October 21, 2025 • 46 mins
Doug talks about the Blue Jays and the heroics by all-star George Springer and explains why he thinks it was Comeback 101.
Doug welcomes sports author Yaron Weitzman onto the show to talk about his new book: A Hollywood Ending: The Dreams and Drama of the Lebron Lakers
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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that's that you're just making an excuse, so you just
don't like your boy. I was thinking, and I want
to get to last night's Blue Jays comeback win. We'll
(00:51):
get on last night's NFL games, the second of which
congrats to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. But I think we
can all agree ugly football game, right, like like Dan's
probably like, dude, we'll take it. Don't care. But that
was not an aesthetically pleasing game at all. No, you
don't care. You do care. That was ugly.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It was absolutely awful, Doug, it was. It was atrocious.
Anytime you said the football over four times in a
game and you have an opportunity to wrap it up,
and they failed to do so. One of the least
satisfying wins in my memory for the Seahawks, despite them
being five and two.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I would so much rather win ugly than lose pretty.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, no doubt, you know, just didn't have to be
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, it was. It was an ugly football like so
much so that like I knew Jason didn't text us
last night, but I know he was chuckling. And chortling's
a word, right, Like we all know what chortling is
when you like kind of snort and chuckle at the
same time. Right, Jason was chortling last night because he's
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been on this zero patur the everybody watched the NFL,
even though the NFL's product isn't really any good, and
last night was one of his atta boy moments because
he was right. I was watching him like, oh my god,
Jason's so right. This is such a bad football game,
you know, there's and again I want to get to baseball,
give me one minute, but something you said in the
(02:19):
update was like the only reason to maybe pay attention
to tonight's Rockets Oklahoma City Thunder game. You said, the
thunder are gonna get their rings tonight and they're gonna
take on Kevin Durant, Right, so there are people that'll
be in the crowd, not any of the players. They'd
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be like, c KD, we want to want a ring
without you. He'd be like, I have two, would have
had three if I didn't get hurt. But it's it's
really interesting. It's like he's their former great player and
tonight is a little bit of in your face, we
can win a championship here, you just weren't good enough
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or want to stay long enough to win one. I
guess just the thing anyway, NBA season lacking a lot
of buzz for your boy. Even though love basketball, coach basketball,
love the NBA, it feels like there's probably ten players
that are over the hill that we're we're not okay
with saying they're over the hill, even though they are right.
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And then there's the idea of the best team is
in Oklahoma City and people are just struggling to come
around to the fact because it's like you gotta win
a championship to be a star, but you got to
be a star in some level or have stars to
win a championship. And we're stuck because Oklaoma City won
a championship before they had multiple bona fide stars, which
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means we could have that there's a world there where
it becomes a dynasty and we're simply early on in
the dynasty, or there's a world where it was an outlier.
Back to the NBA in a second, let's get to
Major League Baseball. I was watching last night George Springer
hits this home run and the Blue Jays come back,
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and what looked like it It didn't look good. Granted,
seventh inning, that's when it usually goes bad. I thought
last night, the seventh inning turnaround where they put up
three runs on the Springer home run, when I and
you guys didn't respond, which I was a little hurt by.
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But that's okay because people don't respond to Dan's and
then Dan gets hurt by it as well. All of
our feelings are crushed because we all have other everybody
else has lives, and when you send out a group
text text, you think that immediately everybody's gonna respond. My
text was baseball, because I was like, that's the most
that's the most cliche cliche baseball thing ever, wasn't it.
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Like it's the blue Jay's bottom half of the seventh,
the Mariners change pitchers, they put wu in Burger walks,
then they get a single right, then the sack bunt.
