June 5, 2025 • 51 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug brings up something most people have not mentioned about the upcoming NBA Finals.
On today's edition of Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday Doug and the crew focus on the sports year of 2000.
Doug reacts to the breaking news from NFL media that Aaron Rodgers is close to being the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Doug welcomes former basketball coach and current broadcaster Dan Dakich from Outkick to break down the NBA Finals and the Fever controversy.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome in. I believe Dan Byer is back, which is awesome.
He was at Aaron Hills last Sunday for the conclusion
of the Women's US Open that chance to travel home,
see family, see friends, as well nephew's graduation, so he's back.
Welcome back, dB, and we're all back ready for the
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NBA Finals, which gets underway tonight at pay Com in
Oklahoma City. If you don't know the crew, Jason Stewart
is the esteem producer and of course Big Apple Iowa.
Sam is on the ones and twos and likes to
chime in and occasionally filibuster on the show. Jam packed.
First hour of the show, Dan Dakich, host of Don't
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At Me, will join us. Of course, he's mister Indiana
or Indianapolis, and he'll give us his perspective. There are
some interesting kind of quirks to the Indiana Pacers story.
Also got a it's a kind of fascinating thing on. Like,
I'm not really a Derek Carr guy, but there is
something that Derek Carr did on his way out of
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New Orleans, which I think all of us can say.
It's pretty solid stuff, pretty solid stuff. I don't know
if we can fit it in, but there was Stanley
cupp The Stanley Cup finals were played last night. I
do have just a quick question. I know Bayer knew
because that's buyer, that's kind of stuff. J Did you
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know the Stanley Cup Finals were last night?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Did you watch?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Negative?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You watched Dodd Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Mexican Dan sent me a great SoundBite though, wing Gretzky
making a spot on prediction during that game. We'll get
to that at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I cannot wait, can't wait. It was one of those things.
And my son Hayes is up here with me and
we went after the show, we went out and hit
some golf balls and then had decided, Hey, we're gonna
have dinner at the club, like a bunch couple of
old men, right, And so we're sitting at the at
the golf club at Oneida Country Club Bar and we're
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watching the Stanley Cup Finals and he's like, is this
the finals? And I was like, I think so. And
then I said, look up in the corner there. My eyes,
I can't see that. I don't have my glass. I
can't see distance that clear. He's like, yeah, Stanley Cup Finals.
I was like, huh, who knew. He's like, well, I
didn't know. I was like, yeah, but I'm actually sports
and didn't know. So I apologize. We'll get to what
you missed during the show. You know, it's weird. The
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Eastern Conference has this ability to do something that the
Western Conference rarely does, which is produce a random champion.
Have you guys noticed that. We there's a lot of
times in which I've had people, We've had people say, man, dang,
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the greatest thing Lebron James ever did was take that
one NBA one Cleveland Cavalier team before he went to
Miami to the NBA finals. All Right, you guys remember that. Yeah,
I'll give you the year. I mean, but it's it's
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it's really interesting right that you go back and the
San Antonio Spurs dominated dominated the Cleveland Cavaliers in two
thousand and seven and they swept him four games to none.
Tony Parker was the MVP. And what's weird is we'll
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sit there and go like it was so amazing. Lebron
took that team to the finals. They did, they did.
What's lost in that is, you know, there was a
Sixers team with Alan Iverson that got there. There was
an Orlando Magic team with Dwight Howard that got there.
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There was a Boston Celtics team that was really loaded, obviously,
and obviously then we had those Heat teams that made
a run, the Cavs team that made a run, but
sprinkled in there. We had the Heat two years ago,
the Pacers this year. I even think you could say
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the Celtics four years ago was a little early. And
the Milwaukee Bucks had been in the playoffs the year
after year after year. They only won the finals when
they one played the Do you guys remember who the
Bucks beat? I know, Bayer, does they beat the Phoenix
Suns coached by many Williams. The Sons were that year's
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random team, but even then, the Milwaukee Bucks needed Kevin
Durant's team to fall apart with injuries and Katie had
his foot on the line. Otherwise they beat him in
Game seven at home without Kyrie Irving, without James Harden.
The point is that these there's a group of these
mostly Eastern Conference random teams that weren't the best team
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or maybe even the second best team in their conference,
that got hot, went on a run or had a
good matchup and get to a finals, and as prisoners
of the moment, we lock in and believe they have
a chance. Now do I think the Pacers have a chance?
I do, But all of the data is telling you
Oklahoma City last two regular seasons have been great and
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Denver was a hard matchup for him this year. Last
year was Dallas that was a hard matchup for him.
But otherwise they've been pretty dominant throughout and that's why
they're a substantial favorite in these NBA finals. And the
other part we have to look at with some of
these outlier teams that have made the finals from the
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Eastern conferences, none of them won a championship. They just didn't.
None of them won a championship. So I'm not saying
it absolutely won't happen. Injuries can be problematic, and I'll
tell you and I'm going to get to what the
biggest I think non storyline storyline of people who watch
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basketball will be, especially in Game one. But the likelihood
of a Pacer championship I think is fairly minimal. Not
because I don't like their team, or I don't like Indiana,
or right don't like Tyrese Haliburton. I just have data
that shows me Oklahoma City's probably the best team in
the NBA. They're playing like the best team in the NBA.
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They have home court advantage, and they do have a
good home court advantage, and the pieces fit together. They
defend well, they rebound well. Like i'd like, tell me
what I'm missing, tell me what I'm missing. Here's it,
here's one. Here's an interesting one. Hey, tell me what
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you think about this one. Stut Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Basketball people, and I think a little
bit non basketball people are just fans byra What would
you say is the thing you're watching for tonight? That
might be the most telling. Obviously, in the game, but
then maybe in the series as well.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
The thing I'm most watching for tonight is what happens
in the final six minutes of this game, where I
believe at some point Oklahoma City will have a lead.
And we saw it in the Bucks series, we saw
it in the cav series, we saw it in the
Knick series. Do the Pacers have that ability to come
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back from a deficit and do what they did so
the previous three teams? Is Oklahoma City immune to that?
And It's not that I'm going to tune in at
the six minute mark of the game, right, but it's
just the fact of does this magical run continue for
the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'll buttress that remarks with this and this I'm not
gonna act like this is my own original thought. I
had an NBA assistant tell me the cool thing about
the Pacers is these things they did in the regular
season as well, and they play with a plan late
in the game, and that they don't just come down
and take, you know, off balance threes and hope for
them to come in like they actually have a plan.
(08:50):
In this particular case, We're going to keep playing with
our pace, playing with our tempo, but also now really
trying to lock in on shooting some threes, and it
has worked for I think the biggest thing I'm looking
for is how the game is officiated. How it's officiated,
and we will hyper focus obviously on Shae whether or
not he can draw fouls in the lane. But I
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think it's generally a level of physicality that both teams
play with. Both teams are crazy physical, both teams have
great depth, and both teams play a style where they're like,
you know, if if you call a foul, that's fine.
You're not gonna call everyone. And there's just such a
dramatic difference in how the games are played and who
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should be favored based upon how the game is officiated.
If it's a tightly officiated game, I think it favors
the thunder. I just do it means Shae marches to
the free throw line. I also think because of their youth,
remember it's the youngest team in the NBA, one of
the things that the Pacers have a tendency to do
is run you off the court because early in the
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first half you're laying the ball in, You're like, man,
this is great, We're just scoring easily. And then you
get tied. I don't know if this team does get tired. So, uh,
that's it's a solid here's a shake. Gilden sala Zander
talk about what his team needs to do to win
the series.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Staying true to who we are is the reason why
we're here. We'd be doing ourselves at disservice if we
if we change or try to be something we're not.
Once we got here, we've had success doing so if
we want to keep having success, we have to be
who we are. And it's organic. So it's nothing like
we have to think about our for us. It just
it's who we are, no matter the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Traders, stay who
we are. Here's his counterpoint, Tyrese Haliburton on what his
team needs to do to be successful.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
They're historically great on both sides of the ball. They
have the MVP. I mean, there's so many different things
that you could name down the list of why they
are so great at what they do and why they're
such a great team. If you want to go through
the best team, you want to go through the best challenge.
So this is the best challenge, and this is the
best team in the NBA has been the best team
in the NBA all year and they're well coach, they
just they just do everything so well. So there's no
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shortcuts to beating this team. And we know the Olds
are stacked against us, but you know, it is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It is what it is. Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What about you, Doug Gottleb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I
hope you're having a great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show
broadcasting for the What do we determined? It was? Ah,
that's right. I think this is the nineteenth consecutive year
at this time, so it's pretty cool. Got a bunch
to get to this hour. As we get you ready
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for the first Game one of the NBA Finals, the
funky Colt Mark Medina will join us. Wayne Gretzky made
a spot on prediction for Game one of the Western
Excuse me, Game one of the Stanley Cup Finals during
the second period break yesterday, Wait till you hear it. Plus,
I do want to mention that Derek Carr story, which
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is a pretty good one. Pretty good one and you
can be the biggest Derek Carr hater. Then you're like, yeah,
kind of seems like a good enough dude. So, but
it is a Thursday, and you know, on social media
they call it, you know, throwback Thursday. But Jason Stewart
is the anti well everything normal. So what became a
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Dan Byer idea and then transferred into a Jason Stewart production,
we call don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, so don't call to throwback Thursday. Essentially is a
look back, mostly in sports, but some other places at
the year that was Jay Stewart was the year we're
talking about it.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I want
the listeners and everybody involved in the show to think
about the year two thousand. What were you doing twenty
five years ago? You were probably uh right before learning
the term hanging chad. Hanging chad was a very popular
term for a few weeks in two thousand, but before
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we got to there. Larry Bird Hall of Famer Larry Bird,
great Celtics player, was the head coach of the last
Indiana Pacers team to go to the NBA Finals. You
forget Larry Bird was a head coach. You'd probably remember
that Reggie Miller was on the team. Mark Jackson was
on the team. Jalen Rose was paid a lot of
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money to play for the Pacers. But they ran into
the first of three Lakers NBA Championships. Of course, the
Shaq Kobe three peat. But we're focused on the Pacers
because tonight they take on the Thunder in the NBA
Finals and you're thinking, what was the last time they
played in a series of this magnitude? And the answer
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is twenty five years ago. I just wanted to focus
on that and how the listeners think about that for
a while. They lost in six games. I remember, if
I remember right, and you tell me, Doug, was that
the pass from Shack to Kobe? Was that the series?
