August 26, 2025 • 41 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug talks about the Browns decision to trade Kenny Pickett to the Raiders, making things more clear on their depth chart at the quarterback position.
Doug and the crew react to the possibility that FOX Sports might not be on YouTubeTV in time for football season.
Doug weighs in on the Trey Hendrickson pay bump. Doug welcomes baseball greats Ken Griffey Jr. and Ken Griffey St. onto the show to talk about their careers and to share an important message.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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together on this joyd It's great, man, We're happy to
have you. Just are Okay, Let's let's get after it.
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You know, I think we have a little bit of
clarity on the Brown situation. I'm not sure the path
to where they got to makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's like we didn't really get a chance to dig
in on what Kenny Pickett is. I'm not sure I
understand why they signed Kenny Pickett. If we're gonna go
with no one got a real shot, it'd be Kenny Pickett.
But regardless, Kenny Pickett is now a backup for the Raiders,
and the Browns have clarity. The clarity is that Joe
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Flacco is a Super Bowl champion quarterback, granted long in
the tooth, is gonna be the starter, and then at
some point in time, my guess is both Dylan Gabriel
and Shador Sanders will get an opportunity. I think the
issue is that while there is clarity, there's still a
ton of noise as to the order of and the
fairness of who gets what, when, where, why, how. But
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despite that, I actually kind of get what theros seem
to be trying to do. They know they're not great,
they might not even be good. Flacco gives them a
chance to be just solid at quarterback. He's taken them
to the playoffs before no reason. Remember, they still have
Deshaun Watson under contract for a couple more years now,
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likely won't play this year coming off to achilles injuries,
but still there they're trying to find They're actually sort
of going through the process of trying to find a
quarterback in one of the two ways in which teams
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have been really successful when they haven't had an elite
quarterback they draft those two ways are somebody else's former quarterback.
You know, obviously this is not the financial level to
a Baker Mayfield, a Sam Darnold, a Gino Smith, but
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it's still the same idea a guy who has and
no one has seen it or done it more or
at a higher level than Flacco of those guys. Rams
have Garoppolo as their stopgap. Finding a guy who has
experience and some success in the league at a discount
rate is a value. And then the other type of
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real value quarterback is a young quarterback who's a third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round guy or maybe even mister irrelevant, who you
actually are not allowed to pay them big money until
like their fourth or fifth year. That's what the Niners did. Now.
I don't know if this is where they wanted to
get to. My guess is this is a stopgap year.
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Next year with two first round draft picks, they want
to be drafting a quarterback in the first round, That's
my guess. But in the meantime, you take a swing
at a Flaco and you see what he can do,
and if not, you take a swing at some of
these young guys and see what they can do, but
you have I have to be willing to know this
is short term. I got to figure out something long term,
and generally a high first round draft pick it has
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a greater likelihood of success. It's really easy to be
critical of the Browns. It is I would love to
know the real reason that they circle back to drafting Shador.
My guess is the owner encouraged them to do it,
or even told them to do it, just just I'd
love to know the process. But you also have to
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take into context that much like when I go get
a haircut, I tell the barber, sorry, man, I'm not
giving you a blank canvas. Do the best you can
with what I got. And that's what they're doing in Cleveland.
Whatever you thought of the Deshaun Watson deal, that was
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mostly the owner and I'm not sure sure you could
have foreseen how disappointing his performance has been and the
two Achilles Tenant injuries. Right, Okay, So it's really easy
for us to say, hey, you know, why didn't they
just draft a guy, or hey, why didn't they do this,
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or hey, we don't realize they were they're cash strapped
and salary cast strapped at the position because Desaun Watson
is still under contract and they redid his deal in
the offseason. So if you still have Deshaun Watson there
and you only had first round pick and you have
two first round draft picks next year, you got Okay,
how do I get to next year? Will giving myself
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the best chance to succeed this year, and then also
maybe I find a young quarterback w I don't have
to pay anything to, who can man my ship for
the year for a couple of years, and maybe I
can trade that first round draft pick even Taiwan if
I find my guy. But I promise you this, if
you really are a Shador Sanders fan, say nothing, tweet nothing,
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act as if nothing has happened, nothing has changed, and
just wait. And if he's good enough and he performs
well enough, he'll be the guy for at the end
of the year and for years to come. And if
he's not, he won't. But the more discussion there is,
the more attitude there is, the more the calls for
him to play and fairness and people throwing out the
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idea that there's racism involved. All this craziness you see
online from from people who bring in some emotional bias
to some other event that doesn't matter to Kevin Stepancy.
He wants to win. And if he's not in a win,
if he doesn't believe he has a winning team, he's
got to have one that's positioned for the future. And
a rookie quarterback who's drafted outside the outside of the
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second round or in his case, outside of the top
four rounds, you're gonna be able to pay him nothing
and then build a team around him. I think that'd
be a great goal that that's, by the way, why
it's insane the people who say that Stefanski was trying
to sabotage Shador. He'd loves Shador to work out what
he can't do. And what I couldn't do, what coaches
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can't do, is you can't put up with all this
nonsense chatterover either he's good enough for he's not good enough.
That's it. And if you watched the last game, if
you thought he was better, he thought he was a
better quarterback then the other two that are ahead of him,
then you just carried in the bias of I'm a
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Shador fan. You didn't watch, doesn't mean they are better
than him. But Dylan Gabriel has played better than Shador
Sanders in his two preseis games, and Joe Flacco is
more accomplished, is better, was completely at peace and got
the reps that he needed. Got the reps all right.
Coming up with the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
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Sports Radio. I was looking at this earlier today. That's interesting.
We gotta we have we do have this. We got
King Graffy Junior and Senior, right, gonna join us a
little later on the show. Yeah, they're gonna join us
(08:13):
in fifteen minutes, King Griffy Junior and King Graffy Senior
together gonna join this in the show.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
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Speaker 1 (08:27):
What happens to Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. You
know you're in the Doug Gottlieb Show. We like to
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the agreement on August twenty seventh. August twenty seventh, that's
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tomorrow and tomorrow, by the way, like Oklahoma State plays tomorrow.
I think we know it's stay Tuesday. What day is today?
Got them? So today's Tuesday, so they play, So tomorrow
is the day, but the games start Thursday. So interesting timing, right,
interesting timing. Interesting. Here's the quote from you to TV.
(09:12):
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So remember Fox won't have NFL games until September seventh,
so they got some time. But the college games is
a really big part of the platform, especially you got
what Ohios Date Texas and Big Neon Kickoff that's Saturday
(09:56):
at noon. Fox doesn't have a big platform national NFL
game until Week two. That's when the Chiefs host the Eagles.
I'm sure it'll be done by then. This does feel
like every year on repeat. I'll take you back. You know,
we had Mark Shapiro on the show last week. Mark
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now runs the companies that own UFC and WWE. And
you know when Mark was at ESPN, they used to say,
you're not never allowed to say the word a la carte.
I was like, well, that's three words, can't say any
of them a la carte. And back then the cable
(10:37):
bundle was everything. ESPN had over one hundre million subscribers.
They're charging over six dollars a subscription. That's six billion
dollars made before any ad was sold. Those were the
glory days. Now they have in the sixties, they're charging
a little bit more. I think it's like eight dollars.
