July 9, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Kerry Rhodes in for Doug as they discuss the WNBA and Caitlin Clark taking control. They discuss Clark choosing to trade away her All-Star coach Cheryl Reeve and they obvious implications in that.
Dan and Kerry discuss the recent misstep by MLB star Rafael Devers as he stood up Giants legend Will Clark.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
A Happy Wednesday and the WNBA. I never thought I
would say this, the gift that keeps on giving. Carry
ro one d in a time where baseball is about
to cruise into an All Star break, NBA free agency
is really slowed down, and we're still a few weeks
away from NFL training camps. It's the WNBA that pumps
the blood of sports fans, maybe just more of the
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drama that's going on in the WNBA. We are about
to dive in carry up at Carrie twenty five Roads.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox Chiefs GM.
Brett Veach had something very interesting to say about one
of his star players. We'll dive into that in about
twenty minutes or so. Plus it's a Wednesday, so you
know it's time for the Midway. Jason and Stewart is
here as is Iowa. Sam Chris Burffett will give us
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all the breaking news we need, plus the updates throughout
the day. But the latest update that we have on
the WNBA is the All Star Game is coming up,
and last night they had a draft of the All
Star players, with Nafisa Kllier being one of the captains
of one of the All Star teams and Indiana Fever
guard Caitlin Clark being the captain of the other team.
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And we've seen this draft process go on before Kerry
where in the NBA, Giannis and Lebron have drafted, and
it was nice for a while, but then it got
a little bit old. There's more drama on who is
the first pick and who's the last picked in the
middle that kind of kind of settles out. But I
thought that last night's WNBA draft draft All Star Game
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draft provided some interesting, let's just call them drama threads
throughout that for some reason, keep this league just pumping
and pumping with attention and excitement.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you'll have to break down all the little details
of what happened in that draft. I do know that
you know, I guess the fallout. The immediate fallout was
everybody who had beef or had some type of tiff
with the great Kaitlyn Clark was not on her team.
I saw that, and there's more to that story. I
want you to break it down a little bit more
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for me, Dan, but that was my immediate thing. Nobody
that she had beef with on her time.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think it's I think it's an opportunity for Kaitlyn
Clark to now stand up for herself, and I feel
that she's doing it in a way that isn't in
your face and telling everybody about it. But I found
it very interesting. Now, Brianna Stewart initially had comments when
Clark was coming into the NBA because there was a
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lot of question on was Kitlyn Clark the greatest college
basketball player that we've ever seen? Yeah, And there was
a lot of people were saying, well, Brianna Stewart is
look at what she did at yukon all of her accolades.
Clark won a national championship. So Brianna Stewart was kind
of thrown into the mix. I think that Caitlyn Clark
and Brianna Stewart have a good relationship. Yes, And even
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throughout this back and forth that was going on. Caitlyn
Clark even said, Hey, I'll try to acquire Brianna Stewart
if you can, you know, bring her on my team.
And if he's Collier's like, I'm not going to trade,
I'm not going to trade her. But still, Briana Stewart
is not on Caitlin Clark's name. The most recent thing
that we saw was at crypto dot com in Los
Angeles when Kelsey Plum of the Los Angeles Sparks went
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up to a fan who was wearing a Caitlin Clark
T shirt and gave her the an LA Sparks T
shirt instead of the Caitlin Clark shirt that the fan
was wearing and said, make sure that that doesn't happen again.
And then, most notably, Angel Reese was not drafted by
Kitlyn Clark, and there is an opportunity for Caitlyn Clark.
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I think if she wanted to make good and she
could have drafted Angel Reese as part of a team,
but that would have soothed things over. But I don't know.
I don't think that Caitlin Clark should do that. I
don't think Caton Clark has to do that right And
in a way I'm now wondering because Caitlyn Clark is
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on this certain trajectory that I don't believe that Angel
Reese is not, although NBA two K may tell you otherwise.
But maybe it's even better for now Caitlin Clark to
leave Angel Reese in the dust. But the fact of
the matter is is Caitlin Clark did not pick Angel
Reach last night as part of the NBA Draft or
the All Star Game w NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, for Kitlyn Clark to leave Angel Rees and the dust,
she needs to be healthy and on the court playing basketball.
I mean, obviously the hyperbole of all of this is,
I mean, we know that Caitlin Clark's a better player
all around player, but she's not. She hasn't been on
the court this year, right and when she's played, she's
been up and down this year. So for me, they
both had their moments. Obviously when you talk about you
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know who's going to.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Be worth moments Angel Reese had.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
She's had double doubles that she continues to do. That
streak is still one of those things that's alive. I
know she's not the best as far as finishing around
that who we all know that. I mean, that's everything
I can see it. But what has Kaitlyn Clark doing.
She's shot poorly from the three, She's turned the ball over,
and when she's played, her team hasn't won as much
as she should like. This team is coming into the year,
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should be one of the favorites and they're sitting around
five hundred. So I'm talking about from the overall scope
of looking at both of them right now in this moment,
they're both two time All Stars. Kaitlyn Clark is the
more polished player. There's no question she is the face
and can be the face of the WNBA. She's not
the face. Agel Wilson's the face, but Kaitlyn Clark is
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the person that brings in, brings in the outside casual
fans of the game. So there is still some stuff
still to be determined here as far as the product
on the court in my.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Opinion, Okay, so you think that it's the gap is
not as wide between Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reache.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
At the present moment, meaning what they put out even
after she's bricking shot after shot and getting her own rebound,
and sure Kaitlyn Clark isn't hitting her shots either. I'm
just saying right now, the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And you think Asia Wilson's the face of the WNBA
right now, Yes, she's the best player in the league.
Well that's different than the face of the.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I just said, and I said that before I say,
Kaitlin Clark is still the will be the face.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, but Angel Wilson is the best player. So yeah,
I don't argue with that portion of it. But in
terms of what we recognize with the league, I do
think that it's Caitlin Clark. And I thought Caitlin Clark
did a really good job last night in trying to
make that broadcast bearable because it's not an easy thing
to do. You have to make it exciting. You have to,
you know, be energetic. And the most energetic point came
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when I think, aside from Angel Reese, who hasn't necessarily
thrown direct shade on Caitlin Clark's game, but just throughout
her career as either taunted or said other things, tried
to be part of the conversation. Cheryl Reeve is the
Minnesota Links head coach, and she was going to be
the head coach of Kaitlyn Clark's team until this happened.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
To be completely honest, I love my team. I think
they're great. I don't have any intentions of really trading
any of them. I don't know if this is in
the rules. I don't really care, but I think we've
already discussed we are going to trade coaches. If he's
going to take her coach, Sandy Brondelo, let's get it
would be amazing. Sorry WNBA if that's not in the rule,
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I'm sorry ESPN if that's not in the rules, but
we just made it a rule now, So Sandy Brondelo,
come on over, get to it. You can coach Sabrina.
So therefore, maybe Stewie wants to come on over to
my team, Well, let me know you want to give
me Stewie no.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So there there was the Brianna Stewart aspect of it,
but let's be real. They didn't swap coaches. So and
if he'sa and Collier could be coached by her head coach,
they swapped coaches because Caitlyn Clark didn't want to deal
with Cheryl Reeve, who had a lot of comments to
say about the Olympic team in it. Other points throughout
the WNBA season, Caitlin Clark wanting no part of the
Minnesota Links head coach.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The crazy part about what we're talking about right now
is it is very interesting, Like I'm really I'm really
enamored with I guess the attention that this is all
bringing in, and I think it's fun for the sport.
I think it's good for the sport as well. I
actually think it's fun that she didn't draft Angel Reese. Yes,
and like keep that bruin. I mean, even if it's
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not a real thing, like we see it that way, right,
so run with it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I think I think a couple of things have now happened.
The tide is turned, and while not everything is on
Caitlin Clark's side, she's in a much better position now
as a second year professional in the WNBA than in
year one. I actually think now it can benefit Caitlin
Clark to have this beef. I felt up until this
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point recently everybody else who had hated on Caitlin Clark
had tried to do it to benefit themselves. So then
when Sophie Cunningham does the shove of the Connecticut's son
Jace Sheldon, and now Sophie Cunningham has shirts and jerseys
being sold out on fanatics and has become a social
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media star like that was a tide turner as well.
That changed part of the narrative. If I'm Kitlin Clark,
not only am I now trying to keep this narrative,
but she's sticking up for herself. And not that she
didn't do it last year, but I think it was
difficult when there were so many things coming at her.
Now I think she feels empowered now she has people
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on her side and has the ability to make a
move like this, to trade the All Star coach that
had talked ish about her and put her on the
other team. And I'll tell you what for what Cheryl
Reevens said previously about Kitlyn Clark. I'm not saying that
she needs to kiss the ring, but you're never going
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to escape that when you went out of your way
to try to be negative and to try to prove
a point. I think now that the tables have turned,
I think some people are really going to regret the
stuff that they said about Gitland Clark because now the
power seems to be in Clark's hands.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Oh yeah, I mean, everybody's find finding out that when
Caitlyn Clark plays, and she plays well, the league is
a better league, and if she doesn't, and the vitual
that comes towards her isn't warranted, like you're you're the
one that's going to catch the flag. Now, nobody's actually
looking at Caitlyn Clark and thinking that she's a minus
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when it comes to that league, right correct, There's nothing
about her that's a minus when it comes to that league.
So the power that she is in, the power that
she possesses, as you know, one of the best players
in that game and the face of that league, you
cannot you can't take shots at that unwarranted. I mean,
people will come after you and you will be you know,
put on this level play and field with her and
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actually have to answer to those remarks. And that's not
a safe space to be in. Right now, there's critiques.
Doug Gottlieb on this show is critiqued Caitlin Clark's jump shot. Yeah,
and they said, like this needs work. That isn't in
an unnecessary shot.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's basketball analysis, and I think basketball analysis is fair.
But there were a lot of people who tried to
pile on and take their shots and say what they
had to say just because they wanted to be a
part of the conversation or they wanted their you know,
pound of flesh. Right, And now I think the tables
have turned. I don't think that it's completely on Caitlin
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Clark's side, but number one, I feel she's way more
empowered than she was a year ago. And number two,
I think she can use all of this negativity to
her advantage.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
For sure, you saw the Carolyn Peck comments about her.
