September 2, 2025 • 39 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains why he thinks Bill Belichick will be fine and encourages people to give him some time to figure things out at UNC.
Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show to get into the Micah Parsons deal, Arch Manning and other major NFL headlines.
Doug breaks down the verbal dispute between Dan Lanning and Mike Gundy.
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes, Welcome to the Doug Gottlieb Show and.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Today's a day or I'm glad I'm the only individual
on head coach to have a national radio show, so
I can spreak and see to all of you and c.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And Green Bay is gonna have a good team this year, definitely.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Packers are definitely, and I think the Phoenix is
gonna have a pretty good team this year. Let's get
after It's great weekend of football. Long weekend a football
started Thursday, extended through yesterday, culminating last in Bill Belichick
coaching his first college game as a head coach against TCU.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Don't hate that you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
North Carolina opened at home against a quality opponent, but
this is like a scheduling one oh one. The hardest
thing to do in college athletics is scheduling. And when
people say it's hard, it's difficult. From a myriad of
places you have to make money and depending upon the
level that you're playing at, like North Carolina is not
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playing games where they collect checks others, but you got
to make money by filling up your stadium. You got
to pay money for some teams to come in and
take an l and then you have to challenge yourself
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Out of conference.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
But what happens is there's an expression in coaching and
it's from Jerry Sloan. Jerry Sloan was a legendary tough
player with Chicago Bulls. He was most known for being
the head coach of the Utah Jazz that twice fell
to Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals. But the less
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the adage if you will is if you listen to
the fans, you'll become one of them. Now, I don't
know when that game was scheduled, okay, And in reality,
they have a nice little soft non conference schedule in
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TCU Charlotte, Richmond, Central Florida of the Big twelve. Probably
a little bit too difficult, but you should not be
playing two Power five schools and.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Walking into TCU. A trap. It's a trap. It just is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
TCU has to do it because they have to play SMU.
Here's another ACC school they play Abolene Christian Is there
is there?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But once your first game in.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
College football, you're better off playing dead bodies or very
slightly alive bodies. To people who think Belichick doesn't know
what he's doing, I don't know. You got twenty years.
If you think they weren't well coached, well, they marched
down the field and scored on the first drive and
looked surgical with it. But what happens is after you
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get after those scripted drives and you get to real playing.
It's one about talent too, about execution, and they had neither.
So you have seventy new guys against the staff that
just a couple of years ago played for a national championship,
won a Big twelve championship, like they actually have you
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on college experience, and I just think you have to
go through it for a year at that level to
understand what you need at that level in order to
be successful. Like Michael Lombardi's a friend, a personal friend
of mine and a friend of the show. He's then
a general manager. He wasn't in college he was doing
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He's done college scouting, he's been a general manager. He
knows football. This is not attack on his knowledge of football,
but specifically what it takes, what it looks like, what
you need in order to succeed at your league's level
or your level of football. For North Carolina, it's that
they're not right now at the uber elite. They're at
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that notch below to compete with the TCU. What type
of speed do you need? What does it look like
on a college field, in a portal, in a high
school field.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, by the way, they had thirty freshmen. You got
no chance to playing thirty freshmen that game. Seventy players
is way too many new players, and the ones they
have don't.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Appear to have enough speed.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But the adaption is going to be the key, and
my guess is because they adapted so well year after year,
roster after roster, change after change.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Where three four some were four to three some.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Remember early on when Brady was young, they were just
they wouldn't run the football for several of those early years.
They would just throw it out of the backfield instead
of running it. Then there were times when they became
a power running team and the Corey Dillon they really
ran the football. Late in Brady's career they became a
power running team. Takes them of the pressure off him.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So yeah, it starts with the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Then you got to have speed, and you got to
have offensive line play. But you got to know what
you're looking at and recruiting, and when you bring in
a bunch of pro guys to college, it's harder than
it looks because it's a different game than it looks like.
My warning to you is this, and this is where
college football is in a good place. I don't think
North Carolina is a playoff team, nor did anybody think
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that going into last night. I do think that Texas
and Alabama can be playoff teams, even if they didn't
play like it on Saturday. What the tournament has brought
in in college coaching is actual coaching, which is it's
not what you start out like, it's what you and like. Granted,
you gotta lose kind of three or less in order
to get it, whereas previously it was just about you
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got to be undefeated or close to undefeated if you
want to stay you want to have a chance at
the BCS or have a chance to play for NASA Championship,
have a chance to play in a special bowl, that's
not as important. You have to get progressively better, but
you don't always get progressively better playing a super hard
game out of the shoot. Sometimes you need a game
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just to get your legs under you, to build confidence
in what you're doing, confidence in the building. And like
guys look different in games than they didn't practice, they
just do. So take a snapshot of now with arch spanning.
Take a snap shot of now with Alabama. Take a
snap shout of now with North Carolina. Understand Alabama's schedules ridiculous.
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Understand Texas it's gonna get ridiculous. Carolina not as ridiculous.
But then you have to check back in periodically. Real
coaching is continue to get better. I was surprised by
the fact it was a blowout, but I wasn't surprised
they lost and it wasn't terribly close, because you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Know, it's just hard. It's hard to build a new staff.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Because what happens when you build a new staff and
you pay the coach ten million dollars, you pay the
rest of the staff probably close to six seven million
dollars as well, is if you have ten million in
rev share and then five ten million otherwise. But again,
some of that money gets stopped up by the coaching staff.
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It's really, really, really hard to do business if the
coaching staff is making a lot of money if you
don't have just crazy, crazy gobs of money.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And I don't think Carolina is there.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because Carolina is also trying to be good at basketball
and some other sports. So they're probably maybe they get
thirteen million in the REB share.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Probably sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Basketball got seven, they get thirteen, Maybe they can add ten.
But when you're bringing in everything new, that's more expensive,
and the hit rate is still way lower than guys
you actually know and have. So my point is that
while it's easy to kick Belichick now while he's down
and go ah, I didn't have Tom Brady or whatever. Okay,
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just to guess, guys gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Guys gonna figure it out. Yeah, war on a Cincinnati
We are in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Byer did now standing job filling in yesterday? How high
is the Ohio state high from Saturday?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, Doug. Surprisingly enough, it's not as high as
maybe you would think with that opening win, it's a
game that you definitely don't want to lose. But I
don't know if Buckeye fans are leaving one hundred percent
thrilled with the offense. And that's not meant to be
an indictment on Julian Sayan, who I thought played great.
The running game may not be as dynamic as last season,
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but again, you're going up against the top defense in Texas.
So it's a little bit, Doug honestly, of hold your horse.
And you said something in the just a few minutes
ago about the whole process of being a coach. It's
where you are at the end of the season and
not at the beginning of the season. And I think
Ohio State is a good example, specifically with their Oregon
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matchup last year and losing that game at Eugene and
Oregon rushing the field and then having almost well it's
not the reverse, but Ohio State taking it to Oregon
and the Rose Bowl in the game that ultimately really
did matter. So you take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately,
is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, Yeah, there's no preseason. A lot of these games
that teams didn't have spring. They got a ton of
new players. It's really early and I thought, I'll high
sleet looked great. They also have a former NFL coach
as their defensive coordinator who I thought can really confuse Texas.
And Texas won and Ohio State won the battle up front,
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just like Florida State won the battle upfront with with Alabama.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
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Speaker 2 (10:15):
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Speaker 1 (10:15):
Administration Player personnel Toms Alasco joins us first weekly visit course.
For eleven years, he was the GM of the San
Diego then La Churches, of course last year the GM
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins us here on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let me start
with the decision to trade Micah Parsons. Again, I don't
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know your level of insight into that room, but what
was your reaction to their decision to actually move him?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I wasn't, I mean, the only thing I was surprised
about was the timing of it. Obviously, they chased their
mind at some point later in the process because they
were actively trying to sign them, and they knew the
contract was going to be record setting and market recently contracts,
so they must have decided at some point to change gears.
