August 6, 2025 • 47 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains why Louis Riddick and anyone else is wrong when they say Shedeur Sanders is being set up to fail.
In this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about the great interviewers.
Doug welcomes FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan onto the show to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the NFL headlines.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.
Find your local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at
Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day
on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Boom of America
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. For over forty years,
(00:28):
tyreq has been helping customers find the right tires, how what,
where they drive shit fast and free back by free
road has to protection with convenient slation options like multire
Slation tyrit dot com. The way tire buying should be.
We'll get to some Dodger baseball upcoming in the show.
Uh got a lot to get to. Man, it's a
(00:49):
good day. It's say Wednesday, it's a hump day. That
means we got the Midway. I think you enjoy the Midway.
I want to Yeah, Midway.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
About I want to talk about the I don't think
it's retirement, but Howard Stern is leaving serious axem talk
about the business that I I work in. Jay stew
has worked in Dan Byer's worked in for all of
(01:20):
us over twenty years. Sam, you're on what you were
you on?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sam? You're over a decade in, aren't you in radio? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So that's a lot of experience we'll share with our
thoughts of Howard Stern. I don't know if he's calling
it quits or if I don't know if he's done,
if he's going to do his own thing. I'm gonna
launch a podcast, you know, the thing we all think,
we all do. Speaking of which, this show is available
in podcast form in the meantime, I want to play
for you something I saw on TV and I was
like what And then I heard Cowherd call him out
(01:55):
without calling him out again. That's probably the art of
cow Herd is many people he can call out and
he doesn't name their names, really smarter than what I do.
Whereas I just name their names. I don't care. It's
your words. You said it, you own it. If I
say it, I own it as well, as long as
it's not taken out of context. Right, Okay, So Shadoor
Sanders is going to start for the Browns in their
first preseason game as Dan Bayer told you yesterday. That's
(02:19):
because Joe Flacco is old.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You don't want him getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And you know the other two quarterbacks, Dylan Gabriel, who's
drafted ahead of him, he's hurt. You know, both quarterbacks
in front of him are injured. So he's going to
get a chance to start. But I want you to
listen to something that Lewis Ridicks said. Okay, remember Lewis
Ridick was a scout in the NFL. He's he's been
on a kind of a jet back to success working
(02:42):
at ESPN. Here was his take on Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps,
They play a whole half of a game and then
(03:09):
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake. Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach,
I never was in there in practice. You never even
talked to me during practice, But now you expect me
to know that's what they're gonna expect of him. But
if anyone can get it done, it's this kid, because
he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, they're making it out like the world is out
to get Shador Sanders. And this is one of the
most obnoxious things anyone could ever say, when it's about
themselves or about somebody else who was born on third base. Right, Sure,
it's difficult to start a preseason game. What's more difficult
(03:52):
starting your first preseason game or getting thrown in there
in the fourth quarter with the fourth stringers trying to
make I mean, Lewis Riddick like, you can mask it
all you want. You're obviously rooting for Shaundore Sanders, which
is okay, okay, But to make it out like Kevin
Stefanski is gonna do this kid wrong. Have you been
to Browns camp? Have you talked to Stefanski? Of course
(04:15):
you haven't. You been on set of ESPN, So not
saying you don't have sources in the league. You do,
but you're just making assumptions like, oh, this is what
they're gonna do, and I know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna hold them to a higher standard.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
But if anybody can do it, super snor.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Sanders can do it, why would that be the case?
What would the purpose be? I mean, just like again,
let's just ask ourselves very honestly. The Browns are in
quarterback purgatory, right, quarterback purgatory. They had to feel like
(04:56):
they didn't have a chance to draft, or maybe they
didn't want a quarterback in this year's draft. That's why
they trade it out of what the number two spot
and traded down right, So maybe they wait for a year.
But if the idea is well, they're waiting for your
If Shador Sanders hits, okay, they get the steal of
(05:17):
the draft. If relevance matters to you, you'll be very relevant.
But it doesn't matter. They simply want somebody who's good.
And oh yeah, by the way, he'll be inexpensive. He's
a fifth round draft pick. He costs you nothing. I mean,
(05:38):
this is Brock Party two point zero, only he was
evaluated at a higher level than brock perty even though
brock Purty different but very successful college quarterback who had
some similar struggles late in his college career because he
was playing at Iowa State. He wasn't playing at Oklahoma.
(05:59):
But this idea, idea that the world's out to get
shod or Sanders. Oh, I know how this works. They're
gonna set him up for failure. That's what Lewis Reddick said.
They're setting him up for failure. They're gonna ask him
to do things.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
How do you know that? Why would they do that?
What would the purpose be of it?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And the idea that, well, this is just so incredibly difficult.
The only guy that could do is to shoot or standers.
I'm telling you right now. Do you think it's more
difficult and you probably don't have all of the ones
to play with half the ones and twos? Or to
come in the second half of the first preseason game
as the four stringer and play with four stringers, especially
a quarterback who is not the most mobile, holds onto
(06:43):
the ball too long, and is in a new offense.
Which one do you think is a more difficult task?
And the idea that a team that owns the rights
to a guy who some people had as a first
round pick on their board falls to the fifth round,
(07:05):
and they don't want to take advantage of what could
be an absolute gift in terms of salaries, right because
remember they're still they still have Deshaun Watson under contract.
Deshaun Watson is still under contract with the Cleveland Browns.
I believe he gets paid the next two years.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
They reworked his deal in this offseason. He's got two
He tours Achilles ten in twice, so he's not going
to play this year. He's he doesn't get paid by
the team. He gets paid probably by insurance. But it
does hit the books. If they can have a rookie
quarterback on a fifth round contract and they can jettison
(07:46):
you know, Huntley who they just signed h and all
the other court like they let's just kind of call
it like it is, they'll be have a chance to
be the Niners two point er, where you pay your
quarterback nothing and you load up your roster with dudes
that I can really play things that NFL teams don't do.
(08:11):
You know, again, unless Sador has actually like a complete
ass the whole time, Unless he has made himself into
a pariah. And if he was made into a pariah,
they would have already cut him. They would have already
moved on sign multiple quarterback. Well, why they signed Tyler
Huntley because you need more guys to throw footballs. You
can't have one guy throwing two hundred balls every day
(08:32):
at practice and everybody else's hurt. You heard Dan Bayer
yesterday and say, hey, everybody else's hurt. There's a good
friend of mine who's been a general manager in the NFL,
and he used to tell me that when I'd ask
him about these types of things, he was like, honestly,
you're watching football from an entertainment perspective. It doesn't work
(08:54):
that way. The only thing we care about is if
we can win. How can we win games? And you
can win games when you have more money to play
with for the rest of your roster, and if you
have Shodoor Sanders any really good enough and he go
in there and not screw it up and just throw
the ball. We're it's supposed to throw it. If he
doesn't have it, throw it away.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know, get.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Everybody what anything to get. Let's make it super simple
for you. You're just a rookie. You lineup, you might
hand the ball off nine times and ten. Great if
you can do that, and we can save a bunch
of money, we can build up a roster around you.
But he say, I never forget this. I'd say this
with Jason earlier today, like that's entertainment. And yeah, ESPN
(09:39):
the E does tam for entertainment. But there's no E
in NFL. There's win games or get a new job.
So the idea that they would rather make Shador Sanders
look bad by elevating him too soon despite a lack
of practice reps is comical. By the way, the job
of a backup quarterback is, if you have no reps,
(10:02):
figure out a way to get it done in the game.
Just kiss, keep it simple, stupid. But I told you
guys this yesterday and I mean it. Shador Sanders is
going to be the new Kaepernick if he gets cut
by the Browns. Every time a quarterback goes down, you'll
have somebody go. You know, they should sign Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Why I put you Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app I hope you're doing great. The Doug gott
Leap Show broadcast live every day at this time. Plus
we get the podcast and with the iHeartRadio app, you
can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch us
on all of our Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty
four to seven the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just
search Fox Sports Tradio the app to stream us live
all day every day and after you select Foxports Radios
(10:51):
one of your presets in the iHeart Radio app, it
will always pop up on top of your screen always. Uh,
it's a Wednesday. It is a game week Wednesday, right
because we got football games are gonna be played. Every
NFL team will have had a preseason game by the
time we get By the time we get back to Monday,
(11:12):
everyone will have played a game every single one. So
it's a little bit different Wednesday. We got a lot
to get to. But I love this segment of the show.
We it's the middle of the week, it's the middle
of the day. Heck, if you count our podcasts the
middle of our show. Let's play the Midway. He's not
getting the middle with you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's time for the.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, guys, whole cruise here, Jay stew Iowa, Sam Dan
Byer and myself. So here's what I want to do.
I tweeted out earlier today with Howard Stern and his show,
I never gets canceled his shows, he's he didn't get
re upped.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I who knows. And I would love Jay Stu.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I would love for you to share what you showed
me when you knew this was coming two days ago
and I didn't hear it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But I just want to talk about who does what
best because I think that that Stern the bits are
what made him famous, right the bubba buwe and you know,
a lot of the nudity stuff and it wasn't even
sexual innuendo. Like I thought, the show got a lot
less clever when he went off of Trust for Radio
(12:33):
because there were just things you could just say whatever
you wanted to say. But I thought when he got
off of Trust Your Radio, he showed incredible chops as
the interviewer.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And I bring it up because.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I love the way he takes people through telling their
story and learns things about them. And what I tweeted
was that Howard Shurn's the best long form interviewer. I
think Dan Patrick's the best in sports radio. And what
happens is you have people that are frankly not very
smart or don't understand the profession. It doesn't mean that
(13:10):
Dan is the perfect radio host or the best radio host.
I think the best thing he does is interview people.
