October 1, 2025 • 52 mins
On a Wednesday edition of the Best Of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Monse Bolanos in for Doug as they discuss MLB's Wild Card round and what could be done to make it more interesting to attend.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Happy Wednesday to you and yours who hump day. You
could have a lot of different meetings for a Wednesday
for some of us who are here on Sunday, like yourself, Well,
it's not even your hump Day because you are here. Oh,
I know Saturday and Sunday, but now you're starting the week.
It's kind of a hump day for me. We're just
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happy it's Wednesday. We made it to Wednesday. We're a
day away from Week five in the NFL and more.
College football and baseball has been able to soothe our
senses for at least a few days in these afternoons
with the wild card games. But I'm telling you, Monci,
not everything is right with these best of three series.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't disagree with you there, Dan, could we have
been more interested in the games happening on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'll I think there's a lot to that and what's
going on with this landscape of Major League Baseball right now,
because I think it's neat. I think it's great when
you're at work. Maybe you're in Cleveland, maybe you're in Detroit.
Maybe you're a Tigers or Guardians fan, Cubs and Padres
about to get underway from Wrigley in San Diego. Maybe
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not a lot of work is getting done today, and
it's great to have meaningful baseball during the day. I
understand all of that. I get all of that, but
I'm just wondering on how much stock is being put
into these best of three series. You're a Dodgers fan.
The Dodgers welcome the Reds to town last night in
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Game one of a series where the Dodgers have had
the Reds number all season long, and it happened again
last night. Now, there may have been some hairy instances,
but by and large, the Dodgers were basic cruise control
for much of the night. You're at Dodger Stadium. I
don't know how many times a week, but you're there
every single week of the season and every single week
(02:09):
of the offseason. Was there any buzz in advance of
last night's Wildcards start against the Reds.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
No, not a lot. It was not a sold out game.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You could have still literally walked up to the stadium
to the box office and bought tickets. In fact, I
think you could have gotten cheaper tickets from third party
of season ticket holders who did not seem to care
necessarily about playing the Cincinnati Reds in a Wildcard series
best of three in LA. And it has more to
do with a couple things. As a Dodger fan, we've
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done this before, we've been here. Yes, a lot like
going to the postseason. We're very lucky fan base. We've
go that's our norm is to go to the postseason.
And I do think if the Mets would have clinched,
it would have been different. I do think that. I
think there's a little bit more bad blood but with
the Reds, like, oh the Reds are and how great
is that? I love Kellie Dill, Yes, I love Ellie
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de Lacruz. You know, Hunter Green goes back to where
his roots are from first playoff game in LA. That's
tough for anybody. He gets quickly lit up lead off
home run from Sho Heyo Tani settles in, but Blake's
now Like you said in Cruise Control, there was a
moment where the yeah, yeah, yeah, we were at the
edge of our seats because our poopin likes to do
that to us. But luckily we ended up coming out
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with the win. But it wasn't a sold out game.
Even our tours were not that busy, Like it was
such a calm day for a quote unquote postseason October baseball.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Not really, but baseball?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Does that make a bad baseball fan? Like, I'm not
saying that the Dodgers are baseball fans. Are they spoiled fans?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
How can I say that we're not spoiled? Of course
we are. Of course we are. And it's like, does
that make us a bad fan?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't know, but maybe it's just or is it
that the wild Card series extending this way was unnecessary?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I almost feel that the Dodgers because and I don't
think it's just a Dodger thing. I think it's with
the Atlanta Braves in the nineties and two thousands, when
the playoffs weren't as even a substantial as they are nowadays.
I think we criticized Braves fans in the past of
not showing up because they were so used to winning
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the division title and so used to playing divisional playoff
games when all that mattered were league championship series and
World Series. It's kind of like the Patriots in the
AFC East. You would not buy an AFC East champion
shirt in the Tom Brady era because it was such
a given. Now, if you were the Jets or the
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Dolphins or during that time, the Bills, absolutely it was
a rarity. You would wear it twice a week if
you could. I would have worn it three times a
week at school Monday, Wednesday and Friday. May not even
even have watched because I wouldn't want the ink to
wear off of it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Mariners fans, Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's exactly, Yes, exactly that they are. They are living
the high and they get that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Absolutely so funny that you say that, because my dad
asked me to buy I'm a divisional hat and I said, why.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Do you make them? Do they make them? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
No, no, no they do. But my dad I said,
why bah, why?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
OK?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You have last years and I think I gave you
the year before. Like I couldn't believe he asked me
for that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He's crazy they should just put like a rotational number,
you know that you change at the end, right, right.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
That would be funnier and more correct. Jesus, change it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Take the year each night, you could be like what
division championshoild be? You gonna rock? I'm gonna go twenty
twenty two. So then you just adjust the number on
the half.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I love that. Hold on, jan write that down. You're
onto something. That's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You could do it. I mean, like truly, And that's
that's the spoiled nature of it. Doesn't make them a
bad fan. It's just there are bigger fish to fry
correct and I think that's what's kind of starting to
get at what we saw last night. Jason Stewart, executive
producer of the show, noted Dodger fan thoughtful critic, as
we allude to him when Doug is out. But you
(06:09):
were critic co of the Dodgers fans last night, not
of the not showing up to Monzie's point where you
could get cheaper tickets on the secondary market than just
walking up to the box office. You were more critical
of what was happening on the back end of last
night's game.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean if You're a Dodger fan. You know
the volatility of our bullpen. You've seen it all year,
So it just struck me as strange. And if the
crowd wasn't a sold out, that's fine, but the people
that were there had been leaving before the seventh inning,
and I just had to look this up to make
sure I got it right. The Reds entered the eighth
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inning down ten to two. They got the tying run
on deck at some point due to the clumsy nature
of our bullpen, and I'm thinking, if I've paid money
to go see a playoff game, why would I leave.
It's almost like a you have to be counterintuitive as
a Dodger fan who wants to beat the traffic can
be like the worst part of our team is the bullpen.
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The drama might be right around the corner. It almost
forces you to stick around and make sure. So I
just thought it was a weird, a weird thing to see.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I think that's the bigger picture of it. Because
Jason called it a playoff game, it is a playoff
game where in the postseason, I don't think everyone looks
at it like that. I'm looking at Wrigley right now.
I don't see an empty seat at Cubbs have made
it to the postseason for the first time since twenty twenty.
It's also a thing to do. It's Wrigley Field Day
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Baseball and Monci and you can win this series today,
So there's a reason to show up. And this is
why I'm not blaming Dodger fans and I'm not calling
Dodger fans spoiled because I look at what's happening in
Cleveland right now, and Breeze going to have our update
on what's happening between the Tigers and Guardians. But it's
bottom of the sixth inning, one to one. Detroit is
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up one to zero in the series. The story of
the last month at Major League Baseball has been the
collapse of the Tigers and the rise of the Guardians.
Believe Land was the name that was brought back because
of what Cleveland was doing. And yesterday I saw on
social media various shots of not one not to but
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a variety of empty seats in the lower bowl and
a variety of empty seats in the upper deck. Yes,
he was going to get to variety if Lebron kept
on talking. There was so many empty seats now you're
saying how many empty seats were they were there. I
can't give you an exact number, but I can't tell
(08:39):
you this that the Guardians game yesterday against the Tigers
drew twenty six and sixty eight fans. That isn't capacity, right.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, that sounds low.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
What is capacity the last week? And I'll get to
that number in just a second.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Last week the Tigers and Guardians played as series for
the division, right and they were battling for their playoff lives.
Every single one of those three games drew higher than
Game one of the wild card series yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Well, damn, that's part of the problem. Why are they
seeing each other?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
We just saw how many games between the I was
gonna say the Cavalieres, the Guardians and the Tigers. If
you were a Guardians fan, like you said, this was
the most interesting story the last month of baseball. At
one point, fifteen games, fifteen and a half games out
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right here they are winning the division. If you were
a Guardians fan, you probably spent your money this past homestand,
right you, you spent your money this past homestand and
now the people are here like great, So I paid
money to watch this team again.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
That's this isn't I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
This is this is why you can't fool baseball fans. Yes,
is because they understand, They understand what is happening and
what is at stake. Last week, the game against the Tigers,
of them making or not making the postseason was much
more valuable. It completed their journey, this run that they
were on, That's what it was a part of. Now
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I understand the game was in the daytime yesterday, the
three games against the Tigers were in the evening. But
I just don't know how you could ever say that
a regular season game would draw more than a playoff game.
And that is what we have here. And the Cubs
today can clinch. The Yankees cannot clinch. If you have
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a Yankees ticket tonight at Yankee Stadium, I don't know
if you would why you would use the ticket, Manzi,
because if you were to pay money for that ticket,
you are either seeing your team live another day to
Game three, which is the much more valuable ticket the
next day, or you're watching them lose and have their
season end. There's just not as much value for all
(11:09):
of these teams. Now. The Mariners different. I actually thought
it was going to be different with Cleveland, Yeah, but
it wasn't. Maybe the Cubs, maybe the Mariners, who we
don't know because they have their buy And I think
the best of five series is different than the best
of three. But for Major League Baseball to expand these
playoffs and to have this best of three series, one
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of the biggest things that I think is a detriment
to seeing it is fans know what these series are.
These maybe aren't the real playoffs. These are the playoffs
to get you into the playoffs. The stretcher under the
regular season, I think meant more to some of these
teams and some of these fans than these actual best
of three series going on right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I love that line, Dan that you can't fool baseball
fans because to this Yankee Red Sox series, if you
are a fan of either teammates and the Yankees, you're
probably expecting to go beyond you're expecting I know you're
down right now, but you're probably expecting to go beyond
the wildcard, right And so Yankee fans are like, I
see the Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
All the damn time, all the damn time.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I don't know how to fix the wildcard situation in
baseball by adding these wildcards. But I hate that Detroit
and Cleveland are playing against each other, and I hate
that the Red Sox and the Yankees are playing against
each other.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I don't know how to fix it, but they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You shouldn't see a division rival in the wildcard when
you already see them so many times throughout the regular season.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
The drawback is is somebody's going to get an unfair
draw then because you're trying to.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
The life is not fair?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, then what what Here's.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I don't have the solution. I'm just telling you I
don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I actually, and I'm totally fine with that. Like
ninety nine percent of the time you're saying, like, okay,
you have a problem, tell me the better solution. I
don't know what. I don't know, because what about if
you had three teams from the division all make the
wild card, Well.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Then somebody flips the coin and you're right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So you're gonna be somewhere like the Red Sox Orioles
and Yankees were all totally light. Somebody's gonna have to
play somebody.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Somebody is, but at least like that's that seems like
an even you know, more crazier situation. But this one,
this happens like two years ago. Dodgers should not have
played the Podgers in the wild Guard series. Like I,
I just don't like it, and I don't know the solution,
but somebody can think of something.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Do you think it would make it more makes it
more interesting? You just said that if the Mets and
Dodgers played that it would have been a more interesting
I think.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So, yes, because I think there's a little bit more
bad blood. Also, the Mets have a guy what's his name?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
What's his name? On Soto Dan that guy also what's
his other name?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Pete Alonzo that literally said remember in the clubhouse after
they lost, I'm out. I'm opting out of my contract
because I'm over this in Francisco and there's just more
interesting players. The Reds are just like a young, fun team,
Like they're good and they're young, and they're exciting to watch,
especially Elie de la Cruz. But the names don't draw
you in yet because it's the Reds and nobody expected
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them to be here.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The divisional series will I think will be sold out,
especially in the markets like Seattle, yep, like Milwaukee, like Toronto.
