July 15, 2025 • 49 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to number one golfer in the world Scottie Scheffler's honest admission that winning at the highest level of golf is unfulfilling.
Doug gives extended thoughts on Scottie Scheffler's comments.
Doug welcomes MLB analyst and former player Doug Glanville onto the show to talk about the All-Star game and all of the major headlines around MLB.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:27):
having a spectacular summer day. It's All Star Day. That's right,
The All Star Game will be played tonight in hot Atlanta.
I feel so weird for you trying to say hot Lanta. Right,
it does feel really weird to say hot Lanta. So
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now it is hot in Atlanta, which is kind of
like one of those like and I we'll get to
the podcast. It's weird. This was the All Star Game
supposed to be played in twenty nineteen in Atlanta. Some
political stuff post, you know, some political stuff got this
thing kind of moved and it's it's obviously gonna be
played now. But I don't know, playing an Alstar game
(01:12):
Atlanta feels like a miserable experience. Hey, good news is
you can play Allstar Game. Bad news is it's like
ninety with ninety five percent humidity. Nonetheless, I don't know
white guys saying how Hotlanta is a lot like white
guy saying for Shizzle. Agreed, disagree, Jason, you want to
discuss anyway. Yeah, you can't do it. Can't do it.
I mean, you can do it, but nobody takes you
(01:34):
seriously when you do it. Do do it. So nobody's
taking me seriously. And I actually completely understand that, totally
understand that. I we'll get to that. We'll get to
the Garrett Wilson extension talk a little bit about that.
There's also a WNBA poll of WNBA players as to
who will be the face of the league in five years.
(01:56):
Some interesting results there, not to get to, but I
wanted to start with what I think. I woke up
to this story and I thought, oh, that's it. That's
a great topic for us. Scottis Shafflers won uh what
four majors? He won two masters? Excuse me, three majors
went He's won two masters and he he said this
(02:21):
when he kind of opened up to the media. Obviously,
the Scottish Open taking place, and they have the Open Championship,
he said, in a kind of I don't know, it's
just weird. Let me just play it for you and
then we'll discuss.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate
winning a tournament for like a few minutes. It only
lasts a few minutes, that kind of vieuphoric feeling, like
to win the Bayern Nelson Championship at home. I literally
worked my entire life to become good at golf to
have an opportunity to win that tournament. And you win it,
you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there.
It's such an amazing moment. And then it's like, okay,
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now what are we gonna eat for dinner? You know,
life is on this Is it great to be able
to win tournaments and to accomplish the things I haven't
in the game of golf yet. I mean, it brings
tears myers to think about because it's literally worked my
entire life to become good at this sport and to
have that kind of sense of accomplishment I think is
a pretty cool feeling. You know, to get to live
out your dreams, it's very special. But at the end
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of the day, It's like, I'm not out here to
inspire the next generation of golfers. I don't I'm not
here to inspire somebody else to be the best player
in the world, because what's the point? You know, this
is not a fulfilling life. It's it's fulfilling from the
sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a sense
of like the deepest places of your heart.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Sounds like Scotti Scheffler is going to pick up something
else here in the next couple of years, does it.
This is honestly a great is he gen Z? What
jen is twenty nine years old? Scotti Scheffler gen Z? Yep,
he's gen Z. This is a gen Z discussion. And
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so for us, for us gen xers were like, and again,
I just don't necessarily know if it comes down to
your generation, but I definitely think how you receive this
discussion is gonna come down to your generation, because if
you're forty plus, right, forty plus, you're sitting there rolling
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your eyes and you're gonna go this guy, right, what's
the point? Whereas your forty plus are gonna be like, well,
what's the point. The point is to win? Then you
go out the next weekend and you win again. Point
in the next weekend and you win again. You know,
you get greed. You love winning. Winning is the point
winning the day, winning, winning, winning, finding a way to win.
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And U gen Z was like, I understand. You know,
you need to find emotional fulfillment in everything you do.
And I think this is why we have a generation
of people who quit their jobs so easily because they
don't feel emotionally fulfilled. Now again, I'm sitting here kind
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of on the periphery talking about this, and You're like,
why are you on the periphery. This is very much
in your wheelhouse. It is, and it isn't. I love
my jobs. I have two jobs that people would kill for. Definitely,
the media people would kill for. I don't know if
they would kill specifically for the Green Bay job. But
it's pretty cool to be a head basketball coaching college.
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So I actually do love what I do. Yesterday, for example,
we had our golf tournament. So I'm there at eight o'clock,
we're setting up. People start showing up. At like nine thirty,
we're greeting people. I went out and I hits a
twenty seven whole golf course, I hit I think nineteen
of the holes and shaking hands or whatever, and then
I came into the clubhouse and did the show. And
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as you could if you listen to late in the show,
everybody got into early and because the round went super fast,
which was great. All you can ever hope for in
a scramble is to go like under four hours, unheard of.
And then we had, you know, a dinner. We did
some auction stuff, right, Like, there are things that I
love to do, so I can't tell you what it
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would be like to have a job that I don't love,
but I'll tell you what I've told other people that
they may not want to hear. Hey, ninety five percent
of people don't like their job. That's the truth. And
the difference in generation is the newer generation is, well,
if you don't like that job, find something you do like,
sign something that is fulfilling, whereas forty plus is like, well,
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first of all, your job is sweet. You're flying on
private planes and playing golf for a living. Yeah, you
got to sacrifice some stuff, but the success is way
better than the sacrifice. And then the older generation is like,
pipe down, Sonny, a debt to work? What do you
complaining about I don't know. It's a discussion I'd like
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to have and we do have. I'm guessing again, without
thoroughly investigating, I'm guessing that sam opinion is different than mine,
is different than Jason's. But I don't know that for
a fact. Okay, but listen again to what Scotti Scheffler
has said. This was earlier today, the whole sports world buzzing.
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But I think this is a great topic at your
dinner table, at your bar with your friends, on your boat,
or playing golf. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's a lot of people that make it to what
they thought was going to fulfill them in life, and
then you get there, and all of a sudden you
get to number one in the world, and then they're like,
what's the point? I really do believe that, because you.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Know, what is the point?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You're like, why do I want to win this tournament
so bad? That's something that I wrestle with on a
daily basis. It's like showing up with the Masters every year.
It's like, why do I want to win this golf
tournament so badly? Why do I want to win the
Open Championship so badly? I don't know, because if I win,
it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes, and then
we're going to get to the next week and it's
gonna be like, hey, you want two majors this year?
How important is it for you to win the FedEx
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Cup playoffs? And it's just like we're back here again,
you know, So we really do. We work so hard
for such little moments, and you know, I'm kind of
a sick. I love putting in the work, I love
being able to practice, I love getting out to live
out my dreams. But at the end of the day,
sometimes I just don't understand the point.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You don't love to pa, don't say that. Don't say that.
I think I'll tell you something else that breeds that
is Instagram because you see what everybody else is doing.
You used to not see what other people are doing,
and now you see what everybody else doing. And it's
also tinted, not just with the filter of pictures, but
(08:31):
the filter of Instagram is a real thing. Everybody's life
is great. Hey, I saw your son play basketball. He's amazing. Yeah,
of course you put a couple of highlights on Instagram.
It looks incredible. Everybody looks happier, every woman looks hotter,
every guy looks more handsome, every family looks closer, every
athlete looks better. That's what the Graham does, and it
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creates this fomo where here you are doing great things
like yeah, but I could be doing something else, like now,
what you're doing is kind of awesome, kind of awesome.
I listened to it, and I think Scotti Scheffler doesn't
love golf. He's just great at golf and that's okay,
but doesn't love golf, and he's not just an absolute
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killer competitor. And it is amazing how good he is
considering those two things. That he's done it for a
long time, but he's kind of over all the other
stuff and he's really really good. But it doesn't it
doesn't eat him up to lose one inside, because at
least my generation, or the way people I've surrounded myself
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with or I've been raised by have been for years,
is you remember the losses more than the wins, because
that just keeps you coming back every single day. Jay Stew,
I'm wondering your opinion on Scotti Schefer's comments.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I first of all, I'm fascinated by your opinion we
didn't talk about this before the show, so it's interesting
that the path that you chose here. So a couple
of weeks ago, I asked a question on this network
that ended up being a rhetorical question because nobody on
the air answered it. What are we here for? What
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are humans on the planet here to do? I think
evolutionists and Elon Musk would say the answer to that
is to reproduce. I think there are a lot of
people of faith that would say serving a God is
what we're here to do. I think we are here
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to be in love and share love. And I think
this is kind of what Scotty Scheffler is missing. When
he says that the winds do not fill that part
of his heart, does not fulfill him. He's telling us
his personal life is not resolved. He has not found
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that thing this personal life that fills his heart, and
he has put all the hopes of that fulfillment into sports,
which we all know is frivolous and temporary.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know if I agree with that, but I
do think that the not having your personal life, and
I don't know enough about his personal life, but yeah,
it's totally different when you're there and your wife and
your kids and you're their hero and your everything whatever.
I would also say the other way around, right, like
being a divorced dad, is when you do have these
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moments of success and you don't have that family there.
I do understand. Again, it doesn't land that way with
me with the hey what am I doing this all for?
How it lands for me? And again part of this
is I've had a family is damn. I wish they
were here. I wish they could experience this, the good
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the bad. It's a great support system to have. So
it's interesting you point out the personal life lack of fulfillment,
and I do think you would feel differently if his
wife and kids were there, especially if you have somebody
who like again, you have to find the right wife
right because you want her to be there and her
to you know, to be your everything and you to
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be your everything, and for her to win with you
and lose with you, and feel the pain with you
and grow with you and all those other things. It's
a great observation.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think most of our listeners could relate to this.
So if you're driving around around now listening to this show,
if you have taken care of everything in your personal life.
