August 15, 2025 • 51 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Monse Bolanos in for Doug as they react to the NCAA's announced punishment for Michigan football in the wake of the sign-stealing scandal.
Dan and Monse welcome collegefootballnews.com publisher Pete Fiutak onto the show to discuss the punishment handed down on Michigan football by the NCAA.
Dan and Monse discuss a peculiar choice by the NBA to stream their games on an app.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
If there's anything that you have learned today, it's that
you might as well cheat. You might as well do it.
I'm not saying on your taxes. I'm not saying on
your significant other. All I'm saying is wherever you want
to bend the rules, your models will do it, because,
gosh darn it, you may actually get away with it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It seems like it's okay. It's just frowned upon, Dan,
It's just frowned upon.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It reminds me, and I know this isn't this is
kind of a local story to southern California, but I
felt it was so crazy. You don't think I want
to throw up already. Chris Purfett like, this is, oh
my goodness. We had a car chase this week where
someone hijacked carjacked three different vehicles in southern California, including
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a tanker of milk, and they still got away and
we are still looking for them. And by we, I
mean law enforcement officials, not me on my own time,
but they somehow got away. And you're like, how in
the world did they get away with it? That pales
in comparison to what's happened with the University of Michigan
and their cheating football program.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
How did I miss this pursuit?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yes, you didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I didn't even hear about it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'll tell you why, because I think it was volleyball night.
So that's why I think it was volleyball.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
A man I No, No, nothing happens on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
VI, And we're going to get into the Michigan thing.
And I will try not to bore you. I will
try not to go off on tangents. I will probably
just let Manzi take the reins, because she's the most
level headed one of us here on this topic. But
if I were to say to hey, Manzy, let's do
a show together on Thursday night, You'll be like, it's
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my mom's birthday, but let's do it Saturday. Guess what,
it's my boyfriends. They're honoring him at work here because
of his great work. But I can do it. Manzi,
can you play on volleyball or can you do a
show on volleyball? And sorry, Dan, we can't do it.
It is not going to be able to work my
by the way, indoor gymnasium volleyball, right, it's not like
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beach volleyball, like you're on the shores of the Pacific Ocean.
You don't want to miss it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I am in a gym and I am diving, and
I come out bruised and all beat up, and it's
worth it, and you are not wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know what you should do in your next match
on Tuesday. You should catch the ball and then just
throw it over the net and be like, what are
you going to do to me? Because that's essentially what
Michigan has done. And then when they ask why did
you do that, just don't talk to him because that's
also what Michigan did. They didn't go operate with anything,
and now get leveled with NCAA sanctions that really don't
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hit at the heart of anything.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
No, this is nothing. This is a big timeout. That's it.
This is a joke. And I don't even care about Michigan.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I am not affected by any of this, but never
forget twenty seventeen when the ass shows cheated and against
the Dodgers. Never forget what is the big thing I've
been complaining about when it comes to that, is that
nothing happened. They should have taken away that championship in
twenty seventeen from Houston and hear what's happening with Michigan. Okay,
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so Harbaugh and Connor Stallions and another guy, I have
a time out.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
That's all I'm reading into.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This, and Mancy, it's even more than that. And I
feel that it is a bit of karma because I'm
sure within the last three weeks we've had a conversation
with Jason Stewart, our executive producer here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, Isaac go on Chronic Chris profedor here as well.
You heard Chris play that awful music. The thing that
when Jason went and saw the Astros and Dodgers and
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taunted jose L Twove and I, you know, just I
brought up the point of like nobody else cares, like
only the Dodgers care. And I felt that there was
a similar sense to the Michigan sign stealing scandal because
Ohio State fans like myself and Michigan State fans cared.
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Nobody else did. Nobody else seemed to care. But these
certain fan bases and Manzi, now that it comes down
to what D Day is and we see the punishment,
it's so unfulfilling. And I feel that in a way
when I say, why are you guys still mad about
the Astros that's eight years ago, I feel that that's
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payment for what happening. What's happening today because to your
point of what these penalties are, and for those that
don't know, I'm gonna read them all for a second.
But this just isn't the sign stealing scandal. There was
another scandal prior to this, an other NCUBA violations when
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it came to recruiting and COVID dead periods, the periods
that were violated by Michigan where they also failed to cooperate,
and so now you have another nc doublea situation on
top of that. So it's not just an innocent sign
stealing scandal. There seems to be an organized effort to
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try to cut corners and do things their own way.
And that's why when people just say sign stealing, everybody
does it? Is it such a false phrase in a
false opinion on what this actually is for a school
that now ends up getting four years probation finds that
could surpass thirty million dollars with recruiting restrictions. Jim Harbaugh
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gets a ten year show caust penalty, by the way,
on top of the four year one that he got
from the previous scandal. Current head coach. That's right, current
head coach, he's still the head coach. Charon Moore gets
a two year show cause order. Counter stallions the one
who seemingly carried out all of these deals, eight year
show cause order he was going to coach anyway in
football again. Denard Robinson, a former player, three year show
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cause order who was on staff, and then the fines
would be determined on budget, on postseason revenue, on scholarships.
That's the penalty for Michigan in doing their illegal sign
stealing scandal, on top of the NCAA previous investigation.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's kind of crazy to think that we think we
know all the details when in reality, if you're calling
something the.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Operation KGB, there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
There is a lot more that we actually will never know,
which is the big picture here. And I don't care
about the fines that's gonna affect other parts of Michigan.
I feel Michigan is not gonna take away from their
football program. They're not gonna take away from their breadwinner
and what brings in more money. So I feel like
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these fines are gonna affect other parts of Michigan, other
athletes who literally had nothing to do with this, and
that simple punishment would.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Have just been to vacate the championship. That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
These timeouts that these guys are getting, it doesn't matter.
These players that are still on the team that had
nothing to do with it, I understand, But they're playing
now that team that cheated the KGB is what they're
calling this Operation Connor Stallions.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
They kate the damn championship. It's not complicated, Dan, It's
really simple. It is really easy.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It is really easy, especially Mancy to add on to
your magnificent point when you talk about not wanting to
punish future generations of Michigan players and coaches who are
a part of this, this is part of the problem
is giving them a postseason ban. People said, well, these
players weren't a part of that. Well, you have a
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current head coach who was still a part of it.
When you have Jim Harbaugh who skips out of town.
Jim Harbaugh's show cost penalties go through twenty thirty eight.
He's going to be seventy five years old at that time.
You think he's gonna want to get back into college
football when he's seventy five years old. No, he has
no intentions of ever going back to college football because
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he achieved what he wanted to achieve, and that's bringing
a national championship to his alma mater at any cost possible,
doing everything that you just laid out. The simplicity of
how you laid it out is magnificent, because that's what
it comes down to. If you struck them at the
core of taking away that national championship, you would hear
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an argument of people saying, we saw them play on
the field, we saw that they were the better team.
There's no denying it. That is incorrect because all of
those wins and the wins leading up to building that
team were aided by the fact that they had improper
and illegal intelligence on other schools. So it was part
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of that even when they gave the Big Ten gave
Michigan a three game ban and gave Jim Harbad a
three game ban as this was unfolding during that season,
the three game ban was just a slap on the wrist,
and now it pales absolutely in comparison. They really didn't
have the Big Ten anything to stand on to do
anything to give them a penalty. But they also realized
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that Michigan is their cash cow and was on their
way to a national championship. So there's a whole other
argument of other people benefiting from Michigan's national championship, including
the Big Ten at that time. But to your point
of when Michigan is going to look back on their
national championship team ten years from now, fifteen years from now,
they'll probably do it five years from now, they're going
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to get the loudest ovation because they came through this
scot free. Essentially, Jim Harbaugh when he walks back into
Ann Arbor and is at the Big House, will get
the loudest ovation because they will be honoring their national
championship team that you correctly said should have been taken
away because of these sanctions. And that's the most difficult
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part about it is there are a lot of arguments,
and Doug was in for Colin Cowherd earlier today saying
that these financial ramifications are going to limit the school
and limit the program in the future. We'll see, we'll
see how much that happens. But right now, people want flesh,
they want blood, They want an eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth, and an essence. It
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feels that Michigan got away almost scott free.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
They absolutely got away with it. And if I'm any
other school and I'm paying attention to this, and I've
got maybe a coach that's like, you know, I'm ready
to retire in a couple of years, why don't we
chi and just get a fall guy because we know
they're not going to vacate the championship, and then we're good.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This that's just a bad precedent.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think that the sign stealing scandal on the surface
is not as major if it would have been the
one off, right, but it's not the one operation. Well,
it was not only an operation, Manzi. It's on top
of the previous scandal right that went on that they
were then punished by the NC DOUBLEA. But it's also
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the failure to cooperate. Isn't that the other thing that
we have been told in terms of like, if you're
dealing with law enforcement, the cover up is worse than
the crime. And so when we look at the crime
of sign stealing, it may not be as malicious as
something And there may be other operations that aren't as
elaborate as conter Stallions did that are around college football
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that we don't know about. But it's the fact that
Michigan gave a stiff arm to the NC DOUBLEA and
Jim Harbaugh was the one who was not cooperating. Sharon
Moore is deleting evidence and text messages trying to cover
things up. They knew that they were cheating your point
of what it's labeled. Knew that they were cheating, and
then they said to the NC DOUBLEA, well, we're not
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going to cooperate as much as you would have hoped.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And the NC DOUBLEA said, okay, thank you, little chat later.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I know they're powerless, I know like that like in
essence to some extent, But the fact that, as you said,
they didn't take away what actually means most and honestly
was at the core of doing this was beating the
best teams in the country, winning your rivalry game against
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Ohio State, and ultimately winning a national championship. Were the
reasons you were doing all of these things. To have
that goal not taken away from you is an absolute travesty.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
It just seems like such a simple punishment to give out.
But the nc double A just is turning their head.
They're just it's not to them, it's not worth it.
They're like, no, no, go ahead, we don't care. We don't
care enough to actually punish you the right way.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You're going to read many people's opinions. You're going to
hear men people's opinions. It's just very simple. They cheated,
They got what they wanted and essentially got away in
the getaway car.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yes, and it's okay.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Jim Harbaugh's off to the NFL. If they win a
Super Bowl this year, it's the greatest year of his life, right,
I mean, if they go, yes, they if they don't,
it's and this would be a part of that year.
That's what this is all about. A ten year show
cause on top of the one that he's already serving
again for another cheating scandal. It's it's just absurd. I
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had wanted to I had wondered when this story was
going to break, and then when I found out yesterday
that the news was going to come down today, and
we had expected it before the upcoming season, because you
didn't know if there was going to be a postseason
ban for them. Postseason bands are a little bit different
now because of the expanded playoff. Previously you're like, oh, well,
we were eight and three, we missed an Outback Bowl.
