September 26, 2025 • 51 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug recaps the Thursday Night football game between the Cardinals and Seahawks as Dan Beyer wonders out loud if Marvin Harrison's successful fourth quarter could solve his issues.
Doug and the crew debate whether or not Russell Wilson is a Hall of Famer.
Doug criticizes Kirk Herbstreit after his take on college scheduling. Doug weighs in on the comments made by Shedeur Sanders about being ready to play now.
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Bring the boom X Boom. I thought last night's game
had a little bit of everything, A little bit of everything.
It had some pregame discs over a player who wasn't playing.
But I think many of us, myself included, believe believe
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that up until recently, Russell Wilson was a Hall of
Famer and now some are saying he is not. That
one's that's interesting for me. But so you had some
really good pre game chatter, you had some uniform chatter.
I personally liked the Cardinals. I like the Cardinals jerseys
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and helmets. Part of it is I think they're home
Homets are normally just terrible, right, just too much white
on them, and it feels like they need a Striperson.
It feels like they need someone else. Last night they
did not because the Cardinal logo was different but also
much bigger, and it's with the new helmets so it
looks a little cooler. But what again, you have the
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weird uniform stuff where they're wearing alternative, alternative jerseys and
the Seahawks are not. It's like, wait, did the Seahawks
not get the memo is only when you're in a
home there's a bunch you get to. Then you had
you know, Sam Donald, who is a former number three
overall pick. He's been well traveled, how well he would
he perform? Then of course you have Kyler Murray, who
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it felt like the fans were done with in the
first half and then all of a sudden they were
hopped on board. With the Lake comeback. You had a
very average to below average in terms of the actual
performance of the game, but it led to an unbelievable comeback.
Plus you have Marvin Harrison Junior who continues to struggle
just catching the football but did have a big catch
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as part of the comeback. There's a lot and then
at the end of the game you have a comeback
at tie game, should you have gone for two if
you're Arizona. If you don't go for two, well then
you know you got to figure out kickoff a new
kickoff rule which so many people still don't know. We
still don't know if the kicker knew you had to
have it in the air, pass the twenty yard line.
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Then Seattle gets the ball at the forty Jackson Smith
and Jigbu catches a ball and looks like for some
reason they were winding the clock, and then upon further review,
they didn't wind the clock. Then it felt like Seattle,
oh my gosh, are they going to throw the football
where they could turn it over. No, They're going to
hand it off and play for a sixty yard field goal,
and ends up all working out for There was a
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lot in that game, a lot. I'll give you my
thoughts on one second Buyer. You had some thoughts I
know on Marvin Harrison Junior. Didn't you?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, I just think it's such an interesting storyline for Doug.
We were sitting here twenty four hours ago. I said,
if the Cardinals lose, the storyline is going to be
Kyler Murray. You countered, I think Sam, you thought Sam
Donald is still the jury is still out on Donald,
especially when games matter. I think all of those are fair.
And what we thought was going to be the headline.
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And here in a game that you said had everything
both good and bad, seemingly last night that the thing
that stands out in the thing that I felt that
most people were talking about on social media was what
was going on with my Rarvin Harrison and some of
the things that were happening last night happened in their
game against the forty nine Ers last week. But again, Bears, Cowboys,
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seen on most TVs throughout the country, Chargers and Broncos
were also playing at that time, So the Niners Cardinals
game was only shown to a very select portion of
this country to see that this is actually happening the
second time, but now everybody got their taste of it.
And now I wonder because of the second half and
what Marvin Harrison really did in the fourth quarter with
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the touchdown catch that he had, he had another catch
on the sidelines for them, is he passed this? Was
he trying to do too much early in this game
because of what happened last week. I think the whole
thing is is unique. I know, Doug, that you've talked
about like your free throw shooting when you were playing
in college. I don't know if like this is apropos
to that of Marvin Harrison just being in his head.
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But the lasting image from last night that I think
everybody took was him kneeing in the end zone after
that touchdown and just being there a lot longer than
we anticipated.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, the ball is my friend. The ball is my friend.
And it also interesting is within one game, it did
feel in the first half like Cardinals fans were collectively
rolling their eyes at at Kyler Murray. Did it not? Yeah,
just at times I just felt like such a dud.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I felt that Harrison, especially on the interception that was
over the middle, that actually both interceptions were awful, and
they were both probably Marvin Harrison's fault definitely the one
where he bobbled. But I thought that I thought the
sense was not that Kyler Murray was great, and I
think that there is a conversation about Kyler Murray another time.
But I thought it was just more about I got
the sense it was about what is wrong with Marvin Harrison.
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It was the fourth overall pick, you know, a year
and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I also think it's people can't figure out. Here's
what Marvin Harrison benefits from is his dad caught everything
and he was a great player at Ohio State. And
so we're all stunned at at all of a sudden,
the drop off, right and the drops that's the reality too.
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We're just all stunned by it. I'm not stunned by
because you point out free throws, and I understand that
somebody can sit there and look at my career at
college free throw percents go, you're an awful free throws.
You're like, yeah, okay, when I was in high school,
I just hold the ball, let them follow me, go
to the free throw line, win the game. Like your
mind is that powerful? So yeah, I just I actually
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completely get it. And then you know, you think you're
over it, and I'm sure today he probably thinks he's
over it. But the fact is the next time the
ball is in the air in a game, he's going
to have all the same feelings come up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, what a what a story that is. And I
didn't play athletics nearly to the level that you did,
and definitely not to the level that Marvin Harrison Junior did.
But just in playing golf, sometimes you'll be playing around
and it's just you put the club in your hand
and for three holes you have no idea what to
do with it, and then by the back nine you're like, Okay,
this is what it is. And I felt that early
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on that Harrison was pressing because of what happened. Hector
Cardinals threw him a pass on like the first play
of the game, just a little dump off into the
flat just do I think, try to get his confidence
and to get him going into the game. And that
didn't work. But does now that he has the success
of this touchdown and these catches, does he move on
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from it? Because I've seen people do it, as I said,
I did it on the very low level of the
athletics that I play, where yeah, sometimes the ball's just
not rolling or the putter's not there. You change something
and all of a sudden something clicks. Did that click
for Marvin Harrison last night? But it's such a it's
such a bigger perspective as well, because I think we
all have had the thing that happened to Marvin Harrison
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Junior last night. His just happened to be seen by
millions and millions of people and it was the only
game in town. I just thought, I thought it was
so intriguing.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
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Of course, I was Sam on the Ones and twos
Likes top In as well. Here's Sam Donold talking about
the game winning drive. It was, uh, just all right,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'm gonna, you know, get ready for two minute warm
up and and just treat it like practice. I think
that's at the end of the day, like when you
get in those two minute situations. We run through those
situations so much in practice, so you know, at the
end of the day, that's that's all I can do
is just you know, me and me our guys go
out there and not not do too much and just
do whatever the play is called. And then if we
got to make an adjustment from there, we go from there.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Here's Mike McDonald, head coach of the Seahawks, on how
his team executed late in the game.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
For us, it was just like, all right, hey, look
we're on you know, we're identifying the two minute situation,
and Ad and the guys are talking to the guys
on the bench and they're ready to go to overtime.
They're talking about our overtime plan. It was just kind
of like, hey, what's what's next. Clint called some great plays.
We had a great protection that in that series. You're
fortunate with the kick being you know, not in the
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landing zone, and then you know, Sam Jacks were just
whites out and just a great job overall. Brian did
a great job of managing the managing the clock and
this is this is how we roll.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I can't tell you how impressed I was with Jackson
smith the jig but getting out of bounds without his
knee touching the ground, which stopped the clock, and they
had to review that. Yeah, go ahead, Jase too. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I was just wondering if you guys remembered that Mike
McDonald was the head coach at Seattle because I keep forgetting,
I keep forgetting that he's he's the head coach at Seattle.
I keep keep forgetting.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, you know why, you know why you keep forgetting?
Because they're not in love with Russell Wilson anymore. Nor
Pete Carroll. Uh, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're
on Fox Sports Radio. Guy, We're just we're just silly
with the effort of being silly. Okay, here's an honest question. Okay,
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do we we think that everybody on Arizona's team, Most importantly,
do we think that their kicker knew the rule? That's
that's the kicker, Chad Ryland. Because when Chad Ryland walked
over to the to the sideline, it didn't look like
he knew why the ball, why the why the why
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the penalty was called. Now again, I'm only reading Biden
language and his facial expression. I was watching in a
room full of people, so I'll admit if there was
something otherwise. But even when you listen to let's listen,
there's gin in his head. Coach Jonathan Gannon after the
game talking about the kick.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Keep it in play, keep it in play, you know,
that's that's kind of one of the things we talk
about late in the game there with the amount of
timeouts and time and what they needed the line. We're
trying to burn off some time there. Chad played his
ass off. The game doesn't come down to one play.
You know. We didn't do enough collectively for sixty minutes
and when the game it's good question, gambo.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So again, I think they I think he didn't know
the rule. I think he didn't know the rule, and
I'll tell you why, because what Jonathan Gannon told him
was keep it in play, which is what he did,
but he failed to go like, hey, by the way,
remember the landing zone is after the twenty yard line.
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He may have remembered some of it, but I just
I don't think there's any way in which he had
I don't think he knew the rule.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I think you're right, huh. I think you're right. I
think I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, I mean he looked confused as to why there
was a penalty, and then they had to explain it
to him, which is I'm gonna give credit to somebody
who I've worked with I consider a friend, a bit
of a mentor. Fran for Scilla is the former head
coach at Saint John's in Manhattan, New Mexico, and of
course he's a broadcast or with ESPN, and Fran talks
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about this all the time, that you got to have
somebody on your staff read the rule book every year
and all the new rules and all the new neonces
so ever, so somebody reads the rule book and knows
he's talking about obviously about basketball that he covers. The
same is true in football, Like this is one of
those Jonathan Gannon I'm sure, said, hey, keep it in play,
right thinking, and Jonathan probably knows the rules, but he's
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sitting there going like, well, keeping him I did keep
him playing, Like, no, dude, you got to keep it
past twenty yard line. That's no different than was it
the Bears kicker? Was it the Bears kicker who kicked
it in the end zone but didn't kick it out
of bounds?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? Against the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right again, I think that's another one who didn't realize, like, look, dude,
all you have to do, all you have to do
is kick the ball out of the end zone. They
cannot They can't beat us. They have six seconds. Can't
beat us if you kick it to where they can't
run it back. The only way you lose the game
is on a kick return for a time out.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Well, the Bears situation was trying to get past the
two minute warning, and so they kicked it deep. They
kicked it seven yards deep. But the Vikings are able
to return that and run the clock. Now, if you
would have kicked it out of the end zone, then
Ben Johnson and the Bears would have looked like the geniuses.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But he right, he didn't so he but what he
could have done was he could have kicked it out
of the sideline. Now you would have got the forty
yard line, but at least they still would have protected
the two minute warning. Yes, right, So that's where again
it's it's one of those that you feel like and
this is this is very much a coaching thing which
I've learned, is you very much have to sometimes one,
you have to teach everything and go through all these situations.