Oh yeah, yeah, so that was another one that was
just recent and right. Obviously, again, if she's playing, she's
not going to set herself up for those type of remarks,
right Like now, when you're not playing and you're not
playing your best when you went out, people feel that
there is some validation there. And that's kind of what
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I'm talking about. At the moment of talking about the
gap between her and you know, Angel or whatever, there
is a gap.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I mean, Kaitlin Clark's a better player, but at the moment,
they're both two time All Stars, and they're both on
teams that aren't like they're underachieved, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I would be remiss if I did not go to
Jason Stewart and Iowa sam our resident Kitlyn Clark fan club,
coming from two different directions. I do want to start
with you, Jason. Last night, you see Kitlyn Clark give
the stiff arm to Cheryl Reeve and all these other
other players. As a resident Kaitlyn Clark watcher in watching
all of her games, did you feel a tide turning
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last night? Or have you felt this tide turning that
we've been talking about kind of?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You know, just to back up a little bit, I'm
all about what Caitlyn is doing, whoever is informing her
of her decisions, messaging wise, attitude wise, everything has been
spot on, starting with her turning down that stupid three
on three week. They needed her much more than she
needed them. She said no thanks, and they're worse off
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for it and they know it too. So starting then,
she's been making great decision after a great decision. She
really she's kind of allowed everyone else to do her talking,
especially even during the injury. Here, the ratings are doing
the talking, the interest in the league is doing the talking,
and it's loudly telling us that the league just doesn't
move the needle without her. And then last night just
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confirmed that she's just making good decisions. I want to
rid my life of the negativity. I want to move
on with the positivity, and I will let everything else
do the talking for me.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Makes sense absolutely, But I think she could also do
the talking with these actions. I just I don't think
it was a quintescence. I think it would have been
easy to draft Angel Reese. I think it would have
been the easy thing to do, right and and when
when it's it's kind of when you get into a fight,
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maybe with a significant other, and you are probably in
the right, but you will apologize to make things good
because it's just it's it's fine. I'm rarely in the right, Carrie.
I'm just saying that, Yeah, I'm never rarely maybe maybe
once in a in a blue moon, but you do
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it for the sake of the household and where you
are at. And I think that she could do that.
That actually would be the easy thing to do. But
to not do that and to be like, yeah, I'm
not gonna put up when she's you know, if I
give her a hard follow and she's going to try
to get my face or she continues to talk, and
I think at some point, and I think that point
is now, is it actually benefits Clark as a post
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Angel Reese, Yeah, do you want to go to Iowa?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Ass I echo everything Jason said. I mean, she's when
she can, she's playing basketball and just doing her thing.
Everyone else is speaking on behalf of her, Like if
you have anything that's super popular, there's always going to
be a negative, there's always going to be detractors. I
think that even with it that sound bite we played
a few minutes ago, she made it fun and playful,
but I understand the reason why she did what she did,
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Like she wasn't entitled to go on the Olympic team,
but it was a massive mistake. Like there's there's there's
been mistakes made on decisions made on her behalf that
she had no control over, and they're in mistakes in hindsight.
But basically I think she's played everything very well. Just
like Jason said, I think if.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
People weren't so defensive, and Shechelle Reeve wasn't so defensive
in what her comments were that ended up seemingly attacking
Caitlin Clark. If you just if you're political and you
just say the right things, it's no harm, no foul,
but it felt like people were on the aggressive when
they would make these comments, and now it's coming back.
(15:39):
It's coming back to bite them one hundred percent. Last
year it was all personal.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean it had nothing to do with anything
but that, like people had their own egregious opinions about it,
all right, and it's it wasn't based off the basketball play.
It was based off their lack of satisfy, satisfy, satis.
Anything to work is faction, thank you, satisfaction with themselves
when they came to that store.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Carrie could not get no satisfaction, could not ah. He
could not find him on Axac Carrie twenty five Roads.
You could find me at Dan Byro on Fox, Iowa
Sam and Iowa Sam ninety nine and Jason Stewart at
Jason Stewart. I'll also add this because it is part
of the conversation. Today we found out that Angel Reese
is going to be one of the alternate covers on
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the NBA two K twenty six video game, becoming the
third WNBA star to be on an alternate cover. Candice
Parker was on one, Asia Wilson was on one. Where
is the outrage from all of the other WNBA stars
that they have not been on a cover before Angel
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Reese has. You're hearing crickets. You don't think Brianna Stewart
should have been on the cover before Angel Reese should.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
What about your Visa Collier, the Visa Colia. He's the
leading scorre of the WNBA. Yes, she won or she
was in the title game last year.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
The links, as someone pointed out, very nice of her
to wear her unrivaled shirt during the w NBA Draft
last night, the league that is kind of in competition
that she also plays in and she's a part of founding.
That was interesting. But there isn't this uproar that Angel
Reese is on the cover of a video game for
an alternate cover. Imagine what would have happened if Caitlyn
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Clark was on that cover. Is this the Beatles? Is
this the Beatles? Imagine? Imagine all the people. When I
looked at it, like you said, there was no outrays.
But I thought of it from a business perspective, Right.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The logical move, obviously, the one that everybody would expect
it to be is Caitlyn Clark. Right, there's this underlying
beef that's been ruined for since college right, And so
from a business standpoint, putting Angel Reese on the cover
to extend that conversation a little bit further and ruffle
a few more feathers actually brings more eyes to it.
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Right now, we're talking about it, right, So I if
it was from that perspect if I can understand. But
I also would want to know if they went to
Kaitlin Clark first and she turned it down like that
would be the things in my mind that I had
the uh that that Kvy spiked my attention.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Maybe Angel Reese is on the cover missing a shot. No,
I'm kidding. She's driving to the isn't it exercise is
missing riving to the basket. It's actually a similar look
than Shay Giljess Alexander is on his Carmelo Anthony is
the other alternate cover. These carry Roads I'm Dan Byer
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dan Byer on Fox. Chris Purfett will give us an
update from the news desk in about eight minutes or
so of what's happening in day baseball and what happened
at Wimbledon. Earlier today, we were just talking about the
Giants in a good way considering what they did last
night to the Phillies and having the walk off inside
the park home run. There's another side of what the
Giants are dealing with. They were in the news earlier
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the season after acquiring a disgruntled Rafael Devers from the
Boston Red Sox and hoping that everything a change of scenery,
everything was going to be AOKA. That wasn't necessarily the case,
as we are now coming to find out in San Francisco.
Even though Raffael Devers when he was introduced, said through
his interpreter that he's willing to do whatever he wants
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or can do to help the Giants play whatever position.
Kind of came to a shock to Red Sox fans.
Red Sox fans probably weren't shocked when they heard Will
Clark explain the most recent situation with Rafael Devers on
the Deuces Wild podcast that he hosts with Eric Burns.
Here's Will Clark talking about what was supposed to happen
(20:08):
as let's you say, Rafael Devers was supposed to get
some tips from Will Clark Friday, Saturday, Sunday. He did
not come out early at all, period, not at all.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Matter of fact, he didn't even hit on the field.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
But Rafael Devers, the next time I'm in San Francisco,
your ass will be on the field at first base.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Just letting you know that. Even if I got to go.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Grab you but back of the neck and drag your
ass out there, you will be at first base.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So Red Sons fans hear that and go, yes, thank you.
This is the Rafael Devers that we know as a
former athlete. How do you take that of devs not
wanting to learn the first base craft from one of
the greats of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
In Will Clark, it does reeks of selfish men. I
mean selfishness and entitledmentt right. Like, as a professional athlete, yes,
you have your skill set, you have your trade that
you're probably called up to the big leagues or any
professional sports league you know to do. That's your job.
(21:12):
We get it, You've done it forever. But the other
part of being a professional is adaptability, being able to
be ready to do whatever is needed for your team
to win. You think everybody was everybody that's played professionally
has been happy with being asked to move from from
corner to safety, or from quarterback to safety or whatever
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the position change entails. No, Like, everybody has an ego,
and it's healthy to have that. But if you're truly
a team player and somebody that's doing something for the
greater good, out the greater good of your team, outside
of your own selfish thoughts, you will be eager to
do whatever it takes to win. Plus you're not being
taken off the field, you're being moved to another position
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that still helps the team win. So for me, it's
just it just reeks up entitlement and selfishness, And I
hate it for players like this because later on, when
it's ten years down the line or you're out of
the sport, and you're looking at how you could have
maximized yourself and maximize your potential and even maximize your earnings.
To put yourself in a situation to go through something
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like this and hurt yourself in the in the immediacy
of right now. It sucks because as a pro being
removed from it and seeing like some things that I
made mistakes at right you would you would wish that
there was somebody in these guys' ears giving them, giving
them the right advice on how to how to handle
these moments right now.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who took you under their wing when you were in
the NFL or coming into the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, Curtis Martin right away, Like Curtis my favorite Martin
in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know. I came in, like I said, it was.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
It felt easy easy to me, and like rookie camps
and like the mini camps and stuff like that, where
I was like, oh, I can do I can do this.
I was meant to be a pro blah blah blah.
And you kind of walk in with that type of
energy and then you have the real guys come in,
the vets who have done it for a long time.
I mean, you feel how it's different immediately, and you
find yourself wanting to, Okay, all right, yes I have
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the athletic ability, but now I want to I want
to really learn how it is to be a pro
and to be really good at the craft. And then
you find a guy like Curtis Martin, and you know,
there's nothing bad said about the guy from anybody that
I know. You want to be around guys like that,
and so for me it was it was a Curtis Martin.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So Curtis Martin is your teammate in New York. Now
Will Clark isn't a teammate of Raphael Devers. And I
hated Will Clark when I was a kid. I don't
know unless you're a San Francisco Giant fan. I listen.
I was. I like the Astros and Brewers when I
was a kid. You know, Brewers Home Down team Astros
were at that time in a different well they are
right now in a different league. They both have switched leagues.
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But I couldn't stand Will Clark. I can't imagine what
it was like being a Dodger fan and watching Will
Clark play. But That's where I'm offended with all of
you hated Will Clark to Jason Stewart, I imagine.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Quite the opposite. It's real. It's a weird one for me.
So here's my personal story with Will Clark. I taught
myself how to switchheit and my left handed swing emulates
Will Clark. I've watched hours and hours of tape of him.
The way he swings the bat maybe the most beautiful
thing in baseball ever. So yeah, no, I had to
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reconcile that with him being a giant, but him as
an individual. That's why the story, maybe it pisses me
off a little bit more, is that he stood up
a guy that I remember looking up to so much.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And that's where I was going to the to the
place of Will Clark's not his teammate, like Raphael Devers
is gonna be probably the guy in the clubhouse. He wasn't.