Not that not as big of a deal as it
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would be as Hey, we could have been in the
twelve team playoff. That really could have hit them as well,
and you would have had people associated with the pro
that were involved, so they could have been You could
have been punishing the people that meant to be punished
and maybe the other eighty percent weren't. But ultimately, Manzi,
if you just took away what meant the most to them,
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I think a lot of people would be satisfied.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Of course, but even a ban for the postseason. I
know it sucks because some players weren't a part of this.
I get all that, but at least that shows that
the NCAA is actually taking this seriously. If you wouldn't
have vacated that championship and you would have put a
ban on the postseason. I would have been all right,
at least there's something. It just truly feels like a timeout.
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It truly feels like nothing I'm I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And Michigan essentially admitted that there was the scandal, so
they've admitted it. Ultimately, the object or the what was
it Operation KGB.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
KGB was the name for it. According to Connor Stallion.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The NCAA found out that they cheated, so they cheated,
So it's tainted and that's the most that we can
take from it. I have no idea how the Monday
is going to shake out in the future and how
it's going to affect their budget, how it's going to
affect their football program in four or five years, but.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Still affecting people that had nothing to do with it. Yeah, exactly,
like still it's further people from it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But it's It's the point of back to the Astros
and Dodgers is ninety five percent of Major League Baseball
has moved on. I think ninety five percent of college
football has moved on. And it's those that are, you know,
tight in Michigan. I'm seeing Michigan memes of parade flags
and people, you know, thumbs up and the whole guy
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holding the girlfriend's hand and looking back, and it's like
those memes of Michigan fans knowing that they got away
with it, and that's what's so annoying.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I actually think this one's a little bit worse, if
I'm being completely honest, then baseball, because I feel like
college football is so tight knit, like the is different.
The fandom runs deep, so I think it's not just
ninety five percent has moved on.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think that the astros knowing what pitch is coming
is a little different than understanding the plays totally. It's
the fact that Michigan just constantly tried to cut every
single corner and break rules to ultimately get to a
national championship program, and then they ultimately do so and
don't don't feel and those people, a majority of those
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people involved in that will not be penalized. Jim Harbaugh's
penalties are penalties, but they're not penalties since he's not
in college football. No, he's fine completely missing the boat.
She's Monzi Bologno. So I'm Dan Byer Michigan finds out
their penalties today and a lot of people like me
are I shouldn't say a lot, because again most people
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have moved on but just frustrated at the whole process.
And again, if you're gonna cheat, you might as well
because if anything, you found out that you could get
away with it. She's Manzi Bologno's hit her up at
Montze Bloonos. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Jason Stewart's here, as is Chris Prophet and Isaac Glowing Crowd.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
This is the best of the Don dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh what's up? Everybody? Happy Friday.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Doug Gottlieb was in for Colin Cowherd this morning, So
you get me Monty Bilanos and Dan Bayer as we
fill in. Hope you're enjoying your Friday, maybe having a cocktail.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's already one o'clock.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
If I was not here with Dan, I would probably
be having a cocktail right now.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I was just mixing them in the back.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I would be I'd be afraid if you made me
a cocktail, I would know how to shake.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You would not a shake.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's That's about it.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I would try to flip it all up. Cocktail is
at the Tom Cruise movie. That's what I would try
to do.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's like a what is that I'm blaking out on
that show? The restaurant guy, John t Sean oh Jar Rescue,
Bar Rescue and how you're you know, how you're supposed
to shake. You got to get into it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Dan, my buddy, was an extra in an episode of Bar. Yeah,
he sat at the bar, tasted a drink and was
not pleased. That was his That was his role in
the UH in the undercover operation before changes were made
to rescue that bar.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I love John Taffer.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I just want him to yell at me.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Those shows like you have to yell. It's what makes
Gordon Ramsey like so great, Like you have to be
mean to these people. But some of those are fake.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yes, a side note, I did an episode for Dodgers
for that Gordon Ramsey Hell's Kitchen whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
That was master Chef, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
It was a thing with Freddie Freeman and his wife
and I was like the tour guide and I did
a thing and I wanted to see what is his name?
I don't watch some show Gordon Ramsey guess I wanted
to see and I want to see if he was
actually liked that nicest guy ever all smiles until it
was time to do the episode everybody was chatting with
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super nice guy did not come off like what you
would expect on TV.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
There was there was another show that was completely staged.
There was someone who worked here at Fox Sports Radio
that did some acting on the side. Oh yeah, and
she was used as the bad waitress, the one who
would take like the toast from your blt and wipe
it under her arms nice and then like that's and
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then she had a different name every time. I had
a different backstory. But you saw that one and I
there are so many restaurants shows that have different you know,
undercover or whatever, all the different ones. But that's how
I found out. I'm like, wow, some of these may
not be as real as you think. That's like the
house Hunting episodes or the house Hunters and those when
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you're looking for places to go, I think it's done
in the reverse order, Like you found your home, so
that's going to be one of the three homes you
look at. Now, they just got to find two other
vacant ones that they could use to make the TV show.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Absolutely right, like we found this magic.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, we found this two bedroom condo that we wanted
to buy on the shores of the Outer Banks in
North Carolina. Awesome. If you want to be on a
TV show, We'll find two other blank or vacant properties
and show you those and you can get on a
TV show. I think that's how it works. I'm not,
don't quote me on that, but I feel that that's right.
Like the hay was already in the barn exactly, that's
the magic behind it. There is no magic behind the
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NBA schedule. It's eighty two games for each team that
goes from mid October to mid April, and then we
start to care about the playoffs. However, this year's NBA
schedule has gotten more attention not for who plays who
and where and a little bit of when, but it's
more of where. On TV. In yesterday, it was brought
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up for basketball fans when the schedules released on what
you can expect to get from an NBA season that
we have never had before because I think our normal schedules, Manzi,
where we knew Thursday nights was TNT Wednesday and Friday
was ESPN, and then TNT would have Tuesday games at
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times as well, and you'd get your Saturday night ABC
game and maybe random games here and there. But you
knew on Thursday night you could count on TNT and
Wednesday and Fridays on ESPN, and that was fine with me.
Maybe there'd be a random game on NBA TV. But
this is how your NBA regular season will now be
viewed for the seven days of the week. When the
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NBA regular season is going on Monday nights Peacock only,
Tuesday nights NBC and Peacock, Wednesday's ESPN, Thursday's Amazon Prime, Fridays,
Amazon Prime and ESPN, Saturday's Amazon Prime, ABC, Sundays, ABC,
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NBC and Peacock. So we have five nights out of
the week where you will get either ESPN or of
the game on network TV, whether it be ABC or NBC.
Monday and Thursday nights will be streaming exclusives Monday to Peacock,
Thursday to Amazon Prime. And to me, MONTI, they've now
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completely eliminated the casual viewing NBA fan that I am,
because I am not going to be loading up an
app on my screen to be searching out the Nuggets
and Grizzlies in mid January. It's just not going to
happen if it was on TNT, if it was on
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ESPN that night. I No, I may sound like a dinosaur,
but I would tune in. But I'm not going to
actively go to these spots when the season is as
long as it is. I just I don't think that
the NBA is trying to broaden their audience. It's a
broadening of the pocketbook and trying to seem forward thinking
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in all of this.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's just interesting that they've made these choices knowing that
the viewership is already down, and now you're making it
a little bit more complicated for the casual fan and
as more than I would say a casual fan myself
when it comes to the NBA, you are making this
more complicated for me than it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
And I'm somebody who.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Does look for these games, But now I'm gonna be like,
no NBA on TNT, what games am I really.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Going to tune into?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Because, like you said, aside from the Clippers, like you said,
it's a long season. This isn't comparable to the NFL
putting one off games on streaming services. For eighteen weeks
of the season twenty two. You get what I'm saying, Like,
it's not the same. So I don't know what basketball
is thinking because it does seem like this is shoving
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out maybe a lot of the casual fans. It should
be easy for me to tune into a game, not
more difficult.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I and I sound like a dinosaur.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
How really can do?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
But I just I I have a satellite DirecTV package
and I know those are becoming fewer and fewer. I
am more curious on people who have unplugged from that,
like Jason Stewart. I don't know what your TV set up.
Do you have cable satellite stream?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
We do to direct TV the like app, So I
don't have like a SAP, but I do have cable
like an app that is streaming, but it's like the
cable channels right, like I have TV. I have Amazon Prime,
but I don't have Peacock. I'm not gonna add it now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I will watch the NFL games on Thursday night on
Amazon Yeah, and maybe not think twice about it, but
I'll be honest when halftime comes around, I do feel
a little bit handcuffed. Okay, Now do I drop out
of the app. Hopefully that the Apple work to get
back up. And that's just for one of two hundred
and seventy two NFL games that we get in the season.
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When you have thirty teams playing eighty two games, there's
a lot of basketball for me to consume, none of
which I'm probably going to unless you're playing fantasy basketball
or betting on the games that I'm gonna or if
it's not the box playing, I'm not going to have
that dire of a need to watch. I just feel
that the NBA doesn't give you a lot of reasons
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to watch regular season basketball, and now they're making it
more difficult for you to watch it with it being
on these streaming services on these selective nights.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
They are making it more difficult.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
And I can only assume that those like big games
that you and I and everybody else wants to watch
are probably going to be on NBC, ABC on different days,
those people were already going to tune in. But all
the other games that you're talking about, which is what
we're mentioning here to the NBA, you're not making the
right decision for all those other games that you should
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be trying to make easily accessible to the casual fan.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It misses the mark absolutely to me. To me, it does.
I think the NBA the way to make it better
is to and I know this isn't a real way
of thinking, but would be to provide less games, like
to provide to make it more of the one off.
