July 22, 2025 • 42 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Cowboys and their owner/GM Jerry Jones and explains why he thinks Jones has not been the bad General Manager everyone makes him out to be.
Doug weighs in on a recent report that Lebron entertained playing with the Mavericks before deciding to pick up his player option with the Lakers.
Doug shares his thoughts on the Bengals' high profile contract situations. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Scottie Scheffler, the Bengals and all of the other headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:27):
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Sam on the ones and twos as he gets ready
for the second half of the w NBA season, which
he just geeks out for. Let's just call it like
it is. He's excited. Here you go. He's he's excited,
excited and excitable. I think we had a pretty good show.
I think it's gonna be a good day. I hope
you're having a great summer. Sad news Ozzy Osbourne dies
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at the age of seventy six. When I say sad,
it's anybody who dies, it's sad. But as I think
Jay stew you said, or was it you? Sam? Like
a bit of an upset. Ozzy Osbourne made it seventy
six years right? Who was it? Which? Which one of
you two said that?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, that's definitely my humor, and it is an upset,
Like I remember when we were watching The Osbourne's thinking,
this guy's only got a couple more months to whip. Yes,
like twenty six years.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, there was a certain there was a point there
where you felt like there was a weekend at Berney's
taking place right where you're like, gee, they just propping
him up for this show. But Ozzy Osbourne and I
thought the point, you know, without trying to make it,
because I think you left it so that I could
make it, that you make it. The Osbourne's was a
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bit of a breakthrough show, right. It paved the way
for the Kardashians. I don't know if the Keeping Up
with the Kardashians happens or is as is as successful
without the Osborns. Maybe that's for your next pod Jays too,
for your next Bachelor lifestyle pod. Good idea, Yeah, because
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without the Bachelor and without the Bachelor in Paradise, Love
Island has no chance of being as big as it's been. Again,
more ideas for your podcast. That's what I do here.
Don't have ideas for my show for your podcast. I
thought Colin had some some really interesting things to say
earlier today in regards to Jerry Jones and talking about
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when you try and do try and be great at
a bunch of things, you end up being average at
all of them. And he was of course specifically responding
to Jerry Jones when he was asked if he thought
he'd ever bring in another guy to be the actual
gentleman manager. Here was his response yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
A stepping away as general manager. Ever been even a
momentary consideration for the years?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, momentary, a lot of moments. Now we're getting down
to it, small fractions of seconds.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
As you know, you see it.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I'm in senior bowls. Combines all of that, all of
that Mels in two, a real good feeling about where
we are so that I'm not sitting up there throwing
darts about a player.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So there's a couple of different parts to it. And
I'm gonna give you a basketball analogy. You tell me
if it makes sense. Jase too, Sam, So there are
coaches in college basketball who other people substitute for. Like
I know of a really really good coach and he doesn't.
He doesn't do the subs And I just to me,
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that's well, that's like in pregnance, having somebody else impregnant
your wife when you're fully capable of doing it, right.
That's that's my thought about it, especially when the former
the coach is a former player and a really good one, right,
because what you're supposed to bring to the table is
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not the relatability, but also, hey, you've been a player,
so you use that player's intuition. He's been a coach
for a long time. He's a really good coach. But again,
it's just interesting allowing other people to do things. Now,
when you hear how Jerry Jones explains it, I think
he tells you the truth without you without most people
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hearing it. The last part when he's like you see
me the Senior Bowl, you see me here, you see
me there, So we're not just kind of going blind.
The point is in the NFL, you draft, you let
your scouts do their job. You have all kinds of layers,
and you're at the top as the general manager and
the owner of like a of the pyramid. And the
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point I made about the subbing and the letting somebody
else impregnant your wife is you know, we can all
tell Jerry Jones what he should do from our perspective
as outsiders. The reality is, if you own the most
valuable team in professional sports and you want to be
the genlem manager, you can be the gentleman manager. If
you want to be the quarterback, you give me the quarterback.
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If you want to be the coach, you can be
the coach. Like that's your money, You're allowed to do it.
That's where the expression owners own, Because owners owns. At
the end of the day, they want to do something,
they just damn well do it. No problem, problem solved.
But I I also think we have a misconception or
misperception of what actually takes place, is that he's not
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making all these picks on his own. But what he
can do is they can say, hey, I like this guy.
I saw it the Senor Bowl. I like that guy.
Let's take that guy. It's not to say that what
the Cowboys are doing is perfect or right. And I
do think there's a certain amount of what Colin's saying
which is dead to nuts accurate, because it's not just
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the GMing and the marketing, and it's they haven't done
a good job of hiring the right coaches. They become
beholden to players who they should let go. The drafting
at times has been really good. At times it hasn't.
Sometimes they've signed somebody willie nilly out a free agency
that didn't make sense. It's all those things come up
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are just coming up short, and so the team constantly
just comes up short. But all of our opinions don't
matter because we didn't pay the money. We didn't raise
the money, pay the money own the Cowboys. We weren't
owning the Cowboys when they want to call three Super Bowls.
So Jerry's allowed to do what he's allowed to do.
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If he wants to let somebody else impregnant his wife, fine,
if he wants to do it, fine. In this particular case,
he's like, I could hire somebody else, but I know
what I want and I let my scouts do their job.
And the last part is if we're being honest, for
the most part, the Cowboys has done a really good
job of their overall talent level. Granted, the Eagles have
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found a way to sort of put themselves ahead of
everybody else, but up until last year, there hasn't been
anybody who's like, you know, the Cowboys just don't have
that much talent. Hasn't been the case. That hasn't what
been what has kept the Cowboys from performing in the playoffs.
I don't think Dak's that good, and I think they're
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in that little bit quarterback purgatory. I do think there
are some other decisions they have made in terms of
re signing players. Ezekiel Elliott that wasn't a good contract
and it screwed a bunch of other things up. So
I'm not saying he's perfect, But the idea that you
bring in a different GM, he didn't have to. If
you own the team, you want to be the GM.
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And he'd done a good enough job, and they've done
a good enough job for the last fifteen years. He
doesn't have to. Now, Yes, if you do too much,
something will fall short. And I think it's in the
coaching hires they make, and in the decision at quarterback.
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They got stuck there. They had Romo, he had his
flaws in the playoffs, but then he was coming back.
They stuck with Dak. Dak's been their guy, and you
do fee letting that guy walk out the door because
finding the next quarterback is so so difficult if you
don't have one, as opposed, it feels a little easier
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when you do have one. All Right, we get back
on the Cowboys in a second. But I you know,
I look at I look at Jerry, and I'm not
defending him, but everybody talks about him giving up GM
duties and talent on that football team has not been
the problem. Coaching quarterback play, some aging out of some guys,
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and yeah, if being the GM, in terms of how
you re sign guys, how you structure the contracts, what
it all looks like. That is on Jerry. That is
his issue. But that doesn't mean you can't hire somebody
to help you with those issues while still maintaining the
kind of overarching theme of being the general manager.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
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Speaker 1 (10:00):
What upout you Dog? Gottleep Show, Fox Sports Radio. It's
a Tuesday. We don't have any kind of alliteration with
a Tuesday? Do either? I mean taco Tuesday? Right? Should
we do? Take Tuesday? I mean just because I know
how much you hate but like making fun of alliteration
and just be thinking of one. Have one in your
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
I just thought of one. How about Moncey's Meanderings?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Moncy, What am I doing here?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's it's a new segment of our show called Moncey's Meanderings.
Meander So think about that. What is MEANDERINGE.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Malingering is like have you ever been shopping and you
have no purpose and you go aisle the isle of
the isle and you're like, oh that looks good. Oh
this looks good and just keep going.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Yeah, I do that all the time, wandering Okay, all
the time you have if she's ever been shopping?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's like is that it's not even rhetorical question it
all day?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, except except it would sound exceptionally chauvenus to go like, Mancy,
you're a woman, you go shopping all the time?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Right, ladies, be shopping, I be shopping all day.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I do.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I actually really enjoy grocery shopping. Uh, not a poorly
kept secret that that's one of my favorite pastimes. But right,
so the idea, I'm actually a little bit more focused,
like I know what I want and I have it,
Like I have the whole strategy of what I get
when I get it, and I go, i'll aisle, I'll
skip the aisle, I'll i'll you know. I do the
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same thing with with when I go to a gas station. Obviously,
my main vehicle at home is electric, so I don't
have to do that when I don't like I actually,
does anybody else do this where I try and act
like at the pit stop and see how fast I
can fill up the tank?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yes, hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I always like if I have a rental car like
one of my kids with me, like time me, Like
what time me? See how fast I can do this?
