July 16, 2025 • 42 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug talks about the MLB All-Star game and how the game was decided with a Swing-Off.
In this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew choose between travel preferences.
Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about golf, Bill Belichick and other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Broadcasting from a We're bicoastal here right. Some of us
are in southern California, one of us is in the
northeastern Wisconsin. Just had a classic summer thunderstorm go through
here in Scannie. As we react to last night's All
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Star Game and a lot of takeaways, we'll get to
them in a moment. John middlecaff will join us as
we're getting closer and closer to training camp, getting un
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a son. Where is he? You may have heard from
a Sibilanos. We'll discuss it more throughout the show. Plus
we got the midway to which we'll talk about travel
and where you stay in travel's. That's that's what I
get to, uh, welcome in listen. I watched last night's
All Star Game, not not first to last pitch. I'm
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not going to sit here and lie, but I did
actually see national anthem, and then I was you know,
I played I think nine holes yesterday and then was
having a couple of beverages watching the first couple innings,
went to a buddy's house and watched the last couple winnings,
and when it went to extra innings, this was one
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of those I just kind of be honest with you.
I had no idea that's how they decided the All
Star Game. None, and I'm guessing none of us did.
Jay stud Did you have any idea that they did
a swing off?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Nope, not a bit. Didn't know one thing about it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm not I'm not a bashed to say that I
didn't know. The only thing I knew heading into this
All Star Game was two things. One Miss Rowski was
a controversial pick, and two that they were gonna use
abs and and we'll see kind of how it looked. Okay,
so I'm gonna offend defend Ken Rosenthal against Eric Hosmer,
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who's like, dude, you not get the job that you
actually have. Now we'll get to that in a second.
And then ABS was great. It was like cyclops. It's
like the tennis thing, like, man, why haven't had that sooner?
And the answer is they actually do have it in
the minor leagues. I don't know what we're waiting for.
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That thing was fantastic. You just touch your helmet, they
review it. It shows in the replaying like, ah, oh,
look at that just barely a strike. And I said
this on the podcast, they'll say it for real here,
which is I kind of think last night in the ABS,
I gotta be honest, I think the umpster a little
bit better. When we give him credit. He's like, man,
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that's really really close. That's really really hard. There's no
way that the human eye can actually see baller strike
when it's that close. You're guessing, and if you say otherwise,
you're lying, Like it's really hard. You gotta be really
good and you're gonna make mistakes. But I do think
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that baseball has done a bad job, just like hockey.
It's like hockey, isn't overtime in hockey like three on
three with a goalie, But most people don't know that
because they don't want regular season hockey. Like I had
no idea, Like, yeah, it's like a different sport. So
here's what happens. Okay. Each league got to send up
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three hitters who each got three swings apiece. Whichever side
had the most total homers would win the game. That's
really how they decided the All Star Game. The National
League came out on top thanks to Schwarber. He had
three homers in his three swings. In total the NFL,
the NL had four homers compared to three for the
American League, and it was six to six at the
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end of nine. So I was entertained. Although I do
think that one of the things Baseball's All Star Game
has to kind of figure out is, you know, the
game is generally start the stars and get them in early,
and then get them out of the game. So All
Star Games are usually decided by guys. You're like, I've
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never heard of this guy. He's the one pick a
team who they had to have have an All Star.
You know Matt Olsen, for example, who a couple of
years ago amazing, but this year not amazing. And he
was the Braves guy and the Brave slugger. And he
was playing first base late in the game, at bat
late in the game, which is fine because he's been
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an All Star caliber player before in his career, but
really not this year. Only reason he was there because
it was the Braves in Atlanta. They needed a player.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Do I think it's the best way to decide a game?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Did I think it was entertaining? Yeah? Is it different? Yeah,
it's an All Star game. I'm not offended. Is anybody
offended by it? Sam? Are you offended by it? You're like,
this is a travesty and a mockery, a Travis sham mockery.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Did swing off?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I At first I thought Jason Stewart would. It would
elicit some kind of you're annoying, but we all kind
of came to the same conclusion that it was fun.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Fun. Did you know it was coming?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, Because I mean, when's the last time an All
Star Game ended in a tie?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Milwaukee? I think you know too? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Okay, Well, a long time ago, so I yeah, and
I don't think they had this rule at that time.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So no, that was the tie. That was when they
started to go it means more and they started having
it decided to home field advantage. I enjoyed it, though,
well are you gonna say just okay?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I enjoyed it. I thought, uh, I had no idea
what was coming. The swing off was weird. Of course,
the first thing you ask yourself, they didn't. I don't
think they did a great job of explaining this. And
as it did, I missed it. Why wasn't Judge and
on show? Hey? Uh in at the end, I guess
it's bed.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Were they gone?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So it took off?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, I thought they were gone. I mean that's that again.
That's part of the deal is they come in and
they're like, I'm good, I'm done. Okay, I'm gonna just
Irish exit at the back door. We did establish it's
the IRIS exit, right, because the Italian exit has got
to be everybody's got to know that you're going. It's like, hey,
Joey's going, Joey's gone, Hey Joey's.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Raven's kissing goodbye. The Irish hit is IRIS. So blacked
out drunk. You wander out the back door.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I did not say that you did. I know that
you're right, but again, you wander out the back door.
So Aaron Judge show hey, o Tani Irish exit. I
was thinking the same thing. And I again, I was
as at a buddy's house who has a big golf
sim and then a couple of big TVs. And we're watching.
We're like tied, and we're like tide again. Now what
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and then all of a sudden they start doing the
swing off. I wasn't really paying attention, like wait, that's
this is what they do, and no one in the
room had any idea. And they were much bigger baseball
fans than I were. And somebody did ask like we're
show hey, Whereas I was like they they I'm sure
they were out of there because I remember Derek Jeter,
like in his last All Star Game, was like second
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inning and then all of a sudden, there's like a plane.
They're like, there goes Jeter's playing. Those dudes are out out.
I heard Colins say that it was the greatest All
Star game he'd watched. What was that in years or
in a year or ever. I'm not sure a bit
of hyperbole, but it would actually actually be accurate for
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me because I never watched All Star games. So yeah,
it was good. It's a good celebration of the sport.
It was fine. You know, it ends up a cent
being a tie and then you have kind of a
creative ending. I'm not offended by any of it. The
only thing that I was left walking away from the
game was how have we waited this long for ABS?
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And imagine the fact that we don't have it for
the second half of the year. We like just had
it for the All Star Game. Clearly works pretty easy.
It's been used in the minor league, so it's not
like last night was the first night. Like they're way
past the beta testing and you're sitting there thinking why
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would we go without this? It's so much better, and
it's better for the umpires, you know, call your ball,
call your strike, and then people are going to see
when you miss, when you make a mistake, you're making
a mistake by like a millimeter. So I think most
people thought I could be wrong. Most people thought that
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ABS would make the umpires look like clowns because of
how badly they missed ball and strike. Calls. I think
that's a fair fair perception to have. Oh, it's just
gonna show how bad these three blind mice are. Reality is,
it's really hard. The margin is so very slight. And
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of all of those calls, some were reversed, some were not. Again,
you're talking about a speck of a baseball coming in
low to mid to upper nineties and you got to
make a split second call on a millimeter or less
of baseball and whether or not it comes to in
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the zone. ABS was a win, with the exception of
the fact that it's been ready to be used for
two years now. It makes the umpires look better or
not worse. Everybody likes it. It's quick, it's easy, it
doesn't actually extend the game, and yet we're still not
going to have it for the rest of the season.
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it's first time listening to this show. Let me in
you a segment we do. It's the middle of the show.
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It's the middle of the day, it's the middle of
the week. And uh we call it the Midway. It's
not getting the middle it's time for.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay. We got my band Ryan Smith, he's on the
ones and Tues, Monte Bolanos who's doing our updates, and
of course our steam producer and leader, the one only
Jason Stewart. So here's the midway topic we sort of
tried to get into last week and then we got
diverted by sports. Oh god sports. So and it does
relate to I think now I would even take this
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to when you go and you do a you know
you're going taking a ball game, which is if you
go and travel let's say months, you pick your dream
country to travel to this summer, if you had the
time off of the money.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh, you're putting me on the spot.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
But let's go to Spain, Spain, Let's go to Ourcelona.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
See, then you had to show off. I got to
show off, Jay Stu. Pick a country that if you
had the money and you had the time, you'd go
in you and you're smoking out. Girlfriend Christine would go
and visit.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
South Africa has the least regulated bungee jumps. In other words,
if you bungee jump in California, there's a restriction on
how far you could fall, and you have to go
you have to be uh, you have to have a
cradle on your mid section instead of your ankles. But
in South and South Africa you could drop five hundred
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feet into a ravine by by your ankles. So I
want to go to South Africa yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
How many people die per year?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
But South Africa that's part of the whole entrigue. If
you can't die, why do it?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I actually have the exact opposite thing. If you can die,
don't do it right right? That's really like it's like
hot air balloon, like yeah, we saw that thing in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Like I'm good, scary, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm good. Ryan Smith, Bryan. If you could, if you
had the money and you had the time, where would
you go? Visit?
