June 19, 2025 • 47 mins
On a Thursday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Lakers selling 2/3 of their team for $10B and what that means.
In this installment of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday!", Doug and the crew feature the year 2016.
Doug weighs in on Shedeur Sanders getting ticketed for driving over 100 mph. Doug welcomes three-time World Series Champion Curt Schilling onto the show to talk about modern-day pitching, running a baseball team and other major headlines.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's summer, It's June nineteenth. Welcome in. Could be? Could be?
Could be? Could be.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
The last day we have we have basketball, last day
we have NBA basketball. If our head college basketball come
to an end, it could be all coming to an end.
In the very very near term, we'll get to tonight's game.
We'll give you a preview of it. Mark Medina is
going to join us on the show. I think Kurt
(01:00):
Shilling's gonna join us. We'll talk about pictures and we'll
talk about show. Hey, now that he's back as a picture,
what he looks like despite the fact he's coming off
his second Tommy John surgery. Should Sanders in the news
with a speeding ticket over one hundred miles an hour,
We got to have some speeding ticket talk because I
got pulled over for speeding but did not get a
ticket yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
The Bus family is selling off sixty six percent of
the Lakers, and the Lakers are valued at ten billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, you do the math.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Sixty six percent, that's six point six billion dollars or
so in the pockets of Tommy Boy and Tommy Girl
and all of the Bus family that has run the
La Lakers. And I have to be totally honest with you,
I think we're looking at this all wrong. I think
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we're looking at this all wrong because what has a
tendency to happen And Jason just shared it with me,
and I didn't actually even think of it that way.
Jason's a lifelong Los Angelino, right, I mean technically s
Orange County, but whatever, we all get lumped to kind
of the same bucket. And his childhood mirrored mine though
(02:19):
I wasn't born in California, moved to Orange County when
I was six, So our childhood, the Lakers seemingly were
always good, and they had the best broadcaster and chick Hern.
Chick Hern is to Lance New Lakers Basketball Network. They
had the most famous coach, They had one of the
two or three, two of the three biggest names in
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all the NBA seemilarly at all times. Right, it was
Magic and Kareem and then Worthy and then Magic and
ultimately gave way to Shaq and Kobe and then to Lebron.
Like it's the Lakers, and so we have a tendency
when these things happened to look at the Lakers and
think of the dynamics. And I even heard Colins say
(03:04):
they went from analog to digital right away.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The Lakers have been a mom and pop and my
guess is, you bring all that private equity money in
and it's going to be a well oiled machine, but
run very very differently, very much profit first. But that's
I don't think that's the story. Because if you just
take the Lakers, you say, Okay, well maybe they didn't
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want to sell, but ten billion dollars. Everybody has this price,
and that's fair. We do realize that in the last
calendar year or so, the Celtics have been sold, the
Mavericks have been sold, and if you go back to
last summer, Michael Jordan's sold sold a basically controlling Steak
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in the Charlotte Hornets. There are thirty NBA teams. NBA teams,
the two most historic franchises have both been sold in
the last calendar year.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So if we look at this just like you look
at real.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Estate, and you say, yeah, of course, you know, finance
guys end up buying these teams. That tracks that makes sense.
Those guys have just seemingly untold sums of money if
you look at it from the perspective of ownership. Now
the Lakers can go to a spending war with the
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Clippers because the Clippers we're owned by our owned by
Steve Balmer, who's worth untold billions of dollars, and it's
all just a decimal point to him. He's the most
valuable owner in sports, and he's done an incredible job
of building a new arena and supporting the team.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
But I think the.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Bigger story is that whether it's the cost of doing
business or the franchises topping out in terms of their valuation,
the fact that you've had four of them sold during
the short period of time, including the two most historic
franchises sold, albeit for crazy money. The point is that
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these are assets usually don't sell These are forever homes
and yet they've been sold. Heck throwing the Portland Trailblazers
who are being sold and now you got five of thirty,
that's one six the teams of the NBA. And if really,
really smart people who have made a lot of money
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or who have inherited a lot of money, have these
teams in there and being advised to take the big
check and say I'm done here. And remember if it's
about money in the short term, like you don't have
a lot of money, If you're franchise is valued at eight, nine,
ten billion dollars and you're the owner, you can in
fact take out alone. My guess is that the uh
(06:05):
that the next wave of contracts because of the new
collective bard In agreement, feels like it's going to be
such a heavy burden to not only win in the NBA,
but look what happened to the Golden State Warriors after
they won another title. You just get luxury attacks to
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death and you're constantly writing checks.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You lose money on a.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Daily and yearly basis, and we say you lose money,
It's not like you're losing a losing one hundred dollars
or even one hundred thousand dollars. You're losing millions, and
at some point it only makes sense to sell. And
when five of thirty are saying now is the time,
it tells you all you need to know about running
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a business in the NBA or owning a team in
the NBA. That the old guard, and it's not even
that old guard. Mark Cuban cashed out. I'm good, I'm done.
I don't need the hassle, I don't need the constant
political fight, I don't need the expenses.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And it is in.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Fact a business, and much like a business. I remember
having a conversation with a buddy mine who runs a
restaurant in Oklahoma, and it was right after COVID. He
was like, we just can't find people to work. We
give bonuses for people for just coming to work. Now,
imagine running an NBA team where you have all the
issues and you don't hire concessions people you don't hire,
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but you do hire your own staff. But everyone feels
that as it's harder and harder to get people to
go to work. And then the top paid people in
all of sports, in all of entertainment, by and large
are athletes and NBA players want to work less, want
to get paid more. That's the narrative for all people.
(08:01):
And they will be paid more, substantially more. And they
have so much power in the market that it makes
it really hard to balance your budget and still find
a way to win basketball games. Yeah, my takeaway is
just different. I'm looking at this and we're hyper focusing
on the Lakers and on the end of the bus
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Family era, and we're going to sit back and say,
you know, I mean, this is actually no different than
crypto replacing staples. A cryptocurrency became a real thing, not
when it gained all its value, but when it put
their name on the most known arena in the Western
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United States.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Instead of looking.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
At like at this like it's a Laker story. And
eventually they'll clean house and you bring in a new
owner and you know he's going to cut ties with
and my guess is he has ties with Magic Johnson.
And it wouldn't surprise me if Magic Johnson gets his
revenge and people who he didn't feel we're loyal to
him will be out in the very near future, just
to guess. But to me, the story is that the
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two most historic franchise in the NBA. Both are being
sold obviously for rookie sums, for record sums, and the
only possible explanation is cost of doing business is high
and getting higher. The valuations are at their peak and
feels like it's buttoned up against the ceiling and really
smart people are saying, you know, I think I'm good here.
(09:37):
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a five to seventy Dodgers. I'll do a network Smith,
which is a fly ball right center field, Tatis on
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Speaker 3 (10:06):
Track, hit the wall.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's gone. It's gone.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Hey, this game is over. Please celebrate in.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Runt of the play, oh walk up home run crew
Will Smith.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
The Dodgers win in the ninth four to three, This
is the best of the Done Dot Leaf Show on
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Speaker 1 (10:32):
What I Want You Do Got Leave Show Fox Sports
Radio coming to you from uh two coasts sort of right.
We got a lot to get to you today. We're
getting ready for a game six to the NBA Finals.
Mark Medina will join us in twenty four minutes. Ge't
wait to talk to the funky col Mendina plus everything
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else going on in the NBA. Dodgers padres walk off
home run by you know what, Chase Dowo. I'm gonna
give you credit. And yeah, as Dan can tell you,
I do a bad job of following up on some
of your guys tweets because they're really good. But as
you pointed out, Chase dou there's lots of catchers that
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are good hitters. The difference to that the Dodgers catcher
is he always plays catcher as a quality hitter. Because
Shoheyo Tani is the dh.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
There's a there aren't many catchers in the Hall of
Fame because catchers wear down because their production at the
point inevitably wears down over the especially as as the
summer moves on and the heat ramps up. You need
to give your catcher's rest. But the problem is, if
you have a guy who's very productive, hitting like three
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point thirty and driving in a bunch of runs, you're
gonna play him every day. The problem is Shohio Tani DH.