Like why is that important? Like I don't know because
it is anyway Moncey's meanderings And I'm just again just
flushing out here. We should do this off outside of
the show. But that's okay, It's better this way, is
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jayse Dude, tell me what you're thinking. Like she just
goes to all of her different thoughts and they can
be movies, they can be music, they can be basketball, football, soccer, wrestling,
anything you want. Yeah, we just kind of put it
all together. It's Monzi's meanderings.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's you know, meandering is basically just taking a winding
course to things, so you just don't get right to
the point and you just it's basically what Iowa Sam
does on the air every day on Falk Corse Radio.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I get to the point eventually, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
But his name doesn't start with an M, so it
would be Monsey's me hundreds by Sam.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
You're in Wisconsin, Doug, a lot of meandering creeks and
rivers and streams. That's kind of I think of the
word meandering. I think of like rivers meandering around Ben's
and Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think of meandering as when you're at a party
and you don't really know anybody at the party, and
you just kind of walk around and you do you
do the lap around the room, and you're like, you're
trying to not make eye contact with anybody because you
get pulled into a conversation. You don't know who that
person is, and you want to go like, hey man,
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now are you dude? So you're just kind of meandering
and weave ye, get your beverage, sort of meander back,
standoff as oh I know somebody. Now I'm going in
and I'm having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, it's just you know, doing something in a rudderless way, you.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Know, rudderless way. It's really good. I like that. So
I saw this story and I wanted to discuss with
you guys. Lebron James picked up his player option to
remain with the Lakers, but it represents a calculated decision
that did not come without considering a move elsewhere, according
to John Hollinger of The Athletic. In fact, there were
whispers in the league circles about Lebron James having an
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eye for Dallas reports, but the four time NBA champion
was not willing to pass on a fifty two point
six million dollar contract with the Lakers for a non
taxpayer mid level exceptions sign in Dallas, James would have
reunited with Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis, also having an
opportunity to play alongside number one overall pick Cooper Flag.
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James express belief that Flag will be amazing with the Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So, uh.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, let's dive in here. I call bull crap, right,
I mean, look, we do this in college basketball. It's like, oh,
I could have had this guy, could have had that guy,
and not taking this guy. It was never an option
if you weren't if you were going to opt in. Ever, well,
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Lebron James ever played for less than top down? Would
he ever play for less than ten million dollars or
fifteen million dollars? JASEU? Any chance, No, that's not that's
not him, okay, Sam? Any chance, no, moncy, any chance
you believed Lebron James had ever played Let's just say,
I don't even know what the mid level exception is
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at less than fifteen million dollars? No, okay, So it's
not an option. It's not an option. Right. This is
the guy going like, yeah, I could have thiken her out,
like she wouldn't have gone out with you? What are
we even dos? Whispers round the league starts like no,
there weren't. And again, I'm not telling you that that
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John Hollinger is full of it. I'm telling the people
that are calling John Holland and like, you know he
thought about it. Here's the conversation of it. Rich, Can
I go play in Dallas? Like yeah, but you had
to play for the mid level? Hell no? Can we
make it uncomfortable enough for the Lakers that they have
to trade us? We can try, right, we can try.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
There was a player who again I was just during
one of the breaks, I got a text from a
guy who's helped me with a player who's from Belgium.
I really liked him. I wanted to have him, but
they were asking for way too much money. He ended
up signing with another friend of mine, and I think
it'll be really good there for less than half the
money that he was asking for me. I can't sit
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here and go like, hey, he should be on my team.
I should have him. At the time, he was working
with a different agency and they were asking for like
two three x of what we wanted to pay him,
So it's not really an option. It doesn't mean I
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don't think it's true that he'd prefer to play. He
thinks that Kyrie and Anthony Davis that's much more his jam, right,
But it also proves what I've said time and again,
which is like, here's a dude who they hired a coach,
and do I think JJ is breting a coach? I do.
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But do we think for one second JJ would have
gotten the Lakers job had he not been doing a
podcast with Lebron James. No, we don't. So you hired
somebody that he respects, that he works with, that he likes.
That's kind of a contemporary. As the head coach, you
draft his son, you've done everything in your power to
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make him and his people feel comfortable, and then you
make a trade where everybody and I feel like I'm
the only voice for reason, Like I don't think it
was as pronounced slam dunk dominant trade for the Lakers
as as the world would leged you to believe. But
ninety nine percent of the people think the Lakers won
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that trade. Maybe even one hundred think the Lakers won
the trade. It's a question of how much did they
Did they win it by a point or do they
win it by twenty five? And yet Lebron James is like, yeah,
I mean he wants it out there. He'd rather play
for the Mavericks than play for the Lakers. That's what
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he's saying. He's saying, if all things were equal, he
would rather play for the Mavericks. They're not equal, so
he doesn't really want He's not willing to sacrifice to
play for the Mavericks, but he wants he'd rather play
for the Mavericks than play for the then play for
the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yet again, seems like every single story that comes out
of the Rich Paul Camp is we don't care about
your the Laker fans. I mean no, this is no
The only reason I'm playing in front of you for
the money. I would much rather be somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, yep. And as we've said on this show, which
is that they should have they should have jettison Lebron
James a couple of years ago, they didn't because one,
there was a value. They felt like there was value
in having him break the all time scoring mark in
their uniform. But two, they were just all in on Lebron. Hey,
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this is where he's gonna end his career. We're gonna
have his son here. Do whatever it takes to get
the most out of Lebron, and the repayment is Hey,
I Luca gets the ball more than me. He gets
to make decisions. I'd prefer to go do it somewhere else.
No thought of every Laker fan buying a Lebron jersey,
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swallowing their pride as Kobe guys to buy Lebron jersey.
Doesn't care, doesn't care, literally only staying in LA because
he has to because that's where he makes the most money.
So I also think this is one of those stories
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that is the It's kind of classic Rich Paul trying
to create this. He'd rather be somewhere else. Is there
a way in which we can get him traded. That's
a great question. I don't know the answer to that one.
I don't think the answer is yes, but it wouldn't
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be crazy this late in his career. Remember, he played
Jason Kidd was the assistant coach when they won a championship.
Anthony Davis is also wrapped by Lebron by Rich Paul,
and though he and Kyrie had a falling out, they
fell back in and there was talk of Kyrie coming
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to LA before he ultimately went to Dallas. I love
this post mortem story of a contract that was agreed
to two months ago. Hey, if it wasn't for forty
five million dollars or forty million dollars in difference for
a guy who's worth a billion dollars, he totally would
have come play for the Dallas Mavericks. I actually think
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it looks bad on a multiple on a bunch of fronts.
It looks bad towards his relationship with the Lakers, towards
his amount of respect for Laker fans and accepting him,
and it even looks bad upon Lebron. Don't tell me
you want to play for somebody. Don't tell me you
want to play for championships, and then you're not willing
to sacrifice forty million dollars when you're worth thirty forty
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X that that doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 1 (21:57):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio. So reputations are
really really hard to shed, right, really hard to shed.
And the Bengals have a reputation of being cheap. Now,
the Bengals, you go back to when Carson Palmer was
their quarterback. Remember Carson before he got rolled up on
by Chemo Van Ohoffen signed the biggest contract in the
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history of the sport. Now Carson retired and then came back,
not because of how much the Bengals were going to
pay him, more so for all the other stuff they
were accused of being cheap with. You know, Guyston State,
a hotel near the stadium night before a game, old towels,
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no indoor, just the way in which they handled it,
and the Bengals gets twenty years ago. Bengals have been
digging out from that ever since. Now they got Burrow Chase,
and they put together a heck of an offensive lineup.
