May 28, 2025 • 48 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show; Doug talks about the Pacers beating the Knicks in game four of the Eastern Conference Finals and the role Tyrese Haliburton played in that. Doug also explains why a Pacers-Thunder NBA Finals could age well.
In this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew discuss the WNBA's issue as it pertains to allegations made against their fans.
Doug welcomes NBA writer and analyst Frank Isola onto the show to talk about the Knicks, Thunder and all of the other major headlines around the NBA.
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. I watched the Pacers
beat the Knicks last night, and what a fun game,
right Like I was in and out in the first quarter,
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and I flip back on it's like second quarter, both
teams with like seven minutes to go, like we're in
the fifties. I'm like, this is awesome right now, they're
on pace for like a buck forty. They didn't get there,
but still was a good watch. And at the end,
you know, Tyrese Haliburton ends up with the historic night
thirty two to twelve fifteen assists, zero turnovers, zero turnovers,
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the most games in NBA history with thirty plus points,
fifteen plus assist and zero turn ernovers. He's the third
player in playoff history with thirty ten and fifteen, and
now he has the most playoff triple doubles in Pacers' history.
Tyres Alberton was great. Knicks weren't bad. They just couldn't
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stop anybody. Obviously, they couldn't stop the Pacers. I don't
know about anybody else. No one else mattered last night,
and the Pacers take a commanding three games to one lead.
Series not over because you do potentially have two left
in New York. They obviously got to win five, and
then you know, six becomes anything the Knicks can do
to win a game on the road. We'll see. But
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I thought about this today and I kind of want
to flush out with you guys. Okay, what if the
player's poll that was conducted could in fact be true
and it could be false now and you're like, wait,
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that doesn't make any sense. Here's one of the things
that we struggle with as fans. We struggle with this
with politics as well, is we don't take into it.
We don't take context into account. Context is everything everything,
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you know. I remember there were things that were said
about President Byen when he was running where they had
footage of him in I want to say, like early nineties,
maybe even late eighties in Congress, and the things that
he would pushing for now would be like super conservative agenda.
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But we're not taking into account is that the times
like at the time he was pushing towards change that
we can't even imagine now or even go back historically,
Like when we went through that summer of was that
the summer of twenty one, right with all the protests
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and you had people looking back at twenty summer twenty twenty, okay,
so that was COVID summer we had. We're looking back
looking back at historic figures and you know whether or
not they had slaves or you know how the Declaration
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of Independence was written, and yeah, of course now you
can't view a human being as three fifths of a
human being, right, But the point is where they wanted
to get to as a society at the time was
super progressive. It's like all we take we looked through
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the lens of yes we look through the lens of
today for yesterday, and that's not fair to yesterday. We
do it in sports right where we'll sit here and
we'll look at old tape of players basketball seventies or eighties, nineties,
and we'll say, you know, look at these guys. Now,
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this guy was like a plumber. He had no chance
to compete against this guy. Well like, okay, they weren't
all plumbers, but even the guys that were plumbers, now
they'd make so much money. They wouldn't have to be plumbers.
They make so much money they could actually hire trainers.
Their diets better, their workouts are better. They start shooting threes.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
One of the things Steph Curry told me this once
when we talked about great three point shooters of all time.
He's like, I've never been on a basketball court that
there wasn't a three point line. Whereas you go back
to bird Dale, Ellis Heck, even Dell Curry, right when
they grew up, there was no three point line. It
was a learned trait and it wasn't embraced the way
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it is now. So I say that because even within
a context of a year, if you asked me early
to mid year, who's the most overrated player in the league,
and I could say Tyrese Halbert. Why he had done
anything in the playoffs. He he runs his mouth, he
shoots wild shots. He benefits from the systems he played in.
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You know, when he was in was in Sacramento, they
played fast. What he's in India, they play fast. You know.
None of those teams do anything in the playoffs and
it really matters. So he's overrated. Well, now he's playing
great in the conference finals, and you know it's easy
for him his mantra. Obviously, I'm not I'm show you
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that I'm not overrated, and that's great. But it's also
possible that at the time in which the question was asked,
he was considered an overrated player. He's an all star,
but he hadn't done anything, and what anything, Jase dou
Am not making sense to you.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think you explained it well there. So I do
understand your question. I just I don't I don't agree
with it. I do think that this is this was
a poll of decision makers, team builders, GMS. I don't
think he would have been the most overrated. I think
the people that matter care about his value to a team.
I think when you get into these these anonymous players poll,
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I think people just take out their like personal grievances
in these polls, and I think he's done a lot
to piss fellow players off. Whatever he does, he's that
guy at work that maybe he can't help it, but
he just annoys the crap out of you. And I
think maybe that was why he was voted overrated.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So he's the Sam.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Oh, come on, I wasn't going to say his name
on the air. We will clean that up into this.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
He's the Sam?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is that? Is that?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
What it is?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You? Ever?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You haven't worked with everybody here. I feel like there's
more annoying people than me. I can be annoying, for sure,
but it's more of like a joyful annoyance.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, that's exactly how uh you perceived joyful annoyance. Yes,
I'm kidding of still, but but this is it's it's
really interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Does that make sense? So if they were to do
the poll today, don't you think the players would would
vote the same way?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Or No?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm thinking about how.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
The guys in the NBA. What makes it over there?
Do I think?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Like what exact cause, like I know his Olympic minutes,
he wasn't happy with that and he was he had
kind of an injury last year he was working through,
and then the slow start this past season.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
He didn't say he wasn't happy with his Olympic bins.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, I read it. I read a piece online.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
He he only played like twenty six twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I'm sure he wasn't happy.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They raided with that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, okay, are we going to take you out
and take Steff out and put you in?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I'm not calling into question the coaching decisions, but I
think his his profile kind of sagged a little bit
over the last maybe six to eight months, and now
he's he's like showing everybody, Yeah, I'm I'm Johnny Klutch here.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I I just think he hadn't played in meaningful games
and NBA players don't care about what you do.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They didn't get to the Eastern Conference finals last year,
didn't they. I mean, he's done some some playoff work.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's Correctstern Conference finals last year, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But again, I'm the perception he wasn't having this level
of impact and playing this well. And I'd say, also
maybe it's the Eastern Conference finals because usually the guy
who's who gets the most overrated thing is the is
Trey Young, and Trey Young's terrific. But Trey Young doesn't
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play championship level the events. He has been to one
conference finals. And maybe it's because of the shy and
that Trey Young gets or the shoes or the attention
or the scoring or the passing or whatever, and people
are paying attention to the defense. I don't know, but
usually it's a Trey Young award. I don't think he
would be the most overrated player now I do think
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he has earned some respect. And yet again, here's where
both can be true. Jase, You're right. I think he's
pissed a lot of people off. I think he runs
his mouth a ton. I think that's how he plays.
I think that's how he gets the most out of himself.
I think, in a noise the hell out of his opponent.
But now they're winning, So what are you gonna actually
say about him? What are you gonna say about him?
You know you can call him whenever you want, overrated?
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Just who cares his team keeps winning games. Here's Tyrese
Halibert when he was asked about his historic performance after
the game.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The most combination, point, rebounds, assists, steals, with no turnovers
in a game ever.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, ever, what is that? Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And what is that like to do that? I mean,
I didn't know that. I feel like we were making
upstats at as point to make me look better. But
I think I'm just trying to play the right way, man,
I just want to impact winning.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Look, Litsten, it's a great answer, and I do think
he wants to impact winning. I think it's an awesome player.
But and I also agree with you. Now we're just
making up stats, but those are pretty obscene stats. By
the way, his dad got to watch him in person.
Here's Halberton talking about his dad.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that
was tough for you, and just if there were some
emotions about having him back in here tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Emotions.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys here,
Like my dad is just fine. Like he lives just fine.
He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home,
or he finds his way in some sports bar with
a bunch of Pacer fans. My dad is doing just fine.
I think there was obviously a lot of commentary around him,
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especially right after which I think someone was warranted, went
a little too far. But I mean that's just sports.
That's just sports, and that's just talking heads.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think his dad was
the au dad that was over the top. I thought
he handled it. I thought Tyree's handled it really well
where he's like, hey, don't feel bad for him, he's
watching a really nice house. Yeah. I think Halliburton is
one of those guys. There's two things that come to
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my mind when I watched Tyre's Halburton and frankly tonight.
If Oklahoma City closed them out, which is going back
to that discussion we had yesterday, this will look historically
like a complete outlier finals. It'll look historically like the
final four we had a couple of years ago with
Florida Atlantic and San Diego State. You know, we had Miami.
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You know, you're like what, But I think there's a
world where we circle back to this six seven years
from now and Oklahoma City has won a couple of titles,
and Haliburton is a is a what's it called when
you're an All Star, you're all You're All Star offender
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all the time, you know, just just an All star
point guard in the East where it won't feel like
we'll look back and say, yeah, it wasn't that crazy
at series, because this one reminds me a lot of
It reminds me the three Spurs and Nets, right Spurs Nets,
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which was the lowest rated NBA Finals or is the
lowest rated NBA finals of all time, and this one
will probably beat that. Maybe not because ESPN ABC they
know how to stir up some ratings dust out of nothing.