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In two. You got to make sure that you point
out the finer points, keep it in bounce. But remember
you got to get it past the twenty yard line,
you know, and then if you're the Bears, you got
to kick it out of bounce, out of bounce, okay,
not in the end zone, not for no return. You
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got to kick it out of about any If you
can't kick it out of bound, kick it out the sideline,
because we're trying to protect the two minute warning because
there was what was like two h two.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
At the time, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, right, And if you kick it out of bounds,
then after the first play there's an automatic two minute warning.
It's an automatic time out. You still have the opportunity
to get the ball back with far greater time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, in the five yards there doesn't matter in that
Vikings Bear scenario, but it really mattered last night because
it's a tie game and the Seahawks hit the ball
and Doug. The reason why I think that you're right
in that they didn't know the rule is because kicking
it short is worst case scenario. Kicking it out of
bounds is also a worst case scenario. If you kicked
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it deep. Let's say he just kicked it and it
happened to go one yard into the end zone, then
it's only brought out to the thirty five. But you
could you could say to yourself, that's five yards. That's
significant when the Seahawks need a field goal to possibly
win the game. The miss there is long. The miss
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isn't short. Yes, that's the last thing that you want
to do. The miss is long. And that's why I
don't think that they knew the rule because of the
miss being short last night.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, okay. And had he known the rule as
soon as it hit, you would have seen a negative
reaction from him, right, he would have been like, ah,
I blew it. He didn't think he blew it. He
didn't think he blew it. He did not think he
below Like, what's.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
The what is the bandwidth of a kickers week other
than just teeing off with the punter and kicking, Like,
don't you have so much time on your hands to
like memorize the rules if that's if that's your one
job to memorize exactly what you can and cannot do
on kickoffs, Like you're saying, four weeks in the guy
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who was oblivious to a rule, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He's in his third year. But yeah, but the rules
have changed again. He's I mean this set might sound weird.
I'm sure he's never done that before. My guess is
he's never done before, right that. You're constantly when you're
trying to keep it in bounds, you're just trying to
not kick it out of bounds. You know, you're really
your target points like the five yard line and then
you know, or maybe the nine yard line. You're trying
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to get in there, you know, get it way up
in the air and that on that one, he just
joinked it and it was short, and I'm sure there's
a lot of game slippage to it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think the phrase of Gannon saying in play is
the thing that could have thrown him off. And I'm
not giving him an excuse. Yeah, if you kick it
into the end zone? Is that is that in play? Coach?
Is that really in play? But just so it doesn't
go out of bounds makes makes it feel like it's
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in play. I'm sorry, No, I was just gonna say,
And you have to put some air under it because
you've got the everybody lined up not that far away.
So it's not like we could squibkick like we used to,
right where it would just go through the first line
of guys. There and make its way down the field.
You can't do that anymore. Like you at least have
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to kick it in the air over these guys, so
it has to have some air on it.
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Football Hall of Fame? That's like, my first question is
how familiar are you with the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I asked that because I think we do this thing
where we act like the Pro Football Hall of Fame
is something more prestigious than any other hall of fame,
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and the reality to it is that's not totally the case. Okay,
here are the quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Clarence Parker, Sid Luckman, Arnie Herbert, John Driscoll, Benny Friedman,
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Benny Friedman, Sammy Baugh, Sami Baugh, Troy Aikman, George Blanda,
Terry Bradshaw, Len Dawson, John Elway, Brett Farr, Dan Fouts,
Otto Graham, Bob Greasy, Sonny Jerkinsen, Jim Kelly, Bobby Lane,
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Bayden Manning, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Wayne Way, Warren Moon,
Joe Namath, Ken Stabler, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton,
y A. Tittle, Johnny Unitis, Norm Van Brocklin, Kurt Warner,
Bob Waderfield, and Steve Young. Okay, so again, I think
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Dan Fauts's was an incredible quarterback. They were nowhere near
a Super Bowl, right, And whatever we want to say
about quarterbacks, wins and losses are very much believed to
be a quarterback stat right. Warren Moon is a friend
he's a friend of the program. Warren Moon overcame a
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lot just to make it in the NFL. After making
it in the CFL, he became an elite passer. No
one I know would say that Warren Moon is one
of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? Would you? So
it doesn't take great of all times. I thought John
Elway was a Hall of Famer before they won Super
Bowls late in his career. Matter of fact, when John
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Elway won his first Super Bowl, he had the lowest
quarterback rating of any quarterback to ever win the game.
Jim Kelly unbelievable four straight Super Bowls, did not win
one of them. I don't know if that matters to you.
Joe Namath is probably the most average quarterback of any
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in the Hall of Fame. Nothing about his numbers, nothing
about his dominance. Was never seen as the best player
in the league. But he had won Super Bowl that
he called the shot and they beat the Baltimore Colts
and the New York Jets won the Super Bowl, and
for that he was made into a legend. I could
go through all of these, and some of them I've researched.
Some of them I have not Bob Greasy. I want
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to say that Bob Greasey wasn't the quarterback of the
undefeated Dolphins because didn't he get hurt. I'm almost else
if he got hurt. I bring it up because last
night there was a debate and I'd actually credit Amazon
for this. Amazon's uh pre halftime post not particularly good,
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and not because they don't have some interesting personalities that
may Ryan Fitzpatrick may become a star in this thing.
What's uh, what's the guy's name? I really like him.
He went to LSU. He said he was a ram
at first. He was with the with the Browns for
other than the Ram. Andrew Whitworth like there, there's there's
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something there with those guys. But generally it's uh, kind
of what Richard Sherman did a little bit, which is
picking personal battles and trying to win them. Now that
I'm on TV and you're not, and it's a lot
of young guys or inexperienced guys in the medium of
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television or in this case, streaming television trying to figure out,
all right, how do I do this thing? How do
I master the craft? When you don't have a veteran
person to kind of master the help you master the craft.
Jason knows that Tony Gonzalez is a really good friend
of mine. We're AU teammates. We've been friends ever since
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Christa Thompson, by the way, we were teammates at ESPN.
She's a good friend. We have this very very funny
text chain because a couple of years ago she texted
another Doug and was was giving him a bunch of
grief over not having an ad for their show and
didn't realize she was texting me, and I was just
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I was I'm just a friend, like, hey, whatever you need,
I'll help you out with some dude named Doug. Yes,
here's Tony Gonzalez and Chrisa Thompson talking about Russell Wilson
last night. Do you think we've seen the last of
Russell Wilson?
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Honestly, I hope we have. And I say that because
I just looking at him and his career, his legacy,
Like he talked about if ever there was somebody who
played himself out of a Hall.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Of Fame, it's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
And I say that because look at what he's what's
happened ever since he left Seattle when he was in Seattle,
he was the man. He was making these good plays.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
He won a super went to two of them.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
But as soon as he left there, he went to
Dinverse on that big old deal. They paid him thirty
nine million dollars to leave because the Pittsburgh plays there.
One year, he's out of there, and now he goes
here and has three games.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I just don't know if it's gonna get any better.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
And I don't want to see him on a sideline
holding a clipboard.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Okay, So here's here's the thing. And I I'm a
lot of things. Jason thinks I'm offenseit or I am not. Okay.
There are certain things in which I think are nuanced
and it's hard to take a stance on. And I
don't want to sound like an idiot when I think
there's more to it. Okay, there are certain things in
which I will absolutely take one side or the other.
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I didn't think Kurt. And Kurt Warner is a friend
of mine. Kurt Warner is like all time greatest dude
ever type friend. Anytime I'm in Phoenix, I text Kurt
Warner because he has a gym in his house, like
a basketball gym in his house. And they play four
on four. The key is to get on Kurt's team
because he gets every call. But the point is, I
didn't think Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer just
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from this perspective. How can you be a Hall of
Famer where there's like five years where you couldn't even
start in the NFL, they couldn't play it, and it
was in the middle of your career, right like you
went from nothing to greatest show on turf, to fell
out a favor, to had the hand injury and they
wanted to play Eli Manning, to back up in Arizona,
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to start in Arizona, to Super Bowl again too. Yeah.
Now then all of a sudden he was a couple
of years later he was out right. So if you
say we haven't had a Hall of Famer who's had
years where he was removed as a starter, I give
you Kurt Warner. And Kurt's frankly, were in the middle
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of his career, not just the end of his career,
right whereas Russell had I don't know, a decade where
his team was always good, always in the playoffs, went
to two Super Bowls, one to one, and I just
think that one you have a case of Tony and
trying to do the hot takey thing. Well, I hope
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he never plays again. I think what he said is
he's hurting his legacy by continuing to play when he
clearly isn't as good as he used to be, and
he needs a specific sort of surrounding cast and he
doesn't have that. He doesn't have the complete buy in
of an organization, and for that to protect his legacy,
it's better if he doesn't play anymore. I think that's
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what Tony meant. But then there's this other part to
Russell Wilson, which is very, very unique. Here's his former teammate,
he was the starting quarterback when they won one and
lost one Super Bowl. Here's Richard Sherman on the same broadcast.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
I think you got to judge his career off when
the legion of boom was there, he had a legendary
defense and all time defense, and how much success he had,
and then without that legendary defense to success he had.
Without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven, seven
and eight on in three to start with the Giants
Like that's he was a winning football player in Seattle,
and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this
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good stuff, all these accolades, and now you get to
go on your own and you get to prove, hey,
I'm this great quarterback, I'm this guy that's gonna be dominant.
And it just hasn't worked out that way.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I thought. I thought Richard Sherman presented himself despite the
fact his information was highly biased and tinged in whatever
he and everyone knows they don't like each other. I
thought he presented it in a way which was super
dignified in matter of fact. But there has never will
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never be a quarterback that has won a Super Bowl
lost another one whose former teammate defensive star won't say,
of course he's a Hall of Famer, he's the greatest.