But you drafted defensive back in the first round who
to this point has not showed up in Shamar Stewart
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and the guy who's led you in sacks the past
two years. Post a video of him leaving the state
of Ohio as he's holding out for a bigger contract.
Here's Mike Brown, the owner of the Bengals, talking about
Shamar Stewart's hold up.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
If we get a player who gets involved in something
like that or does something that is just unacceptable, guess what.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't want to pay him.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I really don't. If he's sitting in jail, I don't
think I ought to be paying him. And so we
say that if he got involved in conduct detrimental, we'd
have the right to terminate the guaranteed part for the
back years. As agent says, oh no, you can terminate
the guaranteed part only for the remaining part of the
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year in which the event occurs. Oddly, something like this
has never occurred with us. I don't think it's going
to occur. So we're sitting here arguing over something that
I think is pretty remote, and I ask myself sometimes
why the hell we're doing it. But we are, and
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he's doing it too, And at some point we got
to put this stuff behind and just get him up
here and get him so he can be a contributor.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, at some point, I truly
believe this. And this relates to the Micah Parsons thing.
It relates to all this talk about fully guaranteed contracts.
Like so much of this stuff is agent driven, agent driven,
and what happens is you won't have You're not gonna
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have owners or gms or coaches talk negatively about agents
because they fear the repercussions of agents going like, now
you're never gonna get my guy. We have the same
thing in college basketball, right we're dealing with agents and
if I were to, if I were to out agents
and something I disagree with what they're doing, there's a
sense of, well, man, now I'm never going to get
a guy from an agent, just not so he won't
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say it. I will. What Mike Brown's talking about is
this all sufs ridiculous, Like we're not just going to
sign a guy to a contract and no matter what
he gets paid, nobody does it. We're not doing it.
If the guy wants to play football, we'll see him Monday.
It's no different than these the idea of having fully
guaranteed contracts, and of all teams would absolutely do fully
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guaranteed contracts for like two years, maybe three. They tack
on the extra years a little bit to protect themselves,
but mostly for the agents. They can go like, hey,
look he signed for two hundred and fifty million dollars like, yeah,
it's like one hundred and twenty for three. No, no,
it's two fifty. That only helps the agent and the
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agency go. The agent doesn't get paid more on it.
They only get paid their percentage based upon what the
player actually brings in, So that ain't it. Does it
help the team a little bit because you can do
some creative math and hide some money from the salary cap,
but eventually you're gonna have to pay that too. But
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make no mistake about it. Hendrickson again, I'm sure he
wants too much for too long, but he's not going
anywhere because they own his rights. Even when his contracts up,
they can franchise tag him. He's not going anywhere. And
Shamar Stewart, you know, when you're a first round pick,
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you got to start that clock in order to get
to being to be having your second contract. And he
can't start that clock if you're doing if you're working
out a text, A and M, and he has no leverage.
You know, it's floated out there that he go back
to the draft, and then they found out, actually he
can't go back to the draft. Stuck Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, Jayceu, there were rumors that you
(27:05):
took yesterday off because you just you couldn't handle what's
happening with the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, that's not me. That's not me. I'm not that
kind of fan. I take it personally, but I don't
do that. I face the music, you know, I come in,
I take all the all the bullets. So what do
you got for me? What's uh? What do you hate
most about the Dodgers?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I don't hate about the Dodgers. I was just saying
they you know, the Brewers swept them, not once, but twice.
I just want to know if you're you're doing okay.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think with Brewers are a better team at this
point than the Dodgers. They're the best team in baseball,
the best.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Right They're on fire. They're they're on fire right now.
I mean, they're just like this is one of those
I don't know if you say peak too soon, but
they are peaking.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Maybe uh maybe next week. Wazy talk show producers and
hosts couldn't do the segment. Are the Brewers bad for baseball?
Have the Brewers ruined base That's John Middlecoff, let me run.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And get that. Okay, are the Brewers bad for Are
the Brewers bad for baseball? We'll do that next on
first take. That's baseball. I'm just rolling, rolling, I will be.
I'm gonna I have like two weeks in between, but
taking next Wednesday off to do day game at American
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Financial Field Cubs Brewers so and really, honestly, the real
reason I'm going American Financial Field is that what it
is our American family? What is the name? What is
the insurance company? I'm totally butchering it. I met the CEO.
Now I feel like an idiot, but that's okay. They
had the best popcorn in Major League Baseball American favorate field.
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That's I thought, American fanfield so unbelievable. Popcorn unbelievable. John
Middlecoff joins us uh three now is The podcast also
has the Going Low podcast. I said this yesterday and
regards to Scottie Scheffler winning the Open Championship, the unsuperstar
superstar is one of those things that is relatable, but
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it doesn't really help the sport at all, Like it's
just at all, Like aug shucks, it's just golf. It
doesn't change who I am. I'm just a guy again. Great,
but doesn't sell the sport the way that support needs
to be sold.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Yeah, I would say it's not apples apples, But I
think he's kind of got like Jokic. You know anyone
and you know you're a basketball guy through infer you
watch and you're like, there's one of the greatest players
I've ever seen. But it's like, yeah, I don't really
care to do any media, any marketing. I just I'm
out once the season end. While I'm on the court,
I'll give you everything I have and I'll mostly if
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my team's good enough to dominate. Obviously, Scotty controls. Bulk
is an individual sports. But everything else Nope, I mean
part of obviously Tiger you know, I mean in your lifetime, Doug,
I mean it will just say all the time, outlier
of just anything. I mean, he's one of the he's
one of the most powerful marketing machines. Where I would
say of the last seventy five years in that sport especially,
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there's two guys Arnold Palmer and Tiger Woods and even
a little bit Greg Norman, the Sharks that transcend the sport.
I mean that's what Michael Jordan did, That's what Tom
Brady and Faydon Manning do. That's just not what this
guy does. He's probably, you know, I'm not old enough
to remember, like in the peak, like a Tom Watson type.
But there's kind of a boring aspect to him. And
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he tells you like, don't expect anything else. I think
even speak. I mean, all these guys. Now, part of
it is some of these guys are calling off the
cliff so they make so much money off the course.
He's like, yeah, we do all this stuff on the Mondays,
and anyone that can go to YouTube you can watch
Tiger put on those clinics on Mondays because that's where
he was making all this money. The reason Tiger is
a billionaire is not because of one hundred million dollars
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he won on the course. It was all this stuff
off the course. And now you know, you could argue
Scotty because the money is so outrageous. I mean, I
think he's made one hundred million dollars like the last
eighteen months, so it's like he'd argue, I don't even
need to do that stuff, which I don't want to
do anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But I agree with you, but but the sport needs
him to do it, yeah, or.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
They need you know, really Rory, you know, I would
say Bryson are more in that length. Got what's face
is just he's just not really gonna be if he
hadn't gotten arrested. I mean, we think he's boring now.
I mean that I added at least some you know,
some name recognition to the casual fans.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's funny if you hadn't gotten arrested, that's it's very funny.
And he got arrested for literally like nothing, but regardless,
it's it's just amazing. Uh jumb Minkoffs our guest here,
Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio, what do you think
happens with the Bengals? And I bring it up. We
were talking about Shamar Stewart, like he didn't have the
(31:52):
option to go back to college. It's got to go there.
It very much feels agent driven, right, like you're trying
to change this language and contract and Mike Brown's just like,
I'm not changing the language in the contract. How long
are we going to how long are we gonna do
this dance?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Yeah, it's kind of confusing. I mean I was reading
about it last night, it feels like other teams are
doing the same thing that Mike Brown wants to do
around that range. And he's like, I listened, We're talking
about if this guy goes to prison. Well, this isn't
that complicated here. I think these situations, I think there
are some parallels. Not you know, I'm not paralleling Michael
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Parsons to the guys in Cincinnati, but both owners in
Cincinnati and in Dallas are essentially the GMS, and you
know they are. You know, Mike Brown usually doesn't talk
as much, but he starts talking. It becomes kind of
a chaotic situation. All these gms now and most of
these owners, most owners never say a peep, never say anything,
(32:53):
and they just go, hey deal. I'll give Jimmy has
them some credit. Remember when Miles Garrett went to the
Super Bowl and was like, I want to trade, and
then Rich Paul was like, we want a meeting, and
Jimmy Hasen was like, talk to the GM. That's his job.