He's he listens, He's unbelievably quick. Everybody knows him, so
there's kind of automack respect given to him. But he's
he's great with how he does it. And when you're
doing it live on radio, it's a skill as opposed
(13:31):
to you know, when you have you can not take
breaks for an hour and you're Howard Stern, it's a
different skill. Is there anybody else you guys would throw
in that mix of best interviewers?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Are we talking?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Because there's some television ones that that I think stand out.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
A radio audio. Let's just do audio.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Well, guys, then I'm.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You don't listen to sports radio or or or talk
radio or satellite radio?
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Uh no, not satelle. I don't have satellite radio.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay, so I don't. I don't either. How are you there? More? Yeah?
Jay Stu?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Do you any other any other and others you would
like to volunteer their names.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan can hold a listener's attention for
a three hour sit down interview. I think that there's
a there's something to the way he interviews that makes
people comfortable enough to give him stuff. There's also a
(14:43):
lot of great like opinion within that. So I told
everybody who I I was in my orbit. I know,
I told you leading up to the election. I said
I would if I were you listen to Trump interview
with Rogan, And automatically people are like, I'll never listened
(15:04):
to anything that Trump does, and I said no. Within
the questions that Joe Rogan asks, he does a great
job of laying out why people are so frustrated with
the left and if you want to be educated as
to why people are frustrated with your side of the aisle.
I think it's a great interview. It's an educational interview,
(15:26):
and I think that's what Joe offers. I think he
gets great answers in conversation and then you also get
a great handful of his opinion within the interviews. I
don't know if anyone does it better.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Sam, Yeah, I had two names that are do TV
or specials. I guess Graham ben Singer in Depth with
Graham ben Singer and David Letterman's new show My Next
Guest needs no introduction.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
See I would say this about Ben Singer, Yes, is
he does? He gets some good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Do you guys? Have you guys ever heard his process?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah? But I got hired away from Jim Rome in
twenty fourteen, and Graham Bensinger hired me away from him.
I was an intricate part of his booking process for
eighteen months.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay, so take people through what actually happens.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Graham has a very high standard for who he interviews,
and once he does get those interviews, every single guest
needs to have five phoners booked to talk about the
guest's life. So not only are you booking the actual
principal interview, you're booking the five most important people that
(16:45):
in their life to spend twenty minutes on the phone
with Graham Benzinger Wow, to get information on the guest.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And then doesn't he do doesn't he spend like a
week with the guests?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
No lives in their poolhouse.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Because I had spend the summer.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Because my old producer Adam Kluk, he was offered a
job to be his field producer and he said like yeah,
and he said that, like the whole thing was like yeah,
it's not just his just coming into an interview, like
he wants to really know you and spend time.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And he spends I don't know if it was a
week or whatever, but it's like a.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Substantial amount of time just hanging out with you, and
then there's a couple of different interviews that they do.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's not just like one sit down.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
That's a good process because yeah, you're getting that access,
you're getting a comfort level at that point once you're
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But here's the thing. Okay, and I think Brogan, I
haven't listened to a full Rogan.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I'm just be honest. Never.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I've listened to long clips of it. And I think
he gets fascinating people. I think really Stern was the
birthplace of these, the kind of long form interviews on
podcasts or audio or whatever. Okay, there's magic to what
Dan does because when you do it and it's like
(18:04):
let's let people in behind the curtain. I think he
does most of his live now at ESPN. He used
to do him a lot of times after the show,
and then they would cut it up and so a
thirty minute would become eight minutes, and it was eight
minutes of absolute gold. I think doing it live on
the radio eight twelve minutes is or in person, the
way he does it, it's unbelievable. It's really difficult. I
(18:25):
do think that Rogan and Sterned, you're still in person
and you got to take people down a path. I'll
tell you somebody who gets a lot of credit on
social media and you work for I don't think is
in that. But it's because I know the process. I
think there's a lot of research done within it is Rome.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Rome's whole thing is he he has a producer prep him.
He is a vociferous reader. Again, you tell me if
I'm wrong, Jay Stuo. And what he does is he
finds his story that he find thinks everybody will be
fascinated by, and then he walks you to the path
of that story. And what I've been told was Jim
Roman doesn't ask a question he doesn't already know the
(19:08):
answer to, right, but it may not everybody else might
not know that answer, and so when he hears it,
he makes it sound like it's the first time. It's
kind of it's a little magical. And how he does
it I just process wise. I like Dan style, which
kind of I sort of adopted, which is like I
asked things that I want to know and see where
they take me. But Rome's in any conversation, because you know,
(19:33):
his most famous one was Jim Everett but best okay,
and then.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
By the way, I think you were asking me to
verify that or ye, or I was disagree. All right,
So so Jim does everything you just said. But here's
the genius in any interview. Any good interviewer is really
good at listening. But he's best. The best parts of
(20:00):
Jim Rome's interviews are follow ups to answers already given.
So you you are half right. He doesn't ask a
question initially unless he knows the answer, but he's got
to follow based on that answer. And to me, that's
the genius of any interview. If you could prove to
me that you're listening, that goes along way with me,
(20:22):
If I could hear the work that you put into it,
that goes along the way with me.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Personally, I think I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
I think you prove you're listening intently, if you're asking
good follow up questions in the moment that maybe you
didn't plan for. I think a lot of these guys
they can relate, They have empathy, and they're calm. There's
a calmness to like a Graham Benzinger, There's a calmness
to a Joe Rogan. There's a calmness to a Howard
Stern and Dan Patrick. And it puts their guest cities too.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't think. I think here's why the Dan, the
Stern and the Rogan things work more than best thing
your works, I personally, because they're known for something else
and they were on TV when we were kids, right,
(21:15):
I mean, is there anyone alive who watches sports that
didn't watch Keith and Dan Sports Center that's like thirty
or over. It's a little different now because he's older now, right,
But a lot of his guests are older, and those
guys they just they there's just a different respect comfort whatever.
They understand their humor. I think Rome has a little
(21:36):
bit of that. Obviously, once he left ESPN, it got
a little sort of it changed in terms of people's
knowledge of him. I think Sports Radio guys. But Joe
Rogan has been on television. You go back to Fear
Factor since I was in what was that we were
in college at the time, Jay s dou, I'm thinking
right like he's and now obviously he's around UFC, So
there's a knowledge and a comfort with that. And I
(21:58):
would say Stern has He's been a big name forever.
His show has been big forever. And though even though
he went off trust for radio, I think the one
thing that probably he had the movie and then he
was on.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Which one of.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Those variety shows, is he on America's Got Talent?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, America's got talent. And by the way, since you
tease it, I'll pay off the tease. So I have
a text chain with buddies that are in the industry,
and all we do is talk crap about talent. That's
that's That's the gist of the of the group text.
And then Howard Stern two days ago said out loud
(22:35):
that he no longer wants Trump voters listening to his show.
I sent a text to the group text saying this
obviously means he's not re upping with serious excel because
that comment goes against every every single thing that we
were brought up to believe in broadcasting, do not alienate
half your listening audience. So then the next day there's
(22:58):
a report that his you is up and he's likely
not re upping with serious exam So when I heard
that two days ago, I don't want Trump voters listening
to my show. I said, yeah, I take that with
a grain of salt. He's obviously coming from a place
of empowerment. He's got hundreds of millions of dollars in
(23:20):
the bank. If he stopped doing it today, he'd be fine.
Much different than say, like a Pat McAfee's saying that
who's trying to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
A good point. It's a good point.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I have another name throwut there back in the sports world.
I always thought this was his best strength of his
show was doing the interviews, and not always with sports people,
sometimes the actors. Rich Eisen, I think is a good interviewer.
I think that other parts of his show, maybe you
may some of the criticism or like the critiquing in
his monologues or not, you know, not always super opinion sharpened. Well,
(23:57):
he has he has business interested. You know, he can't
be super critical of certain entities because he might, you know,
work for them. But he is a very good interviewer
and I've always enjoyed his interviews. I always thought his
voice has a calm sounding voice and does a great
job interviewing anybody from sports or outside of sports.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, I think his desire to do outside of sports
really is what's pushed him. I think he is really good.
He is really knowledgeable, and he he does this stern
thing where he kind of takes you down the path
of what their what their life was like, and and
those major moments.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I really wish Bob Costas would do a podcast. I
really would do. He's my favorite of all time.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, he's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And and you know who who is actually great as
well was Tarico was really good when he had a show.
Tarrico's issue was that he would never get he would
never tackle anything negative, perceived negative or whatever. Would just
like if somebody's like, yeah, I want to stay away
from that, Like all right, we're.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Not asking He he and what's the word not impersonates,
but he to me represents everything vanilla in our business.
He's nothing edgy at all. About Tarico other than his personal.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
One talk about thirty years ago.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
I think I think that's okay. People have certain lanes
that they stay in. That's just their brand, you know. Yes,
And there's a big enough tent out there. The world
is big enough to have all these people under it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:25):
If you want to go to a hard, hinting, hitting interview,
you go to someone else. If you want maybe something
that's more positive on in on the script, it's Tarico.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I think he does a very good job.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I think one constant that we're hearing in a lot
of these or these these interviewers get amazing guests. And
I also the true like feeling is what about when
the guest isn't something that maybe you know about or
know of.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yes, that that's when you're really good. Yes, that's when
you're really good.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Like you're you're bringing this guests like, you know, presence
and role in the world to the light of the
people that you know.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
They're some lot.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, let's just I'll be honest you So my All
Ball podcast is based upon Howard Stearn's interview of Meghan Trainer.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I told you guys this story on air.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No tell us some story.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's sarcastm right there.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So I'm driving from Murphy'sboro, Tennessee, to Bolding Green, Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
I've been there to mur Borough, home of Middle Tennessee
State University.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's right, which, by the way, is like now almost
part of Nashville. Nahville has gotten so big anyway, So
I decide I'm just drive and there's a gigantic thunderstorm,
gigantic and I'm listening to it and I it's it
was fascinating, like her life story and I would never
be a Meghan Trainer fan. She's just you know, I
(26:50):
like one of her songs, but whatever. And the way
in which he made her interesting and she told her
story was fast to me, so fascinating to me that
I was in this terrible thunderstorm and you know, it's
going in and out with satellite radio. And my wife
at the time she called me and she's like, where
are you. I'm like, I don't know, I'm somewhere and she's.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like, well, drop up, hint.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I was like why, She's like, because I think you're
like in the path of a tornado. I'm like what,
So I literally pulled over.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I got it.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You know that was it.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I didn't want to get out the car, so I posted.