It's like the most unique thing where all Richard Sherman
and all those defensive guys. You guys are and I
(27:06):
agree you were a great defense for a period of time.
Please stop with where the eighty five Bears. Tell me
when the eighty five Bears dominance took place and you
could sit there and go like we didn't have much offense, Like, dude, stop, Okay,
they never lost fewer than three games. They were down,
(27:30):
they were tremendous defensively, but they weren't together long enough,
and they were the most arrogant group you've ever known.
And they don't like their own quarterback. It's crazy, and
it feels like Richard Sherman and the rest of the
Legion of Boom they would they it's like their personal
goal to shoot down anything Russell Wilson because they feel
(27:52):
like it diminishes the view of their success. I think,
I don't think, I'm I know Russell Wilson at the
end of the day will be a Hall of Famer.
He's been to two Super Bowls. He was a really
good quarterback for a long time. While his while some
(28:13):
of the passing numbers aren't obscene, he got a year
of forty touchdowns and he had a year where he
had years where single digit interceptions, where he did not
lose the game, and it's it's called playing complimentary football.
Eli Manning's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. And
(28:34):
if you're gonna put Philip Rivers in the Hall of Fame,
you damn sure better put Russell Wilson in the Hall
of Fame. And he could sit there and say, well,
the Legion of Boom like, dude, the legion of boom
was that was dead several years ago, right, several years ago,
and yet in Seattle they still won ten eleven, twelve
games up until his last season where he when he
(28:57):
got hurt and they end up six to eight after
he started out a house of fire. That's the reality
to it. Right on his bad year when he hurt
his thumb in his last year in Seattle, when they
were six to eight, twenty five touchdown, six interceptions. Richard Sherman,
you are so insecure about how you're viewed and how
your defensive viewed and the fact that you don't like
(29:17):
Russell Wilson and for whatever, and maybe it's his personality,
it seems to irritate a lot of people. But God's
that's just an awful SoundBite. You are an awful teammate,
There's no question about it. Buyer, you are a Seattle
Seahawks fan, tried and true go back because of Dave Craig.
(29:38):
Help me with this debate.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's I agree with a lot of what you said,
and how we look at Russell Wilson. The bar four
quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame seems to be a
lot lower even though you were able to list off
all of the names in a somewhat succinct fashion. There's
not like four hundred quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame
in the NFL. But the Kurt Warner point is well made.
(30:03):
The Eli Manning discussion is one, and I think that
Russell Wilson's career stacks up very well against Eli Mannings.
But the phases of Russell Wilson's career, to me, never
screamed hall of Fame. And how we're breaking this down,
I think is unfair in a way to say that
he's played himself out of it. I don't think that
(30:25):
you could do that, But I do think that he
had an advantage with a defense early on. Then when
it was his show, he put up very good numbers
and in one year was think accounted for all but
one of the Seahawks' touchdowns or two of their touchdowns
that year. Statistically, his numbers are fine. But I never
(30:46):
thought that he was the Hall of Fame quarterback, or
that he was destined to be a Hall of Famer,
And so I find it interesting that this conversation is
now popping up because of his bad play. He ever
really considered it when he was playing. I thought that
he was trending, like if you would have went to
Denver and won a Super Bowl and played well there, absolutely,
(31:09):
but I'm just thinking about what he did basically in
Seattle as his career, and it was a great career.
I just don't think it's Hall of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's really interesting. I don't think so either. Okay, I
want to make sure this is really clear. It's like
Jalen Hurts. I don't think he's really a Hall of Famer.
I don't think he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time. But the reason I read that list was
there's some other guys You're like, yeah, I don't know,
I don't know. And the way in which the league
(31:41):
is trending, it's become quarterback or sort of nothing else, right,
And again, I just think we're going to have this
wave of guys that get in, and you know you're
gonna any argument you could make, which is a valid one.
It's like, Okay, well, if you're gonna keep Russell Wilson,
you're gonna keep Eli out. There's no way you keep
Eli out. And if you keep those guys, and if
(32:03):
you're gonna put Dan Fouts in, like, why can't you
put Philip Rivers in? And if you're gonna put Philip
Rivers in, how come you can't put a guy who
won playoff games in?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Pro football? Hall of Fame voters have been the toughest
if you compare them with baseball on being able to
draw the line they actually did. Last year they had
a smaller class. For the previous ten years or maybe
fifteen years, they just had max classes. Let's put everybody in.
Let's get all of these guys in because there's gonna
be more guys coming down the line. And last year
(32:33):
they're like, oh, hold on, wait a sec, We're only
gonna put four guys in this time. That was a
break from the norm. I wonder if that change will
hurt these guys because of how easy it seemed to
get into the Hall of Fame with some of these
like the current corner one is magnificent because for a
three year span, there was no one better there truly wasn't.
(32:55):
But you look at that career. Do you look at
that stretch? Yeah? Is that really Hall of Fame worthy?
Is that what we're looking at?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And it's just the idea of this this was my argument,
and again I was prepared for it when we did it. Okay.
So Kurt Warner broke into the league at twenty eight
years old, right. His first year, that was when they
went to and won a Super Bowl forty one touchdowns
and at the time forty one touchdowns was he led
(33:22):
the league? Okay. Then the next year he missed some
of the year, but he still ended up eight wins
three interceptions, right, but he had a ton of interceptions.
The following year was when they were fourteen and two.
He had thirty six touchdowns, but he had twenty two interceptions.
Then he was bad. Now he got hurt, right, but
(33:44):
oh and six barely played in two thousand and three,
only played in two games. Then he went to the
Giants and he was essentially the placeholder for Eli Manning
if people remember. And with the Giants he started nine games.
A Hall of Famer through nine games at six touchdowns
(34:06):
and four interceptions. Then he goes to Arizona, Okay, and
he's supposed to be the backup, and I think Liner
got hurt that first year, right, And he comes in
and they're five and four eleven touchdown excuse me, two
and eight two and eight with eleven touchdowns, nine interceptions.
(34:27):
Then he's the backup to liner and he barely plays.
He actually started five games when he won in four record.
It wasn't until he was thirty seven and thirty eight.
At thirty seven years old, that's when they went to
the Super Bowl. And he had another very good year
thirty touchdowns, fourteen interceptions, forty five hundred yards. His last
year was good. They won ten games. He got knocked
(34:48):
out in the playoffs. I think that was the Saints.
Remember how hard they hit him, And that was when
Brenda wore. The point is that, like if you look
at Kurt Warner, you're like, wow, that's really not a
Hall of Fame career, because if you were a Hall
of Famer in Saint Louis, you would be decent at
any other time that they would throw you into a game,
and that wasn't the case. It's really like five good
(35:11):
years and six below average to some bad years. A
lot of it is is injury, but again, like that's
not the only story.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
One more point for Wilson. They did not invest in
their offensive line during his prime years because they'd said, well,
he's mobile, he can move around truly. That was part
of why I took a bunch of sacks as well.
But I just there was never a point where I
thought it was, oh, yeah, this guy's headed to the Hall.
Could have been yeah, could have been Like, honestly, if
things would have worked out better in Denver, I think
(35:45):
that would have solidified the case. But at never no
point do I think that he is withdrawn from the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
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Speaker 1 (36:00):
How good is this weekend in college football? Jason Sewett?
Can you ask that question more time?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
How good is this this weekend in college football?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You got to ask you a little bit more energy,
like you're actually asking a question.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Hey, Doug, Yeah, how good is this weekend in college football?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I'll tell you how good it is. Kirk Kurbstreet came
up with some bizarre take that it makes no sense
to have all these games on one weekend, like it
was planned out that that are week oh on these
games are actually good? Now I get Alabama Georgia. Maybe
that's a little bit early in the year for you, right,
this is her and I love Herbie, but take a
listen to this take.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
It's another example of why we need eventually a commissioner's office,
Like the NFL has a commissioner's office.
Speaker 11 (36:47):
Right, and there are a lot of different layers to
what that office could do. Obviously, in this nil and
portal era and the realignment era, I think the biggest
thing that I think sometimes is a guy who eats breeze.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
College football. There are some weeks in college football where
it's just there might be one good game, and there
are other weeks like this week. You could argue this
is the greatest weekend of the entire year. Starting Friday
night there's good.
Speaker 12 (37:13):
Games, and then from game day and then after game
day noon eastern all the way. If you're crazy like me,
you'll watch BYU in Colorado at ten fifteen they start,
and that'll go to whatever one in the morning, and
you're thinking, man, why wouldn't we have somebody instead of
the Big ten in their own silo, the SEC and
(37:35):
their silo, the Big twelve and the ACC. Wouldn't it
be great if we had a commissioner's office to just
kind of like, let's spread some of these games out.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, I don't know how to tell Herbie this, but
that is never going to happen, can't happen, won't happen,
and is among the most bizarre. Golly, I hate to
say this because Herbie awesome. It's like a super uneducated take.
It's a it's a very much a fan take. I mean,
(38:07):
it's like Florida State Virginia. I'm super into the game tonight,
but had Florida State no one knew they were gonna
beat Alabama or nobody don know what to expect from
Florida State. Two years ago they unefeated. Last year they
win two games. Now they're undefeated. We don't know how
good they are, so I mean, who would have thought
that's a good game, right? I don't know if TCU
(38:28):
is any good there. They beat North Carolina, but everybody's
beating North Carolina. They beat SMU, but is SMU really
good or was last year just a creation of a
schedule and a lot of money. Arizona State won the
Big Twelve last year, but they've already lost to Mississippi State, Like,
how are you gonna know that that's gonna be a
that's not a traditional, you know, powerhouse game. Usc and
(38:50):
Illinois were acting like that's a big game. But why
because because Illinois ranked? Okay, Illinois wins Western Illino and
Western Michigan. They played one good team. Indiana beat them
sixty three to ten, Like, why are we considering that
a some game that we want to move and put
around our schedule. Don't get me wrong, there are good
(39:13):
games out there. LSU Ole miss is big time. Problem
is in the SEC kind of every week we have
some games Auburn, A and m good game Indiana, Iowa.
Did anybody think that would be a big game? This
rule in the year Tennessee, Mississippi State, I don't know.
(39:34):
Penn State, Purdue, we I mean Penn State to Oregon,
we knew, but you know again it's like Penn State, like, well,
they got to schedule some games, like okay, Well, there's
a logic and reason to why they play who they play.
Oregon has to come middle of the season. I think
they didn't want the West Coast teams coming in November
when they have to deal with with snow. They wanted
to keep it to where they play their regional teams.