So a long long time ago, Manci, before you were
even born, Jason and Isaac and myself remember this. Chris
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is too young to remember it. But there were games
of the week and so it was a big deal,
especially in Major League Baseball. No grated, we didn't have
as many options, but still it's not like there are
forty two channels with games on them like they're still
it's either ESPN or in this case now NBC having
the games and previously the Turner channels. But it made
it a must watch thing. Having games on every night
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makes it less of an immediate need to watch the games,
and now if I have to do more to watch
those games, it's not working. You're pointing comparing it to
the NFL is completely right. They're not comparable. No sapples
to oranges. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And this is coming from an actual NBA fan that
I like to watch other teams than the Clippers. But
now you're making me be You're making me feel like
it's a hassle, and I shouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
When your birthday is late January.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Right it is?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yes, here's his man genuary. Yes it is, so on
January twenty sixth on Peacock you can watch the Magic Cavaliers,
Trailblazers or Celtics and the Warriors and the Timberwolves. Or
you could just wait the next night and watch the
Bucks and Sixers and Clippers and Jazz. So if you
had to, like, would you, is there anything that would
(27:32):
make you say, you know what, I'm going to watch
Magic Calves, even though then tomorrow no, I'm going to
watch this game. And then on Wednesday you've got more
games that you can end up watching on ESPN. Like
that's the an NBC's is going to be different, by
the way, I believe that that the West Coast is
going to get the late game in their primetime and
then the East Coast will have the early game in
(27:52):
their primetime, and the other game is going to be
on Peacock. I believe that's the understanding. So it's not
like you're getting an NBC double header every single night.
I think that they are staggered on Peacock and NBC
for the specific coast. But it's just the point of
if you don't have a dog in the fight. I
know you have a clip with the Clippers and that's
a bad example, But if you wanted to watch get
your NBA fixed with Bucks and Sixers, there'd be no
(28:13):
reason to watch Blazer Celtics or Matt you know, Magic
and Calves. As you're as.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You're telling me all this, I'm like, why are we
complicating the situation for NBA fans? Because if there is
a game that I think I'm gonna catch on a
certain day of the week and I turn turn it
on and it's not there, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Get over it really quickly.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Like by the end of the season, I feel like
the numbers are gonna be really low for the NBA.
People are gonna be tired of keeping the schedule. I
can barely keep my own schedule. Now I'm gonna have
to be like, Okay, on Mondays, where where are we playing?
Who's forget it? Forget it? Put on reruns of Law
and Order. I don't even care anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's also it also shows you the value of inside
the NBA is that you just knew that that show
was gonna be on on Thursday, so you may have
tuned into the game. Whether the game was good or not.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I was gonna say people were tuning in for them
the game was. The game was like an added bonus.
But you you watched NBA on T and T to
watch the guys.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The game was just supplemental. Is that the word?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is it right?
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, that's yeah, Addison all that. No, it supplements the
house game show that we all would rather watch. Jason,
you cut the cord a while, I think it have
gone streaming. How do you view this as someone who
isn't a satellite or cable user A.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Couple of things. I think saying that I still have
cable but it's on an app is the cutest way
to say I cut the cord that I've ever heard.
I still have cable, but it's on an app.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It is it?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It got it o streaming.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
I cut the cord real early, like twenty eighteen, and
I am a very casual NBA fan. In fact, I
don't even know if I didn't work in the industry,
I don't even know if I would follow the NBA anymore,
so this to me completely takes me out. I'm definitely
not seeking out NBA games on Peacock, and I think
a lot of our listeners probably followed in my category.
(30:02):
I think a lot of the decisions that the NBA
has made over the past couple years has catered to
their like p onees, their NBA fans, as opposed to
trying to draw more into the tent. Right the play
in game for the playoffs, who's that serving NBA fans?
The NBA Cup is serving NBA fans. Whatever the hell
(30:24):
they're doing with their All Star weekend now is definitely
serving only NBA fans because I'm not interested.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I do think that the play in tournament did something
with the fan bases of those teams to keep those
fan bases interested, yes, in a bit longer to think
that they have a chance or have the opportunity to
make the playoffs, and keep them more interested in the
regular season.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I think it brought excitement, but it was just short lived,
and it might not be for all the fan bases
like you're saying, but it does bring a level of
excitement that we weren't experiencing in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
The game like when Jah Moran had like forty something
against the Warriors, and we were actually fortunate to get
like the Warriors and Lakers in these games to make
them interesting. I think that was like the newness of it,
and it's exciting now that it's been here a couple
of years. I think, to Jason's point, maybe it's worn off,
but I feel like their decision making behind what the
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play in tournament was was to try to keep more
fan bases interested to have their team still be in
the running for a playoff spot. These decisions are being
made for the people who are already going to consume
the NBA and not trying to bring in more people
to watch the product.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
No, these decisions are made for money. Yeah, yes, that's
what this is really all about.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And it's just sad because if you want to keep
this simple in black and white, this is about money,
and you are not doing this for the casual basketball fan.
When you were already losing viewership, you were already losing that,
so why.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Why divide it even more? Why make it more complicated.
I'm having a hard time with this.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Can we talk about the app experience in any sport,
and I even come across this on the NFL stuff
like Christmas Day or whatever. When you're just watching the app,
you very much lose that channel surfing during breaks, channel
surfing during downtown. Unless you've got multiple tea you need
to do something to fix that, some technology. I don't
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know what the answer is, but going to an app
for a game, and I've done it for the Caitlin
Clark games, You're just stuck on this Amazon app without it,
without any channel surfing. What's the fix there?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't know. I have no idea, and I have
wondered if there are other like if you could if
you could just use your channel changer like an app,
but there's still stuff within that that you would have
to access the game because of all the opportunities of programming, and.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Then scroll through here, scroll through that. Get it.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's not like just changing the channel. I agree with you, Jason,
and that's what I'm saying. It's like if I'm trying
to watch a game and let's just hypothetically say I
get Peacock and I try to load Peacock and it
doesn't work, I'm gonna be over it so fast, and
that's the problem. It should be easily accessible to me.
I shouldn't have to go through hoops and things to
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try and you know, watch a damn game.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Can I ask the group a question along these lines,
for all of you, when you've been watching games on
apps and devices, how often does the stream at least
temporarily either stop working entirely or there's a problem with
the video quality of the feed, like it's all blurry?
(33:42):
And how many times does it just cut out all
together every damn day?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Really? Me too? I too. It hasn't as much to me.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Nice, but it speaks to your internet connection.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yes, I mean we're you know, to the top level. No,
I've watched game on the golf course on my phone.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Okay, so like no, I like it, like it, but
it's such a flex No.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's not the technology of I. I it's not. And
that's the part where I think where I'm trying not
to sound like get off my long gun. And I
know Chris wants to jump in. I just want to
quick make this point of I don't think it's about
the technology and being old. I think it's about the
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NBA valuing their product in a way that they think
we want to consume it seven nights a week, and
now I have to do extra work to do it.
And I think that's the gross misjudgment on this is
the NFL is great because we don't have it every
night and the season is shorter, so we are always
(34:49):
craving it. We are already complaining about more basketball. Now
you're giving us more basketball, and you're making it more
difficult for me to watch it.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's where I think that they've completely missed the boat
on what the casual fan really wants. And again Manzi says,
it goes back to Wenny Chris Papet.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
You know, the sport that's on every night that like
doesn't take up any of our attention span a lot
is baseball. So like, I mean, I like baseball, but
it is absolutely I'm willing to throw a Tigers game
on in the background kind of thing. I think if
basketball keeps putting itself out there like this, it kind
of threatens to be that, but they want to be
the event.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And the other point that the main tack. I'm sorry,
but it is a great, great point because the NBA
needs to think more like Major League baseball and not
like the NFL.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
Right, so they have they have too many games to
be an event, but they want that event or that
the NFL has, and it's just they're always going to
lose out. But I think the big thing that the
problem here more than anything, and it's a problem for
every sports league out there, is as you're embracing streaming technology,
all these frustrations you're all talking about, that is a
(35:59):
negative for everyone. That will eventually drive people away. And
I think as much as they've seen them, the dollar
signs with Amazon, Peacock, Netflix. I I'm a big soccer
fan and I saw and MLS retreated their entire package
behind Apple TV plus the next that same year, after
(36:22):
they did that, they had a sixty percent drop in
the MLS Cup Final that they put on main big
time Fox TV. Sixty percent of the audience went away
because nobody you're you're managing, as you say, multiple apps,
Do you have Peacock, do you have Amazon? And I
think that that is something losing channel flipping, all these
(36:42):
things add up to an experience that is a almost
more expensive now than cable in a lot of ways,
and b pushes the casual fan away and just I
think you start losing the accessibility of sports entirely. And
I just wonder at some point does the does does
that rooster come home? Does those hens come home to roost?
(37:03):
For the NBA and they see their ratings likewise, try
to go from a streaming ecosystem back to network TV
and then the ratings tank.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I think both of you are hitting it on the
head where it's like you think you're making this more accessible,
but you're actually not. There were times when I would
you'd be able to watch an NBA game, and sometimes
it was it would go from ESPN to like T
and T and they would tell you, oh, you know,
next game is over there, and I just hit a
button and I'd go back to it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Now, that's it's not making it simple for me.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
And I agree with what you're saying, Chris, it should
they should look more at baseball. I don't know how
basketball doesn't take advantage of like day games more often
during the during the regular season, have a noon game.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
People will go, sure, be off right now.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
People love did not go to work.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
M WEILB has their own very strong app and MLBtv
as well. And I think back like ten years ago,
League Pass was a cool thing, and I don't hear
about League Pass anymore, and I don't think League Pass
really holds the candle to what they do.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Believe. Bess is a big thing within NBA Twitter, and
that's and that's the point, is Adam Silver in the
NBA are catering to the to that audience, to the
NBA Twitter audience, and to a place where they can
catch their checks. To Moncey's point, I don't think it
does anything for us to like the NBA regular season
more since we've been complaining about it for years and
(38:24):
now this just gives us more difficulty to try to
to try to like something that we already are frustrated with.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
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Speaker 3 (38:49):
What about Blue Sky Blue.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Sky had Dan Byer I got to freak that up.
It's been a little it's been a little while.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Let's get you another follower, so you're up to what
forty seven?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
No? Oh, I've I cracked the two hundred mark a
while ago, Manzi. Oh, okay, I'll grab my phone here
in a second and let you know what the official
number is. The special number right now is thirty four.
It's the maximum number of primetime games that the NBA
wants teams to appear in. And there are four teams
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as the NBA schedule came out that reached that magic
number of thirty four. The Oklahoma City Thunder you're defending
NBA champions, not a surprise. The Los Angeles Lakers. They
could be two and eighty and I think that they
would get thirty four primetime games the next season. The
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Golden State Warriors and the New York Knicks where the
other team that got the max primetime benefit from the NBA.
And I just I look at those teams, Manzi, and
I understand Oklahoma City, and it's kind of like, you
have to do that.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
You have to It would have been a story in itself.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yes, the Knicks are obvious because they're the only team.
It feels like that the NBA has to market in
the Eastern Conference right now. And I know that Luca's
in LA and it's the Lakers, and I joke about
their record, but it's a Lebron and Steph thing as well, Hm,
with how big those brands are. But it just is
surprising to me, and it still feels like the NBA
(40:23):
doesn't have any sort of plan on what life's going
to be like when Lebron and Steph leave at some point.