I pulled underneath an overpass, which is what you're supposed
to do, right if you're in the middle of nowhere,
you pulled underneath it overpass. But I pulled out just
so so that when it was clear I could I.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Could hear the interview. Did hear the interview?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And uh? Storm passed the whole interview. Did get on
my car till it was done?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
So yeah, was it?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Wasn't it Ellie Goulding?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Wasn't that who it was?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Or Golding? Isn't I thought, I've heard you tell the
story before. Maybe it was Megan Trainer.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Megan Trainer. She was talking about how she looked. She
was in La Reid's office. Oh, and she was supposed
to play It wasn't all about that bass. I think
it was I'm Gonna love You like I'm gonna lose you,
And she thought it was. She just had the first
first down and she used to, like Stapleton, write for
everybody else and she had to learn how to play
(28:17):
the whole song in like a boardroom all day on
her ukulele. Finally, end of the day she goes in
plays her for La Reid and he's like, great, let's
record it. And he's like, for who for you? And
that changed your life?
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Eli Golding can't hold us candle to Megan Trainer's life story. Apparently,
according to Doug, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No, I don't know, Eli Golden, yees.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
I think we got them confused once this kind of
discussion came up sometime in the past.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Guys are making fun of me. I know.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's what's happening, and that is the Midway.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
The Midway. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at
Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
For over forty years, Tyrek has been helping customers find
the right touch for how what when they drive some
pretty back by free road aster protection with convenien slation
options like Bulltire installation. Tyrat talk how the way tire
buying should be. Hey, let's get to our tyret play
the day Dodgers audio networking in five seventy LA Sports
with call HUNSI slings hits a drive right center field, this.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Pop back, he is gone.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
He's done it again.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Two home runs on the night for Monsei and the
Dodgers lead at four to two.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That's your guy, Max Munsey, right, That's that's what the
Dodgers have been needing, is little Max Muncie. Dodgers win,
Yankees lose, seems like a good day in the in
the ad Jason Stewart household.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So there's this theory if you listen to Dodger sports talk,
or read the message boards, or you're a part of
Dodgers Twitter, there's a segment of people who was not
pissed off at Andrew Friedman for doing zero at the
trade deadline, and they they were playing the same notes.
It was almost like when the Democrats send their talking
points out to all their all their political.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
They all did, by the way, the yeah, you can
do the same thing, right.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They said, the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the IL, Like so many people said that it sounded scripted.
Max Munsey came off the IL. So for one night,
for a period of two and a half hours, that
minority of people who thought they were very clever by
(30:23):
saying that the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the IL, they were proven right for two and a
half hours.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Pretty amazing though, how one guy can one guy can
help and we'll see you. You know, Aaron Judge couldn't
do it for the Yankees last night, didn't they lose
no walk off? I think they did, but you mentioned
how much the Yankees need Aaron Judge. Same type of thing, right,
Sometimes one guy obviously Aaron Judge a little bit more
than Max Muncy. They can make a difference in stats,
but sometimes it's just a bad energy. We'll get to
(30:57):
Adam Kaplan in a moment. It's our Fox Sports Radio
NFL Insider. He also host the Inside the Birds podcast. Uh,
I do think that the Dodgers are the most interesting
thing in baseball right, Like, don't get me wrong, living
in Wisconsin. The Brewers are super interesting and they've had
an unbelievable year. But the Dodgers, if they have the
(31:20):
ability to repeat, and then they were playing so well,
and yes it was injuries, but then they just started
to fall apart. Now they've won but two of three,
three of five, you know, they got to finish up
this home stand for the thing on the Angels that
it's the Padres series, and then it gets really interesting.
They play the Padres like I think six out of
nine games, so we'll find out where the Dodgers are
(31:44):
at that point in time. Stuck Gottlab show. You're on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in Adam Kaplan. Of course
he has the Inside the Birds podcast. Plus he's our
Fox Sports Radio NFL insider, and Adam, let me ask you.
What are people like yourself who cover the the NFL
saying about the NFL Network and ESPN merger.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Yeah, it's interesting. So Doug, you may or may not
have known this, but back I think No. Nine or
twenty ten, ESPN and NFL Net in the NFL actually
talked about potential for a merger, but I didn't go far.
But and there were there were concerns about how much
control the NFL wanted over content and all that, so
it didn't happen. I just remember when I got to
(32:25):
ESPN in twenty thirteen, it's one of the first things
I heard about. And then you always want to could
this ever happen? And it's going to happen, and we're waiting.
Obviously it's got to get approved by government and it
will and then see how this shakes out. But it's
it's very interesting a lot of people are curious about
what this is going to look like. We're certain shows,
(32:45):
shows going to go? What control? What is NFL? What
is ESPN going to do with NFL networks programming? Certain shows?
Are they going to get a rid of shows? What's absorbed?
What's not that? When you have a merger, that's what happens.
It's like, what do they take? What do they decide
not to keep going? So it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's gonna be really really interesting, really interesting. Okay, let's
get to some of the stuff. What's going on with
the Cowboys? He had Jerry Jones with the acting like
they had a deal agreed to. He's like, hey, when
about the cowboys? Thirty second conversation, a handshake agreement, But
Michael Parsons still hasn't signed the term sheet.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
What are you hearing about? What's actually going on in Dallas?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
All right, here's what happened, so and here and I'll
get to where we're at now. So basically, Jerry Jones
and Michael Parsons had some pretty interesting conversations about what
the contract would look like, land guarantees and so forth.
But Parsons put a stop to it because He's like,
wait a minute, my agent's not involved. I haven't agreed
(33:47):
to anything. But they did talk. They talked heavily what
it would look like. But David mulget is his agent,
and Jerry never ran it by Mulligeta, and Parson's put
a stop to it, so we moved back. We move
this forward a bunch of months, and he's having a
hold in his Parsons and Jerry Jones thinks that they
had a handshake agreement, but Jerry tried to pull a
(34:09):
fast one. It's it's not good. If you're Michael Parsons,
you simply can't play on the contract that you have,
and nor does he plan to. And the Cowboys they
would like the deal done like Michael would, but Jerry
wants to kind of hold him to what they agreed to.
(34:30):
But Micah, of course doesn't think he agreed to anything.
They just they talked heavily about what it would look like.
So he's gonna make Parsons's gonna make twenty four million
this season, and then you know, if for some reason
this doesn't get done by the start of the season,
which I still think it will, then you've got next year.
On the fifth year option. But he's so vastly underpaid.
(34:51):
I mean, we got deals now over forty million for
edge rushers, and the guy JJ Watt turns thirty one
this fall and it's going to average forty one million
a season. So yet this has to get done. This
circus is just it's this is a different one though.
I'll tell you this is for as long as I've
covered this business twenty seven years, I've not seen a
situation like this where owner back tried to backdoor a
(35:13):
contract negotiation without the agent being involved.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
You already you would have to ask him. I See
what I find interesting is I know that Jerry and
Mike have had an interesting relationship where Mike has respected
Jerry a lot and they've talked a lot. And now
Jerry might say, hey, listen, I just wanted to talk
to him and see where he was at and escalade
to something. But Jerry never said, hey, let's get your
(35:39):
asient involved, let's get this done right now. It was
He's like, it's kind of like you mentioned the term sheet, Well,
we've got agreement average per season length and guarantee it
signing that did and then obviously your agent has to
look it over.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
But that's it.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
That's that's kind of the way that he looked at it.
And that's not the way you have to do it,
because he Parsons clearly says he did not agree to it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But again, but what is the why would they grab
him and not run it by his agent?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
What is the main.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Well, because because you know, in contracts you can have
a verbal agreement, but it's not you can't enforce it
because it's not written. And that's what you know. Jerry
was talking about that in a way that with the
media this week. He knows that they have to have it,
they have to have a contract, but he thinks it's
a foregone conclusion that they have a deal. So that
(36:30):
what you're what you have is their loggerheads here and
at some point Jerry Jones has got to talk to
his agent, David Mulligata. And in the way it is,
as you know, in contract negotiation, so you don't lose leverage,
neither side wants to call each other. That's that's the
way I can tell you with NFL contracts, it typically
it's like the agent does not want to call. They
(36:52):
typically will not call less absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox supports radio term mc lauren.
What's going on there?
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Yeah, so you've this is very odd hold it. He
claims he's got an ankle injury. They definitely want to
do a deal. He wants to get a deal. They're
not close as a couple as forty eight hours ago,
I understanding was that they were not close. He wants
a deal in the neighborhood of DK Metcalf, which is
thirty three million year. Metcalf, by the way, is a
couple of years younger. Mclaurin's sort of like the heart
(37:23):
and saw the football team. Here's what you have, Doug,
to sum us up. You've got a GM in Adam Peters,
who definitely wants to extend mclaurin's contract. But he doesn't
have the same urgency that you would have if you
have if you drafted the player, and he just doesn't
have that. It's just the way it is. He just
forever reason doesn't see it the way McLaurin does. Now
(37:45):
they're not. It's not like they offered him twenty million
and he wants thirty three. You're talking about somewhere around
twenty seven to twenty eight million. They got to get
it up. They got to move up, and plus they
got to guarantee at least two years and maybe even
part partially for the third. So they're not there yet,
but the season doesn't start till September. But it's not good.
