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August 11, 2025 • 42 mins

Doug reacts to the first full weekend of NFL preseason action and highlights Shedeur Sanders' impressive debut for the Browns. Former NFL GM Tom Telesco joins Doug to give his thoughts on how the Chargers can move forward without Rashawn Slater on their offensive line. Plus, the guys give their Love and Hate for the weekend, including why Doug takes issue with the AP Preseason Poll.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:25):
and we got football games to discuss, all right, NFL
quarterbacks to discuss, maybe a little maybe a little baseball.
I don't see a bunch of that in the rundown
because I don't know. I just we have Did I
mention we have NFL football going on right now? Did
did I mention?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
That?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
So cool to be sitting down in a sports bar
and to see and to see NFL football. I'd like
the NFL is so brilliant in their branding, you know.
I just I can't get over how excited I am.
Are you guys like that? Well, we told you that
Friday would be potentially a day reckoning for one side

(01:10):
or the other, and this is sort of what we do,
right It's like the Sydney Sweeney thing from last week.
Nobody I know who actually matters in this world was
like offended by the jeans ad but the right brilliantly
found a way. Okay, you find a couple of tweets
from some crazy people, like, look, there's three hundred and

(01:31):
fifty million people in the United States, half of one
percent is still over a million and a half people.
All it takes is a couple tweets here or there,
and you're like, look, got the liberals, Hey, you hate
Sidney Sweeney. Cue all the dancing sorority girls, right, And
it becomes an either or like you either have to

(01:52):
you have to love women showing that which I think
most people do showing their bodies in tasteful ways, or
you have to be anti anything, which is a super
small percentage of people. But again, you take a couple
of people, a couple of treats. It's the same thing
with Shadoor Sanders're like, what, yeah, hey, nobody said shad

(02:16):
Or Sanders stunk like those words were never But he
clearly rubbed a lot of people the wrong way with
how he presented himself, how he interacted with people during
the pre draft process. Very obvious. You factor in that
with a limited number of teams who felt like they

(02:38):
wanted to invest in a quarterback this year, you know,
because first round of investing it and then it became
kind of a snowball effect. But this is you're made
to feel like you're either pro Shchoud door Sanders, which
there are definitely are pro shaudor Sanders, but there's lots
of people that are pro shchaudor Sanders just because they
feel like it's the man keeping down. It's so weird, right,

(03:05):
Here's a kid that comes from wealth, it's played for
his dad, that's been really good, and we make it
out like he was walking backwards uphill in snow twenty
mile an hour, winds in his face at every possible opportunity.
But you do have some anti Chador Sanders sentiment only

(03:28):
in that dude really play football well, then if you
want to have the entourage you can. He puts cart
well ahead of horse. But it's not like there's a
bunch of people going he stinks he can't play. He's
awful that that never occurred. But again, people who are
pro shaudor much will make you think that's what the

(03:51):
narrative was it wasn't it was holds it a little along.
Not a great athlete, really accurate, not a great arm
and some entitlement there. You're like, all right, like that's
a reasonable scanner report. Well, he goes out and he
plays really well after kind of a shaky first I
think two drives with the Cleveland Browns, and after the

(04:14):
game he was sure on this performance. Do you feel
like you did something today to move up the depth chart?

Speaker 3 (04:22):
I honestly don't know, and I don't really care. You know,
whenever it's my turn and I just got to take
advantage of it. I feel like, you know, today I
did some good, some bad, and I know moving forward,
you know, I won't make the same mistakes twice. Does
not am I going throw? And you know, regardless of
whatever the situation, it does not up to me. And
it is what it is. I just got to, you know,

(04:43):
except whatever, whatever, everything come with.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay. So that's Shador Sanders. There's some you know, old
time cliches in there, but like, let's let's not nitpick.
He's an NFL rookie. He handled all the questions really well.
I don't think he needed to go and confront to
Cleveland Reporter about the negativity. All you do is negativity
or whatever. Just go play football. The rest takes care
of itself. It really does. It does. But he's seen

(05:10):
his dad do that, and that's how he carries himself.
You know, my son carries himself much like I do.
People say that all the time, your son, he's got
your manners. Yeah, he's my son. That's actually how it
kind of works. So you know, I land on this thing,
going he look good, look good. The question becomes you know,

(05:32):
I love and I loved his answer about I won't
make the same mistakes twice. That's what sports is about.
That's what experience is about. Anybody can have experience. But
are you continuing to make the same mistakes over and
over and over and over again, or you are you evolving?