Shouldn't you take these other teams? Shouldn't you take like
a Timberwolves team, make sure that Anthony Edwards are the
Spurs who we think are going to be really good,
and just not shove them down our throats, but they
should be at the level of these other teams that
are also getting maximum primetime exposure.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
But but push them a little down our throats. Not
shove them, but push them a little because I predict
that Let's hypothetically say the Thunder don't win this year, right,
it looks like the Thunder have a.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Good chance to repeat.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
But I feel like if the Thunder don't repeat next year,
we're having this conversation they're not going to have as
many primetime games.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
They don't want them to have that many primetime games.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Sure they did it out of respect because you want
and there are other teams that you're just like, really,
these are not teams that the Clippers are, like not
even on the list. When you saw the list of
the teams with the most primetime games, Clippers weren't even shown,
And I was like, how is that They're not even
in the top ten of the primetime games, which I'm
a little bit surprised about because yes, I know we're
the unks. I know we got all the old people,
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but Curry and Lebron are still, you know, bringing in
the attention.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Maybe I'm just being biased.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Well, it's because all your games are going to start
at two in the afternoon, because so it's not technically
primetime because the team is so old. That's why they're
going to be in bed by seven when it's actually
prime time.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Such James Harden, he's going to be out partying.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
The Timberwolves and Rockets were next with twenty eight. The
Spurs didn't even make the list of the top ten
teams to get the most TV games or stream games.
I'd listen, the Spurs of the two thousands, let's just
call them of the tim Duncan era. We love Tim Duncan.
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He's the big fundamental. There's no flash right. This Spurs
team has some flash in pizazz and an absolute unicorn
in Victor wimbin Yama. How you do not have him
be the center point of what could be the future.
I have no idea, no sense. The Mavericks got twenty
three games, and they have the number one overall pick
and a possible future star in the NBA. And while
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as much as I can't stand the Dallas landed the
Cooper Flag lottery, I feel they're being shortchanged and getting
the number of games that they got compared to everybody else.
Riding throughout the state of Ohio. That's where we had.
Now where Zach Jackson joins us. He covers the NFL
and the Cleveland Browns for the Athletic You can find
him on x at Akron Jackson. I mean other are
(42:54):
you gonna be able to get home Zach today? I mean,
are there riots throughout the state because of the miss
Michigan punishments or lack thereof that we found out today
in college football?
Speaker 5 (43:04):
I'm in Philadelphia, Oh okay, yeah, so I have heard
you know about it and it is bitter there. Obviously,
Michigan's had the upper hands, so people are not pleased.
But I've been caught in the worst quarterback competition in
modern NFL history, So joy, where my energy's gone.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Joint practice is between the Browns and Eagles this week,
kept off by their preseason game coming up on Saturday.
So did last Friday's game with shud Or Sanders change
anything in the pecking order of the Browns quarterback dilemma?
Speaker 5 (43:36):
No, it didn't change the pecking order. I think it
energized some of the sandbase, you know, and then he
gets hurt after one more time out, so I don't
know if it energized like the locker room and stuff, right.
I think it did temporarily, But no, no order has
changed for over three weeks, and that's because Kenny Pickett,
who a lot of people believe that the team wanted
to win it, has not been a full participant since then.
(43:57):
So Joe Flacco has him good, and I think really
really good in about four of the last five practices,
so he's won the job. But he really won the
job because there was no other competition, because Dylan Gabriel
has not been good enough and Shador was not given
a chance, and Chador is not ready. Let me be
clear about that. Shador is talented, and last Friday showed
(44:19):
he's talented, and I think he's got a chance to
be an NFL starter down the road. But this competition
has never amounted. And it's to the point that three
of them have some level of injury we don't know.
And Tyler Huntley, who wasn't on the team, had to
come in and now it looks like he might play
the entire preseason tomorrow. So what a product that will be.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Zach, You've been there since the beginning with the Browns
drafting Schador Sanders, so much surrounding him, so much attention.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Have you been surprised at it?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
How has he handled all of the eyes on him
from the start to now?
Speaker 5 (44:56):
From what we know, he's handled it all great. Right now,
it kind of feels like the interaction last week was
a setup with his camera crew happening to be there.
But that's the world we live in to ron. Rookies
have camera crews, right, and kids do things different ways.
But I mean, from every impression I've gotten outside of
these beating tickets that he got the team likes what
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he's done, how he's handled himself, how he's shown up
and asked questions, and his teammates love him. He's staying
on the field almost every day after for extra work
of some sort. And said, it's just weird with the injury,
and then it was extra deflating to the whole operation.
I don't think anybody can run with that, right, But
I am maybe a little bit surprised at the popularity.
(45:42):
Not really, I thought I was braced for it. But
I think what's happened is the Shadoor crowd has made
it Shador versus Gabriel, right, and they're so mad that
he hasn't gotten first team reps. And hey, if you're
rooting for somebody like that, I get it, But I
just encourage people to think bigger because Shudar versus Gabriel
is not even a content like he is so much
more talented. It's not even a contest. So the Browns
(46:03):
have created this. They used the top one hundred pick
on Dylan Gabriel and then undercut him by taking a
guy thin he picks later who's much more talented than
he is. So here they are, and I would imagine
We're three days or so from Flacco being named the starter.
But where should her his health wise? And you know,
will he even be on the active roster? Will he
be on ir tost start the year. I don't know.
I think we're you know, it's going to be the
(46:24):
full ten days I think before we find that out.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Zach Jackson joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. She's Monzie Blanio. So I'm Dan
Byer in for Doug today. What was ever the plan
then with Kenny Pickett? If Flaco has run away with it,
I know he's been dinged up, but what was there?
What was their goal in having him be a Brown
this season?
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Well, he was the first one that they acquired, Dan,
you know, that was the first day of free agency
late in the day, and that trade came out of nowhere.
And then when we finally met Kenny when it became official,
he said that the Eagles had actually given him a
heads up that there was some trade talks out as
a courtesy, and none of them the more with the
Brown Like, none of the signals he got were the Browns, right,
So really, if that's March tenth ish for a full
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month he was the only healthy quarterback because everybody knew
that Watson was not in the mix. Right, So, you know,
he is young, he started games, he moves well. I
think if he squint you see a fit with the
style that the Browns want to play and what he
can do. But he's just not very good and the
fact that he started twenty five games has but done
nothing but prove that.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
So he is thirteen years younger than Joe Flacco. So
and he doesn't cost anything right now, so you could
see why they would want that. And you know, look,
they're in an awful, awful spot because of Deshaun Watson.
It's going to continue to hurt them down the road
because of the salary cap. Right, So what's the way out.
Either stumble into a guy like Kenny Pickett who has
(47:48):
a career renaissance, or stumble into your own rock party,
which is should or Sanders if it works out.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It just seems like there are always a step behind though,
Like they like Joe like that, Like it feels like
bringing flacoback this year was because he wanted to make
up for the mistake of not bringing him back last
year after the late surge. You just bring up the
Kenny Pigott thing and how the Browns weren't the ones
talking about him. I mean, it's just, yeah, it just
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seems like the I don't know, it's just an absolute mess.
There just doesn't seem to be even a question for me.
But all of these examples of laying out, like bringing
flacoback now should have been done fifteen months ago.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Yeah, I mean it couldn't because of Watson's fragile ego.
Bringing flacoback now like just kind of says everything about
the awkward intersection that this team is at. Because guys
in the locker room and there still are a lot
of good players on this team. They don't want to tank, right,
And like Joe came in and mastered the offense and
captivated the fan base and was awesome in the locker room, right,
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and so he's beloved and like he can still really
fling it, and Jerry Judy looks great, And that is
their hope of winning any game in the month of
September is that Jojo gets hot and even if he
throws two interceptions, which he always does, as long as
he throws two touchdowns and maybe the defense can win
a form at the end, right, so you know they
there might be a time, and it might be sooner
(49:11):
than later that this team is tanking and looking forward
to that not just next year, but the future years.
But for Kevin Stefanski, for the coaches, for the older
offensive linemen, the four best offensive linemen are are only
signed through this year. They have to go try to win,
and if they can't beat the Bengals in Week one,
then look at that schedule and tell me when a
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win is coming.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Zach, you brought up Jerry Judy and that was going
to be my next question, coming off the best year
of his career.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
How is he connecting with Joe Flocko.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
It was a slow start, but I think it's natural.
I think for the first time in several years, they've
had kind of a real training camp. Like now, obviously
it's been odd because of the quarterback injuries, but like
it looked really bad then all of a sudden in
the second and third week, you could start to see
some offense looking a little bit sharper. And yeah, I
mean they got shut out by the Eagles here on
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day one of joint practices, but they were much better
yesterday and the two best passing players were flat out
of duty. He's just he looks really good and those
at least one of them was right on Quinny and Mitchell,
who's the rising star corner in this league. So you
know the next step for Judy is consistency. Right, But
we've seen the explosion and we saw the mega huge
game last year, but he stylistically flat Owen Judy should
(50:25):
be a really good fit.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Final question for Zach Jackson joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio, what happens now with Judkins? Like is he
do they expect to sign him? Is this? I mean,
now that he's clear from his charges, where does that stand?
Speaker 6 (50:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (50:37):
I think he will sign. I think the if is
out of the equation. I think he will sign. They're
going to let the NFL complete its investigation and make
its rulings. So I don't think he's going to play
anytime soon. And that's not to say for sure that
he's going to get suspended. It's in play. But he's
missed off camp. You know, the rookies reported four weeks
ago today and he has not been there for one thing.
So I think you'll see quinche and Judkins play and
probably play a lot for the Browns from from October on,
(51:00):
but it's not going to be early. But I still
think that he will be deleting running back for this team.
We just don't know exactly when and what a.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Draft class you trade? Don you get another first but
after that, yikes, Zach. We appreciate it. Enjoy the game
as much as you can. On Saturday. I'd love to
talk to you against you and appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
All right, Thank you?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Get Matt Action Jackson on X.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Thanks Zach.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Do you think he realized I was the one who
slid into his DM.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Once he did, She was trying to book him for
her own shell on Sundays at Carrie Roads, five o'clock
eastern to Pacific. Then he got back to you a
couple of days later, but that's what happens. Yeah, volleyball nine.
So then you didn't see it until this morning. Funny
how those things work out. Hit Mancy up at monci Blanas.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
If there's anything that you have learned today, it's that
you might as well cheat. You might as well do it.
