October 7, 2025 • 47 mins
On a Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to the news that the Browns traded Joe Flacco to the Bengals.
On this edition of Tuesday Morning Quarterback, Doug and the crew cover stories that were missed on Monday.
Doug gives his thoughts on the Chiefs before welcoming NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to cover all of the major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
MM.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome in What a day and sport a night in sports? Huh?
Was that good? Or was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah,
you got Jason.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Stewart proved wrong but right, and you try and run
a play but it involves a bunt and anti bunt.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Guy had a had a great night. Not last night.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
With with the Dodgers hanging out to beat the Phillies,
plus the Brewers took a commanding two games done lead
on the Cubs.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We got to get to that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We had Thursday Night Football where the Jaguars, Yes, I said,
the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was that Monday
Night Football? Sorry, I said, Thursdayight Football.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
My mistake. Just all the days crammed together.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Monday Night Football where the Jaguars take down the Chiefs.
More issues with the Chiefs, But I think we got
to start with the story of the day, which is
breaking news.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You've heard it from.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.
Joe Flaco is now a Bengal and in division trade
in division trade from a guy who was the starter
for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started
Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup
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is Shoudure Sanders.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The trade has not been confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter
did report it. Oh, I'm sorry it should or being
two is not confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll bring in
an old head, you know, to be part of that
that room.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
But man, is that crazy?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's not crazy? It's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I actually think that should be their slogo, slogan. What
do you guys think about that?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby, huh.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints
were do your job. What if the Browns.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Said, it's that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that
that tracks, that really tracks.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because the Bengals are
they have to win. You'll only go get Jay Flaco
if you feel like anything's better than what we're throwing
out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL Media is reporting
that Shadoor is going to be number two. My guess
is they go and get out in the street and
they find a guy, either practice squad or a number three.
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But that is like, there's never a dull moment with
the Browns, a team that there's no reason we should
pay attention to, except for they had four quarterbacks. Now
they have two, and the two that had experienced as starters,
one who won a Super Bowl, is now playing for
their arch rival, and they're left with Dylan Gabriel and
Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell you what he's done
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at practice, but you know, up until recently he wasn't
even their scout team quarterback. Then of course last week
he was doing the miming, you know, speaking silently when
asked questions after Dylan Gabriel's name starter. Now he's the
Backup's that's Lane Kiffen early in his career failing up
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from Shadoor Sanders. That's remarkable, that's crazy. It's not crazy, Sam,
It's not crazy.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
It's Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's the Browns.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
The Browns, it's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't remember an Indivision trade of a starting quarterback
since Donovan McNabb. McNabb remember, was traded from the Eagles
where he had taken them to the super Bowl to
the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting
trade you trade Indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Everybody knows what Flacco is.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't think he's washed out, but he's obviously not
the player he used to be. But the Bengals are
in such desperate need of somebody who can get rid
of the football, and they do have some talent there.
Think about if your Joe Flacco, you went from having
to worry about a rookie third string quarterback who's a
fifth round draft pick and what he was going to
say to the media to where now you have Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
To throw the football too.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's failing up as well. That's not that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's not bad.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Does make sense, but also really interesting. Kirk Cousins hasn't
been moved now. Part of it is Kirk Cousins makes
a lot more money than Flacco is Placo does, but
Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup, not doing anything,
whereas Joe Flacco is on the move yet again, and
this going to the Cincinnati Bengals. All right, we'll circle
back to that one in a moment. But oh, you
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had something.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'm sorry there, buyer, go.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Ahead, Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that
I think about this is you have the Cincinnati Bengals
who just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions Like
the numbers are there. Jamar Chase actually had a good game,
maybe a fantasy football perspective, but Chase was at least
a factor against the Lions in a game where Cincinnati
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was playing catchup ball game. The problem is Jake Browning
just keeps on turning over the football. Did it against
the Vikings, did it against the Lions this past weekend.
So you bring in Joe fla who, by the way,
at times is known to turn over the football. And
now you have a forty year old quarterback who moves
even less than Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them.
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And it's one of those deals where you say you
do an indivision trade why in the world would the
Browns want to do this for us? Like, why would
they want to do this sort of deal, because it
doesn't make a lot of sense. I do think Cincinnati
had to make a move. I didn't think the Kirk
Cousin scenario was realistic because of the amount of money
that Cousins has on his contract, something that you pointed out.
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But I just don't know if Joe Flacco is the
solution to the problem for Cincinnati at this time. You
just need somebody to maybe have a little bit more
mobility as well. And I just I find it so
intriguing because they're sitting there at two and three and
the division is still up for grabs. We don't believe
in Pittsburgh as much as we do, and they felt
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that this was the route to go, and if the
Browns were willing to do it, you'd have to wonder
why were the Browns willing to do it? And I
also don't think that Shador Sanders is the guarantee to
be the backup quarterback, and it has nothing to do
with Sanders. It would just be surprising to me that
the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be there one
and two. At this point, Bailey's appy is actually on
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the team's practice squad. To me, that makes a lot
more sense if if she.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
If he's the number, if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,
but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.
But as I started by some, it's not crazy.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
It's the Brons, it's the Browns. But what the Browns
are also saying at this point is a week ago,
Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to
Dylan Gabriel, right because they said that Joe Flacca was
going to be the backup. So after one game, so
in seven days in London, mind you, they've now made
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the decision that Shador is ready for that backup role.
I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think
we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.
But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out,
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're going to, you know, have him be a snap
away from starting.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I don't think that he's the guaranteed backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,
and yes, trading and division generally means you think a
guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he
didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,
but has held the ball previously, and you feel like
the Bengals you got to get rid of it quick.
But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just
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need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that
can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.
We have enough talent to be decent.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We just we just had, you know, without burd We're
just not that team.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Like what are I guess your options are your Kirk
cousins and then who else? Who else is a viable
veteran backup who you feel like can plug and play
and you stick them in there and can play within
that offense.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona
and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for
Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since that? He's been
in one of them?
Speaker 6 (09:33):
So you know, is.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Jacoby Brissett better than Joe Flacco? Right now?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco
threw six interceptions in four games so far this season
for the Browns.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
And that's what you don't want to do if you're
Cincinnati and behind that offensive line you get someone who's
less mobile. I yeah, it shocked me when I saw
that for so many reasons. And I also good on
the Bengals for trying to make a move. I just
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don't know if this was the move that they needed
to make.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So let's
turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
It was such a good night.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
The Dodgers up for nothing, give up a couple runs
in the eighth right, and then in the ninth it
got Harry as well. It gets to four to three,
and Dave Roberts did something that So Jay, Dude, take
me through the Sasaki Rookie Sazaki and the decision that
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Dave Roberts made and why it was such a big
decision from a guy who's followed every game of the
Dodgers this year.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process
for getting ready as a reliever than there was a starter.
Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time
to get ready as a starter. Dave Roberts obviously didn't
want to use him Last night. They had a four
to nothing lead, so he was thinking, I'm pretty good.
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But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost
every single night leading leading Last night, the blow up
was Blake Trinan, who I don't even think should be
on the postseason roster. He was so bad this year.
Three hits, two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks
for coming, and then Dave is forced to warm up
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Sasaki and bring him in for the final out of
the game. He was obviously not excited to do so.
Tommy Edmon feels a ground ball with a tyn run
at third base and he throws it into the dirt,
saved by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and
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we go to LA two.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never
butt guy? Like?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Remember if we go back before they change the rules
in baseball, it was like bunting had completely gone away,
and then all of a sudden, now you know you're
seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,
by the way, what an incredible defensive play. Incredible defensive play,
But never bunt guy is still mumbling today, what are
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the Phillies doing?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
What are the Phillies doing?
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Speaker 5 (12:39):
The Saki honkers down on the mound, kicks in fires,
turner swings, crown balled.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
A second scooped up by him, and he throws first
dug out by Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
He picks it and saves the game. That's a win
for LA.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean what a great pick by Freddy Freeman.
Now you said he's Steve sacksed it. I think that's
a dated reference. When you saw the throw to second
base buyer from second base, uh to win the game.
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Who is the player that you thought of? In terms of.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I think everybody thinks na Block Chuck.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Nab Block would be a more recent than Steve Sacks.
And then there's also John.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well, then we don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
John Lester, Yes, well, John Lester was with the Cubs
when he couldn't throw the first base. So there's actually
times where he would throw. He would do underhand, but
then he would throw one couple times he threw with
the glove. He threw the glove with the ball still
in it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Right. Steve Sacks had that problem as well. Is anybody
recently had that problem where.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They couldn't do the first base, couldn't throw to the
first base before.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Last night, that problem in my head.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can you imagine if the Dodgers lost on that throw,
what Jason would be like today?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And they nearly did? Freddy save the day.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
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Speaker 1 (14:37):
We're gonna have a good discussion about Jonathan Gannon apologizing
to Amari Amari uh Demarcado.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It does.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Amaro Demarcado does sound like a baseball player's name, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Here's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Ready, Amrio de Marcado steps in. He was two for
two yesterday. De Marcado or Demarcato could be a picture.