(38:08):
One thing you should know, Doug and why. It's highly
unluckly not impossible, but it's highly unlikely that they would
want to trade a McLaurin. They have no one to
fill in for him, literally nobody, and Deebo Samuel doesn't
play the same position receiver position, but he plays more
of a slot gadget hand it off slants where mclaurin's
there one deep threat. So yeah, they're not prepared now.
(38:31):
If something escalates, I could tell you that they would
have to get a receiver back in the trade, but again,
they really don't want to trade him.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I want to play for you something.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
This is Lewis Riddick, Yeah, who work with them? Okay, So,
so Shador Sanders is going to start the first preseason
game for the Browns, right, And it's by default right
because they got injuries to the three guys that had
him on the depth chart, or at least two of
them at them on the depth chart, with Joe Flacco
being old enough. We know we know Joe FLACKO. Okay,
(39:01):
so this was Lewis Riddick earlier today.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps.
They play a whole half of a game, and then
(39:26):
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,
damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You
never even talked to me during practice, But now you
expect me to know. That's what they're gonna expect of him.
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid,
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you,
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Okay, So he's paying a very difficult picture for Shudor Sanders,
which is reasonable, but he's acting like the Browns are
intentionally putting him in a situation where he's going to
fail and holding him to a standard which would be
deemed as unfair. Again, that defies logic to me, because
the Browns they should want a young quarterback to be
(40:06):
able to play, to do what San Francisco has done
the last four years and play a guy and not
pay him anything. What's the reality on your hearing of
how the Browns feel about shred Or Sanders.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Well, a couple of things, Doug. The thing that Rick
is talking about, I think is that Sanders has had
very little work with their first team offense. And that's
you know, that's not great because it's a timing thing,
a rhythm thing.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
You would you rather play with the fourth stringers?
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Well here's the but no again, I'm just telling you
where I'm just explaining you from a football.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I understand what he said.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I mean, I understand he's been like one day throwing
with with the ones he's had obviously all this lead
up and prep after that, But I get like, what
what are the other options that they have well they
have Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Yeah, they they signed Tyler Huntley, who just got there,
by the ways, been with them before, and now their
decision not to play Flacco, it's not about evaluating him.
They know what they have in Flacco. He brought them
to the playoffs two years ago. You could say, look why,
One might say why why isn't Flack would just play
the first half and Sanders closed the second half, played
the second if that, that, to me would been the
(41:07):
smart thing. But they want Sanders to start here. It's
it's not I it's not ideal. I would agree with
Lewis on that. It's not a great thing. Now here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Much I'm just I'm just telling you right now. I
think it's it's it makes no sense.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
But let me play player perspective.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
From my from my senses, I would so much rather
play with better players around me, better offensive lineman, better
skill position players, better guys. I can play with them less.
And they're not gonna give him some ornate you know,
game plan right like, nor are they going to see
exotic blitz us from the defense.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's meat and potatoes.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Nobody's showing anything. I would rather play with the good
players than play with the guys that are likely to
be on no rosters or some other roster.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Although I would tell you though, when you when you're
a third or four shiing quarterback, which you generally has been,
you've worked a lot with those backups.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So again I understand when you've worked with more, others
are just clearly better. I'd what I I'm just I
would much rather play with the starters. That's way better
to me.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Yeah, I hear you on that. I honestly again to
move us alonger, I would have started Flacco, but Stefanski,
Kevin Stefanski, who's their play caller, decided differently.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
You mentioned your desires, like I would have started Flacco.
There are a lot of teams that are playing their starters.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
In I know it's changed.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Like we went through like A we went through what A?
When did McVeigh become the head coach of the Rams?
This is like seventeen years.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
Ago, seventeen, maybe twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Okay, so wow, it's a long tap. So almost the
last decade, Sean McVay has greatly influenced most of the
league most league. It was like, yeah, we'll play him
a little bit, and he was like, we're not playing
him now of a sudden, you know, the pendulum swings.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Why all right?
Speaker 7 (42:50):
So the ways explaining to me is this because I
asked the same question. What there are two things that
have happened. First of all, we went from four to
three preseason games, right that that changed, And the fourth
preseason game is when nobody would play. Third, the third
preseason game was the dress rehearsal. Well, the starters would
play into the second half. They don't do that anymore.
(43:11):
In fact, what you're seeing is, okay, the starters will
come a lot some some teams will play their starters
if they've got to join practice next week. They use
to joint practice as the as the work for the week,
and they don't play in the preseason game. That's been
because the the joint practices have been the big thing
is you know in the National Football League for last
(43:31):
oh four or five years in big time, not every
team all majority of the NFL teams do it. Sure,
but it's what what i'd heard is it's one it's
one last one fewer and the setups a little bit
different with with one less game to evaluate, you want
to get your starters in a little bit more. Now
McVeigh doesn't seem to care. He just he's like, we're
not getting anyone hurt. You know. It's funny Andy Reid
(43:51):
when he was in Philly, he he just he said
to me one year because I'm like, coach, why didn't
you play your starters? Just like my job is to
get my guys to the to the regular season healthy
as possible. But he's changed that with Kansas City, he's
done sort of a one to eighty.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
You mentioned Philadelphia. Obviously this is another another super Bowl
and another departure of their offensive coordinator. How does their
offense look so far in the preseason.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
Yeah, I think it's been uneven. Look, it's it's hard
to go against Vic Fangio's defense, the Egles defense coordinator. Now,
they don't blitz, but you know, the number one defense
last season. And they've had some injuries. A. J. Brown's
missed practical with the hamstring injury. DeVante Smith missed overweek
with a back injury, so that that's definitely been a
problem for getting their timing down. But the last three
(44:38):
days of practice this week they've done much better. And
you know, the big issue for them though, and I
spoke about their defense, is they're gonna have a minimum
of five new starters on defense. They're having a That's
why they made this trade this week with the Raiders
to to get a corner. They're struggling a little bit
opposite Quinnon Mitche who's her first round pick last season. Yeah,
Jacorey and Bennett is the corner. It's gonna wear a number.
(45:00):
But he not came out from Raiders, so by the way,
Eagles really liked Uh. He unfortunately had laboram surgery, shoulder
labor surgery. So he's fine now he's been in practice.
But that's the situation to watch the left cornerback position
for the Eagles, it's it's it's not not looking good
right now. That which is why they may just they
just made this trade this week.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
All right, NFL NFC North is really interesting. Let's start
in Minnesota. What are you hearing Jordan Addison suspended first
three games. That doesn't help the wide receiving core. And
you got essentially a rookie quarterback in JJ McCarthy. You know, look,
it's hard to tell. We watched little clips, but the
little clips don't look great. What are you hearing in
terms of returns on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (45:37):
Yeah, so so I'm gonna go back to last summer.
So when he came in, you know, he's a first
round pick and a lot of teams I talked to fact,
I know team's had a their round great on him.
He had issues with mechanics, footwork, and boy, Kevin O'Connell
made great strides with him. He got hurt in that
first preseason game against the Raiders, and he looked fantastic.
I mean, he looked really good. And then he tours
miniscus sometime in that game, and and his off season.
(46:01):
Remember he didn't get clear till till June. It's been
uneven you know you mentioned Addison. I mean, he's a
lot of practice. He just can't. He can't play for
three weeks, first three games. But they're gonna be okay.
They're gonna be okay. Tej Hocketts dealing with something that
their start tight end, which is why they just signed
a tight end this week. Now, one thing you should
know is they're gonna have three new starters on their
(46:23):
offensive line and then Christian Darrisol missed all last season
with an ac ell injury, so it's a little bit
of work in progress there with.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Minnesota Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Caleb Williams, Yeah, Ken, you a scrimmage doesn't look great.
There's a lot of chattery. Doesn't look great. But what
are you hearing about the reality of how the second
year of quarterbacks plan.
Speaker 7 (46:40):
Yeah, it's been. It's look, it's been very challenging for
Ben Johnson to get cable ones to play with discipline,
it's been. He's certainly been uneven. It's gonna take some time.
Ben Johnson coaches real hard. He did a great job
with Jared Goff, who was a reclamation project after he
came up from the Rams. This is gonna take more.
Williams mechanics are aren't great. He's got great talent, loose
(47:03):
thrower man, he's got a great arm. They're super loaded
with offensive talent, skill positions. They too much of Minnesota.
They have three new starters on the tier of their
offensive line. But they're super excited about the upside of
this team. And Ben Jonson will say this, he coaches
hard and he's brought a ton of discipline in They're
building and the players so far of taken to it
(47:23):
because there's going to be accountabilding that building, because there
was not last season.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
You're the best man.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Love working with you, love having you on, and love
your your overall knowledge of everything that's going on.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
It's so great. Thanks so much for being Yes Sports Radio.
You got all right.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
That's our Fox Sports Radio insider and unbelievable asset to
is Adam Kaplan Inside the Birds, of the podcast covering
the Eagles does a great job
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlieb
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio.
Find your local station for the Doug Gottlieb Show at
Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day
on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Boom of America
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. For over forty years,
(00:28):
tyreq has been helping customers find the right tires, how what,
where they drive shit fast and free back by free
road has to protection with convenient slation options like multire
Slation tyrit dot com. The way tire buying should be.
We'll get to some Dodger baseball upcoming in the show.
Uh got a lot to get to. Man, it's a
(00:49):
good day. It's say Wednesday, it's a hump day. That
means we got the Midway. I think you enjoy the Midway.
