October 9, 2025 • 48 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the career turn Baker Mayfield's has taken and what contributed to his reputation early in his career to now.
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Dead Dude, Dooo, dude, do hope you're having a great day.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every single day, same
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a show for you. John Rose is going to join
us this hour, of course, all things major League Baseball, including.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's the deal with the Dodgers? Height? What's the deal
with the Dodgers?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, I was talking with Jason Stewart earlier today
and yeah, then we we kind of discussed Bulderham, Remember
the what's the line from Bulderham about shower shoes?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Jay Stu, If you win twenty games on the show,
you're colorful. If you don't, you're a swap.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, if you have fungus on your shower shoes, right,
and I use that because it's sort of where we
are with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Baker Mayfield now has become this classic underdog, lovable quarterback,
kind of similar to when he was at Texas Tech
as a freshman walk on starting, or kind of similar
to most of the time at Oklahoma where he's a
former walk on transfer who became a star. You know,
all of those things, all of those things to me
(01:59):
are related in that you know, now he's beloved and
by Baker's own insistence, he hasn't changed. He's like, hey,
I'm the same guy. Now you love me, used to
hate me. Here's Baker Mayfield when he's asked about the
critics who say he's been sured.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I told you, guys, try and not get too high
and not get too low, which is something that I
was not doing early on in my career. But you know,
early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.
Now it's moxie.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He's a dog.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So it's same different days. Just as long as you
play well, they change the narrative. But you've got to
be yourself. And I've always been like that.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm I'm a little I'm not torn. I'm not conflicted.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think that a lot of these things, a lot
of these stories I'm gonna throw at you, kind of
all work together. So Odell Beckham Junior was with him
in Cleveland. Now, remember we're making a snapshot of today
and using it for our snapshot of when he was
in Cleveland. And he's like, look, I'm the same guy
I am today. On the other hand, he did contextualize it.
(03:10):
I was more emotional then, but I'm the same guy
was today that I was in Cleveland. You're just judging
me differently. It's fair because when he was in Cleveland,
he was the number one overall pick. He's in Cleveland,
he's the former Heisman Trophy winner. Was in Cleveland. People
tried to sell us on this underdog status. But when
you're the number one overall pick in the NFL drafting
me the Heighsman Trophy winner, you are no longer an
upper underdog. So there is part of it where he
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struggled with the old Shakespearean line heavy as the head
that wears the crown. He was the king of Cleveland,
and he had been annoyted that king by being the
number one overall draft pick. His gm who drafted him,
said he's like Brett Favre. I mean, like you're talking
about deity like status. Also should be remembered that Odell
Beckham Junior was on the team and part of Baker's
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downfall was the fracture in their relationship or the lack
of respect OBJ had for Baker Mayfield OBJ, who we
don't know. We think he may be out of football.
Of course, he got caught with peds. So even if
he does try and come back, he suspended. He's making
the rounds and he said this on a podcast this
(04:16):
week about the Giants.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
All Right, we'll get to that in a second. That's okay,
we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'll relate it to you and I'll kind of bring
it all together in one second. Okay, let me know
when you have that cut there, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So we have to understand that part of how we
viewed Baker was we were watching Odell Beckham Junior, who
was widely regarded as one of the best and not
the best wide receiver in the league, when he was
dealt to the Browns and when that didn't work, and
Obj's dad called out Baker on social media, immediately we
(04:55):
started to look at Baker differently. Here's OBJ earlier this week.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Not a semi a bit of me that like feel
like the Giants sent me off. I've said it before,
sent me off to Cleveland to die. You know, they
could have I could have went to the forty nine ers.
I could have went to the Patriots. I could have
went to teams that had, you know, a chance to
be great. And that's not what their desire was their desire.
You can't tell me that this was the best trade
package we could have got for you know, your desire was.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
To you know, kind of put me over a little bit.
It's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
You know, you feel like I made a fool of
view of the organization and that was never truly like
my intention. Like I'm just that competitive, Like I wanted
to win, like I always wanted to win. I'm tired
of being six and ten. We haven't done anything to
make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm texting Eli,
like your seventh on the list, you know what I mean,
like for the greatest of all time, like I want
to be I want to see Eli go out with
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another super Bowl. Like we're not putting the pieces around them,
and I feel like I was being wasted as well.
Like that's how you know, like stats is cool, and
like when you losing, it doesn't feel like, okay, cool,
I had thirteen hundred whatever, fourteen hundred ards, just be
any touchdowns like oh you lost?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah. I mean all that stuff about losing is great.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think the thing you heard from his voice was
he didn't want to be in Cleveland. He viewed Cleveland
as as a bad franchise. What's amazing about it was
when he was in Cleveland, they actually had a chance
right Cleveland, when Baker was the quarterback, you know, his
(06:27):
first year seven wins to six year, the second year
six wins. But in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, Baker's on
the team. They have Kareem Hunt, who was at the
had Nick Chubb, who's a thousand yard back, Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Who's an eight hundred yard back.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Remember, they had Jarvis Landry who was friends with Odell
Beckham and Odell Beckham junior.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Like they had a squad. He's it's really.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Interesting at that point in time, with that personnel, Cleveland
should have had a chance to go to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
They won eleven games that year.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So he's acting like OBJ is acting like they send
him to Football Siberia. They didn't. They didn't send him
to the worst team in the league. They sent him
to one of the better team, one of the more talent.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Teams in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And he got to be with Baker Mayfield, who he
wanted to play with or he thought he wanted to
play with at the time. And then you run into
the Baker and how he's viewed and he was immature,
and Baker by his own estimation, his own words, by
the way, was I was immature. I was too emotional
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like that. So how can you make it make sense
to like, how do you bring this all together? I
can tell you that in building a college basketball program,
and Green Bay, Wisconsin in a program that you know,
the year before me they had a breakout season and
they won a team, but previously that single digit wins
in previous in the two previous years and single digit
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wins in my first year, that when you take over
a program that struggling, and for us, obviously now in
college athletics, you're paying people, much like in the NFL,
you've got to figure out who wants to be there,
and who's only there because they're I'm only here because
I don't want to get fined.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I want here because I want to get paid.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Because part of diving into a place is diving into
being there and to properly paint. What happened to Baker,
what happened to OBJ, what happened to the Browns was
they had all of this talent, but Odell Beckham Junior
didn't want to be there. Baker Mayfield was too immature
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and too emotional. Plus he was fighting the fact that
for the first time ever in his life, he wasn't
an underdog. He wanted to carry the underdog status, but
he wasn't. You can't make yourself into an underdog when
you've played for NASH, played for NASH Championship, when you've
been a Heisman Trophy winner, when you've been the number
one overall pick with the number one overall pick in
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the NFL draft, No matter if you started your career
as a walk on, you are no longer an underdog.
So he struggled to carry that crown. OBJ didn't want
to be there, and OBJ slowly but surely undid any
of the credibility of Baker Mayfield because his dad goes
on social media and calls out Baker for missing throws
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and missing reads. Let's properly contextualize it. I'm listen.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm always been good with Baker.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I have you go back in and look when he
came out of the draft, came out for the draft.
I was on Cowhert Show and I said what everybody
Norman has ever said to me, It doesn't matter what
fans think, what media thinks. His teammates love him, love him,
would run through a brick wall for him. What scouts
always told me was better as the underdog, better when
surround to buy really good players, got to have great
(10:02):
players because it's not like he's crazy talented. He's just smart,
tough and will will do things, will play above his level.
But he's got to level up with guys that are
better than him to make plays. He can't bring them
necessarily to a higher level. That's not who he is
in the National Football League. And so when you're building
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these things college pro, maybe even high school, the first
thing is you gotta build with guys that want to
be there. The second thing is you gotta know, Okay,
who is who's better? Is the underdog, who's better is
the favorite? And they had to all be pulling the
same direction. But Baker kind of contextual, kind of gave
(10:49):
gave everybody an out by saying, well, yeah, I was
too up and down, too emotional, but I'm the same guy. Like, no,
you just told everybody you've changed, you evolved, only you
want to You want us to feel bad about pointing
out your immaturity back when he got.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
To the Browns, Heck, I'd give him a pass as
being immature.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
No one's ready to be a face of a franchise
when you're just a walk on a couple.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Of years previously.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
That's a meteoric rise, the likes of which we've rarely
seen in the NFL. But that's what happened, and he
wasn't ready for it. He wasn't ready for dealing with
the type of personality of Ode Beckham Junior. The Browns
weren't ready to deal with a dad who's out there
tweeting out all twenty two videos of the quarterback trying
to free up his son.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
No one was ready for all that. And maybe that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Doesn't work in Cleveland, right. What works in Cleveland is
three yards and a pile of dust. What works in
Cleveland is just finding team guys, Guys that want to
be there, guys that want to be a part of it.
