September 3, 2025 • 50 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to comments made by Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on Good Morning America as he continues to try to sell to the public why he made the Micah Parsons deal.
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew give out the one NFL storyline that intrigues them most going into the season.
Jason Stewart tells you what is is most annoyed by today. Columnist from The Athletic Ian O'Connor joins Doug to talk about his new book that he co-authored with national championship coach Dan Hurley.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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know many of you say, hey, Gottlieb, you are annoying.
You could win this thing every day they're annoyed by Gottlieber. Yeah.
The challenge is for Jason Stewart to find people who
are more annoying than me that he wants to vent
about that's upcoming in the show. This may be annoying
to some I'm not sure in that Jerry Jones continues
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to sell everything, right, the ultimate salesperson can sell ice
to the Eskimos. That's the expression. You have to have
a BS in BS and so Jerry Jones who has
And we'll get into it a little bit later. I
commend my boy Jason Stewart on really tell me, hey,
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if you're going to watch a documentary, you need to
watch The Cowboys America's team documentary, which I have been
and I'm so glad he suggested it because there's so
much good content and interesting stuff. But again, like he is,
Jerry Jones a salesman. He's even now selling on Good
Morning America. The reasons he pulled to mic Up Parsonsdale off.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
We have two kinds of capital or currency in the NFL.
One of them is picks and the other is the
financial because every team is limited to the same amount
of resources to spend. And having said that, Mica enabled
us to have four, possibly as many as six players
for the future. That's a good trade. When you need numbers,
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I'll take the numbers every time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, So suddenly it's basically responsible Jerry biscally responsible. Jerry
and you know, really this is the Khalil Mack when
he was traded from the Raiders to the Bears sort
of trade. But he's not given us the real reel,
which is, wait, how'd you go from agreeing to a
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deal to trading him? That's a big stretch. And so
there's no talk about the breakdown in the relationship with
the agent, David Mulghetto, who they clearly didn't want to
do business with. We act like Jerry was being sneaky
and doing a deal without the agent, which is probably sneaky,
but the reality is the reason they probably just want
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to work together. Hey, I'm not working with that guy.
You want to get a deal done with Dallas, Here's
how we're gonna do it. So that wasn't asked. We
don't know. We can only assume, and the assumption is
that they have no relationship, especially now because Micah got
the deal that he wanted and he just had to
switch teams, get on a plane and play go from
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one historic franchise to another. But the more you try
and explain it, the more you know it's bull crap, right,
I mean, any of us who've told a Wendy told
a story that wasn't true. We know the more you
try and explain it, the more you go into expert
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detail over everything. No, no, what really happened was the
more we know it's bull. So do I think that
what he's saying isn't true?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I think what he's saying in that trading Micah Parsons
opens up a path for not just the draft picks,
but money to acquire a bunch of a bunch of players.
That's great, but he's one of a handful of dynamic
players that can completely change a football game because he
can be unblockable. So you have to balance those two
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things out. And we're operating as if this was some
really well thought out Hey, we're gonna move off of
Micah because we need more assets, and this is what
we all If that's what you were gonna do, great,
could have done the summer.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know, when you get to a week and a
half before your first game and you're forced to take
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you that's expresspros dot com. I. You know, it's it's
fascinating there where Jerry. When you watch the documentary early
on with Jimmy Johnson, you know, there's like the trophy
and he's clutching it and you know, the best thing
he did was hire Jimmy Johnson. Then Jimmy Johnson can't
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take his meddling and so he hires his boy, Barry Switzer.
When Barry Switzer wins it, Barry Switzer's like, we did
this together, we did it our way. Yeah, this is
Jerry's trying to say, I'm gonna do it my way.
And even though he's changing narratives midway through, you know
from Micah Parsons is gonna be a cowboy. He wanted
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to be a cowboy for a long time to know
this is all the plan all along. We're gonna trade
him and get the resources to acquire a couple guys.
The draft picks to acquire two guys. It's just good
with Good Morning a Mayor Emerica. It works because there's
no real pushback on that show. There's no real, Hey,
that's not actually how it works on a football show,
there would be. So he's smart enough to know to
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keep the discussion going. He's smart enough to know that
all this attention only helps the attention on the Netflix documentary.
He's smart enough to know that if you go on
Good Morning America, they don't double back with you on
a football question or as Good Morning Football would. So
he's no dope. But he's also not being honest, not
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being honest anybody else of the mindset that this is
going to be a bad game tomorrow night. And I
bring it up because, as Jason has pointed out, these
teams don't practice enough. They're not sharp even mid season.
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The product is and what we'd like now, they've been
without Micah Parsons all preseasons, so it's not like you
had a quarterback or you had a running back and
now he's just Hey, he got traded and he's not playing.
But no one thinks the Cowboys are going to be
great this year? Do we like? They're interesting? They went
out and got George Pickens, talented guy, but he's got
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to be their number two. You have two really talented
wide receivers and a good quarterback, but what wins your
games is your ability to pressure the quarterback, and you
gave away the best one that had in the game.
You gotta be able run the football, not turnover. I
don't know if they have that, and it's not like
if they get to the playoffs. Dak has been great before.
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But I just think you're at a bit of a
talent disadvantage against the Eagles. And I will grant you
that the Eagles, we don't know what we're gonna see
from them because of their coordinator changes. But they have
Saquon they have Jalen Hurts, they got a good although
different offensive line. It doesn't feel like it be a
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great game fired obviously. I know with I want your
flex you do view things from a fantasy perspective, But
what's your perspective on tomorrow's game? In general?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I think that it's tough, even though recent history has
showed that the road team can go in and win
a game. We've had this game for about twenty twenty
five years or so, dates back to two thousand and two,
and only six times has the road team won. Now
they've won two out of the last three years. We
saw the Lions go to Kansas City and win a game,
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and then the Bills beat the Rams in LA for
that season opening contest. But I just think that there's
so much juice for the opener for the defending Super
Bowl champs that the Cowboys, no matter what the deficits
that they may have on defense, are just behind the
eight ball because of that game and what it all means.
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So I don't think the bottom is going to fall
out for dalla Us this year because I think offensively
they're going to be fine. I just don't know how
they're going to be defensively. I just think tomorrow is
a really tough spot for them, and I felt that
the Eagles along your lines. I don't know if you're
saying both teams aren't gonna play well, but I just
feel that the Eagles are going to be the better
team tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, that's that's my feeling. That's my feeling. We're still
gonna watch, just like again, Jase, do you nailed Oh gosh, yes,
No matter what they put out their first NFL game
Thursday night, Cowboys Eagles, We're gonna watch, but we should
watch knowing shouldn't have huge expectations of it. Being a
well played or even a particularly competitive football game. On
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some level.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
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the way, Matt Mosley, columnists for Fox Sports, co host
of the Doomsday podcast covering the Cowboys. We'll ask him
about tomorrow night's game, but really the mojo around the Star,
especially with the trading of Michael Parsons late last week.
(10:32):
We could go, yeah, tomorrow, but we do this every week.
It's a Wednesday, it's the middle of the day, the
middle of the show, the middle of the week. So
let's get to the midway.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
It's not getting in the middle, It's time for the.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay. I love the topic that Jason Stewart proposed. See
I'm telling you, Dan Byer, I'm not saying I love
Jason Stewart. I love the topic that he proposed.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
There he proposed two of them. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I liked the one where he talked about best storylines
in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Great job, great job.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Are you okay with that one?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I responded to the text, which I know is a
big thing with Jason.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Usually my no response was I'm fine with it, and
in this one I was fine.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
With both of them.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
No.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Doug responded, Oh he did do? Responded, He said, crap,
power is out.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh no. I I got home from I was at
practice when the text came through, and then I talked
talked to Jason on the phone, and then I got
to my house and I'm like, why it's so dark
in here. There's a big thunderstorm at my house this
morning and I hadn't been home and I didn't realized
the power was out. So instead of going and toggling
the breaker and getting it back on, which I sent
(11:49):
something to do, I just came to my office to
the show. So. Uh, but I find so this one
I wrote.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
I wrote two ideas today. The one, or you are
most intrigued by this NFL season. Now this comes with
I have to I feel the need to add instructions
a caveat. Don't sam up your answers. Don't Iowa sam
up your answers. In other words, one story, Offer the
one most intriguing story this NFL season, and dig down
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on that one. We'll have a conversation. It'll be fun.
Or since Doug recently saw the Cowboys documentary, a conversation
about that and how the Jerry Jones story played out
this week?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Uh, Bayer, do you have a yes? Which one do
you want better? Which one do you like?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Storylines? Because we're gonna talk Cowboys with Matt Moseley.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I'm there with you. What about you, JASEU? Are you
okay with that?
Speaker 8 (12:44):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I like we got three and we didn't even ask
Sam Samuel filibuster. Let's get to it. Uh, Jay Su
you proposed it. What's your one storyline that you want
to dive deep into.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Well, I'm always going to skew negative, uh, but this
time I'm going positive. What I'm gonna switch it up
on you? Zig when you zag? It's called around here
at the Gottlieb Aaron Rodgers. I need to have a
successful season. I need Aaron Rodgers to have such a
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successful season that all the naysayers and all the haters.
If you've noticed, guys, it's been eerily quiet about Aaron
Rodgers this summer. Like there just hasn't been a whole
lot of noise. It's unusual. I think he did one
hit on McAfee. I don't know if he's been told
he can't do anymore McAfee, but it's been unusually quiet.