Or am I thinking of a different series?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It was actually against the Blazers in the Western Conferences.
That's what im is the Blazers in the same year though, Yeah,
I believe, so, yeah, awesome, Well there you go. It
fits in dan Byer other than the Shack to Kobe
Loob pass. What do you remember from the year two thousand?
Can I tell you what I think is interesting because
it pertains to this Pacers team. On My Sunday Show
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with Mike Harmen, I compared this NBA Finals to the
Super Bowl matchup we had in two thousand. It's not
the NFL season of two thousand, it's the ninety nine season.
But the Super Bowl again was played in two thousand,
but I think it's Apropo Rams Titans. And again it
was the Saint Louis Rams against the Tennessee Titans. And
it was that season that the Rams were a juggernaut offensively,
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but still they were kind of a Johnny cum Lately
team from a town that we really weren't familiar with
because it had just recently got football back five years prior.
And here come the Tennessee Titans, who had a team
that was even newer to their market. But the Titans
were this grinding out team that upset Jacksonville in the
AFC Championship game, and the Titans were on this magnificent run.
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And don't you know what kind of a baby blue
color lends into this with the thunder kind of the
same with the Titans. So a lot of parallels, maybe
not exactly fitting each team, but guess what that Super
Bowl was a really good super Bowl. It's one of
the more memorable endings that we have. And I think
we're going to have a really good NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Kevin Dyson, Kevin, Yes.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The yard short, Yeah, yard short. I think it was
Robert Towons who made the tackle.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Two thousand is right in my wheelhouse. But I have
a lot going on, right. That was my senior year
in college. Then I played in the USBL Then I
played in the NBA Summer League. Then I got married,
Then I went overseas, and once I went over and
then I came back, and then I was in the
CBA and the IBA and EVENTU and called a couple
of college basketball games that year like that, There was
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a lot and not a lot that I can honestly
square to you.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Go ahead, didn't you? Weren't you knocking on the door
of a final four?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, we're at the Elite eight.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And we thought we were going to play Duke. We'd
played Duke my sophomore year, and then Duke was the
top seed. We were I think the three seed Temple
had lost. We played Seaton Hall in the Sweet sixteen
and then played a Florida team that had upset Duke
in the Elite eight. That Florida team turned out to
be loaded with Youdonnis Haslam, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner,
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among others. I think seven players in that team were
drafted in the NBA draft. We had won, but regardless
of that game, and then they go on and lose
in the finals to Michigan State. But yeah, so I
definitely have a distinct I can tell you everything, chapter
and verse about that year. That was the year that
Kenny Martin famously got hurt right before the tournament and
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cincinnat I got moved from a one to a two seed,
and I don't know even how far they advanced.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, they were, actually they were. Ohio State was a
three seed last year and that year in Ohio State lost.
I actually think they may have been knocked out in
the second round, Doug because Ohio State lost to I
believe it may have been Miami a Florida at that point.
But it was also a wacky year because Wisconsin made
it as an eight seed to the final four, like
I believe North Carolina was also an eight seed.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We're bringing it full circle. Who was the head coach there,
Dick Bennett, Dick Bennett, famous coach here at Greenback.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Absolutely, Tulsa beat Cincinnati in the second round, seventh seventh seed.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Thought, did Tulsa face Miami in the.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
They lost to North Carolina? Yes, Miami the beat.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
They played Miami and beat them.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Okay, that's what North Carolina and Julius Peppers.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Wasn't that Bill?
Speaker 8 (17:52):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, that was Bill Seal's last game, I think coach
Antulsa and then he went to Illinois.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
At some point. Somebody needs to give me credit for that.
That's not my sho.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That was good.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But I also nailed Miami beating Ohio State in that
three to six matchup because that was the year. That
was the final year of Schooney pen and Michael Red
and I thought that the Bracky could have opened up
for him, but they lost in the second round after
a Final four appearance the year prior. Yeah, I just
want a little bit of credit for that, just like
Jason wanted a little bit of credit for credit.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Wise Farnest on the room down. Come on, you can
never get credit.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Guy, sure do you guys? Like I have my dog's
three dogs in my house and you guys are just
like that where one comes up it's like, hey, can
you rub me? Neil was like, hey, dude, rub me.
And then I was like, yo yo, what year.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
For golf and what a year for Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Tiger Woods VJ.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Singh won the Masters in two thousand, but then it
was the pure Tiger dominance, a big part of the
Tiger Slam because Tiger won in overwhelming fashion, the most
convincing win that we've seen out the US Open when
he dominated Pebble Beach in two thousand, then went on
and completed the career slam at Saint Andrews at the
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Open Championship, and then followed up with that dramatic playoff
victory over Bob May in the two thousand PGA Championship
at Valhalla. A lot of the highlights that you see
from Tiger, the fist pumping, the walking to the hole,
were in that match with Bob May and Valhalla. So
two thousand the year of Tiger Woods in golf.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
One of the rare years in that era. That was
the year of Tiger.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah. Yeah, it never never really happened, never happened too much,
but could have had the career. It could have had
the seasonal Grand Slam if he would have won the
Masters in two thousand, but then won in two thousand
and one, so he held all four major trophies at
one time, hence the Tiger Slam.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The New York Yankees were finishing off their third straight
World Series title season. I think the ninety eight team
was their best of the three, but two thousand it
was their back to back against the Brave for two
straight years. We got the Yankees and the Braves in
the World Series. The Yankees won in two thousand and
they would not win again for another what nine years,
(20:09):
eight or nine years. Don't remember much from that two
thousand team other than I'm guessing Derek Jeter was on it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Two thousand was the Olympics in Paris.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I believe Sydney.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Sydney's so I said, two thousand Olympics in Sydney. The
only thing I remember about that was Vince Carter jumping
over Frederick Weiss. That's it, and it was a really
hard This was Remember they had the Dream Team in
ninety eight and then in ninety six I think they
got beaten ninety six. In two thousand, that was when
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it started to kind of get Murky for him. But
the Vince Carter Dunk Reigned Supreme is the only thing.
I was in training camp with the team in Italy
and we watched that around a bar. We're like, ohoh,
I've never seen that before.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
The thing that I've forgot about about those games were
that they were actually in September. Yeah, really late, yes,
And I didn't remember that happening. And remember a few
years back when we were talking about the World cop
in it being in November and how crazy it was.
But they were, they were in September of that year,
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which I don't I don't even remember that happening in September,
but must have been distracted with football.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't remember anything. I remember very little about football
until until September eleventh, all right, was Seboery eleventh?
Speaker 8 (21:34):
That year? Was that?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The next year?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I was that year, right, September eleventh, two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Next year, Yeah, but I was. You know, you're traveling
back and forth so much, but I you know, one
of the reasons that I didn't have a honeymoon originally
was because we were supposed to go to Italy to
train with this team, and then my agent called me,
he's like, hey, good news, good news. Training casts been
(21:59):
pushed backcause the Olympic so late. Right, Hey, here's a problem,
Like you can't call me like a week before and go, hey,
go play a honeymoon.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Doesn't work here, you goys.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Quick correction. Our ACE producer Ryan Berschinger has corrected me.
You know, the Yankees beat the Mets in two thousand
and I can't believe I didn't remember that because I Piazza. Yeah,
Yankees and Mets World Series is often confused.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The Subway Series that we.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
May have.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Played them in two thousand and one after September eleventh,
but it was a year prior that the Subway Series happened.
Mike Piazzo's on that team. I just remember them asking
what Mike Piazzo would he listened to before Every World
Series game is in his discman, and he just played
this for the reporter.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
Hello, Creed, can you take me?
Speaker 10 (23:10):
Revived by Kirk Cousins playing it in NFL locker rooms,
Creed reborn.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
To think that this was actually a good song. At
some point, it wasn't like played in irony like we
played to make fun of it nowadays.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
No, No, it was played ironically now we're back to
liking it for what it was.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But in two thousand movies.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That year, the top the charts movies that year, the
most watched picture was How the Grinch Stole Christmas?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yep, Jim Carrier, that was good. That's a good Holly movie.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Here's how long we've they've been doing Mission impossibles. That
was Mission Impossible. To the original Gladiator, The Perfect Storm.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I've seen that one. I love the Perfect great movie,
great cast, perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
The Parents, the first X Men scary movie, which I
know most people laugh at, scared their crap out of me.
I don't like scary movies, and I know that was
supposed to be funny. Yeah, Aaron Brockovich was that year.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh, No, scary movie was a that was kind of
like a what do you call horror sumentary comedy?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That was a horror movie. No, it was a scary movie.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It was a comedy.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
The not so scary movie was a comedy.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They're all comedies. They're all the Waynes Brothers.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
No, that wasn't the Wayne's Brother was it.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
Yeah, scary scary movie franchise. They made like seven of
them or something, made a lot. Yeah, scary movie is
just that's why it's the whole joke is in the name.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Like scary movie.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
It's like all I mean, Sara, I guess there are
slightly alarming, frightening parts, but.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Uh, Hayes Gottlieb's favorite sports movie was that year, remember
the Titans. It's a good one. That was a good one.
Oh you know what, maybe it was Scream was the.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
Yes, Yes, Scream is like Drew Barrymore and uh yeah
that was Nev Campbell. Yeah those are Yeah, that was
a legit horror movie. But the Scary Movie franchise just
like a playing making fun of all these horror movies.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Hey, we can't.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
We would be remiss if we left Supernatural by Santana
off of this. Uh, because he had two of the
top three songs Smooth featuring Rob Thomas, and then he
had this song and this is one of those albums.
