June 27, 2025 • 50 mins
On this Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to comments made by New York talk show host Peter Rosenberg that Cooper Flagg will have a Caitlin Clark-like impact on the NBA.
Doug and the crew talk about the biggest surprise in MLB this season: Cal Raleigh.
Doug weighs in on the question of whether or not Aaron Rodgers was better in his prime than Patrick Mahomes is. Doug welcomes former NFL executive and former Bucs GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about Rodgers, the Eagles and the other major headlines around the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Hope you're ready for a great summer weekend. NBA season
is in the books, and so is the NBA Draft. Yeah.
I mean, I find it hard to find a heart
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of fake interest in things. And it's not because you know,
there's a young man I got a chance to work
with as a consultant two years ago. Javon Small drafted yesterday.
He was at West Virginia. Year before that he was
at Oklahoma State from South Bend, Indiana. Just just a
stud of a young man. So really happy for him.
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But you know, what did we really gain from less
having a second day of an NBA draft? I don't know.
I don't know, but we do have lots to talk
about and some interesting topics. So Cooper Flag as we
told you he is. Look, he's kind of the great
White Hope, a American born white player that is the
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number one pick in the NBA draft, and like we
can dance around it. But generally American born players that
have been highly regarded, highly successful in the NBA have
all been either a black or mixed race. I mean,
that's just the reality of it. The guys with the
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whiter skin, the whiter guys have been foreign born players
who have played well and dominated. American born white players
have not. So it adds to the intrigue. I'm not
going to sit here and deny that. It adds to
the intrigue of the I just wonder Larry Bird said
black man's game. But I always find it interesting on
how people try and combined the women's game in the
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men's game and ESPN, well they do it. They do
their thing. And there's a radio host, by the way,
is very successful as an FMDJ, and he's done radio
on the sports side as well. He's done both. And
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his names but Peter Rosenberg, and he was on First
Take today and here's what he said about Cooper Flag
in comparison to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
We're all adults. We can have a real life conversation.
Last time I checked, we still live in America, right.
Cooper Flag is a white guy, maybe the best white
American prospects since Larry Bird. Right, Let's not act as
if we don't live in America. We're not seeing what's
happening with Caitlin Clark in the WNBA. Cooper Flag is
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going to be an instant impact player in the NBA.
I think Danny will agree, he is ready to go.
That kid could play right now if he's nearly as
good as people expect. I think when it comes to intrigue,
actual intrigue that people are talking about day to day,
no one's going to be more intriguing get more eyeballs
than what Cooper Flag's doing in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, so there's a lot to ingest there. The idea
that he's going to be an instant impact player, again,
what does that exactly mean? I think he's going to
be good. I also think he's eighteen years old, and
I think you know that's a team where again they'll
look like one thing before Kyrie can back. Kyrie will
take it to well to adjust, but Anthony Davis to
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be the best player on the team, and Cooper Flag
would have a chance to develop on a pretty good
playoff caliber team and we'll see how he's used. But
the discussion I want to have is not about Cooper Flag.
The discussion I want to have is about Caitlin Clark
because what was not so subtly said there by Peter
Rosenberg is I think the walking narrative of many WNBA
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players and some WNBA fans, which is basically, Hey, the
reason that we're paying attention to Kaitlin Clark is because
she's white. I didn't miss here that I didn't misconstrue that.
I think that's what anyone can gain her from it.
The problem with that is that the women's game is
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not the men's game. The women's game is not the
men's game. And whether it's Sue Bird or Elena deladon, uh,
you even move it to the current players in a
Kelsey Plumb or the rookie who they'll compete against the
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night in a Page Beckers. Last time I checked, they're
all white, right, they're all white. So if people are
paying attention to Caitlyn Clark because she's white, why haven't
they paid attention when Elena Deladon was the best player
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in the WNBA. Why why aren't they paying more attention
to Paige Beckers. Why is Kelsey Plum despite the fact
that she scored at one point time the most I
think points of second most points of anybody in college basketball,
why didn't she receive the same fanfare? I'm asking because
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I know what the answer is, right and if you
want to say, well, it was because she was the
thing in college. Like again, Paigebackers was a bigger thing
in high school and played at the absolute biggest women's
college basketball program in the country at Yukon and just
won a national championship. I don't even think it's because
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she's straight. Do I think that she's white and that
she's straight and that she looks like the girl next
door are added things that may attract a small percentage
of people, maybe, But I honestly believe that there's two
parts to it, or maybe three, where she's a force multiplier,
force multiplier, force multiplier in how she plays, but in
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her overall presence and demeanor force multiplier. She makes everybody
around her better. She makes everything sort of bigger, and
she obviously was the rising tide that lifted all those
ships in at Iowa. They didn't win a national championship,
they went back to back final fours, and if you
look historically, it's been a really good program. You know
what hadn't done previously, gone a back to back final fource.
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It's the force multiplier. So that's the first thing. Second
thing is it's style of play. We're so attracted to
how Steph Curry played that. And again, part of the
magic to Steph Curry is he takes the same shots
she's shooting, only he doesn't go through the shooting slums
she's going through. But the Steph Curry logo threes combined
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with the passing, the panache and then the winning, and
you have the second I think kind of tent pole
to uh to it. And then I think location helps her.
I think the fact that she the Midwestern girl from
Iowa played at Iowa, all about the Midwest draft in
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the Midwest where they actually really really care about basketball
and feel like they care about their own I think
all those things work. And it reminds me of a
book called The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell, where it's
basically case studies on what was the tipping point which
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allowed red wing shoes to blow up? What was the
tipping point for anything? And my takeaway from the book
has always been and continues to be that it's never
just one factor, but it's all wrapped up in a
perfectly packaged, perfectly timed and a little bit of luck
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that ends up making things go big, making things go big,
I know, I mean, think about think about Starbucks in
comparison to however many other chains there have been Coffee
being and Tea Leaf used to be bigger. Starbucks race
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past it right and Starbucks went to drive throughs for
a good reason because you can make a ton more
money on those drive throughs. But it did. That was
a massive evolution for Starbucks when Howard Schultz owned star
When he started Starbucks and they started to expand, the
whole idea was it was your third place. First place
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is home, your second place's work. They wanted to be
your third place to where you could hang out and
do work or feel like you're at home and have conversations.
And they didn't want to do drive throughs. But then
they were going to make so much money to drive throughs,
they had to do it, and had to expand probably
over expanded. Remember there's a time which they during the
economic downturn, they closed a lot of stores, but those
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drive throughs allowed them to survive and even thrive during COVID,
whereas your mom and pop coffee shops where everybody got
to sit inside and talk, those were left in the dust.
Point is that it's not just one factor. It's a
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multitude of factors that allow something to be successful. But
for whatever reason, people seemed completely locked in on the
fact that Kaitlyn Clark is white and that's why people
care about Kaitlyn Clark and she is white. There's no denying.
Is there a curiosity towards it? Maybe, But in the
women's game, it's really about fifty to fifty and oh yeah.
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By the way, who we care about and who we
like and who we watch the most doesn't have to
be the best. And I honestly think the NFL is
a great example. I give credit to Jay Stu. He
pointed out to start the year and he's like, look,
it's been trending this way. I think this is the
worst year ever for it. Where the NFL at times
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is not a great product. Now how they package it
is really good. It's a great TV sport. It works
for gambling, it works for fantasy football, whatever, But the
actual gameplay not the greatest, right, even college football not
the greatest. But you don't always watch things because they're
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the best. You don't watch the cleanest, the best sport
because of why you watch it. You know, there's a
discussion over do you watch college you watch pro? And
I thought Jay Billis pointed out really well the other
day on a podcast where he was talking about basketball
and that if you like college basketball, we watch college basketball,
and you don't watch the NBA. You're not watching it
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because the quality of the product. You're watching it for
another reason. You know, a kid, you're intrigued by what's
the future of the sport like, But more than anything,
a tie or an infatuation with a coach or university,
that's it. It's not the best. So Caitlin Clark probably
not the best player in the NBA. She's incredibly impactful
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and we pay attention to her. Is she white? Yeah?
Is she straight? Sure? But there have been other white,
straight players who have been very, very good players in
the WNBA, and they have not seen received diffraction of
the attention of a Caitlin Clark. Now there'll be case
studies done, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think her
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location staying in a school for four years when everybody
else was bouncing to school to school, to school to school.
Hailey Vandlith for example. By the way, Haley Vandlith also white, right,
the dynamic of how she plays, how she carries herself,
being in the Midwest, being a force multiplier, taking Eyewa
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a back to back final fource. Her performance for the
most part when those bright lights are on, have been outstanding,
and people like what they like, and once they decide
what they like what they decide that that's going to
be a favorite. On my phone and update me on
what she does. You can study it, you can argue
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about it, but she's not going to change it. So
you know, I hate that I'm saying this, but gosh,
that really fell in line with everything New York of
Peter Rosenberg, right, fall back on everything being about race
and not about substance or not about style or not
about the things that it's really about. And if you
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think I'm wrong, okay, just Diana Tarassi. She's white. She
was the best player in the WNBA for a handful
of years. Some people think she's the greatest WNBA player ever.
I think then she win four titles at UCUNN. So
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what you get from many of these women is just jealousy,
and what you get from people who aren't these women
is an explanation which is wrapped around race. The problem
with it is it's a red herring. It already exists.
Great white players have already been there. Kelsey Plumb already
played four years and scored over three thousand points, Elena
Dela Don, Diana Tarazi, Sue Byrd. Last time I checked,
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they're all white, and some of them are in fact straight,
some of them are not. Do I think am? I am?
I blind to the fact that that's probably there's a
percentage of people. Sure, there's also always going to be
a percentage of people that in basketball, when you're white,
they don't think you're as good as somebody who's not,
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so they won't buy in, so they won't watch. I
actually think that kind of crossed each other out. The
fact that she's straight. I guess Kelsey plump straight. She
was married to an NFL player, now she's divorced. Like,
I don't think that's it Girl next Door. Maybe in
the packaging. I think the biggest things are that it's
she's a force multiplier and people are attracted to that,
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they watch that, they want to know how that happens.