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And I want him just to carry the stoicness into
the season to fifteen wins.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I road for fifteen games in the topest division in the.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
NFL, fifteen and two fifteen, and I need him to
do that. I'm rooting for that. And I just know
that if it's if it is his swan song, I
want it to be a six cessful one, maybe even
an MVP one. So we could just kind of rub
it in the faces of everybody who's been talking crap
the last four years.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
This is such a from the thoughtful contrarian. Jason Stewart
just deviates. We know he's a Dodgers fan, Doug. We
know he's a Chargers fan, but he usually roots for chaos,
or in his words, he calls it content. Yep, he
calls it content. Yet there's this personal tie with Aaron Rodgers.
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I mean, heck Ian O'Connor booked on the show, wrote
the Aaron Rodgers book. There is this love of Aaron
Rodgers that seems to rise above all else when it
comes to Jason.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, even a smoking that girlfriend I think mentioned it
like she's uncomfortable.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Would you argue, Dan that him thriving this season would
be content because so many people want and expect him
to fail, that him doing well is will well make
them uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I I do think that that would be content, But
I also feel that arch Manning doing well is content,
and Jason feels it's the opposite that arch Manning not
doing well is content, correct, yep. And I just think
if arch doesn't play well, he just we all just
fall into the swamp of college football where there's so
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many teams and schools. If Texas is ranked twenty fourth,
we're not going to care about Arch Manning at that point,
where I guess you could say if the Steelers are
six and six, and maybe we're not going to care
so much about Aaron Rodgers to that point and that
it's just over because we expect this to be his
last season.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
I just needed to be fifteen and two. I'm rooting
for every week.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Let's go, Okay, what's the storyline I.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Do want to do?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You just want to say one thing on that. I
think that we just did a conversation of toughest division
with AFC West and NFC North, and Doug you said
AFC West by far, and I think that's absolutely fair
to say that. But when you do look at that
AFC North and you see the Ravens, who are a
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Super Bowl pick of many, so there's one hurdle to
get to. Then you bring in the rest of the
AFC West that we expect to be wild card contenders. Cincinnati,
we think is going to score points but not stop anyone.
The point is is it's just a tough road in
the AFC. It really is, and so you're gonna need
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Aaron Rodgers to be good because I don't think that
that defense, for as strong as they are, can carry
a team to the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
So I'll just say that on the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
My one story is, and I said this a month ago, guys,
I think Caleb Williams and the Bears and specifically just
with Caleb Williams. Now, we're got to wait to Monday
night to see how his opener is. But there are
so many things that are going against Caleb Williams right
now to succeed. And this was the generational talent. This
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was the can't miss guy. And not only is he
possibly a miss guy, he's on a franchise that has
never had a guy at quarterback, and he's in a
draft class that was full of quarterbacks that so far
have succeeded, especially the one that was picked right after
him in Jayden Daniels. So there are so many layers
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to the Caleb Williams conversation. And now you bring Ben
Johnson into the mix. Who else would you want to
have brought in to work with a quarterback? And if
it doesn't work, I don't know what the Bears do.
But Caleb Williams to me, is the story to start
out the twenty twenty five NFL season.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It is interesting though we talked about his can't miss,
wasn't Trevor Lawrence can't miss?
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But I don't I don't think he's a failure.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Yeah, Trevor Lawrence's dad didn't say that my kid's going
to break the rules of the NFL draft and we're
going to seek ownership of the team.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
And stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I also, I actually felt like the hype for
Trevor Lawrence was more when he was a freshman at
Clemson than him entering the draft. Granted, urban Meyer and
Jacksonville were set on taking him number one, but I
would even think, like, I mean, Joe Burrow is coming
off of a Heisman trophy in a national championship season.
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But I don't know if we looked at Joe Burrow
like we put Caleb Williams into this. I honestly I
felt like we put him into a generational quarterback, not
just all pro caliber quarterback super Bowl winning like generational
is won every ten one every fifteen when every twenty
five years, And I felt we did that with Caleb Williams.
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And now we're about to be one plus year into
the ten year and we could already be souring on him.
That's that's my personal feel.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I think it's all in this first game. The storyline
is Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, which one's gonna get
to Super Bowl. Oh they ever get to Super Bowl.
You're talking about a guy. You're talking about MVPs, multiple
MVPs with Lamar Jackson, and you know it's like, we
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could sit there and go, well, Patrick Ewing didn't make
the NBA Finals because Michael Jordan was always in his
way and the only time they did make is when
Michael Jordan wasn't there. Like that's great and all, okay,
but no one judges Patrick Ewing at all at the
level of Michael Jordan. Matter of fact, in many ways
by a younger generation, he's kind of a forgotten star
because he just could. I feel like Lamar Jackson and
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Josh Allen are godlike figures viewed as top five quarterbacks
in the NFL, and here we are again where you're
gonna have a chance at some point, you got to
get there. That's the storyline of me.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I will say that on the heels of that, I
find it very interesting because I think if neither of
them do it, then it'll be really interesting. But even
if one makes it, that means that the other one doesn't.
And I think that there is a change happening with
that team. Like the Ravens think if they don't make
it this year, it's how many more years does Dereck
Henry have If the Bills don't make it this year?
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It's like, all right, is Sean McDermott really the guy
that you want to be as the head coach? Like
there are those things that I think come into play
in how those teams change, and if neither of them
make it, maybe both teams make changes. But I mean,
I just got done watching the hard Knocks that nobody want,
you know, wanted to watch, and it sure felt like
it was a precursor to a oh my gosh, this
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could be the year for the Buffalo Bills, And rarely
do those things turn out that way.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
No, And if Lamar, though, does fail again, like, is
there like a threshold of how many times you can
choke fail?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's a great question. Okay, So the Gray never made
it out of the first round of the NBA playoffs
until he had retired, came back and he was like
a end of the bench guy with the spurs, right,
So I don't think that eliminates that. Tracy McGrady like
never made the playoffs as a starter. I made it
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out of the first round the playoffs as a starter.
How is that possible? I mean, I know that Yaoming
got hurt a couple of times, but he couldn't make
out the first round is crazy? Crazy? Anyway to to
answer your question, how many years do you get? Kind
of in football, it's kind of eternity. You kind of
get to you're done right. Uh, Marino hadn't got to
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one early, then never got to one again, lots of
There's lots of guys that have never won a super Bowl.
But to never get to a super Bowl, no matter
how stacked the AFC is, when he's had some of
the best defenses, he's been a multi time league MVP. Yeah,
I think he would get his whole career, But if
we're honest, it's got to feel like there's like a
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three more year window when he should be a favorite.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
To get that ree, you're gonna give him three more
years of choking.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, No, three more years where he's a favorite. So
how old is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
At gosh, thirty, thirty one, twenty I was gonna say
twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't even know, Sam Google machine, he's twenty eight,
twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Okay, feels like.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
He's been in the league for fifteen years, he's been
league for a minute now.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, it's also because they're always in it. Yes, yes,
they are always a topic of conversation. I think that
the conversation with Lamar this year is truly like it's
going to be difficult to match what he did passing
last year because his passing numbers were so ridiculous. It
is one of the best passing years we've ever seen
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a quarterback have in the National Football League. Just by
the eye, they would say there'd have to be some
sort of regression from that. You're just so that's that
what I think what I think could be at play here.
But when we're talking about Lamar, like, does he go
into the if he if they don't win, does he
just go into the Philip Rivers category, Because there's no
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denying on how good of a quarterback that he is,
and he had an argument to win a third MVPs.
Just they're not getting it done in the playoffs. And
I wouldn't call last year's loss in Buffalo a choke.
They didn't win that game, just like I don't know
if the Bills choked against Kansas City. I just feel
they just didn't win that game. So when we're talking
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about Lamar, does he fall from because Rivers was in
a class lower than Brady and Manning and Breeze because
he didn't have the Super Bowl. But I don't think
that we look less of Philip Rivers as a player
and calling him a choker by any means.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We don't. But I think there are people who do.
Philip never an MVP as well. To be a multi
time MVP and to not get to the Super Bowl
in a quarterback driven league, yeah, I'd say probably four years,
four or five more years of it, Jay stew But again,
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once he hits thirty that the likelly it is, the
running gets less and less, and when you take away
the running is a dynamic. He's good, but he's not elite.
Where he's incredibly dynamic is he's the best running quarterback
any of us have ever seen. He's improved as a passer.
The only times that gets marginalized just when he's in
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the playoffs. Sam, you got one?
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Oh there's so many storylines I could hog right now,
but for the sake of time, let's go over to
the West coast.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
So there's you know, I think that the Rams can go.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
As far as Matthew Stafford's bad back can carry them.
I think if he stays healthy, this is definitely a
contender in the NFC West and for a Super Bowl
CHAMPI chip, but you know he was late to come
back to practice. He's practicing now, but it's the back
and of the aging matt Stafford. When he's healthy, he's fantastic.
And they got weapons, they got a great line, they
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got you know, their their offen should be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I guess my issue is I guess my issue is
it's an interesting storyline. But yeah, we know we hadn't
gotten to what the Lions are like the Packers go
for it with Michael Parsons. You feel like last time
they went for it was Reggie White. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
I mean that's the one number one around.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah, it is okay on the heels of that, and
I think it's something that we didn't talk about. The
Rams did tell Matthew Stafford to go look elsewhere. Then
they signed him back to a deal, and I believe
it may have been Jason, and I apologize. If if
it wasn't, then I forgot who said it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
But Kivin Jason credited, it's all yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Right, yeah, I apologize to the person that forgot it.
