June 20, 2025 • 48 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Pacers winning game six of the NBA Finals in convincing fashion to force a game seven.
Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to talk about the NBA Finals, and some of the news surrounding the NBA draft and off-season moves.
Doug and the crew discuss the Dodgers-Padres fireworks this week and compare this "rivalry" to others in sports.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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to the longest running afternoon radio show. And we're old
enough to remember.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Back in two ty sixteen when it was last game
Chevin in the NBA Finals. I remember it like it
was yesterday. Lebron James was magnificent. Show too. Is Kyrie
Irvy welcome in?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know? I think there's I you know, like I
have friends who are like, hey, find the dub of
the day. You know, you have a bad day, find
the win of the day. I think my win of
the sports calendar, because really, what happens after Sunday, that's
the flipping of the sports calendar, right, NBA Draft is
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next Tuesday, Cooper Flag, couple others, but not really a
huge but after that we kind of flipped the sports calendar.
You know. Some people say it's when you get to
Baseball All Star break right then that's why we have
SP's because it used to be the dead day. But
it feels like that's the And my biggest win is
also probably jay Stu's biggest win, right, jay Stu has
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us all kind of an agreement that, you know, the NFL.
I don't know if it's the level of Zuopa the
U two album that was a wall wall, but his
win is getting us more over to the side of,
you know, quality of play in the NFL not great,
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and my win is the opposite for basketball, which which
is despite the fact the ratings will be down, it's
been a fun series to watch and it's always interesting
on when now this is the influx of politics and
the political siding and that you can't be in the
middle or you can't agree with the other side on anything,
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because you'll have people that I'm not watching, they don't
play hard, the playoffs last too long. There's just isoball,
there's no defense. There's this is that like you pick
apart every little thing, and then you actually watch this
series and both teams play fast. Indiana better at playing
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fast last night. You have guys that come off the
bench and some of their stars that play incredibly hard.
The level of skill is tremendous. And yeah, there are
some form born players like Shay Gildess Alexander just to
name one, but there are also some stars like Terres
Halbert who are born in the States. And so if
your argument was like, ah, foreign players like you can
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come up with anything you don't like about something, and
usually it's kind of stacked behind the obvious thing, which
is some of the players were politically active or have
been politically active during these very strange political times. But
my win of the year is getting Jay stew to
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watch and go, you know, kind of good hoop. Speaking
of which I thought Tyrese Halburton was outstanding. He was aggressive,
he made big shots. Here's what Alberton said about playing
with a bad calf.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's the finals. I, you know, all of us got
to get everything we have. You know, do you have
everything I have for this group in this locker room.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So I'm just trying to come.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Out here by the best of my ability.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
My guys have had my back all year and especially tonight,
and that means.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The world to me. It's okay, it's okay. I got
a couple, got a couple of days now to take
care of it, get it right, and be ready.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, we got one game, you know, all cards
on the table.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He also did you hear the line? And I thought
it was almost speaking directly to either my daughter Harper
or to Jay Stuh that when he's at home, it's
before he throws on love love actually I'm not not love. Actually,
before he throws on Love Island, he's got to throw
some ice on the caf. Did you hear that one?
Jay Stu? On television?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I saw a reference to Love Island. Yeah, so that's
that's what he was talking about. What he watches it
all the time, and he was he was nursing his
calf while he watched it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes, or you know, I'm in him and his girlfriend
are you know they watched It's it's a like guilty
pleasure watch. So that what that what it is?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, that one's off my radar. I've been it's actually
actually been recommended to me that I watch it. But
I'm just I'm so dedicated to Bachelor and Bachelor in
Paradise first week of July starts up. For those wondering, ooh.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Ooh, that is an absolute poop show usually, right, I mean, really, it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Might be the best of the franchise. You know, it's amazing, Yeah,
because it is.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is an abject disaster, but it's it doesn't it's not.
It's one of those no one even by Bachelor standards.
Everyone knows it's it's going to be a disaster, right, everyone, everyone, Everyone,
everyone knows. And because of it, you know, because of it,
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you can't take it seriously. You don't have to take
it seriously. It's a very light watch. I would say
Love Island a similar type of watch for you. I
think different producers. Obviously, you have to find the different people.
Whereas the thing that you find with The Bachelor in
Paradise is you know these people from your years following
and podcasting about The Bachelor. And let's not get sidetracked.
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The point is okay that I mean, I don't know
how you can't love Halliburton, right, And I almost like
him more because he was so bad in Game five
and he's been so good at other times, the game
winner in game game one, the performance last night, a
couple of fast breaks, off steals and passes that he
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made were outstanding. It's almost like if you hated the
invincibility of Lebron and some of these other guys, right
because Lebron at the end of the day. I mean,
you go back to some of the NBA finals, you know,
subsequent years where you know they lost to Kevin Durant
and the Golden State Warriors, like Lebron would put up
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gargantuan numbers, and so even though I don't think Lebron
played great in the fourth quarter of those games, it
was really hard to argue with those numbers. So it
seemed like, you know, he's just he's that immovable object
and irresistible force. Anyway, point being, Halliburton seems very human,
which is again all new to us that we don't
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usually have this, Like Levery Bird didn't have games where
he couldn't make a bucket in the NBA finals. Not
that I'm comparing, I kind of did compare Tyres Albert
and to Larry Bird. Here's his head coach on Actually,
let's go to Mark dagnall mcdark knows, the head coach
of the Oklahoma City Thunder, his team who usually turns
others over turn the ball over a ton last night,
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here's the coach on his team.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
It was hard tonight. You know, Indiana was great and
we were not. So we have the same opportunity Indiana
does on Sunday. Scorell by zero zero when the ball
goes up in the air. It's a privilege to play
in Game sevens. It's a privilege to play in the finals.
As disappointing as tonight was, we're grateful for the opportunity.
And we put in a lot of work this season
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to be able to play that game at home, you know,
which is exciting to be able to do it in
front of our fans. So, you know, obviously disappointed tonight,
but we'll regroup, get back to zero, learn from it
with clear eyes like we always do, get ourselves as
ready as we can be to play Game seven on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Stut Gottlieb show Fox Sports Trader. That's Mark Dagnoll's the
head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. Here's the star
Shay Gilders Alexander, the MVP of this year's NBA season,
talking about how Game seven against the Nuggets Humble Bragg
was there, uh and that blowout went over the Nuggets
prepares them for Game seven Sunday night.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Fee in the back of our minds for sure. Now,
we didn't play like it at all, and that's why
the night went the way it did. We got exactly
what we deserved, what we earned, and we have to
own that. The way, like the way we felt in
that series was it's a three to three series zero zero.
You have one game to advance and the better team
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will win. And I think it's the exact same thing
because you try to learn from and you try to
put it all together for one night and see where
it takes you.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Stut Gottlieb Show, Fox Portray. That's Shake Gildas Alexander. Yeah,
I don't. Here's my honest thought, buyer, this is This
is as honest as I can be. You ever have
somebody Dan who says I'm a huge sports fan. Oh
you're Fox Sports Trade listen all the time? What do
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you do there? Like, I've been there for how many years?
You've been a Fox Sports radio dad? Yeah, I'll get you.
I remember when I was working at CBS doing the tournament. Oh,
huge college basketball fan? It's what do you do? Right? Yes,
you'll have if if you tell people I'm a big
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sports fan. Hey, are you watching Game seven? Nah. Now
a huge sports fan, right, I mean, isn't that? Are
we okay? I yes, I'm okay shaming people who claim
to be sports fans. And you have two teams they
don't carry the If you don't like the ego of
the Lebron, the ego of the KD, the iso of
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old school basketball, you're like, you know, I like, I
like tame ball better. I just they don't play d like.
If you don't like all this, like, just watch the series.
But regardless of which, it's one game and decides who's
a champion. The crowds have been incredible in the crowd
of Oklahoma City. You know, it's loud city, It's it's
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a remarkable watch. You don't have to know anything about anything.
It's Game seven NBA Finals on a Sunday night. What
are you doing? Right? You come in off the lake
you're watching? I just are you okay with me? I
don't care if you I mean, I don't I'm not
going to change my opinion. But would you share with
me in the opinion that it's a completely phony to
say huge sports fan? You don't watch Game seven? Nah?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Well?
Speaker 8 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely? And I do think that there is
there is a parallel with people who don't want to
do something. They don't want to go to an event,
and they'll have four or five different excuses on why
they don't want to go to the event and why
they can't make it, and the reason is usually just
one reason. And I feel that's the same way with
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the NBA. Where my problem and because I've complained about
the NBA as well, Doug here if the reg season.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Is that so much is.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Made about the playoffs in championships, So that's what to
me diminishes the regular season. And I feel I'd be
a you know, a hypocrite if I wasn't invested into
the playoffs some and invested into the NBA Finals and
obviously invested into Game seven. Now, I mean I have
a dog in the fight on Sunday. However, I feel
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like if you just weren't gonna watch, you weren't gonna
watch anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But and then you're just broadcasting and brag. But okay,
so people who don't, they'll always people. You know, I
like the NCAA tournament better won and done, well, that's
what you have. You literally have that it's one game
you don't have to invest in the rest of it, right,
just one game, one game. I just think it exposes
people as as phonies. I just I hate the Like
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a huge sports fan, I'm about beg sports fan. What
do you do?
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Uh? And again, this series has given you a little
bit of everything. Right, you had the unbelievable comeback and
win in game one, the uh snooze fest in game two,
you had the really surprising also comeback and win for Indiana.