It was just the timing of it, because at this
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point of the calendar there's a lot of teams that
would have interest in trading for him, but you just
you're not budgeted for a cash and cap at this
point of the years, so you don't have as many
teams competing for compensation to make that trade. So but
on the surface, like look, deciding that you know, we're
not going to pay three players that much of our cap,
and we want to get some assets back, and the
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assets I agree with this totally had to be more
than just ticks. They had to be picks plus a
player or players. The player that got back is a
really good player. Now he's thirty years old and with
his contract he may only be there one year, but
they get a frontline player back, and then the two
first round picks is good. The only thing is, like
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you just you can't guarantee that you're going to turn
those two first round picks into two starters or two
Pro bowlers or even one All Pro player. And Dallas
to me is drafted very well over the years, so
historically they've drafted well. But again, you can't say they're
exactly going to get two starters from that or two
Pro Bowl players. So you would like to get back.
It's just hard for player of Micah Parson's ability and
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his age, it's hard to get back true value. But look,
they decided that, you know, we want the cat flexibility,
and they were already using some of it with extending
dron Blantz. I like that they're gonna spend that money
on their own players and that's typically what they've done
in the past. I like that, And they're gonna get
some draft picks back, So they're going to take a
hit this year. They're just not going to be as
good in twenty twenty five without them. You got to
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hope you hit on those picks, and you know, and
maybe if those picks are into a franchise quarterback down
the road to take over for Dak and this well,
it seemed like it was a great deal.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
What do you think led them to change their mind.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I would think because this holding went for so long,
like I hadn't, I'd not seen a holding go this
many weeks where you get right close to this season.
If they were not going to deal with the agent,
which it seems like they were not, you had two
paths to go. One would be you'd have to put
them on a reserve suspended list because he's on the
active roster. And if you're on the active roster this week,
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you'd be paying him to play in the game, and
the game that he's holding, he's holding out essentially and
not going to play. I don't think any GM ro
owner wants to pay a player, you know, one eighteenth
of his base salary, which is a lot over a
million dollars one point three million, to pay a player
to not play. So you either have to suspend them
moving forward for not playing, or you have to trade them.
So they had to go one way or another at
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that point. So they decided to go to trade route.
And the big factor was this week plus they opened early,
they played Thursday, so they had to do something by
the beginning of last week either way, and you know,
they went the trade route.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Okay, what do you think the Packers is in the
trade for him.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I just think it's the right move at the right time,
and they're built to do this right now, both from
a roster standpoint, cap and cash standpoint. They're they're put
together really well there. They have a younger team, they've
they've built through the draft. They have a lot of
players on rookie contracts, which allows them to do a
move like this right now. They already had a great
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defense last year. This will add to that. Now they're
giving up, you know, they're giving up. They're putting up
a lot of assets into one player, so that that
there there's always a flip side to it. So it's
a record amount of cap space. You know, they're losing
two first first round picks, which are usually you know,
opportunities to maybe draft an impact player in the first
round that you get at a blow market value for
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four years. But I just think in this situation that
pluses that way the negatives. They had been searching for
a number of years to find that impact rusher. I
don't know this for sure, but it seems like they've
made calls on a lot of veteran past rushers that
were in that market to they were doing new deals
to kind of investigate, you know, making a big trade.
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You know, they've drafted past rushers in the first round
the last couple of years, they've signed free agents. But
this is to me, this wasn't something they just looked
at a week or two ago and decided, hey, let's
try this. I think they've been trying this for a
number of years to find this impact rusher. I mean
obviously all the way back to Khalil Mackman to try
to trade for him. So I just think, right right place,
Great time for this club, and they're going to be
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strong this year.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I remember, and tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't you
guys do dual practices with it with the Cowboys? I
want to say two years ago with the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
We did it twice in cost of Maincy.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yes, and again if I remember, what you said was
basically my cap Parsons ruined.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The scrimmage because you guys can block them.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It was jaw dropping. I mean it was. It's always
fun to go with the joint practice with other teams
because you're up close and personal for a couple of
days right on the practice field. Things you can't see
when you're a GM of your own team. So to
watch him practice for for a couple of days, his explosiveness,
his speed, his ability to affect the game, especially at
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all three levels, it just it just jumped to just
jump down in practice. So you know that's what Green
Bay is going to get. I mean, you can line
them up almost anywhere on the field, and you know,
does he play their run like an edge setting path thrusher. No,
but he plays the run with it's likeability explosion speed,
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either chasing from behind or slipping blocks on the front side.
He can still play the run fine, just plays in
a different style. But again, you know you're paying him
to rush the passer. I'm not You're not paying a
player of forty five plus million dollars a year to
set the edge. You know, I can find edge setters
for a lot cheaper than that, paying them to rush
the passer affect the game. And you know he's gonna
affect the game in a in a big way for
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green Bay.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Okay, So well, green Bay is playing the Detroit Lions
and then they play on Thursday night against the Commanders.
How do you how do you evalue? And the guy's
got a little bit of a back issue. How much
and how long do you play them?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
That's gonna be a difficult one to handle. You just
you have have to look long term. And I know
you're paying them a lot of money this year, you know,
so you'd like to get seventeen games out of him.
But this is where where the GM has to really
come in and make really smart decisions. A lot of
it's leaning on the player, and even though you're you know,
you're new to the players, you don't know his personality
that well yet, but you're leaning on the player, leaning
on the doctors. My sensive is back, isn't that bad.
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I'm more worried about a self tissue injury just from
not having a lot of high intensity reps the last
you know, four weeks. So if he does play, to me,
it's got to be package, the small pass rush package.
But you're gonna have to be careful with this because
I know he's in shape, that's the prime issue. But
it's just just a diff between being in conditioning and
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being in football conditioning shape. It's two different things. So
I wouldn't ax thirty forty plays this week because even
if you did that and he gets through well, then
you got a short week now as much recovery time,
and now you're at a higher risk in week two
of having a self tissue injury. So I think they're
gonna have to be very cautious.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
With this tender. Agree with you.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Tom to LESCo is our guest, longtime general manager of
the San Diego than La Chargers, of course, most recently
general manager of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins this
year on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay, so it looks
it looks like the Rams will have their quarterback right,
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and again, on the surface, it's not that big a
deal for the Rams because I mean, Matt Stafford never
plays in the preseason. But again, the question is management.
It's a longer season than it's ever been, eighteen games,
they start on Sunday versus the Texans. How do you
manage an older corporate? Again, and I'm sorry, I'm asked
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you a bunch of questions. But the other thing, and
you and I have talked about it is older quarterbacks,
especially ones that have an injury, they have a tendency
to get rid of the ball a little a little
quicker than even they need to, right because they just
don't want to get hit. So I'm one of your
thoughts on Stafford in the Rams.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, I think it's valid when you say, like, he
never plays in a preseason anyway, so I'm not so
much concerned about him not being ready to roll. With
his timing and anticipation, I think I don't think you'll
notice anything different. But obviously with this type of injury
at this type of age, there's just no guarantee it
doesn't flare up during the regular season, so they'll probably
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have to have him. I don't know if you have
to have him on a plan unless he's having some
back issues. It's not like a shoulder, arm issue or
a knee where we need to lessen the load a
little bit. I mean back to unpredictable. But if he
feels good, I think you keep rolling. But you know
there could be points of the year where he's he's sore,
you have to pull him back during the week. He's
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at the age of his career, especially in that offense.
If he doesn't throw every single day, I don't think
it's going to be a huge issue, but you know,
there's all there's got to be a concern that it
gets worse during the season, and then you know, at
some point do we have to go to Garoppolo And
they're already they were working on that plan B in
the preseason, and so this is going to linger the
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whole year, something to watch the whole year. But I
think I'm not so much concerned about his level of
play when he's out there.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, reports on Aaron Rodgers art Man. He does.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He still throws it with great zip, but he doesn't
move nearly as well. How hard is it to get
a quarterback who's so used to moving around, uh to
change kind of his style because he doesn't move like
he used to.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I mean, I think it would be difficult, Like if
you know you're your one style of player, used to
doing it one way, and now you know that the
legs don't always agree with what you want to do.
