October 15, 2025 • 44 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug explains how the Los Angeles Dodgers have proven in this post-season that starting pitching is not dead as Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Blake Snell have dominated the Brewers in the first two games of the NLCS.
On this installment of "The Midway", Doug and the crew share the storylines they are most intrigued by halfway through the college football regular season.
Doug reacts to comments made by John Calipari on when he might call it quits. Doug welcomes former Major League All-Star Matt Holliday onto the show to break down the first two games of the LCS and add his insight into why it looks like Shohei Ohtani is struggling at the plate.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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having the greatest day ever ever. No, you're too kind.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I feel good.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You do you feel good?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I feel good too. I feel good too. Uh.
We got some football to get to We got some
basketball to get to it. You're a John Caliperi had
to say about how long he wants to coach. Matt
Holliday will be our guest. We'll talk about the baseball series,
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which it's weird right because they're both teams are going
home up two games to none. It feels like these
series are let down or a bummer. It's like, but
Game one was really really exciting between the Brewers and
the Dodgers, especially in the ninth inning. And you can't
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control how close series are. The most stunning one is
Toronto being down two games none. I did not see
that one coming. I don't think anybody did. But we'll
get to baseball in a second. So we got hoops,
we got Penn State their pursuit. Guess who is their
rumored to be pursuing. I don't actually believe it, but
that's okay. Daniel Jeremiah's going to join us. We'll talk
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some NFL football. Gosh, but I want to start with baseball,
and I want to start with the Dodgers and the
Brewers series. Yamamoto pitches a complete game this after Blake
Snell faced twenty four batters, which is the minimum in
eight innings. Think about that, you faced the minimum number
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of batters in eight innings, minimum number of batters in
eight innings. So I just I know that last year
the Dodgers' bullpen was everything. I know that if you
look at the trade deadline, everybody wants to fix their bullpen. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen.
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Forget about starter. What has been diminished in baseball, Just
like the mid range game in basketball has been diminished
because of analytics, starting pitching has been greatly diminished.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It used to be back in my day, back in
the two thousand and fifteens in twenty twelves, you go
back to the two thousands, back in my day.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You needed two starters and a quality closure already, he said, up, up, man,
maybe you Lefty to get you out of a jam.
And that's about it. Well, a funny thing happened on
the way to having openers and closers and not even
having a defined closer. The LA Dodgers like, yeah, well,
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what if we had the two best starting pitchers and
probably should have let Blake Snell go the distance. The
crazy part about it is that show, hey, Otani hasn't
even pitched yet, right, and Otani this year hasn't been
an ace, but he has been in a pat in
the past. And so you have Yamamoto who's was filthy, filthy,
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Blake Snell, who filthy and has been filthy in the
World Series in the playoffs before the Dodgers took analytics
and said, what if we just had the best starting
pitching And to Jay Stew's point, one of Jay Stew's
points to me when we talked about it was, you know,
it did feel like at the start of the year
they had too much starting pitching, which is what you
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should do if you have a bunch of money is
don't put it all in one guy. Put it in
more guys than anybody else. That's how you're able to
withstand all the injuries. That's how you're able to slowly
get Blake Stell up and going and ready for the playoffs.
But there's lots of things that the data supports, and
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the data is right, and old habits are really hard
to break. And our old habit as viewers as fans
is to assume that starting pitching is dead, dead as
a door nail, And the reality is very much alive
and well, very much alive and well. With the La Dodgers,
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we still have a ton of questions about their bullpen.
They weren't answered in Game one. Those questions are right
there Sasaki, who's a starter, and again he's a guy
who eventually, probably next year, is in their rotation and
his stuff is filthy, and there's more starting pitching. My
assumption is the reason the Dodgers did it is starting
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pitching is so expensive that the teams that are cost conscious, well,
they feel like, eh, let's cut a corner here, Let's
get a guy here, you know, a starter here, and
that's really save our money and we'll spend our money
in our bullpen. That's not the Dodgers. The Dodgers actually
can do both. But as as we told you, and
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this is not just Jason Stewart, this is me, he
was trade deadline. The surprising part was that they did.
They took some broken down pieces there for that middle relief,
and they haven't panned out well for them. But they're
gonna have a filthy bullpen in the future, and they're
gonna have these starters in the future. I don't know.
I watched Games one and two and there's a lot
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of takeaways, but the biggest takeaway is not just that
the Dodgers are better or that the Dodgers look like
a better baseball team, and they do it with Mookie
Betts barely hitting and Shoheo Tony. He had one RBI,
a hard to hit ground ball between first and second.
And that's really it for this series. With limited production
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from your two best hitters, from two future Hall of famers,
they're up two games to none. Why because starting pitching
still very much has a place, very much has a
place in high level playoff baseball. I live ale playoff baseball.
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Not a foregone conclusion, but feels a little bit that way.
Here's Pat Murphy, who's the manager of the Brewers, talking
about that Dodgers dominant starting pitching.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
You know, both those pitchers were as dominant as two
pitchers have been. You know, we chased way more than
we've chased all year. We've been the best in baseball.
Not chasing these pitchers brought out the worse than us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
If I would have told you that the Dodgers are
going to score seven runs in two games and what
was the outcome in the first two games, I'd say
there's a chance we won one of them, for sure.
You know, our pitching is beat up, you know that.
I mean, it was the emotional series with the Cubs
and then our pitching has been so we weren't as sharp.
But I thought Freddie pitched well, and you know, I
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thought Ashby came in and did a great job. Gasser
came in and did a great job, Anderson came in
and did a great job. So we had some we
had some good performances, but offensively, you've got to grind
out at batts and that's that's what been our forte
The ball strike has been really at the core of
our offensive success, and sometimes great pitching brings out the
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worst in you.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It can't. That's a it's a that's a great point.
Here's Dave Roberts, the manager of the Dodgers, on what
led up to Yamamoto's outing last night.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is.
I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was
a transition, and even in the postseason I didn't give
him a whole lot of leash, and we also had
a really talented bullpen, which we clearly leaned on and
have talked about, you know, a lot. But I think
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this year he's got true confidence. For me, that third
time through at pitch ninety, he feels that he's the
best option, and so I think for me, that just
gives me that confidence.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah. I mean, whether it's Dave or upstairs that allowed
him to close that game. Jay STU going to the ninth,
what did you think was going to happen last night?
Speaker 7 (08:45):
I thought that they were going to go to one
of their gas cans in the bullpen. But I think
I bet I was secured by the lead five to one,
so it didn't matter they could have brought in Tanner Scott,
who's just awful at pitching, and that would have been fine.
I did scratch my head. There's a I don't understand
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the mentality, and if Dave was asked this, I didn't
hear the answer because I sure looked I don't understand.
One of my I guess criticisms off of Game one
was one of the reasons why I was pissed off
that Blake Snell didn't start the ninth inning at least,
was because Dave took a chance for Blake Snell to
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make history away from him. Remember last week when we
talked about signature moments in the postseason from great players,
and one of the comments in that exchange was it's
hard to have a signature moment if you're a starting pitcher.
But Blake Snell had a chance to go out get
the outs in the ninth and be the only pitcher
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since Larson to face twenty seven batters in a postseason game.
That's the signature moment. So I thought Dave took that
moment away from him, and that pissed me off. So
why bring Yama Motor out for the ninth if you
were gonna take snow out that that's confounding to me.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can
think of is he learned from the previous night's mistake.
Is that is that fair? Like, just because you did
it the night before and it proved to be a mistake,
does that mean you have to do it again just
to be consistent? Like, am I making sense?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
No?
Speaker 7 (10:21):
I'm just saying that there was much more incentive.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, no, no, I am not disputing that. You and I
completely agree, Jason. It was a Don Larson esque pitching performance.
It made total sense. He was mowing him down. He's
not a guy who you feel like is gonna have
an arm issue because he's not throwing a hundred plus right,
He's part of part of the allure to him is
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that that curve ball was so filthy, so filthy, they
could not figure him out and it was the bottom
of the lineup. So you and I agree. But just
because you do something that doesn't make sense the night before,
is the wrong decision the night before and your bullpen
nearly blows it, that does not mean that you have
to make the same decision, even if it's not nearly
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the storybook. It was the night before.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That's fair.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
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Speaker 1 (11:18):
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you're doing great. We think Jason Stewart's in a decent mood.