In game three to come back and win for Oklahoma City,
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and game four, the once again dominance at home and
you know, and Tyre's Halberton looked like dude cut off
the leg, shut him down in Game five, and then
the Pacers know, you know, it's the old eighty six Bears.
Weren't beating them the you know, the showtime Lakers weren't beaten,
weren't beating the Pacers last night. They just weren't. They
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looked amazing, the defense, the transition, the athleticism, the three
point shooting. It was, it was. It was really fun.
It's giving you a little bit of everything. And again,
I'm not a Pacer fan. I love the Thunder just
because my time in Oklahoma, and I do know people
in both organizations. But that's not it's about it's this
is just about we talked about earlier this earlier this week,
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and we talked about him something last week, and now
you're talking you don't use a cliche, but there is
a reason that that statements become cliche. They are overused.
But oftentimes they're overused because there's a ton of truth
to them, and the ton of truth to the NBA
Finals in Game seven on a Sunday. And we're not
a rights holder, okay, And I'm gonna be completely honest
(13:27):
with you. We never talked about the Indiana Pacers on
this show. For I don't think outside of the Malice
at the Palace, I don't think I've ever had a
segment talking about the Indiana Pacers ever. I've been doing
this a long time. And it's not out of hatred
or I don't like you, like nothing, It's just what
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was the point I do national Radio. We talked about
the biggest topics today. They were outside of the mouse
of the Palace. That was the last time they were
the topic of the day. And yet I'm just gonna
tell you the cliche is true. It's kind of what
it's all about what it's all about. It's what all
of the pushback to Lebron's statements of you know, he's
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not all about the rings, like, well, what do you
play for? This is what you play for, This is
what you dream of, this is what any kid who's
ever dribbled a basketball and Dan I remember a couple
of years ago went to Mylin High School, which is
really famed Hickory, and uh.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It was the yeah, who's your gym? Nightstown, Indiana?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Right, Okay, but it's the anyone who's ever picked up
a basketball and shot in their driveway or shot in
an empty gym has done either NCAA tournament, high school championship,
NBA Finals game in line game seven, ball goes in,
you're the greatest, ball goes ball goes around and out
and you're a complete dope. So yeah, I mean my
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win for the year is getting Jay Studigo. You know,
I don't want to say this out loud, but NBA
playoffs without Lebron and Steph and Katie it has been
kind of good to watch, right, just like me coming
around to his You know, the NFL can be a
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bit of a rough watch. Now, Look, it's never going
to affect the NFL's ratings because people bet on it,
they're so invested in it, and I'm not chasing ratings.
I don't care if the NBA rates, I really don't.
Doesn't affect me or our business or anything. All I'm
telling you is, don't come at me with a huge
sports fan. Got love your takes, but you know I'm
a big sports bob. I'm not watching game seven. Why
don't say you're a big sports fan when you have
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something a sport that is absolutely one of the three
biggest in the United States, easily one of the two biggest.
One game, likable teams, likable Watch, Competitive Series one team,
by all accounts, didn't everybody ESPN pick them to win?
Like everybody picked them most of them in six? It
goes game seven, and it does feel like anybody's ball game.
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five to shoot, can't clear the shot up top, Siakam
beats the shot clock and delivers a.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Freeman shot ready for ficial just waiting to receive that pass.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Just beautiful execution lectric.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Go well.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You can hardly ask for a better performance, particularly given
the fact that if you didn't play well, your season
would have ended.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
MJB.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
This team this in case you didn't though, NBA Finals
Game seven, and they still have an opportunity to win
a championship.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
How cool is that?
Speaker 11 (16:55):
This is the best of the Done Dot Lead Show
on Fox Sports Radio, Stuck.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So I was
watching the post game coverage on NBA TV last night
and TJ mcconnald's up there, and I've heard TJ mcconnald
say playing hard as a skill, and it's it's you know,
you got a lot of buddies out there, and they'll
text you be like, yoah, that was you, your TJ McConnell,
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like I was in TJ McConnell, like I there were
things I did better than TJ McConnell. But I didn't.
I don't. I'm not. I was not as tough as
and played as hard as that guy plays. Right, And yeah,
it is a skill. It's something that everybody thinks that
there are I'm gonna guess one hundred thousand guys who
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played minor league basketball, who played overseas. They watch and
they look at TJ McConnell, and I like, I'll tell you, honestly,
I did it when he first got into the league,
and you're like, TJ mcconald's in the league. Come on,
I'm better than tea Jim McConnell. Then you watch him play,
You're like, I didn't play as hard as teacher mccadall plays. Uh.
Then his dad pops up when he's at the NBA
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TV desk and does.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
This, Pops, I got one question for you. Why Why
were you harder on him and softer on your daughter?
Speaker 11 (18:24):
He says that it's true. It's true.
Speaker 10 (18:29):
Undefeated state championship. He lost in the state championship. We
lost two games, so undefeated, he didn't play as well.
In the state championship, he played great, but we didn't
win it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Now she's with the Mercury, so I can't.
Speaker 10 (18:48):
Be more pride to say I have a son in
the NBA and I have a daughter in the w
n b A. This is a dream come true, and
I'm going to okac for my son to play in
the Championshi.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Game is it's an unbelievable story. Is his daughter just
made the WNBA Stut Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Mark Stein joins this, You know, Mark, I I just
told I just said it straight up, like, don't tell
me you're a sports fan, you're not going to watch
game seven. This has been a good entertaining series and
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it's one game to decide who wins the championship. But
your honest reaction if I told you at any point
in time before the playoffs, and maybe sometime in the playoffs,
that the finals would go to seven games and that
it would be decided between the Pacers and Oklahoma City,
what would you have said, in say November.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Well, the Oklahoma City part that was feasible and certainly
the way the regular season played out. But look, I've
been racking my brain. I think you know me pretty
well by now. You know I love my NBA history.
They still have to win one more game. And it's
going to be a very hard game to win. And
we saw in the Denver series that everybody thought Okac
was in trouble and they won Game seven in a runaway.
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So it is a tall order to go on the
road and win a game seven. But if the Pacers
can win that Game seven, I have never seen a
better story as an NBA champion. I mean, I think
they are the ultimate Cinderellas in terms of winning it all. Now,
the very first year that I really really really dialed
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into the NBA, the very first year nineteen seventy seven
seventy eight, that is a very special season in my
basketball nerd life, and the Washington Bullets won it all
as a forty four and thirty eighteen, so by record
you would say, okay, that was a longer shot. And
then the Houston Rockets won it all in ninety five
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as a six seed, but they were the defending champions.
And that seventy seven to seventy eight season was a
weird one because the Blazers were defending champions, started fifty
and ten and Walton got hurt, So that was a
weird year and the NBA was much much different back then.
In the modern NBA what the Pacers are doing again,
They've still got they've got to finish it, and they've
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got to win one more and it might be the
toughest game of the old season. But it has been
an absolute it's just surprise after surprise after surprise after surprise.
It has been a tremendous story.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
Okay, I was gonna ask you, I was gonna ask you,
is there is there any other team in your lifetime
that you feel like, is ay more would be a
more surprising champion than these guys.
Speaker 12 (21:42):
No, No, I really don't and and and I don't
think you could compare any other sport anyway, uh, just
because baseball maybe somebody again, Baseball could be so random,
you know.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But in the NBA, keeping.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
Up taping this the NBA, because it's like y bring
a difficult curely curely with your from with NBA goggles on,
it is it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well again, and I'll credit you, Jaysetu because you mentioned
the Raptors. The Raptors had been closed before, added Kawhi Leonard,
and I think they had had the best record in
the easton years before Raptors.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
The Raptors acquired the fin a previous finals MVP. They
also made a mid season trade for Mark Gasol, one
of the best defensive centers of his generation. And look,
I'm not saying Toronto's title wasn't surprising, but again, they
traded for Kawhi Leonard with one year on his contract
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for one reason and one reason only to finally do
it in the playoffs after falling short countless times. And
obviously Golden State's injuries were a factor in that serie
that finals as well. But I think the Pacers are
it's a more the Pacers two best players haliburn Is Satam,
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these are not They did not have Kawhi Leonard's resume.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, no, not, not not even close. But again, there's
there is something. There's there's something to this. And you know, look,
I think the pace of play has been awesome. That
the the market size I think adds to it. Right
with Oklahoma City in Indianapolis, all of it has been great.
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If if Oklahoma City wins it, I undoubtedly we'll get
the beginning of a new dynasty. When we don't know that.
That's just it's just too early. If Indiana wins it,
what will the narrative be.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Well, Look, I would say if if OKC does win,
I mean, they are one of the few teams equipped
in this new and to have a dynasty because they
have so much optionality with their draft picks that they're
going to be able to move salary out but bring
new players in. Like, they are so well set up
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for the future. So in Okase's case, the talk is
unavoidable and it will be justified. Look, coming into this finals,
I dubbed it the Vibes Finals because we had Miles
Turner before this year. He's saying that our team and
their team are fueled by the power of friendship, which, like,
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I don't know how sustainable that is, but I can
promise you there are a lot of teams out there
that hope Miles Turner is correct, because friendship is something
you can build without messing up your salary caps. So look,
I don't know how sustainable it is. I don't know
how replicable it is, if that's even a word, but
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I mean this, you know it would be it would
also you know, it gives hope to the whole league
because the Pacers have done it, like you said, with pace,
but also with depth. They have gone for Halliburt and
Siakam are two very good players. I mean, don't get
me wrong, these are two of the fifteen or twenty
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best players in the league. But they it's the depth
that they put around them too, Like they are not
trying to do it as a super team whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Stug Gottlieb show Fox Sport Trader. That's the voice of
Mark Stein. Mark. How long after Game seven is the
first trade made?
