August 25, 2025 • 46 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug addresses the ridiculous notion that the Browns are setting up Shedeur Sanders to fail.
Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders GM Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about Shedeur Sanders, Micah Parsons and all of the headlines around the NFL.
On this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved and hated most from the sports weekend.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the greatest day of your life. Sure, why not? Right,
you have the greatest day of your life? No, I
mean it. You guys think I'm being condescending. I'm not
in any way. So I don't know how we got here,
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but here we are. We're at this crossroads. What we are?
What crossroads you like? Pray tell Doug Gottlieb what crossroads
you're at. We're at this crossroads where you can either
choose to listen to logic, reason people in the industry,
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or you can listen to people who have bones to
pick and carry you in a bias of things. I
love I love t Josh Benzada an actual personal friend
and a friend of the show. So when I play
for this sound of T Josh man Zada, I just
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I don't know. I think it's interesting. We also have
sound of RG three, but we all carry sort of
a baggage, many of us against RG three and his
way of analyzing and the perspective he comes from. Shador
Sanders played poorly over the weekend in a preseason game
for the Cleveland Browns. If you've watched Door Sanders and
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I've watched a ton, it's talented quarterback, accurate, He's not
crazy athletic, but he can be elusive. It doesn't have
a big arm, but seems to get the job done
and understands the timing. But there's something missing there. One
of the big things that the criticism he held the
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ball too long. Now, remember he didn't have a good
offensive line for the most part in college. How do
we know One he took a lot of sacks, but
two he made sure to tell us as such. I
don't profess to be a quarterback guru. I've seen all
the highlights, have seen every play he played, and in
no way did he play well. He accumulated five sacks
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and the main reason, for the most part, was he
held the ball. He probably held the ball because he
didn't see it, might have been confused. He's just a rookie.
It's not the end of the world. But if you
factor in all of these things, didn't play well in
two of the outings, right, he didn't. He didn't play
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well in the outing. There's always been concerns about him
holding the football too long. And if you're holding it
too long, are you holding it too long to make
the hero player? You're holding it too long because you're
not seeing it and identifying it and getting rid of
the football. And then you factor in what everyone in
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the league said about his attitude and preparing for the draft.
While he has said some things which there's an appearance
of some humbling, let's not act like he's been humbled.
He shows up with his little mine entourage, people filming
him everywhere. And then you factor in that if you
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don't play him the right amount of STAPs, with the
right surrounding personnel, well, now you're trying to undercut his
chances of making the team. Where do I sign up
for this dream scenario in which I get Shador standards
and I get all this baggage for a guy who,
though talented, not the perfect player. Tom Telesco is going
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to join us later on the show. I'll never forget
a conversation he and I had they needed a backup
quarterback with the Chargers, and I was like, I asked,
this is in the early Kaepernick years, early Kaepernick out
of the NFL years, and his response was, I'd never forget.
I'd be a hero if I signed him. But you
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become powerless towards releasing him if he's not good enough
or he's not a good backup quarterback. It doesn't want
to be a backup quarterback. At the time, they had
Philip Rivers, So I'm gonna pass. He doesn't want to
be a backup, and people who support him think that
if he is a backup, if he's not playing, it's
because of something other than football. You tell me which
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part of this dream everyone else in the NFL wants
to sign up for. Here's tjo's Benzada on shann In
Sharp show. Why do you think the Browns played it
the way they did?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And and and you door and Shador's performance today.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
From a from my assessment, y'all, they don't want to controversy.
That's how I look. They don't want to count because
we know what Flaco can do. Why why is Flacco
start the game? We know what he can do. He
let y'all to the playoffs the last time, y'all let
him play. So, if you're trying to figure out who
you gonna play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel,
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you let them split the game. Snoop is Snooper Helley Tyler,
Hunty's getting cut tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You let them.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You let them battle without And so to me, it
was like, Wow, you you put him in with guys.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's gonna be on the street tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They all getting cut shat and everybody should do play
with you know that tomorrow on Monday. And so you
didn't get this man a fighting chance to compete. He
went into a gunfight with two knives. He gonna lose
that every time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay, and most of those offense lemon have been cut.
I don't know about the lineman playing previous to that. Okay,
he got to play with guys that stuck on the
team during his first outing because the other guys are hurt.
Stup Huntley, by the way, and I know there was
defensive penalties. Did he come in and lead them to
a game winning field goal that did happen, right, So
it is possible. Here's what I would like. Here's what
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I would really like. I've told this to other people,
told this to parents when I coached AAU basketball I've
told it to people who now I have two seats
that are right next to me that are not not
on my bench. As a donor who actually went with
us to the Cubs game, Shannon who owns a roofing company.
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He's a brilliant dude, and he sits there and he's
the only guy who knows why I'm taking somebody out. Hey,
whush did you happen to mention? He was awful? Awful?
His body language was worse. You show me the young
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starting quarterback, the one who comes from an NFL family,
the one who had his number retired after playing two
years at a school. You show me the guy who
has that bad abide language when he's not playing well.
You can say whatever you want about the offensive line.
It wasn't made better by Shador Sanders, Okay continuing to
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drop back and not step up into the pocket and
deliver the football. He just held it and held it
and held it. He's not a great athlete and he's holding,
back pedaling, and it was bad. You're allowed to take
people out. You're allowed, especially with young players that you're
gonna keep, to take him out and go, hey, dude,
this wasn't good. Take a breath and watch. That's a veteran,
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same offensive line, same game plan. Let's see what he does,
see how he controls it. That's called coaching. And what
irritates the crap out of every coach and most people
in sports is when something that has nothing to do
with coaching gets thrust in front of you. You don't
have to blame. You don't have to split the minutes,
you don't have to split the reps. And by the way,
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I'm not a quarterback guru. I don't know. I can
tell you that I did watch. I watched every step.
Dylan Gabriel was remarkably better, and I've never been a
Dylan Gabriel guy. I do think he has a fairly
low ceiling because he doesn't have a big arm. He
is little. But you know what, played really well in
both of his preseason appearances, So why would they set
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him up to fail? Like, No, do I think that
that Stefanski loves the set up. I'm sure he hates it.
I'm sure it's like the rest of us. We roll
our eyes and it's ridiculous. And you have these sick
of fans, like, how do we get to this place
where Shador Sanders is now calling Kaepernick? I don't know,
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like explain, you know? He son of a pro, went
to private schools, had private training, had his dad as
his coach, was arrogant, and treated a lot of people
who played with him or around them poorly. Despite that,
he had some success, mostly at Jackson State, some at Colorado.
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Goes to the draft and rubs everybody the wrong way
with his pre draft attitude and his willingness to show
complete disdain for teams he didn't want to play with,
and the teams that he did want to play for
didn't want him. So he follows to the fifth round
of the draft. You're in the National Football League also
known as NFL. Not for long, and there's modest change
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at times in his persona. Then he plays poorly. Right again,
all you have to ask Shannon, and again Shanon just
ask him did he play well? Forget about the players
around him. Did he play well? And if he says
he didn't, have a chance. That's fine. I've watched those
videos of those sacks. He stepped back instead of up
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into the pocket. He could take a knee, he could
dirt a ball, he could throw to his hot he
chose not to do so, Like, stop making it about something,
it's not that it's about. Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked
about that after the game.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things.
But you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what We'll stay committed
to him. That's what's important to me.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, I yeah, I think you cut him. You
cut him unless the owner says you cannot do it.
And I know they haven't done it yet. I just
I think you and the fact that they haven't cut him,
by the way, is the greatest sign of their actual
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belief in him as a player. Because if I'm coaching
there and you're like, okay, he's my at best, my
third third best quarterback right now. Okay, So I'm going
to get pressure from fanboys that don't watch or care
or whatever. I'll get some social media pressure. I'll get
some media pressure to talk about him, to play him
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to whatever. When he's at best third on the depth chart. Okay,
best third in the depth chart. And if you do
play him now, you can't really ever replace him. Think
about it. You put him in there and he played
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like crap. And the takeaway for some people is you
made him play like crap. Imagine if he goes into
an actual Browns game, if he plays well, people will
go crazy. If he plays poorly, people will go crazy,
but they're not gonna blame him. I don't know how
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we got there. I don't I don't understand. Like it's
if it was about race, then why they just cut
Snoop Huntley, Like nobody mentioned snow Puntley's black, by the way,
way more experienced they cut him. Yeah, I'd love this.
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I'd love at some point, Jay Sue, maybe next year
when you come to one of our games, you can
track why I take certain players out. I do that
with their parents all the time. I had one of
my kids who left the dad's like, why you took
him out for this? You took him out for that?
I was like, WHOA, No, I didn't no, I didn't
you took him out of a mistake, like no, no, no, no, nope, nope.