Maybe guys that don't need top bitter when they're signing
a free agent contract. We've talked a lot about the
Browns over the last two days because they just trade
(11:57):
away Joe Flacco, who has moved to be in a
back up and we're still waiting to find out if
Store Sanders is ultimately backup. But when I heard Baker
Mayfield say, hey, all these critics, basically same guys that
are now supporting me are the same guys that are
killing me, I think he's lacking the proper context in it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I just do all right.
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We'll get to all that this hour. But before we
get to that, let's do something we do every Thursday.
We don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Don't call it a throwback, Jay Stu.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it here. I'll take it
from here.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I want you all here in the studio and our
listeners to focus on one year. What were you doing
in nineteen ninety three? Don't call it a throwback. Thursday
is going to focus on the sports year of nineteen
ninety three. Why you ask because October of nineteen ninety three,
twenty or was it thirty two years ago? Thirty two
(14:33):
years ago? Forty two? What's the out there, guys? Anyways,
thirty two years ago, the Toronto Blue Jays were winning
their last World Series title, and as they advanced to
the ALCS yesterday by beating the Yankees, I wanted to
focus on the ninety three bou Jay team because I
personally was a fan of this team. They were so
much fun to watch. A mid season trade, Bot added
(14:58):
Ricky Henderson to a lineup at all already featured Paul
Malder Hall of Famer, Roberto Alomar Hall of Famer Joe
Carter delivered us the great moment at the end of
the series, John Olrude Devon White, Oh my goodness. And
it keeps going with the pitching staff. What an amazing
team to win back to back titles. They had won
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their first year the year before they beat the Phillies
in six games. Mitch Williams delivered the walkoff shot from
Joe Carter the ninety three series. What a team, what
a memory, and congratulations to the Toronto Blue Jays for
advancing into the ALCS. Good luck to them and all
you people in Canada. Dan Byer, what do you remember
(15:41):
most from nineteen ninety three in sports?
Speaker 8 (15:44):
I remember hating those Toronto Blue Jays. There was a
period of time where they just were not like because
they were so good with the back to back World Series.
The Blue Jays were a team that Nan just did,
did not like at all, rooted against Toronto Brewers were
in the Amyic League at that time and would battle
them in the American League East. But I switched to football.
(16:06):
Transformative year in football because it was a year where
I think maybe the biggest news happened prior to the season,
and that was Reggie White signing with the Green Bay Packers.
And then also that year, Marcus Allen became a member
of the Kansas City Chiefs. Chiefs yes, and had a
(16:28):
stellar career with the Chiefs, but back then unheard of.
We know the greatness that Reggie White then had in
Green Bay delivering them a Super Bowl a few years later,
but it really changed the NFL. So nineteen ninety three
stands out to me football wise, for nothing that happened
on the field, it's what happened off of it college football.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
That was Florida State. They finally went undefeated, finally went
a national championship. Their quarterback was also a basketball star,
Charlie Ward. Fast break on turf, that's what they called.
That's what they called it. They did lose a game
that year. I was also kind of an interesting, interesting
kind of side note to it, right as they didn't
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they lose the Notre Dame. They lost the Notre Dame
was called the game of the century and then turn
around and beat Florida, Nebraska beat Oklahoma and you know
Notre Dame had After Notre Dame beat Florida State, I
think they lost to Boston College on a less second
field goal. When they lost to Boston College. Here's the
(17:36):
personal side note. The kicker for Boston College actually built
my house.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
When I was in Connecticut. That was like his yeah, like, hey,
what'd you when'd you go to college? Boston College? Like
how do I know your name? I kicked the field
goal that beat Notre Dame. And by the way, back
then Boston College is actually pretty good.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
So yeah, BC was there there. There was a time
when BC was was football for sure. Obviously, Doug Flutie.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
David Gordon.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Did he major in carpentry, No, he just did it
as like his career.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Not carpentry was like he whittled it.
Speaker 9 (18:09):
He was like the well he was the contract engineering.
Sure so many time structural engineering semi Tech.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Nineteen ninety three was heartbreak for me in college football,
and it was also the emergence of Wisconsin under Barry Alvarez.
None of my friends growing up and cared about Wisconsin football, yes,
and then all of a sudden they become good and
they're in the thick of it with Ohio State in
trying to go for a Big Ten championship. They actually
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tied at Camp Randall Stadium a game between Ohio State
and Wisconsin. Marlon Kerner blocked a field goal that could
have won it for Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
They ended a tie.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
All Ohio State needed to do was beat Michigan the
final week of the season they would go to the
Rose Bowl. That didn't happen, and then Wisconsin ended up
going to Rose Bowl to the Rose Bowl because they
beat Michigan State in Tokyo, Japan. So that's what happened
in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Ninety three, the Bulls beat the Suns in the NBA Finals.
What was interesting about that one was the Bulls actually
finished three and zero on the road in that series.
They won the first two games on the road, came
back home and the Sons won in triple overtime. Then
the Sons won Game four as well, and excuse me,
(19:36):
the Bulls won Game four, Sons won Game five, and
that was the famous John Packson on a kickout from
I think Horace Grant jump shot to win the game
that ended up winning the series. And I think Jordan
had thirty three, but it was John Packson who hit
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the shot, and that was Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Charles Parker was the MVP that you're in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, And then a month later the death of James R. Jordan,
Michael Jordan's father, and then three months later or two
months later, the retirement, shocking the world. At age thirty,
Michael Jordan calls it quits for the first time, coming
off of three straight NBA titles. Lots of speculation as
(20:24):
to why he did that. And they kind of danced
around it in the last dance, get it, they danced
around it around.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
This I think he sort of boogied break dancing unbelievable
year in movies. Jurassic Park, the first of what is
it like twenty Jurassic Parks now Schindler's List, Sleepless in Seattle,
The Sandlot, Rudy Home Alone two, Falling Down.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Oh with Michael Douglas. Yeah, that is one of my
favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Tombstone all time.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Tombstone is on anybody's list of favorite Westerns of all time.
A bronx tail. Great scene in a bronx tail to
start the movie, right, how you know she's a keeper?
Good one, Missus Doubtfire. Also nineteen ninety three, The Firm,
The Firm, which is a novel that became John Grisham. Right,
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that was John Grisham's first, I think, bestseller that became
a movie as well, Tom Cruise and Tom Cruise was
the star in it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Menace to Society?
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Cool Runnings was that year. Unbelievableyear.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Carlitos Way, another one, just one after another, all hits classics.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Listen, what were they listening to when they were when
they were playing on their Sony walk book?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ok, case do? I was just kind of going out
of order here because I love the golf. I like
getting in the golf.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Sam and something else.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
I was just gonna say, you know, I think Iowans
had a reason to get to the movie theater to
kind of escape their lives, because there was a devastating
flood in nineteen ninety three in the state of Iowa
called the Great Flood of ninety three. I was looking
at a picture just now of Bill Clinton and Davenport
surveying the damage.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And you know what, uh did not cause that flood.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
He did not.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
He did not not with that woman. And you know,
the Iowa football team could not get people's spirits up either.
They went six and six, lost to cal in the
Amal Bowl. But their quarterback was current NBC broadcaster Paul Burmeister.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
About that's a good friend of mine. We lived together
in we we lived near each other in Westport, Connecticut.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
I love Paul, and I think his broadcasting career is
you know, longer and more successful than maybe his playing
days at Iowa. But we do claim him as one
of our own.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Sure what happened in golf, Dan, Well, it's funny you ask,
because it was a unique year. There may have been
a flood of tears from Greg Norman both and he
got a flood joke in there. Happy Tears and Sad
Tears lost in a playoff to Paul Aisinger at the
PGA Championship, but it was maybe landed a little softer
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because of his win at the Open Championship in nineteen
ninety three. So Greg Norman getting his second and final
career major. You also had Lee Jansen winning the US
Open and one of our favorites, Bernhardlanger on his second
in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's funny you bring up Paul Aisinger. I saw him
interviewed right before that winning that major, and he was
listening to his Walkman, really Walkman at the time. Interesting,
we said, and they said, what are you listening to
right now? Paul? And he's like the song that everybody's
listening to.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
Oh yeah, this is still a jam.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
This is what I call music.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Who eh wop he woo.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
There it is by Tag Team.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Bad Team. What's a damn?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
For those who don't remember who tag Team is? Cecil DC,
the Brain Supreme Glenn and Steve Rolin. Gibson reached number
one on the charts for nineteen straight weeks and of
course everybody remembers woom Dead is made the all fourteenth
on the All Time Greatest Jock Jams All Time list
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Jock Jam jock Jams.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Some other good songs though, I mean think about this, Okay.
Rump Shaker was that year. That's a wrexffect.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That was a good song.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Nothing but a g.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Thing, Doctor Dre, I will Always love you, Whitney Houston.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Friendly Bodyguard originally written by Jolly Parton, who is in
good Spirits A goods by Janet.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Action that is a great song. Putting rump Shaker.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
By s w V that's sisters with voices.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Amongst this group, and saying there were a bunch of
great songs is just the issue that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
To Princess Spin Doctors that sounds like more your jam there,
Dan Byer, your spin Doctor totally over.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
You can be further from the truth. Shows how little
you actually do know me so that you would think
that I would.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Like to spin Doctors. I'm messy with you, Dan, I'm messy.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
You don't like that song, Dan, I just don't love it.
