July 3, 2025 • 44 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains how he thinks DeAndre Ayton fits in with the Lakers and how the team has seemingly moved on from Lebron and his drama.
Doug welcomes former All-Star and three-time World Series champ Curt Schilling onto the show to talk about Clayton Kershaw and the state of pitching in Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man, I mean in the uh in the days.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That matchup in terms of time of year, like you,
like you can only help for a perfect perfect day.
I don't know where you are, but you're in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Wow,
what a day. What an absolute chamber of commerce type
of day. And we're so happy to have you in
(00:56):
yourd Bonci Bolanos, she's with us throughout the show. Of course,
you got our guy Dan Byer who's doing Bounce around
doing all these other shows. He'll be hosting for me tomorrow.
I'll be hosting the Hurt. You got Jason Stewart and
you got Big Apple Iowa Sam on the show. Let's
just go with the biggest news of the day. Yeah,
(01:18):
it's sort of slow news time, but again, I think
this is really interesting, right, the Lakers have signed DeAndre Ayton,
and I think it's pretty obvious what's taking place. You
heard Brian Windhorst earlier today on ESPN saying, look, I
(01:43):
started with the never and now it's Lebron James is
in an expiring contract. An expiring contract is something that's
very valuable to people in the trade market. And he's like,
I'm not gonna say never. Now is if it's ever
gonna happen like this the year, this is the window,
this is the time, and I don't know. The whole
(02:05):
thing strikes me as super odd. Obviously, some of my
comments earlier in the week went a little bit viral,
and now you see what the Lakers are doing in
acquiring DeAndre Ayton. They need a big guy. Deandreton is
very good off pick and roll. Now, I don't actually
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think he fits their their needs other than the fact
he is big. He can't score, he's not a great
rim protector't he's not a lob guy at the rim.
It doesn't mean he's not effective. But he also has
had his troubles defensively and in the playoffs, and some
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attitude motivational things, but they're trying to find the right
fit for Luka Doncik, Luka Doncik. And this is a
little bit like why Cam Newton couldn't still be in
the NFL. This is a lot like why Alan Iverson
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really really struggled when he went to the the Denver
Nuggets to play with Carmelo Anthony. You know, when you're
so used to being the guy for so long, when
you're not.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You don't know what to you. Hear yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, and remember you go back the last couple of years,
and Lebron James really smart in that he would let
Austin Reeves and others like go and try and get
buckets in different times.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Which he could he could rest. He seemed okay with that.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He doesn't seem okay with this because in order to
make Luca successful, Luca's got to have the ball a
ton and he's got to determine everything. And the only
the only conclusion you can come to is that Lebron
was cool with other guys taking shots, with other guys
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making plays if it was based upon a plan that
he had, okayed. Now it's nobody goes to him and
asks him, and they're just doing things on their own and.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's not okay with it. He's not okay with it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I just it's a fascinating thing to watch where if
you really wanted to play somewhere else and you really
want to win a championship, you did not have to
pick up your player option. And you can tell me
all you want about, Wow, Lebron James should never play
for less money. Hey, you are what the market will bear.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
If you don't think Lebron James could have gotten fifty
three million dollars out in the olden market, then the
league is telling you what I'm telling you, which is
he's not a top ten, top fifteen, top twenty player.
I'm not saying it. The league is, and frankly Lebron
and Rich Paul is and damn sure the LA Lakers are.
(05:15):
And I think the thing about it that I can
and maybe you can understand, Okay, if you have been
through a long term relationship, you don't have to be married, Okay,
you can cohabitate with somebody. Some people have kids with
people that they don't marry. Maybe it's just a long
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term boyfriend girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And then.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And then there's ultimately a breakup. Right, This is my
personal belief, and some of it comes through time in therapy.
Some some of it comes through just having some perspective,
stepping away, realizing what went right, what went wrong. We
hold there's little things that we hold against even people
(06:03):
we care about, people we love, and the time we
dismiss it and we're like, ah, it's part of what
makes them them. But then when the relationship sours, it's
like a combination of all of those things have caused
us to not have the same feelings about each other.
(06:25):
And all of those bad times seem to pop back
into some people's.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Memories and they're like, ah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Again, I'll give you the Lakers for Lebron. He's sitting
there going, hey man, I want you a title. Hey man,
I set the all time scoring mark. Place is full.
I'm still getting buckets and winning games with a myriad
of coaches. You know, we don't spend a ton of
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money on a bunch of other stuff the way that
even the Clippers do. We don't have a brand new arena,
we don't have We have a nice practice, but it's
not like state of the art. It's not like you
guys go crazy for things. And you know, our teams
are competitive when I've been healthy, and I was the
one who turned Anthony Davis into a championship player. Was
previously Anthony Davis always breaking down. You know, Lebron in
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his mind, he's like, I'm Lebron James, I am the system.
When you're the Lakers, you sit there and go, well, okay,
you've gotten hurt five out of the seven years and
haven't finished the season. There was the time in which
you showed up drunk to a game with a goblet
of wine sitting on the bench, and you kind of
(07:37):
embarrassed yourself and it was really awkward. Right, we've changed
out coaches because you tune them out. Remember the time
which we were going to go get tomar DeRozan. Yeah,
you were the one that said you wanted Russell Westbrook instead,
and we had to overpay to get Russell Westbrook, and
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that that relationship ended in terms of quality relationship, Like
two months in the season, you were done with him.
Remember the time in which you made us draft Bronnie
James and then made us say all these nice things
about Bronnie James, and then we turned our G League
team into like an AAU team just made for Bronni
to take all the shots and make all the plays.
(08:20):
Then we played him on the Big Club when there's
no reason he should been playing on the Big Club.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
In and of itself, like, ah, you let guys get
it's Lebron. But then when Lebron no longer wants to
participate because the team is no longer crafted with him
at the top of the org chart, now all those
other things come back into play, all those other little
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things that you hold against Lebron James, which you know
again people in the organization, I know a lot of
people that they were staunched defenders of Lebron and still
are on some level. As you have no idea. This
guy practices hard. This guy is precise with what he
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puts in his body. You know the guys who are
his guys. He leads and he gets him in the
gym and he works out, and you know, he really
is about the right things. He wants to study film,
he wants to know the answers to the questions before
they appear on the nightly game test. But now you
talk to those same people and they're like, dude, he
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only wants to work out by himself. You know, he
has this small circle that's getting smaller. No one can
say anything bad about Bronnie, can't treat him like he's
a regular rookie in the NBA. He wants his guys.
You trade away Anthony Davis, and he freaks out his
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management team constantly trying to control things.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Feels headed for divorce. It does, It does. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The important thing about being headed for divorce in a
basketball sense is this. It doesn't mean they won't put
a statue up front. They've done it with Shaq. And
if you remember how Shaq's career as a Laker ended,
it was not well. You know, he's yelling at Jerry
Buss while running down the court that he won a
new contract, and then they traded him. I mean, Shaq
went and played for the Celtics, which to me is
(10:27):
sacrilege if you're a Laker, if you're a tried and
true Laker. But they acquiesced and Shaq still historic Laker.
Three championships. Put a statue out in front. It doesn't
mean there won't be a statue in lebron It doesn't
mean they won't hang his number up in the rafters.
Why wouldn't they. But yeah, there's going to be a
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period of like five years where it's not great between
le Bron and the Lakers. After what happens in a divorce,
and that divorce may happen before the season starts, it
may happen mid season, it may not happen to after
the season.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, But this is a.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Fascinating end to a a relationship, which is it's like
anybody it's their third marriage, right, Lakers.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
We've had a.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Bunch of superstars come here before, two mixed results. But
once you get here, you want to become a Laker.
If you stay here for seven years. This will be
his eighth season. JAYC, what's your read on the Lakers.
You're a lifelong Southern Californian and what's been taking place
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here over the last month?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
No, I you know, I was a child of the
eighties and I grew up with Showtime. I was an
avid fan and just being in the business, my loyalty
towards the Lakers over the years has kind of waned
a little bit, but I still obviously follow with very closely,
and I am very interested in how Lebron James has
(12:06):
completely refused to connect with Laker fans. It's it's a
merely transactional relationship. You get me, Lebron James, I'm famous,
you'll be more relevant, you might win a ring, and
you can come and pay to see me. But I'm
not going to try to make any emotional connection with you.