De Marcado wheels deals outside ball one. You know, de
Marcado grew up in the Dominican Republic, but he went
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to prep school in Florida. Demarcato wines and delivers another
ball high to Demarcado. Sounds like anyway, that was my that's.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
My uh my.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oral fixation on Major League Baseball's play by play voices
Dave Amari de Marcado. Marty Demarcado is hitting second for
the White Sox.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Speaking of you just reminded me of a pet peeve
of mine. So I think it's your boy, your guy, right,
Brian Anderson is your guy. He's a buddy, Yes, so
I do. It's not necessarily with him, but he is
the new generation of national broadcasters, Okay, who do these
baseball games. And I've noticed a trend in recent years,
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and I've never I've never witnessed this before, so I
don't know why, maybe because it sounds cool. But whenever
a batter swings at a first pitch and flies out
or whatever, they're in ambush mode. You know, like last night,
Freddie Freeman's in ambush mode, swung at the first pitch,
And I'm thinking back in the day, it was just like,
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if the best pitch you're gonna get in the pats
the first pitch, just swing at it if you like.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
There are some guys. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
There are some guys. Isn't that the weirdest thing about
Major League Baseball? There's some guys they just stand at
there and they're you know, and there and they watch,
they watch the first pitch come right down the pipe
and they're just like, you know, they're good. They're chewing
their gum, they're spitting their seeds, they're doing whatever. That
is one of the weird weird things about the sport.
You know, there's not another sport. It's not a sport
where a guy comes in and a great player, they
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get him a wide open three and.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
He's like, nope, I'm going to pass it. But in baseball.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You'll be standing up there in the first pitch, fastball
right down, and they're like, nope.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Right, But I think ambush mode is like it just
sounds cool, it sounds dangero a.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's a recent change in how we express the guy
who's gonna swing, you know, swing away on the first pitch.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
But it also is like a thing where broadcasters like
things that make you sound cool, like no doubt, off
the edge wasn't a thing like twenty years ago, but
people love saying off the edge or in space, God space,
possible to tackle in space, in.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Getting ball in space. Well, that's also what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Is they're repeating coach speak or players speak and they
think it hits them up right because they're up there
where we're up there wearing dockers and a button down.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We're trying to feel cool.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We're like, yeah, one's in ambush but I'm Ari Dve
Marcato is in ambush mode. It is Tuesday. There's lots
of things we may have missed yesterday. Right, we don't
miss the headline stuff. Only so much you can do
and so long you can do it. But we make
sure we circle back on a Tuesday as we play
Tuesday morning quarterback.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Mondays can be overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Get to on Monday.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
This is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Kind of every day is my Tuesday morning quarterback. I
mean that because I turned the microphone off. I get
in my car or whatever, and I'm like, Dad, bless it,
why did I get to that?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Damn Jay Stu, what do we miss?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Ester?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I'll take it from here. I will say this. I
think there's been a change in the bed music. This
is a tad bit more distracting than I want in
my music beds. But that's not we can we have
that conversation off there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I don't even know why you're having this. You can't hear.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's the problem with me.
Something didn't get to yesterday that I will turned down.
I wanted to get to today. As Justin Herbert, He's
the quarterback of the team that I like the most
in the NFL, and I think Justin Herbert tends to
be because his head coach, Jim Harbab basically thinks he
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walks on water. And I'm not exaggerating. I think he
has actually said that his quarterback walks on water. He
said that one. He's tend to hyperbole when he talks
about how good Justin Herbert is. So I think we
kind of we are conditioned as fans to forgive his weaknesses.
But there's been something that has happened throughout his career
that I've never understood. I think he's one of the
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tallest quarterbacks in the NFL. If I'm mistaken, he's like
six foot six or something, and the guy still gets
way too many passes at the line tipped. He throws
into fingers and arms far too often for a tall quarterback.
Maybe the most consequential one on Sunday was the interception
at the go on. And then he's got this other
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thing that he does. Okay, I'm confirmed. Tallest fourth and
three fourth and three charges go for it and they
decide to pass the ball five yards down the field
is Tucker Fisk. There's a reason why you don't know
who Tucker Fisk is. He's the third tight end on
the on the dupth chart. If he could catch a ball,
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he would probably be the first on the depth chart.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
But By the way, Tucker Fisk is a name that
you need to take your.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Time before you pronounced yes, like I would, just can
encourage people to during our next break, say the name
Tucker Fisk five times quickly have fun.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Jason grit So, he's five yards down the field and
Justin Herbert as opposed to just a nice touch pass
to get the first down, he hurls this ball. He
hucks it, he like fires it five yards into the
face mask of Tucker Fisk. You yourself, okay, well the
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face mask. That means he could probably catch it, but
it was it was thrown at one hundred miles an hour,
say time down from five yards away to get to
get a three down touchdown. These are things that as
you're watching Justin Herbert week to week, you just get
frustrated with these two qualities. And I felt like Tuesday
Morning Quarterback was the way for me to bring it
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to the surface.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Do you guys remember that song Things that Make You Go,
Things that.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Make you go?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (21:34):
If you don't, Rich actually do a Monday segment called
that about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Things that make you Yeah, say I like that?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
C and C music factory.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So that's like there's only two songs C and C
Music Factory.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That factory did not produce much. It produced two different songs.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Don't quote me on that.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
But so there was something that that I think we
are really missing that happened in last night's game with
the Chiefs and Jaguars. So one of the lasting images
from the Super Bowl was Travis Kelcey not trying right
where we thought that he wasn't giving forth the effort.
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He even said that he didn't want to go out
like that, he was going to come back for revenge.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
And so what.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
We've talked about, and you guys talked about it as well,
is Chris Jones' effort on the last play, thinking that
maybe Trevor Lawrence was down, but it wasn't a great
look for Jones because the play kept on going and
Trevor Lawrence gets into the end zone. But when we
talk about the Chiefs and we say, hey, the Chiefs
are going to be all right, Chiefs are going to
be fine, what stood out to me last night was
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what happened when the Chiefs actually got the football in
the final seconds of that game. Because I think the
comeback against the Bills with thirteen seconds. When all is
said and done with the three Super Bowls and what
the Chiefs did, it's that comeback that we will remember
as a top three moment in Chief's history, in Patrick
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Mahomes's history, in Tyreek Hill's career, in Travis Kelcey's career,
to be able to save that game, to force it
to overtime by getting the two completions that they needed
in thirteen seconds to set up the long field goal
to tie it against Buffalo. Now, to think that lightning
would strike twice is a lot to ask. However, when
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you see how the Chiefs handled or didn't handle last
night's game, tells me everything that these aren't the same Chiefs.
These aren't the same Chiefs that we knew going to
the Super Bowl. They had a holding penalty on a kickoff,
so then they were backed up at their own seventeen
still sixteen seconds left one time out. A pass to
Hollywood Brown went off, his helmet wasn't even looking, wasn't
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even looking at the time. Another play ended up almost
getting picked off. They finally got a short pass play
to three seconds where Patrick Mahomes could maybe throw up
a Hail Mary that got to the ten yard line
to even have a chance. But those sort of situations
the Chiefs would execute in clutch situations. And last night
to have a football go off Hollywood Brown's helmet. And
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it's not anything personal about Hollywood Brown, but even Troy
Aikman said on the broadcast that if he catches that
he at least gets to midfield because of the space
and the momentum that he had, and he wasn't.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
He didn't even see the football. I don't even know
if he.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Knew that it hit him in the helmet, And that
to me was in stark contrast to the successful super
Bowl bound Chiefs teams that we had seen in the past. Now,
they didn't go to a super Bowl that year because
they lost the next week to the Bengals, but still
those thirteen seconds against the Bengals are against the Bills
we all remember, and last night to see how they
operated late told me everything that I needed to know
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about the Chiefs right now this season.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Sam ten twelve am in Hawaii on this Tuesday in quarterback,
I continue to be impressed by the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Out goes Ben Johnson taking the head coaching job with Chicago.
Out goes Aaron Glenn taking a head coaching job with
the Jets. In comes John Morton from Denver, better known
for his salt and The top scoring offense in the
NFL is the Detroit Lions. If you were to take
out right now, they're averaging thirty four point eight points
per game. If you were to take out that thirteen
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point performance in their opening game of the season and
the loss against the Packers, they're averaging about forty points
a game. I'm impressed. The defense seems to be playing
very very well too.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Wits.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
This tells me is that Dan Campbell's fingerprints and culture
continue to just control the situation, and they have an
incredible roster of talent. You see the trickery still there
that Ben Johnson was known for the last game against
the Bengals where David Montgomery, who I didn't even know
was a former quarterback, throws a touchdown. Brock Right, They
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are so they will just spread you out. They are
just so with all the different things they can do.
I'm just impressed by the Lions. They're not skipping a beat.
They are uh once again, one of the best offenses
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
How do you guys explain this? And maybe you'll give
me kind of the the obvious answer, but I'm hoping
maybe we could dig a little deeper. How do you
with all the quarterbacks in the entire league, like Joe
Burrow and these guys that just can't stay available, how
do you explain Jared Goff's ability to not get injured? Like,
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what's what's the explanation for that?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
The scheme very good at like Dan Marino was very
good at not getting injured.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
He's Matt Ryan, dude. First of all, he's got a
good offensive line.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yes, great offensive line.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
It's going to go deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay, But he gets rid of the ball really quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
It's one of the frustrating things when he was with
the Rams that he wouldn't throw the ball down the field.
But he gets rid of the ball really really quickly.