That was it, you know. And I just think that
sometimes these agents, know what would the agents say yesterday
about Dick Tobin and Stuart's situation. He's I got the
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above his pay grade. He's not running point on this
like geez, once he's become public, which doesn't happen as
much anymore, right, because social media becomes so magnified, you
just want to avoid this at all costs. Like negotiations
are hard as they are, but like TJ. Watt, I
would imagine that wasn't an easy negotiation behind the scenes,
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but it was behind the scenes. And I think these
situations become so public and becomes so toxic that I
don't know, I don't know how you put the genie
back in the bottle once everyone's just so angry and
it clearly like it's not like this is dro Rosenhouse
for Tom Condon. You know, I don't know how well
this guy is first in the NFL landscape as an agent.
So it feels like it's getting worse before it's going
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to get better.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, you mentioned Jerry Jones.
I do think the one thing that's interesting that we
never bring up is it's like, be critical of Jerry
Jones for not, you know, signing Micah Parsons, although he
didn't even call him by the rate and right name
right Michael Parson. So showing his age. But we don't
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factor in the very strong likelihood that Parsons is asking
for a ridiculous contract, and we're only critical of Jerry
for not signing him to a contract which is very
likely to be a ridiculous contract.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Yeah, to me, my criticism would be just based on
the way other successful teams do business. Obviously, Jerry is
an outlier given he talks, I mean once the season starts,
multiple times a week, the radio show, and then after
games win or lose. You know, he like all these
situations are difficult. I mean, I've seen it with the
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forty nine ers held a couple years ago, Nick bo
that came down to like the last week before the
season because he was asking for such a lot of
money and they were having tough negotiations. But it's a
pretty standard practice. If you hear a coach or a
GM asked about the negotiations, they go, yeah, we're just
going to keep that between the agents and the player.
And I think when Jerry, who just does what Jerry does,
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just creates like what he said. You know, I'm newly
married guy, and you learn pretty fast, like everything you
think you don't need to say right something like what
Jerry said wasn't wrong. Micha Parson's miss games bast miss games.
We all know that, right, but he just it kind
of strokes the fire here goes thing. And you know
this in recruiting, like most guys, I think the average
(35:41):
age for a guy getting their first contract right past
you know, they've pass the rookie deal. So of getting
an extension, I would say is like average is twenty
four or twenty five years old. So you are dealing
with young men that are highly emotional, and the agent
obviously has his tentacles in him. So these situations Jerry
just makes him worse, and he obviously makes them really public.
(36:04):
It becomes like a you know, like an NBA headline,
But it wouldn't exist if Jerry didn't talk, which obviously
is not gonna happen because it feels like his favorite
thing to do is tell you about everything that's going on.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Granted says prerogative is a team, but I would imagine whenever,
and I'm not rooting for Garry to go anywhere, but
whenever Steven's in control and the point guy, the Cowboys
probably quiet down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, did
you know Philip Rivers wasn't retired?
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I said that yesterday when I saw the headline, I
assumed he retired, like back when like Peyton Manning did that.
He's been gone forever.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
We were talking about this before the show. I mean,
I think he's all a famer, but more than anything, like,
I just I don't feel cheated by the Philip Rivers
experience as a Charger fan, right Like, never got to
the Super Bowl. Heck, I don't think they got to
the AFC Championship game, but I never.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Felt towards Al against the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Oh that's right. And he played with the torn ACL
and n LT didn't play and he had a minor neathing.
Yeah yeah, I mean that's like the ultimate stuff, right Like,
played in an AFC Championship game with the torn ACL.
Now he was he was never a good athlete, so
I'm not sure it really hurt him, but it did.
Could not have felt felt good having had a torn
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a cl and then tried to go for a walk
with my dogs and stepped in a hole. It was
the greatest pain I ever felt in my life. So yeah,
I do, I actually do feel that, but I never felt,
never felt cheated by the by the by the by
the Philip Rivers experience.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well part of it.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
It was like a golfer. At any moment he could
hit it out of bounds. I mean threw some picks,
but he could also have games that would just like
this guy is such a badass. You know. He didn't
have a great arm, which I think led to some picks,
especially the little laden games when he was pressing. Uh.
I would say, it's kind of like the poor man's
Peyton Manning. But in terms of respect and like hall
of fame. To me, my standards are a little higher,
(38:02):
I think than most you tell me. He gets in
one day wouldn't be surprised to me, probably in the
haul of really good. I've always thought, though, Doug, that
you know, seeing some of these guys like Drew Bury
is a good example, awesome guy. If he was your
quarterback and you're stoked, right, he'd probably be an awesome
GM or an offensive coordinator. I just don't think he's
great on TV. I think, Philip Rivers, if you put
(38:23):
him in like the CBS, like just a crew, he
would be a star. You know, his passion, his energy.
Oh yeah, I think he would be so good and
he would kind of like what Romo did for his career,
but it even be different. I just think he's a
little more likable. I don't know, I think he'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You and I, you and I both. I mean he
used to we go down there for Chargers camp every year,
and you get done talking, You're like, I think he
might invite me for dinner tonight. You know, he just
has that warmth and that ability to make it.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
I feel like I think he could be John Madden
as a player, you know, kind of that kind of personality.
Just I think he would have been a superstar on TV,
which he made so much money. He's got fifty kids.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I don't know if well.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think he said he wants he loves ball, like
his dad was a coach, and he wants to coach.
So he's like coaching high school ball.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
And I think it's kid good, right, I mean I
think it's like fifteen year old or sixteen year old.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
One of them has one of them has to be good.
Just the numbers tell you that one of them has
to be good, right exactly. I mean they're probably not
all good, there's got to be one that's like, now,
now he's shaving his tongue with the razor right, like multiplicity. Uh,
but I don't.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
We're gonna we're gonna really old. We're gonna feel really
old with it. You know. It's one thing Cooper's son
is good, but like, yeah, when Philip Rivers or Matt
Stafford has a kid that's like draft eligible, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Be like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, well Philip Rivers could have like an entire offense
be all his kids. That might be Yeah, I'll be fascinating, right,
jumpin a cuff. The Three and Out is the podcast.
Check it out on the Volume podcast Network. John, thanks
so much for joining us do Stug Gottlieb show here
on Fox Sports Radio. You know, the only thing about
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and I probably could ask John about this one, but
the only thing about this crew. I think Sam is
the one guy who we connect on this is like,
this is the hardest week and a half. But once
you get to August, you're starting to get excited about
college football.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Definitely.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
And we have acc Media Days, big ten Media Days
coverage on right now, so we're ramping up, we're gearing
up here, and it is almost when we're in the
second half of July here, the month is gonna be
over before we know it. And just seeing these these
coaches and players representing their teams at these media days,
you're like, yep, college football ride.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Are on the one is so weird though, right, Like, okay,
so now we have a playoff, but the leagues are
very different. Some you don't play teams you used to playing.
You do play teams you're not used to playing all
the most of the teams are brand new. You know,
you get like fifth team padded practice. Then you're playing
a game.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now you can survive an early season loss, whereas previously
you couldn't remember they have week zero in week one
and all that other stuff. Like I don't even know
which week is week zero. I think is August thirtieth,
week zero? No idea, but man, I I start when
once I see an eight at the start of a month. Immediately,
(41:25):
all I can think of is, well, college football, college football,
August twenty third is when it kicks off. Yeah, August
twenty You've got some state in k State in Ireland
conference game.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, Ireland College fork Airlin is college fool Classic but
it will it'll count as a conference game.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
So they don't get a little appetizer.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Nothing really that stay.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
She doesn't get excited for it the way we do.
We're like geeking out about it.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Kansas, that's not bad. The rest of a Stanford, Hawaii,
it's okay. It's a little appetizer.