But I do think there are some some facets of
the of the offense that Arthur Smith's runs. I think
it's going to work well with Aaron Rodgers. They'll do
a lot of play action paths. He gets the ball
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out of his hand quick. But I don't you know,
no matter who the quarterback is there, obviously it's Aaron Rodgers.
The offensive line needs to play better this year. They
need to have more consistency from the tackles to make
this work, and they just really offensive to step up
around him. It just can't be relying on Aaron Rodgers
to make this thing go. And you can say that
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for a lot of the situations at quarterback this year
were in different areas, you know, Indianapolis and New Orleans
and Cleveland. You know, it can't be just the quarterback.
So they have some good receivers with the Steelers, they
have an excellent tight end group. Their offensive line, the
interior three of the guard center guard, I think is strong,
and the tackles have to keep improving. I mean, it's
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got Troy Fonton who's coming off an injury his rookie years.
He's almost a rookie this year, so he needs to
get moving quickly. And Roderick Jones needs to take the
next step. But I think that's the important part is
their defense is up standing. I mean, their defense is
really going to hold them in the games. That's the
strength of their Team's got to get enough scoring on
offense to win some games.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, so you've done this for years and you did
draft a pretty good one with the Chargers, right. What
were your thoughts first going in to watching take Arch
banning take on Ohstak going into the.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Game, Yeah, well, I disfigured if he played well, he's
gonna be the best prospect of all time, and if
he didn't play well, he'd be the most overrated prospect
of all time. There wasn't gonna be any in between.
But I looked at him this summer just because I
wanted to see what the hype was all about. And
I didn't. I know, he didn't play a ton of
snaps last year. But what I saw I liked, I thought,
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so I was. I was surprised how he played against
the Ohio State, not necessarily concerned. And actually the first
thing I thought of watching the game was like, you know,
you pull some Peyton Manning film early early in his
career versus Romeo Crannell, and it wasn't pretty. Sometimes it
looked it looked the same. So but now I think
Ris has a lot of skills. I think he's a
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much more accurate passer than he showed against Ohio State.
But you know when when the coverage is not exactly
what you thought it was going to be, or the
pressure or sometimes the lack of pressure isn't what you
thought was going to be. It really affects your timing
and anticipation, and when that breaks down, your mechanics break
down and ball doesn't arrive with accuracy. So I've seen
him throw with great bass and feet and mechanics. I've
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seen him do it before, but I think his vision
on of the what the defense is giving him on
that game, it was just murky and it led him
to not being very decisive. But that defense, with the
amount of talent he played against and the scheme it was,
it was a struggle for him.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
But yeah, he is a super high level defense with
with kind of taught from an NFL perspective, and it's
his first true road game as a starter at that level, right,
I mean, I don't like, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I know, I'm not. Like I said, I'm not concerned.
And with these situation, I don't know if he'll be
in this draft or not. But with with all players
that you're evaluating, we take the body of work for
a year or multiple years, whatever it is at the
end and kind of put the piece, put the puzzle together.
It is not a weekly stock market of up and
down and now hey he's not. He was ranked first,
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now he's ranked third. It's just not how it works.
But I think he'll be better for this. I think
moving forward, I'm not so much concerned, but I was
a little surprised to the extent of how a house
state really forced them to play. But it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, Belichick, what were your thoughts going in to watching
with Carolina played last night?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
You know, I didn't really have any preconceived notions. I
didn't know much about their team. You know, they have
a lot of new players, but I hadn't you know,
I really hadn't studied the team very much. But you know,
like kind of like arch Manning, like I'd rather see
a body of work of this of this team rather
than just one game to make a big proclamation. But
the only thing that really I took from last night
is that I thought I was less coaching and more
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about players. Like I just start, their team speed on
both sides of the ball just seemed really slow. And
there are some plays on defense where there were numerous
players that were free to the football and unblocked and
they just couldn't make a tackle. So I guess we'll
get a better feel for their actual talent level is
as we moved through their schedule. I think the floppiness
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on special teams and the ball handing on offense that
will that will all get cleaned up as the season progresses.
But I guess I want to see more this year
and to see what their talent level is because last
night it just didn't seem like they they were they
could match up to speed and athletic ability wise with TCU.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, I would say this, and again I experienced some
of that last year, which is when you come in
and like, I know, Michael Lombardi's a GM, he's been
on the show, he's a friend, but but if you
haven't been at that level, or you haven't been in
college football, like, it's really hard to evaluate if you
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haven't seen the league or the level that you're playing at.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Just it just is because.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And and evaluating high school and college kids is different
than evaluating guys for the draft because their development is
in a different, complete, different phase. So my takeaway was
that they're smart guys, but they learned a lot last
night in terms of whatever they thought their personnel was, like,
I'm sure they were disappointed in some form of fashion,
but ultimately, my guess is they'll figure it out.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
I think in the end they'll figure it out. And
you know, typically Belichick teams that have been big and
physical and powerful teams, but not necessarily the fastest teams
in the world. And when you get to the college
level and the way the college game is played and
it's so spread out, you got to make sure you
have team speed and maybe the half team speed there
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that just as young. And this isn't playing yet. I
don't know. I guess we'll get a better feel as
the year goes on, and maybe it feels like we're
going to be big and physical, we're going to beat
people up, but you know, we need more than one
game to kind of see where this goes. But there
were just some plays last night I just felt like
they were just the slowest team on the field and
it just TCU was running circles around them.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Tim, you are the best man. Good stuff. Thanks so
much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Sounds good. Thanks Doug.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
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Speaker 2 (27:06):
What but You Dog gott Leap Show Fox Sports Radio.
M m mmmmmmmm. I hope you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
The Doug got leep Shaw broadcast live every single day,
same bad time, same bad channel. I'm a proud of
them of Oklahoma State. They beat Tennessee Martin on Thursday,
and they'll play Oregon on Saturday in Eugene, part of
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a home and home series. Oregon comes to Stilly next year.
All of our fans in Eugene. Yeah, next year, I'll
head down there. We'll have a have a good time
early in the season, be able to do the show
probably the night before from there. But there was a
curious back and forth, and I'll give you the blow
by blow with a couple of little cuts on it.
(27:58):
It's really interesting here right that we are paying players
at all levels of college athletics. Some are there, there are,
There are some college basketball programs who do not very
few college football. I don't think there are any that
aren't paying any players. You do make the decision on
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paying everybody, which I think most people do. In football,
it's hit or missing basketball. Do you you know, do
tears or do you just each individual guy would negotiate
with him. Lots of decisions to be made from that perspective,
but I think, just me, I think that you're pretty
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well aware players are being paid, so keep that in mind.
And there's still this weird feeling that a lot of
people have, like are we supposed to be doing this?
We're not supposed to be doing this. And some of
the reaction is in the idea that it diminishes the
coach if you have a bigger pot of money.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Right, So we'll get to it a second.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Here's my gundhy head coach of Oklahoma State, getting ready
for the Oregon game.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
I guess that the last three years that we spent
around seven million over the three years, and I think
Oregon spent close to forty last year alone. Wow, so
that was just one year. Okay, Now I might be
off a few million, But they're spending a lot of money.
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They spent a lot of money, you know, and there's
some schools that are doing that.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
If you listen to the entirety of the cut. He
wasn't negative about organ he was saying they have amazing resources.
I do think the figure of forty is quite high.
I think it's you know again, that's factory and a
bunch of stuff that aren't what they're really factoring in.
