September 8, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Bills miracle comeback over the Ravens on Sunday night, and how much Josh Allen's skill and some luck had to do with it.
On this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved most and hated most from the weekend.
Doug welcomes former Charger and Raiders General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show to talk about the Raiders, Bills and all of the other major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
You had a.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Spectacular, spectacular weekend. All the boys are here. The great
Dan Byer you heard him on radio yesterday. I want
to talk about what he saw from his Hawks Seahawks
Jay Still who liked me a Charger fan, so hey,
we were want to know and in a division play
and off for the rest of the weekend and getting
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all healed up. That stuff was great. And then of
course you got your boy here who Now I get
two teams, and both teams will want to know, and
so is my fantasy team. That's all want to know
as well. So we're all we're all good. We'll get
to the Bills come back against the Ravens in a second.
(01:07):
We'll get to the Lions getting dismembered and dismantled by
the Packers in a second.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, but I.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Do need to pat myself on the back. Chase two
and Dan Byer. We've been together long enough that you
remember a couple of years ago, there was this Herbert
versus Tua thing, right, Herbert versus Tua. Now it was
mainly mainly Emmanuel Acho and others calling out Justin Herbert
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as what was it? A social media quarterback, a social
media sensation. And the idea wasn't that he was on
social media, is that social media likes him more than
the reality of who he is quarterback. And the thing was, hey,
Tua Tua is really the better quarterback. And not only
did I believe that was laughable at the time, they
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actually played against each other on Monday Night football. I
went to that game with my son and I came
back and I think also as steven A called out
Herbert as well at the time, and I went to
that game and Tyreek Hill made two unbelievable plays in
the first half. Otherwise it's non competitive, was mostly a
non competitive game. And the takeaway, very very simply was,
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if you think those two players are anywhere in the
same solar system, you haven't actually watched football. You haven't
actually watched football. So knowing that, understanding that if you've
now watched Week one, and I don't want most opinions
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have to be willing to evolve or change. Because if
there's one thing we've learned about early season NFL, it's
whatever you saw this weekend, very very Normally, half the
teams will look completely different week two, sometimes for the better, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
For the worse.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But we do have I believe enough data to tell
you that I think McDaniel's going to get fired this year.
He was my wasn't he my first pick? Jay Stu
on our hot seat list last week? By the way,
congratulations to Jason Stewart. He gave you the j Stue
team parlay. They both hit over the weekend. So on
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Fridays listen to Jay Stu both of his hit this weekend.
Wasn't Mike McDaniel my pick? I believe that was my pick?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Byer would know? Byer does the games remember this?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean he had the shortest odds. I know
you want to take the victory lapdug, but it was
two to one that McDaniel was the first coach to
be fired is.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
There anybody in this room that would now take Tua over?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Justin Herbert, I don't think that it's been that way
in a while.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I agree, I agree, but now it's like there's just
no way, and there's like they picked the wrong horse,
that's it, and they they've tried to put him in
the perfect situation, and that perfect situation continues to be
less perfect because you can only provide so much space
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and timing for a guy for a period of time
for everybody kind of figures it out. I'm not saying
to a stinks, but I think he it's going to
be a tough year for him as they're trying to
figure out how to get the ball to Tyreek Hill
in space and others have figured out how to take
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that away. Hill is frustrated, and Tua doesn't look like
he has the ability to elevate a team if he
can't do it on time and on target, can't do
it on his own. Herbert does, Okay, let's get to
the last nights, come back byer. What time do you
click off for the radio on a Sunday. It's five
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o'clock local, so eight eastern, okay, So then you drive
home there's no real traffic driving home. Usually get home
and do you settle in and watch the game right away?
You connect with Berdy Lisa right away, like what's your
pattern on a Sunday?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I get home, I brought food home, and then I
brought the game up on my phone because Brody was
watching something on TV right Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Was there ever a point where you're like, Okay, I'm
good now, I got to get ready for tomorrow, I
got to go to bed, or did you watch.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The entire thing? No, I watch the entire thing. It's
one of the advantages you have on being the West
Coast because you don't have to, you know, game into
like eight thirty ish or something.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So I was on the West Coast, Okay. I was
out at a bar and restaurant and literally five minutes
to go, they were down with fifteen points. I was
like forty to twenty five. And there was a group
that I was kind of watching over their shoulder on
this beautiful TV, and everybody collectively when the Ravens scored
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the touchdown to give him forty was like, that's it.
That's all not even pay attention anymore. That's literally what happened.
And then I get back last night and I look
at my phone and you guys are on the group text,
and I'm like, I don't even know what happened. So
I had to go back and watch. And there's a
long day, a long weekend of watching a ton of football.
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Here here's Josh Allen. He had a message to fans
that left the stadium early.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Our team didn't quit.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I mean, I think there's people that left the stadium
that's okay, We'll be fine, but have some fate next time.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Here's Josh Allen on how they came back and won.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
They took everybody there. I'm just proud of our team
for staying in it. No one on the sideline blinked.
I mean, down fifteen points whenever we were with five
six minutes left, staying with it, fans leaving, you know,
the stadium. You know, you gotta play this game for
sixty minutes. And that's that's a really good offit that
we just played. And you know, God willing we take
care of business how we're supposed to and how we
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think we will. You know, it's probably a team we'll
see again. So you know they're they're a greatly coached team.
Hats off to them for having a really good game plan.
But you know, gotta were stuck in there, and I'm
just proud of our guys.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's a
little counterintuitive that a team that can run the football
with Derrick Henry, can run the football with Lamar Jackson,
can give up that level of lead, right, because the
old adage you have a lead, well, that's a running team.
They know what they're doing and they just run it
down your throat and they have two incredible options.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Arguably, or maybe inarguably, the greatest running quarterback of all
time in Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry has been, if
not the best running back in the league. In any
conversation of the best running back in the league, what
five last five to seven years? Okay, so you have
those two, a good offensive line, the other team's got
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to be tie. Our defense been on the field a
bunch games should be over. I didn't know this until
after the comeback and win that John Harball his teams
had suffered more comebacks than any other coach in the NFL.
Here's Harball on what happened.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Are you disappointing. We're just gonna have to regroup and
get ready to go play a long season. We've got
sixteen games in front of us, good football team, tough environment. Obviously,
we did many good things, but we didn't play well
at the end. Two big situations. The fourth down play,
I mean, that's kind of a play that you don't
really expect to happen. I mean, it was pretty pretty
lucky play, but they made it between the scrambles. Josh
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Allen played a great game obviously, especially at the end
in the fourth quarter to make those plays. Scramble plays,
extended extended completions, and then a couple of big pass plays.
So that's it. We're disappointed, but we'll be We'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's there's a couple different
parts to it. Remember after heading up forty to twenty five,
when I clicked it off, it was because the Bill's
punted on the next possession. Five plays and they punted.
But then it was the Ravens who ran the ball,
you know, twice in a row, then had a penalty okay,
then threw the ball and then had the punt it again.
(09:19):
But what leads to every comeback in baseball. Every comeback
in baseball feels the same leadoff, walk right. Every comeback
in basketball feels like feels the same like a couple
of threes and a couple of turnovers, a couple of
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empty possessions, and some momentum plays. In football, a turnover,
especially a fumble, is almost always what leads to these comebacks.
And of all guys, it's a Derrick Henry, a running
back who he's a big, old strong dude. The last
thing you'd expect him to fumble, and he did. Here's
Derrick Henry on the funnel.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Well, first of all, I mean I gotta take care
of the ball. Told my teammates at the game, put
the boss on me. I own it like a man,
I ween. Besides taking care of the ball since we
since we got Baston, it's a big games, especially in
all them, and running back and taking care of the football,
keeping the high and tighten like a like a days ago,
and when they made a play. But you know, I
put the boss on me. I take care of the ball.
(10:24):
Bundy to be a different situation for me. But as
far as the offense, you just got to ask you
you and he didn't do as well. You know, you
had to end, so we just gotta look at the
film and correct him.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Now, now, look, there's a miracle fourth down catch, right,
that also happens. I mean, think of think of Brady
in the Super Bowl down twenty eight to three.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What leads to it? Turnovers and oh yeah, by the way,
Julian Edelman catching catching a football in a once in
a lifetime catch. So there's how you come back. Who
the players are that changes. What's almost always the same
is turnover miracle, Like one incredible momentum shifting miracle play,
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and and then the offense becomes you know, goes into
a shell and becomes the turtle. Because yes there was
a fumble, yes that changed everything in the game, but
the Ravens had two other possessions where three and out
and three and out in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You gotta keep.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Playing, right, And I'm not being critical of Harbaugh. Look,
first year as a Division one head, Ben's coach. You know,
up fourteen to Youngstown, up up fourteen late to Oakland,
Like we've suffered these four I know what happens. I've
you feel that, and the NFL, it's almost always a turnover.
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Usually a fumble, a miracle play, and then your offense
just gets so conservative that the defense salivates, gets a stop,
and then you got a Josh Allen who's a special,
special player. The last part to it is, I understand
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Josh Allen has not gotten to a Super Bowl yet.
I understand that Josh Allen has at times try to
do things too much on his own. I do understand
also that if we're honest with ourselves, they were still
down forty to twenty five, right, Like, let's not lose
track of most of the game was dominated by the
Ravens offense, but there's no additional level of clutchness in
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your ability to come back. And you're like, well, he
hasn't done the playoffs. Yes he has. When they lost
to the Chiefs couple years ago and they had the
thirteen second you know, comeback drive, kick the field goal
and win an overtime. He played a perfect game under
an immense amount of pressure as a player last night.
There's an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver
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in the clutch, and he did. It doesn't mean that
he's the clutchest player in the NFL from week one,
And I do reserve the right to go. Hey, maybe
the fact that the Ravens were up means the Ravens
are that much better. They just went in the turtle
in the shell and that's why they lost. All those
things are possible, But I've never understood the mentality of fans,
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the mentality of broadcasters to call out the clutches of
a player who's shown you that they can in fact
be clutched, they can in fact pull off miracles. Sometimes
it's those miracles, those comebacks, those clutch performances. They may
not always come out in an AFC championship game or
an AFC playoff game. His actually has, but you can't.