I think that you're going to see so sgnificant. Yeah
about it. I'm gonna give you a little You think
it's going to be like that, They've had success but but.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Still underwhelming the last closest if they're.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Playing the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yes, yes, then it'll be And that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, yes, so that that will be the case. Do
you think there's a big problem Jason, Like, do you
do you find the Dodgers fans leaving early outside of
the bullpen? In issue? Do you find Cleveland not drawing
as much as they did during the regular season in issue?
In baseball?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Oh? I do?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I think there also is a socioeconomic angle to this.
I think in the Detroit, Cleveland, these city, these kind
of Midwest cities, it's kind of rough. Who call her,
I guess you would call it have been struck in
kind of economic bad times. Maybe we're holding them under
a different kind of barometer here because you know that
Chicago's gonna be full, La should be full, New York
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should be full. There are a lot of people. There
are a lot of people make a lot of money. I
do think that the solution that Manzi's my searching for
is this is I also, and I think a lot
of people hate the fact that there are division opponents
in that wild card round. I don't think it's fair
to either team that you're going to play a team
for a three game series that you've already seen eighteen times.
(15:32):
I think that it's unfair to everybody, and the fan
base is included. So you just say, Bajor League Baseball
says you can't play your own division in the first round,
and lesser's extenuating circumstances and three teams get in. How
often do that does that happen? And so in this case,
what the Tigers would have played the Yankees and the
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Red Sox would have played the Guardian, Right. I don't
know if that would affect the box office for Cleveland
if that's a different topic, But I think there is
a solution that Baseball could throw out there with just
certain caveats.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
There's also so you'd rather see if you're a Yankees
a Red Sox fan, those teams play in the divisional
series or the league championship series. Right, There's there's there's
no there's no argument about that, but there's also a
point with Major League Baseball that says, we'll take what
we can get because there's no guarantee that the Yankees
and Red Sox would win their series, and so now
we're missing out. We just missed out on possibly three
(16:29):
games of Yankees Red Sox because we have zero because
one of the teams didn't win or neither of the
teams won. In looking for that, I understand what you're
talking about in fairness for these teams, But then it's
unfair for a higher seeded team, say the division winner,
to have to play against a better wild card team
just because you didn't want to, you.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Know, I mean, you still go, you still get your
home field advantage.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So if you're the so so, the Guardians and Tigers,
this would this would be the scenario that we laid out.
The Guardians would have played exactly exactly, and the Tigers
would have hosted the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The Yankees would have hosted the Tigers, and the Tigers
are still on the road, so it doesn't change much
for them.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is that fair to Cleveland? You think that they would
rather face the Red Sox than the team that they've
played all season long? I do.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I do, especially because of their particular schedule that ended
playing against each other, Like wouldn't you want a break
from that?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's how the cookie crumbles, Like matches in the NFL
Week eighteen, Week seventeen that you got to play him
in the wild card the next drink.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Sure, yeah, yeah, life is on fire.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I just think that you just pocket the matchup that
you can again, because there's no guarantee the best series
for clevel. I mean, the Yankees are kind of the
Yankees and Dodgers are maybe they have this this I
was going to say, a bulletproof sort of thing where
it's it's not going to be a bad series when
the Yankees come to town. It's not going to be
a bad is when the Dodgers come to town. Like
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we're talking about the Phillies. No disrespect to the Reds,
but that's you know, a scenario here. But how many
how many opponents of the Guardians can you have that
you would think like, all right, the crowd's really going
to show up like I thought it would be the Tigers,
but apparently it's not. By the way, Progressive Field, thirty
four thousand, eight hundred and thirty is the capacity, and
(18:22):
so they got twenty six that eight thousand empty seats
or non sold tickets in yesterday's game. I'm just I'm
just saying, like, if you were to, if you were
to mess everything up for the sake of just trying
to protect certain teams, that's not necessarily fair to the
other teams. And then it's not necessarily beneficial to some
(18:43):
of those other teams as well. So you got to
kind of stick with the standings.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I mean, maybe it was just a wrong decision to extend.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Play better Dodgers, play better Dodgers, get a buye and
then we're not going to go.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I don't know if that's any better.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I keep done.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And you know, and then not worry about Can I
speak to one thing that you said that I hadn't
even thought about? If you have a Yankees ticket today
or are you going? The brilliance in that question is like,
do you want to go to a game where you're
gonna lose to your arch enemy? The chance of losing
to your arch enemy and how bad you're going to feel?
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And Yankee fans tend to be pessimistic. They tend to
be what's a thoughtful whatever I'm called that would be
a dreadful experience to go to that game to see
them lose tonight to the Red Sox specifically.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And if you were to go tonight, why wouldn't you
just go tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Right? You would wait for a game.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Three absolutely, So if you have to get off of
work early, because it's what six o'clock Eastern time, the
first pitch starts, you make your plans, you would do
it for tomorrow absolutely, because you would also say, well,
if they don't play tomorrow, then at least I didn't
go there and watch them lose. So that's the other
portion this when you have the three straight home games,
which I think is fine. I'm actually I'm fine with that.
(20:04):
I think it also gives the division winner at least
an advantage, totally totally in that in that series, but
there's just not a lot of value when you drop
game one to buy a game two.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
If we were to do what you know, Jason and
I want of making it that you cannot play a
division team for the wild Card, then that would put
more emphasis on winning the division and having the home field,
because I feel like now because of this edition of
the wild Cards, like some teams are like Hey, it's fine.
If we don't want the division, we'll just get in
there anyway. Yeah, more emphasis on winning the division.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You just said it that the Dodgers you weren't good
with the buye, so maybe they're like, hey, let's play
some baseball and leading into the best of five. If
you're playing against the Phillies who are rested, and I.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Know you don't want to like plan like that, be like, no,
we should try. We should lose lose this game, so
we don't. I know you don't want to do that,
but I just rest versus rust is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
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Speaker 6 (21:09):
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
I have a confession to make, Monsey. I can't stand
it when people call the w NBA the W. It
annoys me, like no other the W.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
What about the m NBA here, you gom, let's just
call it yes, No, it's just WNBA, Like they're trying
to sound cool.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
They're trying to sound a hit by calling it the W.
Here's my suggestion. Okay, instead of calling it the W,
let's call it the T because there is always ta
going on with the W. Nbaat hit her up at
Manzy Belayes. You can find me at dan Byer on Fox.
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Speaker 4 (22:25):
Super easy.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
It's funny because you heard Brie say that the Browns
have made a change at quarterback, something we're going to
get to in about twenty minutes or so. The change
at quarterback is Dylan Gabriel in for Joe Flacco. I
did not mention should or Sanders, but somehow, some way,
Should door Sanders has also become a part of the
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conversation of that comes up in about twenty five minutes.
But you know it's the middle of the show, in
the middle of the week. That means it's not getting
mind you, it's time for stuck.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Midway.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think I mischaracterized Jason Stewart when I called him
the thoughtful critic? Was it thoughtful skeptic? Which one was it?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yeah, you know, skeptic is better. Let's I thought, whatever
makes me sound smarter.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
As Doug calls him, the Jason prefers thoughtful skeptic and
Jim Rome called him the benign troll.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I like that one too.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I like that one too, benign troll. What have we
got for the midway today, Jason?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Okay, so we got some drama in the w n
b A. We're not talking about matchups. We're not talking
about box scorers. I don't know who is still playing
in the w NBA playoffs, but this story peaked my
interest yesterday. There's so many layers to this, but I think, uh,
tell me if I'm misrepresenting her Manci the FISA Collier
(23:53):
is one of the best players in the league.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Sure absolutely, candidate absolutely and has her champion.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Another league the unrivaled. Correct, she took a torch to
the commissioner of the NBA. This Kathy Eggbert Engelbert, Engelbert Engelbert. Yes,
the WNBA. Some call it the w I call it
the t I want to give you guys a little
taste of what Nafisa Collier said about the WNBA's commissioner yesterday.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress
everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about
a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.
At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth. We
have the best players in the world, we have the
best fans in the world, but right now we have
the worst leadership in the world. If I didn't know
exactly what the job entailed, maybe I wouldn't feel this way.
(24:44):
But unfortunately for them, I do. We save a league
that has shown they think championship coaches and Hall of
Fame players are dispensable. And that's fine, it's professional sports.
But I will not stand quietly by and allow different
standards to be applied at the league level.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Now, then she starts getting into relaying a private conversation
that she had with the commissioner. I think it was
after last season. An example is what the commissioner told
her about Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
At unarrival this past February. I sat across from Kathy
and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues
in our league. Her response was, will only the losers
complain about the refs. I also asked how she planned
to fix the fact that players like Caitlin, Angel and Page,
who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are
making so little for their first four years. Her response was,
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Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court,
because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she
wouldn't make anything.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Mantzi, what do you think that same conversation.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
She told me players should be on their knees thanking
their lucky stars for the media rightesteal that I got them.
That's mentality driving our league from the top. We go
to battle every day to protect a shield that doesn't
value us. The league believes it succeeds despite its players,
not because of them.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Go ahead, Monsy, so.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I totally agree with you, Dan, and maybe we should
call this league the Tea because there is always tea,
and this is good tea. I don't know if we
ever really see a star in another professional sport attacking
commissioner like this.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
With specifics. And when I heard.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
This by NOFEASTA Collier, because I first saw it like
in a written statement, like a quote, and I was like, no, no, no,
I have to listen to it. I want to know
how it came off right. So I watched the video.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
While I was working at the Dodgers yesterday and I
was like, okay, girl, why not? Why not call her out?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Because I do think that the leadership of the WNBA
has failed at times, especially since Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese,
Pagebeckers has come into the have come into the league,
and they have not fixed the officiating issues. It's hard
to watch the WNBA and everybody was getting hurt, not
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just Caitlin Clark, which it was a huge blow to
the season, not just Angel Reese. There were clear issues
and I have called out the WNBA players for not
handling themselves well throughout this entire two years?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Was it with Kitlin Clark and the Angel Reese around?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And now I'm like, you know what, girls, I may
have been too harsh on you, because you're right. If
this was your leadership, if this is how the commissioner
is thinking, then how are you not going to act out.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
The leadership needed to step in from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And I'm sorry, but I agree with the FSA collier
there is.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
There is something. I don't know if ironics the right phrase,
but I just find it interesting that now is the
point where players care about the officiating in the WNBA.