I'm not saying on your taxes. I'm not saying on
your significant other. All I'm saying is wherever you want
to bend the rules, your models will do it, because,
gosh darn it, you may actually get away with it.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
It seems like it's okay. It's just frowned upon, Dan,
It's just frowned upon.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It reminds me, and I know this isn't this is
kind of a local story to southern California, but I
felt it was so crazy. You don't think I want
to throw up already. Chris Purfett like, this is, oh
my goodness. We had a car chase this week where
someone hijacked carjacked three different vehicles in southern California, including
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a tanker of milk, and they still got away and
we are still looking for them. And by we, I
mean law enforcement officials, not me on my own time,
but they somehow got away. And you're like, how in
the world did they get away with it? That pales
in comparison to what's happened with the University of Michigan
and their cheating football program.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
How did I miss this pursuit?
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yes, you didn't see it.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I didn't even hear about it.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'll tell you why, because I think it was volleyball night.
So that's why I think it was volleyball.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
A man I No, No, nothing happens on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
VI, And we're going to get into the Michigan thing.
And I will try not to bore you. I will
try not to go off on tangents. I will probably
just let Manzi take the reins, because she's the most
level headed one of us here on this topic. But
if I were to say to hey, Manzy, let's do
a show together on Thursday night, You'll be like, it's
(02:06):
my mom's birthday, but let's do it Saturday. Guess what,
it's my boyfriends. They're honoring him at work here because
of his great work. But I can do it. Manzi,
can you play on volleyball or can you do a
show on volleyball? And sorry, Dan, we can't do it.
It is not going to be able to work my
by the way, indoor gymnasium volleyball, right, it's not like
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beach volleyball, like you're on the shores of the Pacific Ocean.
You don't want to miss it.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I am in a gym and I am diving, and
I come out bruised and all beat up, and it's
worth it, and you are not wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know what you should do in your next match
on Tuesday. You should catch the ball and then just
throw it over the net and be like, what are
you going to do to me? Because that's essentially what
Michigan has done. And then when they ask why did
you do that, just don't talk to him because that's
also what Michigan did. They didn't go operate with anything,
and now get leveled with NCAA sanctions that really don't
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hit at the heart of anything.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
No, this is nothing. This is a big timeout. That's it.
This is a joke. And I don't even care about Michigan.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I am not affected by any of this, but never
forget twenty seventeen when the ass shows cheated and against
the Dodgers. Never forget what is the big thing I've
been complaining about when it comes to that, is that
nothing happened. They should have taken away that championship in
twenty seventeen from Houston and hear what's happening with Michigan. Okay,
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so Harbaugh and Connor Stallions and another guy, I have
a time out.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
That's all I'm reading into.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This, and Mancy, it's even more than that. And I
feel that it is a bit of karma because I'm
sure within the last three weeks we've had a conversation
with Jason Stewart, our executive producer here on the Doug
Gottlieb Show, Isaac go on Chronic Chris profedor here as well.
You heard Chris play that awful music. The thing that
when Jason went and saw the Astros and Dodgers and
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taunted jose L Twove and I, you know, just I
brought up the point of like nobody else cares, like
only the Dodgers care. And I felt that there was
a similar sense to the Michigan sign stealing scandal because
Ohio State fans like myself and Michigan State fans cared.
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Nobody else did. Nobody else seemed to care. But these
certain fan bases and Manzi, now that it comes down
to what D Day is and we see the punishment,
it's so unfulfilling. And I feel that in a way
when I say, why are you guys still mad about
the Astros that's eight years ago, I feel that that's
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payment for what happening. What's happening today because to your
point of what these penalties are, and for those that
don't know, I'm gonna read them all for a second.
But this just isn't the sign stealing scandal. There was
another scandal prior to this, an other NCUBA violations when
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it came to recruiting and COVID dead periods, the periods
that were violated by Michigan where they also failed to cooperate,
and so now you have another nc doublea situation on
top of that. So it's not just an innocent sign
stealing scandal. There seems to be an organized effort to
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try to cut corners and do things their own way.
And that's why when people just say sign stealing, everybody
does it? Is it such a false phrase in a
false opinion on what this actually is for a school
that now ends up getting four years probation finds that
could surpass thirty million dollars with recruiting restrictions. Jim Harbaugh
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gets a ten year show caust penalty, by the way,
on top of the four year one that he got
from the previous scandal. Current head coach. That's right, current
head coach, he's still the head coach. Charon Moore gets
a two year show cause order. Counter stallions the one
who seemingly carried out all of these deals, eight year
show cause order he was going to coach anyway in
football again. Denard Robinson, a former player, three year show
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cause order who was on staff, and then the fines
would be determined on budget, on postseason revenue, on scholarships.
That's the penalty for Michigan in doing their illegal sign
stealing scandal, on top of the NCAA previous investigation.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's kind of crazy to think that we think we
know all the details when in reality, if you're calling
something the.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Operation KGB, there's a lot more to it.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
There is a lot more that we actually will never know,
which is the big picture here. And I don't care
about the fines that's gonna affect other parts of Michigan.
I feel Michigan is not gonna take away from their
football program. They're not gonna take away from their breadwinner
and what brings in more money. So I feel like
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these fines are gonna affect other parts of Michigan, other
athletes who literally had nothing to do with this, and
that simple punishment would.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Have just been to vacate the championship. That's it.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
These timeouts that these guys are getting, it doesn't matter.
These players that are still on the team that had
nothing to do with it, I understand, But they're playing
now that team that cheated the KGB is what they're
calling this Operation Connor Stallions.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
They kate the damn championship. It's not complicated, Dan, It's
really simple. It is really easy.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
It is really easy, especially Mancy to add on to
your magnificent point when you talk about not wanting to
punish future generations of Michigan players and coaches who are
a part of this, this is part of the problem
is giving them a postseason ban. People said, well, these
players weren't a part of that. Well, you have a
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current head coach who was still a part of it.
When you have Jim Harbaugh who skips out of town.
Jim Harbaugh's show cost penalties go through twenty thirty eight.
He's going to be seventy five years old at that time.
You think he's gonna want to get back into college
football when he's seventy five years old. No, he has
no intentions of ever going back to college football because
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he achieved what he wanted to achieve, and that's bringing
a national championship to his alma mater at any cost possible,
doing everything that you just laid out. The simplicity of
how you laid it out is magnificent, because that's what
it comes down to. If you struck them at the
core of taking away that national championship, you would hear
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an argument of people saying, we saw them play on
the field, we saw that they were the better team.
There's no denying it. That is incorrect because all of
those wins and the wins leading up to building that
team were aided by the fact that they had improper
and illegal intelligence on other schools. So it was part
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of that even when they gave the Big Ten gave
Michigan a three game ban and gave Jim Harbad a
three game ban as this was unfolding during that season,
the three game ban was just a slap on the wrist,
and now it pales absolutely in comparison. They really didn't
have the Big Ten anything to stand on to do
anything to give them a penalty. But they also realized
(09:33):
that Michigan is their cash cow and was on their
way to a national championship. So there's a whole other
argument of other people benefiting from Michigan's national championship, including
the Big Ten at that time. But to your point
of when Michigan is going to look back on their
national championship team ten years from now, fifteen years from now,
they'll probably do it five years from now, they're going
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to get the loudest ovation because they came through this
scot free. Essentially, Jim Harbaugh when he walks back into
Ann Arbor and is at the Big House, will get
the loudest ovation because they will be honoring their national
championship team that you correctly said should have been taken
away because of these sanctions. And that's the most difficult
(10:16):
part about it is there are a lot of arguments,
and Doug was in for Colin Cowherd earlier today saying
that these financial ramifications are going to limit the school
and limit the program in the future. We'll see, we'll
see how much that happens. But right now, people want flesh,
they want blood, They want an eye for an eye,
and a tooth for a tooth, and an essence. It
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feels that Michigan got away almost scott free.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
They absolutely got away with it. And if I'm any
other school and I'm paying attention to this, and I've
got maybe a coach that's like, you know, I'm ready
to retire in a couple of years, why don't we
chi and just get a fall guy because we know
they're not going to vacate the championship, and then we're good.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
This that's just a bad precedent.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I think that the sign stealing scandal on the surface
is not as major if it would have been the
one off, right, but it's not the one operation. Well,
it was not only an operation, Manzi. It's on top
of the previous scandal right that went on that they
were then punished by the NC DOUBLEA. But it's also
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the failure to cooperate. Isn't that the other thing that
we have been told in terms of like, if you're
dealing with law enforcement, the cover up is worse than
the crime. And so when we look at the crime
of sign stealing, it may not be as malicious as
something And there may be other operations that aren't as
elaborate as conter Stallions did that are around college football
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that we don't know about. But it's the fact that
Michigan gave a stiff arm to the NC DOUBLEA and
Jim Harbaugh was the one who was not cooperating. Sharon
Moore is deleting evidence and text messages trying to cover
things up. They knew that they were cheating your point
of what it's labeled. Knew that they were cheating, and
then they said to the NC DOUBLEA, well, we're not
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going to cooperate as much as you would have hoped.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
And the NC DOUBLEA said, okay, thank you, little chat later.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I know they're powerless, I know like that like in
essence to some extent, But the fact that, as you said,
they didn't take away what actually means most and honestly
was at the core of doing this was beating the
best teams in the country, winning your rivalry game against
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Ohio State, and ultimately winning a national championship. Were the
reasons you were doing all of these things. To have
that goal not taken away from you is an absolute travesty.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
It just seems like such a simple punishment to give out.
But the nc double A just is turning their head.
They're just it's not to them, it's not worth it.
They're like, no, no, go ahead, we don't care. We don't
care enough to actually punish you the right way.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
You're going to read many people's opinions. You're going to
hear men people's opinions. It's just very simple. They cheated,
They got what they wanted and essentially got away in
the getaway car.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yes, and it's okay.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Jim Harbaugh's off to the NFL. If they win a
Super Bowl this year, it's the greatest year of his life, right,
I mean, if they go, yes, they if they don't,
it's and this would be a part of that year.
That's what this is all about. A ten year show
cause on top of the one that he's already serving
again for another cheating scandal. It's it's just absurd. I
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had wanted to I had wondered when this story was
going to break, and then when I found out yesterday
that the news was going to come down today, and
we had expected it before the upcoming season, because you
didn't know if there was going to be a postseason
ban for them. Postseason bands are a little bit different
now because of the expanded playoff. Previously you're like, oh, well,
we were eight and three, we missed an Outback Bowl.
Not that not as big of a deal as it
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would be as Hey, we could have been in the
twelve team playoff. That really could have hit them as well,
and you would have had people associated with the pro
that were involved, so they could have been You could
have been punishing the people that meant to be punished
and maybe the other eighty percent weren't. But ultimately, Manzi,
if you just took away what meant the most to them,
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I think a lot of people would be satisfied.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Of course, but even a ban for the postseason. I
know it sucks because some players weren't a part of this.