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Well, look, I mean the first trades already happened to me.
I mean that so look, we all have our eyes
on Durant. We're all waiting to see how that's going
to play out. But I mean Memphis and Orlando did
a deal on June fifteen. I mean, that's crazy early
ten days before the draft, right in the middle of
the finals. You know, it does kind of show you
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what it underlines and illustrates what a lot of people
are expecting. That's the kind of action they're expecting. And
it's gonna have to all be trades because nobody has
cap space. And to be honest, the free agent class
isn't exactly teaming with superstar difference makers because very rarely
in the modern NBA do players wait for free agency.
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Everybody does an extension so they don't have to deal
with free agency. So we're gonna see trades, and you
are going to see trades on Draft night for sure,
because picks are going to be moving around. It's gonna
be you know, it will all it will probably all
be over by July fourth, but it will be fireworks
until July fourth. I'm pretty pretty.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Sure what happens. What happens with the Lakers and new ownership, Well, look, in.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
The short term, in the short term, they have to
deal with a salary cap situation that they have, which
is they just don't have a great amount of flexibility.
But for the long term, I think you're going to
see there, you know, the way they've run the Dodgers.
I mean, obviously in baseball it's different because there are
no limits on free agency and they can sign Otani
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and then just keep signing great players. You obviously cannot
do that in the NBA, but they can. They can
beef up infrastructure, they can, you know, by all accounts,
I don't see how this isn't a tremendous thing for
the Lakers. Now we'll have to see how long Jeanie
Buss actually remains as the operating owner of the team.
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But the Dodgers and the Lakers already had a strong
working relationship as it is Magic Johnson, Lon Rosen. These
are two of the most integral figures with the Dodgers,
and they are you know, lifelong, lifelong Laker people really,
So I think a lot of teams in the NBA
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are nervous about it because again, you can't outspend. It's
not even in the NBA. It's not even just the
salary cap. It's when you go into the second apron
and just all the team building tools you lose. So
Steve Balmer has already run into the Steve Balmer would
spend anything he could to make the Clippers better. But
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if you go in the second apron, you can't aggregate
salaries and trades or draft picks kept frozen. You just
run into all these issues building your team. So being
insanely rich it doesn't necessarily give you an advantage in
that space. But there are a lot there are lots
of other ways to boost your organization and make things happen.
And it's it's a very It was a very eye
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catching development, no question.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean my question is do they build their
own arena?
Speaker 9 (28:56):
You know, which they certainly can because they'll have the
fire answers to do it. But when you realize that
it's a purchase price of ten billion and the Lakers
don't have their own arena, it just tells you the
value of the Laker brand. I mean, Sportico valued the
Lakers at eight billion in December, they traded for Luka
(29:16):
Doncic in February, and now they're being sold for at
least ten million, a figure that some people within the
industry think can actually rise. And the Lakers don't own their.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Buildings, which is actually And one of the points I'd
make is normally your president, your GM and especially as
obviously Magic Johnson feels like he's going to try and
get back in there, and he and Polinka, I mean
that didn't work, but Polinka traded for Luca. I don't
see Polinka going anywhere.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I don't know that Magic. I don't know what Magic
really wants. I mean, your Magic could have stayed with
the Lakers. You know, he's the one who left, and
you know he's he's doing things with the Dodgers. He
obviously has a zillion business interest. I mean, Magic and
Genie Buss have been close for decades. If Magic wants
to register an opinion about the Lakers, that's never been
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an issue for him. So I don't know that it's
going to change as dramatically as people think. But you know,
you look at the way they've run the Dodgers, and
how could you if you if the Lakers are your
favorite basketball team, how could you not want the same thing?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Nick job has been open for a couple of weeks. Uh,
they've been pushed away by several coaches who have jobs
and their organizations have you know, re upped Email Udoka,
Jason Kidd, et cetera. What happens with the nixt job?
Speaker 9 (30:41):
Well, they can afford to move flow because they have
the only opening in the league but the realcity. And look,
there are very good coaches available, and Taylor Jenkins and
Mike Brown both interviewed this week. But it you know,
are the Knicks waiting because they're trying? You know, they
hope that someone on their initial list can somehow become available.
(31:03):
And you just said it. Billy Donovan, I reported last
weekend he's in the process of getting an extension with
the Bulls, em Udoka and the Rockets already announced an extension.
So like, the Knicks can go as fast or slow
here as they wish. But again, it is going to
if they hire the available coaches Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins,
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Michael Malone, Mike Budenolzer, Frank Vogel, Like, they're going to
have to do a press conference eventually where they have
to explain to the public, you know, what number choice
is it that they've hired. I mean, they they went
for five fitting coaches and couldn't speak to any of them.
So it's going to be it's going to be a
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very interesting cell to see how the Knicks approached that,
because again the shock that Tom Thibodeau was not as
significant as you would have thought. The shock really stemmed
from the fact that so many teams, so many rival teams,
looked at this and said, surely the Knicks know the
direction they're going if they're firing the coach who's the
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most successful coach they'd had in the twenty first century.
And as they've shown us, they clearly they did not
know who they could get after firing Tom Tibodeau, and
that is where the shock factor lies.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
He is Mark Stein. He publishes a substack and you
need to download it, you need to read it. It's
the Stein Line, longtime NBA reporter and insider. Stein thanks
so much for joining us. Enjoy Game seven. We'll talk
next week.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
Don't be so hard on yourself. You were not TJ McConnell,
but you could pass a little, So don't gey ooe
the on yourself.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
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Last night was Dodgers Padres. It's baseball. And you're like, whoa, whoa.
You know, Game six of the NBA Finals was last night, Gottley,
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But I get it, Okay, but dogs and you had
the h you had the benches clear. You know, you
had more than a kerfuffle. Now that's a bit of
a bean ball war that had begun previous days, right,
and remember you go back to last year when the
Padres had the Dodgers that was in two games to one,
(34:19):
Jase two and seemed to have him dead to rights.
And if you remember at the time the the Padres were,
they were running their mouths. And again it's it's actually
how they do what they do. They have some guys
that that's how they play. It's how they play. It's
a loud group. And then yeah, Dave Roberts came up
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with some story of a ball being thrown in his
direction and the pond for the review it was not.
But whatever it took, the Dodgers rallied, won the series,
went on to win the World Series. So not. You
don't just have two teams to spend a lot. Obviously
Dodgers spend more. You have some bitterness, you know between
the clubs over former Dodgers playing for the Padres. You
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have San Diego people, you know, let's just be honest.
They like Philadelphia, their little brother to Los Angeles. They
got some really cool things. Who doesn't love San Diego.
But there's definitely an insecurity there. And then you have
the idea that two years ago Padres knocked the Dodgers
out of the playoffs. Last year they were knocking on
the door of it talking a bunch of ish, as
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the kids say, only to succumb to the Dodgers and
then ultimately Dodgers win the World Series. Did I sum
it up well off there? Uh Jase Doo.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, I think that's a good setup. I like to
just say that the Dodgers play the right way and
the Podres do not. So this last night was the
fourth game of a four game series. Each game had
a significant amount of tension last night was pretty darn quiet.
In fact, the Dodgers did. I think what they've done
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a couple of times this year. It's an odd trait,
but they do it. They basically punted the game. It
was five to nothing in the ninth and Dave Roberts
put a rookie in just to kind of finish out
the game. A pitch gets away from the rookie and
his tattoos, so it looked bad, but I really do
think it got away from him. So of course the Padres.
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They can't let sleeping dogs lie. They had to hit
Shoho Tani in the bottom of the ninth thankfully show Hey,
and I want to say it's a cultural thing. He
just kind of wanted to de escalate. He's like, there's
no need to empty the benches again. But before that,
there was a significant brewha haa where Mike Shilty and
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Dave Roberts got into it on the field. You rarely
see managers basically go up cap to cap and start
yelling at each other. It was pretty exciting.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, it was. The Padres feel like they've replaced the Giants.
Is that fair as the rival if you will of
the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, they really want to use the word rival. I
think even Daniel Jeremiah are our resident Padre fan, he
acknowledges it as the most exciting matchup in baseball right now.
That's a great way to say right now, in this moment.
But the Giants and Dodgers Quebec one hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Years, Yeah, what's kind of the only exciting right because Cubs,
Cardinals not the same, Red Sox, Yankees not the same.
Speaker 13 (37:33):
Doug if I may, I feel like not being a
Dodgers fan around here and not being any connection to
the Padres either, but being from the Midwest, I feel
like there's a good analogy I've taken from college baseball
and what I mean football. Excuse me of what's gone
on with the pot with this Giants Dodgers Padres and that. Okay,
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the Dodgers are Michigan, the Giants obviously are Ohio State,
but Padres are Michigan State. They're the little brother, and
big brother never wants to admit little brother is a
rival until you really start to get punched in the
face and start getting really kind of upset about it.
And it feels like that's where we're at right now,
and that the Padres, like Dodgers, are having to reckon
the fact that hey, the Padres, your little brother, are
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good enough to hang with you, and you you're kind
of begrudgingly trying to find ways not to call them
your rival because you have this other rival over here
that you have so much more history with.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padres.
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padress.
Speaker 13 (38:36):
No, no, no, I'm just saying it's one it's one way.
It's the Padres absolutely think the Dodgers are their rival.
It's just the Dodgers fans would like to think it's
the Giants are their rival and not reciprocate it to
the Padres.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
No, the Giants have been the rival. Yeah, right, they
go back to New York together. That's that's the point
that that Jason was making. And the Giants have won.
