July 24, 2025 • 54 mins
Doug Gottlieb reminisces about the legend of Hulk Hogan and whether wrestlers count as athletes. Plus, Doug has a nice chat with Andrew Brandt, throws in back to 1996 with Don't Call It A Throwback, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Sports Radio. It's a beautiful, hot sunny day where I'm
broadcasting from in Bricktown and Oklahoma City. I don't know
where you are. My guys are in Sherman Oaks, California. Likely,
it is beautiful sunny day and socow hope you're enjoying
your summer. Let's talk some sports and other stuff over
the next couple of hours. So I heard Isaac Lohencron
(00:48):
start the update with with the passing of Hulk Hogan.
And I'm not criticizing Isaac, Okay, So again, like I
don't tell Isaac what to lead with. He doesn't tell
me what to lead with. And I do think that
Hulk Hogan dying at the age of like seventy one
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is a big story. I just personally tell you that
the things that he was outed for for saying on
a recording to me are reprehensible, and so it's hard
for me to feel like a guy is an icon
when that's the way he spoke about people. But nonetheless,
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I do think there's a bunch of different lessons in
Hulk Hogan dying. Right, that's the thing. And no, I'm
not going rule of three, as Jaycedu kind of eerily predicted.
I think it was two days ago. He's like, you
know what they're gonna say, It's comes in threes. And
with Ozzie dying, and with Malcolm Jamal Warner dying, and
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now Hulk Hogan dying, everybody from the eighties is dying.
And maybe that's actually the less not the rule of three.
It's that because I was thinking about this on how
we still, especially in the NBA, but some in the NFL,
we grip to this belief that athletes aren't going to age,
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that who they were last year is who they're going
to be this year and next year. Again, it's the
age old thing of why I agree with not having
multi year, lengthy, guaranteed contracts in the National Football League
I don't care if that sounds like I'm anti athlete.
I'm not. I'm a realist. I mean, heck, even justin fields.
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And I think he may have dislocated a toe. We
don't know which toe. It happened earlier today, but it
caused you to hold your breath. But the idea is,
in football, you are just one hit away from never
playing again. And most guys outside of the quarterback position,
and even sometimes when you get to your late thirties
in the quarterback position, that you age overnight, you're just
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not the same guy you used to be in any way,
So maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's like we
make fun of the Clippers because the Clippers have gone
to James harden Kawhi's a little bit longer in the
tooth and oft injured and now Chris Paul And you're like, dude, really,
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I mean, this team ten years ago amazing. This year
that'll make the playoffs? Then what? But we only do
it for Chris Paul. We don't do it for the Lakers, right,
we don't do it talk about Lebron. Remember last year,
heading into the playoffs, we were like, hey, I think
they got a chance. They had no chance. Why he's
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a shell of his former self, especially the defensive end,
as he should be forty years old. He's amazing for forty,
but he's still forty. So maybe the start of the
show is age is just a number, or maybe it's
that Hulk Hogan. Tiger Woods now was never presented like
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Tiger Woods was, but he was when we were all hulkomaniacs.
He was like an American icon. But just like wrestling itself,
it's fake. Everything about it was fake, and please stop
with the Those guys get hurt, They do get hurt,
they do jump off things, but they do the same
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thing with park Or people get hurt Newing Parker. Only
difference is it's a planned out act. In wrestling, they
are really talented athletic actors. That's what they are. They're
not athletes. They may have been an athlete in a
different life. It is not an athletic endeavor because it's
planned out. It is scripted. The winner and the loser
is all scripted, as are the actions within the ring.
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Within reason like it's it's it's art, it's not sports.
Sports can be art, but art does not always be sports,
and in this case, it's it's more of an art.
But once we found out who Hulk really was, you're like, well,
that's not the American icon I thought or I was
(05:10):
sold right, And maybe that's the story of Hulk Hogan
so many of other things in our childhood. If you're
of my age, Like again, you start childhood from WWE
all the way up to when you had the home
run chase for Bonds and Sosa. I mean for uh
(05:32):
maguire and Sosa. That was like college years. So it's
like those are those are the bookends of childhood. Childhood
ends when college ends. Really it was all bs And
you might sit there and going like you're a cynic.
I'm not. I actually believe in the good of people.
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Maybe that's why I feel so scorned at the fact
that my dad used to tell me, like that's real.
It's not real, Bob, It's not just like the presentation
of an American icon, like Hulk Hogan wasn't real. It
wasn't real. He's just an actor. He played a role
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than who he was in real life. Wasn't that great.
Maybe it's the trappings of fame. Whatever it is. I
do think there's takeaways. I let me ask you a question,
do you consider this is just again you're allowed your opinion.
(06:38):
I have mine. Was Hulk Hogan an athlete?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And what to kinda do comedia in the largest arms
in the world.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Brother, that's my response. No, it's a brother, It's it's
a valid question.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I think the I think maybe a more know The
answer is no, he was a it was sports entertainment,
although I completely.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was not sports entertainment. It's not sports. It's not
you're you're letting the WWE get to you with like ah,
we changed it to w entertainment, like real wrestling. That's why,
I honestly think it's one of the reasons UFC and
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and you know, MMA is so popular because it's real wrestling,
whereas we were sold fake wrestling for so long. So
how old were you when you found out it was fake.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Last last Thursday? No, I was thinking about this this morning.
I I deep down knew it was fake. But I
think why this is such a big story and it
evokes so much is less about as you said, who
Hulk Hogan was. I was not as given name, of course,
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but rather the memories it evoked from a certain generation
when we were all growing up, because part of the
charm of sports is nostalgia, and especially when you're growing
up in that age, you don't realize that there's a
real life where things probably aren't as clean cut as
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they might seem when you get fed at via mass media,
especially during that time, and when you have sort of
the innocence of youth.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah's honestly, it's a beautifully put series of sentences. It's
really well done, really well done, samre you're younger, was
there ever? I think part of it is because you're
you're not that much younger, but you're young enough to
where you were always in on it, right, you always
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knew that it wasn't real, correct, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, never never yeah, never confused uh, pro wrestling
with like Iowa wrestling, which obviously is not even the
same wrestling. It's not even the same style of wrestling.
You don't have all these crazy stunts and stuff in
regular you know, collegiate wrestling.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Right because you can't actually do that if you're actually
gonna wrestle somebody, like doesn't actually happen that.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Way, And there's not actually a whole lot of like wrestling,
like actual sport of wrestling in pro wrestling. It's more
of like violent fighting and with some grappling and stuff,
but it's it's it's not the same thing. But yeah,
I never thought it was never thought it was real.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
During during the Kulk generation, if you will, I would
say there was more, like I said, I'm not gonna
say it was competitive sports at all, but there was
a lot more seemingly athleticism than how it is now,
when it's way excessively based on storylines and anything but
the match.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, again, I'm a fully disclosed I have never been
an avid watcher of WWF or WWE or any or
www dot com. Like I just have not. Okay, I
would tell you though that I think, and I yes,
the storylines have become big. I do think that there's
the stunts now in some ways are more dramatic than
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they were then. Maybe I could be wrong, but I
don't know if I feel that's the case.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I feel like some of the stunts from the eighties
and nineties were like the people died like people, They
put their lives.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
On the line a little more, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, Like uh, and I'm pleased, I'm not I'm not
a pro wrestling well and also like, what is it? Uh,
I'm sorry, I'm gonna miss quote this, but it's like
Rage in the Cage or you know, the stuff where
like guys were jumping off of like two story basically
lengths and falling on each other and Helen Cel Yeah yeah,
(10:45):
rage in the Cage.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
But but there was there was stuff that were they
were in the nineties. These people were when these people
were putting their lives on the line to entertain.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
People, they were not putting their lives.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Oh, they absolutely were, doug They absolutely were. There were
times where guys were jumping off of like forty feet
up and you know, someone could break your neck, and
you know, people are I mean, you know you had
you had time. I remember watching a documentary and it
was called like it was like selling. It was called
like selling the you know, selling the sports, selling out
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is what they called it. It was like you'd take
a razor blade, you have it hidden under your thumb
and you'd like wipe your brow and you'd cut your
like it was real blood and stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Yeah, it was. It was all predetermined.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
But I would definitely call these guys athletes, I absolutely would.
And I think there's a lot of crossover between sports
and pro wrestling. You say, George Kittle is basically setting
up his next career uh in pro wrestling by kind
of the the persona he puts on the field now
and in in interviews.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But is it sports? It's not, it's not. Why is
it a sport?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I didn't say it's a sport. I said they're athletes, athletes, But.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But they're athletic actors. They're not athletes.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Okay, we're arguing semantics here. I don't think it's competition.
It's predetermined competition. But they are athletes because they are.
They have to be in certain shape, they have to
you know, it's not competition. There's a I think there's
a difference there.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Like was uh uh Andre the Giant? Was he an athlete?
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, he was just a giant. He walked around things
around him.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Was not but he used his body, He used his body.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
If he was athletic at all, he would have played
in the NBA. That's an athlete.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Wasn't he a world champion drinker?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Though?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Outside the ring? I mean, I've heard stories.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
We have all kinds of ways of defining athletes. Now,
Joey chestnuts an athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I guess right, No, he's not an athlete. No, he's
eating his nuts.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I guess we can. We can, we can disagree on that.
But these some of these guys, you know, you can't.
