May 23, 2025 • 49 mins
Dan Beyer and NBA Veteran Ryan Hollins fill in for Doug and react to the Thunder taking a commanding series lead over the Timberwolves. The guys debate whether or not the Knicks can even the series with the Pacers. Plus, The Athletic's Zach Harper joins the guys to break down how the Pacers keep the magic rolling in the playoffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, will the Garden provide us tonight? And are half
the NBA Finals already set? Just some of the things
we're talking about on a Friday, likely an extended weekend
for many. Welcome man, it is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
He's the NBA vet. Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer sitting
in for Doug. But we're gonna hear Doug's thoughts on
last night's Game two win by the Thunder coming up
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in about twenty minutes or so, plus a look ahead
to tonight's matchup in New York City between the Pacers
and the Knicks. Happy Friday, Ryan Hollins, how are you do?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good brother? Appreciate it?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is this is a fun time. We are hitting
the stretch run of the NBA Playoffs leading up to
the NBA Finals and now the Oklahoma City Thunder are
sitting there up to to oh on the Minnesota Timberwolves
after winning last night in Oklahoma City. I for one
thought the Timberwolves would have something to pay back from
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Game one, and it didn't happen last night, Ryan Hollins,
the Thunder again putting on a run separating themselves from Minnesota,
and now Oklahoma City is just two wins away from
advancing to an NBA Finals. How surprised are you that
the Thunder right now sits too oh up on Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Man, I'm not surprised at all. And the reason that
I'm not surprised it's a horrible matchup. Anthony Edwards is
not to the point in his career where he can
manipulate defenses. The way that Minnesota is set up is
they're more athletic. They're there, They're they're big and tall
and versatile across the board. And though wow, that's norumly
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a recipe for success, you're not gonna out athletic Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City pressure the basketball better than any by we
see in the NBA. And if there is a weakness,
Dan and Dan, you've heard me speak about this. The
weakness is attacking them inside. You can attack inside, you
can hit the boards, you can be physical with them,
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and if you don't have that, you're not going to
be able to beat this group off the bounce. And
it's really contrary to where the NBA is played. So
that's why Nikola Jokic, you know how to field it.
That's why you can argue if Aaron Gordon does it
pull his hamstring, that you know that's Denver possibly advancing.
But this match up right here is horrible from Minnesota
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and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Why doesn't Minnesota at least try to do more. I
feel like when I'm watching them, at least go to
the basket. Ryan Hollins. Last night they are having success,
and it's a point after Game one, when Minnesota shot
fifty one threes heck on this show, Doug said, well,
Oklahoma City wasn't giving that, so the Timberwolves were taking
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what they were given. And I think that plays right
into Oklahoma City's hands. If you're shooting fifty one threes
like they did in Game one, not as many in
last night's loss, I felt that they were a bit
more aggressive. But is it just strictly personnel? Is it
Rudy Gobert's lack of an offensive game, why can't the
Timberwolves take advantage?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well, yes, yes, and yes, And for one, let's dive
in if Rudy go Bear was more dominant, not just
against guys his size, when he's just sees a switch,
when he sees a guy that's smaller, and it doesn't
even have to be a post up. It could be
him rebounding him saying that, hey, you know what, maybe
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I'm not gonna post up, but I'm gonna post up
your guards. You're not gonna switch right now. There is
no fear. And if chet Holmgren can guard Rudy go
Bear or you can't get physical with chet Holmgren, he's
going to dominate. And that's why you see him having
so much more success because off ball, not on ball,
there's a different off ball. He's a spectacular sh blocker.
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And what that does is when you have him out
there blocking shots, hitting threes defensively, Okase really ramps it
up because they know when I pressure the basketball, if
I get beat, I got help behind me. Chets athletic
enough to provide that help. But on ball, if you
attack his lack of strength, that's where he can struggle.
And again, that's why you really see him flourishing in
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this series because of his game of athleticism. He can
cover ground, he can run with the best of them,
and that's why he's playing so much better right there.
And that's something that Minnesota doesn't have. Like you mentioned,
Minnesota's going to beat you by the drive in Oklahoma.
City's incredibly smart. I'll give you this real quick, Dan.
When we had success against him and our guys beat him.
The one thing they did, which is funny, and they
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switch it different. They don't just have an on ball defense.
They have a team defense for everybody. Fred van Vliet.
Whenever Fred jove the basketball, all they did is fan
back out to the Houston Rockets. The reason they did
that is he said, we're going to take the pass
away from Fred, make Fred be a score. We end
up beating him. I think Fred had you know, thirty
five or thirty six points that game. And when Jalen
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Green drove, you saw five and six guys in the paint.
They're so smart. They were playing playoff basketball in the
regular season and picked up where they left off. Remember
with Peyton Manning and the one knock on Peyton Manning.
Everybody would say that Peyton Manning was playing playoff football
in the regular season. That's why he didn't have postseason success.
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So you saw a little bit of that with Oklahoma City.
But nonetheless, man, they're an extremely intelligent defense.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Can you play playoff basketball? Because that was to be
the thing that I would say, like, you can't. You
can't do it until you're actually in that situation. And
I would actually argue, just for the old adage right now,
that the Thunder haven't done anything in this series, for
the simple fact of you know what I'm about to say,
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the series doesn't start until the road team wins a
game in the series, Like that's the adage, right If
when somebody breaks up the home court advantage or the
team with the advantage goes on the road wins a game,
that's when we know that the series could tilt. But
right now, Oklahoma City has done just what they've needed
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to do. I think we're going to see a completely
different story, obviously a different atmosphere Saturday night in Minneapolis.
But I'm just wondering how much the Thunder have accomplished
and if you can really play that playoff basketball in
the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't feel good about it. Dan, And this is why. Okay,
what do we know Anthony Edwards for Dan scoring, scoring,
and but what about his personality?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh yeah, jokester card, the joker. Yeah, free I don't know,
free spirits, maybe the right way to immature, you know,
maybe a little immature.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, but he brings the energy. There's something about him
being himself, kind of the head nodding, the trash talk,
will see you back in a minute. You don't see that.
You don't see the trash talk, the head nod, the
you know, he's not giving you that. And that's why
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I don't feel happy if I'm Minnesota, because it means
going many. They figured something out and they got multiple guys.
They can throw Jaylen Williams, they can throw door at
all NBA first team, you can switch in like Aunt
Carusoe on the basketball. They are dogs and they got
enough to guard him. And you could argue even more so,
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this team was built to guard guys like Anthony Edwards.
They're probably more equipped to guard to Anthony Edwards than
they would be if he was in his prime and
he's older Lebron Okay, even Luka Doncic. You know when
he's really rolling because they're all their guards are his size,
they're quick, they can pressure you, they help, their their
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their help. Dan hear me when I say their help.
Defense is disciplined. So they're frustrating Anthony Edwards in ways
that no other team in the entire NBA, cand possibly
Boston Celtics, can get out and guard Anthony Edwards like that.
But right there, those are the two teams that can
guard him, and he run into one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
This is Minnesota head coach Chris Finch talking about what
is ahead Saturday night in Game three.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Every minute in a series is a chance to find something,
you know. So, uh, we're gonna go back home. This
is a you know, a good team, good team at home.
So we're gonna go home and you know, fight for
game three. I mean, heads up and look at the
table and get ready for Game three.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, So a lot of coaches speak there nothing, nothing shocking,
and you're probably about to hear more of the same
because he's gonna talk about SGA. But there's there's another
level to all of this that I think is brewing.
But here's Chris Finch on Jay gil Just Alexander.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, obviously, you know, Shay's a handful to contain. You know,
he's getting around us to you know, to when there's contact,
he's getting around us, and uh, you know, we gotta
do better job of square on him.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So there's there's there's that version. And then we saw
Jaden McDaniels push Shake gil Just Alexander in the second
half ends up getting a flagrant one.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Here's a bunch from Jade McDaniels on on the follow
last night with SGA. Just soak this in Hollins if
you will.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Was they're just a little frustration boying over how what
what kind of happened?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I just just wanted to found him for I wasn't
even mad it just half thousand yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So so do we have another from Jade McDaniels on
the Okay, all right, so here's here's the funny thing
about this is he's now under their skin, right, I
mean you talk about Anthony Edwards and like, yeah, how
the like we saw a clip of him kind of
throwing the ball at Shake gil Just Alexander in game
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one and now it's the conversation of flopping and I
and I told you the last time we got together
a couple of weeks ago. I'm like, Oklahoma City, they're
gonna be America team because they're a team. They were
the squad that had Kevin Durant leave them, and while
Russell Westbrook tried to stay around and make things work,
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it didn't happen. So they both parted ways, going in
different directions. But here is the rebound. Here is the
comeback story. And I am now starting to wonder Ryan Hollins,
if that comeback story is going to be either foiled
by SGA's antics because it has now become mainstream, or
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if it's going to be a John Stockton sort of thing.
Is it going to be a Boston Celtics Danny Ainge,
Dennis Johnson backcourt. You're like, man, these guys just they
just get under my skin. I get a feeling that
that is what's going to happen, or is starting to
happen with SGA. When I see the Minnesota Timberwolves react
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the way that they do on the grand scheme of things,
I think SGA is now starting to have that reputation.
It is now I'm mainstream topic. But if you have
that reputation, and you're getting Jaden McDaniels to do that,
to make that play at that point and just say,
well I had to follow the give tells me that
SGA is getting under their skin and that is not
a great sign for Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well what's getting more so under their skin is that
Anthony Edwards and McDaniels they're American born. There's a there's
a cultural thing here. They're all black guys. With all
due respect, I don't want to make it a color thing,
but like there's a way culturally. Okay, my Hooper's noticed,
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daniel A Hooper will bring you into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
There's the way you play a long time ago, long
long time ago.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Danny Byers. There's a way that we play on the playground. Okay,
there's some trash talk, there's some head nod, and there's
some you know, I want to fight you, you want to
fight me? You hit me like that again one more time.
Like there's something that incites us American born ball players
that that that goes back to the streets. Okay, that Anthony,
that's why we get excited when we see man talking trash. Right,
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And there's something about Lou Dort and SG as Canadian
ballers that it's like it's and maybe it's just him,
Maybe it's just SGA. Maybe it's just the swag, it's
the smooth tape where you push in you it's nothing
McDaniels tried him. Any other American player, for the most part,
just normally is gonna do what Dan, you push me
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the way that he pushed him. What's gonna happen down
or somebody jumping up? And then it's said, oh the man,
Anthony Edwards wance that you throw the ball at me.
I'm throwing a ball at you. I gotta throw some trash.
Shane's just like, oh cool, cool, got him, all right,
get buckets, swag out. I'm under the skill. Keep playing basketball,
all right. And that's what Dan, I'm telling you, as
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a guy who's been there before. That's frustrating. That's frustrating.
And and and we're playing two different styles of basketball.
To the foul swag out play some defense, you know,
running a score up, and that's how ant man gets going.
We've seen it. They're not giving any they're not feeding
into it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's I think I also think, and this is a
conversation we're gonna have Doug Gottlieb, the host of this show,
normally joined us in about ten minutes. And you chopped
it up with Doug earlier this week, Ryan, and we'll
do the same here coming up in a little bit.
But we were in agreement with Doug throughout the week.