And that doesn't mean family necessarily. If you again, if
you haven't embraced faith, if you have not found that
kind of love to fulfill your heart before you go
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to work, then you're not going to have a fulfilling job.
Because we work to live, we don't live to work.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Uh, Sam, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But I think a lot of people uh in their
life have existential moments where they they question why they're
doing things. And I think that's what he's having here.
You know, I don't maybe he maybe he's in another
life he was more of a teacher or a helper
or something. I don't know, but you know, I think
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every you know, interesting this came up because I was
just caught a little clip online. If you remember the
singer musician Rick Astley did the never going to give
you up and.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Ever going to give you up?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Rilled all that.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, So he was like he became really famous really quickly,
and he just after a couple of hits, He's like,
I don't want to do this anymore. All of the
all the reasons I got into this to just make
music or being sidelined by or you know, put on
the back burner by just doing interviews and having to
go and just do publicity stuff. And so I think
it was a moment of existential reflection for Scottie Scheffler.
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And I mean, he obviously has the money and the
accolades to walk away from golf right now if he
wants to, but he can keep on at it. Or
maybe he'll start a foundation something is really fulfilling for him.
Or maybe he'll go and do you know something, peace corps,
you do whatever he wants. He's on top of the world.
He just uh, he just said he's two in his
maybe two in his own head right now. But he'll
(14:20):
he'll figure it out and find happiness.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, I don't know. There's there's also this other there's
also another part to it, other part to a jaceo,
which is some people just aren't happy, you know, and
they're happy being unhappy, and maybe that is kind of
kind of why he's single. But I think that I
think the whole thing is, Isaac, what do you think?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
But this is an awesome topic and I'm glad you're
giving it it's due. This is actually not a generational
thing at all, because we've got many examples of this
in sports alone. Over the years, Jerry and the Lakers
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lost heartbreaking final after NBA final in the sixties to
the Celtics. They lost again in Game seven in the
Willis Reid Game to the Knicks in nineteen seventy. They
finally win it all in nineteen seventy two, and Jerry
West was surprised at the lack of joy that he
(15:22):
felt after the final buzzer when they won the NBA
Championship that they had pursued for so long with so
much heartbreak in nineteen seventy two, and it evokes something
that people have said for years, especially in sports, Losing
feels worse than winning feels good. I also remember, arguably
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the greatest women's college basketball team of all time, Pat
Summit Tennessee volunteer team. I think when undefeated in nineteen
ninety eight, they went thirty nine to oh. Shamika holtz
Claw was on that team. They won the national championship.
Pat summits on the court doing a postgame interview, goes
into the locker room. She gets into the locker room,
they win the national championship thirty nine to zero, and
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she can't believe what she sees. The players are sad,
and she asks them, we just won the national championship undefeated.
Why aren't you guys celebrating more? And the players said
collectively were sad because it's over. And I firmly believe
that this is not just a general generational thing. I
think the joy, especially in sports competition, is not reaching
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the goal. It's pursuing the goal and the arney. And
that's also coupled with the fact that losing evokes way
stronger emotions than winning does.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Guy, there's a lot to digest there, But that makes
sense because when Cheffer says he loves the process, he
likes put it in the work, that would jive with
what Isaac just said. And you said that he must
not love it. I think that's arguable. I think he
loves the process of it. It's just the results aren't
given him many for fight. And I think that just
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comes in what you're dealing with mentally at the time
or emotionally.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I want to I want to circle back to it. Okay,
I want to circle back to it. Look, I'm just
I'm not done with this topic. I want to talk
more about it, but we do have to get a
break in, give us your thoughts on social media at
Gottlieb Show on Instagram at Gottlieb Show as well. Again,
I don't actually think there's a wrong answer. We're all
guessing on what maybe the right answer is, and I
(17:30):
do think again, as much as it can be harsh
to say I don't think he loves golf, I do
think it's actually brave to say these things like, hey,
it's not actually that much fun. I'm going to relate
a personal story that does relate to Scottie Scheffler, and
then we can continue to discuss fair enough.
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Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hope you're having a spectacularly good day. I can tell
you that in northeastern Wisconsin is hot one kids, I'll
get temp for you upcoming, but I'm gonna guess nineties
high in humidity. It is hot, and it is steamy.
(19:00):
Ooh hot and steamy is great, great outside if you
had if you like it, But it's actually you know,
when she'd I always thought this about if you live
in the Midwest, you live in the South where it's
really really humid. Even in the Northeast, grit can get
a little bit even more muggy, and obviously huge rainstorms
(19:20):
in New York. Be safe, be careful. I don't know
what's behind all these torrential rains. I'm not a meteorologist,
I'm not a climate scientist. I don't know. But it's
been crazy what's happened. Obviously the tragedy in Texas and
in New Mexico as well, But the one thing it
is great for I. Yesterday we had our golf tournament
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and then we had a little dinner afterwards and raise
some money. And then when I got home, my neighbor's like, hey,
you want to come out in the boat with us?
And the kids went tubing. And I mean the thing
about you live somewhere humid, if you get up early
to do some outside, or if you're around late to
do some outside, it's awesome. Middle of the day. Not
all sme not awesome. Okay, we got a bunch to
(20:07):
get to with with tonight's All Star Game, including wait
to hear what Mooie Betts said is the hardest thing
to do in sports than Doug Landville is going to
join us. Doug's beIN Obviously, he was a major league player,
longtime Major League baseball anlysts, got a new website up.
We'll talk some baseball, some All Star getting ready for
the second half of the baseball season. But I want
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to get back to Scotti Scheffler's comments. If you're just
joining us, the two time Master winner, three time major champion, guys,
we'll play both cuts back to back. He was kind
of lamenting the fact that despite his incredible success in
such a short period time. At twenty nine years old,
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he finds himself not really getting the fulfillment he thought
he would get from wins. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate
winning a tournament for like a few minutes. It only
lasts a few minutes, that kind of euphoric feeling, like
to win the Buyer Nelson Championship at home. I literally
worked my entire life to become good at golf to
have an opportunity to win that tournament. And you win it,
you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there.
It's such an amazing moment. And then it's like, okay,
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now what are we gonna eat for dinner? You know,
life goes on. This is it great to be able
to win tournaments and to accomplish the things I have
in the game of golf. Yet I mean, it brings
tears my eyes just to think about, because it's literally
worked my entire life to become good at the sport
and to have that kind of sense of accomplishment, I
think is a pretty cool feeling. You know, to get
to live out your dreams it's very special, but at
the end of the day, it's like, I'm not out
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here to inspire the next generation of golfers. I don't
I'm not here to inspire somebody else to be the
best player in the world, because what's the point. You know,
this is not a fulfilling life. It's it's fulfilling from
the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a
sense of like the deepest places of your heart. There's
a lot of people that make it to what they
thought was going to fulfill them in life, and then
you get there, and all of a sudden you get
(22:01):
to number one in the world, and then they're like,
what's the point. I really do believe that, because you.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Know, what is the point?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You're like, why do I want to win this tournament
so bad? That's something that I wrestle with on a
daily basis. It's like showing up with the Masters every year.
It's like, why do I want to win this golf
tournament so badly? Why do I want to win the
Open Championship so badly? I don't know, because if I win,
it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes, and then
we're going to get to the next week and it's
gonna be like, hey, you want two majors this year?
How important is it for you to win the FedEx
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Cup playoffs? And it's just like we're back here again,
you know, So we really do. We work so hard
for such little moments, and you know, I'm kind of
a sick o. I love putting in the work, I
love being able to practice, I love getting out to
live out my dreams. But at the end of the day,
sometimes I just don't understand the point.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's an inserting one and I'll share with you this
personal story. Okay, when I I was at ESPN ten years,
nine years in Bristol, and it was really really hard
when I left because and I think ESPN obviously it's
interesting now if you say ESPN, there will be as
(23:08):
many negative comments as there is positive comments. Some of
it's fair, a lot of it's unfair where you're taking
you know, literally every network has gone through this where
because politics has become so unbelievably divisive that if you
(23:29):
take the comments of one and you put it to
the whole, especially as as big as ESPN is, as
many people are on at ESPN, that I think there's
there's an unfair negative connotation about the place. But my
boss here, scottis Shapiro, was there at the same time.
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I loved it. I love that I worked at the magazine,
I wrote for dot com. I obviously at college basketball.
I had a radio show, and I started the radio
show doing like a late night seven p to one AM,
me and Chuck Wilson, and we all kind of grew
from there and then I ended up having kind of
four to seven the afternoon. And the point is that,
(24:10):
like when I got in, all those people that had
come through as producers and board ops, they kind of
grew and they're now bosses or running radio stations or
have gone off and become even bigger and brighter and better.
When it was really hard for me to leave, and
I remember I was so excited about doing moving home,
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doing the Final four, doing the NCAA tournament. And then
I got done with the first year and I was
in California, but it wasn't as easy and the travel
was way harder, and we were working with people you
didn't know and they didn't know you. And it's a
completely different way of doing the exact same thing you've
done forever and you're just so uncomfortable. And I came
(25:00):
up with an idea for a book, and the idea
for the book is kind of what Scotti Schffler's saying,
and which is the I was trying to think of,
like the top of the mountain has no chairs, right
because there's no ability. You just don't have the ability
to enjoy your successes. Now, for me, part of it
(25:21):
was I was doing a radio shows, doing a TV show,
and I was doing college basketball. If I had just
done college basketball and just done the Final four, I
have no doubt in my mind I would have really
enjoyed that time off with my summer. I you know,
my personal life kind of started to, I don't want
to say degrade. I still had, I thought a great
peron because I was working so much and striving for
(25:44):
more and more and more and more more. There were
things that I wasn't able to do and I didn't
do for my family, for my ex spouse, and you
kind of come to realize that, you know, one, you
either have to take ownership of your life and going, hey,
I gotta take time for the people that I care
(26:04):
about and not just for my job. And then two
you have to have to find a life partner that
embraces that part of you, you know, because if you're
with somebody who doesn't enjoy the climb, doesn't enjoy the fight,
you know, it's like, hey, you won, you're good, smile,
enjoy it, and you know, just cruise and have a
(26:26):
great life. I think I could do that, but I
don't think that's who I am. I Jay Stude, you
know who Bruce Gilbert is, right. Bruce used to be
our boss a long time ago at ESPN Radio. He
was once supon time the boss at Fox Sports Trade.