(39:58):
But he just there's too many moving hearts to have
one guy or one group coordinate one hundred and thirty
Division one teams. Just doesn't work that way. It's hard
enough to get your own schedule, let alone your league schedule,
let alone a national schedule.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
Yes, Sammy Doug, your point about, you know, teams getting good,
becoming ranked, and then how the rankings shift every week,
that's a great point. We don't know, you know, it's
five weeks from now, we might have another crazy weekend
where a team you know, works, is undefeated, works its
way from unranked to ranked, and then we got you know,
all this cast. I kind of look at weekends like
(40:33):
this as like the first two days of the NCAA tournament,
like there's just a lot going on and we can't
spread them out. We have to have them on Saturday.
So we're gonna play these games. It's going to be
a smortas Board of Football to pay attention to. Unfortunately,
they're not all standalone games. We have to have them
all going on the same day and I'll probably be
watching from nine am until two am, and that's life
and I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Uh next week, it's like we're making like Colorado by
US a big game, West Virginia by US. Next week.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yes today, Well, yeah, this is also does kirkurb Street
think that they're like sixty nine hours in a day?
I mean, like, how would how would you have a
schedule that would work out for the football fan that
kirkerb Street wants to watch all these games? Right? Like
that's there's just it's not possible. In fact, it's a
(41:25):
little there's also a little tone deafness to it in
a way because the two criticisms that we've had with
scheduling games have come because of big noon kickoff. People
are mad that Texas Ohio State was a big noon
kickoff game and not under the lights. That's at noon
Eastern time. So if you were to put a game
(41:46):
at noon Eastern, everybody'd be mad because they felt that
game should be at night. And then last week, well,
Jason and I were camping out during the overnight at
O'Hare Airport on their comfortable chairs. It was two o'clock
in the morning in USC and Michigan State. We're still
playing football, which people were complaining that the fans in
East Lanting were up at three am. I even said
(42:06):
it to Jason, I go, it's three am at Michigan
State right now. And they're having to stay up and
watch this game. So there's not a lot of wiggle
room with this. And now do you want all of
these top games to be moved, say like a weekend
before Ohio State plays Michigan, where or Alabama or Georgia
would play a cupcake before their rivalry, specifically Alabama back
(42:29):
in the day. You're gonna move a tough game there.
It's just to me, it's fantasy.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Talk, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's but like you're
talking about Kirk herb Street, right, he is. There's no
man more synonymous with college football over the past twenty
years than Kirk kurb Street. And it's a lot like
you have a government official who's totally normal that all
of a sudden they're like spitting out conspiracy theories. You're like, dude,
(42:56):
what happened to you? Have you been on the internet
too long? Right? Wait? You are super normal and now
you believe nothing and you've ever been taught no matter
how provable. It is, like, this is Kirk kerb Street,
who knows how on some level TV schedules how it
all works. You know that you can't get all the
games in at once, and how these big time coaches
(43:19):
are like, look, we need to space some games out
and what works for TV, what doesn't work for TV.
And now you're coming on and you literally look like
an internet troll, be like, hey, if there's a commissioner,
they'll spread the games out. You know, you do know
it's next week, right, Kirk.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Red River? Rov is it? No, It's not like it's
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
So no, No. Next week is Florida State Miami, which
is a really big game. If Florida State beats Virginia.
If they don't, then it's let's make fun of Florida
State or may make fun of Alabama. We have no
idea if that's going to be a big game or
not going to be big game. Next week. Van de
Bama is next week. That looks like a gigantic game.
(44:00):
But what happens with Bama this week? And right now?
Vandy's the surprise of the league. Boise State Notre Dame
is next week. Before the year, you would have thought, well,
that's a hell of a game, two teams from the
college football playoff matching back up. But right now do
you do you think that way?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Texas, Florida Florida stinks. That would have been probably the
biggest game heading into the year. Wisconsin Michigan not a
big game after how Wisconsin played against Alabama. Right then
you get to the next week. That's exactly what you're
talking about. It's that's Red River rivalry. That's Bama, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee,
(44:40):
South Carolina, who people thought was good against LSU, Ohio State, Illinois, Like,
there's no we cand where we don't have good Like,
what is he even talking about? It's literally like, yeah,
are we sure? Have you seen some of these conspiracy
theories that people think, like all these stars have body doubles,
you know, or the president, Like that's not really the president.
First it was by and now there's Trump. Like these
(45:01):
are really body dells. Like that movie Dave where Something's happened.
I almost think there's a body devil for Kirkurbstreet.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It just yeah, when we go to our restaurant, there's
five things in the menu that I'd love. I'd love
to order all of them at one point. Guess what
you can't you gotta pick one. Maybe if you got
a multiple TV setup, you got to pick two. The
other thing with college football that I think is unique
to college football is everybody has their school, so I
(45:31):
don't have a multi TV setup at home. But tomorrow
Ohio State plays Washington at three point thirty Eastern time,
and that's gonna be the game that I'm going to
watch the most of, if not all of. So that
also means that I miss a majority of LSU and
Ole Miss. Now, maybe Ohio State Washington is on the
list of great games tomorrow, which I think it should be,
(45:53):
but it's also the fact of everybody's got a favorite school. Doug,
you'd want to see how Oklahoma State would play if
without Gundhy being there, So you're gonna watch that game.
Sam's gonna watch Iowa against Indiana, which again is one
of the better games that we've got. He's gonna miss
probably Ohio State Washington and have a tougher time flipping
back and forth because it's on Peacock. But there's like,
(46:16):
there's also that portion of it, like kirkirb Street is
in the complete minority of college football fans and how
they consume college football.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
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(46:48):
I'm gonna I'm going to quote you, but steal your
line and maybe I'll ask Dan Buyer a question. Dan
is the number three quarterback, generally made a vail to
the media.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I don't see it a lot. Don't see it a lot.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I've never been a beat reporter. I've never I've done
NFL games. I've talked to NFL people. I don't know
the protocol. I don't know the protocol. But it does
seem odd that the Browns would have open media and hey,
there's Shador. Sanders ask him a question that they asked
Shador if he felt like he was ready to play
(47:26):
after sitting for a couple of weeks. Here's what here's
his answer.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
He had a break over.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
He says, you don't learn anything I've never said on
the bench and said.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I learned a lot today.
Speaker 10 (47:36):
You agree with him on man.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
What are you talking?
Speaker 14 (47:38):
He said that respect being respect him, So you know
that's not that's not nothing. You know I'm a place
to answer. You know, there's nothing I can't answer, not answer,
but I know for sure I'm not. Uh, I know
if you if you see the quarterback player in the
league right now, I know, I know I'm capable of
doing better than that.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
So should yours? Sanders just pulled at Lebron James. Only
Lebron was talking about his son, Chador was talking about himself.
Let's dial back a couple of years ago where Lebron James,
on I felt like a random Sunday tweeted out that
that Bronni was better than half the dudes in the league.
Was that? Was that the Was that the the exact quote,
Dan Bayer? Was it half the guys? Or was it
(48:21):
some of these guys?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I'm taking a look here. Uh it's uh, if you
see he said, if you see the quarterback playing the
league right now, I know I'm capable of better of
Oh of Bronni. Oh, I'm sorry, I was listening to
a Kevin Stefanski cut because he responded to Shador Sanders,
I don't know the Bronni cut.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Okay, this is Bronni's tweet, This is Lebron's tweet. Man
Bronni definitely better than some of these cats I've been
watching on League Past today. Crap, lightweight, hilarious, four emojis
of laughing faces.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Right, So he didn't say half. He said he's he's
better than some of these guys. And that was when
Bronni was in college at US coming off the bench
for one of the worst teams in the Pac twelve
that year, and of course he was coming back from
some sort of cardiac arrest. Do we have the Stefanski sound?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Uh no, the audio isn't good. I was listening to
it again.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I understand there are people and and the people that
are like the Shador Sanders, flag Waivers everybody I most
of those people have it's died down because really, Dion
did them no good when he admitted that he didn't
want him to play for the Ravens. And who is
the other team that had the quarterback that he said
he didn't want to play for and they called him
I don't know, but the Ravens were the big one, right,
(49:36):
You're like, wait, what, you don't want him to play?
You don't want to be on the Ravens Like kind
of seems like a pretty good place to learn, then
you hear Shador's cut, then you watch Chador how he
handles himself. I understand that Shadoor Sanders may represent something
to you that he doesn't to me. I think he
was just a really good college player and we got
(49:59):
to figure out and the Browns or whoever has him
has to figure out if he can be an NFL
starting quarterback or if he's an NFL backup. I don't
think he's a career backup because he doesn't feel like
he wants to be a backup. Because if you're invested
in the backup role, then the only possible answer, and
the first thing is you shouldn't be interviewed. The second
(50:19):
thing is the only possible answer should be Hey, if
I sit there for I'm ready to play. It doesn't matter.
My job is to get Joe Flacco ready, to make
sure he has every answer to every question that he's
going to see. And my job, if I'm the scout
team quarterback, is to get that defense ready. That's my
job on the week. Do I watch? Yeah? I mean
I have so much to learn, right, And it wasn't
(50:42):
a I don't feel like it was an unfair question
to use a quote and I don't know who he
was quoting that said I didn't learn anything when I
was sitting on the bench. That's when Schendor can correct him.
He's like, well, I've been send on the bench and
I've learned a ton. But much like we criticized Russell
Wilson for not being a human being, I would say
the same thing for for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yea by I was just gonna say. Kevin Stefanski did
say when he asked about it, said they prepare all
of their players to get ready to play, and it's
something that they take pride in, something that they do
every minute is to get every player ready to play.
So all of their players are ready to play.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
And I'm not going to sit here and tell you
it's wrong for Chadoor to have confidence, nor it's wrong
that Sure thinks he can play. Every guy who plays
quarterback in the league believes if you give me what
some other guy has, right, you give me what they
got in Minnesota with that coach, that running game. When
(51:39):
when Aaron Jones is healthy, that those wide receivers like
I'd be great. So what Shador Sanders is saying is
is not inaccurate to him and how he feels. But
he just lacks any sort of ability to read the room.
That's it. That's what. That's what, that's what it lacks
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Bring the boom X Boom. I thought last night's game
had a little bit of everything, A little bit of everything.
It had some pregame discs over a player who wasn't playing.
But I think many of us, myself included, believe believe
(01:07):
that up until recently, Russell Wilson was a Hall of
Famer and now some are saying he is not. That
one's that's interesting for me. But so you had some
really good pre game chatter, you had some uniform chatter.