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Probably someplace safer, like I don't know, maybe like Jamaica
or something.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, Jamaica, yeah, okay, safe if you have a Jamaica
is very safe. I think you might need a Google anyway.
So here's the question. Right, like I've been I was
trying to go recruit in Croatia, and you just it's time,
travel expense whatever. I have told people that I'm going somewhere,
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and I'm not going to tell anybody where I'm going.
I'm actually gonna try and tear off my phone. You know.
The over under is is one day and how long
I keep the phone off. But I've told people that.
So here's the question. Say you go somewhere, whether it's Spain,
I guess we'll throw in Jamaica, South Africa. By the way,
when I hear South Africa, doesn't everybody who's like our
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age j stew think of does that leath a weapon? Three?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Two?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Is that two two? But you'll you'll blick. But you're
black anyway, very much. If you're a movie guy, a
nineties movie guy, you know what I'm talking about. Anyway,
would you rather stay at a resort or would you
rather be among the common folk and just get a flat,
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get a verbo and just kind of be You know,
some people when they like to travel, they go either
to a resort and stay there, or they go like
a day here, day there and they stay in like
nice hotel, nice hotel, nice hotel, and they go out
in the town. Some people do it with the cruises
or would again, would you do any of those or
would you rather, hey, just find a like a Greek
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village and just post up there and feel what it's
like to be Greek. Get up every morning and have
your nest cafe, you know, take your afternoon nap, because
they do the siesta in Greece as well. They do
it in Spain. Right, say you go to Barcelona, Manci
and you do that. Would you rather have like a
little just little cottage and you spend like ten days there?
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Or is you rather be in a beachside resort and
have people feeding your grapes like you're a sultant.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
That's what I want.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I if I'm planning the trip, I'm gonna pick a resort.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I'm gonna do something like that.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I'm not against staying in like a cottage or like,
you know, getting the full experience, but that means somebody
else's planning the trip. That's not what I'm gonna plan.
We're staying at a resort.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Jay Stu. You go to South Africa, Okay, you're gonna
go jump off some freaking bridge atop of seven hundred
foot ravine. You can go down four five hundred feet
or whatever and maybe die, maybe not die. Whatever. Would
you rather kind of feel the culture and stay at
a nice flat somewhere in I don't know, I don't
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know what. Johannesburg, just just throwing out, like, you know,
literally only city I know of in South Africa? Or
would you rather stay at a really nice resort or
hotel or you know, do the do the even do
the Safari thing in.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
South Yeah, this, this to me has everything to do
with the place that you're going to. So South Africa
is probably a bad example. I think they hate white
people now, like farmers are getting slaughtered. I'm not even joking.
But Playa del Carmen. I went there once in Mexico,
south of whatever that city is called that everyone knows now.
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I stayed at the resort, had an amazing time, all
inclusive food and everything else. One of my buddies and
his girlfriend ventured outside the resort to do some quote
shopping shopping at the local and uh, while it's stolen
at gunpoint. So that's my answer, I'm going to stay
at the resort. If it is a dangerous place to
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Americans or white people.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay, but if it's not a dangerous place to Americans
or white people, or even if you know people of
dark skin whatever, like you're just a because outside of
South Africa, where would you go?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I again, my example was was Mexico. But the in general,
I want to stay with the people. If when I
go to New York City, I want to I want
to just do do the village. I want to know.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Those are more of the except what you're saying is Mexico.
I agree with you. South Africa, I relatively agree with you. Right,
those two places, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. But for
the most part, you'd rather do the be part of
the people, which is kind of where I am. Right.
I thought that too, And this comes from when I
was playing basketball. We played against US playing in Israel,
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played against Beshiktash, which is in Turkey, right, and I
just remember, you know, we had a day off and
I just got up and I like walked down the
street to this bizarre and it literally is like akraba
uh in Aladdin. Nobody tried to sell me the genie
and the lamp, but you see these rugs, you see
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you see dates, you see everything. And it also brings
me back to when I played professionally in France. I
was a replacement player for a guy that got hurt.
I was there for a month and a half. And
during that month and a half that I was there,
I had a little flat. I'd get up in the
morning across the street was like a little pastry shop,
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you know, so I'd get a pastry and then i'd
get a coffee at there's a little coffee place like
two doors down, and then I'd walk to the gym.
And then after practice in the morning, I'd walk to
this little little cafe b stro bar and there was
no menu that you just sat down. You had whatever
they were the lunch special was, and they would serve
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it for you, and you know, you'd either you did
have another coffee or have a beer, and then you
go back to the flat and you take a nap,
and then you go back to work and you have
practice in the afternoon, and then you'd go back to
the bar and have dinner there and you walk home
and you do it again on cycle. And I was like, man,
this is what it's like to be French should have
a job. I mean, I didn't work at a factory,
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but I worked at a basketball gym. But still kind
of the same idea. But again, it's not for everybody
because that you'll have people who you know, they'll tell
you like I don't want to do especially women, We'll
say like I don't want to dishes on my vacation.
That's why they won't go to the you know, wherever
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they stay. They won't stay somewhere that has the kitchenettes
in there. You know, like, Hey, I do dishes at home.
I don't want to do dishes here. I'm sure if
you're dish guy, I don't want to do dishes. Ryan
Smith be a tiebreaker. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Wow, poor Jason Stewart unsafe for white people. I guess
I have black privilege. That's great.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
I don't want to stay at someone else's place. Give
me a hotel, resort or something. I'm paranoid. I just
think bad things will happen to me, so I go
with the resort.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah. So so wait, you're you're you're calling out Jason
for his Yeah, I get it. He's a little bit
on social media there, but I'm sure there's in some
levels there's reality. I don't know. I don't want to
dig in that's not this show. But then you said, like, yeah,
I'd feel unsafe too, So I'm staying in a resort.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Yeah, basically like a hotel. I don't want being someone
else's home. I just I don't know, just just makes
me paranoid, just just just my personal preference.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, I guess I can see that. There is a
certain element to I. You know, you stay in a verbo,
You're like, do they have a is there a camera
in here? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yes, yes. And my theory is that, like all of
those stories, the sourcing on those stories is the hotel industry.
Like that's how fierce this uh hotel versus Airbnb thing is.
You really can't believe a story about Airbnb because like,
what's the sourcing on this? Same with the taxis and
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uber and whatnot. There, you know, the taxi industry just
had like warehouses of people going on and giving horrible
reviews of ubers. Like you just can't underestimate the feistiness
of corporate capitalism.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The feistiness of corporate capitalism. Okay, Swedo, which anybody got
a big trip coming up.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I don't know if it's big, but I'm gonna go
to Florida in September so I can go do the
Halloween stuff like the univers the Universal Halloween Horonites.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
They you're flying to Florida, you know there's not scary
farm right down the street.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I know I do that every year. Six flags fully
do it every year. Apparently the Universe of Orlando one
is the one to do.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think you got that one off social media too. No,
how is it the one too?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Because they have you been to Universal in Orlando. It's ginormous.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
They even opened a new park and there's a Frankenstein ride.
But because they have more space, it's not the same
as here Universal Hollywood very different. They even have different mazes.
I don't know what the legality is of it, but
it doesn't even compare.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, have a Kinie bungee jump and there's basically you're
held on toothpair.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
No, I am, I'm going for scary fun, not you know,
want to die fun.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, I understand it's it's different, but Jase do am.
I am I the bad guy for staying the obvious,
which is like, you know they're not gonna touch you
or hurt you. It's not really that scary when you're
an adult, right.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
No, it's fun.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Just because you don't find it fun doesn't mean I
have to view it the way you do.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I find it super fun.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, I think usually it's fun because you're with a
bunch of your friends. Now most of those friends are
like fifteen, but you're like, you're fun and because you're
like all kind of scared together and you're running around.
How many people are going with you on this excursion?