I think he runs Westwood Radio now yea, And I
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never get my first year broadcasting. Bruce called me in
and he was just like first year of ESPN Russia
and he's my radio Boston. He was like, hey, I
got good news and bad news, and the good news
was we you know, I know, you don't don't really
watch that much hockey. You'd never have to talk hockey again.
Every study we've seen, everyone we've seen says, you know,
(27:08):
you talk about hockey on national radio. Creat He's like, hey,
here's the negative is you gotta do better baseball. You
come out of college basketball and at the time, baseball
was incredibly important and we're located in the northeast Red
Sox Yankees, et cetera. And he he said, we start
talking about like who you are as a person, and
I said, I'm a more guy. He's like, what do
(27:28):
you mean. I said, I just there's never been a
thing in my life time in my life where I
haven't wanted more. You know, binge watching shows is like
made for me because if I watch the show, I
gotta watch ten.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
One of the reasons I rarely drink is because I
just again I do, I will do things to excess.
I'm not excessive compulsive, but I'm I just. I always
want the next thing. I get an opportunity, I want
another opportunity, I get a chance, I want another chance.
I get a job or another job. I make ten,
I want twenty. And at the time it was this
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is who I am, which is great, but there is
there can be a lack of fulfillment with just enjoying
the daily w and enjoying what you the success you
have while still pursuing that excellence. Anyway, when I hear
Scotty Scheffler talk about it, I relate to it. I
understand it can be super super lonely, it can be
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super unfulfilling, and you do feel robotic if you're a
process orange a guy and you're constantly going to practice
arrange like what am I doing this for? But I
also will tell you that when you take that competitive
event out of somebody's life, they just search for things
to compete with. And that's when it doesn't It doesn't
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work outside the sports world. Like I actually think, like, hey, Scotty,
you don't you should do not go to the Masters
next year, watch it at home or be away from it,
and that's how you'll know if you're jonesing for it.
The hardest thing for most athletes, that first year is terrible.
And I tell coaches this all the time. I told
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Irban Meyer this before he went back and took the
Jacksonville Jaguars job. I was like, hey, if you do games,
this is remember he was ESPN, then he went back,
then he was Fox, then he went back to the Jaguars, right,
And I was like, if you do games, if you
call games live, you're gonna want to coach. If you're
in the studio maybe maybe not, but if you're at
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the actual stadium, you're at the arena, you're gonna want
to do it. Why because you're a competitor and all
the goosebumps on your arm come up because you don't
even care if you're in the losing locker room. You
just want a chance. You just want to scoreboard and
a bunch of guys and a bunch of coaches and
try and figure out how to win. Anyway, I think
some of this is in his wiring, some of it
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is in generationally that people are searching for fulfillment at
an age in which that's not really time for fulfillment.
And some of it is in the fact that maybe
some of us are also screwed up in that we
just love the competition on a daily basis. That ends
my ted talk Jase too, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
All makes sense to me? That's your experience. Absolutely. I
think that the one thing that I heard the second
time we played this chef or sound is that he
is telling us that he has either been to therapy
or wants to go to therapy to resolve whatever is
that disallows him to enjoy the wins. Because I don't
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think every athlete is wired this way. I do think
that very few athletes are wired to be sophisticated enough
to articulate it as well as he did. In other words,
I don't have faith in a lot of athletes articulating
that if they feel it. But I think he's telling
us he needs to fix whatever is preventing him from
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being fulfilled by these wins.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I think, listen, there's a lot of ways in which
people go after fulfillment, right, guys. Sometimes it's drugs, sometimes
it's women, Sometimes it's you. You keep trying for that
next win, thinking Okay, now I'll feel the fulfillment. And yeah,
I mean therapy is a is a good route. You
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mentioned relationships and not having that as a kind of
background or a support system. If you will for everything
he does, I think that would be interesting. I think also,
you know, if you don't want to do it, if
it's not bringing you joy, you don't want to compete, fine,
plenty of dudes that do. I low second time through
What do you hear when you listen to listen to?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
I think that's what made this such a fascinating topic.
But just like Jason, I caught something the second time
that I didn't catch the first time. Of course, what
I caught was a lot more impressive and insightful than
what Jason caught just trying to bust your chops there.
It was at the very end when he basically said,
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but I still love the process. I love the work
that goes into it. And to me, that told me
a lot, because, as you mentioned, Doug, there's so many
different types out there. Some people achieve one thing, they're
immediately onto the next thing. I think there's other people
who are in love with the process and not necessarily
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the result. And what I'm talking about is kind of
the boring little details of our respective professions that might
seem boring to an outsider, but it's the kind of
thing that people who really love the process like like
for this specific role. This might sound weird to a
lot of other people, but when we get to Wimbledon
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and the French Open, I enjoy the process of trying
to track down these wacky pronunciations from these tennis players
from all over the world like Bulgaria and Hungary, and
I have no idea, but you have to be able
to enjoy those kinds of boring details. And we've heard
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athletes throughout our coverage of sports say you know, I
knew it was time to retire when I stopped enjoying practice,
when I stopped enjoying the preparation for games. I think
people have said, you know, that's kind of the litmus test.
When part of the joy of sports has been the
process and that's taken away, then you know it's time
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to move on. And the second time around, I heard
that for Scotti Scheffler, that's something that he still enjoys,
which I didn't really which didn't really resonate the first
time I heard it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
By the way, he is married, right, I can check
he's married.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
He's married, he's later on. It might even be in
the third cut that his wife is exceptionally supportive and
tries to celebrate the wins and thanks him for working
so hard. And you know, when I bring up that
people are unfulfilled who haven't shared love, I'm not talking
about like somebody to support you. That's a very like
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egocentric way of looking at right. I get married to
have somebody to support me. If you're not in a
relationship where the love is equal, then that's unfulfilling, you know.
The So I think she's this part of wife. She's
probably a great pro golfer wife personal life is missing.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I don't know. I don't There's there's part of it
where you're like, look a pro golfer's life, and most
of us are like, dude, really private jets, great hotels.
You're playing golf for a living, but you aren't home,
right and even when you're home, you're not home. And look,
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I do know it's different. You're making millions, maybe hundreds
of millions of dollars. But we can relate to the
anybody who's been married, like, baby, I'm gonna go play golf,
like what? And again, when he goes and plays golf,
it ain't like he's just, you know, gonna play quick nine.
You know, like there's a whole process to it. And
when you have I think he has a little son
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like you do, you want to be home. But the
problem with that is that all that sounds good, but
a real competitor, I just I think the second you
don't have it is the second you go like, what
am I doing? I miss it? I want to be
out there. It sucks to not be home. Here's here's
one Rissillo had a take and I think it was
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a long time ago when he was over at ESPN
and it may have been an off air take, but
I think it was on air. And his thing was
always like, you know, there's there's always this kind of
heroic thing for women who have a child and they
go back to work, and you're like, you have kids.
He was like, you have kids? To me, what's it
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like to go back to work? I was like, it sucks.
All you want to do is be home? Like all
you want to do, Like, is those those little moments
you get now if you're at home and you're a
stay at home mom and stay at home dad, You're like, dude,
I will trade with you any time you want, anytime.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I just want to have adult conversation.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So again, I fall back on the I am one
of the I don't know if it's one percent, if
it's five percent, if it's ten percent. I don't feel
like I've ever worked a day in my life. And
it's because I truly love everything that I've done. I
haven't loved who I've done it for, or I haven't
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less they loved how I've prepared, how I've performed, or
who I've worked with or who I've worked for. But
it's just the overall, d I have what I do like.
Dude's awesome, awesome, And I don't know if Scotty is
that guy. He just might be really really good at
it and has done it for a long time. And
the second somebody goes like, hey, you want to do
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something else to be like, yeah, but I do think
you'll miss the competition.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
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Speaker 1 (37:20):
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and with the Athletic and he's launched his own site
called Welcome to Glanville and he joins us now on
Fox Sports Radio. Are you a home run derby guy?
Speaker 8 (37:56):
I am absolutely, I'm enjoying it. I had a good time.
I was on the call, and I think part of
It is the awe that you see not only just
as a fan and how far O'Neill Cruz hits the ball,
but watching other major league players, major League All stars
kind of be reduced to their ten year old selves
just watching something that seemed impossible. So I enjoy that
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part of it. And you know, family, You think about
Raleigh with his dad and his brother and a lot
of those connections. So for that reason and those many
I do appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I bring it up just because I don't know, like
it's been going on a while. I thought having the
Big Dumber when it was good, considering the first half
of the season he's had. On the other hand, it
is kind of you know, it is kind of three
point shooting chucking contest at some point, and it does
it can drag a little bit, can drag a little bit.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Yeah, they were trying to make it a little faster
with the two minutes, but you know, still kept going.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
But but yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
What I was going to tell you was, oh, I
know it's go say okay, so help me out, cal Raley.
Do you think he can continue at this pace in
the second half playing catcher?
Speaker 8 (39:10):
I mean, it's hard to do, and the reason being
you're losing probably twenty pounds. I know Mike Piazza used
to talk about how much weight he would lose. I know,
I lost twenty five pounds in my first minor league season.