(05:52):
And he'll play against better defenses. You know, he'll play
with better players as well, like they didn't play all
their starters. And I'm just not somebody who's gonna sit
here and freak out because I've seen this enough and
this is what we do. We're just as guilty of
it in the media as anybody else. We make it
out to should or stinks or should door is awesome
and everybody's got it wrong. Whereas my take is I

(06:15):
thought he's pretty good, but god, he's arrogant, and I
just imagine blowing off your dream job interview time and
again and then being surprised when you don't get the job.
That's not how I operate, not how anybody I know operates.
But to this test, he passed, and please don't sit

(06:39):
here and say passed with flying colors. We don't know
even by his own estimations, he made mistakes. It's is
he on an upper trajectory? Will he get better? And honestly,
what really matters is the guys in that locker room.
If they buy into him, it doesn't matter what we think.
If they will kill for him, it doesn't matter what
we think. The thing that and a lot of NFL

(07:00):
scouts off was not just how he was in those meetings.
It was also the fact that there was a feeling that,
you know, everybody played for him, not with him. You know,
when the offensive line broke down, you know that that
there would be hell to pay, because whereas when he
made a mistake, there would not. You know, there's always

(07:23):
the assumption of daddy ball, whether it exists or doesn't
exist playing for your father. I get it. It's very difficult.
Shador passed, probably failed with the entourage thing and was
in that negative with confronting a local reporter. What's the point,
you know, go play win games, get the team behind you,

(07:45):
get the coach to buy in, and when you get
your opportunity, kick ass. That's all you can do. But
I I just this is this is Lamar Jackson. People
are like, well, Lamar Jackson. They said he couldn't throw, Like, no,
he wasn't accurate as a thrower in college. He's improved.
Josh Allen not accurate as a thrower in college, made
some adjustments now is improved. And I'm not putting him

(08:07):
in that. I'm not putting him in with those guys
because I don't think he has the arm of those guys.
But if you want to know what people really thought,
they thought he was good. They're like, man, there had
to be something going on, and there was in those interviews.
And he's not a plus athlete. He doesn't have a
plus plus arm. He's plus plus and accuracy and he's
played a lot of football. He's got a high football IQ.

(08:32):
My take on shador was. He was as good or
better than most people would hope. But it's just a step.
And it also shows the old Dylan Gabriel. Your best
part of your best ability is availability, and he got
left behind. It's a hard one to come back from.
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(08:53):
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He's still moving. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
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he and Mark Dominic, I mean Mark obviously he's done
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(09:56):
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trade.
Of course, Tom for eleven years manager of the San
Diego and La Chargers and last year the Las Vegas Raiders.
Everyone's talking about Shador Sanders performance from a general manager's perspective,
what'd you see?

Speaker 6 (10:14):
Well, I can see, you know, Andrew Barry the gym
of the brown sitting back and at least saying the
traits that we saw in college really showed up in
the game. And that's that's you know, you know, big
time poison in the pocket like nothing ever rattles them,
whether it's pressure, whether it's you know, somebody games getting
beat up front. And he's really accurate with the football,

(10:36):
and especially on the red zone. Red zones at the
hardest place to be accurate because those windows are really tight,
like everything happens faster, and he shows you can footballs
in tight spaces, so you know there's still things that
work on, Like you don't like to see him retreated
as much as he does. Sometimes they go make a play,
but that's kind of like the playmaker mentality that he has.

(10:58):
But you know, I'm proud of him to go through
the process where obviously he thought he's going to be
drafted higher. He wasn't. He's drafted in the fifth round.
He goes in, he's one of four quarterbacks competing, So
when he had four quarterbacks, you know in a competition
there aren't going to be that many snaps. And all
he's gone is take what ever's stats he has and
trying to make him count and then he gets in

(11:19):
the game and really produce. So we'll see where weeks
two and three go. But to me, he's earned a chance,
you know, to play a little bit more, hopefully get
out there with the ones a little bit and show
what he can do. But I feel very comfortable to
the fact that what he saw in college he saw
at least on a professional field. I know his preseason,
but you saw that that same thing.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
What's he missing? Obviously there's the meetings and some of
the arrogance. I'm not sure he did a lot to
dispel that with the with the entourage, But uh what
what is he missing that doesn't allow those things to
be glossed over?