He's not just a rookie being called up right, so
he feels that he's the guy. But you go to
a new team and you disrespect a legend within that team. Now,
(24:52):
I may not be to the level of Willie Mays
and Barry Bonds and Willie McCovey, but he is a
darn good player and a name that was represented with,
you know, in line with the San Francisco Giants. The
San Francisco Giants when I was growing up were Will
Clark and Jeffrey Leonard. Like, that's that's the Giants that
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I remember, at least, you know, in the late eighties
in them coming up. And so to have him disrespect
Will Clark, a member of the Giants family and do
it on three separate occasions Friday, I'm giving a huge
benefit of the doubt to be like, you know, it's different,
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blah blah blah, this happening. You know, I'll be able
to your Saturday and Sunday. But to not do it
for three straight games, Yeah, completely disrespectful. And and Boston
right now seemingly having the last laugh. And now you
look back at all the conversations of how did the
how did the Red Sox deal Rafael Devers? And how
did nobody else know about this? And how why wasn't
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there a bidding market from it? Like this may have
been another reflection why of the Red Sox just couldn't
wait to get him out of town because of stuff
like this?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, well, I mean, just for that instance alone with
the Will Clark situation. I mean, Raphael Devers doesn't have
to do that, so it's not also a something that's
mandatory that he has to do. Obviously, Will Clark wants to,
you know, give some assistance, help him out. You probably
give him some pointers and do the whole deal. And
you know, graciously you would think that Devs would be
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on board with that, But this isn't something that he
has to do. So this individual story doesn't irk me
as much as me seeing it from the outside end
as a player, knowing that all these instances add up
and people do keep count.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Just show up. Yeah, you know, it's all you had
to do. Like maybe we could have heard stuff like
you know, Will Clark didn't like his attitude, or Rafael
Devers didn't necessarily care. It's a whole completely different thing
than to just blow them off like you did for
three straight days.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Jason Carry, You're right, Like the entitlement also comes with
this too, right, Yeah, he's in the midst of a
three hundred and thirteen million dollar contract. Right, giants are
on their hook for two hundred and fifty million, And
like it speaks to that whole thing of like you
got to know who you're giving money to yes because
he's he's not. He's taken that attitude and now he's
empowered with the contract. So he pulled that maneuver in
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red with the Red Sox. It was totally selfish that
they traded him away, right, And then he gets to
the he's in the honeymoon phase and he's pulling the
same thing. And it also speaks to he doesn't have
the self awareness to know his limitations, like the reason
why they said we don't want you to play third
base anymore because we have somebody better. Right, you know
your limitations as a player you need to be aware of,
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especially with his contract. So they're so much to this
that I'm thinking the other twenty fourwer guys in that
in that clubhouse have got to be like, what the
hell is this guy's deal?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Exactly? I had a buddy who shall rename nameless, very
very short marriage, Like we're going to say, it didn't
last two months, and so like when he wows me
that it's not working, you know, I'm like, I was
just at your wedding, Like what are you talking about?
You know this is weeks later, right, and when when
did you when did you do you realize and he
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goes he goes on the honeymoon like like it's like
it started like right there, like right after the wedding,
like he felt that she became a different person. Whether
he was at fault, she was at fault, one of
the case was. But he said his first like thing
was at at the honeymoon, and so I'm like, wow,
even at the honeymoon, that happened. So that honeymoon phase
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is what you uh, yeah, wow, that happens. Life comes
at you fast, it does. It does.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And then when you get and when you when you're
when you're out of that situation and you have you
don't have the rolls colored glasses on anymore, and you
get to look at some of the mistakes and choices
you made as a as a human, then yeah, you'll
you'll you'll look back and say, I probably wish I
would have done something different.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
The Red Sox did not trade her to my buddy.
That could have also. I thought that next you should
have vetted her with her previous exes.
Speaker 7 (29:03):
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the midway in just a second. But the midway kind
of set up what happened last night in San Francisco.
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And when we say it was history, we don't mean
that it was the first time in history, but it
had been a while since something like this happened in
a Major League baseball game. Last night in San Francisco.
The Giants were trailing the Phillies, in the bottom of
the ninth inning by a score off three to one.
And then this happened.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Patrick hits a high drive deep right center field.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
This one is off the top of the wall and.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
It recashees and it's rolling on the lorning track.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Two runs around Bailey coming around third, Patrick Bailey.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Stores it's a inside.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
The park walk off home run.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Now we've seen everything. Canby are in the Giants radio network.
I know it hurts Jason Stewart with the survivor pool.
We are having a rough week in our Major League
Baseball survivor pools. Yes, teams like the Phillies in Thes
and the Astros just aren't coming through. But last night
the Giants come through get a four to three win
as Patrick Bailey had that inside the park home run.
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I mentioned Carrie that it's not the first time that
we have seen this in Major League Baseball. It's the
first walk off inside the park home run since twenty sixteen.
It's the first for the Giants. They had one previously
on Helbaganhead won in twenty thirteen, but Patrick Bailey became
the third catcher to accomplish the feat. This is where
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I think it's history Jeff Passing tweeted this last night,
but he was the first catcher to do so since
Benny Tait did so on August eleventh of nineteen twenty six.
And prior to that, Pat Moran of the Chicago Cubs
as their catcher, had an inside the park home run
August fourth, nineteen oh seven. So we're talking almost one
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hundred and twenty years of Major League baseball and this
was the third time that we had seen that sort
of play, a walk off inside the park home run
accomplished by a catcher, and it happened last night in
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, for a catcher to do it, it's obviously rare.
Catchers aren't known for their speed number one, so that's
probably thrown in the equation. But also, I mean, there's
really nothing better than an inside the park home run.
It takes you back to your childhood, right like you're
playing in the field with your friends and you just
hit the ball far enough where nobody else can catch
it and throw you out, and you run around all
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the bases and you get to throw it in their
faces a little bit that they couldn't get to the
ball like. It brings back that energy for me, but
as a professional team, it almost looks like Keystone Cops.
Like the ball hits off the back of the off
the wall, and Careen's to the left and the guys
running to the right and everybody's chasing the ball.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's kind of funny. It's kind of cool to see
on that aspect. I love it. And that's what I
texted Jason Stewart last night. This is why, this is
why major League baseball is great because you have funky
walls like I love that the Astros had a hill
in center field and the flag pole they took it out.
Neither are no longer there, but the flag pole was
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in play and there was a slight incline in dead
center field. I like the angle of what they have
in San Francisco because you get a ricochet like that,
and what it does is it brings into play my
thoughts of what does every player do in Major League baseball?
And Jason, I don't know if you're alongside this, but
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I thought to myself, what is the left fielder doing
because in all these plays, like you have backups and
this and that, so you have because the ball was
hit to the gap and right center and so the
right fielder's unable to get it. The center fielder overplayed
it because it hit the wall and ram past him.
What are you doing as a left fielder? Are you
doing your job? And it allowed Patrick Bailey to have
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that inside the park home run. But I think that's
what made major League baseball unique. And I'm like, Jesus,
is there a left fielder there to back them up?
And apparently there wasn't.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I think the fundamental was the leftfielder should be cruising
over he's got literally nothing else to do. Yeah, right,
that's the fundamental and he didn't last night.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Did they say that the last catcher to do so
was Benny Tate? Yes, good old Benny Tate. What was
that nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, I wonder if he knows old Obi won Tait.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Star Wars again? Maybe maybe Sam is this Star Wars?
Is this where we're going?
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Yes, it's the old ben Kenobi Obi.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Wan hey uh. Carrie says, it's the most exciting play
that you have in baseball? Is it? Is it the
most exciting play that we have in sports that brings
us our midway?
Speaker 9 (34:43):
He's not getting.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's time for.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
The midway.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Let's open those doors talking about exciting plays that we
have in sports. Inside the park home run. I will
also say this, when you have one in Little league,
it's usually because there were three errors committed. Right, Like,
he goes through the second baseman's legs, goes all the
way to the gap in the right fielder chucks it,
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misses the cutoff man, they try to throw at the
third and then it goes over the third basement's head
and the kid runs home and he tells all of
his friends. Yet and then to other park home run
it was it was never a home run. It was
an E five and E nine and e you know,
or like that's that's what it ended up being. But
most exciting place. You think it's the most exciting play
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in baseball inside the park home run? Yeah, I think
it's the most exciting.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I think that the next big the next closest to
that would be if you if you rob a guy
of a home run, you make a crazy catch at
the wall.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I think that's right up there with it. Interesting. I
never thought that climbed that wall. You gotta climb the wall,
remember Mike.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
That was like Mike Trout's first big moment on center
stage where he all knew Mike Trout's name, he went
flying up to rob a home run.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
In twenty twelve. Denzel Clark has been doing it for
the A's this season. Yep. You know what I like
in baseball? The triple play. You like the triple play.
I like the triple play because everything has to go
right or everything has to go wrong for the for
the team that gets caught in the triple play. You know,
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runners down first and second, ground ball down the third baseline,
boom boom boom, and it's like, wow, triple play to
in the inning or you run into it, and you
know for bad base running. Last night's was crazy like
and there isn't a normal inside the park home run. No,
I would put triple play up there, at least to
the sport of baseball. I don't know if it tops
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the inside the park home run.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I think the the actual like if you if you
took the this whole topic or the inside the park
are out of it for the past like forty years
or whatever. I think my answer to this question has
always been a triple in baseball is the most exciting sports.
And I'm not talking about just like a triple by anybody.
I'm in a triple by like those like high class speedsters,
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like remember Dion Sanders back in the day when he
came in. Andrew McCutcheon was like a sprinter when he
came in, seeing them hit that ball in the gap
and get to third and like record time. I think
Elie de la Cruz is the fastest runner in baseball
right now. So my specific exciting playing baseball, it has
to be a triple, a pure triple into the gap
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by one of the fastest runners in the game.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I don't think he gets any better than that, especially
if you see it in person. Hay, So don't get
Ricky Henderson now do He's amazing. I'm out there amazing.
I would say this as well. With a triple, you're
not You're not slow out of the box. Right there,
You're gone, you know, like because like otherwise you're not
gonna get it. Like to Jason's point, like you have
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to go. So it's right from the get go, and
you know that there's an opportunity and that then puts
pressure on the outfielders.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, those got guys who Jason is and speaking of
right now, they know if they make contact and it
goes in the gap. They're sprinting out anyway they're trying
and to push. There's never a single in their mind.
They're at least pushing for two. So I get it.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm curious that there are other baseball scenarios. I think
triple's great. I think the robbing of the home run.
This may not fit our category, but I just want
to bring it up. When someone is just shy of
whatever hit for the cycle and there's an opportunity for it.