My guess is it starts with a two, But I
don't know. Here's Dan Lanning, highly successful Oregon head coach,
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former Georgia assistant.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Here's Lanning.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
I got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately,
how blessed are we to be in a place that's
invested in winning. If you want to be a top
ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning,
and we spend to win. Some people say to have
an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately he's
a great coach. They've done an unbelievable job. But I
want to be a team that's competing at the highest level,
and we're really fortunate to be in that situation. So
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I can't speak on their situation. I have no idea.
You know, what's what they got in their pockets over there?
I'm sure U. T. Martin maybe didn't have as much
as them last week.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, that's where he goes to a whole bote.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Hey you played U. T. Martin last week? Hah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
They didn't have nearly the budget you had. Didn't hear
you complaining about is Gundhy complaining?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah? Is he? Is he honest? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like, look, I was critical of Mike last year when
you know his star running back got a dui and
he's like, ain't anything I haven't done a hundred times again,
I wouldn't have said it, nor would I have done it.
I mean I Saturday night this weekend, I went over
to a buddy's house. They're all having old fashions, was
constable fashions. I was like, I just can't have one.
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They're like, why it was, I can't get a dui?
Like one drink? Like What's what's the point of one drink?
Like I'd like to have a couple of drinks. And
I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not gonna put
myself in that situation I want, I'm not gonna possibly
get a dui.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But the point is that even though I.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Greatly disagree with him, no one has ever accused my
Gundhi of pulling punches and being dishonest. I think what
he wanted to get out there was we had no
money the past couple of years.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
This is the first year.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
We're spending money and we're trying to figure it out,
and there's gonna be hits, so there's gonna be missus.
But Landing taking a swipe late and men, I don't
think ut Barton had that much money. The other part,
which is kind of patently unfair, which is, hey, i'd
rather you know, if you want to spend to win,
that sounds great. Some programs don't have that. If Boone
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Pickens were still alive, they probably would maybe maybe not,
you know, Oklahoma State, it just does not have the
depth of that level of donors that are that committed,
and it makes it really hard. Plus they're trying to
be good at every sport softball, basketball, football, soccer, wrestling.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
They're really good at you know, Questria.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
My daughter said, like they have little money because they're
trying to be good at so many different sports. But
I thought it was interesting, like that's what coaches talk
about all the time. I told you, guys this last week.
We were playing Ohio State last year. It was like
an eight point game, and I switched up a ball
stream coverage and then all of a sudden, we're down
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like fifteen. I just started emptying the bench and playing guys.
It was the one by game that got bad and
I was in. I was just devastating the locker, mad
at myself. Why'd I switch the ball screen coverage? I
just tried to spark us. Well, I just I'm in
my own sorrow. One of my coaches grabbed and he said,
what was our budget this year? Said at one hundred?
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He said, yeah, there was a three million, maybe three
and a half. That thing was over before the jumpall right,
so you can use an excuse or an explanation or
a motivation for your fans, your bone donors. If you
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want to be like Organ, you gotta spend like Organ.
Landing took it as a slam at him a little bit.
That's he That's why he pushed back. And I think
it's because Lanning operates on the premise that I agree
with this. That does it take great personnel, Yes, does
it takes spending short, but it also takes quality coaching,
because the more you pay, it's the harder it is
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to get them to do the little things. We do
this every Monday. I don't see why we shouldn't do it. Now,
let's do a little love and hate.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Shall we love and hate. Oh, it's Tuesday. Did you
guys do it yesterday? Did you guys do it love
and hate yesterday? Dad Buyer?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yes we did, Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We did. What'd you love from the weekend?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I loved Ohio State's victory on Saturday against Texas. That
was great, again, not overblown, but it was just great
to have college football back and the team won a
big game.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, Sam, would you love on the weekend?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Well, I was supposed to go camping and I did not.
I'm kind of glad that I didn't. It fell through
and I gorged, gorged on college football. That's what I loved.
I mean, I was watching from Thursday night up until
last night. It was a wonderful, wonderful Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What about you there, Jase two.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
I'm a college football casual. Well, I don't necessarily root
for a team, but I root for storylines, as you know,
and going into the year, I'm rooting against two individuals,
Arch Manning and Deon Sanders. Both of them crap the
bed over the weekend, and I enjoyed that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I did think that Deon Sanders like they not calling
a time out there when there's two blatantly obvious moments
where they could have called the timeout, and they didn't
on the last drive. I wasn't cheering them to lose.
I did want to see what it looked like without
his son, and they lost. What I loved from the weekend,
I mean, I just loved that I didn't actually have
to move Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I moved very little. I moved very low. I was
not rewarded.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Like the Texas Texas Ohuse Tate game was not a
great game. Nobody will tell you otherwise, Like it just wasn't.
Wasn't that cleanly played, teams weren't ready, wasn't None of
the games were great, But it was just good to
have something on TV that we could all argue about
on Monday.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is really good.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
What'd you hate from the weekend, Damn Byer, What was
your hate that you listened at?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I think my hate was my luggage got delayed because
my plane got delayed and traveling on Saturday, so there
was a bunch of stuff, and so then you have
to make the decision do you wait because I was
fortunate enough to have another flight where my luggage was
coming in that same night, or do you wait till
the next day. I did not like that very much.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, Chase dou what'd you hate in the weekend?
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I hated watching my baseball team, the Dodgers regress to
what they were before sweeping the Podreys. They still they're
still doing with the same issues. In a weekend against
the Podreys at home, they seemingly had fixed all of
their problems, addressed all their bugaboos, and then in the
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games prior or games after that, they have gone back
to what they were prior to that. So we need
to fix some stuff up here in the last three
weeks of the season.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Three weeks left up, Sam, what'd you hate? For the weekend?
Speaker 8 (37:08):
I think I need a new TV, or at least
need to do a factory reset of my TV because
the YouTube TV multiview, which that really should be my hate,
you still can't customize it exactly the way you want it,
and that bothers me. They should have this figured out,
should pick exactly the games you want. That's not my hate,
though It's been a long standing right for me, the
multiview thing. But my TV couldn't even handle multiview. It
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kept crashing, so I couldn't watch four games on one screen.
It kept just like turning off or going back to
the main menu. So, oh, I I know I might
need a new TV.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yeah, those are always fun purchases though, right, give the
upgrade to a little bit bigger one. Yeah I need
a better picture.
Speaker 9 (37:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Sure, this is an old Roku TV and it's small.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And they're not that I mean. And if you can
go to like Target and get one's expensive.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, TV's are crazy.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
Imagine that in two thousand and five, so just twenty
years ago. If you were if you were to say,
one day, I'm going to complain that these four HD
images will not be able to look great on my
TV in uh from the internet.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Yeah, now you put in proper perspective there, I would say.
I will say that we've had the picture in picture
for a long time now. It's been a technology, it's
been around.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, but it went away. It went away for a while.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
It went away, Yeah, went away for a while because
it was garbage. So that's not even a great example
to use. Clean that up, and yeah I deleted the podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
My my hate is the nonsensical decisions, the nonsensical takes
that come from one college football game where people aren't
really invested.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's the same thing we get with bowl games or
with NCAA tournament games, like but especially now, like they've
literally had fifteen practices. They're still their kids, so they're
not new. Whatever your memory is of great college quarterbacks,
go and watch him play first week of the season,
in their first start. And yeah, I'm talking a little
bit about Arch Spanning. I thought some of his fundamentals
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did break down. I thought he did get sped up.
But I was actually at Peyton Manning's first collegiate game.
