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October 16, 2025 • 51 mins

On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug previews the Steelers-Bengals game while comparing watching the NFL game to either of the LCS games in baseball. 

On this installment of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday", Doug and the crew feature the sports year 2005.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:26):
means we got football. It's also a Thursday where we
got more baseball. It's a Thursday. Well, every day you
get the DG Show, plus you get the podcast that
follows the show. Welcome in Hope. You're having a spectacular day.
Kind of weird Thursday night game, right Like, I actually

(00:49):
think this year in the NFL there's been some quality performances.
I don't know if I would be as harsh with
it as Jay Stu is. You know, Jay Stu calls
it the zuopa the zeropeteur, where we just people will
pay anything to see you two, so they'll pay anything,
and total gloss over the lack of finally played football.

(01:11):
I do think there's been some games that are well played,
but part of the breakdown and quality of play is
what we're seeing with the Bengals, Right you got forty
year old Joe Flacco coming in he's quarterback and taking
on an older you know, forty year old Aaron Rodgers' quarterback.
Now Rogers it was planned for him to be quarterback
and is what we believe is this last year with
the Steelers. But then you take out Trey Hendrickson, you

(01:34):
add in the fact that Flacco just got to the team.
The Steelers are coming off a game with the Browns
where they sacked sat to quarterback six times, and five
and a half doesn't feel like enough. It is in Cincinnati.
It is a rivalry game, and the more we try
and count people out the more, especially the Bengals. You know,
they do have Jamar Jason. If you go back to

(01:55):
last week's Packers game, he's still very much a problem.
But this does not feel like one. I want to
tune in for him, Like I'm literally tuning in to
see what Aaron Rodgers looks like a third of the
season in that's the check in here. And it's weird
because Aaron Rodgers has been different degrees of pretty good
all year. Last he's been trending better. The issue with

(02:18):
the Steelers has been their defense was kind of eh
until you know last week or two, great uniform matchup
right where you got the Bengals, who once again are
going to be featured. But I don't see I don't
see a path there. And one of the things that
you can it doesn't always happen this way. We did

(02:41):
a game I don't know it was this week. Last
week we talked about our favorite backup quarterbacks, and our
favorite backup quarterbacks are the favorite backup quarterbacks because they
came in and played well. But those guys are few
and far between, right, Like we'd all agree Flacco is
a bad fit for this system, not because he can't

(03:03):
pick it up mentally and get rid of the football quickly,
but because their offensive line is a weakness and he
is a statue back there. And then you have a
team that has pass rush was sort of non existent
first couple weeks and now has come back to play.
Doesn't feel good. And I would say a Dodgers Brewers
is to watch, but that one feels like a mismatch too.

(03:31):
And I know Blue Jays and Mariners is getting close
to getting even up because the Blue Jays won last night.
But that's a series that exists only on the bottom line.
I would challenge any of us that's like a real thing.
I'll just ask you, Chase, do Happy Birthday to Jason Stewart.

(03:54):
It is his birthday.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Thank you, thank you, and I won't.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm gonna say this for Jason. He is not somebody
who searches for happy birthdays, although I'm guessing at the
end of the day he will do the obligatory on
his Facebook page to all of that, to everybody who
reached out, thank you for all the birthday wishes, making
everyone who didn't wish him a happy birthday feel very,
very guilty. But Jay S, dude, did you even watch

(04:20):
a pitch of last night's Blue Jays Mariners game?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
No? I watched. I watched just about all of them.
I think Vlad Guerrero Junior is a fascinating watch. Like,
if you're going to list the five players in Major
League Baseball that make me Kanawa stop and watch, it's
vlat Oh wait wait, wait almost night.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Can we can we pocket that part for a little
bit later on in the segment?

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Right?

Speaker 1 (04:45):
The five guys you do want to watch. I mean
that was that was as bad a beat down as
you're ever going to see in baseball. In an ALCS
the Blue Jays had eighteen hits and thirteen runs. I mean,
that's a joke. It's so good and heck it was
like I mean, cal Raley had another home run, right,

(05:06):
Rodriguez hit another home run as well, but eighteen hits anyway,
go ahead? Why is he such a fascinating watched you?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I just think that these uh nepo babies that are
always kind of ascended, maybe ahead of when they should,
almost never live up to it. And I think that
he has almost and almost surpassed it. He's put that
team on his shoulder for the last six weeks of
the year. They have the best record in the American
League because of him. I just find him fascinating.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Okay, So who are the other four that you find
most fascinating? B Show?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Hey, Bryce Harper? I love watching Bryce. I love watching
uh Sken's pitch, and then show Hay and Judge would
fill out the five.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Okay, Okay, I think that's a really good list. Did
you hear what was it? Dombrowski head he's with the
Phillies where he said today he doesn't know if he
was talking about the future of the Phillies and he
said he doesn't know if Bryce Harper will ever get
back to the level that he wants to played at.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was like, wow, I agree with that. He's looked
like a show of himself last year or.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
So yeah, no, no, it's but it's just interesting, like
especially for you having a birthday, right, Like, you feel
your age sometimes when you see that number, but you
also feel your age when you're like, wait, I remember
when Bryce Harper was like twenty, Now he's thirty two, right,
Like I remember when Bryce Harper's been playing in Major