Usually if it's usually triple is the one that's the
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toughest to get. But if you need a double, triple
or home run and you're watching and there's an opportunity
for it, for that brief moment, it's pretty exciting because
you're like, Wow, it could actually happen. Like the easiest
way to do it would be to have the double
triple at home run. Then you get up, you just
slap a single in the right field and have your cycle.
But that's not normally how it is, so there is
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some drama in trying to complete the cycle when you
have to get that extra base hit.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Well, think about it, and you said the hardest thing
to achieve would be the triple. I would say the
hardest thing in the league to get is an inside
the park home run. So I think they're like the
same in the same breath, because it takes skill to
do both. But it also there's a little bit of
luck and excitement with that extra hitting off the wall
and carry him to the left and the team and
the guy at scores, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And that's what would put it over the top for me.
I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah's we can even
expand this outside of baseball. I don't know if you
guys love it or not. I don't know if it's
the most exciting, but any end of a quarter in
the NBA game or any end of the half, I
always watch to see the last the keave from sixty
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five feet out, and it's every cameraman's duty to get
that last second shot. If it's just a throw in
to try to see if somebody makes it from seventy
eight feet, I do it. If it's the end of
the quarter, I will watch it, will not turn away.
I want to see if somebody makes that half court
shot or that three quarters court shot. I love that
in basketball. I don't know how many great, amazing plays
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there are in basketball, the most exciting plays in basketball.
But I love the last second shots at the end
of quarters and halves.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Did you see earlier in the week the news that
they're not going to count those last second heaves as
individual misses on your futeral No, don't say that, Lea.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It just changed the rule. I was about to bring
this up.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I was thinking, those those very well known field goal
percentage champions of the past, are they going to like,
are they going to put asterisks on the new guys? Yeah,
but they didn't count. They counted the heaves for when
I played.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Exactly. Barkley and Shaq will be complaining about it at
their new home, espnrrible, that it's terrible. I here's the
other aspect of it. It's just as good when it
hits the shot clock as it is going in, Like
when it's so far off, like not even close. That's
even just funny to me to think, like, really, that's
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how far you felt that you needed to throw it,
so it hits the thing that's twenty five feet above
the actual hoop itself. I like that in basket, You
like that in basketball? What about your guys? Nobody likes
the the Hail Mary at all.
Speaker 8 (41:07):
I was gonna say, I've been sitting here racking my
brain on the best play, the best play, what it
would be in football? The Hail Mary is great, don't
get me wrong, But I think the most exciting plays
and it's funny because I keep seeing people wanting to
kill these off. They all happen on special teams because
either it's a punt for it's either a kickoff return
for a touchdown. I think one of my favorite plays
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all time was like the kick six, which is a
you know, a missed field goal getting returned for a touchdown.
But I think I think I've found one, and I
have a specific one in mind, and it is a
blocked punt where the ball is returned for a touchdown.
In case we have all forgotten. Thanks to ESPN, WHOA
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he has trouble with a scrap and the ball is
free hits picked up by Michigan States.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Jalen watched Jack said, I love this highlight. I know
you will.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Sean McDonough love it.
Speaker 8 (42:03):
His voice cracking. But that's the fun you get when
because usually it is it's such a hard thing, right
to set up for a field goal to set up
for a punt. You're under so much pressure just to
do this one thing, this one thing, and it takes
one guy jumping off the sleds to blow who can
blow it up? Not just blow it up, but then
he takes it the other way for six points. That
is I'm out of my shit. I love about the
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blocked punt. You know, it's not necessarily the touchdown portion
of it, but it's the poop of the block that
you hear from thee.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Oh yeah, you are taking a heavy hit with that
can I So it was an Iowa at Penn State
two thousand and nine and they had one of those
aerial cameras over a routine special teams play and Iowa's
giant defensive end Adrian Clayborne, they like follow him as
a bird's eye view. He blocks it himself, gets it
on the bounce, and takes it for a blocked punt
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for us.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
That's that's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (42:57):
A lot of these guys are out there who are
out there to block to punt or to block a
field goal. They are famously not usually they're just big
guys too. They're not being put out there to be
hyper athletic. They're out there to block something with the
mass their body, and if they grab that and take
it the other way, yeah, watch out.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
If you have a blocked field goal. There's also the
possibility of the lateral to the faster guy. Yes, yeah,
you know that adds something to it. But I think
like the punt is way more you know, way more rare, hey, Dan,
than that. Yes, we were, me.
Speaker 6 (43:29):
And Jason were talking about this and we actually found
a very old clip in the system.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Maybe you'd like to hear it.
Speaker 9 (43:35):
Well, Hire State, Well they have Brian Heartline and racemall
back to weight. Jake Kilroy's punt. He is a soft
four from Millersburg, Ohio on the game, and he's averaging
thirty eight point two on the season. Gets this punt
off from his thirty seven hangs a nice high one
that heartline will make a catch at the ten of
Ohio State moving backwards to a sixth now turns it
right side to the ten fifteen heartline to the twenty
twenty five thirty thirty five heartline down the right sideline
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middle of meal fifty forty thirty five heartline. Behint another
blocker pimp p FI punch down.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Bryan heart Line that it's just it, bils so beautiful
punt return.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
This is this is what I like about football things
all the time. It's the countdown. Forty fifty Yeah, forty
thirty ten. My buddy one said, to the forty, to
the fifty fifty five, I could.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Fifty. He told me that because you wouldn't believe what
I did tonight.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
He's on, Hey, Kerry, have you ever returned a punt
for a kick in any level?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, a punt for a touchdown. It's got to be exhilarating. Yeah.
And when I was nine, Oh that didn't count? Did it?
Did it count? Sure that.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I also bought a punt against Army with my head,
which wasn't what's fun at all. I got there so
fast that I extended my hands out and missed the
ball and he kicked my head.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm not even joking. Like I was out like a light.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
You got the The ball didn't go far, so I
was good, but I was out the rest of that
game for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm going to YouTube Carrier Roads kicked in the head,
watched arm Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, football, you're right,
I think Christy. It's a good point. I would say
that the non special teams, there is something about a safety.
It's a little different. It's not more exciting than an
inside the park home run or a triple or bat.
But I do like there is the safety because there
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is anticipation. You're backed up, there's something you know, there's
pressure going on. You get the quarterback, there is a
built up anticipation. You're submitting your opponent too. You start
like pushing them.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
It's like a wrestling move, like you're pushing them out
of the ring or you're getting them into a pin
and then they're stuck in the end zone. Then they
have to give you two points or you get two
points out of it, and it's give you the ball back.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Like a hole in one, Like if you have a
hole in one when you're playing at the Waste Management
Open in Phoenix on the sixteenth hole, like it's it's
absolutely berserk. Yeah, that sounds very specific. Well, just because
you have the crowd around you, which leads up to
the point is I've never had a hole in one
in golf in my life. I saw one a couple
of years ago. There was a USGA girls event at
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bel Air Country Club and it was the first time
I'd ever seen it. I'd never been in a group
when someone had made a hole in one in our group,
and it was it was a bit of like shock.
But when there were only like fifteen people around and
the person that did it was one hundred and sixty
yards away that they don't necessarily know, it was really
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really cool. It was really really neat to see. But
it didn't happen to me, and there wasn't like that again,
there wasn't like there weren't like five thousand fans around
to go crazy. It was I don't want to say
it didn't live up to the excitement, because it was
still very cool to see. Anytime that a ball goes in,
you're like whoa, whoa, But it was it was a
different feat.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And it was only fifteen people there, So who's to
say you didn't do it. I'm just saying that I
was watching. I was watching. I was there as a
meet A member. The funny thing was is I was
just taking video of like the course and the pictures
and stuff. I recorded the shot before that just for
my own like records to and I didn't record the
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next person who went up and had a hole in one.
It was still really really cool, but it was just
a different feeling than what I thought I was Sam.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Did you guys growing up?
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Like in our local newspaper there would be little blurbs
of like, yes, John Anderson was at Brown Deer golf
course and he witnessed Elliott Yes, you know Elliott Smith
or I don't know, some ran get a hole in
one and you had to have like a witness, And
then it was in the paper.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yes I do, And you do have to have a witness.
You have to have somebody playing with you. Now, just
being on your phone and being like I'm playing up
by myself. I think I got a hole in one
just doesn't necessarily got it. You need that witness. Then
you also have to buy drinks for someone. And there
are a lot of other sports different, you know, things
that can happen in an instance. And I bring up
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the hole in one with the specifics of what that is,
but you could have the inside the park home run
at any ballpark. Yeah, that there is any more that
we're leaving on the table.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
I thought of something so I don't think we could
have done this one even ten years ago. This is
it seems like I could say modern day phenomenon, I
think with analytics and everything, but like the pull up
on a fast break logo three in basketball, that does
something for me, Like I like, I don't know, I
don't know what that is, especially if it's Kaitlin Clark
or in a big moment, like it's just I guess
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because you grew up. You know, I'm fifty two years old.
You grew up. You're like, oh, that's a horrible shot.
Yeah yeah, but now it's more than acceptable. And then
when it goes in, you're like, heck, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah. I think that there absolutely is a rush to that.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
I'm also a fast break of the I'm also a
fan of the fast break allue.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I think that can just get the crowd. Someone mentioned
that already.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
I'm sorry, but that can get really get the crowd going,
just like heaving it down there and Caitlyn Clark does
that too, and then someone just breakaway.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
In hockey, like or a penalty shot in hockey. I think, like,
you know, the end edipation, that build up of it,
and what you have is you know, breakaway and soccer
the same deal. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Nonger has some no one said the game when shot like,
it's the shot clocks winding down and you take the
last shot and win it at the buzzer.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
That doesn't what's the old what's the old tweet? How's
the house? It go? Like?
Speaker 8 (49:18):
Why watch overtime playoff hockey when you could just simply
snort cocaine and ride a motorcycle out of an out
of a helicopter exactly? Well, one of those guys was
off for a goal for like game seven. It's like, why.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Every single possession it sounds like a rush, Yes, sounds
like a rush. Yes. I still like the seventy five footer.
You know, you like the heat, you know, launch it
even if it doesn't count. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
It went in man like it is babies and old
women getting hurt by those things. Those gonna be some
grenades coming over there over the time.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
A Happy Wednesday and the WNBA. I never thought I
would say this, the gift that keeps on giving. Carry
ro one d in a time where baseball is about
to cruise into an All Star break, NBA free agency
is really slowed down, and we're still a few weeks
away from NFL training camps. It's the WNBA that pumps
the blood of sports fans, maybe just more of the
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drama that's going on in the WNBA. We are about
to dive in carry up at Carrie twenty five Roads.