I want to Yeah, Midway.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I want to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
About I want to talk about the I don't think
it's retirement, but Howard Stern is leaving serious axem talk
about the business that I I work in. Jay stew
has worked in Dan Byer's worked in for all of
(01:20):
us over twenty years. Sam, you're on what you were
you on?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Sam? You're over a decade in, aren't you in radio? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Fifteen years?
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So that's a lot of experience we'll share with our
thoughts of Howard Stern. I don't know if he's calling
it quits or if I don't know if he's done,
if he's going to do his own thing. I'm gonna
launch a podcast, you know, the thing we all think,
we all do. Speaking of which, this show is available
in podcast form in the meantime, I want to play
for you something I saw on TV and I was
like what And then I heard Cowherd call him out
(01:55):
without calling him out again. That's probably the art of
cow Herd is many people he can call out and
he doesn't name their names, really smarter than what I do.
Whereas I just name their names. I don't care. It's
your words. You said it, you own it. If I
say it, I own it as well, as long as
it's not taken out of context. Right, Okay, So Shadoor
Sanders is going to start for the Browns in their
first preseason game as Dan Bayer told you yesterday. That's
(02:19):
because Joe Flacco is old.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
You don't want him getting hurt.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And you know the other two quarterbacks, Dylan Gabriel, who's
drafted ahead of him, he's hurt. You know, both quarterbacks
in front of him are injured. So he's going to
get a chance to start. But I want you to
listen to something that Lewis Ridicks said. Okay, remember Lewis
Ridick was a scout in the NFL. He's he's been
on a kind of a jet back to success working
(02:42):
at ESPN. Here was his take on Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps,
They play a whole half of a game and then
(03:09):
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake. Why aren't you making that check? Well, damn, coach,
I never was in there in practice. You never even
talked to me during practice, But now you expect me
to know that's what they're gonna expect of him. But
if anyone can get it done, it's this kid, because
he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, they're making it out like the world is out
to get Shador Sanders. And this is one of the
most obnoxious things anyone could ever say, when it's about
themselves or about somebody else who was born on third base. Right, Sure,
it's difficult to start a preseason game. What's more difficult
(03:52):
starting your first preseason game or getting thrown in there
in the fourth quarter with the fourth stringers trying to
make I mean, Lewis Riddick like, you can mask it
all you want. You're obviously rooting for Shaundore Sanders, which
is okay, okay, But to make it out like Kevin
Stefanski is gonna do this kid wrong. Have you been
to Browns camp? Have you talked to Stefanski? Of course
(04:15):
you haven't. You been on set of ESPN, So not
saying you don't have sources in the league. You do,
but you're just making assumptions like, oh, this is what
they're gonna do, and I know what they're gonna do,
and they're gonna hold them to a higher standard.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
But if anybody can do it, super snor.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Sanders can do it, why would that be the case?
What would the purpose be? I mean, just like again,
let's just ask ourselves very honestly. The Browns are in
quarterback purgatory, right, quarterback purgatory. They had to feel like
(04:56):
they didn't have a chance to draft, or maybe they
didn't want a quarterback in this year's draft. That's why
they trade it out of what the number two spot
and traded down right, So maybe they wait for a year.
But if the idea is well, they're waiting for your
If Shador Sanders hits, okay, they get the steal of
(05:17):
the draft. If relevance matters to you, you'll be very relevant.
But it doesn't matter. They simply want somebody who's good.
And oh yeah, by the way, he'll be inexpensive. He's
a fifth round draft pick. He costs you nothing. I mean,
(05:38):
this is Brock Party two point zero, only he was
evaluated at a higher level than brock perty even though
brock Purty different but very successful college quarterback who had
some similar struggles late in his college career because he
was playing at Iowa State. He wasn't playing at Oklahoma.
(05:59):
But this idea, idea that the world's out to get
shod or Sanders. Oh, I know how this works. They're
gonna set him up for failure. That's what Lewis Reddick said.
They're setting him up for failure. They're gonna ask him
to do things.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
How do you know that? Why would they do that?
What would the purpose be of it?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And the idea that, well, this is just so incredibly difficult.
The only guy that could do is to shoot or standers.
I'm telling you right now. Do you think it's more
difficult and you probably don't have all of the ones
to play with half the ones and twos? Or to
come in the second half of the first preseason game
as the four stringer and play with four stringers, especially
a quarterback who is not the most mobile, holds onto
(06:43):
the ball too long, and is in a new offense.
Which one do you think is a more difficult task?
And the idea that a team that owns the rights
to a guy who some people had as a first
round pick on their board falls to the fifth round,
(07:05):
and they don't want to take advantage of what could
be an absolute gift in terms of salaries, right because
remember they're still they still have Deshaun Watson under contract.
Deshaun Watson is still under contract with the Cleveland Browns.
I believe he gets paid the next two years.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
They reworked his deal in this offseason. He's got two
He tours Achilles ten in twice, so he's not going
to play this year. He's he doesn't get paid by
the team. He gets paid probably by insurance. But it
does hit the books. If they can have a rookie
quarterback on a fifth round contract and they can jettison
(07:46):
you know, Huntley who they just signed h and all
the other court like they let's just kind of call
it like it is, they'll be have a chance to
be the Niners two point er, where you pay your
quarterback nothing and you load up your roster with dudes
that I can really play things that NFL teams don't do.
(08:11):
You know, again, unless Sador has actually like a complete
ass the whole time, Unless he has made himself into
a pariah. And if he was made into a pariah,
they would have already cut him. They would have already
moved on sign multiple quarterback. Well, why they signed Tyler
Huntley because you need more guys to throw footballs. You
can't have one guy throwing two hundred balls every day
(08:32):
at practice and everybody else's hurt. You heard Dan Bayer
yesterday and say, hey, everybody else's hurt. There's a good
friend of mine who's been a general manager in the NFL,
and he used to tell me that when I'd ask
him about these types of things, he was like, honestly,
you're watching football from an entertainment perspective. It doesn't work
(08:54):
that way. The only thing we care about is if
we can win. How can we win games? And you
can win games when you have more money to play
with for the rest of your roster, and if you
have Shodoor Sanders any really good enough and he go
in there and not screw it up and just throw
the ball. We're it's supposed to throw it. If he
doesn't have it, throw it away.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
You know, get.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Everybody what anything to get. Let's make it super simple
for you. You're just a rookie. You lineup, you might
hand the ball off nine times and ten. Great if
you can do that, and we can save a bunch
of money, we can build up a roster around you.
But he say, I never forget this. I'd say this
with Jason earlier today, like that's entertainment. And yeah, ESPN
(09:39):
the E does tam for entertainment. But there's no E
in NFL. There's win games or get a new job.
So the idea that they would rather make Shador Sanders
look bad by elevating him too soon despite a lack
of practice reps is comical. By the way, the job
of a backup quarterback is, if you have no reps,
(10:02):
figure out a way to get it done in the game.
Just kiss, keep it simple, stupid. But I told you
guys this yesterday and I mean it. Shador Sanders is
going to be the new Kaepernick if he gets cut
by the Browns. Every time a quarterback goes down, you'll
have somebody go. You know, they should sign Shador Sanders.
Speaker 5 (10:24):
This is the best of the Done Dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Why I put you Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio,
iHeartRadio app I hope you're doing great. The Doug gott
Leap Show broadcast live every day at this time. Plus
we get the podcast and with the iHeartRadio app, you
can stream us wherever you happen to be. Catch us
on all of our Fox Sports Radio shows live twenty
four to seven the new and improved iHeartRadio app. Just
search Fox Sports Tradio the app to stream us live
all day every day and after you select Foxports Radios
(10:51):
one of your presets in the iHeart Radio app, it
will always pop up on top of your screen always. Uh,
it's a Wednesday. It is a game week Wednesday, right
because we got football games are gonna be played. Every
NFL team will have had a preseason game by the
time we get By the time we get back to Monday,
(11:12):
everyone will have played a game every single one. So
it's a little bit different Wednesday. We got a lot
to get to. But I love this segment of the show.
We it's the middle of the week, it's the middle
of the day. Heck, if you count our podcasts the
middle of our show. Let's play the Midway. He's not
getting the middle with you.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It's time for the.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, guys, whole cruise here, Jay stew Iowa, Sam Dan
Byer and myself. So here's what I want to do.
I tweeted out earlier today with Howard Stern and his show,
I never gets canceled his shows, he's he didn't get
re upped.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I who knows. And I would love Jay Stu.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I would love for you to share what you showed
me when you knew this was coming two days ago
and I didn't hear it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
But I just want to talk about who does what
best because I think that that Stern the bits are
what made him famous, right the bubba buwe and you know,
a lot of the nudity stuff and it wasn't even
sexual innuendo. Like I thought, the show got a lot
less clever when he went off of Trust for Radio
(12:33):
because there were just things you could just say whatever
you wanted to say. But I thought when he got
off of Trust Your Radio, he showed incredible chops as
the interviewer.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
And I bring it up because.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I love the way he takes people through telling their
story and learns things about them. And what I tweeted
was that Howard Shurn's the best long form interviewer. I
think Dan Patrick's the best in sports radio. And what
happens is you have people that are frankly not very
smart or don't understand the profession. It doesn't mean that
(13:10):
Dan is the perfect radio host or the best radio host.
I think the best thing he does is interview people.
He's he listens, He's unbelievably quick. Everybody knows him, so
there's kind of automack respect given to him. But he's
he's great with how he does it. And when you're
doing it live on radio, it's a skill as opposed
(13:31):
to you know, when you have you can not take
breaks for an hour and you're Howard Stern, it's a
different skill. Is there anybody else you guys would throw
in that mix of best interviewers?
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Are we talking?
Speaker 6 (13:50):
Because there's some television ones that that I think stand out.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
A radio audio. Let's just do audio.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
Well, guys, then I'm.
