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Some people think players should join the union. Then you're like, wait,
there's some union issues there. Speaking of unions, I think
I can combined the flaws of the w NBA union
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of players with Scotty Scheffler winning the Open Championship. You know,
just bear with me for a second. So Scheffler is
the best player in the world. He wins the Open Championship,
and this on the heels of when Scotty told the
media before the Open, I just don't get a lot
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of joy out of it. You know, still like doing
the work, it's all I know. But when we win,
it's like, you know, a couple seconds a high and
then hey, what are we going to eat? And that
didn't I mean, I just didn't land perfectly with me.
But again, that doesn't mean that he couldn't win, or
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that we should feel bad about him winning or anything. Right,
there's a certain thing that he has that some of
us strive for, which is kind of a balance in
your life. Things shouldn't matter at work as much as
they do for some of us. But the other side
to it, and this is a really important side to it,
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The other side to it is guys that are just
vicious competitors and always looking for the next kill. If
you will again, this is just more sports analogy, or
if you want to make it kind of like an
animal analogy, or or maybe the biggest thing would not
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even be animal analogy, is just Tom Brady, right. Tom
Brady's famous for what's his favorite super Bowl? The next one?
Whereas Scotti Scheffler, Eh, didn't mean that much to me.
But here's what's an issue when you combined the WNBA
and what I felt like was a disastrous weekend the
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second straight summer in which they could have done so
many great things to promote their product, to wrap their
proverbial arms around their growing superstar, and yet again, second
straight summer, they tripped on their egos and on all
of the things. They feel like it was done wrong
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to them in the past, and it hurt their ability
to shine brightly when nothing else is really shining. But
the big thing is when you get a superstar, learning
how to promote that superstar. And when you were a
superstar like talent in a sport, you do carry a
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certain It's just important for you to embrace that and
to find a way to have the game grow with
you like Tiger Woods wasn't perfect, right, obviously far from
and the image that was portrayed to us was only
a fracture of the real image of the real guy
of Tiger Woods. But whether it was Nike, whether it
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was his agent, whether it was the time, whether it
was Tiger himself, he took the sports rule by storm.
Let's just be honest. Golf was boring, Golf was rich people.
Golf was old, fat white dudes that could weren't athletic
enough to play a real sport, and they would go
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and drink and smoke cigars with their buddies on weekends
and pay gargantuan sums of money that we could ever
think of paying. And so it was completely unrelatable to
those of us who grew up lower, lower or lower
middle income.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
If you're if you didn't grow up with your well,
your dad at as at a country club, you didn't
grow up with a golf club in your hand until
Tiger Woods became a star. You look at the NBA
and what's been what's been fixed, What's been fixed by
Steph Curry, Lebron James was that gap after Michael Jordan, Right,
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And whichever one you like they've helped kind of raise
up the game, probably Steph Curry even more so than Lebron,
even though we'd all agree Lebron is the is the
better overall player. But again, I think the big thing is,
if you look at what's going on in the w
n b A, if you look at what's going on
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with Scotti Scheffler, neither of them understand the superstar thing.
For Scheffler, I get it. You don't love golf or
you don't it doesn't bring you the energy that winning
isn't as triumphant, as amazing as you thought it would be.
But because this is it's like, eh, eh, fine, it's
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hard for mainstream not golf fans are going to get
behind him because he's amazing and there is something to
the subtle art of not giving a flip, and maybe
that's why he wins when others with similar or maybe
even equal talent fall short. Right, how many times has
Rory fallen short? How many times? You know? How many
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times have you go through all of these guys You're like, man,
this guy's an incredible talent. They've won majors, yet they
can't be as consistent as he can be. And maybe
A big reason is it just doesn't care that much,
so it doesn't bother him that much, so he doesn't
carry these nerves and this angst and this anxiety when
he gets to sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and it's you can
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put away tournaments that way. Maybe I don't know, but
it's really hard for us to make golf a thing
like it was with Tiger when the guy doesn't really
embrace or doesn't know how to carry the sport like
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his talent says he should. And then conversely, for the WNBA,
they keep pushing against this superstar, doing everything they can
in their power to push against Caitlin Clark as a
superstar as representing their sport, and they don't know how
to do it either. They don't know how to do
it either. Say what you want about the NBA and
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the flaws of the NBA, but the fact is it
is a star driven league and they know what they're doing.
NFL the same. And look, not every NFL star wants
to be a star or gets it or embraces it
or whatever, but dynamic personalities that then become the best
or close to the best in the league have to
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one be lifted up by everybody in the league. And
then two they have to embrace that themselves and golf
has a chance. You have an amazing player. You've got
a lot of amazing players. But I mean Scotty Scheffer's
numbers and wins incredible. But because he doesn't outwardly says
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it doesn't matter that much to him, even if it's
a great place to be in your work life balance,
even if that speaks to gen z Okay, it misses
the mark when you can be carrying a sport and
the WNBA trying to fight old battles and using the
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wrong tone and the wrong approach, all while constantly pushing
against this idea of Caitlin Clark lifting your sport up
of being among the games elite. It's almost comical how
both sides, both sports are tripping all over themselves to
find a superstar. The WNBA and golf have both found it,
and yet they can't capitalize on it like on paper
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WNBA All Star Game took place this weekend. Did any
of you guys watch bo Did you watch any of you
guys watch anybody?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I watched the first half and the festivites leading up
to it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Okay, so Sam helped me out again. I'm trying to
consume one because I don't like All Star games too.
I'm just gonna be as see you. It's the whole.
WNBA has always been a hard watch for me. I
enjoy watching Caitlin Clark play some but again a lot
of this is how it gets cycled into my phone,
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right because just like the rest of the world, I
have the bad habit of not paying attention to something
recruiting over the weekend and trying to not take the
perspective that's given through social media. But what was shared
was it was basically the the NBA All Star Game
without the athleticism and skill in that nobody played any
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sort of defense. Is that accurate?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah? Yeah, there wasn't much defense and there was a
lot of bricks.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So let me get this straight. Okay, the WNBA has
this new superstar. Okay, it's new superstar, and they have
a chance, with all of the dysfunctions in other sports,
to capitalize on the momentum of the sport. And over
the weekend in Indianapolis, where one Caitlin Clark owns that
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town too, they've been selling out the Pacers Arena for
WNBA games and there's a tremendous basketball fan base in
general being in the state of Indiana. They came out
in the court with T shirts saying pay us, which
you owe us, and Caitland Clark didn't play, and then
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they played a worse version of the NBA All Star Game,
which everybody has rightfully been critical of, And after the
game there was then subtle jabs thrown at Kaitlyn Clark
and her team for not participating in a discussion about
said T shirts before they reward. How did I do?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yep?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
That sums it up.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, So what's going to happen is at some point,
at some point even with Kitlin Clark, but the rest
of the league is going to run into a Hey,
we're back in that same predicament of not people not caring,
but people actually pushing it away, and it's going to
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be blamed. It will, without any questions, say hey, America
is male, chauvinistic, anti whatever, alternative lifestyle whatever, when that's
not what it is. Is there some of that? Yeah,
there's there's always going to be something. There's also reality
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to it. Right, Women are less athletic than men. It
is not at the jaw dropping athleticism that we're used
to seeing in professional basketball. It's just not their skill level,
though better than it's ever been, is not nor will
ever be, at the level of men. And yet they
want to compare themselves the salary to it. So there's
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part of that. There's a reality to it, a harsh
reality to it. But there's also hey, last year you
had the Olympics, you chose not to bring Caitlin Clark,
and so people like myself said, not only am I
not appointment viewing, I'm actually going to make sure that
I don't watch because it's just gross that they don't
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really want to embrace their growth in their own game.