But I think much like if we look back on
those Spurs teams and you're like, wow, they had Steve
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Kerr and Steve Smith that year, and they had obviously
Tim Duncan and the makings of a team that that
was their second championship. And then you look at even
the Nets, they had Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin and others,
but Jason Kidd end up becoming, you know, an NBA champion,
NBA champion later with the Dallas Mavericks. The point is,
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when you looked at it as just those team names,
it looks really strange and people didn't watch. But then
when you get down to it, both teams were really
talented and the substance out of it was something something
very real.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It reminds me and I think people watched the series
because Lebron was in it, but so it doesn't it's
not similar in that respect. But I do remember specifically
having a conversation in the wake of Golden State's first championship,
and I remember my host at the time said, this
was a team with no Hall of famers. Maybe Steph
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Curry makes the Hall of Fame that won this championship,
And I'm like, how do you know? I at that point, Clay, Tom,
Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes was a big part of that team,
and I'm like, they're so young and this team is
so in its infancy of greatness, how do you know?
And then so you fast forward what ten years and
Draymond and Clay are hall of famers.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
No, yes, yes, you're completely right. That's that's one hundred
percent accurate. That's exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Buyer brought this up too, like, you look back and
it might be the start of something great. Maybe right
now we're like, eh, we're the seven different champions in
seven years, but this could be the start of something.
Right now, we just know we haven't had enough time
elapsed to look back and be like, oh that was
a significant time.
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Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay there, Jay stew topics.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
What do you want on the group text today that
exactly none of you responded to I throughout two for
the Midway today, y'all, we could share our thoughts on
inside the NBA as it is. Its current entity is
saying goodbye or my preferred topic, because there's so many
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ways to go with this. Allegations of the hateful taunts
that was found unsubstantiated. How dangerous is this? Has the
damage been done? Should allegations like this go punished if
they are considered false? As per Jesse Smolette found out,
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what do you guys like? I mean, we don't have
a female perspective on the show every day, so I
figured maybe that would be good for that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, month, let's let month to choose. Do you want
to choose? Yes, yes, choose.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I'm going to go with your preferred topic. Then producer
Jason wisely the preferred topic of these allegations of comments noises.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, good, I like this topic a lot. Okay. So
the question is right from from Jason that you'd like
you'd like to put out there to the rest of
the show crew and to anybody wants to tweet us
at Gottlieb Show. I g the same is, should you
punish someone who makes up these allegations when the allegations
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are clearly false?
Speaker 8 (18:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You know what we should do? You know what we
should do?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
What?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
What's the name of the woman analyst on ESPN that
does the NBA and w NBA's at Cheney. Yeah, okay,
so can we play this as just some context to
this conversation. Yes, I guess she came out the day
after the allegations that weird part where the WNBA is like,
we're gonna, we're gonna investigate, and then everybody's like, I
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love the investigation. It's great that we're investigating. This hate
has no room in our game. You know that very
inauthentic messaging. Right after the allegations. Well, I guess this
analyst went on and started to rip on fans of
the fever and how this can't it's can't happen in
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the games. Well, she kind of had to take things
back on social media yesterday.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Hey, everybody, I'm sure you've seen the WNBA statement on
the investigation, and I want to address this with the
same energy I did the first time, because if you
really know me, I always try my absolute best to
uplift the WNBA, to celebrate the amazing players, the coaches,
and of course the fans. That is something that is
at the core of everything.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That I do.
Speaker 8 (19:52):
But if you know me, you know I'm not afraid
to say I can do better. I am sorry that
my message was in the heat of the moment, because
when I initially spoke on a topic, it really came
from a place of care. It was based on firsthand
conversations with people very close to the situation who raised
real concerns, and they told me what they had experienced,
and I felt like it was important and it was
necessary to acknowledge those allegations and also voice those experiences.
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Now in the process, however, I totally recognize that it
may have impacted fans in a way that I did
not intend, and I am sorry.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
People just always forget that words have consequences, huh, Like
the most basic of things. Words have consequences, And I
don't know, people forget that, I hope, So I hope
that it's that they forget and it's not just straight
up ignoring it. I hope that it's that they forget.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I really do.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
But I guess that's me hoping for the best. The
only I just want to know where this came from,
because I want to know if, like someone said, you know,
how people start talking and egging each other on. Did
somebody go to Angel Rees and say, did you hear
what did you hear that, and maybe angel Rees didn't
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hear anything, but you keep saying that to her and
her surrounding.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
People are like, no, we heard it.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
You start to believe it even because you think people
are telling you the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Like I just the biggest issue with it, that's the
biggest issue with this thing is apparently what happened was
it was pulled off of Twitter where somebody heard them
booing and thought they heard something. And stop caring what
nobody's think on Twitter. Stop it. Nobody cares about you
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and your conspiracy thoughts. You have to have common sense.
I know it's not that common. I got it, Okay,
I'm fully aware that common sense is not common. But
a WNBA game is not a place where racial epith
racial language is going to be used. It's just not okay,
use your head. Really, it's the most diverse league in
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terms of race and sexuality of any okay, and it's
all women. So like, do you think for one second
you have to think logically, Think logically, okay, that the
league that honestly is fairly unwelcoming to straight people. And
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I think that's part of the discussion over Caitlin Clark.
But the league that has been fighting for attention because, hey,
in this era of diversity, in this era where women
should be empowered, we have a women empowered sports league
that's been going on for twenty five years. It's diverse racially,
it's the verse religion wise, it's the verse sexually. You
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can't get any better. This is the WNBA. Is what
every university looks for on their brochure, right, how you
got women for all over, different colors. They're beautiful, beautiful,
different races, different hairstyles or whatever, different sexuality. Like, that's
every college brochure ever. Is the WNBA. Do you think
for one second somebody's gonna be yelling out something at
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Caitlin Clark, I mean not Kaitlin Clark, or you're nott
Caitlin Clark, or at at Angel Reese and no one's
gonna say anything. But this is what happens when we
pay attention to people that don't matter on X and again,
this is where the whole new Twitter thing lost everybody.
It used to be people with blue checks. You'd earn
that blue check based upon your status. Now you can
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buy the blue check or you don't buy the blue check,
which I don't right that you're just a you're a
Twitter handle. You can buy up followers to make yourself
see more important. You're not important. Stop paying attention to
people that aren't important.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You can buy ads, you can you can take your
take and you can boost it with the ex These
ads on X are so stupid. It's like someone says
something and they're like, yeah, I want to put this
out to the world, so they pay for it to
be put into your timeline or your feed, and you're like,
I didn't ask for this. It's just money going to
Elon Musk, so he'll just take it and run with it.
(24:01):
It's absurd. It's it's worse. X is worse than Twitter's
worst that's ever been. Sorry Elan, but it's it's a
cesspool of bs. That's a different subject. I guess they
cross over a little bit. But okay, so Sam, you
of everybody here. Actually Montsey's a big fan too. But
(24:22):
you you take up for the WNBA, You take up
for Kitlin Clark. This incident included Kaitlyn Clark. I will
say this. Remember right when it happened and the w
NBA said we're launching an investigation. Everybody jumped on board.
They were very supportive of the investigation. Caitlin Clark said,
you know what, it was really loud. I didn't hear anything,
but I'm glad they're investigating the head coach of the
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sky or What's Chicago. Yeah, he said he was too loud.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
He didn't hear it. He was coaching. When they went
to Angel Reese and they're like, what did you hear,
she wouldn't say what she heard, and more importantly, she
didn't say I didn't hear anything. She just kind of
left it out there. She added fuel to this investigation.
I'm glad they're investigating. So, Sam, you're you're a big
WNBA guy. What did you think about the way this
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played out? You had said initially that the damage is
kind of done already, right to the fans of the fever.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, just opening an investigation at all kind of puts
a stain on all of this. I thought at the
beginning that it wouldn't turn up anything, and lo and behold,
it did not turn up anything. Listen, I think, I mean,
I think for a long time a lot of human history,
women have been the victims of sexual violence, and they're
allowed to obviously, like where you post Me Too movement,
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so like women should be believed, but there are cases
where it's abused, and whether it's racial taunting or allegations
of sexual violence, there's gonna be bad actors in there.
I'm not saying anybody in the sky did this.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
We just just too much, like almost feels like there's
too much gossip involved and you're talking.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's the problem with the league. That's the problem with
the league. That's the problem with this league is they
think everybody's out to get them, and everybody talk. You know,
it's like nobody we don't care that much to be
out to get you.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Apparently wasn't even Angel Reese. It was someone else on
the team who thought they heard something. But I think
I think also though women men's sports, booing heckling is
just more accepted.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And oh stop it. This is the this is mar Monsey.
You and I have discussed this before. Okay, this is
the problem with women's sports. You want to be considered
a real legitimate sports enterprise, but you also want to
be protected class.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Saying that I'm saying, I'm not saying that they shouldn't
be booed or heckled. I'm just saying that they shouldn't be.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
And the thing is, like, this is how it is
you want to be a professional athlete. Booing is part
of it. They've never experienced it and they don't know
how to handle it, But in reality, like this is normal,
and the fact that they think that they shouldn't get
those boos is kind of silly.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, I'm just saying up until this point, in the
last two years, men and men's sports have dealt with
booing and heckling more and they've just moved on with it.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
And it's just because no one was paying attention to
the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Way that they are now.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
You know, you're not gonna see a lot of booing
and heckling at a field hockey tournament, a women's field
hockey tournament, or like a softball tournament. There's just not
as much of it. So maybe when women encounter this
stuff they take it personally. They don't know how to
react to it, they don't know how to let it
just roll off their shoulders, so it turns into a
whole personal attack thing. And it's just sort of part
of the game of being a professional athlete. Ors people
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certainly aren't doing female athletes at the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I don't think I would hope not. They shouldn't be
doing men either, But there's just not.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Been a lot of heckling and kind of rough critiquing
in women's sports up until maybe now.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Right because nobody was really watching.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Well people are the purists were watching, but they were like,
that's the smartest Yes, there's a Listen. There's different circles
mixing now in the WNBA. There are there are people
that didn't follow women's sports at all, and they just like, oh,
Kaitlyn Clarks, she's.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Okay, so showstopper. Let's get back to Jason's question. Can
you punish people who make false accusations.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Over the last twenty four hours, the kind of the
right wing influencers, someone who was a host on this
network at some point is in the forefront of this.
