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On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug and the crew debate whether or not Aaron Judge's big homerun in the 4th inning of game three of the ALDS was or should be his career post-season signature moment. 

On this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew mention their favorite signature moments by great baseball players.

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(01:15):
Of course, played nine years major League baseball. I want
to start with last night's Aaron Judge home run. Actually,
let's just get this out of the way so we
can get the call out of the way and then
talk about all the layers to the home run. The
Yankees were down three runs. It was in the fifth inning,

(01:37):
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Speaker 2 (02:02):
Here's the pitch, high flight ball, deep left field, down
the left field line.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It is off the fair pole. Hey now, hey, now hey.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Now three m overhead and judge, this game is tired.
It's six sex.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Unbelievable, unbelievable talent in an Aaron Judge. That ball was
one hundred miles an hour with a late movement on
his hands, and he put that thing what would have
been him now for the foul pole into the third
deck right down the line, just an absolute rocket. So

(02:38):
it's caused some people to go, Aaron Judge, that's his moment.
Matter of fact, Joe Davis on the call on Fox said,
if it goes, if it's fair, it's his moment. It
was his moment. Jason Stewart, on the other hand, who
of course said that Mookie Betts was not clutched before
Mookie Bets became clutched last year, Like, it doesn't really

(03:02):
eliminate all of the This is a nothing game in
comparison to CS games or World Series games and real
clutch games, and so it doesn't count on the Jason
Stewart scale of clutchness. Is that about right, Chase two?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I never said anything about questions, I understand, but yeah,
this is Everyone thinks this is a signature moment. In fact,
Cowherd opened his show this way you need.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
A moment last night. Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I think that that's an amalgamation of like all the
blue check marks on Twitter last night who said, finally
Aaron Judge has delivered his postseason moment.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
I don't know, man, I just do I think this
is this should be his final moment like no, but
they were down three runs. It was looking bleak. The
Yankee starting pitching, which is supposedly their strength, has gotten
lit up in all three games. And Aaron Judge is

(04:11):
the guy who with one swing can kind of even
the playing field. And he did. And it wasn't It
wasn't a tater, it wasn't a hung slider, it wasn't
a bad pitch. It was a nearly impossible pitch to
do what he did, and he did it. Anyway, do
I think it's his signature moment that forever is going

(04:33):
to last. No. Do I think we should diminish and
say well, because it's in the DS, it doesn't measure
up with the World Series and CS. I also think
the word is no because the pressure is still the
same Jason. It's still on you to perform or your
team likely goes home, and he did perform. Now, baseball

(04:57):
plays out usually in larger sample sizes, although the small
sample size of the playoffs is what matters to most
of us, and we still have to see exactly what
it looks like for Aaron Judge the rest of his career.
So again, I don't think it's this. It shouldn't be
the seminal moment of his career. But we were waiting

(05:21):
for not just a home run, but one that actually mattered,
and we got one last night. I don't know that
felt like it changed the entire series. That felt like
it changed the entire playoffs. Now to your point, they
lose in Game four, he strikes, he gets the golden sombrero,

(05:41):
and did it really do anything? But if you build
on it, that's the moment where the hit started coming.
That's the moment when the homer started coming. That's the
moment that Aaron Judge regular season starts being Aaron Judge postseason.
That's where I would sort of meet people halfway that
you may find that Jay Stude to be a fence sitter.

(06:01):
That's just the reality of it. It's no different than
Mookie Betts last year. Is that you can't get your
second home run in the DS until you get your first.
You can't become a clutch player or a guy who
gets big hits until you get your first. And he
got him last night. Isn't anybody who watched that game,

(06:22):
and I was watching that game who didn't think, oh
my feels totally different. Now one swing of the bat
and a really difficult pitch to hit. Can it go
out the window? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Of course.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right. It's just like you know, if you come back
from way behind, you force overtime and then you lose
in overtime, it's like, well, you know, it was a
great player, But does it really change things? I think
for Aaron Judge, the fact that that's his moment to
this point shows how disappointing he's been the playoffs. It
doesn't become a triggering moment if it doesn't trigger a

(06:59):
bunch of other eight things. But if it does, I
think that's the moment things turned. That's the moment things flipped.
That's the moment that the Blue Jays understood they're facing
an unbelievably dynamic lineup, guys in front, guys behind, and
if you make a mistake, and that wasn't even a
mistake to a guy like Aaron Judge, he's going to

(07:21):
change the entire game.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Dan Barr, what do you think, Well, I look at it.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
If the Yankees lose today, then everybody who talked about
this being a moment looks silly. And I don't think
that there's a lot on the line for people in
calling this this historic moment, the call last night of
being his moment, mind you, for a team that has

(07:46):
won twenty seven World championships. But we're going to do
it again, as it's been stated in Game three of
the American League Divisional Series in a best of five.
I just think it's a prisoner of the moment scenario.
Judge is hitting what five hundred in this postseason right now,

(08:06):
and it felt like it felt like those who are
supporting Judge and maybe wanting to say, look at what
Aaron Judge has done, They're like, Okay, now do you
see it?