And I don't know how you feel about it, but
that Anthony Edwards, I feel, is it and I think
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that fault while Shake Gildess Alexander has the MVP, got
the MVP. Last night we talked about face of the
League stuff. We talk about MVPs, talk about the next Lebron,
the next Jordan, who is it going to be? SGA
is going to be a great player in this league
for a long long time. But to me, he doesn't
have it, and I feel that Anthony Edwards has it
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to be that guy. And I think that's also what's
getting under his skin is in the flopping and some
of the manipulation and the calls that they get where
you know when a guy is maybe not as good
as you, and I feel that that's how Anthony Edwards
like feels in this situation. And maybe the Turmberwolves, in
reference to their own superstar Field the same way that
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maybe SGA isn't up to the talent level of Anthony Edwards,
but right now SGA is getting the best of him,
and I think that absolutely drives them bonkers. And it's
not only their series and it's a trip to the
NBA Finals, but I think there's that underlying current as
well that if they go head to head, it's almost like, Okay,
Anthony Edwards has talent just you know, flowing out of
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his pores. Not that SGA doesn't, but it's the fact
that SGA is getting the best of them. Now that's
you know, such a such a needle in the side
or a needle in the back, that's just poking them
and they can't get over it. Of course it is,
of course, but do you agree that Edwards is a
better overall player, But right now SGA is getting the
best of them, so it's sticking them off.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Man, Danny Byers, you might be sparkling a Twitter question
right now, San because right now it's it's Shay has
the better team, They have more chemistry as an organization,
they've been tighter. I don't know if you could just
say Anthony Edwards is better. Shit I don't, man, that's
a Twitter question. You've been This is the MVP you
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telling me Anthony Edwards is better than the MVP in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think they, I think they believe that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yes, yeah, I don't know, Danny Byers, don't.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You played a lot more basketball than I did, and
mine was so distant any of the things. You need
a VCR to watch my games? So and I only
played in high school. I don't even know why we're
talking about my career except for the fact of I know.
I know when a player is better than another player,
and it is frustrating when the lesser player, no matter
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how great they are, is getting the best of the
better player. And that may be the fault of Minnesota.
I'm not saying that they may not be at fault
in all of this, but I also think that that's
a bit of this underlying current is they feel SGA
gets away with a lot of stuff. They feel that
he manipulates stuff, and right now they're at home and
getting the calls and maybe Minnesota's I don't know, still
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maybe a bit immature, even though it's their second Western
Conference finals. Maybe there's some of that, but for some reason,
they're getting frustrated. And it may be the fact that
Jade McDaniels just wanted to foul Sga because you wanted
a real foul, because when he went out in game
four or game one with his fourth foul, Oklahoma City
ends up going on a run and then they're late
in this game, and okay, so he's kind of keeping
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them at arms length and you kind of just want
your piece of flesh if you will, or at least
make it count. And I think that I think that's
what's happening, and I think it was a sign of frustration,
like with Minnesota. No matter what Jade McDaniel says afterwards.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, it's it's a Dani said, cheap movement when someone's
playing against you and you might let us lie once
or twice, but like a guy's already good and he
gets by you and he's really good. He's going he's
not like you saw j Brunson do this, And there's
a clip Dan, I don't know if you saw it,
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but he gets by nim Hard and he grabs Nimhrd's arm.
He searches for nim Har, he grabs it, and he
throws nim Hard's arm into his face and then he
throws his head back and it's like yo, bro, really
and if you're nim hard, you're frustrated. Now Shaye gets
by you and if he feels your arm, he's hooking
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that arm into his arm and he's going, he's fouling.
He's grabbing me, and you're you're mad because you're like, bro,
it's not even basketball at this point, Like, go make
a move. You're good. Now if you cross me, you
get by me, boom, hit me, step back, all right, congratulations,
God blessed. But when you do those moves, you feel
like it's not basketball. And that's when we talk about
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the foul baiting. That's the frustration. So those are the
moves that make you irate as a player.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm damn. He is the real player.
I am not get him at the Ryan Hollins. You
can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Now in
his post NBA playing career, Ryan the television analyst for
the Houston Rockets on their TV broadcasts. You can find
him again at the Ryan Hollins. Find me at Dan
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Speaker 2 (18:32):
Doug Gottiba ask the question, how in the world can
the Knicks bounce back tonight from what happened tonights ago.
Welcome in. So we're broadcasting live on this Friday, Memorial
Day weekend. Please, if you have the opportunity, remember why
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Ryan on X at the Ryan Hollins you can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox and I guess, in
part to what Doug Gottlieb said when he joined his
own show with us last hour, there is still this
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feeling of a game one hangover with Pacers Knicks. Ryan
Hollins like there is, there is something still with it.
And I think as basketball observers, you're a former player
in the league, spent a spent a decade in the association.
Your experience is different from mine. I'm curious. Does the
outcome on Wednesday still resonate with you? Are you still
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thinking of how in the world did the Pacers do that?
Or how in the world did the Knicks let that happen?
Does it still resonate two days later?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It does? And especially in New York first time in
a very long time, they're feeling the pressure. There's no
way that you're not. Those guys are human. They want
to play well, they want to, you know, do it
for the city. This is this is new territory or
for this group of New York Knicks, and they've been
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hearing everything about why, you know, why they shouldn't be
in the position. You know, you hear everything that you
can't do, you know you shouldn't do or so you
get it, and there's a million opinions swelling. And when
you're supposed to be the team, because remember New York
is a team that comes back. They were down twenty
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what three times against the something they came back and
the New York Way and all this stuff, and when
you don't do that, that frustration can set in, that
disappointment can set in, and you have to assume that
you absolutely listen. But they absolutely feel the pressure. There's
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no way not to. So the biggest thing they can
do is to give the energy and effort and get
their confidence back. And again we talked earlier with Doug,
the most important quarters right now is the first and
the fourth in this next ball game.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Here's here's the part that I just find tricky for
the Knicks, and I feel that they can rebound from this.
I think it's different from a situation that we saw
in sports within this last calendar year where something happened
and I'm going to get to that in a second,
and I felt that it was early on in the
series and it ended up being over. But the tricky
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part with the Knicks is you talk about first and
fourth quarter. If they come out and are up by
fifteen at the end of one, I still think it's
in their heads. If they're up fifteen in the fourth quarter,
I still think it's in their heads. Kind of like
with even Boston in that game two. When the Knicks,
you mentioned the comebacks that they had in that series,
but we didn't think that it would happen again to Boston, right,
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We're like, oh, it was a fluke, that was something
that was just that just randomly happened. And apparently it
wasn't a fluke. And that's the part with New York
and maybe it's best that they get in this spot
where they're just never going to be comfortable. Like, the
only time that you could be comfortable if you're the Knicks,
especially tonight, is when there are zeros on the clock
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and you have more points than they do. But at
any point in this game, Ryan, I mean, even if
you're down to two minutes left and one minute left,
I got the stats in front of me, fourteen hundred
and thirty four to oh NBA teams who are leading
by nine or more points in the final minute at
nine hundred and ninety four and one teams leading playoff
games by fourteen points in the final two forty five
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in the contest two minutes and forty five seconds. Like,
those things are not going to go away unless there's
double zeros or triple zeros on the clock tonight. And
that's the tricky part that I think with New York
is no matter how well they play and what they
do in the first forty six minutes, if the Pacers
are hanging around, it's still going to be in the
back of your head.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It is, man, and the Pacers are a team that
like they believe it's scary, they believe, they're confident. They
don't know any different. And you know, Dan, you gotta think, man,
they're doing that. Haliburton did that in the garden. All
the stars, all the celebrities, all the hype, all the
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hate mail, everything you feed off of, and this guy
just just went and had a in front of Daddy
Byer in front. Let's set the stage again. We got
everybody pulling for the Knicks. Next Knicks, Knicks. Reggie Miller's
there on the call. You're down, you get the ball,
you have the kahonahs and yes, the Gottlieb said, I said,
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can say cohonahs on Fox Sports Radio. To step back
and not just tie the game, but to go for
the three and then you emotionally stay in it when
you when you didn't hit the three and you still win,
and you just and it's the way they did it.
Then they walked him down it was. It wasn't like
this was an accident. It was like we are the
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better team and they smell blood in the water like Piranhas. Man,
it was scary the way they did it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Okay, do you think the Do you think the Knicks
feel the Pacers are the better team? I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I think they're questioning though, right right. You're a human.
They got to be questioned right now.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I give the Pacers all the credit in the world
for what they have done, what they did last night.
They did this to the Cavaliers, they did it to
the Bucks in closing them out in Game five in Indianapolis.
I give them all the credit in the world. But
if you're in the Knicks, you're saying, if the Halliburton
shot doesn't go down, if Nie Smith just misses one
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of those threes, you got a Game one victory. If
og Ananobi doesn't fumble the basketball underneath the basket and
then it just ends up being a lost ball turnover
and not a foul on Pascal Siakam, you're probably winning
the game. And that's the mindset that I think that
you have to have for the Knicks. And I bring
up the World Series when Freddie Freeman hit the Grand
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Slam against the Yankees in Game one. At that point
I knew it was over. There was no way the
Yankees were going to come back for that, because the
Dodgers were just the better team. There was no bouncing
back from that, and ultimately we saw the Dodgers win
the series. We saw the Yankees blow their own lead
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in that series. It just kind of fell apart. But
in Game one, when Freddie Freeman hit that Grand Slam,
I thought that the series was over with. I do
not feel that way with the Nixon Pacers. I feel
that the Knicks can win tonight. I think that they
have all of the ammunition to go to Indianapolis and
win a game. And I feel that the Pacers in
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a way because they aren't perfect. I think I said
this to you a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't
even sure if they were good, and they've now proven
me completely wrong. I am on the Pacers are good train.
I've left that in the dust. But I do think
that it is still there for New York because the
thing from Game one you can't say is how did
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we blow that? It's you got to say, all right,
if we just do if we do one of the
little things, if we close out, or we grabbed the basketball,
or we're smarter with the basketball, we win. That's how
close we were in winning that game. That's why I
think the Knicks have a shot not only tonight, but
also still in winning this series.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Man. And here's the thing, here's the fairness. You made
a good state And he said, I didn't know the
Pacers were good. You have to see him play. You
gotta understand they wear you down. You gotta respect that
they've been there the last year. Okay, they were a team.
They played in the Eastern Conference finals and they lost
to the Celtics. Okay, and I know the Celtics what
they did to them. The Celtics are really darn good.
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But ultimately, at the end of the day, you know,
they couldn't defend. Early in the year, they had some
horrible I mean, the Pacers had some blowouts. Halla Burton
just looked completely uninterested as a star. And they do
go up and down in their group. That isn't great defensively,
but they're smart. And that's Rick Carlisle. I played for Rick.
(26:53):
Rick is gonna put together a defense that can you know,
play well against you. He's gonna he's gonna make sure
his team is ready at the right time. And at
the end of the day, you knew when Pascal Siakam
went over there, they needed a wing, and they got
a big wing that can go score and kind of
play with the athletes of the NBA, the star athletes,
and I think there's the Pacers are just that. They're
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that team that you don't want to play against. They're
the team that frustrates you. It's not sexy, man, it's not.
