October 20, 2025 • 54 mins
On a Monday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb: Doug breaks down the wild 4th quarter of the Broncos-Giants game as Denver had a near-impossible comeback to get New York.
On this installment of Love AND Hate, Doug and the crew share what they loved most and hated most from the sports weekend.
Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a great day. What a sports weekend, kids, Wow Wow,
be late. A happy birthday to Sam Kinsley, who's our
resident Cliff Claven On the ones and twos, his Hawk
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Eys escape with a one point victory over Penn State.
Showe hey Atani has arguab maybe inarguably the greatest playoff
performance of all time. College football was insane in so
many different ways. The you goes down also Friday night
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that you went down, you went down at home, and
then you go to yesterday and Colts look like they're
for real. Congratulations to me on drafting Jonathan Taylor. It's
my starting running back in fantasy football. I nailed that one.
I nailed that one, and then we got the New
York Giants and the Denver Broncos so Buyer you know,
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does his Sunday show, and these games are going on,
and to those of us who are like red Zone Nation,
you're like, why do we keep coming back? Why do
we keep coming back to this game? And I remember
the extra point that was missed in the first half
when the Giants were up thirteen nothing, and the announcers
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always that that could come back to get to bite them,
and they missed another one in the fourth quarter. Turns
out it did come back, in fact to bite them.
The Denver Broncos score thirty three points in the fourth quarter,
win the game thirty three thirty two. There's a lot.
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Let's let's get to some of the voices of some
of the key players in this thing. Here's Brian Daboll,
head coached the Giants on what he said to his
team after the loss.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, tough loss. Put her heart stroll into it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So not a lot of talking that needs to be
done when you lose a game like that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Everybody gave everything they had.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
They should yell Shane direction at the end there Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
No, nothing that we lost the game.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was upsetting.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
We're gonna set with shame in.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
That moment, it was directed, No, we lost the.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Here's Jackson Dart, his starting quarterback, on the loss.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I think for right now, it's just it's really frustrating, man.
I'm trying to put it all together.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We had chances to win the game, didn't do it.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
It's frustrating.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I never felt like we were gonna lose the game.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
So, you know, I looked at the clock when they scored, said, Dame,
we got a lot.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Of time left.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
I had.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I had no doubt that we were gonna go down
there and score.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Here's Bo Nicks, the victorious quarterback on the fourth quarter.
They put up thirty three in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We just saved all our good ones for the fourth
quarter and you know, they've just they worked.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
We just kept running them and you know, we found
some momentum and our defense found some stops, got a
huge turnover, and all of a sudden, we just got
some life back that we could win the game. And
so we you know, kept playing until we won the game.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Crazy stuff. You know, I think one of the things
that I can use my other job to relate in sports.
And you know, we played Oakland University our last game
of the regular season, Greig Campus, the coach. Everybody remembers
Oakland because they just beat Kentucky the year before, and
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we're up fourteen with like five and a half minutes
to go, lost the game in overtime and had time
chance to win it. We were similarly up fourteen against
Youngstown State, which was actually better than Oakland, and lost it.
I think the thing, there's a bunch of things one
young teams. It's hard to teach him how to win,
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you know, they sometimes you have to what do we
always say, feel the pain before you taste the champagne.
And learning how to win is a hard, hard skill
to teach. And closing out games is not something that
all people, especially when you're at a new high level,
know how to do. And Jackson Dart is a little
bit reckless, so the fact that he did throw a
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big interception shouldn't be a huge surprise. But what I found,
and I think the Giants already showed this with how
well they played, especially defensively and a little bit offensively
in the first half, there is carry over game to game.
You know, they look like a confident, confident bunch in
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the first half against the Denver Broncos and I think
that's carrying over the confidence from playing the Philadelphia Eagles.
Now think about where they are today, and my guess is, well,
it doesn't mean it will last the whole game. In
their next game, it's going to be about half of
a game where they lack confidence because no matter how
big the lead they could get, it's surmountable because it
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was just surmounted yesterday Byer. When you're hosting the show
with Kerrie and it's Sunday afternoon and you have the
screens up, at what point in time did you go, hey,
we might have something going on here in Denver.
Speaker 9 (05:56):
Well, we had something going on when it was thirteen
nothing and Denver couldn't do anything with the football. Then
when it was nineteen nothing at the end of the
third quarter, you're like, okay, probably over with but but
we'll keep our eye on it. So Denver scores. They
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score early the fourth quarter, and then the Broncos are
excuse me, the Giants are on offense and there's a
play where the ball goes through Wandale Robinson's hands and
then ends up in the hands of Theo Johnson. Two
Broncos defenders collide and Johnson goes into the end zone
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and it's twenty six to eight, and you say to yourself,
there it is. That's how you know it's the Giants day.
So at that point, when it's twenty six to eight,
with like ten minutes left in the game, you're saying
to yourself, all right, well this is this is probably
probably over. And then all of a sudden, Denver comes down,
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even though they score dug even though they score in
their next possession. I mean there's a point where right
before they scored their touchdown, there was five point fifteen
left to go in the game and it's twenty six
to eight in favor of the Giants. So then Denver
scores on that next play, and then you're like twenty
six to sixteen, but still Denver really hadn't done tons
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on offense except for those previous two drives. Then Dart
throws the bad interception. By the way, you're hearing a
lot of praise on Jackson Dart's numbers today. Jackson Dart
through the bad interception. He missed two opportunities on wide
open plays where it open yes one of the game
ended the game. And then the only reason that he
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got to score on the one yard run, which by
the way, would have been better if he was probably
down at the inch yard line. They could have worked
the clock and then had three chances to get it
in from a half yard out. I know it's not
a guarantee. I know you say you got to score
in that situation, but they had a timeout, they had
a lot of control down four, but the only reason
that they got down there was because of an awful
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pass interference call. He did make a great play on
fourth and nineteen, but that was even aided by an
awful roughing the passer call. And I was sitting next
to Carry Roads through all this, and then they showed
one of the Giants defensive players on the oxygen and
Carrie's like, that's a real thing. Sure, So the Giants
defense didn't have anything left, so that allowed then Denver
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to have all the success that they had, And even
with that, it was shocking on how it turned out.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, it's funny you point out the altitude because the
one time we played in Colorado when I was at
Oklahoma State, we'd lost. We had a twenty point lead
a half, and you know, between the officiating and the
and the altitude, it got to us. I agree with Carrie.
That is an absolute real thing. And I'd be interested
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to know when Brian Dable when they arrived in Denver,
because they tell you arrive as late as possible because
if you're not used to it, your blood doesn't have
enough oxygenation, and the longer you're there you don't actually adjust,
it gets worse than you get oxygen poisoning. So it
had all the check marks of a team that's gonna
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lose a gigantic and seemingly insurmountable lead.
Speaker 8 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You have a young quarterback who also is aggressive to
maybe the point of being reckless. You have altitude, you
have a coach who's won a Super Bowl before and
is like a professorio been doing it forever. All these
situations done in Burneu. And then you have one team
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that won that was in the playoffs last year, another
team that lost that had the big lead, that had
a terrible year last year. So there's a little bit
of a a you know, culture of winning and culture
of losing. One has been established as a culture of
winning was the Denver Broncos. It was a perfect storm,
perfect storm. And then you have the two missed extra
point which which also obviously ate it and helped generate it,
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and and you know left left the door open. So
there's a bunch of different parts to it. In all
the things we had this weekend, you know, between Miami
going down, Vanderbilt getting a gigantic win, you know, you
go throughout the NFL, and and and and green Bay surviving.
Remember Green Bay was stuck on the tarmac in in
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Green Bay for like five hours the night before the game,
day before the game. There's all kinds of craziness that
took place between Friday Saturday. I didn't show Hayes unbelievable
night right baseball, which we have a game seven tonight
between the Blue Jays. All of those things, and whether
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it's the train wreck that was the Giants with the
lead giving it up, or the comeback for the Denver Broncos,
whatever side you're on, that's all anybody can think about.
That's all anybody can remember. And this is like Christian
McCaffrey had a great night last night. Nobody cares. It's
because thirty three points in the fourth quarter, Jackson darts
aggressiveness and the reward for having young players, but then
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the misses in the fourth quarter all of that makes
hit the story of the weekend.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
I could give you a little insight as well, because
you have a game going on in Glendale, Arizona, where
the Cardinals make a questionable call on a fourth down
play with six minutes to go, give the ball back
to Green Bay. Matt Lafleur says, we're going to kick
a field goal. Now we'll go nonstead, We're going to
go for it on fourth down, down three with a
couple of minutes left.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
In the game.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
They score, then Jacoby resets bringing his team down the field.
All of that overshadowed by the craziness of the Broncos game.
And it's funny because you hear the cuts and you
hear people asking the two missed extra points are absolute killers.
They change everything. But to sit there and absolve everybody
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else of any wrongdoing, one one person just had to
make one more play, sure, And that's yeah, yeah, it's
the Giants were about to be in the playoff picture, yeah,
right at three and four that you would have they
would have been on the graphic on Fox, would have
been all the way to the right, that would have
been in the hunt. But they would have been in
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the hunt. Seven weeks into the season, which would have
been absurd.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
We got we had so many things to get to,
but I just it's so unique that you and Carrie
were watching this happen and Uh, I'm sitting there going
like why they keep coming back to this game on
red Zone? This game's over over, tair it off, don't
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put it on. It's like, watch the Jets can't do it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
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Speaker 1 (12:53):
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one and Game two will be in Toronto, Canada. So
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maybe maybe that'll be part of the love and the
hate of Jay Stewart. Not sure. And then we have
a double header with Monday Night Football tonight, which the
double header tonight is the uh they're what's it called,
Dan where they're they're back to back.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They don't overlap, right, I'd say a true double header.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yes, the other one is, yes.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Staggered start. That's what I was looking for. Thank you,
I appreciate. So you got Bucks and Lions, which really
is that's the good game. But then Dan's got to
stay up late. But he's on the West Coast. It's
not really that late. Texans and Seahawks. That's a lot
of TV watching. But the Seahawks at four and two.
We get to see Sam Darnold in the standalone game
late against the Texans, who are kind of meandering through
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this third year with their quarterback and and their head coach,
and the upstart Buccaneers against the Lions. Lions playing at home,
they are a sizeable favorite. So we'll give you our picks.
We'll talk about the games Game seven as well upcoming
forget to any that. We do. Want to offer this
chance to look back at the weekend. What we love,
what we hate? Got Jason Stewart, you got Iowa, Sam,
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you got Dan Byron, myself, Doug Gottlieb. We call it
love it hate.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
What did you love?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
God?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I love you?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Meetley's player haters? Mmmmmm ah love love love love love
hate hate hate hate hate hate. There's so much of both.