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Now? Do you see it?

Speaker 5 (08:17):
And I think it's the fault of people who didn't
see it previously. This home run was a great moment
last night, but I want to see if it does
change the tide. Does it become Dave Roberts stealing second base?
In Game four? Do the Yankees go on a run?
And I just don't think that the people that are

(08:38):
saying on what a great magical moment it is think
that it's a Dave Roberts moment. I think they just
want to say it now and then if the Yankees lose,
it just goes off into the atmosphere and nobody really
talks about it again. But because I don't think that
a home run in Game three of an Alds is
the moment.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Take that one step further, Doug, if this is his
signature moment that at the end of everything, we look
back on this career and say, oh, and he also
hit a three run homer to tie a game in
the fourth inning of a divisional series. That's going to
be an indictment on the Yankees for not cashing in
having one of the top two people in baseball for

(09:19):
ten fifteen years, Right.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, right, So I feel like Dan and I are
saying the same thing. Are you coming around to what
we're saying.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Jason, I don't think last by the way, I don't
think last night was magical. If you thought, if you
took that from that, Dan was not saying what you
were saying. Yeah, yeah, Dan is.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
More measured, a more measured version of what I was saying.
But this was one moment in time that people overreacted
to due to a recency bias.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
Yes, and I don't think that people are saying I
think that like the day that I used the Dave
Roberts example, because did we really think the Red sid
we're going to be able to come back and win
that series when he had the stolen base.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
No.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
No, And so now we look back and say, ah,
that's the moment. Now people want to have receipts, they
want to tweet out, they want to say, hey, I
called it. This turned it around, because Doug, if it
does happen, guess what they call it. They know baseball.
If not, it just goes off into the to the
to the Netherlands. I just not not Holland. But you

(10:25):
know what I mean, it's it's just such an overreaction.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
They say Netherlands, not Netherlands. So I think you're.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
Okay, okay, I just yeah, I just think it's a
complete overreaction.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
I can't stand this world. People are intolerant of other
cultures and the Dutch.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Powers.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Right, yeah, very nice, very nice. I think you guys
are diminishing it. Last night, I just do that. Yankee
Yankee Yankee Stadium. They were ready to revolt, they were
ready to walk out. You know those are there's like
the greatest fans ever, really the worst. They can just

(11:06):
turn on you in a heartbeat. And the natives were restless,
and if Aaron Judge strikes out swinging in a bad pitch.
Then you know, then the stadium empties early, and he
took a pitch which you shouldn't be able to do
what he did. And I mean, I was, ironically like
I had. I was texting back and forth with Holiday

(11:28):
and he called me right after that. I was like,
was that a miss? He's like, no, he was a
great pitch. Just a guy turned on a one hundred
mile an hour fastball with late movement and put it
in the parking lot and kept it fair. Like that
was crazy. So I maybe it's that I'm swayed by
the skill that it takes to hit such a ball.

(11:50):
Maybe I'm swayed by the fact that I feel the
the energy. I felt the energy of Yankee Stadium shift,
and you had to ask yourself, like, how many other
opportunities you're going to get with Aaron Judge up with
run with ducks on the pond, you know, and a
chance to one swing change the game, any one swing

(12:10):
change the game. I don't know. I thought it was
a gigantic, gigantic play in the context of the game
and the series, in terms of his overall career. I
totally agree with you Dan that if it's left out
there and they lose today and he strikes out or whatever,
and it's bad, then and I would even agree with
with Jason if if that is the best moment of

(12:31):
his playoff career when he's done playing baseball, what a
disappointing career he's had, and what a disappointment for the Yankees, right.
I don't think it obey that way. I just wonder
if this will turbo charge them to win the series.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I will say this, and I think Yankee fans will
agree with me. I think, as you know, Sam often
likes to say, Steve Covino would be enraged by this conversation.
He's a big Yankee fan. But I think even Steve Covino,
of Covino and Rich would admit this night okay. And
I'm I'm even willing to say it's still the same

(13:04):
that it is a signature play. Aaron Judge's signature postseason
play was him dropping the ball in the fifth inning
of the World Series last year. There have been t
shirts made about him dropping the ball on centerfield. That
was his signature play, and I think it will remain
as signature play if the Yankees lose today.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
I think it's fair. I don't know, dropping the ball.
I think it's fair that he's kiss he had a
disappointing career, even though, as Dan point out, he's hitting
the hell of the ball this year.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I was just gonna say, like,
think of it, think about that, because I think this
is a great comparison. Barry Bonds was amazing in two
thousand and two, Right, Giants don't win the World Series,
Angels do with the Pirates exactly what do we remember?
Couldn't throw out Sid Bream? Yeah, that's that's from deep shortstop, right, Like,
So to say that, like, I don't think that's fair