They're comparing this to Jesse Smolette, in other words, he
was punished when that thing was determined a hoax and
he made it up to dissuade things like this from happening.
(28:39):
Should there be more messaging from the WNBA today saying
that we're going to punish if things are alleged and
found unfounded.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
I feel like they are getting punished in the court
of public opinion.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be hard to actually punish them, I
mean yeah, but I think it's happening. It is happening.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Yeah, it's just not to the degree of of the guy.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
But I think that the w NBA, I think Angel Reese,
they're all getting punished by the by the court of
public opinion.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, the report coming back and saying we didn't find anything.
It's it's embarrassing, Okay. I think the thing with Jesse
Smollett is he hired two guys like them up right,
Like this is like a real plot to make him
look better in make him look like a victim or something.
And you know, to my knowledge, nobody on the sky
hired you know, uh, hecklers to come in and you
(29:29):
know what they call it, paid paid protesters. Like I
don't I've never believed in that. I don't think that's
a real thing, and certainly not a thing that happened
in that Fever game.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Doug.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
If if you're found guilty of creating a hoax and
making an entire fan base, UH have to answer questions
about whether or not they're racist. And and by the way,
it doesn't actually matter that nothing was discovered. There are
people that have predetermined probably prior to this, but this
only becomes confirmation that because Indiana perception wise has a
(30:05):
white fan base, more white players play there, they have
to all be racist, right, And all this does is
feed into it. Yes, absolutely, if you can find out
who created this hoax, punish them, Punish them and embarrass them,
because it's embarrassing how the perception they have created or
that they have given confirmation bias to in regards to
fans in Indiana.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I just I just want to say, I don't know
if that's even possible, because there's you're you can always
just say, ah, you know, I heard something in the crowd,
and and you know, you're like you kind of have
the benefit of the doubt. Like even if you were wrong,
you said, well, there should be an investigation open, but
I don't have I don't have unequivocal evidence to support this,
(30:48):
but there might be something there, so you should look
into it. So if it comes back with yeah, we
didn't really find anything, nothing came up, that's hard to
punish that they're calling into people into question people's motives
and what they're what they're really acting on behalf of
I just I think that they're just gonna move on
with this and say, all right, we did this. Nothing
came up in their story.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
No, here's what happens. Most people go There's a portion
of people that go up. They're like, here's the boy
who cried wolf with with with the women of the
w NBA. And then there's a percentage of people that
are like, it's just they don't want they don't want
to find the truth. They don't want to find the truth.
They know those fans are racist. You've created more division,
(31:29):
not any sort of cohesion.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
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Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Did you
guys hear this? Chris Finch is the coach of the
Minnesota Timberwolves. He said this about he was talking about
you know, coaches have done this for long time, right,
They try and manipulate the officials to the media. I
do thinks there's a lot of truth in what he's saying.
(32:06):
This is Chris Finch talking about how Oklahoma City guards
Anthony Edwards off the basketball.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
I think we could have been a little bit more
physical ourselves. Yeah, I think off ball they were super handsy.
I saw a lot of off ball contact.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
Their off ball defense was largely focused on and you know,
trying to trying to jam him up and keep him
from being able to get the ball in clean space.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I find it also a little interesting that throughout the
entire series there I can't remember an off ball foul
that's been called after four games, which is kind of unique.
So that's just a speaks volume of the credit to
their off ball defense.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
So yeah, I mean, listen, he's he's saying what we
all see when people say, hey, games officiated totally differently.
That's what they mean. That's what the mean. And yeah,
they're officiated totally differently. They are they're grabbing, they're holding.
It's like the nineteen nineties when you're off the basketball.
(33:10):
And you know, look, what Shade benefits from is people
have a they either I think most people don't understand,
and I think people that cover the game either don't
understand or aren't being totally honest about it. So what
they've tried to cut back on is, yeah, they tried
(33:32):
to have freedom of movement, let guys catch, but in
the playoffs they've often let it be a grab and
hold contest till you get the basketball. Now, the Thunder
grab a hold probably more than anybody because they have
a greater depth of numbers. If you call foul for them, fine,
they'll put somebody else in. They'll be fine. But the
true point of emphasis is protecting both the shooter and
(33:56):
the ball handler. The shooter, if you get touched, you
get vouled, and the ball handler actually ends up being
in a position where they can create contact, create space
for themselves. And that's what Shay does, right, He's constantly
like doing the Heisman leading with his off arm. So
Shaye benefits from the rules and how there how the
(34:21):
fouls are called in the regular season in the playoffs,
and the point of focus of those rules. You're better
off having the basketball than your hands. Now, Oklahoma City
tried to do what I mean, excuse me, Minnesota tried
to do what Oklahoma City does where they jam up
the paint and load it up. You know on on
Shay and his teammates hit more shots and they had
(34:44):
a little bit better plan off Anthony Edwards, who's more
of a pure score not a creator for other people.
But he's not wrong and everybody knows it. And some
of that had been changed by the officiating, but some
of that is getting away from what officials are really
trying to cut back on is, which is, you know,
banging into a ball handler, and that's where Shake creates
(35:06):
those fouls, real or fictitious. It stug out lib Show,
Fox Sports Radio. You're him on serious XMNBA radio. You've
read him for years, you watched him on TV. He's
Frank Iola, he joins us and Frank let's let's let's
just start with the Knicks. I mean, look, you know
(35:27):
your work in New York is synonymous with the Knicks,
and they've been so disappointing for so long. If it
ends in you know, five or six, how would you
characterize this season?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Oh, I think it's I think it would have to
be successful. You're not. You won fifty games, first time
in thirty years that you won fifty games, and back
to back season he got to a conference finals for
the first time. In twenty five years you knocked up
the depending champs. I get it, it would be disappointing
that he lose to the Indianafa that the Pacers aren't
a bit of a role right now. They've played really
well against Cleveland in the second round of taking that
(36:05):
won sixty four games. You know, Rick Carlo does an
outstanding job, So I get it it would be a disappointment,
But considering what the Knicks have done for the last
quarter century, I don't know how Nick fans could call
it a failure. I mean, it would be a disappointment,
but certainly not a failure.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What's gone so wrong for them in this series.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's strange, right because you know, you look at Brunson
and Towns together, and the Knicks won fifty one games
during the regular season. But against this team, the Knicks
game aren't effective. With both of them on the court,
they're really getting exposed. Eventially, they've actually been better with
one all, you know, staggering their minutes a bit. I
think the pace that Indiana is playing at is affecting
(36:46):
the Knicks. But let's also face it, Doug, you know
that you go back to that game one, you know,
the Knicks should have won that game. It's just like
Cleveland should have won Game two at home and Boston
should have won Game two. And once you lose a
game like that that you should have won on it's
almost as if it was a win, but you still
have to beat them four more times. So all that
you're doing from that point on is kind of chasing
(37:07):
the series. I mean, think about this. The Knicks were
up nine with fifty eight seconds to go in Game one,
and it wasn't as if Indiana scored nine unanswered points
to tie the game up. The Knicks scored four more points,
so Indiana had to go on a thirteen to four
run on the last fifty eight seconds just to get
the overtime. And of course that amazing shot by Tyrus Halivern.
(37:29):
So that was a bit of a freak show. And
I think you know, they were the better team, but
not when it really mattered most. So I don't think
they've ever really recovered from that game.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
No, I would. I would tend to agree with you.
What does it mean for the NBA that we're again
on the brink of Oklahoma City versus Indy Right in
terms of lack of name brands in the in the championship.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, I think there was a point in years to
go when the San Antonio Spurs made it, and it's
before they won titles and people think, oh, really the
San Antonio Spurs and people want that market in there.
Then they became a bit of a brand. So, you know,
you do with all the people that complained that the
sports talk shows all they talk about, you know, is
Lebron James and the Lakers and some of some of
the names like that. I think for people like basketball,
(38:18):
it'll be a lot of fun. I mean, whoever wins
the title. I know, I'm talking about Oklahoma City, I
know they won, as you know, the Seattle Superson it's
to be the first time for either organization. I think
Indiana would be a great thing. I mean they have
a great tradition, you know, during their ABA days, they
have a great tradition, certainly in the nineties with Reggie Miller,
Donny wallsh running things, Larry Brown as a coach, eventually
(38:39):
Larry Bird as the coach. I think for people that
like basketball, they're gonna appreciate it. You know, if people
want the big names like that, you know, they want
the Lakers in the Celtics, Well, tell those teams to win,
because I don't. I'm not going to have a problem
with it. I think I think it'll be a lot
of fun. It's fan bases that are really passionate, and
if it turns out to be Oklahoma City or and Indiana,
it's gonna be pretty because you're going to get a
(39:00):
team that's going to be raising a batter for the
first time.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Tyrese Haliburton, how would you classify his his his status?