I think style of play, and then again the loyalty component,
the Midwest component, combined with some other factors and timing,
I think it just works.
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M mmmmmmmm. So I was, uh, I'm watching last night
with the NBA draft. I flip over them like ah.
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I just I love the fact that there's lots of
mid major guys or guys that were formerly mid major
guys coaching in a mid major program that are getting drafted.
And you know, when you watch foreign players get drafted,
recruiting form players, that's intriguing too, and I love basketball,
but I'm slipping around and watching baseball and I thought
of this cal Raleigh story, and it's one of the
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weird things about baseball. But we do a segment and
I think usually we kind of trend into it right
about July. We say it's that's baseball, and it's the
expression I use is because in baseball there are weird
things that happen that you can't explain. But for whatever reason,
people are like, oh, that's just baseball, you know, and
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that you can you can have years with the exact
same hit or exact same approach. The numbers can be
a variance because you know, you get lucky groundball with
that groundball ass. I don't know if this is a
weird one. It's an amazing, amazing start to the season
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for cal Rally, an amazing amazing start to the story
ball for people who don't know. So cow Raleigh and
we're in the first half of the year has hit
thirty two home runs. His the ops is one point
zero sixty three. Just you don't have to be a
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numbers nerd to go like that sounds really good. It's
not good, it's great, it's great. Aaron Judge, for perspective,
has twenty eight home runs. Show Heyo Tani has twenty
eight home runs the same show, Hey Tony with fifteen
to fifty last year. So Raleigh has been incredible. Now,
I mean in comparison to Aaron Judge, who has more hits,
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higher on base percentage, Aaron Judge is on base, by
the way, forty six percent of the time. That's nuts.
In non steroid era, to be on base that much
is is nuts. But there's this other part to the
cow Raley thing. And I think in all honesty, Jay Stu,
you speak to it best, right, which is the assumption
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that get it. Well, it's good because there's just zero
chance this guy does it for the entirety of the year, right,
that's the honest belief. You know, he's in his fifth
major league season, you know, fourth full major league season.
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Last year with one hundred and fifty three games played,
so essentially a whole year, he had thirty four home runs.
This year, through seventy nine games, he has thirty two
home runs. So you know, look, the only way you
can say I think he's gonna fall off a cliff
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is well, you can say low of averages here's a
guy whos hit thirty home runs past couple of years.
Now he's got thirty two in the first half of
the season. He's gonna fall off a cliff because that's baseball.
You could also go, hey, guys, get a better book
on him, Guys, pay more attention, Guys walk him. There's
gonna be a slump at some point. What leads you
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to believe there will be that inevitable fall off in
the second half of the year.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Let's see these combined factors. He's a catcher. Catchers always
have a worse second half of the year than they
do first because of the hot months and the job
they do.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
That's baseball.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I'll give you two examples, two of them glaring examples.
So cal just signed up for the home run derby.
Here are the cautionary tales. Bobby A. Bray, You in
two thousand and five had eighteen home runs going into
the All Star break, and he had six after In
twenty fifteen, Jock Peterson had twenty whopping home runs going
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into the All Star break. He had six afterwards. I
could be wrong on this, and in September, you guys
can put me on there and tell me how foolish
I was. I'm guessing he's trending to be in the
bray you Peterson camp. It's been an amazing start. I
just I can't for the life of me seeing it continue.
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He's hitting two seventy five, which is way above his
career average, so all the indications are that he's just
been hitting out of his ass for four months.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah. Yeah. By the way, his nickname big Dumper, all time,
great nickname right all time. Now he's a big old
boy six three, two thirty five. Big Dumper, I believe
is about his prodigious backsad Big dumper. That's an amazing
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that's a go ahead play the play the big Dumper.
Sound This is so good? Right, I know it's Dan Patrick,
go ahead cow. What's different this year as opposed to
the last couple of years.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think really just me trying to be consistent at
the play and not you know, going up and changing
a bunch of things mid season, trying to you know,
go down rabbit holes, so you know, even if I
do have a bad game or two, just really trying
to stay within myself and my approach and folks on
what I can do rather than what the pictures shying
to to May.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
How often do you go up to the plate trying
to hit a home run?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Well, usually when I do, it doesn't work out very well.
So it's you know, the I guess the old saying,
you know, kind of happens by accident. So you know, pictures,
you know, you have to take advantage of the mistakes
when they do. And I'm just trying to square it
up and hit it through the middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think the most interesting. It's one of the interesting parts.
But how about the Mariners. You know, they sign him
in March to a six year, one hundred and five
million dollar deal. It's got an extension for a twenty
year vested option whatever. But I mean there's a guy
that they drafted, that they developed, and that they bought into.
And look, I mean, one hundred five million dollars over
six years is a lot of money for you and me.
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But in comparison to anybody else who's going to hit
forty fifty home runs and I don't know if he
can do it every year, that's that's a ton monsie.
Are you predicting the falloff? Are you predicting the continued
The continued climb.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I am not predicting the fall off, and maybe I
am be just optimistic here because I understand everything Jason
was saying, and typically another part that he did mention is,
you know, when you participate in a home run derby,
you sometimes lose it after that because, like you said,
Doug Coach, you don't really like it because it's not
the same type of pitch. So you obviously do something
different in the home run derby, which some people have
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you know, said it changes them for the second half.
But I'm gonna stay optimistic, and I'm gonna say He
continues this, and then he gives Aaron Judge a challenge
for the al MVP.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Sammy, where are you?
Speaker 8 (22:34):
What Jason shared a few minutes ago about these you
know a Braves drop off and Jack Peterson's drop off.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
That is fascinating.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I really didn't know about that, and you know, all
the factors he described as perhaps being why these guys
the numbers drop off of the second half of the year.
I'm gonna say that maybe it's not as severe as
a drop off as that, but yeah, he's not gonna
hit in the second half of the year. Another thirty
plus home runs you know, to be up there with
like you know, Aaron Judge, Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire
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by the end of the year that I don't think
that's gonna happen. So hot start for him. Awesome to
see it. Maybe he ends up with forty five, forty seven,
maybe like another fifteen home runs. I really don't know.
I'm just you know, we'll see God Jason to it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah again. And I was under the impression that Safeco
was not a home run hitters park, right they they
haven't changed the fences there.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Have they is is that interest.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Isn't it that? It's interest now?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Yeah, it's an interest. Sorry, yeah, in Atlanta, which is
why no.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, no, no, he plays in sell Oh.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
I thought you were talking about the home run derby
and it threw me off. Sorry, sorry, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
T mobile park Mobile.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
Yes, it was not a Safeco field from nineteen ninety
nine to twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, but I actually I thought, man, I mean that's
how I that's how much I pay attention to say.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Generally considered it a picture of Lee Park. And they
go to the all popular marine layer, the marine.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Layer, which tends to stop balls from.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
Flying slow them down. The air's a little thicker, more humid.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's the worst park in baseball per what I'm I'm
I'm looking at that. This is per stat cast that
for for hitting, it's considered the hardest park in baseball
to hit home runs in.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Wow, that just makes it more impressive.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, well, there you go, so things you did not know.
It does make it more impressive. Now, I haven't seen
his splits in terms of home and road, but it's
there's always a guy there. Does seem to always be
a guy like this, right, There always is a guy
who's like, wait, who has got how many? I don't know,
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I thought, Jay Stu, as much as you've talked about it,
there's always usually as a like a rookie or a
young guy. I mean the Yankees. I remember Kevin Moss
back in the day. We've discussed this previously. What was
the name of the catcher with the Yankees, probably in
that two thousand and seventeen sort of still in the league,
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but he was supposed to be the next and he
came up and had an unbelievable start to his career.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Gary Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Gary Sanchez, that's right, Gary Sanchez. He had like twenty
six home runs in like fifty three games to start
his career.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Perfect crazy, perfect example catcher.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And they and he wears down. Now you do have
the DH. And as you pointed out with the Dodgers,
you can't be a DH when you're the catch of
the Dodgers because Shoeo Tani's a DH with the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Correct. And the most home runs ever hit by a
catcher in a single season, well, Salvador Perez, I'm trying
to impress. I would have just said, but I'm trying
to impress Moni sal He had forty eight. But that's
very misleading because sal petis he played a lot of
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first base and DH. So it's like technically he's the
catcher that has that record, but he he split time
playing other things and that and Rawley's been doing the
same thing. Rawley's got at least twenty games at DH.
That'll help him. Will Smith has to catch or he
doesn't play.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Something cool about being a catcher, right, I was a
catcher when I was when I was a kid, and
then as I when I got to high school, they
wanted me to play like second base and third base
and stuff, you know, like, oh you got good hands
as a catcher, but you're too little. I was really
little growing up. And not that I'm some gigantic dude now,
but back then, catchers were always like six two six
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three six four, and I was I was nowhere near
that when I entered high school. But there's something really
cool to have in that gear and kind of walking
out doing your John Wayne walk out. You know, somebody
else catches the first couple of catches and warm ups,
then you get out, you got the mic, and then
you throw it coming down.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
You're like the you're you're, you're living, You're you have
a relationship with the picture. You know, you talk, you
could cool down, you know you, Yes, you have to
give them a little some words of wisdom, like, hey,
maybe just change this up so the yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Hey, we're good, we're good. We're good. We're good. Here,
we're good. Here hight breathe, breathe. But you have you
have relationships with everybody there. Right, It's a it fit
me because it's a talker's position. You talk to them,
You talk to posey hitters, you talk to your you
talk to your picture.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
You know, just track them.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Hey you got two two coming down?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Two but that's why there aren't many catchers in the
Hall of Fame. There aren't many productive hitting catchers in
the history of the game, because not only is the
the weather wearing you down at a tough position every
day where you're squatting thousands of times a day, and
then you have to have all this stuff in your head.
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Most of your focus has to be on handling the rotation,
knowing each pitcher's strength, and knowing every hitter strength. Like,
there's so much going through the mind of a catcher.