I personally liked the Cardinals. I like the Cardinals jerseys
(01:29):
and helmets. Part of it is I think they're home
Homets are normally just terrible, right, just too much white
on them, and it feels like they need a Striperson.
It feels like they need someone else. Last night they
did not because the Cardinal logo was different but also
much bigger, and it's with the new helmets so it
looks a little cooler. But what again, you have the
(01:50):
weird uniform stuff where they're wearing alternative, alternative jerseys and
the Seahawks are not. It's like, wait, did the Seahawks
not get the memo is only when you're in a
home there's a bunch you get to. Then you had
you know, Sam Donald, who is a former number three
overall pick. He's been well traveled, how well he would
he perform? Then of course you have Kyler Murray, who
(02:11):
it felt like the fans were done with in the
first half and then all of a sudden they were
hopped on board. With the Lake comeback. You had a
very average to below average in terms of the actual
performance of the game, but it led to an unbelievable comeback.
Plus you have Marvin Harrison Junior who continues to struggle
just catching the football but did have a big catch
(02:32):
as part of the comeback. There's a lot and then
at the end of the game you have a comeback
at tie game, should you have gone for two if
you're Arizona. If you don't go for two, well then
you know you got to figure out kickoff a new
kickoff rule which so many people still don't know. We
still don't know if the kicker knew you had to
have it in the air, pass the twenty yard line.
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Then Seattle gets the ball at the forty Jackson Smith
and Jigbu catches a ball and looks like for some
reason they were winding the clock, and then upon further review,
they didn't wind the clock. Then it felt like Seattle,
oh my gosh, are they going to throw the football
where they could turn it over. No, They're going to
hand it off and play for a sixty yard field goal,
and ends up all working out for There was a
(03:14):
lot in that game, a lot. I'll give you my
thoughts on one second Buyer. You had some thoughts I
know on Marvin Harrison Junior. Didn't you?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Well, I just think it's such an interesting storyline for Doug.
We were sitting here twenty four hours ago. I said,
if the Cardinals lose, the storyline is going to be
Kyler Murray. You countered, I think Sam, you thought Sam
Donald is still the jury is still out on Donald,
especially when games matter. I think all of those are fair.
And what we thought was going to be the headline.
(03:47):
And here in a game that you said had everything
both good and bad, seemingly last night that the thing
that stands out in the thing that I felt that
most people were talking about on social media was what
was going on with my Rarvin Harrison and some of
the things that were happening last night happened in their
game against the forty nine Ers last week. But again, Bears, Cowboys,
(04:08):
seen on most TVs throughout the country, Chargers and Broncos
were also playing at that time, So the Niners Cardinals
game was only shown to a very select portion of
this country to see that this is actually happening the
second time, but now everybody got their taste of it.
And now I wonder because of the second half and
what Marvin Harrison really did in the fourth quarter with
(04:30):
the touchdown catch that he had, he had another catch
on the sidelines for them, is he passed this? Was
he trying to do too much early in this game
because of what happened last week. I think the whole
thing is is unique. I know, Doug, that you've talked
about like your free throw shooting when you were playing
in college. I don't know if like this is apropos
to that of Marvin Harrison just being in his head.
(04:52):
But the lasting image from last night that I think
everybody took was him kneeing in the end zone after
that touchdown and just being there a lot longer than
we anticipated.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, the ball is my friend. The ball is my friend.
And it also interesting is within one game, it did
feel in the first half like Cardinals fans were collectively
rolling their eyes at at Kyler Murray. Did it not? Yeah,
just at times I just felt like such a dud.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I felt that Harrison, especially on the interception that was
over the middle, that actually both interceptions were awful, and
they were both probably Marvin Harrison's fault definitely the one
where he bobbled. But I thought that I thought the
sense was not that Kyler Murray was great, and I
think that there is a conversation about Kyler Murray another time.
But I thought it was just more about I got
the sense it was about what is wrong with Marvin Harrison.
(05:45):
It was the fourth overall pick, you know, a year
and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, I also think it's people can't figure out. Here's
what Marvin Harrison benefits from is his dad caught everything
and he was a great player at Ohio State. And
so we're all stunned at at all of a sudden,
the drop off, right and the drops that's the reality too.
(06:10):
We're just all stunned by it. I'm not stunned by
because you point out free throws, and I understand that
somebody can sit there and look at my career at
college free throw percents go, you're an awful free throws.
You're like, yeah, okay, when I was in high school,
I just hold the ball, let them follow me, go
to the free throw line, win the game. Like your
mind is that powerful? So yeah, I just I actually
(06:33):
completely get it. And then you know, you think you're
over it, and I'm sure today he probably thinks he's
over it. But the fact is the next time the
ball is in the air in a game, he's going
to have all the same feelings come up.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, what a what a story that is. And I
didn't play athletics nearly to the level that you did,
and definitely not to the level that Marvin Harrison Junior did.
But just in playing golf, sometimes you'll be playing around
and it's just you put the club in your hand
and for three holes you have no idea what to
do with it, and then by the back nine you're like, Okay,
this is what it is. And I felt that early
(07:05):
on that Harrison was pressing because of what happened. Hector
Cardinals threw him a pass on like the first play
of the game, just a little dump off into the
flat just do I think, try to get his confidence
and to get him going into the game. And that
didn't work. But does now that he has the success
of this touchdown and these catches, does he move on
(07:26):
from it? Because I've seen people do it, as I said,
I did it on the very low level of the
athletics that I play, where yeah, sometimes the ball's just
not rolling or the putter's not there. You change something
and all of a sudden something clicks. Did that click
for Marvin Harrison last night? But it's such a it's
such a bigger perspective as well, because I think we
all have had the thing that happened to Marvin Harrison
(07:48):
Junior last night. His just happened to be seen by
millions and millions of people and it was the only
game in town. I just thought, I thought it was
so intriguing.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox or trans voice of
Dan Byer. You here from him moretation. Stewart's our producer.
Of course, I was Sam on the Ones and twos
Likes top In as well. Here's Sam Donold talking about
the game winning drive. It was, uh, just all right,
here we go.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'm gonna, you know, get ready for two minute warm
up and and just treat it like practice. I think
that's at the end of the day, like when you
get in those two minute situations. We run through those
situations so much in practice, so you know, at the
end of the day, that's that's all I can do
is just you know, me and me our guys go
out there and not not do too much and just
do whatever the play is called. And then if we
got to make an adjustment from there, we go from there.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Here's Mike McDonald, head coach of the Seahawks, on how
his team executed late in the game.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
For us, it was just like, all right, hey, look
we're on you know, we're identifying the two minute situation,
and Ad and the guys are talking to the guys
on the bench and they're ready to go to overtime.
They're talking about our overtime plan. It was just kind
of like, hey, what's what's next. Clint called some great plays.
We had a great protection that in that series. You're
fortunate with the kick being you know, not in the
(08:58):
landing zone, and then you know, Sam Jacks were just
whites out and just a great job overall. Brian did
a great job of managing the managing the clock and
this is this is how we roll.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I can't tell you how impressed I was with Jackson
smith the jig but getting out of bounds without his
knee touching the ground, which stopped the clock, and they
had to review that. Yeah, go ahead, Jase too. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
I was just wondering if you guys remembered that Mike
McDonald was the head coach at Seattle because I keep forgetting,
I keep forgetting that he's he's the head coach at Seattle.
I keep keep forgetting.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, you know why, you know why you keep forgetting?
Because they're not in love with Russell Wilson anymore. Nor
Pete Carroll. Uh, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're
on Fox Sports Radio. Guy, We're just we're just silly
with the effort of being silly. Okay, here's an honest question. Okay,
(09:59):
do we we think that everybody on Arizona's team, Most importantly,
do we think that their kicker knew the rule? That's
that's the kicker, Chad Ryland. Because when Chad Ryland walked
over to the to the sideline, it didn't look like
he knew why the ball, why the why the why
(10:22):
the penalty was called. Now again, I'm only reading Biden
language and his facial expression. I was watching in a
room full of people, so I'll admit if there was
something otherwise. But even when you listen to let's listen,
there's gin in his head. Coach Jonathan Gannon after the
game talking about the kick.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
Keep it in play, keep it in play, you know,
that's that's kind of one of the things we talk
about late in the game there with the amount of
timeouts and time and what they needed the line. We're
trying to burn off some time there. Chad played his
ass off. The game doesn't come down to one play.
You know. We didn't do enough collectively for sixty minutes
and when the game it's good question, gambo.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So again, I think they I think he didn't know
the rule. I think he didn't know the rule, and
I'll tell you why, because what Jonathan Gannon told him
was keep it in play, which is what he did,
but he failed to go like, hey, by the way,
remember the landing zone is after the twenty yard line.
(11:24):
He may have remembered some of it, but I just
I don't think there's any way in which he had
I don't think he knew the rule.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I think you're right, huh. I think you're right. I
think I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, I mean he looked confused as to why there
was a penalty, and then they had to explain it
to him, which is I'm gonna give credit to somebody
who I've worked with I consider a friend, a bit
of a mentor. Fran for Scilla is the former head
coach at Saint John's in Manhattan, New Mexico, and of
course he's a broadcast or with ESPN, and Fran talks
(12:02):
about this all the time, that you got to have
somebody on your staff read the rule book every year
and all the new rules and all the new neonces
so ever, so somebody reads the rule book and knows
he's talking about obviously about basketball that he covers. The
same is true in football, Like this is one of
those Jonathan Gannon I'm sure, said, hey, keep it in play,
right thinking, and Jonathan probably knows the rules, but he's
(12:23):
sitting there going like, well, keeping him I did keep
him playing, Like, no, dude, you got to keep it
past twenty yard line. That's no different than was it
the Bears kicker? Was it the Bears kicker who kicked
it in the end zone but didn't kick it out
of bounds?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah? Against the Vikings.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right again, I think that's another one who didn't realize, like, look, dude,
all you have to do, all you have to do
is kick the ball out of the end zone. They
cannot They can't beat us. They have six seconds. Can't
beat us if you kick it to where they can't
run it back. The only way you lose the game
is on a kick return for a time out.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Well, the Bears situation was trying to get past the
two minute warning, and so they kicked it deep. They
kicked it seven yards deep. But the Vikings are able
to return that and run the clock. Now, if you
would have kicked it out of the end zone, then
Ben Johnson and the Bears would have looked like the geniuses.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
But he right, he didn't so he but what he
could have done was he could have kicked it out
of the sideline. Now you would have got the forty
yard line, but at least they still would have protected
the two minute warning. Yes, right, So that's where again
it's it's one of those that you feel like and
this is this is very much a coaching thing which
I've learned, is you very much have to sometimes one,
you have to teach everything and go through all these situations.