Then they change pitchers, specifically bring in a pitcher Edward Bizardo,
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and Bizardo comes in and gives up a home run
to George Springer. But the way the succession of events
is as comeback cliche as possible. It's wasn't it Dave
Roberts when he cap he's he pinched ran? But that inning,
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I believe was started with a walk. Every late inning
rally in baseball seems to start with a walk. Like
that's the cliche, that's how it always happens. It's it's
like the announcer Jinx in basketball. Right the second you
say something about somebody's free throwers, automatically they're going to miss,
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you know. The second that you don't pay attention to
an extra point in football is when a when you
or when you act like this is a guaranteed point
they're gonna make it. Something goes wrong and it doesn't
become a guaranteed point. And in baseball, the most cliche
thing about a comeback is the lead off walk. Oh boy,
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the leadoff oh boy, and the pressure builds up. Now buyer,
have you and Jason? Have you heard Jason go and
do his rant about how like he's really bothered that
Springer George Springer hit the home run last night because
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George Springer was the MVP of the Sully Championship, because
he was the MVP that year when the Astros won
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We have not had a conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He's he he just is really struggling with it. You know,
he's smoking hot girlfriend. He can't talk to her. He's
struggling to come on air to put together a show.
And I get it, but it's it's like he was
personally hurt by this, or maybe it's that he's bothered.
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And I get that. I actually understand it, because I mean,
think of think of the it's when we do the
Aaron Judges the American League home run Champion, Why do
we do that? Well, Barry Bonds has the record. Yeah, well,
he was taking stories steroids. He says he didn't knowingly
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take storoids, but he absolutely took steroids. He was He's
this behemoth figure late in his thirties hitting out bombs,
and so whenever I see that, it doesn't sit well
with me. So were you, Jay stud just asking the question?
Were you rooting against him the whole game or was
it after the fact you hit the home run?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
What is the experience like? As such an ardent Dodger
fan to watch George Springer be the hero today.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
George Springer's on a short list of cheaters from the
twenty seventeen World Series that cost my Dodgers a World championship.
I think the Yankee fans are even more pissed off
than I am because it cost them a chance to
the World Series. And then Springer is on that shortlist,
right Alex Bregman. Uh Altuve tops the list, and then
Bregman I saw last night and it was listed in
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the Chiron as an accolade. You know, they're like they'll
always give, like, you know, seven time MVP, he said,
twenty two postseason home runs, third all time, the MVP
of the twenty seventeen World Series. And I'm thinking I
think They included that in the graphic as an accolade,
when I think it's an albatross. And for those that
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aren't familiar with the rhyme and the ancient mariner, the
albatross is something that you should be burdened by for
the rest of your life. You were the best cheater
on a team that admitted to cheating to win the
World Series. I will never root for him. I'm glad
we're playing him because I want to see us get
him out. But yeah, he's on that short list.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, it's an interesting experience, and I actually do like
the more you describe it to me, the more I
understand like they should carry a Scarlett letter. The issue
with it for me is, I mean, unless I'm mistaken less,
there's something all last night's achievement was based upon his
own personal skill he didn't have. He didn't know what
pitch was coming. We don't know. And of course, when
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you've done it once and the players were never punished,
what's to stop you from doing it again? But I
so listing his past accomplishment, I get it. But rooting
again against some current day I think you're rooting against
how people have let these guys slide more than rooting
against him.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
He said, twenty three home runs in the postseason. I
think that's third all the time. You guys can fact
check me. Twenty three home runs in postseason. The problem
with the cheating scandal is that all of those home
runs can be looked at through a different filter, Right,
he's a chest.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, that's fair, Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think maybe the
tide has turned because we all saw that viral video
from this past summer and how jose L two v
eight was just verbally assaulted by a fan at Dodger Stadium.