(13:50):
I just struggle with the mentality that you can only
be clutching the playoffs, not clutching the regular season. Regular
season clutch doesn't count. Just some food for thought for you.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
This is the best of the Don dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
What but You?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in.
I hope you're having a great day, maybe the greatest
day you've ever had in your entire life. What if
that happened today, Today was the greatest day in your life?
Could be Ryan, You're just like your Debbie Downer.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Don't be a no, just being honest.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, Okay, my boy Jay Stu in the house. So
I'm just gonna put this out there a real quick
before we get to what we want to get to
in this part of the show. I've just been told
that Buyer and Jay Stu are headed to Buffalo for
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Dolphin's bills. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's correct?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay. Now I don't know, I'm without looking, i don't
know if we're on in Buffalo. I'm sure we're on
somewhere close to Buffalo. So here's the deal. I've sent
out some text. I have a very high level of
confidence that between Tom to LESCo, who we just had on,
who's from Buffalo originally like hometown, and between my other
connections in the NFL and Thursday Night Football, I'll see
(15:13):
some of those people. A couple of TNF people owe
me a favor that I'll be able to get you tickets.
What I need great, and that's not what I need.
I need Bill's Mafia to take care of these two
guys because Dan wants to go to what's say in
the stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
High Mark Stadium.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What was it originally called back when we were king Richfield, Richfield.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Richfield Rich.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Dan wants to go and see the stadium before they
bulldoze the stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right that. Yes, that's the only Yes. What's the other
part to it? No, that that is the only reason.
Buffalo is one of the few cities that also well,
the other reason would be Buffalo is one of the
few cities in the United States like major cities. I've
never been to. Okay, so I would like to see
what Buffalo is like. Dated that game is what?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's a week from third? Yes, okay, so it was seventeenth,
the seventeenth noted seventeenth?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Is that it? Is it the eighteenth?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Jay eighteenth eight eighth okay, eighteenth? Ironically, I'll be here,
I'm here, you're there. It's a big junior college of
Ventward some recruiting in California. That that that Friday. Anyway,
So here's what I need. Okay, Dan Byer, please give
your Twitter handle at Dan Bayer on Fox Jay STU.
(16:29):
Please give your Twitter handle.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
At Jason Stewart as it's spelled ew yep.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
At Jason Stewart. Okay, and you can include me at
Gottlieb show if you'd like, If you don't like, this
does not involve me. This involves There's zero doubt in
my mind that some member of Bill's Mafia is listening
to the show. And whether they member remember Jay Stu
from back in the old Rome days, okay, or they're
just an avid listener, or you listen to Dan on weekends,
or you download is I Want your Flex podcast? Nice
(16:57):
little plug there, or you're just listening to the DG show,
or you dude, Okay, you can't have Dan Byer come
and say this is the final stop on my I've
seen every city tour and going to uh what is it?
Save Mark Kimark Stadium, Okay, and see the Buffalo Bills
and not hang out.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
With Bill's Mafia. Fair, Absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's that's like going to Manhattan and not going in
to see a show. That's like coming to la and
not seeing a homeless person. It's not part of the trip.
You haven't made the full trip. It's like my brother
says this. My brother used to have a joke. I
don't know if this joke. He's like, you haven't been
to It's not really a trip to Mexico unless you've
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seen something on fire, three legged dog, and somebody selling
you cheek lay at the border, right, And if you've
been to Mexico, you're like, yeah, it's all three of
those things. Good you had a Mexico trip. Otherwise you
just went to a resort, a real Mexico trip. Is
something on fire, three legged dog, somebody selling your cheek ley,
I'll I'll alternate oranges as well where you get sold oranges.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, there is something about this stadium, and I even
think when you look back at the eighties and nineties
when we grew up watching football, it was a different look.
It just it doesn't look like an NFL stadium and
that's why I love it. And now they've got their
new stadium that will probably look like a lot of others.
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It'll have all the bells and whistles, the whole deal.
But there's just been something unique about this. The camera
angle is always super low on TV, which I think
that makes it even more intriguing when you're watching it.
But I just wanted to see a game. This is
probably for at least a decade, I've wanted to go,
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and now time is running out and it's now forcing
my hand.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
can we hook these guys up? Please hook these guys up.
They need to be shown the greatest third night experience
in Buffalo history. This is on you, Bills, Mafia. Don't
say you're don't say this is a great place, and
not show our guys a good time. Jason Stewart, Dan Bayer,
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find them on social media and connect with them, and
you guys keep me updated as to the connections. Let's
get to love and hate.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
What did you love?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
God?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I love you?
Speaker 9 (19:20):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Meet these player haters?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
What'd you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from
the weekend? Ryan, You're gonna have to find something nice
to say. That's part of love. Let's start with that
resident at level boy, Dan Byer, what'd you love in
the weekend?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well, I'll tell you what. It was quite the experience
that I had on Saturday night. My wife and I
talking about looking forward to things. Ever since we found
out that Oasis was reuniting. I had been looking forward
to going to see their show. And we are lucky
enough living in southern California than in one of their
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five US stops, show in Chicago, two in New York,
and to in LA that I was able to attend
one of them. So Saturday night, my wife and I
saw Oasis Live twenty five the Reunion tour, and it
was everything and everything that I expected and so much more.
It was just it was great. It was hit after hit,
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absolutely love the atmosphere Rose Bowl was packed. It was
just it was amazing and it was such an energy.
One of those concerts where you're still thinking about it
and talking about it a day later. Two days later,
you're still listening to the music. So that's what I
love from this weekend was checking out Oasis and seeing
Oasis on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
So those guys packed the Rose Bowl. Yes, after being
completely gone for thirty years? Is that how long?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It is not that long? Probably about fifteen or so.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Oh okayes Man, and you were very familiar with their
catalog going in, Yes, Okay, I'm not. I think I
know that very high level couple hits.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's one of the weirdest things ever, I mean, genius marketing.
But I would agree, like I flew out here from
Nashville right went to a wedding on on the weekend.
On Friday, and there was people coming in for the
concert from Nashville like Oasis, and I was like, is
I missed the I missed the Oasis was that big.
(21:24):
But they have whatever, whether it's not touring, whether they
become more popular in the time since they actually whatever it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Is, it's kind of crazy crazy. It's just it's great
song after great song. And I think that they're dynamic,
and them as brothers is something that is so captivating.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Didn't know their brothers?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
You didn't know Liam and Nole were brothers. No, you
knew that, right, Jason.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I knew that. I knew they headed each other for
many y.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, because that's so much about the story of and
why they weren't and why they weren't together. It was
that they were brothers. Liam's the younger other, and yeah,
it was just it was magnificent. Paul McCartney, oddly enough
attended the attended the show on Saturday night. It was
just great. It was eighty thousand people just having the
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time of their lives and people were flying in because
they've said, and this may be wrong, but I would
say this last night. Yeah, this is not that they're
getting together, and maybe they will be because they are
on good terms right now. Even Liam's always trying to
hug nol. But there were only five shows in the States.
It wasn't like they're gonna go to San Diego this
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week and then the next weekend they're up in Seattle.
Then they'll hit Denver, then they'll go down to Texas
and play Dallas and Houston. No, it was Chicago, two
nights in New York, two nights in LA. Then they'll
go to Mexico City, they'll go to Asia and Australia,
and they've got some couple of shows in South America,
like three shows in South America in November, and then
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that's the tour.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And is it tonight as well?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
No, it was last night, Saturday.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
It just came up on my memories. So six years ago,
this September, I went to see the Stones for the
first time at the Rose Bowl. I have a logistics
question for you. Where did you park? And how much
of a pain in the ass was it to get
out of the park.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
We were so early, we were there at five thirty.
Oasis didn't get on until eight forty five. It was
easy as pie. We were pretty close. We were close
to the we parked on the golf course. We were
actually close to the clubhouse, so we didn't have far
to walk. And yeah, just I mean a little bit,
but when you have eighty thousand people, a little bit
of a delay to get out. But it wasn't it
wasn't a headache at all.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, it worked out well.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Okay. So Aaron Rodgers I mentioned last week, it's a
story that I'm following the closest this season. I'm interested
to see how he does. He beat the Jets at
the Jets. I wasn't very interested in this revenge angle.
I don't think there's enough. There wasn't enough time spent
there for there to be a major revenge. I do
know that there was that reported incident or exchange between
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him and the Jets new head coach where Aaron Rodgers
flew across the country only to be told we don't
need you. He addressed it after the game last night.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
You spoke about the meeting with Alan Glenn on McAfee
a few months ago.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Beating him is the significance in that sense, he basically
told you to your face that he.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Didn't think you were right for that team.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Yes, that's what he did, so there are significance in
beating him. For you, I was happy to beat everybody
associated with the Jets. It was nice to win, especially,
you know, hearing some of the cat calls out there
and the boobirds. You know, I don't I'm not sensitive
about that. I expected that, you know, I kind of
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liked that. But there were probably people in the organization
I didn't think I could play anymore, So it was
nice to remind those people that I still can.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Four touchdowns, no intercept. The Steelers won on a Boswell
I want to say, what sixty year old sixty yard
field goal. It was a very entertaining game to watch
for a couple of reasons, but one of them was
the old man won and I'm rooting for him, so
it was great to say. I love saying that.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
What were the other reasons?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Because Justin Fields looked great and I wish I had
Justin Fields on my fantasy team. He's fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, No, I mean that was interesting. Also, huge fumble
and special teams in the Jets. Gigantic fumble and special
teams of the Jets. Ryan, what you.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Got well, anything to do with the Boston area. I
despise Doug So me being a Raiders fan who's still
upset over the Tuck rule, it made me grin from
ear to ear that my Raiders beat the Patriots. I
don't like Josh McDaniels. I don't know why he keeps
getting job opportunities. He sucks. And I just love the
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fact that Pete Carroll, seventy plus years old, they go
into New England and they beat the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's what I love.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Raid Raid is, raid is.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, it was good Win. I'll I'll tell you what
I loved was the green back Packers looked like a
champion team. They just did and was the offense lights out?