(06:39):
League Baseball for what fourteen years? I mean, that's insane.
So I think if you're I won't reveal your age,
But if your age doesn't make you feel old, the
fact that Bryce Harper has gone from the next one
to past his prime, I just I don't know, makes

(07:00):
me feel super old.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I was born in seventy two, so I'm officially Harry Carson.
Happy Happy birthday, you old man.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
There you go, there you go. What do you do
for a fifty third birthday?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Zero? Exactly zero. But Dan Bayer loves birthdays. He appreciates
birthdays more than most people I've ever met and will.
He refuses to allow me to ignore my own birthday,
and he bought me Buffalo Wild Winks as a birthday gift.
He was the first person on staff to wish me

(07:34):
happy birthdays. So Dan just refuses to allow me to
do what I like to do, which is just kind
of ignore my birthday.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Gotta do it.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
It's your day for once a year, you know, one
time of year, it's your day.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Thanks for the wings, they're delicious.

Speaker 5 (07:50):
Way to tick now, way to tick?

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Was it?

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Dan?

Speaker 5 (07:52):
I think I was the first to wish Jason a
happy birthday via text this morning.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
No, I look at the timestamp. I looked at the timestam.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, not do by the way.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
I do not do group texts because it lets the
other people off the hook on knowing the person's birthday.
So I sent a personal text to Jason happy birthday.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Mine was at nine fifty two Pacific time. Nine fifty
one is one who sent yep?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yep?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Dang, yep. But I even let Jason know I go
by the way. I beat Sam, just for the record
to show I.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Got to check this out.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
Here like a Tour de France. Time.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Hold on? So it's nine? What time? Nine?

Speaker 7 (08:29):
What?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Hold on? Hold on?

Speaker 4 (08:31):
My text is not on the group text because I
didn't text on the group text.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Listen, I believe you. I believe.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Screenshot for proof.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, I don't need a screenshot for proof. I just
know the timing of it. I ask because because I'm
not a big Facebook guy, right, I'm not, But I
do wish happy birthdays on Facebook often, and I believe
I wished Jay Stu a happy birthday on Facebook book

(09:00):
and I was just trying to see the timing of
when here it is three hours ago? What time is it?
So this is yeah, you beat me to the punch
too well. I don't know what times you wish my birthday.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
About two and a half hours ago, Doug.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
If you were if you had wished him a happy
birthday three hours ago, that would have been like nine
ten nine o nine am Pacific time.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
I feel the Facebook happy birthday, though, does not rise
to the level of the text.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Wow. Yes, there is something more personal about the text.
I'm not going to dispute that.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Facebook is very performative, I believe. So it's like, look
at me, everybody. I'm wishing Jason a happy birthday, but.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
I do rely on Facebook for helping jog my memory
when there is a birthday, it is very helpful.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Someone else has got a birthday coming up very soon,
we'll have a race to that birthday wish.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
I yes that he would be talking about me my
birthday on Sunday. I do want to say something funny
that my dad wished his buddy Nick, who's a little
younger than him, a happy birthday. Nick's in his sixties,
but he said happy birthday. You'll get over it, which
I think is perfect for when you get older. Like
he just I feel like you just kind of want
to move past.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I do feel like I'm not getting rewarded Jason, or
not even getting There's no confirmation or affirmation or tip
of the cap to the fact that I actually got
the happy birthday wishes.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
No.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
First, I just did my due diligence. Great job of
the ninety people that mushed me a happy birthday up
to now on Facebook. Doug got in before Dan got
his text message in yep, three hours ago.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Dan's was more personal and thoughtful. Mine was more time
sensitive and imediate. Now I did run the benefit of
being hours ahead, right hours.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Ahead, Doug. Doug sent his message right after the girl
I had a crush on in eighth grade, which I
only accepted her follow out to see if she's still hot,
and then there's Doug.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Godway, is she still hot? It's a great question. Oh man,
got quiet.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
That's a yes.

Speaker 5 (10:57):
He's deliberated.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
So she's probably very nice to look right, Jason, she's
a pleasant looking woman.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
He looks like a very nice person.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
What does a nice person look like?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can tell you know, glasses.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Glass glasses. Glasses, glasses means you're nice. I wear glasses sometimes.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
I do want to say this, do you want to
say the birthday? I think we're getting hung up on
the adding another year, like you just it's a it's
a great reason to celebrate the person to celebrate Jason
Stewart on Sunday, to celebrate Iowa, Sam, you're getting a
year older, yes, but of all the other days of
the year, we're not doing it. So on your birthday,

(11:37):
it's the day to celebrate you. Today is also a
National Boss's Day. Shout out to uh the Scott Shapiro.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Shapiro, he's a great boss.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
I just heard from Scott as he was listening to
you guys talk about your text messages to me. He
sent one as we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
It, and what he said, what's the birth just a
happy birthday or having party?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
He hopes the Dodgers win tonight for a nice birthday gift.
So it's a nice touch.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
He's a birthday guy.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I do have to ask Scott was like, was he
at both Vikings games overseas? No?