Don't you think that that was maybe the turning point
in all of this, just verbally berated.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, so silver people, silver people who are are new
to the show or you haven't listened. Do we have
this the sound there? This was there was one such
fan who I mean, I mean, he made how you
know he did, Dan? He made howse L two a
feel small? They did.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think this is where the tide turn. I don't
know if Jason agrees, but when I heard this clip
of the fan, I mean I think that that kind
of turned the tied.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, there's what that fans say, Jason, there's twenty seven
ways in which you cheated there.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Are He's number twenty seven out and that the fan
made of I think one of the most original Booze
and jeer. I don't think of two has ever heard
this year that twenty seven on the back of your
back stands for the number of pitches you knew were
cutting in the twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's funny, This is funny. You're funny.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I will say this to Jason's point that even if
the Astros were significantly punished or the players were significantly
punished for their roles in it, it's still a scarlet
letter that and dug to your point about it, but
even if they were to do their time, if you will,
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that it would be still a part of their career.
Like a Rod had his suspensions and it's still a
part of his career with the steroid. But but it's not.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
But it's not this is this is where, this is
where it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't think that we look at a Rods. Let me,
let me just make make my point before you say it.
It's it's It makes it doubly worse that not only
is their life after death that the players didn't even
feel a death. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Jason correct, No, that thing that maybe that was the
biggest indictment on the whole thing. They gave the players
immunity and they never suffered a consequence.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I will say it's kind of classic baseball, Like Alex
Rodriguez is broadcasting all these games, like there's the dude
who got caught twice with steroids, Like what what do
we what? And he's speaking on baseball. Why he was
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a great talent, but everything he accomplished in his career
should be called in the question they couldn't wait to
get him out of that Yankee clubhouse. And then when
the Yankees get eliminated, like who gets it's the comment
on National TV about the Yankees current and future history.
Alex Rodriguez like what, that's a weird one, but that's
kind of classic baseball. Barry Bonds, though he wasn't a
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good one, became a hitting coach still around baseball when
you know, violated the core tenants of baseball. Pete Rose
was the one guy that was kicked out of the
game because he was gambling on baseball. And now a
part of it is he's passed. But part of it
is that's kind of baseball and that they like they
don't really want to punish anybody, but it is a
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weird thing. I do think it's a better series than
the Mariners series in that now you have a whole
country that actually, on some level cares, and you have
the Dodgers. Otherwise of your numbers would have been bad.
And Seattle's just such a niche market. Great market, but
so niche. I'd love a study to be done. I'd
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love Elias Sports Bureau to find out how many any
comebacks eighth inning or greater have started, Like what's percentage
of postseason comebacks that start with a leadoff walk. I'm
watching and I was doing the multi view. I'm not
gonna lie to you guys, but I did have the
sound on on the baseball and all of a sudden
seventh inning, Woo Woo walks first batter, and I was like, Oh,
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here we go, here we go, here we go. And
now we have Blue Jays and Dodgers and the blue Jays.
Let's also be honest, like, they're not a poor team.
They put a lot of money in this team, maybe
not Dodger money, but plenty money. This is not rich
versus poor. This is rich versus richer. Here's John Schnyder
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talking about Jay Stw's boys, Springer and his team.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Before the game. I said, there there's always someone that's
going to have a moment. Right in a game seven,
winner take all game. They had a couple, you know,
from one their big name guys between Juliocal and Josh,
so you never really know. So in the moment, I've
seen Georgie hit some homers, you know, and I was
just hoping that he got enough of it. And when
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he did, you know, you kind of look around and
you see players and coaches reacting the way they did.
Kind of surreal in the moment when you're witnessing the
historic swing for the organization, you know what I mean.
And then you try to get back. I remember going
right to Pete and just making sure, yeah, Chris is
still the guy no matter what for the eighth inning,
so you kind of get back into manager mode.
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It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Your
own Whitesman as author new book. It's called Tanking to
the Top, a Hollywood ending the dreams and drama of
the Lebron Lakers. You may have read excerpts of the book,
which I think most notably I was reading The Ringer.
(16:31):
They had an excerpt and it was over Russell Westbrook
and what broke down in their relationship. Your own joins
us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Good to catch up with your own. Thanks so much
for your time. Hey Doug, when did you When did
when's the book start?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What is in the chronological was it in terms of
Lebron before he got to the Lakers, when he arrived Lakers? Where?