It's shocking that there's ever a catcher that has a
productive offense. But that's what kind of makes this guy's
season amazing. Will Smith is having a great.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Season and Cal Rawly has fourteen homers at home eighteen
on the very good nice stat Yeah, nice good stat.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
How many games he played at home? How many games
he playing the rud.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I would say equal just a guess, just throwing that
out there, guessing.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Well, away he's at home, he's had one hundred and
forty at bats. Away, he's had one hundred and fifty five.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Okay, so you said fourteen more opportunities, but that's phenomenal.
It's yeah, basically even although at those numbers, he's probably
hitting the home run every fourteen or so at bats, right,
so that should be one more and it's at four more.
But yeah, the the the thick Seattle air.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Doesn't he also have the name that you would expect
to be like one of the lower level acts at
stage coach.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Cal Raley totally cal Raley. Cal Raley sings My nightmare
was her honeymoon. I don't know. Guys name Morgan, Morgan Wall,
Margan Wall.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
And cal Rawley opened for him.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah. Monster, you do you enjoy country music? I? I do,
but it's not that's a no.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I I do, but I you know, it's not my
It's not what I'm running to.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's a no. It's okay to say it's not my jam,
but but I don't. For example, for example, Riley Green
is tomorrow night in Milwaukee. It's Summerfest. If anybody knows
anyth about Wisconsin, Summerfest is everything. Okay. When I say
Riley Green, are you like, do you know who that is?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
No?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I assume it's a baseball player. Initially, okay, I thought
you were like, oh okay, I thought you was a
musical artist.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I was like no, no, no, no, no, cal Raley actually
plays tomorrow night in Milwaukee. Honestly, Riley Green could be
an SEC football player, you know, probably what probably quarterback, right, man,
you see Riley Green play for the Gators. I like that.
I like that kid. He can really throw. Now, Riley
Green is a super hot country musician. When I say
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he is, he's a good looking man as well. But
I said hot, it's more a very popular yes. And
he's got like he's he's got he's known for. I
think he may have shaved it, but he had like
a he had a magnum p I mustache.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
I will listen to.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, okay, mister Green. You know, cal Raley's opening.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
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Speaker 1 (31:05):
Stuck Out lip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Big Ben's
kind of he's kind of figured out this podcast stuff. Right,
do lists talk about big names? Get yourself in the mix.
My guess is big Ben Roethlsberger wants to be on TV.
And here's how he's gonna here's how he's gonna do it.
I don't know whether his early career off field stuff
(31:27):
ends up keeping him from doing that. I don't know,
but he's on a podcast called Football and with Ben Roethlisberger,
he made this declaration.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Well, I would take Aaron and his prime over Patrick
Now I think, I think, yeah, I think Aaron Rodgers
at his prime was one of the top few to
ever do it. And so with Patrick Mahomes his prime,
Patrick Mahomes is just just by entering out of his prime.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I think.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
That's a fascinating discussion. It's a fascinating discussion Aaron Rodgers
or Pat Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers in his prime over Pat Mahomes. Yeah,
I again, I don't have Here's what I've said about
Aaron Rodgers. There's boxes that you have to check, and
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most guys are missing something right, Like if you want
to say Tom Brady, like Tom Brady was not athletics,
so if you could get to him at his feet,
so he didn't move the way Aaron moved, didn't move
the way air moved. Steve Young got hurt a lot.
(32:44):
I guess that's the You know, when Steve Young went
through a period of time early in his career, wasn't
very good, went to the USFL, you know, was a backup,
earned his way back in and then became a Hall
of It was amazing. And Steve Young, I feel like
probably gonna go down as one of the best quarterbacks
to never to be in that discussion when he played,
and never be in that discussion since Peyton Manning. Not
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a great arm, nimble into pocket, obviously not out of
the pocket, unbelievable quarterback, not a great arm, made it
work anyway, played indoors or an altitude. Not a great arm.
So they all have something. Damn Reno completely immobile and
had to play in the shotgun a bunch because of
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that mobility, and they never had a running game. But
part of the reason they never had a running game
was he couldn't be under center and also didn't win enough.
Now you could say the same thing about Rogers, but
there's a lot of NSC championship games, a couple of
Super Bowls. Was do you lose the Super Bowl? Definitely
won a Super Bowl sins, But if you want to
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go through the boxes, you got to check, right, does
he have the arm strength yes, accuracy yes, mobility sure,
brain yes, leadership I think the answer is yes, I
would say the one thing that would be missing. And
here's where we all have blind spots, right, we all
have blind spots. I think Big Ben, by the way,
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was elite, elite, elite, but sometimes you have a blind
spot for likability. And Aaron wasn't unlikable like Erin. If
you get to know him, great dude. A lot of
guys really like him. But it's not like he's close
with a lot of guys. It's not like there are
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people trying to kill themselves to be Aaron's guy and
Aaron's supporter, whereas Mahomes and others they have this it's
almost like they're a politician where they just win. If
you sit down with him, you're like, oh my god,
are we best friends? He has that, but he also
can turn it off a lot quicker than they don't
(34:56):
turn it off. Let's welcome in Mark dominic. Of course,
he was a you got a manager of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. He's worked everywhere in professionals football, ain't joined
just his weekly visit here on the Doug Gallic Show
on Fox Sports Radio, big Ben said, Prime Aaron Rodgers
over Prime Pat Mahomes, what do.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
You think, Oh, I don't think he's far away as
great as Patrick Mahomes is. I think because we've been
a little bit further removed from what we remember Aaron
Rodgers being that maybe we're not remembering prime Aaron Rodgers
has been saying, like, I mean I dealt with Baron
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you know, a couple of times specifically in his career
that was GM when Aaron was going equipped not forty
touchdowns and having like five or six interceptions a season.
So it was painful. You know, I think I think
Ben's fair. I don't think it's a It's not like
some absurd statement. I look at it that way. You know,
there's a guy that Aaron when I was a GM
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and dealing with him, he was completing sixty seven sixty
eight summer. I think that the kind of percentage is
going well over four thousand yards, and he was the
poster child for like touchdown to interception Raytiow. I mean,
he was the best. And so I don't think that's
a sarch statement. Is as great as you know, obviously
Patrick's have been.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is
a there is a factor though, and again, I wasn't
in the Packers' organization, and I think some of how
we view it now is how it ended, not how
it was during the during the meat of those years
where he had a lot better relationships I think with teammates.
(36:30):
But there is a certain likability factor that you have
to have at quarterback, is there not.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Yes, I think it's very I mean, I do think
it's important, but I don't think that the guys like
I don't remember guys in Green Bay, like you know,
the old school receivers are you know driver But also
you know, obviously Dante. No one never spoke ill of
Aaron I know, since I think the media didn't like
him or something like some people had to part. I'll
remember players like ever coming out and Saybody, this guy's
a jerk.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, no, no, it's it's he wasn't unlikable. But I
don't know if they loved him. I don't know if
it was the same. I again could be wrong, and
a lot I think some of it is outsider to
the main years, and it changes over time. And of course,
you know when you bounce team to team here late
in your career, some of that stuff changed as well.
(37:16):
Mark Domini, our guest. You're on the Doug Outlet Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I'm intrigued by Kayleb Williams. You know,
he's Jason Stewart, who I know you talked to. He's
our producer here. I love the analogy that he uses.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
It's basically like the spouse or boyfriend that gets caught
cheating and is always having to gravel right. He's always
and because they got him on tape saying I want
to be a Viking, I don't want to play. It's
like he's over the top in the Oh my god,
this is the greatest thing ever. So where are you
(37:55):
on Caleb Williams on the likelihood of a more successful
second year in his career.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
I think you know and you remember, and we talked
about last year. I liked Caleb Williams, but I wasn't
the number one to Caleb Williams guy. I just felt
like he thought it was gonna be easy and things
were going to come naturally, and it was just gonna
be like I'm gonna walk to the NFL and own
this thing, and it's just not like that. That's that's
how this league works. It's certainly very hard to do that. However,
that all being said, I think the Bears have done
a tremendous job of improving that offensive line. I think
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a lot of us kind of forget that Caleb Williams,
you know, did have a good season, except he's the
number one pick and so you're holding him to a
different standard, right. I think that that's the hard thing
for him when you kind of look at what is
expected out of him versus what he delivered, you know,
more touchdowns. Certainly, I think everybody would want to see
that or expect that from Caleb Williams, and I think
we'll see that this year again. Protections everything, and you know,
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you want to see the biggest jump of any NFL
player from like year one to year two. Think of
Trevor Lawrence. He was if you want to compare a
first overall pick and how he did. Trevor Lawrence was
terrible then his first year. I mean he threw what
twelve touchdowns, eight seventeen or eighteen interceptions versus twenty and
six for Caleb Blames. So there was good things there.
It's just that Jayden Daniels was wow. And I think
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that kind of hurt the look of Caleb. Hopefully he's
grown up through this. I think he will improve this year.
I still don't know if he's going to get it
and understand exactly what you're talking about. Aaron rodg is
how to become more of a genuine likable guy by
the things that come out of his mouth sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Steut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic, long time in the NFL, most
notably a gentle manager with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
so then you go to Minnesota, a team that they've
had back to back starting quarterbacks who have left on
back to back years. But they put up gar ganst
you in numbers, gark Gansuan numbers, and the thought is, man,
(39:46):
you got a former quarterback who's a play color. He
got skilled position guys everywhere. But now you have JJ
McCarthy who hasn't played a snap and he's played in
college with a highly conservative system. How do you think
they bring him up to speed in real time?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
I don't think it's going to be as hard as
I think people think. You know, thankfully, JJ did get
to play in one preseason game and got to throw
the ball around a little bit before. You know, obviously
the does the injury. The one thing even in the preseason,
in the one game he played, one thing that's really important.
He took zero sacks and that's a big deal for
a young quarterback. You know that that he's got the
awareness to know to get the ball out of his
(40:26):
hands and not take the negative play. And he did
a good job in that. And that was you know,
you can't really judge a lot off the preseason, but
at least can just shudge decision making in poise and
JJ showed that. And now with an offseason of you know,
being able to really dig into the book really to
understand what's expected to watch it from the field is tough.