And then with the T shirts, look I get there's
the reality of them only getting I think it's nine
percent of a revenue share. And of course every Moody
on social media likes to smartly point out that, hey,
you lost forty million last year as a league, so
if you want to share the revenue, should you share
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the revenue losses? And of course the NBA subsidizes it.
And then you know, women will tell you. Women of
the WNBA will tell you like, hey, look, if the
new TV deal goes in effect. When the new TV
deal goes in effect, we get very little of it.
And these owners are now going to be made whole
on some level because of it, asking for more, asking
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for a spot at the table, asking for the chance
to get a higher percentage of the revenue is very reasonable. Hey,
we're doing way better now than we used to. We're
flying in charters, we're on commercials, we're doing better than
we used to. Can we continue to make it better
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for women of the WNBA? Is different than pay us
what you owe us, because exacting and extracting that revenge payment,
if you will, is exactly how we feel. I would
just say, as the average consumer, the average sports fan,
it's like, hey, now you got to give us the
attention that you owe us. We don't owe you anything.
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No one owes you anything. Some of it is semantics.
It's just one word. The word is oh. It's oh,
nobody owes you anything, zero, zilch zip, nada. Had they
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simply said, you know, pay us as we earn it,
think of how that would have landed. Think of how
that lands. Or even pay us what we've earned lands better.
It still doesn't land great, but lands better. Then pay
us what you owe us, Oh, reeks of entitlement. Oh
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is paying for the past When anybody who's followed this
league at all will say, like, owe you We've been
bleeding money for twenty five years. I don't know you nothing.
But it's more how it actually lands with the people
you're trying to win over. None of that has any
effect on negotiations. Negotiations are really just about hey, are
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you unified? Do you have is your union ready to
await for walk away from checks? If you're ready to
walk away from checks and you're you're ready to run
the you know, have the danger of walking away from checks,
if you're willing to do that, well, hey, this is
getting this, this will get interesting. Doesn't that have any
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But this is about winning the room, or maybe not
even winning the room. This is about winning in public perception,
which does have value. It does have value. Public perception
absolutely has value. Maybe not to the extent that the
women of the WNBA think or understand, but it has value.
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On the other hand, using a word like oh, it
just lands terribly, I don't know anybody who looked at
it and goes like, yeah, that's great, that's great. Sam,
you are the biggest WNBA fan and really a kingle
Clark fan, you know, you and Monse you're the two
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biggest at the network.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
And Martin Weiss big fan, big fan.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, again, I'm gonna warn you guys, be cautious to
not it's like guys on social media when it's like
a Saturday morning and they start tech, they start tweeting
about uwave football, Like you're like, if that's what you
love and you're covering the NFL, you're showing you really
don't care as much about it. It's just a job
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to you. It's that's that's it. That's a Titanic you're
going to sink on. So it's cool to love it
and enjoy it, but just know, like becoming a w
NBA leading sports radio shows consecutively continually when real, when
other sports matter, it's not a great way to live.
That said, how did how'd those shirts slam?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
With you?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Man?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
It They're controversial for sure, I mean for all the
reasons you said, you know, and then but then you
listen to the people calling the game and they had
their own explanation for it and reasons why they were
wearing the shirt. And but I think it's a little
too soon to be like demanding so much. Give it
another four or five years. So I think that then
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you get to the point where you're like, Okay, pay
us what we deserve now there's there is a lot
of money floating around and both said it. We had
a bo Bens and our executive producer today had a
great term, you know, accounting magic. I think magical accounting. Yeah,
the money's out there somewhere, but I just don't know
if it's you know, at this point, it should be
all put up front at this you know for the players.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, listen, we all listen. We all want to focus
on the forty million dollars lost by the league. Okay,
And every good business tries to look like they don't
make any money because they don't play any taxes. If
we lose money, great, right, Like NBA teams will tell you.
You know, Mark Cuban when he sold sold the Mavericks,
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I lost hundreds of you know, hundreds of millions of
dollars and then you end up making it back on
the sale the team. The difference is in this league
you generally don't make money even when you sell the team,
or to this point, you haven't made money when you
sell the team. That's why they have to create more
teams because that's the way to get more money to
the owners, and you get it through franchise fees. So
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I agree with the there is some cute accounting taking
place that leads you to believe it loses more money
than it probably loses. That said, everyone knows the w
NBA loses money and the word oh is not only
entitlement but the past. And that's not what you're trying
to capitalize on. Rick Kicker joins us Fox Sports One
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and Fox Sports Radio. NBA Insatury joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's uh, let's
get to the league. As Marcus Smart now member of
the of the Lakers, what does that do for the Lakers?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Look? Is it gonna help? Sure? But I I feel
and I've always been a Marcus Smart fan. I it's
I don't want to say it's a desperate move, but
I don't know how excited anybody should get over where
Marcus Smart is at this point. And what I really
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am curious about is the chemistry between Smart and Lebron
and Luca uh and to a lesser extent, JJ. Marcus
has always been about kind of playing at both ends
and holding you know, bigger players, guys with bigger names
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accountable when he has played with and he hasn't been
afraid to speak his mind or call them out. And
I don't know that personality has changed, even though his
game has declined somewhat. And that's where I'll be. It
makes them very interesting. I'll be interested. But that makes
them a chemistry experiment that I'm not sure is going
to turn out the way the Lakers fans with hope
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it would.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, it's it's weird.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Any chance they move Lebron before the season starts.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I just I don't. I don't see it. I know
it's out there, I know that they would be open
to it. I just don't see a world in which
Lebron is going to a place where it makes sense
for him. He's still if he's going to have any cachet,
it is going to be with the Lakers more than
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any place else. And it really doesn't make sense for
any of the other teams, especially when it comes to
a trade, like what are you giving up? How do
you You're gonna have to give up something just to
match the contract. That's where his opting in. You can't
opt in and say I'm still playing for championships. If
you wanted to play for championships, you've got to go
someplace where you're picking your spot. You're signing a deal
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that makes physcal sense for the team more so than
for yourself. And then then that provides that opportunity opting
in almost practically eliminates that for any team that considers
itself a title contender.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, so help me out with the Warriors, They've done
so little. It seems like everybody's waiting on something to happen. Yeah,
why has anything happened yet?
Speaker 7 (24:01):
A big part of it is is trying to figure
out what they can get for uh, for Jonathan Kaminga
and there's not a great market out there. It's really
trying to make a deal that that improves them. And
that's the big that's the big piece right here that
they're that they're sort of sitting on, is trying to
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figure that out. But there look, here's the reality they're
up against it. They Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry alone
take up three fourths of their salary cap room. You
add Draymond Green to that and it's nine tenths. So
the flexibility that they have is severely limited because of
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what they are paying their top three players. And unless
you're going to move one of those, which there there
is no plan to do that. They're really up against
it in terms of making improving this team and making
it make physical sense unless they're able to turn Kminga
into UH into something. And right now there's just there's
not a market because people don't want to pay what
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Kaminga thinks he's worth. And so I think that you know,
at this point, it's it's going to be he's gonna
sign that he's going to have that extension, UH, the
restricted pre agent extension, and then potentially be an unrestricted
pre agent next summer. That that at least is the
way it is looking right now. Everybody that I talked
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to around the.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
League, Rick Berger joining us here on the on the
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio, UH, okay, then
you got the East, which you know Celtics looks like
you kind of got a pause for a year. Terms
of competing pacers, obviously the same. We know what the
Bucks are trying to do, and yet we're still waiting
on a full commitment from Jannis. Like a fool like
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I'm in, don't call. Will we get that?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I would expect that they will, because I don't know
that there's anything out there that makes more sense than
what he has in Milwaukee, and I would take Damian
Lillard going back to Portland as a cautionary tale that's
right in Giannis's face, which is you are beloved in Milwaukee.