(13:38):
In two. You got to make sure that you point
out the finer points, keep it in bounce. But remember
you got to get it past the twenty yard line,
you know, and then if you're the Bears, you got
to kick it out of bounce, out of bounce, okay,
not in the end zone, not for no return. You
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got to kick it out of about any If you
can't kick it out of bound, kick it out the sideline,
because we're trying to protect the two minute warning because
there was what was like two h two.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
At the time, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, right, And if you kick it out of bounds,
then after the first play there's an automatic two minute warning.
It's an automatic time out. You still have the opportunity
to get the ball back with far greater time.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, in the five yards there doesn't matter in that
Vikings Bear scenario, but it really mattered last night because
it's a tie game and the Seahawks hit the ball
and Doug. The reason why I think that you're right
in that they didn't know the rule is because kicking
it short is worst case scenario. Kicking it out of
bounds is also a worst case scenario. If you kicked
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it deep. Let's say he just kicked it and it
happened to go one yard into the end zone, then
it's only brought out to the thirty five. But you
could you could say to yourself, that's five yards. That's
significant when the Seahawks need a field goal to possibly
win the game. The miss there is long. The miss
(14:56):
isn't short. Yes, that's the last thing that you want
to do. The miss is long. And that's why I
don't think that they knew the rule because of the
miss being short last night.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, yeah, okay. And had he known the rule as
soon as it hit, you would have seen a negative
reaction from him, right, he would have been like, ah,
I blew it. He didn't think he blew it. He
didn't think he blew it. He did not think he
below Like, what's.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
The what is the bandwidth of a kickers week other
than just teeing off with the punter and kicking, Like,
don't you have so much time on your hands to
like memorize the rules if that's if that's your one
job to memorize exactly what you can and cannot do
on kickoffs, Like you're saying, four weeks in the guy
(15:42):
who was oblivious to a rule, Yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He's in his third year. But yeah, but the rules
have changed again. He's I mean this set might sound weird.
I'm sure he's never done that before. My guess is
he's never done before, right that. You're constantly when you're
trying to keep it in bounds, you're just trying to
not kick it out of bounds. You know, you're really
your target points like the five yard line and then
you know, or maybe the nine yard line. You're trying
(16:05):
to get in there, you know, get it way up
in the air and that on that one, he just
joinked it and it was short, and I'm sure there's
a lot of game slippage to it.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think the phrase of Gannon saying in play is
the thing that could have thrown him off. And I'm
not giving him an excuse. Yeah, if you kick it
into the end zone? Is that is that in play? Coach?
Is that really in play? But just so it doesn't
go out of bounds makes makes it feel like it's
(16:33):
in play. I'm sorry, No, I was just gonna say,
And you have to put some air under it because
you've got the everybody lined up not that far away.
So it's not like we could squibkick like we used to,
right where it would just go through the first line
of guys. There and make its way down the field.
You can't do that anymore. Like you at least have
(16:54):
to kick it in the air over these guys, so
it has to have some air on it.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
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Boom ex Boom. How familiar are you with the Pro
(17:50):
Football Hall of Fame? That's like, my first question is
how familiar are you with the Pro Football Hall of Fame?
I asked that because I think we do this thing
where we act like the Pro Football Hall of Fame
is something more prestigious than any other hall of fame,
(18:14):
and the reality to it is that's not totally the case. Okay,
here are the quarterbacks in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Clarence Parker, Sid Luckman, Arnie Herbert, John Driscoll, Benny Friedman,
(18:38):
Benny Friedman, Sammy Baugh, Sami Baugh, Troy Aikman, George Blanda,
Terry Bradshaw, Len Dawson, John Elway, Brett Farr, Dan Fouts,
Otto Graham, Bob Greasy, Sonny Jerkinsen, Jim Kelly, Bobby Lane,
(19:00):
Bayden Manning, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Wayne Way, Warren Moon,
Joe Namath, Ken Stabler, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkenton,
y A. Tittle, Johnny Unitis, Norm Van Brocklin, Kurt Warner,
Bob Waderfield, and Steve Young. Okay, so again, I think
(19:23):
Dan Fauts's was an incredible quarterback. They were nowhere near
a Super Bowl, right, And whatever we want to say
about quarterbacks, wins and losses are very much believed to
be a quarterback stat right. Warren Moon is a friend
he's a friend of the program. Warren Moon overcame a
(19:45):
lot just to make it in the NFL. After making
it in the CFL, he became an elite passer. No
one I know would say that Warren Moon is one
of the greatest quarterbacks of all time? Would you? So
it doesn't take great of all times. I thought John
Elway was a Hall of Famer before they won Super
Bowls late in his career. Matter of fact, when John
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Elway won his first Super Bowl, he had the lowest
quarterback rating of any quarterback to ever win the game.
Jim Kelly unbelievable four straight Super Bowls, did not win
one of them. I don't know if that matters to you.
Joe Namath is probably the most average quarterback of any
(20:27):
in the Hall of Fame. Nothing about his numbers, nothing
about his dominance. Was never seen as the best player
in the league. But he had won Super Bowl that
he called the shot and they beat the Baltimore Colts
and the New York Jets won the Super Bowl, and
for that he was made into a legend. I could
go through all of these, and some of them I've researched.
Some of them I have not Bob Greasy. I want
(20:52):
to say that Bob Greasey wasn't the quarterback of the
undefeated Dolphins because didn't he get hurt. I'm almost else
if he got hurt. I bring it up because last
night there was a debate and I'd actually credit Amazon
for this. Amazon's uh pre halftime post not particularly good,
(21:15):
and not because they don't have some interesting personalities that
may Ryan Fitzpatrick may become a star in this thing.
What's uh, what's the guy's name? I really like him.
He went to LSU. He said he was a ram
at first. He was with the with the Browns for
other than the Ram. Andrew Whitworth like there, there's there's
(21:35):
something there with those guys. But generally it's uh, kind
of what Richard Sherman did a little bit, which is
picking personal battles and trying to win them. Now that
I'm on TV and you're not, and it's a lot
of young guys or inexperienced guys in the medium of
(21:56):
television or in this case, streaming television trying to figure out,
all right, how do I do this thing? How do
I master the craft? When you don't have a veteran
person to kind of master the help you master the craft.
Jason knows that Tony Gonzalez is a really good friend
of mine. We're AU teammates. We've been friends ever since
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Christa Thompson, by the way, we were teammates at ESPN.
She's a good friend. We have this very very funny
text chain because a couple of years ago she texted
another Doug and was was giving him a bunch of
grief over not having an ad for their show and
didn't realize she was texting me, and I was just
(22:41):
I was I'm just a friend, like, hey, whatever you need,
I'll help you out with some dude named Doug. Yes,
here's Tony Gonzalez and Chrisa Thompson talking about Russell Wilson
last night. Do you think we've seen the last of
Russell Wilson?
Speaker 8 (22:54):
Honestly, I hope we have. And I say that because
I just looking at him and his career, his legacy,
Like he talked about if ever there was somebody who
played himself out of a Hall.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Of Fame, it's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
And I say that because look at what he's what's
happened ever since he left Seattle when he was in Seattle,
he was the man. He was making these good plays.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
He won a super went to two of them.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
But as soon as he left there, he went to
Dinverse on that big old deal. They paid him thirty
nine million dollars to leave because the Pittsburgh plays there.
One year, he's out of there, and now he goes
here and has three games.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I just don't know if it's gonna get any better.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
And I don't want to see him on a sideline
holding a clipboard.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Okay, So here's here's the thing. And I I'm a
lot of things. Jason thinks I'm offenseit or I am not. Okay.
There are certain things in which I think are nuanced
and it's hard to take a stance on. And I
don't want to sound like an idiot when I think
there's more to it. Okay, there are certain things in
which I will absolutely take one side or the other.
(23:50):
I didn't think Kurt. And Kurt Warner is a friend
of mine. Kurt Warner is like all time greatest dude
ever type friend. Anytime I'm in Phoenix, I text Kurt
Warner because he has a gym in his house, like
a basketball gym in his house. And they play four
on four. The key is to get on Kurt's team
because he gets every call. But the point is, I
didn't think Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer just
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from this perspective. How can you be a Hall of
Famer where there's like five years where you couldn't even
start in the NFL, they couldn't play it, and it
was in the middle of your career, right like you
went from nothing to greatest show on turf, to fell
out a favor, to had the hand injury and they
wanted to play Eli Manning, to back up in Arizona,
(24:33):
to start in Arizona, to Super Bowl again too. Yeah.
Now then all of a sudden he was a couple
of years later he was out right. So if you
say we haven't had a Hall of Famer who's had
years where he was removed as a starter, I give
you Kurt Warner. And Kurt's frankly, were in the middle
(24:53):
of his career, not just the end of his career,
right whereas Russell had I don't know, a decade where
his team was always good, always in the playoffs, went
to two Super Bowls, one to one, and I just
think that one you have a case of Tony and
trying to do the hot takey thing. Well, I hope
(25:15):
he never plays again. I think what he said is
he's hurting his legacy by continuing to play when he
clearly isn't as good as he used to be, and
he needs a specific sort of surrounding cast and he
doesn't have that. He doesn't have the complete buy in
of an organization, and for that to protect his legacy,
it's better if he doesn't play anymore. I think that's
(25:35):
what Tony meant. But then there's this other part to
Russell Wilson, which is very, very unique. Here's his former teammate,
he was the starting quarterback when they won one and
lost one Super Bowl. Here's Richard Sherman on the same broadcast.
Speaker 9 (25:52):
I think you got to judge his career off when
the legion of boom was there, he had a legendary
defense and all time defense, and how much success he had,
and then without that legendary defense to success he had.
Without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven, seven
and eight on in three to start with the Giants
Like that's he was a winning football player in Seattle,
and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this
(26:13):
good stuff, all these accolades, and now you get to
go on your own and you get to prove, hey,
I'm this great quarterback, I'm this guy that's gonna be dominant.
And it just hasn't worked out that way.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I thought. I thought Richard Sherman presented himself despite the
fact his information was highly biased and tinged in whatever
he and everyone knows they don't like each other. I
thought he presented it in a way which was super
dignified in matter of fact. But there has never will
(26:44):
never be a quarterback that has won a Super Bowl
lost another one whose former teammate defensive star won't say,
of course he's a Hall of Famer, he's the greatest.