Where do we begin this story, Yeah, we begin.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Thanks having me on the way I kind of approached
it is. I don't think you can tell the story
of Lebron and his tenure of the Lakers and what
that meant for the team and specifically Geni Bus to
have a star without telling the history and story of
the Bus family. So, I mean, you can spend five
books just on the Bus family, but we kind of
start with Jerry Buss and speed through that and the
(17:22):
Lakers in the end of the Colbiero where things were
kind of down and the internal drama with the Bus
family and how the team was desperate for a lifeline
really and Lebron became bad.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
There's always this thing with Lebron where when he comes
in he tries to take over, right, And it was
it was pat Riley even said like, hey, that was
why they were happy, supposedly happy to be out of
Lebron business. Was there any discussion about Rich Paul, about
their involvement about the decision making within the organization when
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he came aboard when they were pursuing the via free agency.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
I mean, so in in free agency, the Lakers, but
Jeanie and the Bus family, they were all. They rolled
out the red carpet for Clutch and Lebron. But that's
very much. That was very much how Genie Buss was
raised in terms of how to how to run a
basketball game, right. Her father was about stars and we
cater to our stars and it's Hollywood, right, and this
is how it goes. So they very much said that.
(18:24):
I mean, it's a great story. People kind of probably
forgot it. But Contagious Caldwell Pulp, the wing player, he's
a Clutch client. He's there the year before Lebron gets there,
and he has to serve basically in a halfway house
the time for I remember this, you are I forget
what was I don't want to be specific here. Basically
the judge, they forget away for him to play home
(18:45):
games right with the Lakers. Uh and and I practice
and just go sleep somewhere else in the facility, uh
in the halfway house and the and like I think
most teams they probably would not be okay with this,
but the Lakers were very much They want to Clutch
to be happy. The interesting part though, is after they
got him, after they got Lebron, and it's one of
the things that was pretty surprising to me is like unpacked.
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The reporting, the idea that Clutch was running things. I
think that was an overstatement. I mean, you see it
the year two after Luke Waltins fired, Lebron wants the
Lakers to hire Tyleru. Tyler would be a perfect candidate
for them at that point, you know, former Laker, which
matters to them. He gets along with Lebron, you know, coaching,
obviously a very good coach. And Lebron makes it very
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clear and he wants Tyleru, and the Lakers just wouldn't
do it because they didn't want to give him a
contract that was, they didn't want to pay him what
Tyler thought he should get paid. And Lebron, you know,
that's the year two, and you know, if Lebron was
getting anything he wanted, that would be a perfect example
of they would have just got him instead instead of
Frank Vogel.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, it's crazy. Remember it was a was a three
year deal and he woned a four year deal and
the money wasn't huge, and then Vogel took it. Tyler
got the deal with the Clippers and the rest, as
they say, is history. What about Westbrook right, the reporting
to your book. Okay, your own white'sman joining us here
in the doug Outleap Show. He's written a new book
(20:04):
that's out and it's the Lakers. It's about the Lakers
and Lebron James. The book is titled Tanking to the Top,
a Hollywood ending the Lakers and the drama of the
Dreams and the drama of the Lebron Lakers. What about
the Westbrook and how they ultimately traded for him, because
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again what was reported was whether it was Buddy Healed,
DeMar DeRozan, there were others that the front office supposedly wanted,
but it was Lebron James and Anthony Davis that honed
in on Russell Westbrook. What's the reality based upon your
reporting and that you've been able to write down.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
So the reporter to the reality is they all are
part of it, and they all had a hand in it,
and then they're all trying to blame each other, right,
that's PLDR version, Like they basically all came at it
from their own perspective. So after that season and it's
finally the parts interesting and I think it gets the mistake.