But I think he's going to have a lot of
(40:48):
success because again, I think he's got the charisma it part,
but I also think he's got the mental acuity that
you're looking for at quarterback where he makes the right
decision with the football. Will there be some up and down,
of course, he's JJ McCarthy. He's going to be in
his quote unquote rookie season or his first year to
actually play. But I'm not surprised if Vik's handed them
the ball and said go get this because they had
(41:08):
the confidence to draft them more they did. And you know,
I think that they've seen a lot of him, probably
over the last couple of weeks, but also before the injury.
They were probably wowed by him by what he was doing,
you know, within the organization before he got banged up.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I love
the Patriots higher, I just do. But what does that
look like on the field considering the competitiveness of that division?
Speaker 5 (41:36):
Uh, you know, you know, I love Brabel, I like
I like the people within the front office. I like
the coaching staff that they've got together. I think they're
going to be good. The problem is the roster still
too far away for that division. They're still you know,
they're fighting I think for third place at best, even
though Brabel has done a great job with you know,
some teams that may not have had as much talent.
But I do think that it's a good team. But
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they are at least one, if not two seasons away
from really being competitive with the even the Dolphins. And
I don't say that in a bad way of the
Miami Dolphins. I think if they can have to a
first season, they should be a playoff team, but certainly
they're not near where the Bills are right now. And
from just a pure talent standpoint, I think they're trying
to get there. They'll slowly get there, but the skill position,
the skill players just to me still aren't at the
(42:23):
level that we see other teams in that division that
they have, and that I think that's going to hold
him back.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, probably will, probably will hold about what about the Chiefs.
You know, Mahomes has just figured out a way to
get it done, and you know, the last two Superols
they've been in, We're like, wow, this is the least
talented they're going to be. What have they done to
their talent base?
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Well, I think one thing that's big, and then I
don't think of people really, you know, it's it's been
a very tumultuous time for his career. But she writes
coming back is a big deal, like he was really
breaking out and the player that I think everybody in
Kansas hoped you'd be, and certainly within the front of.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
This as well.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
And now him coming back is going to be a
big bolst to that offense where you've got the guys
who can vertically. Hollywood Brown and Zavier Worrith they can
go vertical, but Rashie Rice can do everything underneath. That's
a huge deal. My big concern about the Chiefs and
I love I love the pick of Josh Simmons. I
think it was a steal for them to get him
at the bottom of the first round, but I still
just worry about like the you know, losing Joe Thoni,
(43:24):
you know, the right tackle spot. Juan Taylor hasn't been
really comfortable, so I get more worried there. They're a
physical football team. The only thing I think that they
wish they probably had is a little more speed on
the defensive side. But I think the biggest thing you
got to watch as a Chief fan, and I think
this is why I think they'll take a little step down,
is the cornerback room is not strong like it has
been before. I think Jalen Watson can have a good year,
but I think they're looking at the other corner opposite
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of him with McDuffie probably inside of the nickel. That's
going to be spot that I think people are going
to really pin and an attack and we're the Kansas
city to give a hold up because they you know,
they've got power rushers, but they really don't have the
fastball rusher, which I think they're really really need.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, okay, Eagles win the super Bowl. Last time to
win the Super Bowl, lose your coordinators and they struggle.
This time, you lose your offensive coordinator. What's the Eagles
now trying to repeat? What does that that that team
look like? With Saquon back, you know, with so many
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back and some of those young players coming of age.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Yeah, I think it's nice that Lane Johnson is going
to play and stay there. I think that's a big deal.
And again I always go to the offensive line first,
and I feel really good about where they sit. You know,
the Cam Jurgens, albeit a different player than obviously Kelsey,
certainly it was very productive in terms of their run
game and helping Saquon. The only thing you get worry
about is can they stay as healthy as they were?
Like Ken, Saquon stay as healthy as he was. You
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wonder about that. Defensively, I think you know, besides Quinn
and Mitchell and Cooper Jeans who came in and had
just great years, they've got other players on this team
that I think are really going to step up and
step through this year. Like I'm looking at guys like
Kylie Ringo, the corner that they drafted a couple year ago.
I think he's a starting corner in the National Football
I think he's a really good one. I think Jaylex
Hunt is a guy that you know, I think is
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going to be in a very very good pass rusher
that by middle of the season, Doug, We're gonna be
talking about, like the Eagles, like who are these guys
that weren't starting last year that suddenly start this year.
So I think they got a lot of depth from
the defensive side, which is going to be the really
exciting spot for them. So I look at that, so
I think defensively they're going to be fine. I just
think offensively, I hope they can stay healthy. But I
just feel like when you when you look at Devonte
(45:26):
Smith or you see a sa Quon Barkley, no one
wishes any injuries. I just don't think they're gonna be
as fortunate to have them as many weeks as they
did last year.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I think that's I think that's completely and utterly fair.
When you're in the league, like when you're in Tampa,
there are times you know before they got the Buccaneers
that I know, this is after you gets Tom Brady.
There's lots of years which nobody really pays attention to you.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Within
for organizations? Not not for the ownership, right, maybe not
(45:57):
for making money, but in terms of trying to operate
on a daily basis? Is it better because like we
never talk about Seattle, We don't, I mean very rarely.
You know, they got Donold, they got a new coach.
We don't talk about Seattle. Jacksonville maybe a little bit
just because Trevor Lawrence seemingly has been disappointing at some point,
like we expected. But you know, how often do we
(46:19):
talk about New Orleans? How often do we talk even
about Houston has been a playoff team? Past two years?
You've operated in the times that they're paying attention in
times they don't. What's a better way to operate when
you're a general manager?
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Well, I you know, shout out to Jason light getting
his extension. He has you know, he had to you know,
kind of walk through some tough years early on. But
you know what they've done in Tampa no one's talking about, right,
I mean they've made the playoffs. What five years in
a row? No one's ever done that, right or the
last what is it? They're the only NFC team to
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make the playoffs five years in a row. That's a
heck of a statement. And you don't even think about it.
When you think about Tampa Bay, you're like, Okay, they're good.
But but I think you appreciate being like that. I mean,
maybe you feel in the moment, Doug when I was
at GM in Tampa, but even when I was there
with you know, coach Dungee and Coach Cruden and we
were having ups and downs, are really great seasons, obviously,
you never really felt like, you know, you're always like, well,
(47:13):
it's the Rodney Dangerfields kind of effected.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
You're like respect exactly.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
And so you feel that sometimes. But at the same point,
it's not bad to be in a bubble where you're
not the Jets, you're not the Eagles, you're not this
front page like what's wrong with you all the time,
even though you feel like that when you're the gentleman
of that football team. So John Schneider in Seattle, he
certainly feels the local stuff, but maybe the you know,
the the national stuff isn't quite the same. I think
it's good. I think it's helpful, even though sometimes again
(47:39):
you don't get to respect. I think it's autually helps
you be able to, you know, kind of work through
like the tough spots without feeling like everything there's every
little decision is made is being analyzed, whether you're the
Chicago Bears or the New York Giants or Jets.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Uh listen, uh, Mark, I got to ask you. I mean,
the talk early in the week was about Tyrese Haliburton
tearing his achilles tendon, and well, it's had, you know,
three stars to hear their achilles tendon in the playoffs.
I thought a lot of guys showed their limited focus
in that this has been happening in the NFL now right.
(48:14):
I mean, you have three quarterbacks Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,
and Sean Watson touring their achilles tendant, granted all in
their thirties, but still like we hadn't had that volume.
And then there are younger players tearing their achilles tendon.
Why why do you think it is? Well, just venture
fairly educated guess on why this is kind of this
injury which was very rare before has become a little
(48:36):
bit more commonplace.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Well, part of it, I would say, quarterback wide, it's
probably not. I don't think it's like, well, the quarterbacks
are overtraining and therefore there's I think it's because the
athletes are just for whatever however it's happening. Athletes are faster, bigger, stronger,
and so you know, just an extra little torque when
you get tackled the excellttle twister and you get knocked around,
is putting strain on something because they're playing at such
(48:59):
a highlight level and a high speed. Now, I think
that that's what happens. I think the NBA is a
little bit that way in terms of like how you know,
it's not the physical game we grew up watching. I
grew up watching. It's it's a finets and run and
gun kind of a thing, and so you know, it's
just a strain on that pendon. But I think in
the football I think it's more because of you know,
the speed and the strength and power that we're seeing
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from these young players, of all these players and what
they're doing. Like I was just at the NFL Sacks
sum in Vegas. Literally just got home a couple hours ago,
but spent you know, two days out there in Las
Vegas with Max Crosby and Von Miller and Cam Jordan
and they're all working with you know, there was what
forty fifty young you know, defensive lineman whether you're defensive
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tackle or a defensive end that are there and they're
just breaking down film and talking about how they do that,
How does Blong do this, how does Cam do that?
And then talking to the young guys about what have
you done? You know, where are you going with your body?
What are you doing? It's amazing, it's awesome, and you
think that that stuff never happened, and it's you know,
here are the guys. Everybody thinks like, well, these players
are after the veteran mining camps, they go home and
now they're just kind of relaxing until they get to
(50:03):
you know, until they get the training camp. No, the
biggest guys there are forty guys out there that were
working out in the UNLV's build, working on their pass
rust then coming back and watching film from the elites
of best and getting coaching tips. That's where I think
why we see maybe more injuries because these guys are
training at a crazy level, trying to be the best
they can be.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
That's Mark Dominic. What's he know, He's only spent his
entire professional life in the Nation Football League. Kind of
to spend some time with us. Mark, thanks so much
for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Thanks, Doug, Enjoy the weekend, buddy,
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(00:28):
Hope you're ready for a great summer weekend. NBA season
is in the books, and so is the NBA Draft. Yeah.
I mean, I find it hard to find a heart
(00:51):
of fake interest in things. And it's not because you know,
there's a young man I got a chance to work
with as a consultant two years ago. Javon Small drafted yesterday.
He was at West Virginia. Year before that he was
at Oklahoma State from South Bend, Indiana. Just just a
stud of a young man. So really happy for him.