You've actually done more than Damien did in Portland. You
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brought them a championship. You're still at an age, and
you're with a GM who is demonstrated he's capable of
putting a championship caliber roster around you. You can go
someplace else. There's no guarantee that you're winning a championship,
and if you do, it's going to be discounted because
you went someplace else to join someone else, as opposed
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to you stick around and you take another stab at it,
and if you win a second one, it's almost like,
you know, Steph Winn winning championship in twenty two, twenty
three's it takes you over the top in terms of
where you are and your legacy in Milwaukee. I don't
know if there's any place else where he can go
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unless he wins multiple championships that he could that he
could he could raise his bar more so than staying
in Milwaukee and potentially winning winning another title or just
just being able to compete for one and then the
reason that he hasn't fully committed is because he's looking
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at it saying, Okay, I don't see anything out there,
but why you know, let's let's see if anything comes
up that makes sense that there's something there's somewhere that
I could go that could potentially be better than what
I have. There's there. I don't see where he feels
that there's an urgency there, but I don't know that
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it means that like he's torn. I think the wrong
read is to suggest that he's he's really conflicted. He
wants to leave Milwaukee, but he can't find the place
to go to. I think it's more a matter of
he's ready to stay in Milwaukee, but wants to leave
his options open to see if possibly something better could arise.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, I semantics matter. It really matters to those
of us, you know, like yourself, when we're kind of
breaking down what people say, what they write, and what
it all means, but also matters in terms of perception.
I felt like the flaw in the w NBA with
the T shirts, there's there's a lot right they just
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they still can't embrace Caitlyn Clark. They're very much pushing back,
but just in the pay us what you owe us. Yeah,
the the O makes people think of entitlement. It also
makes you think that there's some wrong done to women
in the past that most of us. And again, like
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the women's deal isn't particularly good good right, it just isn't.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Part of it was they weren't making money, so whatever,
It's not a particular deal, so not wrong. But I
think the mistake is in the oh US instead of
saying what we will earn? How did land for you?
When you saw those T shirts this weekend?
Speaker 7 (29:17):
You know what, Honestly it felt a lot like the
slogans and the the T shirts in the bubble that
can the concessions that the players made to play in
the bubble so that we can wear T shirts and
we can have slogans on the court. And I felt like, Okay,
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I understand, I understand what you guys are going for.
Are you, in today's market worth more than you're getting paid. Yeah,
there's an argument to be made for that, But I
think you make a great point in terms of it
feels like that they've been persecuted up to this point,
and the reality is there's this conflict between. You know what,
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the reason that you're you're now have the attention that
you do is because of one person that you seemingly
can't embrace, because she recognizes that she's different than the
rest of you, and she is protecting that status. She's
not going to join She's not she's not one of
the girls.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
She came in, she's been treated a certain way. She's
going to stand on her own brand, in her own position.
It's not that she's not a teammate with a teammate
with her, with her her team, but this idea that
she's got to like fall in line with everybody in
the WNBA who was already there. I don't see Caitlin
catering to that, nor do I think that she should,
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because she's the reason where they are. So it's like,
I'm not bringing myself down to your level. Yet we're
not talking about as basketball players. We're talking about as
brand and and attractions. I have more pulled than you do.
And honestly, if the WNBA players knew their history and
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had put some forethought into this and really wanted to
use the All Star Game as a platform, they would
have done what the NBA players did back in the
Oscar robertson Bob Coosey days, which is they played the
All Star Game and they wanted their players union. They
wanted the players union recognized. They wanted to be able
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to collectively bargain for better terms, better relationship with the owners.
And so they played the first half of the All
Star Game and at halftime they said, unless you recognize
the players Union, unless we're able to collectively bargain, we're
not coming out and play in the second half. And
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the owners the owners caved, And that's how the Players
Union that provides everything that it does today for the players.
That's how it was formed. So if you want, if
you're really about this business, if you really want, like
if you want things to change, then you're gonna have
to go to the wall and be cutthroat about it.
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And you can't go out there wearing a T shirt.
Think I get where they are, that they think they
did something bold, but the reality is this is business
and you are dealing with billionaire businessman. They're gonna laugh
at the idea that you're somehow going to influence them
by wearing a T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
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Sports One. He joins us every week in the Doug
Gallop Show. If you get the best, man, I really
appreciate your time. You got it all right, We'll turn
to some football up coming next. Wait to hear what
Jerry Jones said? Is it a big deal, a little
deal or no deal? Bye out next.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
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Speaker 1 (32:56):
Adam Kaplan joins us. Of course, he has the Inside
the Birds podcast as he's our major league he's he's
our NFL insider for Fox Sports Radio. Did you hear
what Jerry Jones said about Michael Parsons?
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Michael Parsons, Yes, And I have a friend who works
with the Cowboys, so he made me. He made sure
that I listened to what Jerry said today.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
We had a good laugh. Yes, well wellware, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, So I understand he's not a free agent really
at the end this year they can franchise it, right.
I get that that they do still have some leverage,
But here we are kind of in that same cowboy
cycle of really good player, guy who wants to be there,
and yet we don't have a new contract or contract extension.
So there's a standoff before the last year of the deal,
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feeling like it's gonna end up casting the Couston the
Cowboys more rather than less. Why go down the same path.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Because I've talked about this now for what like six
years on FSR every contract. I mean, he in factually,
it's funny you bring us up. Jerry talked about what
happened with Dak Prescott. Jerry Wade, Doug waited, waited and waited.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
What happened.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
He paid it above market deal for Dak Prescott. Okay,
Todd France's agent did a great job. He's like, if
you want to get paid, if you want to get
this done, this is what it's going to cost. He
waited too long and he paid above market sixty million
a year. And Jerry brought up today Doug that you
know we did a contract last year and the guy
missed two thirds of the season.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh well, that's not the players problem. I call stuff
down in the middle.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
I'm just telling you the way people look at it,
and with Michael Parsons, now that we have the deal
for guys nearly five years older and TJ. Watt, if
I'm David Mullagetta, Michael Parson's agent. How do you do
a deal for less than forty one million season? How
it's twenty six years old? About twenty six years old?
How can't So that's where it's at. They both want
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to get a deal done. I expected to get done
down a lock. But he's not going anywhere. There's no
trade talks nothing, He's not going. We could stop that nonsense.
The stuff about you, all these bloggers and aggregators doing
these trade proposed it's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's not happening.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I do think there's another possibility there. And you tell
me if you if you think this is is accurate.
We do always look at it and go like, hey,
why doesn't Jerry get this deal done?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well the other part too, it is there's a very
strong likelihood that they're asking for absolutely obscene money. And
he's like that that doesn't make any sense. Be happy
to have a conversation once we get into realistic money. Right,
We do have a tendency just because they've done this,
and and look, I actually agree with him on the
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top on the Dak Prescott contract, Like it's why it's
Dak Prescott's been hurt a lot, and we have not
you know, so why did you sign a contract with him?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Listen, Jerry did not have to do that deal, Doug. Now,
it's they would have liked to have done a shorter
contract that the Prescott saw, but they did a four year.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Extension for the for cap purposes.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
What you got, he got, I mean he got sixty
million or on the nose, I mean it's it's a
jit contract. The structure's really really good. Now that well,
Michael Parsons is a guy that's going to get a
deal that's going to be historic, and there's really no
reason to do it if you're if you're Michael Parsons,
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if it's less than forty one million. Now, the problem
that would be, we're on what you're talking about, Well,
Micah's not going to want to play for twenty four
million for the season. It's fully guaran cheated. But so
what he can get hurt and he never gets his deal.
So that that's that's why there's it's highly unlikely he'll
play on this deal without an extension.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Now, what you.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Can do is you could do a short term deal
because you're you're worried about the guaranteering three future years.