(10:58):
But you do the math. You can't overcome the law
that loss of subscribers and get you back to the
level of six billion or eight billion or whatever billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So we have these streaming companies and how many streaming services.
We joke with Ilo about how he bootlegs them. Jace,
do how many streaming companies do you employ?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Just all of them, all the majors, you know, I
don't know, Hulu and Netflix and Prime YouTube TV, all
the majors.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Really, Peacock, Copple TV, pea Couple, TV App, Peacock, Paramount.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
MGM plus Rare Amount plus HBO Max.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
No.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Our point we're getting at here is this is ridiculous.
This is ridiculous, Doug.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
No, I I know it is. I know it's ridiculous.
My question is you pay for all of those?
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I do?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, So what's your monthly TV cable bill?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I haven't looked recently, but I mean, just doing the
quick math in my head, maybe what two fifty three hundred?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's what I wanted to bring up because for the
average intensive sports fan, who let's say, for the average
Fox Sports radio listener, an intentional sports fan, is the
combined amount of all their subscriptions, How does that compare
with maybe what their cable bill was, say five years ago,
when it was a different landscape.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's gotta be higher, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
YouTube TV started in twenty seventeen. February of twenty seventeen,
it was thirty five dollars a month. It's now eighty
three dollars a month. WHOA, so I pay for YouTube TV?
I don't buy all the service, as I'm joking, but
if you buy YouTube TV, that's eighty three. I do Peacock,
which is now gonna be thirteen a month, so you know,
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you're almost at one hundred there, and then I do
let's say I do Amazon Prime, that's what's seventeen a month,
I do Peacock, and I do Netflix.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I will say this, Sam Lot, you do have to
change your password to something more complicated than go Hawkeyes
across the board.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Oh okay, I will, Isaac, but I'll let you know
when I change it so you can keep using my service.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna say a word that I
think you guys know, but it's a bad word in
TV streaming. Anybody have a friend with the jail breaker?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I actually have heard of that is that.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I don't know if it's always called a jailbreak. Everybody's
a different name for it. But there are these you
can buy these like little boxes connected to your TV
and literally get every channel, every streaming, every event, everything.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
That sounds like some early nineties technology, Like there is
somebody working in the cable industry and they're like, yeah,
hook you up, give me one hundred and fifty on
the side.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, you get it. You get everything. You get everything, everything,
everything and things you don't want. Well, we don't have
that worthing. But I don't have that. I'll tell you
what I have. I have YouTube TV. And I think
I I got YouTube TV because I needed like basic
you know, local channels, and then I went a red
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zone and had both and I was like, yeah, whatever,
and so yeah, it was like eighty five bucks. I
was like, well, that seems like a lot.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
But the internet you need. You need to pay for
the internet to power the YouTube TV. So it's well,
it's like one hundred and fifty well over hunt.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
H But then you convince yourself that, well I had
to have the internet anyway, right, so that's not really
a TV expense. But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
But with cable, it's like you have you know, it's bundled.
You have the cable, maybe you have internet, and then
the cable package that they give you is right there.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So yes, but all these shows you can't get unless
you stream.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I know.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
It's it's maddening, it really is. And then with this,
you know, I'm looking at the football schedule coming up
on Saturday, and you know, the Albany Great Danes are
going to Kinnick Stadium to play Iowa, And what game
is that channel on? It's on FS one. This happens
every year, just to and then it just depends on
the network everything. It's maddening.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's frustrating every single year.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
To be honest, it's been two years. Last year was
ESPN and this year's Fox.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
No. But I'm sure if we went back there was
a channel. It was probably NBC the year before that.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Right, it seems like it's one of the major networks
and it's come to a standoff. It's on it's at
a standoff with some streaming provider, some streaming platform.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I bet jay STU if you googled, you know, like
standoff or whatever. I I don't know how you would
google it, but that there was somebody there. This is
this is a yearly thing.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I think you're conflating DirecTV directory of the same thing.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Though.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Oh okay, okay, you're talking about YouTube.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, you're right, Okay, you're right if you if this
is just YouTube. My point is the standoff that that
that butts up to the beginning of football season and
sometimes costs us a chance to watch a game.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's the media equivalent of an NFL preseason holdout.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yes, that's exactly what it is. It's exactly what it is.
And it's like it's a lot, it's almost it's the
exact same thing. It's a hold in because you still
get your channels right now, and they're like, well, we're
gonna throw it off if you don't. And you know,
eventually they're gonna agree to a deal. Nobody just walks
from a deal.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Well, they get consumers involved. They turn one side, will
turn consumers. You know, it'll be like, uh, direct TV
customers call up your you know, tell them you want
ESPN and you it's like they they turn they turn
you on, you know, on the other side.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And this is what they do.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
They get people to complain on Twitter or or cancel
their service, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I think I think this would be this is one
where Fox may have a bit of the upper hand.
I don't know this, but I mean, can I I'm
gonna hypothesize for a second. Okay, why did jac why'd
you get YouTube TV?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Because at the time it was free, not free, but
at the time it was cheaper, much cheaper than cable
that's how they drew us all.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
One, right, and then what did you get as a
benefit to Like? What what do you watch on YouTube TV? Now?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
All the news channels okay, cable news channels that I
watch a lot of sports. It's good for sports. I
get my Bachelor got to watch it live because I
have a podcast called the Lifestyle Podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So what if that goes away for a week, but
you gotta watch? What? What do you do? What's your
possible outlet?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I think that there's I go to my son who
has a Spectrum password and I watch Fox Sports on Spectrum.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
In perpetuity or or in Canada.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
You filled the gap. You know that all of us
will have our gap plans, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, so but the question is when does the gap
plan become the main plan?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
And that's what that's why what YouTube TV will fear
in the okay.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Then yeah, in this case, I actually think that's a
legit fear because you know, if you're if you're doing
it for red zone, ESPN gets red zone? What next
year doesn't get it? This year? Is it this year?
Next year?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah? This all it's all after this season.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, So the question is can you find red zone
for a year, you know, is what do you do
for the college football games in the meantime? But this
one is one where Fox is going to have their
own streaming service, ESPN is going to have their own
streaming service, and ESPN streaming services also include red Zone.
If I'm YouTube TV like, I probably cave on this
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one and get people signed up and try and extend
them beyond next year when ESPN takes over red Zone,
because it will substantially devalue whatever red Zone package you
have because any of you just pay for the ESPN
you get the red Zone as well. What's crazy about
it is and this was the big concern initially from
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cable companies and from the Espns and the Foxes was
exactly what happened, which is streaming. They'll come in at
a really low price. But what's really it's evolved into
it's way more expensive to have all these streaming services
than it used to be just have cable. And the
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reason that people pushed away from cable was they thought
it was too expensive. Now they say, well, yeah, it
was too expensive, but I also couldn't watch my favorite
shows that a la carte programming that everyone feared would
undercut based upon price, the competition actually costs way more money, way, way,
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It's Dog gotlig Show Fox Sports Radio. I Got a
thought for you, guys. So the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson
came to an agreement, right, and basically the agreement is like, Hey,
we're not going to extend you, but we'll give you
some more money this year. Right, We're not gonna extend you,
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but we'll give you some more money this year. Now,
what does X signify? I remember they put him, you know,
they shopped him a little bit and there was no
trade made. What does that mean. Well, it's possible the
Bengals asked for too much, but it's also possible that
other teams they didn't want to trade for a guy
who then they'd have to give a contract that they
don't want to have to good give a contract to
and they feel like, let's watch him play this year
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and then we'll figure it out, figure out what we
want to pay him, what we don't want to pay him.