(01:12):
But you know, what did we really gain from less
having a second day of an NBA draft? I don't know.
I don't know, but we do have lots to talk
about and some interesting topics. So Cooper Flag as we
told you he is. Look, he's kind of the great
White Hope, a American born white player that is the
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number one pick in the NBA draft, and like we
can dance around it. But generally American born players that
have been highly regarded, highly successful in the NBA have
all been either a black or mixed race. I mean,
that's just the reality of it. The guys with the
(01:58):
whiter skin, the whiter guys have been foreign born players
who have played well and dominated. American born white players
have not. So it adds to the intrigue. I'm not
going to sit here and deny that. It adds to
the intrigue of the I just wonder Larry Bird said
black man's game. But I always find it interesting on
how people try and combined the women's game in the
(02:22):
men's game and ESPN, well they do it. They do
their thing. And there's a radio host, by the way,
is very successful as an FMDJ, and he's done radio
on the sports side as well. He's done both. And
(02:43):
his names but Peter Rosenberg, and he was on First
Take today and here's what he said about Cooper Flag
in comparison to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
We're all adults. We can have a real life conversation.
Last time I checked, we still live in America, right.
Cooper Flag is a white guy, maybe the best white
American prospects since Larry Bird. Right, Let's not act as
if we don't live in America. We're not seeing what's
happening with Caitlin Clark in the WNBA. Cooper Flag is
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going to be an instant impact player in the NBA.
I think Danny will agree, he is ready to go.
That kid could play right now if he's nearly as
good as people expect. I think when it comes to intrigue,
actual intrigue that people are talking about day to day,
no one's going to be more intriguing get more eyeballs
than what Cooper Flag's doing in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, so there's a lot to ingest there. The idea
that he's going to be an instant impact player, again,
what does that exactly mean? I think he's going to
be good. I also think he's eighteen years old, and
I think you know that's a team where again they'll
look like one thing before Kyrie can back. Kyrie will
take it to well to adjust, but Anthony Davis to
(04:04):
be the best player on the team, and Cooper Flag
would have a chance to develop on a pretty good
playoff caliber team and we'll see how he's used. But
the discussion I want to have is not about Cooper Flag.
The discussion I want to have is about Caitlin Clark
because what was not so subtly said there by Peter
Rosenberg is I think the walking narrative of many WNBA
(04:28):
players and some WNBA fans, which is basically, Hey, the
reason that we're paying attention to Kaitlin Clark is because
she's white. I didn't miss here that I didn't misconstrue that.
I think that's what anyone can gain her from it.
The problem with that is that the women's game is
(04:52):
not the men's game. The women's game is not the
men's game. And whether it's Sue Bird or Elena deladon, uh,
you even move it to the current players in a
Kelsey Plumb or the rookie who they'll compete against the
(05:14):
night in a Page Beckers. Last time I checked, they're
all white, right, they're all white. So if people are
paying attention to Caitlyn Clark because she's white, why haven't
they paid attention when Elena Deladon was the best player
(05:36):
in the WNBA. Why why aren't they paying more attention
to Paige Beckers. Why is Kelsey Plum despite the fact
that she scored at one point time the most I
think points of second most points of anybody in college basketball,
why didn't she receive the same fanfare? I'm asking because
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I know what the answer is, right and if you
want to say, well, it was because she was the
thing in college. Like again, Paigebackers was a bigger thing
in high school and played at the absolute biggest women's
college basketball program in the country at Yukon and just
won a national championship. I don't even think it's because
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she's straight. Do I think that she's white and that
she's straight and that she looks like the girl next
door are added things that may attract a small percentage
of people, maybe, But I honestly believe that there's two
parts to it, or maybe three, where she's a force multiplier,
force multiplier, force multiplier in how she plays, but in
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her overall presence and demeanor force multiplier. She makes everybody
around her better. She makes everything sort of bigger, and
she obviously was the rising tide that lifted all those
ships in at Iowa. They didn't win a national championship,
they went back to back final fours, and if you
look historically, it's been a really good program. You know
what hadn't done previously, gone a back to back final fource.
(07:09):
It's the force multiplier. So that's the first thing. Second
thing is it's style of play. We're so attracted to
how Steph Curry played that. And again, part of the
magic to Steph Curry is he takes the same shots
she's shooting, only he doesn't go through the shooting slums
she's going through. But the Steph Curry logo threes combined
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with the passing, the panache and then the winning, and
you have the second I think kind of tent pole
to uh to it. And then I think location helps her.
I think the fact that she the Midwestern girl from
Iowa played at Iowa, all about the Midwest draft in
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the Midwest where they actually really really care about basketball
and feel like they care about their own I think
all those things work. And it reminds me of a
book called The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell, where it's
basically case studies on what was the tipping point which
(08:17):
allowed red wing shoes to blow up? What was the
tipping point for anything? And my takeaway from the book
has always been and continues to be that it's never
just one factor, but it's all wrapped up in a
perfectly packaged, perfectly timed and a little bit of luck
(08:38):
that ends up making things go big, making things go big,
I know, I mean, think about think about Starbucks in
comparison to however many other chains there have been Coffee
being and Tea Leaf used to be bigger. Starbucks race
(08:58):
past it right and Starbucks went to drive throughs for
a good reason because you can make a ton more
money on those drive throughs. But it did. That was
a massive evolution for Starbucks when Howard Schultz owned star
When he started Starbucks and they started to expand, the
whole idea was it was your third place. First place
(09:19):
is home, your second place's work. They wanted to be
your third place to where you could hang out and
do work or feel like you're at home and have conversations.
And they didn't want to do drive throughs. But then
they were going to make so much money to drive throughs,
they had to do it, and had to expand probably
over expanded. Remember there's a time which they during the
economic downturn, they closed a lot of stores, but those
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drive throughs allowed them to survive and even thrive during COVID,
whereas your mom and pop coffee shops where everybody got
to sit inside and talk, those were left in the dust.
Point is that it's not just one factor. It's a
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multitude of factors that allow something to be successful. But
for whatever reason, people seemed completely locked in on the
fact that Kaitlyn Clark is white and that's why people
care about Kaitlyn Clark and she is white. There's no denying.
Is there a curiosity towards it? Maybe, But in the
women's game, it's really about fifty to fifty and oh yeah.
(10:25):
By the way, who we care about and who we
like and who we watch the most doesn't have to
be the best. And I honestly think the NFL is
a great example. I give credit to Jay Stu. He
pointed out to start the year and he's like, look,
it's been trending this way. I think this is the
worst year ever for it. Where the NFL at times
(10:45):
is not a great product. Now how they package it
is really good. It's a great TV sport. It works
for gambling, it works for fantasy football, whatever, But the
actual gameplay not the greatest, right, even college football not
the greatest. But you don't always watch things because they're
(11:06):
the best. You don't watch the cleanest, the best sport
because of why you watch it. You know, there's a
discussion over do you watch college you watch pro? And
I thought Jay Billis pointed out really well the other
day on a podcast where he was talking about basketball
and that if you like college basketball, we watch college basketball,
and you don't watch the NBA. You're not watching it
(11:26):
because the quality of the product. You're watching it for
another reason. You know, a kid, you're intrigued by what's
the future of the sport like, But more than anything,
a tie or an infatuation with a coach or university,
that's it. It's not the best. So Caitlin Clark probably
not the best player in the NBA. She's incredibly impactful
(11:48):
and we pay attention to her. Is she white? Yeah?
Is she straight? Sure? But there have been other white,
straight players who have been very, very good players in
the WNBA, and they have not seen received diffraction of
the attention of a Caitlin Clark. Now there'll be case
studies done, and maybe I'm wrong, but I think her
(12:09):
location staying in a school for four years when everybody
else was bouncing to school to school, to school to school.
Hailey Vandlith for example. By the way, Haley Vandlith also white, right,
the dynamic of how she plays, how she carries herself,
being in the Midwest, being a force multiplier, taking Eyewa
(12:30):
a back to back final fource. Her performance for the
most part when those bright lights are on, have been outstanding,
and people like what they like, and once they decide
what they like what they decide that that's going to
be a favorite. On my phone and update me on
what she does. You can study it, you can argue
(12:51):
about it, but she's not going to change it. So
you know, I hate that I'm saying this, but gosh,
that really fell in line with everything New York of
Peter Rosenberg, right, fall back on everything being about race
and not about substance or not about style or not
about the things that it's really about. And if you
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think I'm wrong, okay, just Diana Tarassi. She's white. She
was the best player in the WNBA for a handful
of years. Some people think she's the greatest WNBA player ever.
I think then she win four titles at UCUNN. So
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what you get from many of these women is just jealousy,
and what you get from people who aren't these women
is an explanation which is wrapped around race. The problem
with it is it's a red herring. It already exists.
Great white players have already been there. Kelsey Plumb already
played four years and scored over three thousand points, Elena
Dela Don, Diana Tarazi, Sue Byrd. Last time I checked,
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they're all white, and some of them are in fact straight,
some of them are not. Do I think am? I am?
I blind to the fact that that's probably there's a
percentage of people. Sure, there's also always going to be
a percentage of people that in basketball, when you're white,
they don't think you're as good as somebody who's not,
(14:18):
so they won't buy in, so they won't watch. I
actually think that kind of crossed each other out. The
fact that she's straight. I guess Kelsey plump straight. She
was married to an NFL player, now she's divorced. Like,
I don't think that's it Girl next Door. Maybe in
the packaging. I think the biggest things are that it's
she's a force multiplier and people are attracted to that,
(14:42):
they watch that, they want to know how that happens.
I think style of play, and then again the loyalty component,
the Midwest component, combined with some other factors and timing,
I think it just works.
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M mmmmmmmm. So I was, uh, I'm watching last night
with the NBA draft. I flip over them like ah.
(15:44):
I just I love the fact that there's lots of
mid major guys or guys that were formerly mid major
guys coaching in a mid major program that are getting drafted.