Whether they win three World Series in six years or whatever,
I don't know, buy it. What about you? You give
me your thoughts? Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
The example that I would use is, actually, Doug in
your backyard, Packers Bears is the historic rivalry, but the
Packers Vikings is one of itself, and I always just
point to the packer meme. The packer joke is an
empty bookshelf or an empty trophy case. And then then
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it's saying this is the Minnesota Vikings trophy case where
they like poke fun, but there is there is this
I don't know if hatred is the right word, but
it sure gets to that way.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I almost I don't.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I don't want to say that the Bears and Packers
respect each other, but there is the tradition that Jason
Stewart talks about that is evident in the Packers and Bears,
Whereas when the Vikings came along, they were kind of
thought of as the new kid on the block as
a in that division and with those teams no offense
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to the Lions, but they just hadn't been a part
of the conversation until recently, where I feel like the
Padres play the role of the Vikings where they really
haven't won anything yet. They're trying to be the rival
of the Dodgers, and sure Minnesota may get the best
of green Bay here or there, they don't have any
Super Bowl trophies to show for it, where green Bay does,
and Chicago's got their history, and they do have a
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Super Bowl. But that's how I kind of feel about
the rivalry, to compare it to another sports rivalry.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Here's another kind of point to add to your point,
you know, to add to your point, dan Is, I
think the Vikings thing has always been, Yeah, they haven't
won anything whatever. Adding farv changed its some, right, I'm
sure is that fair?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And then adding many changed it some for the Padres
and the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, different levels, but because many you know wasn't.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, made Machada was on a Dodger for like like
a minute, right as opposed to Farvos forever. But part
of it was, you know, Manny's a guy who you know,
when he first got there, really liked to talk to.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
There's what There's also the just the geography of it, yes,
which you know plays such a role. And it's interesting
because where you are right now, there is nothing more
annoying to someone from Wisconsin than a car with an
Illinois license plate on it in the summertime. Like, it's true,
and I think that you would look at the Twin
Cities and even though Minnesota is Minneapolis right on the
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border basically between Wisconsin and Minnesota, like the Packer fans
are so prevalent. It's not like there's Minnesota fans in
western Wisconsin. It's all Green Bay. And it actually maybe
the other way around that. There are you know, Packer
fans in the Twin Cities area, and so there's a
there's a weird blend there of fans and kids who
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go to high school in Minnesota they go to Wisconsin,
you know, possibly I you know, bunch of friends of
mine are from the state of Minnesota, so you have
that crossover Chicago.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Same thing.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
Geography just plays such a huge role of it, of
the blend of the cities and whatnot. Yet there is
a separation specifically with the Giants and Dodgers because it's
northern California southern Calilifornia, and there's that straight line, you know,
Gurnie Mills is the state line with the Wisconsin and Illinois.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
So there's something to that as well.
Speaker 13 (42:24):
And I think because the trophy case is empty, it
means these small victories you get over the Dodgers mean
a lot more again to the Michigan State Michigan thing too,
like I know a bunch of Michigan State fans they
still hold onto the trouble with a snap game where
Michigan loses that game by bobbling the punt and it
gets straight and it gets stripped out, taken into the
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end zone, no time left for the touchdown. But like
that's held on to by the little brother.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
How many Michigan State Michigan games now off there have
been fights afterwards, And I go back to even of
what we see last night with the Padres to Jason's
point where a lot of this is San Diego instigated.
It feels like like the Packers aren't annocent in the
Bears rivalry from the nineteen eighties when Green Bay wasn't
anything and the Bears were dominant and you had Charles
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Martin throwing Jim McMahon to the ground, you got players
shoving players into opposing benches. Like there is a bit
of that as well with it when you're, you know,
talking about a rivalry, but sometimes it's the team that
doesn't want anything, that seems to stoop to a lower
level that then makes it a rivalry or something that
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has to be dealt with.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
What I like, what I like about the Michigan State analogy,
and I'm not from there, so this is kind of
an outside looking in perspective. Michigan State seems to play
the role of the Padres in this and that it's
only quote a rivalry when the Padres have a good team.
You know, Michigan is the juggernaut there, and when Michigan
State has a good team, then I think they consider
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themselves that rival.
Speaker 13 (43:55):
Yeah, it's just ten years ago with Nardoozi as the coach, right,
they were like of equal standing.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
For one. It just doesn't happen all the time. Dodgers
and Giants are the Ohio State Michigan. They're always going
to be kind of the halves and the teams that
are the biggest rival. But yeah, when Michigan State's really good,
I guess that's when the rivalry kind of kicks in.
That's the same way the Potterys are good now and
they're ride and high, and we all know it'll go
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away sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know what, what I find to be the best
part of it is, did you guys see show Hey
when he got hit first? You know, he got hit
in the leg, And look when they when they ding
Show Hey, that's where you hit a guy, right, It
still hurts in the thigh but that's what you're supposed
to do. But you know, one he pointed the dugout
I'm good, and then two he's literally laughing. He's laughing
(44:46):
at them. You know, I think that's that's that's perfect
big brother material right there.
Speaker 8 (44:54):
Can I tell you what popped into my head, which
I go so I totally get when you're from I'm
a foreign country and you're speaking with the media, you
want to make sure that your words are exact. Hideki
Matsuyama doesn't on the PGA tour uses an interpreter to
speak with the media, but shohe was talking to Luisa
Rayes and was talking to Is the cronin Worth. They
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were having a conversation, and so then you're like, Okay, well,
then why is show he having an interpreter always with
the team right places? Bet I didn't want to say it.
I didn't want to say it. I get the media
aspect of it. You don't want to say something that
you know could be wrong because maybe you don't speak as.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Fluent in that language.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
But I just thought it was interesting that he was
having full blown conversations with whoever was at first for
the Padres at that time.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, yeah, it could have been like Serrano though in
Major League. You bring that to me, man, you bring
that to me.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Could we place Silty last night, because uh, he's got
himself a red ass and there was just a great
exchange last night. Shilty and Roberts are yelling at each other.
Roberts is using blue language, the rookie who came in
in the ninth that hit tattoos?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
What what is blue language?
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Huh? What little like in comedy, just you know, foul words.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
I want to know, are you calling Shilty like as
a nickname.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I've never heard Shilty before.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah, Like, what's his name? Mike Shilt?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (46:31):
I thought it was like like you like, oh, that's funny,
previous history with them.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, I guarantee in the club, in the clubhouse, he's Shilty.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Yeah that's what I thought too.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Just listen to the how worked up he is? Do
you have that the mic shilt sound?
Speaker 9 (46:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (46:48):
Yeah, but which one? We've got two different Mike Shilts
and we're playing production. Okay, okay, the bottom one.
Speaker 11 (46:54):
Oh no, Tatis got hit in little the rookie spins
tattoos around.
Speaker 13 (47:00):
Mike Schildt is furious coming out of the dugout.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
Do you think the pitch was intentional to hit Tetist
tonight in that spot.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
I'd like to think not, but I can't say that.
Only a couple of people know that. And whether it
was or it wasn't, enough is enough. You know, we
got a guy that's getting the X rays right now.
It's one of the best players in the game, of course,
on our team. And this guy's getting has taken shots
and before the series, you know we hadn't. And I
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can back this up with complete evidence. You know, track
records speak for themselves. The teams that I managed don't
get into altercation like this because teams I managed don't
throwing people. But also teams I managed don't take anything.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
And after a.
Speaker 7 (47:43):
While, I'm not going to take it, and I'm not
going to take it on behalf of Toddy. I'm not
going to take it on behalf of our team. Intentional
aren't intentional, truly, that's simple. That's how this game's played.
And you want to call that old school, then yeah,
we'll play old school baseball.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I don't mind old school baseball. I think baseball needs this.
It just does. And And look, you know, I've heard
people who have no sense of history, and they talk
about basketball and they let them fight and it's like, okay,
you don't remember Kermit Washington and what happened there. Obviously,
you know, the pushing and the shoving. It's a lot.
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We've seen some brawls, but again just the idea of
a little bit of beanball guys being managers coming out
and going chest to chess like I I gotta tell
you it's it's it's actually really good.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I'll also say this, that's just shilty being shilty.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
That's that's that's all it is. Yeah, that's so shilty
right there.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know it shilty. You
know shilty at Murph and Smitty, Yeah, shilty Murph and Smitty,
those guys are they're all cut from the same.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
When d Rob comes out, it was like, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Back in two ty sixteen when it was last game
Chevin in the NBA Finals. I remember it like it
was yesterday. Lebron James was magnificent. Show too. Is Kyrie
Irvy welcome in?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
You know? I think there's I you know, like I
have friends who are like, hey, find the dub of
the day. You know, you have a bad day, find
the win of the day. I think my win of
the sports calendar, because really, what happens after Sunday, that's
the flipping of the sports calendar, right, NBA Draft is
(01:12):
next Tuesday, Cooper Flag, couple others, but not really a
huge but after that we kind of flipped the sports calendar.
You know. Some people say it's when you get to
Baseball All Star break right then that's why we have
SP's because it used to be the dead day. But
it feels like that's the And my biggest win is
also probably jay Stu's biggest win, right, jay Stu has
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us all kind of an agreement that, you know, the NFL.