It's like the most unique thing where all Richard Sherman
and all those defensive guys. You guys are and I
(27:06):
agree you were a great defense for a period of time.
Please stop with where the eighty five Bears. Tell me
when the eighty five Bears dominance took place and you
could sit there and go like we didn't have much offense, Like, dude, stop, Okay,
they never lost fewer than three games. They were down,
(27:30):
they were tremendous defensively, but they weren't together long enough,
and they were the most arrogant group you've ever known.
And they don't like their own quarterback. It's crazy, and
it feels like Richard Sherman and the rest of the
Legion of Boom they would they it's like their personal
goal to shoot down anything Russell Wilson because they feel
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like it diminishes the view of their success. I think,
I don't think, I'm I know Russell Wilson at the
end of the day will be a Hall of Famer.
He's been to two Super Bowls. He was a really
good quarterback for a long time. While his while some
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of the passing numbers aren't obscene, he got a year
of forty touchdowns and he had a year where he
had years where single digit interceptions, where he did not
lose the game, and it's it's called playing complimentary football.
Eli Manning's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. And
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if you're gonna put Philip Rivers in the Hall of Fame,
you damn sure better put Russell Wilson in the Hall
of Fame. And he could sit there and say, well,
the Legion of Boom like, dude, the legion of boom
was that was dead several years ago, right, several years ago,
and yet in Seattle they still won ten eleven, twelve
games up until his last season where he when he
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got hurt and they end up six to eight after
he started out a house of fire. That's the reality
to it. Right on his bad year when he hurt
his thumb in his last year in Seattle, when they
were six to eight, twenty five touchdown, six interceptions. Richard Sherman,
you are so insecure about how you're viewed and how
your defensive viewed and the fact that you don't like
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Russell Wilson and for whatever, and maybe it's his personality,
it seems to irritate a lot of people. But God's
that's just an awful SoundBite. You are an awful teammate,
There's no question about it. Buyer, you are a Seattle
Seahawks fan, tried and true go back because of Dave Craig.
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Help me with this debate.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's I agree with a lot of what you said,
and how we look at Russell Wilson. The bar four
quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame seems to be a
lot lower even though you were able to list off
all of the names in a somewhat succinct fashion. There's
not like four hundred quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame
in the NFL. But the Kurt Warner point is well made.
(30:03):
The Eli Manning discussion is one, and I think that
Russell Wilson's career stacks up very well against Eli Mannings.
But the phases of Russell Wilson's career, to me, never
screamed hall of Fame. And how we're breaking this down,
I think is unfair in a way to say that
he's played himself out of it. I don't think that
(30:25):
you could do that, But I do think that he
had an advantage with a defense early on. Then when
it was his show, he put up very good numbers
and in one year was think accounted for all but
one of the Seahawks' touchdowns or two of their touchdowns
that year. Statistically, his numbers are fine. But I never
(30:46):
thought that he was the Hall of Fame quarterback, or
that he was destined to be a Hall of Famer,
And so I find it interesting that this conversation is
now popping up because of his bad play. He ever
really considered it when he was playing. I thought that
he was trending, like if you would have went to
Denver and won a Super Bowl and played well there, absolutely,
(31:09):
but I'm just thinking about what he did basically in
Seattle as his career, and it was a great career.
I just don't think it's Hall of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
It's really interesting. I don't think so either. Okay, I
want to make sure this is really clear. It's like
Jalen Hurts. I don't think he's really a Hall of Famer.
I don't think he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of
all time. But the reason I read that list was
there's some other guys You're like, yeah, I don't know,
I don't know. And the way in which the league
(31:41):
is trending, it's become quarterback or sort of nothing else, right,
And again, I just think we're going to have this
wave of guys that get in, and you know you're
gonna any argument you could make, which is a valid one.
It's like, Okay, well, if you're gonna keep Russell Wilson,
you're gonna keep Eli out. There's no way you keep
Eli out. And if you keep those guys, and if
(32:03):
you're gonna put Dan Fouts in, like, why can't you
put Philip Rivers in? And if you're gonna put Philip
Rivers in, how come you can't put a guy who
won playoff games in?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Pro football? Hall of Fame voters have been the toughest
if you compare them with baseball on being able to
draw the line they actually did. Last year they had
a smaller class. For the previous ten years or maybe
fifteen years, they just had max classes. Let's put everybody in.
Let's get all of these guys in because there's gonna
be more guys coming down the line. And last year
(32:33):
they're like, oh, hold on, wait a sec, We're only
gonna put four guys in this time. That was a
break from the norm. I wonder if that change will
hurt these guys because of how easy it seemed to
get into the Hall of Fame with some of these
like the current corner one is magnificent because for a
three year span, there was no one better there truly wasn't.
(32:55):
But you look at that career. Do you look at
that stretch? Yeah? Is that really Hall of Fame worthy?
Is that what we're looking at?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
And it's just the idea of this this was my argument,
and again I was prepared for it when we did it. Okay.
So Kurt Warner broke into the league at twenty eight
years old, right. His first year, that was when they
went to and won a Super Bowl forty one touchdowns
and at the time forty one touchdowns was he led
(33:22):
the league? Okay. Then the next year he missed some
of the year, but he still ended up eight wins
three interceptions, right, but he had a ton of interceptions.
The following year was when they were fourteen and two.
He had thirty six touchdowns, but he had twenty two interceptions.
Then he was bad. Now he got hurt, right, but
(33:44):
oh and six barely played in two thousand and three,
only played in two games. Then he went to the
Giants and he was essentially the placeholder for Eli Manning
if people remember. And with the Giants he started nine games.
A Hall of Famer through nine games at six touchdowns
(34:06):
and four interceptions. Then he goes to Arizona, Okay, and
he's supposed to be the backup, and I think Liner
got hurt that first year, right, And he comes in
and they're five and four eleven touchdown excuse me, two
and eight two and eight with eleven touchdowns, nine interceptions.
(34:27):
Then he's the backup to liner and he barely plays.
He actually started five games when he won in four record.
It wasn't until he was thirty seven and thirty eight.
At thirty seven years old, that's when they went to
the Super Bowl. And he had another very good year
thirty touchdowns, fourteen interceptions, forty five hundred yards. His last
year was good. They won ten games. He got knocked
(34:48):
out in the playoffs. I think that was the Saints.
Remember how hard they hit him, And that was when
Brenda wore. The point is that, like if you look
at Kurt Warner, you're like, wow, that's really not a
Hall of Fame career, because if you were a Hall
of Famer in Saint Louis, you would be decent at
any other time that they would throw you into a game,
and that wasn't the case. It's really like five good
(35:11):
years and six below average to some bad years. A
lot of it is is injury, but again, like that's
not the only story.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
One more point for Wilson. They did not invest in
their offensive line during his prime years because they'd said, well,
he's mobile, he can move around truly. That was part
of why I took a bunch of sacks as well.
But I just there was never a point where I
thought it was, oh, yeah, this guy's headed to the Hall.
Could have been yeah, could have been Like, honestly, if
things would have worked out better in Denver, I think
(35:45):
that would have solidified the case. But at never no
point do I think that he is withdrawn from the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
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Speaker 1 (36:00):
How good is this weekend in college football? Jason Sewett?
Can you ask that question more time?
Speaker 5 (36:06):
How good is this this weekend in college football?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You got to ask you a little bit more energy,
like you're actually asking a question.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Hey, Doug, Yeah, how good is this weekend in college football?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I'll tell you how good it is. Kirk Kurbstreet came
up with some bizarre take that it makes no sense
to have all these games on one weekend, like it
was planned out that that are week oh on these
games are actually good? Now I get Alabama Georgia. Maybe
that's a little bit early in the year for you, right,
this is her and I love Herbie, but take a
listen to this take.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
It's another example of why we need eventually a commissioner's office,
Like the NFL has a commissioner's office.
Speaker 11 (36:47):
Right, and there are a lot of different layers to
what that office could do. Obviously, in this nil and
portal era and the realignment era, I think the biggest
thing that I think sometimes is a guy who eats breeze.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
College football. There are some weeks in college football where
it's just there might be one good game, and there
are other weeks like this week. You could argue this
is the greatest weekend of the entire year. Starting Friday
night there's good.
Speaker 12 (37:13):
Games, and then from game day and then after game
day noon eastern all the way. If you're crazy like me,
you'll watch BYU in Colorado at ten fifteen they start,
and that'll go to whatever one in the morning, and
you're thinking, man, why wouldn't we have somebody instead of
the Big ten in their own silo, the SEC and
(37:35):
their silo, the Big twelve and the ACC. Wouldn't it
be great if we had a commissioner's office to just
kind of like, let's spread some of these games out.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Yeah, I don't know how to tell Herbie this, but
that is never going to happen, can't happen, won't happen,
and is among the most bizarre. Golly, I hate to
say this because Herbie awesome. It's like a super uneducated take.
It's a it's a very much a fan take. I mean,
(38:07):
it's like Florida State Virginia. I'm super into the game tonight,
but had Florida State no one knew they were gonna
beat Alabama or nobody don know what to expect from
Florida State. Two years ago they unefeated. Last year they
win two games. Now they're undefeated. We don't know how
good they are, so I mean, who would have thought
that's a good game, right? I don't know if TCU
(38:28):
is any good there. They beat North Carolina, but everybody's
beating North Carolina. They beat SMU, but is SMU really
good or was last year just a creation of a
schedule and a lot of money. Arizona State won the
Big Twelve last year, but they've already lost to Mississippi State, Like,
how are you gonna know that that's gonna be a
that's not a traditional, you know, powerhouse game. Usc and
(38:50):
Illinois were acting like that's a big game. But why
because because Illinois ranked? Okay, Illinois wins Western Illino and
Western Michigan. They played one good team. Indiana beat them
sixty three to ten, Like, why are we considering that
a some game that we want to move and put
around our schedule. Don't get me wrong, there are good
(39:13):
games out there. LSU Ole miss is big time. Problem
is in the SEC kind of every week we have
some games Auburn, A and m good game Indiana, Iowa.
Did anybody think that would be a big game? This
rule in the year Tennessee, Mississippi State, I don't know.
(39:34):
Penn State, Purdue, we I mean Penn State to Oregon,
we knew, but you know again it's like Penn State, like, well,
they got to schedule some games, like okay, Well, there's
a logic and reason to why they play who they play.