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Oh, it's just me and the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And does he likes to be scared as well? He does.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
He enjoys it. He doesn't get scared the way I do.
But he likes the scary stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yes, well, and he also likes that you like that
scary stuff, So he'll do whatever you say. Old, I'm
gonna do because that's what we do, is guys, right.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Sure, But he likes the scary stuff, so I don't
have to. I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes, he does scary movies. I don't like all of it.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Scary movie we love. Scary movies are scarier the better.
There you go. Oh that's right, yeah, scarer of the better.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You guys, do know I hate scary movies.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Clearly, clearly you hate fun too.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I donate fun. I have I have a great like
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait in the
in the different like senses and reactions of midwork. How
as somebody saying I don't like scary movies saying I
don't like fun, like you have lots of fun, you know,
I don't like I don't like being scared because there's
enough things. I mean, Jason's petrified of people in South
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Africa because he's like, right, okay, Like there's enough scary
things out there that are real things to be scared of.
Right where you're scared of interest rates going up or
going down and causing inflation, you people, some people are
scared of Trump. Some people are scared when Trump's done.
Some people are scared of, you know, a nuclear holocaust
because of all the things that's going on that you're
scared of a million things. Right, We sell fear on
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TV and on radio on a daily basis. I just
don't need like artificial fear, That's my point. I have
any of I have plenty of organic natural you know,
like yeah, yeah, my daughter Grace flew across the country
she's in California. Like again, she's somebody gets overwhelmed by stuff,
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like I'm always worried, like, oh hell, what if somebody
forgets to pick her up and now I gotta find
her a ride an uber or whatever. She's just not great.
My son's at his summer camp he loves, and then
you see what happens in Texas? Is that camp be
like they're right next to a river, but it's in Maine,
next to New Hampshire, Like, okay, are they all safe there?
You know? My daughter Harper rides horses like she jumps
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over big, gigantic jumps. There's fear. I don't need any
more fear that. That doesn't mean I don't like fun.
It's just what your definition. I guess being scared is
your definition of fun, which I would disagree with.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That is my ted talk, and that is the Midway,
The Midway Steut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know,
by the way, Ryan Smith, have you seen Mike Frances's
take on Superman? Like Man, you love Superman? You said
it is a little too funny at times, that dude
hated it.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
It was fine, it was I give like a I
give it and eight out of ten. It wasn't perfect,
it wasn't great. I thought it was just good.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Has anybody seen F one? I want to see F one.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I think the answer when you asked it at this
time yesterday was no. Have any of our answers changed.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't know. I mean, I don't know what you
used to doing last night, Monsiet Yeah, okay, maybe tonight. Ogo.
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on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. All Right. John
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Mitacoff joins this three and out is in fact the podcast,
but he also has to Going Low podcast. I used
to be a club thrower and a mutterer, but I
just not good enough, nor do I play or practice
enough to be that guy. What do you like on
a bad day on the course, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
When I was younger, I was you know, my dad
probably wanted to kill me. It's an awful look, I
would say, as I've gotten into my thirties. I just
enjoy being outside in the sun. So whether I'm shooting
seventy five or ninety. The occasional f bomb, but the
days of throwing clubs and kicking in you know, lockers
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like Wyndham Clark are long gone. The occasional you know,
throw your hands up in the air, that's human, like
Scotty did last week. But the what Wyndham Clark this
year has has been on a tear.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, no doubt about it. What do you think of again?
I know we used to talk football, but you also
do the golf podcast Scotti Scheffler's remarks yesterday in regards
to just kind of being empty after winning majors, especially
the two Masters.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know what's funny is I'm glad you talked about
this because I saw you you talk about this yesterday.
I think I thought on social media for about eight minutes.
I think there are a lot of different variables because
I know your take and the emotion with some of
these younger guys never used to get talked about that.
There was a clip I thought today probably about an
hour ago, as Rodris Harrington, you know who's a Tiger
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generation was almost offended. You know, He's like it was
you know, what's he even talking about. I think there
are some parallels. Remember a couple of years ago, Adam
Silver said all of his players are miserable. Yeah, and
Scott I would say, Scottie Scheffler over the last eighteen
months starting last year through this year's probably made a
hundred million dollars. He made sixty five last year just
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on the course. So if you factor in Nike, which
she's obviously, him and Rory are their lead dogs. By
winning those tournaments, winning the Major as, the bonuses he
got might have been twenty million. Taylor, man, he's made
so much money where he's like he could quit today
and financially never. I do think Dad has ramifications, and
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I think the NBA is the same way. It's like
you're playing. Kevin Durant was a good example. He's like
I won, No one really cared, and then like it's
like what do I do now? You know? And I
think these guys now because they live on social media, Scotty,
not necessarily, but they have so much money in the accomplishment.
Like back in the day, even like when Tiger first started,
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you just you were constantly climbing because you had to
earn it. You had to earn it. Now it's like,
if you do have success, you get paid so much money.
And I do think that just warps you know, in
your twenties, how you just think about things. But I
also say this, you know Scotty's comments, if you just
read them, you'd be like, this guy doesn't really care,
Like his actions speak differently. Right, He's won essentially fifteen
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sixteen times over the last two years, so he's his
effort and how much he tries. It's not like he's
been phased by the money. But you could argue if
you watch that whole thing, he's kind of talking out
of both sides of his mouth because he says he
gets emotional when he cries, but also what's it all for?
But it's not like he's lazy, right, it's not. You know,
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he's working just as hard as you'd say, like, well,
Mahomes and Kelsey are still on the grind even after
all the championship, Like Scotty's still working like he's Tiger.
But I do think there's that generation of guy. I mean,
even Rory won the Masters, he's like, eh, I'm kind
of over it now, you know. So can you imagine
Tiger or Brady or MJ talking like that? You're Kobe,
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No chance.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Now, I think there's a lot to it. I also
think I don't know what youth golf is like, but
I can tell you that there's been a lot of
discussions about like youth basketball, and there are so many
more tournaments that winning one isn't a special as it
used to be. Now granted you're talking about majors, you're
talking about the Masters, there's only one, but when you've
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played in you know, five ex to tournaments of other people,
then winning one does not seem like at nearly a
big a thing. I mean, look that that By the way,
that's a comment that everyone I know was talking about yesterday.
That's really the interesting part about it.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I know it in fairness, you know, he didn't he
mentioned like regular PG events like the Byron Nelson in
his backyard. He didn't mention the Masters, which obviously means
a lot to no matter who. I do think there's
some you know that's where the NBA comp you know,
or just basketball, like regular season game like what is this?
Who cares? And like winning a regular PGA event, who cares,
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you know, I think there's some element to what he
said that parallel is like football world, right, whenever you
win a game. Let's say we're watching Sunday Night Football
and the Chiefs beat the Broncos and you're interviewing Patrick Mahomes.
He's like, well, we gotta we gotta stay focused because
we've got the Chargers coming up. It's just isn't that
kind of sports Like you're just always kind of on
to the next thing. So, I don't know, there are
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a lot of angles to this. I do think his
action back up that he really cares, right, because he's
been so good now for two years. It's not like
he's resting on his laurels, right, He's grinding and practicing.
And he didn't mention that that's the weird That's what
I'm saying. He was kind of just kind of randing.
But it's not like he had one specific point beside like, yeah,
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sometimes you win, you realize like no one actually cares
after a while.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's turn to the National Football League. Oh so many
little kind of little stories sort of kind of to
get through and to kind of sort of figure out.
By the way, Barry Sanders' birthday is today, I bring
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it up. I bring it up because you know, like
anytime you think somebody had a great year in college football,
check out Barry Sanders year. You're like, oh, I was
a lot a lot better. I think that Saquan is
the first guy who I can actually have a reasonable
conversation that does some of those freaky things. We've had
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great backs like Dereck Henry's are great back, like you
kind of go back. There's there's been all different big ones,
little ones. Marshall fall is abile to catch out of
the backfield or whatever. But in terms of doing things
where you make people miss and you jump over people
or make them look almost like Keystone cops, I think
Saquon's the first guy since Barry Sanders do that. Am
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I forgetting anybody? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I think physically from a strength standpoint, that was always
the underrated part about like Barry, like his size, how
strong he was. I mean some of those epics like
him dragging guys that were holding on for dear life.