You know, he's the players only vote had him as
the most overrated player. He's he just had a trouble
double with no turnovers. He had the you know, he
had the the step back two that was, you know,
(39:25):
a half inch from being a three in Game one.
He had some theatrics in comeback some previous series. How
would you characterize his his status as a star?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You know it interest in us. So last night he
was the first play INNBA history. Yeah, thirty five, you know,
thirty plus points, fifteen plus assists, twelve plus rebounds, five
made five may three pointers in no terms. That includes
every game that includes play with some regular seasons. So
he did something historic last night. But you know, you're
in a business where you know you're not afraid to
(39:58):
you know, attach your name your opinion, and you hear
this all the time from players when they hear off
the record comments, but tell the person to put their
name on it. If I get votes for you know,
all NBA MVP and all that stuff, and you are
who votes revealed. I find it interesting that they have this,
you know, anonymous player hole, and these guys are voting
(40:19):
Tyre's halliburt and overrated. I would love to know who
some of the guys are that voted him as overrated.
Have they been the back to that conference finals? Have
they uh, you know, have they been an All Star?
Have they won even a playoff series yet? So I
actually I was always of the belief, and we talked
about on the show a lot over the past six weeks.
And so now Indiana's kind of been an underrated team
(40:40):
this season because you know, they did in fifty games.
Only four teams in the East want fifty more games.
Indiana was one of them, and I think, you know,
they kind of stuck up on people after the year
that they had last season. So I think they're underrated.
I think Tyres Haliburt is underrated. I think that poll
that you mentioned. Ever since that came out, he's had
some really good moments. He was outstanding against Cleveland and
(41:02):
right now he's one of the shots of the playoffs,
if it's not the shot of the playoffs. In game
one at the end of regulation like you just mentioned before,
against the next how.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Crazy is it that he did it. Reggie Miller's calling
the game and he does the choke sign to him.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
No, you could tell that Reggie Miller loved every minute
of it. I've been in the building for some of
those Reggie Miller moments and you know, to his credit,
and this is what I like about Tyrus Alibert. You
know his father was out of line. That's what he did,
to be honest. And Tyrus comes out right after the
game and says, listen, I talked to my father. He
shouldn't have done that. And even in that moment, like
he gives the chokes on, he thought his foot was
behind the three point line. And he even admitted after
(41:37):
the game, I would have looked silly if we didn't
win the game. And to the credit, you know, you
tied the game up, and they you know, they had
the toughness both mentally and physically to finish it off.
But you know, it's funny, he's got a lot of
Reggie Miller in him from this standpoint, body type somewhat similar,
but like they're not afraid of the moment and they're
not afraid to kind of be the villain. And they
(41:58):
know that people are taking all these kinds of shots
to Adam, But I think he kind of thrives on that.
And I think, you know, the crowd getting on him
in New York is part of it. I think the
player's saying that he's overrated is part of it. Like
you know, as the kids like to say, he's about
that life. He really is. Like he doesn't he doesn't
back down from challenges. And I think going into the
game yesterday, I think a lot of people going, all right,
(42:19):
Tyre Shener really played well in games two and three,
and you know they need a Tyres Halliburton game. Well
guess what they got a Tyres Halliburton game last night.
He was pretty gone good.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
He was really, really really good. It is interesting you
point out the Spurs because that's what I think of
Glahoma City is. I think they're awesome. I think they're
defensive minded, you know. I think they like each other.
I think they're well coached, and I don't think people
are going to embrace them no matter how good they are.
And it's a shame because they're really, really good, but
(42:50):
we're going to make them out to be some sort
of alternative champion where they they won more games regular
season everybody else. If they win the NBA Championship, well
then they won more post city games of anybody else.
I don't under I don't understand it. What about Shaye
Do you think he's use the league's VP?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
All right? So I do have a vote. I voted
for Takoya Jokics. I just felt like ten years from
now when we look back at the voting and I
didn't vote for the guy that had a triple double.
And now listen when Shay's off the court of Oklahoma
City and you know, him being off the court and
on the court is actually pretty close to what Jokic is.
I just didn't feel like, you know, Jokics has yet
to play with a with an All Star and his
(43:29):
primed obviously Jaylen Williams this year became an All Star,
and chet Holmgren is right on the customer doing. I
thought Jacobins Alexander, you know, was terrific. I think, you know,
maybe I want to get to my own rule with
the sixty eight wins, because I do put a lot
of stock in the winning. But then people say, well,
how come you guys didn't make Jason Datam last year?
Vote him first or second when the Suffet went the
(43:50):
league in wins. But I like what Oklahoma City has
done this year. I give Shay credit in some of
these big moments. I think the game where they really
grew up and where he grew up was Game four
on the road in Denver. They were down to one
in the series. They entered the fourth coarter on the
road trailing. They lose that game, they fall behind three
to one, they won that fourth quarter, they won the game.
(44:12):
And then even though they didn't play well in Game
five and really Denvershire won Game five, they win that
game and then they have the blowout in Game seven.
So kind of like in all these big moments, he's delivered,
and let's see what happens tonight. Because you remember the
last time, Okay chance to close out a team at
home and go to the Western Conference Finals was Game six,
which ended up being Kevin Durant's final game in the
(44:34):
Oklahoma City uniform. They were up three to one. They
were up. Remember they were bigger that fourth quarter than
Russell Westbrook than Kevin Durant. So they turned the ball
over left and right. So this is a really really
big you know, and you know how this works. I
mean you could say, oh, well, if they don't win
game five, they game seven, honey. Yeah, that stuff, it's true,
but you know, you got to take your chances when
you get them. And I think Oklahoma City I think
they kind of understand that. So I think, you know,
(44:57):
them understanding what's at stake, and also Anthony everards nderstanding
what's at stake too.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I think it's going to make for a terrific game
to that Frank awesome stuff real quick.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
You know, you have the serious X Them NBA radio show,
Boston Celtics. Do they move Jalen Brown.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
You know, it's interesting, you know, because I do the
show with sky Labrainey, so he's really locked into all
things Boston. I wonder if Tadum didn't get hurt, maybe
that was something that they would consider. He makes a
lot of the money. But you know Brown, you know
this whole thing about being like the guy in your
own team. Well, guess what, next year he's going to
get it the way that the way that Brad Stevens spoke,
(45:36):
I would tend to say no, but something is going
to happen with that team because they are spending a
lot of money. But if you're also the new owner,
you know, Walston is defined by winning championships. So if
you're gonna be the new owner, you're gonna buy the Celtics,
you better be willing to spend the money when they
have a championship team. I think at least of this year,
I think Jaylen Brown, I think Jaylen Brown still be
on the team.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
All right, great stuff, man, let's talk again as the
NBA Finals get ready to tip off. In the meantime,
appreciate your work. Oh hey, I forgot that you run
some of those at the end of the Around the
Horn era of shows. Yeah, were you on the first
Round the Horn?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
No, No, I came. I was actually the first New
York based reporter that they had on the show. So
I think I mean I made my debut in twelve
I think it was September of twenty twelve, so I
made it for about thirteen years, so I was like
the first New York based reporter that they held. I
ended up being on the last show, so that you know,
(46:35):
there weren't we had. They had eight of us on
the show, so I guess when all things ended, I
was like the eighth longest tenured pals. But then again
that's not true too because Zachie mcmullum was gone. They
brought some people back, but you know, they were really
nice to get the people over there.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I was. It ended up being a cool show.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It just.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
You know, there were people that separated themselves. Was there
ever a what's the most interesting moment you can recall
that people didn't see on air?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
There was.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
There was a lot of stuff, and you know, like
the debate got really intense. You know, I would say
during Colin Kaepernick. Obviously there was a lot of intense stuff.
I always say this though. One of the best ones
we had was, you know, after the US women beat
Thailand and soccer thirteen nothing. Yeah, and I remember that
I didn't care about the goals because you know, they
(47:27):
do count go differential At some point in the tournament.
I just I thought it was out of line that
the celebrations were over the top for like goals nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
So I was really critical of that. So I think
Sarah Spain was a panel so she and I were
going back and forth at but I was also thinking,
you know, this is what women's sports needs. You need
like actual sports debates as opposed to just he isn't
(47:47):
great that women are participating. And obviously Caitlin Clark brought
that in with the WNBA because on our show, we
you know, last year there was a lot of good
stuff because you had the Olympics, you know, the men's
basketball and obviously Serbia semifinal was awesome. But you know,
we talked a lot about Caitlin Clark. She was just
a compelling figure. It's not something that we had to
(48:08):
force as you know, people just wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, no, I agree. It was the first time I've
been doing this, you know, over twenty years, and we
talked about all the time. It's the first time we've
ever had not had to force it and talk women's
women's sports and people it's interesting topics. Hey, Frank, great
stuff Thank you so much for joining us. Let's talk
in soon.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Hey, keep up with great work, Doug, I'll talk to
you
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both Sherman Oaks, California, and back in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Today.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. I watched the Pacers
beat the Knicks last night, and what a fun game,
right Like I was in and out in the first quarter,
(00:49):
and I flip back on it's like second quarter, both
teams with like seven minutes to go, like we're in
the fifties. I'm like, this is awesome right now, they're
on pace for like a buck forty. They didn't get there,
but still was a good watch. And at the end,
you know, Tyrese Haliburton ends up with the historic night
thirty two to twelve fifteen assists, zero turnovers, zero turnovers,
(01:14):
the most games in NBA history with thirty plus points,
fifteen plus assist and zero turn ernovers. He's the third
player in playoff history with thirty ten and fifteen, and
now he has the most playoff triple doubles in Pacers' history.