He hogs the DH spot. He is immovable, and Will
Smith is a very productive hitter, so they have to
play him at catcher. And he's doing very well with
a walk off last night, and he should get more
credit for that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Love that we can do the more credit thing. We'll
get ready for tonight's game. We'll give you a couple
guys that should get more credit. We'll see with Tyre's
haliburt in game time decision. And I just again, I
have my own thoughts on that. But we do this
every Thursday. It's a way of talking sports, but doing
the nostalgia thing.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We call it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Dan Bayer, what do you have, my friend, Doug, I'm
not sure if I can do this, so I'm Stewart.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, thanks Doug. All taking from here?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
By the way, why does why why does Jason start it?
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Why do you start it that way? Why is this
age you mean you mean thank you, Doug. I'll take
it in here. Yes, I'm glad you guys asked. I'm
glad you asked. Nobody's asked me this. I don't know
if he's still living.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Maybe uh Sam could google it and get it wrong.
If the great Paul Moyer is still alive, it's a
tribute to Paul Moyer. Doug knows Paul Moyer. He was
in this market in the eighties and nineties. He was
He was the greatest news anchor in the history of
Los Angeles. I think he was the first news anchor
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to make a million dollars. He moved from ABC Eyewitnessed
News over to NBC and he was a six o'clock
news anchor. And Paul Moyer would start his newscast every
single night by taking the baton from the five o'clock anchor,
and the five o'clock anchor would be mid sentence and
(13:52):
they'd be for more of the coverage of the fire.
We'll got thank you, Nancy, I'll take it from here,
and he would just cut her off and start the broadcast.
And because it's Paul Moyer, the news that you just
got at five is going to be more important, and
it's going to be better because I'm delivering it to you.
I'm the news anchor that's going to give you the
best news. I'm the one making a million bucks. Thank you, Nancy.
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I'll take it from here.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
According to the highly unreliable AI powered Google, Paul Moyer
is still alive.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
He's eighty four years old. God bless him.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He just turned eighty four on June thirteenth. According to
the highly unreliable Google.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Maybe he's listening right now, Hello Paul Moyer, and I'll
take it from here.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
That's for you, Paul.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Have you ever googled someone from your past and then
their obituary came up and you're like, oh, my goodness,
they passed away. And then you realize that it was
somebody in Arkansas that was like sixty seven years old.
You're like, oh, okay, good like they didn't they didn't
pass away.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Have you ever had that happen?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
It was just someone with the same name, Yes, exact
same name.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
You're like, no, Then you're like, born in nineteen fifty one.
You're like, oh, okay, all right, that has happened. Yeah,
all right, sorry, don't be.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You guys know what happened nine years ago today. No
clue then, Well, the greatest rundown block in the history
of NBA basketball happened. Oh yeah, if that clue isn't enough,
The Calves pulled off the impossible. They completed their comeback
of three game down three games to one against the
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world beating Golden State Warriors one game seven of the
NBA Finals ninety three to eighty nine. A lot of
people give credit to Lebron for that rundown block, but
we all know who who the big star of that
game was, Doug That's right, Kyrie Irving made the Big
Three at the right time nine years ago today. Amazing
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that it's been nine years. Do you think of all
those Calves that won that championship, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson
j R. Smith Jefferson was on that team. You're going
to see him tonight on the broadcast, Moe Williams, Emon Schumpert.
And this was the Warrior team that had not added
KD yet. In fact, it probably prompted them adding Kevin Durant.
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If I'm not mistaken, nine years ago today, Dan, can
you believe it? What do you think about when you
think about.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Thanks Jason, I'll take it from here. I think it's
one of the greatest. I actually think it's the greatest.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
NBA Finals of my lifetime that I can remember, and
there have been some good ones. Lakers Celtics won seven
games in twenty ten, but Game seven was just a
bricklaying fest. I think it's the greatest finals of my lifetime,
which spans forty eight years. And the first NBA Finals
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that I remember was probably eighty five. I don't know
if it was eighty four eighty five, but it was
Celtics Lakers, because I remember in eighty six, I'm like,
what the Lakers aren't in it?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
It's the Rockets.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
But if you go through history and you look at
the one sided affairs or some that maybe were competitive
but didn't have as much star power sorry Spurs, Pistons,
but this had everything. It had drama, it had plays,
it had the comeback, it had the new kids on
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the block, it had the biggest.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Star in the NBA. It went.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
It was just magnificent. And then to end the way
that it did and then changing the course of the history.
I think it's the greatest NBA Finals of my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The least discussed part of it is that, in addition
to the suspension of Draymond Green, Andrew Boge got hurt,
didn't play in five six and seven, or didn't play
beyond at the end of game five six and seven,
and just the incredibly underrated part of those early Warriors teams.
Sure he goes down that series change traumatically. It's not
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an excuse for the Warriors. It's an explanation. You know,
Draymond obviously got suspended, and also I think that was
a cumulative suspend. To remember that was when he stepped
over I think was Lebron James on the ground right
or somebody stepped over him and he jumped up and
punched him in the gonads. But that was the playoff
run where multiple times he gotten called for kicking his
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leg out and hitting guys in their unmentionables, and finally
he got suspended. But Andrew Boga getting hurt to me,
is the least discussed part of the Calves comeback, because
he's a great screener, a tremendous passer, played about half
the game and it changed the dynamics that series completely.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
It's funny, Dog you say this because I'm going to
transition to golf here, because I think when you look
back at what JJ Spahn did this past Sunday, we're
going to look back and look at that pott on eighteen,
when in reality, it was his drive on seventeen that
won him the championship, because that was the hole that
allowed him to have the one shot lead where all
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he had to do was two putt the eighteenth putt.
The putt that he made on eighteen was also aided
which I don't think we'll remember this in history by
Victor Hovelin having the same exact putt in showing him
the line prior. So I think that there's parallels. And
since we're speaking of golf, what a magnificent year twenty
sixteen was for golf. Sure, maybe you're thinking Danny Willett
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winning the Masters isn't the greatest thing in the world,
But then you have Dustin Johnson doing what he did
at Oakmont and striping his drive down the fairway at
eighteen and then striking his second shot just a few
feet from the hole, getting redemption from the previous year.
That was then followed up by you ready for this,
the Mickelson, Hendrik Stenson showdown at Troon Golf played at
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the highest level those level. It was basically a two
man tournament. On the final day, Hendrik Stenson ends up prevailing.
Then he had an early PGA championship because the Olympics
made its golf debut, or golf made its debut in
the Olympics. You had Jimmy Walker winning at Baltus Wall
the Baltus Rawl in late July. And then you had
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Justin Rose winning the gold medal at the Olympics. And
if that wasn't enough, the US won the Ryder Cup
that year at Hazel Team in Minnesota, beating the Europeans,
something that had not happened very often their first win. Yeah,
after getting well, they actually won two thousand and eight,
and then they went again in twenty sixteen. So big
(20:34):
year for golf. In twenty sixteen golf. There what a
year in sports. The Chicago Cubs broke a one hundred
and eight year championship drought by beating the Indians in
seven games. I think they were down three to one
in that series, weren't they Maybe okay, And now they've
started on their one hundred and eight year drought or
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nine years into their one hundred and eight year drought.
Now remember after that, Remember after that World Series, the
conversation was, Oh, this team's gonna win a lot of
these very young superstars.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Chris Bryant, MVP. Chris Bryant right now is collecting chucks
from the Rockies. But he's on a milk carton box
and Denver, nobody knows where the hell he is.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And I'm right now I'm playing Sorry to catch you
off guard there, Jason playing little Go Cubs Go, which
Jonas knocks one of our hosts here. He hates this song.
He's a Cubs fan. It's their rallying song. All right,
back to your regularly scheduled programming. Should we listen to
the chorus real quick?
Speaker 7 (21:37):
And I'm singing, Go Cubs Go?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's nice touch? Say those nice touch, thank you, thank you.
Uh Dan mentioned that the Olympics were that year. Do
you guys remember anything that happened from the Olympics. That's
something in Rio Dajon Ryan Lochtey. Didn't he get into
some drama.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, that was the That was the convenience store bathroom
lockedy gate, Yes, where they said they were robbed.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Good looking guard though, right.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I picked the US men's national swimming team as one
of my Team USA is from a game recently. They
had quite the run there in Rio. But yes, lockeddy
Gate was where they went to this convenience store in
Brazil and they said they were robbed and that turned
out to not be true. Instead they had like crashed
a bathroom and tried to cover that up.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So twenty sixteen in college football was about Clemson finally,
not clemsonning. All right, Lamar Jackson was your Heisman Trophy winner,
but Clemson winning a national championship, finally getting back since
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nineteen eighty right again, national championship game was January nine,
twenty seventeen. But that was the story of sixteen. Was
the Clemson Tigers, not clemsoning.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
And that was Deshaun Watson hitting Hunter Renfro in the
last play of the game.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Not the baseball player, No, the football player.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
No.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
It look like Jalen Hurts and Bama had at one,
but not the case. Right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
If you were to say, in twenty sixteen, Doug just
brought up Lamar Jackson, You just brought up Deshaun Watson.