He's checked down, Charlie.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
I know that Jason wants to move past it, but
I just I don't think that it can be overstated
about their offensive line, because the Lions can beat you
with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery. They can run all
over you if they want to. They even have Taylor
Decker this past weekend against the Bengals, and they still
were able to dominate. They lost their all pro center
Frank Reignow to retirement this past year and they still
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haven't missed a beat. To Sam's point, I think it's
a great job by Brad Holmes, but I think it's
how they've been their GM to build this team. But
when you have the threat of run and pass, it's
a world of difference. Look at Kansas City, they have
no running game. Cincinnati right now has no running game.
So you have these quarterbacks under pressure to be able
(27:43):
to just be able to do both. Yeah, Goff gets
rid of the ball quickly. I agree with all that,
but I think it starts up front because he wouldn't
be able to make it through the season if he
didn't have that The Wall of five.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Guys question for you, Dan, you know more skill disision
players than anybody in the building, right because you're like
the fantasy.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
King with the I Want your Flex podcast?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Did you have was Jacory Krossky merit on your radar
before the weekend?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Yes, Yeah, he's been He's been around. He was drafted
in leagues, especially when the Commanders traded Brian Robinson to
the forty nine ers. Yeah, yeah, yes he was. He
wasn't named that.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Do you know his story at all?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
I just know that they call him Bill.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
He went to Alabama State in twenty nineteen, like he
just finished college last year. He went to Alabama State
starting twenty nineteen. He's one of those guys like you're
still in college. He was a zero star one hundred
and seventy pound running back. I was reading a article
on him in yesterday, and I bring that up because
obviously you pay any attention. He had one hundred eleven
yards against Yes, the Chargers have a ton of injuries
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on offense, but staple is their defense and they ran.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
All over them.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
But I I gotta be infused in my praise of
dan Quinn. Cowboys defense was one of the best in
the league when he was there. He leaves, their defense
is a disaster. He goes to the Commanders. They go
to the playoffs this year. They start out a little slow.
Jayden Daniels gets hurt as well. He comes back. They
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go be our whole thing is the Chargers. The Chargers
the charge, right, but maybe it should be the Commanders
and dan Quinn granted, you know, Raiders and Giants aren't
great teams. They have the two wins there. They lost
to the Packers on the road, the Packers led, you know, kick.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Off to finish. Then they lose the Falcons on the
road in the close game.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But I just you know, as we know that the
Eagles are the most talented.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Team in that division and maybe the league.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We thought, okay, maybe this is a Jayden Daniels year
where he's you know, sophomore slump. Now they're at three
and two. You know, they played three of the last
four at home. They get the Bears at home, two
more on the road, and then a very heavy home
friendly schedule for the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I just, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
In this league we talk about a lot of coaches
for whatever reason, Ashley, we don't talk about Dan Quinn
and what an amazing job he does, so I want.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
To talk about it he does. Is I mean you
have a look at your face. No.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
I think that it's funny because last year at the
Super Bowl I spoke with Austin Eckler and Brian Robinson
who was a Commander at the time and wish he
was he was well. Brian Robinson wished he was anywhere
else except sitting with me doing an interview. He could
not have looked less interested. We even have the photo abage.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
My Robinson to get shot, so I definitely think he'd
much rather be with you than when he was.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
No.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I think the look on his face was that I'd
rather be getting shot than they sit in with this guy.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
And he had a giant pile of chicken wings in
front of him, like, wouldn't that make you happy?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
To make anybody well, yeah, but he he wasn't. But
the message that was given to me from Austin Eckler
was that dan Quinn had these guys buying into the
commander's nickname, like to take command, like it was a message,
It was a mantra within that building. And so while
we as fans may not like the commander's nickname, dan
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Quinn had the players buying in so much so that
they had warned to the nickname that it became who
they are. And I think that shows dan Quinn as
a leader. And again during that coaching cycle, the last
coach hired. Commanders were gonna interview Ben Johnson, he backed out.
The Seahawks were looking for a coach At that time,
(31:40):
dan Quinn seemed like an obvious fit to return, But
me and many other Seahawks fans were like, no, we
don't want to go back. We don't want more of
the Pete Carroll era, and dan Quinn has got the
dan Quinn era. So I think your point about the
commanders is very well put. He is his own man.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Anybody what else want to get in? No, okay, let's
use the more quarterback.
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you don't have a camera i'd like, I don't. I'm
not saying anything out of line here, like the ability
to communicate with Dan.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
This is really cool.
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Speaker 3 (33:01):
My doings, your big brother. Is that what you are? Okay?
I didn't know that I had. I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
John min o'coff will join us upcoming in about five minutes.
I think, Dan, you picked the chiefs right, and then did.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
The three of us Sam, you, me and no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
No.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Dog and you were wrong. Oh I was also close
to being right.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You were close to being right.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You know what's interesting about last there's lots of things
interesting about last night's football game.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
The first is.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Something for my childhood that used to be like an
iconic football play. People have figured out how to defend
it and now it's like you would never tell anybody
to do it. And it's jumping over the pile. Now
I grant you. He's extending the ball and it slipped
out of his hands and got poked. Slipped out of
his hands. I'm talking about Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Was that the first I think was the first quarter.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
But if you think of our childhood and Dan, I
think you can. You can attest to this, Jase, do
you can? It's a little Sam's a little younger than us.
Walter Payton was probably most famous. Do you think, guys
for being the guy who would jump over the pile
and get in the end zone? Was he the one
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the most synonymous with it?
Speaker 7 (34:25):
I think yeah, the leaping portion of it. Marcus Allen
was really good at the goal line as well in
that sort of role. But I think that the leap
sweetness is the lasting.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Image, right.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
And now you would never tell a player to leap, like, yeah,
when you leap, you exposed the football. Exposed the football,
they'll poke it out or they'll punch it out, a
rule which Jase dou thinks is going to be changed
in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
You maybe right, but you know what is like a
short fire touchdown?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
And then we have all this technology and I actually
think I think they got the call right. I think
they got the call right. But I mean, there's a line,
there's a football. Isn't there a little microchip inside the football?
Wasn't that what we were told last year that they're
going to add the microchip to the football. So shouldn't
we know if it crossed the goal line? Or they
(35:13):
only have the microchip in the football and not in
the goal line.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
They can only do it via the measurements on a
first down, so you can't do it to see if
it's crossed the goal line or not. So like when
they spot the ball instead of bringing out the chain game,
that's how they that's how they figure it out. That's
what it's used for.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's interesting. Baseball has got abs. They won't use it
this year in the playoffs. Football has got microchips in
the football. Is yet they're only going to use it
to spot the ball, not to tell us if it
went into the inZone. But I guess you know, we're
five games in the season. Are you in on the Jaguars?
And how out are you on the Chiefs? And the
thing about the Chiefs is that, yeah, they're helped out
(35:55):
by the fact that the Chargers, you know, have suddenly
looked very human, very beatable, and look, a lot of
it was his injuries. But they've lost the games. There's
no one cares. At the end of the year, Bronco
is coming on strong. Raiders don't look like challengers at all.
But My big question all off season was with the
(36:16):
is the league finally caught up to the Chiefs and
his age finally caught up to the Chiefs. Here's Pat
Mahomes talking about the Chiefs continue to beat themselves.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean it kind of just talks about our whole
entire season. I mean, we I feel like we have
we have the guys, and we've executed at certain points
of game and looked really good, and then we we
kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and interceptions
and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's just
we've kind of we've kind of done that to ourselves.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
All year long.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's kind of been one guy here there, and in
this league, it's so close that those those change games,
and so we got to be better, you know, we
we we've lost too many games already.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's interesting because this is a team that fans of
the league thought, you know, there's all those memes with
Pat Mahomes and officials somehow either giving bro hugs or
regular hugs.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
The penalties just killed the Chiefs. Here's Andy Reid, their
head coach.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
Thirteen penalties to their four. Whether I agree with them
or don't, agree with them.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
They called them and so you have that many penalties,
you give up field position. You can outstat them to death,
but it doesn't matter. It's a score that matters, and
we've got to take our business.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
There's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. John
Middlecoff's our guests. He's the host of the three Now podcast.
He joins us here on the Doug Gotlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. John was last night more about the
Chiefs or the Jaguars.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
I think it was more about the Jags. I mean,
I think they're pretty good. You know, I didn't know
if it was sustainable the way they beat the Niners.
You know, their defense was like on this just tear
with turnovers. But turns out their defenses as good, I mean,
and they were missing you could argue their best defensive players,
their best defensive linemen. So they're a good defensive teams.
(38:04):
Not totally sold on Trevor Lawrence, but I mean that
throw he made on third and long or third whatever,
what third and eighth, third seven to Brian Thomas for
forty three yards, made another big drow A couple of
plays later, and the effort he had on the run,
I mean not giving up because if he gets sacked
or just tackled, you know, the least two or three
yard line, they don't have timeouts. And he just kind
(38:26):
of willed himself into the end zone, which will kind
of a knock on him. He was like, how much
does he love football? Last night? He was pretty awesome
with his legs. I think achieved a big picture. Are
gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
They're not gonna win fifteen games this year, but I
think when the dust Pedals look at the AFC, I
mean it's a mash unit from an injury standpoint. Some
of the top teams hell even in their division. The
Chargers are in shambells. The Ravens are in shambles. So
my guess would be they're probably more like a ten
win team. But I think they'll be, you know, a
wild card squad that you know, if you're the two seed,
(38:58):
they're the seventh seed. It's not exactly good luck to win.
Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes in round one.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
You mentioned injuries, is that's what that's what's wrong with
the Chargers, same thing with the Ravens or something.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Else yeah, I mean I think it's even worse. I mean,
you would say the Niners it felt like they had
it the worst, but I think the Ravens now when
you factor in Lamar's out in his impact to that team,
they got no shots. You know who's got it better
than us? Well not the Hardball Brothers because they have
a high fright team. You know, Lamar makes a lot
(39:32):
of money, and a bouquet makes a lot of money.
Roll clamp Smith makes a lot of money, Cale Hamilton,
Marlon Humphrey. You remove all these players, you got no shots.
And I mean part of when you start paying people
in any you know, especially basketball or football, the backups
you're pretty dependent on young players, random practice squad type guys,
and man, they have been housed the last I mean
(39:56):
really out of play. Started with that Lions game, but
the last two weeks embarrassed. I I don't see how
it gets any better. Assuming the Rams are, you know,
healthy going into that game, it could kind of look
the same.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, John Middlecoff
is our guest. Joe Flacco traded from the Browns to
the Bengals. So much to unpack but I do think
you know, Buyer brought up a great point, like I
get that you needed anybody other than Browning, But what
(40:30):
does it say that the Browns are willing to trade
him in division to a team they haven't played yet,
They're gonna played twice Joe Flacco washed and the Bengals
are bringing in a washed up quarterback.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Well, here's the other thing. He can't move, so you
have an offensive line which is horrendous. Browning is a
decent athlete. He's getting destroyed. Well Flacco. You would say,
of all the guys that play in the NFL at quarterbacks,
even the first couple, you know, backups included probably the
worst foot athlete in the league. Need Jacobe were set,
you know, Kirk Cousins like, it's he's a sitting duck.
(41:04):
So unless you're just like one hitch fire go routes
to your two receivers, he's not going to be able
to function any better or something like you said. He's
not like he's playing well in the first place, but
he can't move. So I don't know why through them,
especially with the season. I mean, let's face it's kind
of over why you wouldn't take a chance on someone's
like more athletic young quarterback, maybe especially like on a
(41:26):
practice squad pick up. Now you know they would say, well,
you know, some of these teams that have backups that
are athletic won't trade us guys, which is probably some
truth to that. But I think Flacco solves zero issues. Now,
I think the question mark is the mind the backup
quarterback in in Cleveland or is it Zappi or someone else?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Well, I don't know. I mean I think I would
say probably not. Still, I mean I would expect I
mean they.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Had I don't think you can't elevate him after what
he did last week, even if you think, you know
he thought it was funny.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Kenny Pickets. I mean, we haven't heard from that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
They traded Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Is Kenny Pickets gone?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah? Canty Pickett to the Raiders? Right? Was he Raiders
back up? The Raiders?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Okay? So yeah, I mean I know Zappi has playing experience.
I would not be shocked at all if you if
they announced Bailey Zappy and then then the story grows
again and do you think he minds again? Or was
that a one time deal.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I think that's a one time deal. I would imagine
we talked about it.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I mean, his dad's celebrating the mind. It's like, come on, guys,
what are we doing.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I don't, I don't. I just don't get it either.
I just don't get out of Doug Gottlieb Show. Here
on Fox Sports, Trader John Middlecoff is our guest. Three out,
of course is the podcast and the Volume podcast Network.
The Patriots beat the Bills in Buffalo, I said, I
thought it was the biggest win for the Pats since
the pandemic. Right it's like five years. How are they
(43:07):
able to do that to a Bills team that had
looked so unbeatable in Orchard Park.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
I think part of Mike Rabel's value, and he did
this in Tennessee. Now by the you know, Tennessee's like
last good team had a bunch of talent, but early
on he kind of gets guys over achieve and he
uglies up the game and you could feel it right
away some of these turnovers. The game was just ugly.
Six to three and a half, like that is a Rabel special.
He's like, I'm not getting in a shootout with these
(43:35):
guys will lose. I'm not gonna be these guys thirty
five to thirty two. We got to keep it low scoring,
make it kind of uncomfortable for Josh. And their quarterback
played really well, I mean great, probably the best game
of his life, you know, since maybe like sophomore year
in college was awesome. So to me, this is why
you hired Mike Brabel to have a chance in these
(43:58):
type spots when you aren't as good as these teams. Now,
part of it is there's a human nature element to this,
you know, the enormous favorites thinking like what we've been
rolling the past, we're going to continue and now I
think it's the best thing to happen to Sean McDermott one.
You know, you go thirteen and four, you're gonna lose
some games, not all of them. Are just going to
be to the Chiefs for the Ravens, right, and hell,
(44:18):
they beat those two teams this year, or I guess
they haven't played the Chiefs, but they've beaten the Chiefs
the last couple of years. So to me, it's like
you can coach them up now. Also, you get to
take that game when you play him again in New England,
really really seriously, but I think you know they might
have something in Drake May. Now you get the inspired
play from Stefan Diggs, Like I don't quite understand, Like
(44:40):
how Digs got screwed? Wasn't he the guy who wanted out?
But hey, you know, you take motivation however you take it,
and let's fake. And he looked like the guy I
saw at Minnesota years ago playing, So he was unreal.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Steut Gottlig show here on Fox Sports Radio, what's wrong
with the Eagles?
Speaker 4 (45:01):
You know, I'm a big believer that to be a
play caller in football, like the difference of the good
play callers and the bad play callers. Like if you
put Kevin Petola, who's been in the NFL for two
decades now, and Matt Lafleur or McVay or Kyle like
on a whiteboard, I don't think you or me could
tell the difference. He'd be like these guys are geniuses
(45:21):
at football. But there and you know, as like a player,
there's a level of like, God, this guy has all
the physical tools. He should be a great small forward
or he should be a great tight end, And then
you just start playing and he's like, this guy doesn't
have a good feel for the sports. And I think
sometimes it's play callers. It's like it's almost like instincts
as a player, but it as a play caller, and
(45:42):
so they get in the game and they just don't
have a field. There's no evan flowing. Some guys do, right.
You watch Kyle Shanahan's coaching with Mac Jones. He just like,
this guy just knows what he's doing. And you watch
the Eagles guy, which, in fairness, they had Shane Sichin
that was a mate that was a home run higher
Kellen Moore win the Super Bowl, it gets the head
coaching job. So they've hit on some of these guys.
(46:03):
But they also went had Brian Johnson. It was ugly,
and now this is it's not quite as ugly, but
it's a little clunky. And I think it's just, you know,
anytime a guy gets an opportunity to be a play caller,
it's a it's an unknown that no one can quantify
until you start calling plays, and through five games you
would say, I don't know if this guy's got a
(46:23):
long term future calling calling place because it doesn't listen.
Jalin's by no means a perfect player, but holy moly,
they got a lot of good players. You see some
of these guys fail, You're like, well, look who's coaching.
And they got a good offensive line, they got Sagwa Barkley,
they got multiple tight ends, they got receivers for days.
And it's like and that market's tough too, so they
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they start kind of the pressure starts falling on you.
How we starts looking at you a little weird. The
owner starts looking at you wear from the players because
they know what it looks like. So he just he's
got to have a game where he just calls a
bunch of touchdown plays and we look up and they
got thirty five points. Maybe that's get right. Thursday night
game against the Giants. The problem is Thursday night game,
especially as the season goes, they usually can be a
(47:05):
little clunky. So it probably won't be this Thursday, but
everyone's going to be paying attention, so it's going to
be a huge story if they even if they win
like seventeen to seven.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
That's John Middlecoff, NFL analyst host the Three and Out podcast,
and you can hear that in the Volume podcast network.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
John great stuff. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
MM.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Welcome in What a day and sport a night in sports? Huh?
Was that good? Or was that good? Man? That's amazing? Yeah,
you got Jason.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Stewart proved wrong but right, and you try and run
a play but it involves a bunt and anti bunt.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Guy had a had a great night. Not last night.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
With with the Dodgers hanging out to beat the Phillies,
plus the Brewers took a commanding two games done lead
on the Cubs.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
We got to get to that.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
We had Thursday Night Football where the Jaguars, Yes, I said,
the Jaguars moved to four and one. Was that Monday
Night Football? Sorry, I said, Thursdayight Football.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
My mistake. Just all the days crammed together.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Monday Night Football where the Jaguars take down the Chiefs.
More issues with the Chiefs, But I think we got
to start with the story of the day, which is
breaking news.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
You've heard it from.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Dan Byer, You've heard it here on Fox Sports Radio.
Joe Flaco is now a Bengal and in division trade
in division trade from a guy who was the starter
for the Browns. Then the Browns pulled him. They started
Dylan Gabriel and now it's Dylan Gabriel and the backup
(01:51):
is Shoudure Sanders.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The trade has not been confirmed yet, but Adam Shefter
did report it. Oh, I'm sorry it should or being
two is not confirmed yet. I'm sure they'll bring in
an old head, you know, to be part of that
that room.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
But man, is that crazy?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It's not crazy? It's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I actually think that should be their slogo, slogan. What
do you guys think about that?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Right? Like the Raiders is just win baby, huh.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
For a long time, the Patriots and then the Saints
were do your job. What if the Browns.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Said, it's that crazy? It's the Browns? Like, yeah, that
that tracks, that really tracks.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So Joe Flacco to the Bengals because the Bengals are
they have to win. You'll only go get Jay Flaco
if you feel like anything's better than what we're throwing
out there. Cameron Wolf of the NFL Media is reporting
that Shadoor is going to be number two. My guess
is they go and get out in the street and
they find a guy, either practice squad or a number three.