Right decent mood. I mean, as Dodgers are of two
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games none, it doesn't appear to be like the like
the Brewers are going to be super competitive. I guess
Jay stew we'll get to midway. But I know nobody
wants to count their chickens for they're hatched. But you
gotta be feeling pretty good today with the Dodgers of
two games done and such outstanding starting pitching, and you
haven't even gotten much from show.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hey yet, I don't even know.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I don't think Isaac has heard this analogy, so I
think he'll enjoy it and appreciate it. And for those
listeners who haven't heard it, I've likened being a Dodger
fan to being the child of a drunk, So your
pops is a drunk and you live in this tormented
world where even on the days when he comes home sober,
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you live the entire day fearing about the guy that
was going to show up. I think I share a
lot of Dodger fans view on this and that we
never know which team's going to show up. I could
be happy today, but I liken it too when you
invite your friends over for a sleepover and the good
dad shows up and the friends are like, man, what
a cool guy. He's awesome. You know, he gave us
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one hundred bucks for a thirty dollars pizza. Yeah, I'm
in a good spot right now. But for those that
watch this team every day, you know that anything can
happen at any minute. Does that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I will.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
Wow, that escalated quickly. Yeah, you know what, I could
actually say that that perfectly captures the emotions for most
sports fans out there about their favorite team.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's like you'll keep going back from more regardless of it.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a little harsh
in regards to the Dodgers, like there their outcomes have
not been there has not been that wide a variance
in it, Like why do you think it happened, like, well,
they win like two thirds of the time, Jason, and
they've been pretty good in the playoffs. So yeah, I mean,
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I get it, you're tormented by past playoff failures. And
in no, in no way should we chalk this up
as hey, that's a dub, that's a win, no question
about it. On the other hand, there is a portion
of it where you go, dude, you're up two games
to none. This thing appears to be over. It's just
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a matter of how many, Like do you really think
the Brewers can win four of what five games?
Speaker 7 (14:09):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Right? Yeah? Four or five games? Do you think they
can win four or five games off the Dodgers?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I mean, they're the best team in the regular season, right,
they've gone on.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That's never been that has never been a determinant into
who can be successful in the postseason in Major League Baseball, ever,
it's the one sport where the regular season truly doesn't matter.
It just does not in terms of determined It's a
different sport once you get to the postseason. I don't
think you wouldn't argue that, would you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Oh no, No.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
It's one of my biggest criticisms of the baseball playoffs.
But I do remember telling Brewer fans, namely Dan Byer
and August I think the Brewers had won some like
ridiculous amount, like thirty out of thirty one or something crazy.
And I'm like, I remember our Dodgers in twenty seventeen
when they had went on a similar streak. In August,
Sports Illustrated came out with regular season ever and then
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they went on to lose and then lose in the postseason.
So yeah, you're right, two different seasons, two different teams.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Maybe let's uh, let's do this. We do this every Wednesday.
It's the middle of the week, the middle of the day, frankly,
the middle of the show. We're like, middle of the show,
your two hours, don't know. We have the Hour podcast,
which goes live as soon as this show's Oh, we
can download wherever you download podcast. Let's get to the midway.
He's not getting the middle.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's time for the.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Midway, Jason Stewart, what's the topic?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
I'll take it from here. I'll tell you what. I
sent this message to the group text, and I was
hoping to get a lot of good feedback guys, today
we have a chance at a pure midway. What does
that mean? You say, the middle of the show, the
middle of the day, middle of the week, middle of
the month, Doug. And also for most college football teams,
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it's the very middle of the regular season. This is
a pure midway. So many middles, more middles.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Than a.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I know Isaac could think of something more witty than
I can. But anyways, what's storyline right now in college
football most has your attention? I want you to pick one.
I want you to drill down on it. Why is
it so interesting to you? And to be honest, our guy,
Ryan Smith filling in for Iowa Sam, Today's got a
really good one, Ryan Smith, what's the most intriguing storyline
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right now in college football for you? I do?
Speaker 10 (16:34):
Oh, yeah, I do yeah. So I love train wrecks,
And well, Penn State needs a coach and the rumor
is they want Marcus Freeman. Well guess what, They're not
gonna get him. And I'm wondering what their backup plan
is or if they even have a backup plan. And
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show because
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I believe this is going to be a train wreck.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
An easy answer for that one, right, Penn State's got
one choice.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, it's Matt rule. If they don't get Matt Ruhle,
it'll be a trade wrecker, just because I mean, it's
just it's a little too simple. He's in the league,
he did a great job turning around Temple, he went there,
he's close with the athletic director. Like this one seems
really easy. I don't believe for one second that an
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athletic director who has a lifetime friendship with a high
level coach who's like that, he'll go and he go
anywhere else in there. Why because the relationship has to
be a really strong one in order to succeed, has
to be. If you're athletic director, you aren't on the
same page. It's not gonna work. Same thing with the president.
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And those guys are Penn State guys, they're good friends.
If it doesn't end up there, yeah, then it now
becomes weird and probably a trader.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I personally said.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I personally said before the season that my most I
think the favorite thing that I'm looking forward to following
is Arch Mannings season. I want to watch Arch's arc
and it has been up and down. I think mostly
down or mid. You know, there was always this thing
where teams like the Saints were going to tank tank
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for Arch. I don't think that's a thing anymore. I
don't think he's the consensus number one overall pick after
six games of the college football season. I could be wrong.
And I don't even think he needs to come out
this year. I remember his granddad, Archie, before the season,
told that random magazine that it's not even a foregone
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conclusion that he'll come out after this season. So I
think at the midway point, in my very pedestrian, average
college football casual viewpoint, I don't think Arch Manning is
the number one overall pick in the draft. So I
think we could stop all the narratives about these teams
tanking for number one, right. I don't think the Jets
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take I think.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
They're taking for him. I think they're tanking for the
best possibility of drafting a quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Oh yeah, no, that's that's always a thing. But I mean,
Arch isn't the guy, right, because that was the kind
of the off season thing. Tank for Arch, lose for Arch.
Could we do away with that?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah? We can? Okay, what about you there? I love I'm.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Actually going to go with the two Los Angeles teams
completely out of nowhere, starting with USC which took a
big step in making a believer out of me with
not only beating Michigan last week, but the way they
beat Michigan last week. And you want to talk about
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a potential springboard to a whole new level, what are
you know at Notre Dame this weekend? And then you
couple that with something that completely came out of nowhere.
You have UCLA, which we've been making fun of their
lack of attendance and the whole Deshaun Foster thing was
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a disaster, and out of nowhere they beat Penn State.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
They set that particular ball in motion.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
And then I'm like, oh, all right, hey, this is
what they're going to remember for this year, you know,
whatever is going to happen. And then Tim Skipper, the
interim head coach, challenges them. He puts, are you going
to be a one hit wonder? On the team plane
on their way to Michigan State, And then they not
only win at Michigan State, but they thrash them. So
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suddenly you have the two LA programs being really interesting stories.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Out of nowhere.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
And we'll see where it goes from the UCLA standpoint
with Tim Skipper as the.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Interim head coach.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Consequently, this leads to a side side light that maybe
you guys can opine on where does James Franklin wind
up next season?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Could Ucla be where he winds up?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
But I just I'm fascinating, fascinated by the fact that
just within the last couple of weeks, both Los Angeles
teams have suddenly made themselves relevant in college football.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, I think that's one thing that's interesting about it
is we heard so much about, Hey, these West Coast
schools coming to the Midwest. Travel's gonna hurt them, Weather's
gonna hurt them, They're going to get dumped. And well
then I saw USC, UCLA, Oregon did beat Penn State
before losing at home to Indiana. But I saw them
all get huge road winds and tough environments against good teams.
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So like, what are we actually doing? Like what it's
not the big bead wolf.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I've never understood that.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Doug, You're right, because when we're talking about football, you're
going on a charter flights.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
They also, people don't understand how far Washington State is
from Tucson, Arizona or U c l A. Like there
are there if you're flying there anyway, it's not like
you're busting.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
To these games, right and you can give and so
it's I'm with you, you're not connecting through Oakland.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I would say it's it's much more difficult.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
For say the volleyball teams, for example, that have to
travel commercial halfway across the country, which the football teams,
you know, they don't have to change planes.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They're going direct and it's chartered.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I have one thing, one a couple of things, uh
my two takeaways from Isaac's point. Uh First and foremost,
how bad a coach must have sewan walked, foster bait
sewn foster bit must be awful? And then second, I
have a suggestion for the U. C l A band,
you know that play in front of the eight thousand
people at the Rose Bowl. I think they need to
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work Gilligan's Islands theme into their repertoire. And then at
the at the great point, at the at the part
when they need to do it, just be like Tim
Skipper ran the Mary Anne here running Tim Skipp ber
Ram Mary Ann You guys understand it eventually I did
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come from Skip Mary and.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Is Jerry Neuheisel the little buddy?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It's a good one. Probably is a little buddy. That's
a really good call. Good call. All right? So what
am I most in drink by by with college football?