They played UCLA. He was a backup. He came in
off the bench, and he was good. But like, let's
not act like you said, the world of Fire, and
they're playing against a really good Ohio State team. So
but my bigger one is again like the let's fire
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Kalin de boor like he's been there for fourteen games.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You know, I mean just the craziness of one game
that you're not really invested in, not really invested in
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Speaker 2 (00:30):
Yes, Welcome to the Doug Gottlieb Show and.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Today's a day or I'm glad I'm the only individual
on head coach to have a national radio show, so
I can spreak and see to all of you and c.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And Green Bay is gonna have a good team this year, definitely.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Packers are definitely, and I think the Phoenix is
gonna have a pretty good team this year. Let's get
after It's great weekend of football. Long weekend a football
started Thursday, extended through yesterday, culminating last in Bill Belichick
coaching his first college game as a head coach against TCU.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Don't hate that you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
North Carolina opened at home against a quality opponent, but
this is like a scheduling one oh one. The hardest
thing to do in college athletics is scheduling. And when
people say it's hard, it's difficult. From a myriad of
places you have to make money and depending upon the
level that you're playing at, like North Carolina is not
(01:30):
playing games where they collect checks others, but you got
to make money by filling up your stadium. You got
to pay money for some teams to come in and
take an l and then you have to challenge yourself
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Out of conference.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
But what happens is there's an expression in coaching and
it's from Jerry Sloan. Jerry Sloan was a legendary tough
player with Chicago Bulls. He was most known for being
the head coach of the Utah Jazz that twice fell
to Michael Jordan in the NBA Finals. But the less
(02:05):
the adage if you will is if you listen to
the fans, you'll become one of them. Now, I don't
know when that game was scheduled, okay, And in reality,
they have a nice little soft non conference schedule in
(02:26):
TCU Charlotte, Richmond, Central Florida of the Big twelve. Probably
a little bit too difficult, but you should not be
playing two Power five schools and.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Walking into TCU. A trap. It's a trap. It just is.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
TCU has to do it because they have to play SMU.
Here's another ACC school they play Abolene Christian Is there
is there?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
But once your first game in.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
College football, you're better off playing dead bodies or very
slightly alive bodies. To people who think Belichick doesn't know
what he's doing, I don't know. You got twenty years.
If you think they weren't well coached, well, they marched
down the field and scored on the first drive and
looked surgical with it. But what happens is after you
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get after those scripted drives and you get to real playing.
It's one about talent too, about execution, and they had neither.
So you have seventy new guys against the staff that
just a couple of years ago played for a national championship,
won a Big twelve championship, like they actually have you
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on college experience, and I just think you have to
go through it for a year at that level to
understand what you need at that level in order to
be successful. Like Michael Lombardi's a friend, a personal friend
of mine and a friend of the show. He's then
a general manager. He wasn't in college he was doing
(04:01):
He's done college scouting, he's been a general manager. He
knows football. This is not attack on his knowledge of football,
but specifically what it takes, what it looks like, what
you need in order to succeed at your league's level
or your level of football. For North Carolina, it's that
they're not right now at the uber elite. They're at
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that notch below to compete with the TCU. What type
of speed do you need? What does it look like
on a college field, in a portal, in a high
school field.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, by the way, they had thirty freshmen. You got
no chance to playing thirty freshmen that game. Seventy players
is way too many new players, and the ones they
have don't.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Appear to have enough speed.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
But the adaption is going to be the key, and
my guess is because they adapted so well year after year,
roster after roster, change after change.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Where three four some were four to three some.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Remember early on when Brady was young, they were just
they wouldn't run the football for several of those early years.
They would just throw it out of the backfield instead
of running it. Then there were times when they became
a power running team and the Corey Dillon they really
ran the football. Late in Brady's career they became a
power running team. Takes them of the pressure off him.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
So yeah, it starts with the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Then you got to have speed, and you got to
have offensive line play. But you got to know what
you're looking at and recruiting, and when you bring in
a bunch of pro guys to college, it's harder than
it looks because it's a different game than it looks like.
My warning to you is this, and this is where
college football is in a good place. I don't think
North Carolina is a playoff team, nor did anybody think
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that going into last night. I do think that Texas
and Alabama can be playoff teams, even if they didn't
play like it on Saturday. What the tournament has brought
in in college coaching is actual coaching, which is it's
not what you start out like, it's what you and like. Granted,
you gotta lose kind of three or less in order
to get it, whereas previously it was just about you
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got to be undefeated or close to undefeated if you
want to stay you want to have a chance at
the BCS or have a chance to play for NASA Championship,
have a chance to play in a special bowl, that's
not as important. You have to get progressively better, but
you don't always get progressively better playing a super hard
game out of the shoot. Sometimes you need a game
(06:27):
just to get your legs under you, to build confidence
in what you're doing, confidence in the building. And like
guys look different in games than they didn't practice, they
just do. So take a snapshot of now with arch spanning.
Take a snap shot of now with Alabama. Take a
snap shout of now with North Carolina. Understand Alabama's schedules ridiculous.
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Understand Texas it's gonna get ridiculous. Carolina not as ridiculous.
But then you have to check back in periodically. Real
coaching is continue to get better. I was surprised by
the fact it was a blowout, but I wasn't surprised
they lost and it wasn't terribly close, because you.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Know, it's just hard. It's hard to build a new staff.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Because what happens when you build a new staff and
you pay the coach ten million dollars, you pay the
rest of the staff probably close to six seven million
dollars as well, is if you have ten million in
rev share and then five ten million otherwise. But again,
some of that money gets stopped up by the coaching staff.
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It's really, really, really hard to do business if the
coaching staff is making a lot of money if you
don't have just crazy, crazy gobs of money.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And I don't think Carolina is there.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because Carolina is also trying to be good at basketball
and some other sports. So they're probably maybe they get
thirteen million in the REB share.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Probably sounds about right.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Basketball got seven, they get thirteen, Maybe they can add ten.
But when you're bringing in everything new, that's more expensive,
and the hit rate is still way lower than guys
you actually know and have. So my point is that
while it's easy to kick Belichick now while he's down
and go ah, I didn't have Tom Brady or whatever. Okay,
(08:14):
just to guess, guys gonna figure it out.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Guys gonna figure it out. Yeah, war on a Cincinnati
We are in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Byer did now standing job filling in yesterday? How high
is the Ohio state high from Saturday?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
You know, Doug. Surprisingly enough, it's not as high as
maybe you would think with that opening win, it's a
game that you definitely don't want to lose. But I
don't know if Buckeye fans are leaving one hundred percent
thrilled with the offense. And that's not meant to be
an indictment on Julian Sayan, who I thought played great.
The running game may not be as dynamic as last season,
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but again, you're going up against the top defense in Texas.
So it's a little bit, Doug honestly, of hold your horse.
And you said something in the just a few minutes
ago about the whole process of being a coach. It's
where you are at the end of the season and
not at the beginning of the season. And I think
Ohio State is a good example, specifically with their Oregon
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matchup last year and losing that game at Eugene and
Oregon rushing the field and then having almost well it's
not the reverse, but Ohio State taking it to Oregon
and the Rose Bowl in the game that ultimately really
did matter. So you take it with a grain of salt. Ultimately,
is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, Yeah, there's no preseason. A lot of these games
that teams didn't have spring. They got a ton of
new players. It's really early and I thought, I'll high
sleet looked great. They also have a former NFL coach
as their defensive coordinator who I thought can really confuse Texas.
And Texas won and Ohio State won the battle up front,
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just like Florida State won the battle upfront with with Alabama.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
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Speaker 1 (10:15):
Administration Player personnel Toms Alasco joins us first weekly visit course.
For eleven years, he was the GM of the San
Diego then La Churches, of course last year the GM
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins us here on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let me start
with the decision to trade Micah Parsons. Again, I don't
(10:36):
know your level of insight into that room, but what
was your reaction to their decision to actually move him?
Speaker 5 (10:44):
I wasn't, I mean, the only thing I was surprised
about was the timing of it. Obviously, they chased their
mind at some point later in the process because they
were actively trying to sign them, and they knew the
contract was going to be record setting and market recently contracts,
so they must have decided at some point to change gears.