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox Chiefs GM.
Brett Veach had something very interesting to say about one
of his star players. We'll dive into that in about
twenty minutes or so. Plus it's a Wednesday, so you
know it's time for the Midway. Jason and Stewart is
here as is Iowa. Sam Chris Burffett will give us
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all the breaking news we need, plus the updates throughout
the day. But the latest update that we have on
the WNBA is the All Star Game is coming up,
and last night they had a draft of the All
Star players, with Nafisa Kllier being one of the captains
of one of the All Star teams and Indiana Fever
guard Caitlin Clark being the captain of the other team.
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And we've seen this draft process go on before Kerry
where in the NBA, Giannis and Lebron have drafted, and
it was nice for a while, but then it got
a little bit old. There's more drama on who is
the first pick and who's the last picked in the
middle that kind of kind of settles out. But I
thought that last night's WNBA draft draft All Star Game
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draft provided some interesting, let's just call them drama threads
throughout that for some reason, keep this league just pumping
and pumping with attention and excitement.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you'll have to break down all the little details
of what happened in that draft. I do know that
you know, I guess the fallout. The immediate fallout was
everybody who had beef or had some type of tiff
with the great Kaitlyn Clark was not on her team.
I saw that, and there's more to that story. I
want you to break it down a little bit more
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for me, Dan, but that was my immediate thing. Nobody
that she had beef with on her time.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think it's I think it's an opportunity for Kaitlyn
Clark to now stand up for herself, and I feel
that she's doing it in a way that isn't in
your face and telling everybody about it. But I found
it very interesting. Now, Brianna Stewart initially had comments when
Clark was coming into the NBA because there was a
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lot of question on was Kitlyn Clark the greatest college
basketball player that we've ever seen? Yeah, And there was
a lot of people were saying, well, Brianna Stewart is
look at what she did at yukon all of her accolades.
Clark won a national championship. So Brianna Stewart was kind
of thrown into the mix. I think that Caitlyn Clark
and Brianna Stewart have a good relationship. Yes, And even
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throughout this back and forth that was going on. Caitlyn
Clark even said, Hey, I'll try to acquire Brianna Stewart
if you can, you know, bring her on my team.
And if he's Collier's like, I'm not going to trade,
I'm not going to trade her. But still, Briana Stewart
is not on Caitlin Clark's name. The most recent thing
that we saw was at crypto dot com in Los
Angeles when Kelsey Plum of the Los Angeles Sparks went
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up to a fan who was wearing a Caitlin Clark
T shirt and gave her the an LA Sparks T
shirt instead of the Caitlin Clark shirt that the fan
was wearing and said, make sure that that doesn't happen again.
And then, most notably, Angel Reese was not drafted by
Kitlyn Clark, and there is an opportunity for Caitlyn Clark.
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I think if she wanted to make good and she
could have drafted Angel Reese as part of a team,
but that would have soothed things over. But I don't know.
I don't think that Caitlin Clark should do that. I
don't think Caton Clark has to do that right And
in a way I'm now wondering because Caitlyn Clark is
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on this certain trajectory that I don't believe that Angel
Reese is not, although NBA two K may tell you otherwise.
But maybe it's even better for now Caitlin Clark to
leave Angel Reese in the dust. But the fact of
the matter is is Caitlin Clark did not pick Angel
Reach last night as part of the NBA Draft or
the All Star Game w NBA Draft.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Well, for Kitlyn Clark to leave Angel Rees and the dust,
she needs to be healthy and on the court playing basketball.
I mean, obviously the hyperbole of all of this is,
I mean, we know that Caitlin Clark's a better player
all around player, but she's not. She hasn't been on
the court this year, right and when she's played, she's
been up and down this year. So for me, they
both had their moments. Obviously when you talk about you
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know who's going to.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Be worth moments Angel Reese had.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
She's had double doubles that she continues to do. That
streak is still one of those things that's alive. I
know she's not the best as far as finishing around
that who we all know that. I mean, that's everything
I can see it. But what has Kaitlyn Clark doing.
She's shot poorly from the three, She's turned the ball over,
and when she's played, her team hasn't won as much
as she should like. This team is coming into the year,
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should be one of the favorites and they're sitting around
five hundred. So I'm talking about from the overall scope
of looking at both of them right now in this moment,
they're both two time All Stars. Kaitlyn Clark is the
more polished player. There's no question she is the face
and can be the face of the WNBA. She's not
the face. Agel Wilson's the face, but Kaitlyn Clark is
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the person that brings in, brings in the outside casual
fans of the game. So there is still some stuff
still to be determined here as far as the product
on the court in my.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Opinion, Okay, so you think that it's the gap is
not as wide between Kaitlyn Clark and Angel Reache.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
At the present moment, meaning what they put out even
after she's bricking shot after shot and getting her own rebound,
and sure Kaitlyn Clark isn't hitting her shots either. I'm
just saying right now, the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
And you think Asia Wilson's the face of the WNBA
right now, Yes, she's the best player in the league.
Well that's different than the face of the.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
And I just said, and I said that before I say,
Kaitlin Clark is still the will be the face.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, but Angel Wilson is the best player. So yeah,
I don't argue with that portion of it. But in
terms of what we recognize with the league, I do
think that it's Caitlin Clark. And I thought Caitlin Clark
did a really good job last night in trying to
make that broadcast bearable because it's not an easy thing
to do. You have to make it exciting. You have to,
you know, be energetic. And the most energetic point came
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when I think, aside from Angel Reese, who hasn't necessarily
thrown direct shade on Caitlin Clark's game, but just throughout
her career as either taunted or said other things, tried
to be part of the conversation. Cheryl Reeve is the
Minnesota Links head coach, and she was going to be
the head coach of Kaitlyn Clark's team until this happened.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
To be completely honest, I love my team. I think
they're great. I don't have any intentions of really trading
any of them. I don't know if this is in
the rules. I don't really care, but I think we've
already discussed we are going to trade coaches. If he's
going to take her coach, Sandy Brondelo, let's get it
would be amazing. Sorry WNBA if that's not in the rule,
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I'm sorry ESPN if that's not in the rules, but
we just made it a rule now, So Sandy Brondelo,
come on over, get to it. You can coach Sabrina.
So therefore, maybe Stewie wants to come on over to
my team, Well, let me know you want to give
me Stewie no.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
So there there was the Brianna Stewart aspect of it,
but let's be real. They didn't swap coaches. So and
if he'sa and Collier could be coached by her head coach,
they swapped coaches because Caitlyn Clark didn't want to deal
with Cheryl Reeve, who had a lot of comments to
say about the Olympic team in it. Other points throughout
the WNBA season, Caitlin Clark wanting no part of the
Minnesota Links head coach.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The crazy part about what we're talking about right now
is it is very interesting, Like I'm really I'm really
enamored with I guess the attention that this is all
bringing in, and I think it's fun for the sport.
I think it's good for the sport as well. I
actually think it's fun that she didn't draft Angel Reese. Yes,
and like keep that bruin. I mean, even if it's
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not a real thing, like we see it that way, right,
so run with it.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I think I think a couple of things have now happened.
The tide is turned, and while not everything is on
Caitlin Clark's side, she's in a much better position now
as a second year professional in the WNBA than in
year one. I actually think now it can benefit Caitlin
Clark to have this beef. I felt up until this
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point recently everybody else who had hated on Caitlin Clark
had tried to do it to benefit themselves. So then
when Sophie Cunningham does the shove of the Connecticut's son
Jace Sheldon, and now Sophie Cunningham has shirts and jerseys
being sold out on fanatics and has become a social
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media star like that was a tide turner as well.
That changed part of the narrative. If I'm Kitlin Clark,
not only am I now trying to keep this narrative,
but she's sticking up for herself. And not that she
didn't do it last year, but I think it was
difficult when there were so many things coming at her.
Now I think she feels empowered now she has people
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on her side and has the ability to make a
move like this, to trade the All Star coach that
had talked ish about her and put her on the
other team. And I'll tell you what for what Cheryl
Reevens said previously about Kitlyn Clark. I'm not saying that
she needs to kiss the ring, but you're never going
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to escape that when you went out of your way
to try to be negative and to try to prove
a point. I think now that the tables have turned,
I think some people are really going to regret the
stuff that they said about Gitland Clark because now the
power seems to be in Clark's hands.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Oh yeah, I mean, everybody's find finding out that when
Caitlyn Clark plays, and she plays well, the league is
a better league, and if she doesn't, and the vitual
that comes towards her isn't warranted, like you're you're the
one that's going to catch the flag. Now, nobody's actually
looking at Caitlyn Clark and thinking that she's a minus
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when it comes to that league, right correct, There's nothing
about her that's a minus when it comes to that league.
So the power that she is in, the power that
she possesses, as you know, one of the best players
in that game and the face of that league, you
cannot you can't take shots at that unwarranted. I mean,
people will come after you and you will be you know,
put on this level play and field with her and
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actually have to answer to those remarks. And that's not
a safe space to be in. Right now, there's critiques.
Doug Gottlieb on this show is critiqued Caitlin Clark's jump shot. Yeah,
and they said, like this needs work. That isn't in
an unnecessary shot.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
That's basketball analysis, and I think basketball analysis is fair.
But there were a lot of people who tried to
pile on and take their shots and say what they
had to say just because they wanted to be a
part of the conversation or they wanted their you know,
pound of flesh. Right, And now I think the tables
have turned. I don't think that it's completely on Caitlin
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Clark's side, but number one, I feel she's way more
empowered than she was a year ago. And number two,
I think she can use all of this negativity to
her advantage.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
For sure, you saw the Carolyn Peck comments about her.
Oh yeah, yeah, so that was another one that was
just recent and right. Obviously, again, if she's playing, she's
not going to set herself up for those type of remarks,
right Like now, when you're not playing and you're not
playing your best when you went out, people feel that
there is some validation there. And that's kind of what
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I'm talking about. At the moment of talking about the
gap between her and you know, Angel or whatever, there
is a gap.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We know that.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I mean, Kaitlin Clark's a better player, but at the moment,
they're both two time All Stars, and they're both on
teams that aren't like they're underachieved, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I would be remiss if I did not go to
Jason Stewart and Iowa sam our resident Kitlyn Clark fan club,
coming from two different directions. I do want to start
with you, Jason. Last night, you see Kitlyn Clark give
the stiff arm to Cheryl Reeve and all these other
other players. As a resident Kaitlyn Clark watcher in watching
all of her games, did you feel a tide turning
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last night? Or have you felt this tide turning that
we've been talking about kind of?