You can't be a you know, a fat club in
the ring. You'll get hurt worse. I definitely think these
guys are athletes, just this way. I'd say that, like,
you know, stock car drivers are athletes. It's just a
different kind of athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Uh, it's the Doug ottlib Show on Fix Sports Radio. Okay,
So so Sam you how old are you? Sam?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Thirty eight?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right? So I think, Ilo, how old are you?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
None of your mind, forty five.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Forty five? So I'm like, I'm forty nine. I think
the cutoff is it's like I loo and maybe forty two,
forty three, Like, let's just go forty above, forty and above.
I can almost guarantee you we'll try this via tweet
and Instagram. Hey, I'm guessing that if you're forty years older,
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there was a time in your life where people were
arguing and you may have been like me, it was
like it's fake the whole time. But there's a time
in your life when somebody ye that you care about
thought it was real. My dad, Wow, how could it
be fake? And then some things would be so over
the top fake you'd be like, how can you fake
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that fall? How can you? How can you do it?
But you can and they did. And yes, accidents happened,
but Ackson's happened on movie sets as well. So things
do happen. Guys go boom, they're athletics, they're just stunt men.
But the point is that there was there was this
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window where people enough people thought it might be real.
They just they just did. They did a good enough
job of selling it. It was positioned in a way
where they were larger than life sports figures. I remember
I flew cross country when I was let's see here,
I think it was I want to say eighth grade, right,
(14:36):
so I'm fourteen, that's nineteen ninety. I flew cross country
around Christmas time to stay with my uncle who lived
in Stanford, Connecticut. I flew NonStop Melics to JFK and
Hulk Hogan was sitting in first class. But he arrived
like late and was like the first one off the
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plane was like escorted on and escorted off. I'm telling
you next to Ronald Reagan, he was probably the biggest.
He was that big. He was literally that big. I mean,
I think of all the actors of that time, but
for our generation, and I Loo, I'll circle you into that.
Even though you're a little younger than me, Hulk Hogan
(15:20):
was huge. Remember they sold out the Silverdome ninety three
thousand people. I'll never forget that, right all for all
for was it Super Slam or whatever, what wrest WrestleMania three.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You're and you're absolutely right about capturing just how big
he was at that exact time in America. I would
say mid eighties was his absolute peak, especially with kids.
You know, uh, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, the
thirty one inch pythons, sayings like that. You absolutely captured
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at that time how big he was in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
All right, Tess, So so send us a send us
a tweet message on ig how old were we? How
old were you? When you're like, this is not real?
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Show Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having a great day.
It's the summer, middle of summer, right, slugging it out,
talking uh fake wrestling. It is interesting though, right, like
I'm I'm listening and we were acting like the Pope died.
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And don't get me wrong, there was a time when
Hulk Hogan was bigger than the Pope. But yeah, I
don't know, he was somebody we should be idolizing, memorializing,
even on the day of his passing. That's that's just me.
That's how I that's how I roll. Andrew Brandt in
a moment talk some NFL contracts and and and really
(19:47):
what it's like when guys run out there in pads
for the first time, when you remember the front office
as he used to be. But first, let me get
you to Isaac Low and Kron get a quick update
and everything in sports Ilo all.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Right, Doug Indeed Pro wrestling jian Hulk Hogan passed away
at the age of seventy one after he suffered a
cardiac arrest at his home in Clearwater, Florida. Again. He
was seventy one years old. In the National Football League,
New York Jets quarterback Justin Fields dislocated a toe on
his right foot in practice today, but Fields is expected
to be ready for the regular season opener against the
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Pittsburgh Steelers. Elsewhere, an MRI I confirmed that Miami Dolphins
cornerback Already Burns tore his ACL in practice yesterday. Burns
is expected to miss the twenty twenty five season and
one Major League Baseball game going on right now in Cleveland.
The Baltimore Orioles, despite two home runs by Stephen Kuan,
lead the Cleveland Guardians four to three in the bottom
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half of the eighth inning.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Doug, back to you, Stug Gottlieb Show Fox sports radio.
Andrew Brant joins us. Of course, he has the Sunday
seven newslector. He's the executive director of the Mora d
Center at Villanova teaching sports business. This is the guru
you want to know why anything's done business wise, especially
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(21:04):
out the Sunday seven newsletter. Andrew, Let let's start with
a yearly discussion in the Dallas Cowboys and the methodology
behind Jerry Jones. Right, I'd rather wait to wait too
long than sign a guy too early. Last year, of course,
he acquiesced and signed Dak Prescott, who missed half the season.
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What are your thoughts on Micah Parsons and why he
has an ink to long term deal?
Speaker 9 (21:32):
Yeah? Good, be with you, Doug. It is every year
we talk about it. It's just a modus operandi with
the Cowboys that I don't understand. No one seems to
understand it. I'll give you a couple possible rationales, although
they don't make a ton of sense. But it's basically
he waits and waits and waits, and sometimes makes even
remarks that could seem disparaging, like he did the other day,
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but at the end of the day pays top of
the market. He paid top of the market for Ceedee Lamb,
who actually missed camp almost with a blessing, unlike Parsons
who's there. And then, as everyone knows, he paid Prescott
on two hours before the opening game against Cleveland last year.
They'd been negotiating all summer with a contract at fifty
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five fifty six million a year, and he gave him
sixty million a year, the biggest contract in the history
of the sport. I would estimate it all happen with Parsons.
I would think, you know, over under September third, we're
going to see a huge contract for Parsons and maybe
the highest non quarterback contract in history, more than JJ
(22:35):
Watt I'm sorry, TJ Watt, and more than Michael maybe
even Miles at Cleveland. Yeah, Miles got to Cleveland. So
it's going to happen. Here's my thought on why I've
racked my brain. Maybe he just thinks they might get hurt,
you know, and then the contracts on hold, so it
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could get hurt between now and September or whenever he
does the deal. And the other thing again, it sounds trite.
But with someone like Jared Jones who counts his money,
maybe he just would rather have it in his account
instead of Parsons account until the last possible minute. It's
the only explanations I can come up.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
With, all right, I mean, we're all trying to figure
it out. Drew Brandt joins us the business of sports
is his domain. Okay, take me to Cleveland, right, guy
leads him in sacks two consecutive years, but he's over
the age of thirty. But they put all this money
into offense. And before we get to not having your
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first round draft pick under contract yet, let's start with
the defensive side of the ball. What do you think
of the Bengals and that statement from Mike Brown as
to why they haven't come to terms.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Yeah, again, Hendrickson's another weird one. It's a little different
than Dallas because we know, at the end of the day,
Dallas is going to pay top of the market. I
don't since that at all about Mike Brown and Cincinnati.
They're always the most penurious team in the league. I've
experienced that as an agent many years ago, and even
as a colleague. They're tough. Before we get to the
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rookie I think Hendrickson will get done. I think it'll
get done in the next couple of weeks. I don't
think he'll be at the level of eventually Parsons, of
Garrett of what maybe not of Max Crosby. So it
may not be high thirties, but it'll be a lot
more than he's making now. And I just think they'll
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both realize this is where we are. So, you know,
best guests thirty two million a year or something like that,
which is great, but it's not top of the market.
I just think that's where the Browns are. The tougher one.
Doug is that rookie. And again people have asked me
a lot about this. CBA does basically determine what you're
(25:03):
going to make in a rookie contract. We know what
Schamarsh threw at their top pick is going to make,
how much bonus, how much per year. What it doesn't
tell you is how to negotiate the contract beyond that,
how many guarantees, what's the language like, what's the offsets?
And here are The issue is language. So Mike Brown
and the Bengals want to impose language that other teams use.
(25:25):
We use in Green Bay. The Eagles have it. The
Rams have it. If you have a default at any
point in the contract, and default can be defined as
a suspension, a conduct, detrimental discipline, something that takes you
off the field, and it can be even broader than that.
The rest of the contract loses its guarantees. So this
is going to be a four year guaranteed contract. If
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something were to happen in year one, he'd still have
the contract, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. And they're trying
to impose this as they've never had it before. They
don't anything against Shamar Stewart, although the language from Mike
Brown was really disturbing, you know, but they just want
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impose in their contracts so that next year, the year
after and forever. This is not a negotiation. They say, well,
now we got it in our contracts, so it's always
tough to do the first time. But they've been behind
other teams and getting this in.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Is it an unreasonable ask what Mike Brown's trying to
get through.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Yes and no, No, because other teams have it. Yes,
because they had a number one sick last year who's
picked lower than Shamar Stewart. He didn't have it and
Their response is, well, here we go. We're starting in
twenty twenty five. It all comes down optionality, Doug, as
you know, and leverage. I don't see Shamar Stewart having
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any other options. And people he's not going back to
Texas A and M Please, No, he's not. He'd have
to win a lawsuit that would take months off years.
He is has no options, so I think he'll sign.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I tend to agree with you. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show only on Fox Sports Radio. We're so happy
to be joined by the Guru of business himself, that's
Andrew Brant. Andrew, there's a change in leadership in Green Bay, right,
and what's that mean for how the Packers do business.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
I don't think much because before my time, my time
and since my time, the president is important and obviously
directs the franchise from a leadership view, from strategy, from
doing a lot off the field, with real estate, with politics,
with buying up land around Titletown. But there's a tremendous
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difference in the Packers and always has been to the
football operation. They don't get involved. Now. They could fire
the coach, they could hire the coach, they could fire
the GM. I get that, but there is deference to
when it was Ron Wolfer, Ted Thompson now Brian gudukunst
to run the team the way they want and not
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get involved in their tech management, and not get involved
in who they pick, and not get involved in free
agency discussions. So the Packers are a very much in
your lane team where coaches coach, scout scout, management manages,
and general manager picks the players. So I don't think
it'll change too much. Policy is a longtime fixture. As
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everyone knows his father with the forty nine ers in Browns.