That it's now at this point when the VISA collier
gets injured, And a point that's been brought up when
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we started paying attention to the WNBA last year because
of Caitlin Clark and the physical play that came with
Caitlin Clark. At that point was not a problem with
the WNBA officials at least the play didn't seem that
they had a problem with the WNBA officials at that
point in how Caitlyn Clark was officiated. Now this is
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this is not meant to be a let's bring it
all back to Caitlin Clark sort of deal. But the
FISA Collier is now trying to gather the Caitlin Clark
fans and the Angel Rees fans and the page Beckers
fans and getting them on her side. So why now
do you have a problem after you get hurt in
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the playoffs? When this for us Johnny cum Lately's has
seemingly been an issue the last two years in the WNBA.
Why wasn't this statement mentioned last year when it was happening.
That's the part that I start to question. I have
no doubt that there could be a problem with officiating
and that they're just fed up with having to pay
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fines with the league not doing anything, But I just
it feels like now it happened to me, so now
I have to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You know what, I am not upset with you pointing
that out, because you're right, Why now is there alter
your motives here? Is it because of unrivaled the league
that you are pushing? Like what exactly is it behind
you making this statement?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Now?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I totally totally can see that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
But at the same time, it came out now and
it's good, finally finally someone said it.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
But why didn't they do it last year?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Good question? I don't know, that's a big question.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, And that's like, that's the issue, and that's why
it is a little bit difficult for me to take
everything that the FISA collier is saying as legitimate when
these issues have been going on. But last year when
Caitlin Clark was getting pushed to the ground and shoved
to the ground, it was an issue. Now the FEASA
collier gets injured on a crappy foul and it's you
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gotta do something WNBA Like that to me is a
double standard in and why her words yesterday while so
many said men, you've got to do it, and I
did it. And I thought that she did a great
job in laying out her points, but I also felt
that you could see the motives behind a lot of
her points. And I know we have even more from
her saying that, But that's just my issue is why
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now is it because you're the one that was hurt,
because this has been going on for a while.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
But see, the thing is like she maybe it is
now because she's hurt because she can speak on it
for herself.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I'm just saying, like, what if this was something that
it's like it built up and maybe at first she
wasn't gonna say anything, but as time continued, maybe she
was building a case like, you're not wrong.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I'm just I don't know. I'm giving it the benefit
of a doubt, but you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just don't feel as strongly about you what it is, Samuel.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
I just want to point out that earlier in this season,
when Caitlyn was playing, I know that she had some issues.
She had some concerns about not enough calls going her
way to get to the free throw line. I know
Kelsey Plumb got you know, basically like scratch on her face.
And so it feels like now the game is bet
up even more because of like how Caitlyn Clark plays.
And so this was bubbling up to this point where
Nafisa Collier's like speaking on it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We're also talking about a time where, again Kaitlyn Clark
didn't play a majority of this season, but now it's
happened to them. So like Kelsey Plumb is speaking up
because it's happening to her because she's getting scratched in
the face. But last year when it was happening to Caitlyn.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Clark, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, nobody, they didn't care.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
She was just taking like her hazing so to speak,
you know, you're not find out.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, totally, You're not wrong, Dan, You're really not. I
guess I'm just still not upset that.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
She did it, even though it seems like, why did
you wait?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
How convenient?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Right, is what you're saying? How convenient for you? Yeah,
to want to say this now, I totally, I totally
hear you. But it's like, I think, if something was
going to change in the w n b A, maybe
this is what needed to happen, and it needed to
come from somebody, very convenient. Then now you have been,
you know, eliminated from the postseason. You're not going to
the finals as a defending champions. How convenient that you're
saying this out totally, But I do think that the
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WNBA's leadership has failed, has lacked And if this is
what needed to happen, and this.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
One needed to happen, do we have more from the
fista Collier, let's hear a little bit more.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
The league has a buzzword that they've rolled out as
talking points for the CBA as to why they can't
pay the players what we're worth. That word is sustainability.
But what's truly unsustainable is keeping a good product on
the floor. While allowing officials to lose control of games.
Fancy it every night coaches both winning and losing, pointed
out every night in pregame and postgame media get leadership,
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just issues fines and looks the other way. They ignore
the issues that everyone inside the game is begging to
be fixed. That is negligence.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Now yeah, now they're they're begging to fix it. Last
year it was, to Sam's point, a hazing and deal
with it. Hey, this is this is a woman's game,
This isn't a girls game. This is in college basketball,
and now you're getting it happening. I have no doubt,
but I just think that there are ulterior motive with
what the FISA Collier is saying.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Again, I don't disagree with that, and you're right that
like last year, it seemed like it was only Caitlyn
Clark that was getting the beat down right per se
while playing, it did seem that way, and this year
there's a little it's wild because the officiating has no
control of the situation.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Can I ask Can I ask you this? Because I'm
stuck on the point where she brings out Caitlin Angel
and Page, Well.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Like you sound, she was trying to get attention.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You were to say the young stars of this game.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
No it's not enough. You got a name, you gotta
name drop.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And so that's and again this was a four minute statement.
And so that's where like I understand, like there is
a message being sent, and there's a motive behind that message,
and why she is wanting to send and say what
she wants to say, and trying to garner all of that.
I just can't go full bore. I think I heard
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stephen A Smith today calling for Kathy Engelbert's ouster or
may be paraphrasing, but was up in arms over this
because of Engelbert's statement that she put out. And this
is what Engelbert said quote. I have the utmost respect
from the Visa Collier and for all the players in
the WNBA. Together, we have all worked tirelessly to transform
this league. My focus remains on ensuring a bright future
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for the players and the WNBA, including collaborating on how
we continue to elevate the game. I am disheartened by
how NAFISA characterized our conversations in league leadership, but even
when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the players and
to this work will not waiver end quote. She got
one thing right, say less, yes, and that's all that
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she had to say. There may not have been a
lot of substance. There may have been a word salad
for a portion of it. But when she at least
addresses Collier's statements head on, she says she's disheartened, disheartened
that there are said, yeah, there are differences, which there
obviously are because they're on opposite sides in this CBA battle.
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You know the commissioner and the owners and then you
have the players Association. But that's all Kathy Engelbert had
to say. She didn't have a four minute statement coming
out and then naming names and pointing all these people
into all these people who may support what the WNBA
is doing. By her saying less, I think it actually
says more in response to what the FISA Collier as
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opposed to, Engelbert had a four minute presser by herself
to try to shoot down everything the FISA Collier said,
because you can't shoot it down because it was so
crafted in a certain way.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Absolutely, she really didn't have much to say.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I unless she is like, no, I have I recorded
our conversation. That is not what I said, but it's like, yeah,
was it taking out of context a little bit?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
But I maybe maybe.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
But the point is like you still did not handle
the situation well last year you still did So that's
that's my whole point with like I understand it comes
off so calculated and so like what is your ultimate
goal here in a Visa Collier? Why Now I hear
all that, but I still think that the leadership dropped
the ball last year and it led into this year
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and how bad the officiating was, Like you could be
ripe and a Visa Collier is also right in what
she's calling.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Now, let me ask you this if and could we
drove down on that. It doesn't sound like you care
that the conversation was exaggerated or are mischaracterized.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Because I don't think it was that mischaracterized.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well, I mean, nobody knows, right because there was a
personal conversation, which adds to this. But like when she
says she's disheartened by howtless characterized, I think that's a
very diplomatic light way of saying I never effing said
those things.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Really, it's not.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
It's almost like like when you're hearing from your girlfriend
and she's trying to consensus build against this dude that's
done her wrong, and she gives you just like maybe
some truth, but very slant truth to make him look
like a bad guy, Okay, And then all of a sudden,
eventually you find out that those things weren't necessarily true.
(37:07):
Don't you kind of feel the trade like, as a
public if it comes out that these things were never said,
shouldn't we feel kind of like the trade that we
kind of all fell for this stephen A fell for
which I was surprised. I'm surprised he took that tact.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
So there's a couple of things here.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
If I were to find out that it was completely
made up and that's not at all what the conversation was,
then obviously I'm feeling differently about the situation. But that
that line, I'm disheartened to hear what you read?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Right to me?
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I took that as like, oh, did Kathy think she
was having a private conversation with a friend that was
not going to reveal the information to the public.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Not that she mischaracterized her. It was that, oh, you
you repeated our conversation. I thought this was going to
stay here.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, And Kathy Engelbert. If she did say what NAFISA
Collier said, she said was obviously wrong about Caitlin Clark's platform,
absolutely okay, but it also then doesn't necessarily give Collier
a pass to try to drum up all this support
by using Caitlin page Becker's and Angel Reese and their
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fans as pawns to try to support the WNBA and
the play of the WNBA players Association. Like that's like,
there's another part of it. That's why I brought up
the young Stars, like a portion of it, like she
named them, to garner support. I mean, we've all seen
the mean of the Blood and the Crip holding the
tied handkerchiefs together in support in solidarity, and I saw
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Caitlin and Angel Rees fans uniting under this topic. And
that's exactly what the FISA Collier's message was to try
to garner the support. She could have said this in
an email to Kathy Engelbert and we wouldn't have known
anything about it. This was her exit interview and she
took four minutes about this at the start of it
to say what she had to say in her role,
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And people like Stephen A. Smith are now taking this,
and honestly, I don't even know if they want to
get into the to the different levels of these comments.
