June 4, 2025 • 50 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the breaking news about the Suns and weighs in on the NBA Finals.
On this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about comments made by Adam Silver.
Doug gives out the most likely candidates for who will replace Tom Thibodeau as head coach of the Knicks. Doug welcomes seven-time NBA champion Robert Horry onto the show to talk about his career and the NBA Finals.
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first segment, but let's get you ready for the NBA
Finals throughout the show. But also let's talk about what
the Suns done. Okay, so two different stories in one.
The Sons hired Jordan Ought and it looks like they're
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going to trade, Kevin Durant, So why does this all
make sense? First, Kevin Rant, I mean you have topped
doubt and he is no longer at the peak of
his powers. We're all okay saying that doesn't mean he
has no value, but he has reached the peak of
his powers without any question. He's not going to be
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an MVP ever again in the NBA, and that's okay.
He's had a verse ballot Hall of Fame career and
no one's going to argue with any of that. But
the Jordan not thing is really interesting, right. An assistant
with the Cavskas had a great season and though they
fell short in the playoffs, and again, part of that
is the NIXT story. And I think one of the
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reasons that Knicks made their change was in their mind
the Celtics weren't healthy. Plus they needed two miracle comebacks
to beat the Celtics, and then they never played the Calves.
So you're not exactly matching up with the best of
the best in the East and you still couldn't get
to the finals. Again, I'm not saying I agree with it,
but that's the philosophy. Ott used to work for Michigan
State he was. He was a video coordinator and grad
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assistant and the owner of the Phoenix Suns was a
walk on at Michigan State. And of course he hires
a Michigan State guy. He hires somebody that is those
signs off on. It's really not that hard to track
these things, and it's it's always interesting to me on
how we try and make things about what they're not about,
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Which is why you know Karl, Anthony Towns and Jalen
Brunson ended up with the Knicks to begin with, is
they were Leon Rose clients. And so when Leon Rose
got the job, everyone knew by at some point in
time Carl Towns Coarnthony Towns, who grew up close and
was a Leon Rose a client, was going to be
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with the Knicks. And the same thing would happen with
Jalen Brunson. So when things go bad with Carl Towns
Canthony Towns in the playoffs, the coach goes. The player
does not why because the player has the relationship and
players are harder to find than coaches are hard to find.
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For aut he now has the relationship, and because he's
not a huge name, he won't command a huge salary,
but that'll probably buy him extra time in terms of
reforming the Phoenix Suns. You know, I was told a
long time ago, and I'm sure you've heard the expression
business is not about what you know, it's about who
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you know. And I guess some really good friends that
say it's all about relationships, and it truly is. And
that's how Jordan not who's good at what he does.
I'm not telling you he's not good at what it does.
But could you have picked him out of a lineup? No,
in any other world in the NBA, is he a
top candidate. He's a candidate. But the reason he got
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it he's a spartan. And the Michigan State spartan is
going to hire a Michigan State spartan because that's worked.
That's all they know. That's that's what works. It's about
the right things that play the right style, and if
you melded to a little bit more of a professional
style offense with better players, you'll be okay. Right, So
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Jordan Notchranu's coach of the Sons. And then the other
part to Kevin Durant is it's your probably your most
movable piece. They're in love with Devin Booker there. Not
exactly sure why, but he's your most movable piece, and
he's a little bit longer the tooth, and he's had
multiple injuries and he can he knows he's going to
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be moved. It's not that hard. A compo doesn't make
it the right move, but it's the move that they're
going to make. All right, More on that to come
here on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Let me get to the NBA Finals, So team minus
one day. And I don't like prediction radio. Neither does
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neither does Jase too nor even preview radio.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I don't love this guy's got to get this many
shots and this has got like a basketball game is
so unique unto itself. You can't tell who's gonna be
in foul trouble, how they're gonna guard you, what the
game is gonna be like, are you gonna make it
first couple of shots? If you make your first couple
of shots and you're a twenty a game guy, well
then you should go for forty. If you miss your
first ten shots, well then you should stop shooting. So
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I don't do that. What I do think, though, is
that you have to change how you look at you
change how you look at If you look at it
as who's gonna be the best superstar in it, it
probably be say he'll be the most consistent. But based
upon how these two teams are built, they have multiple scores, weapons,
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they went off their defense. They win in transition, they
have they have a lot of different guys who can
give you a little something different. And I don't know
what the next five years the NBA looks like with
the new collective Bartner agreement coming online, and I'm not
willing to say this is absolutely the way of the
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current and near future. But that's what happens in sports,
That's what happens in business. If somebody is successful, then
they copy what somebody has done to be successful, right.
I mean Mark Dagnol, he's the head coach of the
of the Thunder. He was their G League head coach,
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so he's been in the organization, he's risen through the organization.
And then oh yeah, by the way, he brought back
Alex Cruso who played for him in the G League
way back when. If they win the title, why wouldn't
she build it the way that Oklahoma City has built it,
you know, through picks, through your own sprinkling, a couple
of pieces that have a working knowledge of your head coach,
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a head coach who doesn't carry around the ego of
some of these former players their head coaches, and you go, now,
Rick Carlisle a little different. He's been doing a long time.
He's been an NBA coach forever. He's the NBA player
in his own right. He's very offensive minded. They play fast,
they play fluid. He's won a lot of different places.
If he wins it, we're gonna make it. We'll probably
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make the You know, it's because of all the experience
of Rick Carlisle has that they were able to be successful.
And there'll be some people that copy that. That's how
business works, that's how sports works. You take something that's
being successful and you may tweak the name, you may
tweak a little bit of the style. You may go
mcdowells as supposed to McDonald's. You may figure out some way,
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but you copy it. And I kind of hope the
Pacers win this thing, not because I don't. I think
the Thunder will win it. I think the Thunder are better,
and I like the way the Thunder do something. But
the way the Pacers play, the pace by which they play,
I think it makes for an exciting product. It allows
you to play more players, which keyscore players happy. And again,
going back to it, it's a better, more watchable brand
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of NBA basketball. NBA basketball has the type of image
that reality shows have. Reality shows can be nice and
sincere and sweet. But if you say that couple has
a reality show, you would think all of them are
like that couple that just got released from prison after
defrauding people of thirty six million dollars right where nothing
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they say appears to be real nothing. But not all
reality shows are like that. Some of them are nice,
sweet stories of nice sweet people. All right, let's get
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you got the press for you and I just, you know, so,
we had this YouTube channel you can watch clips of
our show. I'm just super bummed that I'm not getting
I'm not getting to see the you know what eating
grin on the face of Jason Stewart because after taking
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two of three from the Yankees, you know, then they
lost what Sunday to the Yankees, they lose Monday and
extra innings to the Mets, and last night's baseball was fun.
Two nights in a row of extra innings baseball, especially
against the Mets. When you know at Schebez at the Ravine,
all the New Yorkers come out and it's just a
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great crowd. Best part is two more games against the Mets.
But the grin, I'm I wish I had the you
know what eating grin? Sam? Is that how Jason Sewart
has been walking around all day kind of that cat
they ate the canary. Look.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I looked over him and he had sort of a
weird facial expression. Yeah, for the most part, we'll say
beas Yeah, figure, Yes, he's been grinning.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yes, I mean two guys, Max Munsey, as we previously discussed.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, you are single handedly responsible for his research.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
He's exercised his demon. And then last night was the
night that Tanner Scott exercised his demon. And by exercise demon,
I mean he actually got a couple outs because he
hasn't been able to do that. He's not a closer,
Remember Andrew Friedman. He thinks he's smarter than you, so
he's never going to tell you that he has a closer.
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He's going to be the first GM to win without
a closer. But he paid Tanner Scott like a closer
and Tanner Scott has been just dreadful. So yeah, he
got the win. Last night, we're or the save. I
don't know Tanner picked it up. But could we pay
off a tease before we get into the midway?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
So the group text is Isaac, Sam, Doug and me.
Before the show, I threw out the idea for the midway.
Now I'm going to ask you, Doug, just give me
your honest answer. Don't google it, don't look it up.
And Sam, you can't. You can't taint these waters here.
Do you know what a nos feruto is?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
No, no idea.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Let's say correctly.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Hold Isaac, okay, well we.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Have to say it correctly. You're misleading. It's no sparatu.
Do you know what no s ferratu is, Isaac?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
He is a backup defenceman on the Florida Panthers.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
No, I don't. Okay, so that makes over three No,
no clue. I have never heard of the term. No.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
No, I had no idea. What that is?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Not one of these things that you don't know about,
but you kind of have clues as to what it
could be referred to. I was completely lost.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I just thought It was that part in a group
discussion where Sam meant to send it to a different
group text, so you just ignore it. But I threw
out the idea from midway. It goes like this, Uh, well,
the NBA ever created finals that mirrors the Super Bowl?
As per Adam Silver saying this on Breakfast Ball today.
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And Sam goes to the group text and says, nos ferrutu,
No Saratu appears.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
In the sunlight.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
M hm, So what what? What are things that appear
in the sunlight that usually don't nocturnal animals? Vampires, vampires?
There you go, and no s Faratu is a vampire.
It goes back about one hundred years the original No
s Faratu movie. And I was making a joke about
Adam Silver's appearance, maybe a crass one, but zero for
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three guys. Oh boy, but we got Mike coming in. Mike,
have you ever heard of nos Faratu?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, and he Mike knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Let's get the big guys, Adam Silver for years to
my defense here, thank you, Mike.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Sorry about that little technical issue there.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, the problem with that is that it's such an
I feel like it's an obscure rac.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Except that a No. Sparatu movie remake came out last
year too much of ice. So now Sam's insulting enough
for not being I'm gonna send a picture of the
original No. S Farati and you guys can tell me
if there's any similarities there. So the the original No.