I would say that Barry was I mean in this
day and age obviously, I mean he would dominate in
any air he was, he would have been viewed also
like an Lt. Marshall fall catching the ball. You know,
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I would say Saquon has solid hands, but I wouldn't
call him like Christian McCaffrey right now. He The difference
is like Barry, like you don't need to be a
great running back. You don't need exceptional like high end speed,
like you can be an all time grave like Frank
Gorey couldn't outrun anyone. But he's you're just a really
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really good player. Now if you do have the home
run hitting speed like Adrian Peterson, then it's like you
can be a major problem. And I think that like
that is Saquon's kind of curveball is like he gets
in the open field, he's literally faster than everyone else.
Gevin McCaffrey. Let's assume he's healthy this year. You know
he's gonna get caught a decent amount. And I would
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say Barry like Saquon, like they got in the open
field and there was green grass, and you know, bo Jackson,
like they see you. So it's like and that's what
makes Saquon so fun is I think last year, well
was it six or seven sixty plus yard runs, and
that's part of I mean, I would imagine anytime you
find a two thousand yard rusher, they had a decent
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amount of chunk runs, right, It's not all just five
and six yard carries.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean he was he was so amazing, so
amazing last year. Okay, let's kind of go around the
league here. Let's start with I think the most interesting
team this year is to Steelers. We've talked about them
a good amount. Let's kind of start getting to the
actual football league talkie, what do you think of the
roster compilation that they've made? Haven't extended TJ Watt to
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this point? What do you think of what Pittsburgh has
roster wise? Hand of the year.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You know, I think they're just so predicated on the
quarterback staying healthy and historically how often you guys once
they get over forty. I mean, he's an injury that
maybe used to go away in a week, last a month.
He can't scramble around like he used to when he's not,
you know, I mean, obviously a good pocket player, but
his game hasn't been predicated like Peyton or Brady were
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you He just sits there, his entire career, because that's
not how he had to play. So I just what's
more likely Rogers plays seventeen games and throws thirty two
touchdowns or you know, you look at Rogers, you know
game log in ten years and he starts nine of
him because he has some injuries. So I think that's
going to be the problem. I just have a hard
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time seeing him play healthy and loot. They say a
lot of times happens in basketball too, like the second
year returning from the Achilles is when you get it back.
That's fine. But he's not thirty. He's forty one. So
even if he's a little sprier than he was last year,
it's clear he's he's not the you know, kind of
the young, vibrant guy that could He was ever lamar,
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but he could scrambling behind the line of scrimmage with
a huge part of his game. I mean, hell, look
at Russell Wilson, who feels like he's gotten slower movement
wise behind the line of scrimmage doesn't look nearly the same.
And that's that was always Roger's superpower. So if I'm
a betting man, like there is a case that if
he were to get injured this year. Given their quarterback room,
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this could be the year that I got the Steelers
actually did go seven and ten and it's a disaster.
And they've already admitted, like I mean, they don't even
have to admit, just bate on their roster. They don't
have any backup plan flash next year, it's like they
would be in the same position. So unless they were
to win like two or three games, it's not like
they'd be drafting that high. So I think they're they
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got problems.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Okay, let's talk about this Shamar Stewart story. Okay, So I.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Hope, I hope he goes back to school. That'd be sick,
now do you do know?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Okay, So let me lay it out for people. Okay, uh,
they hid in pass in negotiations with the Bengals, right,
and his agent excuse me. Billy Hayen from the Sportingnews
dot Com and Bud Elliott from CBS Sports reported that
he's fully involved in workouts at text A and M,
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and both their sources say could try and come back
and play again the season going to the draft next year.
Here's the part that people don't know. The Bengals still
retain his rights whether he goes back and plays or doesn't. Right,
So like I you say, hope he goes back and plays.
He went into the draft.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
For the story, not that I just think it'd be
you know, the Bengals they're arguing. They're not arguing over
how much money they're going to pay them the money set.
It's just the dates. I mean, it's it's pretty stupid.
I also would love to you know, like you know,
twenty ten years ago, you'd be like, well, this is
never going to be allowed by the NC Double A.
These football programs now, I mean the NC Double A
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in terms of their power, feels like they're hanging off
your life. So it just it just be chaotic. And
you know it's right up Texas A and M's Alley too.
They're they're a little bit of a renegade program. I
just the Bengals. I did the whole thing. I signed
me up. Do I think he's ended up going to
sign with the Bengals guests But and the other thing
is he's been working out with text A and M.
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I bet most rookies like, yeah, they have an apartment,
they probably have girlfriends, Like they go back in the
summer where else are they going to go, And they
usually work out with their former teammates, especially these underclassmens.
It's like they're literally their buddies. So it's him working
out with Techa and m is not as crazy as
it sounds. When you factor in the other things of
the story that got it, you might go back. I
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have a decent amount of guys that were just drafted
have spent the last several weeks back where they went
to college and training with their either college strength coach
their guys. Like, that's pretty normal.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, Again, I don't know what level of working out
there is. I would say generally, you're right, but again
I don't know this time of year, our guys staying
up at their facilities and training. I mean that. Yeah,
the whole thing is super, super fascinating right here. The
Bengals are They spent more money than they've ever spent
on offense. You draft a guy on defense and you
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got an agent holding you up looking for some contract.
I've this would be a disaster for the NFLPA, the
NFLPA because the NFL owners be like, hold on, dude,
we have a CBA. The kid declared he got drafted.
What are you doing. What are you doing? This is
a terrible look for the Players Association if he doesn't
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sign a contract.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
There's already some I mean, the second round thing is
all these guys, you know that. I saw the forty
nine ers guy, no show. Everyone wants their contract fully guaranteed.
And you know, this story was kind of out of
left field because it's never really happened anymore. So I
text the buddy in the league. I said, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
And he's like, well, it's collusion between the agents. Let
me help you. Okay, Yeah, here's how it. Here's how it.
Here's how it worked. This is my again, and you
tell me if I'm wrong, Okay. Florio and uh, what's uh?
Poor heart? Huh? Pablo Pablo Torri. They had that story,
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which if you read the story, it's actually kind of
a nothing burger. It just did. It's like it's like,
you know, they were like, hey, it's kind of dumb
to do these guaranteed contracts, guys, right, I fully guaranteed contracts.
It's kind of dumb in this sport case in point,
that's a that's a really bad deal. Right. There was
no collusion to it, as if they were including then
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they would they would have held prices down, held guarantees down.
They have not. They have not. But it's again, I
feel like it's a what's the term they use in
military coordinated attack is a because this story comes out
at the exact same time that second round picks are like, hey,
I want my contract fully guaranteed. Just happens that happened
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at the same time.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
The reality is the most second round pick as you
get down from like thirty three to sixty it changed
a little bit, but a lot of guys from like
thirty three to fifty. Texting with some people that negotiate
these contracts, some of these guys are contract is like
close to ninety seven percent guaranteed before anyone's ever argued.
So it's like, now the number is smaller than the
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first rounders, but the vast majority of the contract is guaranteed.
It's not like it's fifty said they're arguing for, you know,
the ad or fifty percent. Most of these guys the
contracts pull again, so they're really arguing over a pretty
It sounds a little crazier than actually it's kind of
like the Samark Stewart Chamar Stewart I don't know the
(41:14):
exact number, but it's just arguing on the date he paid.
Let's just say he wants the money January first, and
they want to pay him September first. You know, I'm
like year three. So it's it's all kind of semantics,
which again, as numbers grow, which they continue to fly.
I mean, we just thought the Chiefs gave a guard
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seventy million dollars guarantee, so it's the money's flowing. You know,
more of this stuff's going to happen. I mean, we've
seen in basketball forever the player empowerment. Well, when a
player empowerment happened, when the numbers got so enormous, it's like,
we're not going to you know, you kind of like
draw a line in the sand. And that's what I think.
The players like the NFL players, they do have more juice. Again,
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it's on a relative scale than they've ever had, and
I would imagine that we're gonna see more and more
of these things. I would guess this upcoming couple weeks,
we're gonna have more guys quote unquote holding in or
holding out than we've ever had. I mean, do you remember,
like when you were in college or whatever, like nineties,
one guy you know throughout the league might like an
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M and Smith, and then over the years maybe a couple.
Now it feels like, I don't know, there's gonna be
ten plus Pro Bowlers not show up here in a week.