Speaker 5 (12:12):
We thought he was, but no he was.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I know he was only at one.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Is that the one in Dublin?

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yes, had the inside track.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
I guess.

Speaker 7 (12:21):
Well.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Part of this is Facebook Nation where he was. He
was on like an African Safari. Then he's like he's
taking his kids everywhere, Like, what are we paying these guys?
I don't know what's going on up there. I'm kidding,
of course, Scott Happy bosses Day. Part of it is
just jealous. I have FOMO and I you know, I
do think Facebook and the grammar performative. But if he's

(12:42):
performing well.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
He's got a lot of stamps in his passport.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Does does well traveled.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I also realized that I did the opposite of what
I just said, so I will text Scott a happy
bosses day now individually, because it's pretty it's pretty quite
a double standard, if I am, if I'm not doing so.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, because happy boss's Day is not a real thing, right,
Like nobody goes to the.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
To makes the calendar.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
I tell you what makes the calendar, just to make
the one that we've got hanging in our kitchen.

Speaker 3 (13:17):
So when I left today, A.

Speaker 5 (13:20):
Lot of people don't like their boss, so why would
they wish them a happy boss?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Isn't it?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
What time did you leave your house today?

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Damn bire uh ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Okay, ten thirty, So in the last hour and forty
five minutes only now did you wish him happiness?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I know, I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Bad job by me, bad job, bad job, bad job.
Stug got liab show here on Fox Sports Radio. I
can't tell if I'm into or not into watching Rogers tonight.
I guess I am. You know, he was the guy
I wanted to pay most attention to. I just I
guess part of it is, you know, no Hendrickson, no Burrow.

(14:00):
I don't know. Here's Aaron Rodgers talking about the matchup
with Joe Flackup.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
Yeah, I think it's great, great for all the old guys.
You know, I know that when I watch other sports.
Maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I tend
to pull for the older guys to win, to win championships.
But it's great. I mean, I've known Joe for a
long time. He's been great coming to my charity event.

(14:27):
He's been a great ambassador for the league. He's had
a great career, and it's fun that we're both still playing.

Speaker 9 (14:32):
This is the best of the dog Dot Leab Show
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
I want to, but you do. I got Leap Show
Hawks Sports Radio. iHeartRadio app Welcome in. We've got a
great show for you, really really good. Jay stud did
an excellent job putting together. Kelly Ford is gonna join us.
He's got the ky Ford Ratings Index. It uses a
series of computer models to not just pick games, but
also tell you what games will be closed, one of

(15:00):
the most intriguing, one of the best defensive games. All
that stuff that's coming up this hour, this hour, it's
not coming this hour. No, we'll just get winging us
on the podcast.

Speaker 6 (15:14):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Well, then it's coming up next hour. In the podcast,
My bad, we have Doug Lanville this hour. Of course,
you can hear him on the call of the Dodgers
Brewers game from the Ravine tonight.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Chasee you going, oh no, that's a huge pain in
the ass. I steer clear of expensive things are a
massive waste of time, and that the Dodger playoff games
are the very summation of that. I want to be
on my couch. I want to be on my Twitter
criticizing everything the Dodgers do.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
It's time for Dodger baseball. Dougie Glanville will join us
at twenty five after the hour, and he's got his
own wife site called Welcome to Glanville. I love this
part of the show. Though we do it every Thursday.
It's a way of talking about sports and other stuff

(16:10):
from a four gone year. We call it. Don't call
it throwback Thursday.

Speaker 9 (16:16):
You don't call it a throwback throw back Thursday.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Jay Stu, what's the year?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Thank you? I'll take it from here. I'll take it
from here two thousand and five. I need you to
go back in time twenty years ago. What were you
doing in two thousand and five, For the sake of
this exercise, what were you doing in October mid October
of two thousand and five. I'll tell you what Notre
Dame fans and USC fans were doing.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
No Triue day blue Jack.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
They were biting off their fingernails a close one in
South Bend. One of the most memorable college football games
of all time. It's called the Bush Push. You guys
know the details on this, and I'll probably want you
fill in the the fill in the colors here, but
you know USC was riding a twenty seven game winning

(17:06):
streak going into South Bend that day. Notre Dame's team
was coached by Charlie Weiss, maybe you've heard of him.
And the quarterback that day was Brady Quinn, maybe you've
heard of him. Matt Liner was the quarterback for the
Trojans and Reggie Bush was a feature back for the Trojans. Now,
it all comes down to the final play of the game,

(17:28):
and you guys could tell me if I'm wrong, But
the clock expired was some kind of funky I guess,
some kind of funky reversal of the clock where they
put a second back on and the Trojans were down
on the goal line, and then Matt Lioner tried a
quarterback sneak and was helped by Reggie Bush. That extra play,