It's tough to just keep that energy. And by the way,
he has all these other jobs besides hitting, he's managing
a staff, he's in meetings, he's there's so much extra
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and at a position that's so violent and you know,
foul ball off the mask, everything's really beating up on
your body. So that's that would be hard. It's not
that you know, he has the if he was playing
first base or DH I said, yeah, sure, he could
keep it up. I think it's just so much harder
as a catcher.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, still kind of remarkable. And now he's a catcher,
but doing it in Seattle, where not a hitter's ballpark
by any means. The Dodgers, if you were running the Dodgers,
obviously their pitching staff, you feel like is going to
get healthier, but hit a tough stretch there at the
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end of the first half of the season. Any changes
you would make.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Oh, I mean, the problem, like many teams are facing
is you just can't stay healthy, and the Dodgers have
been really an extreme end of that spectrum with some
of the real key pictures. I remember the first meeting
we had earlier in the season when we opened with
Tiger's Dodgers, a question came up. David Cohen was like, hey, Dave, like,
how many starters do you have? Like who's He's like,
(40:37):
I know, your top five, who's there? Six through ten?
You know, And the fact is they had answers six
through ten that were full of all stars and very
capable of pictures that just weren't healthy. So you know,
to me, how do you deal with that? Well, you
do what they did last year. You kind of hope
that they have enough help to get to the right position,
and then you go and get another arm or someone
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to sort of.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
Pick it up.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Like Bets and Freeman and guys that have been really
incredible are struggling, and you know, Bets moving from right
field and playing short and that's just sort of like
what you just talked about with Kyle Rally. It's exhausting
to play shortstop exhausting, and you know, he's a great athlete,
He's definitely getting older. That's not easy to keep up.
And and is he you know, is he the best
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option there? You know, not only because of defense, but
because his offensive productivity. If you can connect those dots,
maybe maybe a problem and maybe sort of hurting him.
So they have to figure that out. But I think
they would have a very different setup if the playoffs
started tomorrow. I think they'd have very different defensive alignments.
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Things would be different because now you're just trying to
win one game at the top.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Doug Landville. Okay, if if we're not, if
we who do you think is the biggest challenger to
the Dodgers. I've asked everybody this just because you know,
there's a good group of National League teams, Cubs, Phillies, Brewers.
(42:09):
You know, you could kind of you go probably six
six deep or so if you had to, you had
to bet your new site Welcome to Glanville on it.
Who would be the biggest competitor of the Dodgers in
the playoffs Phillies.
Speaker 8 (42:21):
I say the Phillies, And because going into the season,
the thing that kept circling.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
Around is that they have a really deep.
Speaker 8 (42:29):
Pitching staff, and it's just like any other team if
they stay healthy. You're talking about you know, six starters
and guys. And this is Dave Dombroski right there, the
front off or head of baseball operation. Dave Dombroski is
very aggressive at the trade deadline, very aggressive and getting
star power, very aggressive and getting pitchers that have swinging
this and velocity, and always goes out and gets an
(42:50):
extra starter just in case. So with that mentality, and
you know, you're hitting Schwerber, Harper, whoever, all these really
good bats, Trade Turner having.
Speaker 9 (42:59):
A good year.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
You know, this is the year where if those guys
are at their best and they get the arms, then
the Dodgers have to contend with the team that has
you know, three starters easily in the postseason, plus two
guys that can come in the bullpen and change roles.
That is really something that a lot of teams don't have.
So they can prevent runs and they can score runs.
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So that's I'd say that's a big challenge for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yes, Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, speaking of the
National League, where are you and Mesrawski being in the
All Star game.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
Well what I the way I think of it is
this way. Yeah, five games not much of a body
of work obviously, So that's that's not you know, I mean,
I know Paul schemes and there's others that didn't necessarily
have like a full season. I don't put a lot
on the kid. It's not his fault. You know, these
guys are electric arm and there's no doubt baseball is
trying hard to appeal to younger audiences and having young
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talent that's on display makes a big difference because they
can see themselves like, oh yeah, this guy's exciting. It's
like Pete crow Armstrong. Kids fall he like the Pied Piper.
Kids follow him everywhere, and that's good for the next
generation of the game. So, but does that make you
an All Star? You know, that's whether you know, that's
the question. And when you have Trey Turner, guys we
just mentioned Christopher Sanchez that have had really good full
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halves or close to it, you know, that's hard when
you know that there's so many other teams and players
that were bonifide full time All Stars. That's the that's
the question for me. I look back at my own
career ninety eight ninety nine had really good first halves.
It's sort of like a Jacob Wilson, a lot of hits,
not a lot of powers, full some bases played defense,
and I, you know, and I realized that if the
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wind blew another direction, maybe that could have.
Speaker 9 (44:43):
Gotten in those two years.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
And so that's how close a lot of players are
just by just you know, playing every single game of
the first half. So with Miserowski, it's very hard because
he just says five games. I mean, that's just not
a lot. He could he could up two bad starts
in a row and have a six CRA. I mean,
that's how fragile those numbers are. But we're in an
era where it's much more when you think about player advancement,
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who gets called up, who gets drafted, who gets advanced.
It's a lot to do with metrics. It's not as
much like, oh, you hit three seventeen in the minors.
You look the part, you have, the data you have
and it sort of plays at the big league level.
And so it's not as much about like, oh, you
hit a certain number, and I think mis Roski is
the guy that has the arm. You're not worried about
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era or what it could be. You're looking at a
guy throwing one hundred and two miles an hour and
blowing Major leagu hitterers away.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, yep, I hear it. Stug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, let's go. Let's go over to the
American League. In your mind, biggest question the team, biggest
question heading into the second half of the season in
the American League is.
Speaker 9 (45:50):
What as the whole league or by by team, by.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Like one team. Sorry that's on me.
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Well, okay, Detroit Tigers is this is a team that
is just running people over and they're doing it in
a way they would never have said was going to
be the way, right they because we saw them opening
day A J. Hinchster manager was like, you know, we're
kind of run for prevention. We have a young team.
We're going to outpitch you and my thirteen guys are
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going to beat your nine. Like that's that's how he
kind of laid it out. Well, they've ended up being
way better offensively, and you know, Riley Green just you know,
Baia is just you know, back from the dead and
you have just incredible performances offensively that you have the
question of can they sustain it. They're going to ask
that question from an offensive standpoint, So.
Speaker 9 (46:39):
Do they go get a big bat?
Speaker 8 (46:41):
So that's a big question for me, because they get
a big back like a O Suarez or someone like that.
Now you're looking at a team they're like, oh wait
a minute, that's that puts them in sort of Yankee land, right,
And and the Yankees still I think have tremendous you know,
their offense also could use Suarez as every other team,
but they they have those question marks if they stay
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healthy and they have to pitch. But they have a
lot of experienced bats that are productive. So I see
them as much more stable on that side of the equation.
But the Tigers just they out maneuver you. They're they're
just really good. So I see those two teams, as
you know, in the in the category of punching at
each other.
Speaker 9 (47:21):
And then do not forget the Houston.
Speaker 8 (47:22):
Asters because they flat out pitch Hunter Brown not getting
out of enough love because it's Eric Scooble, who's great
watch out because they shut you down.
Speaker 9 (47:32):
It's hard to score off for their bullpen.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, I mean circling back to the Tigers and struggle,
they get swept by the Mariners right for the break
and uh and they get they get some they got
they got tough road swing to start the second half
of the season. Doug, tell me about the site real quick,
Welcome to Glendell.
Speaker 9 (47:47):
Yeah, well, it's a it's a writing side. You know.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
I came into the ESPN and other places by writing,
and uh, it's hard today to kind of have a
consistent sort of column because there's so much noise, there's
so much going on, and I wanted to get back
to the roots of writing consistently. And the thing is,
I wanted to share with an audience that I'm a
fan too, and we're all fans in this together. I
still love the game, and so I wanted to create
(48:11):
a place where I'm writing stories about the game that
aren't just like breaking news or hot topics, but just
about like the deeper dives into you know, experiences. So
whether it's you know, Pete Rose and getting you know,
a pathway to getting into the Hall of Fame, whether
today I'm going to write a piece about the color
Wars that were the seventies and eighties and all Star
games that were vibrant and colors and you know, I
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talk about the bulletin board that was over my bed
that had an autograph picture of Bob Boone and I
just go back to, you know, stories that are just
personal with the humanity of the game at the center.
And most important, it's interactive. So I want to hear
from fans. I want to hear from people because I'm
a fan.
Speaker 9 (48:47):
I'm just like.
Speaker 8 (48:47):
Fanning out with everybody. And it's done well, you know,
and you can subscribe. It's a newsletter format, so you
go on, you enter your email and there's a free
subscription and if you love it, you can do the
paid and get some additional content. But you know, I'll
just welcome you into the world of Landol that's the
name of my town. Name kind of thing. And it's
(49:08):
about baseball. It's about fandom, but it's also where baseball
impacts way beyond things outside the lines.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Doug, you are the best man. I can't wait to
check out the site. I know you enjoy the game.
Let's do this again as the second half of the season
gets ready to get started. Thanks for our guest and
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (49:22):
All right, Doug, thank you
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(00:27):
having a spectacular summer day. It's All Star Day. That's right,
The All Star Game will be played tonight in hot Atlanta.
I feel so weird for you trying to say hot Lanta. Right,
it does feel really weird to say hot Lanta. So
(00:50):
now it is hot in Atlanta, which is kind of
like one of those like and I we'll get to
the podcast. It's weird. This was the All Star Game
supposed to be played in twenty nineteen in Atlanta. Some
political stuff post, you know, some political stuff got this
thing kind of moved and it's it's obviously gonna be
played now. But I don't know, playing an Alstar game
(01:12):
Atlanta feels like a miserable experience. Hey, good news is
you can play Allstar Game. Bad news is it's like
ninety with ninety five percent humidity. Nonetheless, I don't know
white guys saying how Hotlanta is a lot like white
guy saying for Shizzle. Agreed, disagree, Jason, you want to
discuss anyway. Yeah, you can't do it. Can't do it.