S Feratu very scary looking guy. It was a It
might have been a silent film, but it was made
in the early twenties. And No, I mean Adam Silver
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might might not appear in the sun very often. He
might be a vampire, or he might just look like
No Saratu.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
That reference sailed over me as if I was the
uprights on a Cameron dicker Field goal attempt.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
All right, it was lost on you, guys. I just
thought you knew who No s Faratu was.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm trying to think. I just on the group text.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Do you recognize this person? I sent to the group text. No,
Doug's okay, So Doug sent Emperor Palpatine, which I don't
mind that. But Adam Silver is not wrinkly like Palpatine,
and you can't see the top of Palpatine's head, so
I would say No Saratu, get it's a slight nod.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
So not only did he did he he declined to
apologize for making a joke that now he's insulting you,
Doug for your contribution.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
I mean, I always appreciate people adding things, even if
you know, like Brad Doug had the nice Brad Stevens
edition here, it was like, yeah, yeah it works, but
you know, we'll just we'll talk about it.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
He back for Brad Stevens. Man, you have to listen
to every minute of every show.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Guys, what was the really it was Lurch? Is that
his name from them? Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, from the Adam Stanley.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, no, you're thinking of Uncle Fester. Well, Lurch had hair.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He was just Uncle Fester didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Uncle Fester is bald, and but he was more of
a portly guy. So I guess Adam Silver might. And listen,
I'm not I'm being we're being mean, but we're just
making a joke. Adam Silver might be across between Uncle
Fester and Lurch because Lurch is very tall, but he
had hair, and he had sort of the pale demeanor.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
It is clear that Adam Silver might need some more
He might need to take a Vitamin C supplement is
that fair.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
He might need a steak, maybe.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
D Vitamin D.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Sorry, yeah, he might need some zinc and some protein.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean, anybody, I'll get you back. I mean, you
can never have too much vitamin C. You just pee
it out if you have too much.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Anyway, right, I'll just take your word for it.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
But okay, Yeah, and you know, Adam Silver Silver probably
healthier human being than I am.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So yeah, he's like a marathon guy.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yeah, he's so. We're just we're just cracking. Why is
cracking here? There you go? Yep, Uncle Fester play the
best Uncle faster was I thought played by you know,
Christopher Lloyd because I love those movies from the early nineties.
But there you go. We got I think we nailed
it down. Now, you guys know who know s faratu
is and we have compiled several celebrities to uh to
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the composition of Adam Silver.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
I will say this though, on all future exchanges on
this particular text exchange, I will now reply with the
most obscures your possible reference that none of you will understand.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
The original is not obscure. It's a pretty well known
you guys just didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
How much money did the Moven make last year. Well,
I don't how much Google how much money did the
movie make?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
The movie came out.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And j J STU, I get that. Your friend's talking
the money.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The money. How hold on, I'm not talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I am because you're saying you basically said, we're a
bunch of dopes. Everybody knows who knows frautu is, and
we're the only three human men. It seemed like we're
the only three human beings on earth that don't know
what knows fraud to is. I mean, you may be right,
you may be right. This may be part of pop
culture where we're just we are, grumpy old man, get
off our log.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And Mike is sending us a text where someone compares
Adam Silver and knows frat to the nineteen twenties versions
side by side. Thank you. Mike is in my corner here.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Of course he is, because he's the one who's You're
you're like copying his reference.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Uh No, he's he's just saying that, Oh my god,
look at all the no Sparatus side by sides here
if you just google it, Oh my god. So yeah,
I'd say, you guys were a bit in the dark,
kind of like no Sfaratu, kind of like Adam Silver
in a vampire. I'm just saying, I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
We're just really making fun of Adam Silver's teeth.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
If it's No s Faratu his teeth, all right, I
those has some real He.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Is an odd looking dude, right, I don't think anybody
anybody would uh would argue with that one. That's an
odd looking dude.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Speaking of Adam Silver, that takes us to the Midwest.
He's not getting the middle with you.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
It's time for the.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, the Midway. What's the topic today?
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Jay stut Adam Silver.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Two people in the world refer to him as nose Faratu,
said this on Breakfast Ball.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
That's one thing I really admire about the NFL. I mean,
if if we were going into a Super Bowl and
it was Packers against Steelers, you guys would be celebrating that.
Nobody would Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be
talking about markets. You know the fact that Pittsburgh is
a small market. So we in fact, you know, I'm
happy whatever team ends up in the finals. But it's
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been intentional from our standpoint. To create a system, a
collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete. And
just by way of background, you know, we're going to
have to go through a process of getting to the
point where people are accustomed to tuning into the finals
because it's the two teams that deserve to be there
and it's the best basketball. Similar to again with the
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super Bowl. If I asked somebody they were going to
watch the super Bowl, they wouldn't say who's playing. It's
a national holiday and now that's nirvana, you know. Yet
that I'm not saying we're anywhere close to that yet.
There's still if the Knicks are in the finals, there's
a segment of our fan base that's going to watch
that may not watch if it's other teams. But my
job is to get people to love and follow this
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game and so that if you're a huge basketball fan,
you should want to tune into the finals because that's
the best basketball.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That part is fair. That part is fair, and I
thought the unfair part, or the of twoce part is
the well, you know small markets is Green Bay and Pittsburgh,
like those are two of their greatest historical franchises in
the history of the sport. Oh yeah, by the way,
the Thunder have been around for less than twenty years
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and the Pacers were an ABA team, so it's just
not the same comparison. But I do love aw He's
ambitious and trying to trying to adjust to the sports
fan of today, which is is definitely needed, definitely needed.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
So your answer is no, the NBA Finals could never
become another Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
No, No, I think it's in the summer.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's it's in the summer at seven game Eames.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yep, it's not a single day. No, it's not on
a Sunday, although a game might fall on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean, I I there was a world there where
Kobe and Lebron never matched up in the finals.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Should lou Hols just take over your body for a
second there, I'm sorry, No, I just.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Had a yawn and I'm not tired. I apologize. Chase
Stu got on me. If you're yawning previously, I'm like,
I'm awake.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
You just got the green light to do a lou
Holtz impression.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Hey, you know, I'm sorry guys.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And super Bowl, but you did you know you take
mag the Cuba boat you needed Doug bad note to
Dame and you make me Oh that's cub I'll.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Just quote somebody that we all are very intimately aware of.
My man, if you're followed to sleep in the year,
your listeners sure are.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
No, he was Hols. Hey, here's what what you actually
kind of triggered my thought.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
For comparison, ohlo was triggered.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
In a good way for compare and purposes. What previous
NBA Finals matchup came closest to that sort of aspirations
the Bengo That's exactly where I was going. That kind
of captured the imagination of the nation for a two
week span, and that's exactly what I thought. Celtics Lakers,
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Bulls Lakers in ninety one, and to this day, the
highest rated NBA Finals matchup involved a team from Utah.
It was Game six of the Bulls Utah Jazz Series
in nineteen ninety eight. What it was thirty three point
one million viewers I think for that one.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So what those that was based on George of course?
Speaker 7 (22:44):
And the last dance sure.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well not it wasn't the last dance of the time.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Oh no, it was. It was They knew it was
the last dance at the time or at the very
least it was most likely the last dance.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Most likely, but you know, I don't I don't remember
tuning into that finals going like this is the last
time I'm going to see you. You know again. Most
people thought it was likely, but we didn't know.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
So what parameters would be needed to give the best
possible shot of the NBA rivaling the Super Bowl hype?
It would be a great compelling superstar on each team,
a great compelling story haven't won it in fifty years
like the Knicks, a raucous home crowd. Maybe that's maybe
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that's not as important, but you're looking at you're looking
at basically two things, superstars and storylines.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I just think I think it's a complete fools errand
to ever, if you're a commissioner of a sport compare
yourself to the NFL. The way the NFL resonates with
Americans will never be matched. And if I think it
was wish at him to go to the comparison, because
now talk radio is making the comparison, and I would
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say ten out of ten talk radio hosts and analysts
are saying it'll never become the super Bowl. People love
gambling on football. Wives love sitting with their husbands and
watching football. There just are there are little things that
this intangible things that will never be able to grasp
for why this sport is so popular and the NBA
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is woefully in second place in that And.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Would you guys feel that perhaps you could even make
the argument that NBA All Star Weekend is a closer
super Bowl esque vibe than the NBA Finals are, not
in terms of TV ratings, but as a destination, almost
like an event, a convention and an event. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I don't know if this has been brought up yet.
I apologize if it has. But also Adam Silver talked
about quote unquote small markets like Pittsburgh Green Bay. Uh,
those two franchises in the NFL have a combined like
how many championships between them? And said so that oh
you did, okay, I must have been xated on. A
commissioner knows, we'll clean it up.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I wasn't the one that I wasn't the one
who was sleeping.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I was so excited.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
And Adam sober he's been I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Hey, listen, I'll do a twick man cope on nos fat.
One hundred and one million dollars is nothing to uh
to thumb your nose fara at clever look again I
have I actually truly appreciate Jay Stu's honesty because he's
(25:47):
in search of whatever the opposite of b S is.
He carried with him a huge negative bias towards the
NBA into the season, and I didn't plead with him,
but I made the case that it's a much better
watch than you think, just like baseball is a way
better watch. Now the numbers have not turned around to
match that, although they were better last year because you
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had Yankees and Dodgers, right, So I again, it won't
be We're not gonna have obviously this year super Bowl
like numbers. I don't think in the near future. There
is the only way you get there is if you
have the biggest names in the sport, probably in some
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with the historical franchises, right, historical franchises, and you need
to have an epic series. Because if I said, hey,
will the World Series ever be a Super Bowl? You
would say, no, you idiot, it's not close. But I've
been doing sports radio long enough so to have I
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know Jay stew you and Ilo when the when I
first started doing it, Yankees Red Sox was everything. It
was even the World Series, it was everything. And every
game for those two years, oh yeah, was everything. So
you can absolutely have that type of it'll never be
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the corporate thing because it's you know, the weekend set
what blah blah blah blah. But you can be gigantic.