(17:49):
that extra second on the clock helped the Trojans to
a thirty four to thirty one win, preserving their twenty
eight game winning streak. They would later play that year
and the National Championship Game, where Vince Young would beat
them and Texas would be the National Championships Any anything
I got wrong there, Dan byr.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:10):
In two thousand and five, Yeah, it was a great
year in college football for the Vince Young led Texas Longhorns,
but Ohio State had them beat for about forty minutes
of their sixty minute game. The problem was they didn't
beat them for the twenty minutes that they needed to
beat them at the start and at the finish, and
that's how Texas ended up remaining unbeaten at that point

(18:32):
and then going to the National Championship and winning it all.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, the other part of that Notre DAMESC game was
Notre Dame had been down. Charlie Weiss was the coach.
I think it was Charlie's second year, and the response
to that game was such that Charlie Weis got a
gargantuan contract extension despite the fact they didn't actually win
the game. They actually win the game, and that was
probably peaked Charlie Weiss at Notre Dame. I love Charlie.

(18:58):
Charlie comes on the show, he's opinionated. You know, we
have a good personal and professional relationship. But again, that
was that was the moment, and the Bush Bush ended
that moment. That was also you mentioned the year that

(19:18):
Vince Young had. As people look back with Reggie Bush
giving back his highstband, They're like, give it to Vince Young.
I remember that night, the last regular season game. They
played A and M, and Vince Young played very, very
average football and they survived and won. And then US
he played UCLA and Reggie Bush just jumped off the screen.
He was so good. He was amazing.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Year two thousand and five in the National Football League
for me was a It was a great one because
it really was the emergence of the Seahawks. They would
go on to the Super Bowl that season, but in
years of trying to climb up that mountain, of trying
to break through, of trying to become the team that
they had hoped to be, they went thirteen and three

(20:05):
that year, ran through the NFC and ended up you know,
losing to the Steelers in Super Bowl forty. But for
the twenty two thousand and five portion of this, Seahawks
were really one of the best teams in all of
football that year with an unstoppable offense led by Shawn Alexander.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
The San Antonio Spurs won the NBA Championship in seven
games against the Detroit Pistons. It was one of the
lowest rated NBA Finals series ever because people were bored.
People were bored by the Pistons, bored by the Spurs,
and they missed what had happened the previous year, which

(20:48):
was Shaq and Lebron, I mean Shaq and Kobe, and
of course they fell apart as a team and then
fell apart in the NBA Finals. Pistons went to back
to back finals, but then they lost to the Spurs.
Suns were the best team in the NBA. Was that
the year Dan Byer that the Suns? That was the

(21:11):
four to one year. I think it was the next
year that Sons actually had the lead in the series,
winning the game in San Antonio, and then big shot
Bob kind of a push Steve Nash in the scoreboard
and Mario Stottamron Boris taw came off the bench and
they lost the next game.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, I can't necessarily remember the exact year, so I'll
just take your word for whatever year that actually did happen.
I do know what happened in two thousand and five
that the Illinois Fighting Alna in men's basketball were on
quite a run. They were though, upset at the end
of the year by Ohio State at the end of
the regular season, ending their perfect season, but they made

(21:48):
a heck of a run in the NCAA Tournament, including
the enormous comeback against Arizona and the Elite Eight at
the Rosemont Horizon in suburban Chicago and in Rosemont, ILLINOI right,
biohair Airport, Jason Stewart, and I can tell you about
the luxurious accommodations they.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Have for you in Terminal one, the meat Walker.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
But then ultimately Illinois run fell short to Roy Williams,
who got to cut down the nets for a first
time as the head coach. Is North Carolina Beatam Lewis, right, Yeah,
in Saint Louis in that National championship game, Uther head right,
Dee Williams, yep, d Brown, Darren Williams Darren.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I sat with Michelle Beatle during the Final Four. We
had really good seats, and I didn't know Beadle at
all at that point in time she was on. She
had done these shows that were on I want to say,
like direct TV where she went around touring ballparks and
you know, all the different architecture. That's that was my

(22:48):
knowledge of her. So I sit down next to Beads
and this is like my third year working at ESPN,
and she goes, I've seen your Final four. That's not
it great joke, and she was being very sarcastic but
very dry witted, and I was like, who is this chick?
Like who is like hih? But anyway, Bates was super talented.

(23:12):
But I remember that in Saint Louis. I want to say,
Illinois shot forty threes in the in the championship game,
made it close, but North Carolina was the better team.
Was the better team.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
So also into October of that year, it was something
very memorable. May have been the first week in November.
You know, the White Sox broke an eighty eight year
World Series championship streak, and you know, you're happy for
the guys, Aaron Rowland and aj Prasinski, Mark Burley, we
all know the guys. But maybe the most cringey moment
of the year was when remember the White Sox caught

(23:44):
on fire that year and they started to play Don't
Stop Believing, maybe the most cliched sports anthem in the
history of a song.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Totally yes.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
And then they invited Steve Perry, the former lead singer
of Journey, to their post season parade celebrate, and somebody
came up with the great idea of doing an a
cappella version of Don't Stop Believing. Since they got Steve Perry,
let's all do it. Let's all sing along. So this
is a bunch of ballplayers and Steve Perry.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Foh smile, they can shave and night.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
It goes on and on and on and on.