It's a royalty name in the NFL. He'll fit in seamlessly,
has been there a while. So yeah, and I was
asked about him and the whole process, and I was
very pro policy because I thought continuity is always important
in any organization.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Hey, So, Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio,
what do you make of the turmoil atop the NFLPA.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
You know, Doug, it's been a mess a long time,
and this is just another indication that there's been an
air of secrecy of veil around that organization since Chenopshall
left and people have reached out to me former players
ask me that same question. I just I think it
(29:23):
needs a revamp. It reads a redo. It it has
to allow for some transparency. I don't know what they've
done negotiation wise, where they give away a seventeenth game,
they give away economic concessions, and all they end up
with is better practice time and reduced padded practices. I mean,
someone's got to get in there and say we're a
real union. We're not just going to say, well, we'll
(29:43):
never strike. We have too many players like do something
about it. And this latest thing is just, you know,
my action is everyone's reaction. How in the world did
they end up with this guy who has no football knowledge,
no football experience, and has all these personal piccadillos that
we've now found out about. And I mean, you couldn't
(30:04):
ask for a worse process. So I don't know. I
mean I'm looking at it like you are and like,
what the heck? What is going on with these people?
So hopefully it's a whole reset. I know players want that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew
Brandt is our guest because of because of the allegations
of collusion, right which which came out. There's this continued
talk of the fully guaranteed contracts, and again I'll be
(30:37):
fully I'll fully disclose to you. A lot of the
people I talked to summer agents, but a lot of
them are on the front office side and their their stances, like, Hey,
the only ones pushing for all this stuff is the agents.
Because there is that the fully guaranteed contracts would happen,
they would just be less money in less years than
(30:58):
people want to have happened. And the reason that hasn't
happened is because the agents want to win. You know,
the the tweet that says my guy got two on
it right, the pr to it. What's the reality beat?
You know this game way better than anybody else. What's
the reality to Who's behind the push for the fully guaranteed,
(31:20):
lengthy contracts?
Speaker 9 (31:23):
Well, I think it's I guess I'll say this. It
has to start somewhere. We talked about this for three years.
Deshaun Watson set the stage. Regardless of what you think
of him, what do you think of the Browns? It
was there and we just talked about precedent with the
Cincinnati Bengals. I'm a lawyer, president's everything. So their president
(31:43):
was there, and those three people that brought the grievance,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray faced against an uphill
battle with that precedent where the teams are like, no,
we don't think that's precedent. And in those three situation,
I think there was collusion and I think there was
bad acting. So in terms of who's behind it, it's
(32:06):
just trying to break the seal. Whether it will trickle
down beyond elite quarterbacks ever, I don't think so. I
just don't think the league's built that way, and all
the reasons you just mentioned, but I think those three quarterbacks,
and then behind them was Burrow and Hertz and Herbert,
you know there's no reason it shouldn't be. And the
(32:27):
team can say, which they do say, is well, he's
Patrick Mahomes, he's Josh Allen, he's Joe Burrow. It's like
it's guaranteed. Well, if it's really like it's guaranteed, you
just guarantee it. Because without the guarantee, you know, the
team still has leverage, Like if you have a bad performance,
they can reduce your contract because you're under contract. So
(32:48):
I think it's a it's a limited sample size, so
maybe fifteen quarterbacks they should have that. There should there's
no reason they shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
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Speaker 9 (33:04):
Yeah, go to my Sunday seven dot com and talk
about this week all the topics we just discussed. And
speaking of the packers, that go in detail about their
financial report that just came out.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
So I think four four hundred and thirty million dollars
in revenue, and we only know that because they're they're
a publicly owned company, which means every team got four
hundred and thirty right, that's every.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Team before they turn the lights on, they got four
hundred thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Yeah, it's good. Good to be the king. Thanks so much, Andrew,
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What about your Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio
iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. I hope you having a great day.
The Doug gott Leap Show broadcasting from coast to coast
on a daily basis. And uh, our guy Ross Tucker
is going to join us as we get you ready
for an NFL season. You know, and I guess my
question going in the season. I know they didn't win
(34:52):
the Super Bowl Eagles did Eagles have a lot of
questions because you lost your offensive coordinator, right, and but
it still feels like they have better talent than most people.
It's not everybody, but there are definitely some moving pieces there.
And then for the Kansady Chiefs, will there be a
moment where the league catch us up to him? Offensive
(35:14):
line is still a mess and you know, didn't play
well in the Super Bowl. But like, I'm not gonna
be the guy that counts out the Chiefs. I mean,
how many years in a row are we talking about?
This is the year that they level off and they
just have not. So we'll catch up with Ross Tucker upcoming.
But we do this every Thursday, and it's a great
way to kind of play the way back machine. Jason
(35:35):
Stewart's not here, not because his Dodgers didn't win. They
actually won last night. Pretty planned day off, although the
previous day's offer only because the Dodgers had lost. But
he came with this, But it's a great idea. It's
called don't call a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
All right, Patrick? All right, what's the year we're throwing
it back to?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
All Right, Doug, So here's what we're doing. It's customary
that I interrupt you with Jackson fair point. You all
take it from here, Doug, go ahead, say that, go ahead,
so all take it from here, Doug, that's your best.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Jason Steward, Well, we're gonna go with the year nineteen
ninety six. Why did I choose nineteen ninety six? Well,
with Hulk Hogan's rest in peace to him today. With
that being said, he actually turned into Hollywood Hulk Hogan
in nineteen ninety six, So I'm like, hey, you know what,
why don't we use that That was a prominent moment
in his career.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Let's do that.
Speaker 10 (36:38):
So with that said, we're going nineteen ninety six. I
was also alive during that point. I'm not gonna say
how young I was, but I was alive.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
So we got that.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
So that said, let's go with the sports, the first
one I got going sports. With the sports going first,
we got the Summer Olympics were hosted in Atlanta, and
that actually was the US women's national soccer team won
their first Olympic golden medal there. So that happened in
nineteen ninety six in the Summer of Olympics in Atlanta.
(37:07):
We'll see what else we go, Oh, NBA Finals, All right,
this was the Chicago hold on, slow down, holding on,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Okay, So Patrick, Yes, I love you.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
This is Doug who lived through it, and Patrick, who's
like reading it on the end.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, it's like it and the US swimmen's soccer team
would it?
Speaker 10 (37:28):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, dude, that's not what the Olympics were known for.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I was one years old. Give me, give me a
little bit of slack.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm no, but you volunteered and put yourself out there.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Fair, that's fair.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
Ilo.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
The Olympics in Atlanta were known for three things? What
were they?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I was going to get to what I think was
one of them. But aside from that, the other two
unfortunately the bombing and and Centennial Park and Carrie, Oh,
Carrie Strong. I'd forgotten how big about shrug? Right, I forgot,
but that was huge back.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
In the day.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It was so huge she parlayed that into a cameo
on nine O two one zero. It's unbelievable, Doug, and
you would attest to it how big the carry strug
thing was back then.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, So Patrick, do you have any idea what we're
talking about? Absolutely not, No, Like he doesn't even know
who Bella Coroli is.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
That sounds like something you can carry.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
That sounds like something you'd order on like uber eat tonight, Like,
hey guys, there's some Bella. This place has got Bella Coroli.
Really yeah, that's I don't know. I don't like to
eat that outside like the restaurant.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
So fresher en house. Ye, can't take it to go definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Definitely can't take that Bella Coroli. And by the way,
Bella Corole rip right, didn't he die? I want to
say he died this year anyway? I digress.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Uh, yeah, he he died. He died no member of
twenty twenty four, So you're correct.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So in the last three hundred and sixty five days,
there we go. So Carrie Shrug sprained her ankle, the
levels of which we don't know, but she completed I
want to say, a gold medal in the vault on
one leg and like landed on one leg, right, and
it was seen as a heroic moment, and it's it's
(39:24):
in the course of actual performance in the ninety six Olympics.
It's what I think is the most memorable moment, right
is that fair? I love?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh absolutely? I mean she was literally America's sweetheart. I
mean you could not turn on NBC for like three
days after that without seeing Carrie strug Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
And then the Olympic bombing was what they were? What
was what the games? What was the guy who got blamed.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Richard Jewell, the security guard who was actually, as it
turned out, a hero and actually saved people by clearing
the area. And he was found guilty by the court
of public opinion until they found out it was actually
Eric Robert Rudolph years later.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Did you guys ever see that movie Richard Jewel that
came out in twenty nineteen, heard it was really good.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
No, I saw a documentary about him, but not the movie.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So also, I think Andrea Iguessie one, I think that
was the first year they had ten Was that the
first year of tennis? I'm I'm forgetting, but remember this
is when they started allowing pros in the Olympics as well.
And yes, women's soccer was kind of a thing, but
that was because I want to say, that was the
first time they had women's soccer in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And they played it, if my memory serves me, out
of all places between the hedges at Sanford Stadium in Athens.