But we never got Kobe and Lebron. That would have
been this generation's Jordan.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Bird now magic Bird too.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, I mean Magic Bird. And we also, you know,
we also don't have college rivalries in basketball anymore because
nobody says long enough in college and the European players
are are leaving. So if you had you did have
Lebron and Steph and KD multiple years in a row,
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that was as close as you would have gotten. But
I think it's never going to happen, at least in
the very near future.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Okay, Doug. For comparison purposes, Oh right.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Now you can comparison go ahead, well.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Okay, yeah, real quick. For comparison purposes, Let's say that
from a basketball standpoint, this year's NBA Finals is superb
go seven games, great individual performances, buzzer beaters. Will that
help make it respectable in the ratings? Or is the
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rioting already on the wall, Because I'll go back to
this nineteen ninety one World Series, the Twins and Braves
to at least one, you know, relatively mid or small
market team, not a lot of super duper stars, although
they were stars, but they are the best top one
of the best, top to bottom seven game World series
ever wound up averaging thirty five million viewers. If this
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year's NBA Finals from a basketball standpoint, completely sells out
in terms of excitement and individual performances and goes seven,
will that make a difference in the ratings nationally? Or
has that basically already been set?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I think it's already been set me too. It's
already been set, and that is the Midway.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
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There's some new reporting on the next firing of Tom
Sibido right, and uk, I think all this stuff is
(29:47):
super interesting. You know, I did read what set Davis tweeted.
I've been working with Jay Wright on TV for three years.
Based on every conversation we've had, I would say that
there's a greater chance that I will be the Knicks
head coach than him. The difference is if they call me,
I will say yes, Uh, that sounds great and I
(30:08):
love Seth. But if you're if you're a basketball guy,
if you're an East Coast guy. The idea and it
has lured many people before. The guy who wins the
title with the Knicks will be celebrated, unlike any head
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coach in the NBA, any head coach in the NBA.
And I agree. I've talked to Jay as well. I
think Jay likes his life. I think it's a great life,
but he doesn't. We don't want to go back to
college because college is not the same, right, College is
not the same, and it's just it's not what it
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used to be when he was there. Doesn't mean he
wouldn't win, and the guy win no matter what he does.
But he also can make fifteen or twenty million dollars
a year like there's no salary cap on coaches. You know,
I have to like Jim Dolan, but he's a billionaire
and he can write whatever check he wants, per league sources,
NIXT relieved Tom Thibodeau of his duties after the team
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reces from conference finals for the first time in twenty
five years, but failed to defance the NBA Finals with
the goal of winning a championship. League sources told The
Athletic that this organization needed a new voice and it was
the first step in the process of reaching those heights.
Those sources said it was a decision made by team
president Leon Rose with the backing of owner James Dolan. So,
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you know, I've had people ask me all the time, like, well,
what did you think of TIB's rotations? Look, Tom Thibodeau's
coach in the NBA for as long as I've been alive,
and I get that. It's really cool to sit here
and go like, why'd you sub this guy? And why
did you love that guy? And this guy had success?
And Okay, if you didn't know that Tibbs doesn't play
(32:03):
his bench, I don't know what to tell you. I
know he has not won an NBA title yet he's
also not had an NBA championship caliber team, and this
one was a flawed team as well. Did he do
the perfect coaching job? No, but they they had gotten
better every year, They went further in the playoffs every year,
and they got to the first teams conference finals in
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twenty five years. So I'm not exactly sure what we're
looking for in terms of some sort of magic cure,
magic elixer. Did Jay Wright thing makes sense because he's
got three former villainov A wild Cats, three guys that'll
immediately buy in. And that's what you got to be
worried about, because no matter who they bring in, everyone
else was brought in under Tibb's watch, and Tibbs signed
off on it. So now you got a new guy,
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new people, and is he gonna bring his own players
per se, just like we're talking about James Ott, right,
he's a Michigan State guy. He was brought in because
the owners of Michigan State guy, and everybody brings in
their own people, and you have a really good chance
of upsetting the apple cart when you have a new
head coach that brings in his own people. When he
signed Jay Wright, he doesn't have to bring in his
own people. His own people already there. So are you
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I still think Jeff Van Gundy is out there as
a candidate. Obviously, Mike Malone's a possible candidate. Those are
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three really good candidates. Van Gundy coach in the league.
This year covered the league forever been in New York,
went to it, He went went to a finals. Malone
won a championship, and Jay Wright won to national championships.
Has three former players on the team and is beloved
in basketball. And you know, again the offense in the
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style would be different, but the simplicity of how he
does things. Now, the one thing that Jay would run
into is, you know, he's so big on attitude. If
you've ever been to their practices, they're like machines. It's
an amazing practice. I don't think that works in the NBA,
and I'd be interested to see how it would be
implemented in terms of how they're kind of programmed to act,
to act, to work and to play together as a team.
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That part would be really interesting.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And I can't think of anybody else who is a
candid because you can't fire a coach because he hasn't
been successful in the NBA playss for a coach that
hasn't been successful in the NBA plass or in championship basketball?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Yes, Sammy, what about like Brad Stevens. They could lure
him away from the Celtics front office.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So he's the president, he makes all the decisions, and
he wants to be the coach and work for somebody else.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Who I'm just throwing it out there. That's why the
offers of analysis I wanted from you.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
He's just saying, would I hire Would I hire Brad
Stevens if I get him? Yes? But why would Brad Stevens,
who kicked himself upstairs to the presidency and won an
NBA championship and probably feels like you're healthy, they could
have won another one? Why would he Why would that
be the job that he takes.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
That's not a New Yorker point.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
We are you gonna say Therese too.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
I know you've had experience, whether it be in your
coaches room or in your your own business broadcast business.
But when the leader of the meeting says, hey, I'm
taking all ideas here, no such thing is a bad idea.
I think Sam just proved like sometimes there is such
thing as that, and you know, maybe it's just not
worthy of discussion.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't think that's not worthy of discussion. No, no, I
don't think that's not worth of discussion. I'm not and
and and Sam. I know sometimes I appear and dismissive.
I'm just saying, like, no.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
You were listed all the reasons why he wouldn't leave.
He's always a name that comes up, so I I
just thought.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, he's always name. It comes up at Indiana because
he's from Indiana, and people who are like, what's Indiana?
So of course you want to coach Indiana And he's like, yeah,
coach the butler went to two National Championship games, like
NBA is way better and the other part too. It
is like he's a legit husband, father. He likes to
be home. That's one of the reasons he didn't want
to coach anymore. So I don't think he wants the
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noise in the nonsense of being a next coach. I
could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
He has a nine to five job. Yeah, he makes
plenty of money, he's winning championships.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I think he's good.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
He just the only thing I can think of is
that he has like a thirsty desire to coach players again.
But he kind of does.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
If he has the thirst desire to coach players again, yeah,
that's possible. I don't think that would be the place
to do it, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
I just can't.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
The cliche there's no such thing as bad ideas, I
think is oh yeah, I think there's always is such
thing as.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Though, there's definitely such thing as bad ideas.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
And then also the people that say doesn't hurt to ask, No,
it actually does hurt to ask, Like if if you're
if your relationship with the person becomes compromised because you
just asked them to do something, was it worth it? No,
it does hurt to ask, Like, hey, doesn't hurt to ask,
And then all of a sudden when they are being
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called in and compromised relationships and no, I'm never gonna
buy it doesn't hurt to ask.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I don't think anything was injured or damage because I
threw Brad Stevens's name out.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
No, no, no, I'm onto.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
A totally different he's on a whole different time.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
I'm way off on the subject.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
What you did was it's like a personal no. No,
it's like the lawyer who says, like, basically like you
open the door with that line of questioning. Oh, you
open the door, your honor. Yeah, so you open the
door to the discussion about brainstorming brainstorming sessions where somebody says,
no such thing as a bad idea, and then the
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second they say that, somebody raised their hands says, hey,
what about it's just outside the box. What about colonizing uranus? Right,
which of course makes people say uranus, which makes everybody laugh,
which the hand't actually happened because it's not anyway, there
are bad ideas.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
And then the second one was was a totally different topic.
And recently the guy, the kid from Penn State that
was drafted second overall, he asked Lawrence Taylor for his number,
and he probably did it under the premise of, hey,
doesn't hurt to ask, doesn'tsk But it does because your
reputation for you look foolish for asking kid.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
But you don't get what you don't ask for you
have to try it.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Obviously Sam is a proponent of it doesn't hurt to ask,
which is fine.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Okay, let's do this. Let uh, let's circle back to this.
We got a good midway coming up as well. Big
Shot Bob, I believe is calling in here momentarily for
me that Let's get you a quick update here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Isaac, It's
(38:56):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And there
is no man on earth more synonymous with Championship NBA
Basketball than our next guest. He's known as Big Shot Bob.
We'll just call it Robert or we'll get formal. Seven
time NBA champion, two with the Rockets, three with the Lakers,
two with the Spurs. And he's here courtesy of bet Online.
(39:17):
She got bet online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props. Uh, Robert,
thanks so much for taking time. Your first NBA Finals
was against two.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
So was that the oj.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
One Game three?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So okay, so let's go before the series right because
because that was the no Jordan in the league year
New York finally broke through. Okay, you had you had Dream,
Kenny Smith, what do you remember about getting ready for
that series?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I just remember how tough it was.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
You then we went down two to the Phoenix Suns
and we had to come back and go in the
road and win. And it was just the way we
were constructed. Was a defensive team. And I think we're
the only team that's probably won the NBA Championship that
at the time that only had one All Star, you know,
that was Dream. But we played really good defense. I
think we were top three defensively.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
In the league, and we were able to shut people down.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
And we had one of the best players in the league,
you know, MVP and a Chema Lodgemon. We just kind
of rolle his coattail to a championship. So it was
an amazing run.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what's
it likes? What was that first championship like? To win?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
It was weird because when I wanted I just kind
of like, oh, is.