In nine years, Lamar Jackson will be one of the
highest paid quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. Deshaun
Watson would be the highest paid quarterback in the history
of the NFL, but one would be describably worse in
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reputation than the other. Sure, because even at the time,
I don't think Lamar was considered like a great pro
prospect quarterback Deshaun was. It didn't end up that way.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, Lamar that year they played at Clemson, he really
struggled the first half. Second half he played well, uh,
and it became a close game. But he had one
more year left to play, if I remember correctly, and
again up and down at at Louisville, finished cut poorly
in a bowl game against Mississippi State.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But yeah, you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
If you would have said these are the two highest
payed quarterbacks in the NFL at at a period time
going back to last year, that would attract If you
would have said that of the guys who have been disgraced, uh,
it's the quarterback at Clemson that his own coach called
him Michael Jordan and his personal life was beyond reproach.
People would have said, no way, you're you're you're lying.
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So yeah, it's It's fascinating. What's happened to Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 6 (24:35):
That was also your favorite title game in or at
least ending in college shops. Right, Chris Jenkins sixteen Bang
bang North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, imagine hitting and and what's lost in it
was North Carolina hit a three, unbelievable three to tie it.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Right, game was tied. Marcus Page was.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Marcus Page double clutch three?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I need Marcus p Yeah, And Marcus Page hits it
doing over, calls time out and they come down and
run a play and Chris Jenkins on a pitchback three
hits it as the game expires, And I mean, I
don't know how if you're Jay Wright you maintain that
level of composure. But the watching the ball in the
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air and everything in your life changes as it goes in,
and all you say is bang.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
That's how you know you're cool.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's cool, like you can't that's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I love how this entire segment has gone full circle.
You got the Oakmont, you got Lamar and Deshaun, You've
got Jay Wright, who would have known nine years later
he'd be turning down a Knicks team with three of
his former players. Amazing how the sports world works. But
I remember seeing a feature on Jay Wright and they
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said what are you listening to nowadays? And I was
surprised by his answer.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was this.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
This is Lose Yourself from Justin Bieber at top the
Billboard charts for twenty sixteen off the album Purpose. Now,
for those music enthusiasts, you'd probably think Justin Bieber was
just a teeny bopper who appealed to one audience teenage girls. No, no, no,
I would say Purpose was when he made the turn.
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Purpose was the album where he became a reputable, respected artist.
And he basically he went from this album to becoming
like very respected in the hip hop community where he
would do great features and he would become like a
hip hop artist for the next nine years. Justin Bieber
maybe this was the start of his third act, as
(26:45):
I like to say, in his career.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Movies.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
In twenty sixteen, right, you guys know me, the accountant,
the accountant. It was a big movie that year, So
too is Rogue one a Star Wars story.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I liked Rogue one.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I liked those little tweeters that started ended, and there
wasn't any any carryover from them.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I just watched Rogue one because we finished the second
season of and Or Which buttons up right to Rogue one.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And what I thought should have won best movie that year.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Is, without any question, the best of the Marvel or
DC Comics movies.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's Deadpool.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And my argument behind Deadpool winning Movie of the Year was,
isn't it supposed to be the thing you like watching
the most?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It was like Handmaid's Tale, Like, come on, dude, Handmaid's
Tale or Deadpool.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Deadpool was hysterical.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It was a different way you know what they used meta, Right,
it's a different way of doing a superhero movie, and
they made one of other superhero movies.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I thought it was hysterical. Well, first of all, obviously, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think it's racist to say that any Marvel movie
other than Black Panther wasn't the greatest of all time.
But Deadpool reaches a different audioce Right, that was the
first R rated Marvel movie.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Did not know that?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Wow? Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And that is don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
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Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's a Doug Gottlab show Fox Sports Radio. So shed
Roth Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one.
And here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've
gotten pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday,
two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty
eight to fifty five, which.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
The police officer was in the right hand lane. I
came up into it went from sixty five to fifty
five and she was going like crazy slow, but got
off with a warning. And I guess my thing is
this in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a
great look. We've all had them, try to avoid multiple
(29:29):
speeding tickets. Right, Every speeding ticket is different. It's like
Peyton Annle likes to say that every interception is a
story unto itself. Right, you ever heard that Peyton has
said that. But what I find to be fascinating fascinating
(29:50):
is that Shador Sanders going over one hundred. No one
is going.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
To argue the validity of that ticket.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
From this point right, like you're going and this depends
like if you're in southern California. I got pulled over
once on the fifty five Freeway. The fifty five Freeway
sort of by sex Orange County. Right, it starts and
it used to be actually a road, but starts on
Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into being the fifty
(30:20):
five Freeway and goes all the way up to the
ninety one, which is like that takes you into the
Inland Empire and so on. The north side or west
side of the fifty five Freeway is basically it goes
like Central Orange County to North Orange County. On the
(30:40):
south side, it's the southern part of Central Orange County
in the South County right bisection. I gotta be honest,
I got pulled over. This is probably like ten years ago,
and the cop will be over and he's like, do
you know if esh you're going? I was like, I don't.
I've never seen anybody get pulled over on this road.
And though eighty two sounds really fast, it's like, what
(31:02):
allowed you, outside of hitting your quota to single me out,
to point me out for going eighty two, because everybody's
going eighty two or eighty five, right, But if I
say that with a very reasonable sense of honestly, eighty
five and below is whatever ninety is Your humming is
(31:24):
not arguing once you go over one hundred, you have
no defenders.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
There just isn't. There's no defenders over.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Hum now saying that, And of course zach Eaty got up.
Was it a one oh one or one hundred and
five in a fifty five?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Again, that's on some sort of highway. He's going way
too fast again, same thing, But zach Eady, there's no
history of what people would consider arrogance or entitlement. And
so I I understand if you're sitting there going like, hey,
why would you say Shador Sanders is entitled and acting
(32:04):
entitled by going one hundred miles an hour when you
wouldn't say that about Zachiaty. Well, that's because I have
two years of high major college football evidence where he's
showing off his bling, he's trash talking and talking down
to people who come from lesser means or lesser statue
(32:25):
or what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families,
the way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready
for the NFL Draft. Like if I said, like Shdro
Sanders went one hundred and one driving, and you know
he's driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh one,
Bentley range whatever. I don't even need to look at
(32:45):
what card is. And all of us have some sort
of pr reputation, right, Like I'll give you an example.
Dan works a lot, he works on Sunday, he works
in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm
(33:05):
going and he said I'm sick. And then somebody who's
playing golf, like, hey, I saw Dan Meyer playing eighteen,
He'd be like, yeah, that makes sense, right, because Dan
has a reputation of being a golf guy, loves golf.
Right Shador Sanders getting pulled over for going one hundred
and one, he has a reputation surprises. Nobody feeds into
(33:28):
the idea of entitlement fair unfair. You have to know
that's what human nature does. Doesn't mean I cut him,
but definitely points to that no matter what he wants
to say in front of the camera, and many things
in front of the camera have not been contrite. That
(33:51):
feels like more of an act. This feels more like
whose store is? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio, and uh, who better to catch up with?
During the dog Days as we got a bunch of
baseball to discuss. Then three time World Series champion, one
of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in our lifetime, Kurt
(34:13):
Shilling and Kurt by the Way, has a new podcast
on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game with Kurt Shilling.
It drops Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday nights. Hey, I want
to ask you, Kurt real quick, as we get started
pitching durability, right, I think.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The biggest, biggest frustration.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
In any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys,
they're constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay,
or how young the arms are or old the arms are,
it feels like these guys are more fragile.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Again.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay,
it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the
reality to pitching durability.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at
the base at the major league level, but it's broken
all the way down to the little league. There's been
a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane,
while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than
they ever have. And it's a direct result of this
massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in
(35:17):
the game. And it's broken, it really is. I've done
a lot of work over the last couple of months
on my show going over the draft, this coming draft
and the way, and I'm using air quotes. The experts
have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of
all them, and the ANALOGI us is twenty years ago,
(35:39):
you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen nineteen
different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers. You see at
guys in the same exact way. And it's these velocity
schools that you know, come here, pay this large exorbitant
money and we'll show you how to throw harder. Not
an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're seeing
(35:59):
it the bague global. It's it's like I said, it's
sport wide. It's broken and needs a complete reset. Uh.