I don't know if it's the level of Zuopa the
U two album that was a wall wall, but his
win is getting us more over to the side of,
you know, quality of play in the NFL not great,
(01:56):
and my win is the opposite for basketball, which which
is despite the fact the ratings will be down, it's
been a fun series to watch and it's always interesting
on when now this is the influx of politics and
the political siding and that you can't be in the
middle or you can't agree with the other side on anything,
(02:20):
because you'll have people that I'm not watching, they don't
play hard, the playoffs last too long. There's just isoball,
there's no defense. There's this is that like you pick
apart every little thing, and then you actually watch this
series and both teams play fast. Indiana better at playing
(02:42):
fast last night. You have guys that come off the
bench and some of their stars that play incredibly hard.
The level of skill is tremendous. And yeah, there are
some form born players like Shay Gildess Alexander just to
name one, but there are also some stars like Terres
Halbert who are born in the States. And so if
your argument was like, ah, foreign players like you can
(03:05):
come up with anything you don't like about something, and
usually it's kind of stacked behind the obvious thing, which
is some of the players were politically active or have
been politically active during these very strange political times. But
my win of the year is getting Jay stew to
(03:27):
watch and go, you know, kind of good hoop. Speaking
of which I thought Tyrese Halburton was outstanding. He was aggressive,
he made big shots. Here's what Alberton said about playing
with a bad calf.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's the finals. I, you know, all of us got
to get everything we have. You know, do you have
everything I have for this group in this locker room.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So I'm just trying to come.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Out here by the best of my ability.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
My guys have had my back all year and especially tonight,
and that means.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The world to me. It's okay, it's okay. I got
a couple, got a couple of days now to take
care of it, get it right, and be ready.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
You know, we got one game, you know, all cards
on the table.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He also did you hear the line? And I thought
it was almost speaking directly to either my daughter Harper
or to Jay Stuh that when he's at home, it's
before he throws on love love actually I'm not not love. Actually,
before he throws on Love Island, he's got to throw
some ice on the caf. Did you hear that one?
Jay Stu? On television?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
I saw a reference to Love Island. Yeah, so that's
that's what he was talking about. What he watches it
all the time, and he was he was nursing his
calf while he watched it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes, or you know, I'm in him and his girlfriend
are you know they watched It's it's a like guilty
pleasure watch. So that what that what it is?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah, that one's off my radar. I've been it's actually
actually been recommended to me that I watch it. But
I'm just I'm so dedicated to Bachelor and Bachelor in
Paradise first week of July starts up. For those wondering, ooh.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Ooh, that is an absolute poop show usually, right, I mean, really, it.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Might be the best of the franchise. You know, it's amazing, Yeah,
because it is.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is an abject disaster, but it's it doesn't it's not.
It's one of those no one even by Bachelor standards.
Everyone knows it's it's going to be a disaster, right, everyone, everyone, Everyone,
everyone knows. And because of it, you know, because of it,
(05:30):
you can't take it seriously. You don't have to take
it seriously. It's a very light watch. I would say
Love Island a similar type of watch for you. I
think different producers. Obviously, you have to find the different people.
Whereas the thing that you find with The Bachelor in
Paradise is you know these people from your years following
and podcasting about The Bachelor. And let's not get sidetracked.
(05:51):
The point is okay that I mean, I don't know
how you can't love Halliburton, right, And I almost like
him more because he was so bad in Game five
and he's been so good at other times, the game
winner in game game one, the performance last night, a
couple of fast breaks, off steals and passes that he
(06:12):
made were outstanding. It's almost like if you hated the
invincibility of Lebron and some of these other guys, right
because Lebron at the end of the day. I mean,
you go back to some of the NBA finals, you know,
subsequent years where you know they lost to Kevin Durant
and the Golden State Warriors, like Lebron would put up
(06:33):
gargantuan numbers, and so even though I don't think Lebron
played great in the fourth quarter of those games, it
was really hard to argue with those numbers. So it
seemed like, you know, he's just he's that immovable object
and irresistible force. Anyway, point being, Halliburton seems very human,
which is again all new to us that we don't
(06:54):
usually have this, Like Levery Bird didn't have games where
he couldn't make a bucket in the NBA finals. Not
that I'm comparing, I kind of did compare Tyres Albert
and to Larry Bird. Here's his head coach on Actually,
let's go to Mark dagnall mcdark knows, the head coach
of the Oklahoma City Thunder, his team who usually turns
others over turn the ball over a ton last night,
(07:16):
here's the coach on his team.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
It was hard tonight. You know, Indiana was great and
we were not. So we have the same opportunity Indiana
does on Sunday. Scorell by zero zero when the ball
goes up in the air. It's a privilege to play
in Game sevens. It's a privilege to play in the finals.
As disappointing as tonight was, we're grateful for the opportunity.
And we put in a lot of work this season
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to be able to play that game at home, you know,
which is exciting to be able to do it in
front of our fans. So, you know, obviously disappointed tonight,
but we'll regroup, get back to zero, learn from it
with clear eyes like we always do, get ourselves as
ready as we can be to play Game seven on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Stut Gottlieb show Fox Sports Trader. That's Mark Dagnoll's the
head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. Here's the star
Shay Gilders Alexander, the MVP of this year's NBA season,
talking about how Game seven against the Nuggets Humble Bragg
was there, uh and that blowout went over the Nuggets
prepares them for Game seven Sunday night.
Speaker 6 (08:13):
Fee in the back of our minds for sure. Now,
we didn't play like it at all, and that's why
the night went the way it did. We got exactly
what we deserved, what we earned, and we have to
own that. The way, like the way we felt in
that series was it's a three to three series zero zero.
You have one game to advance and the better team
(08:34):
will win. And I think it's the exact same thing
because you try to learn from and you try to
put it all together for one night and see where
it takes you.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Stut Gottlieb Show, Fox Portray. That's Shake Gildas Alexander. Yeah,
I don't. Here's my honest thought, buyer, this is This
is as honest as I can be. You ever have
somebody Dan who says I'm a huge sports fan. Oh
you're Fox Sports Trade listen all the time? What do
(09:02):
you do there? Like, I've been there for how many years?
You've been a Fox Sports radio dad? Yeah, I'll get you.
I remember when I was working at CBS doing the tournament. Oh,
huge college basketball fan? It's what do you do? Right? Yes,
you'll have if if you tell people I'm a big
(09:24):
sports fan. Hey, are you watching Game seven? Nah. Now
a huge sports fan, right, I mean, isn't that? Are
we okay? I yes, I'm okay shaming people who claim
to be sports fans. And you have two teams they
don't carry the If you don't like the ego of
the Lebron, the ego of the KD, the iso of
(09:49):
old school basketball, you're like, you know, I like, I
like tame ball better. I just they don't play d like.
If you don't like all this, like, just watch the series.
But regardless of which, it's one game and decides who's
a champion. The crowds have been incredible in the crowd
of Oklahoma City. You know, it's loud city, It's it's
(10:10):
a remarkable watch. You don't have to know anything about anything.
It's Game seven NBA Finals on a Sunday night. What
are you doing? Right? You come in off the lake
you're watching? I just are you okay with me? I
don't care if you I mean, I don't I'm not
going to change my opinion. But would you share with
me in the opinion that it's a completely phony to
say huge sports fan? You don't watch Game seven? Nah?
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Well?
Speaker 8 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely? And I do think that there is
there is a parallel with people who don't want to
do something. They don't want to go to an event,
and they'll have four or five different excuses on why
they don't want to go to the event and why
they can't make it, and the reason is usually just
one reason. And I feel that's the same way with
(10:54):
the NBA. Where my problem and because I've complained about
the NBA as well, Doug here if the reg season.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Is that so much is.
Speaker 8 (11:04):
Made about the playoffs in championships, So that's what to
me diminishes the regular season. And I feel I'd be
a you know, a hypocrite if I wasn't invested into
the playoffs some and invested into the NBA Finals and
obviously invested into Game seven. Now, I mean I have
a dog in the fight on Sunday. However, I feel
(11:24):
like if you just weren't gonna watch, you weren't gonna
watch anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But and then you're just broadcasting and brag. But okay,
so people who don't, they'll always people. You know, I
like the NCAA tournament better won and done, well, that's
what you have. You literally have that it's one game
you don't have to invest in the rest of it, right,
just one game, one game. I just think it exposes
people as as phonies. I just I hate the Like
(11:48):
a huge sports fan, I'm about beg sports fan. What
do you do?
Speaker 9 (11:54):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Uh? And again, this series has given you a little
bit of everything. Right, you had the unbelievable comeback and
win in game one, the uh snooze fest in game two,
you had the really surprising also comeback and win for Indiana.
In game three to come back and win for Oklahoma City,
(12:18):
and game four, the once again dominance at home and
you know, and Tyre's Halberton looked like dude cut off
the leg, shut him down in Game five, and then
the Pacers know, you know, it's the old eighty six Bears.
Weren't beating them the you know, the showtime Lakers weren't beaten,
weren't beating the Pacers last night. They just weren't. They
(12:40):
looked amazing, the defense, the transition, the athleticism, the three
point shooting. It was, it was. It was really fun.
It's giving you a little bit of everything. And again,
I'm not a Pacer fan. I love the Thunder just
because my time in Oklahoma, and I do know people
in both organizations. But that's not it's about it's this
is just about we talked about earlier this earlier this week,
(13:03):
and we talked about him something last week, and now
you're talking you don't use a cliche, but there is
a reason that that statements become cliche. They are overused.