Tyres Alberton was great. Knicks weren't bad. They just couldn't
(01:35):
stop anybody. Obviously, they couldn't stop the Pacers. I don't
know about anybody else. No one else mattered last night,
and the Pacers take a commanding three games to one lead.
Series not over because you do potentially have two left
in New York. They obviously got to win five, and
then you know, six becomes anything the Knicks can do
to win a game on the road. We'll see. But
(01:55):
I thought about this today and I kind of want
to flush out with you guys. Okay, what if the
player's poll that was conducted could in fact be true
and it could be false now and you're like, wait,
(02:18):
that doesn't make any sense. Here's one of the things
that we struggle with as fans. We struggle with this
with politics as well, is we don't take into it.
We don't take context into account. Context is everything everything,
(02:43):
you know. I remember there were things that were said
about President Byen when he was running where they had
footage of him in I want to say, like early nineties,
maybe even late eighties in Congress, and the things that
he would pushing for now would be like super conservative agenda.
(03:06):
But we're not taking into account is that the times
like at the time he was pushing towards change that
we can't even imagine now or even go back historically,
Like when we went through that summer of was that
the summer of twenty one, right with all the protests
(03:27):
and you had people looking back at twenty summer twenty twenty, okay,
so that was COVID summer we had. We're looking back
looking back at historic figures and you know whether or
not they had slaves or you know how the Declaration
(03:47):
of Independence was written, and yeah, of course now you
can't view a human being as three fifths of a
human being, right, But the point is where they wanted
to get to as a society at the time was
super progressive. It's like all we take we looked through
(04:10):
the lens of yes we look through the lens of
today for yesterday, and that's not fair to yesterday. We
do it in sports right where we'll sit here and
we'll look at old tape of players basketball seventies or eighties, nineties,
and we'll say, you know, look at these guys. Now,
(04:30):
this guy was like a plumber. He had no chance
to compete against this guy. Well like, okay, they weren't
all plumbers, but even the guys that were plumbers, now
they'd make so much money. They wouldn't have to be plumbers.
They make so much money they could actually hire trainers.
Their diets better, their workouts are better. They start shooting threes.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
One of the things Steph Curry told me this once
when we talked about great three point shooters of all time.
He's like, I've never been on a basketball court that
there wasn't a three point line. Whereas you go back
to bird Dale, Ellis Heck, even Dell Curry, right when
they grew up, there was no three point line. It
was a learned trait and it wasn't embraced the way
(05:10):
it is now. So I say that because even within
a context of a year, if you asked me early
to mid year, who's the most overrated player in the league,
and I could say Tyrese Halbert. Why he had done
anything in the playoffs. He he runs his mouth, he
shoots wild shots. He benefits from the systems he played in.
(05:31):
You know, when he was in was in Sacramento, they
played fast. What he's in India, they play fast. You know.
None of those teams do anything in the playoffs and
it really matters. So he's overrated. Well, now he's playing
great in the conference finals, and you know it's easy
for him his mantra. Obviously, I'm not I'm show you
(05:52):
that I'm not overrated, and that's great. But it's also
possible that at the time in which the question was asked,
he was considered an overrated player. He's an all star,
but he hadn't done anything, and what anything, Jase dou
Am not making sense to you.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I think you explained it well there. So I do
understand your question. I just I don't I don't agree
with it. I do think that this is this was
a poll of decision makers, team builders, GMS. I don't
think he would have been the most overrated. I think
the people that matter care about his value to a team.
I think when you get into these these anonymous players poll,
(06:31):
I think people just take out their like personal grievances
in these polls, and I think he's done a lot
to piss fellow players off. Whatever he does, he's that
guy at work that maybe he can't help it, but
he just annoys the crap out of you. And I
think maybe that was why he was voted overrated.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So he's the Sam.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Oh, come on, I wasn't going to say his name
on the air. We will clean that up into this.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
He's the Sam?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is that? Is that?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
What it is?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
You? Ever?
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You haven't worked with everybody here. I feel like there's
more annoying people than me. I can be annoying, for sure,
but it's more of like a joyful annoyance.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know, that's exactly how uh you perceived joyful annoyance. Yes,
I'm kidding of still, but but this is it's it's
really interesting.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Does that make sense? So if they were to do
the poll today, don't you think the players would would
vote the same way?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Or No?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm thinking about how.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
The guys in the NBA. What makes it over there?
Do I think?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Like what exact cause, like I know his Olympic minutes,
he wasn't happy with that and he was he had
kind of an injury last year he was working through,
and then the slow start this past season.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
He didn't say he wasn't happy with his Olympic bins.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Well, I read it. I read a piece online.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
He he only played like twenty six twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I'm sure he wasn't happy.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They raided with that.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, yeah, okay, are we going to take you out
and take Steff out and put you in?
Speaker 5 (08:05):
No? I'm not.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
I'm not calling into question the coaching decisions, but I
think his his profile kind of sagged a little bit
over the last maybe six to eight months, and now
he's he's like showing everybody, Yeah, I'm I'm Johnny Klutch here.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I I just think he hadn't played in meaningful games
and NBA players don't care about what you do.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
They didn't get to the Eastern Conference finals last year,
didn't they. I mean, he's done some some playoff work.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
That's Correctstern Conference finals last year, yep.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
But again, I'm the perception he wasn't having this level
of impact and playing this well. And I'd say, also
maybe it's the Eastern Conference finals because usually the guy
who's who gets the most overrated thing is the is
Trey Young, and Trey Young's terrific. But Trey Young doesn't
(08:53):
play championship level the events. He has been to one
conference finals. And maybe it's because of the shy and
that Trey Young gets or the shoes or the attention
or the scoring or the passing or whatever, and people
are paying attention to the defense. I don't know, but
usually it's a Trey Young award. I don't think he
would be the most overrated player now I do think
(09:14):
he has earned some respect. And yet again, here's where
both can be true. Jase, You're right. I think he's
pissed a lot of people off. I think he runs
his mouth a ton. I think that's how he plays.
I think that's how he gets the most out of himself.
I think, in a noise the hell out of his opponent.
But now they're winning, So what are you gonna actually
say about him? What are you gonna say about him?
You know you can call him whenever you want, overrated?
(09:36):
Just who cares his team keeps winning games. Here's Tyrese
Halibert when he was asked about his historic performance after
the game.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
The most combination, point, rebounds, assists, steals, with no turnovers
in a game ever.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
You know, ever, what is that? Did you know that?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
And what is that like to do that? I mean,
I didn't know that. I feel like we were making
upstats at as point to make me look better. But
I think I'm just trying to play the right way, man,
I just want to impact winning.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Look, Litsten, it's a great answer, and I do think
he wants to impact winning. I think it's an awesome player.
But and I also agree with you. Now we're just
making up stats, but those are pretty obscene stats. By
the way, his dad got to watch him in person.
Here's Halberton talking about his dad.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that
was tough for you, and just if there were some
emotions about having him back in here tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Emotions.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
No.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys here,
Like my dad is just fine. Like he lives just fine.
He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home,
or he finds his way in some sports bar with
a bunch of Pacer fans. My dad is doing just fine.
I think there was obviously a lot of commentary around him,
(10:57):
especially right after which I think someone was warranted, went
a little too far. But I mean that's just sports.
That's just sports, and that's just talking heads.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think his dad was
the au dad that was over the top. I thought
he handled it. I thought Tyree's handled it really well
where he's like, hey, don't feel bad for him, he's
watching a really nice house. Yeah. I think Halliburton is
one of those guys. There's two things that come to
(11:28):
my mind when I watched Tyre's Halburton and frankly tonight.
If Oklahoma City closed them out, which is going back
to that discussion we had yesterday, this will look historically
like a complete outlier finals. It'll look historically like the
final four we had a couple of years ago with
Florida Atlantic and San Diego State. You know, we had Miami.
(11:51):
You know, you're like what, But I think there's a
world where we circle back to this six seven years
from now and Oklahoma City has won a couple of titles,
and Haliburton is a is a what's it called when
you're an All Star, you're all You're All Star offender
(12:11):
all the time, you know, just just an All star
point guard in the East where it won't feel like
we'll look back and say, yeah, it wasn't that crazy
at series, because this one reminds me a lot of
It reminds me the three Spurs and Nets, right Spurs Nets,
(12:34):
which was the lowest rated NBA Finals or is the
lowest rated NBA finals of all time, and this one
will probably beat that. Maybe not because ESPN ABC they
know how to stir up some ratings dust out of nothing.
But I think much like if we look back on
those Spurs teams and you're like, wow, they had Steve
(12:57):
Kerr and Steve Smith that year, and they had obviously
Tim Duncan and the makings of a team that that
was their second championship. And then you look at even
the Nets, they had Jason Kidd and Kenyon Martin and others,
but Jason Kidd end up becoming, you know, an NBA champion,
NBA champion later with the Dallas Mavericks. The point is,
(13:18):
when you looked at it as just those team names,
it looks really strange and people didn't watch. But then
when you get down to it, both teams were really
talented and the substance out of it was something something
very real.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It reminds me and I think people watched the series
because Lebron was in it, but so it doesn't it's
not similar in that respect. But I do remember specifically
having a conversation in the wake of Golden State's first championship,
and I remember my host at the time said, this
was a team with no Hall of famers. Maybe Steph
(13:53):
Curry makes the Hall of Fame that won this championship,
And I'm like, how do you know? I at that point, Clay, Tom,
Draymond Green, Harrison Barnes was a big part of that team,
and I'm like, they're so young and this team is
so in its infancy of greatness, how do you know?