Like no, like Detroit is still good. Detroit seems to
lack whatever that special something they had had. And we'll
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like like we're being fair. Week one is hard. New coordinator,
some some different pieces from last year, but Micah Parsons
did not play a ton of snaps and they still
dominated the Lions. Now, if you can start out to
and oh at home Lie and Commanders on Thursday night,
now you're cooking. Now you're cooking. And for the most part,
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I think they had one possible injury going to yesterday.
But the Packers it just felt and looked different. Maybe
it was that the Lions weren't ready, maybe that the
Lions it hadn't played enough in the new system. But
I think a lot of it was there's just an
energy to this Packers team, which feels like Super Bowl energy.
I could be wrong, because I've been following the Chargers
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for so long. I haven't seen super Bowl energy felt
that way. All right, let's get to what we hated
from the weekend. A resident hater although that we have
two with you and Ryan, but let's start with you, Jaysuo.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
So since Sam isn't here today, I feel kind of
compelled to sam up my hate because three things I
really hated this weekend, I couldn't stand them. But I
won't do it. I won't Sam it up, but I
will mention that. I won't mention that Pat Mahomes acting
like he's going out of bounds and then laying a
blow on our cornerback with the Chargers. I thought that
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was Bush league. And the Kara Swisher Elizabeth Warren look
alike who stole the ball from the ten year old
kid on Saturday night that I hated too for many
reasons we'll get into in the podcast. Okay, but something
that happened Saturday night, that's a new woe. And I
know Dan Byer I already nobody's going to say to this. Yeah,
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it's really easy to complain. You're in first place, you're
the defending world champions, you'll probably win the division for
the next ten years. But this Dodgers team has been
particularly annoying, has been particularly frustrating, and it reached a
new woe on Saturday night. Our pitcher was throwing a
no hitter, two outs in the ninth inning, two outs,
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one out away from a no hitter for Yamamoto. Your
guy Jackson Holiday ruined that hits a solo home run
to make it three to one. So we're like, okay, cool,
three to one, we still got the game. No, No,
let's bring in Blake Trinan double hit a guy walk walk,
so it's three to two, bases loaded, and they bring
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in our guy, Tanner Scott, and the only thing that
guy's good at is giving away leads, single up the middle.
Dodgers lose. This is not becoming of a championship team.
Something's broken. They seemingly fixed everything in one weekend with
the Padres and have been a broken team around that weekend.
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I can't put my finger on it. I hate that.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I just for perspective. I was talking to Matt during
the first inning after Jackson flied out deep in the
first inning, and because Matt went with work with Jackson
when they're in San Diego, and since you've seen his numbers,
and he was talking about how like it's just very
normal for a hitter, this is what happens in your
first real full season the Bigs, whatever. And then to
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see that reward with that home run was huge. They
hit the home run and I stopped paying attention again,
and then they comeback win. That was I knew you
were going to right give me yours that you hated.
Speaker 11 (30:01):
Uh, Philly, Karen, just because what blew my mind is, uh,
You're in Philly and no one checked her. I mean,
it's not like you're you're in some classy place.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It was. It was in Florida. Yeah, they were just
a lot of Phillys.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
Even worse, you're in Florida, a lot of crazy people
out there, and no one checked her.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Really, what do you mean checked her?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
She took the ball from a kid.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Oh, I mean she was so entitled.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
Exactly, someone needed to go over there and check her.
And and and no one said anything that it booter.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I actually think the dad was the one who's is
he's just got it like no, no, if here's the rule, okay,
the rule is the ball's hit at you. You don't
catch the ball, it's fair game, right and and and
I will also point out I am not the guy
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if you sit in a place that might get to
get and you want to bring a glove to a game,
it's literally the only time in sports I would allow it.
Oh wow, those things come off a rockets like you
got to if you want to. But if you drop
the ball like sorry, and then yes, in the hierarchy
of who gets the ball first, kids before women before men, right,
And the only thing that can usurp all of those
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is if you served in the military. Wait, I forgot
hold on kids, elderly women, men right, And again military
probably ahead of both, but the military guys will almost
all give it to the kids, elderly women.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
There it seems like the in sports, a fly ball
at a major I'm sorry, a foul ball or a
home run at a major league baseball field is like
one of the last things that's like, it's survival of
the fittest. It's a meritocracy. If you get the ball,
you earn the ball. And then you add the fact
that it's the guy's tenth are the kid's tenth birthday
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that he was giving the ball to. Everything worked out
fine because Harrison Bader, the guy who hit the omron,
met the kid afterwards and gave him a ball on
a bat and signed it and everything. And our girl,
Karen was I guess doxed, and it was reported that
she lost her job. I don't think any of that's true,
but anyways, yeah, that was amazing. Brought it up.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I get something I hated. Sorry, sorry, Dan, I'll get
you next. It wasn't that Oklahoma State got beat. It
wasn't even that they got beat sixty nine to three.
That's part of it. Two parts to it. First, I
hate the you get embarrassed like that, the lack of reality.
But you've got a fire Gundy Day's passed. But like,
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this is a whole new world for them. They've never
spent money and now they're spending money. And I think
it's pretty obvious they didn't spend money terribly wisely, and
they had a backup quarterback and this is what happens, right,
But this is the downside to the portal era. Okay,
they had like fifteen practices before they played a game.
Now they played two games, so you're talking like twenty
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practices in. There was no fight at all. They laid down,
they got their absolute asses handed to them, and did
not fight for one another. And what's that because because
they didn't go there because they give a crap about
Oklahoma State. They went there because they gave a crap
about a paycheck. Okay, if you haven't figured out what's
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ruining college sports, and look, we sucked last year, I
can't put a pretty picture on four and twenty eight.
I just can't. I know our kids fought with everything
they had, and they stuck together, and they played for
one another, and they played for the school. It's not perfectky,
but I can tell you that they fought. And the
problem with what's changed in college athletics is, in order
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to get it going, you gotta go out and pay
money to players. And if you pay money to the
wrong guys, you get a bunch of turns, and that
it doesn't show its head in a game when you're winning.
It's when you're losing, Like why fight? Like I'm still
getting paid, I don't care. Like these aren't my guys.
I've been here a couple of weeks. Go play somewhere
else next year. That mentality sucks, And like, look, do
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I think Oregon ran it up?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But Oregon taking special Glee you're better. I just I
don't know Landings. There's a little dB in there that
he's a really good coach. They're an awesome team. Aughtson's
an amazing place. But like, dude, when you're two ex
to spending, that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Dan Byer, what do you got? I don't want to
follow that. I think that's a perfect way to end
love and hate.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
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Kind of to spend some time with us every week
here on the show. Okay, first, let me just get
to the actual performance in the game. We did get
the chance to see Flacco look good. Dylan Gabriel came in,
Chador struggled. We saw Snoop Huntley before he got before
he got released. What was your assessment of how the
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two rookie quarterbacks for the Browns play.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Well? I agree with you. Dylan Gabriel looked looked good
for the second game in the row. He just he
can move the team. He makes quick decisions, he gets
the ball out of his hand quickly. He's got a
pretty good zip for a smaller quarterback. He's got good
arm strength, which you don't see all the time with
a smaller quarterback. But he looked similar to what he
looked in college. And that was a positive. And Shador,
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you know, didn't have his best day. He played much
better that the two games before. You know there and
and I can see I think part of this developmental
process with him was not putting him out there for
that two minutes thrial, just because some of the body
language coming off the field after two tough series just
wasn't what you'd expect. If you don't want your quarterback
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to just walk off the field with his head down.
There there's there's gonna be adversity, you know, down to
down series the series. You have to handle that as
a quarterback. So on the outst looking in, I was
wondering if this was Kevin Stephan just saying, hey, look
this this is a teaching moment for you as far
as how you handle the lows on the field, and
we're gonna let Snoop take this last drive. But I
think you can tell by the way it lined up.
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Obviously Slack was the starter Dylan Gabriel. He was drafted
above should or for a reason. They must have had
him ranked higher, and he didn't show anything in the
preseason that would lead you to believe that he would
drop in the Dutch chart. So you're looking at him
as the two. I guess is a three? Can you
take us the wild card? I don't know how he
fits in there right now because he just didn't play
a lot in the preseason. Is either two, is either three?
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Is someone they move that remains to be seen before Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I want to make sure I state I am not
putting it out there. I'll tell you my own feelings
in a second. I have seen other people and now
there are more former players than anything. Saying Stefanski is
basically sabotaging shadoor right put him out there with Lineman
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he was going to cut and didn't let him be
the hero and play the two minutes drow which every
quarterback dreams of.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Is there any scenario where that's a possibility.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Maybe great for sports talk radio, but not in reality. No,
that's not absolutely not. I mean he's, first of all,
he's a very good head coach that has a good
track record on the offensive side of the ball. He
knows what he's looking at. He's also in a situation
where he has four quarterbacks he's trying to get a
really good look at. I know you don't need as
much look at Joe Flaccob, you still want to make
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sure you know where he is performance level is. So
he had a tough challenge going into training camp. They
get four quarterbacks enough reps, not like to show what
they can do, but to help them develop. So he
knows what he's doing, and yeah, no, he's not out
there sabotaging anything. It's just you only get so many series,
and I do think he's just trying to teach these guys.
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And he had a rough series, had a rough couple
of series there, he has some great series. You know,
in the first preseason game, you're going to have up
and downs as a rookie quarterback. That's just part of
life and part of life and professional football is learning
how to deal with that, because when you're the quarterback,
not only does everybody not the fans and media looking
at you, your teammates are looking at you. So you know,
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just you don't want to see your quarterback just walking
off the field after a series or walking off with
his head down. That I think he was more a
teaching moment than anything else.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Does all of this noise surrounding should Dour.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Does.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Does this make it if the Browns thing doesn't work?