Speaker 5 (12:37):
You know, just to back up a little bit, I'm
all about what Caitlyn is doing, whoever is informing her
of her decisions, messaging wise, attitude wise, everything has been
spot on, starting with her turning down that stupid three
on three week. They needed her much more than she
needed them. She said no thanks, and they're worse off
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for it and they know it too. So starting then,
she's been making great decision after a great decision. She
really she's kind of allowed everyone else to do her talking,
especially even during the injury. Here, the ratings are doing
the talking, the interest in the league is doing the talking,
and it's loudly telling us that the league just doesn't
move the needle without her. And then last night just
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confirmed that she's just making good decisions. I want to
rid my life of the negativity. I want to move
on with the positivity, and I will let everything else
do the talking for me.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Makes sense absolutely, But I think she could also do
the talking with these actions. I just I don't think
it was a quintescence. I think it would have been
easy to draft Angel Reese. I think it would have
been the easy thing to do, right and and when
when it's it's kind of when you get into a fight,
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maybe with a significant other, and you are probably in
the right, but you will apologize to make things good
because it's just it's it's fine. I'm rarely in the right, Carrie.
I'm just saying that, Yeah, I'm never rarely maybe maybe
once in a in a blue moon, but you do
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it for the sake of the household and where you
are at. And I think that she could do that.
That actually would be the easy thing to do. But
to not do that and to be like, yeah, I'm
not gonna put up when she's you know, if I
give her a hard follow and she's going to try
to get my face or she continues to talk, and
I think at some point, and I think that point
is now, is it actually benefits Clark as a post
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Angel Reese, Yeah, do you want to go to Iowa?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Ass I echo everything Jason said. I mean, she's when
she can, she's playing basketball and just doing her thing.
Everyone else is speaking on behalf of her, Like if
you have anything that's super popular, there's always going to
be a negative, there's always going to be detractors. I
think that even with it that sound bite we played
a few minutes ago, she made it fun and playful,
but I understand the reason why she did what she did,
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Like she wasn't entitled to go on the Olympic team,
but it was a massive mistake. Like there's there's there's
been mistakes made on decisions made on her behalf that
she had no control over, and they're in mistakes in hindsight.
But basically I think she's played everything very well. Just
like Jason said, I think if.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
People weren't so defensive, and Shechelle Reeve wasn't so defensive
in what her comments were that ended up seemingly attacking
Caitlin Clark. If you just if you're political and you
just say the right things, it's no harm, no foul,
but it felt like people were on the aggressive when
they would make these comments, and now it's coming back.
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It's coming back to bite them one hundred percent. Last
year it was all personal.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, I mean it had nothing to do with anything
but that, like people had their own egregious opinions about it,
all right, and it's it wasn't based off the basketball play.
It was based off their lack of satisfy, satisfy, satis.
Anything to work is faction, thank you, satisfaction with themselves
when they came to that store.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Carrie could not get no satisfaction, could not ah. He
could not find him on Axac Carrie twenty five Roads.
You could find me at Dan Byro on Fox, Iowa
Sam and Iowa Sam ninety nine and Jason Stewart at
Jason Stewart. I'll also add this because it is part
of the conversation. Today we found out that Angel Reese
is going to be one of the alternate covers on
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the NBA two K twenty six video game, becoming the
third WNBA star to be on an alternate cover. Candice
Parker was on one, Asia Wilson was on one. Where
is the outrage from all of the other WNBA stars
that they have not been on a cover before Angel
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Reese has. You're hearing crickets. You don't think Brianna Stewart
should have been on the cover before Angel Reese should.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
What about your Visa Collier, the Visa Colia. He's the
leading scorre of the WNBA. Yes, she won or she
was in the title game last year.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
The links, as someone pointed out, very nice of her
to wear her unrivaled shirt during the w NBA Draft
last night, the league that is kind of in competition
that she also plays in and she's a part of founding.
That was interesting. But there isn't this uproar that Angel
Reese is on the cover of a video game for
an alternate cover. Imagine what would have happened if Caitlyn
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Clark was on that cover. Is this the Beatles? Is
this the Beatles? Imagine? Imagine all the people. When I
looked at it, like you said, there was no outrays.
But I thought of it from a business perspective, Right.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The logical move, obviously, the one that everybody would expect
it to be is Caitlyn Clark. Right, there's this underlying
beef that's been ruined for since college right, And so
from a business standpoint, putting Angel Reese on the cover
to extend that conversation a little bit further and ruffle
a few more feathers actually brings more eyes to it.
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Right now, we're talking about it, right, So I if
it was from that perspect if I can understand. But
I also would want to know if they went to
Kaitlin Clark first and she turned it down like that
would be the things in my mind that I had
the uh that that Kvy spiked my attention.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Maybe Angel Reese is on the cover missing a shot. No,
I'm kidding. She's driving to the isn't it exercise is
missing riving to the basket. It's actually a similar look
than Shay Giljess Alexander is on his Carmelo Anthony is
the other alternate cover. These carry Roads I'm Dan Byer
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dan Byer on Fox. Chris Purfett will give us an
update from the news desk in about eight minutes or
so of what's happening in day baseball and what happened
at Wimbledon. Earlier today, we were just talking about the
Giants in a good way considering what they did last
night to the Phillies and having the walk off inside
the park home run. There's another side of what the
Giants are dealing with. They were in the news earlier
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the season after acquiring a disgruntled Rafael Devers from the
Boston Red Sox and hoping that everything a change of scenery,
everything was going to be AOKA. That wasn't necessarily the case,
as we are now coming to find out in San Francisco.
Even though Raffael Devers when he was introduced, said through
his interpreter that he's willing to do whatever he wants
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or can do to help the Giants play whatever position.
Kind of came to a shock to Red Sox fans.
Red Sox fans probably weren't shocked when they heard Will
Clark explain the most recent situation with Rafael Devers on
the Deuces Wild podcast that he hosts with Eric Burns.
Here's Will Clark talking about what was supposed to happen
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as let's you say, Rafael Devers was supposed to get
some tips from Will Clark Friday, Saturday, Sunday. He did
not come out early at all, period, not at all.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
Matter of fact, he didn't even hit on the field.
Speaker 8 (20:20):
But Rafael Devers, the next time I'm in San Francisco,
your ass will be on the field at first base.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Just letting you know that. Even if I got to go.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Grab you but back of the neck and drag your
ass out there, you will be at first base.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So Red Sons fans hear that and go, yes, thank you.
This is the Rafael Devers that we know as a
former athlete. How do you take that of devs not
wanting to learn the first base craft from one of
the greats of the game.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
In Will Clark, it does reeks of selfish men. I
mean selfishness and entitledmentt right. Like, as a professional athlete, yes,
you have your skill set, you have your trade that
you're probably called up to the big leagues or any
professional sports league you know to do. That's your job.
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We get it, You've done it forever. But the other
part of being a professional is adaptability, being able to
be ready to do whatever is needed for your team
to win. You think everybody was everybody that's played professionally
has been happy with being asked to move from from
corner to safety, or from quarterback to safety or whatever
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the position change entails. No, Like, everybody has an ego,
and it's healthy to have that. But if you're truly
a team player and somebody that's doing something for the
greater good, out the greater good of your team, outside
of your own selfish thoughts, you will be eager to
do whatever it takes to win. Plus you're not being
taken off the field, you're being moved to another position
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that still helps the team win. So for me, it's
just it just reeks up entitlement and selfishness, And I
hate it for players like this because later on, when
it's ten years down the line or you're out of
the sport, and you're looking at how you could have
maximized yourself and maximize your potential and even maximize your earnings.
To put yourself in a situation to go through something
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like this and hurt yourself in the in the immediacy
of right now. It sucks because as a pro being
removed from it and seeing like some things that I
made mistakes at right you would you would wish that
there was somebody in these guys' ears giving them, giving
them the right advice on how to how to handle
these moments right now.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Who took you under their wing when you were in
the NFL or coming into the NFL.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, Curtis Martin right away, Like Curtis my favorite Martin
in New York.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know. I came in, like I said, it was.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
It felt easy easy to me, and like rookie camps
and like the mini camps and stuff like that, where
I was like, oh, I can do I can do this.
I was meant to be a pro blah blah blah.
And you kind of walk in with that type of
energy and then you have the real guys come in,
the vets who have done it for a long time.
I mean, you feel how it's different immediately, and you
find yourself wanting to, Okay, all right, yes I have
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the athletic ability, but now I want to I want
to really learn how it is to be a pro
and to be really good at the craft. And then
you find a guy like Curtis Martin, and you know,
there's nothing bad said about the guy from anybody that
I know. You want to be around guys like that,
and so for me it was it was a Curtis Martin.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So Curtis Martin is your teammate in New York. Now
Will Clark isn't a teammate of Raphael Devers. And I
hated Will Clark when I was a kid. I don't
know unless you're a San Francisco Giant fan. I listen.
I was. I like the Astros and Brewers when I
was a kid. You know, Brewers Home Down team Astros
were at that time in a different well they are
right now in a different league. They both have switched leagues.
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But I couldn't stand Will Clark. I can't imagine what
it was like being a Dodger fan and watching Will
Clark play. But That's where I'm offended with all of
you hated Will Clark to Jason Stewart, I imagine.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Quite the opposite. It's real. It's a weird one for me.
So here's my personal story with Will Clark. I taught
myself how to switchheit and my left handed swing emulates
Will Clark. I've watched hours and hours of tape of him.
The way he swings the bat maybe the most beautiful
thing in baseball ever. So yeah, no, I had to
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reconcile that with him being a giant, but him as
an individual. That's why the story, maybe it pisses me
off a little bit more, is that he stood up
a guy that I remember looking up to so much.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
And that's where I was going to the to the
place of Will Clark's not his teammate, like Raphael Devers
is gonna be probably the guy in the clubhouse. He wasn't.
He's not just a rookie being called up right, so
he feels that he's the guy. But you go to
a new team and you disrespect a legend within that team. Now,
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I may not be to the level of Willie Mays
and Barry Bonds and Willie McCovey, but he is a
darn good player and a name that was represented with,
you know, in line with the San Francisco Giants. The
San Francisco Giants when I was growing up were Will
Clark and Jeffrey Leonard. Like, that's that's the Giants that
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I remember, at least, you know, in the late eighties
in them coming up. And so to have him disrespect
Will Clark, a member of the Giants family and do
it on three separate occasions Friday, I'm giving a huge
benefit of the doubt to be like, you know, it's different,
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blah blah blah, this happening. You know, I'll be able
to your Saturday and Sunday. But to not do it
for three straight games, Yeah, completely disrespectful. And and Boston
right now seemingly having the last laugh. And now you
look back at all the conversations of how did the
how did the Red Sox deal Rafael Devers? And how
did nobody else know about this? And how why wasn't
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there a bidding market from it? Like this may have
been another reflection why of the Red Sox just couldn't
wait to get him out of town because of stuff
like this?