You don't have the trash talk of Anthony Edwards, you
don't have the star power of Lebron James, you don't
have the historical value of the New York Knicks. They
are just a Dare I say, like, I don't know
if it's I guess an offensive blue collar team. Do
(27:36):
you get what I'm saying by that? Yea, they played together,
they play the right way. They moved the basketball on
the offensive normally saying that about defense, They're a blue
collar offensive team.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I laid it out in this way of like when
you take each player individually, like Halliburton's is great, but
Halliburton's not twenty eight a game Pascalciaka when he won
the title with the Raptors, was obviously the number two
there in Toronto at the time. Miles turn For as
good as he is, he's always been the guy of
when when is Miles Turner gonna be out of town? Right? Like,
who's is he? When's he gonna be in a Lakers uniform?
(28:07):
Like there's it's it's there is something. There is something
about them where they're they're not top level, but then
they make it all work. TJ. McConnell coming off the bench,
Nie Smith you mentioned earlier Nie Smith had a game
like this against the Bucks, not like that against the Knicks,
but where it was all right, this guy doesn't want
to miss tonight or you know his threes, we're back breakers.
(28:29):
So yeah, so there's there is something. There is something
about them, and I feel the Rick Carlisle point that
he made is is very well put. They're not perfect. Yeah,
there are gaps defensively, but man, they make it work.
They make it work together, No, you know they do.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And again, the thing about hall Burton is that he
can take over. He's got the clutch gene and you
know he's fearless. But when you see him in a
summer earlier this year. It's just unique, man Like, he
makes the right plays and you gotta think he's a
good six' five six, six so you know he can
(29:08):
see over the point guard's. Head he sets a unique. Player.
Man it's a little. Unorthodox he kint it, like he
does it his way and it ain't the, flashiest but he,
dude he makes all the. Plays and if you didn't,
know now you know he can also make all the.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Shots, yeah and that was that was a two point,
game and you talk about making all the. Shots what
is interesting is you saw what he did Against milwaukee
in closing them out In game. Five what he did
was took the ball to the, basket got to the,
basket made a shot with one second, left got Past,
giannis and sent The bucks. Home In game two Against,
cleveland what does he do in a two point? Game steps,
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back hits the three and you're, thinking, okay, well, now
if you're The knicks in a two point game at
the end of, Regulation halliburton has shown in the previous
two rounds he has hit game winners either at the
basket or twenty five feet. Away so what do you,
do right and at one. POINT i don't even know
if halliburtonne what he was doing because when he ran
into the lane and then Saw Mitchell robinson there and, decides,
(30:11):
okay well i'll turn it, back looks at the other
clock and realizes he only has two, seconds but he's
still had the wherewithal to take the shot. OUTSIDE i
don't think anybody. Realized it's, funny like if a guy
hits a game, winner you're, like, well the next, time
we're going to make sure that he doesn't do that.
Again but With halliburton you can't because he's hit game
winners at the basket or from three point range so
(30:31):
far in these. Playoffs AND i think that Made game one. Tricky,
no it's it's a bit of a bit of an.
Enigma feels like an, understatement but, yeah he's they've done it.
All AND i also say this the stats THAT i
THAT i THAT i Mentioned, RYAN i think those stats
are inflated in a. Way and the REASON i say,
(30:53):
that AND i brought this up yesterday on the. Network
if that's The Golden State warriors down fourteen with two
forty five, left what Does Steve kerr? Do steph come
on out and Sit Jimmy, butler come on out and.
Sit you know, What we're gonna wave the. Towel no
point in trying to make this. Comeback we'll just take
(31:14):
this loss and move. On i'm not saying every one
of the nine and ninety four wins that happened in
those situations were because the losing team wave the white.
Flag but WHAT i am saying is The pacers don't
have that. Makeup they have a bunch of young guys
who you're not saving for any, minutes doesn't matter what
(31:37):
the schedule. IS i think that there are teams that
would have just, said all, right we're just gonna move
on To game. Two this one is a. Rap we'll
go and try to Steal game. Two but they don't
have that. Mentality AND i think it's because of the
makeup of the. Team AND i also think it's because
of what they did against The bucks and then what
they did against The. Cavaliers and, now when you're an,
official we talk about ball handling in THE. Nba apparently
(31:58):
it's not atrocious because The pacers are supposing everybody in doing,
so but it is such a unique. Situation BUT i
think part of the reason is you would SEE nba
teams just wave the white flag and quit in those
situations in an irregular season, Game, ryan you AND i
both know that is what's. Happening it could be nine
points with a minute, ago and teams, like all, right we're.
Done you, know we got a back to. Back we
(32:19):
got another one tomorrow. Night AND i feel that those
situations are coming out here in the playoffs and being
magnified by what The pacers have.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Done, now in fairness With Steve, kerr what they ended
up doing, is you, know he called it around the fourth,
quarter but he knew he was in a position and
he was very correct where he knew. That you, know
If curry wasn't you, know he only had so many
miles On Steph, curry And Steph curry probably if you
(32:48):
did the, numbers you know that in that first round
ran more than probably any easily any player in the
first round of the, playoffs you, know because he gets the,
ball he brings it, up then he gets off the,
ball sprints and. Moves So kerr had to rest it
sit his guys in, moments especially Against, houston because he
knew they wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Last they're my most extreme, example but they wouldn't be
the only. Example if you're running a bench with you,
know if you're playing only eight guys and guys are
logging forty. Minutes you think The lakers are trying to
come back from that? Deficit you, know no. Way AND
i don't Know i'm talking of bringing older players into This,
lebron but it's THERE'S i just don't think a lot
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of teams would look at that deficit and be, Like,
okay this is something that we can actually have a shot.
At and now The pacers have done it in basically
three straight, series AND i feel it's one of the
reasons because they don't have to rest, guys they don't
have to sit them, out or they don't have to
think of the long game for. It they can do
it and be. Fine but we'll see if it happens.
(33:48):
Tonight you say first and fourth are. BIG i say
those triple zeros for the next are going to be.
Big that they have more points on the. Board i'll
do this Sticks, no the sticks with them throughout the entire.
Playoffs you cannot. Run there is at no point will
you feel. Safe you May i'll tell you what you
may be taking the ball out of bounds a little
bit slower if you're up under three, minutes because the
(34:10):
clock's gonna tick a little bit. More there are those
sort of things you may not be so fast to inbound.
It if The pacers aren't aren't showing, pressure everything's gonna play.
In it's gonna have lasting. EFFECTS i don't think that
the series is over by any. MEANS i think The
knicks can win a game In. INDIANAPOLIS i think they
can absolutely. Winning they maybe win two games At. Indianapolis
BUT i just think that it's going to be in
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their head that they have to even up. Fifteen you're
gonna be reminded about what happened on wednes, tonight and it's.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Scary you did make a good. Point there are points
where you see the game and you're, like, yeah The
PACs aren't that. Good, okay they're down, fourteen they're down,
twenty and then like they turn it. On they're just
they they're the type of team that's just never out
the game because they wear you. Out And i've seen, it,
man and you look, back My rockets got beat you
(34:59):
know a couple of times like. THAT i think the
year before they came back at one and you, know
kind of get. Hot but when they move to, basketball
they are so hard to. Guard and when that group
hit shots and in the game E smith ends up
getting hot and he hit. Shots THEY i Mean i'm
talking about they just get red. Hot, man flaming red.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Hot He's Ryan, hollins THE NBA. Ed get him at
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On fox as we are in For Doug gottlieb On
The Doug Gottlieb show on This. Friday coming up, Next
Zach harper joins us to talk about THESE nba playoffs
and what could go down tonight In New york and
what needs to go down In minnesota and so much.
More he Is Ryan. Hollands I'm Dan. Byer that's next
(35:40):
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Speaker 1 (35:42):
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Speaker 2 (35:57):
Fsr you've heard him here On Fox Sports, radio hosting
shows also On SIRIUS x and m Mad Dog, radio
but his main gig covering THE nba for The Athletic
Zach harper joins us on This. Friday He's Ryan. Hollins
I'm Dan byer in For Doug. Gottlieb. Zach how are.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You what's, up?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Fellas i'm doing.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
WELL i know you're just down the street from, us
but it's good to catch you up and reflect on
these two playoff series going on right, now let's go
back To. Wednesday There's ryan AND i were just talking
about it as. Well how much of a hangover do
you think The knicks still have from what went down
at The garden In game?
Speaker 5 (36:31):
One, Nah it's so weird to think about because it's
a collapse in which they kind of played, Well like
they scored on seven of their last ten possessions in,
Regulation so it's not like they were throwing the ball
away and couldn't hit shot like it's scoring seven last ten.
Possessions the problem is they just give up a three
every time down the, floor, like so it's not like
it's a, collapse but it's not a total, collapse but
(36:53):
it kind of. Is at the same, TIME i feel
like you can just let that go because they mostly
played well in that. Game AND i got to feel,
like if You're Tom, thibodeau you can focus those guys
because there's a bunch of veterans and you know they
do have you, Know Jile brunson is the most clutch
player in the league this year and everything, LIKE i
feel like you can focus those. Guys BUT i think
the problem is is that if it's a close game,
tonight or they've, got you, know ten point lead with
(37:15):
a few minutes, left And indiana starts getting any kind of,
MOMENTUM i do think you have to worry like that
starts seeping back into their minds of, like, oh now
here we go, again BECAUSE i think you saw that
with The cleveland. Series, NOW i THINK i think The
knicks are tougher mentally than what we've seen From cleveland
in the last couple of. Playoffs but but, man that's
got to be something that's going to be in their
back of the head all season or all series.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
LONG i should, say is it fair of us to
say THAT sga is better Than Anthony edwards or is
it just THAT sga has the better.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Team, WELL i think it's probably, both but ALSO i
mean he's he's three years, three three a half years
older something like he should be, better, Right like he's
still twenty, Three he's still pretty. Young sga has been
doing this a, While he's been working on his craft
a lot long. Longer but BUT i do think he's.
BETTER i do think he's a he's A he's just
he knows how to attack a little bit. Better you
still See, ant you, know a little hesitant with some
(38:09):
of the defensive, looks Whereas shae he seems to be
very comfortable with, whatever you, know whatever they're throwing. Up
it doesn't. Matter the defender doesn't, matter like kind of the,
covers the, zone the junk, defenses the. Doubles shay seems
very comfortable in this series Where. Ant and maybe some
of that is is the ankle, injuries Because ant's turned his,
ankle like it seems like every every fourth, quarter you,
know every three or four, quarters Like ants turned his
(38:29):
ankle in these. Postseasons but you, know maybe that's part
of the. Hesitancy But ant just seems a little. Hesitant
it was better last night he was driving to the.
Basket but it doesn't quite look like what we're used
to with ant in his aggressiveness just all over the,
floor but also LIKE i, mean he does just have
a better, Team like that team's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Ridiculous it's it is, interesting and it's it's. Crazy BECAUSE
I Zach Zach carper joining us here On Fox Sports.
Radio He's Ryan. Hollins I'm dan byer in For Doug.