And that's not even talking about the second rounders.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I'm just talking about here's where's the here's the irony
to it? Right, A lot of this is empowered and
triggered by agents.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
For sure, what
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Broadcasting from a We're bicoastal here right. Some of us
are in southern California, one of us is in the
northeastern Wisconsin. Just had a classic summer thunderstorm go through
here in Scannie. As we react to last night's All
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Star Game and a lot of takeaways, we'll get to
them in a moment. John middlecaff will join us as
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we got the midway to which we'll talk about travel
and where you stay in travel's. That's that's what I
get to, uh, welcome in listen. I watched last night's
All Star Game, not not first to last pitch. I'm
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not going to sit here and lie, but I did
actually see national anthem, and then I was you know,
I played I think nine holes yesterday and then was
having a couple of beverages watching the first couple innings,
went to a buddy's house and watched the last couple winnings,
and when it went to extra innings, this was one
(01:54):
of those I just kind of be honest with you.
I had no idea that's how they decided the All
Star Game. None, and I'm guessing none of us did.
Jay stud Did you have any idea that they did
a swing off?
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Nope, not a bit. Didn't know one thing about it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm not I'm not a bashed to say that I
didn't know. The only thing I knew heading into this
All Star Game was two things. One Miss Rowski was
a controversial pick, and two that they were gonna use
abs and and we'll see kind of how it looked. Okay,
so I'm gonna offend defend Ken Rosenthal against Eric Hosmer,
(02:34):
who's like, dude, you not get the job that you
actually have. Now we'll get to that in a second.
And then ABS was great. It was like cyclops. It's
like the tennis thing, like, man, why haven't had that sooner?
And the answer is they actually do have it in
the minor leagues. I don't know what we're waiting for.
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That thing was fantastic. You just touch your helmet, they
review it. It shows in the replaying like, ah, oh,
look at that just barely a strike. And I said
this on the podcast, they'll say it for real here,
which is I kind of think last night in the ABS,
I gotta be honest, I think the umpster a little
bit better. When we give him credit. He's like, man,
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that's really really close. That's really really hard. There's no
way that the human eye can actually see baller strike
when it's that close. You're guessing, and if you say otherwise,
you're lying, Like it's really hard. You gotta be really
good and you're gonna make mistakes. But I do think
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that baseball has done a bad job, just like hockey.
It's like hockey, isn't overtime in hockey like three on
three with a goalie, But most people don't know that
because they don't want regular season hockey. Like I had
no idea, Like, yeah, it's like a different sport. So
here's what happens. Okay. Each league got to send up
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three hitters who each got three swings apiece. Whichever side
had the most total homers would win the game. That's
really how they decided the All Star Game. The National
League came out on top thanks to Schwarber. He had
three homers in his three swings. In total the NFL,
the NL had four homers compared to three for the
American League, and it was six to six at the
(04:20):
end of nine. So I was entertained. Although I do
think that one of the things Baseball's All Star Game
has to kind of figure out is, you know, the
game is generally start the stars and get them in early,
and then get them out of the game. So All
Star Games are usually decided by guys. You're like, I've
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never heard of this guy. He's the one pick a
team who they had to have have an All Star.
You know Matt Olsen, for example, who a couple of
years ago amazing, but this year not amazing. And he
was the Braves guy and the Brave slugger. And he
was playing first base late in the game, at bat
late in the game, which is fine because he's been
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an All Star caliber player before in his career, but
really not this year. Only reason he was there because
it was the Braves in Atlanta. They needed a player.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Do I think it's the best way to decide a game?
Speaker 2 (05:15):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Did I think it was entertaining? Yeah? Is it different? Yeah,
it's an All Star game. I'm not offended. Is anybody
offended by it? Sam? Are you offended by it? You're like,
this is a travesty and a mockery, a Travis sham mockery.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Did swing off?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I At first I thought Jason Stewart would. It would
elicit some kind of you're annoying, but we all kind
of came to the same conclusion that it was fun.
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Fun.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Fun. Did you know it was coming?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
No?
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, Because I mean, when's the last time an All
Star Game ended in a tie?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Milwaukee? I think you know too? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Okay, Well, a long time ago, so I yeah, and
I don't think they had this rule at that time.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
So no, that was the tie. That was when they
started to go it means more and they started having
it decided to home field advantage. I enjoyed it, though,
well are you gonna say just okay?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I enjoyed it. I thought, uh, I had no idea
what was coming. The swing off was weird. Of course,
the first thing you ask yourself, they didn't. I don't
think they did a great job of explaining this. And
as it did, I missed it. Why wasn't Judge and
on show? Hey? Uh in at the end, I guess
it's bed.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Were they gone?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So it took off?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah, I thought they were gone. I mean that's that again.
That's part of the deal is they come in and
they're like, I'm good, I'm done. Okay, I'm gonna just
Irish exit at the back door. We did establish it's
the IRIS exit, right, because the Italian exit has got
to be everybody's got to know that you're going. It's like, hey,
Joey's going, Joey's gone, Hey Joey's.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Raven's kissing goodbye. The Irish hit is IRIS. So blacked
out drunk. You wander out the back door.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
I did not say that you did. I know that
you're right, but again, you wander out the back door.
So Aaron Judge show hey, o Tani Irish exit. I
was thinking the same thing. And I again, I was
as at a buddy's house who has a big golf
sim and then a couple of big TVs. And we're watching.
We're like tied, and we're like tide again. Now what
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and then all of a sudden they start doing the
swing off. I wasn't really paying attention, like wait, that's
this is what they do, and no one in the
room had any idea. And they were much bigger baseball
fans than I were. And somebody did ask like we're
show hey, Whereas I was like they they I'm sure
they were out of there because I remember Derek Jeter,
like in his last All Star Game, was like second
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inning and then all of a sudden, there's like a plane.
They're like, there goes Jeter's playing. Those dudes are out out.
I heard Colins say that it was the greatest All
Star game he'd watched. What was that in years or
in a year or ever. I'm not sure a bit
of hyperbole, but it would actually actually be accurate for
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me because I never watched All Star games. So yeah,
it was good. It's a good celebration of the sport.
It was fine. You know, it ends up a cent
being a tie and then you have kind of a
creative ending. I'm not offended by any of it. The
only thing that I was left walking away from the
game was how have we waited this long for ABS?
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And imagine the fact that we don't have it for
the second half of the year. We like just had
it for the All Star Game. Clearly works pretty easy.
It's been used in the minor league, so it's not
like last night was the first night. Like they're way
past the beta testing and you're sitting there thinking why
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would we go without this? It's so much better, and
it's better for the umpires, you know, call your ball,
call your strike, and then people are going to see
when you miss, when you make a mistake, you're making
a mistake by like a millimeter. So I think most
people thought I could be wrong. Most people thought that
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ABS would make the umpires look like clowns because of
how badly they missed ball and strike. Calls. I think
that's a fair fair perception to have. Oh, it's just
gonna show how bad these three blind mice are. Reality is,
it's really hard. The margin is so very slight. And
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of all of those calls, some were reversed, some were not. Again,
you're talking about a speck of a baseball coming in
low to mid to upper nineties and you got to
make a split second call on a millimeter or less
of baseball and whether or not it comes to in
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the zone. ABS was a win, with the exception of
the fact that it's been ready to be used for
two years now. It makes the umpires look better or
not worse. Everybody likes it. It's quick, it's easy, it
doesn't actually extend the game, and yet we're still not
going to have it for the rest of the season.
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it's first time listening to this show. Let me in
you a segment we do. It's the middle of the show.
(10:29):
It's the middle of the day, it's the middle of
the week. And uh we call it the Midway. It's
not getting the middle it's time for.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Okay. We got my band Ryan Smith, he's on the
ones and Tues, Monte Bolanos who's doing our updates, and
of course our steam producer and leader, the one only
Jason Stewart. So here's the midway topic we sort of
tried to get into last week and then we got
diverted by sports. Oh god sports. So and it does
relate to I think now I would even take this
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to when you go and you do a you know
you're going taking a ball game, which is if you
go and travel let's say months, you pick your dream
country to travel to this summer, if you had the
time off of the money.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Oh, you're putting me on the spot.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
But let's go to Spain, Spain, Let's go to Ourcelona.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
See, then you had to show off. I got to
show off, Jay Stu. Pick a country that if you
had the money and you had the time, you'd go
in you and you're smoking out. Girlfriend Christine would go
and visit.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
South Africa has the least regulated bungee jumps. In other words,
if you bungee jump in California, there's a restriction on
how far you could fall, and you have to go
you have to be uh, you have to have a
cradle on your mid section instead of your ankles. But
in South and South Africa you could drop five hundred
(11:58):
feet into a ravine by by your ankles. So I
want to go to South Africa yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
How many people die per year?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
But South Africa that's part of the whole entrigue. If
you can't die, why do it?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I actually have the exact opposite thing. If you can die,
don't do it right right? That's really like it's like
hot air balloon, like yeah, we saw that thing in Brazil.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Like I'm good, scary, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
I'm good. Ryan Smith, Bryan. If you could, if you
had the money and you had the time, where would
you go? Visit?