Does it make it less likely somebody else picks him up?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
That's a good point, just because I want to say no,
But then you know, he was also drafted in the
fifth round. I think some of that was just due
to the noise people were worried about coming in. But
the bottom line is he has starter talent in the NFL.
Is he ready for prime time? Probably not ready quite yet,
but he has starter talent. He's got good enough arm strength,
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He's got good feel in the pocket that I get
some time more on the inconsistent level, but he can
feel a rush, he can get the ball out of
his hands, and he's relatively accurate. So he has some
skills there. He's put a lot of staffs in college football,
but he has to adapt to the NFL game. It's
going to take some time. Certainly somebody would give an
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opportunity somewhere else. How many teams would, I'm not sure,
just because what I said, like he was drafted in
the fifth round when really his talent level said he
should have gone higher. So the probably some teams to
maybe skirt off by that. I think the smarter teams
see a potential potential starter down the road. Maybe not
right now, but down the road. It's something you have
to take a look at.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Is Anthony Richardson done in Indy?
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Well, I mean he's had plenty of opportunities there. They
say he's not, and I do believe them. They've been
loyal to their players. They've been loyal to him and
give them opportunities. But he may be a situation that
other first round pick quarterbacks have fallen into, just like
Daniel Jones with the Giants. He may kneed a change
of scenery. That's never a bad thing, and that could
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come up. And if you look how Daniel Jones handed
his process, he handled it really well. We've released during
the season from the Giants. It just didn't work out.
You know, a lot of options at that point, including me.
I was trying to sign on to come to the
active roster with the Raiders so he'd give us another
option as a starting quarterback. And he decided to sign
on the practice squad with the Vikings to kind of rehabilitate,
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learn a little bit from Kevin O'Connell, kind of get
his kind of settle his career down a little bit,
and then be a free agent at the end of
the year and pick where to go to go compete
for a job. He took the right spot with the Colts,
competed for a job, and won the job. So Richardson
could be in that same boat eventually. But I do
believe it when they say that he'll get another opportunity there.
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He's got a lot of talent. His ceiling's really high.
It's just the consistency level, it's just really low right now.
And it's no different than what he showed in college.
There were high, very high high and low lows, and
you're seeing the same thing at this level. And there
are also injuries at the college level, so you're seeing
a lot of the same things. But I think he'll
get another opportunity there to show what he can do,
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and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes this year.
With Daniel Jones, we don't know how he's going to play.
He's gonna be the Daniel Jones of dables first year
or the last couple of years. He's also had some injury,
so there's a good chance at some point Richardson plays again.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom to LESCo. Of course, longtime jet manager
of the La Chargers last year jail manager of the
Las Vegas Raiders, H Terry McLaurin. That deal finally gets done,
Was there anything numbers wise that was so alarming that
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it should have taken this log.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
I guess we'll find out down the road. I mean
up to ninety six million. It could mean a lot
of different things, so we'll see when the numbers come in.
My guess is when it's all said and done, he'll
be right in that top ten range. Not necessarily the
top five, but top ten, which I think is a
good spot. You'll get a nice deserved raise. Was it
worth to hold in I don't know. I don't know
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how the negotiations for it back and forth, but he's
gets a pretty good raise and he's got two weeks
to get ready to play. That's the only thing I'm
concerned about as a receiver, and because he didn't have
a full off season program he was rehabbing an ankle
injury and then no training camp. Receivers obviously the high
volume running position, and you know how many staffs will
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he be able to play opening day? I mean, certainly
in conditioning shape. It's just a difference between conditioning shape
and football shape. But I'm really glad it got done.
This was the point where, in the same thing with
the Hendrickson deal, they need to get done now to
get ready for opening day. But there's some deadlines coming
up the kind and they kind of spur that, but
I think the numbers are kind of come in where
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we expected, which be right around at top ten Toms.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Let's go our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
What do you do with Micah Parsons?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Like, it's one thing to ask to be traded and
go through all this sort of thing like laying down
on the massage table during a game, just generally acting
like an ass right, Like, what what do you do there?
If you're in charge of the Cowboys? How do you
how do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (43:51):
This is this is real theater, you know, from the
outside looking, and it's a totally different than the McLaurin
and Hendrickson holdout. Yeah, the laying the table not the
look you're looking for. Whether you're laying on the table
for thirty seconds or thirty minutes, it's just not the
look you're looking for. First off, They're just you have
to have communication between yourself and the agent. And I
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just think in this situation, until the agent is part
of the process, I just don't see the deal getting done.
And I know every team does it different ways. I
know the Cowboys have done in different ways, but in
this situation, until there's direct communications and negotiations with the agent,
I just don't see anything getting done. Now. The big
thing is we move into to cut the fifty three
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and get ready for opening day. You know, if you're
holding out and you're not there and you don't play
in the game, obviously you wouldn't make your your base
salaries for that week. But if you're holding in, you're
on the active roster, and if you don't play in
the game, then the club would still owe you and
his you know, for him, it'd be over a million dollars,
to be one point three million dollars for that game.
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I see no way the Cowboys are going to pay
one point three million to not play in the game.
So something has to break here, whether it's to get
the deal done or it's there's conduct detrimental for refusing
to play, and then you can either you can find
the player, you can suspend him. Something's going to have
to happen because he's on the active roster. He's due
to be paid week one right now, even though he's
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not going to play. So I'd be shocked in the
next seven days if there wasn't some movement one way
or another. But it has to start with communication on
both sides, and you know more so on the Cowboys side.
It sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Stug Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
How far away is Jackson dart.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Well. I'm a big Jackson Dark fan. From the draft
and then watching the preseason that I haven't changed my mind.
So yeah, I think he could go in and play
right now at what level he would take some lumps.
I mean just it's natural as a rookie quarterback. But
I think he could play right now. But it's also
not a bad thing that he hits and waits. I
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mean it's different for every quarterback. It's different for every situation.
I think Brian Dable definitely he's going to pick the
quarterback they can that he feels right now has give
him the best chance to win opening day. He feels like,
right now it's Russell Wilson. But I think at the
time comes, whether it's September, October, November, December, I think
Jack's won't be ready to go. I'm ready to play.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Matt Stafford starting to like, how do you handle that?
Where you just you have no idea. I mean, I
guess you got Garoppolo, who's you led a team to
a Super Bowl? But how do you handle that in
terms of how much you invest in Stafford in real time?
Like obviously I'm not talking contractually, but what what how
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do you how do you handle the Stafford thinking?
Speaker 5 (46:44):
For the Rams, Well, it's literally going to be day
by day, and it sounds like it's getting better day
by day. But as a lot of us know with
back injuries and that if it has effected your nerves,
you know, sometimes the rehab process and the strength it
comes very slowly, and so they have to kind of
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gradually start moving them in. But you have to also
have a plan B with with Garoppolo in case Stafford
is not ready to play. So probably in practice with
your ones, probably the backup quarterback Garoppolo in this case,
you'll probably take more snaps than he usually would to
get him ready in case he has to play, which
is completely fine because Staffer probably you probably don't want
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to have him take every snap right now in practice.
So they've got thirteen fourteen days ago before opening day,
still have some time. But essentially, if you're the coach,
you know you really have to get two quarterbacks ready
to play, since just you know back range back injuries
are unpredictable. I know he has missed very he hasn't
missed very much time in his career, but he's had
back injuries in the past. And you know, the older
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you get, it doesn't get better. So don't have a
plan for both. But in practice you're certainly going to work.
Both quarterbacks are good amount.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
He's the one only tom te LESCo. Of course, what
does he know. He's only been in professional football his
entire professional life and been a gentle manager for twelve
years in the National Football League. Last thing, Tommy, do
you like this system where it's basically like one big
cutdown or did you like the old system better?
Speaker 5 (48:20):
So I like this better because he gives every player
a chance to compete for a job. The only hard
part about it was just administratively releasing thirty seven players
over a day or two. It's just a lot of work.
You want to spend enough time with each player on
his way out, just as a courtesy to talk to
him about what he did about career options moving forward.
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That sort of things. You want to make sure you
take the right time. The head coach to physician coaches.
There's a lot of time involved. But I like the
one cut because because everybody get a chance to show
what they can do for the certainly for the third
preseason game, you have a really good chance to play
your young guys. If you're tea that doesn't want to
play their starters. It gives you enough players to play
the third preseason game and give every player, especially college
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for agents that when you sign a mask for the draft,
part of the recruiting process is we're going to give
you the whole offseason program. We're gonna give you all
training camp in three preseason games to show us what
you can do. And guys need that, and so I
like this. It's just administratively over a two day span.
It's just a lot of players to let go of.
Now you know roughly half will come back on practice squads. Sure,
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but no, it's a process. It's not fun really from
players obviously, but the process itself of building that initial
fifty three is a very enjoyable process.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
He's time to LESCo. He's built the original fifty three
as the gentleman as a gentle manager for twelve twelve
different years and just love having you love soaking up
that knowledge. Tom, thanks so much for joining us. We'll
talk next week, all right, it sounds good.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
You had a.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Spectacular, spectacular weekend. All the boys are here. The great
Dan Byer you heard him on radio yesterday. I want
to talk about what he saw from his Hawks Seahawks
Jay Still who liked me a Charger fan, so hey,
we were want to know and in a division play
and off for the rest of the weekend and getting
(00:47):
all healed up. That stuff was great. And then of
course you got your boy here who Now I get
two teams, and both teams will want to know, and
so is my fantasy team. That's all want to know
as well. So we're all we're all good. We'll get
to the Bills come back against the Ravens in a second.