And you know what, I was gonna mention this so
I might as well do it now as part of
the nineteen ninety six Olympics, and it's so crazy. Before
I knew we were going to talk about this today,
I actually thought about this morning for the first time
(40:59):
in a long time. But one of my most memorable
moments in sports history the lighting of the torch that
year at the opening.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It was a total surprise. Nobody knew that it was
going to be It was going to be him. And
I'll play it for you here. This is Janet Evans
going up a long, tall, winding ramp at Centennial Olympic Stadium,
which was later converted into Turner Field, the Home of
the Braves, and all of a sudden, Muhammad Ali emerges
(41:32):
out of the darkness. The whole stadium gasps. And here's
how it sounded on NBC with Bob Costas and Dick
Enberg as a league got ready to light the torch
in nineteen ninety six at the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
But look who gets it next?
Speaker 11 (41:50):
But gregis, once the most dynamic figure, is so gregarious
man now trapped inside that mask created by Parkinson syndrome,
so in one sense of poignant figure.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
But look out him still.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
A great, great presence, still exuding nobility in stature, and
the response of Volkes's part affection, part excitement, but especially respect.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Just a spine tingling moment that I'll always remember.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Nineteen ninety six a huge year in the NBA. That
was when the Chicago Bulls won of then records seventy
two games. And that was also the year that Kobe
Bean Bryant was drafted thirteenth overall by the Charlotte Hornets,
only on a draft day trade to be traded to
the LA Lakers. Nineteen ninety six in the NBA, do.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
You guys remember can we go back just to carry scrug?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Is that straw shrug?
Speaker 6 (42:58):
I'm just struggling right now.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I was at the year which you guys have.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Okay, you didn't no, I know, I didn't know I did.
I just forgot it was And listen, Okay, I'm just
being full, fully transparent.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Exactly. That's the thing I love about iowash Sam. When
she's wrong about something, he's wrong about it in like
a really entertaining way.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
Good.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Well, she she came on SNL and she did this
sketch with Chris Catan as her like fictional brother Skippy.
I remember that being very funny because Chris Chris Catan
was like a huge deal in SNL in the late nineties,
and do you remember her coming on anyway? Sorry, you
know what, maybe when Kobe being Bryant, I'm doing my
best Jason here wearing all that today. Maybe you know,
(43:43):
when Kobe being Brian came into the NBA, he might
have been listening to this song on his walkman.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Yes, I brought up the.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
I brought up with Quad Cities earlier is where Seth
Rollins was from. But this is like to the Quad
City DJs from the state of Florida. Yes, and they
would have a few more hits, but that was that year.
In nineteen ninety six was let's see that was a
number eleven on the Billboard Hot one hundred by the
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, I remember ninety ninety six, jam I visited I
was my ninety six ninety seven was the season I
went to gold must College, didn't play basketball pranks for
the team, and visited Alabama. That song was playing at
the Husks. Good time was had by all the Husks
(44:38):
ninety six in the NFL, and again remember you gotta
get you gotta be careful with ninety six because the
ninety six season became the ninety seven Super Bowl, Right,
that was a year it was won by the Green
Bay Packers led by Brett farre who take down the
New England Patriots, who were led by Drew Bledsoe and
(45:01):
Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yes, indeed, and that was Parcells's last game because Will mcdonnough,
the late father of Sean mcdonoughh broke the news the
day before the Super Bowl that Parcells was leaving to
coach the New York Jets. I would say, that's a distraction.
You know, you're getting ready to play the Super Bowl.
If you fight out your head coach isn't even gonna
fly back with you on the way home. And what
(45:29):
Desmond Howard, former Heisman Trophy winner, was the Super Bowl
MVP that year as he returned the key kickoff all
the way back for a touchdown. And that was also
the year that the Yankees, Right, the Yankees started their
dynasty nineteen ninety six, and Derek Jeter was a rookie
and GITA number two GITA shortstop Derek Eric Shee too.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Geta did you know that that were series? I don't
how much you remember of it? Yankee started up down
two games to none. They lost the first two games
at home at Yankee Stadium. Absolutely went back to Fulton
County Stadium and began a progression, winning four straight. Yeah,
Fulton County Stadium.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Old Fulton County Stadium. Yeah, in the most dramatic way possible.
That was the Jim Layritz tying home run in Game four.
They win game five to one to nothing, and then
they came home and they won the World Series in
nineteen ninety six, and that was the start of the
Yankees dynasty. But yeah, that's a great point. They lost
(46:37):
the first two at home, everybody thought they were toast
and then they then they came back to win the
nineteen ninety six World Series and then start the dynasty.
Let me think is was this the year we're talking about?
Speaker 7 (46:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Okay, so the National Championship in college basketball that year,
Doug was one by John excuse me, Rick Patino's Kentucky
Wildcats over Syracuse.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
But what that was.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Most notable to me about or for me, was that
that was the last time a final exactly it was
played at the Meadowlands in New Jersey. That was the
last time that an n C double a Final Four
and National Championship game was not played in a dome,
(47:31):
and I actually think that. I think we might have
talked about it on this show before, but I think
they'd be they do, well, it'll never happen because it
makes too it makes too much sense. But I think
they should move it back into an arena. I think
it makes so much money. And yeah, exactly, that's why
it'll never happen. That's why I'll never happen.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
So I love let me just I'm just gonna help
you with the math here. Okay, what do you think
the average ticket the Final four is?
Speaker 11 (47:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Geez, I mean in a dome. Let's say let's say
one hundred and twenty bucks.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Okay, average, Now you're way off, just because remember there's
three games. It's a lot more than that. Okay, but
let's let's say the average ticket, like, do you want
to go a two hundred fus low? But okay, two
hundred what is two hundred times seventy five thousand?
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Hey, it ain't my money, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
No, no, no, I just want to do this for
math real quick, because I've done this before. Sam, do
you got your calculator out.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Calculating right now, what is he ai?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
So you want to two hundred dollars time seventy five thousand,
fifteen million, right?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Okay. Now, let's increase the price of each ticket to
five hundred dollars a ticket, so you're going two point
five x okay? What is okay? What is five hundred
times twenty thousand? If you had twenty thousand in one
of the biggest arenas in the country, could you please
(49:00):
calculate that.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
We all know the answer to it anyway, ten million
dollars okay, A seven million dollars shortfall.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, Like I said, it ain't never gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
So if the tickets were expensive enough, you could move
it back to a smaller arena, But that just is
gonna squeeze people out.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
No, it'll never have you guys on the money, that's clear.
But what I'm saying is that from an esthetics point
of view.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
No, it's it's a real basketball game and a real
basketball arena exactly. But it's never gonna happen again. And
you're right, by the way. Nineteen ninety six college football season,
which wrapped up in nineteen ninety seven, was the Florida
Gators of the national champion coached by the headball coach
(49:48):
Steve Spurrier. Hell, well, we got two quarterbacks. Go out there,
see we got one. He doesn't get a job done,
I get somebody else in there. Yep, you'd like to
play Georgia first game the season. I always have a
couple guys.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Bad ball coach, that's not bad.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
We we created when I was at one of the
other places I worked at, we created the Spurrier zone, right,
what's the spurs So Bill Simmons is the author of
the Tyson zone. The Tyson zone is Mike. The stories
about Mike Tyson are so crazy. But there's not a
story about Mike Tyson you wouldn't believe to be true. Correct,
Like if you said Mike Tyson fought a bear, you'd
(50:26):
be like, yeah, I can see that. Steve Spurrier had
the Spurrier zone. We created that, which is he's so
accomplished in the sport of college football. You know, Heisman
Trophy winner, National champion at Florida before Florida was really
invested in terms of their facilities in the sport. One
at Duke got South Carolina to Atlanta to the SEC
(50:48):
Championship game, that there's nothing, nothing holding it. He could
speak his mind and say whatever the hell he wanted.
The Spurrier Zone loved Steve Spurrier.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Hey, by the way, said you brought up Mike Tyson.
Nineteen ninety six was also the year that he met
Evander Holyfield for the first time. The second time in
nineteen ninety seven was the infamous biting incident. But here's
how the first fight between Tyson and holy Field ended.
In nineteen ninety.
Speaker 7 (51:13):
Six, Holy share day, I got her pretty shortness.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
That was a t ko of Tyson by holy Field,
and up until that point that was just the second
time that Tyson had ever lost in forty some for fights. Obviously,
the first was to Buster Douglas in nineteen ninety and
then of course the ear biting incident would be the
following year.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
And that's don't Oh we haven't even done movies, have we.
Speaker 10 (51:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Independ's Day, Independence Day?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Oh, gosh, Independence Day? Well was that ninety six? Ninety Oh? No,
you're right, it was ninety six.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Good job, I got you.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Jerry maguire, Jerry McGuire. Titanic, Oh, I think Titanic was
ninety seven. I want to say sometimes there's some overlap. Yeah, Twister.
Oh that was a big one.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Original sister first Mission Impossible movie versus the Mission Ipossible movies.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
It's a really good.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right because that's back when Will Smith owned into Penn's day,
not just the movie, but he had well. It was
like four consecut years of the big blockbuster, back when
people used to go good movies. Patrick, people used to
plan on going to movies on the fourth of July
to see Will Smith. Anyway, it's a long time ago,
and that's don't call it throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (52:46):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
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Sports Radio. It's a beautiful, hot sunny day where I'm
broadcasting from in Bricktown and Oklahoma City. I don't know
where you are. My guys are in Sherman Oaks, California. Likely,
it is beautiful sunny day and socow hope you're enjoying
your summer. Let's talk some sports and other stuff over
the next couple of hours. So I heard Isaac Lohencron
(00:48):
start the update with with the passing of Hulk Hogan.