And then so you fast forward what ten years and
Draymond and Clay are hall of famers.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
No, yes, yes, you're completely right. That's that's one hundred
percent accurate. That's exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Buyer brought this up too, like, you look back and
it might be the start of something great. Maybe right
now we're like, eh, we're the seven different champions in
seven years, but this could be the start of something.
Right now, we just know we haven't had enough time
elapsed to look back and be like, oh that was
a significant time.
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Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay there, Jay stew topics.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
What do you want on the group text today that
exactly none of you responded to I throughout two for
the Midway today, y'all, we could share our thoughts on
inside the NBA as it is. Its current entity is
saying goodbye or my preferred topic, because there's so many
(17:29):
ways to go with this. Allegations of the hateful taunts
that was found unsubstantiated. How dangerous is this? Has the
damage been done? Should allegations like this go punished if
they are considered false? As per Jesse Smolette found out,
(17:52):
what do you guys like? I mean, we don't have
a female perspective on the show every day, so I
figured maybe that would be good for that.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yeah, month, let's let month to choose. Do you want
to choose? Yes, yes, choose.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I'm going to go with your preferred topic. Then producer
Jason wisely the preferred topic of these allegations of comments noises.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Okay, good, I like this topic a lot. Okay. So
the question is right from from Jason that you'd like
you'd like to put out there to the rest of
the show crew and to anybody wants to tweet us
at Gottlieb Show. I g the same is, should you
punish someone who makes up these allegations when the allegations
(18:41):
are clearly false?
Speaker 8 (18:42):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
You know what we should do? You know what we
should do?
Speaker 2 (18:45):
What?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
What's the name of the woman analyst on ESPN that
does the NBA and w NBA's at Cheney. Yeah, okay,
so can we play this as just some context to
this conversation. Yes, I guess she came out the day
after the allegations that weird part where the WNBA is like,
we're gonna, we're gonna investigate, and then everybody's like, I
(19:07):
love the investigation. It's great that we're investigating. This hate
has no room in our game. You know that very
inauthentic messaging. Right after the allegations. Well, I guess this
analyst went on and started to rip on fans of
the fever and how this can't it's can't happen in
(19:28):
the games. Well, she kind of had to take things
back on social media yesterday.
Speaker 8 (19:33):
Hey, everybody, I'm sure you've seen the WNBA statement on
the investigation, and I want to address this with the
same energy I did the first time, because if you
really know me, I always try my absolute best to
uplift the WNBA, to celebrate the amazing players, the coaches,
and of course the fans. That is something that is
at the core of everything.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
That I do.
Speaker 8 (19:52):
But if you know me, you know I'm not afraid
to say I can do better. I am sorry that
my message was in the heat of the moment, because
when I initially spoke on a topic, it really came
from a place of care. It was based on firsthand
conversations with people very close to the situation who raised
real concerns, and they told me what they had experienced,
and I felt like it was important and it was
necessary to acknowledge those allegations and also voice those experiences.
(20:16):
Now in the process, however, I totally recognize that it
may have impacted fans in a way that I did
not intend, and I am sorry.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
People just always forget that words have consequences, huh, Like
the most basic of things. Words have consequences, And I
don't know, people forget that, I hope, So I hope
that it's that they forget and it's not just straight
up ignoring it. I hope that it's that they forget.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I really do.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
But I guess that's me hoping for the best. The
only I just want to know where this came from,
because I want to know if, like someone said, you know,
how people start talking and egging each other on. Did
somebody go to Angel Rees and say, did you hear
what did you hear that, and maybe angel Rees didn't
(21:06):
hear anything, but you keep saying that to her and
her surrounding.
Speaker 9 (21:11):
People are like, no, we heard it.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
You start to believe it even because you think people
are telling you the truth.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Like I just the biggest issue with it, that's the
biggest issue with this thing is apparently what happened was
it was pulled off of Twitter where somebody heard them
booing and thought they heard something. And stop caring what
nobody's think on Twitter. Stop it. Nobody cares about you
(21:37):
and your conspiracy thoughts. You have to have common sense.
I know it's not that common. I got it, Okay,
I'm fully aware that common sense is not common. But
a WNBA game is not a place where racial epith
racial language is going to be used. It's just not okay,
use your head. Really, it's the most diverse league in
(22:02):
terms of race and sexuality of any okay, and it's
all women. So like, do you think for one second
you have to think logically, Think logically, okay, that the
league that honestly is fairly unwelcoming to straight people. And
(22:26):
I think that's part of the discussion over Caitlin Clark.
But the league that has been fighting for attention because, hey,
in this era of diversity, in this era where women
should be empowered, we have a women empowered sports league
that's been going on for twenty five years. It's diverse racially,
it's the verse religion wise, it's the verse sexually. You
(22:48):
can't get any better. This is the WNBA. Is what
every university looks for on their brochure, right, how you
got women for all over, different colors. They're beautiful, beautiful,
different races, different hairstyles or whatever, different sexuality. Like, that's
every college brochure ever. Is the WNBA. Do you think
for one second somebody's gonna be yelling out something at
(23:09):
Caitlin Clark, I mean not Kaitlin Clark, or you're nott
Caitlin Clark, or at at Angel Reese and no one's
gonna say anything. But this is what happens when we
pay attention to people that don't matter on X and again,
this is where the whole new Twitter thing lost everybody.
It used to be people with blue checks. You'd earn
that blue check based upon your status. Now you can
(23:30):
buy the blue check or you don't buy the blue check,
which I don't right that you're just a you're a
Twitter handle. You can buy up followers to make yourself
see more important. You're not important. Stop paying attention to
people that aren't important.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
You can buy ads, you can you can take your
take and you can boost it with the ex These
ads on X are so stupid. It's like someone says
something and they're like, yeah, I want to put this
out to the world, so they pay for it to
be put into your timeline or your feed, and you're like,
I didn't ask for this. It's just money going to
Elon Musk, so he'll just take it and run with it.
(24:01):
It's absurd. It's it's worse. X is worse than Twitter's
worst that's ever been. Sorry Elan, but it's it's a
cesspool of bs. That's a different subject. I guess they
cross over a little bit. But okay, so Sam, you
of everybody here. Actually Montsey's a big fan too. But
(24:22):
you you take up for the WNBA, You take up
for Kitlin Clark. This incident included Kaitlyn Clark. I will
say this. Remember right when it happened and the w
NBA said we're launching an investigation. Everybody jumped on board.
They were very supportive of the investigation. Caitlin Clark said,
you know what, it was really loud. I didn't hear anything,
but I'm glad they're investigating the head coach of the
(24:43):
sky or What's Chicago. Yeah, he said he was too loud.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
He didn't hear it. He was coaching. When they went
to Angel Reese and they're like, what did you hear,
she wouldn't say what she heard, and more importantly, she
didn't say I didn't hear anything. She just kind of
left it out there. She added fuel to this investigation.
I'm glad they're investigating. So, Sam, you're you're a big
WNBA guy. What did you think about the way this
(25:11):
played out? You had said initially that the damage is
kind of done already, right to the fans of the fever.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, just opening an investigation at all kind of puts
a stain on all of this. I thought at the
beginning that it wouldn't turn up anything, and lo and behold,
it did not turn up anything. Listen, I think, I mean,
I think for a long time a lot of human history,
women have been the victims of sexual violence, and they're
allowed to obviously, like where you post Me Too movement,
(25:41):
so like women should be believed, but there are cases
where it's abused, and whether it's racial taunting or allegations
of sexual violence, there's gonna be bad actors in there.
I'm not saying anybody in the sky did this.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
We just just too much, like almost feels like there's
too much gossip involved and you're talking.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's the problem with the league. That's the problem with
the league. That's the problem with this league is they
think everybody's out to get them, and everybody talk. You know,
it's like nobody we don't care that much to be
out to get you.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Apparently wasn't even Angel Reese. It was someone else on
the team who thought they heard something. But I think
I think also though women men's sports, booing heckling is
just more accepted.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And oh stop it. This is the this is mar Monsey.
You and I have discussed this before. Okay, this is
the problem with women's sports. You want to be considered
a real legitimate sports enterprise, but you also want to
be protected class.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Saying that I'm saying, I'm not saying that they shouldn't
be booed or heckled. I'm just saying that they shouldn't be.
Speaker 9 (26:52):
And the thing is, like, this is how it is
you want to be a professional athlete. Booing is part
of it. They've never experienced it and they don't know
how to handle it, But in reality, like this is normal,
and the fact that they think that they shouldn't get
those boos is kind of silly.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Yeah, I'm just saying up until this point, in the
last two years, men and men's sports have dealt with
booing and heckling more and they've just moved on with it.