And you know, I don't see anybody doing that. And
I'll give you a quick one if if, if somebody's
actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young
man named Chase Dollander who pitches for the Rockies if
you go back on YouTube and look at Chase Doalder
(36:20):
pitching at Georgia and junior College and then at Tennessee
and then at Colorado in the big leagues, he is
after four years, he is throwing the ball the same
exact way he did in junior college, which is an
absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And these guys
are all ranked by how hard they throw a period.
And that's just it, just it's broken. It's horribly broken.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of the Big Show. Kurt Schilling joining us on
the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me
your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just
seen him on the mound of showani as a picture,
what's your email?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Devastating. I mean, he's a top rotation. Here's the thing
that and the reason I think it bothers the saber nutritions.
They can't quantify certain things, and when they can't quantify things,
they discard them. Some guys bodies are just not built
to withstand the rigors of throwing the baseball, which is
(37:25):
a very unnatural thing. I put no farther than Jacob
de Gram, who is to me, had he stayed healthy,
would have been maybe the best picture in the history
of the game. He was Greg Maddix at ninety eight
miles an hour with wipeout off speed stuff. I don't know,
(37:45):
And it gets into the science, but the bottom line is,
and there's a little medical lesson here. So you know,
our body's made up of collagen, which is connective tissue.
Some people's collagen it's just stronger than others. And that's
why guys who break their ank goal as opposed to
another guy on the same accident twist his ankle. Same
thing with pitching and no different. And you're watching guys
(38:09):
who are max effort every pitch and the body can't
do that. The body cannot do that. And those are
the guys who and that's what I said. You saw
a couple more guys go on the DL today. It's
an everyday thing now.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it's basically like, yeah, it's like, well, they're throwing
ninety four mile an hour cutters, what like, there's a
reason that you can't throw it?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Can you do it?
Speaker 8 (38:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But can your arms survive it?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Here's the thing, here's the thing. First off, but people
identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're
talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches.
Nobody doesn't. It doesn't work that way. And most of
these guys are out there throwing three or four pitches
that move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to
all them. That's not how it works. Number one and
(38:58):
number two. If you know the ANALOGI I U is
if you take a very strong, thick piece of chain, right,
let's just say it has you have ten links in
a chain, and I swing it in a circle, and
I have momentum, right, the chain is fine, there's no
you know, I'm not causing stress at any of the connections.
(39:19):
If I take that same chain link and I snap
it like a whip, then you're stressing every connection to
the chain. Right. These guys are snapping the whip every
single pitch and you can't do it. It's just not possible.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Would you ever consider running a team?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interested in
getting back in the game. Now. That's kind of a
recent thing, but I would love to walk in and
sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an
organization from scouting to drafting to developing. Johnny Podres, who
(39:57):
I think was the best pitching coach I ever ever
was around. You used to have a saying that I believe,
I believe, Will Hartily, you give me an arm, I'll
make you an All star because it's not hard to teach.
It just takes a different mindset. And I don't see it. Uh,
(40:18):
and it's it's gone. I mean, you have guys in
the big leagues who are coaching who've never pitched, who've
never the guys that I don't know, is it drive
line or these these velocity clinics are getting hired by
teams to talk to a pitcher. What is it? What
are they going to tell me about pitching in the
seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs,
with the time run on third base? What are those
(40:40):
people going to give me? Brow harder? Because that's the answer,
And you know it's it's the two things directly correlate.
The more effort you put into a pitch, the less
command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well,
there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's
an example. I used to talk about going to the well,
(41:00):
and it's going to the well for me was max effort. Right.
I could go to the well three times in a game.
After the third time, I was done. But if I
didn't have to go to the well till the fifth
or sixth or seventh inning, then I was okay. And
going to the well is like run around third one out,
I need a strikeout. Every pitch is going to be
max effort. Right now, when I'm maxed effort, I'm going
(41:21):
from ninety three to ninety four to ninety seven, ninety eight.
These guys are maxed. These guys are going to the
well every pitch number one and number two. They're doing
it in such a way that they go from ninety
six to ninety seven. That's not it. You know. Greg
Matick had a great line a while back. He said,
when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving
ninety and the other's driving ninety one, can you tell
(41:42):
the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and one's
doing ninety five, you can. These guys are quote unquote
going to the well for and losing command, by the way,
and not getting any velocity every single pitch. It's just
not sustainable.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah yeah, But what would limit you from getting back
into the game would be that you've been out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
How would you go about it?
Speaker 4 (42:08):
I don't Being out of the game, I think has
given me a bird's eye view of things, and I
think that there's a tunnel vision problems sometimes where you know,
you see baseball as an athletics is a game of
copycat right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god, you guys
are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think that there
(42:29):
has to be an approach to pitching from the outside
looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock, because
it does need to be reset.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Ottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio, I did want your thoughts on
the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god,
and it's really interesting here you have a young woman
in Caitlin Clark who's legitimately jitizing she's but there have
(43:03):
been other great players come to the WNBA. What there
hasn't been is the type of great players that brings
mainstream media, that brings moms and their daughters to the games,
families to the games that has a legitimate following.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
For a myriad of reasons.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know, four years at the same school, success in college,
being from the Midwest, girl next door, et cetera. I
just want your your thoughts. I'm not going to change anyway.
When you see Caitlin Clark and what's going on in
the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Well, so, first of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to
be had, right, You've seen a ton of great NBA
player WNBA players, not many have been white, and that
that is absolutely part of this. I mean, Britney Griner
basically said as much, right, which is uncomfortable and stupid.
(43:52):
It's so stupid. Nobody. I can't think of any baseball
player I was ever a fan of where the color
of their skin had anything to do with my rooting
for them. I can't think of any athlete from you know,
and people I'll date myself, but people will talk about
the fact that you know, I talk about Barry Bonds
and Mark maguire very differently, and people say, well, one
(44:15):
guy's black or one guy's white. I said, no, one
guy was a good guy and one guy wasn't. Period.
I don't care about the other stuff. And sports fans
don't either. But the fact of the matter is, I've
never seen a sport try to commit suicide so adamantly
on a daily basis. And you know, if you listen
to the Fever coach the other night, she said the
(44:37):
thing that everybody's thinking, the rest suck. They have to
get better because everybody else is getting better and the
eyes are turning to the game. I was thinking about
this last night. Can you imagine what would happen to
the NBA she walked away today? Can you fathom what
would happen to that sport? And those women are literally
(44:58):
punching the gift horse in the mouth literally and Pokinger
in the eye. She is. There have been superstars before,
but there's never been I don't. I mean, see Steph
Curry with twenty feet more range. It's unbelievable and it's
fun to watch. And I know, God bless Sophie Cunningham
because she's now going to be one of the most
(45:19):
famous WNBA players that ever lived, and rightly so. But
I don't understand it right think about this, Doug. In
our lives, we watched sports change the rules for players.
Michael Jordan right, Lebron James. The WNBA is doing the
(45:39):
exact opposite of all of those things. They're not trying
to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL. The WNBA
is like saying, Okay, beat the hell out of her,
but we're going to call all the other fouls and
it makes.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
No sense she'll The only pushback I would have is
there is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan too.
It remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on
his ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they
end up going on to three straight titles and then six.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Ultimately that happened.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
That happened under the purview of the rest who called
the fouls. I got no right because you and I
are you and I are watching the sport going okay,
she should be ejected, she should be tech, and none
of that's happening in many cases. It's just it's almost like,
you know, there's a ton of people who say sports
are rigged, and you can point to a million things
(46:31):
and say no, they're not. And then there are certain
things that happen, such as the team down thirteen kicking
a fifty yard field goal with two seconds left, Like
there are things that happen where you look at it
and go, wait a minute, maybe it is rigged and
this is one of those things.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Kurt, we got to do this again, really really soon.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Check out brother check out Kurt podcast. It's called The
Complete Game three days a week on YouTube. Download it,
watch it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, kurtch
never shot with his opinions. Kurt Shilling, thanks so much
for joining us on Fox Sports Tradio. Bake Care big Boy,
all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Kurt.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's summer, It's June nineteenth. Welcome in. Could be? Could be?