It's just easy to say, Man, Collier's ticked, so are
Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees fans. Well, let's get rid
of her, like that's easy. That's that's easy to do,
And there's no guarantee that whoever would come in then
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as the WNBA commissioner would be better to work with
than Kathy Engelbert, because guess what, it's not the WNBA's
job to find a commissioner that works well with the
Players Association. It's to take care of the owners and
in the teams that form that league. So it may
be the worst leadership in the world. And I'm not
saying be careful what you wish for, but that's not
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their role. Kathy Engelbert's role isn't to have friends right
now with the Players Association and the Visa Collier's comments
shows that they don't want to be friends with Kathy Engelbert.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
So I guess, like, don't.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I don't agree that necessarily you need to fire or
get rid of of Kathy at all, but I think
calling her out because this wasn't just this year.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
This this to me.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Since last year, it has been clear that you were
not prepared for the magnitude that was Caitlin Clark coming
into the WNBA. You haven't handled it well, So why
not call you out? And I think that's just like
the most simplest way here.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
The most simplest thing though with that is though, then
why didn't you call for her last year? Sure because
you were so caught up in your feelings of trying
to keep Caitlin Clark and all this under wraps and
not have this shine of And I'm not saying it
was the FEASA Collier specifically, I'm talking about the WNBA players,
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but now that it's happened in another season where maybe
more eyes are watching it and you're seeing some of
the officiating, but it happens to her, you know. Asia
Wilson after the game last night says she supported anything
that the FISA Collier says. I would actually have more
weight in what Asa Wilson says because she wasn't hurt
at the end of the regular season. Kylie's saying this
(40:59):
to me is in the w NBA uh PA's vice president,
it is w NBA star that got injured in the
playoffs because of the officiating. That's who's speaking to me.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I guess better late than ever.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, maybe anything to add Iowa Sam, who is in
the w NBA Finals. It's the Aces and the Mercury.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Mercury bounced to the Links.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So a desert NBA Finals, Phoenix against Vegas.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Hit the duel in the desert. I like duel in
the desert for a literation.
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Speaker 4 (41:45):
I hope it's not a nauseating Wednesday for you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Dan, It's not.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
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Speaker 2 (41:51):
Better, could have been, could have been better?
Speaker 7 (41:54):
It could have been Yes, Monty, He's Dan Byer total Dottie.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I got into a little fender bender before the show.
I'm sorry, but that's all I'm gonna say about it.
That is and advised by my attorneys, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
His attorney, and Dan, I think you have an argument here.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I will see, We'll see.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
I think he does.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'll tell you who doesn't have an argument.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
A J.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Brown. You know who else doesn't have an argument? Colin Cowherd, Monty,
I'm telling you this is this is the there's this
is not meant to be fill in hosts on Superstar,
Top of the Line, Hall of Fame, Talent Crime. But
Colin Cowherd said something earlier today on The Herd, a
(42:41):
disagreement that he and Jason McIntyre had between each other.
Doug has a segment that in his podcast, and we've
had it on the show before. It's called what does
the Fox say? We play a little intro and it
said it sounds like this. And now, so Colin Coward
said something about AJ Brown that just blew my mind
(43:02):
today after AJ Brown sent a cryptic tweet after the
Eagles win. After the Eagles win on Sunday against the Buccaneers,
nine targets, two receptions, seven yards. That was the stat
line for AJ Brown. This is Collins take on AJ
Brown in his future in Philadelphia. J McK and I
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had a disagreement on this.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor.
In most careers, you got about twenty five years of
prime and you can work to your seventies. You can't
as a pro football player. And so AJ Brown and
I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy.
I do think if you went to Kobe and said,
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lit'sten you get six shots a game, Kobe would have
been like, peace out, I'm going to go somewhere else.
AJ Brown gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills
tight end. He's got money and he's got a trophy.
His legacy is on the line. He's not necessary. They
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try to target him nine target seven yards most of
the time. He's just not And I think if I
was AJ Brown, this sounds selfish, but I think pro
athletes get cornered into well it's about winning games. Well,
that's part of it, and it's it's transformational money, and
there's legacies involved. And my take is if I was
AJ Brown, I'd go to Philadelphia. I'd say quietly, I'm
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not gonna screw the market up. I'm not gonna do
a mellow with the Nuggets to the Knicks. I don't
want to be here, make a deal. I think AJ
Brown has a right to leave. I am defending him
not staying with a better organization.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Am I wrong? Nine trillion percent? I don't know if
it goes up to nine trillion but he is nine
trillion percent wrong. When in sports have we ever said,
you know what, screw the winning?
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Never? Not once. Yeah, it is about no, it's only
about winning. That is the whole point, Colin, what are
you talking about? Also?
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Also, also, since when is the legacy of AJ Brown
something to compare to the legacy of Kobe Bryant?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Never what?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Not even sort of?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
And actually I think if you did tell Kobe, hey,
you can only take six shots, but you're gonna win,
I think you'd be like, well, damn, because Kobe did
care about winning.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Kobe. Yeah, Kobe would say. Kobe is famous for saying,
you'd never go like one of twelve, he'd go one
of twenty. You just keep shooting. However, However, to your
point about Team USA and winning a gold medal, Kobe
had his role, took it upon himself as the leader,
and that was his role. Exactly to your point, AJ
Brown is not Kobe Bryant. AJ Brown on the list
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of important Philadelphia Eagles, it may not be top five.
And the issue to me is it continues to be
AJ Brown.
Speaker 10 (45:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
The Philadelphia Eagles Playkate this sort of activity, so they're
on the hook for it, Manzie. Why would they get
rid of AJ Brown when they're the ones who have
been actually encouraging this by giving him a three year,
ninety six million dollar deal after he was reading a
book on the sidelines that was last year, but after
he sulked after only getting three catches in a playoff
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win against the Giants. AJ Brown has always been about
AJ Brown and at no point has the Philadelphia Eagle's
success ever depended upon AJ Brown. And it's just crazy
for me to hear Colin say AJ Brown, who now
has a Super Bowl ring, should go and get his
When what about back to back? What about trying to
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be a great wide receiver in that way? What about
coming up big in a playoff game? That's what's ahead
for AJ Brown? Him going having fifteen hundred yards somewhere
else is not going to change the legacy of AJ Brown.
He's not going into the Hall of Fame. None of
that is true. The fantasy world that Colin thinks could
be ahead for AJ Brown doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, I really don't unders stand what Colin is defending. Like, Okay,
let him leave. I think the Eagles would be like,
all right, bye, thank you, take take your stuff make sure.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
By and then the Eagles would continue and nothing would change.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know, you know who's got the you know who's
got the most probably bone to pick with all of this,
because you're right, nothing has nothing has changed with the
Eagles because they again they encourage this sort of behavior.
But how do you feel if you're Jalen Hurts that
here's this guy. We criticize Jalen Hurts enough enough with
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despite the success that he has had, right, nine targets
in two catches for seven yards, we can look at
that and say, obviously they're just not on the same page.
When he gets three catches in a playoff game against
the Giants for only forty some yards and he's not happy,
we understand that's not a great game, but again, you
won the game. But these also, subliminally Manzi are shots
(47:59):
at Jalen Hurts, like why aren't they on the same page.
You've been together now for multiple seasons and you can't
figure out a rhythm or a rapport like Matthew Stafford
and Poukin Nakua would not have a nine target, two
reception game, like it's just not going to happen. And
every time aj Brown does this. It is an indirect
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shot at Jalen Hurts. So if you're the Philadelphia Eagles,
if AJ Brown wants to do quiet stuff and trade them,
that's fine. Don't trade them so he can get his numbers.
Trade them so he stops undermining your quarterback. That would
be the only reason that I would say to get
rid of AJ Brown, who right now hasn't necessarily been
the factor that the Eagles would have hoped when they
gave him a ninety six million dollar contract.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
You know, I actually never thought of it that way,
that he was undermining Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
And you make excellent points. You're right, that is probably
what he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
But I never thought of it that way because even
though Jalen Hurts gets criticized enough, you know what he does,
he does what he's asked when he needs to do it.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
So yeah, like he.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
May not throw the ball, but I've seen him damn
take you down the field throwing the ball when he
needs to do I've seen him do it a couple
damn times. So it's like, it's not it's not Jalen Hurts.
Maybe it's you AJ Brown because he him and Dallas
Goddard seem to connect whenever he needs to.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Whenever, whenever he needs to, Dallas Goddard is there for him.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
So it's just kind of like, yeah, but the Eagles
game isn't always to throw the ball because you have
Jalen Earts and you have Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
But when he needs to get you downfield, throw the ball.
He has been doing that.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
They're four, and oh they're a weird four and oh, yes,
they completely are. I wonder like if they if they
were functional not dysfunctional, how dominant they would be this
this team could be right. I mean, this is hours
after beating the Buccaneers in a road game, where again
he had two catches for seven yards on the nine targets.
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If you're not welcomed, not listen to quietly withdraw, don't
make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.
That's that's what he posted. Posting a tweet like that
is the exact opposite of quietly withdrawing, not making a scene.
And that's not shrugging your shoulders and going on your way.
You are putting up a stink. The tweet is still
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up there four point two million views for some reason,
twelve thousand people liked it. I have no idea what's
wrong with those twelve thousand people in Gallen Coward. But
man A J. Brown just continues, there's the Eagles keep
on winning it, so there's no like why it can
be like, see, look at what he torpedoed.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
But I think you also hit on something else that
maybe he realizes, like you are not even a top
five Eagle, Like he just wants to be talked about.
He wants to be the center of attention. He wants
to be the guy. And you are on a team that, yeah,
you're not talked about and there's still success despite you
and your antics.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I don't know how this works. You're you're right, like
they somehow make this work. Jalen Hurts must have the
thickest skin and quarterback in the NFL, because there's just that.
It's bad enough to hear the outside noise from from
everybody else, but now they have to deal with it
within your locker room after you've won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
How close do you think they're sitting next to each
other in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
But well, you know what he does read a book
on the sidelines, like that's look at that, Look at
that growth, look at that? That's that wasn't the same
page I've never ever seen. I've seen more hot dogs
than books on sidelines of NFL games, of guys eating
hot dogs and blowout games. Right, yes, there's there's. The
Seahawks actually did it way back in the day as well,
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like they were playing a preseason game against the forty
nine ers. I think they were eating hot dogs. I've
seen more tubed meat on the sidelines than I have novels.
But last year, when when aj Brown sits on the
bench and brings out a book, we have people defending
look at this growth, look at this mental strength. There
wasn't a bookmark in the book. Okay, there wasn't. Like
(51:56):
I left off on page two sixty eight, there was
none of that.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
How it's terrible reading while your team is playing.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
How is that growth? I don't understand. I thought the
growth would be being.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
There cheering your teammates on being a good buddy when
they come on off the field.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Come on, man, not sitting there?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, growth was in chapter twenty eight, which he hadn't
yet gotten to in that book that he was reading.
But hey, great job by aj Browns to read a
book on the sidelines.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Happy Wednesday to you and yours who hump day. You
could have a lot of different meetings for a Wednesday
for some of us who are here on Sunday, like yourself, Well,
it's not even your hump Day because you are here. Oh,
I know Saturday and Sunday, but now you're starting the week.