But this is a team that could have signed Aaron Rodgers, right,
that was a possibility this offseason.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
And if the.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Steelers have the season that Jason is talking about that
he thinks and there were wants Aaron Rodgers to have
and Matthew Stafford falls on his face what could have
been with the Rams. So there's that little twist to
it as well in a run it back sort of year,
because they're going to be in a quarterback market next
year for sure.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
They have two first round picks. Seems to be the
plan all along. I take Stafford over Rogers.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
He's been in the system a while now, and he's right,
he's he knows McVeigh, he knows the You know what.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I love is I was supporting your argument and then
that comment kind of like said that they shouldn't. The
point is is if Stafford is injured and its like
falls off, they did have other options at the position
that they chose to not go with, and they chose
to rather go with the oft injured Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
So if you're following along here for the listener, the
Doug doesn't think that Sam's topic rose to the level
of the segment.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Dan tried to agree with Sam, and Sam h h
went against him.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You got it, Nail, And that, my friends, is the midway.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I mean, I got criticized for he being praised on
my producer.
Speaker 10 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
I don't know where that criticism comes from.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Uh, it's it you can't.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Be too effusive.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Uh yeah, I don't know. Apparently apparently that's what took place.
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resident curmudgeon is also our producer. His name's Jason Stewart.
Without further ado, we find out who and what's annoying him.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Today, and now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Charles Barkley was on with Bill Simmons a Ringer podcast,
and they had this exchange about the NBA.
Speaker 10 (28:38):
I think the NBA has got a big problem. How
are regular fans kind of like, Okay, it's Tuesday. Special
names start putting games where do I go, Well, well,
like casino. Sometimes the game is going to be on
Peacock and like it's not gonna be on NBC. I
think that's a huge dilemma. I think it's a big
deal because they took all the money from all three networks.
(29:02):
I don't think they give about the fans, and I
think this is going to come back to bite them,
to be honest with you, And then the thing that's
scared is deal is for eleven years, so now people
can plan and all they want to for the next
eleven years. They don't give it about the fans. They're like, y'all,
if y'all find the game, fine, just make sure to
check clears.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
What I find annoying about this. Is this so Barkley
has him saying that the NBA doesn't give a crap
about the fans. I think carries weight, and I don't
think he's really I think he's he's right about one
thing and then and then he's off. I think the NBA,
every single decision they have made, from either a TV
rights standpoint or you know, the end season playoff standpoint,
(29:47):
or the the extension like playing game, it always serves
their like p ones. In other words, it always serves
their diehard NBA fans. So I think what Charles is
saying is that I don't think the NBA gives a
crap about the casuals. I'm certainly not going to go
to all the apps to find their product. I think
(30:08):
they're die hard fans will. But where Charles is right
is that the NBA has kind of lost sight. They're
running their league like it's some kind of a niche
league like the NHL or the WNBA, where they have
to cater to their die hard fans to keep them
as opposed to opening the tent to everybody else.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I look at it a little differently. I do. There
is a certain old man get off my lawn to
Barkley saying all these streaming services, It's like, that's actually
how young fans watch sports, right, And the old model
of cable or even network TV is a dying model,
(30:54):
so it is so much based upon perception. The other
part too, it is we'll still have network games, network television.
ABC is still a part of it, right, so it'll
still be there. These are all games that you previously
got on cable or couldn't get unless you had your
local cable package, and now you can get with a
streaming service. So I love Charles and I I don't know.
(31:21):
You could say he doesn't care about the fans, but
now you have no matter what service you have, or
if you don't have any service, you can have access
to games. So if we're go back, when Charles played,
you only saw the games that were on your local
channel or when they were on weekends on ABC. Right
now you can watch like every game played. So I
(31:41):
actually disagree with it.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
The Roger Goodell and the NFL are pretty brilliant for
bringing in all of Taylor Swift fans. So they brought
in a ton of casuals over the last eighteen year
or eighteen months. This is what Roger Goodell said in
an interview today about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
Is Taylor Swift invited to play the Super Bowl this
year the halftime show?
Speaker 7 (32:05):
We would always love to have Taylor play. She is
a special, special talent and obviously she would be welcoming anytime.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Is it in the works.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
I can't tell you anything about it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Is it a maybe?
Speaker 7 (32:17):
It's a maybe? Okay, Okay, well maybe it's a maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
At what point can we expect a decision to be announced.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
I'm waiting on my friend jay Z to be able to.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's in his hands.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
I'm waiting for the smoke to come out.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Okay, okay, good but you're a Swifty team, definitely Swift.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
That was on the Today Show. Goodell, Smart, you go
to Today's show, you talk about Taylor Swift, you bring
people into the tent.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
I get it.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
What's annoying is that I don't need to see Taylor
Swift perform songs at the halftime. I've said this and
Dan Bayer called me out on it. This pisses Dan off,
But I think Taylor Swift songs are made for teenage girls.
So me as a fifty two year old man. I
don't need to sit through ten to fifteen minutes of
Taylor Swift songs. I'm annoyed by that. And Dan will
(33:06):
be quick to tell me they're made for people of
all ages. I think they're made for teenage girls. I'm
not the audience. So I'm annoyed by the prospect of
Taylor Swift doing the halftime.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, I have the opposite opinion, not because I don't
agree with you, But isn't that the whole thing with
halftime show? It's you have to have a reason for
people who are not the p ones to pay attention
and watch the first half. It's like even better, like
why would a teenage girl watch the Super Bowl? She wouldn't.
Now it's grown into now where you have you know,
(33:40):
pre professionals and professional women and but yeah, that's that's
the target demo for halftime because its not the target
demo for the Super Bowl? What else? Who else annoying you?
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Franbur Valdez is a very good picture for the astros.
I think he's been up for like Cy Young recently
in recent years left hander. He gave up a Grand
Slam last night to Trent Grisham, who has a lot
of holes in his bat and Framber Valdez got so
pissed off at his catcher, Seesar Sanchez. I guess Sanchez
(34:13):
either called the wrong pitch or asked Framber to step
off the rubber. Whatever it is, you can find it
on John Boy right now if you look. There's a
breakdown of it. So this is how Framber Valdez chose
to handle his catcher. The next batter, his catcher called
for a curveball, was expecting a curveball, and Framber Valdez
threw it right down the middle into the wrist of
(34:35):
his catcher to cross him up. A ninety six mile
hour fastball to the wrist, to cross up your catcher,
and to I guess, punish him for how he called
a pitcher earlier. They spoke and say that they're good,
and the Framber apologized. Somebody's line and I think it's
Framber Valdez. I think that was a bush league move
(34:59):
by an awful player on a cheating team.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Tell me how you really feel. Ah, that was awesome.
That was awesome. Uh can I can I throw in one?
And and Dan Byro if you have one, that's something
that's annoying you, I have one. I have and again
I'm giving credit to you, Jaysetu for going. You need
to watch the Cowboys documentary. The the Michael Irvin aspect
(35:30):
of it is so good because, as you pointed out
Jayce dou, he's one of like two people who would
talk about the White House, and no one else talked
about it. It's like, hey, you know, it's a documentary.
You don't have to tell him anything if you don't
want to tell him anything. It's basically a Jerry Jones
promo piece, but it was. It was kind of It's
(35:53):
annoying to me that they let Michael Irvin get away
with basically saying, hey, from the end of the season
until April, he could party and do whatever he wanted.
That's when he got caught with cocaine. When there was
no follow up to like, well did you do cocaine
in the season? Were you a drug addict? Like what
was because there's all these conflicting Hey, I only did
(36:15):
it in it in the spring, Yet you went to
the White to the White House, which was a residential
house where they had all these orgies and drugs or whatever. Again,
it's all assumed in there, but you have a guy,
you have guys sitting chairs. And the other one that
they didn't do in the documentary was there's no discussion
about Skip Bayless telling people that Troy Aikman was gay, right, Like,
(36:40):
you're gonna have racist allegations in there, but you're not
gonna have and Skip was in the dock. Troy Aikman's
in the dock. It was a gigantic story. It's still
kind of a story. It laid the groundwork for why
Troy Aikman does not like Skip Bayless wasn't discussed. It's
to noy by.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
You got anything that annoying you just a once you've
complimented Jay Stu or complimented Jay Stue the show. It's
been like nineteen times you've said what a great job
Jay Stu has just I mean, Sam, like, can you
agree like it's been over the top, don't it's been disproportionate?
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Yeah, yes, I agree. That's a that's a good way.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
To play disproportionate ass kicking of our producer, Doug Gottliebiz.
All right, it's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. The Great E O'Connor joins us he's a
calmnist for the Athletic but he co authored a book
with you Got a Head Coach Danny Hurley called Never
Stop Life, Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great.
(37:41):
It's available later this month. You can preorder it now. Ian,
thanks so much for joining us. Their Hurly name is
synonymous with basketball, and Danny was, you know, as players.
He was the other brother. And now he's won you know,
two national championships as a head coach and doing it
in his own kind of unique way. What was the
(38:04):
impetus of the idea of writing a book with it?
When did this actually start?
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I've known Danny and now known as Dan. He wants
it that way, but some people refused to call him Dan.
They still call him Danny, and we all from my generation.
I'm sixty one and I knew Danny when he was
six years old, and so I've been around his father
and that family for a long time, And remember seeing
(38:28):
Bob Hurley senior coaching at Saint Anthony's in Jersey City
back in the day when Bobby and Danny were really young,
and almost being terrified of him when I was in
eighth grade watching him coach the intensity was off the charts. Well,
you see the same intensity in Dan today at Yukon,
and that was the rocket fuel behind their two national championships.