(03:10):
But that is like, there's never a dull moment with
the Browns, a team that there's no reason we should
pay attention to, except for they had four quarterbacks. Now
they have two, and the two that had experienced as starters,
one who won a Super Bowl, is now playing for
their arch rival, and they're left with Dylan Gabriel and
Shadoor Sanders, who I can't tell you what he's done
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at practice, but you know, up until recently he wasn't
even their scout team quarterback. Then of course last week
he was doing the miming, you know, speaking silently when
asked questions after Dylan Gabriel's name starter. Now he's the
Backup's that's Lane Kiffen early in his career failing up
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from Shadoor Sanders. That's remarkable, that's crazy. It's not crazy, Sam,
It's not crazy.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
It's Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's the Browns.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
The Browns, it's the Browns.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't remember an Indivision trade of a starting quarterback
since Donovan McNabb. McNabb remember, was traded from the Eagles
where he had taken them to the super Bowl to
the then Washington Redskins. And like, wow, that's an interesting
trade you trade Indivision, Like, oh, he's washed up.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Everybody knows what Flacco is.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I don't think he's washed out, but he's obviously not
the player he used to be. But the Bengals are
in such desperate need of somebody who can get rid
of the football, and they do have some talent there.
Think about if your Joe Flacco, you went from having
to worry about a rookie third string quarterback who's a
fifth round draft pick and what he was going to
say to the media to where now you have Jamar Chase.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
To throw the football too.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
That's failing up as well. That's not that's not bad.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's not bad.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Does make sense, but also really interesting. Kirk Cousins hasn't
been moved now. Part of it is Kirk Cousins makes
a lot more money than Flacco is Placo does, but
Kirk Cousins just sitting there as a backup, not doing anything,
whereas Joe Flacco is on the move yet again, and
this going to the Cincinnati Bengals. All right, we'll circle
back to that one in a moment. But oh, you
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had something.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
I'm sorry there, buyer, go.
Speaker 7 (05:29):
Ahead, Yeah, this is This is the interesting thing that
I think about this is you have the Cincinnati Bengals
who just don't want Jake Browning to throw interceptions Like
the numbers are there. Jamar Chase actually had a good game,
maybe a fantasy football perspective, but Chase was at least
a factor against the Lions in a game where Cincinnati
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was playing catchup ball game. The problem is Jake Browning
just keeps on turning over the football. Did it against
the Vikings, did it against the Lions this past weekend.
So you bring in Joe fla who, by the way,
at times is known to turn over the football. And
now you have a forty year old quarterback who moves
even less than Jake Browning and Joe Burrow behind them.
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And it's one of those deals where you say you
do an indivision trade why in the world would the
Browns want to do this for us? Like, why would
they want to do this sort of deal, because it
doesn't make a lot of sense. I do think Cincinnati
had to make a move. I didn't think the Kirk
Cousin scenario was realistic because of the amount of money
that Cousins has on his contract, something that you pointed out.
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But I just don't know if Joe Flacco is the
solution to the problem for Cincinnati at this time. You
just need somebody to maybe have a little bit more
mobility as well. And I just I find it so
intriguing because they're sitting there at two and three and
the division is still up for grabs. We don't believe
in Pittsburgh as much as we do, and they felt
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that this was the route to go, and if the
Browns were willing to do it, you'd have to wonder
why were the Browns willing to do it? And I
also don't think that Shador Sanders is the guarantee to
be the backup quarterback, and it has nothing to do
with Sanders. It would just be surprising to me that
the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be there one
and two. At this point, Bailey's appy is actually on
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the team's practice squad. To me, that makes a lot
more sense if if she.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
If he's the number, if he's the number two. Yes, yeah,
but here's the thing. To have two rookie quarterbacks is crazy.
But as I started by some, it's not crazy.
Speaker 7 (07:39):
It's the Brons, it's the Browns. But what the Browns
are also saying at this point is a week ago,
Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the backup quarterback to
Dylan Gabriel, right because they said that Joe Flacca was
going to be the backup. So after one game, so
in seven days in London, mind you, they've now made
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the decision that Shador is ready for that backup role.
I don't necessarily think that that's the case. I think
we'll find out officially tomorrow on what they're going to do.
But some of the talk about Shadors you pointed out,
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're going to, you know, have him be a snap
away from starting.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I don't think that he's the guaranteed backup at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Again, I don't think so either, but it's the Browns,
and yes, trading and division generally means you think a
guy's washed up. And Flacco is a guy that he
didn't hold it as much as Roethlisberger in his prime,
but has held the ball previously, and you feel like
the Bengals you got to get rid of it quick.
But I'm guessing that their thought is, Hey, we just
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need somebody who's done it, who's been there, done that
can be a veteran, you know, can take a leadership role.
We have enough talent to be decent.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
We just we just had, you know, without burd We're
just not that team.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Like what are I guess your options are your Kirk
cousins and then who else? Who else is a viable
veteran backup who you feel like can plug and play
and you stick them in there and can play within
that offense.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
I mean, let's let's just say, like you called Arizona
and said Jacoby Brissett, But what do you want for
Jacoby Brissette.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Hasn't he been in Cleveland or since that? He's been
in one of them?
Speaker 6 (09:33):
So you know, is.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Jacoby Brissett better than Joe Flacco? Right now?
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (09:38):
I don't know, but I do know that Joe Flacco
threw six interceptions in four games so far this season
for the Browns.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
And that's what you don't want to do if you're
Cincinnati and behind that offensive line you get someone who's
less mobile. I yeah, it shocked me when I saw
that for so many reasons. And I also good on
the Bengals for trying to make a move. I just
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don't know if this was the move that they needed
to make.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So let's
turn to baseball here real quick, because it deserves it.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
It was such a good night.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
The Dodgers up for nothing, give up a couple runs
in the eighth right, and then in the ninth it
got Harry as well. It gets to four to three,
and Dave Roberts did something that So Jay, Dude, take
me through the Sasaki Rookie Sazaki and the decision that
(10:40):
Dave Roberts made and why it was such a big
decision from a guy who's followed every game of the
Dodgers this year.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
Rookie Sasaki is not a closer. There's a different process
for getting ready as a reliever than there was a starter.
Roki Sasaki takes I guess abnormally long periods of time
to get ready as a starter. Dave Roberts obviously didn't
want to use him Last night. They had a four
to nothing lead, so he was thinking, I'm pretty good.
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But then our bullpen blew up, like they do almost
every single night leading leading Last night, the blow up
was Blake Trinan, who I don't even think should be
on the postseason roster. He was so bad this year.
Three hits, two runs, no outs for Blake Tryning, Thanks
for coming, and then Dave is forced to warm up
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Sasaki and bring him in for the final out of
the game. He was obviously not excited to do so.
Tommy Edmon feels a ground ball with a tyn run
at third base and he throws it into the dirt,
saved by Freddie Freeman. Dodgers move on but barely, and
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we go to LA two.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Zero crazy crazy night. Are are you guys a never
butt guy? Like?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Remember if we go back before they change the rules
in baseball, it was like bunting had completely gone away,
and then all of a sudden, now you know you're
seeing people lay down bunds even more. And in that particular, what,
by the way, what an incredible defensive play. Incredible defensive play,
But never bunt guy is still mumbling today, what are
(12:22):
the Phillies doing?
Speaker 3 (12:23):
What are the Phillies doing?
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Speaker 5 (12:39):
The Saki honkers down on the mound, kicks in fires,
turner swings, crown balled.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
A second scooped up by him, and he throws first
dug out by Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
He picks it and saves the game. That's a win
for LA.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Hmmm, yeah, I mean what a great pick by Freddy Freeman.
Now you said he's Steve sacksed it. I think that's
a dated reference. When you saw the throw to second
base buyer from second base, uh to win the game.
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Who is the player that you thought of? In terms of.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
I think everybody thinks na Block Chuck.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Nab Block would be a more recent than Steve Sacks.
And then there's also John.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Well, then we don't remember it.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
John Lester, Yes, well, John Lester was with the Cubs
when he couldn't throw the first base. So there's actually
times where he would throw. He would do underhand, but
then he would throw one couple times he threw with
the glove. He threw the glove with the ball still
in it.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Right. Steve Sacks had that problem as well. Is anybody
recently had that problem where.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They couldn't do the first base, couldn't throw to the
first base before.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Last night, that problem in my head.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Can you imagine if the Dodgers lost on that throw,
what Jason would be like today?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
And they nearly did? Freddy save the day.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
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Speaker 3 (14:17):
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Speaker 6 (14:20):
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Speaker 1 (14:20):
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Reminder of podcast is at the top of next hour.