It's kind of a hump day for me. We're just
(00:40):
happy it's Wednesday. We made it to Wednesday. We're a
day away from Week five in the NFL and more.
College football and baseball has been able to soothe our
senses for at least a few days in these afternoons
with the wild card games. But I'm telling you, Monci,
not everything is right with these best of three series.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
I don't disagree with you there, Dan, could we have
been more interested in the games happening on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I'll I think there's a lot to that and what's
going on with this landscape of Major League Baseball right now,
because I think it's neat. I think it's great when
you're at work. Maybe you're in Cleveland, maybe you're in Detroit.
Maybe you're a Tigers or Guardians fan, Cubs and Padres
about to get underway from Wrigley in San Diego. Maybe
(01:28):
not a lot of work is getting done today, and
it's great to have meaningful baseball during the day. I
understand all of that. I get all of that, but
I'm just wondering on how much stock is being put
into these best of three series. You're a Dodgers fan.
The Dodgers welcome the Reds to town last night in
(01:48):
Game one of a series where the Dodgers have had
the Reds number all season long, and it happened again
last night. Now, there may have been some hairy instances,
but by and large, the Dodgers were basic cruise control
for much of the night. You're at Dodger Stadium. I
don't know how many times a week, but you're there
every single week of the season and every single week
(02:09):
of the offseason. Was there any buzz in advance of
last night's Wildcards start against the Reds.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
No, not a lot. It was not a sold out game.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
You could have still literally walked up to the stadium
to the box office and bought tickets. In fact, I
think you could have gotten cheaper tickets from third party
of season ticket holders who did not seem to care
necessarily about playing the Cincinnati Reds in a Wildcard series
best of three in LA. And it has more to
do with a couple things. As a Dodger fan, we've
(02:41):
done this before, we've been here. Yes, a lot like
going to the postseason. We're very lucky fan base. We've
go that's our norm is to go to the postseason.
And I do think if the Mets would have clinched,
it would have been different. I do think that. I
think there's a little bit more bad blood but with
the Reds, like, oh the Reds are and how great
is that? I love Kellie Dill, Yes, I love Ellie
(03:03):
de Lacruz. You know, Hunter Green goes back to where
his roots are from first playoff game in LA. That's
tough for anybody. He gets quickly lit up lead off
home run from Sho Heyo Tani settles in, but Blake's
now Like you said in Cruise Control, there was a
moment where the yeah, yeah, yeah, we were at the
edge of our seats because our poopin likes to do
that to us. But luckily we ended up coming out
(03:26):
with the win. But it wasn't a sold out game.
Even our tours were not that busy, Like it was
such a calm day for a quote unquote postseason October baseball.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Not really, but baseball?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Does that make a bad baseball fan? Like, I'm not
saying that the Dodgers are baseball fans. Are they spoiled fans?
Speaker 4 (03:48):
How can I say that we're not spoiled? Of course
we are. Of course we are. And it's like, does
that make us a bad fan?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I don't know, but maybe it's just or is it
that the wild Card series extending this way was unnecessary?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I almost feel that the Dodgers because and I don't
think it's just a Dodger thing. I think it's with
the Atlanta Braves in the nineties and two thousands, when
the playoffs weren't as even a substantial as they are nowadays.
I think we criticized Braves fans in the past of
not showing up because they were so used to winning
(04:25):
the division title and so used to playing divisional playoff
games when all that mattered were league championship series and
World Series. It's kind of like the Patriots in the
AFC East. You would not buy an AFC East champion
shirt in the Tom Brady era because it was such
a given. Now, if you were the Jets or the
(04:48):
Dolphins or during that time, the Bills, absolutely it was
a rarity. You would wear it twice a week if
you could. I would have worn it three times a
week at school Monday, Wednesday and Friday. May not even
even have watched because I wouldn't want the ink to
wear off of it.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Mariners fans, Yes.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's exactly, Yes, exactly that they are. They are living
the high and they get that.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Absolutely so funny that you say that, because my dad
asked me to buy I'm a divisional hat and I said, why.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Do you make them? Do they make them? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
No, no, no they do. But my dad I said,
why bah, why?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
OK?
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You have last years and I think I gave you
the year before. Like I couldn't believe he asked me
for that.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
He's crazy they should just put like a rotational number,
you know that you change at the end, right, right.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
That would be funnier and more correct. Jesus, change it.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Take the year each night, you could be like what
division championshoild be? You gonna rock? I'm gonna go twenty
twenty two. So then you just adjust the number on
the half.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I love that. Hold on, jan write that down. You're
onto something. That's a great idea.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You could do it. I mean, like truly, And that's
that's the spoiled nature of it. Doesn't make them a
bad fan. It's just there are bigger fish to fry
correct and I think that's what's kind of starting to
get at what we saw last night. Jason Stewart, executive
producer of the show, noted Dodger fan thoughtful critic, as
we allude to him when Doug is out. But you
(06:09):
were critic co of the Dodgers fans last night, not
of the not showing up to Monzie's point where you
could get cheaper tickets on the secondary market than just
walking up to the box office. You were more critical
of what was happening on the back end of last
night's game.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Yeah, I mean if You're a Dodger fan. You know
the volatility of our bullpen. You've seen it all year,
So it just struck me as strange. And if the
crowd wasn't a sold out, that's fine, but the people
that were there had been leaving before the seventh inning,
and I just had to look this up to make
sure I got it right. The Reds entered the eighth
(06:45):
inning down ten to two. They got the tying run
on deck at some point due to the clumsy nature
of our bullpen, and I'm thinking, if I've paid money
to go see a playoff game, why would I leave.
It's almost like a you have to be counterintuitive as
a Dodger fan who wants to beat the traffic can
be like the worst part of our team is the bullpen.
(07:06):
The drama might be right around the corner. It almost
forces you to stick around and make sure. So I
just thought it was a weird, a weird thing to see.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I think that's the bigger picture of it. Because
Jason called it a playoff game, it is a playoff
game where in the postseason, I don't think everyone looks
at it like that. I'm looking at Wrigley right now.
I don't see an empty seat at Cubbs have made
it to the postseason for the first time since twenty twenty.
It's also a thing to do. It's Wrigley Field Day
(07:34):
Baseball and Monci and you can win this series today,
So there's a reason to show up. And this is
why I'm not blaming Dodger fans and I'm not calling
Dodger fans spoiled because I look at what's happening in
Cleveland right now, and Breeze going to have our update
on what's happening between the Tigers and Guardians. But it's
bottom of the sixth inning, one to one. Detroit is
(07:57):
up one to zero in the series. The story of
the last month at Major League Baseball has been the
collapse of the Tigers and the rise of the Guardians.
Believe Land was the name that was brought back because
of what Cleveland was doing. And yesterday I saw on
social media various shots of not one not to but
(08:18):
a variety of empty seats in the lower bowl and
a variety of empty seats in the upper deck. Yes,
he was going to get to variety if Lebron kept
on talking. There was so many empty seats now you're
saying how many empty seats were they were there. I
can't give you an exact number, but I can't tell
(08:39):
you this that the Guardians game yesterday against the Tigers
drew twenty six and sixty eight fans. That isn't capacity, right.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah, that sounds low.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
What is capacity the last week? And I'll get to
that number in just a second.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Last week the Tigers and Guardians played as series for
the division, right and they were battling for their playoff lives.
Every single one of those three games drew higher than
Game one of the wild card series yesterday.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Well, damn, that's part of the problem. Why are they
seeing each other?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
We just saw how many games between the I was
gonna say the Cavalieres, the Guardians and the Tigers. If
you were a Guardians fan, like you said, this was
the most interesting story the last month of baseball. At
one point, fifteen games, fifteen and a half games out
(09:41):
right here they are winning the division. If you were
a Guardians fan, you probably spent your money this past homestand,
right you, you spent your money this past homestand and
now the people are here like great, So I paid
money to watch this team again.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
That's this isn't I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
This is this is why you can't fool baseball fans. Yes,
is because they understand, They understand what is happening and
what is at stake. Last week, the game against the Tigers,
of them making or not making the postseason was much
more valuable. It completed their journey, this run that they
were on, That's what it was a part of. Now
(10:22):
I understand the game was in the daytime yesterday, the
three games against the Tigers were in the evening. But
I just don't know how you could ever say that
a regular season game would draw more than a playoff game.
And that is what we have here. And the Cubs
today can clinch. The Yankees cannot clinch. If you have
(10:45):
a Yankees ticket tonight at Yankee Stadium, I don't know
if you would why you would use the ticket, Manzi,
because if you were to pay money for that ticket,
you are either seeing your team live another day to
Game three, which is the much more valuable ticket the
next day, or you're watching them lose and have their
season end. There's just not as much value for all
(11:09):
of these teams. Now. The Mariners different. I actually thought
it was going to be different with Cleveland, Yeah, but
it wasn't. Maybe the Cubs, maybe the Mariners, who we
don't know because they have their buy And I think
the best of five series is different than the best
of three. But for Major League Baseball to expand these
playoffs and to have this best of three series, one
(11:30):
of the biggest things that I think is a detriment
to seeing it is fans know what these series are.
These maybe aren't the real playoffs. These are the playoffs
to get you into the playoffs. The stretcher under the
regular season, I think meant more to some of these
teams and some of these fans than these actual best
of three series going on right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I love that line, Dan that you can't fool baseball
fans because to this Yankee Red Sox series, if you
are a fan of either teammates and the Yankees, you're
probably expecting to go beyond you're expecting I know you're
down right now, but you're probably expecting to go beyond
the wildcard, right And so Yankee fans are like, I
see the Red Sox.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
All the damn time, all the damn time.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
I don't know how to fix the wildcard situation in
baseball by adding these wildcards. But I hate that Detroit
and Cleveland are playing against each other, and I hate
that the Red Sox and the Yankees are playing against
each other.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
I don't know how to fix it, but they shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
You shouldn't see a division rival in the wildcard when
you already see them so many times throughout the regular season.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
The drawback is is somebody's going to get an unfair
draw then because you're trying to.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
The life is not fair?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, then what what Here's.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I don't have the solution. I'm just telling you I
don't mind it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, I actually, and I'm totally fine with that. Like
ninety nine percent of the time you're saying, like, okay,
you have a problem, tell me the better solution. I
don't know what. I don't know, because what about if
you had three teams from the division all make the
wild card, Well.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Then somebody flips the coin and you're right.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So you're gonna be somewhere like the Red Sox Orioles
and Yankees were all totally light. Somebody's gonna have to
play somebody.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Somebody is, but at least like that's that seems like
an even you know, more crazier situation. But this one,
this happens like two years ago. Dodgers should not have
played the Podgers in the wild Guard series. Like I,
I just don't like it, and I don't know the solution,
but somebody can think of something.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Do you think it would make it more makes it
more interesting? You just said that if the Mets and
Dodgers played that it would have been a more interesting
I think.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
So, yes, because I think there's a little bit more
bad blood. Also, the Mets have a guy what's his name?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
What's his name? On Soto Dan that guy also what's
his other name?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Pete Alonzo that literally said remember in the clubhouse after
they lost, I'm out. I'm opting out of my contract
because I'm over this in Francisco and there's just more
interesting players. The Reds are just like a young, fun team,
Like they're good and they're young, and they're exciting to watch,
especially Elie de la Cruz. But the names don't draw
you in yet because it's the Reds and nobody expected
(14:06):
them to be here.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
The divisional series will I think will be sold out,
especially in the markets like Seattle, yep, like Milwaukee, like Toronto.