So tell me if this makes sense to you. Okay,
tell me this makes sense to you. Now, remember Trey
Hendrickson's deal is I don't think it's perfect by any means. Right,
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They gave him a big pay bump for just a year.
He's gonna get fourteen million more this year. The revised
deal also includes one million dollars in incentives if he
plays sixty percent of the plays and the Bengals make
the playoffs. So he's gonna make thirty million dollars this year.
That's pretty good. But they didn't want to extend him
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into extra years, or at least at the rate that
he wanted, so he could be a free at the
end of the year. They had discussed a two year,
seventy nine million dollar extension, and the overall deal could
have equaled ninety five million dollars over three years, while
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accounting for his original sixteen million dollars this year. But
there are no guarantees beyond this year, so the agent
must going, Hey, you don't want to agree to it,
but beyond that, let's just give us a raise and
we'll be out the door if we do well. I
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think it's a deal where no one's happy. No one's
really happy. Trey Hendrickson not really happy. Is he with
the Bengals yet? Does he get paid yet? But does
he have security beyond this year? No, that's just like
the deal that he could have signed. And for the Bengals,
they were held hostage and end up having to double
the price of their leading pass rusher. And if he
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plays well, they'll probably lose him. If he plays poorly,
they probably don't want to keep him. So what really
changed when they had him under contract and they didn't
have to do anything? But you know there's something about
I know this from broadcasting. People always say when when
both sides think you're a homer for the other side.
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You you're right down the middle of a broadcaster, and
when both sides are a little bit unhappy with a deal,
you've probably nailed it with this contract. It's the dug
Outleab Show, It's Fox Sports Radio. Earlier today, I got
a chance to catch up with Ken Griffy Senior and
Ken Griffy Junior on behalf of depend and their stands
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Strong for Men's Health campaign raising awareness for prostate cancer screening. Guys, listen,
it's obviously an honor to speak with you both. I
have to point out that I'm right in the wheelhouse
of fandom for the Griffies, right, Junior was the biggest
thing on Earth, Ken Senior, What was that like for
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you to experience, right, not just having him play with
play with you at the same time, but for your
son to rise to where he was literally the biggest
sports star on Earth.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Well, that was to me, it was amazing.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I didn't think, you know, it would it would turn
out to be like that, But just watching him play.
When I first went over to Seattle, he told me
I'm playing left field and he's playing center. He and
he draws a square box three square feet he said,
you stand in that boxer and I got the rest,
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and I said, right, you know, so I endpt believing
him until I ended up playing with him. How good
he was in terms of how much ground tell kind
of army had the power, which was really amazing to me.
I didn't know he had that much power because a
lot of time, you know, I mean you I threw
bat and practice to him from twelve years old old
to just about his eighteenth birthday. But and he didn't
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get it hit in front of me in any games,
you know, for six years. So I just told Bobby Cox.
But I was with the Braids at the time. I said,
Bobby was there they right before they drafted him, and
he said, he said, well go ahead and see your son.
And I said, well, he can't hit, you know. So
end up that night, you know, first two at bats
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he strikes out. I got to go down to Cincinnati
and play the rest because I went to Braids at
the time.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
We got killed.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I come back home and I asked him how do
you do? He said, I did find I said, how
did you do? He said three for five two on
run five r vat and like I said, he didn't
get it hit in front of me tell his right
before his eighteenth birthday. So from twelve to eighteen, I
had to watch the drop and he did not make
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contact those six years.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
So but to watch him.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Play when I got a chance to play with it, ah,
it was amazing. I enjoyed every minute of watching play
because I didn't think he covered that much ground, but
he showed me he can do it.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
And then his arm was.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Outstanding, and cause I told him one time he threw
Roberto it was a Kelly out at home plate from
centerfield wall. Yeah, and I asked him, why did he
get the cut off man? He said, it was easier
to just throw it all the way, you know, So yeah,
he did get that out.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
But I did talk about it about the cut off man.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Can't can you? You know what was the experience like for you?
And again I'll just tell you. I was in southern California,
like a middle school kid, and part of it was
that was in the sports center era. But you were
the first like baseball player, maybe Bo Jackson a little
bit before you, but we first baseball player that we
could just sit and watch highlights of you all day,
(26:50):
like it was mussy from your perspective, What was it like?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
No, I mean getting drafted a seventeen, making too bigas
at nineteen, having.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Guys around me who had my back.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I mean, you know, Harold Reynold's day Vut, like Mickey Brantley,
Darnelle Cole's, Jeffrey Leonard. I mean, all these guys were
like big brothers and all the guys who played with
my dads against my dad. Every city I went into,
they made sure that, you know, hey, this is the
areas you stay away from.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
This is I'm going to come get you. We're having lunch.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I mean, I couldn't ask for a better group of
you know, big brothers and uncles and things like that.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
I mean, I've go into a horseshoe basically.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I mean the guys that you know took care of me,
made sure I was all right day in and day out,
you know.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
And the one thing is true, I couldn't hit in
front of them because I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I wanted to impress my dad, and he would sit
there and he'd just go, why don't just tend on
your mom? Because my mom show up and I go off,
he show up. I came hit, and finally I got
my first hit and instruction with and he literally opens
the window of the r V and said, now was
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that so bad and closes it and drives off.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
And from that point on, I was fine. But I
just wanted to impress my dad.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Like any other because most people don't understand that, you
know he's gone because he's still playing it. And Saturdays
and Sundays, you know, most dads are watching their kids play.
You know they're home. And I didn't get that opportunity.
So when I did, I tried to kill the ball
and it backfired. And that's when I learned that if
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I just go out there and play the game the
way it's supposed to be, I'm gonna be fine. But
it took me until I was drafted.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
And even when I got drafted, he came to visit
me and Medford wrivi.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, and I wrote four bats in one played appearance
and it was a ground ball back to the picture
and I and I can't hit that bay, So I
don't get one of that.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
He's his son.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
You don't have to learn or learn how to use
wood bats, and you know I I from that point on,
I think the most bats ever broken one year was
maybe three guys.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Remember I'm sure you remember that hat on backwards controversy
where you go into BP and people would say, hey,
you're disrespecting the game. And Ken Senior for you for
a for a guy who you raised the best player
in baseball. Again, same thing, like, you can't defend your
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son on doing the right thing all the time. But
this was like a kind of a nontroversy controversy. How
did that affect you?
Speaker 8 (29:51):
They didn't know the story.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
The story was when he was a little he was
always come and his wife he told him, told the
kids and he said, if they went games, you guysked
him come in the locker room. That was their biggest
thing was coming in the locker room. Pete Rose, people,
Peter Rows, Junior, him, my son, Craig, the Paria's kids.
You know, that was their biggest thing is getting the
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opportunity to come into the locker room after a game
because if we lost, they were coming in.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
So they enjoyed that. So the situation was Junior and
the kids would come in.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
They would go down to the to the cages to play,
you know eacheuble grabbed their dad's glove or their hat.