You could do something like that, but typically they're not
done anymore because club when there's something hanging over a club,
when you've won, both sides agree that, okay, we're going
to get this done, they get it done.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Whether it's three or four years.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Now the Cowboys might if Parsons wants to get forty
three forty four million a year, have to do four
or five years. That's where you got to You've got
to be fair to the club. And remember, as you mentioned,
this is a fair point. He's on his fifth year option.
They could franchise him for two years and that's where
their leverage would be.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Stug got Liab Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Adam Kaplan. Okay, where are we with
We have a first round pick who's working out with
his school.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
Yeah, he's not practicing. You're talking about Shamar Turner. Let's
make that clear. Who's the first round pick for the Bengals.
It's he's not re entering school all that. Again, bad
aggregation not doing that. So this is where we're at.
The Bengals are not budging Mike Brown, the magic Partner,
the principal owner, his family, His daughter Ni Katie, negotiates
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the contracts. Duke Tobin, who's the personnel director, he doesn't
negotiate contracts. He's just basically the league's the team spokesman.
They're not budging on the default language. Default language is
very simple. It's if you cannot fulfill your duties as
a player, if you get suspended. In particular, we're not
going to pay that future cat. We're not going to
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guarantee you future money. And that's it. Now, here's the
problem with it. Maryusmims, their first round pick, did not
have this language in this contract last year. That's why
his agent, Zach Killer is saying, listen, we want. All
we want is what you did last year. Now, I
would suggest they must not trust Schamar Turner at some point,
because why would you give different language for a player
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drafted this year when you gave a guy last year
a contract where you didn't have to worry about that.
That's just not right. No one else is doing it.
But now veterans get default language. Now that's a different story.
But for whatever reason, they're doing what they're doing. And
let's not forget Sam Hubbard. You've got he retired one
of their starting defensive ends, and Trey Hendrickson hasn't got
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his extension yet. They're moving pretty close, by the way,
and he's around the same age, by the way as TJ.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, speaking of TJ Watt, what should we read into
his new deal?
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Well, I'm a little surprised. I'm really surprised, but you
know I you know, I study contracts, I specialize in it.
The big hold up and why didn't get done around
the draft is because they were balking at CEA's asking
guaranteed money. And then Omar Khan, the general manager, got promoted,
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who used to be their contract negotiat, who still does
a lot of negotiation. Anyway, he got ownership to say, listen,
we made TJ the heighst paid player at Drutcher and
NFL history four years ago. But remember now, we waited
until September tenth, right when the season started.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
We know what they want.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
This will be his last contract. We're going to have
to extend this one well like they want it. We're
going to take care of this player. And they've done
I'll tell you what, Doug. Now only did they step up,
they did a structure which they had really not done
other than with Ben Roethlisberger. They did this first time
with a defensive player with TJ. Watt four years ago.
They did it again. They're guaranteeing a whopping dollar amount
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this year and then two future years, and then the
last year is not guaranteed, but this year and two
more years are fully guaranteed. The money's crazy, ridiculous, And
to be honest with you, when you're thirty three years old,
there's no it's highly unlikely who'd be playing the same
levels this year. That's the knock on why a lot
of people are in league thought this was a little
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bit foolhardy by the Steelers, but he's their player and
they want to do it right by him.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I let's circle back to the Bengals. What happens to
Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
That deal I expect to get done now.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
His agent, Hord Lewis, has been in the business of
thirty five forty years. He knows every agent will tell
you that it's dealt with the Bengals. It's not easy.
They're not a cash rich team. Most teams are cash rich.
They're one of the teams that are not cash rich.
They did the big deal last year for Jamar Chase.
They did the big for t Higgins, which a lot
of people thought was not smart for a number two receiver.
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Making pay the highest paid number two receiver in the
NFL probably not the smartest thing to do. And now
you got their best defensive player, one of their top
three players, who's got a very undervalued deal, and they
know they have to step up and they're trying. I mean,
they've had a lot of proposals. They're pretty close. I
would not be surprised if a deal gets done this week.
I usually don't make those kind of predictions because things
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could break down, you know, between clubs and agents. I've
dealt with this for twenty seven years, but this one
is getting pretty close. But I'm very curious.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
What the real like.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Let's say it gets reported by like ten people that
it's forty one million a year, but I'm very interesting
see how much they actually guarantee it's signing, because that's
going to be the big deal.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, our
Fox Sports Radio NFL insiders. Adam Kaplan He's kind of
to spend some time this year on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's the likely that Anthony
Richardson is a starting quarterback for the Colts?
Speaker 9 (42:00):
Oh boy, I don't do odds, but they want Look,
they want Daniel Jones, who they thought it would be
a good fit for their system. They really felt that
he would push him because they wanted someone with pretty
high character who has been the playoffs. Before you could
say what you want about Daniel Jones, they shocked the
world when they not only made the playoffs, they won
a playoff game in twenty two they won at Minnesota.
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So they know this player. They've done their homework on him.
It's not making a ton of money, Daniel Jones making
about fourteen million nuts, not starter money, that's high in
backup money. They're gonna like, what's the chances are unless
he just completely implodes as inaccurate, he's going to be
the starter Richardson. But it's not just that, Doug, it's
what are the chances they'll keep the job much less? Look,
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Chris Ballard his jobs on the line. The general manager
Shane Steichen so in a third year. They head coach
Chris Bowder's not got the contract. The quarterbacks right since
Andrew Lux surprisingly retired, which is not Chris's problem. He
didn't control that one. But the bottom line is he
hadn't got it right. And you saw what happened with
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Richardson last year, the benching, the immaturity. You're hoping he
learned a valuable lesson, he said he has, but he's
going to have to prove it. And by the way,
he's he's healthy, he's ready to go.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
He's healthy, he's ready to go. But is he any
good when he is healthy? And yeah, question ye. Yeah.
He also hasn't been able to stay in right right.
Speaker 9 (43:20):
And really he's only had like two or three good
games effect one of his maybe his best game was
his first game a couple of years ago with the Colts.
So yeah, it you know, it's a shit And you
know this from being a guy's done ready for years
and you follow the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
How you go a quarterback is how you go.
Speaker 9 (43:33):
And when you're when you're below average at quarterback, I
don't care how good your defense is, you're not going
to win.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, And and then it's a cycle of every time
they run he ses you know, they've run him less
to get him put him in Harm's way less. But
part of what makes him potentially super effective is his
ability to run the ball.
Speaker 9 (43:52):
I know, and play goal line. Yeah you're you're right.
But what they want him to do is and this
is this has less to do with design. When you're
drop and back run the play like you should run
it now. If you don't like what you see, go,
But you have to also learn all the quarterbacks you name,
we could go through the list of running quarterbacks. You
have to learn how to slide and get out of bounds.
And that's a learn trait. The more you play, Doug
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by the way, the more you play, the more you learn,
as you know, as a coach, and he's got to
do that.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
He's really got to play.
Speaker 9 (44:20):
They they really want to make an evaluation and haven't
been able to make an evaluation on him, as I
understand it.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
They don't feel like.
Speaker 9 (44:25):
They have because he's just as barely played because he's
been hurt, you know, but the little bit of immaturity
last season.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, no question, cap, Great stuff, dude, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Good stuff, Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
All right, that's Adam Kaplan our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. Okay,
coming up next, what we loved from the weekend, What
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We'll get you ready for the NFL season with some
interesting holdouts, hold ins and and whatnot. We got love
and hate for you. We got this continuing involving NFLPA
story really really really interesting in terms of unions and
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how some of the strife within the union for the
NFL and NFLPA. And then of course you in college athletics.
Some people think players should join the union. Then you're like, wait,
there's some union issues there. Speaking of unions, I think
I can combined the flaws of the w NBA union
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of players with Scotty Scheffler winning the Open Championship. You know,
just bear with me for a second. So Scheffler is
the best player in the world. He wins the Open Championship,
and this on the heels of when Scotty told the
media before the Open, I just don't get a lot
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of joy out of it. You know, still like doing
the work, it's all I know. But when we win,
it's like, you know, a couple seconds a high and
then hey, what are we going to eat? And that
didn't I mean, I just didn't land perfectly with me.