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, well, I mean, just for that instance alone with
the Will Clark situation. I mean, Raphael Devers doesn't have
to do that, so it's not also a something that's
mandatory that he has to do. Obviously, Will Clark wants to,
you know, give some assistance, help him out. You probably
give him some pointers and do the whole deal. And
you know, graciously you would think that Devs would be
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on board with that, But this isn't something that he
has to do. So this individual story doesn't irk me
as much as me seeing it from the outside end
as a player, knowing that all these instances add up
and people do keep count.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Just show up. Yeah, you know, it's all you had
to do. Like maybe we could have heard stuff like
you know, Will Clark didn't like his attitude, or Rafael
Devers didn't necessarily care. It's a whole completely different thing
than to just blow them off like you did for
three straight days.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Jason Carry, You're right, Like the entitlement also comes with
this too, right, Yeah, he's in the midst of a
three hundred and thirteen million dollar contract. Right, giants are
on their hook for two hundred and fifty million, And
like it speaks to that whole thing of like you
got to know who you're giving money to yes because
he's he's not. He's taken that attitude and now he's
empowered with the contract. So he pulled that maneuver in
(27:19):
red with the Red Sox. It was totally selfish that
they traded him away, right, And then he gets to
the he's in the honeymoon phase and he's pulling the
same thing. And it also speaks to he doesn't have
the self awareness to know his limitations, like the reason
why they said we don't want you to play third
base anymore because we have somebody better. Right, you know
your limitations as a player you need to be aware of,
(27:42):
especially with his contract. So they're so much to this
that I'm thinking the other twenty fourwer guys in that
in that clubhouse have got to be like, what the
hell is this guy's deal?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Exactly? I had a buddy who shall rename nameless, very
very short marriage, Like we're going to say, it didn't
last two months, and so like when he wows me
that it's not working, you know, I'm like, I was
just at your wedding, Like what are you talking about?
You know this is weeks later, right, and when when
did you when did you do you realize and he
(28:12):
goes he goes on the honeymoon like like it's like
it started like right there, like right after the wedding,
like he felt that she became a different person. Whether
he was at fault, she was at fault, one of
the case was. But he said his first like thing
was at at the honeymoon, and so I'm like, wow,
even at the honeymoon, that happened. So that honeymoon phase
(28:34):
is what you uh, yeah, wow, that happens. Life comes
at you fast, it does. It does.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
And then when you get and when you when you're
when you're out of that situation and you have you
don't have the rolls colored glasses on anymore, and you
get to look at some of the mistakes and choices
you made as a as a human, then yeah, you'll
you'll you'll look back and say, I probably wish I
would have done something different.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
The Red Sox did not trade her to my buddy.
That could have also. I thought that next you should
have vetted her with her previous exes.
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the midway in just a second. But the midway kind
of set up what happened last night in San Francisco.
(30:03):
And when we say it was history, we don't mean
that it was the first time in history, but it
had been a while since something like this happened in
a Major League baseball game. Last night in San Francisco.
The Giants were trailing the Phillies, in the bottom of
the ninth inning by a score off three to one.
And then this happened.
Speaker 8 (30:21):
Patrick hits a high drive deep right center field.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
This one is off the top of the wall and.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
It recashees and it's rolling on the lorning track.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Two runs around Bailey coming around third, Patrick Bailey.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Stores it's a inside.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
The park walk off home run.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Now we've seen everything. Canby are in the Giants radio network.
I know it hurts Jason Stewart with the survivor pool.
We are having a rough week in our Major League
Baseball survivor pools. Yes, teams like the Phillies in Thes
and the Astros just aren't coming through. But last night
the Giants come through get a four to three win
as Patrick Bailey had that inside the park home run.
(31:08):
I mentioned Carrie that it's not the first time that
we have seen this in Major League Baseball. It's the
first walk off inside the park home run since twenty sixteen.
It's the first for the Giants. They had one previously
on Helbaganhead won in twenty thirteen, but Patrick Bailey became
the third catcher to accomplish the feat. This is where
(31:32):
I think it's history Jeff Passing tweeted this last night,
but he was the first catcher to do so since
Benny Tait did so on August eleventh of nineteen twenty six.
And prior to that, Pat Moran of the Chicago Cubs
as their catcher, had an inside the park home run
August fourth, nineteen oh seven. So we're talking almost one
(31:52):
hundred and twenty years of Major League baseball and this
was the third time that we had seen that sort
of play, a walk off inside the park home run
accomplished by a catcher, and it happened last night in
San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, for a catcher to do it, it's obviously rare.
Catchers aren't known for their speed number one, so that's
probably thrown in the equation. But also, I mean, there's
really nothing better than an inside the park home run.
It takes you back to your childhood, right like you're
playing in the field with your friends and you just
hit the ball far enough where nobody else can catch
it and throw you out, and you run around all
(32:25):
the bases and you get to throw it in their
faces a little bit that they couldn't get to the
ball like. It brings back that energy for me, but
as a professional team, it almost looks like Keystone Cops.
Like the ball hits off the back of the off
the wall, and Careen's to the left and the guys
running to the right and everybody's chasing the ball.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's kind of funny. It's kind of cool to see
on that aspect. I love it. And that's what I
texted Jason Stewart last night. This is why, this is
why major League baseball is great because you have funky
walls like I love that the Astros had a hill
in center field and the flag pole they took it out.
Neither are no longer there, but the flag pole was
(33:04):
in play and there was a slight incline in dead
center field. I like the angle of what they have
in San Francisco because you get a ricochet like that,
and what it does is it brings into play my
thoughts of what does every player do in Major League baseball?
And Jason, I don't know if you're alongside this, but
(33:27):
I thought to myself, what is the left fielder doing
because in all these plays, like you have backups and
this and that, so you have because the ball was
hit to the gap and right center and so the
right fielder's unable to get it. The center fielder overplayed
it because it hit the wall and ram past him.
What are you doing as a left fielder? Are you
doing your job? And it allowed Patrick Bailey to have
(33:49):
that inside the park home run. But I think that's
what made major League baseball unique. And I'm like, Jesus,
is there a left fielder there to back them up?
And apparently there wasn't.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
I think the fundamental was the leftfielder should be cruising
over he's got literally nothing else to do. Yeah, right,
that's the fundamental and he didn't last night.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Did they say that the last catcher to do so
was Benny Tate? Yes, good old Benny Tate. What was
that nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, I wonder if he knows old Obi won Tait.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Star Wars again? Maybe maybe Sam is this Star Wars?
Is this where we're going?
Speaker 6 (34:28):
Yes, it's the old ben Kenobi Obi.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Wan hey uh. Carrie says, it's the most exciting play
that you have in baseball? Is it? Is it the
most exciting play that we have in sports that brings
us our midway?
Speaker 9 (34:43):
He's not getting.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's time for.
Speaker 7 (34:50):
The midway.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Let's open those doors talking about exciting plays that we
have in sports. Inside the park home run. I will
also say this, when you have one in Little league,
it's usually because there were three errors committed. Right, Like,
he goes through the second baseman's legs, goes all the
way to the gap in the right fielder chucks it,
(35:11):
misses the cutoff man, they try to throw at the
third and then it goes over the third basement's head
and the kid runs home and he tells all of
his friends. Yet and then to other park home run
it was it was never a home run. It was
an E five and E nine and e you know,
or like that's that's what it ended up being. But
most exciting place. You think it's the most exciting play
(35:33):
in baseball inside the park home run? Yeah, I think
it's the most exciting.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
I think that the next big the next closest to
that would be if you if you rob a guy
of a home run, you make a crazy catch at
the wall.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I think that's right up there with it. Interesting. I
never thought that climbed that wall. You gotta climb the wall,
remember Mike.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
That was like Mike Trout's first big moment on center
stage where he all knew Mike Trout's name, he went
flying up to rob a home run.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
In twenty twelve. Denzel Clark has been doing it for
the A's this season. Yep. You know what I like
in baseball? The triple play. You like the triple play.
I like the triple play because everything has to go
right or everything has to go wrong for the for
the team that gets caught in the triple play. You know,
(36:21):
runners down first and second, ground ball down the third baseline,
boom boom boom, and it's like, wow, triple play to
in the inning or you run into it, and you
know for bad base running. Last night's was crazy like
and there isn't a normal inside the park home run. No,
I would put triple play up there, at least to
the sport of baseball. I don't know if it tops
(36:43):
the inside the park home run.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I think the the actual like if you if you
took the this whole topic or the inside the park
are out of it for the past like forty years
or whatever. I think my answer to this question has
always been a triple in baseball is the most exciting sports.
And I'm not talking about just like a triple by anybody.
I'm in a triple by like those like high class speedsters,
(37:07):
like remember Dion Sanders back in the day when he
came in. Andrew McCutcheon was like a sprinter when he
came in, seeing them hit that ball in the gap
and get to third and like record time. I think
Elie de la Cruz is the fastest runner in baseball
right now. So my specific exciting playing baseball, it has
to be a triple, a pure triple into the gap
(37:29):
by one of the fastest runners in the game.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
I don't think he gets any better than that, especially
if you see it in person. Hay, So don't get
Ricky Henderson now do He's amazing. I'm out there amazing.
I would say this as well. With a triple, you're
not You're not slow out of the box. Right there,
You're gone, you know, like because like otherwise you're not
gonna get it. Like to Jason's point, like you have
(37:53):
to go. So it's right from the get go, and
you know that there's an opportunity and that then puts
pressure on the outfielders.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
Yeah, those got guys who Jason is and speaking of
right now, they know if they make contact and it
goes in the gap. They're sprinting out anyway they're trying
and to push. There's never a single in their mind.
They're at least pushing for two. So I get it.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I'm curious that there are other baseball scenarios. I think
triple's great. I think the robbing of the home run.
This may not fit our category, but I just want
to bring it up. When someone is just shy of
whatever hit for the cycle and there's an opportunity for it.