Speaker 7 (12:34):
Probably someplace safer, like I don't know, maybe like Jamaica
or something.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Okay, Jamaica, yeah, okay, safe if you have a Jamaica
is very safe. I think you might need a Google anyway.
So here's the question. Right, like I've been I was
trying to go recruit in Croatia, and you just it's time,
travel expense whatever. I have told people that I'm going somewhere,
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and I'm not going to tell anybody where I'm going.
I'm actually gonna try and tear off my phone. You know.
The over under is is one day and how long
I keep the phone off. But I've told people that.
So here's the question. Say you go somewhere, whether it's Spain,
I guess we'll throw in Jamaica, South Africa. By the way,
when I hear South Africa, doesn't everybody who's like our
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age j stew think of does that leath a weapon? Three?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Two?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Is that two two? But you'll you'll blick. But you're
black anyway, very much. If you're a movie guy, a
nineties movie guy, you know what I'm talking about. Anyway,
would you rather stay at a resort or would you
rather be among the common folk and just get a flat,
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get a verbo and just kind of be You know,
some people when they like to travel, they go either
to a resort and stay there, or they go like
a day here, day there and they stay in like
nice hotel, nice hotel, nice hotel, and they go out
in the town. Some people do it with the cruises
or would again, would you do any of those or
would you rather, hey, just find a like a Greek
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village and just post up there and feel what it's
like to be Greek. Get up every morning and have
your nest cafe, you know, take your afternoon nap, because
they do the siesta in Greece as well. They do
it in Spain. Right, say you go to Barcelona, Manci
and you do that. Would you rather have like a
little just little cottage and you spend like ten days there?
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Or is you rather be in a beachside resort and
have people feeding your grapes like you're a sultant.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
That's what I want.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I if I'm planning the trip, I'm gonna pick a resort.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
I'm gonna do something like that.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
I'm not against staying in like a cottage or like,
you know, getting the full experience, but that means somebody
else's planning the trip. That's not what I'm gonna plan.
We're staying at a resort.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Jay Stu. You go to South Africa, Okay, you're gonna
go jump off some freaking bridge atop of seven hundred
foot ravine. You can go down four five hundred feet
or whatever and maybe die, maybe not die. Whatever. Would
you rather kind of feel the culture and stay at
a nice flat somewhere in I don't know, I don't
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know what. Johannesburg, just just throwing out, like, you know,
literally only city I know of in South Africa? Or
would you rather stay at a really nice resort or
hotel or you know, do the do the even do
the Safari thing in.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
South Yeah, this, this to me has everything to do
with the place that you're going to. So South Africa
is probably a bad example. I think they hate white
people now, like farmers are getting slaughtered. I'm not even joking.
But Playa del Carmen. I went there once in Mexico,
south of whatever that city is called that everyone knows now.
(16:03):
I stayed at the resort, had an amazing time, all
inclusive food and everything else. One of my buddies and
his girlfriend ventured outside the resort to do some quote
shopping shopping at the local and uh, while it's stolen
at gunpoint. So that's my answer, I'm going to stay
at the resort. If it is a dangerous place to
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Americans or white people.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Okay, but if it's not a dangerous place to Americans
or white people, or even if you know people of
dark skin whatever, like you're just a because outside of
South Africa, where would you go?
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I again, my example was was Mexico. But the in general,
I want to stay with the people. If when I
go to New York City, I want to I want
to just do do the village. I want to know.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Those are more of the except what you're saying is Mexico.
I agree with you. South Africa, I relatively agree with you. Right,
those two places, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. But for
the most part, you'd rather do the be part of
the people, which is kind of where I am. Right.
I thought that too, And this comes from when I
was playing basketball. We played against US playing in Israel,
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played against Beshiktash, which is in Turkey, right, and I
just remember, you know, we had a day off and
I just got up and I like walked down the
street to this bizarre and it literally is like akraba
uh in Aladdin. Nobody tried to sell me the genie
and the lamp, but you see these rugs, you see
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you see dates, you see everything. And it also brings
me back to when I played professionally in France. I
was a replacement player for a guy that got hurt.
I was there for a month and a half. And
during that month and a half that I was there,
I had a little flat. I'd get up in the
morning across the street was like a little pastry shop,
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you know, so I'd get a pastry and then i'd
get a coffee at there's a little coffee place like
two doors down, and then I'd walk to the gym.
And then after practice in the morning, I'd walk to
this little little cafe b stro bar and there was
no menu that you just sat down. You had whatever
they were the lunch special was, and they would serve
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it for you, and you know, you'd either you did
have another coffee or have a beer, and then you
go back to the flat and you take a nap,
and then you go back to work and you have
practice in the afternoon, and then you'd go back to
the bar and have dinner there and you walk home
and you do it again on cycle. And I was like, man,
this is what it's like to be French should have
a job. I mean, I didn't work at a factory,
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but I worked at a basketball gym. But still kind
of the same idea. But again, it's not for everybody
because that you'll have people who you know, they'll tell
you like I don't want to do especially women, We'll
say like I don't want to dishes on my vacation.
That's why they won't go to the you know, wherever
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they stay. They won't stay somewhere that has the kitchenettes
in there. You know, like, Hey, I do dishes at home.
I don't want to do dishes here. I'm sure if
you're dish guy, I don't want to do dishes. Ryan
Smith be a tiebreaker. What do you think?
Speaker 7 (19:18):
Wow, poor Jason Stewart unsafe for white people. I guess
I have black privilege. That's great.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
I don't want to stay at someone else's place. Give
me a hotel, resort or something. I'm paranoid. I just
think bad things will happen to me, so I go
with the resort.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah. So so wait, you're you're you're calling out Jason
for his Yeah, I get it. He's a little bit
on social media there, but I'm sure there's in some
levels there's reality. I don't know. I don't want to
dig in that's not this show. But then you said, like, yeah,
I'd feel unsafe too, So I'm staying in a resort.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
Yeah, basically like a hotel. I don't want being someone
else's home. I just I don't know, just just makes
me paranoid, just just just my personal preference.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, I guess I can see that. There is a
certain element to I. You know, you stay in a verbo,
You're like, do they have a is there a camera
in here? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yes, yes. And my theory is that, like all of
those stories, the sourcing on those stories is the hotel industry.
Like that's how fierce this uh hotel versus Airbnb thing is.
You really can't believe a story about Airbnb because like,
what's the sourcing on this? Same with the taxis and
(20:40):
uber and whatnot. There, you know, the taxi industry just
had like warehouses of people going on and giving horrible
reviews of ubers. Like you just can't underestimate the feistiness
of corporate capitalism.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
The feistiness of corporate capitalism. Okay, Swedo, which anybody got
a big trip coming up.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
I don't know if it's big, but I'm gonna go
to Florida in September so I can go do the
Halloween stuff like the univers the Universal Halloween Horonites.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
They you're flying to Florida, you know there's not scary
farm right down the street.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
I know I do that every year. Six flags fully
do it every year. Apparently the Universe of Orlando one
is the one to do.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think you got that one off social media too. No,
how is it the one too?
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Because they have you been to Universal in Orlando. It's ginormous.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
They even opened a new park and there's a Frankenstein ride.
But because they have more space, it's not the same
as here Universal Hollywood very different. They even have different mazes.
I don't know what the legality is of it, but
it doesn't even compare.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, have a Kinie bungee jump and there's basically you're
held on toothpair.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
No, I am, I'm going for scary fun, not you know,
want to die fun.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, I understand it's it's different, but Jase do am.
I am I the bad guy for staying the obvious,
which is like, you know they're not gonna touch you
or hurt you. It's not really that scary when you're
an adult, right.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
No, it's fun.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Just because you don't find it fun doesn't mean I
have to view it the way you do.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I find it super fun.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, I think usually it's fun because you're with a
bunch of your friends. Now most of those friends are
like fifteen, but you're like, you're fun and because you're
like all kind of scared together and you're running around.
How many people are going with you on this excursion?
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Oh, it's just me and the boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And does he likes to be scared as well? He does.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
He enjoys it. He doesn't get scared the way I do.