(01:07):
We'll get to the Lions getting dismembered and dismantled by
the Packers in a second.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Okay, but I.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Do need to pat myself on the back. Chase two
and Dan Byer. We've been together long enough that you
remember a couple of years ago, there was this Herbert
versus Tua thing, right, Herbert versus Tua. Now it was
mainly mainly Emmanuel Acho and others calling out Justin Herbert
(01:38):
as what was it? A social media quarterback, a social
media sensation. And the idea wasn't that he was on
social media, is that social media likes him more than
the reality of who he is quarterback. And the thing was, hey,
Tua Tua is really the better quarterback. And not only
did I believe that was laughable at the time, they
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actually played against each other on Monday Night football. I
went to that game with my son and I came
back and I think also as steven A called out
Herbert as well at the time, and I went to
that game and Tyreek Hill made two unbelievable plays in
the first half. Otherwise it's non competitive, was mostly a
non competitive game. And the takeaway, very very simply was,
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if you think those two players are anywhere in the
same solar system, you haven't actually watched football. You haven't
actually watched football. So knowing that, understanding that if you've
now watched Week one, and I don't want most opinions
(02:50):
have to be willing to evolve or change. Because if
there's one thing we've learned about early season NFL, it's
whatever you saw this weekend, very very Normally, half the
teams will look completely different week two, sometimes for the better, sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
For the worse.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
But we do have I believe enough data to tell
you that I think McDaniel's going to get fired this year.
He was my wasn't he my first pick? Jay Stu
on our hot seat list last week? By the way,
congratulations to Jason Stewart. He gave you the j Stue
team parlay. They both hit over the weekend. So on
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Fridays listen to Jay Stu both of his hit this weekend.
Wasn't Mike McDaniel my pick? I believe that was my pick?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Byer would know? Byer does the games remember this?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Well?
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, I mean he had the shortest odds. I know
you want to take the victory lapdug, but it was
two to one that McDaniel was the first coach to
be fired is.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
There anybody in this room that would now take Tua over?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Justin Herbert, I don't think that it's been that way
in a while.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I agree, I agree, but now it's like there's just
no way, and there's like they picked the wrong horse,
that's it, and they they've tried to put him in
the perfect situation, and that perfect situation continues to be
less perfect because you can only provide so much space
(04:24):
and timing for a guy for a period of time
for everybody kind of figures it out. I'm not saying
to a stinks, but I think he it's going to
be a tough year for him as they're trying to
figure out how to get the ball to Tyreek Hill
in space and others have figured out how to take
(04:44):
that away. Hill is frustrated, and Tua doesn't look like
he has the ability to elevate a team if he
can't do it on time and on target, can't do
it on his own. Herbert does, Okay, let's get to
the last nights, come back byer. What time do you
click off for the radio on a Sunday. It's five
(05:06):
o'clock local, so eight eastern, okay, So then you drive
home there's no real traffic driving home. Usually get home
and do you settle in and watch the game right away?
You connect with Berdy Lisa right away, like what's your
pattern on a Sunday?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I get home, I brought food home, and then I
brought the game up on my phone because Brody was
watching something on TV right Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Was there ever a point where you're like, Okay, I'm
good now, I got to get ready for tomorrow, I
got to go to bed, or did you watch.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The entire thing? No, I watch the entire thing. It's
one of the advantages you have on being the West
Coast because you don't have to, you know, game into
like eight thirty ish or something.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So I was on the West Coast, Okay. I was
out at a bar and restaurant and literally five minutes
to go, they were down with fifteen points. I was
like forty to twenty five. And there was a group
that I was kind of watching over their shoulder on
this beautiful TV, and everybody collectively when the Ravens scored
(06:05):
the touchdown to give him forty was like, that's it.
That's all not even pay attention anymore. That's literally what happened.
And then I get back last night and I look
at my phone and you guys are on the group text,
and I'm like, I don't even know what happened. So
I had to go back and watch. And there's a
long day, a long weekend of watching a ton of football.
(06:28):
Here here's Josh Allen. He had a message to fans
that left the stadium early.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Our team didn't quit.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
I mean, I think there's people that left the stadium
that's okay, We'll be fine, but have some fate next time.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Here's Josh Allen on how they came back and won.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
They took everybody there. I'm just proud of our team
for staying in it. No one on the sideline blinked.
I mean, down fifteen points whenever we were with five
six minutes left, staying with it, fans leaving, you know,
the stadium. You know, you gotta play this game for
sixty minutes. And that's that's a really good offit that
we just played. And you know, God willing we take
care of business how we're supposed to and how we
(07:06):
think we will. You know, it's probably a team we'll
see again. So you know they're they're a greatly coached team.
Hats off to them for having a really good game plan.
But you know, gotta were stuck in there, and I'm
just proud of our guys.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Doug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's a
little counterintuitive that a team that can run the football
with Derrick Henry, can run the football with Lamar Jackson,
can give up that level of lead, right, because the
old adage you have a lead, well, that's a running team.
They know what they're doing and they just run it
down your throat and they have two incredible options.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Arguably, or maybe inarguably, the greatest running quarterback of all
time in Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry has been, if
not the best running back in the league. In any
conversation of the best running back in the league, what
five last five to seven years? Okay, so you have
those two, a good offensive line, the other team's got
(07:59):
to be tie. Our defense been on the field a
bunch games should be over. I didn't know this until
after the comeback and win that John Harball his teams
had suffered more comebacks than any other coach in the NFL.
Here's Harball on what happened.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Are you disappointing. We're just gonna have to regroup and
get ready to go play a long season. We've got
sixteen games in front of us, good football team, tough environment. Obviously,
we did many good things, but we didn't play well
at the end. Two big situations. The fourth down play,
I mean, that's kind of a play that you don't
really expect to happen. I mean, it was pretty pretty
lucky play, but they made it between the scrambles. Josh
(08:38):
Allen played a great game obviously, especially at the end
in the fourth quarter to make those plays. Scramble plays,
extended extended completions, and then a couple of big pass plays.
So that's it. We're disappointed, but we'll be We'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's there's a couple different
parts to it. Remember after heading up forty to twenty five,
when I clicked it off, it was because the Bill's
punted on the next possession. Five plays and they punted.
But then it was the Ravens who ran the ball,
you know, twice in a row, then had a penalty okay,
then threw the ball and then had the punt it again.
(09:19):
But what leads to every comeback in baseball. Every comeback
in baseball feels the same leadoff, walk right. Every comeback
in basketball feels like feels the same like a couple
of threes and a couple of turnovers, a couple of
(09:42):
empty possessions, and some momentum plays. In football, a turnover,
especially a fumble, is almost always what leads to these comebacks.
And of all guys, it's a Derrick Henry, a running
back who he's a big, old strong dude. The last
thing you'd expect him to fumble, and he did. Here's
Derrick Henry on the funnel.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Well, first of all, I mean I gotta take care
of the ball. Told my teammates at the game, put
the boss on me. I own it like a man,
I ween. Besides taking care of the ball since we
since we got Baston, it's a big games, especially in
all them, and running back and taking care of the football,
keeping the high and tighten like a like a days ago,
and when they made a play. But you know, I
put the boss on me. I take care of the ball.
(10:24):
Bundy to be a different situation for me. But as
far as the offense, you just got to ask you
you and he didn't do as well. You know, you
had to end, so we just gotta look at the
film and correct him.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Now, now, look, there's a miracle fourth down catch, right,
that also happens. I mean, think of think of Brady
in the Super Bowl down twenty eight to three.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What leads to it? Turnovers and oh yeah, by the way,
Julian Edelman catching catching a football in a once in
a lifetime catch. So there's how you come back. Who
the players are that changes. What's almost always the same
is turnover miracle, Like one incredible momentum shifting miracle play,
(11:10):
and and then the offense becomes you know, goes into
a shell and becomes the turtle. Because yes there was
a fumble, yes that changed everything in the game, but
the Ravens had two other possessions where three and out
and three and out in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
You gotta keep.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Playing, right, And I'm not being critical of Harbaugh. Look,
first year as a Division one head, Ben's coach. You know,
up fourteen to Youngstown, up up fourteen late to Oakland,
Like we've suffered these four I know what happens. I've
you feel that, and the NFL, it's almost always a turnover.
(11:54):
Usually a fumble, a miracle play, and then your offense
just gets so conservative that the defense salivates, gets a stop,
and then you got a Josh Allen who's a special,
special player. The last part to it is, I understand
(12:14):
Josh Allen has not gotten to a Super Bowl yet.
I understand that Josh Allen has at times try to
do things too much on his own. I do understand
also that if we're honest with ourselves, they were still
down forty to twenty five, right, Like, let's not lose
track of most of the game was dominated by the
Ravens offense, but there's no additional level of clutchness in
(12:41):
your ability to come back. And you're like, well, he
hasn't done the playoffs. Yes he has. When they lost
to the Chiefs couple years ago and they had the
thirteen second you know, comeback drive, kick the field goal
and win an overtime. He played a perfect game under
an immense amount of pressure as a player last night.
There's an immense amount of pressure on him to deliver
(13:03):
in the clutch, and he did. It doesn't mean that
he's the clutchest player in the NFL from week one,
And I do reserve the right to go. Hey, maybe
the fact that the Ravens were up means the Ravens
are that much better. They just went in the turtle
in the shell and that's why they lost. All those
things are possible, But I've never understood the mentality of fans,
(13:25):
the mentality of broadcasters to call out the clutches of
a player who's shown you that they can in fact
be clutched, they can in fact pull off miracles. Sometimes
it's those miracles, those comebacks, those clutch performances. They may
not always come out in an AFC championship game or
an AFC playoff game. His actually has, but you can't.
(13:50):
I just struggle with the mentality that you can only
be clutching the playoffs, not clutching the regular season. Regular
season clutch doesn't count. Just some food for thought for you.
Speaker 9 (14:00):
This is the best of the Don dot Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (14:07):
What but You?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in.
I hope you're having a great day, maybe the greatest
day you've ever had in your entire life. What if
that happened today, Today was the greatest day in your life?