Speaker 10 (40:45):
This what the NBA about? Because I was in my
second year and I was happy because you know, the
season was over. I can get some rest and then
I looked around and I realized I never even touched
the trophy, and I was like, oh crap, I.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Need to get back here and get so I can
touch the trophy.
Speaker 10 (40:59):
And it was just one of those moments where you
was you was so proud of yourself, but I was
more the type like, Oh, this is what dream played for,
this is what otis played for. You know, you know
Kenny Smith, Randon Maxley, these guys have been in the
league way longer than me. I just I just took
a step back and let them enjoy the moment. I
just watched because I just feel like I really deserved
to touch it because I hadn't been doing that long.
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It was just one of those experiences that could just
be shocked and you're just like, you don't know what
to do.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
To be honest, what was the most What was the
one that you won that if you look back, you're like,
I don't think we were that good, yet we still
won the title.
Speaker 10 (41:42):
It was ninety five, you know when we started. When
we started, I'm saying this a three or four times.
When we started small ball, we went down three runs
to the Phoenix Suns, and they moved me to small forward,
and then we won the series and went on to
sweep Orlando in the finals, and you look back and
you said, Okay, we had two great players in Clyde
Dresser and chem Olajae, and the way they played in
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the couple series, you know, both of them having forty
points against the Utah Jazz to win a game, and
the way we went down three to one, the scenes
and getting the way we just annihilated the Spurs. After
David Robinson won MVP and then we swept Orlando, He's like, like,
were we really that good? And you look back and
everybody self, Jordan would have been there, you wouldn't have one.
I'm like, y'all, forget Jordan got his butt beat by
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this by Orlando.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Matter it. He was back. He dropped the double nickel
that year on New York, so he was back. So
for us, just look at that year.
Speaker 10 (42:30):
I was like, oh, we won that. But every other year,
you know, with the Lakers were just beast and we
beat everybody. And the same thing with the Spurs, we
just betting everybody. So if I have to pick one,
is the ninety five?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Okay, let's go to the Lakers, right, I mean, the
shot against the Kings is one that There's lots of
shots you maybe the spurs and shots you made, but
for whatever reason, it feels like the one against the
Kings is a one that people point to the most.
Why do you think that.
Speaker 10 (42:57):
Is because they felt like we were if we lose
this game, we go down three one to the Kings,
and Kings had the best record in basketball that year.
You know, it was right there with Chris Webber, Doug Chrissy,
and Mike Bibbott. They had a really good team. You know,
they could beat anyone. We knew whoever won that game
was going to win win the NBA title. And I
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think for us and the pill was a game game
four knocking down that shot at home. Now you think
about it, the way I played against the Pistons in
two thousand and five, I didn't even talk about that
in the second half, but because I made a shot
in the Laker uniform in Staples at the time, it's
going to be talked about because one of the greatest
franchise in all of sports, and at home, you know,
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it was very significant in the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I should say, what's that like for everybody to know
you as big Shot Bop. I mean, honestly, what does
that feel like When people shout that out to you
and they see you walking by.
Speaker 10 (43:51):
It feels great, man, Because when you're a kid growing up,
you said you wanted the nickname, and when you you know,
you don't just come out and say, I'm calling myself
big shot. And if someone gives you the name and
it sticks, it.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Means a lot because it made it.
Speaker 10 (44:04):
Bits you know, you made it. You think about how
many songs my name has been mentioned, all the titles them,
and people, oh, bit chat, what's happening? You know, it
makes you feel good because there's a lot of guys
that I passed by and I'm like, damn, what's his
name again? But when you got a nickname that sticks,
you know. So now that I got a nickname that
kind of sticks, and I'm on the minds of a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, let's get rid of For this NBA Finals, you
got the thunder who they're a super young team, but
obviously super talented team, deep athletic, and I do think
it benefits them that they're going against a pacer team
that they're not super young, but they're they're not. It's
not like they're going against Lebron, Grizzly Vetts, guys that
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have been there, guys that get benefit of debt with calls.
What just tell me what your overall early thoughts are
on the matchup between the two teams.
Speaker 10 (44:54):
I think they're very similar. You know, if you put them,
you line them up, you think about who they have
and what team they're all similar. You know, check Honngery
shoots a lot of threes, and you got Miles Turner
who shoots a lot of threes. You got Obi Topping
who can jump out to gym. Then you got you know,
Jayalen Williams you can jump out of the down. You
got Lou Dorkin who played good defense. You got Siakam
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that can play defense. It's like you go down this
list of players, they're all pretty much evenly matching.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know.
Speaker 10 (45:20):
Okay, see just gets more fanfare because of the commercials
because SGA got you know, MVP, and they playing in
the West, and you always think the West is better,
but don't created this spacer team manters Hallibron who's playing
with a chip on this summer. You got nim Hart
who stepped into a role who can knock down some
big shots. A lot of guys on this team that
are really good. You think about what Nie Smith did
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and we hit like what eight nine threes against the Knicks,
So you never know what can happen. And I think
this space of team they played the best as far
as team orient and basketball. Someone every night is the leading score.
I think they play better than even okay see because
okay see, each and every night, you know who their
leading scorer is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
You know, you do you do?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
How?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
What do you what do you think about how he's officiated?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I hate it, I really do.
Speaker 10 (46:09):
I hate it because I hate when when when refs
give the benefit of the doubt to the offensive player.
If you come down and you bump into me and
all of a sudden's the foul. I do have a right.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
You know.
Speaker 10 (46:19):
It's no different than verticality. If I'm running along and
all of a sudden you run into me or something
of that nature. It's it's just bad Basketball's teaching kids.
It's like it's okay to bail yourself out. You know,
work for your shot, get your shot, you know, learn
how to get away from the player. And it's it's
just I just know that's the way he's been officiated.
It's no you know, you think about he's just James
(46:40):
hard to borrow, you know how he's able to manipulate
the reps and get to the regail line. But I
do hope that they figure out a way not to
just give these guys, you know, the line to the
free throw line because it's bad basketball. You know, you
always talk about you want the game to be fast paced.
All these bogus calls, and some of these players get
it's not just SGA. You know, you can go down
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a list to people, and so they need to find
some way to give the defense a little bit more
credit than taking it away from them.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, so all you have to do is check out
go to bed online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props.
Right now, the Thunder are minus sixty seventy the Pacers
are plus four ninety, so the Thunder are prohibitive favorites
to win this series. Robert Man, it's like any time
to talk hoop with you, it's awesome. But now we
get ready for the NBA Finals. I mean, that's your time,
(47:32):
really special, We really appreciate it. Thanks for spending the
time with us.
Speaker 10 (47:35):
No man, thank you for always having me on Man
big fan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Man, pleasures all ours. That's a big shotbout Robert Rory
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I'm trying to think in other sports, is there are
there other Robert Orri's, Jay stew and Sam like uh Ilo?
(48:09):
Are there other Robert Orri's? By that, I mean guys
that are synonymous with really good players, but they're known
for like that guy was. He's almost like a Where's
Waldo of championship teams? I totally forgot he was on
those first two Rockets championship teams, and the Spurs teams
and the Lakers teams, et cetera. Is there a Is
there a baseball or football version of that.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
Well, for basketball, Steve Kirr comes to mind, but other sports,
that's really interesting.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
I would offer up this, and each of them can
be disputed, so I'm not married to these. But Doug
gave us ten seconds of notice. Charles Haley, Mark Swareth,
Bill Romanowski. Good, Yeah, that's those are good.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Uh, that's pretty good. I did. I did give you
ten seconds there. That's pretty solid. Well, who are you
gonna say? You said Steve Kerr? Steve Kerr won two
or three?
Speaker 5 (49:04):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (49:05):
He?
Speaker 7 (49:05):
I mean he won at least four because he was
on the Spurs in ninety nine. I don't remember if
he was part of their two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
He was on the two thousand and three team.
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Okay, then was five.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
He was on two Bulls teams. I don't think he
was on all three.
Speaker 8 (49:18):
No, he was.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
He was on the last three. Yeah, so he was
on three with the Bulls and two with the Spurs.
So five total, yep.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Okay, five total? Okay? No base is there a baseball?
One baseball?
Speaker 7 (49:34):
Well yeah, but all with the Yankees probably.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Right, But like there's Cheeter and there's my Rever, Like
those guys are the top line stars. I'm talking about
a guy who's just a good player. Can't be just
like a role player?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Round wins some championships.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
Well, I mean he's in the Hall of Fame. But
Yogi Bear. But again, that was with one team.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
I'm not referring to the guy that was cooked by
his wife and slapped a comedian at the Oscars. But
there's a reliever named Will Smith. I think, yeah, Executive
World Series.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
He was on the Dodgers, and then who are the
other two he's on the Was he on the did
the Raise win?
Speaker 8 (50:10):
One was on the Dodgers Rangers?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
There was a different Will Smith on the Dodgers.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
Right, he's a catcher.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Okay, so I did have the right name. I had
the wrong player.
Speaker 8 (50:21):
Correct, the reliever Will Smith?
Speaker 7 (50:24):
Actually you could say Reggie Jackson. Three with the A's
and two with the Yankees. Perhaps, But he was also
a star Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Again, like it's a very unique thing, like a star
role player.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
How about the likes of Ramiro Mendoza and Chuck Knoblock.
How about Jeff Nelson.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Chuck New Kids on NA Block? You guys think of that?
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first segment, but let's get you ready for the NBA
Finals throughout the show. But also let's talk about what
the Suns done. Okay, so two different stories in one.
The Sons hired Jordan Ought and it looks like they're
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going to trade, Kevin Durant, So why does this all
make sense? First, Kevin Rant, I mean you have topped
doubt and he is no longer at the peak of
his powers. We're all okay saying that doesn't mean he
has no value, but he has reached the peak of
his powers without any question. He's not going to be
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an MVP ever again in the NBA, and that's okay.
He's had a verse ballot Hall of Fame career and
no one's going to argue with any of that. But
the Jordan not thing is really interesting, right. An assistant
with the Cavskas had a great season and though they
fell short in the playoffs, and again, part of that
is the NIXT story. And I think one of the
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reasons that Knicks made their change was in their mind
the Celtics weren't healthy. Plus they needed two miracle comebacks
to beat the Celtics, and then they never played the Calves.