(25:36):
Supernatural came out in ninety nine, two thousand, good front
to back. Every single song he had like collabse with
I think Lauren hill Ski what was it ce Low
I think he was on one of his songs. Just
a ton of ton of great collaborations. This was Santana
(25:57):
featuring the product Gene b Maria Marie good song. Great
album won some Grammys. I believe Mari it was the
album of the year.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
The show Survivor debut, Doug.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Love Survivor, You guys know that's I think the most
influential show in business should be the most influential show
in all of business.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And of course, could all of us name at least
one cast member from the original Survivor?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I think so.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
I can only name the guy who won it the
first year.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
That's it. What's his name?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Richard Hatch Nice?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah. The car, the car that they got.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, it was like an outback. Wasn't under something like.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It was a It was a Pontiac was supposed to
be like a Pontiac Crossover Pontiac suv O And it
looks distinctively like the Gadget Mobile from Inspector Gags.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Did you know another contestant Sue Hawk?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Sue Hawk? Was she the runner up?
Speaker 8 (26:59):
She was?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
No, She was the one that eviscerated another contestant that
I won't say their name in the tribal council with
Sue Hawk was from Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's right, she had the big Wisconsin accident. Yeah, ye, yeah.
Elizabeth Hasselbeck was not on season one.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
No, no, no. I'll tell you my favorite memory though
about season one because I watched Survivor that I left
and now we've been back in it for about the
last decade. Was at the end, Jeff Propes asked who
here lost weight, and there was a woman who was
about sixty five seventy that was like the first one
voted out. Her name was Sonya. She was on the
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island for forty eight hours, Okay, then she was gone
and she raised her hand like, all right, when you're
there forty eight hours, you're not losing weight like someone
who was there for thirty eight days. But obviously people
slim down when you're not eating for like a month.
Rudy was on there. Rudy Kelly Wigglesworth was another contestant.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
She was the one that I faced now made him
five years down, thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
To the final and that's who Sue Hawk eviscerated Dan
there is that just made me think of this.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
I forgot the name of the show, but there was
a very popular show in the last five years where
people would try to survive out in the wilderness and
the men with the most amount of like belly fat
would win because they didn't have to worry about eating
as much. They could just burn through their fat sure,
and then they'd be like completely skinny by the end
of this. Like it was called like a loon surviving
a loan or a loan loan survivor.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Or something like that kind of just made me think
of that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That was literally what Richard Hatch said was his strategy there.
He showed up fat and one role.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
What I remember about Survivor was I was in Russia
and I had seen the first couple of shows, and
my mother in law at the time sent us cassette
tapes and we had to be incredibly vigilant, like we're
only going to watch one episode because we had like
Eurosport and one other in speaking TV TV channel that
(29:02):
was like news all the time. Uh it was it
was one of the news. It was like CNN, but
it wasn't CN and I it was BBC BBC. We
had BBC and then we had Eurosport and then there
was a BBC that showed TV shows. So you know,
when you get Survivor cassettes, you're like, oh my god,
these are gold. We're like, all right, we're only gonna
watch it two days a week, one episode at a time.
(29:25):
And I mean we you would like now you're like
watching episodes, You're on your phone, you're getting popcorn, you
do whatever. Like we were locked in on that stuff,
locked in on Survivor. And that is don't call it
throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
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Speaker 9 (29:58):
Do you guys?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Do you guys remember that show? What would you do?
I've Derek Carr did something that I don't know how
many of us would have done. We'll get to that moment. First, though,
we have breaking news. Let me get you to Dan
Fire for the update.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Breaking news from Fox Sports sug. It's breaking news, but
I don't know if it's surprising news. A report from
the NFL network says free age of quarterback Aaron Rodgers
has told the Steelers he will sign a one year
deal to play in Pittsburgh in the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh that's big news.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Jerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Yes,
had to get the both of them in, says Rogers.
Expect is expected to attend minute camp next week.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, Aaron Rodgers, out of the darkness, retreat and into
the into the Steelers Jay Stu, what is give me
the one word to describe your emotion? When you hear that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Very predictable, that's my emotion.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's your emotion. Yeah, Oh, I'm actually surprised. You know
why what do you always say that you root for?
What do you root for in your job? What are
you root for?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I root for chaos, discomfort, root for content?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Content. Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers with the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Aaron Rodgers no showing and not telling anybody
until now and then early Jun be like, yep, go
play for the Steelers. Does that fit the bill?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers great content.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Right exactly. So here's what I here's this is. We're
rolling on this. So we'll put this on social media,
Okay that you will have people say one hundred different
takes on Aaron Rodgers playing this year for the Steelers.
(32:01):
Here's the only one that matters. Okay, and it's not
because I'm saying it. I'm saying it because it's the
take that matters. This is phenomenally good news. It doesn't
mean the Steelers are going to win the Super Bowl,
doesn't even mean to make the playoffs, doesn't mean you'll
have a great season. What it does mean is how
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can you not pay attention to the Steelers? And in
the Steelers defense, they've gone how many years without quality
quarterback playing. It doesn't mean Aaron Rodgers is going to
be vintage or even end of last season in Rodgers,
he may stink, but it makes sense because he was
the best possible option for a team that just needs
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a quarterbacky. He's now going to play for another historic franchise,
Packers being one, Steelers being the next. I don't view
the Jets as a historic franchise, despite the fact they
pulled off what's deemed to be the biggest upset spool history.
But more than anything, it's awesome. One of the greatest
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quarterbacks of our lifetime has committed to playing another year
in the NFL for one of the story franchises and
a long tenured head coach who everybody likes and we
all give a pass because he doesn't have a quarterback
now he does, and a defense. And then the Steelers
and they tailor made it and got rid of their
(33:29):
problem child wide receiver, brought in all these tight ends.
It all seems to work on paper, and it doesn't
matter if it does work, because if you can't be great,
at least be interesting. And the Steelers are interesting. Have
you looked at the I don't love schedule watching, as
we know, but there are two that pop up on
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that schedule for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which feel very delicious
to take a bite out of. Actually three yeh three games.
They opened the season in New York or in Jersey
against the Jets. The fourth game, fourth game of the
season is in Pittsburgh against the Vikings, and after the
(34:17):
bye week, in a couple more games, right, I think
they're in this game seven week eight Sunday Night Football.
They take on the Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers.
So whether or not the Steelers win or lose doesn't
matter to any of us, and definitely doesn't matter to
the NFL. The NFL won today, kids, They won today,
(34:42):
and they won today in no small part because look
at the games. CBS gets the Jets game. I think
that game the uh oh, the Vikings game is not
in Pittsburgh, right, it's somewhere else, Dublin.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Game against Islands in Ireland, Ireland.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And so the NFL network wins on that one. And
why is it it won because that's the Vikings, the
team that he reportedly wanted to play for, right, and
then the Packers is NBC. Everybody wins. Everybody wins. Buyer
your reaction as a native Wisconsin but also somebody who
(35:25):
has never been a big Rogers guy.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, it's about time, Like he needs to be in,
he needs for the betterment of the team. This shouldn't
have gone. It shouldn't go up to training camp. It
shouldn't be one of those things I thought he should
have been there prior. I think he should have been
there these last couple of weeks. I know he has
done throwing sessions, but I at least will give him
a tip of the cap to be like, all right,
let's see it, let's do work. And he's going to
(35:48):
be doing work in June.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I'm excited. Have I won you over Jays too, because
you are a guy that searches for great content. Let
me ask Dan Dakich. The show is called Donut at
Me Double d. Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers. Uh, not
official but Twitter official. What's your reaction?
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Hello? Yes? Dan? Hey? What's up, buddy? I didn't hear it?
Daniel live?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Hey Dan, you're live on national radio. How are you good?
Speaker 8 (36:19):
For me in the nation? My phone kept connecting to
my car and I'm in my house. Weird stuff. What's
going on? Douglas? Hey?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Aaron Rodgers reportedly going to become a Pittsburgh Steeler?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
What do you think?
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Oh? I think it had to happen, right. Do you
know this? You always you always get jobs before they're announced.
And everything seemed way too obvious that he was going
to go there. What is Steelers going to do? No
matter what Donald Trump says, Mason Rudolph is not the
answer to anything. But a good looking guy with a
good mustache. Good for him. It looks like he'll be
(36:52):
there for Minny Camp so good. I was hoping the
Colts would get him now that Anthony Richardson is once
again hurt, but he doesn't. He goes through the Steelers
and I think that was pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Let's get to basketball obviously, you know as a former
head coach, longtime basketballnalist or now you cover all things.
If you were describe the Pacers run to the finals,
what would it be.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
I'm going to say predictable because of how they played
the second half of the season. People don't really understand
they've been I think they had the best record tied
with maybe Cleveland in it in the East second half
of the season. And here's why. I don't know if
it's predictable to go to the finals, you haven't gone
in twenty five years. But unsurprising, let's put it that way.
(37:43):
The people that paid attention because they Doug you know this.
I know I saw something the other day. You know
you got to go two hard times, I think is
what you guys put out on Twitter, and the Pacers did.
Haliburton was terrible early in the year. He admitted he
was terrible. He was soft, he wasn't guarding, and you
know when you go through hard times and then all
of a sudden, since January first, you're playing as good
(38:05):
as basketball as there is in Your point guard's going
nine point eight to one and a half, assists, the turnovers,
and you have real talent on the team. All that
stuff is good. If you don't have real talent, it
doesn't matter. But they got real talent. Sakin is a
real dude. Nemhart is seen as a guy that's tough,
but he's a perfect fit guy. And Nei Smith is
way better than anybody gives him credit for. I think
(38:27):
people are seeing it. So I would have said, you know,
not surprising, maybe not predictable. This is a good basketball team,
and they've played very very They play as well as
any NBA team second half of the season, and isn't
that what matters. You know, first half of the season
is great, but you know, it's a pretty big sample
size since January one, and they've been very, very good.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Why do you think Haliburton has these games where he's
just a guy out there?