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Didn't take guy out for one mistake. The mistake you
saw that you recognized. That's one. But there was probably
a bunch of coaching on things you were supposed to
do that you didn't do. It didn't do well. You
took him out because he missed a shot, And I'm like, no,
I didn't. He took a bad shot and he didn't
get back on defense, and he didn't talk, and he
picked up the wrong guy. Then he didn't box out,
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then he didn't get out and run, and then he
turned the ball over and then you know, it's like
you see one, I see a bunch of things. So
I would the one piece of advice I could give
to Kevin Stefanski is you can't show people video and
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say what here, this is what we're really looking at.
There is a way, and we use an analytics company.
And one of the reasons, the best reason for using
this analytics company called HCI, is that it it takes
away the need for confrontational arguments. You know, a parent
has an opinion about a kid and you're like, he's
just not very good defensively, and you show me where
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all you have to do is do the print out
and there's something called defensive leverage. He has the worst
defensive leverage on the team. Well, what's that mean? That
means that we are at our worst defensively when your
son is on the floor. That's why he's not gonna play.
I'm sure there's Samana legal data to back it up.
Show it to them. But if you ever want to
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know why or Sanders, if and when gets cut by
the Browns will be hard to sign this week, this
week will be your reason, these couple days of a reason.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
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Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's the Doug gott Lieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
This is the only show that brings you guys that
actually truly know what they're talking about. Other shows do,
but we make sure we have the most reputable people,
especially in football. No one better than Tom Telesco eleven
years GM with the Chargers, San Diego and LA and
of course last year with the Las Vegas Raiders kind
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of to spend some time with us every week here
on the show. Okay, first, let me just get to
the actual performance in the game. We did get the
chance to see Flacco look good. Dylan Gabriel came in,
Chador struggled. We saw Snoop Huntley before he got before
he got released. What was your assessment of how the
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two rookie quarterbacks for the Browns play.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Well? I agree with you. Dylan Gabriel looked looked good
for the second game in the row. He just he
can move the team. He makes quick decisions, he gets
the ball out of his hand quickly. He's got a
pretty good zip for for a smaller quarterback. He's got
good arm strength, which you don't see all the time
with a smaller quarterback. But he looked similar to what
he looked in college, and that was a positive. And Shador,
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you know, didn't have his best day. He played much
better that the two games before. You know, he struggled
there and and I can see I think part of
this developmental process with him was not putting him out
there for that two minutes trial just because some of
the body language coming off the field after two tough
series just wasn't what you'd expect. You don't want your
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quarterback to just walk off the field with his head
down there there's there's gonna be adversity, you know, down
to down series the series. You have to handle that
as a quarterback. So on the outset, looking in, I
was wondering if this was Kevin Stephanis saying, Hey, look
this this is a teaching moment for you as far
as how you handle the lows on the field. And
we're gonna let Snoop take this last drive. But I
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think you can tell by the way it lined up, obviously,
I Flacko was the starter. Dylan Gabriel. He was drafted
above should or for a reason. They must have had
him ranked higher, and he didn't show anything in the
preseason that would lead you to believe that he would
drop in the Dutch charts. You're looking at him as
the two. I guess is a three? Can you take
us the wildcard? I don't know how he sits in
there right now because he just didn't play a lot
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in the preseason. Is either two is either three? Is
someone they would move That remains to be seen before Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I want to make sure I stayed I am not
putting it out there. I'll tell you my own feelings
in a second. I have seen other people and now
there are more former players than anything saying Stefanski is
basically sabotaging shadoor right put him out there with Lineman
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he was going to cut and didn't let him be
the hero and play the two minute row, which every
quarterback dreams of. Is there any scenario where that's a possibility.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Maybe great for sports talk radio, but not in reality. No,
that's not, absolutely not. I mean he's first of all,
he's a very good head coach that has a good
track record on the offensive side of the ball. He
knows what he's looking at. He's off in a situation
where he has four quarterbacks he's trying to get a
really good look at and I know he don't need
as much a look at Joe Flacco. You still want
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to make sure you know where he is performance level is.
So he had a tough challenge going into training camp
to get four quarterbacks enough reps, not like to show
what they can do, but to help them develop. So
he knows what he's doing. And yeah, no, he's not
out there sabotaging anything. It's just you only get so
many series. And I do think he's just trying to
teach these guys and he had a rough, had a
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rough couple of series there, he has a great series.
You know, in the first preseason game. You're going to
have up and downs as a rookie quarterback. That's just
part of life and part of life and professional football
is learning how to deal with that, because when you're
the quarterback, not only does everybody not the fans and
media looking at you, your teammates are looking at you.
So you know, just you don't want to see your
quarterback just walking off the field after a series or
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walking off with his head down. That I think it
was more a teaching moment than anything else.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Does all of this noise surrounding should Doure does. Does
this make it if the Browns thing doesn't work? Does
it make it less likely somebody else picks them up?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
That's a good point, just because I wanted to say no.
But then you know, he was also drafted in the
fifth round. I think some of that was just due
to the noise people were worried about coming in. But
the bottom line is he has starter talent in the NFL.
Is he ready for prime time? Probably not ready quite yet,
but he has starter talent. He's got good enough farm
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strength he's got good feel in the pocket that I
get to time more on the inconsistent level, but he
can feel a rush, you can get the ball out
of his hands, and he's relatively accurate. So he has
some skills there. He's said a lot of a lot
of staffs in college football, but he has to adapt
to the NFL game. It's going to take some time.
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Certainly somebody would give an opportunity somewhere else. How many
teams would, I'm not sure, just because what I said, like,
he was drafted in the fifth round when really his
talent level said he should have gone higher. So they're
probably some teams that may be scirted off by that,
But I think the smarter teams see a potential, you know,
potential starter down the road. Maybe not right now, but
down the road. It is something you have to take
a look at.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Is Anthony Richardson done in Indy.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Well, I mean he's had plenty of opportunities there. They
say he's not, and I do believe them. They've been
loyal to their players, they've been loyal to him and
given them opportunities. But he may be a situation that
other first round pick quarterbacks have fallen into just like
Daniel Jones with the Giants, he may knee a change
of scenery. That's never a bad thing, and that could
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come up. And if you look how Daniel Jones handed
his process, he handle it really well. He was released
during the season from the Giants. It just didn't work out.
You know, a lot of options at that point, including me.
I was trying to sign on to come to the
active roster with the Raiders so he'd give us another
option as a starting quarterback. And he decided to sign
on the practice squad with the Vikings to kind of rehabilitate,
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learn a little bit from Kevin O'Connell, kind of get
his kind of settle his career down a little bit,
and then be a free agent at the end of
the year and pick where to go to go compete
for a job. He picked the right spot, wins the Colts,
competed for a job and won the job. So Richardson
could be in that same boat eventually. But I do
believe and when they say that he'll get another opportunity there.
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He's got a lot of talent. His ceiling's really high.
It's just the consistency level, it's just really low. Right now,
and it's no different than what he showed in college.
There were high, very high high and low lows, and
you're seeing the same thing at this level. And there
are also injuries at the college levels, so you're seeing
a lot of the same things. But I think you'll
get another opportunity there to show what he can do,
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and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes this year.
With Daniel Jones, we don't know how he's going to play.
He's gonna be the Daniel Jones of Gables first year
or the last couple of years. He's also had some injuries,
so there's a good chance at some point Richardson plays again.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco. Of course, longtime Joe manager of
the La Chargers last year jail manager of the Law
Vegas Raiders. Uh, Terry McLaurin that deal finally gets done.
Was there anything numbers wise that was so alarming that
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it should have taken this log.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I guess we'll find out down the road. I mean,
up to ninety six million. It could mean a lot
of different things, So we'll see when the numbers come in.
My guess is when it's all said and done, he'll
be right in that top ten range, not necessarily the
top five, but top ten, which I think is a
good spot. You'll get a nice deserved raise. Was it
worth to hold in I don't know. I don't know
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how the negotiations were back and forth, but he's gets
a pretty good raise and he's got two weeks to
get ready to play. That's the only thing I'm concerned
about as a receiver, and because he didn't have a
full off season program he was rehabbing an ankle injury
and then no training camp. Receivers obviously the high volume
running position, and you know how many stats will he
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be able to play opening day? I mean, certainly in
conditioning shape. Is just a difference between conditioning shape and
football shape. But really glad it got done. This was
the point where in the same thing with the Hendrickson deal,
it needs to get done now to get ready for
opening day. But there's some deadlines coming up the kind
and they kind of spur that. But I think the
numbers are kind of come in where we expected, whichuld
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be right around at top ten.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Toms. Let's go our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio, what do you do with
Micah Parsons? Like, it's one thing to ask to be
traded and go through all this sort of thing like
laying down on the massage table during a game, just
generally acting like an ass right, Like, what what do
you do there? If you're in charge of the Cowboys?
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How do you how do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This is this is real theater, you know, from the
outside looking, and it's totally different than the McLaurin and
Hendrickson holdout. Yeah, the laying on the table not the
look you're looking for. Whether you're laying on the table
for thirty seconds or thirty minutes, it's just not the
look you're looking for. First off, They're just you have
to have communication between yourself and the agent. And I
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just think in this situation until the agent is part
of the process, I just don't see the deal getting done.