So you're not exactly matching up with the best of
the best in the East and you still couldn't get
to the finals. Again, I'm not saying I agree with it,
but that's the philosophy. Ott used to work for Michigan
State he was. He was a video coordinator and grad
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assistant and the owner of the Phoenix Suns was a
walk on at Michigan State. And of course he hires
a Michigan State guy. He hires somebody that is those
signs off on. It's really not that hard to track
these things, and it's it's always interesting to me on
how we try and make things about what they're not about,
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Which is why you know Karl, Anthony Towns and Jalen
Brunson ended up with the Knicks to begin with, is
they were Leon Rose clients. And so when Leon Rose
got the job, everyone knew by at some point in
time Carl Towns Coarnthony Towns, who grew up close and
was a Leon Rose a client, was going to be
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with the Knicks. And the same thing would happen with
Jalen Brunson. So when things go bad with Carl Towns
Canthony Towns in the playoffs, the coach goes. The player
does not why because the player has the relationship and
players are harder to find than coaches are hard to find.
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For aut he now has the relationship, and because he's
not a huge name, he won't command a huge salary,
but that'll probably buy him extra time in terms of
reforming the Phoenix Suns. You know, I was told a
long time ago, and I'm sure you've heard the expression
business is not about what you know, it's about who
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you know. And I guess some really good friends that
say it's all about relationships, and it truly is. And
that's how Jordan not who's good at what he does.
I'm not telling you he's not good at what it does.
But could you have picked him out of a lineup? No,
in any other world in the NBA, is he a
top candidate. He's a candidate. But the reason he got
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it he's a spartan. And the Michigan State spartan is
going to hire a Michigan State spartan because that's worked.
That's all they know. That's that's what works. It's about
the right things that play the right style, and if
you melded to a little bit more of a professional
style offense with better players, you'll be okay. Right, So
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Jordan Notchranu's coach of the Sons. And then the other
part to Kevin Durant is it's your probably your most
movable piece. They're in love with Devin Booker there. Not
exactly sure why, but he's your most movable piece, and
he's a little bit longer the tooth, and he's had
multiple injuries and he can he knows he's going to
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be moved. It's not that hard. A compo doesn't make
it the right move, but it's the move that they're
going to make. All right, More on that to come
here on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Let me get to the NBA Finals, So team minus
one day. And I don't like prediction radio. Neither does
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neither does Jase too nor even preview radio.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I don't love this guy's got to get this many
shots and this has got like a basketball game is
so unique unto itself. You can't tell who's gonna be
in foul trouble, how they're gonna guard you, what the
game is gonna be like, are you gonna make it
first couple of shots? If you make your first couple
of shots and you're a twenty a game guy, well
then you should go for forty. If you miss your
first ten shots, well then you should stop shooting. So
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I don't do that. What I do think, though, is
that you have to change how you look at you
change how you look at If you look at it
as who's gonna be the best superstar in it, it
probably be say he'll be the most consistent. But based
upon how these two teams are built, they have multiple scores, weapons,
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they went off their defense. They win in transition, they
have they have a lot of different guys who can
give you a little something different. And I don't know
what the next five years the NBA looks like with
the new collective Bartner agreement coming online, and I'm not
willing to say this is absolutely the way of the
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current and near future. But that's what happens in sports,
That's what happens in business. If somebody is successful, then
they copy what somebody has done to be successful, right.
I mean Mark Dagnol, he's the head coach of the
of the Thunder. He was their G League head coach,
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so he's been in the organization, he's risen through the organization.
And then oh yeah, by the way, he brought back
Alex Cruso who played for him in the G League
way back when. If they win the title, why wouldn't
she build it the way that Oklahoma City has built it,
you know, through picks, through your own sprinkling, a couple
of pieces that have a working knowledge of your head coach,
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a head coach who doesn't carry around the ego of
some of these former players their head coaches, and you go, now,
Rick Carlisle a little different. He's been doing a long time.
He's been an NBA coach forever. He's the NBA player
in his own right. He's very offensive minded. They play fast,
they play fluid. He's won a lot of different places.
If he wins it, we're gonna make it. We'll probably
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make the You know, it's because of all the experience
of Rick Carlisle has that they were able to be successful.
And there'll be some people that copy that. That's how
business works, that's how sports works. You take something that's
being successful and you may tweak the name, you may
tweak a little bit of the style. You may go
mcdowells as supposed to McDonald's. You may figure out some way,
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but you copy it. And I kind of hope the
Pacers win this thing, not because I don't. I think
the Thunder will win it. I think the Thunder are better,
and I like the way the Thunder do something. But
the way the Pacers play, the pace by which they play,
I think it makes for an exciting product. It allows
you to play more players, which keyscore players happy. And again,
going back to it, it's a better, more watchable brand
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of NBA basketball. NBA basketball has the type of image
that reality shows have. Reality shows can be nice and
sincere and sweet. But if you say that couple has
a reality show, you would think all of them are
like that couple that just got released from prison after
defrauding people of thirty six million dollars right where nothing
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they say appears to be real nothing. But not all
reality shows are like that. Some of them are nice,
sweet stories of nice sweet people. All right, let's get
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you got the press for you and I just, you know, so,
we had this YouTube channel you can watch clips of
our show. I'm just super bummed that I'm not getting
I'm not getting to see the you know what eating
grin on the face of Jason Stewart because after taking
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two of three from the Yankees, you know, then they
lost what Sunday to the Yankees, they lose Monday and
extra innings to the Mets, and last night's baseball was fun.
Two nights in a row of extra innings baseball, especially
against the Mets. When you know at Schebez at the Ravine,
all the New Yorkers come out and it's just a
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great crowd. Best part is two more games against the Mets.
But the grin, I'm I wish I had the you
know what eating grin? Sam? Is that how Jason Sewart
has been walking around all day kind of that cat
they ate the canary. Look.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
I looked over him and he had sort of a
weird facial expression. Yeah, for the most part, we'll say
beas Yeah, figure, Yes, he's been grinning.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Yes, I mean two guys, Max Munsey, as we previously discussed.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yeah, you are single handedly responsible for his research.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
He's exercised his demon. And then last night was the
night that Tanner Scott exercised his demon. And by exercise demon,
I mean he actually got a couple outs because he
hasn't been able to do that. He's not a closer,
Remember Andrew Friedman. He thinks he's smarter than you, so
he's never going to tell you that he has a closer.
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He's going to be the first GM to win without
a closer. But he paid Tanner Scott like a closer
and Tanner Scott has been just dreadful. So yeah, he
got the win. Last night, we're or the save. I
don't know Tanner picked it up. But could we pay
off a tease before we get into the midway?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:52):
So the group text is Isaac, Sam, Doug and me.
Before the show, I threw out the idea for the midway.
Now I'm going to ask you, Doug, just give me
your honest answer. Don't google it, don't look it up.
And Sam, you can't. You can't taint these waters here.
Do you know what a nos feruto is?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
No, no idea.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Let's say correctly.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
Hold Isaac, okay, well we.
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Have to say it correctly. You're misleading. It's no sparatu.
Do you know what no s ferratu is, Isaac?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
He is a backup defenceman on the Florida Panthers.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
No, I don't. Okay, so that makes over three No,
no clue. I have never heard of the term. No.
Speaker 8 (12:36):
No, I had no idea. What that is?
Speaker 7 (12:38):
Not one of these things that you don't know about,
but you kind of have clues as to what it
could be referred to. I was completely lost.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
I just thought It was that part in a group
discussion where Sam meant to send it to a different
group text, so you just ignore it. But I threw
out the idea from midway. It goes like this, Uh, well,
the NBA ever created finals that mirrors the Super Bowl?
As per Adam Silver saying this on Breakfast Ball today.
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And Sam goes to the group text and says, nos ferrutu,
No Saratu appears.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
In the sunlight.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
M hm, So what what? What are things that appear
in the sunlight that usually don't nocturnal animals? Vampires, vampires?
There you go, and no s Faratu is a vampire.
It goes back about one hundred years the original No
s Faratu movie. And I was making a joke about
Adam Silver's appearance, maybe a crass one, but zero for
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three guys. Oh boy, but we got Mike coming in. Mike,
have you ever heard of nos Faratu?
Speaker 2 (13:42):
That?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, and he Mike knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
Let's get the big guys, Adam Silver for years to
my defense here, thank you, Mike.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Sorry about that little technical issue there.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, the problem with that is that it's such an
I feel like it's an obscure rac.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Except that a No. Sparatu movie remake came out last
year too much of ice. So now Sam's insulting enough
for not being I'm gonna send a picture of the
original No. S Farati and you guys can tell me
if there's any similarities there. So the the original No.
S Feratu very scary looking guy. It was a It
might have been a silent film, but it was made
in the early twenties. And No, I mean Adam Silver
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might might not appear in the sun very often. He
might be a vampire, or he might just look like
No Saratu.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
That reference sailed over me as if I was the
uprights on a Cameron dicker Field goal attempt.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
All right, it was lost on you, guys. I just
thought you knew who No s Faratu was.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
I'm trying to think. I just on the group text.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Do you recognize this person? I sent to the group text. No,
Doug's okay, So Doug sent Emperor Palpatine, which I don't
mind that. But Adam Silver is not wrinkly like Palpatine,
and you can't see the top of Palpatine's head, so
I would say No Saratu, get it's a slight nod.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
So not only did he did he he declined to
apologize for making a joke that now he's insulting you,
Doug for your contribution.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
I mean, I always appreciate people adding things, even if
you know, like Brad Doug had the nice Brad Stevens
edition here, it was like, yeah, yeah it works, but
you know, we'll just we'll talk about it.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
He back for Brad Stevens. Man, you have to listen
to every minute of every show.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Guys, what was the really it was Lurch? Is that
his name from them? Oh?