Speaker 6 (11:58):
I don't know what he's missing. I mean, I wasn't
part of the very end process of the scouting of
the player, but I mean, he's played a lot of
football in college. He obviously has a good feel for
the game for how he plays it now is he's
certainly I mean he's picking up the Browns offense and
that's gonna take some work, there's no doubt about that.
But but you know, same with Dylan Gabriel and really

(12:19):
same with Kenny Pickett because he's new to that offense
as well, and he's a young quarterback. So but look,
you know, he can stand in the pocket, he can
deliver the football, and he's accurate, and he's a better
athlete than people think. You know that I think to
his athletic ability. I think when your dad, Dion Standers,
who is one of the best athletes on the planet,
I think people who hadn't seen should or play, disfigured

(12:42):
he'd be able to run like his dad. Well, you know,
he's not his dad as far as an athlete and
speak a concerned but he's still plenty athletic, athletic enough
to get out go gets a chunky yards when he
has to. He can still slide around and move in
the pocket, find an open area and make a throw.
So he's got a lot of things going for him.
And now it was just about turning into a pro
quarterback and getting getting a hold of the offense. And

(13:05):
I think he's gonna be fine in the end. Will
up you this year? I don't know, but I think
you know he'll be a starter at some point.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
In this league.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jackson Dart
one preseason game in what are your thoughts?

Speaker 6 (13:19):
I like what I saw, I really did. And he's
another one. You know, when you watch these players play
in college, you're projecting their trades at the next level,
and sometimes they translate, sometimes they do not. And Jackson
a lot of the same things you saw in college
he saw in his first preseason game. He's very athletic,
he's tough, he can go run with the football. They
are probably a couple plays you probably should have slid,

(13:42):
he didn't. He kind of brings out moxy to the offense.
And one of the biggest things he saw in college
with him is he can hang in the pocket, burst
pressure and make a throw and take a hit and
still deliver the ball on time with accuracy. And he
showed that more than a couple of times. You know,
it is whatever that I think he played maybe a
half of football, so I'd love to see that, Like

(14:04):
the bug is out of his hand quickly, and he
is extremely tough. So again, you're seeing the same things
you saw in college with him, and as a general
manager when you draft the players, that's what you're hoping.
You're hoping that transition isn't going to be as big
as you would think you're projecting forward. But the things
that I saw with him, I thought they were pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
I know J. J. McCarthy didn't play a lot, but
you also evowed him going back to last year in
the draft. What are your thoughts on the Vikings and
young quarterback.

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Yeah, you know, when I was with the Raiders last year,
we had a chance, we played them in the preseason
and he played in that game before he got hurt,
and he played extremely well against US. He moved the team.
He's a really good athlete, he's got a good seat,
made a couple of big throws, but he just hasn't
played a lot of football yet, and missing all of
last year due to injury, where you're doing a lot

(14:57):
more rehab than you're doing anything practice wise, it just
sets them back a little bit. But he made a
couple of decent throws here the other day, just didn't
play a lot of snaps in the preseason game. So
right now, it's just him trying to get up the
speed with the offense and with Kevin O'Connell, which which
I think that's a good combination I have when when
Kevin O'Collins were head coach and kind of see how

(15:19):
that that plays along. And he's not. He's a difficult
situation just because they're that's a fourteen win team last year,
so this is not like this is not a rebuild
a retool. This team's built to win right now, uh,
you know, with their offense and their defense, So he's
gonna have to bring up his game.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Kind of push.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
He pushed them along, But I just think it's gonna
take a little bit of time even into the fall
to kind of get him into the mix, just because
he missed so much. He's especially a rookie right now,
but now not only is he a rookie, but he
missed all of last year of just development, practice and playing.
So we'll see more from him, assuming he'll play more
in preseason two to kind of get him ready for

(15:58):
opening day. But to the skills are there, he's just gonna
have to take some time.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Of course, Tom was most
recently the gym manager of the Las Vegas Raiders. Before that,
he's gem manager of the LA Chargers. Chargers tough news
last week, Shaun Slater, who you drafted at Northwestern Star
left tackle, was a Pro Bowler is his rookie season, right,

(16:24):
I mean, and an All Pro as well, and he
ruptured his Patel attendant, Uh, give me your outlook for
their what's their offensive line look like? In front of
Justin Herbert considering how much they want to run the football?