And I know every team does it different ways. I
know the Cowboys have done in different ways, But in
this situation, until there's direct communications and negotiation with with
the agent, I just don't see anything getting done. Now,
the big thing is we move into that cut the
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fifty three and get ready for opening day. You know,
if you're holding out and you're not there and you
don't play in the game, obviously you wouldn't make your
your base salaries for that week. But if you're holding in,
you're on the active roster, and if you don't play
in the game, then the club would still owe you
and his you know, for him, it'd be over a
million dollars one point three million dollars for that game.
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I see no way the Cowboys are going to pay
one point three million to not play in the game.
So something has to break here, whether it's to get
the deal done or it's there's conduct detrimental for refusing
to play, and then you can either you can find
the player, you can suspend him. Something's going to have
to happen because he's on the active roster. He's due
to be paid week one right now, even though he's
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not going to play. So I'd be shocked in the
next seven days if there wasn't some movement one way
or another. But it has to start with communication on
both sides, and you know, more so on the Cowboys side.
It sounds like, well.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Stut Gottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. How far
away is Jackson dart.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Well, I'm a big Jackson Dark fan from the draft
and then watching the preseason that I haven't changed my mind.
So yeah, I think he could go in and play
right now at what level he would take some lumps.
I mean just it's natural as a rookie quarterback. But
I think he could play right now. But it's also
not a bad thing that he sits and waits. I
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mean it's different for every quarterback. It's different for every situation.
I think Brian Gaebeles definitely he's going to pick the
quarterback they can that he feels right now has to
give them the best chance to win opening Day. He
feels like, right now it's Russell Wilson. But I think
at the time comes, whether it's September, October, November, December,
I think Jack's won't be ready to go. I'm ready
to play.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Matt Stafford starting to like how do you handle that
where you just you have no idea. I mean, I
guess you got Garoppolo, who's you led a team to
a super Bowl, But how do you handle that in
terms of how much you invest in Stafford in real time?
Like obviously I'm not talking contractually, but what what how
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do you how do you handle the Stafford thinking for
the Rams.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Well, it's literally going to be day by day, and
it sounds like it's getting better day by day. But
as a lot of us know, with back injuries and that,
and if it has effected your nerves, you know, sometimes
the rehab process and the strength it comes very slowly,
and so they have to kind of gradually start moving
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them in. But you have to also have a plan
B with with Garoppolo in case Stafford is not ready
to play. So probably in practice with your ones, probably
the backup quarterback Garoppolo in this case, you'll probably take
more snaps than he usually would to get him ready
in case he has to play, which is completely fine
because Stafford probably you probably don't want to have him
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take every snap right now in practice. So they've got
thirteen fourteen days ago before opening day, still have some time.
But essentially, if you're the coach, you know you really
have to get two quarterbacks ready to play since just
you know, back range back injuries are unpredictable. I know
he has missed, he hasn't missed very much time in
his career, but he's had back injuries in the past,
and you know, the older you get, it doesn't get better,
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So don't have a plan for both. But in practice
you're certainly going to work. Both quarterbacks are good amount.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He's the one and only Tom Telesco. Of course, what
does he know. He's only been in professional football his
entire professional life and been a gentle manager for twelve
years in the Nation Football League. Last thing, Tommy, do
you like this system where it's basically like one big
cutdown or did you like the old system better?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
So? I like this better because gives every player a
chance to compete for a job. The only hard part
about it was just administratively releasing thirty seven players over
a day or two. It's just a lot of work
because you want to spend enough time with each player
on his way out, just as a courtesy, just talk
to him about what he did about career options moving forward,
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that sort of things. You want to make sure you
take the right time the head coach to position coaches,
So there's a lot of time involved. But I like
the one cut because because everybody get a chance to
show what they can do for the certainly for the
third preseason game. You have a really good chance to
play your young guys. If you're a team that doesn't
want to play their starters. It gives you enough players
to play the third preseason game and give every player,
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say college for agents that when you sign a MAC
for the draft. Part of the recruiting process is we're
gonna give you the whole offseason program. We're gonna give
you all training camp in three preseason games to show
us what you can do. And guys need that, and
so I like this. It's just administratively, we're a two
day span. It's just a lot of players to let
go of. Now you know, roughly half will come back
(29:21):
on practice squads. Sure, but no, it's a process. It's
not fun really from players obviously, but the process itself
of building that initial fifty three is a very enjoyable process.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He's time to LESCo. He's built the original fifty three
as the gentleman, as a gentlemenasuer for twelve twelve different years.
And just love having you, love soaking up that knowledge. Tom,
Thanks so much for joining us. We'll talk next week.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
All right, sounds good, Thank you.
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to your boy wherever you go. We do this every Monday.
It's a great way of kind of getting different points
of view of the sports weekend. We call it love
and hate.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
God?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I love you?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
These player haters.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Love love, love, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate hate hate. Okay,
it's these. Let's start with you, Monsie. You're the uh
you love lots of stuff. Tell me what you love
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most of the weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
All right, there's actually a few things, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna have to mention it one more time. I
know we've talked about it, but.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
I really really loved that cal Rawley was able to
have a successful second half of the season after participating
in the Home Run Derby, not just because it is
exciting when records are broken, like that's what we want,
just so people feel like, hey.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
There's always an opportunity that we can see history. Right,
But in other sports we've seen, like the All Star
Game and other sports kind of like continue to fall
and continue to produce a terrible product. And I feel
like baseball still has a fun home run derby, a
good you know, all Star game that people participate in,
but the Home Run Derby a lot of players are
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afraid to participate because we have seen the downfall in
the second half. So aside from records being broken, aside
from seeing cal Raley do what a lot of people
didn't think, Like Jason, it's nice because now I'm hoping
other big players, other big stars in baseball that have
not participated in the home run derby when they're hot,
that they actually do it, that they're not afraid of it.
(32:34):
Because if a catcher can do it, a full time
catcher that is out there putting in the work with
those legs up and down, squatting constantly, and Jason mentioned it,
it's not even that many games as a as a
designated hitter. Like now, there's really gonna be less excuses
when we come around for this next you know, home
run derby. That's what I really loved about the weekend.
(32:55):
I'm excited for cal Raley and you know what, he's
not even done. I wonder what the final number is
going to be. And that's gonna be another time where
I bring this back up. So until then, go cal Raley,
big dumper, big, big dumper, big.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
What's the name of the what's the name of that
that country artist that you like, is it Morgan something Morgan.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
From Morgan Waller, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
To walk this weekend. Kyle Rawley to me, will always
sound like a guy who opened for Morgan Walling.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
You know, I will say, Also, big Dumper is the
best name that a baby can have on the back
of a Onesie like you know, if you give him
like a cal Raleigh like Onesie says big dump, that's
that's the best.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Sorry, it's good.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It is good. Good, Okay, Chase.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I love
the fact that Monsey brought up guys that are reluctant
to do the home run derby because my love today
has to do with show Hey Otani, who was never
participated home run derby. I don't think you should. I
don't think you should. And yesterday was amazing. So I
guess a heckler was wearing them out right next to
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the Dodger dugout. And what do you do with a
heckler that's been wearing you out for nine innings? Well,
you hit a home run in the ninth to cap
an eight to two win over your nemesis and then
show hey as opposed to most big leaguers who ignore
the hecklers. And they walked to the dugout show. Hey
(34:35):
went over and gave him a high five. And that's
what you do to hecklers. You hit a home run,
you shove it in his face, and then you give
them a high five. Something maybe Jose Al two they
should have done when a certain heckler did this in
a ballgame recently. Is that what.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Twenty seven stands for the number of pitches you saw
coming to the TeV twenty seventeen postseason?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Is that what twenty seven stamps for?
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Answer me, Doug, You said this that that wasn't too wordy, right?
It was very concise?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yes, it was. It was sharpest, concisest to the point.
I mean, I think everybody applauded your ability there to
talk trash in a super uncomfortable way. Yes, classic, Ryan,
What do you got wou'd you left for the weekend?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
I love train wrecks, Doug, especially when they're self inflicted.
This Browns quarterback situation is hilarious to me. Four quarterbacks
on your roster. There was no reason for them to
draft Sanders. They're not gonna cut them. They're not gonna
cut them, I don't think so. And they're really gonna
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go into the season with four quarterbacks and it's just
gonna be a circus. The Browns just do this to
themselves every single year. They are just a bunch of idiots.
And I'm here for the whole car wreck.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I love it.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
That's what I love.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
I'm with the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's it's a lot, there's a lot going on there.
I'll tell you what I love. From the weekend, we
had an Elite camp, and you know, you use the
Elite camp you really want to show guys, your campus,
your coaching staff, how you do things. And it gave
us a chance to evaluate some of the younger players
in the state, especially I just there is a portion
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of the sport of college sports which is very much professionalized,
and it's about who can get me the most money?