It was just the timing of it, because at this
(11:06):
point of the calendar there's a lot of teams that
would have interest in trading for him, but you just
you're not budgeted for a cash and cap at this
point of the years, so you don't have as many
teams competing for compensation to make that trade. So but
on the surface, like look, deciding that you know, we're
not going to pay three players that much of our cap,
and we want to get some assets back, and the
(11:27):
assets I agree with this totally had to be more
than just ticks. They had to be picks plus a
player or players. The player that got back is a
really good player. Now he's thirty years old and with
his contract he may only be there one year, but
they get a frontline player back, and then the two
first round picks is good. The only thing is, like
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you just you can't guarantee that you're going to turn
those two first round picks into two starters or two
Pro bowlers or even one All Pro player. And Dallas
to me is drafted very well over the years, so
historically they've drafted well. But again, you can't say they're
exactly going to get two starters from that or two
Pro Bowl players. So you would like to get back.
It's just hard for player of Micah Parson's ability and
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his age, it's hard to get back true value. But look,
they decided that, you know, we want the cat flexibility,
and they were already using some of it with extending
dron Blantz. I like that they're gonna spend that money
on their own players and that's typically what they've done
in the past. I like that, And they're gonna get
some draft picks back, So they're going to take a
hit this year. They're just not going to be as
good in twenty twenty five without them. You got to
(12:32):
hope you hit on those picks, and you know, and
maybe if those picks are into a franchise quarterback down
the road to take over for Dak and this well,
it seemed like it was a great deal.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
What do you think led them to change their mind.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
I would think because this holding went for so long,
like I hadn't, I'd not seen a holding go this
many weeks where you get right close to this season.
If they were not going to deal with the agent,
which it seems like they were not, you had two
paths to go. One would be you'd have to put
them on a reserve suspended list because he's on the
active roster. And if you're on the active roster this week,
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you'd be paying him to play in the game, and
the game that he's holding, he's holding out essentially and
not going to play. I don't think any GM ro
owner wants to pay a player, you know, one eighteenth
of his base salary, which is a lot over a
million dollars one point three million, to pay a player
to not play. So you either have to suspend them
moving forward for not playing, or you have to trade them.
So they had to go one way or another at
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that point. So they decided to go to trade route.
And the big factor was this week plus they opened early,
they played Thursday, so they had to do something by
the beginning of last week either way, and you know,
they went the trade route.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Okay, what do you think the Packers is in the
trade for him.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I just think it's the right move at the right time,
and they're built to do this right now, both from
a roster standpoint, cap and cash standpoint. They're they're put
together really well there. They have a younger team, they've
they've built through the draft. They have a lot of
players on rookie contracts, which allows them to do a
move like this right now. They already had a great
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defense last year. This will add to that. Now they're
giving up, you know, they're giving up. They're putting up
a lot of assets into one player, so that that
there there's always a flip side to it. So it's
a record amount of cap space. You know, they're losing
two first first round picks, which are usually you know,
opportunities to maybe draft an impact player in the first
round that you get at a blow market value for
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four years. But I just think in this situation that
pluses that way the negatives. They had been searching for
a number of years to find that impact rusher. I
don't know this for sure, but it seems like they've
made calls on a lot of veteran past rushers that
were in that market to they were doing new deals
to kind of investigate, you know, making a big trade.
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You know, they've drafted past rushers in the first round
the last couple of years, they've signed free agents. But
this is to me, this wasn't something they just looked
at a week or two ago and decided, hey, let's
try this. I think they've been trying this for a
number of years to find this impact rusher. I mean
obviously all the way back to Khalil Mackman to try
to trade for him. So I just think, right right place,
Great time for this club, and they're going to be
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strong this year.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I remember, and tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't you
guys do dual practices with it with the Cowboys? I
want to say two years ago with the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (15:24):
We did it twice in cost of Maincy.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Yes, and again if I remember, what you said was
basically my cap Parsons ruined.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
The scrimmage because you guys can block them.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
It was jaw dropping. I mean it was. It's always
fun to go with the joint practice with other teams
because you're up close and personal for a couple of
days right on the practice field. Things you can't see
when you're a GM of your own team. So to
watch him practice for for a couple of days, his explosiveness,
his speed, his ability to affect the game, especially at
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all three levels, it just it just jumped to just
jump down in practice. So you know that's what Green
Bay is going to get. I mean, you can line
them up almost anywhere on the field, and you know,
does he play their run like an edge setting path thrusher. No,
but he plays the run with it's likeability explosion speed,
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either chasing from behind or slipping blocks on the front side.
He can still play the run fine, just plays in
a different style. But again, you know you're paying him
to rush the passer. I'm not You're not paying a
player of forty five plus million dollars a year to
set the edge. You know, I can find edge setters
for a lot cheaper than that, paying them to rush
the passer affect the game. And you know he's gonna
affect the game in a in a big way for
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green Bay.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Okay, So well, green Bay is playing the Detroit Lions
and then they play on Thursday night against the Commanders.
How do you how do you evalue? And the guy's
got a little bit of a back issue. How much
and how long do you play them?
Speaker 5 (16:57):
That's gonna be a difficult one to handle. You just
you have have to look long term. And I know
you're paying them a lot of money this year, you know,
so you'd like to get seventeen games out of him.
But this is where where the GM has to really
come in and make really smart decisions. A lot of
it's leaning on the player, and even though you're you know,
you're new to the players, you don't know his personality
that well yet, but you're leaning on the player, leaning
on the doctors. My sensive is back, isn't that bad.
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I'm more worried about a self tissue injury just from
not having a lot of high intensity reps the last
you know, four weeks. So if he does play, to me,
it's got to be package, the small pass rush package.
But you're gonna have to be careful with this because
I know he's in shape, that's the prime issue. But
it's just just a diff between being in conditioning and
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being in football conditioning shape. It's two different things. So
I wouldn't ax thirty forty plays this week because even
if you did that and he gets through well, then
you got a short week now as much recovery time,
and now you're at a higher risk in week two
of having a self tissue injury. So I think they're
gonna have to be very cautious.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
With this tender. Agree with you.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Tom to LESCo is our guest, longtime general manager of
the San Diego than La Chargers, of course, most recently
general manager of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins this
year on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay, so it looks
it looks like the Rams will have their quarterback right,
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and again, on the surface, it's not that big a
deal for the Rams because I mean, Matt Stafford never
plays in the preseason. But again, the question is management.
It's a longer season than it's ever been, eighteen games,
they start on Sunday versus the Texans. How do you
manage an older corporate? Again, and I'm sorry, I'm asked
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you a bunch of questions. But the other thing, and
you and I have talked about it is older quarterbacks,
especially ones that have an injury, they have a tendency
to get rid of the ball a little a little
quicker than even they need to, right because they just
don't want to get hit. So I'm one of your
thoughts on Stafford in the Rams.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Yeah, I think it's valid when you say, like, he
never plays in a preseason anyway, so I'm not so
much concerned about him not being ready to roll. With
his timing and anticipation, I think I don't think you'll
notice anything different. But obviously with this type of injury
at this type of age, there's just no guarantee it
doesn't flare up during the regular season, so they'll probably
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have to have him. I don't know if you have
to have him on a plan unless he's having some
back issues. It's not like a shoulder, arm issue or
a knee where we need to lessen the load a
little bit. I mean back to unpredictable. But if he
feels good, I think you keep rolling. But you know
there could be points of the year where he's he's sore,
you have to pull him back during the week. He's
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at the age of his career, especially in that offense.
If he doesn't throw every single day, I don't think
it's going to be a huge issue, but you know,
there's all there's got to be a concern that it
gets worse during the season, and then you know, at
some point do we have to go to Garoppolo And
they're already they were working on that plan B in
the preseason, and so this is going to linger the
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whole year, something to watch the whole year. But I
think I'm not so much concerned about his level of
play when he's out there.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Okay, reports on Aaron Rodgers art Man. He does.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
He still throws it with great zip, but he doesn't
move nearly as well. How hard is it to get
a quarterback who's so used to moving around, uh to
change kind of his style because he doesn't move like
he used to.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I mean, I think it would be difficult, Like if
you know you're your one style of player, used to
doing it one way, and now you know that the
legs don't always agree with what you want to do.