I mean, obviously the coaching firings like so early the
year is an easy one that I've I've kind of
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kind of railed on. But I just the SEC is
so much better than everybody else, and I just wonder
what if we're still going to be a year late
in our analysis of it. Last year you had a
couple of SEC teams not getting the College Wall playoffs,
Alabama one, what Tennessee was another, and instead they took
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other other programs. I just don't think they can this year. Now.
Last year you would have said, okay, maybe I can
see it because the SEC seemed to be a little
bit down. There was much more parody. I just don't
see the parody this year. I don't if Penn State,
especially that Drew Aller, they're out. So in the Big ten,
you have Indiana, we have Oregon, and you have Ohios.
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Tight those three, there's nobody else to go. No one
else's is worthy, he is going to climb that. I mean,
maybe USC, but man, they gotta they gotta beat Notre Dame,
which I don't think happens. They gotta win games here
at the end of the year possible, right with the
only loss being went to Illinois and the road. I
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just I look at the SEC and I think it's
a It's a league that was dominant an il comes
out and some of the investments were bad, some of
the teams are bad. Now it's just amazing. It's an
amazing league. It's way better than everybody else. And when
I call out a league, I'm not saying the Big Ten.
I think the Big Ten is second, maybe not a
close second this year because the injuries, especially quarterback. But
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I think the comparison to Big ten SEC and like
Big twelve ACC, you have a gigantic cap. Now I'm
not saying Miami. Miami has loaded up financially and they
have it all for a college football team, But overall,
the ACC is pales in comparison. Overall the Big twelve
pales in comparison. Those are good teams. It's just a
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different lower level of football because of the financial investment
the SEC and the Big Ten at any anybody else,
Boom Midway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
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Speaker 1 (25:59):
App Stuck Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So sec media
days are ongoing, and it is weird right that John
Caliperry's head coach at Arkansas. It does take a little
second to kind of get that reset right, like Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas, Okay, Okay,
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how long is he gonna do it? Right? Here's John
Caliperry when he talked about when he'll likely retire.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I want to help twenty five to thirty more families.
The only way you do that is your transformational as
a coach. You're not transactional. If I become transactional, I'm
gonna pay you this to do this and that, then
I won't do this anymore. I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think it's a really interesting way of look at
It's it's one of the parts that a lot of
these coaches don't like. It's like I don't want to
transactional relationship. I love that. It's a great way to
put it, and you kind of got to guard yourself
against it. Does that mean that they aren't going to
end up being transactional relationships even when they begin as transformational. No,
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I'm sure there's plenty of guys who he feels like
he transformed their lives and like, it's not really that
one down. But I get what he's saying. I get
what he's saying, But I also think that there's a
certain car salesman element to it that we all know
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is the perception. And John cal Perry's never shied away
from the perception of who he is and what he's
about and how his program works. He talks about the players,
you know, I want to change his families, Like, Okay,
it's a little much, it comes across a little steep,
but I know what he's saying. He wants to his
whole thing is about life changing wealth that you make
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in the NBA, not the the not the quick buck
that you're going to make in college basketball. It's fair,
it's fair, But reality is he's got to win, and
his old ways of doing it of bringing in five
freshmen and sprinkling in some veterans and then five more freshmen,
that's a hard way to live in this day and
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age it is. He brought back most of his crew
from last year. That's why they think they'll be pretty good.
But I, you know, it's not as transformational, and it's
more transactional than he's giving it credit. But I do
think that's the key to this whole thing. That's the
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difference between the old Guard and the New Guard. The
new Guard's like, it's transactional whatever. You know, they don't
have to worry about us. I don't have to worry
about them after next year. If we don't want them around,
we to get rid of them. If they want to
be with us, we get rid of them again. That's
the new age of thinking. I do not think that way.
I guess i'd be old school. This is John cal
Perry being old school, which is, hey, I just I
want to help these kids for the rest of their lives.
(28:56):
It does still work in recruiting. It is still true
if you if you want to be true, even after
they leave, even after they transfer, you can choose to
stay in contact with them or not. You know, kids don't.
Maybe they find it weird. I still talk to some
of my former players, and I've only been doing this
for a year and guys I wanted to stay left.
That's what happens, not all of them, but a couple
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of them that left. I prefer they stayed. We still communicate.
I want to be that guy in their corner forever.
But I also think that at the level and the
amount that Arkansas is playing at, I don't know if
that's truly possible. I don't know if that's truly possible.
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We've been talking a lot about the mostly the NLCS
more so than the Alcyes. We'll get to that as well.
Matt Holliday is our guest, seven time All Star, four
times Silver Slugger, and father of a big leaguer and
as soon to be big leaguer and Ethan Holliday, who
was the fourth pick and last year's this year's Major
League Baseball Draft, Matt, let let's start with with Blake Snell.
(29:59):
I started the show just so you know with I
understand analytics, I understand data, I understand what you're suposed
to do, why you're supposed to do it. But there
still is a place for big time starting pitching. Right.
The last couple of years had been about an opener,
and even last year's Dodgers really it's about their middle
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relief more than anything. But through two games, they're starting
pitching has been dominant. Is this an outlier? Why? Why
are the Dodgers Why have they been able to be
so dominant with starting pitching when starting pitching in the past,
I don't know, decade or so has been diminished year
after year.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
Well, I think that the fact that they signed some
of the best ones. I mean, I mean you talk
about Snow, he's one of si young in both leagues.
And then they bring over the best starting pitcher from
Japan a couple of years maybe apart. So they've brought
over you know that they obviously they got show Hay
from the Angel that they bring over the best starting
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pitcher in Japan, and they loaded up before the season.
And I would argue that before the season they had
they had ten starters penciled in they would probably all
of them would start in almost every rotation in baseball.
So I think they looked at last year's team, despite
the fact that they won the World Series with primarily relievers,
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like you said earlier, and they said, we don't know
that that's sustainable, and so, you know, they go out
they put an incredibly talented rotation together and then you know,
like I said, Snell was he basically pitched I think
seventy something innings during the regular season, and so they
had the they had the ability to not push him,
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and they maybe went through some dead arm stuff and
just when you're when you're that good and you have
that kind of depth and you have that kind of
you know, the reality is they were going to be
in the playoffs. So what you do is you have
you have the ability to let Snow get completely healthy
and then he's peaking at the end of the season
and rolling into the playoffs pitching better than I've ever
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seen me. His command, you know, he's struggled with walks, uh,
you know, in his career, and that's always kind of
been a little bit of his bugaboo that he has
to come out early in the games because he throws
so many pitches. But he's throwing strikes. He's pitching the
high nineties. He's got a slider and a curve and
a changeup that he's pitching he's using more and so
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I mean, he's he's been dominant. And then you know,
like I said, they've got they've got a lot of
a lot of good options in the rotation. I've always thought, Doug,
if you're you're starting pitching is good, you have a
great chance to win. Now there's been some some bullpenning,
and you know, there's been some a little bit of
a little bit of uh, you know, some of the
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opener stuff and maybe some some things, and philosophy has
changed a bit. And I think people looked at the
Dodgers last year and and said, well, you know, you
can win the World Series with a good bullten But
I've always thought that the team you start with the rotation,
and that's where you build around.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's amazing
about the Dodgers two games to none lead is that
they've done it with limited help from Mookie and just
one hit from show Hey, right, that ground ball would
scored a run. Let's start with show Hay. Why is
he struggling? What are they doing to cause the greatest
hitter in the game to struggle so far through too?
Speaker 11 (33:32):
You know, he looks a little in between. I don't
know if people understand what that means. It looks to
me like he's a little late on the fastball. He's
he's a little out in front of the off speed.
So I think they've pitched him enough back and forth
with starting him with off speed or starting with fastball,
pitching him in, pitching him down. I think they've done
a really good job of moving the ball around on him.