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I don't know, Doug. It's frustrating. You know, you look
at the numbers. Just if you just took the numbers
and then their losses, he's eight points six assists in
their wins, he's thirty two or fifteen. You know it was,
honest to god, It's frustrating because Doug, you know, point guard,
you know this better than anybody. Point guard said other
people but he's asked to score. And he would do
(39:16):
this constantly in both of the games where he was
just a guy, he would go down the lane and
as he was clearing the perimeter into the lane, you know,
he's got a nice float game, he's got a nice
pull up game. He was not looking to score. He
was looking to pass. And the pass outs weren't an
advantation advantageous pass out. You know. It was almost like Doug,
(39:41):
I swear to god. It was almost like he had
scripted in his own miney, I'm not scoring today, Like, okay, great,
but that's that's not good. He's got to be a dude.
I got to be a real dude and score first
past second when he gets past the perimeter defense. It's
frustrating as hell to whit. He passed up so many
shots that he is so good at in the two
(40:04):
games where he was bad, and he can't be bad
in this series. He's bad in the game. Pacers are
going to lose. No, not to be fifteen to Zip.
It's funny. He went thirty two points fifteen to Zip.
Assist the turnovers. Nextione was Isaiah Thomas, you know the
Detroit Isaiah Thomas and you ever do that. He's like,
I don't know, you know, nobody does that. He doesn't
(40:24):
have to be that guy every night, but he can
have a couple of games like he had that in
New York Shire.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
And just as you said, another guy, Yeah, Dan Docas
Jonius don't at me on OutKick is his show. He
joins me on the Doug Outleeb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
You've been at this long time player coach now broadcaster
Rick carlosle what what makes him special?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Talking to Scott Pollard, who played you a long time
in the NBA, played for Rick first time, he made
an interesting point and that Mark Boyle, the voice of
the Pacers, said the same thing. When he was first here.
He was very controlling. He was very eight seconds, everybody
got to look over him, run the play. He didn't
run the play right. You're coming out that kind of thing.
And I think like players and most coaches do this.
(41:11):
You know, you're trying to improve all the time. Most
people try to do that. And I really believe that
he learned, and I've heard this from other people that
know Rick, that he learned. Okay, let's make sure that
we adapt on two areas. One the way the game
is being played now. You know it's a more open game,
three point shooting. You you got to adapt to that.
And then the second thing is adapt to the people
(41:33):
that we have and anybody that has that. I've talked to,
and I've talked to people inside the organization and in others.
They say he's done an amazing job at that. You know,
when he had Dirk, he set things up for Dirk,
and if you think about it, you know he set
a defensive strategy. He know as an offensive coach, but
he's set a defensive strategy that beat Lebron and those
guys you know back in the day with Dirk Novinsky
(41:56):
and an older Jason Kidd. And I think that's a
big part of it. I think that that championship earned
him the trust. And I also think this Doug. I
think when you look at organizations and you look at
the Pacers, the ownership the Simon's very stable, whether it's
Herb or the Sons, and Mels passed away, but Herb
(42:16):
or the Sons. And then you look at Kevin Pritchard
and Schad Buchanan the president and general manager, they're all
in line. There's no drama zero, and you got to
mature adult in the room with a proven pedigree in
Rick Carlisle. The whole thing is straight down the line.
There's no wavering, there's no yapp but there's no drama.
There's literally no drama. And they don't have choir boys.
(42:39):
Nobody does, but they have no drama on their team, man,
And everybody tells me a lot of that's due to
the straight line. You just go straight down from Herb
Simon and the Sons to Pritchard, to Buchanan to Carlisle, Halliburton,
They're all kind of everybody's on the same page. Everybody's
(43:00):
pulling in the same direction.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport Trago.
Didn't you have an Indiana senator on earlier this week
talking about Angel?
Speaker 8 (43:12):
Yeah, Jim Banks. People in India are little pissed at
the Fever and a third time that what's her name?
Angel Reese and her crew have accused falsely Fever fans
of being racist, and no one's stepping up for Fever fans,
and Jim Banks said, look, we were owned an apology
(43:32):
by somebody, you know, The Fever haven't apologized to their fans.
The NBA or the WNBA hasn't said anything other than yeah,
we didn't find anything to substantiate it. And I got friends.
This really hit me. I got friend he said, Dad,
I was sitting in the area. There wasn't a word
said racist because we had African American Usians. You think
they're going to take that, you think And he said, like,
(43:54):
I spend twenty five thirty five thousand dollars a year,
bring my daughter the game, by season tickets, by all
this stuff. I've been a blank ton of money. And
he's like, you know, now you're known as a racist
person because the Fever don't ever say, hey, this isn't
our fan base. We could. We don't condone being accused
of something the WNBA. I don't expect Angel Reese to apologize,
(44:18):
but our team should. It's ridiculous and it's the third time,
and you know, enough's enough. You know you know this,
everybody knows this. Somebody's trying to say nonsense about you.
The only way to stop it is to confront it.
And been disappointed as hell in them, been disappointed in
the leadership in Jim Banks State senator said, you know
what I stand with our people. We're on apology and
(44:40):
I agree with it. I totally agree with him. Jim
Bank's a good guy. Obviously there's more important things, you know,
but he's on my show, a sports show, so we're
going to talk about it, you know, So good for him. Man,
he stood up for the people of Indiana.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, I agree. I mean, my first thing is, I
don't know if it was Angelice's people is here's the
biggest issue I have is why do so many pay
attention to people who don't matter on Twitter? Wha? I
mean again, there's there's some common sense there. Like I'm
not saying that there's not people who are racist in
(45:16):
the state of Indiana. I mean again, percentage wise, you know,
even if it's half of one percent, that there's still
that's a number of people. But the likelihood of them
attending a fever game, right and only doing this with
angel Reese and it's because you picked it up when
you're watching a highlight on social media. It's just again,
(45:38):
I just I'm blown away by how many people care
about people we shouldn't care about.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
Doug, if you go to a fever game, which I have, yeah,
it's all little girls. Their moms, their dads. I mean,
this is not a Boston Celtics against the Lakers crowd
in nineteen eighty six. It's like, you know, I mean,
everybody's dressing the Caitlin Clark yellow, whether it's Iowa, whether
(46:06):
it's the Fever. And a couple of my actually two
of my buddies that sat in the area go, I
don't know what the hell. You know, you can make
something up out of anything. In fact, the initial thought
was they were talking about people booing when Angel Reies
got the ball, like you know, people doing college basketball
all the time. But I'm with you, brother, you know
(46:27):
you here's the problem. You make an allegation. And Google's
great in some areas, but Google sucks in other areas
because if you, you know, you look up Fever fans,
you're gonna see allegations of racist and blah blah blah.
And it's one of those deals. Doug wors it's enough
enough enough. You did it once, you did it twice.
That's third time. And Angel Rees and the Chicago Sky
(46:48):
have been shown to be liars. I mean they lied
last year and the video came out. They said they
were not allowed in a hotel room because racist people.
There was one guy asking the question of Kennedy Carr
Rder who cheap shot at Angel Reese. One guy was
out there with a camera. Funny said, hey, have you
talked to Angel Reason and they'll Reese and excuse me?
(47:10):
Have you talked to Caitlin Clark and an Angel Reason?
You know they came out. Well, we were accosted. We
couldn't get in to the point where the Chicago Sky
general manager at saying no, that didn't happen, and the
evidence proved it didn't. It's it's enough, you know, it's
like your kids enough listening to nonsense. I'll take you,
but enough.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well again, the biggest issue is again like I agree,
it's enough, but it's also it's like it's the point
you made previously in regards to Google, like there's no
real way to put the genie back in the bottle.
And you call people racists, and you call fan based
racist and you're like, what just because I'm white does
And I don't like you as a BASKETBA player because
(47:51):
you play for a different team, Well maybe I don't
like your persona. It's not because you're blacking. You labeled
me a racist like, how am I supposed to defend
myself against that out racist?
Speaker 8 (48:01):
That's why I know, That's why, That's why I like
what Jim Banks did because at least now somebody's defending,
you know. And again, defending doesn't erase it. They'll get
me wrong. I mean, defending, you know is after the fact.
And to your point, the genie doesn't go back in
the bottle, Google is forever. But having said that, your
only repercussion, or you can sit there and do what
(48:24):
the fever did, which you say, well, you know where
there's no place for you know, this kind of tie,
you know, and we couldn't substantiate it. Ain't say it
didn't happen, but every account it did not happen. But
I think everybody's so afraid to stand up. I think
everybody's so afraid to stand up to the old school
guard of the w NBA out of fear that they'll
(48:45):
be called racist for denying something I don't know's it's
the oddest thing in America. The w NBA, in my opinion,
has shown itself to be exactly what it is, which
is a racist, sexist mess. And screw them, I mean,
they attacked Mike Town one too many times, Jim Banks
is sitting one too many times, and then we're gonna
fight back.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Screw them, Dan Dockets. The show is called Don't At Me.
It's on OutKick dot com. You can check it on
social media as well, of course. Long time basketball coach
and uh uh basketball analysts and national.
Speaker 8 (49:18):
What do you got? Give me your prediction? What do
you got? Who wins?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I think the Thunder win. Everybody does, I know, I
just I just again, like, what is the you know
so much? It's about matchup strength and strength. Pacers have
great depth, so to the Thunder. Yeah, I think that
Haliburton's tremendous, but Shay is more consistent. I do think
(49:42):
Siakam is a special, special player and more consistent than
Jayalen Williams.
Speaker 8 (49:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
But for whatever reason, you know, and maybe it's the
style they play. He's not always emphasized on what they do.
And I get my fear of the Thunder is well.
I think for most people was older team, veteran team
to get thrown around a little bit, kind of what
what Denver did to him before Denver was banged up.
And I don't think that's the Pacers, So, you know,
(50:09):
the one, the one, and like go PACER's great home
court advantage, so does Oklahoma City great. So yes, no question,
two good ones. I Actually I think it's gonna be
a fun series to watch because both teams play fast
and open and free and you know, it's not Iso ball,
it's it's it's not thuggery ball. But but I don't
(50:30):
think Amerca will watch it that much because the names
and the teams and the brands of the players themselves.