(13:57):
to Judge because I don't think that they win the
series anyway. But in that moment, like when we look
back at how we look back at Barry Bonds and
all the greatness, I just I'd rather I think that
that's the reality of it. I don't think that's fair
to Judge. I don't think it's fair for people to
say that Judge hasn't performed when he's hitting five hundred
in the postseason, like that's that's absurd. But I think

(14:19):
that there are parallels to Barry Bonds in if to
what Jason's saying and what he did defensively, because we
still look back at the NLCS Game seven in Atlanta,
we do.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
All right, Let's we'll continue this conversation throughout the show.
Give us your thoughts at Gottlieb Show on Twitter at
Gottlieb Show on Instagram. It does feel like it's one
and a half against one. I get that Dan is
more in the in Jason's pocket a little bit in
terms of the argument, but I think Dan is a
little bit more towards the middle, whereas Jason is like, Eh,

(14:53):
it doesn't mean nothing.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Ever said that, never said. It doesn't mean nothing. I
specifically said out loud, and can go back to the tape.
It was an amazing moment last night, amazing moment, and.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
You have to back it up with with more. You
have to back it up with more.

Speaker 5 (15:11):
Right if he does that, I'm saying in game, in game,
you know six of a World series, down three to two,
in the bottom of the eighth inning or bottom of
the nineteen.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
You're not going to get to that unless you're this
is Look, this is a belief. It has nothing to
do with the Yankees and with Aaron Judge it's the
There was a game that the Cardinals on the way
to win the World Series where I'm trying to think
it was shoot one of their righties, who's the writing.
That was a they called Uncle Charlie with the big

(15:45):
curveball when they beat the Phillies in Game five and
they tore off his uniform. Afterwards the Cardinals did in
celebration and it was like a one nothing game and
it was like a daytime game. This is back when
the Cardinals end up winning the World Series against the
Texas Rangers, and I was like, that was an incredibly

(16:07):
clutch pitching performance and it was against like Roy Halliday,
I think was pitching for the Phills and no one
remembers it because it was a Friday. There was a
bunch of football on a Saturday Sunday. It wasn't the
World Series. But you can still be crazy clutch and
perform in an elimination game or in this case, when
you're down three runs. Maybe that's huh. It was it

(16:30):
was it Wayne?

Speaker 6 (16:30):
Right? Was it?

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Wayneo?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Confirmed with Ryan Berchenary said Adam Wayne Wright.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, I think it was Adam Wayne Wright, and I
want to say, like Adam Waynwright pitched like a one
hitter or something crazy and they tore off his uniform
in celebration. So that's where this comes from. And it's
like the Okay, wait, so your clutch them, but you're
not clutch when you pitch in the CS of the
World Series. I don't believe in that. I think Aaron
Judge stepped up and saved his team last night. They

(16:57):
do they have to build on that, sure, does it
all or not yet? If do? I agree with you
Jason that if that's the last, if that's the biggest
moment in his playoff career, then he has a disappointing career.
But you can't get to more chances for those moments
unless you do what he did last night. And I
thought that the save their team.

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(18:07):
Jason Stewart. R. J. Young is going to join us
in like twenty five minutes. We'll also talk about this
Jonathan Gannon fine, which I think I think people's take
on it is so far off, but again that's my opinion.
What do I know. I'm just a coach. Anyway, We'll
get to that, but first let's get to the midway.

(18:31):
He's not getting the middle with you.

Speaker 7 (18:34):
It's time for Stuck in the Middle. The midway.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay, the midway. Every week, this is the middle of
the week, the middle of the day, the middle of
our show because we have a one hour podcast after
that goes live after this show, So we come up
with a topic. Sometimes it's sports, sometimes it's not. It's
something to get you through those middle of the week blues.
Jay stew what's topic today?

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.

Speaker 7 (19:01):
I'll take it from here.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
So I do want to do some what is it
called house cleaning bec Because of the nature of this program,
we basically did the content I had scheduled for right now.
We did it to open the show, and I want
to do some house cleaning on that.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
First.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
The top of the show was Doug basically coming out
saying that Aaron Judge's moment was spectacular, not to be diminished,
and it was an impossible pitch to hit out and
we should appreciate it more. I came out on the
side of if this is the signature moment for Aaron Judge,
it's an indictment on the Yankees. I think Dan's opinion

(19:43):
was somewhere close to mine, but probably much more articulately
put from Brant Oliver. Seems like I'm leaning more towards
Doug's side of this argument. However, I've yet to hear
anyone bring up Judge was a triple away from hitting
for the cycle. And was strong a third trying to
get it. That would have been his moment. Hey, Brent,

(20:04):
thanks for listening. You're wrong. Nobody would have remembered the
triple as a cycle making his moment, but I appreciate
you listening. This one from Happy for Life seven. Happy
for Life seven says one thousand percent agree with Jason.
The call moment itself was cringey and so forced. This

(20:27):
is the LEDs. They're down two following zero other big
moments in the past, about two or three moments from
this one is his true one, especially if tonight is
a dud.