(33:54):
And he just looks to me like he's a little
off on his approach. And then now it looks like
it's in his head a little bit, and so I
I last night he took a swing on a high
fastball that you just don't see him do very often,
and his look on his face was that of a
hitter that I know that face very well of. I'm
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a little lost, I'm in my own dome, like I'm
thinking too much. You know, it looks like he's getting
pitches right now to where you know, obviously, when hitters
are really good, their their timing is ready for the
fastball and they're reacting to the off speed in a
way that you know allows their body to still hit
both pitches. And it looked to me like he's he's
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a and you know, Doug, I've heard that he's very
much into he videos every swing I've had is right there.
Even during batting practice, in the cage, and so he's
very meticulous with every thing he takes and his mechanics,
and sometimes that's you know, that serves him well obviously,
but sometimes you know, that could get get in your
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head a little bit. You start thinking about your mechanics
and then the next thing you know, you're you're a
little bit lost. But you know, these two starting pitchers
have carried them and allowed those guys to not have
to do much offensively.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
How how hard is that to fix when you're in
the series, Like, how do you if some's in your head?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Because I remember you had a time this year when
you went down, you helped out help Jackson out. Yeah,
he's different, he's a younger player. This is you know,
arguably the greatest to ever do it. How long does
it take to to get that, to flush that out?
Get out of your head?
Speaker 11 (35:31):
You know it? It's one swing, you know, he'd I
think he has that heart single RBI single late in
the game yesterday. It's you know for him, you know
when you're talking about just a brilliant talent combined with
you know, obviously someone whose mental attitude was off the
charts as well. I mean i'd be surprised if if
he doesn't get hot. You know, that's the one thing
(35:54):
about the Dodgers. They they're all they're you know, they're
they're they're they're MVPs. Haven't even got hot, and they're
still you know, sort of running through the playoffs with
with starting pitching and and some of their unsung heroes
coming up with big hits. And it feels it feels
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a lot like an easy Dodger World Series championship. And
I'm sure Jay stew is cringing as I say that,
but that's what it feels like. I thought the Phillies
Dodgers series to me was the two best teams, and
I still feel that way.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Stuck Gotleab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
what about? What can the Brewers do right? Like it did?
It felt inevitable the last two nights because of the
starting pitching. Now you got show Hay right much easier
if you were to. I know how much Burth thinks
if you've used to call you and say, Matt, what
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should we do? What's your advice?
Speaker 11 (36:55):
You know, there's at this point to see and they
just kind of have to be who they are right,
try to get on base, try to try to hit
and run, trying to maybe move move the ball around
a little bit, try to put some people in motion
and try to try to make it hard on the Dodgers.
As far as putting a little pressure on them, Uh, look,
they don't. They don't have a guy of guys that
(37:16):
can hit homers. I mean, they have a few guys
that can sprinkle. You know, They've they've got you know,
Yellows hit twenty nine, I think, and in Turio has
shown some good power. But you know, when you look
at their lineup, they're they're gonna have to to find
ways to steal base and do things that they did
all year, which is which is how they they've won games.
But I mean, the bottom line is they got to hit.
(37:36):
I mean they're you know, obviously going up against those
two starters, it's it's no I mean, I'm not sure
any lineup would have had much success. But they have
to hit. They have to take a little pressure off
their pitching. It's hard when your your your rotation and
your your relievers know that you can't give up many
runs because you're having a hard time scoring. So there's
(37:58):
nothing much you can say, think, right, now Doug others
and just keep keep plugging away and uh and go
out there and maybe try to scratch a run early,
a little pressure on on the Dodgers and see if
they can't get a little momentum swished back in their favor.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
What's your reaction to the Mariners dominance on the road
of the of the Blue Jays.
Speaker 11 (38:17):
I am a little surprised. I mean, the Blue Jays
played really really well at home, so I'm kind of
surprised that they went in there and took too But
you know, they're hot. You know that that that game.
Sometimes those long games, extraating games, sometimes that can conzapt
you of energy and then sometimes that really can like
propel you into like, oh, this is our year. You know,
(38:41):
this is this is our you know, we've got the
we've got the mojo, this is this is uh, this
is going to be you know, I think that they
they're really building off of that game five against Detroit
and and took it into Toronto, and you know, it's
one of the you know baseball like they've been getting
runs early in the game and and uh, and that
(39:03):
puts a lot of pressure. In the postseason, you just
start to press a little bit, and and uh, I
am surprised. I didn't think that they would they would
win both in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, and it wasn't close. And again the difference is
starting pitching, right, like their starting pitching got lit both games.
You know, Brewer starting pitching. Actually Game one was good
but didn't extend them. Hey, let me let me circle
back to the to the to the Dodgers just for
a second game one ninth inning, two run lead, would
(39:36):
you have put snellback out there? Well, one hundred and
three pitches.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
You know, I just think that the way his season
has gone, I look, I mean yes, I think. You know,
if a guy's rolling, and the thing that sometimes for
me is how easy he's getting the team out. And
he was getting them out like seemingly without sweating like
(40:03):
it was. It looked like he was just like whatever
pitch he wanted and whatever count he wanted it, and
he was just locked in. And so for me, it's
it's hard to take that guy out now if the
you know, it's the seventh and eighth inning. Uh, he
was laboring a little bit and the pitch count was
high in one of those innings, but he seemed to
(40:24):
be getting better as he was going. But I don't
know what his pitch count high this year has been.
Like I said, he's only thrown I think only threw
seventy some innings in the regular season. So I think
you have to be you have to be a little
bit cautious for his next start because you know, you're
you're at this point, you're thinking, we're gonna make it
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to the World Series. And if he goes out there
and I let him throw one hundred and twenty pitches
in him four days, he's super sore or you know,
I have to comes down as triceps tight or and
then all of a sudden, you know, it screws up
your plans for the World Series. So I mean, look,
I think you can look at it both ways. But
Dave Roberts knows, you know, obviously he's with them every
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day and he knows the ins and out so and
then you know, the next night he let's he lets
the other guy throw the whole game. So I think
it probably has more to do with with Snells, maybe
just this this season and the way that you know,
maybe he's had a little bit of dead arm at
times and they've had to they've had to work around
(41:29):
some some injury stuff that probably kept him from sending
him back out.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
what what can we learn, Like, what can we learn
from this baseball for future years?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Like?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Right, Like the the Brewers are they play mostly small ball,
really athletic, tremendous defensively, right, and they've they they've been
able to withstand injuries the past two years to get here.
The right they went from their bullpend being their secret
to now being their their secret sauce to now being
starting pitching at least in this series. And then they
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just have an overwhelming lineup. Then you have the Mariners
and who make a late season acquisition for a big
home run hitter that seems to put them over the top.
Then obviously they got the Blue Jays as well. What
what's the takeaway? Like, where are we with baseball outside
of the Dodgers And they're seeming dominance that that's a
trend that other people are going to copy.
Speaker 11 (42:30):
Yeah, I mean I think there's I think for me,
what it says is there's a lot of ways to win.
I mean, I think there's a lot of ways to
build teams that can get to this point. I mean,
I think you can build with starting pitching. I think
you know that you have enough offense. The Mariners have
had great starting pitching the last few years, but just
haven't quite quite enough offense. Well they you know, Cal
Rawly hit sixty homers, they get Sworez back, a Rose
(42:54):
Arena has a good season. Now all of a sudden
they're scoring some runs. Tied with their good pitching. Blue
Jays blue Jays are They've won a lot of games
on in a lot of different ways. I think they've
been good in all areas. I don't think they've necessarily
been great, but you know, when you have a guy
like Laddie and then you got the Schett, who I
think led the American League hits but obviously hasn't been
(43:16):
in in postseason. But they've got a couple of superstars.
So I think I think you can build teams differently.
Like you said earlier, the Dodgers won last year with bullpen.
This year that they're winning was starting pitching. So I
think how you build your team and then like your
core and then kind of building around that is interesting
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because I do think that there's different philosophies and obviously
how much money you have. You know, Brewers don't have
the money the Dodgers have, so they have to build
their team a little differently but is effective. And I
think that's the fun part about these smaller markets is
they have to figure out how to beat somebody like
the Dodgers, who can, you know, spend whatever they want.
(44:03):
So I think it's fun based on it's a fun
game in that there's just a lot of different ways
to build a good team.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Matt, you're the best, Bud. I appreciate you joining us.
We'll see what these series look like. Is right now
there are two games and none with the home teams returning.
With that leads we may be all West Coast series
with with the Mariners and the Dodgers. Appreciate you being
our guest. We'll talk real soon.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Good dog,
Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb
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(00:23):
having the greatest day ever ever. No, you're too kind.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I feel good.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You do you feel good?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
No?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yeah, I feel good too. I feel good too. Uh.