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Speaker 3 (14:30):
Do do do Do Do Do Do do do do
do at uh about u uh uh.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
We're gonna have a good discussion about Jonathan Gannon apologizing
to Amari Amari uh Demarcado.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It does.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Amaro Demarcado does sound like a baseball player's name, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Here's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Ready, Amrio de Marcado steps in. He was two for
two yesterday. De Marcado or Demarcato could be a picture.
De Marcado wheels deals outside ball one. You know, de
Marcado grew up in the Dominican Republic, but he went
(15:16):
to prep school in Florida. Demarcato wines and delivers another
ball high to Demarcado. Sounds like anyway, that was my that's.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
My uh my.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oral fixation on Major League Baseball's play by play voices
Dave Amari de Marcado. Marty Demarcado is hitting second for
the White Sox.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
Speaking of you just reminded me of a pet peeve
of mine. So I think it's your boy, your guy, right,
Brian Anderson is your guy. He's a buddy, Yes, so
I do. It's not necessarily with him, but he is
the new generation of national broadcasters, Okay, who do these
baseball games. And I've noticed a trend in recent years,
(16:04):
and I've never I've never witnessed this before, so I
don't know why, maybe because it sounds cool. But whenever
a batter swings at a first pitch and flies out
or whatever, they're in ambush mode. You know, like last night,
Freddie Freeman's in ambush mode, swung at the first pitch,
And I'm thinking back in the day, it was just like,
(16:25):
if the best pitch you're gonna get in the pats
the first pitch, just swing at it if you like.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
There are some guys. I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
There are some guys. Isn't that the weirdest thing about
Major League Baseball? There's some guys they just stand at
there and they're you know, and there and they watch,
they watch the first pitch come right down the pipe
and they're just like, you know, they're good. They're chewing
their gum, they're spitting their seeds, they're doing whatever. That
is one of the weird weird things about the sport.
You know, there's not another sport. It's not a sport
where a guy comes in and a great player, they
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get him a wide open three and.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
He's like, nope, I'm going to pass it. But in baseball.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
You'll be standing up there in the first pitch, fastball
right down, and they're like, nope.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
Right, But I think ambush mode is like it just
sounds cool, it sounds dangero a.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's a recent change in how we express the guy
who's gonna swing, you know, swing away on the first pitch.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
But it also is like a thing where broadcasters like
things that make you sound cool, like no doubt, off
the edge wasn't a thing like twenty years ago, but
people love saying off the edge or in space, God space,
possible to tackle in space, in.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Getting ball in space. Well, that's also what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Is they're repeating coach speak or players speak and they
think it hits them up right because they're up there
where we're up there wearing dockers and a button down.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We're trying to feel cool.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
We're like, yeah, one's in ambush but I'm Ari Dve
Marcato is in ambush mode. It is Tuesday. There's lots
of things we may have missed yesterday. Right, we don't
miss the headline stuff. Only so much you can do
and so long you can do it. But we make
sure we circle back on a Tuesday as we play
Tuesday morning quarterback.
Speaker 8 (18:09):
Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Mondays can be overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Get to on Monday.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
This is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Kind of every day is my Tuesday morning quarterback. I
mean that because I turned the microphone off. I get
in my car or whatever, and I'm like, Dad, bless it,
why did I get to that?
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Damn Jay Stu, what do we miss?
Speaker 8 (18:38):
Ester?
Speaker 5 (18:39):
I'll take it from here. I will say this. I
think there's been a change in the bed music. This
is a tad bit more distracting than I want in
my music beds. But that's not we can we have
that conversation off there.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I don't even know why you're having this. You can't hear.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's the problem with me.
Something didn't get to yesterday that I will turned down.
I wanted to get to today. As Justin Herbert, He's
the quarterback of the team that I like the most
in the NFL, and I think Justin Herbert tends to
be because his head coach, Jim Harbab basically thinks he
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walks on water. And I'm not exaggerating. I think he
has actually said that his quarterback walks on water. He
said that one. He's tend to hyperbole when he talks
about how good Justin Herbert is. So I think we
kind of we are conditioned as fans to forgive his weaknesses.
But there's been something that has happened throughout his career
that I've never understood. I think he's one of the
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tallest quarterbacks in the NFL. If I'm mistaken, he's like
six foot six or something, and the guy still gets
way too many passes at the line tipped. He throws
into fingers and arms far too often for a tall quarterback.
Maybe the most consequential one on Sunday was the interception
at the go on. And then he's got this other
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thing that he does. Okay, I'm confirmed. Tallest fourth and
three fourth and three charges go for it and they
decide to pass the ball five yards down the field
is Tucker Fisk. There's a reason why you don't know
who Tucker Fisk is. He's the third tight end on
the on the dupth chart. If he could catch a ball,
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he would probably be the first on the depth chart.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
But By the way, Tucker Fisk is a name that
you need to take your.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Time before you pronounced yes, like I would, just can
encourage people to during our next break, say the name
Tucker Fisk five times quickly have fun.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
Jason grit So, he's five yards down the field and
Justin Herbert as opposed to just a nice touch pass
to get the first down, he hurls this ball. He
hucks it, he like fires it five yards into the
face mask of Tucker Fisk. You yourself, okay, well the
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face mask. That means he could probably catch it, but
it was it was thrown at one hundred miles an hour,
say time down from five yards away to get to
get a three down touchdown. These are things that as
you're watching Justin Herbert week to week, you just get
frustrated with these two qualities. And I felt like Tuesday
Morning Quarterback was the way for me to bring it
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to the surface.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Do you guys remember that song Things that Make You Go,
Things that.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
Make you go?
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (21:34):
If you don't, Rich actually do a Monday segment called
that about the NFL.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Things that make you Yeah, say I like that?
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
C and C music factory.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
I think.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So that's like there's only two songs C and C
Music Factory.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
That factory did not produce much. It produced two different songs.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
Don't quote me on that.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
But so there was something that that I think we
are really missing that happened in last night's game with
the Chiefs and Jaguars. So one of the lasting images
from the Super Bowl was Travis Kelcey not trying right
where we thought that he wasn't giving forth the effort.
(22:17):
He even said that he didn't want to go out
like that, he was going to come back for revenge.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
And so what.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
We've talked about, and you guys talked about it as well,
is Chris Jones' effort on the last play, thinking that
maybe Trevor Lawrence was down, but it wasn't a great
look for Jones because the play kept on going and
Trevor Lawrence gets into the end zone. But when we
talk about the Chiefs and we say, hey, the Chiefs
are going to be all right, Chiefs are going to
be fine, what stood out to me last night was
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what happened when the Chiefs actually got the football in
the final seconds of that game. Because I think the
comeback against the Bills with thirteen seconds. When all is
said and done with the three Super Bowls and what
the Chiefs did, it's that comeback that we will remember
as a top three moment in Chief's history, in Patrick
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Mahomes's history, in Tyreek Hill's career, in Travis Kelcey's career,
to be able to save that game, to force it
to overtime by getting the two completions that they needed
in thirteen seconds to set up the long field goal
to tie it against Buffalo. Now, to think that lightning
would strike twice is a lot to ask. However, when
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you see how the Chiefs handled or didn't handle last
night's game, tells me everything that these aren't the same Chiefs.
These aren't the same Chiefs that we knew going to
the Super Bowl. They had a holding penalty on a kickoff,
so then they were backed up at their own seventeen
still sixteen seconds left one time out. A pass to
Hollywood Brown went off, his helmet wasn't even looking, wasn't
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even looking at the time. Another play ended up almost
getting picked off. They finally got a short pass play
to three seconds where Patrick Mahomes could maybe throw up
a Hail Mary that got to the ten yard line
to even have a chance. But those sort of situations
the Chiefs would execute in clutch situations. And last night
to have a football go off Hollywood Brown's helmet. And
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it's not anything personal about Hollywood Brown, but even Troy
Aikman said on the broadcast that if he catches that
he at least gets to midfield because of the space
and the momentum that he had, and he wasn't.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
He didn't even see the football. I don't even know
if he.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
Knew that it hit him in the helmet, And that
to me was in stark contrast to the successful super
Bowl bound Chiefs teams that we had seen in the past. Now,
they didn't go to a super Bowl that year because
they lost the next week to the Bengals, but still
those thirteen seconds against the Bengals are against the Bills
we all remember, and last night to see how they
operated late told me everything that I needed to know
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about the Chiefs right now this season.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Sam ten twelve am in Hawaii on this Tuesday in quarterback,
I continue to be impressed by the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
Out goes Ben Johnson taking the head coaching job with Chicago.
Out goes Aaron Glenn taking a head coaching job with
the Jets. In comes John Morton from Denver, better known
for his salt and The top scoring offense in the
NFL is the Detroit Lions. If you were to take
out right now, they're averaging thirty four point eight points
per game. If you were to take out that thirteen
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point performance in their opening game of the season and
the loss against the Packers, they're averaging about forty points
a game. I'm impressed. The defense seems to be playing
very very well too.
Speaker 6 (25:36):
Wits.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
This tells me is that Dan Campbell's fingerprints and culture
continue to just control the situation, and they have an
incredible roster of talent. You see the trickery still there
that Ben Johnson was known for the last game against
the Bengals where David Montgomery, who I didn't even know
was a former quarterback, throws a touchdown. Brock Right, They
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are so they will just spread you out. They are
just so with all the different things they can do.
I'm just impressed by the Lions. They're not skipping a beat.