Could be? Could be.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
The last day we have we have basketball, last day
we have NBA basketball. If our head college basketball come
to an end, it could be all coming to an end.
In the very very near term, we'll get to tonight's game.
We'll give you a preview of it. Mark Medina is
going to join us on the show. I think Kurt
(01:00):
Shilling's gonna join us. We'll talk about pictures and we'll
talk about show. Hey, now that he's back as a picture,
what he looks like despite the fact he's coming off
his second Tommy John surgery. Should Sanders in the news
with a speeding ticket over one hundred miles an hour,
We got to have some speeding ticket talk because I
got pulled over for speeding but did not get a
ticket yesterday.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
But I want to start with this.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
The Bus family is selling off sixty six percent of
the Lakers, and the Lakers are valued at ten billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Okay, you do the math.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Sixty six percent, that's six point six billion dollars or
so in the pockets of Tommy Boy and Tommy Girl
and all of the Bus family that has run the
La Lakers. And I have to be totally honest with you,
I think we're looking at this all wrong. I think
(01:56):
we're looking at this all wrong because what has a
tendency to happen And Jason just shared it with me,
and I didn't actually even think of it that way.
Jason's a lifelong Los Angelino, right, I mean technically s
Orange County, but whatever, we all get lumped to kind
of the same bucket. And his childhood mirrored mine though
(02:19):
I wasn't born in California, moved to Orange County when
I was six, So our childhood, the Lakers seemingly were
always good, and they had the best broadcaster and chick Hern.
Chick Hern is to Lance New Lakers Basketball Network. They
had the most famous coach, They had one of the
two or three, two of the three biggest names in
(02:42):
all the NBA seemilarly at all times. Right, it was
Magic and Kareem and then Worthy and then Magic and
ultimately gave way to Shaq and Kobe and then to Lebron.
Like it's the Lakers, and so we have a tendency
when these things happened to look at the Lakers and
think of the dynamics. And I even heard Colins say
(03:04):
they went from analog to digital right away.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
The Lakers have been a mom and pop and my
guess is, you bring all that private equity money in
and it's going to be a well oiled machine, but
run very very differently, very much profit first. But that's
I don't think that's the story. Because if you just
take the Lakers, you say, Okay, well maybe they didn't
(03:28):
want to sell, but ten billion dollars. Everybody has this price,
and that's fair. We do realize that in the last
calendar year or so, the Celtics have been sold, the
Mavericks have been sold, and if you go back to
last summer, Michael Jordan's sold sold a basically controlling Steak
(03:51):
in the Charlotte Hornets. There are thirty NBA teams. NBA teams,
the two most historic franchises have both been sold in
the last calendar year.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So if we look at this just like you look
at real.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Estate, and you say, yeah, of course, you know, finance
guys end up buying these teams. That tracks that makes sense.
Those guys have just seemingly untold sums of money if
you look at it from the perspective of ownership. Now
the Lakers can go to a spending war with the
(04:35):
Clippers because the Clippers we're owned by our owned by
Steve Balmer, who's worth untold billions of dollars, and it's
all just a decimal point to him. He's the most
valuable owner in sports, and he's done an incredible job
of building a new arena and supporting the team.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
But I think the.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Bigger story is that whether it's the cost of doing
business or the franchises topping out in terms of their valuation,
the fact that you've had four of them sold during
the short period of time, including the two most historic
franchises sold, albeit for crazy money. The point is that
(05:18):
these are assets usually don't sell These are forever homes
and yet they've been sold. Heck throwing the Portland Trailblazers
who are being sold and now you got five of thirty,
that's one six the teams of the NBA. And if really,
really smart people who have made a lot of money
(05:41):
or who have inherited a lot of money, have these
teams in there and being advised to take the big
check and say I'm done here. And remember if it's
about money in the short term, like you don't have
a lot of money, If you're franchise is valued at eight, nine,
ten billion dollars and you're the owner, you can in
fact take out alone. My guess is that the uh
(06:05):
that the next wave of contracts because of the new
collective bard In agreement, feels like it's going to be
such a heavy burden to not only win in the NBA,
but look what happened to the Golden State Warriors after
they won another title. You just get luxury attacks to
(06:27):
death and you're constantly writing checks.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You lose money on a.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Daily and yearly basis, and we say you lose money,
It's not like you're losing a losing one hundred dollars
or even one hundred thousand dollars. You're losing millions, and
at some point it only makes sense to sell. And
when five of thirty are saying now is the time,
it tells you all you need to know about running
(06:51):
a business in the NBA or owning a team in
the NBA. That the old guard, and it's not even
that old guard. Mark Cuban cashed out. I'm good, I'm done.
I don't need the hassle, I don't need the constant
political fight, I don't need the expenses.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
And it is in.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Fact a business, and much like a business. I remember
having a conversation with a buddy mine who runs a
restaurant in Oklahoma, and it was right after COVID. He
was like, we just can't find people to work. We
give bonuses for people for just coming to work. Now,
imagine running an NBA team where you have all the
issues and you don't hire concessions people you don't hire,
(07:35):
but you do hire your own staff. But everyone feels
that as it's harder and harder to get people to
go to work. And then the top paid people in
all of sports, in all of entertainment, by and large
are athletes and NBA players want to work less, want
to get paid more. That's the narrative for all people.
(08:01):
And they will be paid more, substantially more. And they
have so much power in the market that it makes
it really hard to balance your budget and still find
a way to win basketball games. Yeah, my takeaway is
just different. I'm looking at this and we're hyper focusing
on the Lakers and on the end of the bus
(08:22):
Family era, and we're going to sit back and say,
you know, I mean, this is actually no different than
crypto replacing staples. A cryptocurrency became a real thing, not
when it gained all its value, but when it put
their name on the most known arena in the Western
(08:44):
United States.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Instead of looking.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
At like at this like it's a Laker story. And
eventually they'll clean house and you bring in a new
owner and you know he's going to cut ties with
and my guess is he has ties with Magic Johnson.
And it wouldn't surprise me if Magic Johnson gets his
revenge and people who he didn't feel we're loyal to
him will be out in the very near future, just
to guess. But to me, the story is that the
(09:14):
two most historic franchise in the NBA. Both are being
sold obviously for rookie sums, for record sums, and the
only possible explanation is cost of doing business is high
and getting higher. The valuations are at their peak and
feels like it's buttoned up against the ceiling and really
smart people are saying, you know, I think I'm good here.
(09:37):
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Speaker 3 (10:06):
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Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's gone. It's gone.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
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Mark Medina will join us in twenty four minutes. Ge't
wait to talk to the funky col Mendina plus everything
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else going on in the NBA. Dodgers padres walk off
home run by you know what, Chase Dowo. I'm gonna
give you credit. And yeah, as Dan can tell you,
I do a bad job of following up on some
of your guys tweets because they're really good. But as
you pointed out, Chase dou there's lots of catchers that
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are good hitters. The difference to that the Dodgers catcher
is he always plays catcher as a quality hitter. Because
Shoheyo Tani is the dh.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
There's a there aren't many catchers in the Hall of
Fame because catchers wear down because their production at the
point inevitably wears down over the especially as as the
summer moves on and the heat ramps up. You need
to give your catcher's rest. But the problem is, if
you have a guy who's very productive, hitting like three
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point thirty and driving in a bunch of runs, you're
gonna play him every day. The problem is Shohio Tani DH.
He hogs the DH spot. He is immovable, and Will
Smith is a very productive hitter, so they have to
play him at catcher. And he's doing very well with
a walk off last night, and he should get more
credit for that.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Love that we can do the more credit thing. We'll
get ready for tonight's game. We'll give you a couple
guys that should get more credit. We'll see with Tyre's
haliburt in game time decision. And I just again, I
have my own thoughts on that. But we do this
every Thursday. It's a way of talking sports, but doing
the nostalgia thing.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We call it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
Dan Bayer, what do you have, my friend, Doug, I'm
not sure if I can do this, so I'm Stewart.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Yeah, thanks Doug. All taking from here?
Speaker 6 (12:55):
By the way, why does why why does Jason start it?