Gottlieb not going down the thunder road because it's one
of those things when you think about, time like it
just blows your mind and it's too, freaky like to
think of the thunderwind now and everything that they could
have ahead of. THEM i don't even want to think
(39:08):
about in THE. Nba so we're just going to leave
that off to the. Side BUT i look At minnesota
and you talk About Anthony, edwards And ryan AND i
were talking, earlier and my whole point was we talked
about this face of the league, stuff AND i feel
That Anthony edwards's name has been brought up in the,
conversation AND i don't know If SGA's, Has AND i
feel That edwards thinks in the back of his head that,
Hey i'm the real guy, Here i'm the. Talent all
of this this flopping stuff all of this manipulating. Stuff
(39:31):
i'm the real baller. HERE i think it's getting under their.
Skin but WHAT i wonder, now and just in what
you said, there what do we look at With Anthony
edwards if they do bow, out if they end up
getting ousted in five games By Oklahoma city second straight,
year that would, Happen like what does he need to?
Do what do they need to do to change the
series and maybe change the organization if they're going to
(39:54):
bow out again at.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
This, POINT i don't think THEY i, MEAN i don't
know that they need to change the organization two months
if you like you think about, it like This temperwles
team never, Franchised like it doesn't have a lot of success.
Historically right back and back to back conference finals is.
Crazy LIKE i never THOUGHT i grew, up you, know
rooting for The temperleves and. Everything And i've kind of
gotten that out as i've as i've you, know become
(40:17):
a media, member BECAUSE i don't think you should really
really root for this. Stuff but BUT i, LIKE i
grew up watching that AND i spent a lot of,
mays a lot of amazing, dreams like not watching. Basketball
it's my favorite teams like this is pretty, rare and
so you, know this is this is something where they,
like he's he's changed the templeles, completely like this is not.
(40:38):
Normal but at the same, time if this is the
ceiling of this, unit you, KNOW i think some of
that is he will. Grow this isn't the best player
he's going to. Be he is only twenty, three AS i,
said and he's going to get. Better some of that
is going to be. Leaderships some of that is going
to be his. Game some of that's going to be.
Understanding some of that's going to Be they're going to
have to adjust the. Roster and you, KNOW I i
(41:00):
think they have a really good. TEAM i think they
have a really good. APPROACH i also, think you, KNOW
i think the game two they were going to lose
that no matter. WHAT i think they were outclass in game.
TWO i think they should have Won game. ONE i
know the final score doesn't reflect, that but you, know
the first, half they missed a lot of wide open
three pointers that their guys normally, make Like Nasri, Nikkeil Alexander,
(41:20):
Walker Mike, Conley dante Di. Vincenzo they missed a ton
of wide open threes that they're all forty percent shooters
on wide open, threes like you expect them to make them.
SHOTS i think if they make, those especially in the first,
half instead of it being a four point lead going into,
halftime it's like fifteen eighteen, Twenty AND i think that. Matters.
Now Oklahoma city is still going to make their. Run
(41:42):
they're a great, Team they're a great third quarter. Team
but that cushion it changes, things AND i think they
could have withstood it. More you, know it was a
ten point game with five minutes to go in the.
GAME i think they should have Won game. ONE i
think they should, have you, know played better and knocked
those shots. Down game, TWO i think they were going
to get smoked regardless BECAUSE i think Okay see was
just better in that. Game BUT i do think it's
(42:04):
a it's. Weird IT'S i think it's a little closer
than people believe it, is and at the same time
it feels daunting For.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Minnesota should our perception Of Tyrese haliburton change right?
Speaker 5 (42:17):
NOW i, mean he's, like, man this guy brings it right.
One can we please stop the overrated? Thing we gotta,
Stop LIKE i worked for the athletic RIGHT i worked
for the Athletic i'm, LIKE i. DIDN'T i didn't do
any work in this anonymous player's. Pole but if you
think about, it there were ninety players that voted in that,
thing in that in that question of the anonymous player
(42:39):
poles for the for the overrated, question just that question,
alone if he got fourteen percent of, vote it's thirteen.
Players it's just thirteen players in the. Lead we got
to stop doing. THAT i know they're using a, motivation
but we gotta we gotta stop this overrated. Thing like
it's just math at this. Point But tyresee is, man he's, Incredible,
like this.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Guy is so.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Leader he's, LIKE i, mean you look at his his
play since Since january. FIRST i want to say he
had like a like a six and a half to
one turnover assist a turnover, ratio something ridiculous like. That
he's basically you, know you you trust him through long
stretches of the season to be a fifty forty ninety.
GUY i, mean he's just he's just such an incredible clutch.
(43:22):
Player you, like you know that that he's he's unfazed
by those big. SHOTS i, mean he's done this a
lot and he runs that team the Way Rick carlisle
wants him. To and they get into you, know they're
down ten, points fifteen points in the fourth, quarter and
and instead of going, LIKE i don't, know, guys maybe next,
time like he's, like all, right let's, go let's let's
let's push the, pace let's get this thing, Going let's
(43:43):
put pressure on, them let's get into the into the.
Paint it's nothing just jacking up a bunch of threes
like they played, Basketball like they get into the paint
and force the defense to do. Things that's all. Him
that's all, him you, know having this team geared around
him like he's he's one of the best point guards
in the. League and maybe people hate, him but you
have to hate him because he's.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Ticking your teams. Butt. YEAH i think there's a lot too.
That Zach harper joining us here On Fox Sports. Radio
i'll find him At Talk. Hoops the poll is the,
Poll LIKE i got into it with somebody ON x
because it's part of the. Conversation AND i think you're, Right,
zach that it ends. UP i think it's a bit
may be the best thing that happened To Tyre's halliburton
or the pers you, know for for how it's, been
(44:21):
but there apparently is a group of people that feel
that he was.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Overrated and And ryan AND i were just talking about.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
IT i, said the amazing thing about What haliburton has
done in these playoffs And i'll get to my question
in a, second is he beats the box on a
shot at the hoop and he and he knocks out
The calves In game two with a twenty five. Footer
so now if you're The nicks in game, one you
have no idea where he's going to go in a
two point game because he's done both in the last
the last couple of. Weeks my whole question is With,
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halliburton is it the team us say stuff because we
saw on how much it played With Jason tatum and
the conversations we. HAD i remember THE Sa bonus Hallib
burton trade and at the time And i'm, thinking, Wow
indiana's got a player Nothing and there was no disrespect To.
Sibonis he's had a great career so far In. Sacramento
but but is it that sort of thing that kind
(45:11):
of lends you to think he's, overrated is because he's
not twenty five a. Game why would that sort of
label come To Tyres halliburton considering what he has.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Accomplished, yeah, WELL i think also like, PLAYERS i don't
know that players don't like. HIM i do know that
there is there does seem to be a perception with
some players where it's the whole thing of like if
they feel he's front running in the sense, of, oh
you start talking trash when you're up, Right, Sure ryan
knows it's like. That players don't like, that, right you
better talk trash when you're.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
BEHIND i thought it's like jump, shot honestly.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
EXACTLY i, thought, like because it's so.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Unorthodox, look the jumpers, weird but it's gold, Right, like,
yeah so you he can kick it up there for
all that. Care the way it goes in like it's
it's pretty. Good but to your point about the way he,
SCORES i, mean it's not just that that bucket at
the end to take the bucks, set like he scored
that On. Yannis he Saw giannis and problems like this
is a layout Like i'm taking you to the rack
(46:05):
And i'm ending your, season and like he's. Fearless AND
i think that plus the trash, talk plus the weird
looking game plus the control he. Has AND i still
think people underestimate This spacers. TEAM i think a lot
of people still think that they beat The calves because of.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
INJURIES i.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
DON'T i think they were.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Better, well let me ask you something About Anthony. Edwards
do you think he can change his play style or
does he need to or is it more of, hey
let's get pieces that fit around.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
HIM i do think he. CAN i do think he.
Can LIKE i think he's still learning decision, making you,
know especially like with different. Coverages like you, know he
changed his play style from last year to this, year
and that he wasn't a very good three point, shooter,
right he was maybe at best league, average and then
he was a pretty special three point shooter this, season
and that was you, know it's more than just a
(46:58):
summer of. Work he's in work on this for a,
while but you really saw you really saw, him you,
know see the results this season being basically a forty
percent three point shooter and leading the league in three pointers.
Made SO i do think he can add to his,
game BUT i think that's mostly going to. Be we
know he can get to the, rack we know he
can shoot. THREES i think some of that's going to
(47:19):
be finding ways to draw more, fouls whether that's going
to be you, know kind of the foul merchant stuff
that that The internet hatesor is going to be you,
know finding more contact at the, rim whatever that. IS
i do think he needs some of that in his.
Game AND i think it's just decision making and. Playmaking
he's a good. Playmaker he could be a great, playmaker
and that will lend itself to making the job easier
(47:41):
because we do see a tendency of him just kind
of dribbling around and he's great at, it and he's
good at just scoring one on, one one on five at,
times but he does have to he's got to involve
his teammates a little bit.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
More, okay we're going to end on this With Zach
carper joining us on The Doug Gottlive show On Fox Sports.
Radio He's Ryan hollins THE. Nba I'm Dan. Byer this
is going way. AHEAD i don't think The timberwolves are
out of. IT i think it's quite an up ill,
climb But i'm not willing to cut them out of.
It but could this be the start of a long
run For Oklahoma? City And i'm talking you, know, title, title,
(48:14):
title considering the ammunition that they, have or is it
a DIFFERENT. NBA i, mean where do you think This
if If Okay seekin gets it, done gets it, done
is it the start of a long run for?
Speaker 5 (48:26):
THEM i don't think it is just because one these
things tend to be shorter than we. Think we thought,
that you, know The heat were going to be this
thing for ten. Years it was. Four you, know The
warriors ruined basketball With Kevin, durant that was three. Years you,
Know denver was had all of a sudden solved the.
League that was a, year and now you know they're
firing coaches three games before the end of the. SEASON
(48:49):
i think the league is made for. PARODY i personally hate.
IT i hate. PARODY i think we should have dynasties
that get built up and then get torn. Down SO
i would love it if you, know The thunder or
whoever hums The. Dynasty BUT i ALSO i think the
league really messed up with this second apron and the
penalties they. HAVE i don't think it should go towards
teams that are players that you. DRAFT i think teams
(49:10):
like The, thunder teams like The, rockets teams like all these.