They are uh once again, one of the best offenses
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
How do you guys explain this? And maybe you'll give
me kind of the the obvious answer, but I'm hoping
maybe we could dig a little deeper. How do you
with all the quarterbacks in the entire league, like Joe
Burrow and these guys that just can't stay available, how
do you explain Jared Goff's ability to not get injured? Like,
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what's what's the explanation for that?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
The scheme very good at like Dan Marino was very
good at not getting injured.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
He's Matt Ryan, dude. First of all, he's got a
good offensive line.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Yes, great offensive line.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
It's going to go deeper than that.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Okay, But he gets rid of the ball really quickly.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
It's one of the frustrating things when he was with
the Rams that he wouldn't throw the ball down the field.
But he gets rid of the ball really really quickly.
He's checked down, Charlie.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
I know that Jason wants to move past it, but
I just I don't think that it can be overstated
about their offensive line, because the Lions can beat you
with Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery. They can run all
over you if they want to. They even have Taylor
Decker this past weekend against the Bengals, and they still
were able to dominate. They lost their all pro center
Frank Reignow to retirement this past year and they still
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haven't missed a beat. To Sam's point, I think it's
a great job by Brad Holmes, but I think it's
how they've been their GM to build this team. But
when you have the threat of run and pass, it's
a world of difference. Look at Kansas City, they have
no running game. Cincinnati right now has no running game.
So you have these quarterbacks under pressure to be able
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to just be able to do both. Yeah, Goff gets
rid of the ball quickly. I agree with all that,
but I think it starts up front because he wouldn't
be able to make it through the season if he
didn't have that The Wall of five.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Guys question for you, Dan, you know more skill disision
players than anybody in the building, right because you're like
the fantasy.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
King with the I Want your Flex podcast?
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Did you have was Jacory Krossky merit on your radar
before the weekend?
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Yes, Yeah, he's been He's been around. He was drafted
in leagues, especially when the Commanders traded Brian Robinson to
the forty nine ers. Yeah, yeah, yes he was. He
wasn't named that.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Do you know his story at all?
Speaker 6 (28:27):
I just know that they call him Bill.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
He went to Alabama State in twenty nineteen, like he
just finished college last year. He went to Alabama State
starting twenty nineteen. He's one of those guys like you're
still in college. He was a zero star one hundred
and seventy pound running back. I was reading a article
on him in yesterday, and I bring that up because
obviously you pay any attention. He had one hundred eleven
yards against Yes, the Chargers have a ton of injuries
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on offense, but staple is their defense and they ran.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
All over them.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
But I I gotta be infused in my praise of
dan Quinn. Cowboys defense was one of the best in
the league when he was there. He leaves, their defense
is a disaster. He goes to the Commanders. They go
to the playoffs this year. They start out a little slow.
Jayden Daniels gets hurt as well. He comes back. They
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go be our whole thing is the Chargers. The Chargers
the charge, right, but maybe it should be the Commanders
and dan Quinn granted, you know, Raiders and Giants aren't
great teams. They have the two wins there. They lost
to the Packers on the road, the Packers led, you know, kick.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Off to finish. Then they lose the Falcons on the
road in the close game.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
But I just you know, as we know that the
Eagles are the most talented.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Team in that division and maybe the league.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
We thought, okay, maybe this is a Jayden Daniels year
where he's you know, sophomore slump. Now they're at three
and two. You know, they played three of the last
four at home. They get the Bears at home, two
more on the road, and then a very heavy home
friendly schedule for the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I just, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
In this league we talk about a lot of coaches
for whatever reason, Ashley, we don't talk about Dan Quinn
and what an amazing job he does, so I want.
Speaker 6 (30:16):
To talk about it he does. Is I mean you
have a look at your face. No.
Speaker 7 (30:25):
I think that it's funny because last year at the
Super Bowl I spoke with Austin Eckler and Brian Robinson
who was a Commander at the time and wish he
was he was well. Brian Robinson wished he was anywhere
else except sitting with me doing an interview. He could
not have looked less interested. We even have the photo abage.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
My Robinson to get shot, so I definitely think he'd
much rather be with you than when he was.
Speaker 7 (30:48):
No.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
I think the look on his face was that I'd
rather be getting shot than they sit in with this guy.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
And he had a giant pile of chicken wings in
front of him, like, wouldn't that make you happy?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
To make anybody well, yeah, but he he wasn't. But
the message that was given to me from Austin Eckler
was that dan Quinn had these guys buying into the
commander's nickname, like to take command, like it was a message,
It was a mantra within that building. And so while
we as fans may not like the commander's nickname, dan
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Quinn had the players buying in so much so that
they had warned to the nickname that it became who
they are. And I think that shows dan Quinn as
a leader. And again during that coaching cycle, the last
coach hired. Commanders were gonna interview Ben Johnson, he backed out.
The Seahawks were looking for a coach At that time,
(31:40):
dan Quinn seemed like an obvious fit to return, But
me and many other Seahawks fans were like, no, we
don't want to go back. We don't want more of
the Pete Carroll era, and dan Quinn has got the
dan Quinn era. So I think your point about the
commanders is very well put. He is his own man.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Anybody what else want to get in? No, okay, let's
use the more quarterback.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
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and subscribe. Jase, do I see you on the on
the YouTube channel on the on the zoom page, but
you don't have a camera i'd like, I don't. I'm
not saying anything out of line here, like the ability
to communicate with Dan.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
This is really cool.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
It's not no no video on this computer. And we've
been tasked to monitor your doings.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
My doings, your big brother. Is that what you are? Okay?
I didn't know that I had. I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
John min o'coff will join us upcoming in about five minutes.
I think, Dan, you picked the chiefs right, and then did.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
The three of us Sam, you, me and no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
No.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
Dog and you were wrong. Oh I was also close
to being right.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
You were close to being right.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
You know what's interesting about last there's lots of things
interesting about last night's football game.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
The first is.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Something for my childhood that used to be like an
iconic football play. People have figured out how to defend
it and now it's like you would never tell anybody
to do it. And it's jumping over the pile. Now
I grant you. He's extending the ball and it slipped
out of his hands and got poked. Slipped out of
his hands. I'm talking about Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Was that the first I think was the first quarter.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
But if you think of our childhood and Dan, I
think you can. You can attest to this, Jase, do
you can? It's a little Sam's a little younger than us.
Walter Payton was probably most famous. Do you think, guys
for being the guy who would jump over the pile
and get in the end zone? Was he the one
(34:24):
the most synonymous with it?
Speaker 7 (34:25):
I think yeah, the leaping portion of it. Marcus Allen
was really good at the goal line as well in
that sort of role. But I think that the leap
sweetness is the lasting.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Image, right.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
And now you would never tell a player to leap, like, yeah,
when you leap, you exposed the football. Exposed the football,
they'll poke it out or they'll punch it out, a
rule which Jase dou thinks is going to be changed
in the offseason.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
You maybe right, but you know what is like a
short fire touchdown?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
And then we have all this technology and I actually
think I think they got the call right. I think
they got the call right. But I mean, there's a line,
there's a football. Isn't there a little microchip inside the football?
Wasn't that what we were told last year that they're
going to add the microchip to the football. So shouldn't
we know if it crossed the goal line? Or they
(35:13):
only have the microchip in the football and not in
the goal line.
Speaker 7 (35:15):
They can only do it via the measurements on a
first down, so you can't do it to see if
it's crossed the goal line or not. So like when
they spot the ball instead of bringing out the chain game,
that's how they that's how they figure it out. That's
what it's used for.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's interesting. Baseball has got abs. They won't use it
this year in the playoffs. Football has got microchips in
the football. Is yet they're only going to use it
to spot the ball, not to tell us if it
went into the inZone. But I guess you know, we're
five games in the season. Are you in on the Jaguars?
And how out are you on the Chiefs? And the
thing about the Chiefs is that, yeah, they're helped out
(35:55):
by the fact that the Chargers, you know, have suddenly
looked very human, very beatable, and look, a lot of
it was his injuries. But they've lost the games. There's
no one cares. At the end of the year, Bronco
is coming on strong. Raiders don't look like challengers at all.
But My big question all off season was with the
(36:16):
is the league finally caught up to the Chiefs and
his age finally caught up to the Chiefs. Here's Pat
Mahomes talking about the Chiefs continue to beat themselves.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean it kind of just talks about our whole
entire season. I mean, we I feel like we have
we have the guys, and we've executed at certain points
of game and looked really good, and then we we
kind of crush ourselves with penalties and mistakes and interceptions
and fumbles or whatever that is. I mean, it's just
we've kind of we've kind of done that to ourselves.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
All year long.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's kind of been one guy here there, and in
this league, it's so close that those those change games,
and so we got to be better, you know, we
we we've lost too many games already.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It's interesting because this is a team that fans of
the league thought, you know, there's all those memes with
Pat Mahomes and officials somehow either giving bro hugs or
regular hugs.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
The penalties just killed the Chiefs. Here's Andy Reid, their
head coach.
Speaker 10 (37:10):
Thirteen penalties to their four. Whether I agree with them
or don't, agree with them.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 10 (37:15):
They called them and so you have that many penalties,
you give up field position. You can outstat them to death,
but it doesn't matter. It's a score that matters, and
we've got to take our business.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
There's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. John
Middlecoff's our guests. He's the host of the three Now podcast.