Don't play I don't really it was overplayed.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Yeah it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
No, he just doesn't think it's that good. A song, right,
it's just not your jam, your type of song.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Yeah, like yeah, it's hippy, it's you know, yeah, I
guess it's catchy in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
All that she Wants a Sabass was that song. That's
one that still gets played.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
That's one of Jason's favorites. All that She Wants is another.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'll let You wants, keep you locked in? Also, ice Cube,
it was a good day nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Good song.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So people have gone back and tracked exactly what day
ice Cube was talking about. That was a good day.
Have you guys ever seen that on social media?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wait, wait the Lakers beat the SuperSonics. Hold on, we
got to go back. There's actually people who have pinpointed
when he wrote that song.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Is that where he messed around and got a triple double?
Isn't the same song?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, same one?
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Yeah, that's a good day.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
I think he needed a team with four syllables, right,
Like you wouldn't be like yeah, and you could beat
the Lakers beat the Utah Jazz and Rocket.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I don't know, Yeah, Jazz Detroit Pistons doesn't work, SuperSonics does.
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to ninety eight. Seinfeld was just getting popular because the
first season I think with they were like on the
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They were in their heyday in ninety three.
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Seinfeld ran from July fifth, nineteen eighty nine to May fourteenth,
nineteen ninety eight.
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Dan's point, last week Monday Football had the eighth largest
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season right later.
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Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It was a hard watch last night with the Dodgers
in the eighth inning. So, uh, seventh inning, Clayton Kershaw
comes in the game.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I mean he survived, right, he survived? Uh he ends
up putting you know runners on base. Tasker Hernandez makes
two outstanding plays in right field. You know they they
throw a guy out at at home Ki k Hernandez
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throws a dude down or no, was it taoskar throws
a guy out at home Ki k Hernandez with like
all three outs were fantastic defensive plays, and say get
they go into the dugout. I remember this is in LA.
So you get to the bottom of the seventh inning
and down three, get three to one. Clayton Kershaw looked
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like a defeated man. He looked like he didn't have
his stuff. So in the bottom half of the seventh inning,
the third out, with Sho heey O Tani coming within,
I'm gonna go three feet of hitting the ball over
the fence and making it a three to two ball game,
because it was at the very back of the warning track.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But you know, you still got a couple more feet
to go.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'd say a yard further and it clears the wall
four or five feet further. It clears the wall and
then some and it's out of the left fielder's reach.
But they were that close to making it a one
run game at home with an incredible lineup at Chevez Ravine. Granted,
they were struggling to do anything with Philly's pitching staff.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So what did the Dodgers do.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
They threw them back out there. Threw them back out there,
and what happened next is it just wasn't pretty. Kershaw
got shelled. The defense also looked shoddy, as I'm sure
they got anybody anybody's been on a team. When the
pitcher can't get anybody out and they're hitting rockets, it'll
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cause you to make airrors. And what was a three
to one game became an eight to one game, ultimately
an eight two game in the bottom of the ninth inning.
Kershaw pitched two full innings, gives up six hits, four
earned runs, five runs total, walks three, gives up two
home runs, and most of the reason he was brought
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in was because they won the lefty lefty matchup with
Kyle Schwarber, who had hit one in the parking lot
earlier in the game and he had another one out
against Kershaw. There's a couple of takeaways I have from this,
and then I would love your thoughts, Jason Stewart, because
you've watched more of Clayton Kershaw's games than anybody in
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our building and I'm guessing anybody who's listening, and he
watched almost all the Dodger games this year. The first
thing is this, Clayton Kershaw had a really good year
regular season in pitching. What you saw last night is
the difference in regular season and postseason. Remember the regular
season this year Clayton Kershaw eleven and two, three point
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three six ERA really surprise year and what'll be his
last year as a Dodger at thirty seven years old,
I mean, it's good. But if you want the difference
and you can tell me he didn't have his stuff,
that's fine. And I'm not sitting here telling you that
he's not a Hall of Famer, he's not an all
time great. It diminishes anything at all. What it does
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is it diminishes regular season versus postseason. This is the
perfect example of how much more difficult postseason baseball is,
because you're facing a lineup that everybody is locked in
on one thing on the scouting port. There's not You're
not playing three and then getting on a plane and
playing three and then getting on a plane and having
a day off and playing four, and getting on a
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plane and taking a day off and then playing two
and then playing three.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You're focused on one team, one scout, you know, one
serve source of analytic data, and you've got to be
ready to go. And the Phillies were. And if you
have anything less than electric stuff, that's what happens to you.
Baseball has two different seasons, and if you want to
know how different those seasons are, watch Clayton Kershaw the
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regular season.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Watch Clayton Kershaw last night.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Every out he got seemed more like luck than every
run they scored. But then it brings up the really
curious question, which is, I understand why you gave him
a look and maybe you want to save some of
the bullpen in the seventh and I get that once
it got out of hand, once they hit a home run,
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it was six to three, you're like, or six to one,
you're like, Ah, just leave him out there. Why send
him back out there in the eighth inning. It's only
a two run game. You got five arms in the bullpen.
Jay Stu helped me out. Let's start with the second one.
They worked back to the first one. Why do you
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think Dave Roberts stuck him out there in the eighth
inning after getting shelled in the seventh inning and they
survived to not give up a run when he was
in there.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I think Dave has been accused of a lot of things,
and I think maybe a loyalty to some of the
vets is one of the biggest things that he's accused of.
I think that it was almost like he wanted to
give Kershaw a chance to make good and have a
clean inning, and then when it went south. We've seen
a history of this recent history of this with the Dodgers,
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They're more than willing to punt postseason games and wind
up the pitching for the next few games. We found
out after the game that Tanner Scott, the guy they
paid to be a closer who had a horrible season,
was out for personal reasons. So he would have been
the guy to take all the bullets in that eighth
inning happened to be Clayton Kershaw, which was really just
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sad for us Dodger fans. That's the last time we
see him on the mound at Dodger Stadium. That's just sad.
It sucked. There's no other way to put it. I
think you sum it up pretty nicely. Hard to watch.
I don't know exactly why Dave brought him out. He
said something along the line of we like them up
and then it got out of hand. But yeah, it
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was sad.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, that was That was a tough one to watch
because to anybody who knows anything about baseball, you're like,
there's one of the greatest pictures of this era and
then he gets shelled. And do I think that they
survive and go to the next round? Yeah, I do think.
(35:26):
You know, they still have two games to win one,
and obviously you'd like to win that at the Ravine,
not go back to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But there is one thing that that that you did
not add. You got, you got almost all of it perfect.
It's just that he's not a relief pitcher, so the
processing getting ready as relievers a whole lot different. So
I'm going to give him some grace on this. I
think the last time you pitched in the postseason and
relief was in twenty seventh World Series nineteen.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It wasn't in the World Series during COVID.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
No, No, that was the guy that beat his wife
Kershaw pitch I think in twenty nineteen or twenty seventeen
in relief, if not both. And he just hasn't been
doing it. So you add his age, you have the
fact that he's just very hittable, his slider wasn't working,
and then the process of going in this isn't his
regular routine. So yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess the question becomes,
if they win in Game four with a completely fresh
and rested bullpen, is he like the MVP because he
took all the bullets?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But it was hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I mean, he literally couldn't get anybody out. And look,
part of this is, this is why I will never
change my stance on steroid guys in baseball. Hey, because
what happens with natural age and natural progression, and Kershaw's
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the perfect example of it. He went from being a
great thrower who could pitch to being kind of the
combination a pitcher who could throw, and then he had
his last couple of years. It was all guile and
intelligence and location and scouting and timing and being a
lefty and crafty knowing he had very good stuff anymore.
But he could still, you know, find a way to
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get through six or seven and the Dodgers have the
best line up in baseball and get it done. But
that's that's actually normal. It's normal aging. It's like what
would all of us look like if we don't get
hair transplant surgery and botox and take ozembic. Right, there's
a natural regression through age, like gray hairs are okay.
(37:48):
But steroids changed that, right. Remember Roger Clemens was going
through a regression when he was in Boston. Then he
goes to Toronto and all reports are that's when he started
using steroids. And I was the best picture ball. That
was sad, but that's usually what it looks like on
your way out. Hitters look overwhelmed. Pitchers can't get anybody out.
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Now here's the big question. Does it change the series?
Does it change the series? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Fox Sports Radios MOLB insider.
In the MLB MLB Network reporter John Rossi he joins
us as we're right in the middle, right in the
middle of October and DS baseball. Uh, the Yankees are
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at home, the Dodgers still need to win a game.