Speaker 7 (15:35):
Yeah, from the Adam Stanley.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, no, you're thinking of Uncle Fester. Well, Lurch had hair.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
He was just Uncle Fester didn't.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Uncle Fester is bald, and but he was more of
a portly guy. So I guess Adam Silver might. And listen,
I'm not I'm being we're being mean, but we're just
making a joke. Adam Silver might be across between Uncle
Fester and Lurch because Lurch is very tall, but he
had hair, and he had sort of the pale demeanor.
Speaker 7 (15:58):
It is clear that Adam Silver might need some more
He might need to take a Vitamin C supplement is
that fair.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
He might need a steak, maybe.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
D Vitamin D.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Sorry, yeah, he might need some zinc and some protein.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean, anybody, I'll get you back. I mean, you
can never have too much vitamin C. You just pee
it out if you have too much.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Anyway, right, I'll just take your word for it.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
But okay, Yeah, and you know, Adam Silver Silver probably
healthier human being than I am.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So yeah, he's like a marathon guy.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
Yeah, he's so. We're just we're just cracking. Why is
cracking here? There you go? Yep, Uncle Fester play the
best Uncle faster was I thought played by you know,
Christopher Lloyd because I love those movies from the early nineties.
But there you go. We got I think we nailed
it down. Now, you guys know who know s faratu
is and we have compiled several celebrities to uh to
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the composition of Adam Silver.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
I will say this though, on all future exchanges on
this particular text exchange, I will now reply with the
most obscures your possible reference that none of you will understand.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
The original is not obscure. It's a pretty well known
you guys just didn't know it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
How much money did the Moven make last year. Well,
I don't how much Google how much money did the
movie make?
Speaker 5 (17:17):
The movie came out.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
And j J STU, I get that. Your friend's talking
the money.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
The money. How hold on, I'm not talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
I am because you're saying you basically said, we're a
bunch of dopes. Everybody knows who knows frautu is, and
we're the only three human men. It seemed like we're
the only three human beings on earth that don't know
what knows fraud to is. I mean, you may be right,
you may be right. This may be part of pop
culture where we're just we are, grumpy old man, get
off our log.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And Mike is sending us a text where someone compares
Adam Silver and knows frat to the nineteen twenties versions
side by side. Thank you. Mike is in my corner here.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Of course he is, because he's the one who's You're
you're like copying his reference.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Uh No, he's he's just saying that, Oh my god,
look at all the no Sparatus side by sides here
if you just google it, Oh my god. So yeah,
I'd say, you guys were a bit in the dark,
kind of like no Sfaratu, kind of like Adam Silver
in a vampire. I'm just saying, I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
We're just really making fun of Adam Silver's teeth.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
If it's No s Faratu his teeth, all right, I
those has some real He.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Is an odd looking dude, right, I don't think anybody
anybody would uh would argue with that one. That's an
odd looking dude.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Speaking of Adam Silver, that takes us to the Midwest.
He's not getting the middle with you.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
It's time for the.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, the Midway. What's the topic today?
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Jay stut Adam Silver.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Two people in the world refer to him as nose Faratu,
said this on Breakfast Ball.
Speaker 9 (18:57):
That's one thing I really admire about the NFL. I mean,
if if we were going into a Super Bowl and
it was Packers against Steelers, you guys would be celebrating that.
Nobody would Those would be storied franchises. People wouldn't be
talking about markets. You know the fact that Pittsburgh is
a small market. So we in fact, you know, I'm
happy whatever team ends up in the finals. But it's
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been intentional from our standpoint. To create a system, a
collective bargaining agreement that allows more teams to compete. And
just by way of background, you know, we're going to
have to go through a process of getting to the
point where people are accustomed to tuning into the finals
because it's the two teams that deserve to be there
and it's the best basketball. Similar to again with the
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super Bowl. If I asked somebody they were going to
watch the super Bowl, they wouldn't say who's playing. It's
a national holiday and now that's nirvana, you know. Yet
that I'm not saying we're anywhere close to that yet.
There's still if the Knicks are in the finals, there's
a segment of our fan base that's going to watch
that may not watch if it's other teams. But my
job is to get people to love and follow this
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game and so that if you're a huge basketball fan,
you should want to tune into the finals because that's
the best basketball.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
That part is fair. That part is fair, and I
thought the unfair part, or the of twoce part is
the well, you know small markets is Green Bay and Pittsburgh,
like those are two of their greatest historical franchises in
the history of the sport. Oh yeah, by the way,
the Thunder have been around for less than twenty years
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and the Pacers were an ABA team, so it's just
not the same comparison. But I do love aw He's
ambitious and trying to trying to adjust to the sports
fan of today, which is is definitely needed, definitely needed.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
So your answer is no, the NBA Finals could never
become another Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
No, No, I think it's in the summer.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's it's in the summer at seven game Eames.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yep, it's not a single day. No, it's not on
a Sunday, although a game might fall on a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
I mean, I I there was a world there where
Kobe and Lebron never matched up in the finals.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Should lou Hols just take over your body for a
second there, I'm sorry, No, I just.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Had a yawn and I'm not tired. I apologize. Chase
Stu got on me. If you're yawning previously, I'm like,
I'm awake.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
You just got the green light to do a lou
Holtz impression.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
Hey, you know, I'm sorry guys.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And super Bowl, but you did you know you take
mag the Cuba boat you needed Doug bad note to
Dame and you make me Oh that's cub I'll.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Just quote somebody that we all are very intimately aware of.
My man, if you're followed to sleep in the year,
your listeners sure are.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
No, he was Hols. Hey, here's what what you actually
kind of triggered my thought.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
For comparison, ohlo was triggered.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
In a good way for compare and purposes. What previous
NBA Finals matchup came closest to that sort of aspirations
the Bengo That's exactly where I was going. That kind
of captured the imagination of the nation for a two
week span, and that's exactly what I thought. Celtics Lakers,
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Bulls Lakers in ninety one, and to this day, the
highest rated NBA Finals matchup involved a team from Utah.
It was Game six of the Bulls Utah Jazz Series
in nineteen ninety eight. What it was thirty three point
one million viewers I think for that one.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
So what those that was based on George of course?
Speaker 7 (22:44):
And the last dance sure.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Well not it wasn't the last dance of the time.
Speaker 7 (22:49):
Oh no, it was. It was They knew it was
the last dance at the time or at the very
least it was most likely the last dance.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Most likely, but you know, I don't I don't remember
tuning into that finals going like this is the last
time I'm going to see you. You know again. Most
people thought it was likely, but we didn't know.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
So what parameters would be needed to give the best
possible shot of the NBA rivaling the Super Bowl hype?
It would be a great compelling superstar on each team,
a great compelling story haven't won it in fifty years
like the Knicks, a raucous home crowd. Maybe that's maybe
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that's not as important, but you're looking at you're looking
at basically two things, superstars and storylines.
Speaker 6 (23:42):
I just think I think it's a complete fools errand
to ever, if you're a commissioner of a sport compare
yourself to the NFL. The way the NFL resonates with
Americans will never be matched. And if I think it
was wish at him to go to the comparison, because
now talk radio is making the comparison, and I would
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say ten out of ten talk radio hosts and analysts
are saying it'll never become the super Bowl. People love
gambling on football. Wives love sitting with their husbands and
watching football. There just are there are little things that
this intangible things that will never be able to grasp
for why this sport is so popular and the NBA
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is woefully in second place in that And.
Speaker 7 (24:32):
Would you guys feel that perhaps you could even make
the argument that NBA All Star Weekend is a closer
super Bowl esque vibe than the NBA Finals are, not
in terms of TV ratings, but as a destination, almost
like an event, a convention and an event. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
I don't know if this has been brought up yet.
I apologize if it has. But also Adam Silver talked
about quote unquote small markets like Pittsburgh Green Bay. Uh,
those two franchises in the NFL have a combined like
how many championships between them? And said so that oh
you did, okay, I must have been xated on. A
commissioner knows, we'll clean it up.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I wasn't the one that I wasn't the one
who was sleeping.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I wasn't sleeping.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
I was.
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I was so excited.
Speaker 8 (25:23):
And Adam sober he's been I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Hey, listen, I'll do a twick man cope on nos fat.
One hundred and one million dollars is nothing to uh
to thumb your nose fara at clever look again I
have I actually truly appreciate Jay Stu's honesty because he's
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in search of whatever the opposite of b S is.
He carried with him a huge negative bias towards the
NBA into the season, and I didn't plead with him,
but I made the case that it's a much better
watch than you think, just like baseball is a way
better watch. Now the numbers have not turned around to
match that, although they were better last year because you
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had Yankees and Dodgers, right, So I again, it won't
be We're not gonna have obviously this year super Bowl
like numbers. I don't think in the near future. There
is the only way you get there is if you
have the biggest names in the sport, probably in some
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with the historical franchises, right, historical franchises, and you need
to have an epic series. Because if I said, hey,
will the World Series ever be a Super Bowl? You
would say, no, you idiot, it's not close. But I've
been doing sports radio long enough so to have I
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know Jay stew you and Ilo when the when I
first started doing it, Yankees Red Sox was everything. It
was even the World Series, it was everything. And every
game for those two years, oh yeah, was everything. So
you can absolutely have that type of it'll never be
(27:13):
the corporate thing because it's you know, the weekend set
what blah blah blah blah. But you can be gigantic.
But we never got Kobe and Lebron. That would have
been this generation's Jordan.