But oftentimes they're overused because there's a ton of truth
to them, and the ton of truth to the NBA
Finals in Game seven on a Sunday. And we're not
a rights holder, okay, And I'm gonna be completely honest
(13:27):
with you. We never talked about the Indiana Pacers on
this show. For I don't think outside of the Malice
at the Palace, I don't think I've ever had a
segment talking about the Indiana Pacers ever. I've been doing
this a long time. And it's not out of hatred
or I don't like you, like nothing, It's just what
(13:47):
was the point I do national Radio. We talked about
the biggest topics today. They were outside of the mouse
of the Palace. That was the last time they were
the topic of the day. And yet I'm just gonna
tell you the cliche is true. It's kind of what
it's all about what it's all about. It's what all
of the pushback to Lebron's statements of you know, he's
(14:09):
not all about the rings, like, well, what do you
play for? This is what you play for, This is
what you dream of, this is what any kid who's
ever dribbled a basketball and Dan I remember a couple
of years ago went to Mylin High School, which is
really famed Hickory, and uh.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It was the yeah, who's your gym? Nightstown, Indiana?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Right, Okay, but it's the anyone who's ever picked up
a basketball and shot in their driveway or shot in
an empty gym has done either NCAA tournament, high school championship,
NBA Finals game in line game seven, ball goes in,
you're the greatest, ball goes ball goes around and out
and you're a complete dope. So yeah, I mean my
(14:56):
win for the year is getting Jay Studigo. You know,
I don't want to say this out loud, but NBA
playoffs without Lebron and Steph and Katie it has been
kind of good to watch, right, just like me coming
around to his You know, the NFL can be a
(15:17):
bit of a rough watch. Now, Look, it's never going
to affect the NFL's ratings because people bet on it,
they're so invested in it, and I'm not chasing ratings.
I don't care if the NBA rates, I really don't.
Doesn't affect me or our business or anything. All I'm
telling you is, don't come at me with a huge
sports fan. Got love your takes, but you know I'm
a big sports bob. I'm not watching game seven. Why
don't say you're a big sports fan when you have
(15:38):
something a sport that is absolutely one of the three
biggest in the United States, easily one of the two biggest.
One game, likable teams, likable Watch, Competitive Series one team,
by all accounts, didn't everybody ESPN pick them to win?
Like everybody picked them most of them in six? It
goes game seven, and it does feel like anybody's ball game.
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five to shoot, can't clear the shot up top, Siakam
beats the shot clock and delivers a.
Speaker 10 (16:27):
Freeman shot ready for ficial just waiting to receive that pass.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Just beautiful execution lectric.
Speaker 9 (16:34):
Go well.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You can hardly ask for a better performance, particularly given
the fact that if you didn't play well, your season
would have ended.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
MJB.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
This team this in case you didn't though, NBA Finals
Game seven, and they still have an opportunity to win
a championship.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
How cool is that?
Speaker 11 (16:55):
This is the best of the Done Dot Lead Show
on Fox Sports Radio, Stuck.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So I was
watching the post game coverage on NBA TV last night
and TJ mcconnald's up there, and I've heard TJ mcconnald
say playing hard as a skill, and it's it's you know,
you got a lot of buddies out there, and they'll
text you be like, yoah, that was you, your TJ McConnell,
(17:23):
like I was in TJ McConnell, like I there were
things I did better than TJ McConnell. But I didn't.
I don't. I'm not. I was not as tough as
and played as hard as that guy plays. Right, And yeah,
it is a skill. It's something that everybody thinks that
there are I'm gonna guess one hundred thousand guys who
(17:47):
played minor league basketball, who played overseas. They watch and
they look at TJ McConnell, and I like, I'll tell you, honestly,
I did it when he first got into the league,
and you're like, TJ mcconald's in the league. Come on,
I'm better than tea Jim McConnell. Then you watch him play,
You're like, I didn't play as hard as teacher mccadall plays. Uh.
Then his dad pops up when he's at the NBA
(18:11):
TV desk and does.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
This, Pops, I got one question for you. Why Why
were you harder on him and softer on your daughter?
Speaker 11 (18:24):
He says that it's true. It's true.
Speaker 10 (18:29):
Undefeated state championship. He lost in the state championship. We
lost two games, so undefeated, he didn't play as well.
In the state championship, he played great, but we didn't
win it.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Now she's with the Mercury, so I can't.
Speaker 10 (18:48):
Be more pride to say I have a son in
the NBA and I have a daughter in the w
n b A. This is a dream come true, and
I'm going to okac for my son to play in
the Championshi.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Game is it's an unbelievable story. Is his daughter just
made the WNBA Stut Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
Mark Stein joins this, You know, Mark, I I just
told I just said it straight up, like, don't tell
me you're a sports fan, you're not going to watch
game seven. This has been a good entertaining series and
(19:21):
it's one game to decide who wins the championship. But
your honest reaction if I told you at any point
in time before the playoffs, and maybe sometime in the playoffs,
that the finals would go to seven games and that
it would be decided between the Pacers and Oklahoma City,
what would you have said, in say November.
Speaker 9 (19:43):
Well, the Oklahoma City part that was feasible and certainly
the way the regular season played out. But look, I've
been racking my brain. I think you know me pretty
well by now. You know I love my NBA history.
They still have to win one more game. And it's
going to be a very hard game to win. And
we saw in the Denver series that everybody thought Okac
was in trouble and they won Game seven in a runaway.
(20:06):
So it is a tall order to go on the
road and win a game seven. But if the Pacers
can win that Game seven, I have never seen a
better story as an NBA champion. I mean, I think
they are the ultimate Cinderellas in terms of winning it all. Now,
the very first year that I really really really dialed
(20:28):
into the NBA, the very first year nineteen seventy seven
seventy eight, that is a very special season in my
basketball nerd life, and the Washington Bullets won it all
as a forty four and thirty eighteen, so by record
you would say, okay, that was a longer shot. And
then the Houston Rockets won it all in ninety five
(20:50):
as a six seed, but they were the defending champions.
And that seventy seven to seventy eight season was a
weird one because the Blazers were defending champions, started fifty
and ten and Walton got hurt, So that was a
weird year and the NBA was much much different back then.
In the modern NBA what the Pacers are doing again,
They've still got they've got to finish it, and they've
(21:12):
got to win one more and it might be the
toughest game of the old season. But it has been
an absolute it's just surprise after surprise after surprise after surprise.
It has been a tremendous story.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (21:30):
Okay, I was gonna ask you, I was gonna ask you,
is there is there any other team in your lifetime
that you feel like, is ay more would be a
more surprising champion than these guys.
Speaker 12 (21:42):
No, No, I really don't and and and I don't
think you could compare any other sport anyway, uh, just
because baseball maybe somebody again, Baseball could be so random,
you know.
Speaker 9 (21:56):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
But in the NBA, keeping.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
Up taping this the NBA, because it's like y bring
a difficult curely curely with your from with NBA goggles on,
it is it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Well again, and I'll credit you, Jaysetu because you mentioned
the Raptors. The Raptors had been closed before, added Kawhi Leonard,
and I think they had had the best record in
the easton years before Raptors.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
The Raptors acquired the fin a previous finals MVP. They
also made a mid season trade for Mark Gasol, one
of the best defensive centers of his generation. And look,
I'm not saying Toronto's title wasn't surprising, but again, they
traded for Kawhi Leonard with one year on his contract
(22:46):
for one reason and one reason only to finally do
it in the playoffs after falling short countless times. And
obviously Golden State's injuries were a factor in that serie
that finals as well. But I think the Pacers are
it's a more the Pacers two best players haliburn Is Satam,
(23:11):
these are not They did not have Kawhi Leonard's resume.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
No, no, not, not not even close. But again, there's
there is something. There's there's something to this. And you know, look,
I think the pace of play has been awesome. That
the the market size I think adds to it. Right
with Oklahoma City in Indianapolis, all of it has been great.
(23:37):
If if Oklahoma City wins it, I undoubtedly we'll get
the beginning of a new dynasty. When we don't know that.
That's just it's just too early. If Indiana wins it,
what will the narrative be.
Speaker 9 (23:53):
Well, Look, I would say if if OKC does win,
I mean, they are one of the few teams equipped
in this new and to have a dynasty because they
have so much optionality with their draft picks that they're
going to be able to move salary out but bring
new players in. Like, they are so well set up
(24:14):
for the future. So in Okase's case, the talk is
unavoidable and it will be justified. Look, coming into this finals,
I dubbed it the Vibes Finals because we had Miles
Turner before this year. He's saying that our team and
their team are fueled by the power of friendship, which, like,
(24:35):
I don't know how sustainable that is, but I can
promise you there are a lot of teams out there
that hope Miles Turner is correct, because friendship is something
you can build without messing up your salary caps. So look,
I don't know how sustainable it is. I don't know
how replicable it is, if that's even a word, but
(24:56):
I mean this, you know it would be it would
also you know, it gives hope to the whole league
because the Pacers have done it, like you said, with pace,
but also with depth. They have gone for Halliburt and
Siakam are two very good players. I mean, don't get
me wrong, these are two of the fifteen or twenty
(25:18):
best players in the league. But they it's the depth
that they put around them too, Like they are not
trying to do it as a super team whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Stug Gottlieb show Fox Sport Trader. That's the voice of
Mark Stein. Mark. How long after Game seven is the
first trade made?
Speaker 9 (25:44):
Well, look, I mean the first trades already happened to me.
I mean that so look, we all have our eyes
on Durant. We're all waiting to see how that's going
to play out. But I mean Memphis and Orlando did
a deal on June fifteen. I mean, that's crazy early
ten days before the draft, right in the middle of
the finals. You know, it does kind of show you
(26:06):
what it underlines and illustrates what a lot of people
are expecting. That's the kind of action they're expecting. And
it's gonna have to all be trades because nobody has
cap space. And to be honest, the free agent class
isn't exactly teaming with superstar difference makers because very rarely
in the modern NBA do players wait for free agency.