We got some football to get to We got some
basketball to get to it. You're a John Caliperi had
to say about how long he wants to coach. Matt
Holliday will be our guest. We'll talk about the baseball series,
(01:01):
which it's weird right because they're both teams are going
home up two games to none. It feels like these
series are let down or a bummer. It's like, but
Game one was really really exciting between the Brewers and
the Dodgers, especially in the ninth inning. And you can't
(01:22):
control how close series are. The most stunning one is
Toronto being down two games none. I did not see
that one coming. I don't think anybody did. But we'll
get to baseball in a second. So we got hoops,
we got Penn State their pursuit. Guess who is their
rumored to be pursuing. I don't actually believe it, but
that's okay. Daniel Jeremiah's going to join us. We'll talk
(01:46):
some NFL football. Gosh, but I want to start with baseball,
and I want to start with the Dodgers and the
Brewers series. Yamamoto pitches a complete game this after Blake
Snell faced twenty four batters, which is the minimum in
eight innings. Think about that, you faced the minimum number
(02:07):
of batters in eight innings, minimum number of batters in
eight innings. So I just I know that last year
the Dodgers' bullpen was everything. I know that if you
look at the trade deadline, everybody wants to fix their bullpen. Bullpen, bullpen, bullpen.
(02:31):
Forget about starter. What has been diminished in baseball, Just
like the mid range game in basketball has been diminished
because of analytics, starting pitching has been greatly diminished.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
It used to be back in my day, back in
the two thousand and fifteens in twenty twelves, you go
back to the two thousands, back in my day.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
You needed two starters and a quality closure already, he said, up, up, man,
maybe you Lefty to get you out of a jam.
And that's about it. Well, a funny thing happened on
the way to having openers and closers and not even
having a defined closer. The LA Dodgers like, yeah, well,
(03:17):
what if we had the two best starting pitchers and
probably should have let Blake Snell go the distance. The
crazy part about it is that show, hey, Otani hasn't
even pitched yet, right, and Otani this year hasn't been
an ace, but he has been in a pat in
the past. And so you have Yamamoto who's was filthy, filthy,
(03:43):
Blake Snell, who filthy and has been filthy in the
World Series in the playoffs before the Dodgers took analytics
and said, what if we just had the best starting
pitching And to Jay Stew's point, one of Jay Stew's
points to me when we talked about it was, you know,
it did feel like at the start of the year
they had too much starting pitching, which is what you
(04:03):
should do if you have a bunch of money is
don't put it all in one guy. Put it in
more guys than anybody else. That's how you're able to
withstand all the injuries. That's how you're able to slowly
get Blake Stell up and going and ready for the playoffs.
But there's lots of things that the data supports, and
(04:26):
the data is right, and old habits are really hard
to break. And our old habit as viewers as fans
is to assume that starting pitching is dead, dead as
a door nail, And the reality is very much alive
and well, very much alive and well. With the La Dodgers,
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we still have a ton of questions about their bullpen.
They weren't answered in Game one. Those questions are right
there Sasaki, who's a starter, and again he's a guy
who eventually, probably next year, is in their rotation and
his stuff is filthy, and there's more starting pitching. My
assumption is the reason the Dodgers did it is starting
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pitching is so expensive that the teams that are cost conscious, well,
they feel like, eh, let's cut a corner here, Let's
get a guy here, you know, a starter here, and
that's really save our money and we'll spend our money
in our bullpen. That's not the Dodgers. The Dodgers actually
can do both. But as as we told you, and
(05:32):
this is not just Jason Stewart, this is me, he
was trade deadline. The surprising part was that they did.
They took some broken down pieces there for that middle relief,
and they haven't panned out well for them. But they're
gonna have a filthy bullpen in the future, and they're
gonna have these starters in the future. I don't know.
I watched Games one and two and there's a lot
(05:52):
of takeaways, but the biggest takeaway is not just that
the Dodgers are better or that the Dodgers look like
a better baseball team, and they do it with Mookie
Betts barely hitting and Shoheo Tony. He had one RBI,
a hard to hit ground ball between first and second.
And that's really it for this series. With limited production
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from your two best hitters, from two future Hall of famers,
they're up two games to none. Why because starting pitching
still very much has a place, very much has a
place in high level playoff baseball. I live ale playoff baseball.
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Not a foregone conclusion, but feels a little bit that way.
Here's Pat Murphy, who's the manager of the Brewers, talking
about that Dodgers dominant starting pitching.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
You know, both those pitchers were as dominant as two
pitchers have been. You know, we chased way more than
we've chased all year. We've been the best in baseball.
Not chasing these pitchers brought out the worse than us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
If I would have told you that the Dodgers are
going to score seven runs in two games and what
was the outcome in the first two games, I'd say
there's a chance we won one of them, for sure.
You know, our pitching is beat up, you know that.
I mean, it was the emotional series with the Cubs
and then our pitching has been so we weren't as sharp.
But I thought Freddie pitched well, and you know, I
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thought Ashby came in and did a great job. Gasser
came in and did a great job, Anderson came in
and did a great job. So we had some we
had some good performances, but offensively, you've got to grind
out at batts and that's that's what been our forte
The ball strike has been really at the core of
our offensive success, and sometimes great pitching brings out the
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worst in you.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It can't. That's a it's a that's a great point.
Here's Dave Roberts, the manager of the Dodgers, on what
led up to Yamamoto's outing last night.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
I see a real confidence. I think that's what it is.
I think that, you know, last year, certainly there was
a transition, and even in the postseason I didn't give
him a whole lot of leash, and we also had
a really talented bullpen, which we clearly leaned on and
have talked about, you know, a lot. But I think
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this year he's got true confidence. For me, that third
time through at pitch ninety, he feels that he's the
best option, and so I think for me, that just
gives me that confidence.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah. I mean, whether it's Dave or upstairs that allowed
him to close that game. Jay STU going to the ninth,
what did you think was going to happen last night?
Speaker 7 (08:45):
I thought that they were going to go to one
of their gas cans in the bullpen. But I think
I bet I was secured by the lead five to one,
so it didn't matter they could have brought in Tanner Scott,
who's just awful at pitching, and that would have been fine.
I did scratch my head. There's a I don't understand
(09:05):
the mentality, and if Dave was asked this, I didn't
hear the answer because I sure looked I don't understand.
One of my I guess criticisms off of Game one
was one of the reasons why I was pissed off
that Blake Snell didn't start the ninth inning at least,
was because Dave took a chance for Blake Snell to
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make history away from him. Remember last week when we
talked about signature moments in the postseason from great players,
and one of the comments in that exchange was it's
hard to have a signature moment if you're a starting pitcher.
But Blake Snell had a chance to go out get
the outs in the ninth and be the only pitcher
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since Larson to face twenty seven batters in a postseason game.
That's the signature moment. So I thought Dave took that
moment away from him, and that pissed me off. So
why bring Yama Motor out for the ninth if you
were gonna take snow out that that's confounding to me.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know. I mean, the only thing I can
think of is he learned from the previous night's mistake.
Is that is that fair? Like, just because you did
it the night before and it proved to be a mistake,
does that mean you have to do it again just
to be consistent? Like, am I making sense?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
No?
Speaker 7 (10:21):
I'm just saying that there was much more incentive.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, no, no, I am not disputing that. You and I
completely agree, Jason. It was a Don Larson esque pitching performance.
It made total sense. He was mowing him down. He's
not a guy who you feel like is gonna have
an arm issue because he's not throwing a hundred plus right,
He's part of part of the allure to him is
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that that curve ball was so filthy, so filthy, they
could not figure him out and it was the bottom
of the lineup. So you and I agree. But just
because you do something that doesn't make sense the night before,
is the wrong decision the night before and your bullpen
nearly blows it, that does not mean that you have
to make the same decision, even if it's not nearly
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the storybook. It was the night before.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
That's fair.
Speaker 8 (11:11):
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Speaker 1 (11:18):
What I put you, Dog gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio,
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you're doing great. We think Jason Stewart's in a decent mood.