(38:52):
And so what we saw this year Doug, as you know,
is a lot of criticism for his approach on the sideline.
But before we got to that point, after he won
that second national title, I called him and I said, Dan,
you should write a book. This is your time. You
came off back to back national championships, which is incredibly
hard to do. You have a great backstory with your family,
(39:16):
and I assumed he had a writer already in mind,
somebody maybe in Connecticut who had covered him. And I
was under contract to do finished another two books, so
I was fine. I just said, you don't need to
do this with me, but you should do a book
with somebody. And I meant that and he said, no,
if I'm going to do it, i'd want to do
it with you. And then we talked about the what's
(39:38):
the vision for the book? And one thing led to another,
and here we are today, where a few weeks away
from the official launch of the book, which is now
available on Amazon of course in other places. But yeah,
it was me calling him saying, Dan, you need to
do a book with somebody. It doesn't have to be me,
and he decided that I was the right person to
do it with.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
How is he in real life as compared to the
in front of the camera life.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I think that Dan is a sensitive guy, and I
do think that things like the criticism he faced last
season did really bother him. But Dan is a very
loving and loyal person. And I think the one thing
that readers would be surprised at not you, because you're
a Division one coach and you've been around the game forever.
(40:27):
But Dan does not yell at his individual players during
a game. Now, in a timeout, he might yell at
the group, and certainly in practice it can be a
full contact experience, but during games, when he's going nuts
on the rest and occasionally even getting into it with
the opposing head coach or his assistant, he does not
(40:50):
scream individually at the players because he understood what that
felt like when he was a college player at Seaton
Hall and it didn't make him feel good. So he's
more of a cornerman during games, a supporter, as someone
who encourages you, gives you confidence, and I think that's
been missed in the coverage of him nationally and the
way he's perceived, And to be honest with you, I
(41:12):
wasn't necessarily aware of that either when I started the process,
but I think that and that is what's most important
to me when it comes to college athletics, is how
the adults treat the young men or women who are
on their teams, on their rosters. And I think Dan,
if you talk to his players, they don't want to
(41:33):
play for anybody else. They swear by him to a kid,
to a player, and that's something that I wanted to
bring out in this book and I hopefully we did.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Stuck Gottleib show here on Fox Sports Radio in O'Connor
as our guest. The new book is called Never Stop Life,
Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. He co
authored it with two time National championship head coach Danny
Hurley or Dan Hurley. I there's there are so many
different aspects to his life and his path to this
(42:07):
to success which are interesting, but some of it has
been told through TV. When you know you make the
final fours, people they try and do these personal interest
stories and tell things. What's one that's in the book
that people don't.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Know well the depth of his depression that he suffered
as a student at s Eaton Hall. He gets to
some pretty dark places. I'm not sure the average fan
is necessarily fully aware of that, and I think in
the book bringing out his humanity was important to me.
And there was an excerpt today on the athletics website
(42:45):
about Dan really struggling after this past season, really human
thoughts about should I resign three decades straight of high
intensity coaching without a break, without a single break, for
a very challenging and difficult season against measured against their
standard of winning national championships, and the criticism he took
(43:07):
left him very vulnerable and thinking about walking away. Do
I need to resign as the head coach of the
Yukon Huskies. And he was very candid with me about
that human struggle he felt and the price you pay
to compete at the highest levels of college sports today,
and also the changing nature of the game where now
(43:28):
recruiting is all about how much can you pay a kid?
And that's not the way he was raised in the business.
Recruiting is about relationships, or at least they used to be,
and also having a great program that would attract people.
And really, now it comes down and how much are
you going to pay me? And I know I never
thought it would get to that point in college sports.
I'm sixty one years old, and if you told me
(43:51):
that forty years ago this would be the case, I
never would have believed it. And I think he's a
similar mindset. But all that sort of put together in
a cauldron of bubbling emotion left him in a place
where he thought about walking away. Now, he didn't leave
yukon the previous summer, despite being offered seventy million dollars
(44:12):
to coach the most glamorous franchise in the NBA, the Lakers,
And this time he didn't walk away either. I guess
the author of Never Stop should not stop, and he didn't.
But I think that that will surprise the reader is
just how emotionally cooked he was at the end of
last season, how he was sitting there just wondering if
he should even continue as a college coach. He ultimately
(44:34):
decided to come back, and they have a really good roster,
a better roster than they had last year. But I
think that'll be surprising the most readers.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And did I read write that he nearly left just
to be an analyst at Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
He had some conversations with he told me a TV executive.
Andrew Marshan reported today it was Fox. Now it makes
sense his former agent, Jordan Design is a box executives.
So yeah, I think that that was something he thought
he could do for one year, basically, take a gap year,
do some TV and then recharge and come back. Now
(45:11):
he'd have to come back somewhere else in college basketball
or the NBA. I do think, and this is really
more my opinion, I think he will coach in the
NBA before he retires. I do think that he wants
to scratch that itch, if you will take that shot,
at some point. I think he wants to win another
national championship or two at Yukon. So I think he'll
(45:32):
be at Yukon for a number of years before he
possibly makes that move. And again, this is really more
my opinion. But if you told me he was head
coach of the New York Knicks seven years from now,
I would not be surprised.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
That. Being said, there are very few coaches who are
as animated, maybe any that as animated as he is
in the pros, What do you think of the adjustment
he'll have to make to coach in the NBA in
terms of his approach.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
It's a great question, Doug. And he does believe like
his father. Now. I was surprised when he told me
this that his father, as he got older, mellowed out
a little bit and got a little kinder and gentler
and maybe a little more user friendly or player friendly.
I was surprised that he made that observation, and he
suspects the same thing will happen to him now. It's
(46:28):
hard to believe looking at Dan Hurley today that you
could see him calming down, for lack of a better expression,
as he gets into his mid to late fifties. But
he believes that will happen and make him then more
compatible with what the NBA is, as we all know,
it's a players league, and so listen. He fiercely considered
the Lakers, and he did believe he could coach Lebron James.
(46:52):
And I said to him later, you know, if you
knew Luca was going to be traded there, would you
have taken that job? And he said, no, I would
have made the same decision because I'm not really ready
to coach in the NBA yet, and I think I
do need to change a little bit, and along the
lines of what he said, his father went through that change.
So I again the way I look at it, the
(47:14):
way I look at his career after spending a lot
of time with him last season, I do believe that
he will take on that challenge as the last challenge
of a great career. To me, he's already a Hall
of Famer as a college coach, but to take that
last stepp and prove he can do it at the
highest level, I do think that's something that intrigues him
(47:35):
down the road in something that he ultimately will do.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
What's the dynamics of the family, Like, you know, Bobby
was always the star growing up. Now Bobby has had
a successful but kind of up and down coaching career,
whereas Danny we mentioned before how he was you as
a player, the slow and steady climb and now the
CHAMPIONI coach. Of course, the dad is the legend. What's
(48:00):
the dynamics of that family like now?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, I think everyone is. Everyone gets along and supports
each other. And obviously their father's now retired, but he's
arguably the greatest high school boys basketball coach ever in
this country, and Morgan Wooton would be in that conversation
as well. I think that it's interesting, right the dynamic
has flipped where and he was the other player and
(48:25):
now Bobby is sort of the other coach. But Bobby
has a very, very challenging job, and he has done
a good job at Arizona State, but that is a
tough job. The conference are in now, and it's not
really a basketball school. I actually lived on that campus
right next to the arena back in nineteen eighty six
eighty seven out of college, and so I know a
(48:47):
little bit about Arizona State and its history, and it's
just not a basketball school. So I do think Bobby
has done a good job there and will continue to
do so. But Dan, you know, he's showing up at Yukon.
That's not easy either because the standard there was national championships.
Jim Calhoun won three, Kevin Ollie won one, and it's
amazing that story on the women's side and the men's side.
(49:08):
What a school in stores Connecticut has done in college
basketball women's and men's divisions is unbelievable, and when you
look at where it's located. So Dan when he arrived
at Yukon, he had to win national championships and he's
done that. He's done an incredible job measuring up to
that expectation, and I do think he'll win another one
(49:29):
or two certainly before he ever leaves that school, and
it might be this year. The motto last year was dynasty.
You could have that same motto this year if they win.
If they win three out of four, that's certainly a dynasty.
Last year a disappointment, but hey, he almost beat the
ultimate national champion in Florida in the second round the
(49:50):
NCAA tournament. That to me, was a testament to Dan's
coaching ability with that roster. I thought Dan the coach
really outperformed that Dan the GM last year and actually
did a very good job with what he had to
work with. And he almost picked off Florida in the
second round, and that shouldn't be forgotten.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Ian O'Connor, you got to check out this new book.
It's outstanding as thanking. Anything he writes is one. Read
his work in the athletic follo him on social media
and pick up Never Stop Life Leadership, What it Takes
to be Great. It's available later this month. You can
pre order it now. He co authored it with two
time National Championship head coach Dan Hurley. Ian, you're the
(50:30):
best man. Let's talk in soon. Thanks for being our guest.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Hey Doug, thanks so much and best of luck in
Green Bay this year
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The challenge is for Jason Stewart to find people who
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to sell everything, right, the ultimate salesperson can sell ice
to the Eskimos. That's the expression. You have to have
a BS in BS and so Jerry Jones who has
And we'll get into it a little bit later. I
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(01:33):
if you're going to watch a documentary, you need to
watch The Cowboys America's team documentary, which I have been
and I'm so glad he suggested it because there's so
much good content and interesting stuff. But again, like he is,
Jerry Jones a salesman. He's even now selling on Good
Morning America. The reasons he pulled to mic Up Parsonsdale off.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
We have two kinds of capital or currency in the NFL.