But I do think there are some some facets of
the of the offense that Arthur Smith's runs. I think
it's going to work well with Aaron Rodgers. They'll do
a lot of play action paths. He gets the ball
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out of his hand quick. But I don't you know,
no matter who the quarterback is there, obviously it's Aaron Rodgers.
The offensive line needs to play better this year. They
need to have more consistency from the tackles to make
this work, and they just really offensive to step up
around him. It just can't be relying on Aaron Rodgers
to make this thing go. And you can say that
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for a lot of the situations at quarterback this year
were in different areas, you know, Indianapolis and New Orleans
and Cleveland. You know, it can't be just the quarterback.
So they have some good receivers with the Steelers, they
have an excellent tight end group. Their offensive line, the
interior three of the guard center guard, I think is strong,
and the tackles have to keep improving. I mean, it's
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got Troy Fonton who's coming off an injury his rookie years.
He's almost a rookie this year, so he needs to
get moving quickly. And Roderick Jones needs to take the
next step. But I think that's the important part is
their defense is up standing. I mean, their defense is
really going to hold them in the games. That's the
strength of their Team's got to get enough scoring on
offense to win some games.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Okay, so you've done this for years and you did
draft a pretty good one with the Chargers, right. What
were your thoughts first going in to watching take Arch
banning take on Ohstak going into the.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
Game, Yeah, well, I disfigured if he played well, he's
gonna be the best prospect of all time, and if
he didn't play well, he'd be the most overrated prospect
of all time. There wasn't gonna be any in between.
But I looked at him this summer just because I
wanted to see what the hype was all about. And
I didn't. I know, he didn't play a ton of
snaps last year. But what I saw I liked, I thought,
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so I was. I was surprised how he played against
the Ohio State, not necessarily concerned. And actually the first
thing I thought of watching the game was like, you know,
you pull some Peyton Manning film early early in his
career versus Romeo Crannell, and it wasn't pretty. Sometimes it
looked it looked the same. So but now I think
Ris has a lot of skills. I think he's a
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much more accurate passer than he showed against Ohio State.
But you know when when the coverage is not exactly
what you thought it was going to be, or the
pressure or sometimes the lack of pressure isn't what you
thought was going to be. It really affects your timing
and anticipation, and when that breaks down, your mechanics break
down and ball doesn't arrive with accuracy. So I've seen
him throw with great bass and feet and mechanics. I've
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seen him do it before, but I think his vision
on of the what the defense is giving him on
that game, it was just murky and it led him
to not being very decisive. But that defense, with the
amount of talent he played against and the scheme it was,
it was a struggle for him.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
But yeah, he is a super high level defense with
with kind of taught from an NFL perspective, and it's
his first true road game as a starter at that level, right,
I mean, I don't like, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
I know, I'm not. Like I said, I'm not concerned.
And with these situation, I don't know if he'll be
in this draft or not. But with with all players
that you're evaluating, we take the body of work for
a year or multiple years, whatever it is at the
end and kind of put the piece, put the puzzle together.
It is not a weekly stock market of up and
down and now hey he's not. He was ranked first,
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now he's ranked third. It's just not how it works.
But I think he'll be better for this. I think
moving forward, I'm not so much concerned, but I was
a little surprised to the extent of how a house
state really forced them to play. But it is what
it is.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Okay, Belichick, what were your thoughts going in to watching
with Carolina played last night?
Speaker 5 (24:21):
You know, I didn't really have any preconceived notions. I
didn't know much about their team. You know, they have
a lot of new players, but I hadn't you know,
I really hadn't studied the team very much. But you know,
like kind of like arch Manning, like I'd rather see
a body of work of this of this team rather
than just one game to make a big proclamation. But
the only thing that really I took from last night
is that I thought I was less coaching and more
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about players. Like I just start, their team speed on
both sides of the ball just seemed really slow. And
there are some plays on defense where there were numerous
players that were free to the football and unblocked and
they just couldn't make a tackle. So I guess we'll
get a better feel for their actual talent level is
as we moved through their schedule. I think the floppiness
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on special teams and the ball handing on offense that
will that will all get cleaned up as the season progresses.
But I guess I want to see more this year
and to see what their talent level is because last
night it just didn't seem like they they were they
could match up to speed and athletic ability wise with TCU.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, I would say this, and again I experienced some
of that last year, which is when you come in
and like, I know, Michael Lombardi's a GM, he's been
on the show, he's a friend, but but if you
haven't been at that level, or you haven't been in
college football, like, it's really hard to evaluate if you
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haven't seen the league or the level that you're playing at.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Just it just is because.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And and evaluating high school and college kids is different
than evaluating guys for the draft because their development is
in a different, complete, different phase. So my takeaway was
that they're smart guys, but they learned a lot last
night in terms of whatever they thought their personnel was, like,
I'm sure they were disappointed in some form of fashion,
but ultimately, my guess is they'll figure it out.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
I think in the end they'll figure it out. And
you know, typically Belichick teams that have been big and
physical and powerful teams, but not necessarily the fastest teams
in the world. And when you get to the college
level and the way the college game is played and
it's so spread out, you got to make sure you
have team speed and maybe the half team speed there
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that just as young. And this isn't playing yet. I
don't know. I guess we'll get a better feel as
the year goes on, and maybe it feels like we're
going to be big and physical, we're going to beat
people up, but you know, we need more than one
game to kind of see where this goes. But there
were just some plays last night I just felt like
they were just the slowest team on the field and
it just TCU was running circles around them.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Tim, you are the best man. Good stuff. Thanks so
much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
Sounds good. Thanks Doug.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
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Speaker 2 (27:06):
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M m mmmmmmmm. I hope you're doing great.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
The Doug got leep Shaw broadcast live every single day,
same bad time, same bad channel. I'm a proud of
them of Oklahoma State. They beat Tennessee Martin on Thursday,
and they'll play Oregon on Saturday in Eugene, part of
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a home and home series. Oregon comes to Stilly next year.
All of our fans in Eugene. Yeah, next year, I'll
head down there. We'll have a have a good time
early in the season, be able to do the show
probably the night before from there. But there was a
curious back and forth, and I'll give you the blow
by blow with a couple of little cuts on it.
(27:58):
It's really interesting here right that we are paying players
at all levels of college athletics. Some are there, there are,
There are some college basketball programs who do not very
few college football. I don't think there are any that
aren't paying any players. You do make the decision on
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paying everybody, which I think most people do. In football,
it's hit or missing basketball. Do you you know, do
tears or do you just each individual guy would negotiate
with him. Lots of decisions to be made from that perspective,
but I think, just me, I think that you're pretty
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well aware players are being paid, so keep that in mind.
And there's still this weird feeling that a lot of
people have, like are we supposed to be doing this?
We're not supposed to be doing this. And some of
the reaction is in the idea that it diminishes the
coach if you have a bigger pot of money.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Right, So we'll get to it a second.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Here's my gundhy head coach of Oklahoma State, getting ready
for the Oregon game.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
I guess that the last three years that we spent
around seven million over the three years, and I think
Oregon spent close to forty last year alone. Wow, so
that was just one year. Okay, Now I might be
off a few million, But they're spending a lot of money.
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They spent a lot of money, you know, and there's
some schools that are doing that.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
If you listen to the entirety of the cut. He
wasn't negative about organ he was saying they have amazing resources.
I do think the figure of forty is quite high.
I think it's you know again, that's factory and a
bunch of stuff that aren't what they're really factoring in.
My guess is it starts with a two, But I
don't know. Here's Dan Lanning, highly successful Oregon head coach,
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former Georgia assistant.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Here's Lanning.
Speaker 7 (30:14):
I got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately,
how blessed are we to be in a place that's
invested in winning. If you want to be a top
ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning,
and we spend to win. Some people say to have
an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately he's
a great coach. They've done an unbelievable job. But I
want to be a team that's competing at the highest level,
and we're really fortunate to be in that situation. So
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I can't speak on their situation. I have no idea.