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We're at your service. Good to have my boy Jay
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I'm sure it's excited about Chris Paul two point zero
in Clipperland and of course, uh the always steady Iowa
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Sam on the ones and twos as he gets ready
for the second half of the w NBA season, which
he just geeks out for. Let's just call it like
it is. He's excited. Here you go. He's he's excited,
excited and excitable. I think we had a pretty good show.
I think it's gonna be a good day. I hope
you're having a great summer. Sad news Ozzy Osbourne dies
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at the age of seventy six. When I say sad,
it's anybody who dies, it's sad. But as I think
Jay stew you said, or was it you? Sam? Like
a bit of an upset. Ozzy Osbourne made it seventy
six years right? Who was it? Which? Which one of
you two said that?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, that's definitely my humor, and it is an upset,
Like I remember when we were watching The Osbourne's thinking,
this guy's only got a couple more months to whip. Yes,
like twenty six years.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yes, there was a certain there was a point there
where you felt like there was a weekend at Berney's
taking place right where you're like, gee, they just propping
him up for this show. But Ozzy Osbourne and I
thought the point, you know, without trying to make it,
because I think you left it so that I could
make it, that you make it. The Osbourne's was a
(02:01):
bit of a breakthrough show, right. It paved the way
for the Kardashians. I don't know if the Keeping Up
with the Kardashians happens or is as is as successful
without the Osborns. Maybe that's for your next pod Jays too,
for your next Bachelor lifestyle pod. Good idea, Yeah, because
(02:22):
without the Bachelor and without the Bachelor in Paradise, Love
Island has no chance of being as big as it's been. Again,
more ideas for your podcast. That's what I do here.
Don't have ideas for my show for your podcast. I
thought Colin had some some really interesting things to say
earlier today in regards to Jerry Jones and talking about
(02:47):
when you try and do try and be great at
a bunch of things, you end up being average at
all of them. And he was of course specifically responding
to Jerry Jones when he was asked if he thought
he'd ever bring in another guy to be the actual
gentleman manager. Here was his response yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Just because we signed him doesn't mean we're going to
have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously,
we've signed.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
A stepping away as general manager. Ever been even a
momentary consideration for the years?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yes, momentary, a lot of moments. Now we're getting down
to it, small fractions of seconds.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
As you know, you see it.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
I'm in senior bowls. Combines all of that, all of
that Mels in two, a real good feeling about where
we are so that I'm not sitting up there throwing
darts about a player.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
So there's a couple of different parts to it. And
I'm gonna give you a basketball analogy. You tell me
if it makes sense. Jase too, Sam, So there are
coaches in college basketball who other people substitute for. Like
I know of a really really good coach and he doesn't.
He doesn't do the subs And I just to me,
(04:24):
that's well, that's like in pregnance, having somebody else impregnant
your wife when you're fully capable of doing it, right.
That's that's my thought about it, especially when the former
the coach is a former player and a really good one, right,
because what you're supposed to bring to the table is
(04:45):
not the relatability, but also, hey, you've been a player,
so you use that player's intuition. He's been a coach
for a long time. He's a really good coach. But again,
it's just interesting allowing other people to do things. Now,
when you hear how Jerry Jones explains it, I think
he tells you the truth without you without most people
(05:05):
hearing it. The last part when he's like you see
me the Senior Bowl, you see me here, you see
me there, So we're not just kind of going blind.
The point is in the NFL, you draft, you let
your scouts do their job. You have all kinds of layers,
and you're at the top as the general manager and
the owner of like a of the pyramid. And the
(05:26):
point I made about the subbing and the letting somebody
else impregnant your wife is you know, we can all
tell Jerry Jones what he should do from our perspective
as outsiders. The reality is, if you own the most
valuable team in professional sports and you want to be
the genlem manager, you can be the gentleman manager. If
you want to be the quarterback, you give me the quarterback.
(05:47):
If you want to be the coach, you can be
the coach. Like that's your money, You're allowed to do it.
That's where the expression owners own, Because owners owns. At
the end of the day, they want to do something,
they just damn well do it. No problem, problem solved.
But I I also think we have a misconception or
misperception of what actually takes place, is that he's not
(06:13):
making all these picks on his own. But what he
can do is they can say, hey, I like this guy.
I saw it the Senor Bowl. I like that guy.
Let's take that guy. It's not to say that what
the Cowboys are doing is perfect or right. And I
do think there's a certain amount of what Colin's saying
which is dead to nuts accurate, because it's not just
(06:38):
the GMing and the marketing, and it's they haven't done
a good job of hiring the right coaches. They become
beholden to players who they should let go. The drafting
at times has been really good. At times it hasn't.
Sometimes they've signed somebody willie nilly out a free agency
that didn't make sense. It's all those things come up
(07:00):
are just coming up short, and so the team constantly
just comes up short. But all of our opinions don't
matter because we didn't pay the money. We didn't raise
the money, pay the money own the Cowboys. We weren't
owning the Cowboys when they want to call three Super Bowls.
So Jerry's allowed to do what he's allowed to do.
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If he wants to let somebody else impregnant his wife, fine,
if he wants to do it, fine. In this particular case,
he's like, I could hire somebody else, but I know
what I want and I let my scouts do their job.
And the last part is if we're being honest, for
the most part, the Cowboys has done a really good
job of their overall talent level. Granted, the Eagles have
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found a way to sort of put themselves ahead of
everybody else, but up until last year, there hasn't been
anybody who's like, you know, the Cowboys just don't have
that much talent. Hasn't been the case. That hasn't what
been what has kept the Cowboys from performing in the playoffs.
I don't think Dak's that good, and I think they're
(08:06):
in that little bit quarterback purgatory. I do think there
are some other decisions they have made in terms of
re signing players. Ezekiel Elliott that wasn't a good contract
and it screwed a bunch of other things up. So
I'm not saying he's perfect, But the idea that you
bring in a different GM, he didn't have to. If
you own the team, you want to be the GM.
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And he'd done a good enough job, and they've done
a good enough job for the last fifteen years. He
doesn't have to. Now, Yes, if you do too much,
something will fall short. And I think it's in the
coaching hires they make, and in the decision at quarterback.
(08:48):
They got stuck there. They had Romo, he had his
flaws in the playoffs, but then he was coming back.
They stuck with Dak. Dak's been their guy, and you
do fee letting that guy walk out the door because
finding the next quarterback is so so difficult if you
don't have one, as opposed, it feels a little easier
(09:10):
when you do have one. All Right, we get back
on the Cowboys in a second. But I you know,
I look at I look at Jerry, and I'm not
defending him, but everybody talks about him giving up GM
duties and talent on that football team has not been
the problem. Coaching quarterback play, some aging out of some guys,
(09:35):
and yeah, if being the GM, in terms of how
you re sign guys, how you structure the contracts, what
it all looks like. That is on Jerry. That is
his issue. But that doesn't mean you can't hire somebody
to help you with those issues while still maintaining the
kind of overarching theme of being the general manager.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
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Speaker 1 (10:00):
What upout you Dog? Gottleep Show, Fox Sports Radio. It's
a Tuesday. We don't have any kind of alliteration with
a Tuesday? Do either? I mean taco Tuesday? Right? Should
we do? Take Tuesday? I mean just because I know
how much you hate but like making fun of alliteration
and just be thinking of one. Have one in your
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
I just thought of one. How about Moncey's Meanderings?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Moncy, What am I doing here?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
It's it's a new segment of our show called Moncey's Meanderings.
Meander So think about that. What is MEANDERINGE.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Malingering is like have you ever been shopping and you
have no purpose and you go aisle the isle of
the isle and you're like, oh that looks good. Oh
this looks good and just keep going.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Yeah, I do that all the time, wandering Okay, all
the time you have if she's ever been shopping?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
That's like is that it's not even rhetorical question it
all day?
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, except except it would sound exceptionally chauvenus to go like, Mancy,
you're a woman, you go shopping all the time?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Right, ladies, be shopping, I be shopping all day.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
I do.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I actually really enjoy grocery shopping. Uh, not a poorly
kept secret that that's one of my favorite pastimes. But right,
so the idea, I'm actually a little bit more focused,
like I know what I want and I have it,
Like I have the whole strategy of what I get
when I get it, and I go, i'll aisle, I'll
skip the aisle, I'll i'll you know. I do the
(11:59):
same thing with with when I go to a gas station. Obviously,
my main vehicle at home is electric, so I don't
have to do that when I don't like I actually,
does anybody else do this where I try and act
like at the pit stop and see how fast I
can fill up the tank?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yes, hmm.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I always like if I have a rental car like
one of my kids with me, like time me, Like
what time me? See how fast I can do this?