One of them is picks and the other is the
financial because every team is limited to the same amount
of resources to spend. And having said that, Mica enabled
us to have four, possibly as many as six players
for the future. That's a good trade. When you need numbers,
(02:18):
I'll take the numbers every time.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Okay, So suddenly it's basically responsible Jerry biscally responsible. Jerry
and you know, really this is the Khalil Mack when
he was traded from the Raiders to the Bears sort
of trade. But he's not given us the real reel,
which is, wait, how'd you go from agreeing to a
(02:41):
deal to trading him? That's a big stretch. And so
there's no talk about the breakdown in the relationship with
the agent, David Mulghetto, who they clearly didn't want to
do business with. We act like Jerry was being sneaky
and doing a deal without the agent, which is probably sneaky,
but the reality is the reason they probably just want
(03:03):
to work together. Hey, I'm not working with that guy.
You want to get a deal done with Dallas, Here's
how we're gonna do it. So that wasn't asked. We
don't know. We can only assume, and the assumption is
that they have no relationship, especially now because Micah got
the deal that he wanted and he just had to
switch teams, get on a plane and play go from
(03:28):
one historic franchise to another. But the more you try
and explain it, the more you know it's bull crap, right,
I mean, any of us who've told a Wendy told
a story that wasn't true. We know the more you
try and explain it, the more you go into expert
(03:51):
detail over everything. No, no, what really happened was the
more we know it's bull. So do I think that
what he's saying isn't true?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I think what he's saying in that trading Micah Parsons
opens up a path for not just the draft picks,
but money to acquire a bunch of a bunch of players.
That's great, but he's one of a handful of dynamic
players that can completely change a football game because he
can be unblockable. So you have to balance those two
(04:25):
things out. And we're operating as if this was some
really well thought out Hey, we're gonna move off of
Micah because we need more assets, and this is what
we all If that's what you were gonna do, great,
could have done the summer.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
You know, when you get to a week and a
half before your first game and you're forced to take
a little bit less and have a little bit have
far fewer teams bidding on Micah Parsons. Business fluctuations make
running a bit manufacturing business complex, but staffing your business doesn'
have to be let express and played professionals, provide a
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you that's expresspros dot com. I. You know, it's it's
fascinating there where Jerry. When you watch the documentary early
on with Jimmy Johnson, you know, there's like the trophy
and he's clutching it and you know, the best thing
he did was hire Jimmy Johnson. Then Jimmy Johnson can't
(05:26):
take his meddling and so he hires his boy, Barry Switzer.
When Barry Switzer wins it, Barry Switzer's like, we did
this together, we did it our way. Yeah, this is
Jerry's trying to say, I'm gonna do it my way.
And even though he's changing narratives midway through, you know
from Micah Parsons is gonna be a cowboy. He wanted
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to be a cowboy for a long time to know
this is all the plan all along. We're gonna trade
him and get the resources to acquire a couple guys.
The draft picks to acquire two guys. It's just good
with Good Morning a Mayor Emerica. It works because there's
no real pushback on that show. There's no real, Hey,
that's not actually how it works on a football show,
there would be. So he's smart enough to know to
(06:10):
keep the discussion going. He's smart enough to know that
all this attention only helps the attention on the Netflix documentary.
He's smart enough to know that if you go on
Good Morning America, they don't double back with you on
a football question or as Good Morning Football would. So
he's no dope. But he's also not being honest, not
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being honest anybody else of the mindset that this is
going to be a bad game tomorrow night. And I
bring it up because, as Jason has pointed out, these
teams don't practice enough. They're not sharp even mid season.
(06:54):
The product is and what we'd like now, they've been
without Micah Parsons all preseasons, so it's not like you
had a quarterback or you had a running back and
now he's just Hey, he got traded and he's not playing.
But no one thinks the Cowboys are going to be
great this year? Do we like? They're interesting? They went
out and got George Pickens, talented guy, but he's got
(07:16):
to be their number two. You have two really talented
wide receivers and a good quarterback, but what wins your
games is your ability to pressure the quarterback, and you
gave away the best one that had in the game.
You gotta be able run the football, not turnover. I
don't know if they have that, and it's not like
if they get to the playoffs. Dak has been great before.
(07:39):
But I just think you're at a bit of a
talent disadvantage against the Eagles. And I will grant you
that the Eagles, we don't know what we're gonna see
from them because of their coordinator changes. But they have
Saquon they have Jalen Hurts, they got a good although
different offensive line. It doesn't feel like it be a
(08:02):
great game fired obviously. I know with I want your
flex you do view things from a fantasy perspective, But
what's your perspective on tomorrow's game? In general?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
I think that it's tough, even though recent history has
showed that the road team can go in and win
a game. We've had this game for about twenty twenty
five years or so, dates back to two thousand and two,
and only six times has the road team won. Now
they've won two out of the last three years. We
saw the Lions go to Kansas City and win a game,
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and then the Bills beat the Rams in LA for
that season opening contest. But I just think that there's
so much juice for the opener for the defending Super
Bowl champs that the Cowboys, no matter what the deficits
that they may have on defense, are just behind the
eight ball because of that game and what it all means.
(08:56):
So I don't think the bottom is going to fall
out for dalla Us this year because I think offensively
they're going to be fine. I just don't know how
they're going to be defensively. I just think tomorrow is
a really tough spot for them, and I felt that
the Eagles along your lines. I don't know if you're
saying both teams aren't gonna play well, but I just
feel that the Eagles are going to be the better
team tomorrow night.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yes, that's that's my feeling. That's my feeling. We're still
gonna watch, just like again, Jase, do you nailed Oh gosh, yes,
No matter what they put out their first NFL game
Thursday night, Cowboys Eagles, We're gonna watch, but we should
watch knowing shouldn't have huge expectations of it. Being a
well played or even a particularly competitive football game. On
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some level.
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the way, Matt Mosley, columnists for Fox Sports, co host
of the Doomsday podcast covering the Cowboys. We'll ask him
about tomorrow night's game, but really the mojo around the Star,
especially with the trading of Michael Parsons late last week.
(10:32):
We could go, yeah, tomorrow, but we do this every week.
It's a Wednesday, it's the middle of the day, the
middle of the show, the middle of the week. So
let's get to the midway.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
It's not getting in the middle, It's time for the.
Speaker 5 (10:49):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Okay. I love the topic that Jason Stewart proposed. See
I'm telling you, Dan Byer, I'm not saying I love
Jason Stewart. I love the topic that he proposed.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
There he proposed two of them. Well.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I liked the one where he talked about best storylines
in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Great job, great job.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Are you okay with that one?
Speaker 7 (11:12):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I responded to the text, which I know is a
big thing with Jason.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Usually my no response was I'm fine with it, and
in this one I was fine.
Speaker 7 (11:22):
With both of them.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
No.
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Doug responded, Oh he did do? Responded, He said, crap,
power is out.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Oh no. I I got home from I was at
practice when the text came through, and then I talked
talked to Jason on the phone, and then I got
to my house and I'm like, why it's so dark
in here. There's a big thunderstorm at my house this
morning and I hadn't been home and I didn't realized
the power was out. So instead of going and toggling
the breaker and getting it back on, which I sent
(11:49):
something to do, I just came to my office to
the show. So. Uh, but I find so this one
I wrote.
Speaker 8 (11:55):
I wrote two ideas today. The one, or you are
most intrigued by this NFL season. Now this comes with
I have to I feel the need to add instructions
a caveat. Don't sam up your answers. Don't Iowa sam
up your answers. In other words, one story, Offer the
one most intriguing story this NFL season, and dig down
(12:19):
on that one. We'll have a conversation. It'll be fun.
Or since Doug recently saw the Cowboys documentary, a conversation
about that and how the Jerry Jones story played out
this week?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Uh, Bayer, do you have a yes? Which one do
you want better? Which one do you like?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Storylines? Because we're gonna talk Cowboys with Matt Moseley.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I'm there with you. What about you, JASEU? Are you
okay with that?
Speaker 8 (12:44):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I like we got three and we didn't even ask
Sam Samuel filibuster. Let's get to it. Uh, Jay Su
you proposed it. What's your one storyline that you want
to dive deep into.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Well, I'm always going to skew negative, uh, but this
time I'm going positive. What I'm gonna switch it up
on you? Zig when you zag? It's called around here
at the Gottlieb Aaron Rodgers. I need to have a
successful season. I need Aaron Rodgers to have such a
(13:16):
successful season that all the naysayers and all the haters.
If you've noticed, guys, it's been eerily quiet about Aaron
Rodgers this summer. Like there just hasn't been a whole
lot of noise. It's unusual. I think he did one
hit on McAfee. I don't know if he's been told
he can't do anymore McAfee, but it's been unusually quiet.
(13:39):
And I want him just to carry the stoicness into
the season to fifteen wins.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I road for fifteen games in the topest division in the.
Speaker 8 (13:50):
NFL, fifteen and two fifteen, and I need him to
do that. I'm rooting for that. And I just know
that if it's if it is his swan song, I
want it to be a six cessful one, maybe even
an MVP one. So we could just kind of rub
it in the faces of everybody who's been talking crap
the last four years.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
This is such a from the thoughtful contrarian. Jason Stewart
just deviates. We know he's a Dodgers fan, Doug. We
know he's a Chargers fan, but he usually roots for chaos,
or in his words, he calls it content. Yep, he
calls it content. Yet there's this personal tie with Aaron Rodgers.