But again, that doesn't mean that he couldn't win, or
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that we should feel bad about him winning or anything. Right,
there's a certain thing that he has that some of
us strive for, which is kind of a balance in
your life. Things shouldn't matter at work as much as
they do for some of us. But the other side
to it, and this is a really important side to it,
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The other side to it is guys that are just
vicious competitors and always looking for the next kill. If
you will again, this is just more sports analogy, or
if you want to make it kind of like an
animal analogy, or or maybe the biggest thing would not
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even be animal analogy, is just Tom Brady, right. Tom
Brady's famous for what's his favorite super Bowl? The next one?
Whereas Scotti Scheffler, Eh, didn't mean that much to me.
But here's what's an issue when you combined the WNBA
and what I felt like was a disastrous weekend the
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second straight summer in which they could have done so
many great things to promote their product, to wrap their
proverbial arms around their growing superstar, and yet again, second
straight summer, they tripped on their egos and on all
of the things. They feel like it was done wrong
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to them in the past, and it hurt their ability
to shine brightly when nothing else is really shining. But
the big thing is when you get a superstar, learning
how to promote that superstar. And when you were a
superstar like talent in a sport, you do carry a
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certain It's just important for you to embrace that and
to find a way to have the game grow with
you like Tiger Woods wasn't perfect, right, obviously far from
and the image that was portrayed to us was only
a fracture of the real image of the real guy
of Tiger Woods. But whether it was Nike, whether it
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was his agent, whether it was the time, whether it
was Tiger himself, he took the sports rule by storm.
Let's just be honest. Golf was boring, Golf was rich people.
Golf was old, fat white dudes that could weren't athletic
enough to play a real sport, and they would go
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and drink and smoke cigars with their buddies on weekends
and pay gargantuan sums of money that we could ever
think of paying. And so it was completely unrelatable to
those of us who grew up lower, lower or lower
middle income.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
If you're if you didn't grow up with your well,
your dad at as at a country club, you didn't
grow up with a golf club in your hand until
Tiger Woods became a star. You look at the NBA
and what's been what's been fixed, What's been fixed by
Steph Curry, Lebron James was that gap after Michael Jordan, Right,
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And whichever one you like they've helped kind of raise
up the game, probably Steph Curry even more so than Lebron,
even though we'd all agree Lebron is the is the
better overall player. But again, I think the big thing is,
if you look at what's going on in the w
n b A, if you look at what's going on
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with Scotti Scheffler, neither of them understand the superstar thing.
For Scheffler, I get it. You don't love golf or
you don't it doesn't bring you the energy that winning
isn't as triumphant, as amazing as you thought it would be.
But because this is it's like, eh, eh, fine, it's
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hard for mainstream not golf fans are going to get
behind him because he's amazing and there is something to
the subtle art of not giving a flip, and maybe
that's why he wins when others with similar or maybe
even equal talent fall short. Right, how many times has
Rory fallen short? How many times? You know? How many
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times have you go through all of these guys You're like, man,
this guy's an incredible talent. They've won majors, yet they
can't be as consistent as he can be. And maybe
A big reason is it just doesn't care that much,
so it doesn't bother him that much, so he doesn't
carry these nerves and this angst and this anxiety when
he gets to sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and it's you can
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put away tournaments that way. Maybe I don't know, but
it's really hard for us to make golf a thing
like it was with Tiger when the guy doesn't really
embrace or doesn't know how to carry the sport like
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his talent says he should. And then conversely, for the WNBA,
they keep pushing against this superstar, doing everything they can
in their power to push against Caitlin Clark as a
superstar as representing their sport, and they don't know how
to do it either. They don't know how to do
it either. Say what you want about the NBA and
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the flaws of the NBA, but the fact is it
is a star driven league and they know what they're doing.
NFL the same. And look, not every NFL star wants
to be a star or gets it or embraces it
or whatever, but dynamic personalities that then become the best
or close to the best in the league have to
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one be lifted up by everybody in the league. And
then two they have to embrace that themselves and golf
has a chance. You have an amazing player. You've got
a lot of amazing players. But I mean Scotty Scheffer's
numbers and wins incredible. But because he doesn't outwardly says
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it doesn't matter that much to him, even if it's
a great place to be in your work life balance,
even if that speaks to gen z Okay, it misses
the mark when you can be carrying a sport and
the WNBA trying to fight old battles and using the
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wrong tone and the wrong approach, all while constantly pushing
against this idea of Caitlin Clark lifting your sport up
of being among the games elite. It's almost comical how
both sides, both sports are tripping all over themselves to
find a superstar. The WNBA and golf have both found it,
and yet they can't capitalize on it like on paper
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Speaker 1 (11:05):
WNBA All Star Game took place this weekend. Did any
of you guys watch bo Did you watch any of you
guys watch anybody?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I watched the first half and the festivites leading up
to it.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Okay, so Sam helped me out again. I'm trying to
consume one because I don't like All Star games too.
I'm just gonna be as see you. It's the whole.
WNBA has always been a hard watch for me. I
enjoy watching Caitlin Clark play some but again a lot
of this is how it gets cycled into my phone,
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right because just like the rest of the world, I
have the bad habit of not paying attention to something
recruiting over the weekend and trying to not take the
perspective that's given through social media. But what was shared
was it was basically the the NBA All Star Game
without the athleticism and skill in that nobody played any
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sort of defense. Is that accurate?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah? Yeah, there wasn't much defense and there was a
lot of bricks.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I'll just say that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So let me get this straight. Okay, the WNBA has
this new superstar. Okay, it's new superstar, and they have
a chance, with all of the dysfunctions in other sports,
to capitalize on the momentum of the sport. And over
the weekend in Indianapolis, where one Caitlin Clark owns that
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town too, they've been selling out the Pacers Arena for
WNBA games and there's a tremendous basketball fan base in
general being in the state of Indiana. They came out
in the court with T shirts saying pay us, which
you owe us, and Caitland Clark didn't play, and then
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they played a worse version of the NBA All Star Game,
which everybody has rightfully been critical of, And after the
game there was then subtle jabs thrown at Kaitlyn Clark
and her team for not participating in a discussion about
said T shirts before they reward. How did I do?
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yep?
Speaker 6 (13:20):
That sums it up.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, So what's going to happen is at some point,
at some point even with Kitlin Clark, but the rest
of the league is going to run into a Hey,
we're back in that same predicament of not people not caring,
but people actually pushing it away, and it's going to
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be blamed. It will, without any questions, say hey, America
is male, chauvinistic, anti whatever, alternative lifestyle whatever, when that's
not what it is. Is there some of that? Yeah,
there's there's always going to be something. There's also reality
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to it. Right, Women are less athletic than men. It
is not at the jaw dropping athleticism that we're used
to seeing in professional basketball. It's just not their skill level,
though better than it's ever been, is not nor will
ever be, at the level of men. And yet they
want to compare themselves the salary to it. So there's
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part of that. There's a reality to it, a harsh
reality to it. But there's also hey, last year you
had the Olympics, you chose not to bring Caitlin Clark,
and so people like myself said, not only am I
not appointment viewing, I'm actually going to make sure that
I don't watch because it's just gross that they don't
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really want to embrace their growth in their own game.
And then with the T shirts, look I get there's
the reality of them only getting I think it's nine
percent of a revenue share. And of course every Moody
on social media likes to smartly point out that, hey,
you lost forty million last year as a league, so
if you want to share the revenue, should you share
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the revenue losses? And of course the NBA subsidizes it.
And then you know, women will tell you. Women of
the WNBA will tell you like, hey, look, if the
new TV deal goes in effect. When the new TV
deal goes in effect, we get very little of it.