Speaker 7 (14:00):
I'm out. I'm out.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You don't listen to sports radio or or or talk
radio or satellite radio?
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Uh no, not satelle. I don't have satellite radio.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Okay, so I don't. I don't either. How are you there? More? Yeah?
Jay Stu?
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Do you any other any other and others you would
like to volunteer their names.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan can hold a listener's attention for
a three hour sit down interview. I think that there's
a there's something to the way he interviews that makes
people comfortable enough to give him stuff. There's also a
(14:43):
lot of great like opinion within that. So I told
everybody who I I was in my orbit. I know,
I told you leading up to the election. I said
I would if I were you listen to Trump interview
with Rogan, And automatically people are like, I'll never listened
(15:04):
to anything that Trump does, and I said no. Within
the questions that Joe Rogan asks, he does a great
job of laying out why people are so frustrated with
the left and if you want to be educated as
to why people are frustrated with your side of the aisle.
I think it's a great interview. It's an educational interview,
(15:26):
and I think that's what Joe offers. I think he
gets great answers in conversation and then you also get
a great handful of his opinion within the interviews. I
don't know if anyone does it better.
Speaker 8 (15:41):
Sam, Yeah, I had two names that are do TV
or specials. I guess Graham ben Singer in Depth with
Graham ben Singer and David Letterman's new show My Next
Guest needs no introduction.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
See I would say this about Ben Singer, Yes, is
he does? He gets some good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Do you guys? Have you guys ever heard his process?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah? But I got hired away from Jim Rome in
twenty fourteen, and Graham Bensinger hired me away from him.
I was an intricate part of his booking process for
eighteen months.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay, so take people through what actually happens.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Graham has a very high standard for who he interviews,
and once he does get those interviews, every single guest
needs to have five phoners booked to talk about the
guest's life. So not only are you booking the actual
principal interview, you're booking the five most important people that
(16:45):
in their life to spend twenty minutes on the phone
with Graham Benzinger Wow, to get information on the guest.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And then doesn't he do doesn't he spend like a
week with the guests?
Speaker 3 (16:55):
No lives in their poolhouse.
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Because I had spend the summer.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Because my old producer Adam Kluk, he was offered a
job to be his field producer and he said like yeah,
and he said that, like the whole thing was like yeah,
it's not just his just coming into an interview, like
he wants to really know you and spend time.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
And he spends I don't know if it was a
week or whatever, but it's like a.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Substantial amount of time just hanging out with you, and
then there's a couple of different interviews that they do.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
It's not just like one sit down.
Speaker 8 (17:27):
That's a good process because yeah, you're getting that access,
you're getting a comfort level at that point once you're
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But here's the thing. Okay, and I think Brogan, I
haven't listened to a full Rogan.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I'm just be honest. Never.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
I've listened to long clips of it. And I think
he gets fascinating people. I think really Stern was the
birthplace of these, the kind of long form interviews on
podcasts or audio or whatever. Okay, there's magic to what
Dan does because when you do it and it's like
(18:04):
let's let people in behind the curtain. I think he
does most of his live now at ESPN. He used
to do him a lot of times after the show,
and then they would cut it up and so a
thirty minute would become eight minutes, and it was eight
minutes of absolute gold. I think doing it live on
the radio eight twelve minutes is or in person, the
way he does it, it's unbelievable. It's really difficult. I
(18:25):
do think that Rogan and Sterned, you're still in person
and you got to take people down a path. I'll
tell you somebody who gets a lot of credit on
social media and you work for I don't think is
in that. But it's because I know the process. I
think there's a lot of research done within it is Rome.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Rome's whole thing is he he has a producer prep him.
He is a vociferous reader. Again, you tell me if
I'm wrong, Jay Stuo. And what he does is he
finds his story that he find thinks everybody will be
fascinated by, and then he walks you to the path
of that story. And what I've been told was Jim
Roman doesn't ask a question he doesn't already know the
(19:08):
answer to, right, but it may not everybody else might
not know that answer, and so when he hears it,
he makes it sound like it's the first time. It's
kind of it's a little magical. And how he does
it I just process wise. I like Dan style, which
kind of I sort of adopted, which is like I
asked things that I want to know and see where
they take me. But Rome's in any conversation, because you know,
(19:33):
his most famous one was Jim Everett but best okay,
and then.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
By the way, I think you were asking me to
verify that or ye, or I was disagree. All right,
So so Jim does everything you just said. But here's
the genius in any interview. Any good interviewer is really
good at listening. But he's best. The best parts of
(20:00):
Jim Rome's interviews are follow ups to answers already given.
So you you are half right. He doesn't ask a
question initially unless he knows the answer, but he's got
to follow based on that answer. And to me, that's
the genius of any interview. If you could prove to
me that you're listening, that goes along way with me,
(20:22):
If I could hear the work that you put into it,
that goes along the way with me.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Personally, I think I wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 8 (20:33):
I think you prove you're listening intently, if you're asking
good follow up questions in the moment that maybe you
didn't plan for. I think a lot of these guys
they can relate, They have empathy, and they're calm. There's
a calmness to like a Graham Benzinger, There's a calmness
to a Joe Rogan. There's a calmness to a Howard
Stern and Dan Patrick. And it puts their guest cities too.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
I don't think. I think here's why the Dan, the
Stern and the Rogan things work more than best thing
your works, I personally, because they're known for something else
and they were on TV when we were kids, right,
(21:15):
I mean, is there anyone alive who watches sports that
didn't watch Keith and Dan Sports Center that's like thirty
or over. It's a little different now because he's older now, right,
But a lot of his guests are older, and those
guys they just they there's just a different respect comfort whatever.
They understand their humor. I think Rome has a little
(21:36):
bit of that. Obviously, once he left ESPN, it got
a little sort of it changed in terms of people's
knowledge of him. I think Sports Radio guys. But Joe
Rogan has been on television. You go back to Fear
Factor since I was in what was that we were
in college at the time, Jay s dou, I'm thinking
right like he's and now obviously he's around UFC, So
there's a knowledge and a comfort with that. And I
(21:58):
would say Stern has He's been a big name forever.
His show has been big forever. And though even though
he went off trust for radio, I think the one
thing that probably he had the movie and then he
was on.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Which one of.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Those variety shows, is he on America's Got Talent?
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yeah, America's got talent. And by the way, since you
tease it, I'll pay off the tease. So I have
a text chain with buddies that are in the industry,
and all we do is talk crap about talent. That's
that's That's the gist of the of the group text.
And then Howard Stern two days ago said out loud
(22:35):
that he no longer wants Trump voters listening to his show.
I sent a text to the group text saying this
obviously means he's not re upping with serious excel because
that comment goes against every every single thing that we
were brought up to believe in broadcasting, do not alienate
half your listening audience. So then the next day there's
(22:58):
a report that his you is up and he's likely
not re upping with serious exam So when I heard
that two days ago, I don't want Trump voters listening
to my show. I said, yeah, I take that with
a grain of salt. He's obviously coming from a place
of empowerment. He's got hundreds of millions of dollars in
(23:20):
the bank. If he stopped doing it today, he'd be fine.
Much different than say, like a Pat McAfee's saying that
who's trying to get to the top.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
A good point. It's a good point.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I have another name throwut there back in the sports world.
I always thought this was his best strength of his
show was doing the interviews, and not always with sports people,
sometimes the actors. Rich Eisen, I think is a good interviewer.
I think that other parts of his show, maybe you
may some of the criticism or like the critiquing in
his monologues or not, you know, not always super opinion sharpened. Well,
(23:57):
he has he has business interested. You know, he can't
be super critical of certain entities because he might, you know,
work for them. But he is a very good interviewer
and I've always enjoyed his interviews. I always thought his
voice has a calm sounding voice and does a great
job interviewing anybody from sports or outside of sports.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, I think his desire to do outside of sports
really is what's pushed him. I think he is really good.
He is really knowledgeable, and he he does this stern
thing where he kind of takes you down the path
of what their what their life was like, and and
those major moments.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That's a good one. That's a good one.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
I really wish Bob Costas would do a podcast. I
really would do. He's my favorite of all time.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, he's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And and you know who who is actually great as
well was Tarico was really good when he had a show.
Tarrico's issue was that he would never get he would
never tackle anything negative, perceived negative or whatever. Would just
like if somebody's like, yeah, I want to stay away
from that, Like all right, we're.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Not asking He he and what's the word not impersonates,
but he to me represents everything vanilla in our business.
He's nothing edgy at all. About Tarico other than his personal.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
One talk about thirty years ago.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
I think I think that's okay. People have certain lanes
that they stay in. That's just their brand, you know. Yes,
And there's a big enough tent out there. The world
is big enough to have all these people under it.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
You know.
Speaker 8 (25:25):
If you want to go to a hard, hinting, hitting interview,
you go to someone else. If you want maybe something
that's more positive on in on the script, it's Tarico.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I think he does a very good job.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
I think one constant that we're hearing in a lot
of these or these these interviewers get amazing guests. And
I also the true like feeling is what about when
the guest isn't something that maybe you know about or
know of.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yes, that that's when you're really good. Yes, that's when
you're really good.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Like you're you're bringing this guests like, you know, presence
and role in the world to the light of the
people that you know.