(14:29):
I mean, heck Ian O'Connor booked on the show, wrote
the Aaron Rodgers book. There is this love of Aaron
Rodgers that seems to rise above all else when it
comes to Jason.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, even a smoking that girlfriend I think mentioned it
like she's uncomfortable.
Speaker 8 (14:45):
Would you argue, Dan that him thriving this season would
be content because so many people want and expect him
to fail, that him doing well is will well make
them uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I I do think that that would be content, But
I also feel that arch Manning doing well is content,
and Jason feels it's the opposite that arch Manning not
doing well is content, correct, yep. And I just think
if arch doesn't play well, he just we all just
fall into the swamp of college football where there's so
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many teams and schools. If Texas is ranked twenty fourth,
we're not going to care about Arch Manning at that point,
where I guess you could say if the Steelers are
six and six, and maybe we're not going to care
so much about Aaron Rodgers to that point and that
it's just over because we expect this to be his
last season.
Speaker 8 (15:39):
I just needed to be fifteen and two. I'm rooting
for every week.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Let's go, Okay, what's the storyline I.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
Do want to do?
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You just want to say one thing on that. I
think that we just did a conversation of toughest division
with AFC West and NFC North, and Doug you said
AFC West by far, and I think that's absolutely fair
to say that. But when you do look at that
AFC North and you see the Ravens, who are a
(16:09):
Super Bowl pick of many, so there's one hurdle to
get to. Then you bring in the rest of the
AFC West that we expect to be wild card contenders. Cincinnati,
we think is going to score points but not stop anyone.
The point is is it's just a tough road in
the AFC. It really is, and so you're gonna need
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Aaron Rodgers to be good because I don't think that
that defense, for as strong as they are, can carry
a team to the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
So I'll just say that on the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
My one story is, and I said this a month ago, guys,
I think Caleb Williams and the Bears and specifically just
with Caleb Williams. Now, we're got to wait to Monday
night to see how his opener is. But there are
so many things that are going against Caleb Williams right
now to succeed. And this was the generational talent. This
(17:04):
was the can't miss guy. And not only is he
possibly a miss guy, he's on a franchise that has
never had a guy at quarterback, and he's in a
draft class that was full of quarterbacks that so far
have succeeded, especially the one that was picked right after
him in Jayden Daniels. So there are so many layers
(17:27):
to the Caleb Williams conversation. And now you bring Ben
Johnson into the mix. Who else would you want to
have brought in to work with a quarterback? And if
it doesn't work, I don't know what the Bears do.
But Caleb Williams to me, is the story to start
out the twenty twenty five NFL season.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It is interesting though we talked about his can't miss,
wasn't Trevor Lawrence can't miss?
Speaker 7 (17:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
But I don't I don't think he's a failure.
Speaker 8 (17:54):
Yeah, Trevor Lawrence's dad didn't say that my kid's going
to break the rules of the NFL draft and we're
going to seek ownership of the team.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
And stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I also, I actually felt like the hype for
Trevor Lawrence was more when he was a freshman at
Clemson than him entering the draft. Granted, urban Meyer and
Jacksonville were set on taking him number one, but I
would even think, like, I mean, Joe Burrow is coming
off of a Heisman trophy in a national championship season.
(18:25):
But I don't know if we looked at Joe Burrow
like we put Caleb Williams into this. I honestly I
felt like we put him into a generational quarterback, not
just all pro caliber quarterback super Bowl winning like generational
is won every ten one every fifteen when every twenty
five years, And I felt we did that with Caleb Williams.
(18:45):
And now we're about to be one plus year into
the ten year and we could already be souring on him.
That's that's my personal feel.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I think it's all in this first game. The storyline
is Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, which one's gonna get
to Super Bowl. Oh they ever get to Super Bowl.
You're talking about a guy. You're talking about MVPs, multiple
MVPs with Lamar Jackson, and you know it's like, we
(19:19):
could sit there and go, well, Patrick Ewing didn't make
the NBA Finals because Michael Jordan was always in his
way and the only time they did make is when
Michael Jordan wasn't there. Like that's great and all, okay,
but no one judges Patrick Ewing at all at the
level of Michael Jordan. Matter of fact, in many ways
by a younger generation, he's kind of a forgotten star
because he just could. I feel like Lamar Jackson and
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Josh Allen are godlike figures viewed as top five quarterbacks
in the NFL, and here we are again where you're
gonna have a chance at some point, you got to
get there. That's the storyline of me.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I will say that on the heels of that, I
find it very interesting because I think if neither of
them do it, then it'll be really interesting. But even
if one makes it, that means that the other one doesn't.
And I think that there is a change happening with
that team. Like the Ravens think if they don't make
it this year, it's how many more years does Dereck
Henry have If the Bills don't make it this year?
(20:17):
It's like, all right, is Sean McDermott really the guy
that you want to be as the head coach? Like
there are those things that I think come into play
in how those teams change, and if neither of them
make it, maybe both teams make changes. But I mean,
I just got done watching the hard Knocks that nobody want,
you know, wanted to watch, and it sure felt like
it was a precursor to a oh my gosh, this
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could be the year for the Buffalo Bills, And rarely
do those things turn out that way.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
No, And if Lamar, though, does fail again, like, is
there like a threshold of how many times you can
choke fail?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
It's a great question. Okay, So the Gray never made
it out of the first round of the NBA playoffs
until he had retired, came back and he was like
a end of the bench guy with the spurs, right,
So I don't think that eliminates that. Tracy McGrady like
never made the playoffs as a starter. I made it
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out of the first round the playoffs as a starter.
How is that possible? I mean, I know that Yaoming
got hurt a couple of times, but he couldn't make
out the first round is crazy? Crazy? Anyway to to
answer your question, how many years do you get? Kind
of in football, it's kind of eternity. You kind of
get to you're done right. Uh, Marino hadn't got to
(21:44):
one early, then never got to one again, lots of
There's lots of guys that have never won a super Bowl.
But to never get to a super Bowl, no matter
how stacked the AFC is, when he's had some of
the best defenses, he's been a multi time league MVP. Yeah,
I think he would get his whole career, But if
we're honest, it's got to feel like there's like a
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three more year window when he should be a favorite.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
To get that ree, you're gonna give him three more
years of choking.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
No, No, three more years where he's a favorite. So
how old is Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
At gosh, thirty, thirty one, twenty I was gonna say
twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I don't even know, Sam Google machine, he's twenty eight,
twenty eight.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Okay, feels like.
Speaker 9 (22:30):
He's been in the league for fifteen years, he's been
league for a minute now.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Well, it's also because they're always in it. Yes, yes,
they are always a topic of conversation. I think that
the conversation with Lamar this year is truly like it's
going to be difficult to match what he did passing
last year because his passing numbers were so ridiculous. It
is one of the best passing years we've ever seen
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a quarterback have in the National Football League. Just by
the eye, they would say there'd have to be some
sort of regression from that. You're just so that's that
what I think what I think could be at play here.
But when we're talking about Lamar, like, does he go
into the if he if they don't win, does he
just go into the Philip Rivers category, Because there's no
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denying on how good of a quarterback that he is,
and he had an argument to win a third MVPs.
Just they're not getting it done in the playoffs. And
I wouldn't call last year's loss in Buffalo a choke.
They didn't win that game, just like I don't know
if the Bills choked against Kansas City. I just feel
they just didn't win that game. So when we're talking
(23:38):
about Lamar, does he fall from because Rivers was in
a class lower than Brady and Manning and Breeze because
he didn't have the Super Bowl. But I don't think
that we look less of Philip Rivers as a player
and calling him a choker by any means.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
We don't. But I think there are people who do.
Philip never an MVP as well. To be a multi
time MVP and to not get to the Super Bowl
in a quarterback driven league, yeah, I'd say probably four years,
four or five more years of it, Jay stew But again,
(24:14):
once he hits thirty that the likelly it is, the
running gets less and less, and when you take away
the running is a dynamic. He's good, but he's not elite.
Where he's incredibly dynamic is he's the best running quarterback
any of us have ever seen. He's improved as a passer.
The only times that gets marginalized just when he's in
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the playoffs. Sam, you got one?
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Sure.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
Oh there's so many storylines I could hog right now,
but for the sake of time, let's go over to
the West coast.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
So there's you know, I think that the Rams can go.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
As far as Matthew Stafford's bad back can carry them.
I think if he stays healthy, this is definitely a
contender in the NFC West and for a Super Bowl
CHAMPI chip, but you know he was late to come
back to practice. He's practicing now, but it's the back
and of the aging matt Stafford. When he's healthy, he's fantastic.
And they got weapons, they got a great line, they
(25:11):
got you know, their their offen should be ready to go.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I guess my issue is I guess my issue is
it's an interesting storyline. But yeah, we know we hadn't
gotten to what the Lions are like the Packers go
for it with Michael Parsons. You feel like last time
they went for it was Reggie White. I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:30):
I mean that's the one number one around.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yeah, it is okay on the heels of that, and
I think it's something that we didn't talk about. The
Rams did tell Matthew Stafford to go look elsewhere. Then
they signed him back to a deal, and I believe
it may have been Jason, and I apologize. If if
it wasn't, then I forgot who said it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
But Kivin Jason credited, it's all yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
Right, yeah, I apologize to the person that forgot it.
But this is a team that could have signed Aaron Rodgers, right,
that was a possibility this offseason.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
And if the.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Steelers have the season that Jason is talking about that
he thinks and there were wants Aaron Rodgers to have
and Matthew Stafford falls on his face what could have
been with the Rams. So there's that little twist to
it as well in a run it back sort of year,
because they're going to be in a quarterback market next
year for sure.