Speaker 6 (20:38):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
So to catch the listeners up here who missed that
first hour and you could always podcast it on the
iHeartRadio app. Aaron Judge had an amazing moment last night
hitting a ball off the foul pole, fair pole as
Mike Lingard keeps screaming at us fair pole. And it
was a really cool moment and I loved it. It's

(21:02):
it's not his signature moment, and everyone on Twitter seemingly
wanted to give that to him. In fact, Colin cowhert
let off the show by saying this today, you need
a moment last night.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Aaron Judge, Yeah, finally had his moment.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I disagree. I hope that's not his moment. For the
sake of his career and the future of the Yankees,
I hope it's not his moment. But I thought to
think about, like, what are some great signature moments in
baseball's postseason history by great players where you're like, oh,
of course, Like when you mentioned his accolades, you're like, oh,

(21:42):
and he did. This example, Joe Carter amazing, had a
great career. It fell short of the Hall of Fame,
but if you'll get Joe Carter's numbers, they're very comparable.
It was pre steroid era Joe Carner's. Joe Carter will
always be remember for hitting that World Series winning home

(22:04):
run off Mitch Williams and the ninth minute, right signature moment,
hands down, without a question. So that's my contribution to
today's Midway, Joe Carter hitting a World Series home run
the last time the Jay has won the World Series,
by the way, I.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Mean, I think I'll give you one. And I don't
know how we view him in terms of his clutchness,
but it's it's eerily comparable on some level to the
Aaron Judge home run, Bayer, you can help me out
with this. Poolholes hit a home run off of against

(22:40):
the Houston Astros, and at the time I think it
was in the DS. Now it was a walk off
home run, right.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
It was a walk off home run.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
I thought it was in the the NLCS.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
It may have been, Yeah, it may have been. But
he hit home run against the Astros. I'm trying to
think because the closure was later he bounced rund he
like he didn't recover for several years. Then he ultimately
won series. It was Brad Lidge, right. Brad Lidge at
the time was I don't know if he's best closure
in baseball. He's in the conversation and Brad Osmis was

(23:22):
his catcher. And I remember the story that the next
day they were flying to Saint Louis for the series
and Ausmus grabbed the microphone. Is like, you're looking outside
the window, you can see the home run that Albert
pool Holes, right, And it was he was trying to
bring levity to it and it kind of backfired, and

(23:44):
Lydge was a mess for like a good year and
a half. He got it together and I think wasn't
with the Phillies wasn't it Ei their closure when they won.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
The World Yes, yes, he did not blow a save
that year.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Right, he was so but it took him a while.
That's my that's the biggest album pool hoolest moment I
can think of in the World Series or I think of,
and he not in the World Series, but that was
an un I mean the fact that he hit the
ball out of the building. Yes, it was incredible.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Astros go on to win the series.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
They lose to the White Sox in the World Series
that year, but yeah, that that moment stands out. Brad
Lidge was the guest that I was able to track
down because he got the final out of the eight
World Series and I was able to track him down
for Fox Sports Radio as they beat the Rays in
a in a rain delayed game that they had to
resume in the sixth inning. I'll give you another name

(24:35):
because I think that it was a name that we
all loved growing up, most people loved, and it was
Kirby Puckett of the Minnesota Twins Game six, nineteen ninety
one World Series and just too yeah for the game.

(24:55):
The the home run is that Jack buck with the
with the call, So yeah, Kirby Pucket.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
That's a great one. Hall of Famer by the way,
So he had an abridged career because he got hit
in the eye. Right, goes to the Hall of Fame,
and then I remember him. This is his signature moment
with me. That scathing article written about him.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
And like he's just like the worst human being everone.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
Oh my gosh. So it's hard to look past those
details at that amazing home run and a great career.
He was fun to watch. What was he like? Five
foot two?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, I'm going to get the official measurements.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I mean he could take Al two bay in the post. Right,
he's bigger than Ol two Bay.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
If who's Al two B and Kyler Murray had a baby,
it would be Kirby Pucket.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Clayton Kershaw's signature moment.

Speaker 6 (25:54):
Is what.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Now do you have one?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I'm asking, I'm asking masking Jay stew He's seen every
every game, every inning he's pitched.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
I think for the purpose of this exercise, if one
doesn't readily come to mind, that means he's disqualified. He
is going to go his career unless he unless he
has one this this October, he's going to go to
his career with that, that one signature moment, and I
think so that kind of adds to the conversation about
his postseason legacy.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Was five eights according to Baseball Reference.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, so it's five o' five.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
He was three inches.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Yeah, you always have to take three inches off of
the internet. Ask any woman that's been on tender pause.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Uh, Jeter, it's the it's the what is it? The scoop.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
That of the dive headfirst down and the.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Dive, the dive into the stands.