Could be Ryan, You're just like your Debbie Downer.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Don't be a no, just being honest.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, Okay, my boy Jay Stu in the house. So
I'm just gonna put this out there a real quick
before we get to what we want to get to
in this part of the show. I've just been told
that Buyer and Jay Stu are headed to Buffalo for
(14:47):
Dolphin's bills. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That's correct?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Okay. Now I don't know, I'm without looking, i don't
know if we're on in Buffalo. I'm sure we're on
somewhere close to Buffalo. So here's the deal. I've sent
out some text. I have a very high level of
confidence that between Tom to LESCo, who we just had on,
who's from Buffalo originally like hometown, and between my other
connections in the NFL and Thursday Night Football, I'll see
(15:13):
some of those people. A couple of TNF people owe
me a favor that I'll be able to get you tickets.
What I need great, and that's not what I need.
I need Bill's Mafia to take care of these two
guys because Dan wants to go to what's say in
the stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
High Mark Stadium.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
What was it originally called back when we were king Richfield, Richfield.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Richfield Rich.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Dan wants to go and see the stadium before they
bulldoze the stadium.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Right that. Yes, that's the only Yes. What's the other
part to it? No, that that is the only reason.
Buffalo is one of the few cities that also well,
the other reason would be Buffalo is one of the
few cities in the United States like major cities. I've
never been to. Okay, so I would like to see
what Buffalo is like. Dated that game is what?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It's a week from third? Yes, okay, so it was seventeenth,
the seventeenth noted seventeenth?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Is that it? Is it the eighteenth?
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Jay eighteenth eight eighth okay, eighteenth? Ironically, I'll be here,
I'm here, you're there. It's a big junior college of
Ventward some recruiting in California. That that that Friday. Anyway,
So here's what I need. Okay, Dan Byer, please give
your Twitter handle at Dan Bayer on Fox Jay STU.
(16:29):
Please give your Twitter handle.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
At Jason Stewart as it's spelled ew yep.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
At Jason Stewart. Okay, and you can include me at
Gottlieb show if you'd like, If you don't like, this
does not involve me. This involves There's zero doubt in
my mind that some member of Bill's Mafia is listening
to the show. And whether they member remember Jay Stu
from back in the old Rome days, okay, or they're
just an avid listener, or you listen to Dan on weekends,
or you download is I Want your Flex podcast? Nice
(16:57):
little plug there, or you're just listening to the DG show,
or you dude, Okay, you can't have Dan Byer come
and say this is the final stop on my I've
seen every city tour and going to uh what is it?
Save Mark Kimark Stadium, Okay, and see the Buffalo Bills
and not hang out.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
With Bill's Mafia. Fair, Absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's that's like going to Manhattan and not going in
to see a show. That's like coming to la and
not seeing a homeless person. It's not part of the trip.
You haven't made the full trip. It's like my brother
says this. My brother used to have a joke. I
don't know if this joke. He's like, you haven't been
to It's not really a trip to Mexico unless you've
(17:41):
seen something on fire, three legged dog, and somebody selling
you cheek lay at the border, right, And if you've
been to Mexico, you're like, yeah, it's all three of
those things. Good you had a Mexico trip. Otherwise you
just went to a resort, a real Mexico trip. Is
something on fire, three legged dog, somebody selling your cheek ley,
I'll I'll alternate oranges as well where you get sold oranges.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yes, there is something about this stadium, and I even
think when you look back at the eighties and nineties
when we grew up watching football, it was a different look.
It just it doesn't look like an NFL stadium and
that's why I love it. And now they've got their
new stadium that will probably look like a lot of others.
(18:24):
It'll have all the bells and whistles, the whole deal.
But there's just been something unique about this. The camera
angle is always super low on TV, which I think
that makes it even more intriguing when you're watching it.
But I just wanted to see a game. This is
probably for at least a decade, I've wanted to go,
(18:44):
and now time is running out and it's now forcing
my hand.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
can we hook these guys up? Please hook these guys up.
They need to be shown the greatest third night experience
in Buffalo history. This is on you, Bills, Mafia. Don't
say you're don't say this is a great place, and
not show our guys a good time. Jason Stewart, Dan Bayer,
(19:10):
find them on social media and connect with them, and
you guys keep me updated as to the connections. Let's
get to love and hate.
Speaker 9 (19:18):
What did you love?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
God?
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I love you?
Speaker 9 (19:20):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Meet these player haters?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
What'd you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from
the weekend? Ryan, You're gonna have to find something nice
to say. That's part of love. Let's start with that
resident at level boy, Dan Byer, what'd you love in
the weekend?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Well, I'll tell you what. It was quite the experience
that I had on Saturday night. My wife and I
talking about looking forward to things. Ever since we found
out that Oasis was reuniting. I had been looking forward
to going to see their show. And we are lucky
enough living in southern California than in one of their
(19:58):
five US stops, show in Chicago, two in New York,
and to in LA that I was able to attend
one of them. So Saturday night, my wife and I
saw Oasis Live twenty five the Reunion tour, and it
was everything and everything that I expected and so much more.
It was just it was great. It was hit after hit,
(20:23):
absolutely love the atmosphere Rose Bowl was packed. It was
just it was amazing and it was such an energy.
One of those concerts where you're still thinking about it
and talking about it a day later. Two days later,
you're still listening to the music. So that's what I
love from this weekend was checking out Oasis and seeing
Oasis on Saturday night.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
So those guys packed the Rose Bowl. Yes, after being
completely gone for thirty years? Is that how long?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It is not that long? Probably about fifteen or so.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Oh okayes Man, and you were very familiar with their
catalog going in, Yes, Okay, I'm not. I think I
know that very high level couple hits.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
It's one of the weirdest things ever, I mean, genius marketing.
But I would agree, like I flew out here from
Nashville right went to a wedding on on the weekend.
On Friday, and there was people coming in for the
concert from Nashville like Oasis, and I was like, is
I missed the I missed the Oasis was that big.
(21:24):
But they have whatever, whether it's not touring, whether they
become more popular in the time since they actually whatever it.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Is, it's kind of crazy crazy. It's just it's great
song after great song. And I think that they're dynamic,
and them as brothers is something that is so captivating.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Didn't know their brothers?
Speaker 2 (21:46):
You didn't know Liam and Nole were brothers. No, you
knew that, right, Jason.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I knew that. I knew they headed each other for
many y.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Yeah, because that's so much about the story of and
why they weren't and why they weren't together. It was
that they were brothers. Liam's the younger other, and yeah,
it was just it was magnificent. Paul McCartney, oddly enough
attended the attended the show on Saturday night. It was
just great. It was eighty thousand people just having the
(22:14):
time of their lives and people were flying in because
they've said, and this may be wrong, but I would
say this last night. Yeah, this is not that they're
getting together, and maybe they will be because they are
on good terms right now. Even Liam's always trying to
hug nol. But there were only five shows in the States.
It wasn't like they're gonna go to San Diego this
(22:35):
week and then the next weekend they're up in Seattle.
Then they'll hit Denver, then they'll go down to Texas
and play Dallas and Houston. No, it was Chicago, two
nights in New York, two nights in LA. Then they'll
go to Mexico City, they'll go to Asia and Australia,
and they've got some couple of shows in South America,
like three shows in South America in November, and then
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that's the tour.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
And is it tonight as well?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
No, it was last night, Saturday.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
It just came up on my memories. So six years ago,
this September, I went to see the Stones for the
first time at the Rose Bowl. I have a logistics
question for you. Where did you park? And how much
of a pain in the ass was it to get
out of the park.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
We were so early, we were there at five thirty.
Oasis didn't get on until eight forty five. It was
easy as pie. We were pretty close. We were close
to the we parked on the golf course. We were
actually close to the clubhouse, so we didn't have far
to walk. And yeah, just I mean a little bit,
but when you have eighty thousand people, a little bit
of a delay to get out. But it wasn't it
wasn't a headache at all.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Good for you.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yeah, it worked out well.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Okay. So Aaron Rodgers I mentioned last week, it's a
story that I'm following the closest this season. I'm interested
to see how he does. He beat the Jets at
the Jets. I wasn't very interested in this revenge angle.
I don't think there's enough. There wasn't enough time spent
there for there to be a major revenge. I do
know that there was that reported incident or exchange between
(24:06):
him and the Jets new head coach where Aaron Rodgers
flew across the country only to be told we don't
need you. He addressed it after the game last night.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
You spoke about the meeting with Alan Glenn on McAfee
a few months ago.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
Beating him is the significance in that sense, he basically
told you to your face that he.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Didn't think you were right for that team.
Speaker 10 (24:28):
Yes, that's what he did, so there are significance in
beating him. For you, I was happy to beat everybody
associated with the Jets. It was nice to win, especially,
you know, hearing some of the cat calls out there
and the boobirds. You know, I don't I'm not sensitive
about that. I expected that, you know, I kind of
(24:48):
liked that. But there were probably people in the organization
I didn't think I could play anymore, So it was
nice to remind those people that I still can.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Four touchdowns, no intercept. The Steelers won on a Boswell
I want to say, what sixty year old sixty yard
field goal. It was a very entertaining game to watch
for a couple of reasons, but one of them was
the old man won and I'm rooting for him, so
it was great to say. I love saying that.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
What were the other reasons?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Because Justin Fields looked great and I wish I had
Justin Fields on my fantasy team. He's fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, No, I mean that was interesting. Also, huge fumble
and special teams in the Jets. Gigantic fumble and special
teams of the Jets. Ryan, what you.
Speaker 11 (25:33):
Got well, anything to do with the Boston area. I
despise Doug So me being a Raiders fan who's still
upset over the Tuck rule, it made me grin from
ear to ear that my Raiders beat the Patriots. I
don't like Josh McDaniels. I don't know why he keeps
getting job opportunities. He sucks. And I just love the
(25:57):
fact that Pete Carroll, seventy plus years old, they go
into New England and they beat the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
That's what I love.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
Raid Raid is, raid is.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yeah, it was good Win. I'll I'll tell you what
I loved was the green back Packers looked like a
champion team. They just did and was the offense lights out?