Mmmm they I'm starting boys. I loved the college football weekend.
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It started on Friday where two things happened that I
just love. One. Miami lost. Now I don't have anything
against the current Miami players or coaching staff. I don't don't,
but I generally I just Miami to me, always with
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a dirty program. Now it's like legal for them to
be it's not a dirty program anymore. But there's always
been this kind of level of arrogance that hasn't been
earned because they haven't won anything in I don't know,
twenty years, right, And I get it, Like that's kind
of college football in a nutshell, you have to live
on your past. But just the arrogance of Miami and
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getting popped at home by Scott Sadderfield and Louisville assumeing
and coach Brohm and Louisville, right, what is that? All
he does is beat top five, top three teams. Yeah,
he's awesome. Louisville ends up getting to win in an
exciting football game. But then the same night and again,
I like Matt Rule, but it's like I had a
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buddy text me and Aaron, I'll give you a shout out,
my man. Aaron texted me, He's like, so everybody at
Penn State wants to hire Matt Rule, and they fired
a guy who'd been there for a while because he
hadn't won the big game. He's like, well, when was
Matt Ruhle won the big Game? And I was like, well,
and then he said, isn't this kind of like an audition?
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They go up to Minnesota and they get popped. There's
a lot of other things I like about college football,
but like, we make all these assumptions like Miami's gonna
beat Louisville and it's a home game, and then you
see their fans melt down and beat the crap out
of each other in the stands. I just I'm not
a big Miami Hurricane football fan guy. And then the
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Nebraska thing, where all they want to do is hang
on to Matt Rule because Matt Rule's rebuilding the program,
and Penn State might want to hire Matt Rule because
the Penn State guy, but they fired a guy because
he wouldn't win the big game. And then Matt Roule
hasn't won the big game. I don't know. I love
the hypocrisy of colleg football.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
A couple of things to that. Somebody on this show,
I forget, said that Tommy Fraser's not going to walk
through the door on Friday. Do you guys remember.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That that was our j suit team parlay.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Tommy Fraser's not walking through the door. Take the points
with Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Larry Burk's not walking through that door. And then you
should when you say Tommy Frasier, you should say Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
Larry Burk's not walking through that door. Walk at the door,
not walking through that door.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
And did you guys Carson.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yes, when he threw his wide receiver on the bus.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We had a education with the with the route and
what we were doing. So ran the route wrong and
I went to go throw it because we're hot off
of the pressure. And again he made a good play
on it. So but it definitely didn't help that we
ran the wrong play.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
What did you guys think? Because that was like on
Twitter anyways, which is where I live, this was kind
of universally hated, like the blue check marks hated this. Well,
what was it about this? It was so inflammatory.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Because he at first he says miscommunication, which we're good with, right,
that means somebody, It means somebody ran the wrong route.
It would have been. But then when he said the
wide receiver ran the wrong route. Now he's like, I
did what I was supposed to do. He didn't. That's
that leadership.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
I like when he doubled down and then hit on
that and then went all in with his double down
again on the wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Hey, I I just want to mention that he ran
the wrong route. Just he made a good play. It
didn't help we ran the wrong route, did I mention
that he ran the wrong route.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
What did uh? What did you want? Manning side? If
it's if it's your fault, it's the team's fault. What's
what's the what's the what's the phrase? If you win,
it's the team. If you lose, it's it's your fault.
That was like the opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I guess, yeah, yeah, that actually wasn't Can I get
one another? One more love? I'm sorry? I well, you know,
let's go through because somebody else might have it, and
I'll circle back to it.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Dan Buyer Goo, Yeah, because when Doug took the entire
college football weekend, it took like I just I ended up.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I did. I'll take Friday. I'll take Friday. Go, you
get the rest go. I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
So Ohio State didn't have much trouble with Wisconsin, But
at the same time, ole Miss and Georgia were playing.
And one of the things that I do like to
do is if there is a conflicting game that I'm
interested in, I will record it. And even though you
know the outcome, it's still exciting. And ole Miss in
Georgia was just as exciting knowing the outcome of the game,
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just to talk about the atmosphere that is Adage. Georgia
to me is one of my top three favorite college
football environments. I like the late afternoon start, still light out,
everything about it, and ole Miss had opportunities. Georgia just
made more plays and it was a great college football game.
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A lot of offense, but when Ole Miss needed to
make the plays, they couldn't, and when Georgia needed to
make the plays they did. Just a great college football
game between old in Georgia.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
This past weekend, sam Well, I had a great birthday weekend,
So it's gonna be hard for me to come up
with a true hate. But in my love, you know,
the whole you know, Friday night was amazing with the
Dodgers clinching you know, the the National League Pennant, but
the real great sports weekend overall. But the cherry on
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top was Iowa was crazy twenty five twenty four win
over Penn State.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I did not know.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
I did not pick this game for the Gambler because
I had no idea what to make of it. Not
that I know what I'm doing anyway when it comes
to betting analysis, but I really did not know what
to expect they were going to be starting a new quarterback.
Terry Smith, the interim coach, has taken over, and he
said right before the game, he's like, we're gonna shock
the world tonight. You just watched they almost did, and
Iowa kind of helped them towards that end.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
By the world watching on Peacock.
Speaker 10 (21:51):
Yeah, the world, well the world of me watching on Peacock.
Great great production they do over at Peacock. But it
was a incredibly stressful game. Iowa kind of was helping
Penn State get to upsetting the Hawkeyes with uh they
were going to do a sixty six yard field goal attempt,
which would have been the record for the longest field
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attempt field goal made of all time. It was blocked
in return for a touchdown, and Iowa was down fourteen
to ten at half. Then they were down twenty one
to ten, and then Mark Gronowski, i was quarterback, put
him on his shoulders and they ended up winning. But
that was like one of the most stressful, exhausting games
I've I've ever watchached.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
How many people do you think, in like in Russia,
in India and just around the world open their phones
and saw the score that Iowa won and they're like, yep,
I knew it right, Like I knew it. I knew
it it was it was going to happen.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
If it's just an audience of one and that one
person happened to be in the world. Well, that game
doesn't even show up in the top twenty five because
no one's ranked. I know, you have to sort big
ten score Dan pooh poohing on my nom poo pooing
on the shock the world. Well, I think that he
There was so much talk from who's the former, she's
(23:08):
with Peacock now Robinson, Michael Robinson. Michael Robinson was kind
of He did a lot of explaining where Penn State's
mind was at. I think a lot of people that
have followed that program, we're gonna be yeah, how do
they respond with no James Franklin and no Drew Aller
And yes, for the people that cared, it was a
pretty exhilarating lazy game.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
And like James Franklin did the previous three weeks, they
lost a close game.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yes, I know, Okay, I as a casual college football fan,
could you guys, one of you three tell me where
I'm missing out here? Because the shock the world. Thing
is surprising to me. Shocking the world is when UCLA
is a twenty six point dog and they went outright.
The Hawkeys are a three point favorite at home? Is it?
Don't you get three points for being at home?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Where's the shock the world here? This was a coin flip.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It there's not, there's not, there's at Let's let's get
to yours there, Jason.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But could I just add one more thing now? He
said that?
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Excuse me when he said that, Uh, it was it
just put a little chill don my because they played
so hard.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Penn State played song they did.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
They did play, They did player, they did not quit,
saw each other.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
It was a tough game. They really got all everything
thrown at Iowa. So carry on.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Game four of the NLCS, I know people were torn.
People were like, man, I'd like to see the series
extended so we could watch more baseball. I think most
people shared my paranoia as a Dodger fan. Win tonight.
Don't give them any breathing room. We all remember Kyle
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Schwarber's home run in the previous series that gave the
Phillies life. I did not want to repeat that in
Game four against Dan's Brewers. I hate that Dan had
to be the the uh, the receiver, the victim of
this sweep, but it needed to be. We needed to
put the Brewers in the rearview mirror and focus on
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the next team, and boy did we do it in
spectacular fashion. A lot of people have overstated or tried
to overstate what Shoheo Tani did, but just in layman's terms,
if you're a casual baseball fan, you had a pitcher
in Ah, I guess the what do you call those games?
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A finishing game, series, finishing.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Game, closeout game, clinching hit, throw.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Home runs after doing dog crap for the first couple
series of the postseason, three home runs, one of them
cleared the wall in the pavilion, which I've never seen
done in right field anyways. And then he was throwing
one hundred miles an hour and hired all five of
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his pitches working, And to the layman, I don't know
if you understand that big league pitchers typically have two
really good pitches and then they'll throw in the third
or fourth pitch as just kind of a compliment. He
pitches effectively with five pitches. He throws one hundred miles
an hour. He struck out ten batters and six innings
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while hitting three home runs through six innings of baseball.
His box score was three home runs and six innings
of pitched ball with ten strikeouts, no earned runs given up,
the greatest box score in the history of baseball. Sho
Helo Tani on Friday Night. I've heard other people attempt
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to give things that are comparable. I've heard some real ramches.
In other words, if you bring something to the table
that I've never heard of in fifty years, that kind
of answers the question, like if you're like, yeah, babe,
Ruth he came in and closed out a game once,
and okay, did he hit three home runs in that
same game? I love so anyways, sho Halo Tani Friday Night,
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one of the greatest experiences of ever had on my couch. Pause.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's an old timer. I'm gonna throw in one more
love because we did text about this one. I don't.
I just look, I'm not. I've never been a Russell
Wilson guy, just because I know guys in the NFL
that always thought he was a phony. But since the
talent has seemingly like evaporated, I just I didn't buy
(27:31):
in last year. I didn't buy it in Denver. I
didn't buy in this year. But man, you want to
talk about some shade. Denver scores thirty three in the
fourth quarter, comes from behind to beat the Giants, right,
And so they asked Sean Payton about the Giants where
he used to beat out fensive coordinator and about Jackson Dart.
Take a listen to this shade he throws at Russell
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Wilson at the end.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I have a ton of respect for that organization. I
spent four of my early years there coordinating Super Bowl
first time, first game in this stadium before nine to
eleven close with the marrit Tish family. You know, they
found a little spark with that quarterback. I was talking
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to John Mayor not too long ago, and I said,
we were hoping that that change would have happened long
long after our game.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Damn, we wanted to face Russell Wilson because he's thinks.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
He's thinks Wow, so much shade.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh so much. They hate each other so much. All right,
let's get to hate. Uh, that's what we love. Let's
get to what we hate. In the weekend, our resident
hater is none of the Jason Stewart, how about it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I think there's like this, there's this perception that the
Chargers are all beat up and their offensive line are
down to their third stringers, and we've kind of lost
hope for or probably the postseason this year. I would
take it a step further, like just watching the game
yesterday and that was a real hate watch for me.
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I could say that we should probably not play Justin Herbert.