Right decent mood. I mean, as Dodgers are of two
(11:38):
games none, it doesn't appear to be like the like
the Brewers are going to be super competitive. I guess
Jay stew we'll get to midway. But I know nobody
wants to count their chickens for they're hatched. But you
gotta be feeling pretty good today with the Dodgers of
two games done and such outstanding starting pitching, and you
haven't even gotten much from show.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Hey yet, I don't even know.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
I don't think Isaac has heard this analogy, so I
think he'll enjoy it and appreciate it. And for those
listeners who haven't heard it, I've likened being a Dodger
fan to being the child of a drunk, So your
pops is a drunk and you live in this tormented
world where even on the days when he comes home sober,
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you live the entire day fearing about the guy that
was going to show up. I think I share a
lot of Dodger fans view on this and that we
never know which team's going to show up. I could
be happy today, but I liken it too when you
invite your friends over for a sleepover and the good
dad shows up and the friends are like, man, what
a cool guy. He's awesome. You know, he gave us
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one hundred bucks for a thirty dollars pizza. Yeah, I'm
in a good spot right now. But for those that
watch this team every day, you know that anything can
happen at any minute. Does that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I will.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
Wow, that escalated quickly. Yeah, you know what, I could
actually say that that perfectly captures the emotions for most
sports fans out there about their favorite team.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
It's like you'll keep going back from more regardless of it.
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a little harsh
in regards to the Dodgers, like there their outcomes have
not been there has not been that wide a variance
in it, Like why do you think it happened, like, well,
they win like two thirds of the time, Jason, and
they've been pretty good in the playoffs. So yeah, I mean,
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I get it, you're tormented by past playoff failures. And
in no, in no way should we chalk this up
as hey, that's a dub, that's a win, no question
about it. On the other hand, there is a portion
of it where you go, dude, you're up two games
to none. This thing appears to be over. It's just
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a matter of how many, Like do you really think
the Brewers can win four of what five games?
Speaker 7 (14:09):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Right? Yeah? Four or five games? Do you think they
can win four or five games off the Dodgers?
Speaker 7 (14:14):
I mean, they're the best team in the regular season, right,
they've gone on.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
That's never been that has never been a determinant into
who can be successful in the postseason in Major League Baseball, ever,
it's the one sport where the regular season truly doesn't matter.
It just does not in terms of determined It's a
different sport once you get to the postseason. I don't
think you wouldn't argue that, would you.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Oh no, No.
Speaker 7 (14:38):
It's one of my biggest criticisms of the baseball playoffs.
But I do remember telling Brewer fans, namely Dan Byer
and August I think the Brewers had won some like
ridiculous amount, like thirty out of thirty one or something crazy.
And I'm like, I remember our Dodgers in twenty seventeen
when they had went on a similar streak. In August,
Sports Illustrated came out with regular season ever and then
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they went on to lose and then lose in the postseason.
So yeah, you're right, two different seasons, two different teams.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Maybe let's uh, let's do this. We do this every Wednesday.
It's the middle of the week, the middle of the day, frankly,
the middle of the show. We're like, middle of the show,
your two hours, don't know. We have the Hour podcast,
which goes live as soon as this show's Oh, we
can download wherever you download podcast. Let's get to the midway.
He's not getting the middle.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
It's time for the.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Midway, Jason Stewart, what's the topic?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
I'll take it from here. I'll tell you what. I
sent this message to the group text, and I was
hoping to get a lot of good feedback guys, today
we have a chance at a pure midway. What does
that mean? You say, the middle of the show, the
middle of the day, middle of the week, middle of
the month, Doug. And also for most college football teams,
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it's the very middle of the regular season. This is
a pure midway. So many middles, more middles.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Than a.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I know Isaac could think of something more witty than
I can. But anyways, what's storyline right now in college
football most has your attention? I want you to pick one.
I want you to drill down on it. Why is
it so interesting to you? And to be honest, our guy,
Ryan Smith filling in for Iowa Sam, Today's got a
really good one, Ryan Smith, what's the most intriguing storyline
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right now in college football for you? I do?
Speaker 10 (16:34):
Oh, yeah, I do yeah. So I love train wrecks,
And well, Penn State needs a coach and the rumor
is they want Marcus Freeman. Well guess what, They're not
gonna get him. And I'm wondering what their backup plan
is or if they even have a backup plan. And
I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show because
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I believe this is going to be a train wreck.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
An easy answer for that one, right, Penn State's got
one choice.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Yeah, it's Matt rule. If they don't get Matt Ruhle,
it'll be a trade wrecker, just because I mean, it's
just it's a little too simple. He's in the league,
he did a great job turning around Temple, he went there,
he's close with the athletic director. Like this one seems
really easy. I don't believe for one second that an
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athletic director who has a lifetime friendship with a high
level coach who's like that, he'll go and he go
anywhere else in there. Why because the relationship has to
be a really strong one in order to succeed, has
to be. If you're athletic director, you aren't on the
same page. It's not gonna work. Same thing with the president.
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And those guys are Penn State guys, they're good friends.
If it doesn't end up there, yeah, then it now
becomes weird and probably a trader.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I personally said.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
I personally said before the season that my most I
think the favorite thing that I'm looking forward to following
is Arch Mannings season. I want to watch Arch's arc
and it has been up and down. I think mostly
down or mid. You know, there was always this thing
where teams like the Saints were going to tank tank
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for Arch. I don't think that's a thing anymore. I
don't think he's the consensus number one overall pick after
six games of the college football season. I could be wrong.
And I don't even think he needs to come out
this year. I remember his granddad, Archie, before the season,
told that random magazine that it's not even a foregone
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conclusion that he'll come out after this season. So I
think at the midway point, in my very pedestrian, average
college football casual viewpoint, I don't think Arch Manning is
the number one overall pick in the draft. So I
think we could stop all the narratives about these teams
tanking for number one, right. I don't think the Jets
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take I think.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
They're taking for him. I think they're tanking for the
best possibility of drafting a quarterbacks.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Oh yeah, no, that's that's always a thing. But I mean,
Arch isn't the guy, right, because that was the kind
of the off season thing. Tank for Arch, lose for Arch.
Could we do away with that?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah? We can? Okay, what about you there? I love I'm.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
Actually going to go with the two Los Angeles teams
completely out of nowhere, starting with USC which took a
big step in making a believer out of me with
not only beating Michigan last week, but the way they
beat Michigan last week. And you want to talk about
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a potential springboard to a whole new level, what are
you know at Notre Dame this weekend? And then you
couple that with something that completely came out of nowhere.
You have UCLA, which we've been making fun of their
lack of attendance and the whole Deshaun Foster thing was
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a disaster, and out of nowhere they beat Penn State.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
They set that particular ball in motion.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
And then I'm like, oh, all right, hey, this is
what they're going to remember for this year, you know,
whatever is going to happen. And then Tim Skipper, the
interim head coach, challenges them. He puts, are you going
to be a one hit wonder? On the team plane
on their way to Michigan State, And then they not
only win at Michigan State, but they thrash them. So
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suddenly you have the two LA programs being really interesting stories.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Out of nowhere.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
And we'll see where it goes from the UCLA standpoint
with Tim Skipper as the.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Interim head coach.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
Consequently, this leads to a side side light that maybe
you guys can opine on where does James Franklin wind
up next season?
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Could Ucla be where he winds up?
Speaker 9 (21:20):
But I just I'm fascinating, fascinated by the fact that
just within the last couple of weeks, both Los Angeles
teams have suddenly made themselves relevant in college football.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Well, I think that's one thing that's interesting about it
is we heard so much about, Hey, these West Coast
schools coming to the Midwest. Travel's gonna hurt them, Weather's
gonna hurt them, They're going to get dumped. And well
then I saw USC, UCLA, Oregon did beat Penn State
before losing at home to Indiana. But I saw them
all get huge road winds and tough environments against good teams.
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So like, what are we actually doing? Like what it's
not the big bead wolf.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I've never understood that.
Speaker 9 (21:58):
Doug, You're right, because when we're talking about football, you're
going on a charter flights.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
They also, people don't understand how far Washington State is
from Tucson, Arizona or U c l A. Like there
are there if you're flying there anyway, it's not like
you're busting.
Speaker 9 (22:15):
To these games, right and you can give and so
it's I'm with you, you're not connecting through Oakland.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
I would say it's it's much more difficult.
Speaker 9 (22:24):
For say the volleyball teams, for example, that have to
travel commercial halfway across the country, which the football teams,
you know, they don't have to change planes.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They're going direct and it's chartered.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I have one thing, one a couple of things, uh
my two takeaways from Isaac's point. Uh First and foremost,
how bad a coach must have sewan walked, foster bait
sewn foster bit must be awful? And then second, I
have a suggestion for the U. C l A band,
you know that play in front of the eight thousand
people at the Rose Bowl. I think they need to
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work Gilligan's Islands theme into their repertoire. And then at
the at the great point, at the at the part
when they need to do it, just be like Tim
Skipper ran the Mary Anne here running Tim Skipp ber
Ram Mary Ann You guys understand it eventually I did
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come from Skip Mary and.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
Is Jerry Neuheisel the little buddy?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
It's a good one. Probably is a little buddy. That's
a really good call. Good call. All right? So what
am I most in drink by by with college football?