Speaker 7 (27:25):
Bird now magic Bird too.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, I mean Magic Bird. And we also, you know,
we also don't have college rivalries in basketball anymore because
nobody says long enough in college and the European players
are are leaving. So if you had you did have
Lebron and Steph and KD multiple years in a row,
(27:47):
that was as close as you would have gotten. But
I think it's never going to happen, at least in
the very near future.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Okay, Doug. For comparison purposes, Oh right.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Now you can comparison go ahead, well.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Okay, yeah, real quick. For comparison purposes, Let's say that
from a basketball standpoint, this year's NBA Finals is superb
go seven games, great individual performances, buzzer beaters. Will that
help make it respectable in the ratings? Or is the
(28:22):
rioting already on the wall, Because I'll go back to
this nineteen ninety one World Series, the Twins and Braves
to at least one, you know, relatively mid or small
market team, not a lot of super duper stars, although
they were stars, but they are the best top one
of the best, top to bottom seven game World series
ever wound up averaging thirty five million viewers. If this
(28:45):
year's NBA Finals from a basketball standpoint, completely sells out
in terms of excitement and individual performances and goes seven,
will that make a difference in the ratings nationally? Or
has that basically already been set?
Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I think it's already been set me too. It's
already been set, and that is the Midway.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
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At snug outleb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, Big
Shot Bob, Robert Rory twelve minutes away, cannot wait, can't wait.
There's some new reporting on the next firing of Tom
Sibido right, and uk, I think all this stuff is
(29:47):
super interesting. You know, I did read what set Davis tweeted.
I've been working with Jay Wright on TV for three years.
Based on every conversation we've had, I would say that
there's a greater chance that I will be the Knicks
head coach than him. The difference is if they call me,
I will say yes, Uh, that sounds great and I
(30:08):
love Seth. But if you're if you're a basketball guy,
if you're an East Coast guy. The idea and it
has lured many people before. The guy who wins the
title with the Knicks will be celebrated, unlike any head
(30:31):
coach in the NBA, any head coach in the NBA.
And I agree. I've talked to Jay as well. I
think Jay likes his life. I think it's a great life,
but he doesn't. We don't want to go back to
college because college is not the same, right, College is
not the same, and it's just it's not what it
(30:55):
used to be when he was there. Doesn't mean he
wouldn't win, and the guy win no matter what he does.
But he also can make fifteen or twenty million dollars
a year like there's no salary cap on coaches. You know,
I have to like Jim Dolan, but he's a billionaire
and he can write whatever check he wants, per league sources,
NIXT relieved Tom Thibodeau of his duties after the team
(31:16):
reces from conference finals for the first time in twenty
five years, but failed to defance the NBA Finals with
the goal of winning a championship. League sources told The
Athletic that this organization needed a new voice and it was
the first step in the process of reaching those heights.
Those sources said it was a decision made by team
president Leon Rose with the backing of owner James Dolan. So,
(31:42):
you know, I've had people ask me all the time, like, well,
what did you think of TIB's rotations? Look, Tom Thibodeau's
coach in the NBA for as long as I've been alive,
and I get that. It's really cool to sit here
and go like, why'd you sub this guy? And why
did you love that guy? And this guy had success?
And Okay, if you didn't know that Tibbs doesn't play
(32:03):
his bench, I don't know what to tell you. I
know he has not won an NBA title yet he's
also not had an NBA championship caliber team, and this
one was a flawed team as well. Did he do
the perfect coaching job? No, but they they had gotten
better every year, They went further in the playoffs every year,
and they got to the first teams conference finals in
(32:24):
twenty five years. So I'm not exactly sure what we're
looking for in terms of some sort of magic cure,
magic elixer. Did Jay Wright thing makes sense because he's
got three former villainov A wild Cats, three guys that'll
immediately buy in. And that's what you got to be
worried about, because no matter who they bring in, everyone
else was brought in under Tibb's watch, and Tibbs signed
off on it. So now you got a new guy,
(32:47):
new people, and is he gonna bring his own players
per se, just like we're talking about James Ott, right,
he's a Michigan State guy. He was brought in because
the owners of Michigan State guy, and everybody brings in
their own people, and you have a really good chance
of upsetting the apple cart when you have a new
head coach that brings in his own people. When he
signed Jay Wright, he doesn't have to bring in his
own people. His own people already there. So are you
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I still think Jeff Van Gundy is out there as
a candidate. Obviously, Mike Malone's a possible candidate. Those are
(33:38):
three really good candidates. Van Gundy coach in the league.
This year covered the league forever been in New York,
went to it, He went went to a finals. Malone
won a championship, and Jay Wright won to national championships.
Has three former players on the team and is beloved
in basketball. And you know, again the offense in the
(34:00):
style would be different, but the simplicity of how he
does things. Now, the one thing that Jay would run
into is, you know, he's so big on attitude. If
you've ever been to their practices, they're like machines. It's
an amazing practice. I don't think that works in the NBA,
and I'd be interested to see how it would be
implemented in terms of how they're kind of programmed to act,
to act, to work and to play together as a team.
(34:24):
That part would be really interesting.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Hm.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
And I can't think of anybody else who is a
candid because you can't fire a coach because he hasn't
been successful in the NBA playss for a coach that
hasn't been successful in the NBA plass or in championship basketball?
Speaker 5 (34:43):
Yes, Sammy, what about like Brad Stevens. They could lure
him away from the Celtics front office.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
So he's the president, he makes all the decisions, and
he wants to be the coach and work for somebody else.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Who I'm just throwing it out there. That's why the
offers of analysis I wanted from you.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
He's just saying, would I hire Would I hire Brad
Stevens if I get him? Yes? But why would Brad Stevens,
who kicked himself upstairs to the presidency and won an
NBA championship and probably feels like you're healthy, they could
have won another one? Why would he Why would that
be the job that he takes.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
That's not a New Yorker point.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
We are you gonna say Therese too.
Speaker 6 (35:23):
I know you've had experience, whether it be in your
coaches room or in your your own business broadcast business.
But when the leader of the meeting says, hey, I'm
taking all ideas here, no such thing is a bad idea.
I think Sam just proved like sometimes there is such
thing as that, and you know, maybe it's just not
worthy of discussion.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I don't think that's not worthy of discussion. No, no, I
don't think that's not worth of discussion. I'm not and
and and Sam. I know sometimes I appear and dismissive.
I'm just saying, like, no.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
You were listed all the reasons why he wouldn't leave.
He's always a name that comes up, so I I
just thought.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Well, he's always name. It comes up at Indiana because
he's from Indiana, and people who are like, what's Indiana?
So of course you want to coach Indiana And he's like, yeah,
coach the butler went to two National Championship games, like
NBA is way better and the other part too. It
is like he's a legit husband, father. He likes to
be home. That's one of the reasons he didn't want
to coach anymore. So I don't think he wants the
(36:21):
noise in the nonsense of being a next coach. I
could be wrong.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
He has a nine to five job. Yeah, he makes
plenty of money, he's winning championships.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I think he's good.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
He just the only thing I can think of is
that he has like a thirsty desire to coach players again.
But he kind of does.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
If he has the thirst desire to coach players again, yeah,
that's possible. I don't think that would be the place
to do it, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
I just can't.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
The cliche there's no such thing as bad ideas, I
think is oh yeah, I think there's always is such
thing as.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Though, there's definitely such thing as bad ideas.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
And then also the people that say doesn't hurt to ask, No,
it actually does hurt to ask, Like if if you're
if your relationship with the person becomes compromised because you
just asked them to do something, was it worth it? No,
it does hurt to ask, Like, hey, doesn't hurt to ask,
And then all of a sudden when they are being
(37:14):
called in and compromised relationships and no, I'm never gonna
buy it doesn't hurt to ask.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I don't think anything was injured or damage because I
threw Brad Stevens's name out.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
No, no, no, I'm onto.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
A totally different he's on a whole different time.
Speaker 8 (37:27):
I'm way off on the subject.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
What you did was it's like a personal no. No,
it's like the lawyer who says, like, basically like you
open the door with that line of questioning. Oh, you
open the door, your honor. Yeah, so you open the
door to the discussion about brainstorming brainstorming sessions where somebody says,
no such thing as a bad idea, and then the
(37:50):
second they say that, somebody raised their hands says, hey,
what about it's just outside the box. What about colonizing uranus? Right,
which of course makes people say uranus, which makes everybody laugh,
which the hand't actually happened because it's not anyway, there
are bad ideas.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
And then the second one was was a totally different topic.
And recently the guy, the kid from Penn State that
was drafted second overall, he asked Lawrence Taylor for his number,
and he probably did it under the premise of, hey,
doesn't hurt to ask, doesn'tsk But it does because your
reputation for you look foolish for asking kid.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
But you don't get what you don't ask for you
have to try it.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Obviously Sam is a proponent of it doesn't hurt to ask,
which is fine.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Okay, let's do this. Let uh, let's circle back to this.
We got a good midway coming up as well. Big
Shot Bob, I believe is calling in here momentarily for
me that Let's get you a quick update here on
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Isaac, It's
(38:56):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. And there
is no man on earth more synonymous with Championship NBA
Basketball than our next guest. He's known as Big Shot Bob.
We'll just call it Robert or we'll get formal. Seven
time NBA champion, two with the Rockets, three with the Lakers,
two with the Spurs. And he's here courtesy of bet Online.
(39:17):
She got bet online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props. Uh, Robert,
thanks so much for taking time. Your first NBA Finals
was against two.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
New York Knicks.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
So was that the oj.
Speaker 10 (39:35):
One Game three?
Speaker 1 (39:39):
So okay, so let's go before the series right because
because that was the no Jordan in the league year
New York finally broke through. Okay, you had you had Dream,
Kenny Smith, what do you remember about getting ready for
that series?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
I just remember how tough it was.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
You then we went down two to the Phoenix Suns
and we had to come back and go in the
road and win. And it was just the way we
were constructed. Was a defensive team. And I think we're
the only team that's probably won the NBA Championship that
at the time that only had one All Star, you know,
that was Dream. But we played really good defense. I
think we were top three defensively.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
In the league, and we were able to shut people down.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
And we had one of the best players in the league,
you know, MVP and a Chema Lodgemon. We just kind
of rolle his coattail to a championship. So it was
an amazing run.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what's
it likes? What was that first championship like? To win?
Speaker 2 (40:42):
It was weird because when I wanted I just kind
of like, oh, is.