The Cubs force force force to fourth game, just like
the the Phillies did as well.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And then of course you got Detroit and Seattle of
the series that that people have forgotten.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
John, Let's start with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I get why you give Clayton Kershaw a look out
of the bullpen in the seventh but it's three to one. Show,
Hey hits the ball to the warning track. You come
into the eighth inning, they throw him back out there
when he clearly didn't have his stuff. Did the Dodgers
wave the white flag late in yesterday's game?
Speaker 7 (39:07):
Doug good afternoon. It is a very interesting question, and
certainly I'll say this, Kershaw had played well enough during
the stretch run of the regular season to at least
create some positivity and optimism that he'd be able to
be competitive, if not potentially a difference maker for this
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team in the postseason. Clearly last night was a counter
argument to that optimism, and I would say, Doug that
it was the second inning in him going back out
there that might be the thing that is garnering the
most second guessing today, I think you're right that the
Dodgers had decided that they were not going to chase
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that win yesterday with their best bullpen pieces, and that
they're going to leave Kershaw in there. But it really
was a tough way to see him go out if
the fact that is his last professional outing there was
a beautiful send off at the end of the regular season,
yesterday felt very different in that setting. And now I think,
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Doug that the question becomes with Glass now starting Game four.
He is not someone who has really gone deep into games,
and that might be the one bit of important context
for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers that they knew that
their Game four starter is someone who doesn't take you
deep into games. You know that your bullpen is going
to have to be ready and certainly able to cover
(40:34):
multiple innings. In relief of Glass now here in Game
four that they probably did have to play with the
long term in mind and to give themselves the best
chance to win Game four and Game five, even though Doug,
they do not want to go back to Philadelphia. As
great as they look there at games one and two,
it is hard to take your chances of winning a
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winner take all game at Citizens Bank Park.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I would tend
to agree with you there.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Let's let's get to have you seen a ball hit
as hard as Swarber's ball was hit?
Speaker 7 (41:13):
The first home run, My goodness, one of the hardest
hit balls certainly that I've ever seen. Actually, I was
at the game yesterday in Detroit. Riley Green had one
of the hardest hit balls he's ever had in that ballpark.
That was absolutely scorched. But I just think with Schwarber,
the iconic location of Dodger Stadium, and we all, anybody's
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ever been fortunate enough to see a game at Dodger
Stadium knows exactly how far that pavilion is, exactly how
far the extreme reach of that stadium is, and to
be able to put a ball that distance from home
plate and project it against this backup that we've seen
so many iconic October moments, Doug, I just think stood
(42:00):
out to a lot of us as being a truly
unique October moment. And now the Phillies. It's amazing what
one game, one inning, one swing can do. It seems
as though just over a couple innings yesterday, Doug, the
Phillies got their attitude back. And this is a very
very confident group that got away I think from their
confidence in games one and two a little bit there.
(42:22):
One went away one really good rally away from bringing
this whole series right back to Philly, and they've got
the right guy in the mound for them. Tonight they
were able to win a game that was started by
Nola yesterday, which was really crucial for them. So I
think they're feeling good, and I'll all of a sudden,
I think the Dodgers have a little bit of pressure
on them to wrap this thing up at home, because
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I think they want no part of having to take
that cross country trip and deal with a really, really
repped up fan base there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
What happens now with the Yankees, you know, Doug, it's
an important question.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
I don't think that Aaron Boone will get dismissed. I
don't think he should. I think Aaron Boone is done
with the pieces that he's been given. And I think
what Alex and the guys were talking about in the
panel last night on the Box, I think it was
correct in a lot of ways. It was a roster
that was not the easiest to manage. But when you
(43:20):
look at the rosters that are thriving right now, the
team that just knocked the Yankees out, the Blue Jays,
more athletic, better defense, more adaptability, and just deeper, a
deeper roster. I think the Yankees had a roster of
pieces that didn't quite fit. And when you look at
that and you look at the job that Boone has done.
(43:42):
As long as Judge remains on board with Boone, and
I think he is, then I have a hard time
thinking that the Yankees are going to make this change
if it's against the wishes of their superstar, who is
of course under contract for longer than anybody else in
that organization save ownership. So that's what I look at.
(44:02):
Maybe they'll make some coaching staff changes. They will certainly
have to make some adjustice to the lineup and Doug.
The scary part of your the Yankees is, I guess
these two things. Number One, you're still not sure exactly
Garrett Cole, your one coming back from surgery, what he's
going to be able to do for you. And the
second part of it is a lot of your other
key players this season, Trent Grisham and Cody Bellinger the
(44:25):
name two are free agents. So the Yankees have some
work to do to just get back to being as
good as they were this year, which was not good enough.
And of course it's all happening. The Mets have their
own questions, so it's going to be a very very
busy off season of reporting, I think for all of
my colleagues who are based there in New York City.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, John,
I'm I'm trying to figure out the Cubs. Brewers did
put a runner, a second nobody out down a run
in the eighth inning, so the Cubs kind of survived
the Brewers, But do you think they can carry over
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this momentum and win two more.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
The Brewers are the better team. The Brewers I believe
will eventually win this series. I think they're a little
bit deeper, They're a little more creative and how they
can potentially approach you with their different bullpen games and
other philosophies like that. I just think they're a better team.
But I tell you what, Doug, the baseball world is
getting to know Michael Bush, who, in my opinion, is
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one of the more overlooked, really good young players in
Major League Baseball. A thirty plus homer bad at first base,
he was really just blocked from playing time in LA
because he was behind Freddie Freeman. So the Cubs very
wisely acquire from the Dodgers and look at the poweries
bringing down the leadoff spot. He's been able to do
that multiple times in this series. So I'm a big
(45:57):
Michael Bush fan. I just think that overall, top to bottom,
the better fundamental team, the better team, the deeper roster
belongs to the Brewers. And wouldn't that be quite a
contrast if it ends up being one of the smallest
markets in all of sports, Milwaukee going up against either
of the Phillies and the Dodgers for the National League Championship.
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That's still what I see is the most likely outcome,
although you've got to give the Cubs some credit for
being adaptable enough, and of course that Matthew Boyd a
huge task for him tonight. He did not look good
in Game one. There were some mistakes made defensively behind him,
and now for Matthew a real chance to make amends
for that here in a crucial Game four at home.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
What are your thoughts on the Detroit Seattle series.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
It's all about Trek Scooble on the mound, and he
has been beaten by the Mariners multiple times this season,
and of course he didn't take the loss in Game
two on Sunday, but the Mayors are able to win
that game that he started. I tend to think that
a pitcher of Schoobul's ability and mental strength will just
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will his team to a victory and a winner take
all game in Seattle. Of course, you know the backstory, Well,
he went to college there. There's a lot of different
threads of his narrative that intersect with that city. So
it's an ideal stage. Friday Night, the only game going
in baseball, and yet at the flip side of things, Seattle,
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to me, Doug, when everything is firing, they have the
better lineup. They showed that, in my opinion in Game
three before the Tigers then were able to flip the
script and just stringing us really good at bats, where
all of a sudden they turned the clock back to
June when they were the best team in baseball for
stretch at the time. So it's a really interesting dynamic.
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I think it's going to be Schooble getting to win.
I just have a hard time believing that the Tigers
are going to lose four schoobl starts to the same
team in one year. He's bound to get a victory
against Seattle. And if he does that, plaintively headed east
from Seattle to Toronto. For the Tigers have a chance
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to play the Jays in the postseason for the very
first time. And of course, the Tigers haven't won World
Series since eighty four, the Jays not since ninety three,
so some serious droughts would be potentially expunged if that
ends up being the matchup, and honestly, it ends up
being in Seattle, so it's quite a story too, because
Seattle the only active franchise, Doug that has never been
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the World Series.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Crazy stuff. Hey John, you're the best man.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Love your energy, love your passion, love how you cover
the sport and give us your own thoughts and it
comes from such a place of knowledge. Thanks for being
our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
Hey thanks, Doug, really appreciate it. I always enjoyed this
time of year, my friend, and look forward to catching
up next time.
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
What's the deal with the Dodgers? Height? What's the deal
with the Dodgers?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
You know, I was talking with Jason Stewart earlier today
and yeah, then we we kind of discussed Bulderham, Remember
the what's the line from Bulderham about shower shoes?
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Jay Stu, If you win twenty games on the show,
you're colorful. If you don't, you're a swap.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, if you have fungus on your shower shoes, right,
and I use that because it's sort of where we
are with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Baker Mayfield now has become this classic underdog, lovable quarterback,
kind of similar to when he was at Texas Tech
as a freshman walk on starting, or kind of similar
to most of the time at Oklahoma where he's a
former walk on transfer who became a star. You know,
all of those things, all of those things to me
(01:59):
are related in that you know, now he's beloved and
by Baker's own insistence, he hasn't changed. He's like, hey,
I'm the same guy. Now you love me, used to
hate me. Here's Baker Mayfield when he's asked about the
critics who say he's been sured.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I told you, guys, try and not get too high
and not get too low, which is something that I
was not doing early on in my career. But you know,
early on in my career, yeah, it's looked as cocky, immature.