Speaker 8 (50:36):
As I tell people at my age, I'm looking for
stuff to do, and my big fat ass is going
to be sitting in front of a TV at a
thirty fruit from my team and I can't wait. How
about that? All right? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
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He was at Aaron Hills last Sunday for the conclusion
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First hour of the show, Dan Dakich, host of Don't
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At Me, will join us. Of course, he's mister Indiana
or Indianapolis, and he'll give us his perspective. There are
some interesting kind of quirks to the Indiana Pacers story.
Also got a it's a kind of fascinating thing on. Like,
I'm not really a Derek Carr guy, but there is
something that Derek Carr did on his way out of
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New Orleans, which I think all of us can say.
It's pretty solid stuff, pretty solid stuff. I don't know
if we can fit it in, but there was Stanley
cupp The Stanley Cup finals were played last night. I
do have just a quick question. I know Bayer knew
because that's buyer, that's kind of stuff. J Did you
(02:00):
know the Stanley Cup Finals were last night?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Did you watch?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Negative?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
You watched Dodd Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Mexican Dan sent me a great SoundBite though, wing Gretzky
making a spot on prediction during that game. We'll get
to that at some point.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I cannot wait, can't wait. It was one of those things.
And my son Hayes is up here with me and
we went after the show, we went out and hit
some golf balls and then had decided, Hey, we're gonna
have dinner at the club, like a bunch couple of
old men, right, And so we're sitting at the at
the golf club at Oneida Country Club Bar and we're
(02:43):
watching the Stanley Cup Finals and he's like, is this
the finals? And I was like, I think so. And
then I said, look up in the corner there. My eyes,
I can't see that. I don't have my glass. I
can't see distance that clear. He's like, yeah, Stanley Cup Finals.
I was like, huh, who knew. He's like, well, I
didn't know. I was like, yeah, but I'm actually sports
and didn't know. So I apologize. We'll get to what
you missed during the show. You know, it's weird. The
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Eastern Conference has this ability to do something that the
Western Conference rarely does, which is produce a random champion.
Have you guys noticed that. We there's a lot of
times in which I've had people, We've had people say, man, dang,
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the greatest thing Lebron James ever did was take that
one NBA one Cleveland Cavalier team before he went to
Miami to the NBA finals. All Right, you guys remember that. Yeah,
I'll give you the year. I mean, but it's it's
(03:53):
it's really interesting right that you go back and the
San Antonio Spurs dominated dominated the Cleveland Cavaliers in two
thousand and seven and they swept him four games to none.
Tony Parker was the MVP. And what's weird is we'll
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sit there and go like it was so amazing. Lebron
took that team to the finals. They did, they did.
What's lost in that is, you know, there was a
Sixers team with Alan Iverson that got there. There was
an Orlando Magic team with Dwight Howard that got there.
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There was a Boston Celtics team that was really loaded, obviously,
and obviously then we had those Heat teams that made
a run, the Cavs team that made a run, but
sprinkled in there. We had the Heat two years ago,
the Pacers this year. I even think you could say
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the Celtics four years ago was a little early. And
the Milwaukee Bucks had been in the playoffs the year
after year after year. They only won the finals when
they one played the Do you guys remember who the
Bucks beat? I know, Bayer, does they beat the Phoenix
Suns coached by many Williams. The Sons were that year's
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random team, but even then, the Milwaukee Bucks needed Kevin
Durant's team to fall apart with injuries and Katie had
his foot on the line. Otherwise they beat him in
Game seven at home without Kyrie Irving, without James Harden.
The point is that these there's a group of these
mostly Eastern Conference random teams that weren't the best team
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or maybe even the second best team in their conference,
that got hot, went on a run or had a
good matchup and get to a finals, and as prisoners
of the moment, we lock in and believe they have
a chance. Now do I think the Pacers have a chance?
I do, But all of the data is telling you
Oklahoma City last two regular seasons have been great and
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Denver was a hard matchup for him this year. Last
year was Dallas that was a hard matchup for him.
But otherwise they've been pretty dominant throughout and that's why
they're a substantial favorite in these NBA finals. And the
other part we have to look at with some of
these outlier teams that have made the finals from the
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Eastern conferences, none of them won a championship. They just didn't.
None of them won a championship. So I'm not saying
it absolutely won't happen. Injuries can be problematic, and I'll
tell you and I'm going to get to what the
biggest I think non storyline storyline of people who watch
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basketball will be, especially in Game one. But the likelihood
of a Pacer championship I think is fairly minimal. Not
because I don't like their team, or I don't like Indiana,
or right don't like Tyrese Haliburton. I just have data
that shows me Oklahoma City's probably the best team in
the NBA. They're playing like the best team in the NBA.
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They have home court advantage, and they do have a
good home court advantage, and the pieces fit together. They
defend well, they rebound well. Like i'd like, tell me
what I'm missing, tell me what I'm missing. Here's it,
here's one. Here's an interesting one. Hey, tell me what
(07:29):
you think about this one. Stut Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Basketball people, and I think a little
bit non basketball people are just fans byra What would
you say is the thing you're watching for tonight? That
might be the most telling. Obviously, in the game, but
then maybe in the series as well.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
The thing I'm most watching for tonight is what happens
in the final six minutes of this game, where I
believe at some point Oklahoma City will have a lead.
And we saw it in the Bucks series, we saw
it in the cav series, we saw it in the
Knick series. Do the Pacers have that ability to come
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back from a deficit and do what they did so
the previous three teams? Is Oklahoma City immune to that?
And It's not that I'm going to tune in at
the six minute mark of the game, right, but it's
just the fact of does this magical run continue for
the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I'll buttress that remarks with this and this I'm not
gonna act like this is my own original thought. I
had an NBA assistant tell me the cool thing about
the Pacers is these things they did in the regular
season as well, and they play with a plan late
in the game, and that they don't just come down
and take, you know, off balance threes and hope for
them to come in like they actually have a plan.
(08:50):
In this particular case, We're going to keep playing with
our pace, playing with our tempo, but also now really
trying to lock in on shooting some threes, and it
has worked for I think the biggest thing I'm looking
for is how the game is officiated. How it's officiated,
and we will hyper focus obviously on Shae whether or
not he can draw fouls in the lane. But I
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think it's generally a level of physicality that both teams
play with. Both teams are crazy physical, both teams have
great depth, and both teams play a style where they're like,
you know, if if you call a foul, that's fine.
You're not gonna call everyone. And there's just such a
dramatic difference in how the games are played and who
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should be favored based upon how the game is officiated.
If it's a tightly officiated game, I think it favors
the thunder. I just do it means Shae marches to
the free throw line. I also think because of their youth,
remember it's the youngest team in the NBA, one of
the things that the Pacers have a tendency to do
is run you off the court because early in the
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first half you're laying the ball in, You're like, man,
this is great, We're just scoring easily. And then you
get tied. I don't know if this team does get tired. So, uh,
that's it's a solid here's a shake. Gilden sala Zander
talk about what his team needs to do to win
the series.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Staying true to who we are is the reason why
we're here. We'd be doing ourselves at disservice if we
if we change or try to be something we're not.
Once we got here, we've had success doing so if
we want to keep having success, we have to be
who we are. And it's organic. So it's nothing like
we have to think about our for us. It just
it's who we are, no matter the moment.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Traders, stay who
we are. Here's his counterpoint, Tyrese Haliburton on what his
team needs to do to be successful.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
They're historically great on both sides of the ball. They
have the MVP. I mean, there's so many different things
that you could name down the list of why they
are so great at what they do and why they're
such a great team. If you want to go through
the best team, you want to go through the best challenge.
So this is the best challenge, and this is the
best team in the NBA has been the best team
in the NBA all year and they're well coach, they
just they just do everything so well. So there's no
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shortcuts to beating this team. And we know the Olds
are stacked against us, but you know, it is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It is what it is. Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (11:10):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
What about you, Doug Gottleb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I
hope you're having a great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show
broadcasting for the What do we determined? It was? Ah,
that's right. I think this is the nineteenth consecutive year
at this time, so it's pretty cool. Got a bunch
to get to this hour. As we get you ready
(11:38):
for the first Game one of the NBA Finals, the
funky Colt Mark Medina will join us. Wayne Gretzky made
a spot on prediction for Game one of the Western
Excuse me, Game one of the Stanley Cup Finals during
the second period break yesterday, Wait till you hear it. Plus,
I do want to mention that Derek Carr story, which
(11:59):
is a pretty good one. Pretty good one and you
can be the biggest Derek Carr hater. Then you're like, yeah,
kind of seems like a good enough dude. So, but
it is a Thursday, and you know, on social media
they call it, you know, throwback Thursday. But Jason Stewart
is the anti well everything normal. So what became a
(12:20):
Dan Byer idea and then transferred into a Jason Stewart production,
we call don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Okay, so don't call to throwback Thursday. Essentially is a
look back, mostly in sports, but some other places at
the year that was Jay Stewart was the year we're
talking about it.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I want
the listeners and everybody involved in the show to think
about the year two thousand. What were you doing twenty
five years ago? You were probably uh right before learning
the term hanging chad. Hanging chad was a very popular
term for a few weeks in two thousand, but before
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we got to there. Larry Bird Hall of Famer Larry Bird,
great Celtics player, was the head coach of the last
Indiana Pacers team to go to the NBA Finals. You
forget Larry Bird was a head coach. You'd probably remember
that Reggie Miller was on the team. Mark Jackson was
on the team. Jalen Rose was paid a lot of
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money to play for the Pacers. But they ran into
the first of three Lakers NBA Championships. Of course, the
Shaq Kobe three peat. But we're focused on the Pacers
because tonight they take on the Thunder in the NBA
Finals and you're thinking, what was the last time they
played in a series of this magnitude? And the answer
(13:49):
is twenty five years ago. I just wanted to focus
on that and how the listeners think about that for
a while. They lost in six games. I remember, if
I remember right, and you tell me, Doug, was that
the pass from Shack to Kobe? Was that the series?
Or am I thinking of a different series?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
It was actually against the Blazers in the Western Conferences.