Speaker 5 (26:53):
But the scoop was postseason, right, was the dive postseason? No,
that was a regular season game? Which was the dive
into the stands? Was a regular season game?

Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (27:05):
Really yes, But the scoop was playoff game right against
the A's.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, that one I remember again specifically against the A's.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
So Gibson is maybe the top of the Mount Rushmore here.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
It's literally the greatest baseball moment in my life.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
It's like one of those things. I think, guys that
if Gibson ever made the Hall of Fame and they're
letting everybody in nowadays post humus, whatever the word is,
if I think on his plaque will be a reference
to the home runoff Eckers. But I mean, how many
Hall of Famers could have an actual moment in the
paragraph that sums up their career, You know, like Willie

(27:45):
Mays is in the Hall of Fame. His signature moment
is the nineteen fifty four catch running away from home
plate four hundred and twenty five feet from home plate.
But that catch is not in the summary of his
Hall of Fame career. It's not It is not on
the plaque.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
No oh, in the unplaque in the play Okay.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
I was actually on TikTok within the last twenty four
hours and came upon this Goose Gossage sound bite how
the Padres are facing the Tigers in the eighty four
World Series and Gossage is about to be pulled and says, no,
I've been really really good against this guy. I've been
really really good. At first pitch, Gibson homers and seals

(28:26):
the deal for the Tigers. They win in nineteen eighty four.
So for Gibson to have two World Series home runs
the U is even more spectacular. But to start, contrast
of how we look at Gibson to what Joe Carter
did in winning the World series, Gibson set the tone.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
Eckersley was game one.

Speaker 6 (28:48):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
Yes, the injury, the dramatics of it, but in the moment,
I think it's difficult to top what Joe Carter did
into hitting the walk off to win it all.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
That's absolutely true. So I've always had my theory about this.
It's the Hollywood thing because it happened in Hollywood. It's
a Hollywood story. It is more magnified. What happened in
Philadelphia or Toronto is less significant in the grand scheme
of things narrative wise. But you're right, Joe Carter's was
the winning home run in a World series. Kirk Gibson

(29:25):
just started the series one zero. But if you factor
in everything, if you like explained it to your grandkids,
Eckersley had not walked one batter the entire season, and
he walked about it in front of Kirk Gibson. Eckersley's
era and his whip were almost zero the entire season.
It was a true David and Goliath. The A's had

(29:47):
won like one hundred and ten games. The Dodgers were
not that great. I think Bob Cossis famously said it's
the worst lineup to ever play in a World Series.
So when you take those storylines, it kind of makes
sense why Gibs has kind of tested the oh.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
I was gonna, hey, do you guys want to hear
Mike Trout's greatest postseason moment?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Please?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
I want to hear it again. And I'm an angel fan.
There there is one other part of this that we
should probably bring up. It's that the reason there's a
reason that so many of these guys that were great players,
that are Hall of Famers don't have these moments because
I think those moments actually don't represent who the best

(30:36):
players are. Like David Freese had two home runs for
the Cardinals in Game six, Game six of the World Series,
and they're both down to the last strike. I mean, David
Freese his career flamed out afterwards. Like oftentimes, the hitting
hero is not the superstar, it's somebody on the superstar.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
That's the one thing that's that's unique about baseball.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Well, the other side of that coin is is that
most Hall of famers never even get postseason chances. I mean,
how many.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Like Croud he got three chances against Kanctate Chiefs, the
kans City Worlds and that's.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It correct, And it's like that, it's a long list
of people in the Hall of Fame that never even
got a chance for a moment. That's why it's so
unique that we're talking about this today. To have a
Hall of Fame player have a amazing moment in the postseason.
Everything has to come together. I mean Reggie Jackson's three

(31:39):
home runs in seventy seven and that the game against
the Dodgers, not one moment, but everyone associates Reggie with
those three home runs against the Dodgers in Game six
of the World Series.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
I would also say that there's interesting there's names that
pop up so like like Dye Chavez on the Mats,
Like you think of the you know, robbing the home
run in the NLCS in a game that they lost, Okay,
like the Cardinals went on to win the World Series,
but like that play is one that is still fondly

(32:13):
remembered by by many, even Mets fans. Luis Gonzalez, I
don't think you think anything but Game seven, two thousand
and one, right, like Edgar Rinteria ninety seven and winning
it for the Marlins. There's just names that I think
that that pop up and you immediately think of those

(32:38):
individual single moments.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Like Pedro Martinez is probably the best picture of my lifetime.
That's what I think, Like I think, I think Pedro
Martinez the best picture I've ever seen. I've seen throw baseball. Again,
I don't I don't think that means he was and
I don't study, but like in terms of dominance of
a picture, because he had all the different things. He
was a pitcher who also had overwhelming stuff, right, whereas