I mean, obviously the coaching firings like so early the
year is an easy one that I've I've kind of
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kind of railed on. But I just the SEC is
so much better than everybody else, and I just wonder
what if we're still going to be a year late
in our analysis of it. Last year you had a
couple of SEC teams not getting the College Wall playoffs,
Alabama one, what Tennessee was another, and instead they took
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other other programs. I just don't think they can this year. Now.
Last year you would have said, okay, maybe I can
see it because the SEC seemed to be a little
bit down. There was much more parody. I just don't
see the parody this year. I don't if Penn State,
especially that Drew Aller, they're out. So in the Big ten,
you have Indiana, we have Oregon, and you have Ohios.
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Tight those three, there's nobody else to go. No one
else's is worthy, he is going to climb that. I mean,
maybe USC, but man, they gotta they gotta beat Notre Dame,
which I don't think happens. They gotta win games here
at the end of the year possible, right with the
only loss being went to Illinois and the road. I
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just I look at the SEC and I think it's
a It's a league that was dominant an il comes
out and some of the investments were bad, some of
the teams are bad. Now it's just amazing. It's an
amazing league. It's way better than everybody else. And when
I call out a league, I'm not saying the Big Ten.
I think the Big Ten is second, maybe not a
close second this year because the injuries, especially quarterback. But
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I think the comparison to Big ten SEC and like
Big twelve ACC, you have a gigantic cap. Now I'm
not saying Miami. Miami has loaded up financially and they
have it all for a college football team, But overall,
the ACC is pales in comparison. Overall the Big twelve
pales in comparison. Those are good teams. It's just a
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different lower level of football because of the financial investment
the SEC and the Big Ten at any anybody else,
Boom Midway.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
The Midway.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
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Speaker 1 (25:59):
App Stuck Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. So sec media
days are ongoing, and it is weird right that John
Caliperry's head coach at Arkansas. It does take a little
second to kind of get that reset right, like Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas, Okay, Okay,
(26:24):
how long is he gonna do it? Right? Here's John
Caliperry when he talked about when he'll likely retire.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
I want to help twenty five to thirty more families.
The only way you do that is your transformational as
a coach. You're not transactional. If I become transactional, I'm
gonna pay you this to do this and that, then
I won't do this anymore. I don't need to.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
I think it's a really interesting way of look at
It's it's one of the parts that a lot of
these coaches don't like. It's like I don't want to
transactional relationship. I love that. It's a great way to
put it, and you kind of got to guard yourself
against it. Does that mean that they aren't going to
end up being transactional relationships even when they begin as transformational. No,
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I'm sure there's plenty of guys who he feels like
he transformed their lives and like, it's not really that
one down. But I get what he's saying. I get
what he's saying, But I also think that there's a
certain car salesman element to it that we all know
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is the perception. And John cal Perry's never shied away
from the perception of who he is and what he's
about and how his program works. He talks about the players,
you know, I want to change his families, Like, Okay,
it's a little much, it comes across a little steep,
but I know what he's saying. He wants to his
whole thing is about life changing wealth that you make
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in the NBA, not the the not the quick buck
that you're going to make in college basketball. It's fair,
it's fair, But reality is he's got to win, and
his old ways of doing it of bringing in five
freshmen and sprinkling in some veterans and then five more freshmen,
that's a hard way to live in this day and
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age it is. He brought back most of his crew
from last year. That's why they think they'll be pretty good.
But I, you know, it's not as transformational, and it's
more transactional than he's giving it credit. But I do
think that's the key to this whole thing. That's the
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difference between the old Guard and the New Guard. The
new Guard's like, it's transactional whatever. You know, they don't
have to worry about us. I don't have to worry
about them after next year. If we don't want them around,
we to get rid of them. If they want to
be with us, we get rid of them again. That's
the new age of thinking. I do not think that way.
I guess i'd be old school. This is John cal
Perry being old school, which is, hey, I just I
want to help these kids for the rest of their lives.
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It does still work in recruiting. It is still true
if you if you want to be true, even after
they leave, even after they transfer, you can choose to
stay in contact with them or not. You know, kids don't.
Maybe they find it weird. I still talk to some
of my former players, and I've only been doing this
for a year and guys I wanted to stay left.
That's what happens, not all of them, but a couple
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of them that left. I prefer they stayed. We still communicate.
I want to be that guy in their corner forever.
But I also think that at the level and the
amount that Arkansas is playing at, I don't know if
that's truly possible. I don't know if that's truly possible.
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We've been talking a lot about the mostly the NLCS
more so than the Alcyes. We'll get to that as well.
Matt Holliday is our guest, seven time All Star, four
times Silver Slugger, and father of a big leaguer and
as soon to be big leaguer and Ethan Holliday, who
was the fourth pick and last year's this year's Major
League Baseball Draft, Matt, let let's start with with Blake Snell.
(29:59):
I started the show just so you know with I
understand analytics, I understand data, I understand what you're suposed
to do, why you're supposed to do it. But there
still is a place for big time starting pitching. Right.
The last couple of years had been about an opener,
and even last year's Dodgers really it's about their middle
(30:20):
relief more than anything. But through two games, they're starting
pitching has been dominant. Is this an outlier? Why? Why
are the Dodgers Why have they been able to be
so dominant with starting pitching when starting pitching in the past,
I don't know, decade or so has been diminished year
after year.
Speaker 11 (30:41):
Well, I think that the fact that they signed some
of the best ones. I mean, I mean you talk
about Snow, he's one of si young in both leagues.
And then they bring over the best starting pitcher from
Japan a couple of years maybe apart. So they've brought
over you know that they obviously they got show Hay
from the Angel that they bring over the best starting
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pitcher in Japan, and they loaded up before the season.
And I would argue that before the season they had
they had ten starters penciled in they would probably all
of them would start in almost every rotation in baseball.
So I think they looked at last year's team, despite
the fact that they won the World Series with primarily relievers,
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like you said earlier, and they said, we don't know
that that's sustainable, and so, you know, they go out
they put an incredibly talented rotation together and then you know,
like I said, Snell was he basically pitched I think
seventy something innings during the regular season, and so they
had the they had the ability to not push him,
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and they maybe went through some dead arm stuff and
just when you're when you're that good and you have
that kind of depth and you have that kind of
you know, the reality is they were going to be
in the playoffs. So what you do is you have
you have the ability to let Snow get completely healthy
and then he's peaking at the end of the season
and rolling into the playoffs pitching better than I've ever
(32:09):
seen me. His command, you know, he's struggled with walks, uh,
you know, in his career, and that's always kind of
been a little bit of his bugaboo that he has
to come out early in the games because he throws
so many pitches. But he's throwing strikes. He's pitching the
high nineties. He's got a slider and a curve and
a changeup that he's pitching he's using more and so
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I mean, he's he's been dominant. And then you know,
like I said, they've got they've got a lot of
a lot of good options in the rotation. I've always thought, Doug,
if you're you're starting pitching is good, you have a
great chance to win. Now there's been some some bullpenning,
and you know, there's been some a little bit of
a little bit of uh, you know, some of the
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opener stuff and maybe some some things, and philosophy has
changed a bit. And I think people looked at the
Dodgers last year and and said, well, you know, you
can win the World Series with a good bullten But
I've always thought that the team you start with the rotation,
and that's where you build around.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's amazing
about the Dodgers two games to none lead is that
they've done it with limited help from Mookie and just
one hit from show Hey, right, that ground ball would
scored a run. Let's start with show Hay. Why is
he struggling? What are they doing to cause the greatest
hitter in the game to struggle so far through too?
Speaker 11 (33:32):
You know, he looks a little in between. I don't
know if people understand what that means. It looks to
me like he's a little late on the fastball. He's
he's a little out in front of the off speed.
So I think they've pitched him enough back and forth
with starting him with off speed or starting with fastball,
pitching him in, pitching him down. I think they've done
a really good job of moving the ball around on him.