And you know, when you watch foreign players get drafted,
recruiting form players, that's intriguing too, and I love basketball,
but I'm slipping around and watching baseball and I thought
of this cal Raleigh story, and it's one of the
(16:07):
weird things about baseball. But we do a segment and
I think usually we kind of trend into it right
about July. We say it's that's baseball, and it's the
expression I use is because in baseball there are weird
things that happen that you can't explain. But for whatever reason,
people are like, oh, that's just baseball, you know, and
(16:30):
that you can you can have years with the exact
same hit or exact same approach. The numbers can be
a variance because you know, you get lucky groundball with
that groundball ass. I don't know if this is a
weird one. It's an amazing, amazing start to the season
(16:51):
for cal Rally, an amazing amazing start to the story
ball for people who don't know. So cow Raleigh and
we're in the first half of the year has hit
thirty two home runs. His the ops is one point
zero sixty three. Just you don't have to be a
(17:13):
numbers nerd to go like that sounds really good. It's
not good, it's great, it's great. Aaron Judge, for perspective,
has twenty eight home runs. Show Heyo Tani has twenty
eight home runs the same show, Hey Tony with fifteen
to fifty last year. So Raleigh has been incredible. Now,
I mean in comparison to Aaron Judge, who has more hits,
(17:34):
higher on base percentage, Aaron Judge is on base, by
the way, forty six percent of the time. That's nuts.
In non steroid era, to be on base that much
is is nuts. But there's this other part to the
cow Raley thing. And I think in all honesty, Jay Stu,
you speak to it best, right, which is the assumption
(17:56):
that get it. Well, it's good because there's just zero
chance this guy does it for the entirety of the year, right,
that's the honest belief. You know, he's in his fifth
major league season, you know, fourth full major league season.
(18:19):
Last year with one hundred and fifty three games played,
so essentially a whole year, he had thirty four home runs.
This year, through seventy nine games, he has thirty two
home runs. So you know, look, the only way you
can say I think he's gonna fall off a cliff
(18:40):
is well, you can say low of averages here's a
guy whos hit thirty home runs past couple of years.
Now he's got thirty two in the first half of
the season. He's gonna fall off a cliff because that's baseball.
You could also go, hey, guys, get a better book
on him, Guys, pay more attention, Guys walk him. There's
gonna be a slump at some point. What leads you
(19:00):
to believe there will be that inevitable fall off in
the second half of the year.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
Let's see these combined factors. He's a catcher. Catchers always
have a worse second half of the year than they
do first because of the hot months and the job
they do.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
That's baseball.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I'll give you two examples, two of them glaring examples.
So cal just signed up for the home run derby.
Here are the cautionary tales. Bobby A. Bray, You in
two thousand and five had eighteen home runs going into
the All Star break, and he had six after In
twenty fifteen, Jock Peterson had twenty whopping home runs going
(19:38):
into the All Star break. He had six afterwards. I
could be wrong on this, and in September, you guys
can put me on there and tell me how foolish
I was. I'm guessing he's trending to be in the
bray you Peterson camp. It's been an amazing start. I
just I can't for the life of me seeing it continue.
(20:00):
He's hitting two seventy five, which is way above his
career average, so all the indications are that he's just
been hitting out of his ass for four months.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah. Yeah. By the way, his nickname big Dumper, all time,
great nickname right all time. Now he's a big old
boy six three, two thirty five. Big Dumper, I believe
is about his prodigious backsad Big dumper. That's an amazing
(20:33):
that's a go ahead play the play the big Dumper.
Sound This is so good? Right, I know it's Dan Patrick,
go ahead cow. What's different this year as opposed to
the last couple of years.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think really just me trying to be consistent at
the play and not you know, going up and changing
a bunch of things mid season, trying to you know,
go down rabbit holes, so you know, even if I
do have a bad game or two, just really trying
to stay within myself and my approach and folks on
what I can do rather than what the pictures shying
to to May.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
How often do you go up to the plate trying
to hit a home run?
Speaker 6 (21:06):
Well, usually when I do, it doesn't work out very well.
So it's you know, the I guess the old saying,
you know, kind of happens by accident. So you know, pictures,
you know, you have to take advantage of the mistakes
when they do. And I'm just trying to square it
up and hit it through the middle of the field.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I think the most interesting. It's one of the interesting parts.
But how about the Mariners. You know, they sign him
in March to a six year, one hundred and five
million dollar deal. It's got an extension for a twenty
year vested option whatever. But I mean there's a guy
that they drafted, that they developed, and that they bought into.
And look, I mean, one hundred five million dollars over
six years is a lot of money for you and me.
(21:43):
But in comparison to anybody else who's going to hit
forty fifty home runs and I don't know if he
can do it every year, that's that's a ton monsie.
Are you predicting the falloff? Are you predicting the continued
The continued climb.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I am not predicting the fall off, and maybe I
am be just optimistic here because I understand everything Jason
was saying, and typically another part that he did mention is,
you know, when you participate in a home run derby,
you sometimes lose it after that because, like you said,
Doug Coach, you don't really like it because it's not
the same type of pitch. So you obviously do something
different in the home run derby, which some people have
(22:18):
you know, said it changes them for the second half.
But I'm gonna stay optimistic, and I'm gonna say He
continues this, and then he gives Aaron Judge a challenge
for the al MVP.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Sammy, where are you?
Speaker 8 (22:34):
What Jason shared a few minutes ago about these you
know a Braves drop off and Jack Peterson's drop off.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
That is fascinating.
Speaker 8 (22:41):
I really didn't know about that, and you know, all
the factors he described as perhaps being why these guys
the numbers drop off of the second half of the year.
I'm gonna say that maybe it's not as severe as
a drop off as that, but yeah, he's not gonna
hit in the second half of the year. Another thirty
plus home runs you know, to be up there with
like you know, Aaron Judge, Barry Bonds and Mark McGuire
(23:01):
by the end of the year that I don't think
that's gonna happen. So hot start for him. Awesome to
see it. Maybe he ends up with forty five, forty seven,
maybe like another fifteen home runs. I really don't know.
I'm just you know, we'll see God Jason to it.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yeah again. And I was under the impression that Safeco
was not a home run hitters park, right they they
haven't changed the fences there.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Have they is is that interest.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Isn't it that? It's interest now?
Speaker 7 (23:36):
Yeah, it's an interest. Sorry, yeah, in Atlanta, which is
why no.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
No, no, no, he plays in sell Oh.
Speaker 7 (23:42):
I thought you were talking about the home run derby
and it threw me off. Sorry, sorry, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
T mobile park Mobile.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
Yes, it was not a Safeco field from nineteen ninety
nine to twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yeah, but I actually I thought, man, I mean that's
how I that's how much I pay attention to say.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Generally considered it a picture of Lee Park. And they
go to the all popular marine layer, the marine.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Layer, which tends to stop balls from.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
Flying slow them down. The air's a little thicker, more humid.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It's the worst park in baseball per what I'm I'm
I'm looking at that. This is per stat cast that
for for hitting, it's considered the hardest park in baseball
to hit home runs in.
Speaker 8 (24:30):
Wow, that just makes it more impressive.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, well, there you go, so things you did not know.
It does make it more impressive. Now, I haven't seen
his splits in terms of home and road, but it's
there's always a guy there. Does seem to always be
a guy like this, right, There always is a guy
who's like, wait, who has got how many? I don't know,
(24:57):
I thought, Jay Stu, as much as you've talked about it,
there's always usually as a like a rookie or a
young guy. I mean the Yankees. I remember Kevin Moss
back in the day. We've discussed this previously. What was
the name of the catcher with the Yankees, probably in
that two thousand and seventeen sort of still in the league,
(25:21):
but he was supposed to be the next and he
came up and had an unbelievable start to his career.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Gary Sanchez.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Gary Sanchez, that's right, Gary Sanchez. He had like twenty
six home runs in like fifty three games to start
his career.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Perfect crazy, perfect example catcher.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
And they and he wears down. Now you do have
the DH. And as you pointed out with the Dodgers,
you can't be a DH when you're the catch of
the Dodgers because Shoeo Tani's a DH with the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Correct. And the most home runs ever hit by a
catcher in a single season, well, Salvador Perez, I'm trying
to impress. I would have just said, but I'm trying
to impress Moni sal He had forty eight. But that's
very misleading because sal petis he played a lot of
(26:12):
first base and DH. So it's like technically he's the
catcher that has that record, but he he split time
playing other things and that and Rawley's been doing the
same thing. Rawley's got at least twenty games at DH.
That'll help him. Will Smith has to catch or he
doesn't play.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Something cool about being a catcher, right, I was a
catcher when I was when I was a kid, and
then as I when I got to high school, they
wanted me to play like second base and third base
and stuff, you know, like, oh you got good hands
as a catcher, but you're too little. I was really
little growing up. And not that I'm some gigantic dude now,
but back then, catchers were always like six two six
(26:52):
three six four, and I was I was nowhere near
that when I entered high school. But there's something really
cool to have in that gear and kind of walking
out doing your John Wayne walk out. You know, somebody
else catches the first couple of catches and warm ups,
then you get out, you got the mic, and then
you throw it coming down.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
You're like the you're you're, you're living, You're you have
a relationship with the picture. You know, you talk, you
could cool down, you know you, Yes, you have to
give them a little some words of wisdom, like, hey,
maybe just change this up so the yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Hey, we're good, we're good. We're good. We're good. Here,
we're good. Here hight breathe, breathe. But you have you
have relationships with everybody there. Right, It's a it fit
me because it's a talker's position. You talk to them,
You talk to posey hitters, you talk to your you
talk to your picture.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
You know, just track them.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Hey you got two two coming down?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Two but that's why there aren't many catchers in the
Hall of Fame. There aren't many productive hitting catchers in
the history of the game, because not only is the
the weather wearing you down at a tough position every
day where you're squatting thousands of times a day, and
then you have to have all this stuff in your head.
(28:02):
Most of your focus has to be on handling the rotation,
knowing each pitcher's strength, and knowing every hitter strength. Like,
there's so much going through the mind of a catcher.