I mean, you can do it, but nobody takes you
(01:34):
seriously when you do it. Do do it. So nobody's
taking me seriously. And I actually completely understand that, totally
understand that. I we'll get to that. We'll get to
the Garrett Wilson extension talk a little bit about that.
There's also a WNBA poll of WNBA players as to
who will be the face of the league in five years.
(01:56):
Some interesting results there, not to get to, but I
wanted to start with what I think. I woke up
to this story and I thought, oh, that's it. That's
a great topic for us. Scottis Shafflers won uh what
four majors? He won two masters? Excuse me, three majors
went He's won two masters and he he said this
(02:21):
when he kind of opened up to the media. Obviously,
the Scottish Open taking place, and they have the Open Championship,
he said, in a kind of I don't know, it's
just weird. Let me just play it for you and
then we'll discuss.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate
winning a tournament for like a few minutes. It only
lasts a few minutes, that kind of vieuphoric feeling, like
to win the Bayern Nelson Championship at home. I literally
worked my entire life to become good at golf to
have an opportunity to win that tournament. And you win it,
you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there.
It's such an amazing moment. And then it's like, okay,
(02:57):
now what are we gonna eat for dinner? You know,
life is on this Is it great to be able
to win tournaments and to accomplish the things I haven't
in the game of golf yet. I mean, it brings
tears myers to think about because it's literally worked my
entire life to become good at this sport and to
have that kind of sense of accomplishment I think is
a pretty cool feeling. You know, to get to live
out your dreams, it's very special. But at the end
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of the day, It's like, I'm not out here to
inspire the next generation of golfers. I don't I'm not
here to inspire somebody else to be the best player
in the world, because what's the point? You know, this
is not a fulfilling life. It's it's fulfilling from the
sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a sense
of like the deepest places of your heart.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Sounds like Scotti Scheffler is going to pick up something
else here in the next couple of years, does it.
This is honestly a great is he gen Z? What
jen is twenty nine years old? Scotti Scheffler gen Z? Yep,
he's gen Z. This is a gen Z discussion. And
(03:56):
so for us, for us gen xers were like, and again,
I just don't necessarily know if it comes down to
your generation, but I definitely think how you receive this
discussion is gonna come down to your generation, because if
you're forty plus, right, forty plus, you're sitting there rolling
(04:19):
your eyes and you're gonna go this guy, right, what's
the point? Whereas your forty plus are gonna be like, well,
what's the point. The point is to win? Then you
go out the next weekend and you win again. Point
in the next weekend and you win again. You know,
you get greed. You love winning. Winning is the point
winning the day, winning, winning, winning, finding a way to win.
(04:43):
And U gen Z was like, I understand. You know,
you need to find emotional fulfillment in everything you do.
And I think this is why we have a generation
of people who quit their jobs so easily because they
don't feel emotionally fulfilled. Now again, I'm sitting here kind
(05:03):
of on the periphery talking about this, and You're like,
why are you on the periphery. This is very much
in your wheelhouse. It is, and it isn't. I love
my jobs. I have two jobs that people would kill for. Definitely,
the media people would kill for. I don't know if
they would kill specifically for the Green Bay job. But
it's pretty cool to be a head basketball coaching college.
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So I actually do love what I do. Yesterday, for example,
we had our golf tournament. So I'm there at eight o'clock,
we're setting up. People start showing up. At like nine thirty,
we're greeting people. I went out and I hits a
twenty seven whole golf course, I hit I think nineteen
of the holes and shaking hands or whatever, and then
I came into the clubhouse and did the show. And
(05:44):
as you could if you listen to late in the show,
everybody got into early and because the round went super fast,
which was great. All you can ever hope for in
a scramble is to go like under four hours, unheard of.
And then we had, you know, a dinner. We did
some auction stuff, right, Like, there are things that I
love to do, so I can't tell you what it
(06:05):
would be like to have a job that I don't love,
but I'll tell you what I've told other people that
they may not want to hear. Hey, ninety five percent
of people don't like their job. That's the truth. And
the difference in generation is the newer generation is, well,
if you don't like that job, find something you do like,
sign something that is fulfilling, whereas forty plus is like, well,
(06:29):
first of all, your job is sweet. You're flying on
private planes and playing golf for a living. Yeah, you
got to sacrifice some stuff, but the success is way
better than the sacrifice. And then the older generation is like,
pipe down, Sonny, a debt to work? What do you
complaining about I don't know. It's a discussion I'd like
(06:51):
to have and we do have. I'm guessing again, without
thoroughly investigating, I'm guessing that sam opinion is different than mine,
is different than Jason's. But I don't know that for
a fact. Okay, but listen again to what Scotti Scheffler
has said. This was earlier today, the whole sports world buzzing.
(07:12):
But I think this is a great topic at your
dinner table, at your bar with your friends, on your boat,
or playing golf. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's a lot of people that make it to what
they thought was going to fulfill them in life, and
then you get there, and all of a sudden you
get to number one in the world, and then they're like,
what's the point? I really do believe that, because you.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Know, what is the point?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You're like, why do I want to win this tournament
so bad? That's something that I wrestle with on a
daily basis. It's like showing up with the Masters every year.
It's like, why do I want to win this golf
tournament so badly? Why do I want to win the
Open Championship so badly? I don't know, because if I win,
it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes, and then
we're going to get to the next week and it's
gonna be like, hey, you want two majors this year?
How important is it for you to win the FedEx
(07:51):
Cup playoffs? And it's just like we're back here again,
you know, So we really do. We work so hard
for such little moments, and you know, I'm kind of
a sick. I love putting in the work, I love
being able to practice, I love getting out to live
out my dreams. But at the end of the day,
sometimes I just don't understand the point.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
You don't love to pa, don't say that. Don't say that.
I think I'll tell you something else that breeds that
is Instagram because you see what everybody else is doing.
You used to not see what other people are doing,
and now you see what everybody else doing. And it's
also tinted, not just with the filter of pictures, but
(08:31):
the filter of Instagram is a real thing. Everybody's life
is great. Hey, I saw your son play basketball. He's amazing. Yeah,
of course you put a couple of highlights on Instagram.
It looks incredible. Everybody looks happier, every woman looks hotter,
every guy looks more handsome, every family looks closer, every
athlete looks better. That's what the Graham does, and it
(08:53):
creates this fomo where here you are doing great things
like yeah, but I could be doing something else, like now,
what you're doing is kind of awesome, kind of awesome.
I listened to it, and I think Scotti Scheffler doesn't
love golf. He's just great at golf and that's okay,
but doesn't love golf, and he's not just an absolute
(09:15):
killer competitor. And it is amazing how good he is
considering those two things. That he's done it for a
long time, but he's kind of over all the other
stuff and he's really really good. But it doesn't it
doesn't eat him up to lose one inside, because at
least my generation, or the way people I've surrounded myself
(09:37):
with or I've been raised by have been for years,
is you remember the losses more than the wins, because
that just keeps you coming back every single day. Jay Stew,
I'm wondering your opinion on Scotti Schefer's comments.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
I first of all, I'm fascinated by your opinion we
didn't talk about this before the show, so it's interesting
that the path that you chose here. So a couple
of weeks ago, I asked a question on this network
that ended up being a rhetorical question because nobody on
the air answered it. What are we here for? What
(10:16):
are humans on the planet here to do? I think
evolutionists and Elon Musk would say the answer to that
is to reproduce. I think there are a lot of
people of faith that would say serving a God is
what we're here to do. I think we are here
(10:36):
to be in love and share love. And I think
this is kind of what Scotty Scheffler is missing. When
he says that the winds do not fill that part
of his heart, does not fulfill him. He's telling us
his personal life is not resolved. He has not found
(10:58):
that thing this personal life that fills his heart, and
he has put all the hopes of that fulfillment into sports,
which we all know is frivolous and temporary.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know if I agree with that, but I
do think that the not having your personal life, and
I don't know enough about his personal life, but yeah,
it's totally different when you're there and your wife and
your kids and you're their hero and your everything whatever.
I would also say the other way around, right, like
being a divorced dad, is when you do have these
(11:38):
moments of success and you don't have that family there.
I do understand. Again, it doesn't land that way with
me with the hey what am I doing this all for?
How it lands for me? And again part of this
is I've had a family is damn. I wish they
were here. I wish they could experience this, the good
(11:59):
the bad. It's a great support system to have. So
it's interesting you point out the personal life lack of fulfillment,
and I do think you would feel differently if his
wife and kids were there, especially if you have somebody
who like again, you have to find the right wife
right because you want her to be there and her
to you know, to be your everything and you to
(12:21):
be your everything, and for her to win with you
and lose with you, and feel the pain with you
and grow with you and all those other things. It's
a great observation.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
I think most of our listeners could relate to this.
So if you're driving around around now listening to this show,
if you have taken care of everything in your personal life.
And that doesn't mean family necessarily. If you again, if
you haven't embraced faith, if you have not found that
kind of love to fulfill your heart before you go
(12:52):
to work, then you're not going to have a fulfilling job.
Because we work to live, we don't live to work.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Uh, Sam, what do you think?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
But I think a lot of people uh in their
life have existential moments where they they question why they're
doing things. And I think that's what he's having here.
You know, I don't maybe he maybe he's in another
life he was more of a teacher or a helper
or something. I don't know, but you know, I think
(13:24):
every you know, interesting this came up because I was
just caught a little clip online. If you remember the
singer musician Rick Astley did the never going to give
you up and.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Ever going to give you up?