And every day so Junior grab my hat and he's
running down there, and all of a sudden he's putting
the hat on like he's supposed to, you know, with
the bill out in front. Every time he went to
throw the vaull was go down over his eyes. He
couldn't see. But he finally just turned it around so
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he can see. And that was for him just to
catch him throw the ball.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
You know.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
It was no disrespect of baseball or anything of that nature.
And people took it that way because they didn't understand
what happened, what he had went through when he was
a young kid. I know, my hat was my hat
was bigger than his head, you know, and that's that's
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what happened. But everything everyone turned off.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You guys realize though now you would walk out now
if you went to a plate appearance, everyone would turn
their hand, everyone would turn around.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
That that.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Was the reason.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
That was the reason why he had his hat turned back.
What if he was disrespecting It was just so you
can see and catch the ball, that's all.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
If obviously you can hear from my voice it's like
revered terms and talking about you can if you could
tell the if you wanted the younger generation to know
one thing about you and your career.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
What would it be.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
The one thing. Yeah, you only got one shot of
the career. Take pride in it day in and day out.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's pretty you.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Know, people take things for granted, like they're going to
be here tomorrow, They're going to do this tomorrow, they're
going to do that.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's you know, you get one shot at the thing
that you want to do, probably for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
Take pride in it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Early detection it's so incredibly important for all men, especially
African American men. It's why I'm honored to have you
guys join us, Ken if you could. Why is it
important to you that people understand about early detection for
prostate cancer.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Well, that was the most important thing for me, was
the early detection. Going back to the history of my family.
I had four uncles that I lost through by state cancer,
and knowing that a lot of them they never went
to the doctor, they never talked about anything, and so
if they would have talked about it at that time,
(32:55):
I would probably got the know more or got the
dulb period. Because they died early and I never got
a chance to.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Meet them even talk to them.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
But to me, being diagnosed early or screened early, well
it's a chance that you'll be you'll be your survival rate,
you know, so being you know, to me was the
most important thing.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Was diagnosed early. I mean I had to go through
so many changes with the.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Doing all the whole Actually, the whole process was kind
of tough on me because, like I said, I already
knew about it. But at the same time, you know,
if my mother had talked about it and I was
able to go through the whole process.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, it's it's Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Depend of course
has put a million dollars a million dollars in Prostate
Cancer Foundation and obviously you guys teaming up with with
Emmett Smith as as part of this campaign. Guys, I
cannot thank you enough for your time. And obviously you
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guys are the original father and son duo, and I
think your words and your belief and you're telling people
to open up a conversation, right, because that's that's the
hard part about it, right, Junior, is like just having
a conversation about it, which seems maybe embarrassing to some,
but it's way more embarrassing if you you wouldn't try
and get early detection survive.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
The actual conversation started, you know with us. You know,
a week after he got diagnosed. He was able to
sit down and tell me what was going on, tell
me about you know, the upcoming procedures, our family history.
And it enabled me to be able to talk to
my two boys, you know, and let them know, hey,
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you know, this is what's going on.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
This is you know, And I think that's the key
is to be able to have the conversation. You know,
one and eight men are diagnosed, you know, and being.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Able to have a survival rate that increases as the
earlier detech is important. You know, knowing your family history,
even if you don't know your family history, go get checked,
you know, being able to to.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Do certain things to make sure that you're there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I mean, there are a lot of things that he's
got to be able to teach my kids because my
kids don't listen to me, just like I didn't listen
to him.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
It's always that skipper generation.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I tell people we have a he has a common
ally with my kids. They gang up on me, you know, Uh,
so you know he has to be around for them,
and you know and for me when you know grandkids,
you know, I just had my first.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Yeah, so oh you didn't know that. Yeah, I'm no
longer existed.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I just I just know that that you guys are
both the black. When they say black, don't crack that.
I'll look at you guys both. I'm saying it's not
fair because Ken literally look the same as when we
played and the same like this is I'm you guys
are stuck in a time warp, but I'm not so
I had no idea, So congratulations.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But yeah, but this is just about you know, early detection.
I mean being able to have conversations. I mean that
is probably the key to a successful outcome is you know,
not be embarrassed. I think you know, as men were
(36:32):
supposed to be tough and you know, don't do this,
don't do that, don't say nothing. And you know, for
him to open up really showed me that I can
open up to my kids. And I think that's the
most one of the most important thing is to be
able to open up the family and and make sure
that it's an easy conversation.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
King King Jr. Absolute honor I think should depend for
having allowing us to have you guys on and this
is an incredible campaign. Thank you for being our guest.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
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Speaker 1 (37:56):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we've all done the Maya copas and we're wrong, and
Kyle Raley's kept it going. I don't know if this
is getting the attention it deserves, right, Like, to me,
there's all kinds of records, you know, I think I
(38:19):
think a lot of us grew to have a resistance
towards records or towards first of its kind with the
Lebron James era, right because he's been playing so long,
and because like Lebron James is the first ever player
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and
(38:39):
like I get it, he's awesome, But it's not really
it's like we can create it's like created records. This
is not a created record. Cal Ray is a catcher.
Catchers don't perform nearly as well in the second half
seasons the first half season. He also plays in a
ballpark which is the hardest in Major League Baseball hit
(39:00):
home run in. And he's got fitty home runs as
a catcher, which you're not supposed to be able to do.
And it's not like baseball just started keeping these stats. Granted,
they didn't start playing one hundred and sixty two games
until you know, I don't know, forty years ago, okay,
But regardless of how many games they played, no one
who played catcher hit this many home runs. Uh, this
(39:24):
is a and again I'm going to I have no
reason to believe otherwise. So this is a drug free,
unbelievable season from a player who plays a position that
traditionally wears you down, and he end up playing in
a place which is hard to do what he's doing,
and yet he's accomplishing all of it, and he's the
(39:47):
first to do it in a sport which has gone
for over one hundred and thirty years, and they've kept
stats of it, like Jase do Am I over selling
how big this record is, how big this number is.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
You're not You're not over selling it at all. And
I was just kind of looking this up as you
were talking to make sure I got this right. He's
played thirty one games at d H this year. To
your point, most catchers haven't been good enough hitters to
be DH through the history of whenever they whenever the
(40:20):
American League said they're going to bastardize the game, and uh,
interjected the designated hitter. I want to say the early seventies,
Isaac so, but no catcher has deserved to spend his
off days as a designated hitter. This is kind of
a recent thing. He said, over forty home runs now
as a catcher, being a catcher on the lineup and
(40:43):
hitting forty home runs, that's by far the big the
the most that anyone's ever hit. As someone who taught
myself how to switch hit, and again, the furthest I
ever played was Juco summer tryouts. That was the furthest
I ever got until the world told me I couldn't
play anymore. But I taught myself on a switch hit,
(41:05):
so have a I have a unique appreciation for switch hitters.
I love switch hitters. And the fact that he has
been able to do something that only Mickey Mantle has
ever done, hit at least fifty home runs in a
season as a switch hitter. I mean, it's remarkable what
he's doing. And if he didn't play in Seattle, I
think he would get more attention. I think that's his problem.
(41:26):
The Mariners are kind of like a I felt this
with each a row. It's just like they're a team,
but they just they kind of largely get ignored by
a national media.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I would say that's completely true, completely true. But I
also think that part of the Mariners thing makes it
more impressive because that ballpark is hard to hit home
runs out of, you know, first of its kind in
major League Baseball at a position that's really hard. It's crazy.