Speaker 6 (16:40):
Yeah, I mean, I still think they'll be okay, and
they're obviously not going to be as good. I mean,
they had the probably the best tackle duo in the
league with with Rashaan and Joe Walt, and but you know,
they can move Joe Walt to left tackle, which they
already have in practice, so he'll move over to left.
Joe Walt's going to be a Pro Bowl tackle if
not this year, real, real, soon they can put Trade

(17:03):
Pipkins at the right tackle, who has played a lot
of football. I know that, you know they'll be a
drop off from Joe Walt to trade Tipkins. I realize that,
but you know there's things you can do with the offense,
to chip, to help to know where you may have
to give a little help on one side of the line.
But so I think they can survive this. Obviously not
going to be as dominant as they thought they were

(17:24):
going to be becau they're losing a big time players.
It's it's really difficult to see, you know, a guy
that just you know, Rashana just signed that deal. He's
ready to go. They're built with the offensive line to
see him go down. It's difficult, I know, but I
still think they think they can be Okay. Thank God,
they've got old to move over there there on the
left side and kind of keep it moving. They'll have

(17:47):
to change up a little bit, probably with head where
ends up being the right tackle. Mkai Becton's played tackle.
I think he's a better guard than tackle. So my
thought is a guest, that they'll probably just leave him
at guard and put him next to Trade Pipkins. I
guess we'll kind of see as he worked through the preseason.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Tom Telasco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. You know you were we
were talking earlier about about quarterbacks. Uh, the Matt Stafford thing.
So Matt Stafford's not going to practice today. Multiple ports said.

(18:23):
Stafford's in street clothes and has entered into the wellness
chamber before the session. He's got this disk issue in
his back. I put you in charge of the LA Raiders.
What do you do? I mean LA Rams, what do
you do?

Speaker 6 (18:39):
My first question is what's the wellness chamber? I think
I could use that. Yeah, I don't even know what
that is. Look, I mean, i'd be concerned about it obviously.
You know, an older quarterback with a back issue that
seems like it's been lingering a little bit here. It's
certainly a concern. You know, they've got Jimmy Garoppolo, who

(18:59):
is uh, you know, a veteran quarterback, make quick decisions,
get the ball, he gets the ball out of his hands.
He can move the team. But again, my concerns there is,
you know, he's had his own injury issues with with
the Patriots and with the forty nine ers and then
even with the Raiders. So you know, obviously he can
go in, he can start and get them through. I
just worry about if something happened to him. So this

(19:21):
the other day, Set and Bennett played a majority of
the game to try and get him somewhere. Stem hadn't
played football in over a year, so they're trying to
probably put their Plan B and Plan sees together. Obviously,
Stafford his Plan A. He played at such a high
level last year, which is really remarkable for where he
is in his career. But you're going to have to

(19:41):
have some different plans ready to go just in case
this doesn't go where they wanted to go. And that's
that's the concern, is, you know, back to unpredictable uh,
and he's in an age that it's a little bit
harder to come back from these injuries, you know, despite
what his toughness level is. So that's what their whole
preseason is going to be about right now, is figuring
out what's Plan B if for some chance he's not

(20:02):
ready for opening day or he's ready for opening day.
But maybe it's hurt in the middle of the season.
But it's certainly something to watch.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh, I don't I don't think there's any question is
something to watch. Micah Parsons, You know, what, what's the
reality to how deals are done? Right? Because what we've
gotten was they had some sort of agreement but no
agent involved. And Dave mcgett is a powerful agent, he's
his agent. Best guess what what do you think happened there?

Speaker 6 (20:34):
I don't know, because the agent is always going to
be involved. You're just you're never going to do a
deal Espe's a deal to this magnitude without the agent
being a part of the process. And you know, maybe
they've done things a little bit differently in Dallas, but
I don't think they've done very many times. I mean,
I'm sure they've talked to players who through the contract process,
which isn't common, but some some teams may do that,
but the agent is always going to be a part

(20:55):
of it. So at this point, I just think, get
number one, he had to repair the relationships first. And
you know, I'm just speculating that that it needs to
be repaired, but it sure sounds like it if they're
not even speaking right now, if that is true. So
number one is repair the relationship with the player and
the agent, and then then and then the second part
is they have to, you know, work on the numbers