How do I get the most money, and then go
find somewhere else I can go get the most money.
And that's again apparently okay by people. There's still something
special about offering a kid a scholarship and have it
(36:56):
be meaningful to him. And I did that yesterday to
two young guys and it's not for twenty twenty six,
and it just still feels good. It still feels good
and It still feels bad to not offer a scholarship
somebody who you know wants to come and is close,
but like you not actually helped me get to You're
not ready to help me get to the destination we need.
(37:18):
But still feels really really good. There still is the
kind of organic Hey, I've always wanted to play at
this place. Forget about money. I just love that part
of the weekend.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
This is a I mean, that was an amazingly touching story.
So I don't want to downplay that, but I was
kind of hoping you would Your love today would be
what you did after that count, which was what I thought.
I saw you and Dan Byer on a course we
play golf.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Oh I forgot that. Dan posted that. Yeah, so I
felt bad. So Dan's out there. So Dan's mom lives
like hour and forty minutes from from my country club,
right hour and forty minutes. So he he's like, hey,
you want to play. It's like, yeah, I'm done with camp.
I don't know three. Then I got to talk to parents,
probably done at four. So it was periodically downpouring, and
(38:09):
I'm like, well, there's no way Dan's gonna be years,
Like no, but still here. So it's like, all right, well,
let's see if we can sneak in nine. We went
out there and I mean we had the whole course
to ourselves. It was it. It's gonna warm back up
this weekend. But it was fall. It was beautiful. We
saw ten deer and two other golfers and he played
really well. I played decently well. It was fun. So yeah,
(38:31):
that was That was a good part too, Ryan, what'd
you get.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
Already? Went Doug.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's get to what we hated from
the weekend. We hated from the weekend with a resident hater,
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
Yes, that is me. Let's see what's tid I hate
from the weekend. I hadn't locked and loaded. What was
my hate? Do you remember?
Speaker 9 (39:03):
I'm not Charles Xavier. I can't read your mind.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Yeah. Sorry, there was something that Joy Taylor said over
the weekend that did want to mention, and I just
think that there's like, you know, five years ago, everybody
lost their mind, right in twenty twenty, and then all
of a sudden we found out that on air what
everybody's politics was, and it was accepted and no one
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thought twice about it, and then it came and gone,
and it doesn't get enough attention for how unsightly it was.
But you know, Joy was very much a part of
the liberal left and wokeness. And you know, every margin
wise group in the country needs to be spoken for,
especially people with privileged need to step up and say
(39:49):
this margin wise group, it's how they look, has nothing
to do with them, It's not their fault. And then
she goes on Cam Newton's podcast and calls Jason Whitlock
fat says that she's surprised as it is still alive
and that a coronary hasn't happened yet. I thought that
was a bit hypocritical, you think.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Plus, can you imagine if we said anything about her
appearance or any woman's appearance, how that would go over.
We would go not well, I have to say this,
and I'll go more into it in the pod. But Moncey,
I mean, I think she's done a lot of damage
to women in broadcasting here. She had high profile spots.
(40:30):
I'm not even going to get into the you know,
off Mike, what happened in the you know, the lawsuit stuff.
Wish she has not come out and denied. I don't
know enough about it. All I can tell you is
that that's not great for the perception of women in
the in the industry. And then, and here's the thing, Mancy,
(40:54):
you would be honest and like you're learning all the
time about sports, right, yeah?
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay, if you every weekend went on like a went
went to some different resort and posted pictures and then
Monday came back and wanted to speak on authority about
every sport that was played over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yeah, you're saying mixed messages, right, correct, Yeah, you're saying
and I totally understand that, and I agree with a
lot of what you're saying. I just it's unfortunate because
it does put a negative light. It does, And I
think it was more that I think she realized that
maybe she had other avenues of success that she could
dip her toe in, and it did become like a
(41:41):
mixed message like am I am I supposed to go
to you for sports or are you now going to
be you know, a social media And there's nothing wrong
with that, But I just feel like she was just
kind of like trying to do a little bit too
much maybe and then getting mad when she didn't get
the respect that she thought she demanded correct.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So that's the part. The part is when you when
you chastise others, yeah, or not treating your opinions with
a proper amount of respect, and yet you clearly don't.
I actually think she's really smart. She knew she used
the sports to get in and she wanted to do
other stuff. Yeah, okay, fine, but don't like chastise us
(42:22):
for people who not me, you know, people in the
media or whatever, fans who don't take your opinion seriously.
Not because you're a woman. I'm sure there are some
that's because you're a woman, but there's a greater portion
of like, hey, you know, you're putting out there on
social media. It's not like it's a private account, and
you're literally never here, never going to sporting events, you know,
except when it's your nephew. Like that's it.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Does damage MANSI what you do? What did you hate
for the weekend?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (42:50):
Let me tell you I hate is a strong word,
but very annoyed on the verge of hate. Let's say
that I am just Lebron James is in this middle
of like the NB season is starting in two months.
I don't know if he's talked to DeAndre Ayton, Marcus Smart,
has he congratulated Luka doncic. I don't know, but we
know that things are weird there. And this guy thinks
(43:11):
that we're just gonna see his tweets about golf and
forget the situation. Now, all of a sudden, you like
golf and you want to say Tommy fleet his tweet.
He doesn't tweet about anything. And if yesterday like five
tweets about golf, and you're just like, why are you?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Who are you to now all.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
Of a sudden think we're gonna go to you for
golf or pretend you're he's he's pretending, and I'm just
so over it. I'm just so over it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You don't like him?
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Sometimes you just don't. Yeah, it's like, what do you, Lebron?
Go on, man, don't say anything at all. Don't say
anything at all?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Here you are? You don't want us to talk about you?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
Oh, let me tweet about Tommy Fleetwood. Shut up, Lebron?
Speaker 9 (43:55):
Such a hang?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Okay, what about you there? Ryan? When he got.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
I hate it when people are giving a chance and
they blow the opportunity. Shiloh Sanders, what the hell were
you thinking, man, the final preseason game and you punch somebody. Dude,
you're undrafted, They're gonna cut you. Like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Man? That wasn't the worst part. Though. That wasn't the
worst part. The worst part was, uh, it was it.
Jordan Schultz was like, how can you throw him out
for this? This is ridiculous? Like, hey, Jordan, it's a
rule punch in the NFL. You get ejected and he
did it right in front of an official.
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Yes, personally, I think they should let them fight. They
have pads on in a helmet. You're not gonna hurt anybody.
The only person that's gonna get hurt is the person's
who's throwing the punch. But whatever, Shilo Sanders man, like
you ticked me off over the weekend.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Don't only have to give credit to the guy that
he punched. I have no idea who this guy is.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
I'm going saying instigated him pushing him? Yeah, yeah, this
receiver though, no, this this seemed like the play was
over and he was still bothering him.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
In the moment he turns back and calls for the
penalty from the from the refs gets gets the onslaught
of flags and then goes right to the too short
gesture right right away. I thought it was brilliant. It
was actually a really good rub it in gesture. And
then I'm.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
With I'm with Ja Jase too. It was a very
good rub it in.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
It was taunting, which was not called by the way.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I didn't like how the weekend. I mean, like I
I hated how the weekend went for college football completely
according to plan. And I think, like I watched Fresno
State and I have friends that are in the cal
State system. For people don't know, the UC system is
U C.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
L A.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Berkeley. For the cal State system, there's San Diego State,
Long Beach State, Fresno State, cal State, Santis Laws, Fullerton
which is not Fullerton State.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
It's Stanislaus. What a deep poll cal State Stanislaus won, Yes.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
But Fresnoe went and played Kansas. Kansas is not the
most invested in school. They put a bunch of money
into the new David Booth Football whatever Oriial Stadium, and it's beautiful,
but they're they're they're trying to compete in the Big Twelve,
which is a higher level than Fresno, and Fresno has
no money, and that's what it looked like. And I
think that's what a lot of these non conference games
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are going to look like. The big boys have so
much more money that it's not competitive and I hate it.
I hate it, But it's not that I hate Kansas winning.
It's just it wasn't really a competitive football game. And
that's love and hate.
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the greatest day of your life. Sure, why not? Right,
you have the greatest day of your life? No, I
mean it. You guys think I'm being condescending. I'm not
in any way. So I don't know how we got here,
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but here we are. We're at this crossroads. What we are?