Speaker 10 (24:21):
Strange come out up and down the ball shineos searching and.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Just a little, uh, just a little snippet for you.
Find it on YouTube. You'll love it. It's very cringey,
uh and awful.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I do think there was a tough task guest by
Steve Perry for to have the other guys sing the
words they didn't know impossible, you know, like come on,
you know no, Look, we only know don't Stop Believing
That song You're took on such a life of its own, because,
as you said, very cliched, but I would say in
the in the up until that point, it was a

(25:02):
good song in Journey's catalog like it wasn't close to
like the anthem that it has become. At this time,
I felt that their ballads of open arms and faithfully
were much more popular than don't Stop Believing It fair.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I think that's fair.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Before we jump over to music and movies and whatnot,
I do have to mention the year in golf in
two thousand and five, and I won't bore you with
all the details except to tell you that Tiger Woods
won two majors. But probably the shot that we most
remember on the sixteenth hole in the final round at
Augusta National missus the green on sixteen and has the

(25:38):
chip in with the ball just sitting there at the edge,
and then Verne Lundquist on the call one of the
great moments in all of golf. What's lost in that
is Tiger went bogie bogie at the end of the
round to actually fall into a playoff with Chris DeMarco.
That shot though, with the way that the Nike logo
on the ball fell into the cup, something that we

(26:00):
I don't know. I feel like it happened just yesterday,
but it was twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Mmm. Golf. In movies that year, the years two thousand
and five, Star Wars episode three, so the last of
the prequels came out. Revenge of the Sith was the
number one movie. Harry Potter, Goblet of Fire, War of
the Worlds, which I've never seen. I was third. Chronicles
of Narnia Lion which in the wardrobe. I remember that

(26:26):
book when I was like fourth grade, never saw the movie.
And Wedding Crashers was fifth. Wedding Crashers. Good movie. Batman
Begins that year, that was a good one. Meet the
Falkers was that year. Matt at Gascar, which we talked
about yesterday on the show. The movie The Hell the
New York Giants.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
The movie Crash won Best Picture of that year, and
that was well ahead of its time of art coming
out of Hollywood that wanted to make sure we all
knew that America is racist. Still we are still very rare,
and we're going to spend two hours with many examples.
Broke Back Mountain was also a critically acquam movie that years.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Can't quit You.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
I saw that movie. I saw that movie in theaters
with my mom.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
That's uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Yes it was. She was like, let's go see this movie.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, it's better than seeing with like your but
your best friend. Probably leave the chair in between. She like,
hands are brushing up against each other and you're like, no, probably.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Watch the trailer first. I didn't know. I didn't know. No,
if you're gonna go with your buddy, you should probably.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
But did you know what it was about?

Speaker 5 (27:38):
I did not know.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
No.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
My mom also took me to The Big Lebowski. Like
I've gone to many like oddball movies with my mom.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's like, it's a good movie, but it is about yes, so,
but yeah, that's one like did you have the talk afterwards?

Speaker 6 (27:54):
I was.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Old enough?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Is there something you want to tell me? It's okay.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
I was old enough to woman.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
That's that's great. She found a man that's okay too.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (28:09):
No, we we're we had already covered all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
So we shout out to moms and uncomfortable conversations.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah's uncomfortable movie and uncomfortable combos kind of bringing it
back to sports.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Without that movie, we would not have had that great
comeback by Roger Clemons. Remember Dave Stewart called Roger Clemons
out for being on Rooyd's in two thousand and five,
and then Roger Clemens's owner response was, yeah, broke back
Mountain inferring that the late Dave Stewart was was homosexual.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Wait, Dave Stewart's that dead?

Speaker 7 (28:38):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Oh? If he's still living, I'm sorry Dave Stewart.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
And Dave Stewart has not gotten the call yet. And
Dave Stewart also happily married, Like, yeah, I just don't
let the voice for you. I did not know he
said that broke back then Google it all right, dud.
That's don't call it the throwback Thursday.

Speaker 9 (28:57):
Don't call it a throwback steps that.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
I got the chow. Fox Sports TRADIERO. Let's get to
Dan Byer some breaking news.

Speaker 9 (29:07):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Indiana University and head football coach Kurt Signetti have agreed
on a new eight year contract extension that will pay
him more than an eleven and a half million dollars
over the length of the eight year deal. It runs
through twenty thirty three. Kurt Signetti not going anywhere, staying
in Bloomington.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Wow. Wait wait, wait is eleven point per year annual
compensation of a list one six million dollars?

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Wow that is wow, that's fascinating.

Speaker 9 (29:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
We just had that conversation with rich Wrmberger about you know,
if you're Signetti, like, why go anywhere else? This is
the other issue with firing guys early is all those
teams that are having good years know their coaches are
going to be in the crosshairs and so they you know,
it's like Nebraska, if they decide they want to keep
Matt Rule, they got like another month and a half
to make him sign some gargantuan contract otherwise they'll lose

(30:05):
him and start over.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
A lot of people getting rich off these coaching firings,
and Signetty has definitely earned his keep. That just seems
like a ton of money.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, with that eleven point six per year, that's top
five amongst coaches in college football.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Again, I'm not trying to get in anybody's pockets, and
obviously Indiana has deep ones. That's how they're able to
feel these teams. I do think though, there's got to
be a world where some of these coaches go like, hey,
five is enough, five millions enough. You can put some
money in an annuity for when I'm done. But I
would I would much prefer five more in to the
collective so we can get even better players, because then

(30:45):
you keep winning. But that's that's just me.