The mistake they made, and I believe was so they
have the bubble year and they win, and the next
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year they start off for they well strongly. They have
Shooter and Marcus foul and they start off stronger than
they fall apart. And I think in hindsight, we've all
learned that the act the harder, crazier year in the
NBA was the year after the bubble, right when games
were back in the arenas. But we had the season
like the Lakers had seventy one days between the end
of their championship and the start of the next season.
And I was the year Yiannis one walking. The things
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were crazy, guys in and out. For Covid, it was
just the season was nuts and the Lakers losing the
first round with a D and Lebron but was getting hurt.
And the mistake was they react to that. They sort
of panic and react. I feel like they have to
and this is Lebron at the front office, right, this
is what's happening. They all react instead of saying, you
know what, there was we had no shot seventy one
days between the seasons, like we were never going to win.
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They decided they have to go get a third star.
Polinka in the front office want a third star, Lebron
wants to as someone else. They want someone who could
help maybe carry some of the offensive juice, so Lebron
holds up him. Anthony Davis and Jared at least start
going through names and Bradley Beal's and mar Thea Rosen
are on the list. Westbrook too. They reached out to
Westbrook at the same time, Polinko is in the off
front office talking about how much he wanted a third
scar you know the Nets, like, let's talk look the
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Nets Big three model, we have to beat them, and
the Lakers actually have. So Lebron's were talking to Westbrook.
The Lakers start back channeling UH talking to Westbrook's agent,
and so it's hat They're all approaching it from different
angles and they end up getting the trade goes through,
it gets and it gets completed at an ownership level.
Genibus ends up executing it with UH with the Wizard's
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owner at that level to kind of go through some
of the trade compensation. And then it all goes horribly
and they all start blaming each other and telling, you know, say,
no they brought to us, No, they brought it in
to us. So it's that it's just to me it's
kind of telling. It's kind of emblematic of the whole tenure,
in the whole partnership.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah. Uh. The the excerpt I read was about Westbrook
basically saying, le Bronze of phony, right that right, the
the the Malcolm X book, what's your favorite heart? So many?
The Godfather's my favorite movie? What's your favorite line? Oh?
So many? You know, all all of those things which
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we laugh about the media, and but it is that
that's a real thing in league circles, or at least
with with Westbrook and how you've used him.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
For sure. But it was so funny though, because to
me it's funny so seeing that yesterday. So it's a
great story. And you know, the short version is Lebron
walks out before the Lakers are gonna have Will Smith
come speak to the group because they bring in the
famous people that do that, and Lebron walks out. He
doesn't want to be there. He ends up being pulled
back in by Darwin Ham and then what Wilfay has
done and Lebron asks a million questions as it's happening.
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Westbrooki is growing curious just watching it, and later say
so a teammate I hate that takes stuff. I can't
stand it. Right. And there's a picture you could get
a picture of the Lakers posted the team picture that
day of Westbrook of the whole team with Will Smith,
and you can see Westbrook's coowling. They're just angry and
he's right. The part I found fascinating. And you know,
I'm in my mentions yesterday and I'm looking because I'm vain.
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Obviously I try all I mentioned, and most of the
most of the commentary is like, yeah, team Ross, go
get him Lebronz of phony, Team Ross, and you can.
I have no issue with that, And there's plenty of
examples like that. The thing that's wild is the Westbrook
Lakers partnership did not fail because Lebron's a phony. It
failed because Russ played awfully. It was a horrible fit
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and and showed no willingness to even attempt to adapt, right.