Now it's moxie.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
He's a dog.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
So it's same different days. Just as long as you
play well, they change the narrative. But you've got to
be yourself. And I've always been like that.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
I'm I'm a little I'm not torn. I'm not conflicted.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I think that a lot of these things, a lot
of these stories I'm gonna throw at you, kind of
all work together. So Odell Beckham Junior was with him
in Cleveland. Now, remember we're making a snapshot of today
and using it for our snapshot of when he was
in Cleveland. And he's like, look, I'm the same guy
I am today. On the other hand, he did contextualize it.
(03:10):
I was more emotional then, but I'm the same guy
was today that I was in Cleveland. You're just judging
me differently. It's fair because when he was in Cleveland,
he was the number one overall pick. He's in Cleveland,
he's the former Heisman Trophy winner. Was in Cleveland. People
tried to sell us on this underdog status. But when
you're the number one overall pick in the NFL drafting
me the Heighsman Trophy winner, you are no longer an
upper underdog. So there is part of it where he
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struggled with the old Shakespearean line heavy as the head
that wears the crown. He was the king of Cleveland,
and he had been annoyted that king by being the
number one overall draft pick. His gm who drafted him,
said he's like Brett Favre. I mean, like you're talking
about deity like status. Also should be remembered that Odell
Beckham Junior was on the team and part of Baker's
(03:55):
downfall was the fracture in their relationship or the lack
of respect OBJ had for Baker Mayfield OBJ, who we
don't know. We think he may be out of football.
Of course, he got caught with peds. So even if
he does try and come back, he suspended. He's making
the rounds and he said this on a podcast this
(04:16):
week about the Giants.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
All Right, we'll get to that in a second. That's okay,
we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I'll relate it to you and I'll kind of bring
it all together in one second. Okay, let me know
when you have that cut there, Sammy.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So we have to understand that part of how we
viewed Baker was we were watching Odell Beckham Junior, who
was widely regarded as one of the best and not
the best wide receiver in the league, when he was
dealt to the Browns and when that didn't work, and
Obj's dad called out Baker on social media, immediately we
(04:55):
started to look at Baker differently. Here's OBJ earlier this week.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Not a semi a bit of me that like feel
like the Giants sent me off. I've said it before,
sent me off to Cleveland to die. You know, they
could have I could have went to the forty nine ers.
I could have went to the Patriots. I could have
went to teams that had, you know, a chance to
be great. And that's not what their desire was their desire.
You can't tell me that this was the best trade
package we could have got for you know, your desire was.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
To you know, kind of put me over a little bit.
It's how I feel.
Speaker 5 (05:23):
You know, you feel like I made a fool of
view of the organization and that was never truly like
my intention. Like I'm just that competitive, Like I wanted
to win, like I always wanted to win. I'm tired
of being six and ten. We haven't done anything to
make changes. Eli's going out. You know, I'm texting Eli,
like your seventh on the list, you know what I mean,
like for the greatest of all time, like I want
to be I want to see Eli go out with
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another super Bowl. Like we're not putting the pieces around them,
and I feel like I was being wasted as well.
Like that's how you know, like stats is cool, and
like when you losing, it doesn't feel like, okay, cool,
I had thirteen hundred whatever, fourteen hundred ards, just be
any touchdowns like oh you lost?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah. I mean all that stuff about losing is great.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I think the thing you heard from his voice was
he didn't want to be in Cleveland. He viewed Cleveland
as as a bad franchise. What's amazing about it was
when he was in Cleveland, they actually had a chance
right Cleveland, when Baker was the quarterback, you know, his
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first year seven wins to six year, the second year
six wins. But in twenty twenty, twenty twenty, Baker's on
the team. They have Kareem Hunt, who was at the
had Nick Chubb, who's a thousand yard back, Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Who's an eight hundred yard back.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Remember, they had Jarvis Landry who was friends with Odell
Beckham and Odell Beckham junior.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Like they had a squad. He's it's really.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Interesting at that point in time, with that personnel, Cleveland
should have had a chance to go to a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
They won eleven games that year.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
So he's acting like OBJ is acting like they send
him to Football Siberia. They didn't. They didn't send him
to the worst team in the league. They sent him
to one of the better team, one of the more talent.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Teams in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
And he got to be with Baker Mayfield, who he
wanted to play with or he thought he wanted to
play with at the time. And then you run into
the Baker and how he's viewed and he was immature,
and Baker by his own estimation, his own words, by
the way, was I was immature. I was too emotional
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like that. So how can you make it make sense
to like, how do you bring this all together? I
can tell you that in building a college basketball program,
and Green Bay, Wisconsin in a program that you know,
the year before me they had a breakout season and
they won a team, but previously that single digit wins
in previous in the two previous years and single digit
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wins in my first year, that when you take over
a program that struggling, and for us, obviously now in
college athletics, you're paying people, much like in the NFL,
you've got to figure out who wants to be there,
and who's only there because they're I'm only here because
I don't want to get fined.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I want here because I want to get paid.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Because part of diving into a place is diving into
being there and to properly paint. What happened to Baker,
what happened to OBJ, what happened to the Browns was
they had all of this talent, but Odell Beckham Junior
didn't want to be there. Baker Mayfield was too immature
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and too emotional. Plus he was fighting the fact that
for the first time ever in his life, he wasn't
an underdog. He wanted to carry the underdog status, but
he wasn't. You can't make yourself into an underdog when
you've played for NASH, played for NASH Championship, when you've
been a Heisman Trophy winner, when you've been the number
one overall pick with the number one overall pick in
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the NFL draft, No matter if you started your career
as a walk on, you are no longer an underdog.
So he struggled to carry that crown. OBJ didn't want
to be there, and OBJ slowly but surely undid any
of the credibility of Baker Mayfield because his dad goes
on social media and calls out Baker for missing throws
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and missing reads. Let's properly contextualize it. I'm listen.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I'm always been good with Baker.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I have you go back in and look when he
came out of the draft, came out for the draft.
I was on Cowhert Show and I said what everybody
Norman has ever said to me, It doesn't matter what
fans think, what media thinks. His teammates love him, love him,
would run through a brick wall for him. What scouts
always told me was better as the underdog, better when
surround to buy really good players, got to have great
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players because it's not like he's crazy talented. He's just smart,
tough and will will do things, will play above his level.
But he's got to level up with guys that are
better than him to make plays. He can't bring them
necessarily to a higher level. That's not who he is
in the National Football League. And so when you're building
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these things college pro, maybe even high school, the first
thing is you gotta build with guys that want to
be there. The second thing is you gotta know, Okay,
who is who's better? Is the underdog, who's better is
the favorite? And they had to all be pulling the
same direction. But Baker kind of contextual, kind of gave
(10:49):
gave everybody an out by saying, well, yeah, I was
too up and down, too emotional, but I'm the same guy. Like, no,
you just told everybody you've changed, you evolved, only you
want to You want us to feel bad about pointing
out your immaturity back when he got.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
To the Browns, Heck, I'd give him a pass as
being immature.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
No one's ready to be a face of a franchise
when you're just a walk on a couple.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Of years previously.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
That's a meteoric rise, the likes of which we've rarely
seen in the NFL. But that's what happened, and he
wasn't ready for it. He wasn't ready for dealing with
the type of personality of Ode Beckham Junior. The Browns
weren't ready to deal with a dad who's out there
tweeting out all twenty two videos of the quarterback trying
to free up his son.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
No one was ready for all that. And maybe that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Doesn't work in Cleveland, right. What works in Cleveland is
three yards and a pile of dust. What works in
Cleveland is just finding team guys, Guys that want to
be there, guys that want to be a part of it.
Maybe guys that don't need top bitter when they're signing
a free agent contract. We've talked a lot about the
Browns over the last two days because they just trade
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away Joe Flacco, who has moved to be in a
back up and we're still waiting to find out if
Store Sanders is ultimately backup. But when I heard Baker
Mayfield say, hey, all these critics, basically same guys that
are now supporting me are the same guys that are
killing me, I think he's lacking the proper context in it.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I just do all right.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
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last night the Yankee season came to an end, but
something else felt like it came to an end as well.
What do we do with Clayton Kershaw's legacy?
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saying as an analyst when there's an obvious amount of bitterness.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
With management, with the Yankees, I think it's a fair question.
It's a fair question.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
We'll get to all that this hour. But before we
get to that, let's do something we do every Thursday.