Speaker 7 (25:58):
They're some lot.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
No, let's just I'll be honest you So my All
Ball podcast is based upon Howard Stearn's interview of Meghan Trainer.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I told you guys this story on air.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
No tell us some story.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
That's sarcastm right there.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So I'm driving from Murphy'sboro, Tennessee, to Bolding Green, Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
I've been there to mur Borough, home of Middle Tennessee
State University.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's right, which, by the way, is like now almost
part of Nashville. Nahville has gotten so big anyway, So
I decide I'm just drive and there's a gigantic thunderstorm,
gigantic and I'm listening to it and I it's it
was fascinating, like her life story and I would never
be a Meghan Trainer fan. She's just you know, I
(26:50):
like one of her songs, but whatever. And the way
in which he made her interesting and she told her
story was fast to me, so fascinating to me that
I was in this terrible thunderstorm and you know, it's
going in and out with satellite radio. And my wife
at the time she called me and she's like, where
are you. I'm like, I don't know, I'm somewhere and she's.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Like, well, drop up, hint.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I was like why, She's like, because I think you're
like in the path of a tornado. I'm like what,
So I literally pulled over.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
I got it.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
You know that was it.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
I didn't want to get out the car, so I posted.
I pulled underneath an overpass, which is what you're supposed
to do, right if you're in the middle of nowhere,
you pulled underneath it overpass. But I pulled out just
so so that when it was clear I could I.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Could hear the interview. Did hear the interview?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
And uh? Storm passed the whole interview. Did get on
my car till it was done?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
So yeah, was it?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Wasn't it Ellie Goulding?
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Wasn't that who it was?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Or Golding? Isn't I thought, I've heard you tell the
story before. Maybe it was Megan Trainer.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Megan Trainer. She was talking about how she looked. She
was in La Reid's office. Oh, and she was supposed
to play It wasn't all about that bass. I think
it was I'm Gonna love You like I'm gonna lose you,
And she thought it was. She just had the first
first down and she used to, like Stapleton, write for
everybody else and she had to learn how to play
(28:17):
the whole song in like a boardroom all day on
her ukulele. Finally, end of the day she goes in
plays her for La Reid and he's like, great, let's
record it. And he's like, for who for you? And
that changed your life?
Speaker 8 (28:29):
Eli Golding can't hold us candle to Megan Trainer's life story. Apparently,
according to Doug, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
No, I don't know, Eli Golden, yees.
Speaker 8 (28:36):
I think we got them confused once this kind of
discussion came up sometime in the past.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Guys are making fun of me. I know.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's what's happening, and that is the Midway.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
The Midway. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at
Fox Sports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
For over forty years, Tyrek has been helping customers find
the right touch for how what when they drive some
pretty back by free road aster protection with convenien slation
options like Bulltire installation. Tyrat talk how the way tire
buying should be. Hey, let's get to our tyret play
the day Dodgers audio networking in five seventy LA Sports
with call HUNSI slings hits a drive right center field, this.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Pop back, he is gone.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
He's done it again.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Two home runs on the night for Monsei and the
Dodgers lead at four to two.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That's your guy, Max Munsey, right, That's that's what the
Dodgers have been needing, is little Max Muncie. Dodgers win,
Yankees lose, seems like a good day in the in
the ad Jason Stewart household.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
So there's this theory if you listen to Dodger sports talk,
or read the message boards, or you're a part of
Dodgers Twitter, there's a segment of people who was not
pissed off at Andrew Friedman for doing zero at the
trade deadline, and they they were playing the same notes.
It was almost like when the Democrats send their talking
points out to all their all their political.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
They all did, by the way, the yeah, you can
do the same thing, right.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
They said, the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the IL, Like so many people said that it sounded scripted.
Max Munsey came off the IL. So for one night,
for a period of two and a half hours, that
minority of people who thought they were very clever by
(30:23):
saying that the Dodgers trade deadline are people coming off
the IL, they were proven right for two and a
half hours.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Pretty amazing though, how one guy can one guy can
help and we'll see you. You know, Aaron Judge couldn't
do it for the Yankees last night, didn't they lose
no walk off? I think they did, but you mentioned
how much the Yankees need Aaron Judge. Same type of thing, right,
Sometimes one guy obviously Aaron Judge a little bit more
than Max Muncy. They can make a difference in stats,
but sometimes it's just a bad energy. We'll get to
(30:57):
Adam Kaplan in a moment. It's our Fox Sports Radio
NFL Insider. He also host the Inside the Birds podcast. Uh,
I do think that the Dodgers are the most interesting
thing in baseball right, Like, don't get me wrong, living
in Wisconsin. The Brewers are super interesting and they've had
an unbelievable year. But the Dodgers, if they have the
(31:20):
ability to repeat, and then they were playing so well,
and yes it was injuries, but then they just started
to fall apart. Now they've won but two of three,
three of five, you know, they got to finish up
this home stand for the thing on the Angels that
it's the Padres series, and then it gets really interesting.
They play the Padres like I think six out of
nine games, so we'll find out where the Dodgers are
(31:44):
at that point in time. Stuck Gottlab show. You're on
Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in Adam Kaplan. Of course
he has the Inside the Birds podcast. Plus he's our
Fox Sports Radio NFL insider, and Adam, let me ask you.
What are people like yourself who cover the the NFL
saying about the NFL Network and ESPN merger.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
Yeah, it's interesting. So Doug, you may or may not
have known this, but back I think No. Nine or
twenty ten, ESPN and NFL Net in the NFL actually
talked about potential for a merger, but I didn't go far.
But and there were there were concerns about how much
control the NFL wanted over content and all that, so
it didn't happen. I just remember when I got to
(32:25):
ESPN in twenty thirteen, it's one of the first things
I heard about. And then you always want to could
this ever happen? And it's going to happen, and we're waiting.
Obviously it's got to get approved by government and it
will and then see how this shakes out. But it's
it's very interesting a lot of people are curious about
what this is going to look like. We're certain shows,
(32:45):
shows going to go? What control? What is NFL? What
is ESPN going to do with NFL networks programming? Certain shows?
Are they going to get a rid of shows? What's absorbed?
What's not that? When you have a merger, that's what happens.
It's like, what do they take? What do they decide
not to keep going? So it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
It's gonna be really really interesting, really interesting. Okay, let's
get to some of the stuff. What's going on with
the Cowboys? He had Jerry Jones with the acting like
they had a deal agreed to. He's like, hey, when
about the cowboys? Thirty second conversation, a handshake agreement, But
Michael Parsons still hasn't signed the term sheet.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
What are you hearing about? What's actually going on in Dallas?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
All right, here's what happened, so and here and I'll
get to where we're at now. So basically, Jerry Jones
and Michael Parsons had some pretty interesting conversations about what
the contract would look like, land guarantees and so forth.
But Parsons put a stop to it because He's like,
wait a minute, my agent's not involved. I haven't agreed
(33:47):
to anything. But they did talk. They talked heavily what
it would look like. But David mulget is his agent,
and Jerry never ran it by Mulligeta, and Parson's put
a stop to it, so we moved back. We move
this forward a bunch of months, and he's having a
hold in his Parsons and Jerry Jones thinks that they
had a handshake agreement, but Jerry tried to pull a
(34:09):
fast one. It's it's not good. If you're Michael Parsons,
you simply can't play on the contract that you have,
and nor does he plan to. And the Cowboys they
would like the deal done like Michael would, but Jerry
wants to kind of hold him to what they agreed to.
(34:30):
But Micah, of course doesn't think he agreed to anything.
They just they talked heavily about what it would look like.
So he's gonna make Parsons's gonna make twenty four million
this season, and then you know, if for some reason
this doesn't get done by the start of the season,
which I still think it will, then you've got next year.
On the fifth year option. But he's so vastly underpaid.
(34:51):
I mean, we got deals now over forty million for
edge rushers, and the guy JJ Watt turns thirty one
this fall and it's going to average forty one million
a season. So yet this has to get done. This
circus is just it's this is a different one though.
I'll tell you this is for as long as I've
covered this business twenty seven years, I've not seen a
situation like this where owner back tried to backdoor a
(35:13):
contract negotiation without the agent being involved.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Why did he do that?
Speaker 7 (35:17):
You already you would have to ask him. I See
what I find interesting is I know that Jerry and
Mike have had an interesting relationship where Mike has respected
Jerry a lot and they've talked a lot. And now
Jerry might say, hey, listen, I just wanted to talk
to him and see where he was at and escalade
to something. But Jerry never said, hey, let's get your
(35:39):
asient involved, let's get this done right now. It was
He's like, it's kind of like you mentioned the term sheet, Well,
we've got agreement average per season length and guarantee it
signing that did and then obviously your agent has to
look it over.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
But that's it.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
That's that's kind of the way that he looked at it.
And that's not the way you have to do it,
because he Parsons clearly says he did not agree to it.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
But again, but what is the why would they grab
him and not run it by his agent?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
What is the main.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Well, because because you know, in contracts you can have
a verbal agreement, but it's not you can't enforce it
because it's not written. And that's what you know. Jerry
was talking about that in a way that with the
media this week. He knows that they have to have it,
they have to have a contract, but he thinks it's
a foregone conclusion that they have a deal. So that
(36:30):
what you're what you have is their loggerheads here and
at some point Jerry Jones has got to talk to
his agent, David Mulligata. And in the way it is,
as you know, in contract negotiation, so you don't lose leverage,
neither side wants to call each other. That's that's the
way I can tell you with NFL contracts, it typically
it's like the agent does not want to call. They
(36:52):
typically will not call less absolutely necessary.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox supports radio term mc lauren.
What's going on there?
Speaker 7 (37:01):
Yeah, so you've this is very odd hold it. He
claims he's got an ankle injury. They definitely want to
do a deal. He wants to get a deal. They're
not close as a couple as forty eight hours ago,
I understanding was that they were not close. He wants
a deal in the neighborhood of DK Metcalf, which is
thirty three million year. Metcalf, by the way, is a
couple of years younger. Mclaurin's sort of like the heart
(37:23):
and saw the football team. Here's what you have, Doug,
to sum us up. You've got a GM in Adam Peters,
who definitely wants to extend mclaurin's contract. But he doesn't
have the same urgency that you would have if you
have if you drafted the player, and he just doesn't
have that. It's just the way it is. He just
forever reason doesn't see it the way McLaurin does. Now
(37:45):
they're not. It's not like they offered him twenty million
and he wants thirty three. You're talking about somewhere around
twenty seven to twenty eight million. They got to get
it up. They got to move up, and plus they
got to guarantee at least two years and maybe even
part partially for the third. So they're not there yet,
but the season doesn't start till September. But it's not good.