Like why is that important? Like I don't know because
it is anyway Moncey's meanderings And I'm just again just
flushing out here. We should do this off outside of
the show. But that's okay, It's better this way, is
(12:35):
jayse Dude, tell me what you're thinking. Like she just
goes to all of her different thoughts and they can
be movies, they can be music, they can be basketball, football, soccer, wrestling,
anything you want. Yeah, we just kind of put it
all together. It's Monzi's meanderings.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
It's you know, meandering is basically just taking a winding
course to things, so you just don't get right to
the point and you just it's basically what Iowa Sam
does on the air every day on Falk Corse Radio.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
I get to the point eventually, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
But his name doesn't start with an M, so it
would be Monsey's me hundreds by Sam.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
You're in Wisconsin, Doug, a lot of meandering creeks and
rivers and streams. That's kind of I think of the
word meandering. I think of like rivers meandering around Ben's
and Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think of meandering as when you're at a party
and you don't really know anybody at the party, and
you just kind of walk around and you do you
do the lap around the room, and you're like, you're
trying to not make eye contact with anybody because you
get pulled into a conversation. You don't know who that
person is, and you want to go like, hey man,
(13:37):
now are you dude? So you're just kind of meandering
and weave ye, get your beverage, sort of meander back,
standoff as oh I know somebody. Now I'm going in
and I'm having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, it's just you know, doing something in a rudderless way, you.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Know, rudderless way. It's really good. I like that. So
I saw this story and I wanted to discuss with
you guys. Lebron James picked up his player option to
remain with the Lakers, but it represents a calculated decision
that did not come without considering a move elsewhere, according
to John Hollinger of The Athletic. In fact, there were
whispers in the league circles about Lebron James having an
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eye for Dallas reports, but the four time NBA champion
was not willing to pass on a fifty two point
six million dollar contract with the Lakers for a non
taxpayer mid level exceptions sign in Dallas, James would have
reunited with Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis, also having an
opportunity to play alongside number one overall pick Cooper Flag.
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James express belief that Flag will be amazing with the Mavericks.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
So, uh.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, let's dive in here. I call bull crap, right,
I mean, look, we do this in college basketball. It's like, oh,
I could have had this guy, could have had that guy,
and not taking this guy. It was never an option
if you weren't if you were going to opt in. Ever, well,
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Lebron James ever played for less than top down? Would
he ever play for less than ten million dollars or
fifteen million dollars? JASEU? Any chance, No, that's not that's
not him, okay, Sam? Any chance, no, moncy, any chance
you believed Lebron James had ever played Let's just say,
I don't even know what the mid level exception is
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at less than fifteen million dollars? No, okay, So it's
not an option. It's not an option. Right. This is
the guy going like, yeah, I could have thiken her out,
like she wouldn't have gone out with you? What are
we even dos? Whispers round the league starts like no,
there weren't. And again, I'm not telling you that that
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John Hollinger is full of it. I'm telling the people
that are calling John Holland and like, you know he
thought about it. Here's the conversation of it. Rich, Can
I go play in Dallas? Like yeah, but you had
to play for the mid level? Hell no? Can we
make it uncomfortable enough for the Lakers that they have
to trade us? We can try, right, we can try.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
There was a player who again I was just during
one of the breaks, I got a text from a
guy who's helped me with a player who's from Belgium.
I really liked him. I wanted to have him, but
they were asking for way too much money. He ended
up signing with another friend of mine, and I think
it'll be really good there for less than half the
money that he was asking for me. I can't sit
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here and go like, hey, he should be on my team.
I should have him. At the time, he was working
with a different agency and they were asking for like
two three x of what we wanted to pay him,
So it's not really an option. It doesn't mean I
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don't think it's true that he'd prefer to play. He
thinks that Kyrie and Anthony Davis that's much more his jam, right,
But it also proves what I've said time and again,
which is like, here's a dude who they hired a coach,
and do I think JJ is breting a coach? I do.
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But do we think for one second JJ would have
gotten the Lakers job had he not been doing a
podcast with Lebron James. No, we don't. So you hired
somebody that he respects, that he works with, that he likes.
That's kind of a contemporary. As the head coach, you
draft his son, you've done everything in your power to
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make him and his people feel comfortable, and then you
make a trade where everybody and I feel like I'm
the only voice for reason, Like I don't think it
was as pronounced slam dunk dominant trade for the Lakers
as as the world would leged you to believe. But
ninety nine percent of the people think the Lakers won
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that trade. Maybe even one hundred think the Lakers won
the trade. It's a question of how much did they
Did they win it by a point or do they
win it by twenty five? And yet Lebron James is like, yeah,
I mean he wants it out there. He'd rather play
for the Mavericks than play for the Lakers. That's what
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he's saying. He's saying, if all things were equal, he
would rather play for the Mavericks. They're not equal, so
he doesn't really want He's not willing to sacrifice to
play for the Mavericks, but he wants he'd rather play
for the Mavericks than play for the then play for
the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yet again, seems like every single story that comes out
of the Rich Paul Camp is we don't care about
your the Laker fans. I mean no, this is no
The only reason I'm playing in front of you for
the money. I would much rather be somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, yep. And as we've said on this show, which
is that they should have they should have jettison Lebron
James a couple of years ago, they didn't because one,
there was a value. They felt like there was value
in having him break the all time scoring mark in
their uniform. But two, they were just all in on Lebron. Hey,
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this is where he's gonna end his career. We're gonna
have his son here. Do whatever it takes to get
the most out of Lebron, and the repayment is Hey,
I Luca gets the ball more than me. He gets
to make decisions. I'd prefer to go do it somewhere else.
No thought of every Laker fan buying a Lebron jersey,
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swallowing their pride as Kobe guys to buy Lebron jersey.
Doesn't care, doesn't care, literally only staying in LA because
he has to because that's where he makes the most money.
So I also think this is one of those stories
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that is the It's kind of classic Rich Paul trying
to create this. He'd rather be somewhere else. Is there
a way in which we can get him traded. That's
a great question. I don't know the answer to that one.
I don't think the answer is yes, but it wouldn't
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be crazy this late in his career. Remember, he played
Jason Kidd was the assistant coach when they won a championship.
Anthony Davis is also wrapped by Lebron by Rich Paul,
and though he and Kyrie had a falling out, they
fell back in and there was talk of Kyrie coming
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to LA before he ultimately went to Dallas. I love
this post mortem story of a contract that was agreed
to two months ago. Hey, if it wasn't for forty
five million dollars or forty million dollars in difference for
a guy who's worth a billion dollars, he totally would
have come play for the Dallas Mavericks. I actually think
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it looks bad on a multiple on a bunch of fronts.
It looks bad towards his relationship with the Lakers, towards
his amount of respect for Laker fans and accepting him,
and it even looks bad upon Lebron. Don't tell me
you want to play for somebody. Don't tell me you
want to play for championships, and then you're not willing
to sacrifice forty million dollars when you're worth thirty forty
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X that that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
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Speaker 1 (21:57):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show. Fox Sports Radio. So reputations are
really really hard to shed, right, really hard to shed.
And the Bengals have a reputation of being cheap. Now,
the Bengals, you go back to when Carson Palmer was
their quarterback. Remember Carson before he got rolled up on
by Chemo Van Ohoffen signed the biggest contract in the
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history of the sport. Now Carson retired and then came back,
not because of how much the Bengals were going to
pay him, more so for all the other stuff they
were accused of being cheap with. You know, Guyston State,
a hotel near the stadium night before a game, old towels,
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no indoor, just the way in which they handled it,
and the Bengals gets twenty years ago. Bengals have been
digging out from that ever since. Now they got Burrow Chase,
and they put together a heck of an offensive lineup.