We don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Don't call it a throwback, Jay Stu.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it here. I'll take it
from here.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I want you all here in the studio and our
listeners to focus on one year. What were you doing
in nineteen ninety three? Don't call it a throwback. Thursday
is going to focus on the sports year of nineteen
ninety three. Why you ask because October of nineteen ninety three,
twenty or was it thirty two years ago? Thirty two
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years ago? Forty two? What's the out there, guys? Anyways,
thirty two years ago, the Toronto Blue Jays were winning
their last World Series title, and as they advanced to
the ALCS yesterday by beating the Yankees, I wanted to
focus on the ninety three bou Jay team because I
personally was a fan of this team. They were so
much fun to watch. A mid season trade, Bot added
(14:58):
Ricky Henderson to a lineup at all already featured Paul
Malder Hall of Famer, Roberto Alomar Hall of Famer Joe
Carter delivered us the great moment at the end of
the series, John Olrude Devon White, Oh my goodness. And
it keeps going with the pitching staff. What an amazing
team to win back to back titles. They had won
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their first year the year before they beat the Phillies
in six games. Mitch Williams delivered the walkoff shot from
Joe Carter the ninety three series. What a team, what
a memory, and congratulations to the Toronto Blue Jays for
advancing into the ALCS. Good luck to them and all
you people in Canada. Dan Byer, what do you remember
(15:41):
most from nineteen ninety three in sports?
Speaker 8 (15:44):
I remember hating those Toronto Blue Jays. There was a
period of time where they just were not like because
they were so good with the back to back World Series.
The Blue Jays were a team that Nan just did,
did not like at all, rooted against Toronto Brewers were
in the Amyic League at that time and would battle
them in the American League East. But I switched to football.
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Transformative year in football because it was a year where
I think maybe the biggest news happened prior to the season,
and that was Reggie White signing with the Green Bay Packers.
And then also that year, Marcus Allen became a member
of the Kansas City Chiefs. Chiefs yes, and had a
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stellar career with the Chiefs, but back then unheard of.
We know the greatness that Reggie White then had in
Green Bay delivering them a Super Bowl a few years later,
but it really changed the NFL. So nineteen ninety three
stands out to me football wise, for nothing that happened
on the field, it's what happened off of it college football.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
That was Florida State. They finally went undefeated, finally went
a national championship. Their quarterback was also a basketball star,
Charlie Ward. Fast break on turf, that's what they called.
That's what they called it. They did lose a game
that year. I was also kind of an interesting, interesting
kind of side note to it, right as they didn't
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they lose the Notre Dame. They lost the Notre Dame
was called the game of the century and then turn
around and beat Florida, Nebraska beat Oklahoma and you know
Notre Dame had After Notre Dame beat Florida State, I
think they lost to Boston College on a less second
field goal. When they lost to Boston College. Here's the
(17:36):
personal side note. The kicker for Boston College actually built
my house.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
When I was in Connecticut. That was like his yeah, like, hey,
what'd you when'd you go to college? Boston College? Like
how do I know your name? I kicked the field
goal that beat Notre Dame. And by the way, back
then Boston College is actually pretty good.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
So yeah, BC was there there. There was a time
when BC was was football for sure. Obviously, Doug Flutie.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
David Gordon.
Speaker 9 (18:01):
Did he major in carpentry, No, he just did it
as like his career.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Not carpentry was like he whittled it.
Speaker 9 (18:09):
He was like the well he was the contract engineering.
Sure so many time structural engineering semi Tech.
Speaker 8 (18:17):
Nineteen ninety three was heartbreak for me in college football,
and it was also the emergence of Wisconsin under Barry Alvarez.
None of my friends growing up and cared about Wisconsin football, yes,
and then all of a sudden they become good and
they're in the thick of it with Ohio State in
trying to go for a Big Ten championship. They actually
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tied at Camp Randall Stadium a game between Ohio State
and Wisconsin. Marlon Kerner blocked a field goal that could
have won it for Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
They ended a tie.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
All Ohio State needed to do was beat Michigan the
final week of the season they would go to the
Rose Bowl. That didn't happen, and then Wisconsin ended up
going to Rose Bowl to the Rose Bowl because they
beat Michigan State in Tokyo, Japan. So that's what happened
in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Ninety three, the Bulls beat the Suns in the NBA Finals.
What was interesting about that one was the Bulls actually
finished three and zero on the road in that series.
They won the first two games on the road, came
back home and the Sons won in triple overtime. Then
the Sons won Game four as well, and excuse me,
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the Bulls won Game four, Sons won Game five, and
that was the famous John Packson on a kickout from
I think Horace Grant jump shot to win the game
that ended up winning the series. And I think Jordan
had thirty three, but it was John Packson who hit
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the shot, and that was Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Charles Parker was the MVP that you're in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, And then a month later the death of James R. Jordan,
Michael Jordan's father, and then three months later or two
months later, the retirement, shocking the world. At age thirty,
Michael Jordan calls it quits for the first time, coming
off of three straight NBA titles. Lots of speculation as
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to why he did that. And they kind of danced
around it in the last dance, get it, they danced
around it around.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
This I think he sort of boogied break dancing unbelievable
year in movies. Jurassic Park, the first of what is
it like twenty Jurassic Parks now Schindler's List, Sleepless in Seattle,
The Sandlot, Rudy Home Alone two, Falling Down.
Speaker 9 (20:58):
Oh with Michael Douglas. Yeah, that is one of my
favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Tombstone all time.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Tombstone is on anybody's list of favorite Westerns of all time.
A bronx tail. Great scene in a bronx tail to
start the movie, right, how you know she's a keeper?
Good one, Missus Doubtfire. Also nineteen ninety three, The Firm,
The Firm, which is a novel that became John Grisham. Right,
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that was John Grisham's first, I think, bestseller that became
a movie as well, Tom Cruise and Tom Cruise was
the star in it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Menace to Society?
Speaker 7 (21:37):
Right?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Cool Runnings was that year. Unbelievableyear.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Carlitos Way, another one, just one after another, all hits classics.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Listen, what were they listening to when they were when
they were playing on their Sony walk book?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Ok, case do? I was just kind of going out
of order here because I love the golf. I like
getting in the golf.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Sam and something else.
Speaker 9 (22:04):
I was just gonna say, you know, I think Iowans
had a reason to get to the movie theater to
kind of escape their lives, because there was a devastating
flood in nineteen ninety three in the state of Iowa
called the Great Flood of ninety three. I was looking
at a picture just now of Bill Clinton and Davenport
surveying the damage.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And you know what, uh did not cause that flood.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
He did not.
Speaker 9 (22:25):
He did not not with that woman. And you know,
the Iowa football team could not get people's spirits up either.
They went six and six, lost to cal in the
Amal Bowl. But their quarterback was current NBC broadcaster Paul Burmeister.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
About that's a good friend of mine. We lived together
in we we lived near each other in Westport, Connecticut.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
I love Paul, and I think his broadcasting career is
you know, longer and more successful than maybe his playing
days at Iowa. But we do claim him as one
of our own.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Sure what happened in golf, Dan, Well, it's funny you ask,
because it was a unique year. There may have been
a flood of tears from Greg Norman both and he
got a flood joke in there. Happy Tears and Sad
Tears lost in a playoff to Paul Aisinger at the
PGA Championship, but it was maybe landed a little softer
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because of his win at the Open Championship in nineteen
ninety three. So Greg Norman getting his second and final
career major. You also had Lee Jansen winning the US
Open and one of our favorites, Bernhardlanger on his second
in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
It's funny you bring up Paul Aisinger. I saw him
interviewed right before that winning that major, and he was
listening to his Walkman, really Walkman at the time. Interesting,
we said, and they said, what are you listening to
right now? Paul? And he's like the song that everybody's
listening to.
Speaker 9 (23:55):
Oh yeah, this is still a jam.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
This is what I call music.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Who eh wop he woo.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
There it is by Tag Team.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Bad Team. What's a damn?
Speaker 3 (24:14):
For those who don't remember who tag Team is? Cecil DC,
the Brain Supreme Glenn and Steve Rolin. Gibson reached number
one on the charts for nineteen straight weeks and of
course everybody remembers woom Dead is made the all fourteenth
on the All Time Greatest Jock Jams All Time list
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Jock Jam jock Jams.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Some other good songs though, I mean think about this, Okay.
Rump Shaker was that year. That's a wrexffect.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
That was a good song.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Nothing but a g.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Thing, Doctor Dre, I will Always love you, Whitney Houston.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Friendly Bodyguard originally written by Jolly Parton, who is in
good Spirits A goods by Janet.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Action that is a great song. Putting rump Shaker.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
By s w V that's sisters with voices.
Speaker 8 (25:06):
Amongst this group, and saying there were a bunch of
great songs is just the issue that.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
To Princess Spin Doctors that sounds like more your jam there,
Dan Byer, your spin Doctor totally over.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
You can be further from the truth. Shows how little
you actually do know me so that you would think
that I would.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Like to spin Doctors. I'm messy with you, Dan, I'm messy.
Speaker 9 (25:30):
You don't like that song, Dan, I just don't love it.
Don't play I don't really it was overplayed.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Yeah it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
No, he just doesn't think it's that good. A song, right,
it's just not your jam, your type of song.
Speaker 8 (25:44):
Yeah, like yeah, it's hippy, it's you know, yeah, I
guess it's catchy in a way.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
All that she Wants a Sabass was that song. That's
one that still gets played.