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Why do you start it that way? Why is this
age you mean you mean thank you, Doug. I'll take
it in here. Yes, I'm glad you guys asked. I'm
glad you asked. Nobody's asked me this. I don't know
if he's still living.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Maybe uh Sam could google it and get it wrong.
If the great Paul Moyer is still alive, it's a
tribute to Paul Moyer. Doug knows Paul Moyer. He was
in this market in the eighties and nineties. He was
He was the greatest news anchor in the history of
Los Angeles. I think he was the first news anchor
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to make a million dollars. He moved from ABC Eyewitnessed
News over to NBC and he was a six o'clock
news anchor. And Paul Moyer would start his newscast every
single night by taking the baton from the five o'clock anchor,
and the five o'clock anchor would be mid sentence and
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they'd be for more of the coverage of the fire.
We'll got thank you, Nancy, I'll take it from here,
and he would just cut her off and start the broadcast.
And because it's Paul Moyer, the news that you just
got at five is going to be more important, and
it's going to be better because I'm delivering it to you.
I'm the news anchor that's going to give you the
best news. I'm the one making a million bucks. Thank you, Nancy.
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I'll take it from here.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
According to the highly unreliable AI powered Google, Paul Moyer
is still alive.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
He's eighty four years old. God bless him.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
He just turned eighty four on June thirteenth. According to
the highly unreliable Google.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Maybe he's listening right now, Hello Paul Moyer, and I'll
take it from here.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
That's for you, Paul.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Have you ever googled someone from your past and then
their obituary came up and you're like, oh, my goodness,
they passed away. And then you realize that it was
somebody in Arkansas that was like sixty seven years old.
You're like, oh, okay, good like they didn't they didn't
pass away.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Have you ever had that happen?
Speaker 5 (14:54):
It was just someone with the same name, Yes, exact
same name.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
You're like, no, Then you're like, born in nineteen fifty one.
You're like, oh, okay, all right, that has happened. Yeah,
all right, sorry, don't be.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
You guys know what happened nine years ago today. No
clue then, Well, the greatest rundown block in the history
of NBA basketball happened. Oh yeah, if that clue isn't enough,
The Calves pulled off the impossible. They completed their comeback
of three game down three games to one against the
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world beating Golden State Warriors one game seven of the
NBA Finals ninety three to eighty nine. A lot of
people give credit to Lebron for that rundown block, but
we all know who who the big star of that
game was, Doug That's right, Kyrie Irving made the Big
Three at the right time nine years ago today. Amazing
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that it's been nine years. Do you think of all
those Calves that won that championship, Kevin Love, Tristan Thompson
j R. Smith Jefferson was on that team. You're going
to see him tonight on the broadcast, Moe Williams, Emon Schumpert.
And this was the Warrior team that had not added
KD yet. In fact, it probably prompted them adding Kevin Durant.
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If I'm not mistaken, nine years ago today, Dan, can
you believe it? What do you think about when you
think about.
Speaker 8 (16:21):
Thanks Jason, I'll take it from here. I think it's
one of the greatest. I actually think it's the greatest.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
NBA Finals of my lifetime that I can remember, and
there have been some good ones. Lakers Celtics won seven
games in twenty ten, but Game seven was just a
bricklaying fest. I think it's the greatest finals of my lifetime,
which spans forty eight years. And the first NBA Finals
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that I remember was probably eighty five. I don't know
if it was eighty four eighty five, but it was
Celtics Lakers, because I remember in eighty six, I'm like,
what the Lakers aren't in it?
Speaker 8 (16:56):
It's the Rockets.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
But if you go through history and you look at
the one sided affairs or some that maybe were competitive
but didn't have as much star power sorry Spurs, Pistons,
but this had everything. It had drama, it had plays,
it had the comeback, it had the new kids on
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the block, it had the biggest.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Star in the NBA. It went.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
It was just magnificent. And then to end the way
that it did and then changing the course of the history.
I think it's the greatest NBA Finals of my lifetime.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The least discussed part of it is that, in addition
to the suspension of Draymond Green, Andrew Boge got hurt,
didn't play in five six and seven, or didn't play
beyond at the end of game five six and seven,
and just the incredibly underrated part of those early Warriors teams.
Sure he goes down that series change traumatically. It's not
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an excuse for the Warriors. It's an explanation. You know,
Draymond obviously got suspended, and also I think that was
a cumulative suspend. To remember that was when he stepped
over I think was Lebron James on the ground right
or somebody stepped over him and he jumped up and
punched him in the gonads. But that was the playoff
run where multiple times he gotten called for kicking his
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leg out and hitting guys in their unmentionables, and finally
he got suspended. But Andrew Boga getting hurt to me,
is the least discussed part of the Calves comeback, because
he's a great screener, a tremendous passer, played about half
the game and it changed the dynamics that series completely.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
It's funny, Dog you say this because I'm going to
transition to golf here, because I think when you look
back at what JJ Spahn did this past Sunday, we're
going to look back and look at that pott on eighteen,
when in reality, it was his drive on seventeen that
won him the championship, because that was the hole that
allowed him to have the one shot lead where all
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he had to do was two putt the eighteenth putt.
The putt that he made on eighteen was also aided
which I don't think we'll remember this in history by
Victor Hovelin having the same exact putt in showing him
the line prior. So I think that there's parallels. And
since we're speaking of golf, what a magnificent year twenty
sixteen was for golf. Sure, maybe you're thinking Danny Willett
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winning the Masters isn't the greatest thing in the world,
But then you have Dustin Johnson doing what he did
at Oakmont and striping his drive down the fairway at
eighteen and then striking his second shot just a few
feet from the hole, getting redemption from the previous year.
That was then followed up by you ready for this,
the Mickelson, Hendrik Stenson showdown at Troon Golf played at
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the highest level those level. It was basically a two
man tournament. On the final day, Hendrik Stenson ends up prevailing.
Then he had an early PGA championship because the Olympics
made its golf debut, or golf made its debut in
the Olympics. You had Jimmy Walker winning at Baltus Wall
the Baltus Rawl in late July. And then you had
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Justin Rose winning the gold medal at the Olympics. And
if that wasn't enough, the US won the Ryder Cup
that year at Hazel Team in Minnesota, beating the Europeans,
something that had not happened very often their first win. Yeah,
after getting well, they actually won two thousand and eight,
and then they went again in twenty sixteen. So big
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year for golf. In twenty sixteen golf. There what a
year in sports. The Chicago Cubs broke a one hundred
and eight year championship drought by beating the Indians in
seven games. I think they were down three to one
in that series, weren't they Maybe okay, And now they've
started on their one hundred and eight year drought or
(20:55):
nine years into their one hundred and eight year drought.
Now remember after that, Remember after that World Series, the
conversation was, Oh, this team's gonna win a lot of
these very young superstars.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Chris Bryant, MVP. Chris Bryant right now is collecting chucks
from the Rockies. But he's on a milk carton box
and Denver, nobody knows where the hell he is.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
And I'm right now I'm playing Sorry to catch you
off guard there, Jason playing little Go Cubs Go, which
Jonas knocks one of our hosts here. He hates this song.
He's a Cubs fan. It's their rallying song. All right,
back to your regularly scheduled programming. Should we listen to
the chorus real quick?
Speaker 7 (21:37):
And I'm singing, Go Cubs Go?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
What do you say?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
That's nice touch? Say those nice touch, thank you, thank you.
Uh Dan mentioned that the Olympics were that year. Do
you guys remember anything that happened from the Olympics. That's
something in Rio Dajon Ryan Lochtey. Didn't he get into
some drama.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Yeah, that was the That was the convenience store bathroom
lockedy gate, Yes, where they said they were robbed.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Good looking guard though, right.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I picked the US men's national swimming team as one
of my Team USA is from a game recently. They
had quite the run there in Rio. But yes, lockeddy
Gate was where they went to this convenience store in
Brazil and they said they were robbed and that turned
out to not be true. Instead they had like crashed
a bathroom and tried to cover that up.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So twenty sixteen in college football was about Clemson finally,
not clemsonning. All right, Lamar Jackson was your Heisman Trophy winner,
but Clemson winning a national championship, finally getting back since
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nineteen eighty right again, national championship game was January nine,
twenty seventeen. But that was the story of sixteen. Was
the Clemson Tigers, not clemsoning.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
And that was Deshaun Watson hitting Hunter Renfro in the
last play of the game.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Not the baseball player, No, the football player.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
No.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
It look like Jalen Hurts and Bama had at one,
but not the case. Right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
If you were to say, in twenty sixteen, Doug just
brought up Lamar Jackson, You just brought up Deshaun Watson.