Speaker 9 (30:47):
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Speaker 1 (30:58):
What's your least favorite misuse of the English language or
is it your is it your favorite misuse? Or your
your favorite pet peeve or your least favorite pet peeve?

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Big, biggest pet peeve, biggest.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Biggest pet peeve, biggest pet peeve? Did you have one?
Chase two?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Oh, I've got lots of them. I judge people all
the time. But malaprops, malaprops in general, uh kind of
proved to me how uneducated you are. Malaprops for those
who don't know, or when you use a word and
mean to use a different word that sounds the same.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
I think, okay, and and help me out if I'm
I'm wrong with malaprops. But it's also you have a
tendency to use a more wordy word malapropism. Right, it's
the incorrect use of a word in a place that
similar sound, either unintentionally or for comedic effect. Right, it
so funny. Mala prompts are great, but sometimes they're unintentionally funny.

(32:03):
I view malpromptism as when people try to use big
words to sound smart and they misuse them. Is that accurate?

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't know. I know the most famous malprop in
the history of American literature is in the Adventures of
Huckleberry Fan, when the snake oil salesman tells a group
of people that he has a h he has the
cure for all the deceased.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Wow, bring them back from the dead.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Damn buy what's your what's your?

Speaker 7 (32:35):
Well?

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Would you say this?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I always thought it was browning points until about twenty
years ago when I was dating a girl and I
said something about browning points. She's like, it's brownie points. Like,
what are you talking about? It's browning because I thought
it was kissing butt and when you would kiss butt,
maybe your nose would get brown. She goes, No, it's
brownie yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Like bringing brownies to the to the office, Right, that's
the isn't it.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
I don't know. I thought it was that. Yeah, yeah,
just I thought it was Browning.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Yeah, like Jake Browning points.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yes exactly, Jake Brian didn't score up and it made
sense to me. That's okay. Most most people, I would say,
more than fifty percent of people say it's a tough
road to hoe, and it's row to hoe. You don't
hoe a road that's impossible to hoe, you ho a row.

(33:30):
But correct, correct, correct, my chasty, what'd you say?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
My my?

Speaker 1 (33:40):
What pet peeve? My my least favorite pet peeve?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I think he's efforting my biggest pet peeve.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
My biggest pet peeve is what, well, I don't know,
it's biggest. Yeah, biggest is what Caleb Williams said about
the criticism from Troygman. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (33:55):
I could care less. Uh, it's kind of how I've
I think I've said multiple times. People are gonna say
what they have to say.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
We win, we lose.

Speaker 11 (34:04):
People have stuff to say. It was lucky, it was
not lucky. People have stuff to say. Have a bad game,
have a good game.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
You know.

Speaker 11 (34:10):
People have stuff to say. So it's it's it doesn't matter.
We're only worried about what's going on here within this
building and with these guys. So that's all all I
can say about that.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Okay, Yeah, it's if you could care less, that means
you care and you could actually care less. That means
you care a lot or enough to where you could
care less.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
You haven't hit rock bottom and caring.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
No, that's it's I could not care less, I couldn't
care less or I could not care less. Please make
a note of it. Stett Gottlieb show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Rich Hornberger joins us. He's a former NFL lineman.
Remember he played college football at Penn State. He's the
host of Fox Sports Radio's Countdown to kick Off, which
airs each Saturday between nine am and noon Eastern time.

(34:53):
Listen live, and of our Fox Sports Radio Phillis or
the iHeartRadio represented by Bett MGM. Rich, let me start
with your moto at Penn State. What's your reaction to
James Franklin being fired after three straight losses?

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Well, it's expected considering the time we live in in
college football, this nil era. We're at a point where
outside voices matter more to football programs than they ever have.
I mean, you have people who can donate a significant

(35:27):
amount of money not just to football programs, but now
directly to players, and not only just players on your roster,
but also players that you're potentially recruiting into the future.
And those people who are willing to front that type
of money have a lot more sway and consideration when

(35:48):
major decisions are being made about the future of said program.
So we're living in a time where the most important
word all in college football is recruitment. What started happening
with James Franklin during this three game skid is you're
hearing about players, you know, wavering on their commitments to

(36:11):
Penn State, and there was, you know, a couple of decommits.
You know, you have these situations where these these people
who have invested resources into the football program are looking
at the future of the football program and understanding where
college football is going, where it's going to lean mightily
on retaining great players, keeping the players you have in house,

(36:35):
but then also bringing in great players, whether it be
from high school or in the transfer portal. And if
you have a situation where all of a sudden you
have an unpopular place to go to as a result
of the results of the season, you unfortunately have to
make a move. Now, this is nothing about the character
of the man. I think James Franklin is a good

(36:56):
guy and he's he's a heck of a recruiter and
a heck of a ball coach. But he really struggled.
You know that the record is the record in games
against top ten opponents. Uh, it's been it's been a
dearth of wins. And there's been a lot more attention
paid to that recently than ever before because of how

(37:17):
much better the conference has gotten through realignment.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I understand all that. I mean, the decommitment thing, I mean,
it really kind of means nothing to me. And I'll
tell you why, Rich is, when you fire the coach,
everybody's decommitting like you're lose. You're gonna lose ninety of
the team, right, That's that's the reality to it. But
I look, I I do understand. I I don't understand.