(21:17):
part of it. That should be the easier part. But
number one, you just got to get everybody on the
same page, in the same room. I don't know where
they are right now. I just I have no feel
for this. It's a different type of situation that I've
seen with the team just trying to just directly dealing
with the player. Which there's a reason why players have agents,
and the agents do this for a living. They negotiate

(21:40):
hundreds upon thousands of contracts and the players use them
for guidance and advice. That's why the players pay them,
especially deals like this. So I didn't think there was
any way there was going to be a deal done
without the agent being involved. And then when you when
you talk publicly about that, we're not even talking to
the agent. To me, that just stokes the fire and
that just doesn't help things at all. So hopefully I

(22:01):
can get things smoothed out first with the player, with
the agent, they work on it from there. They still
have a good amount of time before opening day. But
you just you want to get this done.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
You.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
I know, Michael Parson does not need every snap in
the in practice right now, but we do need some
to get ready to play for opening day. You don't
want to just run out there and then God forbid
you have like a soft pitchue injury or something that
because you weren't you know, fully participating in camp. So
we'll see that where that plays out. But it is
taking a lot longer than I had anticipated right now.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yeah, yeah, it does. Why do you think so many
teams played there, guys in the first preseason game more
so than the past.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
You know what, that's funny because I, you know, just
watching these games, I was able to watch more of
them that I typically would be able to when I
was a GM, but I noticed a lot more starters
playing as well. I was actually going to go through
and just do some work to see if that's true
or not, But at least by my eye, I think
more teams played their starters. It kind of goes and
ebbs and flows. I mean, there's there's there's no one

(23:04):
perfect way to do it, but obviously I think some
teams are doing it hopefully to get a quicker start
in September. And I know that's why the Bengals did it.
Get their guys some more work, some more live work.
And but I can tell you all it takes is
one star player to get hurt in the preseason game
and the coaches will will turn it around and as
they'll start, they'll start not playing their guys again. So

(23:25):
like I said, I think it goes up and down.
I think I think probably depends where your team is.
That's a big part of it, where your team is
on the developmental scale. But yeah, I know it's the
same thing. More starters playing than usual, which was great
for me. It was fun to watch some more frontline
guys playing the preseason. Is this going to be a trend.
I don't know. We'll see, But like I said, all

(23:45):
it takes this one injury and it's going to flip
the other way around.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, you thought that the work that guys getting practice
against other teams was better than the preseason games.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
I did, just because you can control it more. You
can work on specific situations you do with ones versus ones,
because some of the preseason games this past weekend, a
team may have been playing their ones against somebody's twos
and threes, and that's not going to be as good
as work. So yeah, I did like the combined practices.
The intensity level was much higher than a regular practice.

(24:16):
You're going against a different defense, you're going against their starters,
but you can control with them. You can still go
live ball what we call stud which is you know
you're gonna fit up, you're going to hit. It's not
gonna take people to the ground, and hopefully the more
people that stay off the ground, there's less chance for
an injury where somebody just rolls into somebody's ankle or
rolls into somebody's knees. So a lot of teams are

(24:38):
doing one and some people are doing two practices with
other teams. I think that's great. I would prefer that
in a preseason game, but again, everybody kind of looks
at it a little bit differently.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Taught me, you're the best man. Thanks so much for
your time in joining us. Look forward to our visit
next week and being our guest on Fox.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Sports Radio anytime. Doug, take care.

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Speaker 8 (25:47):
Sorry?

Speaker 7 (25:48):
The context of that labeling was interesting, to be rebound rebound, Ilo, rebound.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
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Speaker 7 (25:57):
Well, actually mine is along these lines, and I just
discovered this a short time ago when thinking about this, Uh,
this is actually a pretty funny thing that I enjoyed
over the weekend. So New England Patriots receiver that the
headline here is reporter asks Patriot receiver for his wife's

(26:18):
phone number. So here's the context that I'll play the audio.
Kendrick Bourne uh speaking with reporters covering the Patriots, and
one of the reporters complimented the clothes he was wearing
that day, and Kendrick Bourne very proudly said that his
wife was his stylist. And then the reporter goes on
to ask Bourne for his wife's phone number, and it

(26:40):
was a pretty funny exchange.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
Listen, so my wife is actually my style of shot
out to my wife.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
She's gonna love this.

Speaker 6 (26:47):
She puts it all together for me, So she's doing good.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I don't know what she got ready for me, but
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, she's behind it all. She's can you give her?

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Can you get it?

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Can I get a number?