(12:26):
And he's brazen about it. Almost every decision that comes
out of Lebron's camp is about Lebron and his brand.
I don't I don't know if I've ever even heard
him once say that I love Laker fans or I
love playing in front of these passionate fans. It's like
he goes out of his way to not embrace it.
So like this week, this last decision, this most recent
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decision is just confirms that feeling that this is all
about what Lebron wants as opposed to what's good for
the Lakers and their passionate fan base.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
This is the best of the Doun Dot Leap Show
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Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. And coming
off a night where Clayton Kershaw has his three thousandth strikeout,
who better to give us some context than a guy who,
I mean elite, elite in terms of all sports clutch pitchers,
clutch players in the history sport. Kurt Schilling joins US
(13:29):
World Series champion. He joins US now on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Kurt three thousand strikeouts
in a seventeen year story career in which he's been
a part of two World Series championships. What does the
three thousand strikeouts signify to you? Watching Clayton Kershaw work
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last night?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
You know what at First Bowls Hall of Fame Human
Beings Clayton is. You know, I remember a god. I
can't remember like much of it, but I remember him
when when the talk about him coming up, and because
it was right our career passed, didn't really cross, but
(14:11):
he was ads advertised. He did some stuff for a
period of time that you look for in greatness, and
he continued, I mean his postseason struggles aside. He's your
first Boult Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, but it's interesting, it's unique, right, it wasn't You weren't.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
A bad pitcher in the regular season. You were very good.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He was doumb in the regular season, but there were
struggles in the postseason. You're most known for your postseason success. Okay,
So what's the reality to how fair is that because
a Clayton Kershaw defender will say, well, limited, limited sample size,
although he's been in a bunch and they'll say it
was later innings and he wore down because he pitched
so much in the regular season. What's the reality to it?
(14:54):
As somebody who's who's kind of the opposite no more
for the postseason of the regular season.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Well, you know what I don't. You're either good or
not in October. There is no in between, and it's
as much a mindset as anything. You know, from a
workload perspect you could come up with a hundred excuses
as to why someone doesn't succeed in October, and there's
probably truth the ninety of them in some semonees or
some sense. Some guys just aren't built for October. And
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you know, he played to win the ring, so it
would I mean, that was why I think most of
us played. He's got two you know, he just hasn't
had his October moments. But I don't think it takes
away from a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I here's something interesting. I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Coming into last night, he had the exact same number
of wins as you had. And I say that because
you know again, yeah, yeah to sixteen to sixties. Yeah,
it feels like an answer, I know. But will we
ever have another three hundred game winner?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
No, not right now, not right now. You know, I've
been doing some work pre draft work, and you know,
I'm thinking about stepping back into the game on the
pitching side of things, because pitching in the big leagues,
pitching across Baseball and amateur for face broken, is horribly
broken and it needs to be fixed. There needs to
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be I say this term loosely, but there needs to
be a moneyball sort of renaissance with pitching. The hunt
for velocity has destroyed the art and and and that's
I mean, that's why you're seeing the massive increase in
arm injuries and all the things to go with that,
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and and organizations. I mean, listen, I did. I did
some work on this draft, and I'm not going to
name names because these kids are coming up to one
of the most special days in their lives. But if
I'm a major league team, there are two or three,
at least two guys I wouldn't touch with your first
round pick, and they're going to go in the first round,
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one of them is probably going to go very high,
and they're it's just not physically possible for these guys
to be healthy five six years from now. I mean
it's just if you look down the sport, you go
back and watch video and history, guys that throw like
these guys throw don't last. They never have and they
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never will. And it's not their fault. But pitching is
broken in baseball right now. And you know that's why
your schoolbls stand out yond that's why Jacob de Gram
was set to be maybe the best pitcher that ever
lived if he hadn't gotten hurt. He was Greg Maddix
with at ninety eight, right, I mean, that's Pedro at
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ninety eight. I mean it just but again, it's broken.
It's horribly broken. And the clinics that are teaching these
guys to throw hard at the cost of being a
pitcher is one of the big, big reasons.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The podcast is called The Complete Game. You need to
watch it on YouTube. That's probably the easiest way to
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our guest, of course, that's his podcast. He join us
now on the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
On Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
We talked about young pictures, and last night I'm watching
Jacob Misrowski, who, of course is the rookie with the Brewers,
who before last night hadn't been touched right, and then
he had just one inning where infield hit could have
been a potential out, could have got him out of
the inning. He doesn't give up a home run and
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then a back to back. Okay, so you break this
stuff down. His velo is a little down last night.
Is miss Rowski? Is he a guy here to stay
or is he a guy that I don't think that lasts.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I like him better than I like a lot of
young guys. A couple episodes ago I talked about him.
There's a much more polished delivery than a lot of
these other guys I'm talking about, especially for his age.
The problem is he's not ready for the big leagues.
I don't care about this stuff. He hasn't back and
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you know, I know I sound artaic and I sound
like the old guy. Get off my long, guy. But
back in the day, you went through the minor league
by mastering the level you were at and moving on. Sure, right,
and each level is a little bit more effort. Each
level is a little bit mentally and physically harder, and
there's a gradual process to getting to the big leagues.
(19:39):
And I use my personal analogy. When I got to
the big leagus, I made my debut, had a decent start,
went seven innings, and then I got my ass handed
to me for three three games and I drove home
that winter. And the thing I tell everybody it was
a similar moment in my career because I drove from
Baltimore to Phoenix, Arizona, and during the drive if I
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had an epiphany and it was, Hey, you know what,
I'm not ready, but I can do this. And that
came from having five to six seven hundred innings in
the minor leagues I threw. I had a couple two
hundred inning seasons in the minor league. I threw eight
or nine complete games in a couple different minor league seasons.
I knew how to pitch in the eighth inning and
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the ninth inning and with runners in scoring position. Those
are all the things you learned. I learned how to
pitch inside in the minor league. None of that. So
what I would basically I am saying is I had
the toolbox. When I got to the big leagues, I
just figure out how. I had to figure out how
to use the tools. These guys get the big league,
they don't have the toolbox. And I used a guy
like Chase Dollander in Colorado. These guys are coming up
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with fifteen Triple A innings and you know, one hundred
and sixteen minor league innings spread out over two and
a half seasons. There's this enormous rush to get these
guys to the big leagues. And I don't understand it.
Right call around the Rockies. We all know what kind
of season they're having, right, I mean, it's it's misery.
What is Chase Dollander learning in the big leagues right now?
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Because we're alpha guys, right, I mean we're all alpha athletes.
We've always been the best at what we did where
we were. You get to the big leagues, everybody's as
good or better than you. You're not in the big
leagues as a young pitcher thinking I'm going to take
this thirt and I'm going to try and learn how
to do this. You're taking the ball going I gotta
win and there's no development there. And I said this,
(21:32):
I went back and I looked, and this is how
I know it's it's sport wide. I went back and
looked at a couple guys in junior colleges. Were these
guys were all first round picks. I looked at him
in junior college, I looked at him in college. I
looked at him the big leagues, and we're the exact
same pitcher at twenty three to twenty four in the
big leagues that they were in junior college. Physically, mechanically,
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people should be fired for that. But the chase for
velocity and the money seems to create a sense of
haste in promoting it shouldn't exist. Would you rather have
a guy come up at twenty two and have his
Tommy John, because there are most of these guys are
on their way to Tommy John or some shoulder problem
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because of their deliveries. But would you rather have that
guy at twenty two who knows nothing about the big leagues,
bounce around for three, four five years and then become
a free agent when he starts to learn how to
pitch in the big leagues, Or would you rather have
him at twenty three twenty four as polished as he
could be and then learn that way. You know, the
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process is so broken right now, and teams are losing
and these four is losing billions of dollars in I
our time. The picture is because of the approach.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's it's really really interesting stuff. And yeah, they want
also get the big league getings quicker to arbitration right,
and the quick contract.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
But you know what the problem is. The only way
a kid could be the same pitcher he was in
junior college is if you have a minor league system
of coaches afraid to coach. Right, some of these guys
coming to their first day in rookie ball, you would
take them to the bullpen and okay, listen, this isn't
gonna work. You you have the foundation. But here's what
we need to fix. The problem is that coaches don't
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want to be the guy that broke the first round pick. Right,
you're talking about five six eight, what was schemes? Nine
million dollars. No one's gonna no one's gonna want to
be the guy that that maybe broke him or changed
him because he throws really hard, and you can't do that.