That's what im is the Blazers in the same year though, Yeah,
I believe, so, yeah, awesome, Well there you go. It
fits in dan Byer other than the Shack to Kobe
Loob pass. What do you remember from the year two thousand?
Can I tell you what I think is interesting because
it pertains to this Pacers team. On My Sunday Show
(14:32):
with Mike Harmen, I compared this NBA Finals to the
Super Bowl matchup we had in two thousand. It's not
the NFL season of two thousand, it's the ninety nine season.
But the Super Bowl again was played in two thousand,
but I think it's Apropo Rams Titans. And again it
was the Saint Louis Rams against the Tennessee Titans. And
it was that season that the Rams were a juggernaut offensively,
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but still they were kind of a Johnny cum Lately
team from a town that we really weren't familiar with
because it had just recently got football back five years prior.
And here come the Tennessee Titans, who had a team
that was even newer to their market. But the Titans
were this grinding out team that upset Jacksonville in the
AFC Championship game, and the Titans were on this magnificent run.
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And don't you know what kind of a baby blue
color lends into this with the thunder kind of the
same with the Titans. So a lot of parallels, maybe
not exactly fitting each team, but guess what that Super
Bowl was a really good super Bowl. It's one of
the more memorable endings that we have. And I think
we're going to have a really good NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Kevin Dyson, Kevin, Yes.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The yard short, Yeah, yard short. I think it was
Robert Towons who made the tackle.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Two thousand is right in my wheelhouse. But I have
a lot going on, right. That was my senior year
in college. Then I played in the USBL Then I
played in the NBA Summer League. Then I got married,
Then I went overseas, and once I went over and
then I came back, and then I was in the
CBA and the IBA and EVENTU and called a couple
of college basketball games that year like that, There was
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a lot and not a lot that I can honestly
square to you.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Go ahead, didn't you? Weren't you knocking on the door
of a final four?
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, we're at the Elite eight.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
And we thought we were going to play Duke. We'd
played Duke my sophomore year, and then Duke was the
top seed. We were I think the three seed Temple
had lost. We played Seaton Hall in the Sweet sixteen
and then played a Florida team that had upset Duke
in the Elite eight. That Florida team turned out to
be loaded with Youdonnis Haslam, Mike Miller, and Matt Bonner,
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among others. I think seven players in that team were
drafted in the NBA draft. We had won, but regardless
of that game, and then they go on and lose
in the finals to Michigan State. But yeah, so I
definitely have a distinct I can tell you everything, chapter
and verse about that year. That was the year that
Kenny Martin famously got hurt right before the tournament and
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cincinnat I got moved from a one to a two seed,
and I don't know even how far they advanced.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, they were, actually they were. Ohio State was a
three seed last year and that year in Ohio State lost.
I actually think they may have been knocked out in
the second round, Doug because Ohio State lost to I
believe it may have been Miami a Florida at that point.
But it was also a wacky year because Wisconsin made
it as an eight seed to the final four, like
I believe North Carolina was also an eight seed.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We're bringing it full circle. Who was the head coach there,
Dick Bennett, Dick Bennett, famous coach here at Greenback.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Absolutely, Tulsa beat Cincinnati in the second round, seventh seventh seed.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Thought, did Tulsa face Miami in the.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
They lost to North Carolina? Yes, Miami the beat.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
They played Miami and beat them.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Okay, that's what North Carolina and Julius Peppers.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Wasn't that Bill?
Speaker 8 (17:52):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes, that was Bill Seal's last game, I think coach
Antulsa and then he went to Illinois.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
At some point. Somebody needs to give me credit for that.
That's not my sho.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
That was good.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But I also nailed Miami beating Ohio State in that
three to six matchup because that was the year. That
was the final year of Schooney pen and Michael Red
and I thought that the Bracky could have opened up
for him, but they lost in the second round after
a Final four appearance the year prior. Yeah, I just
want a little bit of credit for that, just like
Jason wanted a little bit of credit for credit.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Wise Farnest on the room down. Come on, you can
never get credit.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Guy, sure do you guys? Like I have my dog's
three dogs in my house and you guys are just
like that where one comes up it's like, hey, can
you rub me? Neil was like, hey, dude, rub me.
And then I was like, yo yo, what year.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
For golf and what a year for Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Tiger Woods VJ.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Singh won the Masters in two thousand, but then it
was the pure Tiger dominance, a big part of the
Tiger Slam because Tiger won in overwhelming fashion, the most
convincing win that we've seen out the US Open when
he dominated Pebble Beach in two thousand, then went on
and completed the career slam at Saint Andrews at the
(19:03):
Open Championship, and then followed up with that dramatic playoff
victory over Bob May in the two thousand PGA Championship
at Valhalla. A lot of the highlights that you see
from Tiger, the fist pumping, the walking to the hole,
were in that match with Bob May and Valhalla. So
two thousand the year of Tiger Woods in golf.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
One of the rare years in that era. That was
the year of Tiger.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah. Yeah, it never never really happened, never happened too much,
but could have had the career. It could have had
the seasonal Grand Slam if he would have won the
Masters in two thousand, but then won in two thousand
and one, so he held all four major trophies at
one time, hence the Tiger Slam.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
The New York Yankees were finishing off their third straight
World Series title season. I think the ninety eight team
was their best of the three, but two thousand it
was their back to back against the Brave for two
straight years. We got the Yankees and the Braves in
the World Series. The Yankees won in two thousand and
they would not win again for another what nine years,
(20:09):
eight or nine years. Don't remember much from that two
thousand team other than I'm guessing Derek Jeter was on it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Two thousand was the Olympics in Paris.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
I believe Sydney.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Sydney's so I said, two thousand Olympics in Sydney. The
only thing I remember about that was Vince Carter jumping
over Frederick Weiss. That's it, and it was a really
hard This was Remember they had the Dream Team in
ninety eight and then in ninety six I think they
got beaten ninety six. In two thousand, that was when
(20:44):
it started to kind of get Murky for him. But
the Vince Carter Dunk Reigned Supreme is the only thing.
I was in training camp with the team in Italy
and we watched that around a bar. We're like, ohoh,
I've never seen that before.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
The thing that I've forgot about about those games were
that they were actually in September. Yeah, really late, yes,
And I didn't remember that happening. And remember a few
years back when we were talking about the World cop
in it being in November and how crazy it was.
But they were, they were in September of that year,
(21:18):
which I don't I don't even remember that happening in September,
but must have been distracted with football.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I don't remember anything. I remember very little about football
until until September eleventh, all right, was Seboery eleventh?
Speaker 8 (21:34):
That year? Was that?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
The next year?
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I was that year, right, September eleventh, two thousand and one.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Next year, Yeah, but I was. You know, you're traveling
back and forth so much, but I you know, one
of the reasons that I didn't have a honeymoon originally
was because we were supposed to go to Italy to
train with this team, and then my agent called me,
he's like, hey, good news, good news. Training casts been
(21:59):
pushed backcause the Olympic so late. Right, Hey, here's a problem,
Like you can't call me like a week before and go, hey,
go play a honeymoon.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Doesn't work here, you goys.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Quick correction. Our ACE producer Ryan Berschinger has corrected me.
You know, the Yankees beat the Mets in two thousand
and I can't believe I didn't remember that because I Piazza. Yeah,
Yankees and Mets World Series is often confused.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
The Subway Series that we.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
May have.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Played them in two thousand and one after September eleventh,
but it was a year prior that the Subway Series happened.
Mike Piazzo's on that team. I just remember them asking
what Mike Piazzo would he listened to before Every World
Series game is in his discman, and he just played
this for the reporter.
Speaker 9 (22:54):
Hello, Creed, can you take me?
Speaker 10 (23:10):
Revived by Kirk Cousins playing it in NFL locker rooms,
Creed reborn.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
To think that this was actually a good song. At
some point, it wasn't like played in irony like we
played to make fun of it nowadays.
Speaker 10 (23:27):
No, No, it was played ironically now we're back to
liking it for what it was.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
But in two thousand movies.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That year, the top the charts movies that year, the
most watched picture was How the Grinch Stole Christmas?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yep, Jim Carrier, that was good. That's a good Holly movie.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Here's how long we've they've been doing Mission impossibles. That
was Mission Impossible. To the original Gladiator, The Perfect Storm.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
I've seen that one. I love the Perfect great movie,
great cast, perfect.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
The Parents, the first X Men scary movie, which I
know most people laugh at, scared their crap out of me.
I don't like scary movies, and I know that was
supposed to be funny. Yeah, Aaron Brockovich was that year.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Oh, No, scary movie was a that was kind of
like a what do you call horror sumentary comedy?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That was a horror movie. No, it was a scary movie.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
It was a comedy.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
The not so scary movie was a comedy.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
They're all comedies. They're all the Waynes Brothers.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
No, that wasn't the Wayne's Brother was it.
Speaker 10 (24:35):
Yeah, scary scary movie franchise. They made like seven of
them or something, made a lot. Yeah, scary movie is
just that's why it's the whole joke is in the name.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Like scary movie.
Speaker 10 (24:44):
It's like all I mean, Sara, I guess there are
slightly alarming, frightening parts, but.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Uh, Hayes Gottlieb's favorite sports movie was that year, remember
the Titans. It's a good one. That was a good one.
Oh you know what, maybe it was Scream was the.
Speaker 10 (25:01):
Yes, Yes, Scream is like Drew Barrymore and uh yeah
that was Nev Campbell. Yeah those are Yeah, that was
a legit horror movie. But the Scary Movie franchise just
like a playing making fun of all these horror movies.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Hey, we can't.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
We would be remiss if we left Supernatural by Santana
off of this. Uh, because he had two of the
top three songs Smooth featuring Rob Thomas, and then he
had this song and this is one of those albums.
(25:36):
Supernatural came out in ninety nine, two thousand, good front
to back. Every single song he had like collabse with
I think Lauren hill Ski what was it ce Low
I think he was on one of his songs. Just
a ton of ton of great collaborations. This was Santana
(25:57):
featuring the product Gene b Maria Marie good song. Great
album won some Grammys. I believe Mari it was the
album of the year.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
The show Survivor debut, Doug.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Love Survivor, You guys know that's I think the most
influential show in business should be the most influential show
in all of business.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
And of course, could all of us name at least
one cast member from the original Survivor?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
I think so.