Speaker 1 (26:59):
In the respectful way for the strictly wardrobe part of life?
Hold on what me?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Hold on? What is he asking? What are you asking?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Business car our Instagram has Vanessa Bourne go check around.
That's awesome.

Speaker 7 (27:16):
That's so funny and now all our listeners have her
her Instagram. But yeah, I thought that was hilarious, So
that amused me.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
To no end.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
I'll tell you what I loved. I love the announcement
that the UFC is coming to Paramount plus and there'll
be no increase in fees I guess as of now,
so no more pay per views for UFC. Seven billion dollars.
That's crazy, seven billion dollars. And what that means is

(27:45):
that there's obviously the belief there that UFC fight fans
will follow wherever Dana and Mark Shapiro says to go.
And I think that's very possible. In the in the
uh what's it called the wars of all these different networks,

(28:07):
you know you have you go with the NFL and
ESPN tying to them, and then with with CBS. You
know they have some properties, but get in the UFC
and I think NBC has done really well again. I
know Fox is launched in their app, but it's the
content that feels like it's missing. I'll be interesting to

(28:30):
see what they have on it. But love the love
the UFC being not free but being a monthly fee
with paramount And maybe it's because I already had Paramount
plus that might be it. I love what that means.
You have Paramount plus two, all right, Chris Prophet, which

(28:51):
you let for the weekend, So.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
I know, uh, I think some baseball fans were kind
of mixed on it. But I always enjoy when baseball
can go on the road and have a bit of
a spectacle, and I think nothing exemplified that more than
go into Bristol Motor Speedway putting on a baseball game.
We had the reds and the why am I blanking
all of a sudden reds and braves? And I think

(29:17):
the thing I really love for that is I saw
a couple guys and they must have been this must
have been guys who are working in the crew, and
when you get to work in the crew, you get
to find the nice spots at a venue like this,
Because there was a shot during the Fox broadcast two
guys hanging up in the jumbo tron which was being
suspended by why being suspended over the middle of a field,

(29:41):
just kind of hanging up there. I think on the
Fox broadcast they like just zoomed in up there. And
by the way, this was after like I think rains
had delayed the game by a day. I think that's
right Bush something. Yeah, okay, just just just making sure
my memory I've been you know, I'm all over the place,
but that was seeing those guys hanging up there. I'm like, yeah,

(30:03):
that's cool. I love that. I'd love to be able
to hang up just there, just just on this giant
piece of metal, hoping it doesn't crash down with only
wires hanging it up and watch a baseball game.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Nice, Chris, I mean, I'm Ryan Bursch here.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
So on Friday night in baseball, we had a great game.
It was a headline matchup and it turned out to
be a great game. And that was the Blue Jays
visiting the Dodgers in LA, with Max Scherzer and Clayton
Kershaw facing off on the mound, and the matchup delivered.
This is probably the last time these two will ever meet,
which apparently had been the first time they had met

(30:42):
since they met as rookies seventeen years ago, which is awesome.
Of course. The two of them certainly first ballot Hall
of famers and both pitched very well. Kershaw through six
innings of one run ball, and he did that despite
never topping eighty eight miles an hour, which not many
pitch can do. So great to see Kershaw performing so well, right,

(31:04):
now Max Schurz are six innings of two run ball
as well, those only the two runs coming on Mookie
Bets hitting a two run shot, which also I love
because Mookie's really been struggling for quite a bit now,
but he had a pretty solid week at the plate,
and that two run home run his first home run
in nearly a month, so it was great to see
him getting things going. As I said, turned out to

(31:26):
be a beautiful night of baseball, a great game between
two of the very best that we have seen on
the mound in the past couple decades. And the Dodgers
ended up taking two of three from the Blue Jays
in LA, which is, as you mentioned, a big deal
because of the fact that they had been struggling for
so long. The Blue Jays are a very strong team,

(31:47):
the best in the al right now, So loved that.
Just a great weekend of baseball in LA.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
All right, let's get to what we hated from the weekend.
I'll sorry what you prefet with you eave in the weekend.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
So I'm going to Detroit Lions here, I know, shock surprise,
but we have the preseason game, the second preseason game
for the Lions, the first for the Falcons, so Lions Falcons,
and I could have hated a lot of stuff I
saw with hen and Hooker, but I'm not going there.
It's something that happened near the end of that game.