But you drafted defensive back in the first round who
to this point has not showed up in Shamar Stewart
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and the guy who's led you in sacks the past
two years. Post a video of him leaving the state
of Ohio as he's holding out for a bigger contract.
Here's Mike Brown, the owner of the Bengals, talking about
Shamar Stewart's hold up.
Speaker 7 (23:19):
If we get a player who gets involved in something
like that or does something that is just unacceptable, guess what.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I don't want to pay him.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
I really don't. If he's sitting in jail, I don't
think I ought to be paying him. And so we
say that if he got involved in conduct detrimental, we'd
have the right to terminate the guaranteed part for the
back years. As agent says, oh no, you can terminate
the guaranteed part only for the remaining part of the
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year in which the event occurs. Oddly, something like this
has never occurred with us. I don't think it's going
to occur. So we're sitting here arguing over something that
I think is pretty remote, and I ask myself sometimes
why the hell we're doing it. But we are, and
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he's doing it too, And at some point we got
to put this stuff behind and just get him up
here and get him so he can be a contributor.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, I mean, like, look, at some point, I truly
believe this. And this relates to the Micah Parsons thing.
It relates to all this talk about fully guaranteed contracts.
Like so much of this stuff is agent driven, agent driven,
and what happens is you won't have You're not gonna
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have owners or gms or coaches talk negatively about agents
because they fear the repercussions of agents going like, now
you're never gonna get my guy. We have the same
thing in college basketball, right we're dealing with agents and
if I were to, if I were to out agents
and something I disagree with what they're doing, there's a
sense of, well, man, now I'm never going to get
a guy from an agent, just not so he won't
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say it. I will. What Mike Brown's talking about is
this all sufs ridiculous, Like we're not just going to
sign a guy to a contract and no matter what
he gets paid, nobody does it. We're not doing it.
If the guy wants to play football, we'll see him Monday.
It's no different than these the idea of having fully
guaranteed contracts, and of all teams would absolutely do fully
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guaranteed contracts for like two years, maybe three. They tack
on the extra years a little bit to protect themselves,
but mostly for the agents. They can go like, hey,
look he signed for two hundred and fifty million dollars like, yeah,
it's like one hundred and twenty for three. No, no,
it's two fifty. That only helps the agent and the
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agency go. The agent doesn't get paid more on it.
They only get paid their percentage based upon what the
player actually brings in, So that ain't it. Does it
help the team a little bit because you can do
some creative math and hide some money from the salary cap,
but eventually you're gonna have to pay that too. But
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make no mistake about it. Hendrickson again, I'm sure he
wants too much for too long, but he's not going
anywhere because they own his rights. Even when his contracts up,
they can franchise tag him. He's not going anywhere. And
Shamar Stewart, you know, when you're a first round pick,
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you got to start that clock in order to get
to being to be having your second contract. And he
can't start that clock if you're doing if you're working
out a text, A and M, and he has no leverage.
You know, it's floated out there that he go back
to the draft, and then they found out, actually he
can't go back to the draft. Stuck Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio, Jayceu, there were rumors that you
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took yesterday off because you just you couldn't handle what's
happening with the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
No, that's not me. That's not me. I'm not that
kind of fan. I take it personally, but I don't
do that. I face the music, you know, I come in,
I take all the all the bullets. So what do
you got for me? What's uh? What do you hate
most about the Dodgers?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I don't hate about the Dodgers. I was just saying
they you know, the Brewers swept them, not once, but twice.
I just want to know if you're you're doing okay.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I think with Brewers are a better team at this
point than the Dodgers. They're the best team in baseball,
the best.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Right They're on fire. They're they're on fire right now.
I mean, they're just like this is one of those
I don't know if you say peak too soon, but
they are peaking.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Maybe uh maybe next week. Wazy talk show producers and
hosts couldn't do the segment. Are the Brewers bad for baseball?
Have the Brewers ruined base That's John Middlecoff, let me run.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And get that. Okay, are the Brewers bad for Are
the Brewers bad for baseball? We'll do that next on
first take. That's baseball. I'm just rolling, rolling, I will be.
I'm gonna I have like two weeks in between, but
taking next Wednesday off to do day game at American
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Financial Field Cubs Brewers so and really, honestly, the real
reason I'm going American Financial Field is that what it
is our American family? What is the name? What is
the insurance company? I'm totally butchering it. I met the CEO.
Now I feel like an idiot, but that's okay. They
had the best popcorn in Major League Baseball American favorate field.
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That's I thought, American fanfield so unbelievable. Popcorn unbelievable. John
Middlecoff joins us uh three now is The podcast also
has the Going Low podcast. I said this yesterday and
regards to Scottie Scheffler winning the Open Championship, the unsuperstar
superstar is one of those things that is relatable, but
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it doesn't really help the sport at all, Like it's
just at all, Like aug shucks, it's just golf. It
doesn't change who I am. I'm just a guy again. Great,
but doesn't sell the sport the way that support needs
to be sold.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Yeah, I would say it's not apples apples, But I
think he's kind of got like Jokic. You know anyone
and you know you're a basketball guy through infer you
watch and you're like, there's one of the greatest players
I've ever seen. But it's like, yeah, I don't really
care to do any media, any marketing. I just I'm
out once the season end. While I'm on the court,
I'll give you everything I have and I'll mostly if
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my team's good enough to dominate. Obviously, Scotty controls. Bulk
is an individual sports. But everything else Nope, I mean
part of obviously Tiger you know, I mean in your lifetime, Doug,
I mean it will just say all the time, outlier
of just anything. I mean, he's one of the he's
one of the most powerful marketing machines. Where I would
say of the last seventy five years in that sport especially,
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there's two guys Arnold Palmer and Tiger Woods and even
a little bit Greg Norman, the Sharks that transcend the sport.
I mean that's what Michael Jordan did, That's what Tom
Brady and Faydon Manning do. That's just not what this
guy does. He's probably, you know, I'm not old enough
to remember, like in the peak, like a Tom Watson type.
But there's kind of a boring aspect to him. And
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he tells you like, don't expect anything else. I think
even speak. I mean, all these guys. Now, part of
it is some of these guys are calling off the
cliff so they make so much money off the course.
He's like, yeah, we do all this stuff on the Mondays,
and anyone that can go to YouTube you can watch
Tiger put on those clinics on Mondays because that's where
he was making all this money. The reason Tiger is
a billionaire is not because of one hundred million dollars
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he won on the course. It was all this stuff
off the course. And now you know, you could argue
Scotty because the money is so outrageous. I mean, I
think he's made one hundred million dollars like the last
eighteen months, so it's like he'd argue, I don't even
need to do that stuff, which I don't want to
do anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
But I agree with you, but but the sport needs
him to do it, yeah, or.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
They need you know, really Rory, you know, I would
say Bryson are more in that length. Got what's face
is just he's just not really gonna be if he
hadn't gotten arrested. I mean, we think he's boring now.
I mean that I added at least some you know,
some name recognition to the casual fans.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
It's funny if you hadn't gotten arrested, that's it's very funny.
And he got arrested for literally like nothing, but regardless,
it's it's just amazing. Uh jumb Minkoffs our guest here,
Doug Gottlieb show, Fox Sports Radio, what do you think
happens with the Bengals? And I bring it up. We
were talking about Shamar Stewart, like he didn't have the
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option to go back to college. It's got to go there.
It very much feels agent driven, right, like you're trying
to change this language and contract and Mike Brown's just like,
I'm not changing the language in the contract. How long
are we going to how long are we gonna do
this dance?
Speaker 6 (32:09):
Yeah, it's kind of confusing. I mean I was reading
about it last night, it feels like other teams are
doing the same thing that Mike Brown wants to do
around that range. And he's like, I listened, We're talking
about if this guy goes to prison. Well, this isn't
that complicated here. I think these situations, I think there
are some parallels. Not you know, I'm not paralleling Michael
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Parsons to the guys in Cincinnati, but both owners in
Cincinnati and in Dallas are essentially the GMS, and you
know they are. You know, Mike Brown usually doesn't talk
as much, but he starts talking. It becomes kind of
a chaotic situation. All these gms now and most of
these owners, most owners never say a peep, never say anything,
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and they just go, hey deal. I'll give Jimmy has
them some credit. Remember when Miles Garrett went to the
Super Bowl and was like, I want to trade, and
then Rich Paul was like, we want a meeting, and
Jimmy Hasen was like, talk to the GM. That's his job.