This is my thinking. He's gonna get killed on a
football field. I don't know how many pressures you could take.
I don't know how many times you could get hit
without that one hit that really injures you. I know
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that Herbert. I think he gets credit for being the
guy that could take a hit, but not you know,
no one's completely unsusceptible to that one breaker. It's getting dangerous.
I bring in our backup for the time being. It
was a backup that was taken I think second overall
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in the in the draft at one point. Maybe it
would be kind of fun to throw him out there
and see how he could do until we get our
guys back. It's really scary watching Justin Herbert take snaps
with that offensive line.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Damn Yeah, just off the heels of that, and maybe
we dive into it at some point later this week,
something interesting happened. I don't know if it's because Jason
and I went to that Bills game a couple of
weeks ago, but I feel like I'm a little more
in tune and hearing more of this Bills chatter. And
after the Bills lost this past weekend of the Falcons,
I read a tweet someone was complaining saying, like the
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window like the it is time to start complaining about
not taking care of your star quarterback. And the Chargers,
understandably so have injuries. I almost feel like they've done
a better job of taking care of their quarterback than
Buffalo has had. But at what point do you start
looking at failures of not supporting your quarterback And it's
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happening in Buffalo, and just wonder when that time comes
for the Chargers, because I think I still think there's
a different conversation about the Chargers with Justin Herbert and
what they have around him, and those injuries cloud that up. Anyway,
mind stays in the NFL will make it quick. The
Cardinals decided to go for it on fourth down up
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twenty three to twenty on the Packers yesterday was six
minutes to go and they run a Jacoby Brissette sneak
up the middle at their own forty eight yard line.
Don't get it. It allows green Bay to have a
game winning drive. Now, the Packers made plays on their
drive a fourth and two that they converted, didn't settle
for a field goal. But if Jonathan Gannon is going
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to slap Amari de Marcado because of his bad decision
on the touchdown, then maybe Jonathan Gannon should have something
happened to him because he, yes, he made an awful
decision to go for it up three yesterday against Green
Bay and likely cost his Cardinals the game.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Sam okay, I think Sam maybe worth in here.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I'm here.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
I'm here so again, like I said, my love portion
not a lot to complain about on your birthday weekend.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
A lot of love, I will say, though.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
Florida firing Billy Napier after they win a game and
it wasn't like they climbed back to beat Mississippi State.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Who's you know right now? A cellar dweller in the SEC.
Speaker 10 (32:15):
They had a twenty to seven lead and they held
on to win like twenty three to twenty one, but
firing a coach after a win. And I know they've
been struggling, but firing coach after a win. And so
it's like all these midweek, mid year firings for these
coaches are sort of like raising my blood pressure. And
then I saw that Napier was fired after a win.
I was just like, why this is why?
Speaker 9 (32:36):
You know, we did a game time of college programs
that we, you know, kind of like to see do better. Yeah,
Florida will never be on that list. Like I I'm
glad that Florida is mid to mediocre to maybe bad.
Like I don't. I don't need to see Florida good.
We had too much Florida at one time with football
and basketball. I don't ever need to see the Gators
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good again at anything.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
All Right, I got something I hate. Uh. I heard
Cam Newton say this. Oh I'm sorry about this. So
Cam Newton on a podcast was asked if he would
rather have team success or personal success. Okay, take a
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listen to his answer.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
Would you rather being a spot where you can individually achieve,
have success, have statistics and lose or would you want
to be someone that contributes to a team that can
win a.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
Super Bowl, And I'm glad you asked that. When you're
talking about individual play, this is how I this is
how I take care of my family. Team success don't
take care.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Of my family.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
So if I'm thinking about it from a personal standpoint,
of course, we want the best.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Of both worlds.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
But if you're asking me, what gives you extensions, what
gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,
there are some more players that have rings, championships and
things that.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
Are struggling rather than soo quote unquote bus that has
had money and they're doing right by their money.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, feel free to point out to who those people are.
By the way, Cam Newton is who he is because
he won a national championship in college. He won a
Heisman Trophy because he won a national championship in college. Right,
and look again, Cam is being authentic to himself. I'm
not accusing of inauthenticity. I just witch this is love
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and hate. I just hate this. I hated the fact
that they're down six points in the Super Bowl to
the Denver Broncos, who have no offense because Peyton Manning
is washed done balls on the field, and he does
not dive on it. He was asked afterwards and he said, man,
I gotta watch out my legs. Then he goes home
to Carolina and he doubles down on it. He's never
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been about team Cam is about Cam Newton, which, by
the way, is so funny because he basically used his
podcast his platform to guilt ESPN into putting them on
TV like, oh, they're racists. They don't like the way
I talk, they don't like the way I dress, I
don't get a shot. No, we don't like it because
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you were selfish, you were never accurate, didn't evolve as
a passor you didn't even understand who you were, super talented,
huge egomaniac. And I just hate that he puts it
out there so that there is going to be a
portion of young, up and coming athletes who emulate that.
That's not how you get paid. That's actually the opposite.
People pay more for winners than they do for stat accumulators.
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And if we want to do what we can do
a podcast, do a study on it. I know it
to be true. That's love and hate.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
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Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's our chance to catch up with a good friend
and a great friend of the program as well. He's
time to LESCo, former general manager of the La Chargers
for eleven years and of course last year the Las
Vegas Raiders, and he joins us here on The Doug
Gottlieb Show. Let's actually start with the Broncos comeback or
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the Giants collapse. And again, I don't know your level
of PTSD. It's different because yours was the playoffs, but
you know, obviously what happened in Jacksonville a couple of
years ago in many ways has to has to I
don't know what it feels like when what's your what's
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it feel like to watch that happen to the Giants?
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Number one, it's it feels awful, especially if you're a
GM or coach or player that's been in that situation before.
Because the Giants is such a great job billing the
lead in the first three quarters, played really well on
both sides of the ball, and the Broncos the last
couple of weeks in the fourth quarter. They've actually had
some issues just with with situational football, and it was
(37:15):
the complete opposite yesterday. I mean, Sean Payton did a
great job with that part of the game plan. He
knew in the fourth quarter we only have so many
possessions left. But obviously anytime there's that big of a comeback,
it really it goes both ways. Broncos have to make
a lot of players on offense and then defensively with
the Giants, there's going to have to be some breakdowns
that are going to happen, and that's what That's what
happened yesterday. To me, the Giants defense that was supposed
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to be one of the strengths of their team and
that just has not played out the way I had anticipated.
The good news if you're a Giants fan is this
is Jackson Dark and camp Scandabo kind of doing this
on their own. They don't have a lot on offense.
The defensive line has really been shaky the last couple
of years. Obviously the league neighbors is out, but when
it came to the fourth quarter, once bo Nicks got going,
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they started using him much more as a runner. He's
a very athletic runner and he's strong and it has
good side, but there also has to be some breakdowns
on defense. That happened too. But there's just no worse feeling,
especially if you're the away team and you can feel
that crowd started to come on, the momentum starts building,
and you get that feeling sometimes, especially where the Giants
have been because they don't have a great record, that
something bad is going to happen to us. And it did.
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It happened in the fourth quarter. Jackson Dart played a
great game through a bad pick. It's going to happen,
but it's just a total breakdown really on the defensive
side of the ball for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Let's go with Jackson Dart real quick now that you've
seen him, and again we know it takes like a year, right.
You got to see how they adjust to you, and
can your quarterback adjust to the to the adjustment and
how they handle the ups, how they handles it down.
But so far, how sustainable do you think his level
of success is considering his talent and aptitude.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
Well, it's certainly sustainable. He just has to learn and
he'll continue to learn how to protect himself because the
style of play is it's aggressive and which you know
as part of being a leader is to put people
on your back and say, look, I'm gonna take this over,
which he does from time to time. But he can
put himself in some tough situations. But look, he can play.
There is no doubt in my mind. The Broncos have
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one of the best defenses in the league. He puts
up thirty two on the Broncos. Eagles have a very
good defense. He puts up thirty four on the Eagles,
and he's doing this without a lot around him yet.
I mean, THEO Johnson is a really good tight end.
He's not a big name. He's a good player for them,
but they don't have a lot of receiver. They has
Scati Boat, which is a great tone setter for them.
As a running back offensive Linetill needs a lot of work.
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So he's doing this without a lot around him. So
I think it's a positive. I think he's a dynamic
player and he's going to get nothing from better moving forward.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
What's your reaction to Indy.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
They're better than I anticipated. You really look at it,
because now we have a really good sample side what
they are. First of all that's Shane Stike and Daniel
Jones were a perfect match for each other. They just
they're both passionate guys about the quarterback position and all
those details and nuances that go into it, and that
has to be a relationship. That's a twenty four to
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seven relationship between usually your coordinator and the quarterback. In
this instance it's the head coach. So it's a great
match with those two. And look at how they play it.
I don't like to compare prior teams where that coach
came from and try, hey, we're going to do the
offense the same way. And I know Shane came from Philly,
but there are a lot of similarities with what he's
doing with the Colts. Jonathan Taylor is he's basically say
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Von Barkley, very similar in style, size, speed, dynamic play,
making a space can catch the ball. They have a
tight end and Tyler Warren and the Eagles have always
had a tight ends that can run a catch. The
Colt's offensive line is excellent, you know, probably not quite
as good as the peak Eagle offensive line, but pretty close.
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They have a very athletic center and Taylor Bordolini was
a really good player. And the offensive line hasn't got
enough credit for what you're doing as far as protecting
the quarterback. They're running the ball well. Pittman and Alex
Pearce can make plays on the outside. So the biggest
thing is Daniel Jones. He's limiting his sacks, he's limiting fumbles,
he's limiting interceptions, and that had been the issue for him,
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especially later with the Giants, but actually going all the
way all the way back to college as far as
making the key big airs, and he's not. He's playing
very efficient football, kind of the way Jalen Hurts does
when he's playing well, he's not turning it over. He
can make plays here or there, and the offense is
doing outstanding.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Tom telasco former general manager of the La Chargers,
who's joining us. Let's go back to Thursday, because we
hadn't we You and I haven't talked on air. We
actually haven't talked off air about it as well. You
know that was a stunnard to me because of how
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much time Joe Flacco had to throw the football right,
Like the Pittsburgh defense didn't stop the run and didn't
really get to Joe Flacco. What's going on with that
with the front seven?
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Hard to say because that's the strength of the Pittsburgh
team and it's been the strength of the team for
god knows how long, and it's supposed to be the
strength as getting to the quarterback. Andy's offensive line has
struggled this year, but we didn't see that Thursday night.
I mean, Joe was basically untouched for most of the game,
played really clean game, high percentage passer, made some big
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plays down the field. I think it helps. Like you
talk about team with weapons, and they've got Jamar Chase
and Key Higgins. Now Easthu Vats from from Princeton who's a,
you know, not a big name player, but but a
really good receiver for them in that third third role.