Speaker 7 (27:14):
And it's just because no one was paying attention to
the WNBA.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Way that they are now.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
You know, you're not gonna see a lot of booing
and heckling at a field hockey tournament, a women's field
hockey tournament, or like a softball tournament. There's just not
as much of it. So maybe when women encounter this
stuff they take it personally. They don't know how to
react to it, they don't know how to let it
just roll off their shoulders, so it turns into a
whole personal attack thing. And it's just sort of part
of the game of being a professional athlete. Ors people
(27:39):
certainly aren't doing female athletes at the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I don't think I would hope not. They shouldn't be
doing men either, But there's just not.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Been a lot of heckling and kind of rough critiquing
in women's sports up until maybe now.
Speaker 7 (27:52):
Right because nobody was really watching.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Well people are the purists were watching, but they were like,
that's the smartest Yes, there's a Listen. There's different circles
mixing now in the WNBA. There are there are people
that didn't follow women's sports at all, and they just like, oh,
Kaitlyn Clarks, she's.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Okay, so showstopper. Let's get back to Jason's question. Can
you punish people who make false accusations.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Over the last twenty four hours, the kind of the
right wing influencers, someone who was a host on this
network at some point is in the forefront of this.
They're comparing this to Jesse Smolette, in other words, he
was punished when that thing was determined a hoax and
he made it up to dissuade things like this from happening.
(28:39):
Should there be more messaging from the WNBA today saying
that we're going to punish if things are alleged and
found unfounded.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
I feel like they are getting punished in the court
of public opinion.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, it's gonna be hard to actually punish them, I
mean yeah, but I think it's happening. It is happening.
Speaker 7 (28:56):
Yeah, it's just not to the degree of of the guy.
Speaker 9 (29:01):
But I think that the w NBA, I think Angel Reese,
they're all getting punished by the by the court of
public opinion.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Yeah, the report coming back and saying we didn't find anything.
It's it's embarrassing, Okay. I think the thing with Jesse
Smollett is he hired two guys like them up right,
Like this is like a real plot to make him
look better in make him look like a victim or something.
And you know, to my knowledge, nobody on the sky
hired you know, uh, hecklers to come in and you
(29:29):
know what they call it, paid paid protesters. Like I
don't I've never believed in that. I don't think that's
a real thing, and certainly not a thing that happened
in that Fever game.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I don't believe.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Doug.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
If if you're found guilty of creating a hoax and
making an entire fan base, UH have to answer questions
about whether or not they're racist. And and by the way,
it doesn't actually matter that nothing was discovered. There are
people that have predetermined probably prior to this, but this
only becomes confirmation that because Indiana perception wise has a
(30:05):
white fan base, more white players play there, they have
to all be racist, right, And all this does is
feed into it. Yes, absolutely, if you can find out
who created this hoax, punish them, Punish them and embarrass them,
because it's embarrassing how the perception they have created or
that they have given confirmation bias to in regards to
fans in Indiana.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I just I just want to say, I don't know
if that's even possible, because there's you're you can always
just say, ah, you know, I heard something in the crowd,
and and you know, you're like you kind of have
the benefit of the doubt. Like even if you were wrong,
you said, well, there should be an investigation open, but
I don't have I don't have unequivocal evidence to support this,
(30:48):
but there might be something there, so you should look
into it. So if it comes back with yeah, we
didn't really find anything, nothing came up, that's hard to
punish that they're calling into people into question people's motives
and what they're what they're really acting on behalf of
I just I think that they're just gonna move on
with this and say, all right, we did this. Nothing
came up in their story.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
No, here's what happens. Most people go There's a portion
of people that go up. They're like, here's the boy
who cried wolf with with with the women of the
w NBA. And then there's a percentage of people that
are like, it's just they don't want they don't want
to find the truth. They don't want to find the truth.
They know those fans are racist. You've created more division,
(31:29):
not any sort of cohesion.
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Speaker 1 (31:46):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Did you
guys hear this? Chris Finch is the coach of the
Minnesota Timberwolves. He said this about he was talking about
you know, coaches have done this for long time, right,
They try and manipulate the officials to the media. I
do thinks there's a lot of truth in what he's saying.
(32:06):
This is Chris Finch talking about how Oklahoma City guards
Anthony Edwards off the basketball.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
I think we could have been a little bit more
physical ourselves. Yeah, I think off ball they were super handsy.
I saw a lot of off ball contact.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
You know.
Speaker 10 (32:21):
Their off ball defense was largely focused on and you know,
trying to trying to jam him up and keep him
from being able to get the ball in clean space.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You know.
Speaker 10 (32:32):
I find it also a little interesting that throughout the
entire series there I can't remember an off ball foul
that's been called after four games, which is kind of unique.
So that's just a speaks volume of the credit to
their off ball defense.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
So yeah, I mean, listen, he's he's saying what we
all see when people say, hey, games officiated totally differently.
That's what they mean. That's what the mean. And yeah,
they're officiated totally differently. They are they're grabbing, they're holding.
It's like the nineteen nineties when you're off the basketball.
(33:10):
And you know, look, what Shade benefits from is people
have a they either I think most people don't understand,
and I think people that cover the game either don't
understand or aren't being totally honest about it. So what
they've tried to cut back on is, yeah, they tried
(33:32):
to have freedom of movement, let guys catch, but in
the playoffs they've often let it be a grab and
hold contest till you get the basketball. Now, the Thunder
grab a hold probably more than anybody because they have
a greater depth of numbers. If you call foul for them, fine,
they'll put somebody else in. They'll be fine. But the
true point of emphasis is protecting both the shooter and
(33:56):
the ball handler. The shooter, if you get touched, you
get vouled, and the ball handler actually ends up being
in a position where they can create contact, create space
for themselves. And that's what Shay does, right, He's constantly
like doing the Heisman leading with his off arm. So
Shaye benefits from the rules and how there how the
(34:21):
fouls are called in the regular season in the playoffs,
and the point of focus of those rules. You're better
off having the basketball than your hands. Now, Oklahoma City
tried to do what I mean, excuse me, Minnesota tried
to do what Oklahoma City does where they jam up
the paint and load it up. You know on on
Shay and his teammates hit more shots and they had
(34:44):
a little bit better plan off Anthony Edwards, who's more
of a pure score not a creator for other people.
But he's not wrong and everybody knows it. And some
of that had been changed by the officiating, but some
of that is getting away from what officials are really
trying to cut back on is, which is, you know,
banging into a ball handler, and that's where Shake creates
(35:06):
those fouls, real or fictitious. It stug out lib Show,
Fox Sports Radio. You're him on serious XMNBA radio. You've
read him for years, you watched him on TV. He's
Frank Iola, he joins us and Frank let's let's let's
just start with the Knicks. I mean, look, you know
(35:27):
your work in New York is synonymous with the Knicks,
and they've been so disappointing for so long. If it
ends in you know, five or six, how would you
characterize this season?
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Oh, I think it's I think it would have to
be successful. You're not. You won fifty games, first time
in thirty years that you won fifty games, and back
to back season he got to a conference finals for
the first time. In twenty five years you knocked up
the depending champs. I get it, it would be disappointing
that he lose to the Indianafa that the Pacers aren't
a bit of a role right now. They've played really
well against Cleveland in the second round of taking that
(36:05):
won sixty four games. You know, Rick Carlo does an
outstanding job, So I get it it would be a disappointment,
But considering what the Knicks have done for the last
quarter century, I don't know how Nick fans could call
it a failure. I mean, it would be a disappointment,
but certainly not a failure.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
What's gone so wrong for them in this series.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
It's strange, right because you know, you look at Brunson
and Towns together, and the Knicks won fifty one games
during the regular season. But against this team, the Knicks
game aren't effective. With both of them on the court,
they're really getting exposed. Eventially, they've actually been better with
one all, you know, staggering their minutes a bit. I
think the pace that Indiana is playing at is affecting
(36:46):
the Knicks. But let's also face it, Doug, you know
that you go back to that game one, you know,
the Knicks should have won that game. It's just like
Cleveland should have won Game two at home and Boston
should have won Game two. And once you lose a
game like that that you should have won on it's
almost as if it was a win, but you still
have to beat them four more times. So all that
you're doing from that point on is kind of chasing
(37:07):
the series. I mean, think about this. The Knicks were
up nine with fifty eight seconds to go in Game one,
and it wasn't as if Indiana scored nine unanswered points
to tie the game up. The Knicks scored four more points,
so Indiana had to go on a thirteen to four
run on the last fifty eight seconds just to get
the overtime. And of course that amazing shot by Tyrus Halivern.
(37:29):
So that was a bit of a freak show. And
I think you know, they were the better team, but
not when it really mattered most. So I don't think
they've ever really recovered from that game.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
No, I would. I would tend to agree with you.
What does it mean for the NBA that we're again
on the brink of Oklahoma City versus Indy Right in
terms of lack of name brands in the in the championship.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, I think there was a point in years to
go when the San Antonio Spurs made it, and it's
before they won titles and people think, oh, really the
San Antonio Spurs and people want that market in there.
Then they became a bit of a brand. So, you know,
you do with all the people that complained that the
sports talk shows all they talk about, you know, is
Lebron James and the Lakers and some of some of
the names like that. I think for people like basketball,
(38:18):
it'll be a lot of fun. I mean, whoever wins
the title. I know, I'm talking about Oklahoma City, I
know they won, as you know, the Seattle Superson it's
to be the first time for either organization. I think
Indiana would be a great thing. I mean they have
a great tradition, you know, during their ABA days, they
have a great tradition, certainly in the nineties with Reggie Miller,
Donny wallsh running things, Larry Brown as a coach, eventually
(38:39):
Larry Bird as the coach. I think for people that
like basketball, they're gonna appreciate it. You know, if people
want the big names like that, you know, they want
the Lakers in the Celtics, Well, tell those teams to win,
because I don't. I'm not going to have a problem
with it. I think I think it'll be a lot
of fun. It's fan bases that are really passionate, and
if it turns out to be Oklahoma City or and Indiana,
it's gonna be pretty because you're going to get a
(39:00):
team that's going to be raising a batter for the
first time.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Tyrese Haliburton, how would you classify his his his status?