Speaker 7 (26:18):
They have two first round picks. Seems to be the
plan all along. I take Stafford over Rogers.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
He's been in the system a while now, and he's right,
he's he knows McVeigh, he knows the You know what.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I love is I was supporting your argument and then
that comment kind of like said that they shouldn't. The
point is is if Stafford is injured and its like
falls off, they did have other options at the position
that they chose to not go with, and they chose
to rather go with the oft injured Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 8 (26:54):
So if you're following along here for the listener, the
Doug doesn't think that Sam's topic rose to the level
of the segment.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Dan tried to agree with Sam, and Sam h h
went against him.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
You got it, Nail, And that, my friends, is the midway.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
I mean, I got criticized for he being praised on
my producer.
Speaker 10 (27:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (27:22):
I don't know where that criticism comes from.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Uh, it's it you can't.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Be too effusive.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Uh yeah, I don't know. Apparently apparently that's what took place.
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just search Doug Gottlieb Show and subscribe. Uh. This is
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break out on radio because it's always so good. Our
resident curmudgeon is also our producer. His name's Jason Stewart.
Without further ado, we find out who and what's annoying him.
Speaker 6 (28:21):
Today, and now it's your annoying, Hey, Doug.
Speaker 8 (28:32):
Charles Barkley was on with Bill Simmons a Ringer podcast,
and they had this exchange about the NBA.
Speaker 10 (28:38):
I think the NBA has got a big problem. How
are regular fans kind of like, Okay, it's Tuesday. Special
names start putting games where do I go, Well, well,
like casino. Sometimes the game is going to be on
Peacock and like it's not gonna be on NBC. I
think that's a huge dilemma. I think it's a big
deal because they took all the money from all three networks.
(29:02):
I don't think they give about the fans, and I
think this is going to come back to bite them,
to be honest with you, And then the thing that's
scared is deal is for eleven years, so now people
can plan and all they want to for the next
eleven years. They don't give it about the fans. They're like, y'all,
if y'all find the game, fine, just make sure to
check clears.
Speaker 8 (29:23):
What I find annoying about this. Is this so Barkley
has him saying that the NBA doesn't give a crap
about the fans. I think carries weight, and I don't
think he's really I think he's he's right about one
thing and then and then he's off. I think the NBA,
every single decision they have made, from either a TV
rights standpoint or you know, the end season playoff standpoint,
(29:47):
or the the extension like playing game, it always serves
their like p ones. In other words, it always serves
their diehard NBA fans. So I think what Charles is
saying is that I don't think the NBA gives a
crap about the casuals. I'm certainly not going to go
to all the apps to find their product. I think
(30:08):
they're die hard fans will. But where Charles is right
is that the NBA has kind of lost sight. They're
running their league like it's some kind of a niche
league like the NHL or the WNBA, where they have
to cater to their die hard fans to keep them
as opposed to opening the tent to everybody else.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I look at it a little differently. I do. There
is a certain old man get off my lawn to
Barkley saying all these streaming services, It's like, that's actually
how young fans watch sports, right, And the old model
of cable or even network TV is a dying model,
(30:54):
so it is so much based upon perception. The other
part too, it is we'll still have network games, network television.
ABC is still a part of it, right, so it'll
still be there. These are all games that you previously
got on cable or couldn't get unless you had your
local cable package, and now you can get with a
streaming service. So I love Charles and I I don't know.
(31:21):
You could say he doesn't care about the fans, but
now you have no matter what service you have, or
if you don't have any service, you can have access
to games. So if we're go back, when Charles played,
you only saw the games that were on your local
channel or when they were on weekends on ABC. Right
now you can watch like every game played. So I
(31:41):
actually disagree with it.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
The Roger Goodell and the NFL are pretty brilliant for
bringing in all of Taylor Swift fans. So they brought
in a ton of casuals over the last eighteen year
or eighteen months. This is what Roger Goodell said in
an interview today about Taylor Swift.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
Is Taylor Swift invited to play the Super Bowl this
year the halftime show?
Speaker 7 (32:05):
We would always love to have Taylor play. She is
a special, special talent and obviously she would be welcoming anytime.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Is it in the works.
Speaker 7 (32:15):
I can't tell you anything about it.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Is it a maybe?
Speaker 7 (32:17):
It's a maybe? Okay, Okay, well maybe it's a maybe.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
At what point can we expect a decision to be announced.
Speaker 8 (32:24):
I'm waiting on my friend jay Z to be able to.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
It's in his hands.
Speaker 10 (32:30):
I'm waiting for the smoke to come out.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Okay, okay, good but you're a Swifty team, definitely Swift.
Speaker 8 (32:36):
That was on the Today Show. Goodell, Smart, you go
to Today's show, you talk about Taylor Swift, you bring
people into the tent.
Speaker 7 (32:42):
I get it.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
What's annoying is that I don't need to see Taylor
Swift perform songs at the halftime. I've said this and
Dan Bayer called me out on it. This pisses Dan off,
But I think Taylor Swift songs are made for teenage girls.
So me as a fifty two year old man. I
don't need to sit through ten to fifteen minutes of
Taylor Swift songs. I'm annoyed by that. And Dan will
(33:06):
be quick to tell me they're made for people of
all ages. I think they're made for teenage girls. I'm
not the audience. So I'm annoyed by the prospect of
Taylor Swift doing the halftime.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Well, I have the opposite opinion, not because I don't
agree with you, But isn't that the whole thing with
halftime show? It's you have to have a reason for
people who are not the p ones to pay attention
and watch the first half. It's like even better, like
why would a teenage girl watch the Super Bowl? She wouldn't.
Now it's grown into now where you have you know,
(33:40):
pre professionals and professional women and but yeah, that's that's
the target demo for halftime because its not the target
demo for the Super Bowl? What else? Who else annoying you?
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Franbur Valdez is a very good picture for the astros.
I think he's been up for like Cy Young recently
in recent years left hander. He gave up a Grand
Slam last night to Trent Grisham, who has a lot
of holes in his bat and Framber Valdez got so
pissed off at his catcher, Seesar Sanchez. I guess Sanchez
(34:13):
either called the wrong pitch or asked Framber to step
off the rubber. Whatever it is, you can find it
on John Boy right now if you look. There's a
breakdown of it. So this is how Framber Valdez chose
to handle his catcher. The next batter, his catcher called
for a curveball, was expecting a curveball, and Framber Valdez
threw it right down the middle into the wrist of
(34:35):
his catcher to cross him up. A ninety six mile
hour fastball to the wrist, to cross up your catcher,
and to I guess, punish him for how he called
a pitcher earlier. They spoke and say that they're good,
and the Framber apologized. Somebody's line and I think it's
Framber Valdez. I think that was a bush league move
(34:59):
by an awful player on a cheating team.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Tell me how you really feel. Ah, that was awesome.
That was awesome. Uh can I can I throw in one?
And and Dan Byro if you have one, that's something
that's annoying you, I have one. I have and again
I'm giving credit to you, Jaysetu for going. You need
to watch the Cowboys documentary. The the Michael Irvin aspect
(35:30):
of it is so good because, as you pointed out
Jayce dou, he's one of like two people who would
talk about the White House, and no one else talked
about it. It's like, hey, you know, it's a documentary.
You don't have to tell him anything if you don't
want to tell him anything. It's basically a Jerry Jones
promo piece, but it was. It was kind of It's
(35:53):
annoying to me that they let Michael Irvin get away
with basically saying, hey, from the end of the season
until April, he could party and do whatever he wanted.
That's when he got caught with cocaine. When there was
no follow up to like, well did you do cocaine
in the season? Were you a drug addict? Like what
was because there's all these conflicting Hey, I only did
(36:15):
it in it in the spring, Yet you went to
the White to the White House, which was a residential
house where they had all these orgies and drugs or whatever. Again,
it's all assumed in there, but you have a guy,
you have guys sitting chairs. And the other one that
they didn't do in the documentary was there's no discussion
about Skip Bayless telling people that Troy Aikman was gay, right, Like,
(36:40):
you're gonna have racist allegations in there, but you're not
gonna have and Skip was in the dock. Troy Aikman's
in the dock. It was a gigantic story. It's still
kind of a story. It laid the groundwork for why
Troy Aikman does not like Skip Bayless wasn't discussed. It's
to noy by.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
You got anything that annoying you just a once you've
complimented Jay Stu or complimented Jay Stue the show. It's
been like nineteen times you've said what a great job
Jay Stu has just I mean, Sam, like, can you
agree like it's been over the top, don't it's been disproportionate?
Speaker 7 (37:16):
Yeah, yes, I agree. That's a that's a good way.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
To play disproportionate ass kicking of our producer, Doug Gottliebiz.
All right, it's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. The Great E O'Connor joins us he's a
calmnist for the Athletic but he co authored a book
with you Got a Head Coach Danny Hurley called Never
Stop Life, Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great.
(37:41):
It's available later this month. You can preorder it now. Ian,
thanks so much for joining us. Their Hurly name is
synonymous with basketball, and Danny was, you know, as players.
He was the other brother. And now he's won you know,
two national championships as a head coach and doing it
in his own kind of unique way. What was the
(38:04):
impetus of the idea of writing a book with it?
When did this actually start?
Speaker 7 (38:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (38:08):
I've known Danny and now known as Dan. He wants
it that way, but some people refused to call him Dan.
They still call him Danny, and we all from my generation.