And Chase Brown was a player that I felt like
he could have a big year as a runner. He's
got outstanding speed and it helped with them getting the
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lead a little bit on for me to have a
chance to run the ball better. But it is a
stunner that Pittsburgh just didn't get to the quarterback the
way they usually do. And that's that's the strength of
their team. That would be the way to shut down
Cincinnati is to get to Joe Flacko because you know
where he's going to be at all time. And it
just didn't play out that way. But it was, uh,
it was fun to watch Joe sit back there and
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really just use the weapons that he has and you know,
not try and do too much. But it was really
you know, it was a fun game to watch.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
And listen, you're not a hyperbolegue guy, but you've you know,
your time with the Chargers, you've seen the best of
the best. You go back to your time with with
the Colts when you guys had Marvin Harrison, so you've
seen Jamar am I crazy saying like, I don't know,
Jamar Chase is he's the best wide receiver going and
I think you have to start having legit conversations about
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the actual top of the heap. Mike, Mike going crazy
about a guy who's performing well but a shortened career
and compared to to it to a Jerry Rice. I
just feel like he's the best player on the field
and everybody knows it, and there's not a ton you
can do about it and if you put three on him, well,
that's how they open it up for T Higgins, for
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a guy who's historically been around this league, what do
you see when you see Jamar.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
Chase, Well, it's the same thing you're seeing. You see
all those traits as a receiver. He has pretty good size.
His athletic ability and quickness and body control and explosiveness
is so high level. And then he add into straight
line speed, which he has as well, so he has
all the physical attributes you need to have. And then
he has that one thing you can't teach, which is
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just the instincts to play the position, the instincts of
the field to get open, and then the instincts and
the balls in the air to be able to adjust
in the timing of it in the finished catches. And
that's a game where we knew where the ball was
going still, even on the half t Higgins to throw to.
Jamar Chase had over twenty targets in the game, so
Pittsburgh knows where the ball's going. They have some pretty
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good coo. But Joey Porter is a is He's a
big corner with long arms, but he follows a lot
and and Jamar Chase is a tough receiver to play
unless you're gonna, you know, brack them every down. But
you really can't do that with the other weapons that
that that the Benkals have. But when you look at
just pure talent level, yeah, he's gonna if he keeps
on this pace, you know, he's gonna be up with
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those top receivers.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, he's he's he's a phenomenal, phenomenal for all player.
Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. My thing on Justin Fields
was how many teams have to tell you he's not
not good enough? Now, he didn't injury his ankle, but
it's like, what, what what's your feeling? You've made highers before, right,
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at what point do you go it's the coach? At
what point do you go, We're not giving the coach
a fairy shot because the quarterback, what's the read seven
games in on a winless season with the Jets.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Well you touched on a little bit there with just
the Fields and then his other stops, and there's enough
talent on this offense that the results should be better
than what they are. They have Garrett Wilson, they have
bres Hall. Mason Taylor was a second round draft pick,
a tight end who's really talented. They've got two number
one takes at full tackle spots. So when Justin Field
comes in, I mean you're paying them twenty million dollars
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a year to come in and be the starter without
a lot of competition from either another free agent or
maybe a draft pick, and basically a prior body of work.
He hasn't been a consistent starter yet in his last
two stops, so he's in his fifth year. He still
needs development. And there's a lot of things I like
about him. He's a dynamic athlete, he has a strong arm,
He's got great leadership skills. But and this is a
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big butt his ability to process in the pocket, make
decisive throws and decisions, anticipate and wins in the pocket.
It has to come to fruition in five years with
two different teams. So if you have a first time
head coach with a defensive background at first time coordinator,
the problem is is, you know, can we develop this better?
Because the Bears steel the coaches couldn't. So you bring
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him in and Tyro Taylor and they signed a more
to be the backup to Justin fields, where I think
they probably had to bring in somebody else to compete
with Justin because you just hadn't shown that body at
work yet. You hired a head coach, you put all
this work into it. You have to get in time.
He does have some resources there already. I think Joe
Douglas left him some pretty good players, but it's been
a quarterback position right now. That's just killing them. And
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they can't move the football and they can't score.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, no, it's it's it's it's bad. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Rader Tom Telesco
is our guest. When Brian Schottenneimer was hired, it was
wild widely panned and they're not great, but man, I Tommy,
I got to give Jerry Jones credit. His whole thing was,
(47:50):
Dak likes this offense, Dak likes Brian Schottenneimer, and Dak's
my best player, and if Dak's happy, we're going to
be pretty good. The defense isn't great, right, it's not
even maybe even good, but they're fun to watch, and
Dak is having an incredible season like this feels like
one where some people need to tell Jerry Jones he
got it right.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Look, historically, they've drafted pretty well there, they've done well
in freegency where they were dabbling freeency. They don't really
go after, you know, big price players, so they're very
patient in that regard. I've always respected how how they've
built their team because it is mostly through the draft.
They both try and you know, draft, develop and re
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sign and you know, like this year this offseason, like
they signed Javonte Williams and running back, not a big,
big money back, but they saw the skills they had
in college, They saw the skills they had with the
Broncos street knee injury. They took a chance on him
and he's having outstanding year. He's running very similar the
way he did North Carolina as far as he gets
a ton of yards after contact, and he had over
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one hundred yards yesterday. Dak Prescott has always been a
very talented, efficient quarterback when he's healthy, and he's completely healthy.
Right now. You got Cde Lamb back, They've got George Pickens.
Jake Ferguson was an excellent draft pick at tight end.
They have a lot of pieces on offense. They have
Cavante Turpin, who's who's a nice just as pure speed
get down the field and even you know stretch people
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even laterally with them and their round So they have
a lot of pieces there and now it's just about
can we get enough stops on defense and that that's
that's been the issue early in the year. They got
enough yesterday against the Commanders, so you hope you can
keep building on that defense moving forward because I think,
and I think most people have said this even from
week one, the Cowboys are going to score. They were
even scoring when C. D. Lamb was out, so they're
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going to move the ball. They're going to score. Great
credit to Brian Schottenheimer with what he's doing with the offense.
Just got to figure a way to get some more stops.
But you know they're at three to three and one
right now and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
How do you explain Trevor Lawrence's career.
Speaker 7 (49:51):
It's just been so inconsistent. There's so much physical talent
there as a passer, as an athlete, as a runner,
it's just been so up and down, and it's been
a lot of it's just been those those key big airs,
that interception at the wrong time, the strip fumble at
the wrong time, but don't forget. And I know nobody
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wants to hear about patience, but it is a new
head coach, it's a new offensive Liam Cohen. Things do
take some time. So they did some good things earlier
in the year, but it's going to take some time
as we moved through this with with the new head coach,
slash coordinator and quarterback. There's talent there. He just got
to keep working together on it. But yeah, it's just
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been I don't want to say disappointing, because that's not
that's not they're quite the right word. But it's just
been so inconsistent because the highs have been really high
and the lows have been really low, and so somehow
trying to even those out.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You famously drafted Justin Herbert. Of course you didn't have that.
You didn't have a choice there where you could draft
draft Tua, who went right before you drafted Justin Herbert.
But when you watch where their careers are going to
obviously massive struggle yesterday against Cleveland, and you know Herbert
didn't have his best day, but he's he's widely regarded
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as at least a top ten quarterback. Now kind of
looking back, what's your reaction to the disparities, And look,
you couldn't plan on to his injuries, but he was
injured a lot in college. Like one of the things
that people missed on him wasn't just a hip Like
he got hurt every year in college and usually got
hurt when he was trying to run away from people
and they caught him. They catch in college, they're going
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to catch you in the pro. But what do you
think now, you know six years later, six seasons later,
where Herbert is the top ten guy and Tua is
gonna be struggling to hold onto his job.
Speaker 7 (51:42):
Yeah, we've talked about this before that in college in
the draft process. Yes, his durability and injury history, that
was a pretty big deal. The hip injury was a
significant injury that you know, we didn't know one hundred
percent that it would come back to one hundred percent.
Now it did, which is great, But had a lot
of other injuries and a lot of us Like you said,
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like he's a by NFL standard, he's probably an average athlete.
And when you're gonna you know, try and escape and move,
I mean the athletes have the speed at this lever
are so much faster, you get caught, you can get hurt,
so and we've seen that now his player right now,
like you're watching yesterday, it's just like a total lack
of confidence. Right now. We've seen him play at a
higher level, and we've seen him play a higher level
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in that offense, but right now, it just seems like
it's just a it's a snowball running downhill and it's
just turning and turning, turning and get big, bigger and bigger.
But with you know what justin what you're looking at
is and he saw this yesterday with a couple of
the plays. He's such a big, fast and physical player
that even when there's pressure on him he has the
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speed to get out of the pocket and go pick
up a chunky yards or he can take his left
armor and just stiff armor deep defensive lineman to the
ground to give us some extra time to make a throw.
And you know, if you're going to play this position
over the long term, and if you're drafting a quarterback,
you're hoping for ten plus years your franchise quarterback, if
you hit on it, you're not going to have a
perfect offensive line every year. You're not gonna have a
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perfect offense every year, so you're gonna have to make
a lot of plays on your own. And then yesterday
watching Tua throw the ball in Cleveland where it's wet
and it's windy too, it just doesn't have that elite
arm strength to pierce the ball through the winds of
coming off Lake Erie. And I think justin in that
situation a little bit bigger arm, just the way, same
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way Jim Kelly had an arm perfectly for playing in Buffalo,
New York. Big strong can throw the ball through the winds.
So to yesterday, it's a tough situation for him. He's
a rhythm passer, he's accurate, arbustrength is kind of average
and it hurts you're playing the element. So but yeah,
there are two different styles of quarterbacks. But I do
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think to if you get back in the right situation,
can be productive in this league right now, just team wise,
it just seems like team wise, it's the confidence that's
just really dying.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
It's a mess. It's a mess. Tell me the best man,
love having me on. Talk to you next week, Thanks
for our guest, and talk to about radio
Speaker 7 (54:01):
Funs great Doug, thank you,
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a great day. What a sports weekend, kids, Wow Wow,
be late. A happy birthday to Sam Kinsley, who's our
resident Cliff Claven On the ones and twos, his Hawk
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Eys escape with a one point victory over Penn State.
Showe hey Atani has arguab maybe inarguably the greatest playoff
performance of all time. College football was insane in so
many different ways. The you goes down also Friday night
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that you went down, you went down at home, and
then you go to yesterday and Colts look like they're
for real. Congratulations to me on drafting Jonathan Taylor. It's
my starting running back in fantasy football. I nailed that one.