In nine years, Lamar Jackson will be one of the
highest paid quarterbacks in the history of the NFL. Deshaun
Watson would be the highest paid quarterback in the history
of the NFL, but one would be describably worse in
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reputation than the other. Sure, because even at the time,
I don't think Lamar was considered like a great pro
prospect quarterback Deshaun was. It didn't end up that way.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, Lamar that year they played at Clemson, he really
struggled the first half. Second half he played well, uh,
and it became a close game. But he had one
more year left to play, if I remember correctly, and
again up and down at at Louisville, finished cut poorly
in a bowl game against Mississippi State.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But yeah, you're you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
If you would have said these are the two highest
payed quarterbacks in the NFL at at a period time
going back to last year, that would attract If you
would have said that of the guys who have been disgraced, uh,
it's the quarterback at Clemson that his own coach called
him Michael Jordan and his personal life was beyond reproach.
People would have said, no way, you're you're you're lying.
(24:32):
So yeah, it's It's fascinating. What's happened to Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 6 (24:35):
That was also your favorite title game in or at
least ending in college shops. Right, Chris Jenkins sixteen Bang
bang North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, imagine hitting and and what's lost in it
was North Carolina hit a three, unbelievable three to tie it.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
Right, game was tied. Marcus Page was.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Marcus Page double clutch three?
Speaker 1 (24:58):
I need Marcus p Yeah, And Marcus Page hits it
doing over, calls time out and they come down and
run a play and Chris Jenkins on a pitchback three
hits it as the game expires, And I mean, I
don't know how if you're Jay Wright you maintain that
level of composure. But the watching the ball in the
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air and everything in your life changes as it goes in,
and all you say is bang.
Speaker 8 (25:26):
That's how you know you're cool.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's cool, like you can't that's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I love how this entire segment has gone full circle.
You got the Oakmont, you got Lamar and Deshaun, You've
got Jay Wright, who would have known nine years later
he'd be turning down a Knicks team with three of
his former players. Amazing how the sports world works. But
I remember seeing a feature on Jay Wright and they
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said what are you listening to nowadays? And I was
surprised by his answer.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It was this.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
This is Lose Yourself from Justin Bieber at top the
Billboard charts for twenty sixteen off the album Purpose. Now,
for those music enthusiasts, you'd probably think Justin Bieber was
just a teeny bopper who appealed to one audience teenage girls. No, no, no,
I would say Purpose was when he made the turn.
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Purpose was the album where he became a reputable, respected artist.
And he basically he went from this album to becoming
like very respected in the hip hop community where he
would do great features and he would become like a
hip hop artist for the next nine years. Justin Bieber
maybe this was the start of his third act, as
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I like to say, in his career.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Movies.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
In twenty sixteen, right, you guys know me, the accountant,
the accountant. It was a big movie that year, So
too is Rogue one a Star Wars story.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I liked Rogue one.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I liked those little tweeters that started ended, and there
wasn't any any carryover from them.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I just watched Rogue one because we finished the second
season of and Or Which buttons up right to Rogue one.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And what I thought should have won best movie that year.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Is, without any question, the best of the Marvel or
DC Comics movies.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's Deadpool.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And my argument behind Deadpool winning Movie of the Year was,
isn't it supposed to be the thing you like watching
the most?
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It was like Handmaid's Tale, Like, come on, dude, Handmaid's
Tale or Deadpool.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Deadpool was hysterical.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It was a different way you know what they used meta, Right,
it's a different way of doing a superhero movie, and
they made one of other superhero movies.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I thought it was hysterical. Well, first of all, obviously, yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
I think it's racist to say that any Marvel movie
other than Black Panther wasn't the greatest of all time.
But Deadpool reaches a different audioce Right, that was the
first R rated Marvel movie.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Did not know that?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Wow? Wow?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And that is don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
the nation yet. Catch all of our shows at foxsports
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Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's a Doug Gottlab show Fox Sports Radio. So shed
Roth Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one.
And here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've
gotten pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday,
two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty
eight to fifty five, which.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
The police officer was in the right hand lane. I
came up into it went from sixty five to fifty
five and she was going like crazy slow, but got
off with a warning. And I guess my thing is
this in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a
great look. We've all had them, try to avoid multiple
(29:29):
speeding tickets. Right, Every speeding ticket is different. It's like
Peyton Annle likes to say that every interception is a
story unto itself. Right, you ever heard that Peyton has
said that. But what I find to be fascinating fascinating
(29:50):
is that Shador Sanders going over one hundred. No one
is going.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
To argue the validity of that ticket.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
From this point right, like you're going and this depends
like if you're in southern California. I got pulled over
once on the fifty five Freeway. The fifty five Freeway
sort of by sex Orange County. Right, it starts and
it used to be actually a road, but starts on
Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into being the fifty
(30:20):
five Freeway and goes all the way up to the
ninety one, which is like that takes you into the
Inland Empire and so on. The north side or west
side of the fifty five Freeway is basically it goes
like Central Orange County to North Orange County. On the
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south side, it's the southern part of Central Orange County
in the South County right bisection. I gotta be honest,
I got pulled over. This is probably like ten years ago,
and the cop will be over and he's like, do
you know if esh you're going? I was like, I don't.
I've never seen anybody get pulled over on this road.
And though eighty two sounds really fast, it's like, what
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allowed you, outside of hitting your quota to single me out,
to point me out for going eighty two, because everybody's
going eighty two or eighty five, right, But if I
say that with a very reasonable sense of honestly, eighty
five and below is whatever ninety is Your humming is
(31:24):
not arguing once you go over one hundred, you have
no defenders.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
There just isn't. There's no defenders over.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Hum now saying that, And of course zach Eaty got up.
Was it a one oh one or one hundred and
five in a fifty five?
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Again, that's on some sort of highway. He's going way
too fast again, same thing, But zach Eady, there's no
history of what people would consider arrogance or entitlement. And
so I I understand if you're sitting there going like, hey,
why would you say Shador Sanders is entitled and acting
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entitled by going one hundred miles an hour when you
wouldn't say that about Zachiaty. Well, that's because I have
two years of high major college football evidence where he's
showing off his bling, he's trash talking and talking down
to people who come from lesser means or lesser statue
(32:25):
or what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families,
the way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready
for the NFL Draft. Like if I said, like Shdro
Sanders went one hundred and one driving, and you know
he's driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh one,
Bentley range whatever. I don't even need to look at
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what card is. And all of us have some sort
of pr reputation, right, Like I'll give you an example.
Dan works a lot, he works on Sunday, he works
in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm
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going and he said I'm sick. And then somebody who's
playing golf, like, hey, I saw Dan Meyer playing eighteen,
He'd be like, yeah, that makes sense, right, because Dan
has a reputation of being a golf guy, loves golf.
Right Shador Sanders getting pulled over for going one hundred
and one, he has a reputation surprises. Nobody feeds into
(33:28):
the idea of entitlement fair unfair. You have to know
that's what human nature does. Doesn't mean I cut him,
but definitely points to that no matter what he wants
to say in front of the camera, and many things
in front of the camera have not been contrite. That
(33:51):
feels like more of an act. This feels more like
whose store is? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio, and uh, who better to catch up with?
During the dog Days as we got a bunch of
baseball to discuss. Then three time World Series champion, one
of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in our lifetime, Kurt
(34:13):
Shilling and Kurt by the Way, has a new podcast
on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game with Kurt Shilling.
It drops Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday nights. Hey, I want
to ask you, Kurt real quick, as we get started
pitching durability, right, I think.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
The biggest, biggest frustration.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
In any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys,
they're constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay,
or how young the arms are or old the arms are,
it feels like these guys are more fragile.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Again.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
It feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay,
it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the
reality to pitching durability.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at
the base at the major league level, but it's broken
all the way down to the little league. There's been
a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane,
while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than
they ever have. And it's a direct result of this
massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in
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the game. And it's broken, it really is. I've done
a lot of work over the last couple of months
on my show going over the draft, this coming draft
and the way, and I'm using air quotes. The experts
have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of
all them, and the ANALOGI us is twenty years ago,
(35:39):
you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen nineteen
different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers. You see at
guys in the same exact way. And it's these velocity
schools that you know, come here, pay this large exorbitant
money and we'll show you how to throw harder. Not
an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're seeing
(35:59):
it the bague global. It's it's like I said, it's
sport wide. It's broken and needs a complete reset. Uh.