You know, he's the players only vote had him as
the most overrated player. He's he just had a trouble
double with no turnovers. He had the you know, he
had the the step back two that was, you know,
(39:25):
a half inch from being a three in Game one.
He had some theatrics in comeback some previous series. How
would you characterize his his status as a star?
Speaker 2 (39:35):
You know it interest in us. So last night he
was the first play INNBA history. Yeah, thirty five, you know,
thirty plus points, fifteen plus assists, twelve plus rebounds, five
made five may three pointers in no terms. That includes
every game that includes play with some regular seasons. So
he did something historic last night. But you know, you're
in a business where you know you're not afraid to
(39:58):
you know, attach your name your opinion, and you hear
this all the time from players when they hear off
the record comments, but tell the person to put their
name on it. If I get votes for you know,
all NBA MVP and all that stuff, and you are
who votes revealed. I find it interesting that they have this,
you know, anonymous player hole, and these guys are voting
(40:19):
Tyre's halliburt and overrated. I would love to know who
some of the guys are that voted him as overrated.
Have they been the back to that conference finals? Have
they uh, you know, have they been an All Star?
Have they won even a playoff series yet? So I
actually I was always of the belief, and we talked
about on the show a lot over the past six weeks.
And so now Indiana's kind of been an underrated team
(40:40):
this season because you know, they did in fifty games.
Only four teams in the East want fifty more games.
Indiana was one of them, and I think, you know,
they kind of stuck up on people after the year
that they had last season. So I think they're underrated.
I think Tyres Haliburt is underrated. I think that poll
that you mentioned. Ever since that came out, he's had
some really good moments. He was outstanding against Cleveland and
(41:02):
right now he's one of the shots of the playoffs,
if it's not the shot of the playoffs. In game
one at the end of regulation like you just mentioned before,
against the next how.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Crazy is it that he did it. Reggie Miller's calling
the game and he does the choke sign to him.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
No, you could tell that Reggie Miller loved every minute
of it. I've been in the building for some of
those Reggie Miller moments and you know, to his credit,
and this is what I like about Tyrus Alibert. You
know his father was out of line. That's what he did,
to be honest. And Tyrus comes out right after the
game and says, listen, I talked to my father. He
shouldn't have done that. And even in that moment, like
he gives the chokes on, he thought his foot was
behind the three point line. And he even admitted after
(41:37):
the game, I would have looked silly if we didn't
win the game. And to the credit, you know, you
tied the game up, and they you know, they had
the toughness both mentally and physically to finish it off.
But you know, it's funny, he's got a lot of
Reggie Miller in him from this standpoint, body type somewhat similar,
but like they're not afraid of the moment and they're
not afraid to kind of be the villain. And they
(41:58):
know that people are taking all these kinds of shots
to Adam, But I think he kind of thrives on that.
And I think, you know, the crowd getting on him
in New York is part of it. I think the
player's saying that he's overrated is part of it. Like
you know, as the kids like to say, he's about
that life. He really is. Like he doesn't he doesn't
back down from challenges. And I think going into the
game yesterday, I think a lot of people going, all right,
(42:19):
Tyre Shener really played well in games two and three,
and you know they need a Tyres Halliburton game. Well
guess what they got a Tyres Halliburton game last night.
He was pretty gone good.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
He was really, really really good. It is interesting you
point out the Spurs because that's what I think of
Glahoma City is. I think they're awesome. I think they're
defensive minded, you know. I think they like each other.
I think they're well coached, and I don't think people
are going to embrace them no matter how good they are.
And it's a shame because they're really, really good, but
(42:50):
we're going to make them out to be some sort
of alternative champion where they they won more games regular
season everybody else. If they win the NBA Championship, well
then they won more post city games of anybody else.
I don't under I don't understand it. What about Shaye
Do you think he's use the league's VP?
Speaker 2 (43:09):
All right? So I do have a vote. I voted
for Takoya Jokics. I just felt like ten years from
now when we look back at the voting and I
didn't vote for the guy that had a triple double.
And now listen when Shay's off the court of Oklahoma
City and you know, him being off the court and
on the court is actually pretty close to what Jokic is.
I just didn't feel like, you know, Jokics has yet
to play with a with an All Star and his
(43:29):
primed obviously Jaylen Williams this year became an All Star,
and chet Holmgren is right on the customer doing. I
thought Jacobins Alexander, you know, was terrific. I think, you know,
maybe I want to get to my own rule with
the sixty eight wins, because I do put a lot
of stock in the winning. But then people say, well,
how come you guys didn't make Jason Datam last year?
Vote him first or second when the Suffet went the
(43:50):
league in wins. But I like what Oklahoma City has
done this year. I give Shay credit in some of
these big moments. I think the game where they really
grew up and where he grew up was Game four
on the road in Denver. They were down to one
in the series. They entered the fourth coarter on the
road trailing. They lose that game, they fall behind three
to one, they won that fourth quarter, they won the game.
(44:12):
And then even though they didn't play well in Game
five and really Denvershire won Game five, they win that
game and then they have the blowout in Game seven.
So kind of like in all these big moments, he's delivered,
and let's see what happens tonight. Because you remember the
last time, Okay chance to close out a team at
home and go to the Western Conference Finals was Game six,
which ended up being Kevin Durant's final game in the
(44:34):
Oklahoma City uniform. They were up three to one. They
were up. Remember they were bigger that fourth quarter than
Russell Westbrook than Kevin Durant. So they turned the ball
over left and right. So this is a really really
big you know, and you know how this works. I
mean you could say, oh, well, if they don't win
game five, they game seven, honey. Yeah, that stuff, it's true,
but you know, you got to take your chances when
you get them. And I think Oklahoma City I think
they kind of understand that. So I think, you know,
(44:57):
them understanding what's at stake, and also Anthony everards nderstanding
what's at stake too.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
I think it's going to make for a terrific game
to that Frank awesome stuff real quick.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
You know, you have the serious X Them NBA radio show,
Boston Celtics. Do they move Jalen Brown.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
You know, it's interesting, you know, because I do the
show with sky Labrainey, so he's really locked into all
things Boston. I wonder if Tadum didn't get hurt, maybe
that was something that they would consider. He makes a
lot of the money. But you know Brown, you know
this whole thing about being like the guy in your
own team. Well, guess what, next year he's going to
get it the way that the way that Brad Stevens spoke,
(45:36):
I would tend to say no, but something is going
to happen with that team because they are spending a
lot of money. But if you're also the new owner,
you know, Walston is defined by winning championships. So if
you're gonna be the new owner, you're gonna buy the Celtics,
you better be willing to spend the money when they
have a championship team. I think at least of this year,
I think Jaylen Brown, I think Jaylen Brown still be
on the team.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
All right, great stuff, man, let's talk again as the
NBA Finals get ready to tip off. In the meantime,
appreciate your work. Oh hey, I forgot that you run
some of those at the end of the Around the
Horn era of shows. Yeah, were you on the first
Round the Horn?
Speaker 2 (46:15):
No, No, I came. I was actually the first New
York based reporter that they had on the show. So
I think I mean I made my debut in twelve
I think it was September of twenty twelve, so I
made it for about thirteen years, so I was like
the first New York based reporter that they held. I
ended up being on the last show, so that you know,
(46:35):
there weren't we had. They had eight of us on
the show, so I guess when all things ended, I
was like the eighth longest tenured pals. But then again
that's not true too because Zachie mcmullum was gone. They
brought some people back, but you know, they were really
nice to get the people over there.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I was. It ended up being a cool show.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
It just.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
You know, there were people that separated themselves. Was there
ever a what's the most interesting moment you can recall
that people didn't see on air?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (47:05):
There was.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
There was a lot of stuff, and you know, like
the debate got really intense. You know, I would say
during Colin Kaepernick. Obviously there was a lot of intense stuff.
I always say this though. One of the best ones
we had was, you know, after the US women beat
Thailand and soccer thirteen nothing. Yeah, and I remember that
I didn't care about the goals because you know, they
(47:27):
do count go differential At some point in the tournament.
I just I thought it was out of line that
the celebrations were over the top for like goals nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
So I was really critical of that. So I think
Sarah Spain was a panel so she and I were
going back and forth at but I was also thinking,
you know, this is what women's sports needs. You need
like actual sports debates as opposed to just he isn't
(47:47):
great that women are participating. And obviously Caitlin Clark brought
that in with the WNBA because on our show, we
you know, last year there was a lot of good
stuff because you had the Olympics, you know, the men's
basketball and obviously Serbia semifinal was awesome. But you know,
we talked a lot about Caitlin Clark. She was just
a compelling figure. It's not something that we had to
(48:08):
force as you know, people just wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, no, I agree. It was the first time I've
been doing this, you know, over twenty years, and we
talked about all the time. It's the first time we've
ever had not had to force it and talk women's
women's sports and people it's interesting topics. Hey, Frank, great
stuff Thank you so much for joining us. Let's talk
in soon.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Hey, keep up with great work, Doug, I'll talk to
you
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