I nailed that one, and then we got the New
York Giants and the Denver Broncos so Buyer you know,
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does his Sunday show, and these games are going on,
and to those of us who are like red Zone Nation,
you're like, why do we keep coming back? Why do
we keep coming back to this game? And I remember
the extra point that was missed in the first half
when the Giants were up thirteen nothing, and the announcers
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always that that could come back to get to bite them,
and they missed another one in the fourth quarter. Turns
out it did come back, in fact to bite them.
The Denver Broncos score thirty three points in the fourth quarter,
win the game thirty three thirty two. There's a lot.
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Let's let's get to some of the voices of some
of the key players in this thing. Here's Brian Daboll,
head coached the Giants on what he said to his
team after the loss.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, tough loss. Put her heart stroll into it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So not a lot of talking that needs to be
done when you lose a game like that.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Everybody gave everything they had.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
They should yell Shane direction at the end there Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
No, nothing that we lost the game.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was upsetting.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
We're gonna set with shame in.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
That moment, it was directed, No, we lost the.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Here's Jackson Dart, his starting quarterback, on the loss.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
I think for right now, it's just it's really frustrating, man.
I'm trying to put it all together.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
We had chances to win the game, didn't do it.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
It's frustrating.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I never felt like we were gonna lose the game.
Speaker 8 (03:16):
So, you know, I looked at the clock when they scored, said, Dame,
we got a lot.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Of time left.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
I had.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I had no doubt that we were gonna go down
there and score.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Here's Bo Nicks, the victorious quarterback on the fourth quarter.
They put up thirty three in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We just saved all our good ones for the fourth
quarter and you know, they've just they worked.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
We just kept running them and you know, we found
some momentum and our defense found some stops, got a
huge turnover, and all of a sudden, we just got
some life back that we could win the game. And
so we you know, kept playing until we won the game.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Crazy stuff. You know, I think one of the things
that I can use my other job to relate in sports.
And you know, we played Oakland University our last game
of the regular season, Greig Campus, the coach. Everybody remembers
Oakland because they just beat Kentucky the year before, and
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we're up fourteen with like five and a half minutes
to go, lost the game in overtime and had time
chance to win it. We were similarly up fourteen against
Youngstown State, which was actually better than Oakland, and lost it.
I think the thing, there's a bunch of things one
young teams. It's hard to teach him how to win,
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you know, they sometimes you have to what do we
always say, feel the pain before you taste the champagne.
And learning how to win is a hard, hard skill
to teach. And closing out games is not something that
all people, especially when you're at a new high level,
know how to do. And Jackson Dart is a little
bit reckless, so the fact that he did throw a
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big interception shouldn't be a huge surprise. But what I found,
and I think the Giants already showed this with how
well they played, especially defensively and a little bit offensively
in the first half, there is carry over game to game.
You know, they look like a confident, confident bunch in
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the first half against the Denver Broncos and I think
that's carrying over the confidence from playing the Philadelphia Eagles.
Now think about where they are today, and my guess is, well,
it doesn't mean it will last the whole game. In
their next game, it's going to be about half of
a game where they lack confidence because no matter how
big the lead they could get, it's surmountable because it
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was just surmounted yesterday Byer. When you're hosting the show
with Kerrie and it's Sunday afternoon and you have the
screens up, at what point in time did you go, hey,
we might have something going on here in Denver.
Speaker 9 (05:56):
Well, we had something going on when it was thirteen
nothing and Denver couldn't do anything with the football. Then
when it was nineteen nothing at the end of the
third quarter, you're like, okay, probably over with but but
we'll keep our eye on it. So Denver scores. They
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score early the fourth quarter, and then the Broncos are
excuse me, the Giants are on offense and there's a
play where the ball goes through Wandale Robinson's hands and
then ends up in the hands of Theo Johnson. Two
Broncos defenders collide and Johnson goes into the end zone
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and it's twenty six to eight, and you say to yourself,
there it is. That's how you know it's the Giants day.
So at that point, when it's twenty six to eight,
with like ten minutes left in the game, you're saying
to yourself, all right, well this is this is probably
probably over. And then all of a sudden, Denver comes down,
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even though they score dug even though they score in
their next possession. I mean there's a point where right
before they scored their touchdown, there was five point fifteen
left to go in the game and it's twenty six
to eight in favor of the Giants. So then Denver
scores on that next play, and then you're like twenty
six to sixteen, but still Denver really hadn't done tons
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on offense except for those previous two drives. Then Dart
throws the bad interception. By the way, you're hearing a
lot of praise on Jackson Dart's numbers today. Jackson Dart
through the bad interception. He missed two opportunities on wide
open plays where it open yes one of the game
ended the game. And then the only reason that he
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got to score on the one yard run, which by
the way, would have been better if he was probably
down at the inch yard line. They could have worked
the clock and then had three chances to get it
in from a half yard out. I know it's not
a guarantee. I know you say you got to score
in that situation, but they had a timeout, they had
a lot of control down four, but the only reason
that they got down there was because of an awful
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pass interference call. He did make a great play on
fourth and nineteen, but that was even aided by an
awful roughing the passer call. And I was sitting next
to Carry Roads through all this, and then they showed
one of the Giants defensive players on the oxygen and
Carrie's like, that's a real thing. Sure, So the Giants
defense didn't have anything left, so that allowed then Denver
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to have all the success that they had, And even
with that, it was shocking on how it turned out.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Well, it's funny you point out the altitude because the
one time we played in Colorado when I was at
Oklahoma State, we'd lost. We had a twenty point lead
a half, and you know, between the officiating and the
and the altitude, it got to us. I agree with Carrie.
That is an absolute real thing. And I'd be interested
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to know when Brian Dable when they arrived in Denver,
because they tell you arrive as late as possible because
if you're not used to it, your blood doesn't have
enough oxygenation, and the longer you're there you don't actually adjust,
it gets worse than you get oxygen poisoning. So it
had all the check marks of a team that's gonna
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lose a gigantic and seemingly insurmountable lead.
Speaker 8 (09:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
You have a young quarterback who also is aggressive to
maybe the point of being reckless. You have altitude, you
have a coach who's won a Super Bowl before and
is like a professorio been doing it forever. All these
situations done in Burneu. And then you have one team
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that won that was in the playoffs last year, another
team that lost that had the big lead, that had
a terrible year last year. So there's a little bit
of a a you know, culture of winning and culture
of losing. One has been established as a culture of
winning was the Denver Broncos. It was a perfect storm,
perfect storm. And then you have the two missed extra
point which which also obviously ate it and helped generate it,
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and and you know left left the door open. So
there's a bunch of different parts to it. In all
the things we had this weekend, you know, between Miami
going down, Vanderbilt getting a gigantic win, you know, you
go throughout the NFL, and and and and green Bay surviving.
Remember Green Bay was stuck on the tarmac in in
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Green Bay for like five hours the night before the game,
day before the game. There's all kinds of craziness that
took place between Friday Saturday. I didn't show Hayes unbelievable
night right baseball, which we have a game seven tonight
between the Blue Jays. All of those things, and whether
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it's the train wreck that was the Giants with the
lead giving it up, or the comeback for the Denver Broncos,
whatever side you're on, that's all anybody can think about.
That's all anybody can remember. And this is like Christian
McCaffrey had a great night last night. Nobody cares. It's
because thirty three points in the fourth quarter, Jackson darts
aggressiveness and the reward for having young players, but then
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the misses in the fourth quarter all of that makes
hit the story of the weekend.
Speaker 9 (11:14):
I could give you a little insight as well, because
you have a game going on in Glendale, Arizona, where
the Cardinals make a questionable call on a fourth down
play with six minutes to go, give the ball back
to Green Bay. Matt Lafleur says, we're going to kick
a field goal. Now we'll go nonstead, We're going to
go for it on fourth down, down three with a
couple of minutes left.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
In the game.
Speaker 9 (11:34):
They score, then Jacoby resets bringing his team down the field.
All of that overshadowed by the craziness of the Broncos game.
And it's funny because you hear the cuts and you
hear people asking the two missed extra points are absolute killers.
They change everything. But to sit there and absolve everybody
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else of any wrongdoing, one one person just had to
make one more play, sure, And that's yeah, yeah, it's
the Giants were about to be in the playoff picture, yeah,
right at three and four that you would have they
would have been on the graphic on Fox, would have
been all the way to the right, that would have
been in the hunt. But they would have been in
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the hunt. Seven weeks into the season, which would have
been absurd.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
We got we had so many things to get to,
but I just it's so unique that you and Carrie
were watching this happen and Uh, I'm sitting there going
like why they keep coming back to this game on
red Zone? This game's over over, tair it off, don't
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put it on. It's like, watch the Jets can't do it.
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you have a Major League Baseball winner, go home win
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the Mariners win, Game one and two is at Chavez
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be the home team, will have home field advantage. Game
one and Game two will be in Toronto, Canada. So
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maybe maybe that'll be part of the love and the
hate of Jay Stewart. Not sure. And then we have
a double header with Monday Night Football tonight, which the
double header tonight is the uh they're what's it called,
Dan where they're they're back to back.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
They don't overlap, right, I'd say a true double header.
Speaker 9 (14:19):
Yes, the other one is, yes.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Staggered start. That's what I was looking for. Thank you,
I appreciate. So you got Bucks and Lions, which really
is that's the good game. But then Dan's got to
stay up late. But he's on the West Coast. It's
not really that late. Texans and Seahawks. That's a lot
of TV watching. But the Seahawks at four and two.
We get to see Sam Darnold in the standalone game
late against the Texans, who are kind of meandering through
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this third year with their quarterback and and their head coach,
and the upstart Buccaneers against the Lions. Lions playing at home,
they are a sizeable favorite. So we'll give you our picks.
We'll talk about the games Game seven as well upcoming
forget to any that. We do. Want to offer this
chance to look back at the weekend. What we love,
what we hate? Got Jason Stewart, you got Iowa, Sam,
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you got Dan Byron, myself, Doug Gottlieb. We call it
love it hate.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
What did you love?
Speaker 7 (15:10):
God?
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I love you?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Meetley's player haters? Mmmmmm ah love love love love love
hate hate hate hate hate hate. There's so much of both.
Mmmm they I'm starting boys. I loved the college football weekend.