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(00:51):
You know, I think we have a little bit of
clarity on the Brown situation. I'm not sure the path
to where they got to makes a ton of sense.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's like we didn't really get a chance to dig
in on what Kenny Pickett is. I'm not sure I
understand why they signed Kenny Pickett. If we're gonna go
with no one got a real shot, it'd be Kenny Pickett.
But regardless, Kenny Pickett is now a backup for the Raiders,
and the Browns have clarity. The clarity is that Joe
(01:27):
Flacco is a Super Bowl champion quarterback, granted long in
the tooth, is gonna be the starter, and then at
some point in time, my guess is both Dylan Gabriel
and Shador Sanders will get an opportunity. I think the
issue is that while there is clarity, there's still a
ton of noise as to the order of and the
fairness of who gets what, when, where, why, how. But
(01:56):
despite that, I actually kind of get what theros seem
to be trying to do. They know they're not great,
they might not even be good. Flacco gives them a
chance to be just solid at quarterback. He's taken them
to the playoffs before no reason. Remember, they still have
Deshaun Watson under contract for a couple more years now,
(02:19):
likely won't play this year coming off to achilles injuries,
but still there they're trying to find They're actually sort
of going through the process of trying to find a
quarterback in one of the two ways in which teams
(02:39):
have been really successful when they haven't had an elite
quarterback they draft those two ways are somebody else's former quarterback.
You know, obviously this is not the financial level to
a Baker Mayfield, a Sam Darnold, a Gino Smith, but
(03:02):
it's still the same idea a guy who has and
no one has seen it or done it more or
at a higher level than Flacco of those guys. Rams
have Garoppolo as their stopgap. Finding a guy who has
experience and some success in the league at a discount
rate is a value. And then the other type of
(03:24):
real value quarterback is a young quarterback who's a third, fourth, fifth,
sixth round guy or maybe even mister irrelevant, who you
actually are not allowed to pay them big money until
like their fourth or fifth year. That's what the Niners did. Now.
I don't know if this is where they wanted to
get to. My guess is this is a stopgap year.
(03:46):
Next year with two first round draft picks, they want
to be drafting a quarterback in the first round, That's
my guess. But in the meantime, you take a swing
at a Flaco and you see what he can do,
and if not, you take a swing at some of
these young guys and see what they can do, but
you have I have to be willing to know this
is short term. I got to figure out something long term,
and generally a high first round draft pick it has
(04:08):
a greater likelihood of success. It's really easy to be
critical of the Browns. It is I would love to
know the real reason that they circle back to drafting Shador.
My guess is the owner encouraged them to do it,
or even told them to do it, just just I'd
love to know the process. But you also have to
(04:34):
take into context that much like when I go get
a haircut, I tell the barber, sorry, man, I'm not
giving you a blank canvas. Do the best you can
with what I got. And that's what they're doing in Cleveland.
Whatever you thought of the Deshaun Watson deal, that was
(04:58):
mostly the owner and I'm not sure sure you could
have foreseen how disappointing his performance has been and the
two Achilles Tenant injuries. Right, Okay, So it's really easy
for us to say, hey, you know, why didn't they
just draft a guy, or hey, why didn't they do this,
(05:19):
or hey, we don't realize they were they're cash strapped
and salary cast strapped at the position because Desaun Watson
is still under contract and they redid his deal in
the offseason. So if you still have Deshaun Watson there
and you only had first round pick and you have
two first round draft picks next year, you got Okay,
how do I get to next year? Will giving myself
(05:41):
the best chance to succeed this year, and then also
maybe I find a young quarterback w I don't have
to pay anything to, who can man my ship for
the year for a couple of years, and maybe I
can trade that first round draft pick even Taiwan if
I find my guy. But I promise you this, if
you really are a Shador Sanders fan, say nothing, tweet nothing,
(06:06):
act as if nothing has happened, nothing has changed, and
just wait. And if he's good enough and he performs
well enough, he'll be the guy for at the end
of the year and for years to come. And if
he's not, he won't. But the more discussion there is,
the more attitude there is, the more the calls for
him to play and fairness and people throwing out the
(06:26):
idea that there's racism involved. All this craziness you see
online from from people who bring in some emotional bias
to some other event that doesn't matter to Kevin Stepancy.
He wants to win. And if he's not in a win,
if he doesn't believe he has a winning team, he's
got to have one that's positioned for the future. And
a rookie quarterback who's drafted outside the outside of the
(06:50):
second round or in his case, outside of the top
four rounds, you're gonna be able to pay him nothing
and then build a team around him. I think that'd
be a great goal that that's, by the way, why
it's insane the people who say that Stefanski was trying
to sabotage Shador. He'd loves Shador to work out what
he can't do. And what I couldn't do, what coaches
(07:11):
can't do, is you can't put up with all this
nonsense chatterover either he's good enough for he's not good enough.
That's it. And if you watched the last game, if
you thought he was better, he thought he was a
better quarterback then the other two that are ahead of him,
then you just carried in the bias of I'm a
(07:31):
Shador fan. You didn't watch, doesn't mean they are better
than him. But Dylan Gabriel has played better than Shador
Sanders in his two preseis games, and Joe Flacco is
more accomplished, is better, was completely at peace and got
the reps that he needed. Got the reps all right.
Coming up with the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
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Sports Radio. I was looking at this earlier today. That's interesting.
We gotta we have we do have this. We got
King Graffy Junior and Senior, right, gonna join us a
little later on the show. Yeah, they're gonna join us
(08:13):
in fifteen minutes, King Griffy Junior and King Graffy Senior
together gonna join this in the show.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
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I'm sure it'll be done by then. This does feel
like every year on repeat. I'll take you back. You know,
we had Mark Shapiro on the show last week. Mark
(10:16):
now runs the companies that own UFC and WWE. And
you know when Mark was at ESPN, they used to say,
you're not never allowed to say the word a la carte.
I was like, well, that's three words, can't say any
of them a la carte. And back then the cable
(10:37):
bundle was everything. ESPN had over one hundre million subscribers.
They're charging over six dollars a subscription. That's six billion
dollars made before any ad was sold. Those were the
glory days. Now they have in the sixties, they're charging
a little bit more. I think it's like eight dollars.
(10:58):
But you do the math. You can't overcome the law
that loss of subscribers and get you back to the
level of six billion or eight billion or whatever billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So we have these streaming companies and how many streaming services.
We joke with Ilo about how he bootlegs them. Jace,
do how many streaming companies do you employ?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Just all of them, all the majors, you know, I
don't know, Hulu and Netflix and Prime YouTube TV, all
the majors.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Really, Peacock, Copple TV, pea Couple, TV App, Peacock, Paramount.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
MGM plus Rare Amount plus HBO Max.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
No.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Our point we're getting at here is this is ridiculous.
This is ridiculous, Doug.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
No, I I know it is. I know it's ridiculous.
My question is you pay for all of those?
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I do?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, So what's your monthly TV cable bill?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
I haven't looked recently, but I mean, just doing the
quick math in my head, maybe what two fifty three hundred?
Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's what I wanted to bring up because for the
average intensive sports fan, who let's say, for the average
Fox Sports radio listener, an intentional sports fan, is the
combined amount of all their subscriptions, How does that compare
with maybe what their cable bill was, say five years ago,
when it was a different landscape.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's gotta be higher, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:30):
YouTube TV started in twenty seventeen. February of twenty seventeen,
it was thirty five dollars a month. It's now eighty
three dollars a month. WHOA, so I pay for YouTube TV?
I don't buy all the service, as I'm joking, but
if you buy YouTube TV, that's eighty three. I do Peacock,
which is now gonna be thirteen a month, so you know,
(12:51):
you're almost at one hundred there, and then I do
let's say I do Amazon Prime, that's what's seventeen a month,
I do Peacock, and I do Netflix.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I will say this, Sam Lot, you do have to
change your password to something more complicated than go Hawkeyes
across the board.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Oh okay, I will, Isaac, but I'll let you know
when I change it so you can keep using my service.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna say a word that I
think you guys know, but it's a bad word in
TV streaming. Anybody have a friend with the jail breaker?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
I actually have heard of that is that.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I don't know if it's always called a jailbreak. Everybody's
a different name for it. But there are these you
can buy these like little boxes connected to your TV
and literally get every channel, every streaming, every event, everything.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
That sounds like some early nineties technology, Like there is
somebody working in the cable industry and they're like, yeah,
hook you up, give me one hundred and fifty on
the side.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, you get it. You get everything. You get everything, everything,
everything and things you don't want. Well, we don't have
that worthing. But I don't have that. I'll tell you
what I have. I have YouTube TV. And I think
I I got YouTube TV because I needed like basic
you know, local channels, and then I went a red
(14:11):
zone and had both and I was like, yeah, whatever,
and so yeah, it was like eighty five bucks. I
was like, well, that seems like a lot.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
But the internet you need. You need to pay for
the internet to power the YouTube TV. So it's well,
it's like one hundred and fifty well over hunt.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
H But then you convince yourself that, well I had
to have the internet anyway, right, so that's not really
a TV expense. But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6 (14:32):
But with cable, it's like you have you know, it's bundled.
You have the cable, maybe you have internet, and then
the cable package that they give you is right there.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So yes, but all these shows you can't get unless
you stream.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I know.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
It's it's maddening, it really is. And then with this,
you know, I'm looking at the football schedule coming up
on Saturday, and you know, the Albany Great Danes are
going to Kinnick Stadium to play Iowa, And what game
is that channel on? It's on FS one. This happens
every year, just to and then it just depends on
the network everything. It's maddening.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's frustrating every single year.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
To be honest, it's been two years. Last year was
ESPN and this year's Fox.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
No. But I'm sure if we went back there was
a channel. It was probably NBC the year before that.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Right, it seems like it's one of the major networks
and it's come to a standoff. It's on it's at
a standoff with some streaming provider, some streaming platform.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I bet jay STU if you googled, you know, like
standoff or whatever. I I don't know how you would
google it, but that there was somebody there. This is
this is a yearly thing.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I think you're conflating DirecTV directory of the same thing.
Speaker 7 (15:40):
Though.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
Oh okay, okay, you're talking about YouTube.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Okay, you're right, Okay, you're right if you if this
is just YouTube. My point is the standoff that that
that butts up to the beginning of football season and
sometimes costs us a chance to watch a game.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
It's the media equivalent of an NFL preseason holdout.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yes, that's exactly what it is. It's exactly what it is.
And it's like it's a lot, it's almost it's the
exact same thing. It's a hold in because you still
get your channels right now, and they're like, well, we're
gonna throw it off if you don't. And you know,
eventually they're gonna agree to a deal. Nobody just walks
from a deal.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
Well, they get consumers involved. They turn one side, will
turn consumers. You know, it'll be like, uh, direct TV
customers call up your you know, tell them you want
ESPN and you it's like they they turn they turn
you on, you know, on the other side.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
And this is what they do.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
They get people to complain on Twitter or or cancel
their service, whatever it might be.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I think I think this would be this is one
where Fox may have a bit of the upper hand.
I don't know this, but I mean, can I I'm
gonna hypothesize for a second. Okay, why did jac why'd
you get YouTube TV?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
Because at the time it was free, not free, but
at the time it was cheaper, much cheaper than cable
that's how they drew us all.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
One, right, and then what did you get as a
benefit to Like? What what do you watch on YouTube TV? Now?
Speaker 5 (17:22):
All the news channels okay, cable news channels that I
watch a lot of sports. It's good for sports. I
get my Bachelor got to watch it live because I
have a podcast called the Lifestyle Podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
So what if that goes away for a week, but
you gotta watch? What? What do you do? What's your
possible outlet?
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I think that there's I go to my son who
has a Spectrum password and I watch Fox Sports on Spectrum.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
In perpetuity or or in Canada.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
You filled the gap. You know that all of us
will have our gap plans, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, so but the question is when does the gap
plan become the main plan?
Speaker 5 (18:08):
And that's what that's why what YouTube TV will fear
in the okay.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Then yeah, in this case, I actually think that's a
legit fear because you know, if you're if you're doing
it for red zone, ESPN gets red zone? What next
year doesn't get it? This year? Is it this year?
Next year?
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Yeah? This all it's all after this season.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, So the question is can you find red zone
for a year, you know, is what do you do
for the college football games in the meantime? But this
one is one where Fox is going to have their
own streaming service, ESPN is going to have their own
streaming service, and ESPN streaming services also include red Zone.
If I'm YouTube TV like, I probably cave on this
(18:49):
one and get people signed up and try and extend
them beyond next year when ESPN takes over red Zone,
because it will substantially devalue whatever red Zone package you
have because any of you just pay for the ESPN
you get the red Zone as well. What's crazy about
it is and this was the big concern initially from
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cable companies and from the Espns and the Foxes was
exactly what happened, which is streaming. They'll come in at
a really low price. But what's really it's evolved into
it's way more expensive to have all these streaming services
than it used to be just have cable. And the
(19:34):
reason that people pushed away from cable was they thought
it was too expensive. Now they say, well, yeah, it
was too expensive, but I also couldn't watch my favorite
shows that a la carte programming that everyone feared would
undercut based upon price, the competition actually costs way more money, way, way,
(19:55):
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It's Dog gotlig Show Fox Sports Radio. I Got a
thought for you, guys. So the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson
came to an agreement, right, and basically the agreement is like, Hey,
we're not going to extend you, but we'll give you
some more money this year. Right, We're not gonna extend you,
(20:54):
but we'll give you some more money this year. Now,
what does X signify? I remember they put him, you know,
they shopped him a little bit and there was no
trade made. What does that mean. Well, it's possible the
Bengals asked for too much, but it's also possible that
other teams they didn't want to trade for a guy
who then they'd have to give a contract that they
don't want to have to good give a contract to
and they feel like, let's watch him play this year
(21:14):
and then we'll figure it out, figure out what we
want to pay him, what we don't want to pay him.
So tell me if this makes sense to you. Okay,
tell me this makes sense to you. Now, remember Trey
Hendrickson's deal is I don't think it's perfect by any means. Right,
(21:35):
They gave him a big pay bump for just a year.
He's gonna get fourteen million more this year. The revised
deal also includes one million dollars in incentives if he
plays sixty percent of the plays and the Bengals make
the playoffs. So he's gonna make thirty million dollars this year.