Teams they are teams like The, pistons teams that have
built with the draft and done the proper things of
evaluating talent and bringing it. IN i don't think that
should count towards the second apron and all this. STUFF
i think you should be rewarded for being smart rather
than penalized because you did a good, job and SO
i think that will eventually affect the thunder and keep
them from. It BUT i don't. Know maybe we finally
(49:32):
get a back to back. Champion if that, happens that
would be great BECAUSE i AGAIN i hate.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Parody and we'll see if this conversation continues into the.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well, will the Garden provide us tonight? And are half
the NBA Finals already set? Just some of the things
we're talking about on a Friday, likely an extended weekend
for many. Welcome man, it is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
He's the NBA vet. Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer sitting
in for Doug. But we're gonna hear Doug's thoughts on
last night's Game two win by the Thunder coming up
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in about twenty minutes or so, plus a look ahead
to tonight's matchup in New York City between the Pacers
and the Knicks. Happy Friday, Ryan Hollins, how are you do?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good brother? Appreciate it?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
This is this is a fun time. We are hitting
the stretch run of the NBA Playoffs leading up to
the NBA Finals and now the Oklahoma City Thunder are
sitting there up to to oh on the Minnesota Timberwolves
after winning last night in Oklahoma City. I for one
thought the Timberwolves would have something to pay back from
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Game one, and it didn't happen last night, Ryan Hollins,
the Thunder again putting on a run separating themselves from Minnesota,
and now Oklahoma City is just two wins away from
advancing to an NBA Finals. How surprised are you that
the Thunder right now sits too oh up on Minnesota?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Man, I'm not surprised at all. And the reason that
I'm not surprised it's a horrible matchup. Anthony Edwards is
not to the point in his career where he can
manipulate defenses. The way that Minnesota is set up is
they're more athletic. They're there, They're they're big and tall
and versatile across the board. And though wow, that's norumly
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a recipe for success, you're not gonna out athletic Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City pressure the basketball better than any by we
see in the NBA. And if there is a weakness,
Dan and Dan, you've heard me speak about this. The
weakness is attacking them inside. You can attack inside, you
can hit the boards, you can be physical with them,
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and if you don't have that, you're not going to
be able to beat this group off the bounce. And
it's really contrary to where the NBA is played. So
that's why Nikola Jokic, you know how to field it.
That's why you can argue if Aaron Gordon does it
pull his hamstring, that you know that's Denver possibly advancing.
But this match up right here is horrible from Minnesota
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and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Why doesn't Minnesota at least try to do more. I
feel like when I'm watching them, at least go to
the basket. Ryan Hollins. Last night they are having success,
and it's a point after Game one, when Minnesota shot
fifty one threes heck on this show, Doug said, well,
Oklahoma City wasn't giving that, so the Timberwolves were taking
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what they were given. And I think that plays right
into Oklahoma City's hands. If you're shooting fifty one threes
like they did in Game one, not as many in
last night's loss, I felt that they were a bit
more aggressive. But is it just strictly personnel? Is it
Rudy Gobert's lack of an offensive game, why can't the
Timberwolves take advantage?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Well, yes, yes, and yes, And for one, let's dive
in if Rudy go Bear was more dominant, not just
against guys his size, when he's just sees a switch,
when he sees a guy that's smaller, and it doesn't
even have to be a post up. It could be
him rebounding him saying that, hey, you know what, maybe
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I'm not gonna post up, but I'm gonna post up
your guards. You're not gonna switch right now. There is
no fear. And if chet Holmgren can guard Rudy go
Bear or you can't get physical with chet Holmgren, he's
going to dominate. And that's why you see him having
so much more success because off ball, not on ball,
there's a different off ball. He's a spectacular sh blocker.
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And what that does is when you have him out
there blocking shots, hitting threes defensively, Okase really ramps it
up because they know when I pressure the basketball, if
I get beat, I got help behind me. Chets athletic
enough to provide that help. But on ball, if you
attack his lack of strength, that's where he can struggle.
And again, that's why you really see him flourishing in
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this series because of his game of athleticism. He can
cover ground, he can run with the best of them,
and that's why he's playing so much better right there.
And that's something that Minnesota doesn't have. Like you mentioned,
Minnesota's going to beat you by the drive in Oklahoma.
City's incredibly smart. I'll give you this real quick, Dan.
When we had success against him and our guys beat him.
The one thing they did, which is funny, and they
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switch it different. They don't just have an on ball defense.
They have a team defense for everybody. Fred van Vliet.
Whenever Fred jove the basketball, all they did is fan
back out to the Houston Rockets. The reason they did
that is he said, we're going to take the pass
away from Fred, make Fred be a score. We end
up beating him. I think Fred had you know, thirty
five or thirty six points that game. And when Jalen
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Green drove, you saw five and six guys in the paint.
They're so smart. They were playing playoff basketball in the
regular season and picked up where they left off. Remember
with Peyton Manning and the one knock on Peyton Manning.
Everybody would say that Peyton Manning was playing playoff football
in the regular season. That's why he didn't have postseason success.
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So you saw a little bit of that with Oklahoma City.
But nonetheless, man, they're an extremely intelligent defense.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Can you play playoff basketball? Because that was to be
the thing that I would say, like, you can't. You
can't do it until you're actually in that situation. And
I would actually argue, just for the old adage right now,
that the Thunder haven't done anything in this series, for
the simple fact of you know what I'm about to say,
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the series doesn't start until the road team wins a
game in the series, Like that's the adage, right If
when somebody breaks up the home court advantage or the
team with the advantage goes on the road wins a game,
that's when we know that the series could tilt. But
right now, Oklahoma City has done just what they've needed
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to do. I think we're going to see a completely
different story, obviously a different atmosphere Saturday night in Minneapolis.
But I'm just wondering how much the Thunder have accomplished
and if you can really play that playoff basketball in
the regular season.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
I don't feel good about it. Dan, And this is why. Okay,
what do we know Anthony Edwards for Dan scoring, scoring,
and but what about his personality?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh yeah, jokester card, the joker. Yeah, free I don't know,
free spirits, maybe the right way to immature, you know,
maybe a little immature.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, but he brings the energy. There's something about him
being himself, kind of the head nodding, the trash talk,
will see you back in a minute. You don't see that.
You don't see the trash talk, the head nod, the
you know, he's not giving you that. And that's why
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I don't feel happy if I'm Minnesota, because it means
going many. They figured something out and they got multiple guys.
They can throw Jaylen Williams, they can throw door at
all NBA first team, you can switch in like Aunt
Carusoe on the basketball. They are dogs and they got
enough to guard him. And you could argue even more so,
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this team was built to guard guys like Anthony Edwards.
They're probably more equipped to guard to Anthony Edwards than
they would be if he was in his prime and
he's older Lebron Okay, even Luka Doncic. You know when
he's really rolling because they're all their guards are his size,
they're quick, they can pressure you, they help, their their
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their help. Dan hear me when I say their help.
Defense is disciplined. So they're frustrating Anthony Edwards in ways
that no other team in the entire NBA, cand possibly
Boston Celtics, can get out and guard Anthony Edwards like that.
But right there, those are the two teams that can
guard him, and he run into one of them.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
This is Minnesota head coach Chris Finch talking about what
is ahead Saturday night in Game three.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Every minute in a series is a chance to find something,
you know. So, uh, we're gonna go back home. This
is a you know, a good team, good team at home.
So we're gonna go home and you know, fight for
game three. I mean, heads up and look at the
table and get ready for Game three.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Okay, So a lot of coaches speak there nothing, nothing shocking,
and you're probably about to hear more of the same
because he's gonna talk about SGA. But there's there's another
level to all of this that I think is brewing.
But here's Chris Finch on Jay gil Just Alexander.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, obviously, you know, Shay's a handful to contain. You know,
he's getting around us to you know, to when there's contact,
he's getting around us, and uh, you know, we gotta
do better job of square on him.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So there's there's there's that version. And then we saw
Jaden McDaniels push Shake gil Just Alexander in the second
half ends up getting a flagrant one.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Here's a bunch from Jade McDaniels on on the follow
last night with SGA. Just soak this in Hollins if
you will.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Was they're just a little frustration boying over how what
what kind of happened?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I just just wanted to found him for I wasn't
even mad it just half thousand yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So so do we have another from Jade McDaniels on
the Okay, all right, so here's here's the funny thing
about this is he's now under their skin, right, I
mean you talk about Anthony Edwards and like, yeah, how
the like we saw a clip of him kind of
throwing the ball at Shake gil Just Alexander in game
(09:49):
one and now it's the conversation of flopping and I
and I told you the last time we got together
a couple of weeks ago. I'm like, Oklahoma City, they're
gonna be America team because they're a team. They were
the squad that had Kevin Durant leave them, and while
Russell Westbrook tried to stay around and make things work,
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it didn't happen. So they both parted ways, going in
different directions. But here is the rebound. Here is the
comeback story. And I am now starting to wonder Ryan Hollins,
if that comeback story is going to be either foiled
by SGA's antics because it has now become mainstream, or
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if it's going to be a John Stockton sort of thing.
Is it going to be a Boston Celtics Danny Ainge,
Dennis Johnson backcourt. You're like, man, these guys just they
just get under my skin. I get a feeling that
that is what's going to happen, or is starting to
happen with SGA. When I see the Minnesota Timberwolves react
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the way that they do on the grand scheme of things,
I think SGA is now starting to have that reputation.
It is now I'm mainstream topic. But if you have
that reputation, and you're getting Jaden McDaniels to do that,
to make that play at that point and just say,
well I had to follow the give tells me that
SGA is getting under their skin and that is not
a great sign for Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well what's getting more so under their skin is that
Anthony Edwards and McDaniels they're American born. There's a there's
a cultural thing here. They're all black guys. With all
due respect, I don't want to make it a color thing,
but like there's a way culturally. Okay, my Hooper's noticed,
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daniel A Hooper will bring you into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
There's the way you play a long time ago, long
long time ago.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Danny Byers. There's a way that we play on the playground. Okay,
there's some trash talk, there's some head nod, and there's
some you know, I want to fight you, you want to
fight me? You hit me like that again one more time.
Like there's something that incites us American born ball players
that that that goes back to the streets. Okay, that Anthony,
that's why we get excited when we see man talking trash. Right,
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And there's something about Lou Dort and SG as Canadian
ballers that it's like it's and maybe it's just him,
Maybe it's just SGA. Maybe it's just the swag, it's
the smooth tape where you push in you it's nothing
McDaniels tried him. Any other American player, for the most part,
just normally is gonna do what Dan, you push me
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the way that he pushed him. What's gonna happen down
or somebody jumping up? And then it's said, oh the man,
Anthony Edwards wance that you throw the ball at me.
I'm throwing a ball at you. I gotta throw some trash.
Shane's just like, oh cool, cool, got him, all right,
get buckets, swag out. I'm under the skill. Keep playing basketball,
all right. And that's what Dan, I'm telling you, as
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a guy who's been there before. That's frustrating. That's frustrating.
And and and we're playing two different styles of basketball.
To the foul swag out play some defense, you know,
running a score up, and that's how ant man gets going.
We've seen it. They're not giving any they're not feeding
into it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It's I think I also think, and this is a
conversation we're gonna have Doug Gottlieb, the host of this show,
normally joined us in about ten minutes. And you chopped
it up with Doug earlier this week, Ryan, and we'll
do the same here coming up in a little bit.
But we were in agreement with Doug throughout the week.