You have to be hands on with these young men
and you have to make them understand. Listen, these guys
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are getting paid. Think about this. These guys are getting
paid thirty million dollars a year to throw one hundred
and seventy five innings. Are you kidding me? One hundred
and seventy five innings was like mid August total, and
now it's not. I mean thirty five starts a year,
seven innings. That starts two hundred and forty five innings.
When was the last time anybody even sniffed that?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I probably never again. So okay, so let me let
me ask you this. Let me get to a couple
of other things. Kurt Schilling joining us. The Complete Game
is the podcast download wherever you're download podcast. Of course
you can watch it on YouTube as well. Let's get
to the Dodgers. Jason Stewart is my producer. The Dodgers
drive him crazy, not because he doesn't think they're talented,
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but because it's like they so badly want to be
able to do it without a a a closer, like
a designated closer, like here's our guy, right. They want
the new era of baseball. It did work last year?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Are you a believer it doesn't work? Why it's never worked?
Because sabermetricians can't understand that getting the last three outs
in the of the game are the hardest three outs
of the game to get. Yeah, just are you can
like that, dislike that, you can be a fan of say,
oh it's different. It's different. And the analogy I've always
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used is October baseball is like pitching the ninth inning
with the one run lead. Every inning, every hitter in
the ninth inning of a close game is approaching me
at that differently. They just do right. And in October,
every single hitter, every single at bat, the hitters at
the plate approaching it like a nine thing. At bat,
they're different. Out, I get the hole, bring my guy
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in in the highest leverage situation in the seventh inning
because they're second and third and I need two punch
outs and whatever. But probably the biggest culprit in the
new phase of pitching our relievers. These guys are just
coming and thrown as hard as they want. And if
you doubt what I'm saying, just watch an inning. Watch
the catcher's glove on fastballs and the fact that you
almost have to be Jerry Rice to catch some of
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these fastballs, as opposed to being a big league catcher.
Guys set up down and in the way to throw
the ball up and away. Guy sits up down in
a way, throws the ball in middle middle guy swings
and misses. There, it says, great pitch. It's just there's
metrics that aren't being measured, and they're they're meaningful from
a standpoint of pitching. But getting the last three I remember,
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if you remember way back, the Red Sox tried that
whole bullpen by committee approach in the early two thousands
and failed miserably at it. It's just different. The human
psyche is different. And I'm on the mound in the
ninth inning. Hell, as a starter. When I was on
the mound in the ninth inning, I knew those three
outs were different than the first twenty four I've gotten
as a reliever. That's your whole life. Well, think about this.
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If it was not that different, then there would be
a lot of Trevor Hopkins and Mariano Rivera's with six
hundred career stage right. Yeah, But there's not, and there
won't be there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
There is not. Kurt, you're the best man.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It's not just because you have credibility in your opinion,
but you also do the work to the research and
getting us ready for the upcoming MLB Draft. This is
awesome stuff. Can't wait talk with you next week again.
Allry body, It's the complete game, Kurt Chilling. Download it
and check it out on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Thanks Kurt.
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You're getting ready for the fourth of July. You know
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Speaker 3 (27:41):
How are you doing that? That's actually pretty convincing.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I'm I have like, well, no, I h I don't
know Sam, I know you're older than you Like Sam
has a very youthful vibe. When Sam is a grandpa,
he'll be like the most beloved grandpa ever won because
like a grandpa, he has that Cliff Claven knows a
little bit about a lot of things. But two he
plays younger than he is, right, plays younger than he is,
(28:08):
like honestly, like Sam has the spirit of like twenty
five twenty six year old dude and he's in his thirties.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Other people say I'm like the spirit of a seventy
five year old man. So I'm kind of like a
mix of all.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The dude, that's the Cliff Claven thing and when you
know these these interesting facts whatever. But I did you
police Academy movies? Did you ever watch any of them?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
You know?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
I gotta be honest, I've seen a little clips of them,
but I've not watched him front to back, and there's like,
what nine of them or something?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, I mean, really everybody else stopped? Was it citizens
on patrol? Was that the last time that was a
police Academy three or four?
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Jay stew No, I do so the last time Steve
Gutenberg got like a CD Sisberg.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Was Yes, that's that's exactly It's exactly it, right. But again,
part of it was there was a guy Michael Winslow,
and Michael Winslow had a little bit of a run there, right,
and he was running. He did all the sounds, which
I don't know what what is that? What is that called?
That's not called panamime?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Is it? Jase, don any idea what that's called.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Beatboxer, noise maker, beat boxer.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No, but he can also do the like the.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
A Man of ten thousand sound effects. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
I think Covino and Rich actually interviewed him once and
he just started doing all those sound effects and they
were like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
This is a little weird but cool.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Right, So if you grew up in that era, you
had a special affinity for it and you did your
own to various different As you guys know, there are
voices I do which I don't think you can do
over radio because even if they're not intended to be offensive,
they could be offensive.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So so you know, I got I could do it.
Lou ho no, but you could be upsetting. Oh when
I do alu ho.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But I all go have a little bit of Michael
Winszow and me where I can.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
I hope tomorrow we just hear the uh the dug
no no no no no no no no no. I
hope tomorrow we hear the Doug Gottlieb centric FSR promo
where it's just you going America boom.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
That's that's actually pretty good. You know what it's at
the speak of a Boob. It's at Thursday. So Jay
Stu invented something we called don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Say it, Jay Stu, say it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Take it from here on this date, on this date
in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now, think about it.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
We are exiting the Notts and we're entering very he
calls them the notts. They're called the ots. And think
of garlic knots. I call him the knots.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
It makes it different than the very farm the thoughts.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, think about what you were doing. You want talk
about old souls. That's Jay Stu being an old soul. Yeah,
also kind of being a history buff because back in eight,
which is nineteen oh eight, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
No, I remember that year. Well, Teddy Roosevelt was exiting
the White House? Uh, was a William Taft? Was he
the next president?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Then Sam William Howard Taft? Uh look into that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
And then so think about what you were doing in
twenty ten. Just think of funny ten.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We were coming out of the we're starting to recover
from the housing crisis, right, yeah, in the midterms.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
And don't get me started on Bayner taking over the Congress.
But anyway, John Bayner, who cried a lot, but he
was John Baynor. He just had these tears. He's always
just very emotional, loved smoking cigarettes, Shane smoking very emotional
and he had his face look like a catcher's met
crying and.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Basically it catches me because he smoked all those heaters.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yes, this year, this date, what is it, the third
of July twenty ten, something incredible happened these Serena Williams
was winning her fourth Wimbledon, count them four Wimbledon titles.
I don't know how much she finished up with. Maybe
Aalancey could do her homework.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
On that one.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Con I be the guy? Can I be that guy?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Since we've talked about this tournament a lot recently, it
is Wimbledon, there's a Dan out of ta.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I just want to be that. I'll be that guy.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's not Wimbledon, Nope, Fortnite.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
It's a Fortnite. You gotta wear white, you know what?
Since we're talking about kind of a lower level sports,
a niche sports. The Olympics were that year Olympics, and
you probably remember the name Sean White. That was twenty
ten in London. You probably remember the name oh Landon
(33:02):
Donovan was in the World Cup and he scored a
goal for USA.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
By the way, By the way, did you guys watch
the Gold Cup last night? No? He didn't. Oh you
were at the game?
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, Landon Donovan and look, as a guy who's
folliclely challenged on some level, I understand, I feel it,
but yeah, I don't know, well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
He was dealt a tough hand.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Tough hand.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, and because he's got the ball, he's got obviously
the bald in the middle, but it's like the hair
on the side. But do you go do you just
quit before it before it's called fire yet, before it
quits on you, because it's quit on him.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Tough one. So again I have I understand, I understand.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
So those were the lower tier sports of the year.
We got the Olympics, we got the World Cup. Exciting
your twenty ten and Wimbledon. Monsey, what do you remember
most about twenty ten? What were you.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Getting into college? Get in college? In college?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
But that was the year that Blake Griffin actually played
for the Clippers because he was drafted in twenty nineteen,
but he got hurt and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Play the entire season twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh, twenty sorry, twenty on nine, Yes, sorry, sorry, sorry,
and such.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
So twenty ten was, you know, the beginning of the
Clippers being cool?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Honestly, all things to Blay Griffin.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
She's not wrong, right, it's the beginning of the of
us being cool.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
She's not She's not lob city, She's not wrong. Twenty ten.