He joins us here on the Doug Gotlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. John was last night more about the
Chiefs or the Jaguars.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
I think it was more about the Jags. I mean,
I think they're pretty good. You know, I didn't know
if it was sustainable the way they beat the Niners.
You know, their defense was like on this just tear
with turnovers. But turns out their defenses as good, I mean,
and they were missing you could argue their best defensive players,
their best defensive linemen. So they're a good defensive teams.
(38:04):
Not totally sold on Trevor Lawrence, but I mean that
throw he made on third and long or third whatever,
what third and eighth, third seven to Brian Thomas for
forty three yards, made another big drow A couple of
plays later, and the effort he had on the run,
I mean not giving up because if he gets sacked
or just tackled, you know, the least two or three
yard line, they don't have timeouts. And he just kind
(38:26):
of willed himself into the end zone, which will kind
of a knock on him. He was like, how much
does he love football? Last night? He was pretty awesome
with his legs. I think achieved a big picture. Are
gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
They're not gonna win fifteen games this year, but I
think when the dust Pedals look at the AFC, I
mean it's a mash unit from an injury standpoint. Some
of the top teams hell even in their division. The
Chargers are in shambells. The Ravens are in shambles. So
my guess would be they're probably more like a ten
win team. But I think they'll be, you know, a
wild card squad that you know, if you're the two seed,
(38:58):
they're the seventh seed. It's not exactly good luck to win.
Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes in round one.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
You mentioned injuries, is that's what that's what's wrong with
the Chargers, same thing with the Ravens or something.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
Else yeah, I mean I think it's even worse. I mean,
you would say the Niners it felt like they had
it the worst, but I think the Ravens now when
you factor in Lamar's out in his impact to that team,
they got no shots. You know who's got it better
than us? Well not the Hardball Brothers because they have
a high fright team. You know, Lamar makes a lot
(39:32):
of money, and a bouquet makes a lot of money.
Roll clamp Smith makes a lot of money, Cale Hamilton,
Marlon Humphrey. You remove all these players, you got no shots.
And I mean part of when you start paying people
in any you know, especially basketball or football, the backups
you're pretty dependent on young players, random practice squad type guys,
and man, they have been housed the last I mean
(39:56):
really out of play. Started with that Lions game, but
the last two weeks embarrassed. I I don't see how
it gets any better. Assuming the Rams are, you know,
healthy going into that game, it could kind of look
the same.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Stut Gottlieb Show Here on Fox Sports Radio, John Middlecoff
is our guest. Joe Flacco traded from the Browns to
the Bengals. So much to unpack but I do think
you know, Buyer brought up a great point, like I
get that you needed anybody other than Browning, But what
(40:30):
does it say that the Browns are willing to trade
him in division to a team they haven't played yet,
They're gonna played twice Joe Flacco washed and the Bengals
are bringing in a washed up quarterback.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
Well, here's the other thing. He can't move, so you
have an offensive line which is horrendous. Browning is a
decent athlete. He's getting destroyed. Well Flacco. You would say,
of all the guys that play in the NFL at quarterbacks,
even the first couple, you know, backups included probably the
worst foot athlete in the league. Need Jacobe were set,
you know, Kirk Cousins like, it's he's a sitting duck.
(41:04):
So unless you're just like one hitch fire go routes
to your two receivers, he's not going to be able
to function any better or something like you said. He's
not like he's playing well in the first place, but
he can't move. So I don't know why through them,
especially with the season. I mean, let's face it's kind
of over why you wouldn't take a chance on someone's
like more athletic young quarterback, maybe especially like on a
(41:26):
practice squad pick up. Now you know they would say, well,
you know, some of these teams that have backups that
are athletic won't trade us guys, which is probably some
truth to that. But I think Flacco solves zero issues. Now,
I think the question mark is the mind the backup
quarterback in in Cleveland or is it Zappi or someone else?
Speaker 3 (41:47):
What do you think happens?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Well, I don't know. I mean I think I would
say probably not. Still, I mean I would expect I
mean they.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Had I don't think you can't elevate him after what
he did last week, even if you think, you know
he thought it was funny.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Kenny Pickets. I mean, we haven't heard from that guy.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
They traded Kenny Pickett?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Right?
Speaker 4 (42:09):
Is Kenny Pickets gone?
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Yeah? Canty Pickett to the Raiders? Right? Was he Raiders
back up? The Raiders?
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Okay? So yeah, I mean I know Zappi has playing experience.
I would not be shocked at all if you if
they announced Bailey Zappy and then then the story grows
again and do you think he minds again? Or was
that a one time deal.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
I think that's a one time deal. I would imagine
we talked about it.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
I mean, his dad's celebrating the mind. It's like, come on, guys,
what are we doing.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I don't, I don't. I just don't get it either.
I just don't get out of Doug Gottlieb Show. Here
on Fox Sports, Trader John Middlecoff is our guest. Three out,
of course is the podcast and the Volume podcast Network.
The Patriots beat the Bills in Buffalo, I said, I
thought it was the biggest win for the Pats since
the pandemic. Right it's like five years. How are they
(43:07):
able to do that to a Bills team that had
looked so unbeatable in Orchard Park.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
I think part of Mike Rabel's value, and he did
this in Tennessee. Now by the you know, Tennessee's like
last good team had a bunch of talent, but early
on he kind of gets guys over achieve and he
uglies up the game and you could feel it right
away some of these turnovers. The game was just ugly.
Six to three and a half, like that is a Rabel special.
He's like, I'm not getting in a shootout with these
(43:35):
guys will lose. I'm not gonna be these guys thirty
five to thirty two. We got to keep it low scoring,
make it kind of uncomfortable for Josh. And their quarterback
played really well, I mean great, probably the best game
of his life, you know, since maybe like sophomore year
in college was awesome. So to me, this is why
you hired Mike Brabel to have a chance in these
(43:58):
type spots when you aren't as good as these teams. Now,
part of it is there's a human nature element to this,
you know, the enormous favorites thinking like what we've been
rolling the past, we're going to continue and now I
think it's the best thing to happen to Sean McDermott one.
You know, you go thirteen and four, you're gonna lose
some games, not all of them. Are just going to
be to the Chiefs for the Ravens, right, and hell,
(44:18):
they beat those two teams this year, or I guess
they haven't played the Chiefs, but they've beaten the Chiefs
the last couple of years. So to me, it's like
you can coach them up now. Also, you get to
take that game when you play him again in New England,
really really seriously, but I think you know they might
have something in Drake May. Now you get the inspired
play from Stefan Diggs, Like I don't quite understand, Like
(44:40):
how Digs got screwed? Wasn't he the guy who wanted out?
But hey, you know, you take motivation however you take it,
and let's fake. And he looked like the guy I
saw at Minnesota years ago playing, So he was unreal.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Steut Gottlig show here on Fox Sports Radio, what's wrong
with the Eagles?
Speaker 4 (45:01):
You know, I'm a big believer that to be a
play caller in football, like the difference of the good
play callers and the bad play callers. Like if you
put Kevin Petola, who's been in the NFL for two
decades now, and Matt Lafleur or McVay or Kyle like
on a whiteboard, I don't think you or me could
tell the difference. He'd be like these guys are geniuses
(45:21):
at football. But there and you know, as like a player,
there's a level of like, God, this guy has all
the physical tools. He should be a great small forward
or he should be a great tight end, And then
you just start playing and he's like, this guy doesn't
have a good feel for the sports. And I think
sometimes it's play callers. It's like it's almost like instincts
as a player, but it as a play caller, and
(45:42):
so they get in the game and they just don't
have a field. There's no evan flowing. Some guys do, right.
You watch Kyle Shanahan's coaching with Mac Jones. He just like,
this guy just knows what he's doing. And you watch
the Eagles guy, which, in fairness, they had Shane Sichin
that was a mate that was a home run higher
Kellen Moore win the Super Bowl, it gets the head
coaching job. So they've hit on some of these guys.
(46:03):
But they also went had Brian Johnson. It was ugly,
and now this is it's not quite as ugly, but
it's a little clunky. And I think it's just, you know,
anytime a guy gets an opportunity to be a play caller,
it's a it's an unknown that no one can quantify
until you start calling plays, and through five games you
would say, I don't know if this guy's got a
(46:23):
long term future calling calling place because it doesn't listen.
Jalin's by no means a perfect player, but holy moly,
they got a lot of good players. You see some
of these guys fail, You're like, well, look who's coaching.
And they got a good offensive line, they got Sagwa Barkley,
they got multiple tight ends, they got receivers for days.
And it's like and that market's tough too, so they
(46:44):
they start kind of the pressure starts falling on you.
How we starts looking at you a little weird. The
owner starts looking at you wear from the players because
they know what it looks like. So he just he's
got to have a game where he just calls a
bunch of touchdown plays and we look up and they
got thirty five points. Maybe that's get right. Thursday night
game against the Giants. The problem is Thursday night game,
especially as the season goes, they usually can be a
(47:05):
little clunky. So it probably won't be this Thursday, but
everyone's going to be paying attention, so it's going to
be a huge story if they even if they win
like seventeen to seven.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
That's John Middlecoff, NFL analyst host the Three and Out podcast,
and you can hear that in the Volume podcast network.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
John great stuff. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
Thanks Doug se
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