And you know, I don't see anybody doing that. And
I'll give you a quick one if if, if somebody's
actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young
man named Chase Dollander who pitches for the Rockies if
you go back on YouTube and look at Chase Doalder
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pitching at Georgia and junior College and then at Tennessee
and then at Colorado in the big leagues, he is
after four years, he is throwing the ball the same
exact way he did in junior college, which is an
absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And these guys
are all ranked by how hard they throw a period.
And that's just it, just it's broken. It's horribly broken.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of the Big Show. Kurt Schilling joining us on
the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me
your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just
seen him on the mound of showani as a picture,
what's your email?
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Devastating. I mean, he's a top rotation. Here's the thing
that and the reason I think it bothers the saber nutritions.
They can't quantify certain things, and when they can't quantify things,
they discard them. Some guys bodies are just not built
to withstand the rigors of throwing the baseball, which is
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a very unnatural thing. I put no farther than Jacob
de Gram, who is to me, had he stayed healthy,
would have been maybe the best picture in the history
of the game. He was Greg Maddix at ninety eight
miles an hour with wipeout off speed stuff. I don't know,
(37:45):
And it gets into the science, but the bottom line is,
and there's a little medical lesson here. So you know,
our body's made up of collagen, which is connective tissue.
Some people's collagen it's just stronger than others. And that's
why guys who break their ank goal as opposed to
another guy on the same accident twist his ankle. Same
thing with pitching and no different. And you're watching guys
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who are max effort every pitch and the body can't
do that. The body cannot do that. And those are
the guys who and that's what I said. You saw
a couple more guys go on the DL today. It's
an everyday thing now.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, it's basically like, yeah, it's like, well, they're throwing
ninety four mile an hour cutters, what like, there's a
reason that you can't throw it?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Can you do it?
Speaker 8 (38:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
But can your arms survive it?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
No?
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Here's the thing, here's the thing. First off, but people
identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're
talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches.
Nobody doesn't. It doesn't work that way. And most of
these guys are out there throwing three or four pitches
that move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to
all them. That's not how it works. Number one and
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number two. If you know the ANALOGI I U is
if you take a very strong, thick piece of chain, right,
let's just say it has you have ten links in
a chain, and I swing it in a circle, and
I have momentum, right, the chain is fine, there's no
you know, I'm not causing stress at any of the connections.
(39:19):
If I take that same chain link and I snap
it like a whip, then you're stressing every connection to
the chain. Right. These guys are snapping the whip every
single pitch and you can't do it. It's just not possible.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Would you ever consider running a team?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interested in
getting back in the game. Now. That's kind of a
recent thing, but I would love to walk in and
sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an
organization from scouting to drafting to developing. Johnny Podres, who
(39:57):
I think was the best pitching coach I ever ever
was around. You used to have a saying that I believe,
I believe, Will Hartily, you give me an arm, I'll
make you an All star because it's not hard to teach.
It just takes a different mindset. And I don't see it. Uh,
(40:18):
and it's it's gone. I mean, you have guys in
the big leagues who are coaching who've never pitched, who've
never the guys that I don't know, is it drive
line or these these velocity clinics are getting hired by
teams to talk to a pitcher. What is it? What
are they going to tell me about pitching in the
seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs,
with the time run on third base? What are those
(40:40):
people going to give me? Brow harder? Because that's the answer,
And you know it's it's the two things directly correlate.
The more effort you put into a pitch, the less
command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well,
there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's
an example. I used to talk about going to the well,
(41:00):
and it's going to the well for me was max effort. Right.
I could go to the well three times in a game.
After the third time, I was done. But if I
didn't have to go to the well till the fifth
or sixth or seventh inning, then I was okay. And
going to the well is like run around third one out,
I need a strikeout. Every pitch is going to be
max effort. Right now, when I'm maxed effort, I'm going
(41:21):
from ninety three to ninety four to ninety seven, ninety eight.
These guys are maxed. These guys are going to the
well every pitch number one and number two. They're doing
it in such a way that they go from ninety
six to ninety seven. That's not it. You know. Greg
Matick had a great line a while back. He said,
when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving
ninety and the other's driving ninety one, can you tell
(41:42):
the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and one's
doing ninety five, you can. These guys are quote unquote
going to the well for and losing command, by the way,
and not getting any velocity every single pitch. It's just
not sustainable.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah yeah, But what would limit you from getting back
into the game would be that you've been out of
the game.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
How would you go about it?
Speaker 4 (42:08):
I don't Being out of the game, I think has
given me a bird's eye view of things, and I
think that there's a tunnel vision problems sometimes where you know,
you see baseball as an athletics is a game of
copycat right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god, you guys
are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think that there
(42:29):
has to be an approach to pitching from the outside
looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock, because
it does need to be reset.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Ottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio, I did want your thoughts on
the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god,
and it's really interesting here you have a young woman
in Caitlin Clark who's legitimately jitizing she's but there have
(43:03):
been other great players come to the WNBA. What there
hasn't been is the type of great players that brings
mainstream media, that brings moms and their daughters to the games,
families to the games that has a legitimate following.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
For a myriad of reasons.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
You know, four years at the same school, success in college,
being from the Midwest, girl next door, et cetera. I
just want your your thoughts. I'm not going to change anyway.
When you see Caitlin Clark and what's going on in
the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
Well, so, first of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to
be had, right, You've seen a ton of great NBA
player WNBA players, not many have been white, and that
that is absolutely part of this. I mean, Britney Griner
basically said as much, right, which is uncomfortable and stupid.
(43:52):
It's so stupid. Nobody. I can't think of any baseball
player I was ever a fan of where the color
of their skin had anything to do with my rooting
for them. I can't think of any athlete from you know,
and people I'll date myself, but people will talk about
the fact that you know, I talk about Barry Bonds
and Mark maguire very differently, and people say, well, one
(44:15):
guy's black or one guy's white. I said, no, one
guy was a good guy and one guy wasn't. Period.
I don't care about the other stuff. And sports fans
don't either. But the fact of the matter is, I've
never seen a sport try to commit suicide so adamantly
on a daily basis. And you know, if you listen
to the Fever coach the other night, she said the
(44:37):
thing that everybody's thinking, the rest suck. They have to
get better because everybody else is getting better and the
eyes are turning to the game. I was thinking about
this last night. Can you imagine what would happen to
the NBA she walked away today? Can you fathom what
would happen to that sport? And those women are literally
(44:58):
punching the gift horse in the mouth literally and Pokinger
in the eye. She is. There have been superstars before,
but there's never been I don't. I mean, see Steph
Curry with twenty feet more range. It's unbelievable and it's
fun to watch. And I know, God bless Sophie Cunningham
because she's now going to be one of the most
(45:19):
famous WNBA players that ever lived, and rightly so. But
I don't understand it right think about this, Doug. In
our lives, we watched sports change the rules for players.
Michael Jordan right, Lebron James. The WNBA is doing the
(45:39):
exact opposite of all of those things. They're not trying
to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL. The WNBA
is like saying, Okay, beat the hell out of her,
but we're going to call all the other fouls and
it makes.
Speaker 1 (45:52):
No sense she'll The only pushback I would have is
there is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan too.
It remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on
his ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they
end up going on to three straight titles and then six.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Ultimately that happened.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
That happened under the purview of the rest who called
the fouls. I got no right because you and I
are you and I are watching the sport going okay,
she should be ejected, she should be tech, and none
of that's happening in many cases. It's just it's almost like,
you know, there's a ton of people who say sports
are rigged, and you can point to a million things
(46:31):
and say no, they're not. And then there are certain
things that happen, such as the team down thirteen kicking
a fifty yard field goal with two seconds left, Like
there are things that happen where you look at it
and go, wait a minute, maybe it is rigged and
this is one of those things.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Kurt, we got to do this again, really really soon.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Check out brother check out Kurt podcast. It's called The
Complete Game three days a week on YouTube. Download it,
watch it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, kurtch
never shot with his opinions. Kurt Shilling, thanks so much
for joining us on Fox Sports Tradio. Bake Care big Boy,
all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Kurt.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
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