That's pretty good. But they didn't want to extend him
(21:56):
into extra years, or at least at the rate that
he wanted, so he could be a free at the
end of the year. They had discussed a two year,
seventy nine million dollar extension, and the overall deal could
have equaled ninety five million dollars over three years, while
(22:16):
accounting for his original sixteen million dollars this year. But
there are no guarantees beyond this year, so the agent
must going, Hey, you don't want to agree to it,
but beyond that, let's just give us a raise and
we'll be out the door if we do well. I
(22:36):
think it's a deal where no one's happy. No one's
really happy. Trey Hendrickson not really happy. Is he with
the Bengals yet? Does he get paid yet? But does
he have security beyond this year? No, that's just like
the deal that he could have signed. And for the Bengals,
they were held hostage and end up having to double
the price of their leading pass rusher. And if he
(23:00):
plays well, they'll probably lose him. If he plays poorly,
they probably don't want to keep him. So what really
changed when they had him under contract and they didn't
have to do anything? But you know there's something about
I know this from broadcasting. People always say when when
both sides think you're a homer for the other side.
(23:22):
You you're right down the middle of a broadcaster, and
when both sides are a little bit unhappy with a deal,
you've probably nailed it with this contract. It's the dug
Outleab Show, It's Fox Sports Radio. Earlier today, I got
a chance to catch up with Ken Griffy Senior and
Ken Griffy Junior on behalf of depend and their stands
(23:43):
Strong for Men's Health campaign raising awareness for prostate cancer screening. Guys, listen,
it's obviously an honor to speak with you both. I
have to point out that I'm right in the wheelhouse
of fandom for the Griffies, right, Junior was the biggest
thing on Earth, Ken Senior, What was that like for
(24:07):
you to experience, right, not just having him play with
play with you at the same time, but for your
son to rise to where he was literally the biggest
sports star on Earth.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
Well, that was to me, it was amazing.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
I didn't think, you know, it would it would turn
out to be like that, But just watching him play.
When I first went over to Seattle, he told me
I'm playing left field and he's playing center. He and
he draws a square box three square feet he said,
you stand in that boxer and I got the rest,
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and I said, right, you know, so I endpt believing
him until I ended up playing with him. How good
he was in terms of how much ground tell kind
of army had the power, which was really amazing to me.
I didn't know he had that much power because a
lot of time, you know, I mean you I threw
bat and practice to him from twelve years old old
to just about his eighteenth birthday. But and he didn't
(25:04):
get it hit in front of me in any games,
you know, for six years. So I just told Bobby Cox.
But I was with the Braids at the time. I said,
Bobby was there they right before they drafted him, and
he said, he said, well go ahead and see your son.
And I said, well, he can't hit, you know. So
end up that night, you know, first two at bats
(25:26):
he strikes out. I got to go down to Cincinnati
and play the rest because I went to Braids at
the time.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
We got killed.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
I come back home and I asked him how do
you do? He said, I did find I said, how
did you do? He said three for five two on
run five r vat and like I said, he didn't
get it hit in front of me tell his right
before his eighteenth birthday. So from twelve to eighteen, I
had to watch the drop and he did not make
(25:53):
contact those six years.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
So but to watch him.
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Play when I got a chance to play with it, ah,
it was amazing. I enjoyed every minute of watching play
because I didn't think he covered that much ground, but
he showed me he can do it.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
And then his arm was.
Speaker 7 (26:09):
Outstanding, and cause I told him one time he threw
Roberto it was a Kelly out at home plate from
centerfield wall. Yeah, and I asked him, why did he
get the cut off man? He said, it was easier
to just throw it all the way, you know, So yeah,
he did get that out.
Speaker 8 (26:25):
But I did talk about it about the cut off man.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Can't can you? You know what was the experience like for you?
And again I'll just tell you. I was in southern California,
like a middle school kid, and part of it was
that was in the sports center era. But you were
the first like baseball player, maybe Bo Jackson a little
bit before you, but we first baseball player that we
could just sit and watch highlights of you all day,
(26:50):
like it was mussy from your perspective, What was it like?
Speaker 2 (26:55):
No, I mean getting drafted a seventeen, making too bigas
at nineteen, having.
Speaker 8 (27:02):
Guys around me who had my back.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I mean, you know, Harold Reynold's day Vut, like Mickey Brantley,
Darnelle Cole's, Jeffrey Leonard. I mean, all these guys were
like big brothers and all the guys who played with
my dads against my dad. Every city I went into,
they made sure that, you know, hey, this is the
areas you stay away from.
Speaker 8 (27:24):
This is I'm going to come get you. We're having lunch.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I mean, I couldn't ask for a better group of
you know, big brothers and uncles and things like that.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
I mean, I've go into a horseshoe basically.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
I mean the guys that you know took care of me,
made sure I was all right day in and day out,
you know.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
And the one thing is true, I couldn't hit in
front of them because I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I wanted to impress my dad, and he would sit
there and he'd just go, why don't just tend on
your mom? Because my mom show up and I go off,
he show up. I came hit, and finally I got
my first hit and instruction with and he literally opens
the window of the r V and said, now was
(28:15):
that so bad and closes it and drives off.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
And from that point on, I was fine. But I
just wanted to impress my dad.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Like any other because most people don't understand that, you
know he's gone because he's still playing it. And Saturdays
and Sundays, you know, most dads are watching their kids play.
You know they're home. And I didn't get that opportunity.
So when I did, I tried to kill the ball
and it backfired. And that's when I learned that if
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I just go out there and play the game the
way it's supposed to be, I'm gonna be fine. But
it took me until I was drafted.
Speaker 8 (28:54):
And even when I got drafted, he came to visit
me and Medford wrivi.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, and I wrote four bats in one played appearance
and it was a ground ball back to the picture
and I and I can't hit that bay, So I
don't get one of that.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
He's his son.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
You don't have to learn or learn how to use
wood bats, and you know I I from that point on,
I think the most bats ever broken one year was
maybe three guys.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Remember I'm sure you remember that hat on backwards controversy
where you go into BP and people would say, hey,
you're disrespecting the game. And Ken Senior for you for
a for a guy who you raised the best player
in baseball. Again, same thing, like, you can't defend your
(29:44):
son on doing the right thing all the time. But
this was like a kind of a nontroversy controversy. How
did that affect you?
Speaker 8 (29:51):
They didn't know the story.
Speaker 7 (29:53):
The story was when he was a little he was
always come and his wife he told him, told the
kids and he said, if they went games, you guysked
him come in the locker room. That was their biggest
thing was coming in the locker room. Pete Rose, people,
Peter Rows, Junior, him, my son, Craig, the Paria's kids.
You know, that was their biggest thing is getting the
(30:13):
opportunity to come into the locker room after a game
because if we lost, they were coming in.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
So they enjoyed that. So the situation was Junior and
the kids would come in.
Speaker 7 (30:24):
They would go down to the to the cages to play,
you know eacheuble grabbed their dad's glove or their hat.
And every day so Junior grab my hat and he's
running down there, and all of a sudden he's putting
the hat on like he's supposed to, you know, with
the bill out in front. Every time he went to
throw the vaull was go down over his eyes. He
couldn't see. But he finally just turned it around so
(30:46):
he can see. And that was for him just to
catch him throw the ball.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
You know.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
It was no disrespect of baseball or anything of that nature.