Like no, like Detroit is still good. Detroit seems to
lack whatever that special something they had had. And we'll
(26:42):
like like we're being fair. Week one is hard. New coordinator,
some some different pieces from last year, but Micah Parsons
did not play a ton of snaps and they still
dominated the Lions. Now, if you can start out to
and oh at home Lie and Commanders on Thursday night,
now you're cooking. Now you're cooking. And for the most part,
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I think they had one possible injury going to yesterday.
But the Packers it just felt and looked different. Maybe
it was that the Lions weren't ready, maybe that the
Lions it hadn't played enough in the new system. But
I think a lot of it was there's just an
energy to this Packers team, which feels like Super Bowl energy.
I could be wrong, because I've been following the Chargers
(27:26):
for so long. I haven't seen super Bowl energy felt
that way. All right, let's get to what we hated
from the weekend. A resident hater although that we have
two with you and Ryan, but let's start with you, Jaysuo.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
So since Sam isn't here today, I feel kind of
compelled to sam up my hate because three things I
really hated this weekend, I couldn't stand them. But I
won't do it. I won't Sam it up, but I
will mention that. I won't mention that Pat Mahomes acting
like he's going out of bounds and then laying a
blow on our cornerback with the Chargers. I thought that
(28:01):
was Bush league. And the Kara Swisher Elizabeth Warren look
alike who stole the ball from the ten year old
kid on Saturday night that I hated too for many
reasons we'll get into in the podcast. Okay, but something
that happened Saturday night, that's a new woe. And I
know Dan Byer I already nobody's going to say to this. Yeah,
(28:22):
it's really easy to complain. You're in first place, you're
the defending world champions, you'll probably win the division for
the next ten years. But this Dodgers team has been
particularly annoying, has been particularly frustrating, and it reached a
new woe on Saturday night. Our pitcher was throwing a
no hitter, two outs in the ninth inning, two outs,
(28:46):
one out away from a no hitter for Yamamoto. Your
guy Jackson Holiday ruined that hits a solo home run
to make it three to one. So we're like, okay, cool,
three to one, we still got the game. No, No,
let's bring in Blake Trinan double hit a guy walk walk,
so it's three to two, bases loaded, and they bring
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in our guy, Tanner Scott, and the only thing that
guy's good at is giving away leads, single up the middle.
Dodgers lose. This is not becoming of a championship team.
Something's broken. They seemingly fixed everything in one weekend with
the Padres and have been a broken team around that weekend.
(29:28):
I can't put my finger on it. I hate that.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I just for perspective. I was talking to Matt during
the first inning after Jackson flied out deep in the
first inning, and because Matt went with work with Jackson
when they're in San Diego, and since you've seen his numbers,
and he was talking about how like it's just very
normal for a hitter, this is what happens in your
first real full season the Bigs, whatever. And then to
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see that reward with that home run was huge. They
hit the home run and I stopped paying attention again,
and then they comeback win. That was I knew you
were going to right give me yours that you hated.
Speaker 11 (30:01):
Uh, Philly, Karen, just because what blew my mind is, uh,
You're in Philly and no one checked her. I mean,
it's not like you're you're in some classy place.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
It was. It was in Florida. Yeah, they were just
a lot of Phillys.
Speaker 11 (30:19):
Even worse, you're in Florida, a lot of crazy people
out there, and no one checked her.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Really, what do you mean checked her?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
She took the ball from a kid.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Oh, I mean she was so entitled.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
Exactly, someone needed to go over there and check her.
And and and no one said anything that it booter.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I actually think the dad was the one who's is
he's just got it like no, no, if here's the rule, okay,
the rule is the ball's hit at you. You don't
catch the ball, it's fair game, right and and and
I will also point out I am not the guy
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if you sit in a place that might get to
get and you want to bring a glove to a game,
it's literally the only time in sports I would allow it.
Oh wow, those things come off a rockets like you
got to if you want to. But if you drop
the ball like sorry, and then yes, in the hierarchy
of who gets the ball first, kids before women before men, right,
And the only thing that can usurp all of those
(31:20):
is if you served in the military. Wait, I forgot
hold on kids, elderly women, men right, And again military
probably ahead of both, but the military guys will almost
all give it to the kids, elderly women.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
There it seems like the in sports, a fly ball
at a major I'm sorry, a foul ball or a
home run at a major league baseball field is like
one of the last things that's like, it's survival of
the fittest. It's a meritocracy. If you get the ball,
you earn the ball. And then you add the fact
that it's the guy's tenth are the kid's tenth birthday
(32:00):
that he was giving the ball to. Everything worked out
fine because Harrison Bader, the guy who hit the omron,
met the kid afterwards and gave him a ball on
a bat and signed it and everything. And our girl,
Karen was I guess doxed, and it was reported that
she lost her job. I don't think any of that's true,
but anyways, yeah, that was amazing. Brought it up.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I get something I hated. Sorry, sorry, Dan, I'll get
you next. It wasn't that Oklahoma State got beat. It
wasn't even that they got beat sixty nine to three.
That's part of it. Two parts to it. First, I
hate the you get embarrassed like that, the lack of reality.
But you've got a fire Gundy Day's passed. But like,
(32:43):
this is a whole new world for them. They've never
spent money and now they're spending money. And I think
it's pretty obvious they didn't spend money terribly wisely, and
they had a backup quarterback and this is what happens, right,
But this is the downside to the portal era. Okay,
they had like fifteen practices before they played a game.
Now they played two games, so you're talking like twenty
(33:04):
practices in. There was no fight at all. They laid down,
they got their absolute asses handed to them, and did
not fight for one another. And what's that because because
they didn't go there because they give a crap about
Oklahoma State. They went there because they gave a crap
about a paycheck. Okay, if you haven't figured out what's
(33:25):
ruining college sports, and look, we sucked last year, I
can't put a pretty picture on four and twenty eight.
I just can't. I know our kids fought with everything
they had, and they stuck together, and they played for
one another, and they played for the school. It's not perfectky,
but I can tell you that they fought. And the
problem with what's changed in college athletics is, in order
(33:49):
to get it going, you gotta go out and pay
money to players. And if you pay money to the
wrong guys, you get a bunch of turns, and that
it doesn't show its head in a game when you're winning.
It's when you're losing, Like why fight? Like I'm still
getting paid, I don't care. Like these aren't my guys.
I've been here a couple of weeks. Go play somewhere
else next year. That mentality sucks, And like, look, do
(34:15):
I think Oregon ran it up?
Speaker 4 (34:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
But Oregon taking special Glee you're better. I just I
don't know Landings. There's a little dB in there that
he's a really good coach. They're an awesome team. Aughtson's
an amazing place. But like, dude, when you're two ex
to spending, that's what happens.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Dan Byer, what do you got? I don't want to
follow that. I think that's a perfect way to end
love and hate.
Speaker 9 (34:36):
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Speaker 1 (34:46):
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and of course last year with the Las Vegas Raiders.
(35:07):
Kind of to spend some time with us every week
here on the show. Okay, first, let me just get
to the actual performance in the game. We did get
the chance to see Flacco look good. Dylan Gabriel came in,
Chador struggled. We saw Snoop Huntley before he got before
he got released. What was your assessment of how the
(35:28):
two rookie quarterbacks for the Browns play.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
Well? I agree with you. Dylan Gabriel looked looked good
for the second game in the row. He just he
can move the team. He makes quick decisions, he gets
the ball out of his hand quickly. He's got a
pretty good zip for a smaller quarterback. He's got good
arm strength, which you don't see all the time with
a smaller quarterback. But he looked similar to what he
looked in college. And that was a positive. And Shador,
(35:53):
you know, didn't have his best day. He played much
better that the two games before. You know there and
and I can see I think part of this developmental
process with him was not putting him out there for
that two minutes thrial, just because some of the body
language coming off the field after two tough series just
wasn't what you'd expect. If you don't want your quarterback
(36:15):
to just walk off the field with his head down.
There there's there's gonna be adversity, you know, down to
down series the series. You have to handle that as
a quarterback. So on the outst looking in, I was
wondering if this was Kevin Stephan just saying, hey, look
this this is a teaching moment for you as far
as how you handle the lows on the field, and
we're gonna let Snoop take this last drive. But I
think you can tell by the way it lined up.
(36:36):
Obviously Slack was the starter Dylan Gabriel. He was drafted
above should or for a reason. They must have had
him ranked higher, and he didn't show anything in the
preseason that would lead you to believe that he would
drop in the Dutch chart. So you're looking at him
as the two. I guess is a three? Can you
take us the wild card? I don't know how he
fits in there right now because he just didn't play
a lot in the preseason. Is either two, is either three?
(36:59):
Is someone they move that remains to be seen before Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I want to make sure I state I am not
putting it out there. I'll tell you my own feelings
in a second. I have seen other people and now
there are more former players than anything. Saying Stefanski is
basically sabotaging shadoor right put him out there with Lineman
(37:28):
he was going to cut and didn't let him be
the hero and play the two minutes drow which every
quarterback dreams of.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Is there any scenario where that's a possibility.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Maybe great for sports talk radio, but not in reality. No,
that's not absolutely not. I mean he's, first of all,
he's a very good head coach that has a good
track record on the offensive side of the ball. He
knows what he's looking at. He's also in a situation
where he has four quarterbacks he's trying to get a
really good look at. I know you don't need as
much look at Joe Flaccob, you still want to make
(38:01):
sure you know where he is performance level is. So
he had a tough challenge going into training camp. They
get four quarterbacks enough reps, not like to show what
they can do, but to help them develop. So he
knows what he's doing, and yeah, no, he's not out
there sabotaging anything. It's just you only get so many series,
and I do think he's just trying to teach these guys.