(37:45):
Why do it?

Speaker 7 (37:45):
Now?

Speaker 1 (37:46):
That's that's my question. Why wouldn't you just let them
coach the coaching you can. You can make the exact
same move. And if anything, if if Matt Rules really
your guy, you're giving Nebraska. You know, like a month
and a half have to figure out how they can
form a contract that he can't get out of or
you know, I mean that's really kind of what you do. Otherwise,

(38:06):
you put them in much better or you know, you
give them a shorter window to come back from what
it's likely to be an offer.

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Well, you're looking at this very rationally, and I think
a lot of times these decisions aren't necessarily based off
of rationality and they're more emotional decisions. And I completely
agree with you. I think strategically, tactically, there's a better
way to go about all of this. I think that
James Franklin, like I said, is a heck of a

(38:39):
football coach. I don't think one three game slide is
necessarily what warrants are firing, you know. I mean, you
can certainly again harken back to the record against top
ten teams and say, like this is a problem historically
with his tenure as a head coach. But the reality is,

(39:04):
I feel like there were a lot of people either
within the program or on the outside, with close ties
to the program, but we're tired of seeing those high
profile losses and were waiting for the best possible evidence
or excuse to make the decision, and so strategically, maybe
for them it made a lot of sense to wait
for the lowest point of his coaching career with Penn State.

(39:27):
And there's no doubt that this, you know, the loss
to Oregon and then the you know, the consecutive losses
to UCLA on the road, and then the home game
against Northwestern were you know, you know that compilation of
losses was the low point. But goodness gracious, I mean,
doesn't mean that it's a lost season. Doesn't mean that
you need to move on from the coach immediately. No, no,

(39:49):
of course it doesn't. And and tactically there there was
probably a better way to go about all of it.
But I don't think they were necessarily worried about tactics.
They were more worried about, Hey, what's going to feel
good right now? Even if it costs us a little
bit more money, even if it potentially costs us our
targeted coaching higher, at least we were able to tear

(40:13):
the band aid off when there was a moment where
it felt right to do so. And so I agree
with you, Doug. I think the why, the why is
because there was there was enough groundswell of emotion behind
the decision to do this right now, and I think
that's as far as anybody thought.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Stug Gotlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Rich Ormberg. Of course you can hear him
on count had to kickoff every Saturday here on Fox
Sports Radio, presented by bet MGM. Huge weekend in college football.
I want to ask about Oklahoma, right, you know, here
they were rolling along, then they go into the Red
River rivalry. Texas comes limping in in Texas Thompson. Now

(40:58):
they go to South Carolina. South this is like their
last game in which they they're face probably likely to
be favored or definitely favorite body as many points. What's
your thoughts on OU bouncing back from last week?

Speaker 6 (41:11):
I mean, is it possible? Yeah? But South Carolina all
of a sudden is looking a little bit more like
what we were supposed to seek. How South Carolina look
like to start the season. You know a lot of
people were really high on Lenora Sellers as a potential
Heisman selection. I think I think that boat is probably

(41:35):
much farther from shore than it was to start the season.
But in terms of Oklahoma, I mean, can they write
the ship?

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:47):
Do I have a tremendous amount of faith that they're
going to write the ship. No, To be perfectly honest
with you, I think that I think that joining the
SEC was one of those things that they had to do.
I don't think it was it was necessarily the best
thing for the football program, I think, but they had

(42:09):
to do it. And I think the weekend week out
rigor of competition in that conference has worn down that
roster more than predicted over the past couple of seasons,
and I think it may take another year or two
of roster construction to be able to compete with the

(42:31):
type of talent that you have floating around the SEC
and getting used to taking on the level of competition
they're facing in the SEC on a year and a
year out basis.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Rich let me ask you about Vanderbilt. They're a home
favorite against LSU. This is not your this is not
our Vanderbilt that that's competing LSU. After looking great first
week the season at Clemson, we find out Clemson's just okay.
Their offense is kind of stuck. Can Vanderbilt beat LSU

(43:02):
at home? Will they beat ls at home?

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Vanderbilt is capable of beating, of hosting and beating top
level teams. Vanderbilt gives a real run at I mean,
like you know, look, I don't want to overstate. I
don't want to overstate like the for example, the game
against Alabama they lost by two scores, was a two scores.