And I'm not criticizing Isaac, Okay, So again, like I
don't tell Isaac what to lead with. He doesn't tell
me what to lead with. And I do think that
Hulk Hogan dying at the age of like seventy one
(01:09):
is a big story. I just personally tell you that
the things that he was outed for for saying on
a recording to me are reprehensible, and so it's hard
for me to feel like a guy is an icon
when that's the way he spoke about people. But nonetheless,
(01:29):
I do think there's a bunch of different lessons in
Hulk Hogan dying. Right, that's the thing. And no, I'm
not going rule of three, as Jaycedu kind of eerily predicted.
I think it was two days ago. He's like, you
know what they're gonna say, It's comes in threes. And
with Ozzie dying, and with Malcolm Jamal Warner dying, and
(01:52):
now Hulk Hogan dying, everybody from the eighties is dying.
And maybe that's actually the less not the rule of three.
It's that because I was thinking about this on how
we still, especially in the NBA, but some in the NFL,
we grip to this belief that athletes aren't going to age,
(02:14):
that who they were last year is who they're going
to be this year and next year. Again, it's the
age old thing of why I agree with not having
multi year, lengthy, guaranteed contracts in the National Football League
I don't care if that sounds like I'm anti athlete.
I'm not. I'm a realist. I mean, heck, even justin fields.
(02:36):
And I think he may have dislocated a toe. We
don't know which toe. It happened earlier today, but it
caused you to hold your breath. But the idea is,
in football, you are just one hit away from never
playing again. And most guys outside of the quarterback position,
and even sometimes when you get to your late thirties
in the quarterback position, that you age overnight, you're just
(02:57):
not the same guy you used to be in any way,
So maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's like we
make fun of the Clippers because the Clippers have gone
to James harden Kawhi's a little bit longer in the
tooth and oft injured and now Chris Paul And you're like, dude, really,
(03:18):
I mean, this team ten years ago amazing. This year
that'll make the playoffs? Then what? But we only do
it for Chris Paul. We don't do it for the Lakers, right,
we don't do it talk about Lebron. Remember last year,
heading into the playoffs, we were like, hey, I think
they got a chance. They had no chance. Why he's
(03:39):
a shell of his former self, especially the defensive end,
as he should be forty years old. He's amazing for forty,
but he's still forty. So maybe the start of the
show is age is just a number, or maybe it's
that Hulk Hogan. Tiger Woods now was never presented like
(04:02):
Tiger Woods was, but he was when we were all hulkomaniacs.
He was like an American icon. But just like wrestling itself,
it's fake. Everything about it was fake, and please stop
with the Those guys get hurt, They do get hurt,
they do jump off things, but they do the same
(04:24):
thing with park Or people get hurt Newing Parker. Only
difference is it's a planned out act. In wrestling, they
are really talented athletic actors. That's what they are. They're
not athletes. They may have been an athlete in a
different life. It is not an athletic endeavor because it's
planned out. It is scripted. The winner and the loser
is all scripted, as are the actions within the ring.
(04:48):
Within reason like it's it's it's art, it's not sports.
Sports can be art, but art does not always be sports,
and in this case, it's it's more of an art.
But once we found out who Hulk really was, you're like, well,
that's not the American icon I thought or I was
(05:10):
sold right, And maybe that's the story of Hulk Hogan
so many of other things in our childhood. If you're
of my age, Like again, you start childhood from WWE
all the way up to when you had the home
run chase for Bonds and Sosa. I mean for uh
(05:32):
maguire and Sosa. That was like college years. So it's
like those are those are the bookends of childhood. Childhood
ends when college ends. Really it was all bs And
you might sit there and going like you're a cynic.
I'm not. I actually believe in the good of people.
(05:53):
Maybe that's why I feel so scorned at the fact
that my dad used to tell me, like that's real.
It's not real, Bob, It's not just like the presentation
of an American icon, like Hulk Hogan wasn't real. It
wasn't real. He's just an actor. He played a role
(06:18):
than who he was in real life. Wasn't that great.
Maybe it's the trappings of fame. Whatever it is. I
do think there's takeaways. I let me ask you a question,
do you consider this is just again you're allowed your opinion.
(06:38):
I have mine. Was Hulk Hogan an athlete?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And what to kinda do comedia in the largest arms
in the world.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Brother, that's my response. No, it's a brother, It's it's
a valid question.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
I think the I think maybe a more know The
answer is no, he was a it was sports entertainment,
although I completely.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was not sports entertainment. It's not sports. It's not
you're you're letting the WWE get to you with like ah,
we changed it to w entertainment, like real wrestling. That's why,
I honestly think it's one of the reasons UFC and
(07:27):
and you know, MMA is so popular because it's real wrestling,
whereas we were sold fake wrestling for so long. So
how old were you when you found out it was fake.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Last last Thursday? No, I was thinking about this this morning.
I I deep down knew it was fake. But I
think why this is such a big story and it
evokes so much is less about as you said, who
Hulk Hogan was. I was not as given name, of course,
(08:01):
but rather the memories it evoked from a certain generation
when we were all growing up, because part of the
charm of sports is nostalgia, and especially when you're growing
up in that age, you don't realize that there's a
real life where things probably aren't as clean cut as
(08:23):
they might seem when you get fed at via mass media,
especially during that time, and when you have sort of
the innocence of youth.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah's honestly, it's a beautifully put series of sentences. It's
really well done, really well done, samre you're younger, was
there ever? I think part of it is because you're
you're not that much younger, but you're young enough to
where you were always in on it, right, you always
(08:52):
knew that it wasn't real, correct, Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Yeah, yeah, never never yeah, never confused uh, pro wrestling
with like Iowa wrestling, which obviously is not even the
same wrestling. It's not even the same style of wrestling.
You don't have all these crazy stunts and stuff in
regular you know, collegiate wrestling.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Right because you can't actually do that if you're actually
gonna wrestle somebody, like doesn't actually happen that.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Way, And there's not actually a whole lot of like wrestling,
like actual sport of wrestling in pro wrestling. It's more
of like violent fighting and with some grappling and stuff,
but it's it's it's not the same thing. But yeah,
I never thought it was never thought it was real.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
During during the Kulk generation, if you will, I would
say there was more, like I said, I'm not gonna
say it was competitive sports at all, but there was
a lot more seemingly athleticism than how it is now,
when it's way excessively based on storylines and anything but
the match.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, again, I'm a fully disclosed I have never been
an avid watcher of WWF or WWE or any or
www dot com. Like I just have not. Okay, I
would tell you though that I think, and I yes,
the storylines have become big. I do think that there's
the stunts now in some ways are more dramatic than
(10:10):
they were then. Maybe I could be wrong, but I
don't know if I feel that's the case.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
I feel like some of the stunts from the eighties
and nineties were like the people died like people, They
put their lives.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
On the line a little more, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
Yeah, Like uh, and I'm pleased, I'm not I'm not
a pro wrestling well and also like, what is it? Uh,
I'm sorry, I'm gonna miss quote this, but it's like
Rage in the Cage or you know, the stuff where
like guys were jumping off of like two story basically
lengths and falling on each other and Helen Cel Yeah yeah,
(10:45):
rage in the Cage.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
But but there was there was stuff that were they
were in the nineties. These people were when these people
were putting their lives on the line to entertain.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
People, they were not putting their lives.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
Oh, they absolutely were, doug They absolutely were. There were
times where guys were jumping off of like forty feet
up and you know, someone could break your neck, and
you know, people are I mean, you know you had
you had time. I remember watching a documentary and it
was called like it was like selling. It was called
like selling the you know, selling the sports, selling out
(11:15):
is what they called it. It was like you'd take
a razor blade, you have it hidden under your thumb
and you'd like wipe your brow and you'd cut your
like it was real blood and stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Yeah, it was. It was all predetermined.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
But I would definitely call these guys athletes, I absolutely would.
And I think there's a lot of crossover between sports
and pro wrestling. You say, George Kittle is basically setting
up his next career uh in pro wrestling by kind
of the the persona he puts on the field now
and in in interviews.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
But is it sports? It's not, it's not. Why is
it a sport?
Speaker 6 (11:42):
It's not.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
I didn't say it's a sport. I said they're athletes, athletes, But.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
But they're athletic actors. They're not athletes.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Okay, we're arguing semantics here. I don't think it's competition.
It's predetermined competition. But they are athletes because they are.
They have to be in certain shape, they have to
you know, it's not competition. There's a I think there's
a difference there.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Like was uh uh Andre the Giant? Was he an athlete?
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Sure? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, he was just a giant. He walked around things
around him.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Was not but he used his body, He used his body.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
If he was athletic at all, he would have played
in the NBA. That's an athlete.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Wasn't he a world champion drinker?
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Though?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Outside the ring? I mean, I've heard stories.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
We have all kinds of ways of defining athletes. Now,
Joey chestnuts an athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
I guess right, No, he's not an athlete. No, he's
eating his nuts.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
I guess we can. We can, we can disagree on that.
But these some of these guys, you know, you can't.
You can't be a you know, a fat club in
the ring. You'll get hurt worse. I definitely think these
guys are athletes, just this way. I'd say that, like,
you know, stock car drivers are athletes. It's just a
different kind of athlete.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Uh, it's the Doug ottlib Show on Fix Sports Radio. Okay,
So so Sam you how old are you? Sam?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Thirty eight?
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Right? So I think, Ilo, how old are you?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
None of your mind, forty five.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Forty five? So I'm like, I'm forty nine. I think
the cutoff is it's like I loo and maybe forty two,
forty three, Like, let's just go forty above, forty and above.