(33:03):
like Maddox was more about pitching as opposed to arm talent.
I think Randy Johnson was unbelievably dominant, but a lot
of that was just the power size. You know, he
could reach halfway to home plate when he's throwing a baseball.
Pedro had all of it right, unbelievable movement, multiple pitches,
and then great power, great stuff. But his signature moment

(33:28):
is probably when he got lit up by the Yankees
in three Isn't it? Like he had other moments, but
that's he had moments with the Indians when he was
in the playoffs where he was the best pitcher in
baseball and it was freaky stuff. The Indians just weren't
that good. So when he pitched, they won, and when
he didn't pitch, they didn't. Yeah. Does Pedro have another

(33:55):
signature moment?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
No? No, no, Again, you're proving kind of the point of
the exercise here. If you can't think of one, he
doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
No, I can think of one. The one I can
think of as a negative. That's the thing that Petron
I just going back out there in the seventh inning.
Grady Little shakes his hand, then tells him he's going
back in, goes back in and gets lit up.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, and that's his moment, just like Aaron Judge's signature,
a moment I think is an Aaron center field but
pitched for the Indians, right pro No, he pitched against
him a lot.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Go ahead, No, I was.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
I was just gonna say, I think that there's one
name and io was. Sam brought it up in the
break twenty ten that we stand out we lost them
too early. But Sam, you mentioned a guy like Roy
Halliday who had the uh the no no.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, his sons just throw out the first pitch in
Game two.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Ryan Berschinger actually helped me.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
He came up with that, so I should give him
credit for that.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yeah, No, that was but he had a perfect game
that year and then throws the no hitter. I mean,
and you think of all of that. I mean, they
have a postseason no hitter only him.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
And and at Wainwright game, he pitched incredible. He gave
up one run I don't even know if it's earned
and lost that game. Well, that's the thing, to give
up one run to the Cardinals lose, and like nobody mentioned,
somebody cares well.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
You talk about starting pitchers, You've mentioned two in this segment,
Kershaw and Pedro Martinez. Like how hard is it to
have a signature moment? If you're a starting pitcher, you
literally have to do what Roy Halliday did and pitch
the entire game. Otherwise, who's going to remember you striking
out the side in the fourth inning of a big game?

(35:40):
I mean, Don Larson's perfect game is a perfect example.
Larson wasn't a Hall of Famer, but he threw a
perfect game in the World Series. It's never happened.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
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Speaker 7 (35:54):
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Speaker 1 (36:06):
Doug Gottlieb Show hereon Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday, the
news of the day was Joe Flacco is traded from
the Browns to the Bengals. Doesn't even have to leave
the state of Ohio, doesn't have to leave the division.
Bengals desperately needed a quarterback. Odd fit, no doubt right,

(36:27):
and Flacco earlier in his career, if you go back
to his days at pitt at Delaware, was actually he's
actually pretty athletic. But you know, at this age and
the longer he's played, the more of a statue he's become.
But behind that offensive line that seems like a stretch.
On the other hand, he's a veteran, he's won a
Super Bowl, He's dealt with these some of these sorts
of situations in Indie and obviously putting out fires in Cleveland.

(36:51):
I guess it makes sense. Is best available? Anyway, Yesterday
there was one report that Shador Sanders was going to
be the number two quarterback, member he wasn't the number
two quarterback before this. It was actually Joe Flacco because
dal and Gabriel had been named starter. Gabriel was solid
as as a first time starter. Although they lost this
past weekend. Here's Kevin Stefanski, head coach of the Browns.

(37:14):
When who's ask something, Oh, oh, go ahead, I'm sorry,
Jase to.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
So on the point that you were just making that
one report yesterday, Cameron wolf of NFL Network, right, and
people started to just run with that that that was
sh Shauduur's gonna be number two. The one guy that
didn't was Dan Byer, Like from the second we put
it on the group text, Dan was not believing Cameron
Wolfe's report that Shaduur was going to be number two,

(37:39):
and he said something like this on the air about it.

Speaker 5 (37:45):
And I also don't think that Shador Sanders is the
guarantee to be the backup quarterback. And it has nothing
to do with Sanders. It would just be surprising to
me that the Browns would have two rookie quarterbacks be
there one and two. At this point, Bailey Zappi is
actually on the team's practice squad. Sure to me, that
makes a lot more sense if if she.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
If he's the number if he's the number two, yes, Well.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
What the Browns are also saying at this point is
a week ago Shadoor wasn't good enough to be the
backup quarterback to Dylan Gabriel, right, because they said that
Joe Flakka was going to be the backup. So after
one game, so in seven days in London, mind you,
they've now made the decision that Shador is ready for

(38:32):
that backup role. I don't necessarily think that that's the case.
Some of the talk about Shador, as you pointed out,
wasn't even doing scout team stuff for them. So now
they're gonna, you know, have him be a snap away
from starting. I just I don't know, okay, So.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Dan Bayern NAILI it go ahead, Dan.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
I just he may be named this backup later this week,
whatever the case is, but it's not a guarantee. And
I think everybody jumped to the conclusion yesterday that Shador
is going to be the backup.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
I just didn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Okay, Let's take a listen to Kevin Spancy, he's head
coach of the Browns, when he was asked about shouldor.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Sanders decided if Shador is going to be your number
two active quarterback for this weekend?