And I don't know how you feel about it, but
that Anthony Edwards, I feel, is it and I think
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that fault while Shake Gildess Alexander has the MVP, got
the MVP. Last night we talked about face of the
League stuff. We talk about MVPs, talk about the next Lebron,
the next Jordan, who is it going to be? SGA
is going to be a great player in this league
for a long long time. But to me, he doesn't
have it, and I feel that Anthony Edwards has it
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to be that guy. And I think that's also what's
getting under his skin is in the flopping and some
of the manipulation and the calls that they get where
you know when a guy is maybe not as good
as you, and I feel that that's how Anthony Edwards
like feels in this situation. And maybe the Turmberwolves, in
reference to their own superstar Field the same way that
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maybe SGA isn't up to the talent level of Anthony Edwards,
but right now SGA is getting the best of him,
and I think that absolutely drives them bonkers. And it's
not only their series and it's a trip to the
NBA Finals, but I think there's that underlying current as
well that if they go head to head, it's almost like, Okay,
Anthony Edwards has talent just you know, flowing out of
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his pores. Not that SGA doesn't, but it's the fact
that SGA is getting the best of them. Now that's
you know, such a such a needle in the side
or a needle in the back, that's just poking them
and they can't get over it. Of course it is,
of course, but do you agree that Edwards is a
better overall player, But right now SGA is getting the
best of them, so it's sticking them off.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Man, Danny Byers, you might be sparkling a Twitter question
right now, San because right now it's it's Shay has
the better team, They have more chemistry as an organization,
they've been tighter. I don't know if you could just
say Anthony Edwards is better. Shit I don't, man, that's
a Twitter question. You've been This is the MVP you
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telling me Anthony Edwards is better than the MVP in
the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I think they, I think they believe that.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yes, yeah, I don't know, Danny Byers, don't.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
You played a lot more basketball than I did, and
mine was so distant any of the things. You need
a VCR to watch my games? So and I only
played in high school. I don't even know why we're
talking about my career except for the fact of I know.
I know when a player is better than another player,
and it is frustrating when the lesser player, no matter
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how great they are, is getting the best of the
better player. And that may be the fault of Minnesota.
I'm not saying that they may not be at fault
in all of this, but I also think that that's
a bit of this underlying current is they feel SGA
gets away with a lot of stuff. They feel that
he manipulates stuff, and right now they're at home and
getting the calls and maybe Minnesota's I don't know, still
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maybe a bit immature, even though it's their second Western
Conference finals. Maybe there's some of that, but for some reason,
they're getting frustrated. And it may be the fact that
Jade McDaniels just wanted to foul Sga because you wanted
a real foul, because when he went out in game
four or game one with his fourth foul, Oklahoma City
ends up going on a run and then they're late
in this game, and okay, so he's kind of keeping
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them at arms length and you kind of just want
your piece of flesh if you will, or at least
make it count. And I think that I think that's
what's happening, and I think it was a sign of frustration,
like with Minnesota. No matter what Jade McDaniel says afterwards.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, it's it's a Dani said, cheap movement when someone's
playing against you and you might let us lie once
or twice, but like a guy's already good and he
gets by you and he's really good. He's going he's
not like you saw j Brunson do this, And there's
a clip Dan, I don't know if you saw it,
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but he gets by nim Hard and he grabs Nimhrd's arm.
He searches for nim Har, he grabs it, and he
throws nim Hard's arm into his face and then he
throws his head back and it's like yo, bro, really
and if you're nim hard, you're frustrated. Now Shaye gets
by you and if he feels your arm, he's hooking
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that arm into his arm and he's going, he's fouling.
He's grabbing me, and you're you're mad because you're like, bro,
it's not even basketball at this point, Like, go make
a move. You're good. Now if you cross me, you
get by me, boom, hit me, step back, all right, congratulations,
God blessed. But when you do those moves, you feel
like it's not basketball. And that's when we talk about
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the foul baiting. That's the frustration. So those are the
moves that make you irate as a player.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm damn. He is the real player.
I am not get him at the Ryan Hollins. You
can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Now in
his post NBA playing career, Ryan the television analyst for
the Houston Rockets on their TV broadcasts. You can find
him again at the Ryan Hollins. Find me at Dan
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Speaker 2 (18:32):
Doug Gottiba ask the question, how in the world can
the Knicks bounce back tonight from what happened tonights ago.
Welcome in. So we're broadcasting live on this Friday, Memorial
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Ryan on X at the Ryan Hollins you can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox and I guess, in
part to what Doug Gottlieb said when he joined his
own show with us last hour, there is still this
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feeling of a game one hangover with Pacers Knicks. Ryan
Hollins like there is, there is something still with it.
And I think as basketball observers, you're a former player
in the league, spent a spent a decade in the association.
Your experience is different from mine. I'm curious. Does the
outcome on Wednesday still resonate with you? Are you still
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thinking of how in the world did the Pacers do that?
Or how in the world did the Knicks let that happen?
Does it still resonate two days later?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
It does? And especially in New York first time in
a very long time, they're feeling the pressure. There's no
way that you're not. Those guys are human. They want
to play well, they want to, you know, do it
for the city. This is this is new territory or
for this group of New York Knicks, and they've been
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hearing everything about why, you know, why they shouldn't be
in the position. You know, you hear everything that you
can't do, you know you shouldn't do or so you
get it, and there's a million opinions swelling. And when
you're supposed to be the team, because remember New York
is a team that comes back. They were down twenty
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what three times against the something they came back and
the New York Way and all this stuff, and when
you don't do that, that frustration can set in, that
disappointment can set in, and you have to assume that
you absolutely listen. But they absolutely feel the pressure. There's
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no way not to. So the biggest thing they can
do is to give the energy and effort and get
their confidence back. And again we talked earlier with Doug,
the most important quarters right now is the first and
the fourth in this next ball game.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Here's here's the part that I just find tricky for
the Knicks, and I feel that they can rebound from this.
I think it's different from a situation that we saw
in sports within this last calendar year where something happened
and I'm going to get to that in a second,
and I felt that it was early on in the
series and it ended up being over. But the tricky
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part with the Knicks is you talk about first and
fourth quarter. If they come out and are up by
fifteen at the end of one, I still think it's
in their heads. If they're up fifteen in the fourth quarter,
I still think it's in their heads. Kind of like
with even Boston in that game two. When the Knicks,
you mentioned the comebacks that they had in that series,
but we didn't think that it would happen again to Boston, right,
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We're like, oh, it was a fluke, that was something
that was just that just randomly happened. And apparently it
wasn't a fluke. And that's the part with New York
and maybe it's best that they get in this spot
where they're just never going to be comfortable. Like, the
only time that you could be comfortable if you're the Knicks,
especially tonight, is when there are zeros on the clock
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and you have more points than they do. But at
any point in this game, Ryan, I mean, even if
you're down to two minutes left and one minute left,
I got the stats in front of me, fourteen hundred
and thirty four to oh NBA teams who are leading
by nine or more points in the final minute at
nine hundred and ninety four and one teams leading playoff
games by fourteen points in the final two forty five
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in the contest two minutes and forty five seconds. Like,
those things are not going to go away unless there's
double zeros or triple zeros on the clock tonight. And
that's the tricky part that I think with New York
is no matter how well they play and what they
do in the first forty six minutes, if the Pacers
are hanging around, it's still going to be in the
back of your head.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
It is, man, and the Pacers are a team that
like they believe it's scary, they believe, they're confident. They
don't know any different. And you know, Dan, you gotta think, man,
they're doing that. Haliburton did that in the garden. All
the stars, all the celebrities, all the hype, all the
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hate mail, everything you feed off of, and this guy
just just went and had a in front of Daddy
Byer in front. Let's set the stage again. We got
everybody pulling for the Knicks. Next Knicks, Knicks. Reggie Miller's
there on the call. You're down, you get the ball,
you have the kahonahs and yes, the Gottlieb said, I said,
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can say cohonahs on Fox Sports Radio. To step back
and not just tie the game, but to go for
the three and then you emotionally stay in it when
you when you didn't hit the three and you still win,
and you just and it's the way they did it.
Then they walked him down it was. It wasn't like
this was an accident. It was like we are the
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better team and they smell blood in the water like Piranhas. Man,
it was scary the way they did it.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Okay, do you think the Do you think the Knicks
feel the Pacers are the better team? I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
I think they're questioning though, right right. You're a human.
They got to be questioned right now.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I give the Pacers all the credit in the world
for what they have done, what they did last night.
They did this to the Cavaliers, they did it to
the Bucks in closing them out in Game five in Indianapolis.
I give them all the credit in the world. But
if you're in the Knicks, you're saying, if the Halliburton
shot doesn't go down, if Nie Smith just misses one
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of those threes, you got a Game one victory. If
og Ananobi doesn't fumble the basketball underneath the basket and
then it just ends up being a lost ball turnover
and not a foul on Pascal Siakam, you're probably winning
the game. And that's the mindset that I think that
you have to have for the Knicks. And I bring
up the World Series when Freddie Freeman hit the Grand
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Slam against the Yankees in Game one. At that point
I knew it was over. There was no way the
Yankees were going to come back for that, because the
Dodgers were just the better team. There was no bouncing
back from that, and ultimately we saw the Dodgers win
the series. We saw the Yankees blow their own lead
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in that series. It just kind of fell apart. But
in Game one, when Freddie Freeman hit that Grand Slam,
I thought that the series was over with. I do
not feel that way with the Nixon Pacers. I feel
that the Knicks can win tonight. I think that they
have all of the ammunition to go to Indianapolis and
win a game. And I feel that the Pacers in
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a way because they aren't perfect. I think I said
this to you a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't
even sure if they were good, and they've now proven
me completely wrong. I am on the Pacers are good train.
I've left that in the dust. But I do think
that it is still there for New York because the
thing from Game one you can't say is how did
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we blow that? It's you got to say, all right,
if we just do if we do one of the
little things, if we close out, or we grabbed the basketball,
or we're smarter with the basketball, we win. That's how
close we were in winning that game. That's why I
think the Knicks have a shot not only tonight, but
also still in winning this series.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Man. And here's the thing, here's the fairness. You made
a good state And he said, I didn't know the
Pacers were good. You have to see him play. You
gotta understand they wear you down. You gotta respect that
they've been there the last year. Okay, they were a team.
They played in the Eastern Conference finals and they lost
to the Celtics. Okay, and I know the Celtics what
they did to them. The Celtics are really darn good.
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But ultimately, at the end of the day, you know,
they couldn't defend. Early in the year, they had some
horrible I mean, the Pacers had some blowouts. Halla Burton
just looked completely uninterested as a star. And they do
go up and down in their group. That isn't great defensively,
but they're smart. And that's Rick Carlisle. I played for Rick.
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Rick is gonna put together a defense that can you know,
play well against you. He's gonna he's gonna make sure
his team is ready at the right time. And at
the end of the day, you knew when Pascal Siakam
went over there, they needed a wing, and they got
a big wing that can go score and kind of
play with the athletes of the NBA, the star athletes,
and I think there's the Pacers are just that. They're
(27:16):
that team that you don't want to play against. They're
the team that frustrates you. It's not sexy, man, it's not.
You don't have the trash talk of Anthony Edwards, you
don't have the star power of Lebron James, you don't
have the historical value of the New York Knicks. They
are just a Dare I say, like, I don't know
if it's I guess an offensive blue collar team. Do
(27:36):
you get what I'm saying by that? Yea, they played together,
they play the right way. They moved the basketball on
the offensive normally saying that about defense, They're a blue
collar offensive team.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I laid it out in this way of like when
you take each player individually, like Halliburton's is great, but
Halliburton's not twenty eight a game Pascalciaka when he won
the title with the Raptors, was obviously the number two
there in Toronto at the time. Miles turn For as
good as he is, he's always been the guy of
when when is Miles Turner gonna be out of town? Right? Like,
who's is he? When's he gonna be in a Lakers uniform?
(28:07):
Like there's it's it's there is something. There is something
about them where they're they're not top level, but then
they make it all work. TJ. McConnell coming off the bench,
Nie Smith you mentioned earlier Nie Smith had a game
like this against the Bucks, not like that against the Knicks,
but where it was all right, this guy doesn't want
to miss tonight or you know his threes, we're back breakers.