I can almost guarantee you we'll try this via tweet
and Instagram. Hey, I'm guessing that if you're forty years older,
(13:33):
there was a time in your life where people were
arguing and you may have been like me, it was
like it's fake the whole time. But there's a time
in your life when somebody ye that you care about
thought it was real. My dad, Wow, how could it
be fake? And then some things would be so over
the top fake you'd be like, how can you fake
(13:54):
that fall? How can you? How can you do it?
But you can and they did. And yes, accidents happened,
but Ackson's happened on movie sets as well. So things
do happen. Guys go boom, they're athletics, they're just stunt men.
But the point is that there was there was this
(14:15):
window where people enough people thought it might be real.
They just they just did. They did a good enough
job of selling it. It was positioned in a way
where they were larger than life sports figures. I remember
I flew cross country when I was let's see here,
I think it was I want to say eighth grade, right,
(14:36):
so I'm fourteen, that's nineteen ninety. I flew cross country
around Christmas time to stay with my uncle who lived
in Stanford, Connecticut. I flew NonStop Melics to JFK and
Hulk Hogan was sitting in first class. But he arrived
like late and was like the first one off the
(14:57):
plane was like escorted on and escorted off. I'm telling
you next to Ronald Reagan, he was probably the biggest.
He was that big. He was literally that big. I mean,
I think of all the actors of that time, but
for our generation, and I Loo, I'll circle you into that.
Even though you're a little younger than me, Hulk Hogan
(15:20):
was huge. Remember they sold out the Silverdome ninety three
thousand people. I'll never forget that, right all for all
for was it Super Slam or whatever, what wrest WrestleMania three.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
You're and you're absolutely right about capturing just how big
he was at that exact time in America. I would
say mid eighties was his absolute peak, especially with kids.
You know, uh, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, the
thirty one inch pythons, sayings like that. You absolutely captured
(16:00):
at that time how big he was in this country.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
All right, Tess, So so send us a send us
a tweet message on ig how old were we? How
old were you? When you're like, this is not real?
This is this is not real. Coming up next to
the Doug out Leaves show, Andrew Brandt's going to join us, Well,
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(16:23):
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Show Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having a great day.
It's the summer, middle of summer, right, slugging it out,
talking uh fake wrestling. It is interesting though, right, like
I'm I'm listening and we were acting like the Pope died.
(19:24):
And don't get me wrong, there was a time when
Hulk Hogan was bigger than the Pope. But yeah, I
don't know, he was somebody we should be idolizing, memorializing,
even on the day of his passing. That's that's just me.
That's how I that's how I roll. Andrew Brandt in
a moment talk some NFL contracts and and and really
(19:47):
what it's like when guys run out there in pads
for the first time, when you remember the front office
as he used to be. But first, let me get
you to Isaac Low and Kron get a quick update
and everything in sports Ilo all.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Right, Doug Indeed Pro wrestling jian Hulk Hogan passed away
at the age of seventy one after he suffered a
cardiac arrest at his home in Clearwater, Florida. Again. He
was seventy one years old. In the National Football League,
New York Jets quarterback Justin Fields dislocated a toe on
his right foot in practice today, but Fields is expected
to be ready for the regular season opener against the
(20:20):
Pittsburgh Steelers. Elsewhere, an MRI I confirmed that Miami Dolphins
cornerback Already Burns tore his ACL in practice yesterday. Burns
is expected to miss the twenty twenty five season and
one Major League Baseball game going on right now in Cleveland.
The Baltimore Orioles, despite two home runs by Stephen Kuan,
lead the Cleveland Guardians four to three in the bottom
(20:43):
half of the eighth inning.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Doug, back to you, Stug Gottlieb Show Fox sports radio.
Andrew Brant joins us. Of course, he has the Sunday
seven newslector. He's the executive director of the Mora d
Center at Villanova teaching sports business. This is the guru
you want to know why anything's done business wise, especially
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(21:04):
out the Sunday seven newsletter. Andrew, Let let's start with
a yearly discussion in the Dallas Cowboys and the methodology
behind Jerry Jones. Right, I'd rather wait to wait too
long than sign a guy too early. Last year, of course,
he acquiesced and signed Dak Prescott, who missed half the season.
(21:26):
What are your thoughts on Micah Parsons and why he
has an ink to long term deal?
Speaker 9 (21:32):
Yeah? Good, be with you, Doug. It is every year
we talk about it. It's just a modus operandi with
the Cowboys that I don't understand. No one seems to
understand it. I'll give you a couple possible rationales, although
they don't make a ton of sense. But it's basically
he waits and waits and waits, and sometimes makes even
remarks that could seem disparaging, like he did the other day,
(21:54):
but at the end of the day pays top of
the market. He paid top of the market for Ceedee Lamb,
who actually missed camp almost with a blessing, unlike Parsons
who's there. And then, as everyone knows, he paid Prescott
on two hours before the opening game against Cleveland last year.
They'd been negotiating all summer with a contract at fifty
(22:14):
five fifty six million a year, and he gave him
sixty million a year, the biggest contract in the history
of the sport. I would estimate it all happen with Parsons.
I would think, you know, over under September third, we're
going to see a huge contract for Parsons and maybe
the highest non quarterback contract in history, more than JJ
(22:35):
Watt I'm sorry, TJ Watt, and more than Michael maybe
even Miles at Cleveland. Yeah, Miles got to Cleveland. So
it's going to happen. Here's my thought on why I've
racked my brain. Maybe he just thinks they might get hurt,
you know, and then the contracts on hold, so it
(22:57):
could get hurt between now and September or whenever he
does the deal. And the other thing again, it sounds trite.
But with someone like Jared Jones who counts his money,
maybe he just would rather have it in his account
instead of Parsons account until the last possible minute. It's
the only explanations I can come up.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
With, all right, I mean, we're all trying to figure
it out. Drew Brandt joins us the business of sports
is his domain. Okay, take me to Cleveland, right, guy
leads him in sacks two consecutive years, but he's over
the age of thirty. But they put all this money
into offense. And before we get to not having your
(23:40):
first round draft pick under contract yet, let's start with
the defensive side of the ball. What do you think
of the Bengals and that statement from Mike Brown as
to why they haven't come to terms.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Yeah, again, Hendrickson's another weird one. It's a little different
than Dallas because we know, at the end of the day,
Dallas is going to pay top of the market. I
don't since that at all about Mike Brown and Cincinnati.
They're always the most penurious team in the league. I've
experienced that as an agent many years ago, and even
as a colleague. They're tough. Before we get to the
(24:19):
rookie I think Hendrickson will get done. I think it'll
get done in the next couple of weeks. I don't
think he'll be at the level of eventually Parsons, of
Garrett of what maybe not of Max Crosby. So it
may not be high thirties, but it'll be a lot
more than he's making now. And I just think they'll
(24:41):
both realize this is where we are. So, you know,
best guests thirty two million a year or something like that,
which is great, but it's not top of the market.
I just think that's where the Browns are. The tougher one.
Doug is that rookie. And again people have asked me
a lot about this. CBA does basically determine what you're
(25:03):
going to make in a rookie contract. We know what
Schamarsh threw at their top pick is going to make,
how much bonus, how much per year. What it doesn't
tell you is how to negotiate the contract beyond that,
how many guarantees, what's the language like, what's the offsets?
And here are The issue is language. So Mike Brown
and the Bengals want to impose language that other teams use.
(25:25):
We use in Green Bay. The Eagles have it. The
Rams have it. If you have a default at any
point in the contract, and default can be defined as
a suspension, a conduct, detrimental discipline, something that takes you
off the field, and it can be even broader than that.
The rest of the contract loses its guarantees. So this
is going to be a four year guaranteed contract. If
(25:47):
something were to happen in year one, he'd still have
the contract, but it wouldn't be guaranteed. And they're trying
to impose this as they've never had it before. They
don't anything against Shamar Stewart, although the language from Mike
Brown was really disturbing, you know, but they just want
(26:08):
impose in their contracts so that next year, the year
after and forever. This is not a negotiation. They say, well,
now we got it in our contracts, so it's always
tough to do the first time. But they've been behind
other teams and getting this in.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Is it an unreasonable ask what Mike Brown's trying to
get through.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Yes and no, No, because other teams have it. Yes,
because they had a number one sick last year who's
picked lower than Shamar Stewart. He didn't have it and
Their response is, well, here we go. We're starting in
twenty twenty five. It all comes down optionality, Doug, as
you know, and leverage. I don't see Shamar Stewart having
(26:49):
any other options. And people he's not going back to
Texas A and M Please, No, he's not. He'd have
to win a lawsuit that would take months off years.
He is has no options, so I think he'll sign.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I tend to agree with you. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show only on Fox Sports Radio. We're so happy
to be joined by the Guru of business himself, that's
Andrew Brant. Andrew, there's a change in leadership in Green Bay, right,
and what's that mean for how the Packers do business.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
I don't think much because before my time, my time
and since my time, the president is important and obviously
directs the franchise from a leadership view, from strategy, from
doing a lot off the field, with real estate, with politics,
with buying up land around Titletown. But there's a tremendous
(27:48):
difference in the Packers and always has been to the
football operation. They don't get involved. Now. They could fire
the coach, they could hire the coach, they could fire
the GM. I get that, but there is deference to
when it was Ron Wolfer, Ted Thompson now Brian gudukunst
to run the team the way they want and not
(28:09):
get involved in their tech management, and not get involved
in who they pick, and not get involved in free
agency discussions. So the Packers are a very much in
your lane team where coaches coach, scout scout, management manages,
and general manager picks the players. So I don't think
it'll change too much. Policy is a longtime fixture. As
(28:31):
everyone knows his father with the forty nine ers in Browns.