In college basketball, Oh the dookies.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
Let me tell you, let me tell you they had
John Shia. John Shaya helped take the Dukies to a
national title. But that NCAA title is more known for
a missed shot than any of the main shots, right,
Duke be Butler, But Gordon Hayward heaving up a mid
court shot somehow is the one that draws people interest
(35:01):
more than all the shots that Duke made anyway. Twenty
ten the Duke Giso. It's also the Capital A won
the national championship.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Sam, what was Iowa football doing in twenty times? Let's
go back to let's actually go back. So we were
talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Iowa football plays like it's the US.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
They actually had a lot expected of them that year,
and they were an underwhelming eight and five, I believe.
But we were talking about pitchers. We would take like
to win a game in baseball all time. So you
go back to twenty ten, it was the San Francisco Giants,
first of three World Series titles in five years, and
they had that deep stable of pitchers, Tim Linscum, Matt
(35:44):
mad Bum, probably other studs.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Never forgetting Zito. Maybe Verry Zito was on that team,
I think.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
And so you uh that that was the beginning of
sort of the Giants little mini dynasty there, winning three
out of five twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I believe ei was that right? You're right?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
In a good year, Aaron Rodgers got his one and
only title. It was the twenty ten season. Now, I
know we get confused here. Twenty ten season was the
year of Aaron Rodgers. You got brought the Packers another title.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
You know what's crazy about about that? But bringing up
Aaron Rodgers in twenty ten? Do you know what I
played golf with this morning?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, Mark Murphy, who used the perfect word to describe
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Do you remember what the word was?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Uh? Complicated?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Complicated Squidly We talked for about three three holes about
the word complicated.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
What a great word, perfect word.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Because complicated has so many negative characteristics. But it's not
actually a negative word. It's a lot like mediocre mediocre
right where to anybody mediocre be like oh that bad
hots mediocre?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Like, no, mediocre is average, it's in the middle.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
I would describe Rogers as complex because it's complicated a
little more negative. I think complex is like he needs
to be understood. You need to take him in over
a fifteen year period and understand all the different moves
he's made and things he said. But back in back
when he won that Super Bowl, he was like mister popular.
(37:16):
I mean he was in commercials. Then we're like, man,
this guy is.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
A It was the discount double check.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, he did a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
By the way, complicated is consisting of many interconnecting parts
or elements.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Intricate.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, that's from probably many different confusing aspects.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, that's that sums him up. That does some of
them up. I will say this that was complicated.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Words evolve, and especially in our lexicon, so like mediocre
has become below average, yeah, just like literally has become figuratively, Uh,
what what word did you use last week? Theory? Theory
used to be like a scientific proven thing, but now
it's like conspiracy theory. Anyways, I saw an interview with
(37:59):
Aaron Rodgers twenty ten. It was the strangest thing, and
he was he took his headphones off and they were like,
what are you listening to right now? This was a surprise.
It was kind of a ballad, but it was one
of the songs of the year.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yes, I was on a plane sitting next dam once.
What's his name?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Well, this is train train right, yeah, so sister.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, what's the leads here? Train's name?
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Mmmm?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Pat Monaghan?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is it really?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, we were.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
He came up on He came up on Coveno and
Rich because we were talking about Drops of Jupiter, the
song Drops of Jupiter being about his mother passing away,
very heartfelt.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So what about him, Doug.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
He was just he was on a plane and I was.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I just remember that he had like a picture of
himself singing and.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I don't know, I don't did. It was weird to me.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
He looks like a guy who would just be reeking
of uh perfume cologne.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, colone, Yeah, he did. He had the It was
it was he definitely was. It was. I was sitting
in first classes back then. I was working for CBS Humble, Hey, whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
So and it's on a cross country flight from New
York to Los Angeles, and it was almost like a
red eye flight, you know, like red eye flights. I
don't know what you guys, I fly a lot of
red Eyes. Like the whole thing is be as comfortable
as possible. And I just remember like he had like
those rockstar boots on, which like looks like they could
be motorcycle boots, but he definitely never ridden a motorcycle,
(39:41):
and it made they made a lot of noise, and
they also make you look taller because I don't think
he was the biggest fella in the world.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
And but the is like his hair was like peak
rock star hair.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
Oh yeah, so he's so he's actually like six foot
seven when you add the boots and the hair and yeah,
I know you're talking about sort of those like but
black commando boots just.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Like yes, and he didn't have like long hair. It
was it was like, well is it coughed? Is waffed?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right, But it was like he legit had spent some
time or had somebody do his hair, like dude, runner
red eye. Everybody's gonna look so miserable and ugly in
like four hours, like who cares. But he definitely had
the hey man, I'm the lead singer of Train, don't
believe me. It's on my phone sort of thing going.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Boom when he saw you. Was he like, hey, Doug gottlb,
what should take on? Jim Calhoun, I want it now? No,
I definitely think that happened.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
That went down, okay, Dug Gottleibu.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
So that was a that was a big song in
the year.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
But actually the number one song of twenty ten would
be controversial, controversial by today's standards. It was Kesha's TikTok
and it started with a h an intro that she
has since re record. Did Let's give it a listen?
All right, that's enough of that. So I believe that,
(41:08):
you know, Pete Didty obviously had a big court day
yesterday getting off the hook on a lot of stuff
that he was charged with. Must have really good lawyers, So,
you know, Kesha, I think that I swear in the
last year or two couple of years, since Diddy's faced
all these allegations, she went and scrubbed that part of
(41:28):
the song. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure
she did that anduse she doesn't want to be associated
with P Didty or like an artist or I don't know.
I'd have to go and find a but I could
have sworn. I saw a headline about her wanting to
redo that song with a different intro because of the
infamous P.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Diddy allegations.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Real quick, we haven't talked to NBA. Lakers beat the
Celtics in Game seven the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't throw
it into the broad I throw it in Uh couldn't
hit water from a little.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
From a boat? And Ronartest kind of saved the day.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Did you just mix metaphors with broad and I did?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I did water from a boat? Yes, I did, Thank you.
We will clean it up and that.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh she sorry.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
Going back to Kesha, she plans to re record her
song TikTok with a lyric change.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, plans to Hey, by the way, has anybody does
Kesha still exist in this world?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Does she record new songs?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
I think so. I think she still exist, but I
do know she has like new songs.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Okay, I'm going down.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
The decision with.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And of course, twenty ten was the year of Avatar
Avatar which what's his name, Jason Bourne apparently turned down, right.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Is that Matt Dylan, Matt Damon, Mat Damon.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Damon turned down Avatar Toy Story three, Iron Man two.
I was a big iron.
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Avatar was And by the way, I saw it in
three D in theaters and it was like a religious experience.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
It was like it was like being on a there's
two game changers.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
There was two game Changers that year. Also, Inception was
that year.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
I no, I know it's on the Yeah, is that
Leo right? Yeah, Yeah, everything's upside down and all around.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
For Christopher Nolan film Despicable Me. It's a very it's
a favorite of my family. Oh we had it rolling.
Uh we had it rolling in the suv for like
a year and a half, two years straight. So every
member of my family can quote grow, do not do
not far, do not do do not do it.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
I was this is right when I first moved out here,
maybe like eight nine years ago. I've been out here
for about ten years. But I was at the local
movie theater and I was walking to a movie and.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Out of the theater.
Speaker 7 (43:52):
I think it was one of the Despicable Me Sequels
was Steve Carell, his wife and his children. They had
all gone to see it, and they just sort of nonchalant.
He snuck out of there, and I was like, Oh,
just would have stopped him for an autograph, but you know,
he's with his family.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I don't want to bother him. But good thing I
didn't good thing I didn't so.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
M and that is uh, don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Throwback Thursday,
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Man, I mean in the uh in the days.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That matchup in terms of time of year, like you,
like you can only help for a perfect perfect day.
I don't know where you are, but you're in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Wow,
what a day. What an absolute chamber of commerce type
of day. And we're so happy to have you in
(00:56):
yourd Bonci Bolanos, she's with us throughout the show. Of course,
you got our guy Dan Byer who's doing Bounce around
doing all these other shows. He'll be hosting for me tomorrow.