I get all that, but at least that shows that
the NCAA is actually taking this seriously. If you wouldn't
have vacated that championship and you would have put a
ban on the postseason. I would have been all right,
at least there's something. It just truly feels like a timeout.
(14:37):
It truly feels like nothing I'm I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
And Michigan essentially admitted that there was the scandal, so
they've admitted it. Ultimately, the object or the what was
it Operation KGB.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
KGB was the name for it. According to Connor Stallion.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
The NCAA found out that they cheated, so they cheated,
So it's tainted and that's the most that we can
take from it. I have no idea how the Monday
is going to shake out in the future and how
it's going to affect their budget, how it's going to
affect their football program in four or five years, but.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Still affecting people that had nothing to do with it. Yeah, exactly,
like still it's further people from it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But it's It's the point of back to the Astros
and Dodgers is ninety five percent of Major League Baseball
has moved on. I think ninety five percent of college
football has moved on. And it's those that are, you know,
tight in Michigan. I'm seeing Michigan memes of parade flags
and people, you know, thumbs up and the whole guy
(15:42):
holding the girlfriend's hand and looking back, and it's like
those memes of Michigan fans knowing that they got away
with it, and that's what's so annoying.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I actually think this one's a little bit worse, if
I'm being completely honest, then baseball, because I feel like
college football is so tight knit, like the is different.
The fandom runs deep, so I think it's not just
ninety five percent has moved on.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I think that the astros knowing what pitch is coming
is a little different than understanding the plays totally. It's
the fact that Michigan just constantly tried to cut every
single corner and break rules to ultimately get to a
national championship program, and then they ultimately do so and
don't don't feel and those people, a majority of those
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people involved in that will not be penalized. Jim Harbaugh's
penalties are penalties, but they're not penalties since he's not
in college football. No, he's fine completely missing the boat.
She's Monzi Bologno. So I'm Dan Byer Michigan finds out
their penalties today and a lot of people like me
are I shouldn't say a lot, because again most people
(16:48):
have moved on but just frustrated at the whole process.
And again, if you're gonna cheat, you might as well
because if anything, you found out that you could get
away with it. She's Manzi Bologno's hit her up at
Montze Bloonos. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Jason Stewart's here, as is Chris Prophet and Isaac Glowing Crowd.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
This is the best of the Don dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Oh what's up? Everybody? Happy Friday.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Doug Gottlieb was in for Colin Cowherd this morning, So
you get me Monty Bilanos and Dan Bayer as we
fill in. Hope you're enjoying your Friday, maybe having a cocktail.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's already one o'clock.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
If I was not here with Dan, I would probably
be having a cocktail right now.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I was just mixing them in the back.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I would be I'd be afraid if you made me
a cocktail, I would know how to shake.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
You would not a shake.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
That's That's about it.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
I would try to flip it all up. Cocktail is
at the Tom Cruise movie. That's what I would try
to do.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
It's like a what is that I'm blaking out on
that show? The restaurant guy, John t Sean oh Jar Rescue,
Bar Rescue and how you're you know, how you're supposed
to shake. You got to get into it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Dan, my buddy, was an extra in an episode of Bar. Yeah,
he sat at the bar, tasted a drink and was
not pleased. That was his That was his role in
the UH in the undercover operation before changes were made
to rescue that bar.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I love John Taffer.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I just want him to yell at me.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Those shows like you have to yell. It's what makes
Gordon Ramsey like so great, Like you have to be
mean to these people. But some of those are fake.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yes, a side note, I did an episode for Dodgers
for that Gordon Ramsey Hell's Kitchen whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
That was master Chef, That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
It was a thing with Freddie Freeman and his wife
and I was like the tour guide and I did
a thing and I wanted to see what is his name?
I don't watch some show Gordon Ramsey guess I wanted
to see and I want to see if he was
actually liked that nicest guy ever all smiles until it
was time to do the episode everybody was chatting with
(19:08):
super nice guy did not come off like what you
would expect on TV.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
There was there was another show that was completely staged.
There was someone who worked here at Fox Sports Radio
that did some acting on the side. Oh yeah, and
she was used as the bad waitress, the one who
would take like the toast from your blt and wipe
it under her arms nice and then like that's and
(19:32):
then she had a different name every time. I had
a different backstory. But you saw that one and I
there are so many restaurants shows that have different you know,
undercover or whatever, all the different ones. But that's how
I found out. I'm like, wow, some of these may
not be as real as you think. That's like the
house Hunting episodes or the house Hunters and those when
(19:55):
you're looking for places to go, I think it's done
in the reverse order, Like you found your home, so
that's going to be one of the three homes you
look at. Now, they just got to find two other
vacant ones that they could use to make the TV show.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Absolutely right, like we found this magic.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, we found this two bedroom condo that we wanted
to buy on the shores of the Outer Banks in
North Carolina. Awesome. If you want to be on a
TV show, We'll find two other blank or vacant properties
and show you those and you can get on a
TV show. I think that's how it works. I'm not,
don't quote me on that, but I feel that that's right.
Like the hay was already in the barn exactly, that's
the magic behind it. There is no magic behind the
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NBA schedule. It's eighty two games for each team that
goes from mid October to mid April, and then we
start to care about the playoffs. However, this year's NBA
schedule has gotten more attention not for who plays who
and where and a little bit of when, but it's
more of where. On TV. In yesterday, it was brought
(20:52):
up for basketball fans when the schedules released on what
you can expect to get from an NBA season that
we have never had before because I think our normal schedules, Manzi,
where we knew Thursday nights was TNT Wednesday and Friday
was ESPN, and then TNT would have Tuesday games at
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times as well, and you'd get your Saturday night ABC
game and maybe random games here and there. But you
knew on Thursday night you could count on TNT and
Wednesday and Fridays on ESPN, and that was fine with me.
Maybe there'd be a random game on NBA TV. But
this is how your NBA regular season will now be
viewed for the seven days of the week. When the
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NBA regular season is going on Monday nights Peacock only,
Tuesday nights NBC and Peacock, Wednesday's ESPN, Thursday's Amazon Prime, Fridays,
Amazon Prime and ESPN, Saturday's Amazon Prime, ABC, Sundays, ABC,
(22:01):
NBC and Peacock. So we have five nights out of
the week where you will get either ESPN or of
the game on network TV, whether it be ABC or NBC.
Monday and Thursday nights will be streaming exclusives Monday to Peacock,
Thursday to Amazon Prime. And to me, MONTI, they've now
(22:21):
completely eliminated the casual viewing NBA fan that I am,
because I am not going to be loading up an
app on my screen to be searching out the Nuggets
and Grizzlies in mid January. It's just not going to
happen if it was on TNT, if it was on
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ESPN that night. I No, I may sound like a dinosaur,
but I would tune in. But I'm not going to
actively go to these spots when the season is as
long as it is. I just I don't think that
the NBA is trying to broaden their audience. It's a
broadening of the pocketbook and trying to seem forward thinking
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in all of this.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It's just interesting that they've made these choices knowing that
the viewership is already down, and now you're making it
a little bit more complicated for the casual fan and
as more than I would say a casual fan myself
when it comes to the NBA, you are making this
more complicated for me than it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
And I'm somebody who.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Does look for these games, But now I'm gonna be like,
no NBA on TNT, what games am I really.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Going to tune into?
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Because, like you said, aside from the Clippers, like you said,
it's a long season. This isn't comparable to the NFL
putting one off games on streaming services. For eighteen weeks
of the season twenty two. You get what I'm saying, Like,
it's not the same. So I don't know what basketball
is thinking because it does seem like this is shoving
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out maybe a lot of the casual fans. It should
be easy for me to tune into a game, not
more difficult.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
I and I sound like a dinosaur.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
How really can do?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
But I just I I have a satellite DirecTV package
and I know those are becoming fewer and fewer. I
am more curious on people who have unplugged from that,
like Jason Stewart. I don't know what your TV set up.
Do you have cable satellite stream?
Speaker 4 (24:17):
We do to direct TV the like app, So I
don't have like a SAP, but I do have cable
like an app that is streaming, but it's like the
cable channels right, like I have TV. I have Amazon Prime,
but I don't have Peacock. I'm not gonna add it now.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
I will watch the NFL games on Thursday night on
Amazon Yeah, and maybe not think twice about it, but
I'll be honest when halftime comes around, I do feel
a little bit handcuffed. Okay, Now do I drop out
of the app. Hopefully that the Apple work to get
back up. And that's just for one of two hundred
and seventy two NFL games that we get in the season.
(24:53):
When you have thirty teams playing eighty two games, there's
a lot of basketball for me to consume, none of
which I'm probably going to unless you're playing fantasy basketball
or betting on the games that I'm gonna or if
it's not the box playing, I'm not going to have
that dire of a need to watch. I just feel
that the NBA doesn't give you a lot of reasons
(25:14):
to watch regular season basketball, and now they're making it
more difficult for you to watch it with it being
on these streaming services on these selective nights.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
They are making it more difficult.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
And I can only assume that those like big games
that you and I and everybody else wants to watch
are probably going to be on NBC, ABC on different days,
those people were already going to tune in. But all
the other games that you're talking about, which is what
we're mentioning here to the NBA, you're not making the
right decision for all those other games that you should
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be trying to make easily accessible to the casual fan.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It misses the mark absolutely to me. To me, it does.
I think the NBA the way to make it better
is to and I know this isn't a real way
of thinking, but would be to provide less games, like
to provide to make it more of the one off.
So a long long time ago, Manci, before you were
even born, Jason and Isaac and myself remember this. Chris
(26:15):
is too young to remember it. But there were games
of the week and so it was a big deal,
especially in Major League Baseball. No grated, we didn't have
as many options, but still it's not like there are
forty two channels with games on them like they're still
it's either ESPN or in this case now NBC having
the games and previously the Turner channels. But it made
it a must watch thing. Having games on every night
(26:38):
makes it less of an immediate need to watch the games,
and now if I have to do more to watch
those games, it's not working. You're pointing comparing it to
the NFL is completely right. They're not comparable. No sapples
to oranges. It doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And this is coming from an actual NBA fan that
I like to watch other teams than the Clippers. But
now you're making me be You're making me feel like
it's a hassle, and I shouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
When your birthday is late January.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Right it is?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yes, here's his man genuary. Yes it is, so on
January twenty sixth on Peacock you can watch the Magic Cavaliers,
Trailblazers or Celtics and the Warriors and the Timberwolves. Or
you could just wait the next night and watch the
Bucks and Sixers and Clippers and Jazz. So if you
had to, like, would you, is there anything that would
(27:32):
make you say, you know what, I'm going to watch
Magic Calves, even though then tomorrow no, I'm going to
watch this game. And then on Wednesday you've got more
games that you can end up watching on ESPN. Like
that's the an NBC's is going to be different, by
the way, I believe that that the West Coast is
going to get the late game in their primetime and
then the East Coast will have the early game in
(27:52):
their primetime, and the other game is going to be
on Peacock. I believe that's the understanding. So it's not
like you're getting an NBC double header every single night.