Speaker 10 (26:29):
I can only name the guy who won it the
first year.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
That's it. What's his name?
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Richard Hatch Nice?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah. The car, the car that they got.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Yeah, it was like an outback. Wasn't under something like.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
It was a It was a Pontiac was supposed to
be like a Pontiac Crossover Pontiac suv O And it
looks distinctively like the Gadget Mobile from Inspector Gags.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Did you know another contestant Sue Hawk?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Sue Hawk? Was she the runner up?
Speaker 8 (26:59):
She was?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
No, She was the one that eviscerated another contestant that
I won't say their name in the tribal council with
Sue Hawk was from Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That's right, she had the big Wisconsin accident. Yeah, ye, yeah.
Elizabeth Hasselbeck was not on season one.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
No, no, no. I'll tell you my favorite memory though
about season one because I watched Survivor that I left
and now we've been back in it for about the
last decade. Was at the end, Jeff Propes asked who
here lost weight, and there was a woman who was
about sixty five seventy that was like the first one
voted out. Her name was Sonya. She was on the
(27:36):
island for forty eight hours, Okay, then she was gone
and she raised her hand like, all right, when you're
there forty eight hours, you're not losing weight like someone
who was there for thirty eight days. But obviously people
slim down when you're not eating for like a month.
Rudy was on there. Rudy Kelly Wigglesworth was another contestant.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
She was the one that I faced now made him
five years down, thank you.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
To the final and that's who Sue Hawk eviscerated Dan
there is that just made me think of this.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
I forgot the name of the show, but there was
a very popular show in the last five years where
people would try to survive out in the wilderness and
the men with the most amount of like belly fat
would win because they didn't have to worry about eating
as much. They could just burn through their fat sure,
and then they'd be like completely skinny by the end
of this. Like it was called like a loon surviving
a loan or a loan loan survivor.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Or something like that kind of just made me think
of that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
That was literally what Richard Hatch said was his strategy there.
He showed up fat and one role.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
What I remember about Survivor was I was in Russia
and I had seen the first couple of shows, and
my mother in law at the time sent us cassette
tapes and we had to be incredibly vigilant, like we're
only going to watch one episode because we had like
Eurosport and one other in speaking TV TV channel that
(29:02):
was like news all the time. Uh it was it
was one of the news. It was like CNN, but
it wasn't CN and I it was BBC BBC. We
had BBC and then we had Eurosport and then there
was a BBC that showed TV shows. So you know,
when you get Survivor cassettes, you're like, oh my god,
these are gold. We're like, all right, we're only gonna
watch it two days a week, one episode at a time.
(29:25):
And I mean we you would like now you're like
watching episodes, You're on your phone, you're getting popcorn, you
do whatever. Like we were locked in on that stuff,
locked in on Survivor. And that is don't call it
throwback Thursday.
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Speaker 2 (29:55):
It's a Doug Ottleab show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (29:58):
Do you guys?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Do you guys remember that show? What would you do?
I've Derek Carr did something that I don't know how
many of us would have done. We'll get to that moment. First, though,
we have breaking news. Let me get you to Dan
Fire for the update.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Breaking news from Fox Sports sug. It's breaking news, but
I don't know if it's surprising news. A report from
the NFL network says free age of quarterback Aaron Rodgers
has told the Steelers he will sign a one year
deal to play in Pittsburgh in the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh that's big news.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Jerry Dulac of the Pittsburgh The Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Yes,
had to get the both of them in, says Rogers.
Expect is expected to attend minute camp next week.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh, Aaron Rodgers, out of the darkness, retreat and into
the into the Steelers Jay Stu, what is give me
the one word to describe your emotion? When you hear that.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Very predictable, that's my emotion.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's your emotion. Yeah, Oh, I'm actually surprised. You know
why what do you always say that you root for?
What do you root for in your job? What are
you root for?
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I root for chaos, discomfort, root for content?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Content. Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. Aaron Rodgers with the
Pittsburgh Steelers. Aaron Rodgers no showing and not telling anybody
until now and then early Jun be like, yep, go
play for the Steelers. Does that fit the bill?
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers great content.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Right exactly. So here's what I here's this is. We're
rolling on this. So we'll put this on social media,
Okay that you will have people say one hundred different
takes on Aaron Rodgers playing this year for the Steelers.
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Here's the only one that matters. Okay, and it's not
because I'm saying it. I'm saying it because it's the
take that matters. This is phenomenally good news. It doesn't
mean the Steelers are going to win the Super Bowl,
doesn't even mean to make the playoffs, doesn't mean you'll
have a great season. What it does mean is how
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can you not pay attention to the Steelers? And in
the Steelers defense, they've gone how many years without quality
quarterback playing. It doesn't mean Aaron Rodgers is going to
be vintage or even end of last season in Rodgers,
he may stink, but it makes sense because he was
the best possible option for a team that just needs
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a quarterbacky. He's now going to play for another historic franchise,
Packers being one, Steelers being the next. I don't view
the Jets as a historic franchise, despite the fact they
pulled off what's deemed to be the biggest upset spool history.
But more than anything, it's awesome. One of the greatest
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quarterbacks of our lifetime has committed to playing another year
in the NFL for one of the story franchises and
a long tenured head coach who everybody likes and we
all give a pass because he doesn't have a quarterback
now he does, and a defense. And then the Steelers
and they tailor made it and got rid of their
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problem child wide receiver, brought in all these tight ends.
It all seems to work on paper, and it doesn't
matter if it does work, because if you can't be great,
at least be interesting. And the Steelers are interesting. Have
you looked at the I don't love schedule watching, as
we know, but there are two that pop up on
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that schedule for the Pittsburgh Steelers, which feel very delicious
to take a bite out of. Actually three yeh three games.
They opened the season in New York or in Jersey
against the Jets. The fourth game, fourth game of the
season is in Pittsburgh against the Vikings, and after the
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bye week, in a couple more games, right, I think
they're in this game seven week eight Sunday Night Football.
They take on the Green Bay Packers. Green Bay Packers.
So whether or not the Steelers win or lose doesn't
matter to any of us, and definitely doesn't matter to
the NFL. The NFL won today, kids, They won today,
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and they won today in no small part because look
at the games. CBS gets the Jets game. I think
that game the uh oh, the Vikings game is not
in Pittsburgh, right, it's somewhere else, Dublin.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
Game against Islands in Ireland, Ireland.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
And so the NFL network wins on that one. And
why is it it won because that's the Vikings, the
team that he reportedly wanted to play for, right, and
then the Packers is NBC. Everybody wins. Everybody wins. Buyer
your reaction as a native Wisconsin but also somebody who
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has never been a big Rogers guy.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
Yeah, it's about time, Like he needs to be in,
he needs for the betterment of the team. This shouldn't
have gone. It shouldn't go up to training camp. It
shouldn't be one of those things I thought he should
have been there prior. I think he should have been
there these last couple of weeks. I know he has
done throwing sessions, but I at least will give him
a tip of the cap to be like, all right,
let's see it, let's do work. And he's going to
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be doing work in June.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I'm excited. Have I won you over Jays too, because
you are a guy that searches for great content. Let
me ask Dan Dakich. The show is called Donut at
Me Double d. Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers. Uh, not
official but Twitter official. What's your reaction?
Speaker 8 (36:12):
Hello? Yes? Dan? Hey? What's up, buddy? I didn't hear it?
Daniel live?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Hey Dan, you're live on national radio. How are you good?
Speaker 8 (36:19):
For me in the nation? My phone kept connecting to
my car and I'm in my house. Weird stuff. What's
going on? Douglas? Hey?
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Aaron Rodgers reportedly going to become a Pittsburgh Steeler?
Speaker 3 (36:30):
What do you think?
Speaker 8 (36:31):
Oh? I think it had to happen, right. Do you
know this? You always you always get jobs before they're announced.
And everything seemed way too obvious that he was going
to go there. What is Steelers going to do? No
matter what Donald Trump says, Mason Rudolph is not the
answer to anything. But a good looking guy with a
good mustache. Good for him. It looks like he'll be
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there for Minny Camp so good. I was hoping the
Colts would get him now that Anthony Richardson is once
again hurt, but he doesn't. He goes through the Steelers
and I think that was pretty obvious.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Let's get to basketball obviously, you know as a former
head coach, longtime basketballnalist or now you cover all things.
If you were describe the Pacers run to the finals,
what would it be.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
I'm going to say predictable because of how they played
the second half of the season. People don't really understand
they've been I think they had the best record tied
with maybe Cleveland in it in the East second half
of the season. And here's why. I don't know if
it's predictable to go to the finals, you haven't gone
in twenty five years. But unsurprising, let's put it that way.
(37:43):
The people that paid attention because they Doug you know this.
I know I saw something the other day. You know
you got to go two hard times, I think is
what you guys put out on Twitter, and the Pacers did.
Haliburton was terrible early in the year. He admitted he
was terrible. He was soft, he wasn't guarding, and you
know when you go through hard times and then all
of a sudden, since January first, you're playing as good
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as basketball as there is in Your point guard's going
nine point eight to one and a half, assists, the turnovers,
and you have real talent on the team. All that
stuff is good. If you don't have real talent, it
doesn't matter. But they got real talent. Sakin is a
real dude. Nemhart is seen as a guy that's tough,
but he's a perfect fit guy. And Nei Smith is
way better than anybody gives him credit for. I think
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people are seeing it. So I would have said, you know,
not surprising, maybe not predictable. This is a good basketball team,
and they've played very very They play as well as
any NBA team second half of the season, and isn't
that what matters. You know, first half of the season
is great, but you know, it's a pretty big sample
size since January one, and they've been very, very good.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Why do you think Haliburton has these games where he's
just a guy out there?