I'll be hosting the Hurt. You got Jason Stewart and
you got Big Apple Iowa Sam on the show. Let's
just go with the biggest news of the day. Yeah,
(01:18):
it's sort of slow news time, but again, I think
this is really interesting, right, the Lakers have signed DeAndre Ayton,
and I think it's pretty obvious what's taking place. You
heard Brian Windhorst earlier today on ESPN saying, look, I
(01:43):
started with the never and now it's Lebron James is
in an expiring contract. An expiring contract is something that's
very valuable to people in the trade market. And he's like,
I'm not gonna say never. Now is if it's ever
gonna happen like this the year, this is the window,
this is the time, and I don't know. The whole
(02:05):
thing strikes me as super odd. Obviously, some of my
comments earlier in the week went a little bit viral,
and now you see what the Lakers are doing in
acquiring DeAndre Ayton. They need a big guy. Deandreton is
very good off pick and roll. Now, I don't actually
(02:25):
think he fits their their needs other than the fact
he is big. He can't score, he's not a great
rim protector't he's not a lob guy at the rim.
It doesn't mean he's not effective. But he also has
had his troubles defensively and in the playoffs, and some
(02:45):
attitude motivational things, but they're trying to find the right
fit for Luka Doncik, Luka Doncik. And this is a
little bit like why Cam Newton couldn't still be in
the NFL. This is a lot like why Alan Iverson
(03:07):
really really struggled when he went to the the Denver
Nuggets to play with Carmelo Anthony. You know, when you're
so used to being the guy for so long, when
you're not.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
You don't know what to you. Hear yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Right, and remember you go back the last couple of years,
and Lebron James really smart in that he would let
Austin Reeves and others like go and try and get
buckets in different times.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Which he could he could rest. He seemed okay with that.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
He doesn't seem okay with this because in order to
make Luca successful, Luca's got to have the ball a
ton and he's got to determine everything. And the only
the only conclusion you can come to is that Lebron
was cool with other guys taking shots, with other guys
(04:06):
making plays if it was based upon a plan that
he had, okayed. Now it's nobody goes to him and
asks him, and they're just doing things on their own and.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
He's not okay with it. He's not okay with it.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
I just it's a fascinating thing to watch where if
you really wanted to play somewhere else and you really
want to win a championship, you did not have to
pick up your player option. And you can tell me
all you want about, Wow, Lebron James should never play
for less money. Hey, you are what the market will bear.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
If you don't think Lebron James could have gotten fifty
three million dollars out in the olden market, then the
league is telling you what I'm telling you, which is
he's not a top ten, top fifteen, top twenty player.
I'm not saying it. The league is, and frankly Lebron
and Rich Paul is and damn sure the LA Lakers are.
(05:15):
And I think the thing about it that I can
and maybe you can understand, Okay, if you have been
through a long term relationship, you don't have to be married, Okay,
you can cohabitate with somebody. Some people have kids with
people that they don't marry. Maybe it's just a long
(05:36):
term boyfriend girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
And then.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And then there's ultimately a breakup. Right, This is my
personal belief, and some of it comes through time in therapy.
Some some of it comes through just having some perspective,
stepping away, realizing what went right, what went wrong. We
hold there's little things that we hold against even people
(06:03):
we care about, people we love, and the time we
dismiss it and we're like, ah, it's part of what
makes them them. But then when the relationship sours, it's
like a combination of all of those things have caused
us to not have the same feelings about each other.
(06:25):
And all of those bad times seem to pop back
into some people's.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Memories and they're like, ah.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Again, I'll give you the Lakers for Lebron. He's sitting
there going, hey man, I want you a title. Hey man,
I set the all time scoring mark. Place is full.
I'm still getting buckets and winning games with a myriad
of coaches. You know, we don't spend a ton of
(06:53):
money on a bunch of other stuff the way that
even the Clippers do. We don't have a brand new arena,
we don't have We have a nice practice, but it's
not like state of the art. It's not like you
guys go crazy for things. And you know, our teams
are competitive when I've been healthy, and I was the
one who turned Anthony Davis into a championship player. Was
previously Anthony Davis always breaking down. You know, Lebron in
(07:15):
his mind, he's like, I'm Lebron James, I am the system.
When you're the Lakers, you sit there and go, well, okay,
you've gotten hurt five out of the seven years and
haven't finished the season. There was the time in which
you showed up drunk to a game with a goblet
of wine sitting on the bench, and you kind of
(07:37):
embarrassed yourself and it was really awkward. Right, we've changed
out coaches because you tune them out. Remember the time
which we were going to go get tomar DeRozan. Yeah,
you were the one that said you wanted Russell Westbrook instead,
and we had to overpay to get Russell Westbrook, and
(07:57):
that that relationship ended in terms of quality relationship, Like
two months in the season, you were done with him.
Remember the time in which you made us draft Bronnie
James and then made us say all these nice things
about Bronnie James, and then we turned our G League
team into like an AAU team just made for Bronni
to take all the shots and make all the plays.
(08:20):
Then we played him on the Big Club when there's
no reason he should been playing on the Big Club.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
In and of itself, like, ah, you let guys get
it's Lebron. But then when Lebron no longer wants to
participate because the team is no longer crafted with him
at the top of the org chart, now all those
other things come back into play, all those other little
(08:47):
things that you hold against Lebron James, which you know
again people in the organization, I know a lot of
people that they were staunched defenders of Lebron and still
are on some level. As you have no idea. This
guy practices hard. This guy is precise with what he
(09:10):
puts in his body. You know the guys who are
his guys. He leads and he gets him in the
gym and he works out, and you know, he really
is about the right things. He wants to study film,
he wants to know the answers to the questions before
they appear on the nightly game test. But now you
talk to those same people and they're like, dude, he
(09:33):
only wants to work out by himself. You know, he
has this small circle that's getting smaller. No one can
say anything bad about Bronnie, can't treat him like he's
a regular rookie in the NBA. He wants his guys.
You trade away Anthony Davis, and he freaks out his
(09:54):
management team constantly trying to control things.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Feels headed for divorce. It does, It does. Now.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The important thing about being headed for divorce in a
basketball sense is this. It doesn't mean they won't put
a statue up front. They've done it with Shaq. And
if you remember how Shaq's career as a Laker ended,
it was not well. You know, he's yelling at Jerry
Buss while running down the court that he won a
new contract, and then they traded him. I mean, Shaq
went and played for the Celtics, which to me is
(10:27):
sacrilege if you're a Laker, if you're a tried and
true Laker. But they acquiesced and Shaq still historic Laker.
Three championships. Put a statue out in front. It doesn't
mean there won't be a statue in lebron It doesn't
mean they won't hang his number up in the rafters.
Why wouldn't they. But yeah, there's going to be a
(10:50):
period of like five years where it's not great between
le Bron and the Lakers. After what happens in a divorce,
and that divorce may happen before the season starts, it
may happen mid season, it may not happen to after
the season.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, But this is a.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Fascinating end to a a relationship, which is it's like
anybody it's their third marriage, right, Lakers.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
We've had a.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Bunch of superstars come here before, two mixed results. But
once you get here, you want to become a Laker.
If you stay here for seven years. This will be
his eighth season. JAYC, what's your read on the Lakers.
You're a lifelong Southern Californian and what's been taking place
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here over the last month?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
No, I you know, I was a child of the
eighties and I grew up with Showtime. I was an
avid fan and just being in the business, my loyalty
towards the Lakers over the years has kind of waned
a little bit, but I still obviously follow with very closely,
and I am very interested in how Lebron James has
(12:06):
completely refused to connect with Laker fans. It's it's a
merely transactional relationship. You get me, Lebron James, I'm famous,
you'll be more relevant, you might win a ring, and
you can come and pay to see me. But I'm
not going to try to make any emotional connection with you.
(12:26):
And he's brazen about it. Almost every decision that comes
out of Lebron's camp is about Lebron and his brand.
I don't I don't know if I've ever even heard
him once say that I love Laker fans or I
love playing in front of these passionate fans. It's like
he goes out of his way to not embrace it.
So like this week, this last decision, this most recent
(12:50):
decision is just confirms that feeling that this is all
about what Lebron wants as opposed to what's good for
the Lakers and their passionate fan base.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
This is the best of the Doun Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. And coming
off a night where Clayton Kershaw has his three thousandth strikeout,
who better to give us some context than a guy who,
I mean elite, elite in terms of all sports clutch pitchers,
clutch players in the history sport. Kurt Schilling joins US
(13:29):
World Series champion. He joins US now on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Kurt three thousand strikeouts
in a seventeen year story career in which he's been
a part of two World Series championships. What does the
three thousand strikeouts signify to you? Watching Clayton Kershaw work
(13:49):
last night?