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It started on Friday where two things happened that I
just love. One. Miami lost. Now I don't have anything
against the current Miami players or coaching staff. I don't don't,
but I generally I just Miami to me, always with
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a dirty program. Now it's like legal for them to
be it's not a dirty program anymore. But there's always
been this kind of level of arrogance that hasn't been
earned because they haven't won anything in I don't know,
twenty years, right, And I get it, Like that's kind
of college football in a nutshell, you have to live
on your past. But just the arrogance of Miami and
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getting popped at home by Scott Sadderfield and Louisville assumeing
and coach Brohm and Louisville, right, what is that? All
he does is beat top five, top three teams. Yeah,
he's awesome. Louisville ends up getting to win in an
exciting football game. But then the same night and again,
I like Matt Rule, but it's like I had a
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buddy text me and Aaron, I'll give you a shout out,
my man. Aaron texted me, He's like, so everybody at
Penn State wants to hire Matt Rule, and they fired
a guy who'd been there for a while because he
hadn't won the big game. He's like, well, when was
Matt Ruhle won the big Game? And I was like, well,
and then he said, isn't this kind of like an audition?
Speaker 6 (17:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
They go up to Minnesota and they get popped. There's
a lot of other things I like about college football,
but like, we make all these assumptions like Miami's gonna
beat Louisville and it's a home game, and then you
see their fans melt down and beat the crap out
of each other in the stands. I just I'm not
a big Miami Hurricane football fan guy. And then the
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Nebraska thing, where all they want to do is hang
on to Matt Rule because Matt Rule's rebuilding the program,
and Penn State might want to hire Matt Rule because
the Penn State guy, but they fired a guy because
he wouldn't win the big game. And then Matt Roule
hasn't won the big game. I don't know. I love
the hypocrisy of colleg football.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
A couple of things to that. Somebody on this show,
I forget, said that Tommy Fraser's not going to walk
through the door on Friday. Do you guys remember.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That that was our j suit team parlay.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Tommy Fraser's not walking through the door. Take the points
with Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Larry Burk's not walking through that door. And then you
should when you say Tommy Frasier, you should say Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
Larry Burk's not walking through that door. Walk at the door,
not walking through that door.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
And did you guys Carson.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yes, when he threw his wide receiver on the bus.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We had a education with the with the route and
what we were doing. So ran the route wrong and
I went to go throw it because we're hot off
of the pressure. And again he made a good play
on it. So but it definitely didn't help that we
ran the wrong play.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
What did you guys think? Because that was like on
Twitter anyways, which is where I live, this was kind
of universally hated, like the blue check marks hated this. Well,
what was it about this? It was so inflammatory.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Because he at first he says miscommunication, which we're good with, right,
that means somebody, It means somebody ran the wrong route.
It would have been. But then when he said the
wide receiver ran the wrong route. Now he's like, I
did what I was supposed to do. He didn't. That's
that leadership.
Speaker 9 (19:08):
I like when he doubled down and then hit on
that and then went all in with his double down
again on the wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Hey, I I just want to mention that he ran
the wrong route. Just he made a good play. It
didn't help we ran the wrong route, did I mention
that he ran the wrong route.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
I love it.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
What did uh? What did you want? Manning side? If
it's if it's your fault, it's the team's fault. What's
what's the what's the what's the phrase? If you win,
it's the team. If you lose, it's it's your fault.
That was like the opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
I guess, yeah, yeah, that actually wasn't Can I get
one another? One more love? I'm sorry? I well, you know,
let's go through because somebody else might have it, and
I'll circle back to it.
Speaker 9 (19:53):
Dan Buyer Goo, Yeah, because when Doug took the entire
college football weekend, it took like I just I ended up.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
I did. I'll take Friday. I'll take Friday. Go, you
get the rest go. I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (20:06):
So Ohio State didn't have much trouble with Wisconsin, But
at the same time, ole Miss and Georgia were playing.
And one of the things that I do like to
do is if there is a conflicting game that I'm
interested in, I will record it. And even though you
know the outcome, it's still exciting. And ole Miss in
Georgia was just as exciting knowing the outcome of the game,
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just to talk about the atmosphere that is Adage. Georgia
to me is one of my top three favorite college
football environments. I like the late afternoon start, still light out,
everything about it, and ole Miss had opportunities. Georgia just
made more plays and it was a great college football game.
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A lot of offense, but when Ole Miss needed to
make the plays, they couldn't, and when Georgia needed to
make the plays they did. Just a great college football
game between old in Georgia.
Speaker 10 (21:01):
This past weekend, sam Well, I had a great birthday weekend,
So it's gonna be hard for me to come up
with a true hate. But in my love, you know,
the whole you know, Friday night was amazing with the
Dodgers clinching you know, the the National League Pennant, but
the real great sports weekend overall. But the cherry on
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top was Iowa was crazy twenty five twenty four win
over Penn State.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I did not know.
Speaker 10 (21:28):
I did not pick this game for the Gambler because
I had no idea what to make of it. Not
that I know what I'm doing anyway when it comes
to betting analysis, but I really did not know what
to expect they were going to be starting a new quarterback.
Terry Smith, the interim coach, has taken over, and he
said right before the game, he's like, we're gonna shock
the world tonight. You just watched they almost did, and
Iowa kind of helped them towards that end.
Speaker 9 (21:49):
By the world watching on Peacock.
Speaker 10 (21:51):
Yeah, the world, well the world of me watching on Peacock.
Great great production they do over at Peacock. But it
was a incredibly stressful game. Iowa kind of was helping
Penn State get to upsetting the Hawkeyes with uh they
were going to do a sixty six yard field goal attempt,
which would have been the record for the longest field
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attempt field goal made of all time. It was blocked
in return for a touchdown, and Iowa was down fourteen
to ten at half. Then they were down twenty one
to ten, and then Mark Gronowski, i was quarterback, put
him on his shoulders and they ended up winning. But
that was like one of the most stressful, exhausting games
I've I've ever watchached.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
How many people do you think, in like in Russia,
in India and just around the world open their phones
and saw the score that Iowa won and they're like, yep,
I knew it right, Like I knew it. I knew
it it was it was going to happen.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
If it's just an audience of one and that one
person happened to be in the world. Well, that game
doesn't even show up in the top twenty five because
no one's ranked. I know, you have to sort big
ten score Dan pooh poohing on my nom poo pooing
on the shock the world. Well, I think that he
There was so much talk from who's the former, she's
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with Peacock now Robinson, Michael Robinson. Michael Robinson was kind
of He did a lot of explaining where Penn State's
mind was at. I think a lot of people that
have followed that program, we're gonna be yeah, how do
they respond with no James Franklin and no Drew Aller
And yes, for the people that cared, it was a
pretty exhilarating lazy game.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
And like James Franklin did the previous three weeks, they
lost a close game.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yes, I know, Okay, I as a casual college football fan,
could you guys, one of you three tell me where
I'm missing out here? Because the shock the world. Thing
is surprising to me. Shocking the world is when UCLA
is a twenty six point dog and they went outright.
The Hawkeys are a three point favorite at home? Is it?
Don't you get three points for being at home?
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Where's the shock the world here? This was a coin flip.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It there's not, there's not, there's at Let's let's get
to yours there, Jason.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But could I just add one more thing now? He
said that?
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Excuse me when he said that, Uh, it was it
just put a little chill don my because they played
so hard.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Penn State played song they did.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
They did play, They did player, they did not quit,
saw each other.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
It was a tough game. They really got all everything
thrown at Iowa. So carry on.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Game four of the NLCS, I know people were torn.
People were like, man, I'd like to see the series
extended so we could watch more baseball. I think most
people shared my paranoia as a Dodger fan. Win tonight.
Don't give them any breathing room. We all remember Kyle
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Schwarber's home run in the previous series that gave the
Phillies life. I did not want to repeat that in
Game four against Dan's Brewers. I hate that Dan had
to be the the uh, the receiver, the victim of
this sweep, but it needed to be. We needed to
put the Brewers in the rearview mirror and focus on
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the next team, and boy did we do it in
spectacular fashion. A lot of people have overstated or tried
to overstate what Shoheo Tani did, but just in layman's terms,
if you're a casual baseball fan, you had a pitcher
in Ah, I guess the what do you call those games?
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A finishing game, series, finishing.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Game, closeout game, clinching hit, throw.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Home runs after doing dog crap for the first couple
series of the postseason, three home runs, one of them
cleared the wall in the pavilion, which I've never seen
done in right field anyways. And then he was throwing
one hundred miles an hour and hired all five of
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his pitches working, And to the layman, I don't know
if you understand that big league pitchers typically have two
really good pitches and then they'll throw in the third
or fourth pitch as just kind of a compliment. He
pitches effectively with five pitches. He throws one hundred miles
an hour. He struck out ten batters and six innings
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while hitting three home runs through six innings of baseball.
His box score was three home runs and six innings
of pitched ball with ten strikeouts, no earned runs given up,
the greatest box score in the history of baseball. Sho
Helo Tani on Friday Night. I've heard other people attempt
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to give things that are comparable. I've heard some real ramches.
In other words, if you bring something to the table
that I've never heard of in fifty years, that kind
of answers the question, like if you're like, yeah, babe,
Ruth he came in and closed out a game once,
and okay, did he hit three home runs in that
same game? I love so anyways, sho Halo Tani Friday Night,
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one of the greatest experiences of ever had on my couch. Pause.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's an old timer. I'm gonna throw in one more
love because we did text about this one. I don't.
I just look, I'm not. I've never been a Russell
Wilson guy, just because I know guys in the NFL
that always thought he was a phony. But since the
talent has seemingly like evaporated, I just I didn't buy
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in last year. I didn't buy it in Denver. I
didn't buy in this year. But man, you want to
talk about some shade. Denver scores thirty three in the
fourth quarter, comes from behind to beat the Giants, right,
And so they asked Sean Payton about the Giants where
he used to beat out fensive coordinator and about Jackson Dart.
Take a listen to this shade he throws at Russell
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Wilson at the end.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I have a ton of respect for that organization. I
spent four of my early years there coordinating Super Bowl
first time, first game in this stadium before nine to
eleven close with the marrit Tish family. You know, they
found a little spark with that quarterback. I was talking
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to John Mayor not too long ago, and I said,
we were hoping that that change would have happened long
long after our game.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Damn, we wanted to face Russell Wilson because he's thinks.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
He's thinks Wow, so much shade.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Oh so much. They hate each other so much. All right,
let's get to hate. Uh, that's what we love. Let's
get to what we hate. In the weekend, our resident
hater is none of the Jason Stewart, how about it.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
I think there's like this, there's this perception that the
Chargers are all beat up and their offensive line are
down to their third stringers, and we've kind of lost
hope for or probably the postseason this year. I would
take it a step further, like just watching the game
yesterday and that was a real hate watch for me.
(29:08):
I could say that we should probably not play Justin Herbert.
This is my thinking. He's gonna get killed on a
football field. I don't know how many pressures you could take.
I don't know how many times you could get hit
without that one hit that really injures you. I know
(29:31):
that Herbert. I think he gets credit for being the
guy that could take a hit, but not you know,
no one's completely unsusceptible to that one breaker. It's getting dangerous.