(28:29):
So yeah, so there's there is something. There is something
about them, and I feel the Rick Carlisle point that
he made is is very well put. They're not perfect. Yeah,
there are gaps defensively, but man, they make it work.
They make it work together, No, you know they do.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And again, the thing about hall Burton is that he
can take over. He's got the clutch gene and you
know he's fearless. But when you see him in a
summer earlier this year. It's just unique, man Like, he
makes the right plays and you gotta think he's a
good six' five six, six so you know he can
(29:08):
see over the point guard's. Head he sets a unique. Player.
Man it's a little. Unorthodox he kint it, like he
does it his way and it ain't the, flashiest but he,
dude he makes all the. Plays and if you didn't,
know now you know he can also make all the.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Shots, yeah and that was that was a two point,
game and you talk about making all the. Shots what
is interesting is you saw what he did Against milwaukee
in closing them out In game. Five what he did
was took the ball to the, basket got to the,
basket made a shot with one second, left got Past,
giannis and sent The bucks. Home In game two Against,
cleveland what does he do in a two point? Game steps,
(29:48):
back hits the three and you're, thinking, okay, well, now
if you're The knicks in a two point game at
the end of, Regulation halliburton has shown in the previous
two rounds he has hit game winners either at the
basket or twenty five feet. Away so what do you,
do right and at one. POINT i don't even know
if halliburtonne what he was doing because when he ran
into the lane and then Saw Mitchell robinson there and, decides,
(30:11):
okay well i'll turn it, back looks at the other
clock and realizes he only has two, seconds but he's
still had the wherewithal to take the shot. OUTSIDE i
don't think anybody. Realized it's, funny like if a guy
hits a game, winner you're, like, well the next, time
we're going to make sure that he doesn't do that.
Again but With halliburton you can't because he's hit game
winners at the basket or from three point range so
(30:31):
far in these. Playoffs AND i think that Made game one. Tricky,
no it's it's a bit of a bit of an.
Enigma feels like an, understatement but, yeah he's they've done it.
All AND i also say this the stats THAT i
THAT i THAT i Mentioned, RYAN i think those stats
are inflated in a. Way and the REASON i say,
(30:53):
that AND i brought this up yesterday on the. Network
if that's The Golden State warriors down fourteen with two
forty five, left what Does Steve kerr? Do steph come
on out and Sit Jimmy, butler come on out and.
Sit you know, What we're gonna wave the. Towel no
point in trying to make this. Comeback we'll just take
(31:14):
this loss and move. On i'm not saying every one
of the nine and ninety four wins that happened in
those situations were because the losing team wave the white.
Flag but WHAT i am saying is The pacers don't
have that. Makeup they have a bunch of young guys
who you're not saving for any, minutes doesn't matter what
(31:37):
the schedule. IS i think that there are teams that
would have just, said all, right we're just gonna move
on To game. Two this one is a. Rap we'll
go and try to Steal game. Two but they don't
have that. Mentality AND i think it's because of the
makeup of the. Team AND i also think it's because
of what they did against The bucks and then what
they did against The. Cavaliers and, now when you're an,
official we talk about ball handling in THE. Nba apparently
(31:58):
it's not atrocious because The pacers are supposing everybody in doing,
so but it is such a unique. Situation BUT i
think part of the reason is you would SEE nba
teams just wave the white flag and quit in those
situations in an irregular season, Game, ryan you AND i
both know that is what's. Happening it could be nine
points with a minute, ago and teams, like all, right we're.
Done you, know we got a back to. Back we
(32:19):
got another one tomorrow. Night AND i feel that those
situations are coming out here in the playoffs and being
magnified by what The pacers have.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Done, now in fairness With Steve, kerr what they ended
up doing, is you, know he called it around the fourth,
quarter but he knew he was in a position and
he was very correct where he knew. That you, know
If curry wasn't you, know he only had so many
miles On Steph, curry And Steph curry probably if you
(32:48):
did the, numbers you know that in that first round
ran more than probably any easily any player in the
first round of the, playoffs you, know because he gets the,
ball he brings it, up then he gets off the,
ball sprints and. Moves So kerr had to rest it
sit his guys in, moments especially Against, houston because he
knew they wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Last they're my most extreme, example but they wouldn't be
the only. Example if you're running a bench with you,
know if you're playing only eight guys and guys are
logging forty. Minutes you think The lakers are trying to
come back from that? Deficit you, know no. Way AND
i don't Know i'm talking of bringing older players into This,
lebron but it's THERE'S i just don't think a lot
(33:27):
of teams would look at that deficit and be, Like,
okay this is something that we can actually have a shot.
At and now The pacers have done it in basically
three straight, series AND i feel it's one of the
reasons because they don't have to rest, guys they don't
have to sit them, out or they don't have to
think of the long game for. It they can do
it and be. Fine but we'll see if it happens.
(33:48):
Tonight you say first and fourth are. BIG i say
those triple zeros for the next are going to be.
Big that they have more points on the. Board i'll
do this Sticks, no the sticks with them throughout the entire.
Playoffs you cannot. Run there is at no point will
you feel. Safe you May i'll tell you what you
may be taking the ball out of bounds a little
bit slower if you're up under three, minutes because the
(34:10):
clock's gonna tick a little bit. More there are those
sort of things you may not be so fast to inbound.
It if The pacers aren't aren't showing, pressure everything's gonna play.
In it's gonna have lasting. EFFECTS i don't think that
the series is over by any. MEANS i think The
knicks can win a game In. INDIANAPOLIS i think they
can absolutely. Winning they maybe win two games At. Indianapolis
BUT i just think that it's going to be in
(34:30):
their head that they have to even up. Fifteen you're
gonna be reminded about what happened on wednes, tonight and it's.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Scary you did make a good. Point there are points
where you see the game and you're, like, yeah The
PACs aren't that. Good, okay they're down, fourteen they're down,
twenty and then like they turn it. On they're just
they they're the type of team that's just never out
the game because they wear you. Out And i've seen, it,
man and you look, back My rockets got beat you
(34:59):
know a couple of times like. THAT i think the
year before they came back at one and you, know
kind of get. Hot but when they move to, basketball
they are so hard to. Guard and when that group
hit shots and in the game E smith ends up
getting hot and he hit. Shots THEY i Mean i'm
talking about they just get red. Hot, man flaming red.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Hot He's Ryan, hollins THE NBA. Ed get him at
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On fox as we are in For Doug gottlieb On
The Doug Gottlieb show on This. Friday coming up, Next
Zach harper joins us to talk about THESE nba playoffs
and what could go down tonight In New york and
what needs to go down In minnesota and so much.
More he Is Ryan. Hollands I'm Dan. Byer that's next
(35:40):
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Speaker 1 (35:42):
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Speaker 2 (35:57):
Fsr you've heard him here On Fox Sports, radio hosting
shows also On SIRIUS x and m Mad Dog, radio
but his main gig covering THE nba for The Athletic
Zach harper joins us on This. Friday He's Ryan. Hollins
I'm Dan byer in For Doug. Gottlieb. Zach how are.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
You what's, up?
Speaker 5 (36:13):
Fellas i'm doing.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
WELL i know you're just down the street from, us
but it's good to catch you up and reflect on
these two playoff series going on right, now let's go
back To. Wednesday There's ryan AND i were just talking
about it as. Well how much of a hangover do
you think The knicks still have from what went down
at The garden In game?
Speaker 5 (36:31):
One, Nah it's so weird to think about because it's
a collapse in which they kind of played, Well like
they scored on seven of their last ten possessions in,
Regulation so it's not like they were throwing the ball
away and couldn't hit shot like it's scoring seven last ten.
Possessions the problem is they just give up a three
every time down the, floor, like so it's not like
it's a, collapse but it's not a total, collapse but
(36:53):
it kind of. Is at the same, TIME i feel
like you can just let that go because they mostly
played well in that. Game AND i got to feel,
like if You're Tom, thibodeau you can focus those guys
because there's a bunch of veterans and you know they
do have you, Know Jile brunson is the most clutch
player in the league this year and everything, LIKE i
feel like you can focus those. Guys BUT i think
the problem is is that if it's a close game,
tonight or they've, got you, know ten point lead with
(37:15):
a few minutes, left And indiana starts getting any kind of,
MOMENTUM i do think you have to worry like that
starts seeping back into their minds of, like, oh now
here we go, again BECAUSE i think you saw that
with The cleveland. Series, NOW i THINK i think The
knicks are tougher mentally than what we've seen From cleveland
in the last couple of. Playoffs but but, man that's
got to be something that's going to be in their
back of the head all season or all series.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
LONG i should, say is it fair of us to
say THAT sga is better Than Anthony edwards or is
it just THAT sga has the better.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Team, WELL i think it's probably, both but ALSO i
mean he's he's three years, three three a half years
older something like he should be, better, Right like he's
still twenty, Three he's still pretty. Young sga has been
doing this a, While he's been working on his craft
a lot long. Longer but BUT i do think he's.
BETTER i do think he's a he's A he's just
he knows how to attack a little bit. Better you
still See, ant you, know a little hesitant with some
(38:09):
of the defensive, looks Whereas shae he seems to be
very comfortable with, whatever you, know whatever they're throwing. Up
it doesn't. Matter the defender doesn't, matter like kind of the,
covers the, zone the junk, defenses the. Doubles shay seems
very comfortable in this series Where. Ant and maybe some
of that is is the ankle, injuries Because ant's turned his,
ankle like it seems like every every fourth, quarter you,
know every three or four, quarters Like ants turned his
(38:29):
ankle in these. Postseasons but you, know maybe that's part
of the. Hesitancy But ant just seems a little. Hesitant
it was better last night he was driving to the.
Basket but it doesn't quite look like what we're used
to with ant in his aggressiveness just all over the,
floor but also LIKE i, mean he does just have
a better, Team like that team's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Ridiculous it's it is, interesting and it's it's. Crazy BECAUSE
I Zach Zach carper joining us here On Fox Sports.
Radio He's Ryan. Hollins I'm dan byer in For Doug.
Gottlieb not going down the thunder road because it's one
of those things when you think about, time like it
just blows your mind and it's too, freaky like to
think of the thunderwind now and everything that they could
have ahead of. THEM i don't even want to think
(39:08):
about in THE. Nba so we're just going to leave
that off to the. Side BUT i look At minnesota
and you talk About Anthony, edwards And ryan AND i
were talking, earlier and my whole point was we talked
about this face of the league, stuff AND i feel
That Anthony edwards's name has been brought up in the,
conversation AND i don't know If SGA's, Has AND i
feel That edwards thinks in the back of his head that,
Hey i'm the real guy, Here i'm the. Talent all
of this this flopping stuff all of this manipulating. Stuff
(39:31):
i'm the real baller. HERE i think it's getting under their.
Skin but WHAT i wonder, now and just in what
you said, there what do we look at With Anthony
edwards if they do bow, out if they end up
getting ousted in five games By Oklahoma city second straight,
year that would, Happen like what does he need to?
Do what do they need to do to change the
series and maybe change the organization if they're going to
(39:54):
bow out again at.