(32:23):
I believe it was like a minute into the fourth quarter,
Maurice Norris gets hit. I'm still kind of a little
unclear on the injury itself because I was like also
working out at the time, so I was kind of
half paying attention. I understand there might have been like
a seizure involved or something, but ambulance has to come
onto the field to take him off. Everyone is, of course,

(32:45):
you know, shaken up over this. This is not something
anyone who ever wants to see in a preseason game.
And then then the then Dan Campbell and Maurice and
Raheem Morris come together and decide, Hey, we're gonna kneel
out the We're basically gonna knee out the clock. There's
fourteen minutes left in this game, but nobody really wants
to continue, especially when we got joint practices and everyone's

(33:05):
worried about Norris, so we're going to just have to
It was the most bizarre thing I've seen just guys
sitting around for fourteen minutes running off the clock to
end the game. And what I hate about this is
that there's no way to stop the game. That apparently, eventually,
sole power to suspend an NFL game, even in the preseason,

(33:28):
rests with the Central Office, which I understand, But the
Central office saw no reason to stop this game when
both teams are like, hey, we don't want to play
it anymore. And I'm just I tell you, I tell you, Doug.
It was the most weird thing I've seen. Fourteen minutes
of guys waiting to go home, waiting to go home
at when neither side intends to continue this game. And

(33:51):
I just I don't understand why there's no mechanism here
for this. I understand we don't really do this in
the regular season, but it's preseason.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Come on, pretty good one.

Speaker 7 (34:04):
It's actually related to this, it's sort of a different component.
So the Lions tweeted a statement saying that after this
happened that Norris has had feeling and movement in all
his extremities, which was the news we were all hoping

(34:25):
for when this scary thing happened, and a comment or
who goes by the handle at Roxy the Doodle posted
and I quote.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Are they going to refund the picks? There were numerous
parlays about to hit and it's over with nearly a
quarter to play at Roxy the Doodle perhaps the worst
person who lives among us.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I saw some other comments that were in that neighborhood.
That's pretty bad one. All right there, Ryan, what do
you got?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
So my hate for the weekend is just I guess
it's the cognitive dissonance I feel with the NFL preseason
in general. As you said off the top of the show,
we're all getting ready for football. We're very much in
the mood for football to return, not just the NFL
but college as well, but the NFL preseason. When these
games come on, it looks like the real NFL. It

(35:26):
feels kind of like the real NFL, but it's it's
still not, so you kind of like, it just feels
weird watching these games and trying to put any stock
in anything. Definitely, of course, with guys like Shudhar Sanders
and a lot of different you know, rookie quarterbacks, you're
getting their first taste of action. That stuff's significant. But
for the most part, like obviously you can't really look

(35:48):
at the scoreboard, you can't really look at a lot
of these veterans who are just kind of getting their
reps in. It's just it's not like spring training, where
spring training, you know, looks and feels very obviously different
and it's just nice to return to normal. It's not
like NBA preseason, because NBA the first part of the
NBA season doesn't even feel like the NBA season. The

(36:09):
NFL preseason is just it just feels so odd because
I'm I'm so ready for football to come back, and
yet I see it and I just can't accept it. Still,
it just makes me even more anxious and ready for
these real games to get going.

Speaker 8 (36:26):
Just an odd thing when you got to cut down
from ninety to fifty three men and it's like these
games now take on the importance of try to scout
those guys. Can I throw in one more real quick
hate about the preseason.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Just side yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 8 (36:39):
Loop, I forget his first name. The Ravens kicker hit
a seventy yarder right, a seventy yard field goal in
the preseason. It was a big deal. Everyone went nuts
over this. I have a problem with this. I don't
like the idea that kickers can now hit from a
range where they're not even in opposing the team's territory.

(37:02):
I think it enables incredibly cowardly coaching. I didn't like
this because I'm seeing it as a force. I know
we're not going to hit seventy yarders in the rag,
but it really it annoys me. I keep thinking, you say,
on the on the rag? Yes, okay, yes, I keep
thinking of you know, you know how uh Nick Saban
lost the kick six game because he decided to trot

(37:23):
out a true freshman kicker for what was that a
sixty sixty plus yard field.

Speaker 7 (37:28):
Goal that collin being just over fifty as I recall.