I bring in our backup for the time being. It
was a backup that was taken I think second overall
(29:51):
in the in the draft at one point. Maybe it
would be kind of fun to throw him out there
and see how he could do until we get our
guys back. It's really scary watching Justin Herbert take snaps
with that offensive line.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Damn Yeah, just off the heels of that, and maybe
we dive into it at some point later this week,
something interesting happened. I don't know if it's because Jason
and I went to that Bills game a couple of
weeks ago, but I feel like I'm a little more
in tune and hearing more of this Bills chatter. And
after the Bills lost this past weekend of the Falcons,
I read a tweet someone was complaining saying, like the
(30:30):
window like the it is time to start complaining about
not taking care of your star quarterback. And the Chargers,
understandably so have injuries. I almost feel like they've done
a better job of taking care of their quarterback than
Buffalo has had. But at what point do you start
looking at failures of not supporting your quarterback And it's
(30:50):
happening in Buffalo, and just wonder when that time comes
for the Chargers, because I think I still think there's
a different conversation about the Chargers with Justin Herbert and
what they have around him, and those injuries cloud that up. Anyway,
mind stays in the NFL will make it quick. The
Cardinals decided to go for it on fourth down up
(31:10):
twenty three to twenty on the Packers yesterday was six
minutes to go and they run a Jacoby Brissette sneak
up the middle at their own forty eight yard line.
Don't get it. It allows green Bay to have a
game winning drive. Now, the Packers made plays on their
drive a fourth and two that they converted, didn't settle
for a field goal. But if Jonathan Gannon is going
(31:31):
to slap Amari de Marcado because of his bad decision
on the touchdown, then maybe Jonathan Gannon should have something
happened to him because he, yes, he made an awful
decision to go for it up three yesterday against Green
Bay and likely cost his Cardinals the game.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Sam okay, I think Sam maybe worth in here.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I'm here.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
I'm here so again, like I said, my love portion
not a lot to complain about on your birthday weekend.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
A lot of love, I will say, though.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
Florida firing Billy Napier after they win a game and
it wasn't like they climbed back to beat Mississippi State.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Who's you know right now? A cellar dweller in the SEC.
Speaker 10 (32:15):
They had a twenty to seven lead and they held
on to win like twenty three to twenty one, but
firing a coach after a win. And I know they've
been struggling, but firing coach after a win. And so
it's like all these midweek, mid year firings for these
coaches are sort of like raising my blood pressure. And
then I saw that Napier was fired after a win.
I was just like, why this is why?
Speaker 9 (32:36):
You know, we did a game time of college programs
that we, you know, kind of like to see do better. Yeah,
Florida will never be on that list. Like I I'm
glad that Florida is mid to mediocre to maybe bad.
Like I don't. I don't need to see Florida good.
We had too much Florida at one time with football
and basketball. I don't ever need to see the Gators
(32:58):
good again at anything.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
All Right, I got something I hate. Uh. I heard
Cam Newton say this. Oh I'm sorry about this. So
Cam Newton on a podcast was asked if he would
rather have team success or personal success. Okay, take a
(33:29):
listen to his answer.
Speaker 11 (33:30):
Would you rather being a spot where you can individually achieve,
have success, have statistics and lose or would you want
to be someone that contributes to a team that can
win a.
Speaker 12 (33:41):
Super Bowl, And I'm glad you asked that. When you're
talking about individual play, this is how I this is
how I take care of my family. Team success don't
take care.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Of my family.
Speaker 12 (33:53):
So if I'm thinking about it from a personal standpoint,
of course, we want the best.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Of both worlds.
Speaker 8 (33:58):
But if you're asking me, what gives you extensions, what
gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,
there are some more players that have rings, championships and
things that.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
Are struggling rather than soo quote unquote bus that has
had money and they're doing right by their money.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, feel free to point out to who those people are.
By the way, Cam Newton is who he is because
he won a national championship in college. He won a
Heisman Trophy because he won a national championship in college. Right,
and look again, Cam is being authentic to himself. I'm
not accusing of inauthenticity. I just witch this is love
(34:39):
and hate. I just hate this. I hated the fact
that they're down six points in the Super Bowl to
the Denver Broncos, who have no offense because Peyton Manning
is washed done balls on the field, and he does
not dive on it. He was asked afterwards and he said, man,
I gotta watch out my legs. Then he goes home
to Carolina and he doubles down on it. He's never
(35:01):
been about team Cam is about Cam Newton, which, by
the way, is so funny because he basically used his
podcast his platform to guilt ESPN into putting them on
TV like, oh, they're racists. They don't like the way
I talk, they don't like the way I dress, I
don't get a shot. No, we don't like it because
(35:23):
you were selfish, you were never accurate, didn't evolve as
a passor you didn't even understand who you were, super talented,
huge egomaniac. And I just hate that he puts it
out there so that there is going to be a
portion of young, up and coming athletes who emulate that.
That's not how you get paid. That's actually the opposite.
People pay more for winners than they do for stat accumulators.
(35:47):
And if we want to do what we can do
a podcast, do a study on it. I know it
to be true. That's love and hate.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
It's our chance to catch up with a good friend
and a great friend of the program as well. He's
time to LESCo, former general manager of the La Chargers
for eleven years and of course last year the Las
Vegas Raiders, and he joins us here on The Doug
Gottlieb Show. Let's actually start with the Broncos comeback or
(36:28):
the Giants collapse. And again, I don't know your level
of PTSD. It's different because yours was the playoffs, but
you know, obviously what happened in Jacksonville a couple of
years ago in many ways has to has to I
don't know what it feels like when what's your what's
(36:49):
it feel like to watch that happen to the Giants?
Speaker 7 (36:54):
Number one, it's it feels awful, especially if you're a
GM or coach or player that's been in that situation before.
Because the Giants is such a great job billing the
lead in the first three quarters, played really well on
both sides of the ball, and the Broncos the last
couple of weeks in the fourth quarter. They've actually had
some issues just with with situational football, and it was
(37:15):
the complete opposite yesterday. I mean, Sean Payton did a
great job with that part of the game plan. He
knew in the fourth quarter we only have so many
possessions left. But obviously anytime there's that big of a comeback,
it really it goes both ways. Broncos have to make
a lot of players on offense and then defensively with
the Giants, there's going to have to be some breakdowns
that are going to happen, and that's what That's what
happened yesterday. To me, the Giants defense that was supposed
(37:39):
to be one of the strengths of their team and
that just has not played out the way I had anticipated.
The good news if you're a Giants fan is this
is Jackson Dark and camp Scandabo kind of doing this
on their own. They don't have a lot on offense.
The defensive line has really been shaky the last couple
of years. Obviously the league neighbors is out, but when
it came to the fourth quarter, once bo Nicks got going,
(38:02):
they started using him much more as a runner. He's
a very athletic runner and he's strong and it has
good side, but there also has to be some breakdowns
on defense. That happened too. But there's just no worse feeling,
especially if you're the away team and you can feel
that crowd started to come on, the momentum starts building,
and you get that feeling sometimes, especially where the Giants
have been because they don't have a great record, that
something bad is going to happen to us. And it did.
(38:24):
It happened in the fourth quarter. Jackson Dart played a
great game through a bad pick. It's going to happen,
but it's just a total breakdown really on the defensive
side of the ball for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Let's go with Jackson Dart real quick now that you've
seen him, and again we know it takes like a year, right.
You got to see how they adjust to you, and
can your quarterback adjust to the to the adjustment and
how they handle the ups, how they handles it down.
But so far, how sustainable do you think his level
of success is considering his talent and aptitude.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
Well, it's certainly sustainable. He just has to learn and
he'll continue to learn how to protect himself because the
style of play is it's aggressive and which you know
as part of being a leader is to put people
on your back and say, look, I'm gonna take this over,
which he does from time to time. But he can
put himself in some tough situations. But look, he can play.
There is no doubt in my mind. The Broncos have
(39:22):
one of the best defenses in the league. He puts
up thirty two on the Broncos. Eagles have a very
good defense. He puts up thirty four on the Eagles,
and he's doing this without a lot around him yet.
I mean, THEO Johnson is a really good tight end.
He's not a big name. He's a good player for them,
but they don't have a lot of receiver. They has
Scati Boat, which is a great tone setter for them.
As a running back offensive Linetill needs a lot of work.
(39:43):
So he's doing this without a lot around him. So
I think it's a positive. I think he's a dynamic
player and he's going to get nothing from better moving forward.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
What's your reaction to Indy.
Speaker 7 (39:57):
They're better than I anticipated. You really look at it,
because now we have a really good sample side what
they are. First of all that's Shane Stike and Daniel
Jones were a perfect match for each other. They just
they're both passionate guys about the quarterback position and all
those details and nuances that go into it, and that
has to be a relationship. That's a twenty four to
(40:18):
seven relationship between usually your coordinator and the quarterback. In
this instance it's the head coach. So it's a great
match with those two. And look at how they play it.
I don't like to compare prior teams where that coach
came from and try, hey, we're going to do the
offense the same way. And I know Shane came from Philly,
but there are a lot of similarities with what he's
doing with the Colts. Jonathan Taylor is he's basically say
(40:42):
Von Barkley, very similar in style, size, speed, dynamic play,
making a space can catch the ball. They have a
tight end and Tyler Warren and the Eagles have always
had a tight ends that can run a catch. The
Colt's offensive line is excellent, you know, probably not quite
as good as the peak Eagle offensive line, but pretty close.
(41:02):
They have a very athletic center and Taylor Bordolini was
a really good player. And the offensive line hasn't got
enough credit for what you're doing as far as protecting
the quarterback. They're running the ball well. Pittman and Alex
Pearce can make plays on the outside. So the biggest
thing is Daniel Jones. He's limiting his sacks, he's limiting fumbles,
he's limiting interceptions, and that had been the issue for him,
(41:23):
especially later with the Giants, but actually going all the
way all the way back to college as far as
making the key big airs, and he's not. He's playing
very efficient football, kind of the way Jalen Hurts does
when he's playing well, he's not turning it over. He
can make plays here or there, and the offense is
doing outstanding.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Tom telasco former general manager of the La Chargers,
who's joining us. Let's go back to Thursday, because we
hadn't we You and I haven't talked on air. We
actually haven't talked off air about it as well. You
know that was a stunnard to me because of how
(42:00):
much time Joe Flacco had to throw the football right,
Like the Pittsburgh defense didn't stop the run and didn't
really get to Joe Flacco. What's going on with that
with the front seven?
Speaker 7 (42:15):
Hard to say because that's the strength of the Pittsburgh
team and it's been the strength of the team for
god knows how long, and it's supposed to be the
strength as getting to the quarterback. Andy's offensive line has
struggled this year, but we didn't see that Thursday night.