Speaker 6 (13:51):
You know what at First Bowls Hall of Fame Human
Beings Clayton is. You know, I remember a god. I
can't remember like much of it, but I remember him
when when the talk about him coming up, and because
it was right our career passed, didn't really cross, but
(14:11):
he was ads advertised. He did some stuff for a
period of time that you look for in greatness, and
he continued, I mean his postseason struggles aside. He's your
first Boult Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, but it's interesting, it's unique, right, it wasn't You weren't.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
A bad pitcher in the regular season. You were very good.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He was doumb in the regular season, but there were
struggles in the postseason. You're most known for your postseason success. Okay,
So what's the reality to how fair is that because
a Clayton Kershaw defender will say, well, limited, limited sample size,
although he's been in a bunch and they'll say it
was later innings and he wore down because he pitched
so much in the regular season. What's the reality to it?
(14:54):
As somebody who's who's kind of the opposite no more
for the postseason of the regular season.
Speaker 6 (14:59):
Well, you know what I don't. You're either good or
not in October. There is no in between, and it's
as much a mindset as anything. You know, from a
workload perspect you could come up with a hundred excuses
as to why someone doesn't succeed in October, and there's
probably truth the ninety of them in some semonees or
some sense. Some guys just aren't built for October. And
(15:23):
you know, he played to win the ring, so it
would I mean, that was why I think most of
us played. He's got two you know, he just hasn't
had his October moments. But I don't think it takes
away from a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I here's something interesting. I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Coming into last night, he had the exact same number
of wins as you had. And I say that because
you know again, yeah, yeah to sixteen to sixties. Yeah,
it feels like an answer, I know. But will we
ever have another three hundred game winner?
Speaker 6 (15:58):
No, not right now, not right now. You know, I've
been doing some work pre draft work, and you know,
I'm thinking about stepping back into the game on the
pitching side of things, because pitching in the big leagues,
pitching across Baseball and amateur for face broken, is horribly
broken and it needs to be fixed. There needs to
(16:20):
be I say this term loosely, but there needs to
be a moneyball sort of renaissance with pitching. The hunt
for velocity has destroyed the art and and and that's
I mean, that's why you're seeing the massive increase in
arm injuries and all the things to go with that,
(16:41):
and and organizations. I mean, listen, I did. I did
some work on this draft, and I'm not going to
name names because these kids are coming up to one
of the most special days in their lives. But if
I'm a major league team, there are two or three,
at least two guys I wouldn't touch with your first
round pick, and they're going to go in the first round,
(17:01):
one of them is probably going to go very high,
and they're it's just not physically possible for these guys
to be healthy five six years from now. I mean
it's just if you look down the sport, you go
back and watch video and history, guys that throw like
these guys throw don't last. They never have and they
(17:22):
never will. And it's not their fault. But pitching is
broken in baseball right now. And you know that's why
your schoolbls stand out yond that's why Jacob de Gram
was set to be maybe the best pitcher that ever
lived if he hadn't gotten hurt. He was Greg Maddix
with at ninety eight, right, I mean, that's Pedro at
(17:46):
ninety eight. I mean it just but again, it's broken.
It's horribly broken. And the clinics that are teaching these
guys to throw hard at the cost of being a
pitcher is one of the big, big reasons.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The podcast is called The Complete Game. You need to
watch it on YouTube. That's probably the easiest way to
do it, to subscribe to that channel. Kurt Shilling is
our guest, of course, that's his podcast. He join us
now on the Doug Gottlieb show.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
On Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
We talked about young pictures, and last night I'm watching
Jacob Misrowski, who, of course is the rookie with the Brewers,
who before last night hadn't been touched right, and then
he had just one inning where infield hit could have
been a potential out, could have got him out of
the inning. He doesn't give up a home run and
(18:39):
then a back to back. Okay, so you break this
stuff down. His velo is a little down last night.
Is miss Rowski? Is he a guy here to stay
or is he a guy that I don't think that lasts.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
I like him better than I like a lot of
young guys. A couple episodes ago I talked about him.
There's a much more polished delivery than a lot of
these other guys I'm talking about, especially for his age.
The problem is he's not ready for the big leagues.
I don't care about this stuff. He hasn't back and
(19:16):
you know, I know I sound artaic and I sound
like the old guy. Get off my long, guy. But
back in the day, you went through the minor league
by mastering the level you were at and moving on. Sure, right,
and each level is a little bit more effort. Each
level is a little bit mentally and physically harder, and
there's a gradual process to getting to the big leagues.
(19:39):
And I use my personal analogy. When I got to
the big leagus, I made my debut, had a decent start,
went seven innings, and then I got my ass handed
to me for three three games and I drove home
that winter. And the thing I tell everybody it was
a similar moment in my career because I drove from
Baltimore to Phoenix, Arizona, and during the drive if I
(20:00):
had an epiphany and it was, Hey, you know what,
I'm not ready, but I can do this. And that
came from having five to six seven hundred innings in
the minor leagues I threw. I had a couple two
hundred inning seasons in the minor league. I threw eight
or nine complete games in a couple different minor league seasons.
I knew how to pitch in the eighth inning and
(20:21):
the ninth inning and with runners in scoring position. Those
are all the things you learned. I learned how to
pitch inside in the minor league. None of that. So
what I would basically I am saying is I had
the toolbox. When I got to the big leagues, I
just figure out how. I had to figure out how
to use the tools. These guys get the big league,
they don't have the toolbox. And I used a guy
like Chase Dollander in Colorado. These guys are coming up
(20:45):
with fifteen Triple A innings and you know, one hundred
and sixteen minor league innings spread out over two and
a half seasons. There's this enormous rush to get these
guys to the big leagues. And I don't understand it.
Right call around the Rockies. We all know what kind
of season they're having, right, I mean, it's it's misery.
What is Chase Dollander learning in the big leagues right now?
(21:09):
Because we're alpha guys, right, I mean we're all alpha athletes.
We've always been the best at what we did where
we were. You get to the big leagues, everybody's as
good or better than you. You're not in the big
leagues as a young pitcher thinking I'm going to take
this thirt and I'm going to try and learn how
to do this. You're taking the ball going I gotta
win and there's no development there. And I said this,
(21:32):
I went back and I looked, and this is how
I know it's it's sport wide. I went back and
looked at a couple guys in junior colleges. Were these
guys were all first round picks. I looked at him
in junior college, I looked at him in college. I
looked at him the big leagues, and we're the exact
same pitcher at twenty three to twenty four in the
big leagues that they were in junior college. Physically, mechanically,
(21:53):
people should be fired for that. But the chase for
velocity and the money seems to create a sense of
haste in promoting it shouldn't exist. Would you rather have
a guy come up at twenty two and have his
Tommy John, because there are most of these guys are
on their way to Tommy John or some shoulder problem
(22:16):
because of their deliveries. But would you rather have that
guy at twenty two who knows nothing about the big leagues,
bounce around for three, four five years and then become
a free agent when he starts to learn how to
pitch in the big leagues, Or would you rather have
him at twenty three twenty four as polished as he
could be and then learn that way. You know, the
(22:36):
process is so broken right now, and teams are losing
and these four is losing billions of dollars in I
our time. The picture is because of the approach.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
It's it's really really interesting stuff. And yeah, they want
also get the big league getings quicker to arbitration right,
and the quick contract.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
But you know what the problem is. The only way
a kid could be the same pitcher he was in
junior college is if you have a minor league system
of coaches afraid to coach. Right, some of these guys
coming to their first day in rookie ball, you would
take them to the bullpen and okay, listen, this isn't
gonna work. You you have the foundation. But here's what
we need to fix. The problem is that coaches don't
(23:20):
want to be the guy that broke the first round pick. Right,
you're talking about five six eight, what was schemes? Nine
million dollars. No one's gonna no one's gonna want to
be the guy that that maybe broke him or changed
him because he throws really hard, and you can't do that.