I'm sixty one and I knew Danny when he was
six years old, and so I've been around his father
and that family for a long time, And remember seeing
(38:28):
Bob Hurley senior coaching at Saint Anthony's in Jersey City
back in the day when Bobby and Danny were really young,
and almost being terrified of him when I was in
eighth grade watching him coach the intensity was off the charts. Well,
you see the same intensity in Dan today at Yukon,
and that was the rocket fuel behind their two national championships.
(38:52):
And so what we saw this year Doug, as you know,
is a lot of criticism for his approach on the sideline.
But before we got to that point, after he won
that second national title, I called him and I said, Dan,
you should write a book. This is your time. You
came off back to back national championships, which is incredibly
hard to do. You have a great backstory with your family,
(39:16):
and I assumed he had a writer already in mind,
somebody maybe in Connecticut who had covered him. And I
was under contract to do finished another two books, so
I was fine. I just said, you don't need to
do this with me, but you should do a book
with somebody. And I meant that and he said, no,
if I'm going to do it, i'd want to do
it with you. And then we talked about the what's
(39:38):
the vision for the book? And one thing led to another,
and here we are today, where a few weeks away
from the official launch of the book, which is now
available on Amazon of course in other places. But yeah,
it was me calling him saying, Dan, you need to
do a book with somebody. It doesn't have to be me,
and he decided that I was the right person to
do it with.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
How is he in real life as compared to the
in front of the camera life.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
I think that Dan is a sensitive guy, and I
do think that things like the criticism he faced last
season did really bother him. But Dan is a very
loving and loyal person. And I think the one thing
that readers would be surprised at not you, because you're
a Division one coach and you've been around the game forever.
(40:27):
But Dan does not yell at his individual players during
a game. Now, in a timeout, he might yell at
the group, and certainly in practice it can be a
full contact experience, but during games, when he's going nuts
on the rest and occasionally even getting into it with
the opposing head coach or his assistant, he does not
(40:50):
scream individually at the players because he understood what that
felt like when he was a college player at Seaton
Hall and it didn't make him feel good. So he's
more of a cornerman during games, a supporter, as someone
who encourages you, gives you confidence, and I think that's
been missed in the coverage of him nationally and the
way he's perceived, And to be honest with you, I
(41:12):
wasn't necessarily aware of that either when I started the process,
but I think that and that is what's most important
to me when it comes to college athletics, is how
the adults treat the young men or women who are
on their teams, on their rosters. And I think Dan,
if you talk to his players, they don't want to
(41:33):
play for anybody else. They swear by him to a kid,
to a player, and that's something that I wanted to
bring out in this book and I hopefully we did.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Stuck Gottleib show here on Fox Sports Radio in O'Connor
as our guest. The new book is called Never Stop Life,
Leadership and What it Takes to Be Great. He co
authored it with two time National championship head coach Danny
Hurley or Dan Hurley. I there's there are so many
different aspects to his life and his path to this
(42:07):
to success which are interesting, but some of it has
been told through TV. When you know you make the
final fours, people they try and do these personal interest
stories and tell things. What's one that's in the book
that people don't.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Know well the depth of his depression that he suffered
as a student at s Eaton Hall. He gets to
some pretty dark places. I'm not sure the average fan
is necessarily fully aware of that, and I think in
the book bringing out his humanity was important to me.
And there was an excerpt today on the athletics website
(42:45):
about Dan really struggling after this past season, really human
thoughts about should I resign three decades straight of high
intensity coaching without a break, without a single break, for
a very challenging and difficult season against measured against their
standard of winning national championships, and the criticism he took
(43:07):
left him very vulnerable and thinking about walking away. Do
I need to resign as the head coach of the
Yukon Huskies. And he was very candid with me about
that human struggle he felt and the price you pay
to compete at the highest levels of college sports today,
and also the changing nature of the game where now
(43:28):
recruiting is all about how much can you pay a kid?
And that's not the way he was raised in the business.
Recruiting is about relationships, or at least they used to be,
and also having a great program that would attract people.
And really, now it comes down and how much are
you going to pay me? And I know I never
thought it would get to that point in college sports.
I'm sixty one years old, and if you told me
(43:51):
that forty years ago this would be the case, I
never would have believed it. And I think he's a
similar mindset. But all that sort of put together in
a cauldron of bubbling emotion left him in a place
where he thought about walking away. Now, he didn't leave
yukon the previous summer, despite being offered seventy million dollars
(44:12):
to coach the most glamorous franchise in the NBA, the Lakers,
And this time he didn't walk away either. I guess
the author of Never Stop should not stop, and he didn't.
But I think that that will surprise the reader is
just how emotionally cooked he was at the end of
last season, how he was sitting there just wondering if
he should even continue as a college coach. He ultimately
(44:34):
decided to come back, and they have a really good roster,
a better roster than they had last year. But I
think that'll be surprising the most readers.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
And did I read write that he nearly left just
to be an analyst at Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
He had some conversations with he told me a TV executive.
Andrew Marshan reported today it was Fox. Now it makes
sense his former agent, Jordan Design is a box executives.
So yeah, I think that that was something he thought
he could do for one year, basically, take a gap year,
do some TV and then recharge and come back. Now
(45:11):
he'd have to come back somewhere else in college basketball
or the NBA. I do think, and this is really
more my opinion, I think he will coach in the
NBA before he retires. I do think that he wants
to scratch that itch, if you will take that shot,
at some point. I think he wants to win another
national championship or two at Yukon. So I think he'll
(45:32):
be at Yukon for a number of years before he
possibly makes that move. And again, this is really more
my opinion. But if you told me he was head
coach of the New York Knicks seven years from now,
I would not be surprised.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
That. Being said, there are very few coaches who are
as animated, maybe any that as animated as he is
in the pros, What do you think of the adjustment
he'll have to make to coach in the NBA in
terms of his approach.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
It's a great question, Doug. And he does believe like
his father. Now. I was surprised when he told me
this that his father, as he got older, mellowed out
a little bit and got a little kinder and gentler
and maybe a little more user friendly or player friendly.
I was surprised that he made that observation, and he
suspects the same thing will happen to him now. It's
(46:28):
hard to believe looking at Dan Hurley today that you
could see him calming down, for lack of a better expression,
as he gets into his mid to late fifties. But
he believes that will happen and make him then more
compatible with what the NBA is, as we all know,
it's a players league, and so listen. He fiercely considered
the Lakers, and he did believe he could coach Lebron James.
(46:52):
And I said to him later, you know, if you
knew Luca was going to be traded there, would you
have taken that job? And he said, no, I would
have made the same decision because I'm not really ready
to coach in the NBA yet, and I think I
do need to change a little bit, and along the
lines of what he said, his father went through that change.
So I again the way I look at it, the
(47:14):
way I look at his career after spending a lot
of time with him last season, I do believe that
he will take on that challenge as the last challenge
of a great career. To me, he's already a Hall
of Famer as a college coach, but to take that
last stepp and prove he can do it at the
highest level, I do think that's something that intrigues him
(47:35):
down the road in something that he ultimately will do.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
What's the dynamics of the family, Like, you know, Bobby
was always the star growing up. Now Bobby has had
a successful but kind of up and down coaching career,
whereas Danny we mentioned before how he was you as
a player, the slow and steady climb and now the
CHAMPIONI coach. Of course, the dad is the legend. What's
(48:00):
the dynamics of that family like now?
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah, I think everyone is. Everyone gets along and supports
each other. And obviously their father's now retired, but he's
arguably the greatest high school boys basketball coach ever in
this country, and Morgan Wooton would be in that conversation
as well. I think that it's interesting, right the dynamic
has flipped where and he was the other player and
(48:25):
now Bobby is sort of the other coach. But Bobby
has a very, very challenging job, and he has done
a good job at Arizona State, but that is a
tough job. The conference are in now, and it's not
really a basketball school. I actually lived on that campus
right next to the arena back in nineteen eighty six
eighty seven out of college, and so I know a
(48:47):
little bit about Arizona State and its history, and it's
just not a basketball school. So I do think Bobby
has done a good job there and will continue to
do so. But Dan, you know, he's showing up at Yukon.
That's not easy either because the standard there was national championships.
Jim Calhoun won three, Kevin Ollie won one, and it's
amazing that story on the women's side and the men's side.
(49:08):
What a school in stores Connecticut has done in college
basketball women's and men's divisions is unbelievable, and when you
look at where it's located. So Dan when he arrived
at Yukon, he had to win national championships and he's
done that. He's done an incredible job measuring up to
that expectation, and I do think he'll win another one
(49:29):
or two certainly before he ever leaves that school, and
it might be this year. The motto last year was dynasty.
You could have that same motto this year if they win.
If they win three out of four, that's certainly a dynasty.
Last year a disappointment, but hey, he almost beat the
ultimate national champion in Florida in the second round the
(49:50):
NCAA tournament. That to me, was a testament to Dan's
coaching ability with that roster. I thought Dan the coach
really outperformed that Dan the GM last year and actually
did a very good job with what he had to
work with. And he almost picked off Florida in the
second round, and that shouldn't be forgotten.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Ian O'Connor, you got to check out this new book.
It's outstanding as thanking. Anything he writes is one. Read
his work in the athletic follo him on social media
and pick up Never Stop Life Leadership, What it Takes
to be Great. It's available later this month. You can
pre order it now. He co authored it with two
time National Championship head coach Dan Hurley. Ian, you're the
(50:30):
best man. Let's talk in soon. Thanks for being our guest.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Hey Doug, thanks so much and best of luck in
Green Bay this year
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