(38:22):
And he had a rough series, had a rough couple
of series there, he has some great series. You know,
in the first preseason game, you're going to have up
and downs as a rookie quarterback. That's just part of
life and part of life and professional football is learning
how to deal with that, because when you're the quarterback,
not only does everybody not the fans and media looking
at you, your teammates are looking at you. So you know,
(38:42):
just you don't want to see your quarterback just walking
off the field after a series or walking off with
his head down. That I think he was more a
teaching moment than anything else.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Does all of this noise surrounding should Dour.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Does.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Does this make it if the Browns thing doesn't work?
Does it make it less likely somebody else picks him up?
Speaker 5 (39:07):
That's a good point, just because I want to say no,
But then you know, he was also drafted in the
fifth round. I think some of that was just due
to the noise people were worried about coming in. But
the bottom line is he has starter talent in the NFL.
Is he ready for prime time? Probably not ready quite yet,
but he has starter talent. He's got good enough arm strength,
(39:28):
He's got good feel in the pocket that I get
some time more on the inconsistent level, but he can
feel a rush, he can get the ball out of
his hands, and he's relatively accurate. So he has some
skills there. He's put a lot of staffs in college football,
but he has to adapt to the NFL game. It's
going to take some time. Certainly somebody would give an
(39:49):
opportunity somewhere else. How many teams would, I'm not sure,
just because what I said, like he was drafted in
the fifth round when really his talent level said he
should have gone higher. So the probably some teams to
maybe skirt off by that. I think the smarter teams
see a potential potential starter down the road. Maybe not
right now, but down the road. It's something you have
to take a look at.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Is Anthony Richardson done in Indy?
Speaker 5 (40:12):
Well, I mean he's had plenty of opportunities there. They
say he's not, and I do believe them. They've been
loyal to their players. They've been loyal to him and
give them opportunities. But he may be a situation that
other first round pick quarterbacks have fallen into, just like
Daniel Jones with the Giants. He may kneed a change
of scenery. That's never a bad thing, and that could
(40:36):
come up. And if you look how Daniel Jones handed
his process, he handled it really well. We've released during
the season from the Giants. It just didn't work out.
You know, a lot of options at that point, including me.
I was trying to sign on to come to the
active roster with the Raiders so he'd give us another
option as a starting quarterback. And he decided to sign
on the practice squad with the Vikings to kind of rehabilitate,
(40:58):
learn a little bit from Kevin O'Connell, kind of get
his kind of settle his career down a little bit,
and then be a free agent at the end of
the year and pick where to go to go compete
for a job. He took the right spot with the Colts,
competed for a job, and won the job. So Richardson
could be in that same boat eventually. But I do
believe it when they say that he'll get another opportunity there.
(41:19):
He's got a lot of talent. His ceiling's really high.
It's just the consistency level, it's just really low right now.
And it's no different than what he showed in college.
There were high, very high high and low lows, and
you're seeing the same thing at this level. And there
are also injuries at the college level, so you're seeing
a lot of the same things. But I think he'll
get another opportunity there to show what he can do,
(41:41):
and I wouldn't be surprised if it comes this year.
With Daniel Jones, we don't know how he's going to play.
He's gonna be the Daniel Jones of dables first year
or the last couple of years. He's also had some injury,
so there's a good chance at some point Richardson plays again.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Tom to LESCo. Of course, longtime jet manager
of the La Chargers last year jail manager of the
Las Vegas Raiders, H Terry McLaurin. That deal finally gets done,
Was there anything numbers wise that was so alarming that
(42:17):
it should have taken this log.
Speaker 5 (42:20):
I guess we'll find out down the road. I mean
up to ninety six million. It could mean a lot
of different things, so we'll see when the numbers come in.
My guess is when it's all said and done, he'll
be right in that top ten range. Not necessarily the
top five, but top ten, which I think is a
good spot. You'll get a nice deserved raise. Was it
worth to hold in I don't know. I don't know
(42:40):
how the negotiations for it back and forth, but he's
gets a pretty good raise and he's got two weeks
to get ready to play. That's the only thing I'm
concerned about as a receiver, and because he didn't have
a full off season program he was rehabbing an ankle
injury and then no training camp. Receivers obviously the high
volume running position, and you know how many staffs will
(43:03):
he be able to play opening day? I mean, certainly
in conditioning shape. It's just a difference between conditioning shape
and football shape. But I'm really glad it got done.
This was the point where, in the same thing with
the Hendrickson deal, they need to get done now to
get ready for opening day. But there's some deadlines coming
up the kind and they kind of spur that, but
I think the numbers are kind of come in where
(43:23):
we expected, which be right around at top ten Toms.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Let's go our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
What do you do with Micah Parsons?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Like, it's one thing to ask to be traded and
go through all this sort of thing like laying down
on the massage table during a game, just generally acting
like an ass right, Like, what what do you do there?
If you're in charge of the Cowboys? How do you
how do you handle that?
Speaker 5 (43:51):
This is this is real theater, you know, from the
outside looking, and it's a totally different than the McLaurin
and Hendrickson holdout. Yeah, the laying the table not the
look you're looking for. Whether you're laying on the table
for thirty seconds or thirty minutes, it's just not the
look you're looking for. First off, They're just you have
to have communication between yourself and the agent. And I
(44:12):
just think in this situation, until the agent is part
of the process, I just don't see the deal getting done.
And I know every team does it different ways. I
know the Cowboys have done in different ways, but in
this situation, until there's direct communications and negotiations with the agent,
I just don't see anything getting done. Now. The big
thing is we move into to cut the fifty three
(44:33):
and get ready for opening day. You know, if you're
holding out and you're not there and you don't play
in the game, obviously you wouldn't make your your base
salaries for that week. But if you're holding in, you're
on the active roster, and if you don't play in
the game, then the club would still owe you and
his you know, for him, it'd be over a million dollars,
to be one point three million dollars for that game.
(44:55):
I see no way the Cowboys are going to pay
one point three million to not play in the game.
So something has to break here, whether it's to get
the deal done or it's there's conduct detrimental for refusing
to play, and then you can either you can find
the player, you can suspend him. Something's going to have
to happen because he's on the active roster. He's due
to be paid week one right now, even though he's
(45:16):
not going to play. So I'd be shocked in the
next seven days if there wasn't some movement one way
or another. But it has to start with communication on
both sides, and you know more so on the Cowboys side.
It sounds like it.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Stug Gotlib show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
How far away is Jackson dart.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
Well. I'm a big Jackson Dark fan. From the draft
and then watching the preseason that I haven't changed my mind.
So yeah, I think he could go in and play
right now at what level he would take some lumps.
I mean just it's natural as a rookie quarterback. But
I think he could play right now. But it's also
not a bad thing that he hits and waits. I
(45:57):
mean it's different for every quarterback. It's different for every situation.
I think Brian Dable definitely he's going to pick the
quarterback they can that he feels right now has give
him the best chance to win opening day. He feels like,
right now it's Russell Wilson. But I think at the
time comes, whether it's September, October, November, December, I think
Jack's won't be ready to go. I'm ready to play.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
Matt Stafford starting to like, how do you handle that?
Where you just you have no idea. I mean, I
guess you got Garoppolo, who's you led a team to
a Super Bowl? But how do you handle that in
terms of how much you invest in Stafford in real time?
Like obviously I'm not talking contractually, but what what how
(46:42):
do you how do you handle the Stafford thinking?
Speaker 5 (46:44):
For the Rams, Well, it's literally going to be day
by day, and it sounds like it's getting better day
by day. But as a lot of us know with
back injuries and that if it has effected your nerves,
you know, sometimes the rehab process and the strength it
comes very slowly, and so they have to kind of
(47:06):
gradually start moving them in. But you have to also
have a plan B with with Garoppolo in case Stafford
is not ready to play. So probably in practice with
your ones, probably the backup quarterback Garoppolo in this case,
you'll probably take more snaps than he usually would to
get him ready in case he has to play, which
is completely fine because Staffer probably you probably don't want
(47:28):
to have him take every snap right now in practice.
So they've got thirteen fourteen days ago before opening day,
still have some time. But essentially, if you're the coach,
you know you really have to get two quarterbacks ready
to play, since just you know back range back injuries
are unpredictable. I know he has missed very he hasn't
missed very much time in his career, but he's had
back injuries in the past. And you know, the older
(47:49):
you get, it doesn't get better. So don't have a
plan for both. But in practice you're certainly going to work.
Both quarterbacks are good amount.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
He's the one only tom te LESCo. Of course, what
does he know. He's only been in professional football his
entire professional life and been a gentle manager for twelve
years in the National Football League. Last thing, Tommy, do
you like this system where it's basically like one big
cutdown or did you like the old system better?
Speaker 5 (48:20):
So I like this better because he gives every player
a chance to compete for a job. The only hard
part about it was just administratively releasing thirty seven players
over a day or two. It's just a lot of work.
You want to spend enough time with each player on
his way out, just as a courtesy to talk to
him about what he did about career options moving forward.
(48:44):
That sort of things. You want to make sure you
take the right time. The head coach to physician coaches.
There's a lot of time involved. But I like the
one cut because because everybody get a chance to show
what they can do for the certainly for the third
preseason game, you have a really good chance to play
your young guys. If you're tea that doesn't want to
play their starters. It gives you enough players to play
the third preseason game and give every player, especially college
(49:06):
for agents that when you sign a mask for the draft,
part of the recruiting process is we're going to give
you the whole offseason program. We're gonna give you all
training camp in three preseason games to show us what
you can do. And guys need that, and so I
like this. It's just administratively over a two day span.
It's just a lot of players to let go of.
Now you know roughly half will come back on practice squads. Sure,
(49:29):
but no, it's a process. It's not fun really from
players obviously, but the process itself of building that initial
fifty three is a very enjoyable process.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
He's time to LESCo. He's built the original fifty three
as the gentleman as a gentle manager for twelve twelve
different years and just love having you love soaking up
that knowledge. Tom, thanks so much for joining us. We'll
talk next week, all right, it sounds good.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
Thank you.
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