Speaker 6 (39:19):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, first I'd tell you is that Joe Trade took
us by surprise. That was not something that we saw coming.
You know, they called us and you know that's uh.
It was happened very fast and happened not too long ago.
So still working through all roster type of things. I
just I always have to be mindful of our players

(39:40):
and our players' development, and you know, I want to
make sure that I'm always doing what's best for our
players and of course our team. But you know, with
young players, I'm always thinking about last week making the
change with to Dylan. You have to think long and
hard about that because these are these are young players
that you're so invested in their development. So I'll let
the week play out, make a decision later on that.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I'm gonna tell you what I think. I think he's
waiting to see if he gets his way, right. I
think you could you could hear or maybe he couldn't
that he agrees with you, Dan. He gotta have a
veteran guys to back up. You gotta have somebody who's
done it before you got it. But he also has

(40:27):
an owner who very likely made the call for them
to draft Shodoor Sanders. And I think he's like, I'll
let you know at the end of the week, right,
because if he had his way, he would go like, no,
I'm gonna put Sappy at two, He'll be at three,
and that's how we'll go. But he also wants to
keep his job, and you will not keep your job

(40:49):
if you say something which directly contradicts the owner. And
more than a very a very strong guess is like
you said, he didn't know the Flacco thing was coming.
He didn't see it coming, and by the time he
told about it, he's like, well, I got it. What
am I doing? I don't even know yet. I know
what I want to do, but I can't do it

(41:09):
unless I get approval from the owner. All Right, we'll
circle back to that in a moment. First, I want
to welcome in Dougie Glanville. He does a great job
calling games on ESPN with Boog Shamby. Of course, Boog
is the voice of the Cubs during the regular season.
Tonight you'll hear him on ESPN Glanville. Of course, Doug
played nine years in the majors. Longtime baseball writer commentator.

(41:33):
As well, he launched his own website called Welcome to Glanville. Doug,
Take me to last night. What does Aaron Judge's home
run mean to you about Aaron Judge's career.

Speaker 6 (41:48):
A lot on one home run, I'll tell you, But
I think I was so blown away by his ability
to do what he did on that pitch. But I've
taken polls. I'm going around the stadium here at Wrigley's
and asking, like, you know, Pat Murphy, I've asked Justin Turner,
I've asked Craig Counsel. I mean, it just makes no
sense what he was able to do with that ball

(42:10):
on so many different levels. So whether it was like
the swing that changed the century, I don't know, But
that's the moment if you don't understand the greatness of
Aaron Jude as a hitter, that's the moment that he
needs to look at to show that he not only
blew away the fans and the timing of it, but
blew away like all of major League Baseball as of
what this guy's capable of doing, because that just made

(42:32):
no sense whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
It's funny. I was I was talking with Matt Holliday
like five minutes after we're just really close friends, and
he essentially said the same thing.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I was like, was that a miss? He's like, no,
he just hit one hundred mile an hour fastball off
his hands into what would have been the third deck.
He's like, that's who does that? Right, who does that?
We're in the We're in the middle of this argument
over what it means, right. I agree with you like it.
It's not the end all be all of his career.

(43:04):
But does it change the narrative on his postseason success
if and only if they build on that on that
hit last night?

Speaker 6 (43:16):
Yeah, well, yeah, there's a narrative, and I think that's
the key word, right, narrative. And it's really tough to
match the narrative around small samples or moments when you
don't necessary have all the context, right, I mean, it's
still a small sample. I mean, you're hitting five hundred now,
so you're not going to hit five hundred during a
regular season, but it's a different season. And look, I

(43:37):
didn't have a whole lot of postseason experience, but you know,
I was one for one with a triple in the NLCS,
so I don't know what that makes me. It was
a game win he hit, so you know, yes, you
do feel like there's moments that you personally internally feel
like you're rising to the occasion. You feel locked in.
There's moments where you feel like you're kind of melting
and don't want to admit it. You have all that,

(43:59):
and someone like Aaron Judge, who's on this type of stage,
who's performed as he has year after year, who's in
this conversation of like great right handed seasons of all times.
The expectation in New York especially is nothing other than winning,
and if you're not doing that at the level you
did during the season, then the questions are going to come.
And I'm sure he and his team understand that. But

(44:20):
the results is what speaks, especially in places like New York,
and there's such an iconic franchise that has won everything
under the sun historically, but the last couple of twenty
years it's been kind of, you know, empty, and it's
been throughout his whole career. So that's where the questions
come from. But it is somewhat narrative, and when it's narrative,
you can rewrite your own story. And I think that

(44:41):
that's we'll see if that moment is exactly that.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
What's happened to the Yankees pitching.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
Well, the Blue Jays just look like they're a step ahead,
and I don't know if they you know, they're they're
picking up things. You know. Look, it's normal part of
the game that you're seeing. If people are tipping things,
you know, all those things come into play. But the
Blue Jays are a team that put the ball in
play like that's their sort of secret weapon. They put
the ball in pray play. They create pressure on your defense.