Speaker 8 (37:32):
I think it was fifty six either way. Like these
long range field goals, I keep thinking of someone like
Kirk Farentz. What if he had a kicker who could
hit from seventy yards. You're telling Kirk Ferentz in his
Iowa offense, you don't even need to cross midfield to
score points. He'll he'll have a full back. He'll have
a full back fall on the ball to center it.
When at the logo, I don't like this. We got it.

(37:54):
We got to stop these long range fields impressive, But
like I'm I'm looking three steps down the road here.

Speaker 7 (38:01):
This is a really good issue because I think this
is going to increasingly become more of a topic of conversation, Doug,
in my opinion, because you know, when you and I
were growing up, the real limit was fifty yards and
it was a real tall order anything besides that, I
actually think this is going to be a big issue

(38:21):
that's going to be talked about in years to come
as these ranges keep increasing.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, I mean, remember you can if you miss it,
that's where the spot of the ball is right. Also,
you can return at the old tick six, So there
are some penalties for if you don't. You can't complete
the mad the madfield goal. I'll tell you it's I'll
tell what I hate. I hate the a people. Now
it's not just because you have writers commenting, right, Like

(38:50):
the eight people is associated press can be anybody. But
what's I think most interesting about the it can be anybody?
Is it? Literally? Is anybody like ask like Brady, Quinn
and LeVar probably know a little bit more about football
than we do. Especially Brady covers more college football, right
the guys on college game Day, the guys on big

(39:12):
noon kickoff, Like that's who should be voting in this poll.
US first thing, second thing is like you got no idea?
Like Boise States ranked twenty five? Why because they're in
the College foot playoff last year? Yeah, well Ashton genty
was their whole offense. They lost a bunch from last year,
and like you don't know about it, these portal guys none,
How do I know, we don't know. The coaches don't know.

(39:34):
Get fifteen practice together, then they go play. So I
just I you know, always had a problem. Today people
are now even worse.

Speaker 7 (39:42):
Hey, Doug, actually along those lines, I'd like to ask
you a follow up, both as a media member and
now as a coach. I know there's coaches polls in
both college football and basketball, and the big rumor going
around is the coaches themselves are just too busy to
do the polls, so their sid person does it for
the what the coaches pulled. But have poles kind of

(40:03):
outlived their usefulness? I mean if poles went away.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I mean sort of. I mean yeah, I think they
have and they haven't. You know, they have in that
they've they just need to evolve. You know. It's like
even who votes for the Heisman Trophy, Like you shouldn't
vote for Heisman Trophy if you cover one college football team,
how do you watch everything?

Speaker 8 (40:26):
I do think as a fan to ILO's point, like,
I definitely pay a lot less attention to the polls,
especially preseason polls have always been kind of suspect, but
especially on these poles, like they don't matter at all
to the College Football Playoffs. Those are the real rankings
we're looking for. It's not like the BCS is still
using the coaches poll or that the AP crowns national
champion anymore. They just kind of feel like we're just

(40:49):
kind of biding our times, trying to hope that we
can predict what the College Football Playoff Committee is going
to say in their rankings, which don't come out until
like late in the season.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Now, Yeah, I think I just I still think they
should exist because people can say they don't care about polls,
then their teams, right number one are not ranked and
they get pissed, right, and they get pissed. So I
definitely think that poles should still exist. I just think
we got to be smarter about them. And I just

(41:19):
am not really convinced that the preseason polls and the
creases and polls are great for fodder. They just are
good discussions come out of it. By the way, Arizona
State's in the top fifteen, Like didn't they lose Camskataboo
and most of their team from last year, But you
know they have you bring in new players and on
paper they look great, but you have no idea how
they're going to play together. So yeah, I mean, I

(41:42):
don't know if they've added list their usefulness. I think
there's I think they're part of the data that we
should have. It's what people think. But I'm just pointing
out the flaws in like we have a poll on
teams that have just started having actual practice together, remember
no spring games and some of these ts. I just
I don't know where they're getting their rankings.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Hey, speaking of rankings, just one last thing on this,
I mean, are we getting to the point where we
could see, like a I come up with like a
legitimate way to rank college football teams using all these
crazy analytics in five years?

Speaker 5 (42:23):
Isn't that what the BCS was?

Speaker 7 (42:27):
Good point, good point, a lot of gigabytes ago, good
point a.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Lot of gigabytes go? And that is game ten those
two I mean, not Canton. That's love and hate, right,
isn't there a love and hate clothes? I think it's
I think so. Anyway, this is the Doug Gotlieb Show
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