Speaker 9 (25:57):
That's one of Jason's favorites. All that She Wants is another.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I'll let You wants, keep you locked in? Also, ice Cube,
it was a good day nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Good song.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So people have gone back and tracked exactly what day
ice Cube was talking about. That was a good day.
Have you guys ever seen that on social media?
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Wait, wait the Lakers beat the SuperSonics. Hold on, we
got to go back. There's actually people who have pinpointed
when he wrote that song.
Speaker 9 (26:24):
Is that where he messed around and got a triple double?
Isn't the same song?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, same one?
Speaker 9 (26:29):
Yeah, that's a good day.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
I think he needed a team with four syllables, right,
Like you wouldn't be like yeah, and you could beat
the Lakers beat the Utah Jazz and Rocket.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I don't know, Yeah, Jazz Detroit Pistons doesn't work, SuperSonics does.
Speaker 8 (26:53):
That's got to be like quick. Lakers beat the Trailblazers,
like you got to string it out like that doesn't
doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That's work, doesn't work at all. Anything else happened to nineteenninety.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Three, Home Improvement was the favorite TV show of people
watching on TV. Seinfeld was in its earlier days. Was
ninety three was in its earlier.
Speaker 9 (27:16):
Yeah, it was like nineteen ninety one, ninety eight, ninety
to ninety eight. Seinfeld was just getting popular because the
first season I think with they were like on the
brink of cancelation, and then they started to pick up steam.
They were in their heyday in ninety three.
Speaker 8 (27:31):
Seinfeld ran from July fifth, nineteen eighty nine to May fourteenth,
nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Yeah, oh so midst their prime at that point.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
I thought they started ninety But to.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Dan's point, last week Monday Football had the eighth largest
rated TV show of the year. The TV shows ahead
of it included Fraser Coach Grace, under Fire Coach Roseanne Seinfeld,
Home Improvement Coach.
Speaker 9 (27:59):
Hayden Fox based off of.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
The eight last year the Rams were in were in
in Orange County, that right before they moved to set Tracks.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, the Raiders and the Rams took off the same
season right later.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Is here in ninety three or ninety four, and that
is don't call it a come don't call it a
throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I don't even really work here.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
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Speaker 1 (28:38):
It's the Dog Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It was a hard watch last night with the Dodgers
in the eighth inning. So, uh, seventh inning, Clayton Kershaw
comes in the game.
Speaker 7 (28:50):
And.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I mean he survived, right, he survived? Uh he ends
up putting you know runners on base. Tasker Hernandez makes
two outstanding plays in right field. You know they they
throw a guy out at at home Ki k Hernandez
(29:17):
throws a dude down or no, was it taoskar throws
a guy out at home Ki k Hernandez with like
all three outs were fantastic defensive plays, and say get
they go into the dugout. I remember this is in LA.
So you get to the bottom of the seventh inning
and down three, get three to one. Clayton Kershaw looked
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like a defeated man. He looked like he didn't have
his stuff. So in the bottom half of the seventh inning,
the third out, with Sho heey O Tani coming within,
I'm gonna go three feet of hitting the ball over
the fence and making it a three to two ball game,
because it was at the very back of the warning track.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
But you know, you still got a couple more feet
to go.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I'd say a yard further and it clears the wall
four or five feet further. It clears the wall and
then some and it's out of the left fielder's reach.
But they were that close to making it a one
run game at home with an incredible lineup at Chevez Ravine. Granted,
they were struggling to do anything with Philly's pitching staff.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
So what did the Dodgers do.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
They threw them back out there. Threw them back out there,
and what happened next is it just wasn't pretty. Kershaw
got shelled. The defense also looked shoddy, as I'm sure
they got anybody anybody's been on a team. When the
pitcher can't get anybody out and they're hitting rockets, it'll
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cause you to make airrors. And what was a three
to one game became an eight to one game, ultimately
an eight two game in the bottom of the ninth inning.
Kershaw pitched two full innings, gives up six hits, four
earned runs, five runs total, walks three, gives up two
home runs, and most of the reason he was brought
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in was because they won the lefty lefty matchup with
Kyle Schwarber, who had hit one in the parking lot
earlier in the game and he had another one out
against Kershaw. There's a couple of takeaways I have from this,
and then I would love your thoughts, Jason Stewart, because
you've watched more of Clayton Kershaw's games than anybody in
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our building and I'm guessing anybody who's listening, and he
watched almost all the Dodger games this year. The first
thing is this, Clayton Kershaw had a really good year
regular season in pitching. What you saw last night is
the difference in regular season and postseason. Remember the regular
season this year Clayton Kershaw eleven and two, three point
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three six ERA really surprise year and what'll be his
last year as a Dodger at thirty seven years old,
I mean, it's good. But if you want the difference
and you can tell me he didn't have his stuff,
that's fine. And I'm not sitting here telling you that
he's not a Hall of Famer, he's not an all
time great. It diminishes anything at all. What it does
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is it diminishes regular season versus postseason. This is the
perfect example of how much more difficult postseason baseball is,
because you're facing a lineup that everybody is locked in
on one thing on the scouting port. There's not You're
not playing three and then getting on a plane and
playing three and then getting on a plane and having
a day off and playing four, and getting on a
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plane and taking a day off and then playing two
and then playing three.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You're not doing that.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
You're focused on one team, one scout, you know, one
serve source of analytic data, and you've got to be
ready to go. And the Phillies were. And if you
have anything less than electric stuff, that's what happens to you.
Baseball has two different seasons, and if you want to
know how different those seasons are, watch Clayton Kershaw the
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regular season.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Watch Clayton Kershaw last night.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Every out he got seemed more like luck than every
run they scored. But then it brings up the really
curious question, which is, I understand why you gave him
a look and maybe you want to save some of
the bullpen in the seventh and I get that once
it got out of hand, once they hit a home run,
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it was six to three, you're like, or six to one,
you're like, Ah, just leave him out there. Why send
him back out there in the eighth inning. It's only
a two run game. You got five arms in the bullpen.
Jay Stu helped me out. Let's start with the second one.
They worked back to the first one. Why do you
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think Dave Roberts stuck him out there in the eighth
inning after getting shelled in the seventh inning and they
survived to not give up a run when he was
in there.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
I think Dave has been accused of a lot of things,
and I think maybe a loyalty to some of the
vets is one of the biggest things that he's accused of.
I think that it was almost like he wanted to
give Kershaw a chance to make good and have a
clean inning, and then when it went south. We've seen
a history of this recent history of this with the Dodgers,
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They're more than willing to punt postseason games and wind
up the pitching for the next few games. We found
out after the game that Tanner Scott, the guy they
paid to be a closer who had a horrible season,
was out for personal reasons. So he would have been
the guy to take all the bullets in that eighth
inning happened to be Clayton Kershaw, which was really just
(34:42):
sad for us Dodger fans. That's the last time we
see him on the mound at Dodger Stadium. That's just sad.
It sucked. There's no other way to put it. I
think you sum it up pretty nicely. Hard to watch.
I don't know exactly why Dave brought him out. He
said something along the line of we like them up
and then it got out of hand. But yeah, it
(35:04):
was sad.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Yeah, that was That was a tough one to watch
because to anybody who knows anything about baseball, you're like,
there's one of the greatest pictures of this era and
then he gets shelled. And do I think that they
survive and go to the next round? Yeah, I do think.
(35:26):
You know, they still have two games to win one,
and obviously you'd like to win that at the Ravine,
not go back to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But there is one thing that that that you did
not add. You got, you got almost all of it perfect.
It's just that he's not a relief pitcher, so the
processing getting ready as relievers a whole lot different. So
I'm going to give him some grace on this. I
think the last time you pitched in the postseason and
relief was in twenty seventh World Series nineteen.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
It wasn't in the World Series during COVID.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
No, No, that was the guy that beat his wife
Kershaw pitch I think in twenty nineteen or twenty seventeen
in relief, if not both. And he just hasn't been
doing it. So you add his age, you have the
fact that he's just very hittable, his slider wasn't working,
and then the process of going in this isn't his
regular routine. So yeah, it sucked.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess the question becomes,
if they win in Game four with a completely fresh
and rested bullpen, is he like the MVP because he
took all the bullets?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
But it was hard to watch.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
I mean, he literally couldn't get anybody out. And look,
part of this is, this is why I will never
change my stance on steroid guys in baseball. Hey, because
what happens with natural age and natural progression, and Kershaw's
(37:05):
the perfect example of it. He went from being a
great thrower who could pitch to being kind of the
combination a pitcher who could throw, and then he had
his last couple of years. It was all guile and
intelligence and location and scouting and timing and being a
lefty and crafty knowing he had very good stuff anymore.
But he could still, you know, find a way to
(37:25):
get through six or seven and the Dodgers have the
best line up in baseball and get it done. But
that's that's actually normal. It's normal aging. It's like what
would all of us look like if we don't get
hair transplant surgery and botox and take ozembic. Right, there's
a natural regression through age, like gray hairs are okay.