And these owners are now going to be made whole
on some level because of it, asking for more, asking
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for a spot at the table, asking for the chance
to get a higher percentage of the revenue is very reasonable. Hey,
we're doing way better now than we used to. We're
flying in charters, we're on commercials, we're doing better than
we used to. Can we continue to make it better
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for women of the WNBA? Is different than pay us
what you owe us, because exacting and extracting that revenge payment,
if you will, is exactly how we feel. I would
just say, as the average consumer, the average sports fan,
it's like, hey, now you got to give us the
attention that you owe us. We don't owe you anything.
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No one owes you anything. Some of it is semantics.
It's just one word. The word is oh. It's oh,
nobody owes you anything, zero, zilch zip, nada. Had they
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simply said, you know, pay us as we earn it,
think of how that would have landed. Think of how
that lands. Or even pay us what we've earned lands better.
It still doesn't land great, but lands better. Then pay
us what you owe us, Oh, reeks of entitlement. Oh
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is paying for the past When anybody who's followed this
league at all will say, like, owe you We've been
bleeding money for twenty five years. I don't know you nothing.
But it's more how it actually lands with the people
you're trying to win over. None of that has any
effect on negotiations. Negotiations are really just about hey, are
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you unified? Do you have is your union ready to
await for walk away from checks? If you're ready to
walk away from checks and you're you're ready to run
the you know, have the danger of walking away from checks,
if you're willing to do that, well, hey, this is
getting this, this will get interesting. Doesn't that have any
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But this is about winning the room, or maybe not
even winning the room. This is about winning in public perception,
which does have value. It does have value. Public perception
absolutely has value. Maybe not to the extent that the
women of the WNBA think or understand, but it has value.
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On the other hand, using a word like oh, it
just lands terribly, I don't know anybody who looked at
it and goes like, yeah, that's great, that's great. Sam,
you are the biggest WNBA fan and really a kingle
Clark fan, you know, you and Monse you're the two
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biggest at the network.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
And Martin Weiss big fan, big fan.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Okay, again, I'm gonna warn you guys, be cautious to
not it's like guys on social media when it's like
a Saturday morning and they start tech, they start tweeting
about uwave football, Like you're like, if that's what you
love and you're covering the NFL, you're showing you really
don't care as much about it. It's just a job
(19:05):
to you. It's that's that's it. That's a Titanic you're
going to sink on. So it's cool to love it
and enjoy it, but just know, like becoming a w
NBA leading sports radio shows consecutively continually when real, when
other sports matter, it's not a great way to live.
That said, how did how'd those shirts slam?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
With you?
Speaker 7 (19:31):
Man?
Speaker 8 (19:31):
It They're controversial for sure, I mean for all the
reasons you said, you know, and then but then you
listen to the people calling the game and they had
their own explanation for it and reasons why they were
wearing the shirt. And but I think it's a little
too soon to be like demanding so much. Give it
another four or five years. So I think that then
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you get to the point where you're like, Okay, pay
us what we deserve now there's there is a lot
of money floating around and both said it. We had
a bo Bens and our executive producer today had a
great term, you know, accounting magic. I think magical accounting. Yeah,
the money's out there somewhere, but I just don't know
if it's you know, at this point, it should be
all put up front at this you know for the players.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
No, listen, we all listen. We all want to focus
on the forty million dollars lost by the league. Okay,
And every good business tries to look like they don't
make any money because they don't play any taxes. If
we lose money, great, right, Like NBA teams will tell you.
You know, Mark Cuban when he sold sold the Mavericks,
(20:34):
I lost hundreds of you know, hundreds of millions of
dollars and then you end up making it back on
the sale the team. The difference is in this league
you generally don't make money even when you sell the team,
or to this point, you haven't made money when you
sell the team. That's why they have to create more
teams because that's the way to get more money to
the owners, and you get it through franchise fees. So
(20:56):
I agree with the there is some cute accounting taking
place that leads you to believe it loses more money
than it probably loses. That said, everyone knows the w
NBA loses money and the word oh is not only
entitlement but the past. And that's not what you're trying
to capitalize on. Rick Kicker joins us Fox Sports One
(21:16):
and Fox Sports Radio. NBA Insatury joins us in the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's uh, let's
get to the league. As Marcus Smart now member of
the of the Lakers, what does that do for the Lakers?
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Look? Is it gonna help? Sure? But I I feel
and I've always been a Marcus Smart fan. I it's
I don't want to say it's a desperate move, but
I don't know how excited anybody should get over where
Marcus Smart is at this point. And what I really
(21:54):
am curious about is the chemistry between Smart and Lebron
and Luca uh and to a lesser extent, JJ. Marcus
has always been about kind of playing at both ends
and holding you know, bigger players, guys with bigger names
(22:16):
accountable when he has played with and he hasn't been
afraid to speak his mind or call them out. And
I don't know that personality has changed, even though his
game has declined somewhat. And that's where I'll be. It
makes them very interesting. I'll be interested. But that makes
them a chemistry experiment that I'm not sure is going
to turn out the way the Lakers fans with hope
(22:37):
it would.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, it's it's weird.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Any chance they move Lebron before the season starts.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
I just I don't. I don't see it. I know
it's out there, I know that they would be open
to it. I just don't see a world in which
Lebron is going to a place where it makes sense
for him. He's still if he's going to have any cachet,
it is going to be with the Lakers more than
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any place else. And it really doesn't make sense for
any of the other teams, especially when it comes to
a trade, like what are you giving up? How do
you You're gonna have to give up something just to
match the contract. That's where his opting in. You can't
opt in and say I'm still playing for championships. If
you wanted to play for championships, you've got to go
someplace where you're picking your spot. You're signing a deal
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that makes physcal sense for the team more so than
for yourself. And then then that provides that opportunity opting
in almost practically eliminates that for any team that considers
itself a title contender.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, so help me out with the Warriors, They've done
so little. It seems like everybody's waiting on something to happen. Yeah,
why has anything happened yet?
Speaker 7 (24:01):
A big part of it is is trying to figure
out what they can get for uh, for Jonathan Kaminga
and there's not a great market out there. It's really
trying to make a deal that that improves them. And
that's the big that's the big piece right here that
they're that they're sort of sitting on, is trying to
(24:23):
figure that out. But there look, here's the reality they're
up against it. They Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry alone
take up three fourths of their salary cap room. You
add Draymond Green to that and it's nine tenths. So
the flexibility that they have is severely limited because of
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what they are paying their top three players. And unless
you're going to move one of those, which there there
is no plan to do that. They're really up against
it in terms of making improving this team and making
it make physical sense unless they're able to turn Kminga
into UH into something. And right now there's just there's
not a market because people don't want to pay what
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Kaminga thinks he's worth. And so I think that you know,
at this point, it's it's going to be he's gonna
sign that he's going to have that extension, UH, the
restricted pre agent extension, and then potentially be an unrestricted
pre agent next summer. That that at least is the
way it is looking right now. Everybody that I talked
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to around the.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
League, Rick Berger joining us here on the on the
Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio, UH, okay, then
you got the East, which you know Celtics looks like
you kind of got a pause for a year. Terms
of competing pacers, obviously the same. We know what the
Bucks are trying to do, and yet we're still waiting
on a full commitment from Jannis. Like a fool like
(25:58):
I'm in, don't call. Will we get that?
Speaker 7 (26:02):
I would expect that they will, because I don't know
that there's anything out there that makes more sense than
what he has in Milwaukee, and I would take Damian
Lillard going back to Portland as a cautionary tale that's
right in Giannis's face, which is you are beloved in Milwaukee.