(43:25):
I think the final is thirty to fourteen. But like
when you look at that game, for example, like you know,
is Bama the nick Sabanbama? No, does Bama have a
defense like they used to? Know? Do I think that
Emma could potentially compete for a national championship maybe this year,
maybe not, but but Vandy absolutely can sneak up on teams.

(43:49):
And LSU has had some head scratching moments already this season.
So yeah, I don't I don't. I don't put that
out of them the realm of possibility, because Vanderbilt usually
has one or two really really sneaky punches in them
each season, and this could be.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
It definitely could be. It another big game in Athens, Georgia.
I mean, the SEC is just stacked. This week you
had Tennessee Obama. But of course you know with with
Georgia a team that has lost at home, right, they
lost at home, but it was it was to Alabama.
This is a gigantic game against Old Miss. What do

(44:30):
you like in the Old Miss Georgia game.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I like Georgia, I think, I mean, we we know,
we know what it is. It's it's it's hard to
win between the hedges. I mean that is that is
the place that classically has hosted some horror shows for
for uh for s visiting SEC teams. And you know,

(44:54):
you have a team in Old Miss who I think
has an abundance of confidence, and I thin that is
earned and should be recognized with the win over LSU.
But I look, it takes a special group to be
able to go into that place and leave with the W.
So I'm leaning Georgia here. However, again, the same way

(45:15):
we were just talking about Bama is the way I'll
talk about Georgia. I mean, this isn't This isn't Georgia
two or three years ago, even where they were, you know,
pumping out national championship visits. It feels like they've taken
a little bit of a step down. I think in
college football overall, there's more parody than there's been in years,

(45:35):
and I do think that is the leveling off or
chilling factor that the nil era has had on college football.
I think you're seeing a lot of teams being able
to compete at a higher level and stand toe to
toe with you know, these standard national powers because you
know they they they're able to recruit and retain the

(45:58):
talent now as long as they have d pockets, or
they're spending the money in the right places, or they
happen to have a year where they're getting lucky or
fortunate with their injury situation. But having said all that,
it's a tough place to win in Georgia, So I'll
take the dogs at home.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Rich Ornberger. Rich let me ask you about Indiana.
Like they go in and beat and beat Organ at
Organ and you got a coach who's won. He's got
some swag too. He's got this funny, quirky, super confident presentation.

(46:36):
Do you stay there signetti? Like I get you could
probably make a jump, But I think he Indiana's got
a ton of money and they've never been anything. And
now there's something I don't know, Like again, in the
in the in the last fifty years, you'd always leave
to go to a Penn State, or to an Arkansas
or to wherever from an Indiana, but that where the

(47:00):
landscape has changed. Whereas if they fund them the way
I think they're funded, do you just stay there?

Speaker 6 (47:06):
I mean, look, this is this is one of those
personal questions that unless you know the man and unless
you know the thought process, you won't have the answer.
And I guess we'll find out soon. But you laid
it out perfectly, Doug. And you know, you've been watching
college football for a very long time, and you know

(47:27):
we've all seen it. You know, you can have a
very long and prosperous career setting down deep roots out
of university and ingratiating yourself to the SAM base and
you know, welcoming alumni to participate and be actively involved,
and they can do so more than ever, you know,

(47:48):
given the times and how they've changed. And you know,
basically it's like open donation to the players, pocketbooks and
all the things we know about college football right now.
But you know, there's there's also that other side to
this coin, which is if you are the type of
coach who has spent his entire life waiting for this moment,

(48:10):
you know, to grasp that life's golden ring to have
an opportunity to be one of those names that's you know,
etched on the wall at one of these top tier universities.
And then on top of that, obviously the goal doesn't
stop there. You know, your hope is to bring a
national championship. That's what you're fighting for. To take it

(48:31):
a step further, you know, an opportunity like Penn State.
I mean, how often is that going to come around
during the prime of signettes years. I don't know, you know,
is there going to be another round of hirings or
firings while he's still at the tippy top of the
mountain in terms of names available on the coaching carousel,

(48:53):
Where he's going to even be be considered for a
job like that, I mean, I don't know, and he
doesn't either, and so you got factor that into this
equation too. Do I think it's likely that he stays
at Indiana? No, Because I mean, if we're going to
look at the numbers, if we're going to look at
the stats on coaches who have moved on after having
success at a smaller program going to a bigger program,

(49:16):
I mean, that's literally how he landed the Indiana job.
Where was he before that?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Was at? I up?

Speaker 6 (49:20):
I mean, you know, I forget, I forget what school.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Is James Madison. Remember remember they had they had Tom
Allen a couple of years ago and he was king
of the world there, and he had Michael Pennix. He's
beaten people. Pennix hurts his knee transfers, and you know,
Tom Allen's out of a job a couple years later
because he stayed at Indiana instead of making the gym. Right,
that's a good point.

Speaker 6 (49:43):
Yeah, we've seen it happen there before. So yeah, I mean,
do I think the Hoosiers fans are really excited for
the the what he's done for them. Absolutely. Do I
think he's excited for what he's been able to do
for them. Absolutely? But do I think the likeliest scenario
is that he stays. No, I think the like scenario
is that he moves on and he moves up.

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