Speaker 8 (38:55):
I don't know, Doug. It's frustrating. You know, you look
at the numbers. Just if you just took the numbers
and then their losses, he's eight points six assists in
their wins, he's thirty two or fifteen. You know it was,
honest to god, It's frustrating because Doug, you know, point guard,
you know this better than anybody. Point guard said other
people but he's asked to score. And he would do
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this constantly in both of the games where he was
just a guy, he would go down the lane and
as he was clearing the perimeter into the lane, you know,
he's got a nice float game, he's got a nice
pull up game. He was not looking to score. He
was looking to pass. And the pass outs weren't an
advantation advantageous pass out. You know. It was almost like Doug,
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I swear to god. It was almost like he had
scripted in his own miney, I'm not scoring today, Like, okay, great,
but that's that's not good. He's got to be a dude.
I got to be a real dude and score first
past second when he gets past the perimeter defense. It's
frustrating as hell to whit. He passed up so many
shots that he is so good at in the two
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games where he was bad, and he can't be bad
in this series. He's bad in the game. Pacers are
going to lose. No, not to be fifteen to Zip.
It's funny. He went thirty two points fifteen to Zip.
Assist the turnovers. Nextione was Isaiah Thomas, you know the
Detroit Isaiah Thomas and you ever do that. He's like,
I don't know, you know, nobody does that. He doesn't
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have to be that guy every night, but he can
have a couple of games like he had that in
New York Shire.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
And just as you said, another guy, Yeah, Dan Docas
Jonius don't at me on OutKick is his show. He
joins me on the Doug Outleeb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
You've been at this long time player coach now broadcaster
Rick carlosle what what makes him special?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
Talking to Scott Pollard, who played you a long time
in the NBA, played for Rick first time, he made
an interesting point and that Mark Boyle, the voice of
the Pacers, said the same thing. When he was first here.
He was very controlling. He was very eight seconds, everybody
got to look over him, run the play. He didn't
run the play right. You're coming out that kind of thing.
And I think like players and most coaches do this.
(41:11):
You know, you're trying to improve all the time. Most
people try to do that. And I really believe that
he learned, and I've heard this from other people that
know Rick, that he learned. Okay, let's make sure that
we adapt on two areas. One the way the game
is being played now. You know it's a more open game,
three point shooting. You you got to adapt to that.
And then the second thing is adapt to the people
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that we have and anybody that has that. I've talked to,
and I've talked to people inside the organization and in others.
They say he's done an amazing job at that. You know,
when he had Dirk, he set things up for Dirk,
and if you think about it, you know he set
a defensive strategy. He know as an offensive coach, but
he's set a defensive strategy that beat Lebron and those
guys you know back in the day with Dirk Novinsky
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and an older Jason Kidd. And I think that's a
big part of it. I think that that championship earned
him the trust. And I also think this Doug. I
think when you look at organizations and you look at
the Pacers, the ownership the Simon's very stable, whether it's
Herb or the Sons, and Mels passed away, but Herb
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or the Sons. And then you look at Kevin Pritchard
and Schad Buchanan the president and general manager, they're all
in line. There's no drama zero, and you got to
mature adult in the room with a proven pedigree in
Rick Carlisle. The whole thing is straight down the line.
There's no wavering, there's no yapp but there's no drama.
There's literally no drama. And they don't have choir boys.
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Nobody does, but they have no drama on their team, man,
And everybody tells me a lot of that's due to
the straight line. You just go straight down from Herb
Simon and the Sons to Pritchard, to Buchanan to Carlisle, Halliburton,
They're all kind of everybody's on the same page. Everybody's
(43:00):
pulling in the same direction.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sport Trago.
Didn't you have an Indiana senator on earlier this week
talking about Angel?
Speaker 8 (43:12):
Yeah, Jim Banks. People in India are little pissed at
the Fever and a third time that what's her name?
Angel Reese and her crew have accused falsely Fever fans
of being racist, and no one's stepping up for Fever fans,
and Jim Banks said, look, we were owned an apology
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by somebody, you know, The Fever haven't apologized to their fans.
The NBA or the WNBA hasn't said anything other than yeah,
we didn't find anything to substantiate it. And I got friends.
This really hit me. I got friend he said, Dad,
I was sitting in the area. There wasn't a word
said racist because we had African American Usians. You think
they're going to take that, you think And he said, like,
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I spend twenty five thirty five thousand dollars a year,
bring my daughter the game, by season tickets, by all
this stuff. I've been a blank ton of money. And
he's like, you know, now you're known as a racist
person because the Fever don't ever say, hey, this isn't
our fan base. We could. We don't condone being accused
of something the WNBA. I don't expect Angel Reese to apologize,
(44:18):
but our team should. It's ridiculous and it's the third time,
and you know, enough's enough. You know you know this,
everybody knows this. Somebody's trying to say nonsense about you.
The only way to stop it is to confront it.
And been disappointed as hell in them, been disappointed in
the leadership in Jim Banks State senator said, you know
what I stand with our people. We're on apology and
(44:40):
I agree with it. I totally agree with him. Jim
Bank's a good guy. Obviously there's more important things, you know,
but he's on my show, a sports show, so we're
going to talk about it, you know, So good for him. Man,
he stood up for the people of Indiana.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Well, I agree. I mean, my first thing is, I
don't know if it was Angelice's people is here's the
biggest issue I have is why do so many pay
attention to people who don't matter on Twitter? Wha? I
mean again, there's there's some common sense there. Like I'm
not saying that there's not people who are racist in
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the state of Indiana. I mean again, percentage wise, you know,
even if it's half of one percent, that there's still
that's a number of people. But the likelihood of them
attending a fever game, right and only doing this with
angel Reese and it's because you picked it up when
you're watching a highlight on social media. It's just again,
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I just I'm blown away by how many people care
about people we shouldn't care about.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
Doug, if you go to a fever game, which I have, yeah,
it's all little girls. Their moms, their dads. I mean,
this is not a Boston Celtics against the Lakers crowd
in nineteen eighty six. It's like, you know, I mean,
everybody's dressing the Caitlin Clark yellow, whether it's Iowa, whether
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it's the Fever. And a couple of my actually two
of my buddies that sat in the area go, I
don't know what the hell. You know, you can make
something up out of anything. In fact, the initial thought
was they were talking about people booing when Angel Reies
got the ball, like you know, people doing college basketball
all the time. But I'm with you, brother, you know
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you here's the problem. You make an allegation. And Google's
great in some areas, but Google sucks in other areas
because if you, you know, you look up Fever fans,
you're gonna see allegations of racist and blah blah blah.
And it's one of those deals. Doug wors it's enough
enough enough. You did it once, you did it twice.
That's third time. And Angel Rees and the Chicago Sky
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have been shown to be liars. I mean they lied
last year and the video came out. They said they
were not allowed in a hotel room because racist people.
There was one guy asking the question of Kennedy Carr
Rder who cheap shot at Angel Reese. One guy was
out there with a camera. Funny said, hey, have you
talked to Angel Reason and they'll Reese and excuse me?
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Have you talked to Caitlin Clark and an Angel Reason?
You know they came out. Well, we were accosted. We
couldn't get in to the point where the Chicago Sky
general manager at saying no, that didn't happen, and the
evidence proved it didn't. It's it's enough, you know, it's
like your kids enough listening to nonsense. I'll take you,
but enough.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
Well again, the biggest issue is again like I agree,
it's enough, but it's also it's like it's the point
you made previously in regards to Google, like there's no
real way to put the genie back in the bottle.
And you call people racists, and you call fan based
racist and you're like, what just because I'm white does
And I don't like you as a BASKETBA player because
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you play for a different team, Well maybe I don't
like your persona. It's not because you're blacking. You labeled
me a racist like, how am I supposed to defend
myself against that out racist?
Speaker 8 (48:01):
That's why I know, That's why, That's why I like
what Jim Banks did because at least now somebody's defending,
you know. And again, defending doesn't erase it. They'll get
me wrong. I mean, defending, you know is after the fact.
And to your point, the genie doesn't go back in
the bottle, Google is forever. But having said that, your
only repercussion, or you can sit there and do what
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the fever did, which you say, well, you know where
there's no place for you know, this kind of tie,
you know, and we couldn't substantiate it. Ain't say it
didn't happen, but every account it did not happen. But
I think everybody's so afraid to stand up. I think
everybody's so afraid to stand up to the old school
guard of the w NBA out of fear that they'll
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be called racist for denying something I don't know's it's
the oddest thing in America. The w NBA, in my opinion,
has shown itself to be exactly what it is, which
is a racist, sexist mess. And screw them, I mean,
they attacked Mike Town one too many times, Jim Banks
is sitting one too many times, and then we're gonna
fight back.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Screw them, Dan Dockets. The show is called Don't At Me.
It's on OutKick dot com. You can check it on
social media as well, of course. Long time basketball coach
and uh uh basketball analysts and national.
Speaker 8 (49:18):
What do you got? Give me your prediction? What do
you got? Who wins?
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I think the Thunder win. Everybody does, I know, I
just I just again, like, what is the you know
so much? It's about matchup strength and strength. Pacers have
great depth, so to the Thunder. Yeah, I think that
Haliburton's tremendous, but Shay is more consistent. I do think
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Siakam is a special, special player and more consistent than
Jayalen Williams.
Speaker 8 (49:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
But for whatever reason, you know, and maybe it's the
style they play. He's not always emphasized on what they do.
And I get my fear of the Thunder is well.
I think for most people was older team, veteran team
to get thrown around a little bit, kind of what
what Denver did to him before Denver was banged up.
And I don't think that's the Pacers, So, you know,
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the one, the one, and like go PACER's great home
court advantage, so does Oklahoma City great. So yes, no question,
two good ones. I Actually I think it's gonna be
a fun series to watch because both teams play fast
and open and free and you know, it's not Iso ball,
it's it's it's not thuggery ball. But but I don't
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think Amerca will watch it that much because the names
and the teams and the brands of the players themselves.
Speaker 8 (50:36):
As I tell people at my age, I'm looking for
stuff to do, and my big fat ass is going
to be sitting in front of a TV at a
thirty fruit from my team and I can't wait. How
about that? All right? Thanks?
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Dan, appreciate you able. That's that's my friend Dan Docks.
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