What crossroads you like? Pray tell Doug Gottlieb what crossroads
you're at. We're at this crossroads where you can either
choose to listen to logic, reason people in the industry,
(01:08):
or you can listen to people who have bones to
pick and carry you in a bias of things. I
love I love t Josh Benzada an actual personal friend
and a friend of the show. So when I play
for this sound of T Josh man Zada, I just
(01:31):
I don't know. I think it's interesting. We also have
sound of RG three, but we all carry sort of
a baggage, many of us against RG three and his
way of analyzing and the perspective he comes from. Shador
Sanders played poorly over the weekend in a preseason game
for the Cleveland Browns. If you've watched Door Sanders and
(01:55):
I've watched a ton, it's talented quarterback, accurate, He's not
crazy athletic, but he can be elusive. It doesn't have
a big arm, but seems to get the job done
and understands the timing. But there's something missing there. One
of the big things that the criticism he held the
(02:15):
ball too long. Now, remember he didn't have a good
offensive line for the most part in college. How do
we know One he took a lot of sacks, but
two he made sure to tell us as such. I
don't profess to be a quarterback guru. I've seen all
the highlights, have seen every play he played, and in
no way did he play well. He accumulated five sacks
(02:36):
and the main reason, for the most part, was he
held the ball. He probably held the ball because he
didn't see it, might have been confused. He's just a rookie.
It's not the end of the world. But if you
factor in all of these things, didn't play well in
two of the outings, right, he didn't. He didn't play
(02:58):
well in the outing. There's always been concerns about him
holding the football too long. And if you're holding it
too long, are you holding it too long to make
the hero player? You're holding it too long because you're
not seeing it and identifying it and getting rid of
the football. And then you factor in what everyone in
(03:22):
the league said about his attitude and preparing for the draft.
While he has said some things which there's an appearance
of some humbling, let's not act like he's been humbled.
He shows up with his little mine entourage, people filming
him everywhere. And then you factor in that if you
(03:43):
don't play him the right amount of STAPs, with the
right surrounding personnel, well, now you're trying to undercut his
chances of making the team. Where do I sign up
for this dream scenario in which I get Shador standards
and I get all this baggage for a guy who,
though talented, not the perfect player. Tom Telesco is going
(04:07):
to join us later on the show. I'll never forget
a conversation he and I had they needed a backup
quarterback with the Chargers, and I was like, I asked,
this is in the early Kaepernick years, early Kaepernick out
of the NFL years, and his response was, I'd never forget.
I'd be a hero if I signed him. But you
(04:29):
become powerless towards releasing him if he's not good enough
or he's not a good backup quarterback. It doesn't want
to be a backup quarterback. At the time, they had
Philip Rivers, So I'm gonna pass. He doesn't want to
be a backup, and people who support him think that
if he is a backup, if he's not playing, it's
because of something other than football. You tell me which
(04:51):
part of this dream everyone else in the NFL wants
to sign up for. Here's tjo's Benzada on shann In
Sharp show. Why do you think the Browns played it
the way they did?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And and and you door and Shador's performance today.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
From a from my assessment, y'all, they don't want to controversy.
That's how I look. They don't want to count because
we know what Flaco can do. Why why is Flacco
start the game? We know what he can do. He
let y'all to the playoffs the last time, y'all let
him play. So, if you're trying to figure out who
you gonna play in case Flacco gets hurt, Dylan Gabriel,
(05:33):
you let them split the game. Snoop is Snooper Helley Tyler,
Hunty's getting cut tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
You let them.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
You let them battle without And so to me, it
was like, Wow, you you put him in with guys.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That's gonna be on the street tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
They all getting cut shat and everybody should do play
with you know that tomorrow on Monday. And so you
didn't get this man a fighting chance to compete. He
went into a gunfight with two knives. He gonna lose
that every time.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Okay, and most of those offense lemon have been cut.
I don't know about the lineman playing previous to that. Okay,
he got to play with guys that stuck on the
team during his first outing because the other guys are hurt.
Stup Huntley, by the way, and I know there was
defensive penalties. Did he come in and lead them to
a game winning field goal that did happen, right, So
it is possible. Here's what I would like. Here's what
(06:25):
I would really like. I've told this to other people,
told this to parents when I coached AAU basketball I've
told it to people who now I have two seats
that are right next to me that are not not
on my bench. As a donor who actually went with
us to the Cubs game, Shannon who owns a roofing company.
(06:46):
He's a brilliant dude, and he sits there and he's
the only guy who knows why I'm taking somebody out. Hey,
whush did you happen to mention? He was awful? Awful?
His body language was worse. You show me the young
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starting quarterback, the one who comes from an NFL family,
the one who had his number retired after playing two
years at a school. You show me the guy who
has that bad abide language when he's not playing well.
You can say whatever you want about the offensive line.
It wasn't made better by Shador Sanders, Okay continuing to
(07:31):
drop back and not step up into the pocket and
deliver the football. He just held it and held it
and held it. He's not a great athlete and he's holding,
back pedaling, and it was bad. You're allowed to take
people out. You're allowed, especially with young players that you're
gonna keep, to take him out and go, hey, dude,
this wasn't good. Take a breath and watch. That's a veteran,
(07:53):
same offensive line, same game plan. Let's see what he does,
see how he controls it. That's called coaching. And what
irritates the crap out of every coach and most people
in sports is when something that has nothing to do
with coaching gets thrust in front of you. You don't
have to blame. You don't have to split the minutes,
you don't have to split the reps. And by the way,
(08:16):
I'm not a quarterback guru. I don't know. I can
tell you that I did watch. I watched every step.
Dylan Gabriel was remarkably better, and I've never been a
Dylan Gabriel guy. I do think he has a fairly
low ceiling because he doesn't have a big arm. He
is little. But you know what, played really well in
both of his preseason appearances, So why would they set
(08:42):
him up to fail? Like, No, do I think that
that Stefanski loves the set up. I'm sure he hates it.
I'm sure it's like the rest of us. We roll
our eyes and it's ridiculous. And you have these sick
of fans, like, how do we get to this place
where Shador Sanders is now calling Kaepernick? I don't know,
(09:03):
like explain, you know? He son of a pro, went
to private schools, had private training, had his dad as
his coach, was arrogant, and treated a lot of people
who played with him or around them poorly. Despite that,
he had some success, mostly at Jackson State, some at Colorado.
(09:26):
Goes to the draft and rubs everybody the wrong way
with his pre draft attitude and his willingness to show
complete disdain for teams he didn't want to play with,
and the teams that he did want to play for
didn't want him. So he follows to the fifth round
of the draft. You're in the National Football League also
known as NFL. Not for long, and there's modest change
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at times in his persona. Then he plays poorly. Right again,
all you have to ask Shannon, and again Shanon just
ask him did he play well? Forget about the players
around him. Did he play well? And if he says
he didn't, have a chance. That's fine. I've watched those
videos of those sacks. He stepped back instead of up
(10:12):
into the pocket. He could take a knee, he could
dirt a ball, he could throw to his hot he
chose not to do so, Like, stop making it about something,
it's not that it's about. Here's Kevin Stefanski when asked
about that after the game.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Obviously, I don't concern myself with outside type of things.
But you know, I'm committed to his development, just like
all of our rookies. So we'll continue to focus on
getting our guys better, and that's what We'll stay committed
to him. That's what's important to me.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I mean, I yeah, I think you cut him. You
cut him unless the owner says you cannot do it.
And I know they haven't done it yet. I just
I think you and the fact that they haven't cut him,
by the way, is the greatest sign of their actual
(11:07):
belief in him as a player. Because if I'm coaching
there and you're like, okay, he's my at best, my
third third best quarterback right now. Okay, So I'm going
to get pressure from fanboys that don't watch or care
or whatever. I'll get some social media pressure. I'll get
some media pressure to talk about him, to play him
(11:29):
to whatever. When he's at best third on the depth chart. Okay,
best third in the depth chart. And if you do
play him now, you can't really ever replace him. Think
about it. You put him in there and he played
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like crap. And the takeaway for some people is you
made him play like crap. Imagine if he goes into
an actual Browns game, if he plays well, people will
go crazy. If he plays poorly, people will go crazy,
but they're not gonna blame him. I don't know how
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we got there. I don't I don't understand. Like it's
if it was about race, then why they just cut
Snoop Huntley, Like nobody mentioned snow Puntley's black, by the way,
way more experienced they cut him. Yeah, I'd love this.
(12:31):
I'd love at some point, Jay Sue, maybe next year
when you come to one of our games, you can
track why I take certain players out. I do that
with their parents all the time. I had one of
my kids who left the dad's like, why you took
him out for this? You took him out for that?
I was like, WHOA, No, I didn't no, I didn't
you took him out of a mistake, like no, no, no, no, nope, nope.
(12:57):
Didn't take guy out for one mistake. The mistake you
saw that you recognized. That's one. But there was probably
a bunch of coaching on things you were supposed to
do that you didn't do. It didn't do well. You
took him out because he missed a shot, And I'm like, no,
I didn't. He took a bad shot and he didn't
get back on defense, and he didn't talk, and he
picked up the wrong guy. Then he didn't box out,
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then he didn't get out and run, and then he
turned the ball over and then you know, it's like
you see one, I see a bunch of things. So
I would the one piece of advice I could give
to Kevin Stefanski is you can't show people video and
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say what here, this is what we're really looking at.
There is a way, and we use an analytics company.