And it's just to me, it's telling that, for whatever
reason is this lebron a lot of fans don't not
only do they not connect with him, but they're bothered
by him, and it's hard to fully explain why. And
that to me, it was just interesting seeing that yesterday
that like.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Go ahead, no, Jeron, here's what we've We've talked about
this a lot on the show. And Jason, who's lived
in Los Angeles whole life, right, I grew up in
southern California. So my feeling towards Lebron and how Lakers
fancy one, it's hard because he wasn't always arrival, was
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really a rival to Kobe okay, but he was a
star that took up attention from Kobe, and for whatever reason,
Laker fans view him as a kind of arrival and
now we got to cheer from. It's a lot like
when the Chargers came to town and they're playing in Carson, Like,
wait a second, Carson is Raider territory and now the
rivals like our home team. That doesn't make sense. That's
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a little bit of it. And I've just always felt
like a lot of the other things he's done, he
was It was one of his first couple of years
with the Lakers. You know, he get hurt, then he
had the wine. Nobody does that when he's on the bench.
There was the time when they had the All Star
Game in Cleveland and he openly talked about going back
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to Cleveland. To end his careers like you're a Laker,
you don't do No one doesn't want to end their
career with the Lakers. And so here's how we worded it.
He plays for the Lakers. It's gonna be the what
the second longest tenure because the combined tenures of Cleveland.
But no one who's a true Laker fan views him
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as a Laker. He's simply a guy who played for
the Lakers. Does that make sense?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
You know it's not. I completely agree. And by the
way we in the book, I write about the Kobe
Lebron's economy like that there was always It's not only
that he was a challenger. They approached they approached everything
completely differently. So Kobe, Kobe wasn't leaking, and Kobe didn't
understand Lebron like that, Like Kobe wouldn't link up with
friends Lebron. Does you know Kobe was all enemies Lebron's buddies,
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guys on their teams. Lebron has interest outside of basketball,
doesn't mean he takes basketball. You know, you can't do
what he's done for longevity and not take a seriously.
But Kobe was all about basketball. Even the approach on
the court, like you know, Kobe will shoot over three guys.
Lebron passed the open guy, right And even with a
Nike I read about this, they kind of they there
was different wings, right, like if they hung out with
different people, were operated by different people. So one hundred
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percent you saw that when Lebron came and Lakers fans
are defacing murals. It's just so interesting and weird. And
the part that what Lebron was robbed of the fact
that the twenty twenty title happened in the bubble without fans,
and then there's no parade that would change everything because
that's an emotional connection point that could form things and
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that that did not exist, and that's just and that's
where you're right, right, So the fact that his high
point of the franchise happened literally in a bubble, it
changes history on that and I do, yeah, it'd be
interesting sliding doors moment if it was like if that's
if he wins the title in front of fans and
it's a parade, and I wonder if things are different.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
After best guess is this Lebron's last year?
Speaker 7 (27:31):
So my answer is to this, I don't know, but
I genuinely don't think he knows, right. I think that's
what we're kind of seeing now, where he's trying to
figure out what he wants to do next. We've seen
him with the contract stuff, and he's clearly not happy
that he's not on an expiring contract, and I feel
like he feels a little boxed in because he's going
to want to do a farewell tour, but he's not
going to do it for some random team, and he
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wants to get paid right. He's big on I don't
take pay cuts anymore. I think hes he represents the
player for us like that. So if this comes down
to the Lakers and Cavs, those are, to me are
the only two teams I could see him playing for.
And I genuinely I thought, honestly, I had not just
the book coming out, and it would have been good
for me. I think, like I thought this was going
to be it. I really did, but I also assumed
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that I could be wrong. I always assumed that he
would announce his final season before the season started, right
like they would just be a giant's farewell tour like that,
And the fact that he hasn't done that yet makes
me think we're getting another year at least, but I yeah,
that's fine. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The book is called a Hollywood Ending the Dreams and
Drama of the Lebron Lakers. Your own Weizman is the author. Heye,
you can pick it up at wherever you get books
of course audio books as well. Your own great stuff. Man.
Everybody's talking about it. Can't wait to read it. Thank
you for being our guest.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Thanks dog, I appreciate you. Good talking.