I think that you're going to see so sgnificant. Yeah
about it. I'm gonna give you a little You think
it's going to be like that, They've had success but but.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Still underwhelming the last closest if they're.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Playing the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yes, yes, then it'll be And that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, yes, so that that will be the case. Do
you think there's a big problem Jason, Like, do you
do you find the Dodgers fans leaving early outside of
the bullpen? In issue? Do you find Cleveland not drawing
as much as they did during the regular season in issue?
In baseball?
Speaker 5 (14:47):
Oh? I do?
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I think there also is a socioeconomic angle to this.
I think in the Detroit, Cleveland, these city, these kind
of Midwest cities, it's kind of rough. Who call her,
I guess you would call it have been struck in
kind of economic bad times. Maybe we're holding them under
a different kind of barometer here because you know that
Chicago's gonna be full, La should be full, New York
(15:09):
should be full. There are a lot of people. There
are a lot of people make a lot of money. I
do think that the solution that Manzi's my searching for
is this is I also, and I think a lot
of people hate the fact that there are division opponents
in that wild card round. I don't think it's fair
to either team that you're going to play a team
for a three game series that you've already seen eighteen times.
(15:32):
I think that it's unfair to everybody, and the fan
base is included. So you just say, Bajor League Baseball
says you can't play your own division in the first round,
and lesser's extenuating circumstances and three teams get in. How
often do that does that happen? And so in this case,
what the Tigers would have played the Yankees and the
(15:53):
Red Sox would have played the Guardian, Right. I don't
know if that would affect the box office for Cleveland
if that's a different topic, But I think there is
a solution that Baseball could throw out there with just
certain caveats.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
There's also so you'd rather see if you're a Yankees
a Red Sox fan, those teams play in the divisional
series or the league championship series. Right, There's there's there's
no there's no argument about that, but there's also a
point with Major League Baseball that says, we'll take what
we can get because there's no guarantee that the Yankees
and Red Sox would win their series, and so now
we're missing out. We just missed out on possibly three
(16:29):
games of Yankees Red Sox because we have zero because
one of the teams didn't win or neither of the
teams won. In looking for that, I understand what you're
talking about in fairness for these teams, But then it's
unfair for a higher seeded team, say the division winner,
to have to play against a better wild card team
just because you didn't want to, you.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Know, I mean, you still go, you still get your
home field advantage.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So if you're the so so, the Guardians and Tigers,
this would this would be the scenario that we laid out.
The Guardians would have played exactly exactly, and the Tigers
would have hosted the Yankees.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
The Yankees would have hosted the Tigers, and the Tigers
are still on the road, so it doesn't change much
for them.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Is that fair to Cleveland? You think that they would
rather face the Red Sox than the team that they've
played all season long? I do.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I do, especially because of their particular schedule that ended
playing against each other, Like wouldn't you want a break
from that?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
That's how the cookie crumbles, Like matches in the NFL
Week eighteen, Week seventeen that you got to play him
in the wild card the next drink.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Sure, yeah, yeah, life is on fire.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I just think that you just pocket the matchup that
you can again, because there's no guarantee the best series
for clevel. I mean, the Yankees are kind of the
Yankees and Dodgers are maybe they have this this I
was going to say, a bulletproof sort of thing where
it's it's not going to be a bad series when
the Yankees come to town. It's not going to be
a bad is when the Dodgers come to town. Like
(18:01):
we're talking about the Phillies. No disrespect to the Reds,
but that's you know, a scenario here. But how many
how many opponents of the Guardians can you have that
you would think like, all right, the crowd's really going
to show up like I thought it would be the Tigers,
but apparently it's not. By the way, Progressive Field, thirty
four thousand, eight hundred and thirty is the capacity, and
(18:22):
so they got twenty six that eight thousand empty seats
or non sold tickets in yesterday's game. I'm just I'm
just saying, like, if you were to, if you were
to mess everything up for the sake of just trying
to protect certain teams, that's not necessarily fair to the
other teams. And then it's not necessarily beneficial to some
(18:43):
of those other teams as well. So you got to
kind of stick with the standings.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
I mean, maybe it was just a wrong decision to extend.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Play better Dodgers, play better Dodgers, get a buye and
then we're not going to go.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
I don't know if that's any better.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, I keep done.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
And you know, and then not worry about Can I
speak to one thing that you said that I hadn't
even thought about? If you have a Yankees ticket today
or are you going? The brilliance in that question is like,
do you want to go to a game where you're
gonna lose to your arch enemy? The chance of losing
to your arch enemy and how bad you're going to feel?
(19:20):
And Yankee fans tend to be pessimistic. They tend to
be what's a thoughtful whatever I'm called that would be
a dreadful experience to go to that game to see
them lose tonight to the Red Sox specifically.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And if you were to go tonight, why wouldn't you
just go tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Right? You would wait for a game.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Three absolutely, So if you have to get off of
work early, because it's what six o'clock Eastern time, the
first pitch starts, you make your plans, you would do
it for tomorrow absolutely, because you would also say, well,
if they don't play tomorrow, then at least I didn't
go there and watch them lose. So that's the other
portion this when you have the three straight home games,
which I think is fine. I'm actually I'm fine with that.
(20:04):
I think it also gives the division winner at least
an advantage, totally totally in that in that series, but
there's just not a lot of value when you drop
game one to buy a game two.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
If we were to do what you know, Jason and
I want of making it that you cannot play a
division team for the wild Card, then that would put
more emphasis on winning the division and having the home field,
because I feel like now because of this edition of
the wild Cards, like some teams are like Hey, it's fine.
If we don't want the division, we'll just get in
there anyway. Yeah, more emphasis on winning the division.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You just said it that the Dodgers you weren't good
with the buye, so maybe they're like, hey, let's play
some baseball and leading into the best of five. If
you're playing against the Phillies who are rested, and I.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Know you don't want to like plan like that, be like, no,
we should try. We should lose lose this game, so
we don't. I know you don't want to do that,
but I just rest versus rust is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
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it when people call the w NBA the W. It
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Speaker 7 (21:26):
What about the m NBA here, you gom, let's just
call it yes, No, it's just WNBA, Like they're trying
to sound cool.
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They're trying to sound a hit by calling it the W.
Here's my suggestion. Okay, instead of calling it the W,
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Speaker 4 (22:25):
Super easy.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
It's funny because you heard Brie say that the Browns
have made a change at quarterback, something we're going to
get to in about twenty minutes or so. The change
at quarterback is Dylan Gabriel in for Joe Flacco. I
did not mention should or Sanders, but somehow, some way,
Should door Sanders has also become a part of the
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conversation of that comes up in about twenty five minutes.
But you know it's the middle of the show, in
the middle of the week. That means it's not getting
mind you, it's time for stuck.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
Midway.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
I think I mischaracterized Jason Stewart when I called him
the thoughtful critic? Was it thoughtful skeptic? Which one was it?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Yeah, you know, skeptic is better. Let's I thought, whatever
makes me sound smarter.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
As Doug calls him, the Jason prefers thoughtful skeptic and
Jim Rome called him the benign troll.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I like that one too.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I like that one too, benign troll. What have we
got for the midway today, Jason?
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Okay, so we got some drama in the w n
b A. We're not talking about matchups. We're not talking
about box scorers. I don't know who is still playing
in the w NBA playoffs, but this story peaked my
interest yesterday. There's so many layers to this, but I think, uh,
tell me if I'm misrepresenting her Manci the FISA Collier
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is one of the best players in the league.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Sure absolutely, candidate absolutely and has her champion.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
Another league the unrivaled. Correct, she took a torch to
the commissioner of the NBA. This Kathy Eggbert Engelbert, Engelbert Engelbert. Yes,
the WNBA. Some call it the w I call it
the t I want to give you guys a little
taste of what Nafisa Collier said about the WNBA's commissioner yesterday.
Speaker 8 (24:22):
Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress
everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about
a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.
At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth. We
have the best players in the world, we have the
best fans in the world, but right now we have
the worst leadership in the world. If I didn't know
exactly what the job entailed, maybe I wouldn't feel this way.
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But unfortunately for them, I do. We save a league
that has shown they think championship coaches and Hall of
Fame players are dispensable. And that's fine, it's professional sports.
But I will not stand quietly by and allow different
standards to be applied at the league level.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Now, then she starts getting into relaying a private conversation
that she had with the commissioner. I think it was
after last season. An example is what the commissioner told
her about Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 8 (25:09):
At unarrival this past February. I sat across from Kathy
and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues
in our league. Her response was, will only the losers
complain about the refs. I also asked how she planned
to fix the fact that players like Caitlin, Angel and Page,
who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are
making so little for their first four years. Her response was,
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Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court,
because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she
wouldn't make anything.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Mantzi, what do you think that same conversation.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
She told me players should be on their knees thanking
their lucky stars for the media rightesteal that I got them.
That's mentality driving our league from the top. We go
to battle every day to protect a shield that doesn't
value us. The league believes it succeeds despite its players,
not because of them.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Go ahead, Monsy, so.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
I totally agree with you, Dan, and maybe we should
call this league the Tea because there is always tea,
and this is good tea. I don't know if we
ever really see a star in another professional sport attacking
commissioner like this.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
With specifics. And when I heard.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
This by NOFEASTA Collier, because I first saw it like
in a written statement, like a quote, and I was like, no, no, no,
I have to listen to it. I want to know
how it came off right. So I watched the video.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
While I was working at the Dodgers yesterday and I
was like, okay, girl, why not? Why not call her out?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Because I do think that the leadership of the WNBA
has failed at times, especially since Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese,
Pagebeckers has come into the have come into the league,
and they have not fixed the officiating issues. It's hard
to watch the WNBA and everybody was getting hurt, not
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just Caitlin Clark, which it was a huge blow to
the season, not just Angel Reese. There were clear issues
and I have called out the WNBA players for not
handling themselves well throughout this entire two years?