And people took it that way because they didn't understand
what happened, what he had went through when he was
a young kid. I know, my hat was my hat
was bigger than his head, you know, and that's that's
(31:10):
what happened. But everything everyone turned off.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
You guys realize though now you would walk out now
if you went to a plate appearance, everyone would turn
their hand, everyone would turn around.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
That that.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
Was the reason.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
That was the reason why he had his hat turned back.
What if he was disrespecting It was just so you
can see and catch the ball, that's all.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
If obviously you can hear from my voice it's like
revered terms and talking about you can if you could
tell the if you wanted the younger generation to know
one thing about you and your career.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
What would it be.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
The one thing. Yeah, you only got one shot of
the career. Take pride in it day in and day out.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
It's pretty you.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Know, people take things for granted, like they're going to
be here tomorrow, They're going to do this tomorrow, they're
going to do that.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Now.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's you know, you get one shot at the thing
that you want to do, probably for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 8 (32:13):
Take pride in it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Early detection it's so incredibly important for all men, especially
African American men. It's why I'm honored to have you
guys join us, Ken if you could. Why is it
important to you that people understand about early detection for
prostate cancer.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Well, that was the most important thing for me, was
the early detection. Going back to the history of my family.
I had four uncles that I lost through by state cancer,
and knowing that a lot of them they never went
to the doctor, they never talked about anything, and so
if they would have talked about it at that time,
(32:55):
I would probably got the know more or got the
dulb period. Because they died early and I never got
a chance to.
Speaker 8 (33:03):
Meet them even talk to them.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
But to me, being diagnosed early or screened early, well
it's a chance that you'll be you'll be your survival rate,
you know, so being you know, to me was the
most important thing.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Was diagnosed early. I mean I had to go through
so many changes with the.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
Doing all the whole Actually, the whole process was kind
of tough on me because, like I said, I already
knew about it. But at the same time, you know,
if my mother had talked about it and I was
able to go through the whole process.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, it's it's Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Depend of course
has put a million dollars a million dollars in Prostate
Cancer Foundation and obviously you guys teaming up with with
Emmett Smith as as part of this campaign. Guys, I
cannot thank you enough for your time. And obviously you
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guys are the original father and son duo, and I
think your words and your belief and you're telling people
to open up a conversation, right, because that's that's the
hard part about it, right, Junior, is like just having
a conversation about it, which seems maybe embarrassing to some,
but it's way more embarrassing if you you wouldn't try
and get early detection survive.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
The actual conversation started, you know with us. You know,
a week after he got diagnosed. He was able to
sit down and tell me what was going on, tell
me about you know, the upcoming procedures, our family history.
And it enabled me to be able to talk to
my two boys, you know, and let them know, hey,
(34:51):
you know, this is what's going on.
Speaker 8 (34:54):
This is you know, And I think that's the key
is to be able to have the conversation. You know,
one and eight men are diagnosed, you know, and being.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Able to have a survival rate that increases as the
earlier detech is important. You know, knowing your family history,
even if you don't know your family history, go get checked,
you know, being able to to.
Speaker 8 (35:18):
Do certain things to make sure that you're there.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I mean, there are a lot of things that he's
got to be able to teach my kids because my
kids don't listen to me, just like I didn't listen
to him.
Speaker 8 (35:28):
It's always that skipper generation.
Speaker 9 (35:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I tell people we have a he has a common
ally with my kids. They gang up on me, you know, Uh,
so you know he has to be around for them,
and you know and for me when you know grandkids,
you know, I just had my first.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Yeah, so oh you didn't know that. Yeah, I'm no
longer existed.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I just I just know that that you guys are
both the black. When they say black, don't crack that.
I'll look at you guys both. I'm saying it's not
fair because Ken literally look the same as when we
played and the same like this is I'm you guys
are stuck in a time warp, but I'm not so
I had no idea, So congratulations.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
But yeah, but this is just about you know, early detection.
I mean being able to have conversations. I mean that
is probably the key to a successful outcome is you know,
not be embarrassed. I think you know, as men were
(36:32):
supposed to be tough and you know, don't do this,
don't do that, don't say nothing. And you know, for
him to open up really showed me that I can
open up to my kids. And I think that's the
most one of the most important thing is to be
able to open up the family and and make sure
that it's an easy conversation.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
King King Jr. Absolute honor I think should depend for
having allowing us to have you guys on and this
is an incredible campaign. Thank you for being our guest.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
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It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
we've all done the Maya copas and we're wrong, and
Kyle Raley's kept it going. I don't know if this
is getting the attention it deserves, right, Like, to me,
there's all kinds of records, you know, I think I
(38:19):
think a lot of us grew to have a resistance
towards records or towards first of its kind with the
Lebron James era, right because he's been playing so long,
and because like Lebron James is the first ever player
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and
(38:39):
like I get it, he's awesome, But it's not really
it's like we can create it's like created records. This
is not a created record. Cal Ray is a catcher.
Catchers don't perform nearly as well in the second half
seasons the first half season. He also plays in a
ballpark which is the hardest in Major League Baseball hit
(39:00):
home run in. And he's got fitty home runs as
a catcher, which you're not supposed to be able to do.
And it's not like baseball just started keeping these stats. Granted,
they didn't start playing one hundred and sixty two games
until you know, I don't know, forty years ago, okay,
But regardless of how many games they played, no one
who played catcher hit this many home runs. Uh, this
(39:24):
is a and again I'm going to I have no
reason to believe otherwise. So this is a drug free,
unbelievable season from a player who plays a position that
traditionally wears you down, and he end up playing in
a place which is hard to do what he's doing,
and yet he's accomplishing all of it, and he's the
(39:47):
first to do it in a sport which has gone
for over one hundred and thirty years, and they've kept
stats of it, like Jase do Am I over selling
how big this record is, how big this number is.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
You're not You're not over selling it at all. And
I was just kind of looking this up as you
were talking to make sure I got this right. He's
played thirty one games at d H this year. To
your point, most catchers haven't been good enough hitters to
be DH through the history of whenever they whenever the
(40:20):
American League said they're going to bastardize the game, and uh,
interjected the designated hitter. I want to say the early seventies,
Isaac so, but no catcher has deserved to spend his
off days as a designated hitter. This is kind of
a recent thing. He said, over forty home runs now
as a catcher, being a catcher on the lineup and
(40:43):
hitting forty home runs, that's by far the big the
the most that anyone's ever hit. As someone who taught
myself how to switch hit, and again, the furthest I
ever played was Juco summer tryouts. That was the furthest
I ever got until the world told me I couldn't
play anymore. But I taught myself on a switch hit,
(41:05):
so have a I have a unique appreciation for switch hitters.
I love switch hitters. And the fact that he has
been able to do something that only Mickey Mantle has
ever done, hit at least fifty home runs in a
season as a switch hitter. I mean, it's remarkable what
he's doing. And if he didn't play in Seattle, I
think he would get more attention. I think that's his problem.
(41:26):
The Mariners are kind of like a I felt this
with each a row. It's just like they're a team,
but they just they kind of largely get ignored by
a national media.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
I would say that's completely true, completely true. But I
also think that part of the Mariners thing makes it
more impressive because that ballpark is hard to hit home
runs out of, you know, first of its kind in
major League Baseball at a position that's really hard. It's crazy.
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