Speaker 5 (13:35):
Rilled all that.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, So he was like he became really famous really quickly,
and he just after a couple of hits, He's like,
I don't want to do this anymore. All of the
all the reasons I got into this to just make
music or being sidelined by or you know, put on
the back burner by just doing interviews and having to
go and just do publicity stuff. And so I think
it was a moment of existential reflection for Scottie Scheffler.
(14:00):
And I mean, he obviously has the money and the
accolades to walk away from golf right now if he
wants to, but he can keep on at it. Or
maybe he'll start a foundation something is really fulfilling for him.
Or maybe he'll go and do you know something, peace corps,
you do whatever he wants. He's on top of the world.
He just uh, he just said he's two in his
maybe two in his own head right now. But he'll
(14:20):
he'll figure it out and find happiness.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah, I don't know. There's there's also this other there's
also another part to it, other part to a jaceo,
which is some people just aren't happy, you know, and
they're happy being unhappy, and maybe that is kind of
kind of why he's single. But I think that I
think the whole thing is, Isaac, what do you think?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
But this is an awesome topic and I'm glad you're
giving it it's due. This is actually not a generational
thing at all, because we've got many examples of this
in sports alone. Over the years, Jerry and the Lakers
(15:01):
lost heartbreaking final after NBA final in the sixties to
the Celtics. They lost again in Game seven in the
Willis Reid Game to the Knicks in nineteen seventy. They
finally win it all in nineteen seventy two, and Jerry
West was surprised at the lack of joy that he
(15:22):
felt after the final buzzer when they won the NBA
Championship that they had pursued for so long with so
much heartbreak in nineteen seventy two, and it evokes something
that people have said for years, especially in sports, Losing
feels worse than winning feels good. I also remember, arguably
(15:43):
the greatest women's college basketball team of all time, Pat
Summit Tennessee volunteer team. I think when undefeated in nineteen
ninety eight, they went thirty nine to oh. Shamika holtz
Claw was on that team. They won the national championship.
Pat summits on the court doing a postgame interview, goes
into the locker room. She gets into the locker room,
they win the national championship thirty nine to zero, and
(16:05):
she can't believe what she sees. The players are sad,
and she asks them, we just won the national championship undefeated.
Why aren't you guys celebrating more? And the players said
collectively were sad because it's over. And I firmly believe
that this is not just a general generational thing. I
think the joy, especially in sports competition, is not reaching
(16:29):
the goal. It's pursuing the goal and the arney. And
that's also coupled with the fact that losing evokes way
stronger emotions than winning does.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Guy, there's a lot to digest there, But that makes
sense because when Cheffer says he loves the process, he
likes put it in the work, that would jive with
what Isaac just said. And you said that he must
not love it. I think that's arguable. I think he
loves the process of it. It's just the results aren't
given him many for fight. And I think that just
(17:01):
comes in what you're dealing with mentally at the time
or emotionally.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
I want to I want to circle back to it. Okay,
I want to circle back to it. Look, I'm just
I'm not done with this topic. I want to talk
more about it, but we do have to get a
break in, give us your thoughts on social media at
Gottlieb Show on Instagram at Gottlieb Show as well. Again,
I don't actually think there's a wrong answer. We're all
guessing on what maybe the right answer is, and I
(17:30):
do think again, as much as it can be harsh
to say I don't think he loves golf, I do
think it's actually brave to say these things like, hey,
it's not actually that much fun. I'm going to relate
a personal story that does relate to Scottie Scheffler, and
then we can continue to discuss fair enough.
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Speaker 1 (18:38):
Hope you're having a spectacularly good day. I can tell
you that in northeastern Wisconsin is hot one kids, I'll
get temp for you upcoming, but I'm gonna guess nineties
high in humidity. It is hot, and it is steamy.
(19:00):
Ooh hot and steamy is great, great outside if you
had if you like it, But it's actually you know,
when she'd I always thought this about if you live
in the Midwest, you live in the South where it's
really really humid. Even in the Northeast, grit can get
a little bit even more muggy, and obviously huge rainstorms
(19:20):
in New York. Be safe, be careful. I don't know
what's behind all these torrential rains. I'm not a meteorologist,
I'm not a climate scientist. I don't know. But it's
been crazy what's happened. Obviously the tragedy in Texas and
in New Mexico as well, But the one thing it
is great for I. Yesterday we had our golf tournament
(19:41):
and then we had a little dinner afterwards and raise
some money. And then when I got home, my neighbor's like, hey,
you want to come out in the boat with us?
And the kids went tubing. And I mean the thing
about you live somewhere humid, if you get up early
to do some outside, or if you're around late to
do some outside, it's awesome. Middle of the day. Not
all sme not awesome. Okay, we got a bunch to
(20:07):
get to with with tonight's All Star Game, including wait
to hear what Mooie Betts said is the hardest thing
to do in sports than Doug Landville is going to
join us. Doug's beIN Obviously, he was a major league player,
longtime Major League baseball anlysts, got a new website up.
We'll talk some baseball, some All Star getting ready for
the second half of the baseball season. But I want
(20:27):
to get back to Scotti Scheffler's comments. If you're just
joining us, the two time Master winner, three time major champion, guys,
we'll play both cuts back to back. He was kind
of lamenting the fact that despite his incredible success in
such a short period time. At twenty nine years old,
(20:47):
he finds himself not really getting the fulfillment he thought
he would get from wins. Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
It feels like you work your whole life to celebrate
winning a tournament for like a few minutes. It only
lasts a few minutes, that kind of euphoric feeling, like
to win the Buyer Nelson Championship at home. I literally
worked my entire life to become good at golf to
have an opportunity to win that tournament. And you win it,
you celebrate, get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there.
It's such an amazing moment. And then it's like, okay,
(21:18):
now what are we gonna eat for dinner? You know,
life goes on. This is it great to be able
to win tournaments and to accomplish the things I have
in the game of golf. Yet I mean, it brings
tears my eyes just to think about, because it's literally
worked my entire life to become good at the sport
and to have that kind of sense of accomplishment, I
think is a pretty cool feeling. You know, to get
to live out your dreams it's very special, but at
the end of the day, it's like, I'm not out
(21:40):
here to inspire the next generation of golfers. I don't
I'm not here to inspire somebody else to be the
best player in the world, because what's the point. You know,
this is not a fulfilling life. It's it's fulfilling from
the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling from a
sense of like the deepest places of your heart. There's
a lot of people that make it to what they
thought was going to fulfill them in life, and then
you get there, and all of a sudden you get
(22:01):
to number one in the world, and then they're like,
what's the point. I really do believe that, because you.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Know, what is the point?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You're like, why do I want to win this tournament
so bad? That's something that I wrestle with on a
daily basis. It's like showing up with the Masters every year.
It's like, why do I want to win this golf
tournament so badly? Why do I want to win the
Open Championship so badly? I don't know, because if I win,
it's gonna be awesome for about two minutes, and then
we're going to get to the next week and it's
gonna be like, hey, you want two majors this year?
How important is it for you to win the FedEx
(22:27):
Cup playoffs? And it's just like we're back here again,
you know, So we really do. We work so hard
for such little moments, and you know, I'm kind of
a sick o. I love putting in the work, I
love being able to practice, I love getting out to
live out my dreams. But at the end of the day,
sometimes I just don't understand the point.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's an inserting one and I'll share with you this
personal story. Okay, when I I was at ESPN ten years,
nine years in Bristol, and it was really really hard
when I left because and I think ESPN obviously it's
interesting now if you say ESPN, there will be as
(23:08):
many negative comments as there is positive comments. Some of
it's fair, a lot of it's unfair where you're taking
you know, literally every network has gone through this where
because politics has become so unbelievably divisive that if you
(23:29):
take the comments of one and you put it to
the whole, especially as as big as ESPN is, as
many people are on at ESPN, that I think there's
there's an unfair negative connotation about the place. But my
boss here, scottis Shapiro, was there at the same time.
(23:50):
I loved it. I love that I worked at the magazine,
I wrote for dot com. I obviously at college basketball.
I had a radio show, and I started the radio
show doing like a late night seven p to one AM,
me and Chuck Wilson, and we all kind of grew
from there and then I ended up having kind of
four to seven the afternoon. And the point is that,
(24:10):
like when I got in, all those people that had
come through as producers and board ops, they kind of
grew and they're now bosses or running radio stations or
have gone off and become even bigger and brighter and better.
When it was really hard for me to leave, and
I remember I was so excited about doing moving home,
(24:35):
doing the Final four, doing the NCAA tournament. And then
I got done with the first year and I was
in California, but it wasn't as easy and the travel
was way harder, and we were working with people you
didn't know and they didn't know you. And it's a
completely different way of doing the exact same thing you've
done forever and you're just so uncomfortable. And I came
(25:00):
up with an idea for a book, and the idea
for the book is kind of what Scotti Schffler's saying,
and which is the I was trying to think of,
like the top of the mountain has no chairs, right
because there's no ability. You just don't have the ability
to enjoy your successes. Now, for me, part of it
(25:21):
was I was doing a radio shows, doing a TV show,
and I was doing college basketball. If I had just
done college basketball and just done the Final four, I
have no doubt in my mind I would have really
enjoyed that time off with my summer. I you know,
my personal life kind of started to, I don't want
to say degrade. I still had, I thought a great
peron because I was working so much and striving for
(25:44):
more and more and more and more more. There were
things that I wasn't able to do and I didn't
do for my family, for my ex spouse, and you
kind of come to realize that, you know, one, you
either have to take ownership of your life and going, hey,
I gotta take time for the people that I care
(26:04):
about and not just for my job. And then two
you have to have to find a life partner that
embraces that part of you, you know, because if you're
with somebody who doesn't enjoy the climb, doesn't enjoy the fight,
you know, it's like, hey, you won, you're good, smile,
enjoy it, and you know, just cruise and have a
(26:26):
great life. I think I could do that, but I
don't think that's who I am. I Jay Stude, you
know who Bruce Gilbert is, right. Bruce used to be
our boss a long time ago at ESPN Radio. He
was once supon time the boss at Fox Sports Trade.