Usually if it's usually triple is the one that's the
(38:34):
toughest to get. But if you need a double, triple
or home run and you're watching and there's an opportunity
for it, for that brief moment, it's pretty exciting because
you're like, Wow, it could actually happen. Like the easiest
way to do it would be to have the double
triple at home run. Then you get up, you just
slap a single in the right field and have your cycle.
But that's not normally how it is, so there is
(38:55):
some drama in trying to complete the cycle when you
have to get that extra base hit.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Well, think about it, and you said the hardest thing
to achieve would be the triple. I would say the
hardest thing in the league to get is an inside
the park home run. So I think they're like the
same in the same breath, because it takes skill to
do both. But it also there's a little bit of
luck and excitement with that extra hitting off the wall
and carry him to the left and the team and
the guy at scores, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
And that's what would put it over the top for me.
I mean, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah's we can even
expand this outside of baseball. I don't know if you
guys love it or not. I don't know if it's
the most exciting, but any end of a quarter in
the NBA game or any end of the half, I
always watch to see the last the keave from sixty
(39:41):
five feet out, and it's every cameraman's duty to get
that last second shot. If it's just a throw in
to try to see if somebody makes it from seventy
eight feet, I do it. If it's the end of
the quarter, I will watch it, will not turn away.
I want to see if somebody makes that half court
shot or that three quarters court shot. I love that
in basketball. I don't know how many great, amazing plays
(40:03):
there are in basketball, the most exciting plays in basketball.
But I love the last second shots at the end
of quarters and halves.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Did you see earlier in the week the news that
they're not going to count those last second heaves as
individual misses on your futeral No, don't say that, Lea.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It just changed the rule. I was about to bring
this up.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
I was thinking, those those very well known field goal
percentage champions of the past, are they going to like,
are they going to put asterisks on the new guys? Yeah,
but they didn't count. They counted the heaves for when
I played.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Exactly. Barkley and Shaq will be complaining about it at
their new home, espnrrible, that it's terrible. I here's the
other aspect of it. It's just as good when it
hits the shot clock as it is going in, Like
when it's so far off, like not even close. That's
even just funny to me to think, like, really, that's
(40:55):
how far you felt that you needed to throw it,
so it hits the thing that's twenty five feet above
the actual hoop itself. I like that in basket, You
like that in basketball? What about your guys? Nobody likes
the the Hail Mary at all.
Speaker 8 (41:07):
I was gonna say, I've been sitting here racking my
brain on the best play, the best play, what it
would be in football? The Hail Mary is great, don't
get me wrong, But I think the most exciting plays
and it's funny because I keep seeing people wanting to
kill these off. They all happen on special teams because
either it's a punt for it's either a kickoff return
for a touchdown. I think one of my favorite plays
(41:28):
all time was like the kick six, which is a
you know, a missed field goal getting returned for a touchdown.
But I think I think I've found one, and I
have a specific one in mind, and it is a
blocked punt where the ball is returned for a touchdown.
In case we have all forgotten. Thanks to ESPN, WHOA
(41:49):
he has trouble with a scrap and the ball is
free hits picked up by Michigan States.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Jalen watched Jack said, I love this highlight. I know
you will.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Sean McDonough love it.
Speaker 8 (42:03):
His voice cracking. But that's the fun you get when
because usually it is it's such a hard thing, right
to set up for a field goal to set up
for a punt. You're under so much pressure just to
do this one thing, this one thing, and it takes
one guy jumping off the sleds to blow who can
blow it up? Not just blow it up, but then
he takes it the other way for six points. That
is I'm out of my shit. I love about the
(42:25):
blocked punt. You know, it's not necessarily the touchdown portion
of it, but it's the poop of the block that
you hear from thee.
Speaker 6 (42:33):
Oh yeah, you are taking a heavy hit with that
can I So it was an Iowa at Penn State
two thousand and nine and they had one of those
aerial cameras over a routine special teams play and Iowa's
giant defensive end Adrian Clayborne, they like follow him as
a bird's eye view. He blocks it himself, gets it
on the bounce, and takes it for a blocked punt
(42:56):
for us.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
That's that's the other thing.
Speaker 8 (42:57):
A lot of these guys are out there who are
out there to block to punt or to block a
field goal. They are famously not usually they're just big
guys too. They're not being put out there to be
hyper athletic. They're out there to block something with the
mass their body, and if they grab that and take
it the other way, yeah, watch out.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
If you have a blocked field goal. There's also the
possibility of the lateral to the faster guy. Yes, yeah,
you know that adds something to it. But I think
like the punt is way more you know, way more rare, hey, Dan,
than that. Yes, we were, me.
Speaker 6 (43:29):
And Jason were talking about this and we actually found
a very old clip in the system.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Maybe you'd like to hear it.
Speaker 9 (43:35):
Well, Hire State, Well they have Brian Heartline and racemall
back to weight. Jake Kilroy's punt. He is a soft
four from Millersburg, Ohio on the game, and he's averaging
thirty eight point two on the season. Gets this punt
off from his thirty seven hangs a nice high one
that heartline will make a catch at the ten of
Ohio State moving backwards to a sixth now turns it
right side to the ten fifteen heartline to the twenty
twenty five thirty thirty five heartline down the right sideline
(43:57):
middle of meal fifty forty thirty five heartline. Behint another
blocker pimp p FI punch down.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Bryan heart Line that it's just it, bils so beautiful
punt return.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
This is this is what I like about football things
all the time. It's the countdown. Forty fifty Yeah, forty
thirty ten. My buddy one said, to the forty, to
the fifty fifty five, I could.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Fifty. He told me that because you wouldn't believe what
I did tonight.
Speaker 5 (44:29):
He's on, Hey, Kerry, have you ever returned a punt
for a kick in any level?
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, a punt for a touchdown. It's got to be exhilarating. Yeah.
And when I was nine, Oh that didn't count? Did it?
Did it count? Sure that.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
I also bought a punt against Army with my head,
which wasn't what's fun at all. I got there so
fast that I extended my hands out and missed the
ball and he kicked my head.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
I'm not even joking. Like I was out like a light.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
You got the The ball didn't go far, so I
was good, but I was out the rest of that
game for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm going to YouTube Carrier Roads kicked in the head,
watched arm Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, football, you're right,
I think Christy. It's a good point. I would say
that the non special teams, there is something about a safety.
It's a little different. It's not more exciting than an
inside the park home run or a triple or bat.
But I do like there is the safety because there
(45:25):
is anticipation. You're backed up, there's something you know, there's
pressure going on. You get the quarterback, there is a
built up anticipation. You're submitting your opponent too. You start
like pushing them.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
It's like a wrestling move, like you're pushing them out
of the ring or you're getting them into a pin
and then they're stuck in the end zone. Then they
have to give you two points or you get two
points out of it, and it's give you the ball back.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Like a hole in one, Like if you have a
hole in one when you're playing at the Waste Management
Open in Phoenix on the sixteenth hole, like it's it's
absolutely berserk. Yeah, that sounds very specific. Well, just because
you have the crowd around you, which leads up to
the point is I've never had a hole in one
in golf in my life. I saw one a couple
of years ago. There was a USGA girls event at
(46:09):
bel Air Country Club and it was the first time
I'd ever seen it. I'd never been in a group
when someone had made a hole in one in our group,
and it was it was a bit of like shock.
But when there were only like fifteen people around and
the person that did it was one hundred and sixty
yards away that they don't necessarily know, it was really
(46:32):
really cool. It was really really neat to see. But
it didn't happen to me, and there wasn't like that again,
there wasn't like there weren't like five thousand fans around
to go crazy. It was I don't want to say
it didn't live up to the excitement, because it was
still very cool to see. Anytime that a ball goes in,
you're like whoa, whoa, But it was it was a
different feat.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
And it was only fifteen people there, So who's to
say you didn't do it. I'm just saying that I
was watching. I was watching. I was there as a
meet A member. The funny thing was is I was
just taking video of like the course and the pictures
and stuff. I recorded the shot before that just for
my own like records to and I didn't record the
(47:12):
next person who went up and had a hole in one.
It was still really really cool, but it was just
a different feeling than what I thought I was Sam.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Did you guys growing up?
Speaker 6 (47:19):
Like in our local newspaper there would be little blurbs
of like, yes, John Anderson was at Brown Deer golf
course and he witnessed Elliott Yes, you know Elliott Smith
or I don't know, some ran get a hole in
one and you had to have like a witness, And
then it was in the paper.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Yes I do, And you do have to have a witness.
You have to have somebody playing with you. Now, just
being on your phone and being like I'm playing up
by myself. I think I got a hole in one
just doesn't necessarily got it. You need that witness. Then
you also have to buy drinks for someone. And there
are a lot of other sports different, you know, things
that can happen in an instance. And I bring up
(47:56):
the hole in one with the specifics of what that is,
but you could have the inside the park home run
at any ballpark. Yeah, that there is any more that
we're leaving on the table.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
I thought of something so I don't think we could
have done this one even ten years ago. This is
it seems like I could say modern day phenomenon, I
think with analytics and everything, but like the pull up
on a fast break logo three in basketball, that does
something for me, Like I like, I don't know, I
don't know what that is, especially if it's Kaitlin Clark
or in a big moment, like it's just I guess
(48:27):
because you grew up. You know, I'm fifty two years old.
You grew up. You're like, oh, that's a horrible shot.
Yeah yeah, but now it's more than acceptable. And then
when it goes in, you're like, heck, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah. I think that there absolutely is a rush to that.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
I'm also a fast break of the I'm also a
fan of the fast break allue.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
I think that can just get the crowd. Someone mentioned
that already.
Speaker 6 (48:48):
I'm sorry, but that can get really get the crowd going,
just like heaving it down there and Caitlyn Clark does
that too, and then someone just breakaway.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
In hockey, like or a penalty shot in hockey. I think, like,
you know, the end edipation, that build up of it,
and what you have is you know, breakaway and soccer
the same deal. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Nonger has some no one said the game when shot like,
it's the shot clocks winding down and you take the
last shot and win it at the buzzer.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
That doesn't what's the old what's the old tweet? How's
the house? It go? Like?
Speaker 8 (49:18):
Why watch overtime playoff hockey when you could just simply
snort cocaine and ride a motorcycle out of an out
of a helicopter exactly? Well, one of those guys was
off for a goal for like game seven. It's like, why.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Every single possession it sounds like a rush, Yes, sounds
like a rush. Yes. I still like the seventy five footer.
You know, you like the heat, you know, launch it
even if it doesn't count. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
It went in man like it is babies and old
women getting hurt by those things. Those gonna be some
grenades coming over there over the time.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Uh there. It is good Midway today here in Fox
Sports Radio. Good job Midway
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