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Was it with Kitlin Clark and the Angel Reese around?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And now I'm like, you know what, girls, I may
have been too harsh on you, because you're right. If
this was your leadership, if this is how the commissioner
is thinking, then how are you not going to act out.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
The leadership needed to step in from the beginning.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And I'm sorry, but I agree with the FSA collier
there is.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
There is something. I don't know if ironics the right phrase,
but I just find it interesting that now is the
point where players care about the officiating in the WNBA.
That it's now at this point when the VISA collier
gets injured, And a point that's been brought up when
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we started paying attention to the WNBA last year because
of Caitlin Clark and the physical play that came with
Caitlin Clark. At that point was not a problem with
the WNBA officials at least the play didn't seem that
they had a problem with the WNBA officials at that
point in how Caitlyn Clark was officiated. Now this is
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this is not meant to be a let's bring it
all back to Caitlin Clark sort of deal. But the
FISA Collier is now trying to gather the Caitlin Clark
fans and the Angel Rees fans and the page Beckers
fans and getting them on her side. So why now
do you have a problem after you get hurt in
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the playoffs? When this for us Johnny cum Lately's has
seemingly been an issue the last two years in the WNBA.
Why wasn't this statement mentioned last year when it was happening.
That's the part that I start to question. I have
no doubt that there could be a problem with officiating
and that they're just fed up with having to pay
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fines with the league not doing anything, But I just
it feels like now it happened to me, so now
I have to deal with it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
You know what, I am not upset with you pointing
that out, because you're right, Why now is there alter
your motives here? Is it because of unrivaled the league
that you are pushing? Like what exactly is it behind
you making this statement?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Now?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
I totally totally can see that.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
But at the same time, it came out now and
it's good, finally finally someone said it.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
But why didn't they do it last year?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
Good question? I don't know, that's a big question.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, And that's like, that's the issue, and that's why
it is a little bit difficult for me to take
everything that the FISA collier is saying as legitimate when
these issues have been going on. But last year when
Caitlin Clark was getting pushed to the ground and shoved
to the ground, it was an issue. Now the FEASA
collier gets injured on a crappy foul and it's you
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gotta do something WNBA Like that to me is a
double standard in and why her words yesterday while so
many said men, you've got to do it, and I
did it. And I thought that she did a great
job in laying out her points, but I also felt
that you could see the motives behind a lot of
her points. And I know we have even more from
her saying that, But that's just my issue is why
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now is it because you're the one that was hurt,
because this has been going on for a while.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
But see, the thing is like she maybe it is
now because she's hurt because she can speak on it
for herself.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
I'm just saying, like, what if this was something that
it's like it built up and maybe at first she
wasn't gonna say anything, but as time continued, maybe she
was building a case like, you're not wrong.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
I'm just I don't know. I'm giving it the benefit
of a doubt, but you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
I just don't feel as strongly about you what it is, Samuel.
Speaker 9 (30:44):
I just want to point out that earlier in this season,
when Caitlyn was playing, I know that she had some issues.
She had some concerns about not enough calls going her
way to get to the free throw line. I know
Kelsey Plumb got you know, basically like scratch on her face.
And so it feels like now the game is bet
up even more because of like how Caitlyn Clark plays.
And so this was bubbling up to this point where
Nafisa Collier's like speaking on it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
We're also talking about a time where, again Kaitlyn Clark
didn't play a majority of this season, but now it's
happened to them. So like Kelsey Plumb is speaking up
because it's happening to her because she's getting scratched in
the face. But last year when it was happening to Caitlyn.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Clark, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah, nobody, they didn't care.
Speaker 9 (31:26):
She was just taking like her hazing so to speak,
you know, you're not find out.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, totally, You're not wrong, Dan, You're really not. I
guess I'm just still not upset that.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
She did it, even though it seems like, why did
you wait?
Speaker 4 (31:38):
How convenient?
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Right, is what you're saying? How convenient for you? Yeah,
to want to say this now, I totally, I totally
hear you. But it's like, I think, if something was
going to change in the w n b A, maybe
this is what needed to happen, and it needed to
come from somebody, very convenient. Then now you have been,
you know, eliminated from the postseason. You're not going to
the finals as a defending champions. How convenient that you're
saying this out totally, But I do think that the
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WNBA's leadership has failed, has lacked And if this is
what needed to happen, and this.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
One needed to happen, do we have more from the
fista Collier, let's hear a little bit more.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
The league has a buzzword that they've rolled out as
talking points for the CBA as to why they can't
pay the players what we're worth. That word is sustainability.
But what's truly unsustainable is keeping a good product on
the floor. While allowing officials to lose control of games.
Fancy it every night coaches both winning and losing, pointed
out every night in pregame and postgame media get leadership,
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just issues fines and looks the other way. They ignore
the issues that everyone inside the game is begging to
be fixed. That is negligence.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Now yeah, now they're they're begging to fix it. Last
year it was, to Sam's point, a hazing and deal
with it. Hey, this is this is a woman's game,
This isn't a girls game. This is in college basketball,
and now you're getting it happening. I have no doubt,
but I just think that there are ulterior motive with
what the FISA Collier is saying.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Again, I don't disagree with that, and you're right that
like last year, it seemed like it was only Caitlyn
Clark that was getting the beat down right per se
while playing, it did seem that way, and this year
there's a little it's wild because the officiating has no
control of the situation.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Can I ask Can I ask you this? Because I'm
stuck on the point where she brings out Caitlin Angel
and Page, Well.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
Like you sound, she was trying to get attention.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
You were to say the young stars of this game.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
No it's not enough. You got a name, you gotta
name drop.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
And so that's and again this was a four minute statement.
And so that's where like I understand, like there is
a message being sent, and there's a motive behind that message,
and why she is wanting to send and say what
she wants to say, and trying to garner all of that.
I just can't go full bore. I think I heard
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stephen A Smith today calling for Kathy Engelbert's ouster or
may be paraphrasing, but was up in arms over this
because of Engelbert's statement that she put out. And this
is what Engelbert said quote. I have the utmost respect
from the Visa Collier and for all the players in
the WNBA. Together, we have all worked tirelessly to transform
this league. My focus remains on ensuring a bright future
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for the players and the WNBA, including collaborating on how
we continue to elevate the game. I am disheartened by
how NAFISA characterized our conversations in league leadership, but even
when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the players and
to this work will not waiver end quote. She got
one thing right, say less, yes, and that's all that
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she had to say. There may not have been a
lot of substance. There may have been a word salad
for a portion of it. But when she at least
addresses Collier's statements head on, she says she's disheartened, disheartened
that there are said, yeah, there are differences, which there
obviously are because they're on opposite sides in this CBA battle.
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You know the commissioner and the owners and then you
have the players Association. But that's all Kathy Engelbert had
to say. She didn't have a four minute statement coming
out and then naming names and pointing all these people
into all these people who may support what the WNBA
is doing. By her saying less, I think it actually
says more in response to what the FISA Collier as
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opposed to, Engelbert had a four minute presser by herself
to try to shoot down everything the FISA Collier said,
because you can't shoot it down because it was so
crafted in a certain way.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Absolutely, she really didn't have much to say.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
I unless she is like, no, I have I recorded
our conversation. That is not what I said, but it's like, yeah,
was it taking out of context a little bit?
Speaker 4 (35:51):
But I maybe maybe.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
But the point is like you still did not handle
the situation well last year you still did So that's
that's my whole point with like I understand it comes
off so calculated and so like what is your ultimate
goal here in a Visa Collier? Why Now I hear
all that, but I still think that the leadership dropped
the ball last year and it led into this year
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and how bad the officiating was, Like you could be
ripe and a Visa Collier is also right in what
she's calling.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
Now, let me ask you this if and could we
drove down on that. It doesn't sound like you care
that the conversation was exaggerated or are mischaracterized.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Because I don't think it was that mischaracterized.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Well, I mean, nobody knows, right because there was a
personal conversation, which adds to this. But like when she
says she's disheartened by howtless characterized, I think that's a
very diplomatic light way of saying I never effing said
those things.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Really, it's not.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
It's almost like like when you're hearing from your girlfriend
and she's trying to consensus build against this dude that's
done her wrong, and she gives you just like maybe
some truth, but very slant truth to make him look
like a bad guy, Okay, And then all of a sudden,
eventually you find out that those things weren't necessarily true.
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Don't you kind of feel the trade like, as a
public if it comes out that these things were never said,
shouldn't we feel kind of like the trade that we
kind of all fell for this stephen A fell for
which I was surprised. I'm surprised he took that tact.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
So there's a couple of things here.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
If I were to find out that it was completely
made up and that's not at all what the conversation was,
then obviously I'm feeling differently about the situation. But that
that line, I'm disheartened to hear what you read?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Right to me?
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I took that as like, oh, did Kathy think she
was having a private conversation with a friend that was
not going to reveal the information to the public.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Not that she mischaracterized her. It was that, oh, you
you repeated our conversation. I thought this was going to
stay here.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, And Kathy Engelbert. If she did say what NAFISA
Collier said, she said was obviously wrong about Caitlin Clark's platform,
absolutely okay, but it also then doesn't necessarily give Collier
a pass to try to drum up all this support
by using Caitlin page Becker's and Angel Reese and their
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fans as pawns to try to support the WNBA and
the play of the WNBA players Association. Like that's like,
there's another part of it. That's why I brought up
the young Stars, like a portion of it, like she
named them, to garner support. I mean, we've all seen
the mean of the Blood and the Crip holding the
tied handkerchiefs together in support in solidarity, and I saw
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Caitlin and Angel Rees fans uniting under this topic. And
that's exactly what the FISA Collier's message was to try
to garner the support. She could have said this in
an email to Kathy Engelbert and we wouldn't have known
anything about it. This was her exit interview and she
took four minutes about this at the start of it
to say what she had to say in her role,
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And people like Stephen A. Smith are now taking this,
and honestly, I don't even know if they want to
get into the to the different levels of these comments.