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And he just looks to me like he's a little
off on his approach. And then now it looks like
it's in his head a little bit, and so I
I last night he took a swing on a high
fastball that you just don't see him do very often,
and his look on his face was that of a
hitter that I know that face very well of. I'm
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a little lost, I'm in my own dome, like I'm
thinking too much. You know, it looks like he's getting
pitches right now to where you know, obviously, when hitters
are really good, their their timing is ready for the
fastball and they're reacting to the off speed in a
way that you know allows their body to still hit
both pitches. And it looked to me like he's he's
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a and you know, Doug, I've heard that he's very
much into he videos every swing I've had is right there.
Even during batting practice, in the cage, and so he's
very meticulous with every thing he takes and his mechanics,
and sometimes that's you know, that serves him well obviously,
but sometimes you know, that could get get in your
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head a little bit. You start thinking about your mechanics
and then the next thing you know, you're you're a
little bit lost. But you know, these two starting pitchers
have carried them and allowed those guys to not have
to do much offensively.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
How how hard is that to fix when you're in
the series, Like, how do you if some's in your head?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Right?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Because I remember you had a time this year when
you went down, you helped out help Jackson out. Yeah,
he's different, he's a younger player. This is you know,
arguably the greatest to ever do it. How long does
it take to to get that, to flush that out?
Get out of your head?
Speaker 11 (35:31):
You know it? It's one swing, you know, he'd I
think he has that heart single RBI single late in
the game yesterday. It's you know for him, you know
when you're talking about just a brilliant talent combined with
you know, obviously someone whose mental attitude was off the
charts as well. I mean i'd be surprised if if
he doesn't get hot. You know, that's the one thing
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about the Dodgers. They they're all they're you know, they're
they're they're they're MVPs. Haven't even got hot, and they're
still you know, sort of running through the playoffs with
with starting pitching and and some of their unsung heroes
coming up with big hits. And it feels it feels
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a lot like an easy Dodger World Series championship. And
I'm sure Jay stew is cringing as I say that,
but that's what it feels like. I thought the Phillies
Dodgers series to me was the two best teams, and
I still feel that way.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Stuck Gotleab show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
what about? What can the Brewers do right? Like it did?
It felt inevitable the last two nights because of the
starting pitching. Now you got show Hay right much easier
if you were to. I know how much Burth thinks
if you've used to call you and say, Matt, what
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should we do? What's your advice?
Speaker 11 (36:55):
You know, there's at this point to see and they
just kind of have to be who they are right,
try to get on base, try to try to hit
and run, trying to maybe move move the ball around
a little bit, try to put some people in motion
and try to try to make it hard on the Dodgers.
As far as putting a little pressure on them, Uh, look,
they don't. They don't have a guy of guys that
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can hit homers. I mean, they have a few guys
that can sprinkle. You know, They've they've got you know,
Yellows hit twenty nine, I think, and in Turio has
shown some good power. But you know, when you look
at their lineup, they're they're gonna have to to find
ways to steal base and do things that they did
all year, which is which is how they they've won games.
But I mean, the bottom line is they got to hit.
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I mean they're you know, obviously going up against those
two starters, it's it's no I mean, I'm not sure
any lineup would have had much success. But they have
to hit. They have to take a little pressure off
their pitching. It's hard when your your your rotation and
your your relievers know that you can't give up many
runs because you're having a hard time scoring. So there's
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nothing much you can say, think, right, now Doug others
and just keep keep plugging away and uh and go
out there and maybe try to scratch a run early,
a little pressure on on the Dodgers and see if
they can't get a little momentum swished back in their favor.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
What's your reaction to the Mariners dominance on the road
of the of the Blue Jays.
Speaker 11 (38:17):
I am a little surprised. I mean, the Blue Jays
played really really well at home, so I'm kind of
surprised that they went in there and took too But
you know, they're hot. You know that that that game.
Sometimes those long games, extraating games, sometimes that can conzapt
you of energy and then sometimes that really can like
propel you into like, oh, this is our year. You know,
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this is this is our you know, we've got the
we've got the mojo, this is this is uh, this
is going to be you know, I think that they
they're really building off of that game five against Detroit
and and took it into Toronto, and you know, it's
one of the you know baseball like they've been getting
runs early in the game and and uh, and that
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puts a lot of pressure. In the postseason, you just
start to press a little bit, and and uh, I
am surprised. I didn't think that they would they would
win both in Toronto.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, and it wasn't close. And again the difference is
starting pitching, right, like their starting pitching got lit both games.
You know, Brewer starting pitching. Actually Game one was good
but didn't extend them. Hey, let me let me circle
back to the to the to the Dodgers just for
a second game one ninth inning, two run lead, would
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you have put snellback out there? Well, one hundred and
three pitches.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
You know, I just think that the way his season
has gone, I look, I mean yes, I think. You know,
if a guy's rolling, and the thing that sometimes for
me is how easy he's getting the team out. And
he was getting them out like seemingly without sweating like
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it was. It looked like he was just like whatever
pitch he wanted and whatever count he wanted it, and
he was just locked in. And so for me, it's
it's hard to take that guy out now if the
you know, it's the seventh and eighth inning. Uh, he
was laboring a little bit and the pitch count was
high in one of those innings, but he seemed to
(40:24):
be getting better as he was going. But I don't
know what his pitch count high this year has been.
Like I said, he's only thrown I think only threw
seventy some innings in the regular season. So I think
you have to be you have to be a little
bit cautious for his next start because you know, you're
you're at this point, you're thinking, we're gonna make it
(40:45):
to the World Series. And if he goes out there
and I let him throw one hundred and twenty pitches
in him four days, he's super sore or you know,
I have to comes down as triceps tight or and
then all of a sudden, you know, it screws up
your plans for the World Series. So I mean, look,
I think you can look at it both ways. But
Dave Roberts knows, you know, obviously he's with them every
(41:08):
day and he knows the ins and out so and
then you know, the next night he let's he lets
the other guy throw the whole game. So I think
it probably has more to do with with Snells, maybe
just this this season and the way that you know,
maybe he's had a little bit of dead arm at
times and they've had to they've had to work around
(41:29):
some some injury stuff that probably kept him from sending
him back out.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so
what what can we learn, Like, what can we learn
from this baseball for future years?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Like?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Right, Like the the Brewers are they play mostly small ball,
really athletic, tremendous defensively, right, and they've they they've been
able to withstand injuries the past two years to get here.
The right they went from their bullpend being their secret
to now being their their secret sauce to now being
starting pitching at least in this series. And then they
(42:10):
just have an overwhelming lineup. Then you have the Mariners
and who make a late season acquisition for a big
home run hitter that seems to put them over the top.
Then obviously they got the Blue Jays as well. What
what's the takeaway? Like, where are we with baseball outside
of the Dodgers And they're seeming dominance that that's a
trend that other people are going to copy.
Speaker 11 (42:30):
Yeah, I mean I think there's I think for me,
what it says is there's a lot of ways to win.
I mean, I think there's a lot of ways to
build teams that can get to this point. I mean,
I think you can build with starting pitching. I think
you know that you have enough offense. The Mariners have
had great starting pitching the last few years, but just
haven't quite quite enough offense. Well they you know, Cal
Rawly hit sixty homers, they get Sworez back, a Rose
(42:54):
Arena has a good season. Now all of a sudden
they're scoring some runs. Tied with their good pitching. Blue
Jays blue Jays are They've won a lot of games
on in a lot of different ways. I think they've
been good in all areas. I don't think they've necessarily
been great, but you know, when you have a guy
like Laddie and then you got the Schett, who I
think led the American League hits but obviously hasn't been
(43:16):
in in postseason. But they've got a couple of superstars.
So I think I think you can build teams differently.
Like you said earlier, the Dodgers won last year with bullpen.
This year that they're winning was starting pitching. So I
think how you build your team and then like your
core and then kind of building around that is interesting
(43:40):
because I do think that there's different philosophies and obviously
how much money you have. You know, Brewers don't have
the money the Dodgers have, so they have to build
their team a little differently but is effective. And I
think that's the fun part about these smaller markets is
they have to figure out how to beat somebody like
the Dodgers, who can, you know, spend whatever they want.
(44:03):
So I think it's fun based on it's a fun
game in that there's just a lot of different ways
to build a good team.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Matt, you're the best, Bud. I appreciate you joining us.
We'll see what these series look like. Is right now
there are two games and none with the home teams returning.
With that leads we may be all West Coast series
with with the Mariners and the Dodgers. Appreciate you being
our guest. We'll talk real soon.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Good dog,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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