You've actually done more than Damien did in Portland. You
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brought them a championship. You're still at an age, and
you're with a GM who is demonstrated he's capable of
putting a championship caliber roster around you. You can go
someplace else. There's no guarantee that you're winning a championship,
and if you do, it's going to be discounted because
you went someplace else to join someone else, as opposed
(26:45):
to you stick around and you take another stab at it,
and if you win a second one, it's almost like,
you know, Steph Winn winning championship in twenty two, twenty
three's it takes you over the top in terms of
where you are and your legacy in Milwaukee. I don't
know if there's any place else where he can go
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unless he wins multiple championships that he could that he
could he could raise his bar more so than staying
in Milwaukee and potentially winning winning another title or just
just being able to compete for one and then the
reason that he hasn't fully committed is because he's looking
(27:27):
at it saying, Okay, I don't see anything out there,
but why you know, let's let's see if anything comes
up that makes sense that there's something there's somewhere that
I could go that could potentially be better than what
I have. There's there. I don't see where he feels
that there's an urgency there, but I don't know that
(27:48):
it means that like he's torn. I think the wrong
read is to suggest that he's he's really conflicted. He
wants to leave Milwaukee, but he can't find the place
to go to. I think it's more a matter of
he's ready to stay in Milwaukee, but wants to leave
his options open to see if possibly something better could arise.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You know, I semantics matter. It really matters to those
of us, you know, like yourself, when we're kind of
breaking down what people say, what they write, and what
it all means, but also matters in terms of perception.
I felt like the flaw in the w NBA with
the T shirts, there's there's a lot right they just
(28:35):
they still can't embrace Caitlyn Clark. They're very much pushing back,
but just in the pay us what you owe us. Yeah,
the the O makes people think of entitlement. It also
makes you think that there's some wrong done to women
in the past that most of us. And again, like
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the women's deal isn't particularly good good right, it just isn't.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Part of it was they weren't making money, so whatever,
It's not a particular deal, so not wrong. But I
think the mistake is in the oh US instead of
saying what we will earn? How did land for you?
When you saw those T shirts this weekend?
Speaker 7 (29:17):
You know what, Honestly it felt a lot like the
slogans and the the T shirts in the bubble that
can the concessions that the players made to play in
the bubble so that we can wear T shirts and
we can have slogans on the court. And I felt like, Okay,
(29:40):
I understand, I understand what you guys are going for.
Are you, in today's market worth more than you're getting paid. Yeah,
there's an argument to be made for that, But I
think you make a great point in terms of it
feels like that they've been persecuted up to this point,
and the reality is there's this conflict between. You know what,
(30:02):
the reason that you're you're now have the attention that
you do is because of one person that you seemingly
can't embrace, because she recognizes that she's different than the
rest of you, and she is protecting that status. She's
not going to join She's not she's not one of
the girls.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Right.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
She came in, she's been treated a certain way. She's
going to stand on her own brand, in her own position.
It's not that she's not a teammate with a teammate
with her, with her her team, but this idea that
she's got to like fall in line with everybody in
the WNBA who was already there. I don't see Caitlin
catering to that, nor do I think that she should,
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because she's the reason where they are. So it's like,
I'm not bringing myself down to your level. Yet we're
not talking about as basketball players. We're talking about as
brand and and attractions. I have more pulled than you do.
And honestly, if the WNBA players knew their history and
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had put some forethought into this and really wanted to
use the All Star Game as a platform, they would
have done what the NBA players did back in the
Oscar robertson Bob Coosey days, which is they played the
All Star Game and they wanted their players union. They
wanted the players union recognized. They wanted to be able
(31:30):
to collectively bargain for better terms, better relationship with the owners.
And so they played the first half of the All
Star Game and at halftime they said, unless you recognize
the players Union, unless we're able to collectively bargain, we're
not coming out and play in the second half. And
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the owners the owners caved, And that's how the Players
Union that provides everything that it does today for the players.
That's how it was formed. So if you want, if
you're really about this business, if you really want, like
if you want things to change, then you're gonna have
to go to the wall and be cutthroat about it.
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And you can't go out there wearing a T shirt.
Think I get where they are, that they think they
did something bold, but the reality is this is business
and you are dealing with billionaire businessman. They're gonna laugh
at the idea that you're somehow going to influence them
by wearing a T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
He's Rick Buker. He works for Fox Sports and Fox
Sports One. He joins us every week in the Doug
Gallop Show. If you get the best, man, I really
appreciate your time. You got it all right, We'll turn
to some football up coming next. Wait to hear what
Jerry Jones said? Is it a big deal, a little
deal or no deal? Bye out next.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show week days at three pm Easter noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Adam Kaplan joins us. Of course, he has the Inside
the Birds podcast as he's our major league he's he's
our NFL insider for Fox Sports Radio. Did you hear
what Jerry Jones said about Michael Parsons?
Speaker 9 (33:10):
Michael Parsons, Yes, And I have a friend who works
with the Cowboys, so he made me. He made sure
that I listened to what Jerry said today.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
We had a good laugh. Yes, well wellware, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, So I understand he's not a free agent really
at the end this year they can franchise it, right.
I get that that they do still have some leverage,
But here we are kind of in that same cowboy
cycle of really good player, guy who wants to be there,
and yet we don't have a new contract or contract extension.
So there's a standoff before the last year of the deal,
(33:40):
feeling like it's gonna end up casting the Couston the
Cowboys more rather than less. Why go down the same path.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
Because I've talked about this now for what like six
years on FSR every contract. I mean, he in factually,
it's funny you bring us up. Jerry talked about what
happened with Dak Prescott. Jerry Wade, Doug waited, waited and waited.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
What happened.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
He paid it above market deal for Dak Prescott. Okay,
Todd France's agent did a great job. He's like, if
you want to get paid, if you want to get
this done, this is what it's going to cost. He
waited too long and he paid above market sixty million
a year. And Jerry brought up today Doug that you
know we did a contract last year and the guy
missed two thirds of the season.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Oh well, that's not the players problem. I call stuff
down in the middle.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
I'm just telling you the way people look at it,
and with Michael Parsons, now that we have the deal
for guys nearly five years older and TJ. Watt, if
I'm David Mullagetta, Michael Parson's agent. How do you do
a deal for less than forty one million season? How
it's twenty six years old? About twenty six years old?
How can't So that's where it's at. They both want
(34:47):
to get a deal done. I expected to get done
down a lock. But he's not going anywhere. There's no
trade talks nothing, He's not going. We could stop that nonsense.
The stuff about you, all these bloggers and aggregators doing
these trade proposed it's nonsense.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
It's not happening.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
I do think there's another possibility there. And you tell
me if you if you think this is is accurate.
We do always look at it and go like, hey,
why doesn't Jerry get this deal done?
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Well the other part too, it is there's a very
strong likelihood that they're asking for absolutely obscene money. And
he's like that that doesn't make any sense. Be happy
to have a conversation once we get into realistic money. Right,
We do have a tendency just because they've done this,
and and look, I actually agree with him on the
(35:34):
top on the Dak Prescott contract, Like it's why it's
Dak Prescott's been hurt a lot, and we have not
you know, so why did you sign a contract with him?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
He didn't have to do that.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Listen, Jerry did not have to do that deal, Doug. Now,
it's they would have liked to have done a shorter
contract that the Prescott saw, but they did a four year.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Extension for the for cap purposes.
Speaker 9 (35:55):
What you got, he got, I mean he got sixty
million or on the nose, I mean it's it's a
jit contract. The structure's really really good. Now that well,
Michael Parsons is a guy that's going to get a
deal that's going to be historic, and there's really no
reason to do it if you're if you're Michael Parsons,
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if it's less than forty one million. Now, the problem
that would be, we're on what you're talking about, Well,
Micah's not going to want to play for twenty four
million for the season. It's fully guaran cheated. But so
what he can get hurt and he never gets his deal.
So that that's that's why there's it's highly unlikely he'll
play on this deal without an extension.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Now, what you.