It's shocking that there's ever a catcher that has a
productive offense. But that's what kind of makes this guy's
season amazing. Will Smith is having a great.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Season and Cal Rawly has fourteen homers at home eighteen
on the very good nice stat Yeah, nice good stat.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
How many games he played at home? How many games
he playing the rud.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I would say equal just a guess, just throwing that
out there, guessing.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Well, away he's at home, he's had one hundred and
forty at bats. Away, he's had one hundred and fifty five.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Okay, so you said fourteen more opportunities, but that's phenomenal.
It's yeah, basically even although at those numbers, he's probably
hitting the home run every fourteen or so at bats, right,
so that should be one more and it's at four more.
But yeah, the the the thick Seattle air.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Doesn't he also have the name that you would expect
to be like one of the lower level acts at
stage coach.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Cal Raley totally cal Raley. Cal Raley sings My nightmare
was her honeymoon. I don't know. Guys name Morgan, Morgan Wall,
Margan Wall.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
And cal Rawley opened for him.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah. Monster, you do you enjoy country music? I? I do,
but it's not that's a no.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
I I do, but I you know, it's not my
It's not what I'm running to.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
That's a no. It's okay to say it's not my jam,
but but I don't. For example, for example, Riley Green
is tomorrow night in Milwaukee. It's Summerfest. If anybody knows
anyth about Wisconsin, Summerfest is everything. Okay. When I say
Riley Green, are you like, do you know who that is?
Speaker 3 (30:02):
No?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
I assume it's a baseball player. Initially, okay, I thought
you were like, oh okay, I thought you was a
musical artist.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I was like no, no, no, no, no, cal Raley actually
plays tomorrow night in Milwaukee. Honestly, Riley Green could be
an SEC football player, you know, probably what probably quarterback, right, man,
you see Riley Green play for the Gators. I like that.
I like that kid. He can really throw. Now, Riley
Green is a super hot country musician. When I say
(30:31):
he is, he's a good looking man as well. But
I said hot, it's more a very popular yes. And
he's got like he's he's got he's known for. I
think he may have shaved it, but he had like
a he had a magnum p I mustache.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
I will listen to.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Okay, okay, mister Green. You know, cal Raley's opening.
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Speaker 1 (31:05):
Stuck Out lip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Big Ben's
kind of he's kind of figured out this podcast stuff. Right,
do lists talk about big names? Get yourself in the mix.
My guess is big Ben Roethlsberger wants to be on TV.
And here's how he's gonna here's how he's gonna do it.
I don't know whether his early career off field stuff
(31:27):
ends up keeping him from doing that. I don't know,
but he's on a podcast called Football and with Ben Roethlisberger,
he made this declaration.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
Well, I would take Aaron and his prime over Patrick
Now I think, I think, yeah, I think Aaron Rodgers
at his prime was one of the top few to
ever do it. And so with Patrick Mahomes his prime,
Patrick Mahomes is just just by entering out of his prime.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I think.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
That's a fascinating discussion. It's a fascinating discussion Aaron Rodgers
or Pat Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers in his prime over Pat Mahomes. Yeah,
I again, I don't have Here's what I've said about
Aaron Rodgers. There's boxes that you have to check, and
(32:22):
most guys are missing something right, Like if you want
to say Tom Brady, like Tom Brady was not athletics,
so if you could get to him at his feet,
so he didn't move the way Aaron moved, didn't move
the way air moved. Steve Young got hurt a lot.
(32:44):
I guess that's the You know, when Steve Young went
through a period of time early in his career, wasn't
very good, went to the USFL, you know, was a backup,
earned his way back in and then became a Hall
of It was amazing. And Steve Young, I feel like
probably gonna go down as one of the best quarterbacks
to never to be in that discussion when he played,
and never be in that discussion since Peyton Manning. Not
(33:05):
a great arm, nimble into pocket, obviously not out of
the pocket, unbelievable quarterback, not a great arm, made it
work anyway, played indoors or an altitude. Not a great arm.
So they all have something. Damn Reno completely immobile and
had to play in the shotgun a bunch because of
(33:25):
that mobility, and they never had a running game. But
part of the reason they never had a running game
was he couldn't be under center and also didn't win enough.
Now you could say the same thing about Rogers, but
there's a lot of NSC championship games, a couple of
Super Bowls. Was do you lose the Super Bowl? Definitely
won a Super Bowl sins, But if you want to
(33:50):
go through the boxes, you got to check, right, does
he have the arm strength yes, accuracy yes, mobility sure,
brain yes, leadership I think the answer is yes, I
would say the one thing that would be missing. And
here's where we all have blind spots, right, we all
have blind spots. I think Big Ben, by the way,
(34:12):
was elite, elite, elite, but sometimes you have a blind
spot for likability. And Aaron wasn't unlikable like Erin. If
you get to know him, great dude. A lot of
guys really like him. But it's not like he's close
with a lot of guys. It's not like there are
(34:33):
people trying to kill themselves to be Aaron's guy and
Aaron's supporter, whereas Mahomes and others they have this it's
almost like they're a politician where they just win. If
you sit down with him, you're like, oh my god,
are we best friends? He has that, but he also
can turn it off a lot quicker than they don't
(34:56):
turn it off. Let's welcome in Mark dominic. Of course,
he was a you got a manager of the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. He's worked everywhere in professionals football, ain't joined
just his weekly visit here on the Doug Gallic Show
on Fox Sports Radio, big Ben said, Prime Aaron Rodgers
over Prime Pat Mahomes, what do.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
You think, Oh, I don't think he's far away as
great as Patrick Mahomes is. I think because we've been
a little bit further removed from what we remember Aaron
Rodgers being that maybe we're not remembering prime Aaron Rodgers
has been saying, like, I mean I dealt with Baron
(35:33):
you know, a couple of times specifically in his career
that was GM when Aaron was going equipped not forty
touchdowns and having like five or six interceptions a season.
So it was painful. You know, I think I think
Ben's fair. I don't think it's a It's not like
some absurd statement. I look at it that way. You know,
there's a guy that Aaron when I was a GM
(35:54):
and dealing with him, he was completing sixty seven sixty
eight summer. I think that the kind of percentage is
going well over four thousand yards, and he was the
poster child for like touchdown to interception Raytiow. I mean,
he was the best. And so I don't think that's
a sarch statement. Is as great as you know, obviously
Patrick's have been.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is
a there is a factor though, and again, I wasn't
in the Packers' organization, and I think some of how
we view it now is how it ended, not how
it was during the during the meat of those years
where he had a lot better relationships I think with teammates.
(36:30):
But there is a certain likability factor that you have
to have at quarterback, is there not.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Yes, I think it's very I mean, I do think
it's important, but I don't think that the guys like
I don't remember guys in Green Bay, like you know,
the old school receivers are you know driver But also
you know, obviously Dante. No one never spoke ill of
Aaron I know, since I think the media didn't like
him or something like some people had to part. I'll
remember players like ever coming out and Saybody, this guy's
a jerk.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yeah, no, no, it's it's he wasn't unlikable. But I
don't know if they loved him. I don't know if
it was the same. I again could be wrong, and
a lot I think some of it is outsider to
the main years, and it changes over time. And of course,
you know when you bounce team to team here late
in your career, some of that stuff changed as well.
(37:16):
Mark Domini, our guest. You're on the Doug Outlet Show
on Fox Sports Radio. I'm intrigued by Kayleb Williams. You know,
he's Jason Stewart, who I know you talked to. He's
our producer here. I love the analogy that he uses.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
It.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
It's basically like the spouse or boyfriend that gets caught
cheating and is always having to gravel right. He's always
and because they got him on tape saying I want
to be a Viking, I don't want to play. It's
like he's over the top in the Oh my god,
this is the greatest thing ever. So where are you
(37:55):
on Caleb Williams on the likelihood of a more successful
second year in his career.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
I think you know and you remember, and we talked
about last year. I liked Caleb Williams, but I wasn't
the number one to Caleb Williams guy. I just felt
like he thought it was gonna be easy and things
were going to come naturally, and it was just gonna
be like I'm gonna walk to the NFL and own
this thing, and it's just not like that. That's that's
how this league works. It's certainly very hard to do that. However,
that all being said, I think the Bears have done
a tremendous job of improving that offensive line. I think
(38:25):
a lot of us kind of forget that Caleb Williams,
you know, did have a good season, except he's the
number one pick and so you're holding him to a
different standard, right. I think that that's the hard thing
for him when you kind of look at what is
expected out of him versus what he delivered, you know,
more touchdowns. Certainly, I think everybody would want to see
that or expect that from Caleb Williams, and I think
we'll see that this year again. Protections everything, and you know,
(38:47):
you want to see the biggest jump of any NFL
player from like year one to year two. Think of
Trevor Lawrence. He was if you want to compare a
first overall pick and how he did. Trevor Lawrence was
terrible then his first year. I mean he threw what
twelve touchdowns, eight seventeen or eighteen interceptions versus twenty and
six for Caleb Blames. So there was good things there.
It's just that Jayden Daniels was wow. And I think
(39:07):
that kind of hurt the look of Caleb. Hopefully he's
grown up through this. I think he will improve this year.
I still don't know if he's going to get it
and understand exactly what you're talking about. Aaron rodg is
how to become more of a genuine likable guy by
the things that come out of his mouth sometimes.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Steut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Dominic, long time in the NFL, most
notably a gentle manager with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,
so then you go to Minnesota, a team that they've
had back to back starting quarterbacks who have left on
back to back years. But they put up gar ganst
you in numbers, gark Gansuan numbers, and the thought is, man,
(39:46):
you got a former quarterback who's a play color. He
got skilled position guys everywhere. But now you have JJ
McCarthy who hasn't played a snap and he's played in
college with a highly conservative system. How do you think
they bring him up to speed in real time?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
I don't think it's going to be as hard as
I think people think. You know, thankfully, JJ did get
to play in one preseason game and got to throw
the ball around a little bit before. You know, obviously
the does the injury. The one thing even in the preseason,
in the one game he played, one thing that's really important.