And one of the reasons, the best reason for using
this analytics company called HCI, is that it it takes
away the need for confrontational arguments. You know, a parent
has an opinion about a kid and you're like, he's
just not very good defensively, and you show me where
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all you have to do is do the print out
and there's something called defensive leverage. He has the worst
defensive leverage on the team. Well, what's that mean? That
means that we are at our worst defensively when your
son is on the floor. That's why he's not gonna play.
I'm sure there's Samana legal data to back it up.
Show it to them. But if you ever want to
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know why or Sanders, if and when gets cut by
the Browns will be hard to sign this week, this
week will be your reason, these couple days of a reason.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
This is the best of the Don dot Leab Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's the Doug gott Lieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
This is the only show that brings you guys that
actually truly know what they're talking about. Other shows do,
but we make sure we have the most reputable people,
especially in football. No one better than Tom Telesco eleven
years GM with the Chargers, San Diego and LA and
of course last year with the Las Vegas Raiders kind
(15:01):
of to spend some time with us every week here
on the show. Okay, first, let me just get to
the actual performance in the game. We did get the
chance to see Flacco look good. Dylan Gabriel came in,
Chador struggled. We saw Snoop Huntley before he got before
he got released. What was your assessment of how the
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two rookie quarterbacks for the Browns play.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Well? I agree with you. Dylan Gabriel looked looked good
for the second game in the row. He just he
can move the team. He makes quick decisions, he gets
the ball out of his hand quickly. He's got a
pretty good zip for for a smaller quarterback. He's got
good arm strength, which you don't see all the time
with a smaller quarterback. But he looked similar to what
he looked in college, and that was a positive. And Shador,
(15:47):
you know, didn't have his best day. He played much
better that the two games before. You know, he struggled
there and and I can see I think part of
this developmental process with him was not putting him out
there for that two minutes trial just because some of
the body language coming off the field after two tough
series just wasn't what you'd expect. You don't want your
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quarterback to just walk off the field with his head
down there there's there's gonna be adversity, you know, down
to down series the series. You have to handle that
as a quarterback. So on the outset, looking in, I
was wondering if this was Kevin Stephanis saying, Hey, look
this this is a teaching moment for you as far
as how you handle the lows on the field. And
we're gonna let Snoop take this last drive. But I
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think you can tell by the way it lined up, obviously,
I Flacko was the starter. Dylan Gabriel. He was drafted
above should or for a reason. They must have had
him ranked higher, and he didn't show anything in the
preseason that would lead you to believe that he would
drop in the Dutch charts. You're looking at him as
the two. I guess is a three? Can you take
us the wildcard? I don't know how he sits in
there right now because he just didn't play a lot
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in the preseason. Is either two is either three? Is
someone they would move That remains to be seen before Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I want to make sure I stayed I am not
putting it out there. I'll tell you my own feelings
in a second. I have seen other people and now
there are more former players than anything saying Stefanski is
basically sabotaging shadoor right put him out there with Lineman
(17:21):
he was going to cut and didn't let him be
the hero and play the two minute row, which every
quarterback dreams of. Is there any scenario where that's a possibility.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Maybe great for sports talk radio, but not in reality. No,
that's not, absolutely not. I mean he's first of all,
he's a very good head coach that has a good
track record on the offensive side of the ball. He
knows what he's looking at. He's off in a situation
where he has four quarterbacks he's trying to get a
really good look at and I know he don't need
as much a look at Joe Flacco. You still want
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to make sure you know where he is performance level is.
So he had a tough challenge going into training camp
to get four quarterbacks enough reps, not like to show
what they can do, but to help them develop. So
he knows what he's doing. And yeah, no, he's not
out there sabotaging anything. It's just you only get so
many series. And I do think he's just trying to
teach these guys and he had a rough, had a
(18:18):
rough couple of series there, he has a great series.
You know, in the first preseason game. You're going to
have up and downs as a rookie quarterback. That's just
part of life and part of life and professional football
is learning how to deal with that, because when you're
the quarterback, not only does everybody not the fans and
media looking at you, your teammates are looking at you.
So you know, just you don't want to see your
quarterback just walking off the field after a series or
(18:40):
walking off with his head down. That I think it
was more a teaching moment than anything else.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Does all of this noise surrounding should Doure does. Does
this make it if the Browns thing doesn't work? Does
it make it less likely somebody else picks them up?
Speaker 5 (19:01):
That's a good point, just because I wanted to say no.
But then you know, he was also drafted in the
fifth round. I think some of that was just due
to the noise people were worried about coming in. But
the bottom line is he has starter talent in the NFL.
Is he ready for prime time? Probably not ready quite yet,
but he has starter talent. He's got good enough farm
(19:21):
strength he's got good feel in the pocket that I
get to time more on the inconsistent level, but he
can feel a rush, you can get the ball out
of his hands, and he's relatively accurate. So he has
some skills there. He's said a lot of a lot
of staffs in college football, but he has to adapt
to the NFL game. It's going to take some time.
(19:41):
Certainly somebody would give an opportunity somewhere else. How many
teams would, I'm not sure, just because what I said, like,
he was drafted in the fifth round when really his
talent level said he should have gone higher. So they're
probably some teams that may be scirted off by that,
But I think the smarter teams see a potential, you know,
potential starter down the road. Maybe not right now, but
down the road. It is something you have to take
a look at.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Is Anthony Richardson done in Indy.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
Well, I mean he's had plenty of opportunities there. They
say he's not, and I do believe them. They've been
loyal to their players, they've been loyal to him and
given them opportunities. But he may be a situation that
other first round pick quarterbacks have fallen into just like
Daniel Jones with the Giants, he may knee a change
of scenery. That's never a bad thing, and that could
(20:30):
come up. And if you look how Daniel Jones handed
his process, he handle it really well. He was released
during the season from the Giants. It just didn't work out.
You know, a lot of options at that point, including me.
I was trying to sign on to come to the
active roster with the Raiders so he'd give us another
option as a starting quarterback. And he decided to sign
on the practice squad with the Vikings to kind of rehabilitate,
(20:51):
learn a little bit from Kevin O'Connell, kind of get
his kind of settle his career down a little bit,
and then be a free agent at the end of
the year and pick where to go to go compete
for a job. He picked the right spot, wins the Colts,
competed for a job and won the job. So Richardson
could be in that same boat eventually. But I do
believe and when they say that he'll get another opportunity there.
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He's got a lot of talent. His ceiling's really high.
It's just the consistency level, it's just really low. Right now,
and it's no different than what he showed in college.
There were high, very high high and low lows, and
you're seeing the same thing at this level. And there
are also injuries at the college levels, so you're seeing
a lot of the same things. But I think you'll
get another opportunity there to show what he can do,
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and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes this year.
With Daniel Jones, we don't know how he's going to play.
He's gonna be the Daniel Jones of Gables first year
or the last couple of years. He's also had some injuries,
so there's a good chance at some point Richardson plays again.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom Telesco. Of course, longtime Joe manager of
the La Chargers last year jail manager of the Law
Vegas Raiders. Uh, Terry McLaurin that deal finally gets done.
Was there anything numbers wise that was so alarming that
(22:11):
it should have taken this log.
Speaker 5 (22:14):
I guess we'll find out down the road. I mean,
up to ninety six million. It could mean a lot
of different things, So we'll see when the numbers come in.
My guess is when it's all said and done, he'll
be right in that top ten range, not necessarily the
top five, but top ten, which I think is a
good spot. You'll get a nice deserved raise. Was it
worth to hold in I don't know. I don't know
(22:34):
how the negotiations were back and forth, but he's gets
a pretty good raise and he's got two weeks to
get ready to play. That's the only thing I'm concerned
about as a receiver, and because he didn't have a
full off season program he was rehabbing an ankle injury
and then no training camp. Receivers obviously the high volume
running position, and you know how many stats will he
(22:56):
be able to play opening day? I mean, certainly in
conditioning shape. Is just a difference between conditioning shape and
football shape. But really glad it got done. This was
the point where in the same thing with the Hendrickson deal,
it needs to get done now to get ready for
opening day. But there's some deadlines coming up the kind
and they kind of spur that. But I think the
numbers are kind of come in where we expected, whichuld
(23:17):
be right around at top ten.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Toms. Let's go our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio, what do you do with
Micah Parsons? Like, it's one thing to ask to be
traded and go through all this sort of thing like
laying down on the massage table during a game, just
generally acting like an ass right, Like, what what do
you do there? If you're in charge of the Cowboys?
(23:42):
How do you how do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
This is this is real theater, you know, from the
outside looking, and it's totally different than the McLaurin and
Hendrickson holdout. Yeah, the laying on the table not the
look you're looking for. Whether you're laying on the table
for thirty seconds or thirty minutes, it's just not the
look you're looking for. First off, They're just you have
to have communication between yourself and the agent. And I
(24:05):
just think in this situation until the agent is part
of the process, I just don't see the deal getting done.