I think that they are staggered on Peacock and NBC
for the specific coast. But it's just the point of
if you don't have a dog in the fight. I
know you have a clip with the Clippers and that's
a bad example, But if you wanted to watch get
your NBA fixed with Bucks and Sixers, there'd be no
(28:13):
reason to watch Blazer Celtics or Matt you know, Magic
and Calves. As you're as.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You're telling me all this, I'm like, why are we
complicating the situation for NBA fans? Because if there is
a game that I think I'm gonna catch on a
certain day of the week and I turn turn it
on and it's not there, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Get over it really quickly.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Like by the end of the season, I feel like
the numbers are gonna be really low for the NBA.
People are gonna be tired of keeping the schedule. I
can barely keep my own schedule. Now I'm gonna have
to be like, Okay, on Mondays, where where are we playing?
Who's forget it? Forget it? Put on reruns of Law
and Order. I don't even care anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
It's also it also shows you the value of inside
the NBA is that you just knew that that show
was gonna be on on Thursday, so you may have
tuned into the game. Whether the game was good or not.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I was gonna say people were tuning in for them
the game was. The game was like an added bonus.
But you you watched NBA on T and T to
watch the guys.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
The game was just supplemental. Is that the word?
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is it right?
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, that's yeah, Addison all that. No, it supplements the
house game show that we all would rather watch. Jason,
you cut the cord a while, I think it have
gone streaming. How do you view this as someone who
isn't a satellite or cable user A.
Speaker 7 (29:25):
Couple of things. I think saying that I still have
cable but it's on an app is the cutest way
to say I cut the cord that I've ever heard.
I still have cable, but it's on an app.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
It is it?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
It got it o streaming.
Speaker 7 (29:40):
I cut the cord real early, like twenty eighteen, and
I am a very casual NBA fan. In fact, I
don't even know if I didn't work in the industry,
I don't even know if I would follow the NBA anymore,
so this to me completely takes me out. I'm definitely
not seeking out NBA games on Peacock, and I think
a lot of our listeners probably followed in my category.
(30:02):
I think a lot of the decisions that the NBA
has made over the past couple years has catered to
their like p onees, their NBA fans, as opposed to
trying to draw more into the tent. Right the play
in game for the playoffs, who's that serving NBA fans?
The NBA Cup is serving NBA fans. Whatever the hell
(30:24):
they're doing with their All Star weekend now is definitely
serving only NBA fans because I'm not interested.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I do think that the play in tournament did something
with the fan bases of those teams to keep those
fan bases interested, yes, in a bit longer to think
that they have a chance or have the opportunity to
make the playoffs, and keep them more interested in the
regular season.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
I think it brought excitement, but it was just short lived,
and it might not be for all the fan bases
like you're saying, but it does bring a level of
excitement that we weren't experiencing in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
The game like when Jah Moran had like forty something
against the Warriors, and we were actually fortunate to get
like the Warriors and Lakers in these games to make
them interesting. I think that was like the newness of it,
and it's exciting now that it's been here a couple
of years. I think, to Jason's point, maybe it's worn off,
but I feel like their decision making behind what the
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play in tournament was was to try to keep more
fan bases interested to have their team still be in
the running for a playoff spot. These decisions are being
made for the people who are already going to consume
the NBA and not trying to bring in more people
to watch the product.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
No, these decisions are made for money. Yeah, yes, that's
what this is really all about.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And it's just sad because if you want to keep
this simple in black and white, this is about money,
and you are not doing this for the casual basketball fan.
When you were already losing viewership, you were already losing that,
so why.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Why divide it even more? Why make it more complicated.
I'm having a hard time with this.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Can we talk about the app experience in any sport,
and I even come across this on the NFL stuff
like Christmas Day or whatever. When you're just watching the app,
you very much lose that channel surfing during breaks, channel
surfing during downtown. Unless you've got multiple tea you need
to do something to fix that, some technology. I don't
(32:26):
know what the answer is, but going to an app
for a game, and I've done it for the Caitlin
Clark games, You're just stuck on this Amazon app without it,
without any channel surfing. What's the fix there?
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't know. I have no idea, and I have
wondered if there are other like if you could if
you could just use your channel changer like an app,
but there's still stuff within that that you would have
to access the game because of all the opportunities of programming, and.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Then scroll through here, scroll through that. Get it.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
It's not like just changing the channel. I agree with you, Jason,
and that's what I'm saying. It's like if I'm trying
to watch a game and let's just hypothetically say I
get Peacock and I try to load Peacock and it
doesn't work, I'm gonna be over it so fast, and
that's the problem. It should be easily accessible to me.
I shouldn't have to go through hoops and things to
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try and you know, watch a damn game.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
Can I ask the group a question along these lines,
for all of you, when you've been watching games on
apps and devices, how often does the stream at least
temporarily either stop working entirely or there's a problem with
the video quality of the feed, like it's all blurry?
(33:42):
And how many times does it just cut out all
together every damn day?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Really? Me too? I too. It hasn't as much to me.
Speaker 7 (33:51):
Nice, but it speaks to your internet connection.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yes, I mean we're you know, to the top level. No,
I've watched game on the golf course on my phone.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Okay, so like no, I like it, like it, but
it's such a flex No.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
It's not the technology of I. I it's not. And
that's the part where I think where I'm trying not
to sound like get off my long gun. And I
know Chris wants to jump in. I just want to
quick make this point of I don't think it's about
the technology and being old. I think it's about the
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NBA valuing their product in a way that they think
we want to consume it seven nights a week, and
now I have to do extra work to do it.
And I think that's the gross misjudgment on this is
the NFL is great because we don't have it every
night and the season is shorter, so we are always
(34:49):
craving it. We are already complaining about more basketball. Now
you're giving us more basketball, and you're making it more
difficult for me to watch it.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's where I think that they've completely missed the boat
on what the casual fan really wants. And again Manzi says,
it goes back to Wenny Chris Papet.
Speaker 9 (35:10):
You know, the sport that's on every night that like
doesn't take up any of our attention span a lot
is baseball. So like, I mean, I like baseball, but
it is absolutely I'm willing to throw a Tigers game
on in the background kind of thing. I think if
basketball keeps putting itself out there like this, it kind
of threatens to be that, but they want to be
the event.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
And the other point that the main tack. I'm sorry,
but it is a great, great point because the NBA
needs to think more like Major League baseball and not
like the NFL.
Speaker 9 (35:39):
Right, so they have they have too many games to
be an event, but they want that event or that
the NFL has, and it's just they're always going to
lose out. But I think the big thing that the
problem here more than anything, and it's a problem for
every sports league out there, is as you're embracing streaming technology,
all these frustrations you're all talking about, that is a
(35:59):
negative for everyone. That will eventually drive people away. And
I think as much as they've seen them, the dollar
signs with Amazon, Peacock, Netflix. I I'm a big soccer
fan and I saw and MLS retreated their entire package
behind Apple TV plus the next that same year, after
(36:22):
they did that, they had a sixty percent drop in
the MLS Cup Final that they put on main big
time Fox TV. Sixty percent of the audience went away
because nobody you're you're managing, as you say, multiple apps,
Do you have Peacock, do you have Amazon? And I
think that that is something losing channel flipping, all these
(36:42):
things add up to an experience that is a almost
more expensive now than cable in a lot of ways,
and b pushes the casual fan away and just I
think you start losing the accessibility of sports entirely. And
I just wonder at some point does the does does
that rooster come home? Does those hens come home to roost?
(37:03):
For the NBA and they see their ratings likewise, try
to go from a streaming ecosystem back to network TV
and then the ratings tank.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I think both of you are hitting it on the
head where it's like you think you're making this more accessible,
but you're actually not. There were times when I would
you'd be able to watch an NBA game, and sometimes
it was it would go from ESPN to like T
and T and they would tell you, oh, you know,
next game is over there, and I just hit a
button and I'd go back to it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Now, that's it's not making it simple for me.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
And I agree with what you're saying, Chris, it should
they should look more at baseball. I don't know how
basketball doesn't take advantage of like day games more often
during the during the regular season, have a noon game.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
People will go, sure, be off right now.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
People love did not go to work.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
M WEILB has their own very strong app and MLBtv
as well. And I think back like ten years ago,
League Pass was a cool thing, and I don't hear
about League Pass anymore, and I don't think League Pass
really holds the candle to what they do.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Believe. Bess is a big thing within NBA Twitter, and
that's and that's the point, is Adam Silver in the
NBA are catering to the to that audience, to the
NBA Twitter audience, and to a place where they can
catch their checks. To Moncey's point, I don't think it
does anything for us to like the NBA regular season
more since we've been complaining about it for years and
(38:24):
now this just gives us more difficulty to try to
to try to like something that we already are frustrated with.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
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Speaker 3 (38:49):
What about Blue Sky Blue.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Sky had Dan Byer I got to freak that up.
It's been a little it's been a little while.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Let's get you another follower, so you're up to what
forty seven?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
No? Oh, I've I cracked the two hundred mark a
while ago, Manzi. Oh, okay, I'll grab my phone here
in a second and let you know what the official
number is. The special number right now is thirty four.
It's the maximum number of primetime games that the NBA
wants teams to appear in. And there are four teams
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as the NBA schedule came out that reached that magic
number of thirty four. The Oklahoma City Thunder you're defending
NBA champions, not a surprise. The Los Angeles Lakers. They
could be two and eighty and I think that they
would get thirty four primetime games the next season. The
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Golden State Warriors and the New York Knicks where the
other team that got the max primetime benefit from the NBA.
And I just I look at those teams, Manzi, and
I understand Oklahoma City, and it's kind of like, you
have to do that.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
You have to It would have been a story in itself.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yes, the Knicks are obvious because they're the only team.
It feels like that the NBA has to market in
the Eastern Conference right now. And I know that Luca's
in LA and it's the Lakers, and I joke about
their record, but it's a Lebron and Steph thing as well, Hm,
with how big those brands are. But it just is
surprising to me, and it still feels like the NBA
(40:23):
doesn't have any sort of plan on what life's going
to be like when Lebron and Steph leave at some point.