Speaker 9 (36:34):
Can do is you could do a short term deal
because you're you're worried about the guaranteering three future years.
You could do something like that, but typically they're not
done anymore because club when there's something hanging over a club,
when you've won, both sides agree that, okay, we're going
to get this done, they get it done.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Whether it's three or four years.
Speaker 9 (36:55):
Now the Cowboys might if Parsons wants to get forty
three forty four million a year, have to do four
or five years. That's where you got to You've got
to be fair to the club. And remember, as you mentioned,
this is a fair point. He's on his fifth year option.
They could franchise him for two years and that's where
their leverage would be.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Stug got Liab Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Adam Kaplan. Okay, where are we with
We have a first round pick who's working out with
his school.
Speaker 9 (37:25):
Yeah, he's not practicing. You're talking about Shamar Turner. Let's
make that clear. Who's the first round pick for the Bengals.
It's he's not re entering school all that. Again, bad
aggregation not doing that. So this is where we're at.
The Bengals are not budging Mike Brown, the magic Partner,
the principal owner, his family, His daughter Ni Katie, negotiates
(37:47):
the contracts. Duke Tobin, who's the personnel director, he doesn't
negotiate contracts. He's just basically the league's the team spokesman.
They're not budging on the default language. Default language is
very simple. It's if you cannot fulfill your duties as
a player, if you get suspended. In particular, we're not
going to pay that future cat. We're not going to
(38:09):
guarantee you future money. And that's it. Now, here's the
problem with it. Maryusmims, their first round pick, did not
have this language in this contract last year. That's why
his agent, Zach Killer is saying, listen, we want. All
we want is what you did last year. Now, I
would suggest they must not trust Schamar Turner at some point,
because why would you give different language for a player
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drafted this year when you gave a guy last year
a contract where you didn't have to worry about that.
That's just not right. No one else is doing it.
But now veterans get default language. Now that's a different story.
But for whatever reason, they're doing what they're doing. And
let's not forget Sam Hubbard. You've got he retired one
of their starting defensive ends, and Trey Hendrickson hasn't got
(38:54):
his extension yet. They're moving pretty close, by the way,
and he's around the same age, by the way as TJ.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Watt.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Okay, speaking of TJ Watt, what should we read into
his new deal?
Speaker 9 (39:06):
Well, I'm a little surprised. I'm really surprised, but you
know I you know, I study contracts, I specialize in it.
The big hold up and why didn't get done around
the draft is because they were balking at CEA's asking
guaranteed money. And then Omar Khan, the general manager, got promoted,
(39:28):
who used to be their contract negotiat, who still does
a lot of negotiation. Anyway, he got ownership to say, listen,
we made TJ the heighst paid player at Drutcher and
NFL history four years ago. But remember now, we waited
until September tenth, right when the season started.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
We know what they want.
Speaker 9 (39:46):
This will be his last contract. We're going to have
to extend this one well like they want it. We're
going to take care of this player. And they've done
I'll tell you what, Doug. Now only did they step up,
they did a structure which they had really not done
other than with Ben Roethlisberger. They did this first time
with a defensive player with TJ. Watt four years ago.
They did it again. They're guaranteeing a whopping dollar amount
(40:09):
this year and then two future years, and then the
last year is not guaranteed, but this year and two
more years are fully guaranteed. The money's crazy, ridiculous, And
to be honest with you, when you're thirty three years old,
there's no it's highly unlikely who'd be playing the same
levels this year. That's the knock on why a lot
of people are in league thought this was a little
(40:30):
bit foolhardy by the Steelers, but he's their player and
they want to do it right by him.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I let's circle back to the Bengals. What happens to
Trey Hendrickson?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
That deal I expect to get done now.
Speaker 9 (40:42):
His agent, Hord Lewis, has been in the business of
thirty five forty years. He knows every agent will tell
you that it's dealt with the Bengals. It's not easy.
They're not a cash rich team. Most teams are cash rich.
They're one of the teams that are not cash rich.
They did the big deal last year for Jamar Chase.
They did the big for t Higgins, which a lot
of people thought was not smart for a number two receiver.
(41:04):
Making pay the highest paid number two receiver in the
NFL probably not the smartest thing to do. And now
you got their best defensive player, one of their top
three players, who's got a very undervalued deal, and they
know they have to step up and they're trying. I mean,
they've had a lot of proposals. They're pretty close. I
would not be surprised if a deal gets done this week.
I usually don't make those kind of predictions because things
(41:24):
could break down, you know, between clubs and agents. I've
dealt with this for twenty seven years, but this one
is getting pretty close. But I'm very curious.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
What the real like.
Speaker 9 (41:34):
Let's say it gets reported by like ten people that
it's forty one million a year, but I'm very interesting
see how much they actually guarantee it's signing, because that's
going to be the big deal.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, our
Fox Sports Radio NFL insiders. Adam Kaplan He's kind of
to spend some time this year on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's the likely that Anthony
Richardson is a starting quarterback for the Colts?
Speaker 9 (42:00):
Oh boy, I don't do odds, but they want Look,
they want Daniel Jones, who they thought it would be
a good fit for their system. They really felt that
he would push him because they wanted someone with pretty
high character who has been the playoffs. Before you could
say what you want about Daniel Jones, they shocked the
world when they not only made the playoffs, they won
a playoff game in twenty two they won at Minnesota.
(42:22):
So they know this player. They've done their homework on him.
It's not making a ton of money, Daniel Jones making
about fourteen million nuts, not starter money, that's high in
backup money. They're gonna like, what's the chances are unless
he just completely implodes as inaccurate, he's going to be
the starter Richardson. But it's not just that, Doug, it's
what are the chances they'll keep the job much less? Look,
(42:42):
Chris Ballard his jobs on the line. The general manager
Shane Steichen so in a third year. They head coach
Chris Bowder's not got the contract. The quarterbacks right since
Andrew Lux surprisingly retired, which is not Chris's problem. He
didn't control that one. But the bottom line is he
hadn't got it right. And you saw what happened with
(43:02):
Richardson last year, the benching, the immaturity. You're hoping he
learned a valuable lesson, he said he has, but he's
going to have to prove it. And by the way,
he's he's healthy, he's ready to go.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
He's healthy, he's ready to go. But is he any
good when he is healthy? And yeah, question ye. Yeah.
He also hasn't been able to stay in right right.
Speaker 9 (43:20):
And really he's only had like two or three good
games effect one of his maybe his best game was
his first game a couple of years ago with the Colts.
So yeah, it you know, it's a shit And you
know this from being a guy's done ready for years
and you follow the NFL.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
How you go a quarterback is how you go.
Speaker 9 (43:33):
And when you're when you're below average at quarterback, I
don't care how good your defense is, you're not going
to win.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, And and then it's a cycle of every time
they run he ses you know, they've run him less
to get him put him in Harm's way less. But
part of what makes him potentially super effective is his
ability to run the ball.
Speaker 9 (43:52):
I know, and play goal line. Yeah you're you're right.
But what they want him to do is and this
is this has less to do with design. When you're
drop and back run the play like you should run
it now. If you don't like what you see, go,
But you have to also learn all the quarterbacks you name,
we could go through the list of running quarterbacks. You
have to learn how to slide and get out of bounds.
And that's a learn trait. The more you play, Doug
(44:14):
by the way, the more you play, the more you learn,
as you know, as a coach, and he's got to
do that.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
He's really got to play.
Speaker 9 (44:20):
They they really want to make an evaluation and haven't
been able to make an evaluation on him, as I
understand it.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
They don't feel like.
Speaker 9 (44:25):
They have because he's just as barely played because he's
been hurt, you know, but the little bit of immaturity
last season.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, no question, cap, Great stuff, dude, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Good stuff, Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
All right, that's Adam Kaplan our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. Okay,
coming up next, what we loved from the weekend, What
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