It's just easy to say, Man, Collier's ticked, so are
Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees fans. Well, let's get rid
of her, like that's easy. That's that's easy to do,
And there's no guarantee that whoever would come in then
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as the WNBA commissioner would be better to work with
than Kathy Engelbert, because guess what, it's not the WNBA's
job to find a commissioner that works well with the
Players Association. It's to take care of the owners and
in the teams that form that league. So it may
be the worst leadership in the world. And I'm not
saying be careful what you wish for, but that's not
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their role. Kathy Engelbert's role isn't to have friends right
now with the Players Association and the Visa Collier's comments
shows that they don't want to be friends with Kathy Engelbert.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
So I guess, like, don't.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
I don't agree that necessarily you need to fire or
get rid of of Kathy at all, but I think
calling her out because this wasn't just this year.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
This this to me.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Since last year, it has been clear that you were
not prepared for the magnitude that was Caitlin Clark coming
into the WNBA. You haven't handled it well, So why
not call you out? And I think that's just like
the most simplest way here.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
The most simplest thing though with that is though, then
why didn't you call for her last year? Sure because
you were so caught up in your feelings of trying
to keep Caitlin Clark and all this under wraps and
not have this shine of And I'm not saying it
was the FEASA Collier specifically, I'm talking about the WNBA players,
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but now that it's happened in another season where maybe
more eyes are watching it and you're seeing some of
the officiating, but it happens to her, you know. Asia
Wilson after the game last night says she supported anything
that the FISA Collier says. I would actually have more
weight in what Asa Wilson says because she wasn't hurt
at the end of the regular season. Kylie's saying this
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to me is in the w NBA uh PA's vice president,
it is w NBA star that got injured in the
playoffs because of the officiating. That's who's speaking to me.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
I guess better late than ever.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, maybe anything to add Iowa Sam, who is in
the w NBA Finals. It's the Aces and the Mercury.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Mercury bounced to the Links.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So a desert NBA Finals, Phoenix against Vegas.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
Hit the duel in the desert. I like duel in
the desert for a literation.
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Speaker 4 (41:45):
I hope it's not a nauseating Wednesday for you.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Dan, It's not.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Good good Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Better, could have been, could have been better?
Speaker 7 (41:54):
It could have been Yes, Monty, He's Dan Byer total Dottie.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I got into a little fender bender before the show.
I'm sorry, but that's all I'm gonna say about it.
That is and advised by my attorneys, you know, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
His attorney, and Dan, I think you have an argument here.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
I will see, We'll see.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
I think he does.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I'll tell you who doesn't have an argument.
Speaker 10 (42:18):
A J.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Brown. You know who else doesn't have an argument? Colin Cowherd, Monty,
I'm telling you this is this is the there's this
is not meant to be fill in hosts on Superstar,
Top of the Line, Hall of Fame, Talent Crime. But
Colin Cowherd said something earlier today on The Herd, a
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disagreement that he and Jason McIntyre had between each other.
Doug has a segment that in his podcast, and we've
had it on the show before. It's called what does
the Fox say? We play a little intro and it
said it sounds like this. And now, so Colin Coward
said something about AJ Brown that just blew my mind
(43:02):
today after AJ Brown sent a cryptic tweet after the
Eagles win. After the Eagles win on Sunday against the Buccaneers,
nine targets, two receptions, seven yards. That was the stat
line for AJ Brown. This is Collins take on AJ
Brown in his future in Philadelphia. J McK and I
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had a disagreement on this.
Speaker 10 (43:26):
I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor.
In most careers, you got about twenty five years of
prime and you can work to your seventies. You can't
as a pro football player. And so AJ Brown and
I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy.
I do think if you went to Kobe and said,
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lit'sten you get six shots a game, Kobe would have
been like, peace out, I'm going to go somewhere else.
AJ Brown gets fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills
tight end. He's got money and he's got a trophy.
His legacy is on the line. He's not necessary. They
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try to target him nine target seven yards most of
the time. He's just not And I think if I
was AJ Brown, this sounds selfish, but I think pro
athletes get cornered into well it's about winning games. Well,
that's part of it, and it's it's transformational money, and
there's legacies involved. And my take is if I was
AJ Brown, I'd go to Philadelphia. I'd say quietly, I'm
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not gonna screw the market up. I'm not gonna do
a mellow with the Nuggets to the Knicks. I don't
want to be here, make a deal. I think AJ
Brown has a right to leave. I am defending him
not staying with a better organization.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Am I wrong? Nine trillion percent? I don't know if
it goes up to nine trillion but he is nine
trillion percent wrong. When in sports have we ever said,
you know what, screw the winning?
Speaker 4 (44:55):
Never? Not once. Yeah, it is about no, it's only
about winning. That is the whole point, Colin, what are
you talking about? Also?
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Also, also, since when is the legacy of AJ Brown
something to compare to the legacy of Kobe Bryant?
Speaker 2 (45:11):
Never what?
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Not even sort of?
Speaker 3 (45:14):
And actually I think if you did tell Kobe, hey,
you can only take six shots, but you're gonna win,
I think you'd be like, well, damn, because Kobe did
care about winning.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
Kobe. Yeah, Kobe would say. Kobe is famous for saying,
you'd never go like one of twelve, he'd go one
of twenty. You just keep shooting. However, However, to your
point about Team USA and winning a gold medal, Kobe
had his role, took it upon himself as the leader,
and that was his role. Exactly to your point, AJ
Brown is not Kobe Bryant. AJ Brown on the list
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of important Philadelphia Eagles, it may not be top five.
And the issue to me is it continues to be
AJ Brown.
Speaker 10 (45:53):
Now.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
The Philadelphia Eagles Playkate this sort of activity, so they're
on the hook for it, Manzie. Why would they get
rid of AJ Brown when they're the ones who have
been actually encouraging this by giving him a three year,
ninety six million dollar deal after he was reading a
book on the sidelines that was last year, but after
he sulked after only getting three catches in a playoff
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win against the Giants. AJ Brown has always been about
AJ Brown and at no point has the Philadelphia Eagle's
success ever depended upon AJ Brown. And it's just crazy
for me to hear Colin say AJ Brown, who now
has a Super Bowl ring, should go and get his
When what about back to back? What about trying to
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be a great wide receiver in that way? What about
coming up big in a playoff game? That's what's ahead
for AJ Brown? Him going having fifteen hundred yards somewhere
else is not going to change the legacy of AJ Brown.
He's not going into the Hall of Fame. None of
that is true. The fantasy world that Colin thinks could
be ahead for AJ Brown doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, I really don't unders stand what Colin is defending. Like, Okay,
let him leave. I think the Eagles would be like,
all right, bye, thank you, take take your stuff make sure.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
By and then the Eagles would continue and nothing would change.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
You know, you know who's got the you know who's
got the most probably bone to pick with all of this,
because you're right, nothing has nothing has changed with the
Eagles because they again they encourage this sort of behavior.
But how do you feel if you're Jalen Hurts that
here's this guy. We criticize Jalen Hurts enough enough with
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despite the success that he has had, right, nine targets
in two catches for seven yards, we can look at
that and say, obviously they're just not on the same page.
When he gets three catches in a playoff game against
the Giants for only forty some yards and he's not happy,
we understand that's not a great game, but again, you
won the game. But these also, subliminally Manzi are shots
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at Jalen Hurts, like why aren't they on the same page.
You've been together now for multiple seasons and you can't
figure out a rhythm or a rapport like Matthew Stafford
and Poukin Nakua would not have a nine target, two
reception game, like it's just not going to happen. And
every time aj Brown does this. It is an indirect
(48:21):
shot at Jalen Hurts. So if you're the Philadelphia Eagles,
if AJ Brown wants to do quiet stuff and trade them,
that's fine. Don't trade them so he can get his numbers.
Trade them so he stops undermining your quarterback. That would
be the only reason that I would say to get
rid of AJ Brown, who right now hasn't necessarily been
the factor that the Eagles would have hoped when they
gave him a ninety six million dollar contract.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
You know, I actually never thought of it that way,
that he was undermining Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
And you make excellent points. You're right, that is probably
what he's trying to do.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
But I never thought of it that way because even
though Jalen Hurts gets criticized enough, you know what he does,
he does what he's asked when he needs to do it.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
So yeah, like he.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
May not throw the ball, but I've seen him damn
take you down the field throwing the ball when he
needs to do I've seen him do it a couple
damn times. So it's like, it's not it's not Jalen Hurts.
Maybe it's you AJ Brown because he him and Dallas
Goddard seem to connect whenever he needs to.
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Whenever, whenever he needs to, Dallas Goddard is there for him.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
So it's just kind of like, yeah, but the Eagles
game isn't always to throw the ball because you have
Jalen Earts and you have Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
But when he needs to get you downfield, throw the ball.
He has been doing that.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
They're four, and oh they're a weird four and oh, yes,
they completely are. I wonder like if they if they
were functional not dysfunctional, how dominant they would be this
this team could be right. I mean, this is hours
after beating the Buccaneers in a road game, where again
he had two catches for seven yards on the nine targets.
(49:53):
If you're not welcomed, not listen to quietly withdraw, don't
make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way.
That's that's what he posted. Posting a tweet like that
is the exact opposite of quietly withdrawing, not making a scene.
And that's not shrugging your shoulders and going on your way.
You are putting up a stink. The tweet is still
(50:13):
up there four point two million views for some reason,
twelve thousand people liked it. I have no idea what's
wrong with those twelve thousand people in Gallen Coward. But
man A J. Brown just continues, there's the Eagles keep
on winning it, so there's no like why it can
be like, see, look at what he torpedoed.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
But I think you also hit on something else that
maybe he realizes, like you are not even a top
five Eagle, Like he just wants to be talked about.
He wants to be the center of attention. He wants
to be the guy. And you are on a team that, yeah,
you're not talked about and there's still success despite you
and your antics.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
I don't know how this works. You're you're right, like
they somehow make this work. Jalen Hurts must have the
thickest skin and quarterback in the NFL, because there's just that.
It's bad enough to hear the outside noise from from
everybody else, but now they have to deal with it
within your locker room after you've won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
How close do you think they're sitting next to each
other in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
But well, you know what he does read a book
on the sidelines, like that's look at that, Look at
that growth, look at that? That's that wasn't the same
page I've never ever seen. I've seen more hot dogs
than books on sidelines of NFL games, of guys eating
hot dogs and blowout games. Right, yes, there's there's. The
Seahawks actually did it way back in the day as well,
(51:35):
like they were playing a preseason game against the forty
nine ers. I think they were eating hot dogs. I've
seen more tubed meat on the sidelines than I have novels.
But last year, when when aj Brown sits on the
bench and brings out a book, we have people defending
look at this growth, look at this mental strength. There
wasn't a bookmark in the book. Okay, there wasn't. Like
(51:56):
I left off on page two sixty eight, there was
none of that.
Speaker 3 (52:00):
How it's terrible reading while your team is playing.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
How is that growth? I don't understand. I thought the
growth would be being.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
There cheering your teammates on being a good buddy when
they come on off the field.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Come on, man, not sitting there?
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Well, growth was in chapter twenty eight, which he hadn't
yet gotten to in that book that he was reading.
But hey, great job by aj Browns to read a
book on the sidelines.
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Doug Gottlieb
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