Oregon has to come middle of the season. I think
they didn't want the West Coast teams coming in November
when they have to deal with with snow. They wanted
to keep it to where they play their regional teams.
(39:58):
But he just there's too many moving hearts to have
one guy or one group coordinate one hundred and thirty
Division one teams. Just doesn't work that way. It's hard
enough to get your own schedule, let alone your league schedule,
let alone a national schedule.
Speaker 13 (40:13):
Yes, Sammy Doug, your point about, you know, teams getting good,
becoming ranked, and then how the rankings shift every week,
that's a great point. We don't know, you know, it's
five weeks from now, we might have another crazy weekend
where a team you know, works, is undefeated, works its
way from unranked to ranked, and then we got you know,
all this cast. I kind of look at weekends like
(40:33):
this as like the first two days of the NCAA tournament,
like there's just a lot going on and we can't
spread them out. We have to have them on Saturday.
So we're gonna play these games. It's going to be
a smortas Board of Football to pay attention to. Unfortunately,
they're not all standalone games. We have to have them
all going on the same day and I'll probably be
watching from nine am until two am, and that's life
and I love it.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Uh next week, it's like we're making like Colorado by
US a big game, West Virginia by US. Next week.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yes today, Well, yeah, this is also does kirkurb Street
think that they're like sixty nine hours in a day?
I mean, like, how would how would you have a
schedule that would work out for the football fan that
kirkerb Street wants to watch all these games? Right? Like
that's there's just it's not possible. In fact, it's a
(41:25):
little there's also a little tone deafness to it in
a way because the two criticisms that we've had with
scheduling games have come because of big noon kickoff. People
are mad that Texas Ohio State was a big noon
kickoff game and not under the lights. That's at noon
Eastern time. So if you were to put a game
(41:46):
at noon Eastern, everybody'd be mad because they felt that
game should be at night. And then last week, well,
Jason and I were camping out during the overnight at
O'Hare Airport on their comfortable chairs. It was two o'clock
in the morning in USC and Michigan State. We're still
playing football, which people were complaining that the fans in
East Lanting were up at three am. I even said
(42:06):
it to Jason, I go, it's three am at Michigan
State right now. And they're having to stay up and
watch this game. So there's not a lot of wiggle
room with this. And now do you want all of
these top games to be moved, say like a weekend
before Ohio State plays Michigan, where or Alabama or Georgia
would play a cupcake before their rivalry, specifically Alabama back
(42:29):
in the day. You're gonna move a tough game there.
It's just to me, it's fantasy.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Talk, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's but like you're
talking about Kirk herb Street, right, he is. There's no
man more synonymous with college football over the past twenty
years than Kirk kurb Street. And it's a lot like
you have a government official who's totally normal that all
of a sudden they're like spitting out conspiracy theories. You're like, dude,
(42:56):
what happened to you? Have you been on the internet
too long? Right? Wait? You are super normal and now
you believe nothing and you've ever been taught no matter
how provable. It is, like, this is Kirk kerb Street,
who knows how on some level TV schedules how it
all works. You know that you can't get all the
games in at once, and how these big time coaches
(43:19):
are like, look, we need to space some games out
and what works for TV, what doesn't work for TV.
And now you're coming on and you literally look like
an internet troll, be like, hey, if there's a commissioner,
they'll spread the games out. You know, you do know
it's next week, right, Kirk.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Red River? Rov is it? No, It's not like it's
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
So no, No. Next week is Florida State Miami, which
is a really big game. If Florida State beats Virginia.
If they don't, then it's let's make fun of Florida
State or may make fun of Alabama. We have no
idea if that's going to be a big game or
not going to be big game. Next week. Van de
Bama is next week. That looks like a gigantic game.
(44:00):
But what happens with Bama this week? And right now?
Vandy's the surprise of the league. Boise State Notre Dame
is next week. Before the year, you would have thought, well,
that's a hell of a game, two teams from the
college football playoff matching back up. But right now do
you do you think that way?
Speaker 3 (44:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Texas, Florida Florida stinks. That would have been probably the
biggest game heading into the year. Wisconsin Michigan not a
big game after how Wisconsin played against Alabama. Right then
you get to the next week. That's exactly what you're
talking about. It's that's Red River rivalry. That's Bama, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee,
(44:40):
South Carolina, who people thought was good against LSU, Ohio State, Illinois, Like,
there's no we cand where we don't have good Like,
what is he even talking about? It's literally like, yeah,
are we sure? Have you seen some of these conspiracy
theories that people think, like all these stars have body doubles,
you know, or the president, Like that's not really the president.
First it was by and now there's Trump. Like these
(45:01):
are really body dells. Like that movie Dave where Something's happened.
I almost think there's a body devil for Kirkurbstreet.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It just yeah, when we go to our restaurant, there's
five things in the menu that I'd love. I'd love
to order all of them at one point. Guess what
you can't you gotta pick one. Maybe if you got
a multiple TV setup, you got to pick two. The
other thing with college football that I think is unique
to college football is everybody has their school, so I
(45:31):
don't have a multi TV setup at home. But tomorrow
Ohio State plays Washington at three point thirty Eastern time,
and that's gonna be the game that I'm going to
watch the most of, if not all of. So that
also means that I miss a majority of LSU and
Ole Miss. Now, maybe Ohio State Washington is on the
list of great games tomorrow, which I think it should be,
(45:53):
but it's also the fact of everybody's got a favorite school. Doug,
you'd want to see how Oklahoma State would play if
without Gundhy being there, So you're gonna watch that game.
Sam's gonna watch Iowa against Indiana, which again is one
of the better games that we've got. He's gonna miss
probably Ohio State Washington and have a tougher time flipping
back and forth because it's on Peacock. But there's like,
(46:16):
there's also that portion of it, like kirkirb Street is
in the complete minority of college football fans and how
they consume college football.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
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(46:48):
I'm gonna I'm going to quote you, but steal your
line and maybe I'll ask Dan Buyer a question. Dan
is the number three quarterback, generally made a vail to
the media.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I don't see it a lot. Don't see it a lot.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I've never been a beat reporter. I've never I've done
NFL games. I've talked to NFL people. I don't know
the protocol. I don't know the protocol. But it does
seem odd that the Browns would have open media and hey,
there's Shador. Sanders ask him a question that they asked
Shador if he felt like he was ready to play
(47:26):
after sitting for a couple of weeks. Here's what here's
his answer.
Speaker 7 (47:30):
He had a break over.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
He says, you don't learn anything I've never said on
the bench and said.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
I learned a lot today.
Speaker 10 (47:36):
You agree with him on man.
Speaker 7 (47:38):
What are you talking?
Speaker 14 (47:38):
He said that respect being respect him, So you know
that's not that's not nothing. You know I'm a place
to answer. You know, there's nothing I can't answer, not answer,
but I know for sure I'm not. Uh, I know
if you if you see the quarterback player in the
league right now, I know, I know I'm capable of
doing better than that.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
So should yours? Sanders just pulled at Lebron James. Only
Lebron was talking about his son, Chador was talking about himself.
Let's dial back a couple of years ago where Lebron James,
on I felt like a random Sunday tweeted out that
that Bronni was better than half the dudes in the league.
Was that? Was that the Was that the the exact quote,
Dan Bayer? Was it half the guys? Or was it
(48:21):
some of these guys?
Speaker 2 (48:23):
I'm taking a look here. Uh it's uh, if you
see he said, if you see the quarterback playing the
league right now, I know I'm capable of better of
Oh of Bronni. Oh, I'm sorry, I was listening to
a Kevin Stefanski cut because he responded to Shador Sanders,
I don't know the Bronni cut.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
Okay, this is Bronni's tweet, This is Lebron's tweet. Man
Bronni definitely better than some of these cats I've been
watching on League Past today. Crap, lightweight, hilarious, four emojis
of laughing faces.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Right, So he didn't say half. He said he's he's
better than some of these guys. And that was when
Bronni was in college at US coming off the bench
for one of the worst teams in the Pac twelve
that year, and of course he was coming back from
some sort of cardiac arrest. Do we have the Stefanski sound?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Uh no, the audio isn't good. I was listening to
it again.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
I understand there are people and and the people that
are like the Shador Sanders, flag Waivers everybody I most
of those people have it's died down because really, Dion
did them no good when he admitted that he didn't
want him to play for the Ravens. And who is
the other team that had the quarterback that he said
he didn't want to play for and they called him
I don't know, but the Ravens were the big one, right,
(49:36):
You're like, wait, what, you don't want him to play?
You don't want to be on the Ravens Like kind
of seems like a pretty good place to learn, then
you hear Shador's cut, then you watch Chador how he
handles himself. I understand that Shadoor Sanders may represent something
to you that he doesn't to me. I think he
was just a really good college player and we got
(49:59):
to figure out and the Browns or whoever has him
has to figure out if he can be an NFL
starting quarterback or if he's an NFL backup. I don't
think he's a career backup because he doesn't feel like
he wants to be a backup. Because if you're invested
in the backup role, then the only possible answer, and
the first thing is you shouldn't be interviewed. The second
(50:19):
thing is the only possible answer should be Hey, if
I sit there for I'm ready to play. It doesn't matter.
My job is to get Joe Flacco ready, to make
sure he has every answer to every question that he's
going to see. And my job, if I'm the scout
team quarterback, is to get that defense ready. That's my
job on the week. Do I watch? Yeah? I mean
I have so much to learn, right, And it wasn't
(50:42):
a I don't feel like it was an unfair question
to use a quote and I don't know who he
was quoting that said I didn't learn anything when I
was sitting on the bench. That's when Schendor can correct him.
He's like, well, I've been send on the bench and
I've learned a ton. But much like we criticized Russell
Wilson for not being a human being, I would say
the same thing for for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yea by I was just gonna say. Kevin Stefanski did
say when he asked about it, said they prepare all
of their players to get ready to play, and it's
something that they take pride in, something that they do
every minute is to get every player ready to play.
So all of their players are ready to play.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
And I'm not going to sit here and tell you
it's wrong for Chadoor to have confidence, nor it's wrong
that Sure thinks he can play. Every guy who plays
quarterback in the league believes if you give me what
some other guy has, right, you give me what they
got in Minnesota with that coach, that running game. When
(51:39):
when Aaron Jones is healthy, that those wide receivers like
I'd be great. So what Shador Sanders is saying is
is not inaccurate to him and how he feels. But
he just lacks any sort of ability to read the room.
That's it. That's what. That's what, that's what it lacks
at the end of the day,
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