It's a royalty name in the NFL. He'll fit in seamlessly,
has been there a while. So yeah, and I was
asked about him and the whole process, and I was
very pro policy because I thought continuity is always important
in any organization.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Hey, So, Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio,
what do you make of the turmoil atop the NFLPA.
Speaker 9 (29:02):
You know, Doug, it's been a mess a long time,
and this is just another indication that there's been an
air of secrecy of veil around that organization since Chenopshall
left and people have reached out to me former players
ask me that same question. I just I think it
(29:23):
needs a revamp. It reads a redo. It it has
to allow for some transparency. I don't know what they've
done negotiation wise, where they give away a seventeenth game,
they give away economic concessions, and all they end up
with is better practice time and reduced padded practices. I mean,
someone's got to get in there and say we're a
real union. We're not just going to say, well, we'll
(29:43):
never strike. We have too many players like do something
about it. And this latest thing is just, you know,
my action is everyone's reaction. How in the world did
they end up with this guy who has no football knowledge,
no football experience, and has all these personal piccadillos that
we've now found out about. And I mean, you couldn't
(30:04):
ask for a worse process. So I don't know. I
mean I'm looking at it like you are and like,
what the heck? What is going on with these people?
So hopefully it's a whole reset. I know players want that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah. Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Andrew
Brandt is our guest because of because of the allegations
of collusion, right which which came out. There's this continued
talk of the fully guaranteed contracts, and again I'll be
(30:37):
fully I'll fully disclose to you. A lot of the
people I talked to summer agents, but a lot of
them are on the front office side and their their stances, like, Hey,
the only ones pushing for all this stuff is the agents.
Because there is that the fully guaranteed contracts would happen,
they would just be less money in less years than
(30:58):
people want to have happened. And the reason that hasn't
happened is because the agents want to win. You know,
the the tweet that says my guy got two on
it right, the pr to it. What's the reality beat?
You know this game way better than anybody else. What's
the reality to Who's behind the push for the fully guaranteed,
(31:20):
lengthy contracts?
Speaker 9 (31:23):
Well, I think it's I guess I'll say this. It
has to start somewhere. We talked about this for three years.
Deshaun Watson set the stage. Regardless of what you think
of him, what do you think of the Browns? It
was there and we just talked about precedent with the
Cincinnati Bengals. I'm a lawyer, president's everything. So their president
(31:43):
was there, and those three people that brought the grievance,
Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray faced against an uphill
battle with that precedent where the teams are like, no,
we don't think that's precedent. And in those three situation,
I think there was collusion and I think there was
bad acting. So in terms of who's behind it, it's
(32:06):
just trying to break the seal. Whether it will trickle
down beyond elite quarterbacks ever, I don't think so. I
just don't think the league's built that way, and all
the reasons you just mentioned, but I think those three quarterbacks,
and then behind them was Burrow and Hertz and Herbert,
you know there's no reason it shouldn't be. And the
(32:27):
team can say, which they do say, is well, he's
Patrick Mahomes, he's Josh Allen, he's Joe Burrow. It's like
it's guaranteed. Well, if it's really like it's guaranteed, you
just guarantee it. Because without the guarantee, you know, the
team still has leverage, Like if you have a bad performance,
they can reduce your contract because you're under contract. So
(32:48):
I think it's a it's a limited sample size, so
maybe fifteen quarterbacks they should have that. There should there's
no reason they shouldn't.
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Speaker 1 (33:14):
So I think four four hundred and thirty million dollars
in revenue, and we only know that because they're they're
a publicly owned company, which means every team got four
hundred and thirty right, that's every.
Speaker 9 (33:25):
Team before they turn the lights on, they got four
hundred thirty million dollars.
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iHeartRadio App. Welcome in. I hope you having a great day.
The Doug gott Leap Show broadcasting from coast to coast
on a daily basis. And uh, our guy Ross Tucker
is going to join us as we get you ready
for an NFL season. You know, and I guess my
question going in the season. I know they didn't win
(34:52):
the Super Bowl Eagles did Eagles have a lot of
questions because you lost your offensive coordinator, right, and but
it still feels like they have better talent than most people.
It's not everybody, but there are definitely some moving pieces there.
And then for the Kansady Chiefs, will there be a
moment where the league catch us up to him? Offensive
(35:14):
line is still a mess and you know, didn't play
well in the Super Bowl. But like, I'm not gonna
be the guy that counts out the Chiefs. I mean,
how many years in a row are we talking about?
This is the year that they level off and they
just have not. So we'll catch up with Ross Tucker upcoming.
But we do this every Thursday, and it's a great
way to kind of play the way back machine. Jason
(35:35):
Stewart's not here, not because his Dodgers didn't win. They
actually won last night. Pretty planned day off, although the
previous day's offer only because the Dodgers had lost. But
he came with this, But it's a great idea. It's
called don't call a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
All right, Patrick? All right, what's the year we're throwing
it back to?
Speaker 5 (36:04):
All Right, Doug, So here's what we're doing. It's customary
that I interrupt you with Jackson fair point. You all
take it from here, Doug, go ahead, say that, go ahead,
so all take it from here, Doug, that's your best.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Jason Steward, Well, we're gonna go with the year nineteen
ninety six. Why did I choose nineteen ninety six? Well,
with Hulk Hogan's rest in peace to him today. With
that being said, he actually turned into Hollywood Hulk Hogan
in nineteen ninety six, So I'm like, hey, you know what,
why don't we use that That was a prominent moment
in his career.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Let's do that.
Speaker 10 (36:38):
So with that said, we're going nineteen ninety six. I
was also alive during that point. I'm not gonna say
how young I was, but I was alive.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
So we got that.
Speaker 10 (36:47):
So that said, let's go with the sports, the first
one I got going sports. With the sports going first,
we got the Summer Olympics were hosted in Atlanta, and
that actually was the US women's national soccer team won
their first Olympic golden medal there. So that happened in
nineteen ninety six in the Summer of Olympics in Atlanta.
(37:07):
We'll see what else we go, Oh, NBA Finals, All right,
this was the Chicago hold on, slow down, holding on,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Okay, So Patrick, Yes, I love you.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
This is Doug who lived through it, and Patrick, who's
like reading it on the end.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, it's like it and the US swimmen's soccer team
would it?
Speaker 10 (37:28):
Like?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
No, dude, that's not what the Olympics were known for.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I was one years old. Give me, give me a
little bit of slack.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I'm no, but you volunteered and put yourself out there.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
Fair, that's fair.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
Ilo.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
The Olympics in Atlanta were known for three things? What
were they?
Speaker 3 (37:46):
I was going to get to what I think was
one of them. But aside from that, the other two
unfortunately the bombing and and Centennial Park and Carrie, Oh,
Carrie Strong. I'd forgotten how big about shrug? Right, I forgot,
but that was huge back.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
In the day.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
It was so huge she parlayed that into a cameo
on nine O two one zero. It's unbelievable, Doug, and
you would attest to it how big the carry strug
thing was back then.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, So Patrick, do you have any idea what we're
talking about? Absolutely not, No, Like he doesn't even know
who Bella Coroli is.
Speaker 6 (38:26):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
That sounds like something you can carry.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
That sounds like something you'd order on like uber eat tonight, Like,
hey guys, there's some Bella. This place has got Bella Coroli.
Really yeah, that's I don't know. I don't like to
eat that outside like the restaurant.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
So fresher en house. Ye, can't take it to go definitely.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Definitely can't take that Bella Coroli. And by the way,
Bella Corole rip right, didn't he die? I want to
say he died this year anyway? I digress.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Uh, yeah, he he died. He died no member of
twenty twenty four, So you're correct.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
So in the last three hundred and sixty five days,
there we go. So Carrie Shrug sprained her ankle, the
levels of which we don't know, but she completed I
want to say, a gold medal in the vault on
one leg and like landed on one leg, right, and
it was seen as a heroic moment, and it's it's
(39:24):
in the course of actual performance in the ninety six Olympics.
It's what I think is the most memorable moment, right
is that fair? I love?
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Oh absolutely? I mean she was literally America's sweetheart. I
mean you could not turn on NBC for like three
days after that without seeing Carrie strug Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
And then the Olympic bombing was what they were? What
was what the games? What was the guy who got blamed.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Richard Jewell, the security guard who was actually, as it
turned out, a hero and actually saved people by clearing
the area. And he was found guilty by the court
of public opinion until they found out it was actually
Eric Robert Rudolph years later.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Did you guys ever see that movie Richard Jewel that
came out in twenty nineteen, heard it was really good.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
No, I saw a documentary about him, but not the movie.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So also, I think Andrea Iguessie one, I think that
was the first year they had ten Was that the
first year of tennis? I'm I'm forgetting, but remember this
is when they started allowing pros in the Olympics as well.
And yes, women's soccer was kind of a thing, but
that was because I want to say, that was the
first time they had women's soccer in the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
And they played it, if my memory serves me, out
of all places between the hedges at Sanford Stadium in Athens.
And you know what, I was gonna mention this so
I might as well do it now as part of
the nineteen ninety six Olympics, and it's so crazy. Before
I knew we were going to talk about this today,
I actually thought about this morning for the first time
(40:59):
in a long time. But one of my most memorable
moments in sports history the lighting of the torch that
year at the opening.