Shouldn't you take these other teams? Shouldn't you take like
a Timberwolves team, make sure that Anthony Edwards are the
Spurs who we think are going to be really good,
and just not shove them down our throats, but they
should be at the level of these other teams that
are also getting maximum primetime exposure.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
But but push them a little down our throats. Not
shove them, but push them a little because I predict
that Let's hypothetically say the Thunder don't win this year, right,
it looks like the Thunder have a.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Good chance to repeat.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
But I feel like if the Thunder don't repeat next year,
we're having this conversation they're not going to have as
many primetime games.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
They don't want them to have that many primetime games.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Sure they did it out of respect because you want
and there are other teams that you're just like, really,
these are not teams that the Clippers are, like not
even on the list. When you saw the list of
the teams with the most primetime games, Clippers weren't even shown,
And I was like, how is that They're not even
in the top ten of the primetime games, which I'm
a little bit surprised about because yes, I know we're
the unks. I know we got all the old people,
(41:29):
but Curry and Lebron are still, you know, bringing in
the attention.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Maybe I'm just being biased.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
Well, it's because all your games are going to start
at two in the afternoon, because so it's not technically
primetime because the team is so old. That's why they're
going to be in bed by seven when it's actually
prime time.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Such James Harden, he's going to be out partying.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
The Timberwolves and Rockets were next with twenty eight. The
Spurs didn't even make the list of the top ten
teams to get the most TV games or stream games.
I'd listen, the Spurs of the two thousands, let's just
call them of the tim Duncan era. We love Tim Duncan.
(42:11):
He's the big fundamental. There's no flash right. This Spurs
team has some flash in pizazz and an absolute unicorn
in Victor wimbin Yama. How you do not have him
be the center point of what could be the future.
I have no idea, no sense. The Mavericks got twenty
three games, and they have the number one overall pick
and a possible future star in the NBA. And while
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as much as I can't stand the Dallas landed the
Cooper Flag lottery, I feel they're being shortchanged and getting
the number of games that they got compared to everybody else.
Riding throughout the state of Ohio. That's where we had.
Now where Zach Jackson joins us. He covers the NFL
and the Cleveland Browns for the Athletic You can find
him on x at Akron Jackson. I mean other are
(42:54):
you gonna be able to get home Zach today? I mean,
are there riots throughout the state because of the miss
Michigan punishments or lack thereof that we found out today
in college football?
Speaker 5 (43:04):
I'm in Philadelphia, Oh okay, yeah, so I have heard
you know about it and it is bitter there. Obviously,
Michigan's had the upper hands, so people are not pleased.
But I've been caught in the worst quarterback competition in
modern NFL history, So joy, where my energy's gone.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Joint practice is between the Browns and Eagles this week,
kept off by their preseason game coming up on Saturday.
So did last Friday's game with shud Or Sanders change
anything in the pecking order of the Browns quarterback dilemma?
Speaker 5 (43:36):
No, it didn't change the pecking order. I think it
energized some of the sandbase, you know, and then he
gets hurt after one more time out, so I don't
know if it energized like the locker room and stuff, right.
I think it did temporarily, But no, no order has
changed for over three weeks, and that's because Kenny Pickett,
who a lot of people believe that the team wanted
to win it, has not been a full participant since then.
(43:57):
So Joe Flacco has him good, and I think really
really good in about four of the last five practices,
so he's won the job. But he really won the
job because there was no other competition, because Dylan Gabriel
has not been good enough and Shador was not given
a chance, and Chador is not ready. Let me be
clear about that. Shador is talented, and last Friday showed
(44:19):
he's talented, and I think he's got a chance to
be an NFL starter down the road. But this competition
has never amounted. And it's to the point that three
of them have some level of injury we don't know.
And Tyler Huntley, who wasn't on the team, had to
come in and now it looks like he might play
the entire preseason tomorrow. So what a product that will be.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
Zach, You've been there since the beginning with the Browns
drafting Schador Sanders, so much surrounding him, so much attention.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Have you been surprised at it?
Speaker 4 (44:50):
How has he handled all of the eyes on him
from the start to now?
Speaker 5 (44:56):
From what we know, he's handled it all great. Right now,
it kind of feels like the interaction last week was
a setup with his camera crew happening to be there.
But that's the world we live in to ron. Rookies
have camera crews, right, and kids do things different ways.
But I mean, from every impression I've gotten outside of
these beating tickets that he got the team likes what
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he's done, how he's handled himself, how he's shown up
and asked questions, and his teammates love him. He's staying
on the field almost every day after for extra work
of some sort. And said, it's just weird with the injury,
and then it was extra deflating to the whole operation.
I don't think anybody can run with that, right, But
I am maybe a little bit surprised at the popularity.
(45:42):
Not really, I thought I was braced for it. But
I think what's happened is the Shadoor crowd has made
it Shador versus Gabriel, right, and they're so mad that
he hasn't gotten first team reps. And hey, if you're
rooting for somebody like that, I get it, But I
just encourage people to think bigger because Shudar versus Gabriel
is not even a content like he is so much
more talented. It's not even a contest. So the Browns
(46:03):
have created this. They used the top one hundred pick
on Dylan Gabriel and then undercut him by taking a
guy thin he picks later who's much more talented than
he is. So here they are, and I would imagine
We're three days or so from Flacco being named the starter.
But where should her his health wise? And you know,
will he even be on the active roster? Will he
be on ir tost start the year. I don't know.
I think we're you know, it's going to be the
(46:24):
full ten days I think before we find that out.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Zach Jackson joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. She's Monzie Blanio. So I'm Dan
Byer in for Doug today. What was ever the plan
then with Kenny Pickett? If Flaco has run away with it,
I know he's been dinged up, but what was there?
What was their goal in having him be a Brown
this season?
Speaker 5 (46:43):
Well, he was the first one that they acquired, Dan,
you know, that was the first day of free agency
late in the day, and that trade came out of nowhere.
And then when we finally met Kenny when it became official,
he said that the Eagles had actually given him a
heads up that there was some trade talks out as
a courtesy, and none of them the more with the
Brown Like, none of the signals he got were the Browns, right,
So really, if that's March tenth ish for a full
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month he was the only healthy quarterback because everybody knew
that Watson was not in the mix. Right, So, you know,
he is young, he started games, he moves well. I
think if he squint you see a fit with the
style that the Browns want to play and what he
can do. But he's just not very good and the
fact that he started twenty five games has but done
nothing but prove that.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (47:27):
So he is thirteen years younger than Joe Flacco. So
and he doesn't cost anything right now, so you could
see why they would want that. And you know, look,
they're in an awful, awful spot because of Deshaun Watson.
It's going to continue to hurt them down the road
because of the salary cap. Right, So what's the way out.
Either stumble into a guy like Kenny Pickett who has
(47:48):
a career renaissance, or stumble into your own rock party,
which is should or Sanders if it works out.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
It just seems like there are always a step behind though,
Like they like Joe like that, Like it feels like
bringing flacoback this year was because he wanted to make
up for the mistake of not bringing him back last
year after the late surge. You just bring up the
Kenny Pigott thing and how the Browns weren't the ones
talking about him. I mean, it's just, yeah, it just
(48:15):
seems like the I don't know, it's just an absolute mess.
There just doesn't seem to be even a question for me.
But all of these examples of laying out, like bringing
flacoback now should have been done fifteen months ago.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Yeah, I mean it couldn't because of Watson's fragile ego.
Bringing flacoback now like just kind of says everything about
the awkward intersection that this team is at. Because guys
in the locker room and there still are a lot
of good players on this team. They don't want to tank, right,
And like Joe came in and mastered the offense and
captivated the fan base and was awesome in the locker room, right,
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and so he's beloved and like he can still really
fling it, and Jerry Judy looks great, And that is
their hope of winning any game in the month of
September is that Jojo gets hot and even if he
throws two interceptions, which he always does, as long as
he throws two touchdowns and maybe the defense can win
a form at the end, right, so you know they
there might be a time, and it might be sooner
(49:11):
than later that this team is tanking and looking forward
to that not just next year, but the future years.
But for Kevin Stefanski, for the coaches, for the older
offensive linemen, the four best offensive linemen are are only
signed through this year. They have to go try to win,
and if they can't beat the Bengals in Week one,
then look at that schedule and tell me when a
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win is coming.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
Zach, you brought up Jerry Judy and that was going
to be my next question, coming off the best year
of his career.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
How is he connecting with Joe Flocko.
Speaker 5 (49:42):
It was a slow start, but I think it's natural.
I think for the first time in several years, they've
had kind of a real training camp. Like now, obviously
it's been odd because of the quarterback injuries, but like
it looked really bad then all of a sudden in
the second and third week, you could start to see
some offense looking a little bit sharper. And yeah, I
mean they got shut out by the Eagles here on
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day one of joint practices, but they were much better
yesterday and the two best passing players were flat out
of duty. He's just he looks really good and those
at least one of them was right on Quinny and Mitchell,
who's the rising star corner in this league. So you
know the next step for Judy is consistency. Right, But
we've seen the explosion and we saw the mega huge
game last year, but he stylistically flat Owen Judy should
(50:25):
be a really good fit.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Final question for Zach Jackson joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio, what happens now with Judkins? Like is he
do they expect to sign him? Is this? I mean,
now that he's clear from his charges, where does that stand?
Speaker 6 (50:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (50:37):
I think he will sign. I think the if is
out of the equation. I think he will sign. They're
going to let the NFL complete its investigation and make
its rulings. So I don't think he's going to play
anytime soon. And that's not to say for sure that
he's going to get suspended. It's in play. But he's
missed off camp. You know, the rookies reported four weeks
ago today and he has not been there for one thing.
So I think you'll see quinche and Judkins play and
probably play a lot for the Browns from from October on,
(51:00):
but it's not going to be early. But I still
think that he will be deleting running back for this team.
We just don't know exactly when and what a.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Draft class you trade? Don you get another first but
after that, yikes, Zach. We appreciate it. Enjoy the game
as much as you can. On Saturday. I'd love to
talk to you against you and appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (51:16):
All right, Thank you?
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Get Matt Action Jackson on X.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
Thanks Zach.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Do you think he realized I was the one who
slid into his DM.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
Once he did, She was trying to book him for
her own shell on Sundays at Carrie Roads, five o'clock
eastern to Pacific. Then he got back to you a
couple of days later, but that's what happens. Yeah, volleyball nine.
So then you didn't see it until this morning. Funny
how those things work out. Hit Mancy up at monci Blanas.
You could find me at dan Byer on Fox
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