I think he runs Westwood Radio now yea, And I
(26:47):
never get my first year broadcasting. Bruce called me in
and he was just like first year of ESPN Russia
and he's my radio Boston. He was like, hey, I
got good news and bad news, and the good news
was we you know, I know, you don't don't really
watch that much hockey. You'd never have to talk hockey again.
Every study we've seen, everyone we've seen says, you know,
(27:08):
you talk about hockey on national radio. Creat He's like, hey,
here's the negative is you gotta do better baseball. You
come out of college basketball and at the time, baseball
was incredibly important and we're located in the northeast Red
Sox Yankees, et cetera. And he he said, we start
talking about like who you are as a person, and
I said, I'm a more guy. He's like, what do
(27:28):
you mean. I said, I just there's never been a
thing in my life time in my life where I
haven't wanted more. You know, binge watching shows is like
made for me because if I watch the show, I
gotta watch ten.
Speaker 8 (27:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
One of the reasons I rarely drink is because I
just again I do, I will do things to excess.
I'm not excessive compulsive, but I'm I just. I always
want the next thing. I get an opportunity, I want
another opportunity, I get a chance, I want another chance.
I get a job or another job. I make ten,
I want twenty. And at the time it was this
(28:08):
is who I am, which is great, but there is
there can be a lack of fulfillment with just enjoying
the daily w and enjoying what you the success you
have while still pursuing that excellence. Anyway, when I hear
Scotty Scheffler talk about it, I relate to it. I
understand it can be super super lonely, it can be
(28:32):
super unfulfilling, and you do feel robotic if you're a
process orange a guy and you're constantly going to practice
arrange like what am I doing this for? But I
also will tell you that when you take that competitive
event out of somebody's life, they just search for things
to compete with. And that's when it doesn't It doesn't
(28:54):
work outside the sports world. Like I actually think, like, hey, Scotty,
you don't you should do not go to the Masters
next year, watch it at home or be away from it,
and that's how you'll know if you're jonesing for it.
The hardest thing for most athletes, that first year is terrible.
And I tell coaches this all the time. I told
(29:15):
Irban Meyer this before he went back and took the
Jacksonville Jaguars job. I was like, hey, if you do games,
this is remember he was ESPN, then he went back,
then he was Fox, then he went back to the Jaguars, right,
And I was like, if you do games, if you
call games live, you're gonna want to coach. If you're
in the studio maybe maybe not, but if you're at
(29:36):
the actual stadium, you're at the arena, you're gonna want
to do it. Why because you're a competitor and all
the goosebumps on your arm come up because you don't
even care if you're in the losing locker room. You
just want a chance. You just want to scoreboard and
a bunch of guys and a bunch of coaches and
try and figure out how to win. Anyway, I think
some of this is in his wiring, some of it
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is in generationally that people are searching for fulfillment at
an age in which that's not really time for fulfillment.
And some of it is in the fact that maybe
some of us are also screwed up in that we
just love the competition on a daily basis. That ends
my ted talk Jase too, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
All makes sense to me? That's your experience. Absolutely. I
think that the one thing that I heard the second
time we played this chef or sound is that he
is telling us that he has either been to therapy
or wants to go to therapy to resolve whatever is
that disallows him to enjoy the wins. Because I don't
(30:41):
think every athlete is wired this way. I do think
that very few athletes are wired to be sophisticated enough
to articulate it as well as he did. In other words,
I don't have faith in a lot of athletes articulating
that if they feel it. But I think he's telling
us he needs to fix whatever is preventing him from
(31:02):
being fulfilled by these wins.
Speaker 9 (31:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I think, listen, there's a lot of ways in which
people go after fulfillment, right, guys. Sometimes it's drugs, sometimes
it's women, Sometimes it's you. You keep trying for that
next win, thinking Okay, now I'll feel the fulfillment. And yeah,
I mean therapy is a is a good route. You
(31:28):
mentioned relationships and not having that as a kind of
background or a support system. If you will for everything
he does, I think that would be interesting. I think also,
you know, if you don't want to do it, if
it's not bringing you joy, you don't want to compete, fine,
plenty of dudes that do. I low second time through
What do you hear when you listen to listen to?
Speaker 6 (31:50):
I think that's what made this such a fascinating topic.
But just like Jason, I caught something the second time
that I didn't catch the first time. Of course, what
I caught was a lot more impressive and insightful than
what Jason caught just trying to bust your chops there.
It was at the very end when he basically said,
(32:14):
but I still love the process. I love the work
that goes into it. And to me, that told me
a lot, because, as you mentioned, Doug, there's so many
different types out there. Some people achieve one thing, they're
immediately onto the next thing. I think there's other people
who are in love with the process and not necessarily
(32:38):
the result. And what I'm talking about is kind of
the boring little details of our respective professions that might
seem boring to an outsider, but it's the kind of
thing that people who really love the process like like
for this specific role. This might sound weird to a
lot of other people, but when we get to Wimbledon
(33:01):
and the French Open, I enjoy the process of trying
to track down these wacky pronunciations from these tennis players
from all over the world like Bulgaria and Hungary, and
I have no idea, but you have to be able
to enjoy those kinds of boring details. And we've heard
(33:21):
athletes throughout our coverage of sports say you know, I
knew it was time to retire when I stopped enjoying practice,
when I stopped enjoying the preparation for games. I think
people have said, you know, that's kind of the litmus test.
When part of the joy of sports has been the
process and that's taken away, then you know it's time
(33:44):
to move on. And the second time around, I heard
that for Scotti Scheffler, that's something that he still enjoys,
which I didn't really which didn't really resonate the first
time I heard it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
By the way, he is married, right, I can check
he's married.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
He's married, he's later on. It might even be in
the third cut that his wife is exceptionally supportive and
tries to celebrate the wins and thanks him for working
so hard. And you know, when I bring up that
people are unfulfilled who haven't shared love, I'm not talking
about like somebody to support you. That's a very like
(34:20):
egocentric way of looking at right. I get married to
have somebody to support me. If you're not in a
relationship where the love is equal, then that's unfulfilling, you know.
The So I think she's this part of wife. She's
probably a great pro golfer wife personal life is missing.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I don't know. I don't There's there's part of it
where you're like, look a pro golfer's life, and most
of us are like, dude, really private jets, great hotels.
You're playing golf for a living, but you aren't home,
right and even when you're home, you're not home. And look,
(35:05):
I do know it's different. You're making millions, maybe hundreds
of millions of dollars. But we can relate to the
anybody who's been married, like, baby, I'm gonna go play golf,
like what? And again, when he goes and plays golf,
it ain't like he's just, you know, gonna play quick nine.
You know, like there's a whole process to it. And
when you have I think he has a little son
(35:26):
like you do, you want to be home. But the
problem with that is that all that sounds good, but
a real competitor, I just I think the second you
don't have it is the second you go like, what
am I doing? I miss it? I want to be
out there. It sucks to not be home. Here's here's
one Rissillo had a take and I think it was
(35:49):
a long time ago when he was over at ESPN
and it may have been an off air take, but
I think it was on air. And his thing was
always like, you know, there's there's always this kind of
heroic thing for women who have a child and they
go back to work, and you're like, you have kids.
He was like, you have kids? To me, what's it
(36:10):
like to go back to work? I was like, it sucks.
All you want to do is be home? Like all
you want to do, Like, is those those little moments
you get now if you're at home and you're a
stay at home mom and stay at home dad, You're like, dude,
I will trade with you any time you want, anytime.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
I just want to have adult conversation.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So again, I fall back on the I am one
of the I don't know if it's one percent, if
it's five percent, if it's ten percent. I don't feel
like I've ever worked a day in my life. And
it's because I truly love everything that I've done. I
haven't loved who I've done it for, or I haven't
(36:52):
less they loved how I've prepared, how I've performed, or
who I've worked with or who I've worked for. But
it's just the overall, d I have what I do like.
Dude's awesome, awesome, And I don't know if Scotty is
that guy. He just might be really really good at
it and has done it for a long time. And
the second somebody goes like, hey, you want to do
(37:14):
something else to be like, yeah, but I do think
you'll miss the competition.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
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Speaker 1 (37:20):
Be sure to catch us live every weekday from three
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in the Major League Baseball, longtime analyst at at ESPN
(37:43):
and with the Athletic and he's launched his own site
called Welcome to Glanville and he joins us now on
Fox Sports Radio. Are you a home run derby guy?
Speaker 8 (37:56):
I am absolutely, I'm enjoying it. I had a good time.
I was on the call, and I think part of
It is the awe that you see not only just
as a fan and how far O'Neill Cruz hits the ball,
but watching other major league players, major League All stars
kind of be reduced to their ten year old selves
just watching something that seemed impossible. So I enjoy that
(38:17):
part of it. And you know, family, You think about
Raleigh with his dad and his brother and a lot
of those connections. So for that reason and those many
I do appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I bring it up just because I don't know, like
it's been going on a while. I thought having the
Big Dumber when it was good, considering the first half
of the season he's had. On the other hand, it
is kind of you know, it is kind of three
point shooting chucking contest at some point, and it does
it can drag a little bit, can drag a little bit.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Yeah, they were trying to make it a little faster
with the two minutes, but you know, still kept going.
Speaker 9 (38:54):
But but yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
What I was going to tell you was, oh, I
know it's go say okay, so help me out, cal Raley.
Do you think he can continue at this pace in
the second half playing catcher?