You know, what's what they got in their pockets over there?
I'm sure U. T. Martin maybe didn't have as much
as them last week.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, that's where he goes to a whole bote.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Hey you played U. T. Martin last week? Hah.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
They didn't have nearly the budget you had. Didn't hear
you complaining about is Gundhy complaining?
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah? Is he? Is he honest? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like, look, I was critical of Mike last year when
you know his star running back got a dui and
he's like, ain't anything I haven't done a hundred times again,
I wouldn't have said it, nor would I have done it.
I mean I Saturday night this weekend, I went over
to a buddy's house. They're all having old fashions, was
constable fashions. I was like, I just can't have one.
(31:24):
They're like, why it was, I can't get a dui?
Like one drink? Like What's what's the point of one drink?
Like I'd like to have a couple of drinks. And
I'm just not gonna do it. I'm not gonna put
myself in that situation I want, I'm not gonna possibly
get a dui.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
But the point is that even though I.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Greatly disagree with him, no one has ever accused my
Gundhi of pulling punches and being dishonest. I think what
he wanted to get out there was we had no
money the past couple of years.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
This is the first year.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
We're spending money and we're trying to figure it out,
and there's gonna be hits, so there's gonna be missus.
But Landing taking a swipe late and men, I don't
think ut Barton had that much money. The other part,
which is kind of patently unfair, which is, hey, i'd
rather you know, if you want to spend to win,
that sounds great. Some programs don't have that. If Boone
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Pickens were still alive, they probably would maybe maybe not,
you know, Oklahoma State, it just does not have the
depth of that level of donors that are that committed,
and it makes it really hard. Plus they're trying to
be good at every sport softball, basketball, football, soccer, wrestling.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
They're really good at you know, Questria.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
My daughter said, like they have little money because they're
trying to be good at so many different sports. But
I thought it was interesting, like that's what coaches talk
about all the time. I told you, guys this last week.
We were playing Ohio State last year. It was like
an eight point game, and I switched up a ball
stream coverage and then all of a sudden, we're down
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like fifteen. I just started emptying the bench and playing guys.
It was the one by game that got bad and
I was in. I was just devastating the locker, mad
at myself. Why'd I switch the ball screen coverage? I
just tried to spark us. Well, I just I'm in
my own sorrow. One of my coaches grabbed and he said,
what was our budget this year? Said at one hundred?
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He said, yeah, there was a three million, maybe three
and a half. That thing was over before the jumpall right,
so you can use an excuse or an explanation or
a motivation for your fans, your bone donors. If you
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want to be like Organ, you gotta spend like Organ.
Landing took it as a slam at him a little bit.
That's he That's why he pushed back. And I think
it's because Lanning operates on the premise that I agree
with this. That does it take great personnel, Yes, does
it takes spending short, but it also takes quality coaching,
because the more you pay, it's the harder it is
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to get them to do the little things. We do
this every Monday. I don't see why we shouldn't do it. Now,
let's do a little love and hate.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Shall we love and hate. Oh, it's Tuesday. Did you
guys do it yesterday? Did you guys do it love
and hate yesterday? Dad Buyer?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Yes we did, Yes.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
We did. What'd you love from the weekend?
Speaker 4 (34:22):
I loved Ohio State's victory on Saturday against Texas. That
was great, again, not overblown, but it was just great
to have college football back and the team won a
big game.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, Sam, would you love on the weekend?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Well, I was supposed to go camping and I did not.
I'm kind of glad that I didn't. It fell through
and I gorged, gorged on college football. That's what I loved.
I mean, I was watching from Thursday night up until
last night. It was a wonderful, wonderful Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
What about you there, Jase two.
Speaker 9 (34:58):
I'm a college football casual. Well, I don't necessarily root
for a team, but I root for storylines, as you know,
and going into the year, I'm rooting against two individuals,
Arch Manning and Deon Sanders. Both of them crap the
bed over the weekend, and I enjoyed that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
I did think that Deon Sanders like they not calling
a time out there when there's two blatantly obvious moments
where they could have called the timeout, and they didn't
on the last drive. I wasn't cheering them to lose.
I did want to see what it looked like without
his son, and they lost. What I loved from the weekend,
I mean, I just loved that I didn't actually have
to move Saturday.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
I moved very little. I moved very low. I was
not rewarded.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Like the Texas Texas Ohuse Tate game was not a
great game. Nobody will tell you otherwise, Like it just wasn't.
Wasn't that cleanly played, teams weren't ready, wasn't None of
the games were great, But it was just good to
have something on TV that we could all argue about
on Monday.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is really good.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
What'd you hate from the weekend, Damn Byer, What was
your hate that you listened at?
Speaker 4 (36:07):
I think my hate was my luggage got delayed because
my plane got delayed and traveling on Saturday, so there
was a bunch of stuff, and so then you have
to make the decision do you wait because I was
fortunate enough to have another flight where my luggage was
coming in that same night, or do you wait till
the next day. I did not like that very much.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Okay, Chase dou what'd you hate in the weekend?
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I hated watching my baseball team, the Dodgers regress to
what they were before sweeping the Podreys. They still they're
still doing with the same issues. In a weekend against
the Podreys at home, they seemingly had fixed all of
their problems, addressed all their bugaboos, and then in the
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games prior or games after that, they have gone back
to what they were prior to that. So we need
to fix some stuff up here in the last three
weeks of the season.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Three weeks left up, Sam, what'd you hate? For the weekend?
Speaker 8 (37:08):
I think I need a new TV, or at least
need to do a factory reset of my TV because
the YouTube TV multiview, which that really should be my hate,
you still can't customize it exactly the way you want it,
and that bothers me. They should have this figured out,
should pick exactly the games you want. That's not my hate,
though It's been a long standing right for me, the
multiview thing. But my TV couldn't even handle multiview. It
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kept crashing, so I couldn't watch four games on one screen.
It kept just like turning off or going back to
the main menu. So, oh, I I know I might
need a new TV.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yeah, those are always fun purchases though, right, give the
upgrade to a little bit bigger one. Yeah I need
a better picture.
Speaker 9 (37:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:50):
Sure, this is an old Roku TV and it's small.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And they're not that I mean. And if you can
go to like Target and get one's expensive.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah, TV's are crazy.
Speaker 9 (38:00):
Imagine that in two thousand and five, so just twenty
years ago. If you were if you were to say,
one day, I'm going to complain that these four HD
images will not be able to look great on my
TV in uh from the internet.
Speaker 8 (38:20):
Yeah, now you put in proper perspective there, I would say.
I will say that we've had the picture in picture
for a long time now. It's been a technology, it's
been around.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, but it went away. It went away for a while.
Speaker 9 (38:30):
It went away, Yeah, went away for a while because
it was garbage. So that's not even a great example
to use. Clean that up, and yeah I deleted the podcast.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
My my hate is the nonsensical decisions, the nonsensical takes
that come from one college football game where people aren't
really invested.
Speaker 8 (38:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
It's the same thing we get with bowl games or
with NCAA tournament games, like but especially now, like they've
literally had fifteen practices. They're still their kids, so they're
not new. Whatever your memory is of great college quarterbacks,
go and watch him play first week of the season,
in their first start. And yeah, I'm talking a little
bit about Arch Spanning. I thought some of his fundamentals
(39:10):
did break down. I thought he did get sped up.
But I was actually at Peyton Manning's first collegiate game.
They played UCLA. He was a backup. He came in
off the bench, and he was good. But like, let's
not act like you said, the world of Fire, and
they're playing against a really good Ohio State team. So
but my bigger one is again like the let's fire
(39:32):
Kalin de boor like he's been there for fourteen games.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
What are we doing?
Speaker 1 (39:38):
You know, I mean just the craziness of one game
that you're not really invested in, not really invested in
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