(37:48):
But steroids changed that, right. Remember Roger Clemens was going
through a regression when he was in Boston. Then he
goes to Toronto and all reports are that's when he started
using steroids. And I was the best picture ball. That
was sad, but that's usually what it looks like on
your way out. Hitters look overwhelmed. Pitchers can't get anybody out.
(38:12):
Now here's the big question. Does it change the series?
Does it change the series? It's the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Fox Sports Radios MOLB insider.
In the MLB MLB Network reporter John Rossi he joins
us as we're right in the middle, right in the
middle of October and DS baseball. Uh, the Yankees are
(38:35):
at home, the Dodgers still need to win a game.
The Cubs force force force to fourth game, just like
the the Phillies did as well.
Speaker 7 (38:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And then of course you got Detroit and Seattle of
the series that that people have forgotten.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
John, Let's start with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
I get why you give Clayton Kershaw a look out
of the bullpen in the seventh but it's three to one. Show,
Hey hits the ball to the warning track. You come
into the eighth inning, they throw him back out there
when he clearly didn't have his stuff. Did the Dodgers
wave the white flag late in yesterday's game?
Speaker 7 (39:07):
Doug good afternoon. It is a very interesting question, and
certainly I'll say this, Kershaw had played well enough during
the stretch run of the regular season to at least
create some positivity and optimism that he'd be able to
be competitive, if not potentially a difference maker for this
(39:29):
team in the postseason. Clearly last night was a counter
argument to that optimism, and I would say, Doug that
it was the second inning in him going back out
there that might be the thing that is garnering the
most second guessing today, I think you're right that the
Dodgers had decided that they were not going to chase
(39:50):
that win yesterday with their best bullpen pieces, and that
they're going to leave Kershaw in there. But it really
was a tough way to see him go out if
the fact that is his last professional outing there was
a beautiful send off at the end of the regular season,
yesterday felt very different in that setting. And now I think,
(40:11):
Doug that the question becomes with Glass now starting Game four.
He is not someone who has really gone deep into games,
and that might be the one bit of important context
for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers that they knew that
their Game four starter is someone who doesn't take you
deep into games. You know that your bullpen is going
to have to be ready and certainly able to cover
(40:34):
multiple innings. In relief of Glass now here in Game
four that they probably did have to play with the
long term in mind and to give themselves the best
chance to win Game four and Game five, even though Doug,
they do not want to go back to Philadelphia. As
great as they look there at games one and two,
it is hard to take your chances of winning a
(40:55):
winner take all game at Citizens Bank Park.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I would tend
to agree with you there.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Let's let's get to have you seen a ball hit
as hard as Swarber's ball was hit?
Speaker 7 (41:13):
The first home run, My goodness, one of the hardest
hit balls certainly that I've ever seen. Actually, I was
at the game yesterday in Detroit. Riley Green had one
of the hardest hit balls he's ever had in that ballpark.
That was absolutely scorched. But I just think with Schwarber,
the iconic location of Dodger Stadium, and we all, anybody's
(41:35):
ever been fortunate enough to see a game at Dodger
Stadium knows exactly how far that pavilion is, exactly how
far the extreme reach of that stadium is, and to
be able to put a ball that distance from home
plate and project it against this backup that we've seen
so many iconic October moments, Doug, I just think stood
(42:00):
out to a lot of us as being a truly
unique October moment. And now the Phillies. It's amazing what
one game, one inning, one swing can do. It seems
as though just over a couple innings yesterday, Doug, the
Phillies got their attitude back. And this is a very
very confident group that got away I think from their
confidence in games one and two a little bit there.
(42:22):
One went away one really good rally away from bringing
this whole series right back to Philly, and they've got
the right guy in the mound for them. Tonight they
were able to win a game that was started by
Nola yesterday, which was really crucial for them. So I
think they're feeling good, and I'll all of a sudden,
I think the Dodgers have a little bit of pressure
on them to wrap this thing up at home, because
(42:43):
I think they want no part of having to take
that cross country trip and deal with a really, really
repped up fan base there in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
What happens now with the Yankees, you know, Doug, it's
an important question.
Speaker 7 (42:58):
I don't think that Aaron Boone will get dismissed. I
don't think he should. I think Aaron Boone is done
with the pieces that he's been given. And I think
what Alex and the guys were talking about in the
panel last night on the Box, I think it was
correct in a lot of ways. It was a roster
that was not the easiest to manage. But when you
(43:20):
look at the rosters that are thriving right now, the
team that just knocked the Yankees out, the Blue Jays,
more athletic, better defense, more adaptability, and just deeper, a
deeper roster. I think the Yankees had a roster of
pieces that didn't quite fit. And when you look at
that and you look at the job that Boone has done.
(43:42):
As long as Judge remains on board with Boone, and
I think he is, then I have a hard time
thinking that the Yankees are going to make this change
if it's against the wishes of their superstar, who is
of course under contract for longer than anybody else in
that organization save ownership. So that's what I look at.
(44:02):
Maybe they'll make some coaching staff changes. They will certainly
have to make some adjustice to the lineup and Doug.
The scary part of your the Yankees is, I guess
these two things. Number One, you're still not sure exactly
Garrett Cole, your one coming back from surgery, what he's
going to be able to do for you. And the
second part of it is a lot of your other
key players this season, Trent Grisham and Cody Bellinger the
(44:25):
name two are free agents. So the Yankees have some
work to do to just get back to being as
good as they were this year, which was not good enough.
And of course it's all happening. The Mets have their
own questions, so it's going to be a very very
busy off season of reporting, I think for all of
my colleagues who are based there in New York City.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, John,
I'm I'm trying to figure out the Cubs. Brewers did
put a runner, a second nobody out down a run
in the eighth inning, so the Cubs kind of survived
the Brewers, But do you think they can carry over
(45:08):
this momentum and win two more.
Speaker 7 (45:10):
The Brewers are the better team. The Brewers I believe
will eventually win this series. I think they're a little
bit deeper, They're a little more creative and how they
can potentially approach you with their different bullpen games and
other philosophies like that. I just think they're a better team.
But I tell you what, Doug, the baseball world is
getting to know Michael Bush, who, in my opinion, is
(45:33):
one of the more overlooked, really good young players in
Major League Baseball. A thirty plus homer bad at first base,
he was really just blocked from playing time in LA
because he was behind Freddie Freeman. So the Cubs very
wisely acquire from the Dodgers and look at the poweries
bringing down the leadoff spot. He's been able to do
that multiple times in this series. So I'm a big
(45:57):
Michael Bush fan. I just think that overall, top to bottom,
the better fundamental team, the better team, the deeper roster
belongs to the Brewers. And wouldn't that be quite a
contrast if it ends up being one of the smallest
markets in all of sports, Milwaukee going up against either
of the Phillies and the Dodgers for the National League Championship.
(46:18):
That's still what I see is the most likely outcome,
although you've got to give the Cubs some credit for
being adaptable enough, and of course that Matthew Boyd a
huge task for him tonight. He did not look good
in Game one. There were some mistakes made defensively behind him,
and now for Matthew a real chance to make amends
for that here in a crucial Game four at home.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
What are your thoughts on the Detroit Seattle series.
Speaker 7 (46:44):
It's all about Trek Scooble on the mound, and he
has been beaten by the Mariners multiple times this season,
and of course he didn't take the loss in Game
two on Sunday, but the Mayors are able to win
that game that he started. I tend to think that
a pitcher of Schoobul's ability and mental strength will just
(47:05):
will his team to a victory and a winner take
all game in Seattle. Of course, you know the backstory, Well,
he went to college there. There's a lot of different
threads of his narrative that intersect with that city. So
it's an ideal stage. Friday Night, the only game going
in baseball, and yet at the flip side of things, Seattle,
(47:25):
to me, Doug, when everything is firing, they have the
better lineup. They showed that, in my opinion in Game
three before the Tigers then were able to flip the
script and just stringing us really good at bats, where
all of a sudden they turned the clock back to
June when they were the best team in baseball for
stretch at the time. So it's a really interesting dynamic.
(47:45):
I think it's going to be Schooble getting to win.
I just have a hard time believing that the Tigers
are going to lose four schoobl starts to the same
team in one year. He's bound to get a victory
against Seattle. And if he does that, plaintively headed east
from Seattle to Toronto. For the Tigers have a chance
(48:05):
to play the Jays in the postseason for the very
first time. And of course, the Tigers haven't won World
Series since eighty four, the Jays not since ninety three,
so some serious droughts would be potentially expunged if that
ends up being the matchup, and honestly, it ends up
being in Seattle, so it's quite a story too, because
Seattle the only active franchise, Doug that has never been
(48:27):
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Crazy stuff. Hey John, you're the best man.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Love your energy, love your passion, love how you cover
the sport and give us your own thoughts and it
comes from such a place of knowledge. Thanks for being
our guest on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 7 (48:41):
Hey thanks, Doug, really appreciate it. I always enjoyed this
time of year, my friend, and look forward to catching
up next time.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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