You have to be hands on with these young men
and you have to make them understand. Listen, these guys
(23:42):
are getting paid. Think about this. These guys are getting
paid thirty million dollars a year to throw one hundred
and seventy five innings. Are you kidding me? One hundred
and seventy five innings was like mid August total, and
now it's not. I mean thirty five starts a year,
seven innings. That starts two hundred and forty five innings.
When was the last time anybody even sniffed that?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
I probably never again. So okay, so let me let
me ask you this. Let me get to a couple
of other things. Kurt Schilling joining us. The Complete Game
is the podcast download wherever you're download podcast. Of course
you can watch it on YouTube as well. Let's get
to the Dodgers. Jason Stewart is my producer. The Dodgers
drive him crazy, not because he doesn't think they're talented,
(24:28):
but because it's like they so badly want to be
able to do it without a a a closer, like
a designated closer, like here's our guy, right. They want
the new era of baseball. It did work last year?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Are you a believer it doesn't work? Why it's never worked?
Because sabermetricians can't understand that getting the last three outs
in the of the game are the hardest three outs
of the game to get. Yeah, just are you can
like that, dislike that, you can be a fan of say,
oh it's different. It's different. And the analogy I've always
(25:08):
used is October baseball is like pitching the ninth inning
with the one run lead. Every inning, every hitter in
the ninth inning of a close game is approaching me
at that differently. They just do right. And in October,
every single hitter, every single at bat, the hitters at
the plate approaching it like a nine thing. At bat,
they're different. Out, I get the hole, bring my guy
(25:30):
in in the highest leverage situation in the seventh inning
because they're second and third and I need two punch
outs and whatever. But probably the biggest culprit in the
new phase of pitching our relievers. These guys are just
coming and thrown as hard as they want. And if
you doubt what I'm saying, just watch an inning. Watch
the catcher's glove on fastballs and the fact that you
almost have to be Jerry Rice to catch some of
(25:51):
these fastballs, as opposed to being a big league catcher.
Guys set up down and in the way to throw
the ball up and away. Guy sits up down in
a way, throws the ball in middle middle guy swings
and misses. There, it says, great pitch. It's just there's
metrics that aren't being measured, and they're they're meaningful from
a standpoint of pitching. But getting the last three I remember,
(26:13):
if you remember way back, the Red Sox tried that
whole bullpen by committee approach in the early two thousands
and failed miserably at it. It's just different. The human
psyche is different. And I'm on the mound in the
ninth inning. Hell, as a starter. When I was on
the mound in the ninth inning, I knew those three
outs were different than the first twenty four I've gotten
as a reliever. That's your whole life. Well, think about this.
(26:36):
If it was not that different, then there would be
a lot of Trevor Hopkins and Mariano Rivera's with six
hundred career stage right. Yeah, But there's not, and there
won't be there.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
There is not. Kurt, you're the best man.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
It's not just because you have credibility in your opinion,
but you also do the work to the research and
getting us ready for the upcoming MLB Draft. This is
awesome stuff. Can't wait talk with you next week again.
Allry body, It's the complete game, Kurt Chilling. Download it
and check it out on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Thanks Kurt.
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Dog gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Welcome inn oh ah, hope you're having a great day.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
You're getting ready for the fourth of July. You know
what that means? All right, that's sound of fireworks.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
How are you doing that? That's actually pretty convincing.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I'm I have like, well, no, I h I don't
know Sam, I know you're older than you Like Sam
has a very youthful vibe. When Sam is a grandpa,
he'll be like the most beloved grandpa ever won because
like a grandpa, he has that Cliff Claven knows a
little bit about a lot of things. But two he
plays younger than he is, right, plays younger than he is,
(28:08):
like honestly, like Sam has the spirit of like twenty
five twenty six year old dude and he's in his thirties.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Other people say I'm like the spirit of a seventy
five year old man. So I'm kind of like a
mix of all.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The dude, that's the Cliff Claven thing and when you
know these these interesting facts whatever. But I did you
police Academy movies? Did you ever watch any of them?
Speaker 4 (28:30):
You know?
Speaker 7 (28:30):
I gotta be honest, I've seen a little clips of them,
but I've not watched him front to back, and there's like,
what nine of them or something?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, I mean, really everybody else stopped? Was it citizens
on patrol? Was that the last time that was a
police Academy three or four?
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Jay stew No, I do so the last time Steve
Gutenberg got like a CD Sisberg.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Was Yes, that's that's exactly It's exactly it, right. But again,
part of it was there was a guy Michael Winslow,
and Michael Winslow had a little bit of a run there, right,
and he was running. He did all the sounds, which
I don't know what what is that? What is that called?
That's not called panamime?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Is it? Jase, don any idea what that's called.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Beatboxer, noise maker, beat boxer.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
No, but he can also do the like the.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
A Man of ten thousand sound effects. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
I think Covino and Rich actually interviewed him once and
he just started doing all those sound effects and they
were like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
This is a little weird but cool.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Right, So if you grew up in that era, you
had a special affinity for it and you did your
own to various different As you guys know, there are
voices I do which I don't think you can do
over radio because even if they're not intended to be offensive,
they could be offensive.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So so you know, I got I could do it.
Lou ho no, but you could be upsetting. Oh when
I do alu ho.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But I all go have a little bit of Michael
Winszow and me where I can.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
I hope tomorrow we just hear the uh the dug
no no no no no no no no no. I
hope tomorrow we hear the Doug Gottlieb centric FSR promo
where it's just you going America boom.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
That's that's actually pretty good. You know what it's at
the speak of a Boob. It's at Thursday. So Jay
Stu invented something we called don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Say it, Jay Stu, say it.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Take it from here on this date, on this date
in two thousand and ten.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Now, think about it.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
We are exiting the Notts and we're entering very he
calls them the notts. They're called the ots. And think
of garlic knots. I call him the knots.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
It makes it different than the very farm the thoughts.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, think about what you were doing. You want talk
about old souls. That's Jay Stu being an old soul. Yeah,
also kind of being a history buff because back in eight,
which is nineteen oh eight, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
No, I remember that year. Well, Teddy Roosevelt was exiting
the White House? Uh, was a William Taft? Was he
the next president?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Then Sam William Howard Taft? Uh look into that.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
And then so think about what you were doing in
twenty ten. Just think of funny ten.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
We were coming out of the we're starting to recover
from the housing crisis, right, yeah, in the midterms.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
And don't get me started on Bayner taking over the Congress.
But anyway, John Bayner, who cried a lot, but he
was John Baynor. He just had these tears. He's always
just very emotional, loved smoking cigarettes, Shane smoking very emotional
and he had his face look like a catcher's met
crying and.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Basically it catches me because he smoked all those heaters.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Yes, this year, this date, what is it, the third
of July twenty ten, something incredible happened these Serena Williams
was winning her fourth Wimbledon, count them four Wimbledon titles.
I don't know how much she finished up with. Maybe
Aalancey could do her homework.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
On that one.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Con I be the guy? Can I be that guy?
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Since we've talked about this tournament a lot recently, it
is Wimbledon, there's a Dan out of ta.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
I just want to be that. I'll be that guy.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
It's not Wimbledon, Nope, Fortnite.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
It's a Fortnite. You gotta wear white, you know what?
Since we're talking about kind of a lower level sports,
a niche sports. The Olympics were that year Olympics, and
you probably remember the name Sean White. That was twenty
ten in London. You probably remember the name oh Landon
(33:02):
Donovan was in the World Cup and he scored a
goal for USA.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
By the way, By the way, did you guys watch
the Gold Cup last night? No? He didn't. Oh you
were at the game?
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah, Landon Donovan and look, as a guy who's
folliclely challenged on some level, I understand, I feel it,
but yeah, I don't know, well, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
He was dealt a tough hand.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Tough hand.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, and because he's got the ball, he's got obviously
the bald in the middle, but it's like the hair
on the side. But do you go do you just
quit before it before it's called fire yet, before it
quits on you, because it's quit on him.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Tough one. So again I have I understand, I understand.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
So those were the lower tier sports of the year.
We got the Olympics, we got the World Cup. Exciting
your twenty ten and Wimbledon. Monsey, what do you remember
most about twenty ten? What were you.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Getting into college? Get in college? In college?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
But that was the year that Blake Griffin actually played
for the Clippers because he was drafted in twenty nineteen,
but he got hurt and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Play the entire season twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh, twenty sorry, twenty on nine, Yes, sorry, sorry, sorry,
and such.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
So twenty ten was, you know, the beginning of the
Clippers being cool?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Honestly, all things to Blay Griffin.