I mean, Joe was basically untouched for most of the game,
played really clean game, high percentage passer, made some big
(42:37):
plays down the field. I think it helps. Like you
talk about team with weapons, and they've got Jamar Chase
and Key Higgins. Now Easthu Vats from from Princeton who's a,
you know, not a big name player, but but a
really good receiver for them in that third third role.
And Chase Brown was a player that I felt like
he could have a big year as a runner. He's
got outstanding speed and it helped with them getting the
(42:58):
lead a little bit on for me to have a
chance to run the ball better. But it is a
stunner that Pittsburgh just didn't get to the quarterback the
way they usually do. And that's that's the strength of
their team. That would be the way to shut down
Cincinnati is to get to Joe Flacko because you know
where he's going to be at all time. And it
just didn't play out that way. But it was, uh,
it was fun to watch Joe sit back there and
(43:20):
really just use the weapons that he has and you know,
not try and do too much. But it was really
you know, it was a fun game to watch.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
And listen, you're not a hyperbolegue guy, but you've you know,
your time with the Chargers, you've seen the best of
the best. You go back to your time with with
the Colts when you guys had Marvin Harrison, so you've
seen Jamar am I crazy saying like, I don't know,
Jamar Chase is he's the best wide receiver going and
I think you have to start having legit conversations about
(43:49):
the actual top of the heap. Mike, Mike going crazy
about a guy who's performing well but a shortened career
and compared to to it to a Jerry Rice. I
just feel like he's the best player on the field
and everybody knows it, and there's not a ton you
can do about it and if you put three on him, well,
that's how they open it up for T Higgins, for
(44:12):
a guy who's historically been around this league, what do
you see when you see Jamar.
Speaker 7 (44:16):
Chase, Well, it's the same thing you're seeing. You see
all those traits as a receiver. He has pretty good size.
His athletic ability and quickness and body control and explosiveness
is so high level. And then he add into straight
line speed, which he has as well, so he has
all the physical attributes you need to have. And then
he has that one thing you can't teach, which is
(44:36):
just the instincts to play the position, the instincts of
the field to get open, and then the instincts and
the balls in the air to be able to adjust
in the timing of it in the finished catches. And
that's a game where we knew where the ball was
going still, even on the half t Higgins to throw to.
Jamar Chase had over twenty targets in the game, so
Pittsburgh knows where the ball's going. They have some pretty
(44:59):
good coo. But Joey Porter is a is He's a
big corner with long arms, but he follows a lot
and and Jamar Chase is a tough receiver to play
unless you're gonna, you know, brack them every down. But
you really can't do that with the other weapons that
that that the Benkals have. But when you look at
just pure talent level, yeah, he's gonna if he keeps
on this pace, you know, he's gonna be up with
(45:20):
those top receivers.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, he's he's he's a phenomenal, phenomenal for all player.
Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio. My thing on Justin Fields
was how many teams have to tell you he's not
not good enough? Now, he didn't injury his ankle, but
it's like, what, what what's your feeling? You've made highers before, right,
(45:44):
at what point do you go it's the coach? At
what point do you go, We're not giving the coach
a fairy shot because the quarterback, what's the read seven
games in on a winless season with the Jets.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Well you touched on a little bit there with just
the Fields and then his other stops, and there's enough
talent on this offense that the results should be better
than what they are. They have Garrett Wilson, they have
bres Hall. Mason Taylor was a second round draft pick,
a tight end who's really talented. They've got two number
one takes at full tackle spots. So when Justin Field
comes in, I mean you're paying them twenty million dollars
(46:18):
a year to come in and be the starter without
a lot of competition from either another free agent or
maybe a draft pick, and basically a prior body of work.
He hasn't been a consistent starter yet in his last
two stops, so he's in his fifth year. He still
needs development. And there's a lot of things I like
about him. He's a dynamic athlete, he has a strong arm,
He's got great leadership skills. But and this is a
(46:40):
big butt his ability to process in the pocket, make
decisive throws and decisions, anticipate and wins in the pocket.
It has to come to fruition in five years with
two different teams. So if you have a first time
head coach with a defensive background at first time coordinator,
the problem is is, you know, can we develop this better?
Because the Bears steel the coaches couldn't. So you bring
(47:02):
him in and Tyro Taylor and they signed a more
to be the backup to Justin fields, where I think
they probably had to bring in somebody else to compete
with Justin because you just hadn't shown that body at
work yet. You hired a head coach, you put all
this work into it. You have to get in time.
He does have some resources there already. I think Joe
Douglas left him some pretty good players, but it's been
a quarterback position right now. That's just killing them. And
(47:24):
they can't move the football and they can't score.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, no, it's it's it's it's bad. This is the
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Rader Tom Telesco
is our guest. When Brian Schottenneimer was hired, it was
wild widely panned and they're not great, but man, I Tommy,
I got to give Jerry Jones credit. His whole thing was,
(47:50):
Dak likes this offense, Dak likes Brian Schottenneimer, and Dak's
my best player, and if Dak's happy, we're going to
be pretty good. The defense isn't great, right, it's not
even maybe even good, but they're fun to watch, and
Dak is having an incredible season like this feels like
one where some people need to tell Jerry Jones he
got it right.
Speaker 7 (48:12):
Look, historically, they've drafted pretty well there, they've done well
in freegency where they were dabbling freeency. They don't really
go after, you know, big price players, so they're very
patient in that regard. I've always respected how how they've
built their team because it is mostly through the draft.
They both try and you know, draft, develop and re
(48:33):
sign and you know, like this year this offseason, like
they signed Javonte Williams and running back, not a big,
big money back, but they saw the skills they had
in college, They saw the skills they had with the
Broncos street knee injury. They took a chance on him
and he's having outstanding year. He's running very similar the
way he did North Carolina as far as he gets
a ton of yards after contact, and he had over
(48:53):
one hundred yards yesterday. Dak Prescott has always been a
very talented, efficient quarterback when he's healthy, and he's completely healthy.
Right now. You got Cde Lamb back, They've got George Pickens.
Jake Ferguson was an excellent draft pick at tight end.
They have a lot of pieces on offense. They have
Cavante Turpin, who's who's a nice just as pure speed
get down the field and even you know stretch people
(49:15):
even laterally with them and their round So they have
a lot of pieces there and now it's just about
can we get enough stops on defense and that that's
that's been the issue early in the year. They got
enough yesterday against the Commanders, so you hope you can
keep building on that defense moving forward because I think,
and I think most people have said this even from
week one, the Cowboys are going to score. They were
even scoring when C. D. Lamb was out, so they're
(49:36):
going to move the ball. They're going to score. Great
credit to Brian Schottenheimer with what he's doing with the offense.
Just got to figure a way to get some more stops.
But you know they're at three to three and one
right now and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
How do you explain Trevor Lawrence's career.
Speaker 7 (49:51):
It's just been so inconsistent. There's so much physical talent
there as a passer, as an athlete, as a runner,
it's just been so up and down, and it's been
a lot of it's just been those those key big airs,
that interception at the wrong time, the strip fumble at
the wrong time, but don't forget. And I know nobody
(50:11):
wants to hear about patience, but it is a new
head coach, it's a new offensive Liam Cohen. Things do
take some time. So they did some good things earlier
in the year, but it's going to take some time
as we moved through this with with the new head coach,
slash coordinator and quarterback. There's talent there. He just got
to keep working together on it. But yeah, it's just
(50:34):
been I don't want to say disappointing, because that's not
that's not they're quite the right word. But it's just
been so inconsistent because the highs have been really high
and the lows have been really low, and so somehow
trying to even those out.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
You famously drafted Justin Herbert. Of course you didn't have that.
You didn't have a choice there where you could draft
draft Tua, who went right before you drafted Justin Herbert.
But when you watch where their careers are going to
obviously massive struggle yesterday against Cleveland, and you know Herbert
didn't have his best day, but he's he's widely regarded
(51:09):
as at least a top ten quarterback. Now kind of
looking back, what's your reaction to the disparities, And look,
you couldn't plan on to his injuries, but he was
injured a lot in college. Like one of the things
that people missed on him wasn't just a hip Like
he got hurt every year in college and usually got
hurt when he was trying to run away from people
and they caught him. They catch in college, they're going
(51:30):
to catch you in the pro. But what do you
think now, you know six years later, six seasons later,
where Herbert is the top ten guy and Tua is
gonna be struggling to hold onto his job.
Speaker 7 (51:42):
Yeah, we've talked about this before that in college in
the draft process. Yes, his durability and injury history, that
was a pretty big deal. The hip injury was a
significant injury that you know, we didn't know one hundred
percent that it would come back to one hundred percent.
Now it did, which is great, But had a lot
of other injuries and a lot of us Like you said,
(52:02):
like he's a by NFL standard, he's probably an average athlete.
And when you're gonna you know, try and escape and move,
I mean the athletes have the speed at this lever
are so much faster, you get caught, you can get hurt,
so and we've seen that now his player right now,
like you're watching yesterday, it's just like a total lack
of confidence. Right now. We've seen him play at a
higher level, and we've seen him play a higher level
(52:24):
in that offense, but right now, it just seems like
it's just a it's a snowball running downhill and it's
just turning and turning, turning and get big, bigger and bigger.
But with you know what justin what you're looking at
is and he saw this yesterday with a couple of
the plays. He's such a big, fast and physical player
that even when there's pressure on him he has the
(52:44):
speed to get out of the pocket and go pick
up a chunky yards or he can take his left
armor and just stiff armor deep defensive lineman to the
ground to give us some extra time to make a throw.
And you know, if you're going to play this position
over the long term, and if you're drafting a quarterback,
you're hoping for ten plus years your franchise quarterback, if
you hit on it, you're not going to have a
perfect offensive line every year. You're not gonna have a
(53:05):
perfect offense every year, so you're gonna have to make
a lot of plays on your own. And then yesterday
watching Tua throw the ball in Cleveland where it's wet
and it's windy too, it just doesn't have that elite
arm strength to pierce the ball through the winds of
coming off Lake Erie. And I think justin in that
situation a little bit bigger arm, just the way, same
(53:25):
way Jim Kelly had an arm perfectly for playing in Buffalo,
New York. Big strong can throw the ball through the winds.
So to yesterday, it's a tough situation for him. He's
a rhythm passer, he's accurate, arbustrength is kind of average
and it hurts you're playing the element. So but yeah,
there are two different styles of quarterbacks. But I do
(53:46):
think to if you get back in the right situation,
can be productive in this league right now, just team wise,
it just seems like team wise, it's the confidence that's
just really dying.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
It's a mess. It's a mess. Tell me the best man,
love having me on. Talk to you next week, Thanks
for our guest, and talk to about radio
Speaker 7 (54:01):
Funs great Doug, thank you,
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.