(38:08):
One thing you should know, Doug and why. It's highly
unluckly not impossible, but it's highly unlikely that they would
want to trade a McLaurin. They have no one to
fill in for him, literally nobody, and Deebo Samuel doesn't
play the same position receiver position, but he plays more
of a slot gadget hand it off slants where mclaurin's
there one deep threat. So yeah, they're not prepared now.
(38:31):
If something escalates, I could tell you that they would
have to get a receiver back in the trade, but again,
they really don't want to trade him.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
I want to play for you something.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
This is Lewis Riddick, Yeah, who work with them? Okay, So,
so Shador Sanders is going to start the first preseason
game for the Browns, right, And it's by default right
because they got injuries to the three guys that had
him on the depth chart, or at least two of
them at them on the depth chart, with Joe Flacco
being old enough. We know we know Joe FLACKO. Okay,
(39:01):
so this was Lewis Riddick earlier today.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps.
They play a whole half of a game, and then
(39:26):
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,
damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You
never even talked to me during practice, But now you
expect me to know. That's what they're gonna expect of him.
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid,
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling you,
he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
Okay, So he's paying a very difficult picture for Shudor Sanders,
which is reasonable, but he's acting like the Browns are
intentionally putting him in a situation where he's going to
fail and holding him to a standard which would be
deemed as unfair. Again, that defies logic to me, because
the Browns they should want a young quarterback to be
(40:06):
able to play, to do what San Francisco has done
the last four years and play a guy and not
pay him anything. What's the reality on your hearing of
how the Browns feel about shred Or Sanders.
Speaker 7 (40:16):
Well, a couple of things, Doug. The thing that Rick
is talking about, I think is that Sanders has had
very little work with their first team offense. And that's
you know, that's not great because it's a timing thing,
a rhythm thing.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
You would you rather play with the fourth stringers?
Speaker 7 (40:30):
Well here's the but no again, I'm just telling you
where I'm just explaining you from a football.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I understand what he said.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
I mean, I understand he's been like one day throwing
with with the ones he's had obviously all this lead
up and prep after that, But I get like, what
what are the other options that they have well they
have Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 7 (40:47):
Yeah, they they signed Tyler Huntley, who just got there,
by the ways, been with them before, and now their
decision not to play Flacco, it's not about evaluating him.
They know what they have in Flacco. He brought them
to the playoffs two years ago. You could say, look why,
One might say why why isn't Flack would just play
the first half and Sanders closed the second half, played
the second if that, that, to me would been the
(41:07):
smart thing. But they want Sanders to start here. It's
it's not I it's not ideal. I would agree with
Lewis on that. It's not a great thing. Now here's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Much I'm just I'm just telling you right now. I
think it's it's it makes no sense.
Speaker 7 (41:23):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
But let me play player perspective.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
From my from my senses, I would so much rather
play with better players around me, better offensive lineman, better
skill position players, better guys. I can play with them less.
And they're not gonna give him some ornate you know,
game plan right like, nor are they going to see
exotic blitz us from the defense.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's meat and potatoes.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Nobody's showing anything. I would rather play with the good
players than play with the guys that are likely to
be on no rosters or some other roster.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
Although I would tell you though, when you when you're
a third or four shiing quarterback, which you generally has been,
you've worked a lot with those backups.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So again I understand when you've worked with more, others
are just clearly better. I'd what I I'm just I
would much rather play with the starters. That's way better
to me.
Speaker 7 (42:11):
Yeah, I hear you on that. I honestly again to
move us alonger, I would have started Flacco, but Stefanski,
Kevin Stefanski, who's their play caller, decided differently.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
You mentioned your desires, like I would have started Flacco.
There are a lot of teams that are playing their starters.
Speaker 7 (42:25):
In I know it's changed.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Do you know why?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Like we went through like A we went through what A?
When did McVeigh become the head coach of the Rams?
This is like seventeen years.
Speaker 7 (42:34):
Ago, seventeen, maybe twenty sixteen to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Okay, so wow, it's a long tap. So almost the
last decade, Sean McVay has greatly influenced most of the
league most league. It was like, yeah, we'll play him
a little bit, and he was like, we're not playing
him now of a sudden, you know, the pendulum swings.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Why all right?
Speaker 7 (42:50):
So the ways explaining to me is this because I
asked the same question. What there are two things that
have happened. First of all, we went from four to
three preseason games, right that that changed, And the fourth
preseason game is when nobody would play. Third, the third
preseason game was the dress rehearsal. Well, the starters would
play into the second half. They don't do that anymore.
(43:11):
In fact, what you're seeing is, okay, the starters will
come a lot some some teams will play their starters
if they've got to join practice next week. They use
to joint practice as the as the work for the week,
and they don't play in the preseason game. That's been
because the the joint practices have been the big thing
is you know in the National Football League for last
(43:31):
oh four or five years in big time, not every
team all majority of the NFL teams do it. Sure,
but it's what what i'd heard is it's one it's
one last one fewer and the setups a little bit
different with with one less game to evaluate, you want
to get your starters in a little bit more. Now
McVeigh doesn't seem to care. He just he's like, we're
not getting anyone hurt. You know. It's funny Andy Reid
(43:51):
when he was in Philly, he he just he said
to me one year because I'm like, coach, why didn't
you play your starters? Just like my job is to
get my guys to the to the regular season healthy
as possible. But he's changed that with Kansas City, he's
done sort of a one to eighty.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
You mentioned Philadelphia. Obviously this is another another super Bowl
and another departure of their offensive coordinator. How does their
offense look so far in the preseason.
Speaker 7 (44:15):
Yeah, I think it's been uneven. Look, it's it's hard
to go against Vic Fangio's defense, the Egles defense coordinator. Now,
they don't blitz, but you know, the number one defense
last season. And they've had some injuries. A. J. Brown's
missed practical with the hamstring injury. DeVante Smith missed overweek
with a back injury, so that that's definitely been a
problem for getting their timing down. But the last three
(44:38):
days of practice this week they've done much better. And
you know, the big issue for them though, and I
spoke about their defense, is they're gonna have a minimum
of five new starters on defense. They're having a That's
why they made this trade this week with the Raiders
to to get a corner. They're struggling a little bit
opposite Quinnon Mitche who's her first round pick last season. Yeah,
Jacorey and Bennett is the corner. It's gonna wear a number.
(45:00):
But he not came out from Raiders, so by the way,
Eagles really liked Uh. He unfortunately had laboram surgery, shoulder
labor surgery. So he's fine now he's been in practice.
But that's the situation to watch the left cornerback position
for the Eagles, it's it's it's not not looking good
right now. That which is why they may just they
just made this trade this week.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
All right, NFL NFC North is really interesting. Let's start
in Minnesota. What are you hearing Jordan Addison suspended first
three games. That doesn't help the wide receiving core. And
you got essentially a rookie quarterback in JJ McCarthy. You know, look,
it's hard to tell. We watched little clips, but the
little clips don't look great. What are you hearing in
terms of returns on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 7 (45:37):
Yeah, so so I'm gonna go back to last summer.
So when he came in, you know, he's a first
round pick and a lot of teams I talked to fact,
I know team's had a their round great on him.
He had issues with mechanics, footwork, and boy, Kevin O'Connell
made great strides with him. He got hurt in that
first preseason game against the Raiders, and he looked fantastic.
I mean, he looked really good. And then he tours
miniscus sometime in that game, and and his off season.
(46:01):
Remember he didn't get clear till till June. It's been
uneven you know you mentioned Addison. I mean, he's a
lot of practice. He just can't. He can't play for
three weeks, first three games. But they're gonna be okay.
They're gonna be okay. Tej Hocketts dealing with something that
their start tight end, which is why they just signed
a tight end this week. Now, one thing you should
know is they're gonna have three new starters on their
(46:23):
offensive line and then Christian Darrisol missed all last season
with an ac ell injury, so it's a little bit
of work in progress there with.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Minnesota Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Caleb Williams, Yeah, Ken, you a scrimmage doesn't look great.
There's a lot of chattery. Doesn't look great. But what
are you hearing about the reality of how the second
year of quarterbacks plan.
Speaker 7 (46:40):
Yeah, it's been. It's look, it's been very challenging for
Ben Johnson to get cable ones to play with discipline,
it's been. He's certainly been uneven. It's gonna take some time.
Ben Johnson coaches real hard. He did a great job
with Jared Goff, who was a reclamation project after he
came up from the Rams. This is gonna take more.
Williams mechanics are aren't great. He's got great talent, loose
(47:03):
thrower man, he's got a great arm. They're super loaded
with offensive talent, skill positions. They too much of Minnesota.
They have three new starters on the tier of their
offensive line. But they're super excited about the upside of
this team. And Ben Jonson will say this, he coaches
hard and he's brought a ton of discipline in They're
building and the players so far of taken to it
(47:23):
because there's going to be accountabilding that building, because there
was not last season.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
You're the best man.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Love working with you, love having you on, and love
your your overall knowledge of everything that's going on.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
It's so great. Thanks so much for being Yes Sports Radio.
You got all right.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
That's our Fox Sports Radio insider and unbelievable asset to
is Adam Kaplan Inside the Birds, of the podcast covering
the Eagles does a great job
Host
Doug Gottlieb
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.
24/7 News: The Latest
The latest news in 4 minutes updated every hour, every day.