(45:09):
You have to execute in the field if you give
them an extra out, if you don't get the pitch
where you want it, you're going to have to defend.
And it exposes you on the defensive side. And it's
not just like, oh, a ball went through their legs,
it's execution. Are you throwing to the right face? Are
you hitting the cutoff man?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Like?

Speaker 6 (45:26):
That's where the Blue Jays just completely get under your
skin and exploit you. And and so you have to
play a Chris defensive game all the time against the
Blue Jays to beat them when they're swinging the bats well,
which they are.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Doug Landville joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Red. It's a couple of dougs hanging
out and talking ball. So he's actually joining us from
Wrigley he's on the field at historic Wrigley Field as
the Cubs come in down two games none with the Brewers.
What do you think of the matchup tonight at Wrigley.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
Well, look at it. So Jamison ty On is pitching
for the Cubs and where he has an advantage tonight.
All signs are indicating the wind's going to be blowing
pretty strong in from center field. He is a fly
ball pitcher, and he's a pitcher who will tell you,
you know what, I'll give up the occasional home run.
I'm hoping it's solo, but that's just part of my
game when I go for the pitches at the top
of his own. Well, he doesn't really have that issue

(46:21):
as much tonight unless he gets that like low line
drives left center, which kind of beats the win. So
that's a big advantage. And the Brewers know he's pitched
well against them. He's got this change up kind of
that's worked really well to neutralize lefties. He's got the
curve ball going, so he's a tough pitcher. I do
see the pitching advantage in their favor. Now, you know,
we talk about Priest on the Quinn Priester on the

(46:43):
Brewer side, he's more of a sinker ball, ground ball
pitcher kind of that's his style. So that you know,
the Cubs definitely feel optimistic that they have the right matchup,
but they got to get the offense billing to really
make that come to fruition.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
There's some video out there of the Brewer when they're
at second base, you know, moving their left arm, and
you know it's been a that that's baseball. As a
guy who played in the league and you're watching this,
Are the Brewers using guys on base to tip off
at least location for their hitters?

Speaker 6 (47:16):
I mean they may, I mean any of these teams
may do that. And that's you know, one of the
things that how does it get addressed? Well, it's usually
something like in the game and someone challenges someone and
all you know that all these unwritten rules and codes
that come with baseball. But at the same time, you know,
the team as a team against all teams that are
always trying to find an edge, you got to find

(47:37):
that extra step to get ahead of it or to
stop it from being a factor. And that's part of
the game. Like all these managers we talk to all
season long, they tell you like, look, we know people
are stealing our signs. We know people are doing this.
Is you know you have to defend against this at
all times, and that's how you know you're able to
hit one hundred and one miles an hour and know
what's coming.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, do to
ask you about the Dodgers. They're up two games done,
but the bullpen is still an issue. Can they win
the World Series despite the failings of their bullpen?

Speaker 6 (48:12):
Absolutely, there's no question. I mean, the Dodgers are so loaded,
and yeah, they might be kind of like had another
gear and they found it. But the thing about the
pitching that I think is sometimes like another way to
characterize it could be they have so much talent in
their pit things that they don't even have to know

(48:32):
like what role anybody has. I'm gonna bring in this
guy now, Oh, so Zaki always a closer, always throws
one hundred and one too. Oh, we're gonna bring in Shean.
So it's just a matter of like settling into like
what their roles are and right now everybody's available, like
that's how they're using it. But the thing is they
have starters that can go six, six and seven, including Otani.

(48:54):
So that's the other X factor because you don't have
to cover like like the Brewers are. You don't have
to cover set an inning, six innings, five inning. You
can just cover three and which is you know, all
those guys that's gonna throw a hundred or except for Vessio,
who's really nastiest. So I don't see them as as
like a problem. I think it's just settling into like
what everybody's doing and getting those roles. Because yes, they've

(49:17):
had and I did the CS against the Reds and
the eighth inning was a disaster both nights, but they
also had big leads in both cases, so it was like, okay, fine,
we're now now instead of ten to two, it's ten
to four. You know, I don't I don't see it
as like a weakness. I see them not performing well,
but I don't think it's a weakness at all. I

(49:37):
think it's the zaki these guys have. They've just too
many weapons.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the voice of Doug Glanville. Doug, great stuff. We know
you got to run. We really appreciate you being our guests.
And again that that website is. That site's called Welcome
to Glanville. Of course you can pick up his books
as well. Doug, have a great call. Tell boo guys
that what's up and we'll talk soon.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
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