That was it, you know. And I just think that
sometimes these agents, know what would the agents say yesterday
about Dick Tobin and Stuart's situation. He's I got the
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above his pay grade. He's not running point on this
like geez, once he's become public, which doesn't happen as
much anymore, right, because social media becomes so magnified, you
just want to avoid this at all costs. Like negotiations
are hard as they are, but like TJ. Watt, I
would imagine that wasn't an easy negotiation behind the scenes,
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but it was behind the scenes. And I think these
situations become so public and becomes so toxic that I
don't know, I don't know how you put the genie
back in the bottle once everyone's just so angry and
it clearly like it's not like this is dro Rosenhouse
for Tom Condon. You know, I don't know how well
this guy is first in the NFL landscape as an agent.
So it feels like it's getting worse before it's going
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to get better.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, you mentioned Jerry Jones.
I do think the one thing that's interesting that we
never bring up is it's like, be critical of Jerry
Jones for not, you know, signing Micah Parsons, although he
didn't even call him by the rate and right name
right Michael Parson. So showing his age. But we don't
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factor in the very strong likelihood that Parsons is asking
for a ridiculous contract, and we're only critical of Jerry
for not signing him to a contract which is very
likely to be a ridiculous contract.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Yeah, to me, my criticism would be just based on
the way other successful teams do business. Obviously, Jerry is
an outlier given he talks, I mean once the season starts,
multiple times a week, the radio show, and then after
games win or lose. You know, he like all these
situations are difficult. I mean, I've seen it with the
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forty nine ers held a couple years ago, Nick bo
that came down to like the last week before the
season because he was asking for such a lot of
money and they were having tough negotiations. But it's a
pretty standard practice. If you hear a coach or a
GM asked about the negotiations, they go, yeah, we're just
going to keep that between the agents and the player.
And I think when Jerry, who just does what Jerry does,
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just creates like what he said. You know, I'm newly
married guy, and you learn pretty fast, like everything you
think you don't need to say right something like what
Jerry said wasn't wrong. Micha Parson's miss games bast miss games.
We all know that, right, but he just it kind
of strokes the fire here goes thing. And you know
this in recruiting, like most guys, I think the average
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age for a guy getting their first contract right past
you know, they've pass the rookie deal. So of getting
an extension, I would say is like average is twenty
four or twenty five years old. So you are dealing
with young men that are highly emotional, and the agent
obviously has his tentacles in him. So these situations Jerry
just makes him worse, and he obviously makes them really public.
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It becomes like a you know, like an NBA headline,
But it wouldn't exist if Jerry didn't talk, which obviously
is not gonna happen because it feels like his favorite
thing to do is tell you about everything that's going on.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Now.
Speaker 6 (36:17):
Granted says prerogative is a team, but I would imagine whenever,
and I'm not rooting for Garry to go anywhere, but
whenever Steven's in control and the point guy, the Cowboys
probably quiet down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, did
you know Philip Rivers wasn't retired?
Speaker 6 (36:37):
I said that yesterday when I saw the headline, I
assumed he retired, like back when like Peyton Manning did that.
He's been gone forever.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
We were talking about this before the show. I mean,
I think he's all a famer, but more than anything, like,
I just I don't feel cheated by the Philip Rivers
experience as a Charger fan, right Like, never got to
the Super Bowl. Heck, I don't think they got to
the AFC Championship game, but I never.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Felt towards Al against the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Oh that's right. And he played with the torn ACL
and n LT didn't play and he had a minor neathing.
Yeah yeah, I mean that's like the ultimate stuff, right Like,
played in an AFC Championship game with the torn ACL.
Now he was he was never a good athlete, so
I'm not sure it really hurt him, but it did.
Could not have felt felt good having had a torn
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a cl and then tried to go for a walk
with my dogs and stepped in a hole. It was
the greatest pain I ever felt in my life. So yeah,
I do, I actually do feel that, but I never felt,
never felt cheated by the by the by the by
the Philip Rivers experience.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well part of it.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
It was like a golfer. At any moment he could
hit it out of bounds. I mean threw some picks,
but he could also have games that would just like
this guy is such a badass. You know. He didn't
have a great arm, which I think led to some picks,
especially the little laden games when he was pressing. Uh.
I would say, it's kind of like the poor man's
Peyton Manning. But in terms of respect and like hall
of fame. To me, my standards are a little higher,
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I think than most you tell me. He gets in
one day wouldn't be surprised to me, probably in the
haul of really good. I've always thought, though, Doug, that
you know, seeing some of these guys like Drew Bury
is a good example, awesome guy. If he was your
quarterback and you're stoked, right, he'd probably be an awesome
GM or an offensive coordinator. I just don't think he's
great on TV. I think, Philip Rivers, if you put
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him in like the CBS, like just a crew, he
would be a star. You know, his passion, his energy.
Oh yeah, I think he would be so good and
he would kind of like what Romo did for his career,
but it even be different. I just think he's a
little more likable. I don't know, I think he'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
You and I, you and I both. I mean he
used to we go down there for Chargers camp every year,
and you get done talking, You're like, I think he
might invite me for dinner tonight. You know, he just
has that warmth and that ability to make it.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
I feel like I think he could be John Madden
as a player, you know, kind of that kind of personality.
Just I think he would have been a superstar on TV,
which he made so much money. He's got fifty kids.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
I don't know if well.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think he said he wants he loves ball, like
his dad was a coach, and he wants to coach.
So he's like coaching high school ball.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
And I think it's kid good, right, I mean I
think it's like fifteen year old or sixteen year old.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
One of them has one of them has to be good.
Just the numbers tell you that one of them has
to be good, right exactly. I mean they're probably not
all good, there's got to be one that's like, now,
now he's shaving his tongue with the razor right, like multiplicity. Uh,
but I don't.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
We're gonna we're gonna really old. We're gonna feel really
old with it. You know. It's one thing Cooper's son
is good, but like, yeah, when Philip Rivers or Matt
Stafford has a kid that's like draft eligible, you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Be like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Yeah, well Philip Rivers could have like an entire offense
be all his kids. That might be Yeah, I'll be fascinating, right,
jumpin a cuff. The Three and Out is the podcast.
Check it out on the Volume podcast Network. John, thanks
so much for joining us do Stug Gottlieb show here
on Fox Sports Radio. You know, the only thing about
(40:08):
and I probably could ask John about this one, but
the only thing about this crew. I think Sam is
the one guy who we connect on this is like,
this is the hardest week and a half. But once
you get to August, you're starting to get excited about
college football.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Definitely.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
And we have acc Media Days, big ten Media Days
coverage on right now, so we're ramping up, we're gearing
up here, and it is almost when we're in the
second half of July here, the month is gonna be
over before we know it. And just seeing these these
coaches and players representing their teams at these media days,
you're like, yep, college football ride.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Are on the one is so weird though, right, Like, okay,
so now we have a playoff, but the leagues are
very different. Some you don't play teams you used to playing.
You do play teams you're not used to playing all
the most of the teams are brand new. You know,
you get like fifth team padded practice. Then you're playing
a game.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Now you can survive an early season loss, whereas previously
you couldn't remember they have week zero in week one
and all that other stuff. Like I don't even know
which week is week zero. I think is August thirtieth,
week zero? No idea, but man, I I start when
once I see an eight at the start of a month. Immediately,
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all I can think of is, well, college football, college football,
August twenty third is when it kicks off. Yeah, August
twenty You've got some state in k State in Ireland
conference game.
Speaker 5 (41:38):
Yeah, Ireland College fork Airlin is college fool Classic but
it will it'll count as a conference game.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
So they don't get a little appetizer.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Nothing really that stay.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
She doesn't get excited for it the way we do.
We're like geeking out about it.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
Kansas, that's not bad. The rest of a Stanford, Hawaii,
it's okay. It's a little appetizer.
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