Speaker 10 (40:45):
This what the NBA about? Because I was in my
second year and I was happy because you know, the
season was over. I can get some rest and then
I looked around and I realized I never even touched
the trophy, and I was like, oh crap, I.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Need to get back here and get so I can
touch the trophy.
Speaker 10 (40:59):
And it was just one of those moments where you
was you was so proud of yourself, but I was
more the type like, Oh, this is what dream played for,
this is what otis played for. You know, you know
Kenny Smith, Randon Maxley, these guys have been in the
league way longer than me. I just I just took
a step back and let them enjoy the moment. I
just watched because I just feel like I really deserved
to touch it because I hadn't been doing that long.
(41:21):
It was just one of those experiences that could just
be shocked and you're just like, you don't know what
to do.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
To be honest, what was the most What was the
one that you won that if you look back, you're like,
I don't think we were that good, yet we still
won the title.
Speaker 10 (41:42):
It was ninety five, you know when we started. When
we started, I'm saying this a three or four times.
When we started small ball, we went down three runs
to the Phoenix Suns, and they moved me to small forward,
and then we won the series and went on to
sweep Orlando in the finals, and you look back and
you said, Okay, we had two great players in Clyde
Dresser and chem Olajae, and the way they played in
(42:02):
the couple series, you know, both of them having forty
points against the Utah Jazz to win a game, and
the way we went down three to one, the scenes
and getting the way we just annihilated the Spurs. After
David Robinson won MVP and then we swept Orlando, He's like, like,
were we really that good? And you look back and
everybody self, Jordan would have been there, you wouldn't have one.
I'm like, y'all, forget Jordan got his butt beat by
(42:23):
this by Orlando.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Matter it. He was back. He dropped the double nickel
that year on New York, so he was back. So
for us, just look at that year.
Speaker 10 (42:30):
I was like, oh, we won that. But every other year,
you know, with the Lakers were just beast and we
beat everybody. And the same thing with the Spurs, we
just betting everybody. So if I have to pick one,
is the ninety five?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Okay, let's go to the Lakers, right, I mean, the
shot against the Kings is one that There's lots of
shots you maybe the spurs and shots you made, but
for whatever reason, it feels like the one against the
Kings is a one that people point to the most.
Why do you think that.
Speaker 10 (42:57):
Is because they felt like we were if we lose
this game, we go down three one to the Kings,
and Kings had the best record in basketball that year.
You know, it was right there with Chris Webber, Doug Chrissy,
and Mike Bibbott. They had a really good team. You know,
they could beat anyone. We knew whoever won that game
was going to win win the NBA title. And I
(43:17):
think for us and the pill was a game game
four knocking down that shot at home. Now you think
about it, the way I played against the Pistons in
two thousand and five, I didn't even talk about that
in the second half, but because I made a shot
in the Laker uniform in Staples at the time, it's
going to be talked about because one of the greatest
franchise in all of sports, and at home, you know,
(43:40):
it was very significant in the world of sports.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
I should say, what's that like for everybody to know
you as big Shot Bop. I mean, honestly, what does
that feel like When people shout that out to you
and they see you walking by.
Speaker 10 (43:51):
It feels great, man, Because when you're a kid growing up,
you said you wanted the nickname, and when you you know,
you don't just come out and say, I'm calling myself
big shot. And if someone gives you the name and
it sticks, it.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Means a lot because it made it.
Speaker 10 (44:04):
Bits you know, you made it. You think about how
many songs my name has been mentioned, all the titles them,
and people, oh, bit chat, what's happening? You know, it
makes you feel good because there's a lot of guys
that I passed by and I'm like, damn, what's his
name again? But when you got a nickname that sticks,
you know. So now that I got a nickname that
kind of sticks, and I'm on the minds of a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, let's get rid of For this NBA Finals, you
got the thunder who they're a super young team, but
obviously super talented team, deep athletic, and I do think
it benefits them that they're going against a pacer team
that they're not super young, but they're they're not. It's
not like they're going against Lebron, Grizzly Vetts, guys that
(44:45):
have been there, guys that get benefit of debt with calls.
What just tell me what your overall early thoughts are
on the matchup between the two teams.
Speaker 10 (44:54):
I think they're very similar. You know, if you put them,
you line them up, you think about who they have
and what team they're all similar. You know, check Honngery
shoots a lot of threes, and you got Miles Turner
who shoots a lot of threes. You got Obi Topping
who can jump out to gym. Then you got you know,
Jayalen Williams you can jump out of the down. You
got Lou Dorkin who played good defense. You got Siakam
(45:15):
that can play defense. It's like you go down this
list of players, they're all pretty much evenly matching.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
You know.
Speaker 10 (45:20):
Okay, see just gets more fanfare because of the commercials
because SGA got you know, MVP, and they playing in
the West, and you always think the West is better,
but don't created this spacer team manters Hallibron who's playing
with a chip on this summer. You got nim Hart
who stepped into a role who can knock down some
big shots. A lot of guys on this team that
are really good. You think about what Nie Smith did
(45:42):
and we hit like what eight nine threes against the Knicks,
So you never know what can happen. And I think
this space of team they played the best as far
as team orient and basketball. Someone every night is the leading score.
I think they play better than even okay see because
okay see, each and every night, you know who their
leading scorer is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
You know, you do you do?
Speaker 2 (46:03):
How?
Speaker 1 (46:04):
What do you what do you think about how he's officiated?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I hate it, I really do.
Speaker 10 (46:09):
I hate it because I hate when when when refs
give the benefit of the doubt to the offensive player.
If you come down and you bump into me and
all of a sudden's the foul. I do have a right.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
You know.
Speaker 10 (46:19):
It's no different than verticality. If I'm running along and
all of a sudden you run into me or something
of that nature. It's it's just bad Basketball's teaching kids.
It's like it's okay to bail yourself out. You know,
work for your shot, get your shot, you know, learn
how to get away from the player. And it's it's
just I just know that's the way he's been officiated.
It's no you know, you think about he's just James
(46:40):
hard to borrow, you know how he's able to manipulate
the reps and get to the regail line. But I
do hope that they figure out a way not to
just give these guys, you know, the line to the
free throw line because it's bad basketball. You know, you
always talk about you want the game to be fast paced.
All these bogus calls, and some of these players get
it's not just SGA. You know, you can go down
(47:02):
a list to people, and so they need to find
some way to give the defense a little bit more
credit than taking it away from them.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Okay, so all you have to do is check out
go to bed online for updated NBA Finals series and
MVP odds, along with game by game lines and props.
Right now, the Thunder are minus sixty seventy the Pacers
are plus four ninety, so the Thunder are prohibitive favorites
to win this series. Robert Man, it's like any time
to talk hoop with you, it's awesome. But now we
get ready for the NBA Finals. I mean, that's your time,
(47:32):
really special, We really appreciate it. Thanks for spending the
time with us.
Speaker 10 (47:35):
No man, thank you for always having me on Man
big fan, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Man, pleasures all ours. That's a big shotbout Robert Rory
joining us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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I'm trying to think in other sports, is there are
there other Robert Orri's, Jay stew and Sam like uh Ilo?
(48:09):
Are there other Robert Orri's? By that, I mean guys
that are synonymous with really good players, but they're known
for like that guy was. He's almost like a Where's
Waldo of championship teams? I totally forgot he was on
those first two Rockets championship teams, and the Spurs teams
and the Lakers teams, et cetera. Is there a Is
there a baseball or football version of that.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
Well, for basketball, Steve Kirr comes to mind, but other sports,
that's really interesting.
Speaker 6 (48:37):
I would offer up this, and each of them can
be disputed, so I'm not married to these. But Doug
gave us ten seconds of notice. Charles Haley, Mark Swareth,
Bill Romanowski. Good, Yeah, that's those are good.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Uh, that's pretty good. I did. I did give you
ten seconds there. That's pretty solid. Well, who are you
gonna say? You said Steve Kerr? Steve Kerr won two
or three?
Speaker 5 (49:04):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (49:05):
He?
Speaker 7 (49:05):
I mean he won at least four because he was
on the Spurs in ninety nine. I don't remember if
he was part of their two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
He was on the two thousand and three team.
Speaker 7 (49:14):
Okay, then was five.
Speaker 1 (49:15):
He was on two Bulls teams. I don't think he
was on all three.
Speaker 8 (49:18):
No, he was.
Speaker 7 (49:19):
He was on the last three. Yeah, so he was
on three with the Bulls and two with the Spurs.
So five total, yep.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Okay, five total? Okay? No base is there a baseball?
One baseball?
Speaker 7 (49:34):
Well yeah, but all with the Yankees probably.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Right, But like there's Cheeter and there's my Rever, Like
those guys are the top line stars. I'm talking about
a guy who's just a good player. Can't be just
like a role player?
Speaker 5 (49:49):
Round wins some championships.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
Well, I mean he's in the Hall of Fame. But
Yogi Bear. But again, that was with one team.
Speaker 6 (49:55):
I'm not referring to the guy that was cooked by
his wife and slapped a comedian at the Oscars. But
there's a reliever named Will Smith. I think, yeah, Executive
World Series.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
He was on the Dodgers, and then who are the
other two he's on the Was he on the did
the Raise win?
Speaker 8 (50:10):
One was on the Dodgers Rangers?
Speaker 1 (50:14):
There was a different Will Smith on the Dodgers.
Speaker 8 (50:16):
Right, he's a catcher.
Speaker 1 (50:18):
Okay, so I did have the right name. I had
the wrong player.
Speaker 8 (50:21):
Correct, the reliever Will Smith?
Speaker 7 (50:24):
Actually you could say Reggie Jackson. Three with the A's
and two with the Yankees. Perhaps, But he was also
a star Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Again, like it's a very unique thing, like a star
role player.
Speaker 7 (50:38):
How about the likes of Ramiro Mendoza and Chuck Knoblock.
How about Jeff Nelson.
Speaker 1 (50:44):
Chuck New Kids on NA Block? You guys think of that?
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