And I know every team does it different ways. I
know the Cowboys have done in different ways, But in
this situation, until there's direct communications and negotiation with with
the agent, I just don't see anything getting done. Now,
the big thing is we move into that cut the
(24:26):
fifty three and get ready for opening day. You know,
if you're holding out and you're not there and you
don't play in the game, obviously you wouldn't make your
your base salaries for that week. But if you're holding in,
you're on the active roster, and if you don't play
in the game, then the club would still owe you
and his you know, for him, it'd be over a
million dollars one point three million dollars for that game.
(24:49):
I see no way the Cowboys are going to pay
one point three million to not play in the game.
So something has to break here, whether it's to get
the deal done or it's there's conduct detrimental for refusing
to play, and then you can either you can find
the player, you can suspend him. Something's going to have
to happen because he's on the active roster. He's due
to be paid week one right now, even though he's
(25:10):
not going to play. So I'd be shocked in the
next seven days if there wasn't some movement one way
or another. But it has to start with communication on
both sides, and you know, more so on the Cowboys side.
It sounds like, well.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Stut Gottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. How far
away is Jackson dart.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
Well, I'm a big Jackson Dark fan from the draft
and then watching the preseason that I haven't changed my mind.
So yeah, I think he could go in and play
right now at what level he would take some lumps.
I mean just it's natural as a rookie quarterback. But
I think he could play right now. But it's also
not a bad thing that he sits and waits. I
(25:51):
mean it's different for every quarterback. It's different for every situation.
I think Brian Gaebeles definitely he's going to pick the
quarterback they can that he feels right now has to
give them the best chance to win opening Day. He
feels like, right now it's Russell Wilson. But I think
at the time comes, whether it's September, October, November, December,
I think Jack's won't be ready to go. I'm ready
to play.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Matt Stafford starting to like how do you handle that
where you just you have no idea. I mean, I
guess you got Garoppolo, who's you led a team to
a super Bowl, But how do you handle that in
terms of how much you invest in Stafford in real time?
Like obviously I'm not talking contractually, but what what how
(26:36):
do you how do you handle the Stafford thinking for
the Rams.
Speaker 5 (26:40):
Well, it's literally going to be day by day, and
it sounds like it's getting better day by day. But
as a lot of us know, with back injuries and that,
and if it has effected your nerves, you know, sometimes
the rehab process and the strength it comes very slowly,
and so they have to kind of gradually start moving
(27:01):
them in. But you have to also have a plan
B with with Garoppolo in case Stafford is not ready
to play. So probably in practice with your ones, probably
the backup quarterback Garoppolo in this case, you'll probably take
more snaps than he usually would to get him ready
in case he has to play, which is completely fine
because Stafford probably you probably don't want to have him
(27:22):
take every snap right now in practice. So they've got
thirteen fourteen days ago before opening day, still have some time.
But essentially, if you're the coach, you know you really
have to get two quarterbacks ready to play since just
you know, back range back injuries are unpredictable. I know
he has missed, he hasn't missed very much time in
his career, but he's had back injuries in the past,
and you know, the older you get, it doesn't get better,
(27:44):
So don't have a plan for both. But in practice
you're certainly going to work. Both quarterbacks are good amount.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
He's the one and only Tom Telesco. Of course, what
does he know. He's only been in professional football his
entire professional life and been a gentle manager for twelve
years in the Nation Football League. Last thing, Tommy, do
you like this system where it's basically like one big
cutdown or did you like the old system better?
Speaker 5 (28:14):
So? I like this better because gives every player a
chance to compete for a job. The only hard part
about it was just administratively releasing thirty seven players over
a day or two. It's just a lot of work
because you want to spend enough time with each player
on his way out, just as a courtesy, just talk
to him about what he did about career options moving forward,
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that sort of things. You want to make sure you
take the right time the head coach to position coaches,
So there's a lot of time involved. But I like
the one cut because because everybody get a chance to
show what they can do for the certainly for the
third preseason game. You have a really good chance to
play your young guys. If you're a team that doesn't
want to play their starters. It gives you enough players
to play the third preseason game and give every player,
(29:00):
say college for agents that when you sign a MAC
for the draft. Part of the recruiting process is we're
gonna give you the whole offseason program. We're gonna give
you all training camp in three preseason games to show
us what you can do. And guys need that, and
so I like this. It's just administratively, we're a two
day span. It's just a lot of players to let
go of. Now you know, roughly half will come back
(29:21):
on practice squads. Sure, but no, it's a process. It's
not fun really from players obviously, but the process itself
of building that initial fifty three is a very enjoyable process.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
He's time to LESCo. He's built the original fifty three
as the gentleman, as a gentlemenasuer for twelve twelve different years.
And just love having you, love soaking up that knowledge. Tom,
Thanks so much for joining us. We'll talk next week.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
All right, sounds good, Thank you.
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Telesco's going to join us former Gentlem manager Raiders Chargers.
We'll ask him what he thinks of the Browns quarterback situation. Also,
we get an update on where we are with the
Micah Parsons contract negotiation. We got the press I'm coming
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and you know you could download, subscribe, rate and listen
to your boy wherever you go. We do this every Monday.
It's a great way of kind of getting different points
of view of the sports weekend. We call it love
and hate.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
God?
Speaker 4 (30:59):
I love you?
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
These player haters.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Love love, love, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate hate hate. Okay,
it's these. Let's start with you, Monsie. You're the uh
you love lots of stuff. Tell me what you love
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most of the weekend.
Speaker 6 (31:28):
All right, there's actually a few things, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna have to mention it one more time. I
know we've talked about it, but.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
I really really loved that cal Rawley was able to
have a successful second half of the season after participating
in the Home Run Derby, not just because it is
exciting when records are broken, like that's what we want,
just so people feel like, hey.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
There's always an opportunity that we can see history. Right,
But in other sports we've seen, like the All Star
Game and other sports kind of like continue to fall
and continue to produce a terrible product. And I feel
like baseball still has a fun home run derby, a
good you know, all Star game that people participate in,
but the Home Run Derby a lot of players are
(32:11):
afraid to participate because we have seen the downfall in
the second half. So aside from records being broken, aside
from seeing cal Raley do what a lot of people
didn't think, Like Jason, it's nice because now I'm hoping
other big players, other big stars in baseball that have
not participated in the home run derby when they're hot,
that they actually do it, that they're not afraid of it.
(32:34):
Because if a catcher can do it, a full time
catcher that is out there putting in the work with
those legs up and down, squatting constantly, and Jason mentioned it,
it's not even that many games as a as a
designated hitter. Like now, there's really gonna be less excuses
when we come around for this next you know, home
run derby. That's what I really loved about the weekend.
(32:55):
I'm excited for cal Raley and you know what, he's
not even done. I wonder what the final number is
going to be. And that's gonna be another time where
I bring this back up. So until then, go cal Raley,
big dumper, big, big dumper, big.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
What's the name of the what's the name of that
that country artist that you like, is it Morgan something Morgan.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
From Morgan Waller, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:21):
To walk this weekend. Kyle Rawley to me, will always
sound like a guy who opened for Morgan Walling.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
You know, I will say, Also, big Dumper is the
best name that a baby can have on the back
of a Onesie like you know, if you give him
like a cal Raleigh like Onesie says big dump, that's
that's the best.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Sorry, it's good.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
It is good. Good, Okay, Chase.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. I love
the fact that Monsey brought up guys that are reluctant
to do the home run derby because my love today
has to do with show Hey Otani, who was never
participated home run derby. I don't think you should. I
don't think you should. And yesterday was amazing. So I
guess a heckler was wearing them out right next to
(34:15):
the Dodger dugout. And what do you do with a
heckler that's been wearing you out for nine innings? Well,
you hit a home run in the ninth to cap
an eight to two win over your nemesis and then
show hey as opposed to most big leaguers who ignore
the hecklers. And they walked to the dugout show. Hey
(34:35):
went over and gave him a high five. And that's
what you do to hecklers. You hit a home run,
you shove it in his face, and then you give
them a high five. Something maybe Jose Al two they
should have done when a certain heckler did this in
a ballgame recently. Is that what.
Speaker 9 (34:52):
Twenty seven stands for the number of pitches you saw
coming to the TeV twenty seventeen postseason?
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Ah?
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Is that what twenty seven stamps for?
Speaker 8 (35:04):
Answer me, Doug, You said this that that wasn't too wordy, right?
It was very concise?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Yes, it was. It was sharpest, concisest to the point.
I mean, I think everybody applauded your ability there to
talk trash in a super uncomfortable way. Yes, classic, Ryan,
What do you got wou'd you left for the weekend?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
I love train wrecks, Doug, especially when they're self inflicted.
This Browns quarterback situation is hilarious to me. Four quarterbacks
on your roster. There was no reason for them to
draft Sanders. They're not gonna cut them. They're not gonna
cut them, I don't think so. And they're really gonna
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go into the season with four quarterbacks and it's just
gonna be a circus. The Browns just do this to
themselves every single year. They are just a bunch of idiots.
And I'm here for the whole car wreck.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I love it.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
That's what I love.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
I'm with the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's it's a lot, there's a lot going on there.