But he likes the scary stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yes, well, and he also likes that you like that
scary stuff, So he'll do whatever you say. Old, I'm
gonna do because that's what we do, is guys, right.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Sure, But he likes the scary stuff, so I don't
have to. I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yes, he does scary movies. I don't like all of it.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Scary movie we love. Scary movies are scarier the better.
There you go. Oh that's right, yeah, scarer of the better.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You guys, do know I hate scary movies.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Clearly, clearly you hate fun too.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I donate fun. I have I have a great like
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait in the
in the different like senses and reactions of midwork. How
as somebody saying I don't like scary movies saying I
don't like fun, like you have lots of fun, you know,
I don't like I don't like being scared because there's
enough things. I mean, Jason's petrified of people in South
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Africa because he's like, right, okay, Like there's enough scary
things out there that are real things to be scared of.
Right where you're scared of interest rates going up or
going down and causing inflation, you people, some people are
scared of Trump. Some people are scared when Trump's done.
Some people are scared of, you know, a nuclear holocaust
because of all the things that's going on that you're
scared of a million things. Right, We sell fear on
(23:51):
TV and on radio on a daily basis. I just
don't need like artificial fear, That's my point. I have
any of I have plenty of organic natural you know,
like yeah, yeah, my daughter Grace flew across the country
she's in California. Like again, she's somebody gets overwhelmed by stuff,
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like I'm always worried, like, oh hell, what if somebody
forgets to pick her up and now I gotta find
her a ride an uber or whatever. She's just not great.
My son's at his summer camp he loves, and then
you see what happens in Texas? Is that camp be
like they're right next to a river, but it's in Maine,
next to New Hampshire, Like, okay, are they all safe there?
You know? My daughter Harper rides horses like she jumps
(24:34):
over big, gigantic jumps. There's fear. I don't need any
more fear that. That doesn't mean I don't like fun.
It's just what your definition. I guess being scared is
your definition of fun, which I would disagree with.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
That is my ted talk, and that is the Midway,
The Midway Steut Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know,
by the way, Ryan Smith, have you seen Mike Frances's
take on Superman? Like Man, you love Superman? You said
it is a little too funny at times, that dude
hated it.
Speaker 7 (25:11):
It was fine, it was I give like a I
give it and eight out of ten. It wasn't perfect,
it wasn't great. I thought it was just good.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Has anybody seen F one? I want to see F one.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I think the answer when you asked it at this
time yesterday was no. Have any of our answers changed.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
I don't know. I mean, I don't know what you
used to doing last night, Monsiet Yeah, okay, maybe tonight. Ogo.
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(25:50):
Mitacoff joins this three and out is in fact the podcast,
but he also has to Going Low podcast. I used
to be a club thrower and a mutterer, but I
just not good enough, nor do I play or practice
enough to be that guy. What do you like on
a bad day on the course, I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
When I was younger, I was you know, my dad
probably wanted to kill me. It's an awful look, I
would say, as I've gotten into my thirties. I just
enjoy being outside in the sun. So whether I'm shooting
seventy five or ninety. The occasional f bomb, but the
days of throwing clubs and kicking in you know, lockers
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like Wyndham Clark are long gone. The occasional you know,
throw your hands up in the air, that's human, like
Scotty did last week. But the what Wyndham Clark this
year has has been on a tear.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, no doubt about it. What do you think of again?
I know we used to talk football, but you also
do the golf podcast Scotti Scheffler's remarks yesterday in regards
to just kind of being empty after winning majors, especially
the two Masters.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know what's funny is I'm glad you talked about
this because I saw you you talk about this yesterday.
I think I thought on social media for about eight minutes.
I think there are a lot of different variables because
I know your take and the emotion with some of
these younger guys never used to get talked about that.
There was a clip I thought today probably about an
hour ago, as Rodris Harrington, you know who's a Tiger
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generation was almost offended. You know, He's like it was
you know, what's he even talking about. I think there
are some parallels. Remember a couple of years ago, Adam
Silver said all of his players are miserable. Yeah, and
Scott I would say, Scottie Scheffler over the last eighteen
months starting last year through this year's probably made a
hundred million dollars. He made sixty five last year just
(27:41):
on the course. So if you factor in Nike, which
she's obviously, him and Rory are their lead dogs. By
winning those tournaments, winning the Major as, the bonuses he
got might have been twenty million. Taylor, man, he's made
so much money where he's like he could quit today
and financially never. I do think Dad has ramifications, and
(28:01):
I think the NBA is the same way. It's like
you're playing. Kevin Durant was a good example. He's like
I won, No one really cared, and then like it's
like what do I do now? You know? And I
think these guys now because they live on social media, Scotty,
not necessarily, but they have so much money in the accomplishment.
Like back in the day, even like when Tiger first started,
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you just you were constantly climbing because you had to
earn it. You had to earn it. Now it's like,
if you do have success, you get paid so much money.
And I do think that just warps you know, in
your twenties, how you just think about things. But I
also say this, you know Scotty's comments, if you just
read them, you'd be like, this guy doesn't really care,
Like his actions speak differently. Right, He's won essentially fifteen
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sixteen times over the last two years, so he's his
effort and how much he tries. It's not like he's
been phased by the money. But you could argue if
you watch that whole thing, he's kind of talking out
of both sides of his mouth because he says he
gets emotional when he cries, but also what's it all for?
But it's not like he's lazy, right, it's not. You know,
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he's working just as hard as you'd say, like, well,
Mahomes and Kelsey are still on the grind even after
all the championship, Like Scotty's still working like he's Tiger.
But I do think there's that generation of guy. I mean,
even Rory won the Masters, he's like, eh, I'm kind
of over it now, you know. So can you imagine
Tiger or Brady or MJ talking like that? You're Kobe,
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No chance.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Now, I think there's a lot to it. I also
think I don't know what youth golf is like, but
I can tell you that there's been a lot of
discussions about like youth basketball, and there are so many
more tournaments that winning one isn't a special as it
used to be. Now granted you're talking about majors, you're
talking about the Masters, there's only one, but when you've
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played in you know, five ex to tournaments of other people,
then winning one does not seem like at nearly a
big a thing. I mean, look that that By the way,
that's a comment that everyone I know was talking about yesterday.
That's really the interesting part about it.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I know it in fairness, you know, he didn't he
mentioned like regular PG events like the Byron Nelson in
his backyard. He didn't mention the Masters, which obviously means
a lot to no matter who. I do think there's
some you know that's where the NBA comp you know,
or just basketball, like regular season game like what is this?
Who cares? And like winning a regular PGA event, who cares,
(30:30):
you know, I think there's some element to what he
said that parallel is like football world, right, whenever you
win a game. Let's say we're watching Sunday Night Football
and the Chiefs beat the Broncos and you're interviewing Patrick Mahomes.
He's like, well, we gotta we gotta stay focused because
we've got the Chargers coming up. It's just isn't that
kind of sports Like you're just always kind of on
to the next thing. So, I don't know, there are
(30:51):
a lot of angles to this. I do think his
action back up that he really cares, right, because he's
been so good now for two years. It's not like
he's resting on his laurels, right, He's grinding and practicing.
And he didn't mention that that's the weird That's what
I'm saying. He was kind of just kind of randing.
But it's not like he had one specific point beside like, yeah,
(31:13):
sometimes you win, you realize like no one actually cares
after a while.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
let's turn to the National Football League. Oh so many
little kind of little stories sort of kind of to
get through and to kind of sort of figure out.
By the way, Barry Sanders' birthday is today, I bring
(31:38):
it up. I bring it up because you know, like
anytime you think somebody had a great year in college football,
check out Barry Sanders year. You're like, oh, I was
a lot a lot better. I think that Saquan is
the first guy who I can actually have a reasonable
conversation that does some of those freaky things. We've had
(31:59):
great backs like Dereck Henry's are great back, like you
kind of go back. There's there's been all different big ones,
little ones. Marshall fall is abile to catch out of
the backfield or whatever. But in terms of doing things
where you make people miss and you jump over people
or make them look almost like Keystone cops, I think
Saquon's the first guy since Barry Sanders do that. Am
(32:22):
I forgetting anybody? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:24):
I think physically from a strength standpoint, that was always
the underrated part about like Barry, like his size, how
strong he was. I mean some of those epics like
him dragging guys that were holding on for dear life.