Speaker 5 (39:55):
This, POINT i don't think THEY i, MEAN i don't
know that they need to change the organization two months
if you like you think about, it like This temperwles
team never, Franchised like it doesn't have a lot of success.
Historically right back and back to back conference finals is.
Crazy LIKE i never THOUGHT i grew, up you, know
rooting for The temperleves and. Everything And i've kind of
gotten that out as i've as i've you, know become
(40:17):
a media, member BECAUSE i don't think you should really
really root for this. Stuff but BUT i, LIKE i
grew up watching that AND i spent a lot of,
mays a lot of amazing, dreams like not watching. Basketball
it's my favorite teams like this is pretty, rare and
so you, know this is this is something where they,
like he's he's changed the templeles, completely like this is not.
(40:38):
Normal but at the same, time if this is the
ceiling of this, unit you, KNOW i think some of
that is he will. Grow this isn't the best player
he's going to. Be he is only twenty, three AS i,
said and he's going to get. Better some of that
is going to be. Leaderships some of that is going
to be his. Game some of that's going to be.
Understanding some of that's going to Be they're going to
have to adjust the. Roster and you, KNOW I i
(41:00):
think they have a really good. TEAM i think they
have a really good. APPROACH i also, think you, KNOW
i think the game two they were going to lose
that no matter. WHAT i think they were outclass in game.
TWO i think they should have Won game. ONE i
know the final score doesn't reflect, that but you, know
the first, half they missed a lot of wide open
three pointers that their guys normally, make Like Nasri, Nikkeil Alexander,
(41:20):
Walker Mike, Conley dante Di. Vincenzo they missed a ton
of wide open threes that they're all forty percent shooters
on wide open, threes like you expect them to make them.
SHOTS i think if they make, those especially in the first,
half instead of it being a four point lead going into,
halftime it's like fifteen eighteen, Twenty AND i think that. Matters.
Now Oklahoma city is still going to make their. Run
(41:42):
they're a great, Team they're a great third quarter. Team
but that cushion it changes, things AND i think they
could have withstood it. More you, know it was a
ten point game with five minutes to go in the.
GAME i think they should have Won game. ONE i
think they should, have you, know played better and knocked
those shots. Down game, TWO i think they were going
to get smoked regardless BECAUSE i think Okay see was
just better in that. Game BUT i do think it's
(42:04):
a it's. Weird IT'S i think it's a little closer
than people believe it, is and at the same time
it feels daunting For.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Minnesota should our perception Of Tyrese haliburton change right?
Speaker 5 (42:17):
NOW i, mean he's, like, man this guy brings it right.
One can we please stop the overrated? Thing we gotta,
Stop LIKE i worked for the athletic RIGHT i worked
for the Athletic i'm, LIKE i. DIDN'T i didn't do
any work in this anonymous player's. Pole but if you
think about, it there were ninety players that voted in that,
thing in that in that question of the anonymous player
(42:39):
poles for the for the overrated, question just that question,
alone if he got fourteen percent of, vote it's thirteen.
Players it's just thirteen players in the. Lead we got
to stop doing. THAT i know they're using a, motivation
but we gotta we gotta stop this overrated. Thing like
it's just math at this. Point But tyresee is, man he's, Incredible,
like this.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Guy is so.
Speaker 5 (43:00):
Leader he's, LIKE i, mean you look at his his
play since Since january. FIRST i want to say he
had like a like a six and a half to
one turnover assist a turnover, ratio something ridiculous like. That
he's basically you, know you you trust him through long
stretches of the season to be a fifty forty ninety.
GUY i, mean he's just he's just such an incredible clutch.
(43:22):
Player you, like you know that that he's he's unfazed
by those big. SHOTS i, mean he's done this a
lot and he runs that team the Way Rick carlisle
wants him. To and they get into you, know they're
down ten, points fifteen points in the fourth, quarter and
and instead of going, LIKE i don't, know, guys maybe next,
time like he's, like all, right let's, go let's let's
let's push the, pace let's get this thing, Going let's
(43:43):
put pressure on, them let's get into the into the.
Paint it's nothing just jacking up a bunch of threes
like they played, Basketball like they get into the paint
and force the defense to do. Things that's all. Him
that's all, him you, know having this team geared around
him like he's he's one of the best point guards
in the. League and maybe people hate, him but you
have to hate him because he's.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Ticking your teams. Butt. YEAH i think there's a lot too.
That Zach harper joining us here On Fox Sports. Radio
i'll find him At Talk. Hoops the poll is the,
Poll LIKE i got into it with somebody ON x
because it's part of the. Conversation AND i think you're, Right,
zach that it ends. UP i think it's a bit
may be the best thing that happened To Tyre's halliburton
or the pers you, know for for how it's, been
(44:21):
but there apparently is a group of people that feel
that he was.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Overrated and And ryan AND i were just talking about.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
IT i, said the amazing thing about What haliburton has
done in these playoffs And i'll get to my question
in a, second is he beats the box on a
shot at the hoop and he and he knocks out
The calves In game two with a twenty five. Footer
so now if you're The nicks in game, one you
have no idea where he's going to go in a
two point game because he's done both in the last
the last couple of. Weeks my whole question is With,
(44:49):
halliburton is it the team us say stuff because we
saw on how much it played With Jason tatum and
the conversations we. HAD i remember THE Sa bonus Hallib
burton trade and at the time And i'm, thinking, Wow
indiana's got a player Nothing and there was no disrespect To.
Sibonis he's had a great career so far In. Sacramento
but but is it that sort of thing that kind
(45:11):
of lends you to think he's, overrated is because he's
not twenty five a. Game why would that sort of
label come To Tyres halliburton considering what he has.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Accomplished, yeah, WELL i think also like, PLAYERS i don't
know that players don't like. HIM i do know that
there is there does seem to be a perception with
some players where it's the whole thing of like if
they feel he's front running in the sense, of, oh
you start talking trash when you're up, Right, Sure ryan
knows it's like. That players don't like, that, right you
better talk trash when you're.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
BEHIND i thought it's like jump, shot honestly.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
EXACTLY i, thought, like because it's so.
Speaker 5 (45:44):
Unorthodox, look the jumpers, weird but it's gold, Right, like,
yeah so you he can kick it up there for
all that. Care the way it goes in like it's
it's pretty. Good but to your point about the way he,
SCORES i, mean it's not just that that bucket at
the end to take the bucks, set like he scored
that On. Yannis he Saw giannis and problems like this
is a layout Like i'm taking you to the rack
(46:05):
And i'm ending your, season and like he's. Fearless AND
i think that plus the trash, talk plus the weird
looking game plus the control he. Has AND i still
think people underestimate This spacers. TEAM i think a lot
of people still think that they beat The calves because of.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
INJURIES i.
Speaker 5 (46:20):
DON'T i think they were.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Better, well let me ask you something About Anthony. Edwards
do you think he can change his play style or
does he need to or is it more of, hey
let's get pieces that fit around.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
HIM i do think he. CAN i do think he.
Can LIKE i think he's still learning decision, making you,
know especially like with different. Coverages like you, know he
changed his play style from last year to this, year
and that he wasn't a very good three point, shooter,
right he was maybe at best league, average and then
he was a pretty special three point shooter this, season
and that was you, know it's more than just a
(46:58):
summer of. Work he's in work on this for a,
while but you really saw you really saw, him you,
know see the results this season being basically a forty
percent three point shooter and leading the league in three pointers.
Made SO i do think he can add to his,
game BUT i think that's mostly going to. Be we
know he can get to the, rack we know he
can shoot. THREES i think some of that's going to
(47:19):
be finding ways to draw more, fouls whether that's going
to be you, know kind of the foul merchant stuff
that that The internet hatesor is going to be you,
know finding more contact at the, rim whatever that. IS
i do think he needs some of that in his.
Game AND i think it's just decision making and. Playmaking
he's a good. Playmaker he could be a great, playmaker
and that will lend itself to making the job easier
(47:41):
because we do see a tendency of him just kind
of dribbling around and he's great at, it and he's
good at just scoring one on, one one on five at,
times but he does have to he's got to involve
his teammates a little bit.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
More, okay we're going to end on this With Zach
carper joining us on The Doug Gottlive show On Fox Sports.
Radio He's Ryan hollins THE. Nba I'm Dan. Byer this
is going way. AHEAD i don't think The timberwolves are
out of. IT i think it's quite an up ill,
climb But i'm not willing to cut them out of.
It but could this be the start of a long
run For Oklahoma? City And i'm talking you, know, title, title,
(48:14):
title considering the ammunition that they, have or is it
a DIFFERENT. NBA i, mean where do you think This
if If Okay seekin gets it, done gets it, done
is it the start of a long run for?
Speaker 5 (48:26):
THEM i don't think it is just because one these
things tend to be shorter than we. Think we thought,
that you, know The heat were going to be this
thing for ten. Years it was. Four you, know The
warriors ruined basketball With Kevin, durant that was three. Years you,
Know denver was had all of a sudden solved the.
League that was a, year and now you know they're
firing coaches three games before the end of the. SEASON
(48:49):
i think the league is made for. PARODY i personally hate.
IT i hate. PARODY i think we should have dynasties
that get built up and then get torn. Down SO
i would love it if you, know The thunder or
whoever hums The. Dynasty BUT i ALSO i think the
league really messed up with this second apron and the
penalties they. HAVE i don't think it should go towards
teams that are players that you. DRAFT i think teams
(49:10):
like The, thunder teams like The, rockets teams like all these.
Teams they are teams like The, pistons teams that have
built with the draft and done the proper things of
evaluating talent and bringing it. IN i don't think that
should count towards the second apron and all this. STUFF
i think you should be rewarded for being smart rather
than penalized because you did a good, job and SO
i think that will eventually affect the thunder and keep
them from. It BUT i don't. Know maybe we finally
(49:32):
get a back to back. Champion if that, happens that
would be great BECAUSE i AGAIN i hate.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Parody and we'll see if this conversation continues into the.
Summer still a lot of hoops to be, Played, Zach
we appreciate. It enjoyed tonight's, game exact and day. Weekend thanks.
Man appreciate you. Guys
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Amy Robach & T.J. Holmes present: Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial
Introducing… Aubrey O’Day Diddy’s former protege, television personality, platinum selling music artist, Danity Kane alum Aubrey O’Day joins veteran journalists Amy Robach and TJ Holmes to provide a unique perspective on the trial that has captivated the attention of the nation. Join them throughout the trial as they discuss, debate, and dissect every detail, every aspect of the proceedings. Aubrey will offer her opinions and expertise, as only she is qualified to do given her first-hand knowledge. From her days on Making the Band, as she emerged as the breakout star, the truth of the situation would be the opposite of the glitz and glamour. Listen throughout every minute of the trial, for this exclusive coverage. Amy Robach and TJ Holmes present Aubrey O’Day, Covering the Diddy Trial, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Betrayal: Season 4
Karoline Borega married a man of honor – a respected Colorado Springs Police officer. She knew there would be sacrifices to accommodate her husband’s career. But she had no idea that he was using his badge to fool everyone. This season, we expose a man who swore two sacred oaths—one to his badge, one to his bride—and broke them both. We follow Karoline as she questions everything she thought she knew about her partner of over 20 years. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-3 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.