Speaker 8 (34:27):
She's not wrong, right, it's the beginning of the of
us being cool.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
She's not She's not lob city, She's not wrong. Twenty ten.
In college basketball, Oh the dookies.
Speaker 9 (34:40):
Let me tell you, let me tell you they had
John Shia. John Shaya helped take the Dukies to a
national title. But that NCAA title is more known for
a missed shot than any of the main shots, right,
Duke be Butler, But Gordon Hayward heaving up a mid
court shot somehow is the one that draws people interest
(35:01):
more than all the shots that Duke made anyway. Twenty
ten the Duke Giso. It's also the Capital A won
the national championship.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Sam, what was Iowa football doing in twenty times? Let's
go back to let's actually go back. So we were
talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
Iowa football plays like it's the US.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
They actually had a lot expected of them that year,
and they were an underwhelming eight and five, I believe.
But we were talking about pitchers. We would take like
to win a game in baseball all time. So you
go back to twenty ten, it was the San Francisco Giants,
first of three World Series titles in five years, and
they had that deep stable of pitchers, Tim Linscum, Matt
(35:44):
mad Bum, probably other studs.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Never forgetting Zito. Maybe Verry Zito was on that team,
I think.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
And so you uh that that was the beginning of
sort of the Giants little mini dynasty there, winning three
out of five twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I believe ei was that right? You're right?
Speaker 4 (36:00):
In a good year, Aaron Rodgers got his one and
only title. It was the twenty ten season. Now, I
know we get confused here. Twenty ten season was the
year of Aaron Rodgers. You got brought the Packers another title.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
You know what's crazy about about that? But bringing up
Aaron Rodgers in twenty ten? Do you know what I
played golf with this morning?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4 (36:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Well, Mark Murphy, who used the perfect word to describe
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Do you remember what the word was?
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Uh? Complicated?
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Complicated Squidly We talked for about three three holes about
the word complicated.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
What a great word, perfect word.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Because complicated has so many negative characteristics. But it's not
actually a negative word. It's a lot like mediocre mediocre
right where to anybody mediocre be like oh that bad
hots mediocre?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Like, no, mediocre is average, it's in the middle.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
I would describe Rogers as complex because it's complicated a
little more negative. I think complex is like he needs
to be understood. You need to take him in over
a fifteen year period and understand all the different moves
he's made and things he said. But back in back
when he won that Super Bowl, he was like mister popular.
(37:16):
I mean he was in commercials. Then we're like, man,
this guy is.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
A It was the discount double check.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, he did a lot.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
By the way, complicated is consisting of many interconnecting parts
or elements.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Intricate.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yeah, that's from probably many different confusing aspects.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, that's that sums him up. That does some of
them up. I will say this that was complicated.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Words evolve, and especially in our lexicon, so like mediocre
has become below average, yeah, just like literally has become figuratively, Uh,
what what word did you use last week? Theory? Theory
used to be like a scientific proven thing, but now
it's like conspiracy theory. Anyways, I saw an interview with
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Aaron Rodgers twenty ten. It was the strangest thing, and
he was he took his headphones off and they were like,
what are you listening to right now? This was a surprise.
It was kind of a ballad, but it was one
of the songs of the year.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yes, I was on a plane sitting next dam once.
What's his name?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Well, this is train train right, yeah, so sister.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, what's the leads here? Train's name?
Speaker 7 (38:31):
Mmmm?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Pat Monaghan?
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Is it really?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, we were.
Speaker 7 (38:37):
He came up on He came up on Coveno and
Rich because we were talking about Drops of Jupiter, the
song Drops of Jupiter being about his mother passing away,
very heartfelt.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
So what about him, Doug.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
He was just he was on a plane and I was.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I just remember that he had like a picture of
himself singing and.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
I don't know, I don't did. It was weird to me.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
He looks like a guy who would just be reeking
of uh perfume cologne.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, colone, Yeah, he did. He had the It was
it was he definitely was. It was. I was sitting
in first classes back then. I was working for CBS Humble, Hey, whatever.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
So and it's on a cross country flight from New
York to Los Angeles, and it was almost like a
red eye flight, you know, like red eye flights. I
don't know what you guys, I fly a lot of
red Eyes. Like the whole thing is be as comfortable
as possible. And I just remember like he had like
those rockstar boots on, which like looks like they could
be motorcycle boots, but he definitely never ridden a motorcycle,
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and it made they made a lot of noise, and
they also make you look taller because I don't think
he was the biggest fella in the world.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
And but the is like his hair was like peak
rock star hair.
Speaker 7 (39:51):
Oh yeah, so he's so he's actually like six foot
seven when you add the boots and the hair and yeah,
I know you're talking about sort of those like but
black commando boots just.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Like yes, and he didn't have like long hair. It
was it was like, well is it coughed? Is waffed?
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right, But it was like he legit had spent some
time or had somebody do his hair, like dude, runner
red eye. Everybody's gonna look so miserable and ugly in
like four hours, like who cares. But he definitely had
the hey man, I'm the lead singer of Train, don't
believe me. It's on my phone sort of thing going.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Boom when he saw you. Was he like, hey, Doug gottlb,
what should take on? Jim Calhoun, I want it now? No,
I definitely think that happened.
Speaker 7 (40:39):
That went down, okay, Dug Gottleibu.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
So that was a that was a big song in
the year.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
But actually the number one song of twenty ten would
be controversial, controversial by today's standards. It was Kesha's TikTok
and it started with a h an intro that she
has since re record. Did Let's give it a listen?
All right, that's enough of that. So I believe that,
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you know, Pete Didty obviously had a big court day
yesterday getting off the hook on a lot of stuff
that he was charged with. Must have really good lawyers, So,
you know, Kesha, I think that I swear in the
last year or two couple of years, since Diddy's faced
all these allegations, she went and scrubbed that part of
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the song. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure
she did that anduse she doesn't want to be associated
with P Didty or like an artist or I don't know.
I'd have to go and find a but I could
have sworn. I saw a headline about her wanting to
redo that song with a different intro because of the
infamous P.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Diddy allegations.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Real quick, we haven't talked to NBA. Lakers beat the
Celtics in Game seven the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't throw
it into the broad I throw it in Uh couldn't
hit water from a little.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
From a boat? And Ronartest kind of saved the day.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Did you just mix metaphors with broad and I did?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I did water from a boat? Yes, I did, Thank you.
We will clean it up and that.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
Oh she sorry.
Speaker 7 (42:12):
Going back to Kesha, she plans to re record her
song TikTok with a lyric change.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Yeah, plans to Hey, by the way, has anybody does
Kesha still exist in this world?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Does she record new songs?
Speaker 3 (42:24):
I think so. I think she still exist, but I
do know she has like new songs.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Okay, I'm going down.
Speaker 3 (42:33):
The decision with.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
And of course, twenty ten was the year of Avatar
Avatar which what's his name, Jason Bourne apparently turned down, right.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Is that Matt Dylan, Matt Damon, Mat Damon.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Damon turned down Avatar Toy Story three, Iron Man two.
I was a big iron.
Speaker 7 (42:59):
Avatar was And by the way, I saw it in
three D in theaters and it was like a religious experience.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
It was like it was like being on a there's
two game changers.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
There was two game Changers that year. Also, Inception was
that year.
Speaker 7 (43:12):
I no, I know it's on the Yeah, is that
Leo right? Yeah, Yeah, everything's upside down and all around.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
For Christopher Nolan film Despicable Me. It's a very it's
a favorite of my family. Oh we had it rolling.
Uh we had it rolling in the suv for like
a year and a half, two years straight. So every
member of my family can quote grow, do not do
not far, do not do do not do it.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (43:39):
I was this is right when I first moved out here,
maybe like eight nine years ago. I've been out here
for about ten years. But I was at the local
movie theater and I was walking to a movie and.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Out of the theater.
Speaker 7 (43:52):
I think it was one of the Despicable Me Sequels
was Steve Carell, his wife and his children. They had
all gone to see it, and they just sort of nonchalant.
He snuck out of there, and I was like, Oh,
just would have stopped him for an autograph, but you know,
he's with his family.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
I don't want to bother him. But good thing I
didn't good thing I didn't so.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
M and that is uh, don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
Throwback Thursday,
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