(26:27):
Everybody does an extension so they don't have to deal
with free agency. So we're gonna see trades, and you
are going to see trades on Draft night for sure,
because picks are going to be moving around. It's gonna
be you know, it will all it will probably all
be over by July fourth, but it will be fireworks
until July fourth. I'm pretty pretty.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Sure what happens. What happens with the Lakers and new ownership, Well, look, in.
Speaker 9 (26:55):
The short term, in the short term, they have to
deal with a salary cap situation that they have, which
is they just don't have a great amount of flexibility.
But for the long term, I think you're going to
see there, you know, the way they've run the Dodgers.
I mean, obviously in baseball it's different because there are
no limits on free agency and they can sign Otani
(27:17):
and then just keep signing great players. You obviously cannot
do that in the NBA, but they can. They can
beef up infrastructure, they can, you know, by all accounts,
I don't see how this isn't a tremendous thing for
the Lakers. Now we'll have to see how long Jeanie
Buss actually remains as the operating owner of the team.
(27:42):
But the Dodgers and the Lakers already had a strong
working relationship as it is Magic Johnson, Lon Rosen. These
are two of the most integral figures with the Dodgers,
and they are you know, lifelong, lifelong Laker people really,
So I think a lot of teams in the NBA
(28:04):
are nervous about it because again, you can't outspend. It's
not even in the NBA. It's not even just the
salary cap. It's when you go into the second apron
and just all the team building tools you lose. So
Steve Balmer has already run into the Steve Balmer would
spend anything he could to make the Clippers better. But
(28:26):
if you go in the second apron, you can't aggregate
salaries and trades or draft picks kept frozen. You just
run into all these issues building your team. So being
insanely rich it doesn't necessarily give you an advantage in
that space. But there are a lot there are lots
of other ways to boost your organization and make things happen.
And it's it's a very It was a very eye
(28:49):
catching development, no question.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean my question is do they build their
own arena?
Speaker 9 (28:56):
You know, which they certainly can because they'll have the
fire answers to do it. But when you realize that
it's a purchase price of ten billion and the Lakers
don't have their own arena, it just tells you the
value of the Laker brand. I mean, Sportico valued the
Lakers at eight billion in December, they traded for Luka
(29:16):
Doncic in February, and now they're being sold for at
least ten million, a figure that some people within the
industry think can actually rise. And the Lakers don't own their.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Buildings, which is actually And one of the points I'd
make is normally your president, your GM and especially as
obviously Magic Johnson feels like he's going to try and
get back in there, and he and Polinka, I mean
that didn't work, but Polinka traded for Luca. I don't
see Polinka going anywhere.
Speaker 9 (29:46):
I don't know that Magic. I don't know what Magic
really wants. I mean, your Magic could have stayed with
the Lakers. You know, he's the one who left, and
you know he's he's doing things with the Dodgers. He
obviously has a zillion business interest. I mean, Magic and
Genie Buss have been close for decades. If Magic wants
to register an opinion about the Lakers, that's never been
(30:09):
an issue for him. So I don't know that it's
going to change as dramatically as people think. But you know,
you look at the way they've run the Dodgers, and
how could you if you if the Lakers are your
favorite basketball team, how could you not want the same thing?
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Nick job has been open for a couple of weeks. Uh,
they've been pushed away by several coaches who have jobs
and their organizations have you know, re upped Email Udoka,
Jason Kidd, et cetera. What happens with the nixt job?
Speaker 9 (30:41):
Well, they can afford to move flow because they have
the only opening in the league but the realcity. And look,
there are very good coaches available, and Taylor Jenkins and
Mike Brown both interviewed this week. But it you know,
are the Knicks waiting because they're trying? You know, they
hope that someone on their initial list can somehow become available.
(31:03):
And you just said it. Billy Donovan, I reported last
weekend he's in the process of getting an extension with
the Bulls, em Udoka and the Rockets already announced an extension.
So like, the Knicks can go as fast or slow
here as they wish. But again, it is going to
if they hire the available coaches Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins,
(31:25):
Michael Malone, Mike Budenolzer, Frank Vogel, Like, they're going to
have to do a press conference eventually where they have
to explain to the public, you know, what number choice
is it that they've hired. I mean, they they went
for five fitting coaches and couldn't speak to any of them.
So it's going to be it's going to be a
(31:47):
very interesting cell to see how the Knicks approached that,
because again the shock that Tom Thibodeau was not as
significant as you would have thought. The shock really stemmed
from the fact that so many teams, so many rival teams,
looked at this and said, surely the Knicks know the
direction they're going if they're firing the coach who's the
(32:08):
most successful coach they'd had in the twenty first century.
And as they've shown us, they clearly they did not
know who they could get after firing Tom Tibodeau, and
that is where the shock factor lies.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
He is Mark Stein. He publishes a substack and you
need to download it, you need to read it. It's
the Stein Line, longtime NBA reporter and insider. Stein thanks
so much for joining us. Enjoy Game seven. We'll talk
next week.
Speaker 9 (32:34):
Don't be so hard on yourself. You were not TJ McConnell,
but you could pass a little, So don't gey ooe
the on yourself.
Speaker 11 (32:41):
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Speaker 1 (32:51):
One of what you Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio
coming to you from two parts to Wisconsin and Los Angeles. Yeah,
that's what we do by coastal. We'll bring up the
Los Angeles because it brings up our topic here the
start of the second hour. Reminder you can download the
podcast the end of this hour. You'll never guess who
(33:12):
stole the show at last night's Pacer game. At least
in the post game. Mark Stein will join us twenty
five after the hour. We'll ask the Steinline about Game seven,
and of course about the stuff that I'm kind of
remarkably more people seem to care about, which is the
non basketball of the NBA. With trade and movement season
(33:34):
just days away from taking place, got the press, got
other things for you, got all the updates from the
Travelers Championship VR guy Dan Byer. So let's set it up.
Last night was Dodgers Padres. It's baseball. And you're like, whoa, whoa.
You know, Game six of the NBA Finals was last night, Gottley,
(33:56):
But I get it, Okay, but dogs and you had
the h you had the benches clear. You know, you
had more than a kerfuffle. Now that's a bit of
a bean ball war that had begun previous days, right,
and remember you go back to last year when the
Padres had the Dodgers that was in two games to one,
(34:19):
Jase two and seemed to have him dead to rights.
And if you remember at the time the the Padres were,
they were running their mouths. And again it's it's actually
how they do what they do. They have some guys
that that's how they play. It's how they play. It's
a loud group. And then yeah, Dave Roberts came up
(34:43):
with some story of a ball being thrown in his
direction and the pond for the review it was not.
But whatever it took, the Dodgers rallied, won the series,
went on to win the World Series. So not. You
don't just have two teams to spend a lot. Obviously
Dodgers spend more. You have some bitterness, you know between
the clubs over former Dodgers playing for the Padres. You
(35:07):
have San Diego people, you know, let's just be honest.
They like Philadelphia, their little brother to Los Angeles. They
got some really cool things. Who doesn't love San Diego.
But there's definitely an insecurity there. And then you have
the idea that two years ago Padres knocked the Dodgers
out of the playoffs. Last year they were knocking on
the door of it talking a bunch of ish, as
(35:27):
the kids say, only to succumb to the Dodgers and
then ultimately Dodgers win the World Series. Did I sum
it up well off there? Uh Jase Doo.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, I think that's a good setup. I like to
just say that the Dodgers play the right way and
the Podres do not. So this last night was the
fourth game of a four game series. Each game had
a significant amount of tension last night was pretty darn quiet.
In fact, the Dodgers did. I think what they've done
(35:59):
a couple of times this year. It's an odd trait,
but they do it. They basically punted the game. It
was five to nothing in the ninth and Dave Roberts
put a rookie in just to kind of finish out
the game. A pitch gets away from the rookie and
his tattoos, so it looked bad, but I really do
think it got away from him. So of course the Padres.
(36:19):
They can't let sleeping dogs lie. They had to hit
Shoho Tani in the bottom of the ninth thankfully show Hey,
and I want to say it's a cultural thing. He
just kind of wanted to de escalate. He's like, there's
no need to empty the benches again. But before that,
there was a significant brewha haa where Mike Shilty and
(36:44):
Dave Roberts got into it on the field. You rarely
see managers basically go up cap to cap and start
yelling at each other. It was pretty exciting.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, it was. The Padres feel like they've replaced the Giants.
Is that fair as the rival if you will of
the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, they really want to use the word rival. I
think even Daniel Jeremiah are our resident Padre fan, he
acknowledges it as the most exciting matchup in baseball right now.
That's a great way to say right now, in this moment.
But the Giants and Dodgers Quebec one hundred and forty.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Years, Yeah, what's kind of the only exciting right because Cubs,
Cardinals not the same, Red Sox, Yankees not the same.
Speaker 13 (37:33):
Doug if I may, I feel like not being a
Dodgers fan around here and not being any connection to
the Padres either, but being from the Midwest, I feel
like there's a good analogy I've taken from college baseball
and what I mean football. Excuse me of what's gone
on with the pot with this Giants Dodgers Padres and that. Okay,
(37:53):
the Dodgers are Michigan, the Giants obviously are Ohio State,
but Padres are Michigan State. They're the little brother, and
big brother never wants to admit little brother is a
rival until you really start to get punched in the
face and start getting really kind of upset about it.