Speaker 8 (39:10):
I mean, it's hard to do, and the reason being
you're losing probably twenty pounds. I know Mike Piazza used
to talk about how much weight he would lose. I know,
I lost twenty five pounds in my first minor league season.
It's tough to just keep that energy. And by the way,
he has all these other jobs besides hitting, he's managing
a staff, he's in meetings, he's there's so much extra
(39:33):
and at a position that's so violent and you know,
foul ball off the mask, everything's really beating up on
your body. So that's that would be hard. It's not
that you know, he has the if he was playing
first base or DH I said, yeah, sure, he could
keep it up. I think it's just so much harder
as a catcher.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, still kind of remarkable. And now he's a catcher,
but doing it in Seattle, where not a hitter's ballpark
by any means. The Dodgers, if you were running the Dodgers,
obviously their pitching staff, you feel like is going to
get healthier, but hit a tough stretch there at the
(40:10):
end of the first half of the season. Any changes
you would make.
Speaker 8 (40:14):
Oh, I mean, the problem, like many teams are facing
is you just can't stay healthy, and the Dodgers have
been really an extreme end of that spectrum with some
of the real key pictures. I remember the first meeting
we had earlier in the season when we opened with
Tiger's Dodgers, a question came up. David Cohen was like, hey, Dave, like,
how many starters do you have? Like who's He's like,
(40:37):
I know, your top five, who's there? Six through ten?
You know, And the fact is they had answers six
through ten that were full of all stars and very
capable of pictures that just weren't healthy. So you know,
to me, how do you deal with that? Well, you
do what they did last year. You kind of hope
that they have enough help to get to the right position,
and then you go and get another arm or someone
(40:58):
to sort of.
Speaker 9 (40:59):
Pick it up.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
Like Bets and Freeman and guys that have been really
incredible are struggling, and you know, Bets moving from right
field and playing short and that's just sort of like
what you just talked about with Kyle Rally. It's exhausting
to play shortstop exhausting, and you know, he's a great athlete,
He's definitely getting older. That's not easy to keep up.
And and is he you know, is he the best
(41:22):
option there? You know, not only because of defense, but
because his offensive productivity. If you can connect those dots,
maybe maybe a problem and maybe sort of hurting him.
So they have to figure that out. But I think
they would have a very different setup if the playoffs
started tomorrow. I think they'd have very different defensive alignments.
(41:44):
Things would be different because now you're just trying to
win one game at the top.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Doug Landville. Okay, if if we're not, if
we who do you think is the biggest challenger to
the Dodgers. I've asked everybody this just because you know,
there's a good group of National League teams, Cubs, Phillies, Brewers.
(42:09):
You know, you could kind of you go probably six
six deep or so if you had to, you had
to bet your new site Welcome to Glanville on it.
Who would be the biggest competitor of the Dodgers in
the playoffs Phillies.
Speaker 8 (42:21):
I say the Phillies, And because going into the season,
the thing that kept circling.
Speaker 9 (42:26):
Around is that they have a really deep.
Speaker 8 (42:29):
Pitching staff, and it's just like any other team if
they stay healthy. You're talking about you know, six starters
and guys. And this is Dave Dombroski right there, the
front off or head of baseball operation. Dave Dombroski is
very aggressive at the trade deadline, very aggressive and getting
star power, very aggressive and getting pitchers that have swinging
this and velocity, and always goes out and gets an
(42:50):
extra starter just in case. So with that mentality, and
you know, you're hitting Schwerber, Harper, whoever, all these really
good bats, Trade Turner having.
Speaker 9 (42:59):
A good year.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
You know, this is the year where if those guys
are at their best and they get the arms, then
the Dodgers have to contend with the team that has
you know, three starters easily in the postseason, plus two
guys that can come in the bullpen and change roles.
That is really something that a lot of teams don't have.
So they can prevent runs and they can score runs.
(43:20):
So that's I'd say that's a big challenge for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yes, Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, speaking of the
National League, where are you and Mesrawski being in the
All Star game.
Speaker 8 (43:33):
Well what I the way I think of it is
this way. Yeah, five games not much of a body
of work obviously, So that's that's not you know, I mean,
I know Paul schemes and there's others that didn't necessarily
have like a full season. I don't put a lot
on the kid. It's not his fault. You know, these
guys are electric arm and there's no doubt baseball is
trying hard to appeal to younger audiences and having young
(43:56):
talent that's on display makes a big difference because they
can see themselves like, oh yeah, this guy's exciting. It's
like Pete crow Armstrong. Kids fall he like the Pied Piper.
Kids follow him everywhere, and that's good for the next
generation of the game. So, but does that make you
an All Star? You know, that's whether you know, that's
the question. And when you have Trey Turner, guys we
just mentioned Christopher Sanchez that have had really good full
(44:20):
halves or close to it, you know, that's hard when
you know that there's so many other teams and players
that were bonifide full time All Stars. That's the that's
the question for me. I look back at my own
career ninety eight ninety nine had really good first halves.
It's sort of like a Jacob Wilson, a lot of hits,
not a lot of powers, full some bases played defense,
and I, you know, and I realized that if the
(44:41):
wind blew another direction, maybe that could have.
Speaker 9 (44:43):
Gotten in those two years.
Speaker 8 (44:44):
And so that's how close a lot of players are
just by just you know, playing every single game of
the first half. So with Miserowski, it's very hard because
he just says five games. I mean, that's just not
a lot. He could he could up two bad starts
in a row and have a six CRA. I mean,
that's how fragile those numbers are. But we're in an
era where it's much more when you think about player advancement,
(45:06):
who gets called up, who gets drafted, who gets advanced.
It's a lot to do with metrics. It's not as
much like, oh, you hit three seventeen in the minors.
You look the part, you have, the data you have
and it sort of plays at the big league level.
And so it's not as much about like, oh, you
hit a certain number, and I think mis Roski is
the guy that has the arm. You're not worried about
(45:27):
era or what it could be. You're looking at a
guy throwing one hundred and two miles an hour and
blowing Major leagu hitterers away.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, yep, I hear it. Stug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, let's go. Let's go over to the
American League. In your mind, biggest question the team, biggest
question heading into the second half of the season in
the American League is.
Speaker 9 (45:50):
What as the whole league or by by team, by.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Like one team. Sorry that's on me.
Speaker 8 (45:57):
Well, okay, Detroit Tigers is this is a team that
is just running people over and they're doing it in
a way they would never have said was going to
be the way, right they because we saw them opening
day A J. Hinchster manager was like, you know, we're
kind of run for prevention. We have a young team.
We're going to outpitch you and my thirteen guys are
(46:19):
going to beat your nine. Like that's that's how he
kind of laid it out. Well, they've ended up being
way better offensively, and you know, Riley Green just you know,
Baia is just you know, back from the dead and
you have just incredible performances offensively that you have the
question of can they sustain it. They're going to ask
that question from an offensive standpoint, So.
Speaker 9 (46:39):
Do they go get a big bat?
Speaker 8 (46:41):
So that's a big question for me, because they get
a big back like a O Suarez or someone like that.
Now you're looking at a team they're like, oh wait
a minute, that's that puts them in sort of Yankee land, right,
And and the Yankees still I think have tremendous you know,
their offense also could use Suarez as every other team,
but they they have those question marks if they stay
(47:02):
healthy and they have to pitch. But they have a
lot of experienced bats that are productive. So I see
them as much more stable on that side of the equation.
But the Tigers just they out maneuver you. They're they're
just really good. So I see those two teams, as
you know, in the in the category of punching at
each other.
Speaker 9 (47:21):
And then do not forget the Houston.
Speaker 8 (47:22):
Asters because they flat out pitch Hunter Brown not getting
out of enough love because it's Eric Scooble, who's great
watch out because they shut you down.
Speaker 9 (47:32):
It's hard to score off for their bullpen.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, I mean circling back to the Tigers and struggle,
they get swept by the Mariners right for the break
and uh and they get they get some they got
they got tough road swing to start the second half
of the season. Doug, tell me about the site real quick,
Welcome to Glendell.
Speaker 9 (47:47):
Yeah, well, it's a it's a writing side. You know.
Speaker 8 (47:49):
I came into the ESPN and other places by writing,
and uh, it's hard today to kind of have a
consistent sort of column because there's so much noise, there's
so much going on, and I wanted to get back
to the roots of writing consistently. And the thing is,
I wanted to share with an audience that I'm a
fan too, and we're all fans in this together. I
still love the game, and so I wanted to create
(48:11):
a place where I'm writing stories about the game that
aren't just like breaking news or hot topics, but just
about like the deeper dives into you know, experiences. So
whether it's you know, Pete Rose and getting you know,
a pathway to getting into the Hall of Fame, whether
today I'm going to write a piece about the color
Wars that were the seventies and eighties and all Star
games that were vibrant and colors and you know, I
(48:32):
talk about the bulletin board that was over my bed
that had an autograph picture of Bob Boone and I
just go back to, you know, stories that are just
personal with the humanity of the game at the center.
And most important, it's interactive. So I want to hear
from fans. I want to hear from people because I'm
a fan.
Speaker 9 (48:47):
I'm just like.
Speaker 8 (48:47):
Fanning out with everybody. And it's done well, you know,
and you can subscribe. It's a newsletter format, so you
go on, you enter your email and there's a free
subscription and if you love it, you can do the
paid and get some additional content. But you know, I'll
just welcome you into the world of Landol that's the
name of my town. Name kind of thing. And it's
(49:08):
about baseball. It's about fandom, but it's also where baseball
impacts way beyond things outside the lines.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
Doug, you are the best man. I can't wait to
check out the site. I know you enjoy the game.
Let's do this again as the second half of the season
gets ready to get started. Thanks for our guest and
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (49:22):
All right, Doug, thank you
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