Speaker 7 (41:08):
Yes, it was.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
It was a total surprise. Nobody knew that it was
going to be It was going to be him. And
I'll play it for you here. This is Janet Evans
going up a long, tall, winding ramp at Centennial Olympic Stadium,
which was later converted into Turner Field, the Home of
the Braves, and all of a sudden, Muhammad Ali emerges
(41:32):
out of the darkness. The whole stadium gasps. And here's
how it sounded on NBC with Bob Costas and Dick
Enberg as a league got ready to light the torch
in nineteen ninety six at the Olympics.
Speaker 7 (41:45):
But look who gets it next?
Speaker 11 (41:50):
But gregis, once the most dynamic figure, is so gregarious
man now trapped inside that mask created by Parkinson syndrome,
so in one sense of poignant figure.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
But look out him still.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
A great, great presence, still exuding nobility in stature, and
the response of Volkes's part affection, part excitement, but especially respect.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Just a spine tingling moment that I'll always remember.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Nineteen ninety six a huge year in the NBA. That
was when the Chicago Bulls won of then records seventy
two games. And that was also the year that Kobe
Bean Bryant was drafted thirteenth overall by the Charlotte Hornets,
only on a draft day trade to be traded to
the LA Lakers. Nineteen ninety six in the NBA, do.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
You guys remember can we go back just to carry scrug?
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Is that straw shrug?
Speaker 6 (42:58):
I'm just struggling right now.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
I was at the year which you guys have.
Speaker 5 (43:04):
Okay, you didn't no, I know, I didn't know I did.
I just forgot it was And listen, Okay, I'm just
being full, fully transparent.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Exactly. That's the thing I love about iowash Sam. When
she's wrong about something, he's wrong about it in like
a really entertaining way.
Speaker 6 (43:20):
Good.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Well, she she came on SNL and she did this
sketch with Chris Catan as her like fictional brother Skippy.
I remember that being very funny because Chris Chris Catan
was like a huge deal in SNL in the late nineties,
and do you remember her coming on anyway? Sorry, you
know what, maybe when Kobe being Bryant, I'm doing my
best Jason here wearing all that today. Maybe you know,
(43:43):
when Kobe being Brian came into the NBA, he might
have been listening to this song on his walkman.
Speaker 6 (43:55):
Yes, I brought up the.
Speaker 5 (43:59):
I brought up with Quad Cities earlier is where Seth
Rollins was from. But this is like to the Quad
City DJs from the state of Florida. Yes, and they
would have a few more hits, but that was that year.
In nineteen ninety six was let's see that was a
number eleven on the Billboard Hot one hundred by the
end of the year.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, I remember ninety ninety six, jam I visited I
was my ninety six ninety seven was the season I
went to gold must College, didn't play basketball pranks for
the team, and visited Alabama. That song was playing at
the Husks. Good time was had by all the Husks
(44:38):
ninety six in the NFL, and again remember you gotta
get you gotta be careful with ninety six because the
ninety six season became the ninety seven Super Bowl, Right,
that was a year it was won by the Green
Bay Packers led by Brett farre who take down the
New England Patriots, who were led by Drew Bledsoe and
(45:01):
Bill Parcells.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Yes, indeed, and that was Parcells's last game because Will mcdonnough,
the late father of Sean mcdonoughh broke the news the
day before the Super Bowl that Parcells was leaving to
coach the New York Jets. I would say, that's a distraction.
You know, you're getting ready to play the Super Bowl.
If you fight out your head coach isn't even gonna
fly back with you on the way home. And what
(45:29):
Desmond Howard, former Heisman Trophy winner, was the Super Bowl
MVP that year as he returned the key kickoff all
the way back for a touchdown. And that was also
the year that the Yankees, Right, the Yankees started their
dynasty nineteen ninety six, and Derek Jeter was a rookie
and GITA number two GITA shortstop Derek Eric Shee too.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Geta did you know that that were series? I don't
how much you remember of it? Yankee started up down
two games to none. They lost the first two games
at home at Yankee Stadium. Absolutely went back to Fulton
County Stadium and began a progression, winning four straight. Yeah,
Fulton County Stadium.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Old Fulton County Stadium. Yeah, in the most dramatic way possible.
That was the Jim Layritz tying home run in Game four.
They win game five to one to nothing, and then
they came home and they won the World Series in
nineteen ninety six, and that was the start of the
Yankees dynasty. But yeah, that's a great point. They lost
(46:37):
the first two at home, everybody thought they were toast
and then they then they came back to win the
nineteen ninety six World Series and then start the dynasty.
Let me think is was this the year we're talking about?
Speaker 7 (46:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Okay, so the National Championship in college basketball that year,
Doug was one by John excuse me, Rick Patino's Kentucky
Wildcats over Syracuse.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
But what that was.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Most notable to me about or for me, was that
that was the last time a final exactly it was
played at the Meadowlands in New Jersey. That was the
last time that an n C double a Final Four
and National Championship game was not played in a dome,
(47:31):
and I actually think that. I think we might have
talked about it on this show before, but I think
they'd be they do, well, it'll never happen because it
makes too it makes too much sense. But I think
they should move it back into an arena. I think
it makes so much money. And yeah, exactly, that's why
it'll never happen. That's why I'll never happen.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
So I love let me just I'm just gonna help
you with the math here. Okay, what do you think
the average ticket the Final four is?
Speaker 11 (47:58):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Geez, I mean in a dome. Let's say let's say
one hundred and twenty bucks.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
Okay, average, Now you're way off, just because remember there's
three games. It's a lot more than that. Okay, but
let's let's say the average ticket, like, do you want
to go a two hundred fus low? But okay, two
hundred what is two hundred times seventy five thousand?
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Hey, it ain't my money, I understand that.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
No, no, no, I just want to do this for
math real quick, because I've done this before. Sam, do
you got your calculator out.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Calculating right now, what is he ai?
Speaker 3 (48:32):
So you want to two hundred dollars time seventy five thousand,
fifteen million, right?
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Okay. Now, let's increase the price of each ticket to
five hundred dollars a ticket, so you're going two point
five x okay? What is okay? What is five hundred
times twenty thousand? If you had twenty thousand in one
of the biggest arenas in the country, could you please
(49:00):
calculate that.
Speaker 5 (49:01):
We all know the answer to it anyway, ten million
dollars okay, A seven million dollars shortfall.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
Yeah, Like I said, it ain't never gonna happen.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
So if the tickets were expensive enough, you could move
it back to a smaller arena, But that just is
gonna squeeze people out.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
No, it'll never have you guys on the money, that's clear.
But what I'm saying is that from an esthetics point
of view.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
No, it's it's a real basketball game and a real
basketball arena exactly. But it's never gonna happen again. And
you're right, by the way. Nineteen ninety six college football season,
which wrapped up in nineteen ninety seven, was the Florida
Gators of the national champion coached by the headball coach
(49:48):
Steve Spurrier. Hell, well, we got two quarterbacks. Go out there,
see we got one. He doesn't get a job done,
I get somebody else in there. Yep, you'd like to
play Georgia first game the season. I always have a
couple guys.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
That's not bad.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Bad ball coach, that's not bad.
Speaker 4 (50:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
We we created when I was at one of the
other places I worked at, we created the Spurrier zone, right,
what's the spurs So Bill Simmons is the author of
the Tyson zone. The Tyson zone is Mike. The stories
about Mike Tyson are so crazy. But there's not a
story about Mike Tyson you wouldn't believe to be true. Correct,
Like if you said Mike Tyson fought a bear, you'd
(50:26):
be like, yeah, I can see that. Steve Spurrier had
the Spurrier zone. We created that, which is he's so
accomplished in the sport of college football. You know, Heisman
Trophy winner, National champion at Florida before Florida was really
invested in terms of their facilities in the sport. One
at Duke got South Carolina to Atlanta to the SEC
(50:48):
Championship game, that there's nothing, nothing holding it. He could
speak his mind and say whatever the hell he wanted.
The Spurrier Zone loved Steve Spurrier.
Speaker 3 (50:57):
Hey, by the way, said you brought up Mike Tyson.
Nineteen ninety six was also the year that he met
Evander Holyfield for the first time. The second time in
nineteen ninety seven was the infamous biting incident. But here's
how the first fight between Tyson and holy Field ended.
In nineteen ninety.
Speaker 7 (51:13):
Six, Holy share day, I got her pretty shortness.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
That was a t ko of Tyson by holy Field,
and up until that point that was just the second
time that Tyson had ever lost in forty some for fights. Obviously,
the first was to Buster Douglas in nineteen ninety and
then of course the ear biting incident would be the
following year.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
And that's don't Oh we haven't even done movies, have we.
Speaker 10 (51:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:53):
Independ's Day, Independence Day?
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Oh, gosh, Independence Day? Well was that ninety six? Ninety Oh? No,
you're right, it was ninety six.
Speaker 6 (52:02):
Good job, I got you.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Jerry maguire, Jerry McGuire. Titanic, Oh, I think Titanic was
ninety seven. I want to say sometimes there's some overlap. Yeah, Twister.
Oh that was a big one.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Original sister first Mission Impossible movie versus the Mission Ipossible movies.
Speaker 6 (52:23):
It's a really good.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
Right because that's back when Will Smith owned into Penn's day,
not just the movie, but he had well. It was
like four consecut years of the big blockbuster, back when
people used to go good movies. Patrick, people used to
plan on going to movies on the fourth of July
to see Will Smith. Anyway, it's a long time ago,
and that's don't call it throwback Thursday.
Speaker 7 (52:46):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
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