He took zero sacks and that's a big deal for
a young quarterback. You know that that he's got the
awareness to know to get the ball out of his
(40:26):
hands and not take the negative play. And he did
a good job in that. And that was you know,
you can't really judge a lot off the preseason, but
at least can just shudge decision making in poise and
JJ showed that. And now with an offseason of you know,
being able to really dig into the book really to
understand what's expected to watch it from the field is tough.
But I think he's going to have a lot of
(40:48):
success because again, I think he's got the charisma it part,
but I also think he's got the mental acuity that
you're looking for at quarterback where he makes the right
decision with the football. Will there be some up and down,
of course, he's JJ McCarthy. He's going to be in
his quote unquote rookie season or his first year to
actually play. But I'm not surprised if Vik's handed them
the ball and said go get this because they had
(41:08):
the confidence to draft them more they did. And you know,
I think that they've seen a lot of him, probably
over the last couple of weeks, but also before the injury.
They were probably wowed by him by what he was doing,
you know, within the organization before he got banged up.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I love
the Patriots higher, I just do. But what does that
look like on the field considering the competitiveness of that division?
Speaker 5 (41:36):
Uh, you know, you know, I love Brabel, I like
I like the people within the front office. I like
the coaching staff that they've got together. I think they're
going to be good. The problem is the roster still
too far away for that division. They're still you know,
they're fighting I think for third place at best, even
though Brabel has done a great job with you know,
some teams that may not have had as much talent.
But I do think that it's a good team. But
(41:59):
they are at least one, if not two seasons away
from really being competitive with the even the Dolphins. And
I don't say that in a bad way of the
Miami Dolphins. I think if they can have to a
first season, they should be a playoff team, but certainly
they're not near where the Bills are right now. And
from just a pure talent standpoint, I think they're trying
to get there. They'll slowly get there, but the skill position,
the skill players just to me still aren't at the
(42:23):
level that we see other teams in that division that
they have, and that I think that's going to hold
him back.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah, probably will, probably will hold about what about the Chiefs.
You know, Mahomes has just figured out a way to
get it done, and you know, the last two Superols
they've been in, We're like, wow, this is the least
talented they're going to be. What have they done to
their talent base?
Speaker 5 (42:42):
Well, I think one thing that's big, and then I
don't think of people really, you know, it's it's been
a very tumultuous time for his career. But she writes
coming back is a big deal, like he was really
breaking out and the player that I think everybody in
Kansas hoped you'd be, and certainly within the front of.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
This as well.
Speaker 5 (43:01):
And now him coming back is going to be a
big bolst to that offense where you've got the guys
who can vertically. Hollywood Brown and Zavier Worrith they can
go vertical, but Rashie Rice can do everything underneath. That's
a huge deal. My big concern about the Chiefs and
I love I love the pick of Josh Simmons. I
think it was a steal for them to get him
at the bottom of the first round, but I still
just worry about like the you know, losing Joe Thoni,
(43:24):
you know, the right tackle spot. Juan Taylor hasn't been
really comfortable, so I get more worried there. They're a
physical football team. The only thing I think that they
wish they probably had is a little more speed on
the defensive side. But I think the biggest thing you
got to watch as a Chief fan, and I think
this is why I think they'll take a little step down,
is the cornerback room is not strong like it has
been before. I think Jalen Watson can have a good year,
but I think they're looking at the other corner opposite
(43:46):
of him with McDuffie probably inside of the nickel. That's
going to be spot that I think people are going
to really pin and an attack and we're the Kansas
city to give a hold up because they you know,
they've got power rushers, but they really don't have the
fastball rusher, which I think they're really really need.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, okay, Eagles win the super Bowl. Last time to
win the Super Bowl, lose your coordinators and they struggle.
This time, you lose your offensive coordinator. What's the Eagles
now trying to repeat? What does that that that team
look like? With Saquon back, you know, with so many
(44:21):
back and some of those young players coming of age.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Yeah, I think it's nice that Lane Johnson is going
to play and stay there. I think that's a big deal.
And again I always go to the offensive line first,
and I feel really good about where they sit. You know,
the Cam Jurgens, albeit a different player than obviously Kelsey,
certainly it was very productive in terms of their run
game and helping Saquon. The only thing you get worry
about is can they stay as healthy as they were?
Like Ken, Saquon stay as healthy as he was. You
(44:45):
wonder about that. Defensively, I think you know, besides Quinn
and Mitchell and Cooper Jeans who came in and had
just great years, they've got other players on this team
that I think are really going to step up and
step through this year. Like I'm looking at guys like
Kylie Ringo, the corner that they drafted a couple year ago.
I think he's a starting corner in the National Football
I think he's a really good one. I think Jaylex
Hunt is a guy that you know, I think is
(45:06):
going to be in a very very good pass rusher
that by middle of the season, Doug, We're gonna be
talking about, like the Eagles, like who are these guys
that weren't starting last year that suddenly start this year.
So I think they got a lot of depth from
the defensive side, which is going to be the really
exciting spot for them. So I look at that, so
I think defensively they're going to be fine. I just
think offensively, I hope they can stay healthy. But I
just feel like when you when you look at Devonte
(45:26):
Smith or you see a sa Quon Barkley, no one
wishes any injuries. I just don't think they're gonna be
as fortunate to have them as many weeks as they
did last year.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I think that's I think that's completely and utterly fair.
When you're in the league, like when you're in Tampa,
there are times you know before they got the Buccaneers
that I know, this is after you gets Tom Brady.
There's lots of years which nobody really pays attention to you.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Within
for organizations? Not not for the ownership, right, maybe not
(45:57):
for making money, but in terms of trying to operate
on a daily basis? Is it better because like we
never talk about Seattle, We don't, I mean very rarely.
You know, they got Donold, they got a new coach.
We don't talk about Seattle. Jacksonville maybe a little bit
just because Trevor Lawrence seemingly has been disappointing at some point,
like we expected. But you know, how often do we
(46:19):
talk about New Orleans? How often do we talk even
about Houston has been a playoff team? Past two years?
You've operated in the times that they're paying attention in
times they don't. What's a better way to operate when
you're a general manager?
Speaker 5 (46:31):
Well, I you know, shout out to Jason light getting
his extension. He has you know, he had to you know,
kind of walk through some tough years early on. But
you know what they've done in Tampa no one's talking about, right,
I mean they've made the playoffs. What five years in
a row? No one's ever done that, right or the
last what is it? They're the only NFC team to
(46:52):
make the playoffs five years in a row. That's a
heck of a statement. And you don't even think about it.
When you think about Tampa Bay, you're like, Okay, they're good.
But but I think you appreciate being like that. I mean,
maybe you feel in the moment, Doug when I was
at GM in Tampa, but even when I was there
with you know, coach Dungee and Coach Cruden and we
were having ups and downs, are really great seasons, obviously,
you never really felt like, you know, you're always like, well,
(47:13):
it's the Rodney Dangerfields kind of effected.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
You're like respect exactly.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
And so you feel that sometimes. But at the same point,
it's not bad to be in a bubble where you're
not the Jets, you're not the Eagles, you're not this
front page like what's wrong with you all the time,
even though you feel like that when you're the gentleman
of that football team. So John Schneider in Seattle, he
certainly feels the local stuff, but maybe the you know,
the the national stuff isn't quite the same. I think
it's good. I think it's helpful, even though sometimes again
(47:39):
you don't get to respect. I think it's autually helps
you be able to, you know, kind of work through
like the tough spots without feeling like everything there's every
little decision is made is being analyzed, whether you're the
Chicago Bears or the New York Giants or Jets.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
Uh listen, uh, Mark, I got to ask you. I mean,
the talk early in the week was about Tyrese Haliburton
tearing his achilles tendon, and well, it's had, you know,
three stars to hear their achilles tendon in the playoffs.
I thought a lot of guys showed their limited focus
in that this has been happening in the NFL now right.
(48:14):
I mean, you have three quarterbacks Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,
and Sean Watson touring their achilles tendant, granted all in
their thirties, but still like we hadn't had that volume.
And then there are younger players tearing their achilles tendon.
Why why do you think it is? Well, just venture
fairly educated guess on why this is kind of this
injury which was very rare before has become a little
(48:36):
bit more commonplace.
Speaker 5 (48:38):
Well, part of it, I would say, quarterback wide, it's
probably not. I don't think it's like, well, the quarterbacks
are overtraining and therefore there's I think it's because the
athletes are just for whatever however it's happening. Athletes are faster, bigger, stronger,
and so you know, just an extra little torque when
you get tackled the excellttle twister and you get knocked around,
is putting strain on something because they're playing at such
(48:59):
a highlight level and a high speed. Now, I think
that that's what happens. I think the NBA is a
little bit that way in terms of like how you know,
it's not the physical game we grew up watching. I
grew up watching. It's it's a finets and run and
gun kind of a thing, and so you know, it's
just a strain on that pendon. But I think in
the football I think it's more because of you know,
the speed and the strength and power that we're seeing
(49:21):
from these young players, of all these players and what
they're doing. Like I was just at the NFL Sacks
sum in Vegas. Literally just got home a couple hours ago,
but spent you know, two days out there in Las
Vegas with Max Crosby and Von Miller and Cam Jordan
and they're all working with you know, there was what
forty fifty young you know, defensive lineman whether you're defensive
(49:42):
tackle or a defensive end that are there and they're
just breaking down film and talking about how they do that,
How does Blong do this, how does Cam do that?
And then talking to the young guys about what have
you done? You know, where are you going with your body?
What are you doing? It's amazing, it's awesome, and you
think that that stuff never happened, and it's you know,
here are the guys. Everybody thinks like, well, these players
are after the veteran mining camps, they go home and
now they're just kind of relaxing until they get to
(50:03):
you know, until they get the training camp. No, the
biggest guys there are forty guys out there that were
working out in the UNLV's build, working on their pass
rust then coming back and watching film from the elites
of best and getting coaching tips. That's where I think
why we see maybe more injuries because these guys are
training at a crazy level, trying to be the best
they can be.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
That's Mark Dominic. What's he know, He's only spent his
entire professional life in the Nation Football League. Kind of
to spend some time with us. Mark, thanks so much
for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (50:30):
Thanks, Doug, Enjoy the weekend, buddy,
Host
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