I would say that Barry was I mean in this
day and age obviously, I mean he would dominate in
any air he was, he would have been viewed also
like an Lt. Marshall fall catching the ball. You know,
(32:46):
I would say Saquon has solid hands, but I wouldn't
call him like Christian McCaffrey right now. He The difference
is like Barry, like you don't need to be a
great running back. You don't need exceptional like high end speed,
like you can be an all time grave like Frank
Gorey couldn't outrun anyone. But he's you're just a really
(33:07):
really good player. Now if you do have the home
run hitting speed like Adrian Peterson, then it's like you
can be a major problem. And I think that like
that is Saquon's kind of curveball is like he gets
in the open field, he's literally faster than everyone else.
Gevin McCaffrey. Let's assume he's healthy this year. You know
he's gonna get caught a decent amount. And I would
(33:29):
say Barry like Saquon, like they got in the open
field and there was green grass, and you know, bo Jackson,
like they see you. So it's like and that's what
makes Saquon so fun is I think last year, well
was it six or seven sixty plus yard runs, and
that's part of I mean, I would imagine anytime you
find a two thousand yard rusher, they had a decent
(33:49):
amount of chunk runs, right, It's not all just five
and six yard carries.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean he was he was so amazing, so
amazing last year. Okay, let's kind of go around the
league here. Let's start with I think the most interesting
team this year is to Steelers. We've talked about them
a good amount. Let's kind of start getting to the
actual football league talkie, what do you think of the
roster compilation that they've made? Haven't extended TJ Watt to
(34:19):
this point? What do you think of what Pittsburgh has
roster wise? Hand of the year.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
You know, I think they're just so predicated on the
quarterback staying healthy and historically how often you guys once
they get over forty. I mean, he's an injury that
maybe used to go away in a week, last a month.
He can't scramble around like he used to when he's not,
you know, I mean, obviously a good pocket player, but
his game hasn't been predicated like Peyton or Brady were
(34:47):
you He just sits there, his entire career, because that's
not how he had to play. So I just what's
more likely Rogers plays seventeen games and throws thirty two
touchdowns or you know, you look at Rogers, you know
game log in ten years and he starts nine of
him because he has some injuries. So I think that's
going to be the problem. I just have a hard
(35:10):
time seeing him play healthy and loot. They say a
lot of times happens in basketball too, like the second
year returning from the Achilles is when you get it back.
That's fine. But he's not thirty. He's forty one. So
even if he's a little sprier than he was last year,
it's clear he's he's not the you know, kind of
the young, vibrant guy that could He was ever lamar,
(35:30):
but he could scrambling behind the line of scrimmage with
a huge part of his game. I mean, hell, look
at Russell Wilson, who feels like he's gotten slower movement
wise behind the line of scrimmage doesn't look nearly the same.
And that's that was always Roger's superpower. So if I'm
a betting man, like there is a case that if
he were to get injured this year. Given their quarterback room,
(35:51):
this could be the year that I got the Steelers
actually did go seven and ten and it's a disaster.
And they've already admitted, like I mean, they don't even
have to admit, just bate on their roster. They don't
have any backup plan flash next year, it's like they
would be in the same position. So unless they were
to win like two or three games, it's not like
they'd be drafting that high. So I think they're they
(36:11):
got problems.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Okay, let's talk about this Shamar Stewart story. Okay, So I.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Hope, I hope he goes back to school. That'd be sick,
now do you do know?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Okay, So let me lay it out for people. Okay, uh,
they hid in pass in negotiations with the Bengals, right,
and his agent excuse me. Billy Hayen from the Sportingnews
dot Com and Bud Elliott from CBS Sports reported that
he's fully involved in workouts at text A and M,
(36:41):
and both their sources say could try and come back
and play again the season going to the draft next year.
Here's the part that people don't know. The Bengals still
retain his rights whether he goes back and plays or doesn't. Right,
So like I you say, hope he goes back and plays.
He went into the draft.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
For the story, not that I just think it'd be
you know, the Bengals they're arguing. They're not arguing over
how much money they're going to pay them the money set.
It's just the dates. I mean, it's it's pretty stupid.
I also would love to you know, like you know,
twenty ten years ago, you'd be like, well, this is
never going to be allowed by the NC Double A.
These football programs now, I mean the NC Double A
(37:24):
in terms of their power, feels like they're hanging off
your life. So it just it just be chaotic. And
you know it's right up Texas A and M's Alley too.
They're they're a little bit of a renegade program. I
just the Bengals. I did the whole thing. I signed
me up. Do I think he's ended up going to
sign with the Bengals guests But and the other thing
is he's been working out with text A and M.
(37:45):
I bet most rookies like, yeah, they have an apartment,
they probably have girlfriends, Like they go back in the
summer where else are they going to go, And they
usually work out with their former teammates, especially these underclassmens.
It's like they're literally their buddies. So it's him working
out with Techa and m is not as crazy as
it sounds. When you factor in the other things of
the story that got it, you might go back. I
(38:07):
have a decent amount of guys that were just drafted
have spent the last several weeks back where they went
to college and training with their either college strength coach
their guys. Like, that's pretty normal.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, Again, I don't know what level of working out
there is. I would say generally, you're right, but again
I don't know this time of year, our guys staying
up at their facilities and training. I mean that. Yeah,
the whole thing is super, super fascinating right here. The
Bengals are They spent more money than they've ever spent
on offense. You draft a guy on defense and you
(38:44):
got an agent holding you up looking for some contract.
I've this would be a disaster for the NFLPA, the
NFLPA because the NFL owners be like, hold on, dude,
we have a CBA. The kid declared he got drafted.
What are you doing. What are you doing? This is
a terrible look for the Players Association if he doesn't
(39:09):
sign a contract.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
There's already some I mean, the second round thing is
all these guys, you know that. I saw the forty
nine ers guy, no show. Everyone wants their contract fully guaranteed.
And you know, this story was kind of out of
left field because it's never really happened anymore. So I
text the buddy in the league. I said, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (39:27):
And he's like, well, it's collusion between the agents. Let
me help you. Okay, Yeah, here's how it. Here's how it.
Here's how it worked. This is my again, and you
tell me if I'm wrong, Okay. Florio and uh, what's uh?
Poor heart? Huh? Pablo Pablo Torri. They had that story,
(39:49):
which if you read the story, it's actually kind of
a nothing burger. It just did. It's like it's like,
you know, they were like, hey, it's kind of dumb
to do these guaranteed contracts, guys, right, I fully guaranteed contracts.
It's kind of dumb in this sport case in point,
that's a that's a really bad deal. Right. There was
no collusion to it, as if they were including then
(40:10):
they would they would have held prices down, held guarantees down.
They have not. They have not. But it's again, I
feel like it's a what's the term they use in
military coordinated attack is a because this story comes out
at the exact same time that second round picks are like, hey,
I want my contract fully guaranteed. Just happens that happened
(40:30):
at the same time.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
The reality is the most second round pick as you
get down from like thirty three to sixty it changed
a little bit, but a lot of guys from like
thirty three to fifty. Texting with some people that negotiate
these contracts, some of these guys are contract is like
close to ninety seven percent guaranteed before anyone's ever argued.
So it's like, now the number is smaller than the
(40:53):
first rounders, but the vast majority of the contract is guaranteed.
It's not like it's fifty said they're arguing for, you know,
the ad or fifty percent. Most of these guys the
contracts pull again, so they're really arguing over a pretty
It sounds a little crazier than actually it's kind of
like the Samark Stewart Chamar Stewart I don't know the
(41:14):
exact number, but it's just arguing on the date he paid.
Let's just say he wants the money January first, and
they want to pay him September first. You know, I'm
like year three. So it's it's all kind of semantics,
which again, as numbers grow, which they continue to fly.
I mean, we just thought the Chiefs gave a guard
(41:35):
seventy million dollars guarantee, so it's the money's flowing. You know,
more of this stuff's going to happen. I mean, we've
seen in basketball forever the player empowerment. Well, when a
player empowerment happened, when the numbers got so enormous, it's like,
we're not going to you know, you kind of like
draw a line in the sand. And that's what I think.
The players like the NFL players, they do have more juice. Again,
(41:57):
it's on a relative scale than they've ever had, and
I would imagine that we're gonna see more and more
of these things. I would guess this upcoming couple weeks,
we're gonna have more guys quote unquote holding in or
holding out than we've ever had. I mean, do you remember,
like when you were in college or whatever, like nineties,
one guy you know throughout the league might like an
(42:19):
M and Smith, and then over the years maybe a couple.
Now it feels like, I don't know, there's gonna be
ten plus Pro Bowlers not show up here in a week.
And that's not even talking about the second rounders.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I'm just talking about here's where's the here's the irony
to it? Right, A lot of this is empowered and
triggered by agents.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
For sure, what
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