And it feels like that's where we're at right now,
and that the Padres, like Dodgers, are having to reckon
the fact that hey, the Padres, your little brother, are
(38:15):
good enough to hang with you, and you you're kind
of begrudgingly trying to find ways not to call them
your rival because you have this other rival over here
that you have so much more history with.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padres.
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padress.
Speaker 13 (38:36):
No, no, no, I'm just saying it's one it's one way.
It's the Padres absolutely think the Dodgers are their rival.
It's just the Dodgers fans would like to think it's
the Giants are their rival and not reciprocate it to
the Padres.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
No, the Giants have been the rival. Yeah, right, they
go back to New York together. That's that's the point
that that Jason was making. And the Giants have won.
Whether they win three World Series in six years or whatever,
I don't know, buy it. What about you? You give
me your thoughts? Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
The example that I would use is, actually, Doug in
your backyard, Packers Bears is the historic rivalry, but the
Packers Vikings is one of itself, and I always just
point to the packer meme. The packer joke is an
empty bookshelf or an empty trophy case. And then then
(39:24):
it's saying this is the Minnesota Vikings trophy case where
they like poke fun, but there is there is this
I don't know if hatred is the right word, but
it sure gets to that way.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
I almost I don't.
Speaker 8 (39:41):
I don't want to say that the Bears and Packers
respect each other, but there is the tradition that Jason
Stewart talks about that is evident in the Packers and Bears,
Whereas when the Vikings came along, they were kind of
thought of as the new kid on the block as
a in that division and with those teams no offense
(40:02):
to the Lions, but they just hadn't been a part
of the conversation until recently, where I feel like the
Padres play the role of the Vikings where they really
haven't won anything yet. They're trying to be the rival
of the Dodgers, and sure Minnesota may get the best
of green Bay here or there, they don't have any
Super Bowl trophies to show for it, where green Bay does,
and Chicago's got their history, and they do have a
(40:25):
Super Bowl. But that's how I kind of feel about
the rivalry, to compare it to another sports rivalry.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Here's another kind of point to add to your point,
you know, to add to your point, dan Is, I
think the Vikings thing has always been, Yeah, they haven't
won anything whatever. Adding farv changed its some, right, I'm
sure is that fair?
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And then adding many changed it some for the Padres
and the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Yeah, different levels, but because many you know wasn't.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, made Machada was on a Dodger for like like
a minute, right as opposed to Farvos forever. But part
of it was, you know, Manny's a guy who you know,
when he first got there, really liked to talk to.
Speaker 8 (41:10):
There's what There's also the just the geography of it, yes,
which you know plays such a role. And it's interesting
because where you are right now, there is nothing more
annoying to someone from Wisconsin than a car with an
Illinois license plate on it in the summertime. Like, it's true,
and I think that you would look at the Twin
Cities and even though Minnesota is Minneapolis right on the
(41:33):
border basically between Wisconsin and Minnesota, like the Packer fans
are so prevalent. It's not like there's Minnesota fans in
western Wisconsin. It's all Green Bay. And it actually maybe
the other way around that. There are you know, Packer
fans in the Twin Cities area, and so there's a
there's a weird blend there of fans and kids who
(41:54):
go to high school in Minnesota they go to Wisconsin,
you know, possibly I you know, bunch of friends of
mine are from the state of Minnesota, so you have
that crossover Chicago.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Same thing.
Speaker 8 (42:04):
Geography just plays such a huge role of it, of
the blend of the cities and whatnot. Yet there is
a separation specifically with the Giants and Dodgers because it's
northern California southern Calilifornia, and there's that straight line, you know,
Gurnie Mills is the state line with the Wisconsin and Illinois.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
So there's something to that as well.
Speaker 13 (42:24):
And I think because the trophy case is empty, it
means these small victories you get over the Dodgers mean
a lot more again to the Michigan State Michigan thing too,
like I know a bunch of Michigan State fans they
still hold onto the trouble with a snap game where
Michigan loses that game by bobbling the punt and it
gets straight and it gets stripped out, taken into the
(42:45):
end zone, no time left for the touchdown. But like
that's held on to by the little brother.
Speaker 8 (42:49):
How many Michigan State Michigan games now off there have
been fights afterwards, And I go back to even of
what we see last night with the Padres to Jason's
point where a lot of this is San Diego instigated.
It feels like like the Packers aren't annocent in the
Bears rivalry from the nineteen eighties when Green Bay wasn't
anything and the Bears were dominant and you had Charles
(43:10):
Martin throwing Jim McMahon to the ground, you got players
shoving players into opposing benches. Like there is a bit
of that as well with it when you're, you know,
talking about a rivalry, but sometimes it's the team that
doesn't want anything, that seems to stoop to a lower
level that then makes it a rivalry or something that
(43:30):
has to be dealt with.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
What I like, what I like about the Michigan State analogy,
and I'm not from there, so this is kind of
an outside looking in perspective. Michigan State seems to play
the role of the Padres in this and that it's
only quote a rivalry when the Padres have a good team.
You know, Michigan is the juggernaut there, and when Michigan
State has a good team, then I think they consider
(43:54):
themselves that rival.
Speaker 13 (43:55):
Yeah, it's just ten years ago with Nardoozi as the coach, right,
they were like of equal standing.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
For one. It just doesn't happen all the time. Dodgers
and Giants are the Ohio State Michigan. They're always going
to be kind of the halves and the teams that
are the biggest rival. But yeah, when Michigan State's really good,
I guess that's when the rivalry kind of kicks in.
That's the same way the Potterys are good now and
they're ride and high, and we all know it'll go
(44:19):
away sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know what, what I find to be the best
part of it is, did you guys see show Hey
when he got hit first? You know, he got hit
in the leg, And look when they when they ding
Show Hey, that's where you hit a guy, right, It
still hurts in the thigh but that's what you're supposed
to do. But you know, one he pointed the dugout
I'm good, and then two he's literally laughing. He's laughing
(44:46):
at them. You know, I think that's that's that's perfect
big brother material right there.
Speaker 8 (44:54):
Can I tell you what popped into my head, which
I go so I totally get when you're from I'm
a foreign country and you're speaking with the media, you
want to make sure that your words are exact. Hideki
Matsuyama doesn't on the PGA tour uses an interpreter to
speak with the media, but shohe was talking to Luisa
Rayes and was talking to Is the cronin Worth. They
(45:17):
were having a conversation, and so then you're like, Okay, well,
then why is show he having an interpreter always with
the team right places? Bet I didn't want to say it.
I didn't want to say it. I get the media
aspect of it. You don't want to say something that
you know could be wrong because maybe you don't speak as.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Fluent in that language.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
But I just thought it was interesting that he was
having full blown conversations with whoever was at first for
the Padres at that time.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
Last night.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, yeah, it could have been like Serrano though in
Major League. You bring that to me, man, you bring
that to me.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Could we place Silty last night, because uh, he's got
himself a red ass and there was just a great
exchange last night. Shilty and Roberts are yelling at each other.
Roberts is using blue language, the rookie who came in
in the ninth that hit tattoos?
Speaker 1 (46:16):
What what is blue language?
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Huh? What little like in comedy, just you know, foul words.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
I want to know, are you calling Shilty like as
a nickname.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I've never heard Shilty before.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah, Like, what's his name? Mike Shilt?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (46:31):
I thought it was like like you like, oh, that's funny,
previous history with them.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, I guarantee in the club, in the clubhouse, he's Shilty.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Yeah that's what I thought too.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Just listen to the how worked up he is? Do
you have that the mic shilt sound?
Speaker 9 (46:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 13 (46:48):
Yeah, but which one? We've got two different Mike Shilts
and we're playing production. Okay, okay, the bottom one.
Speaker 11 (46:54):
Oh no, Tatis got hit in little the rookie spins
tattoos around.
Speaker 13 (47:00):
Mike Schildt is furious coming out of the dugout.
Speaker 9 (47:03):
Do you think the pitch was intentional to hit Tetist
tonight in that spot.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
I'd like to think not, but I can't say that.
Only a couple of people know that. And whether it
was or it wasn't, enough is enough. You know, we
got a guy that's getting the X rays right now.
It's one of the best players in the game, of course,
on our team. And this guy's getting has taken shots
and before the series, you know we hadn't. And I
(47:30):
can back this up with complete evidence. You know, track
records speak for themselves. The teams that I managed don't
get into altercation like this because teams I managed don't
throwing people. But also teams I managed don't take anything.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
And after a.
Speaker 7 (47:43):
While, I'm not going to take it, and I'm not
going to take it on behalf of Toddy. I'm not
going to take it on behalf of our team. Intentional
aren't intentional, truly, that's simple. That's how this game's played.
And you want to call that old school, then yeah,
we'll play old school baseball.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
I don't mind old school baseball. I think baseball needs this.
It just does. And And look, you know, I've heard
people who have no sense of history, and they talk
about basketball and they let them fight and it's like, okay,
you don't remember Kermit Washington and what happened there. Obviously,
you know, the pushing and the shoving. It's a lot.
(48:16):
We've seen some brawls, but again just the idea of
a little bit of beanball guys being managers coming out
and going chest to chess like I I gotta tell
you it's it's it's actually really good.
Speaker 4 (48:29):
I'll also say this, that's just shilty being shilty.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (48:32):
That's that's that's all it is. Yeah, that's so shilty
right there.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know it shilty. You
know shilty at Murph and Smitty, Yeah, shilty Murph and Smitty,
those guys are they're all cut from the same.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
When d Rob comes out, it was like, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
The Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Uh oh, that
was fun.
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