I'll tell you what I love. From the weekend, we
had an Elite camp, and you know, you use the
Elite camp you really want to show guys, your campus,
your coaching staff, how you do things. And it gave
us a chance to evaluate some of the younger players
in the state, especially I just there is a portion
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of the sport of college sports which is very much professionalized,
and it's about who can get me the most money?
How do I get the most money, and then go
find somewhere else I can go get the most money.
And that's again apparently okay by people. There's still something
special about offering a kid a scholarship and have it
(36:56):
be meaningful to him. And I did that yesterday to
two young guys and it's not for twenty twenty six,
and it just still feels good. It still feels good
and It still feels bad to not offer a scholarship
somebody who you know wants to come and is close,
but like you not actually helped me get to You're
not ready to help me get to the destination we need.
(37:18):
But still feels really really good. There still is the
kind of organic Hey, I've always wanted to play at
this place. Forget about money. I just love that part
of the weekend.
Speaker 8 (37:28):
This is a I mean, that was an amazingly touching story.
So I don't want to downplay that, but I was
kind of hoping you would Your love today would be
what you did after that count, which was what I thought.
I saw you and Dan Byer on a course we
play golf.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Oh I forgot that. Dan posted that. Yeah, so I
felt bad. So Dan's out there. So Dan's mom lives
like hour and forty minutes from from my country club,
right hour and forty minutes. So he he's like, hey,
you want to play. It's like, yeah, I'm done with camp.
I don't know three. Then I got to talk to parents,
probably done at four. So it was periodically downpouring, and
(38:09):
I'm like, well, there's no way Dan's gonna be years,
Like no, but still here. So it's like, all right, well,
let's see if we can sneak in nine. We went
out there and I mean we had the whole course
to ourselves. It was it. It's gonna warm back up
this weekend. But it was fall. It was beautiful. We
saw ten deer and two other golfers and he played
really well. I played decently well. It was fun. So yeah,
(38:31):
that was That was a good part too, Ryan, what'd
you get.
Speaker 8 (38:38):
Already? Went Doug.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Oh, I'm sorry. Let's get to what we hated from
the weekend. We hated from the weekend with a resident hater,
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 8 (38:50):
Yes, that is me. Let's see what's tid I hate
from the weekend. I hadn't locked and loaded. What was
my hate? Do you remember?
Speaker 9 (39:03):
I'm not Charles Xavier. I can't read your mind.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
Yeah. Sorry, there was something that Joy Taylor said over
the weekend that did want to mention, and I just
think that there's like, you know, five years ago, everybody
lost their mind, right in twenty twenty, and then all
of a sudden we found out that on air what
everybody's politics was, and it was accepted and no one
(39:26):
thought twice about it, and then it came and gone,
and it doesn't get enough attention for how unsightly it was.
But you know, Joy was very much a part of
the liberal left and wokeness. And you know, every margin
wise group in the country needs to be spoken for,
especially people with privileged need to step up and say
(39:49):
this margin wise group, it's how they look, has nothing
to do with them, It's not their fault. And then
she goes on Cam Newton's podcast and calls Jason Whitlock
fat says that she's surprised as it is still alive
and that a coronary hasn't happened yet. I thought that
was a bit hypocritical, you think.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Plus, can you imagine if we said anything about her
appearance or any woman's appearance, how that would go over.
We would go not well, I have to say this,
and I'll go more into it in the pod. But Moncey,
I mean, I think she's done a lot of damage
to women in broadcasting here. She had high profile spots.
(40:30):
I'm not even going to get into the you know,
off Mike, what happened in the you know, the lawsuit stuff.
Wish she has not come out and denied. I don't
know enough about it. All I can tell you is
that that's not great for the perception of women in
the in the industry. And then, and here's the thing, Mancy,
(40:54):
you would be honest and like you're learning all the
time about sports, right, yeah?
Speaker 6 (41:00):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Okay, if you every weekend went on like a went
went to some different resort and posted pictures and then
Monday came back and wanted to speak on authority about
every sport that was played over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (41:19):
Yeah, you're saying mixed messages, right, correct, Yeah, you're saying
and I totally understand that, and I agree with a
lot of what you're saying. I just it's unfortunate because
it does put a negative light. It does, And I
think it was more that I think she realized that
maybe she had other avenues of success that she could
dip her toe in, and it did become like a
(41:41):
mixed message like am I am I supposed to go
to you for sports or are you now going to
be you know, a social media And there's nothing wrong
with that, But I just feel like she was just
kind of like trying to do a little bit too
much maybe and then getting mad when she didn't get
the respect that she thought she demanded correct.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
So that's the part. The part is when you when
you chastise others, yeah, or not treating your opinions with
a proper amount of respect, and yet you clearly don't.
I actually think she's really smart. She knew she used
the sports to get in and she wanted to do
other stuff. Yeah, okay, fine, but don't like chastise us
(42:22):
for people who not me, you know, people in the
media or whatever, fans who don't take your opinion seriously.
Not because you're a woman. I'm sure there are some
that's because you're a woman, but there's a greater portion
of like, hey, you know, you're putting out there on
social media. It's not like it's a private account, and
you're literally never here, never going to sporting events, you know,
except when it's your nephew. Like that's it.
Speaker 8 (42:44):
Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Does damage MANSI what you do? What did you hate
for the weekend?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (42:50):
Let me tell you I hate is a strong word,
but very annoyed on the verge of hate. Let's say
that I am just Lebron James is in this middle
of like the NB season is starting in two months.
I don't know if he's talked to DeAndre Ayton, Marcus Smart,
has he congratulated Luka doncic. I don't know, but we
know that things are weird there. And this guy thinks
(43:11):
that we're just gonna see his tweets about golf and
forget the situation. Now, all of a sudden, you like
golf and you want to say Tommy fleet his tweet.
He doesn't tweet about anything. And if yesterday like five
tweets about golf, and you're just like, why are you?
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Who are you to now all.
Speaker 6 (43:28):
Of a sudden think we're gonna go to you for
golf or pretend you're he's he's pretending, and I'm just
so over it. I'm just so over it.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
You don't like him?
Speaker 6 (43:39):
Sometimes you just don't. Yeah, it's like, what do you, Lebron?
Go on, man, don't say anything at all. Don't say
anything at all?
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Here you are? You don't want us to talk about you?
Speaker 6 (43:50):
Oh, let me tweet about Tommy Fleetwood. Shut up, Lebron?
Speaker 9 (43:55):
Such a hang?
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Okay, what about you there? Ryan? When he got.
Speaker 9 (44:02):
I hate it when people are giving a chance and
they blow the opportunity. Shiloh Sanders, what the hell were
you thinking, man, the final preseason game and you punch somebody. Dude,
you're undrafted, They're gonna cut you. Like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Man? That wasn't the worst part. Though. That wasn't the
worst part. The worst part was, uh, it was it.
Jordan Schultz was like, how can you throw him out
for this? This is ridiculous? Like, hey, Jordan, it's a
rule punch in the NFL. You get ejected and he
did it right in front of an official.
Speaker 9 (44:40):
Yes, personally, I think they should let them fight. They
have pads on in a helmet. You're not gonna hurt anybody.
The only person that's gonna get hurt is the person's
who's throwing the punch. But whatever, Shilo Sanders man, like
you ticked me off over the weekend.
Speaker 8 (44:53):
Don't only have to give credit to the guy that
he punched. I have no idea who this guy is.
Speaker 6 (44:58):
I'm going saying instigated him pushing him? Yeah, yeah, this
receiver though, no, this this seemed like the play was
over and he was still bothering him.
Speaker 8 (45:05):
In the moment he turns back and calls for the
penalty from the from the refs gets gets the onslaught
of flags and then goes right to the too short
gesture right right away. I thought it was brilliant. It
was actually a really good rub it in gesture. And
then I'm.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
With I'm with Ja Jase too. It was a very
good rub it in.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
It was taunting, which was not called by the way.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
I didn't like how the weekend. I mean, like I
I hated how the weekend went for college football completely
according to plan. And I think, like I watched Fresno
State and I have friends that are in the cal
State system. For people don't know, the UC system is
U C.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
L A.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Berkeley. For the cal State system, there's San Diego State,
Long Beach State, Fresno State, cal State, Santis Laws, Fullerton
which is not Fullerton State.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
It's Stanislaus. What a deep poll cal State Stanislaus won, Yes.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
But Fresnoe went and played Kansas. Kansas is not the
most invested in school. They put a bunch of money
into the new David Booth Football whatever Oriial Stadium, and it's beautiful,
but they're they're they're trying to compete in the Big Twelve,
which is a higher level than Fresno, and Fresno has
no money, and that's what it looked like. And I
think that's what a lot of these non conference games
(46:32):
are going to look like. The big boys have so
much more money that it's not competitive and I hate it.
I hate it, But it's not that I hate Kansas winning.
It's just it wasn't really a competitive football game. And
that's love and hate.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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