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so many NFL stories you can't cover them all. So
in an effort to cover the ones that you may
have missed but we did not, we came up with
Tuesday Morning Quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. This is Tuesday morning Quarterback
in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Who don't wanna go out back in the afternoon? You know, Dan,
I'm gonna give you a first crack at this thing
because I know how like you just you're watching all
this game Sunday, you know you can only talk about
so many Then Monday we get to the leads, whatever
there's you have so much that ends up on the
cutting room floor. What's the one story that you most
(30:59):
think we have missed collectively as national media and you
want to get to it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, I don't know if it's categorized as that, but
I do think that it needs to be talked about
because we look at the worst teams in the NFL,
as the Jets because they're zero to seven, or the
Titans because they're one and six and fired their head coach.
Something happened on Sunday as I was watching the early
window of games and saw that the Raiders in the
(31:26):
fourth quarter had just three first downs against the Kansas
City Chiefs in their game, and I just thought, my goodness,
that is absurd. Kansas City dominated that game. I saw
clip yesterday of Gardner Minshew, Chiefs backup quarterback taking a
knee with two and a half minutes left in that contest?
(31:48):
Why why rub it in even more? For Andy Reid
and then Doug Last night when I was doing my
I Want Your Flex podcast. I went I looked at
the team stats in that game just for a second
and saw, wait a second, the Raiders ended up with
only three first downs in that game against Kansas City.
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Gino Smith had sixty seven yards passing in that game.
They held the ball for a whopping seventeen minutes and
fifty two seconds, completely outclassed by the Chiefs. But the
amazing thing is is, I think the Raiders are one
of the three worst teams in the National Football League,
and we just aren't talking about them because of how
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bad the Jets have been and the Titans firing their coach,
And maybe we're clouded by a Week one win against
the Patriots, which I think we now look back and say,
how in the world did that happen? But the Pete
Carroll era to try to turn things around is not happening.
There is no ground game with Chip Kelly as their
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offensive coordinator. And now if you just wonder have the
Raiders has the game passed Pete Carroll and everybody by like,
this is not the start you would want if you're
a Silver and Black fan, and they do not have
hope on the way. Aside from brock Bauers, hopefully getting
healthy for them.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Besides that, though, how was the show.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Third west worst point differential in the National Football League?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
The Raiders commitment to excrement, the raid, the commitment to
extra true, Jay Stou, I think that there is a
hold on, hold on, hold on, where's your signature line?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Okay, well, so hold on, hold on, allow me to
explain to the listener the evolution of my line. The
evolution of my line entails one thing. It entails a
fairly lengthy introduction from Doug. So when Doug starts to
introduce me, I cut him off. But Doug, knowing that
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I have an introductory line, goes to me very fast
with these the least amount of words for me to
cut him off on. So now the fund's over. There's
no more fun. So I'm just gonna go along with
my Tuesday morning quarterback topic.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Sorry, I had to. Okay, anybody who Choseuon Barkley in
the top five or six picks of their fantasy draft
knows exactly where I'm coming from. Saquon Barkley was a
player that probably won you your fantasy league last season.
Remember he was I think like a second round pick.
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Joel Shane chose to let him go to the Eagles
and all that and became the offensive player of the
Year and everything else. The stats this year through seven
weeks are astounding. And we're talking about, if you want
to give it contrast, we're talking about a year where
the familiar running good seasons. Running back, Yeah, Christian McCaffery.
(35:05):
We just saw Jamar Gibbs last night. Last night was awesome,
James Cook, Jean Robinson, dependable, and then you throw in
randoms like Rico Dowdell and Javonte Williams.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
What's the running back? Did you say Swift? I'm sorry.
With the Bears, he had like one hundred and twenty
seven yards rushing.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
DeAndre Swift is another. Yeah, But for whatever reason, Saquon
Barkley is not has not joined that collection of running
backs having amazing seasons. You could put the I guess
the blame of Kevin Patullo. He's the new offensive coordinator
for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Now listen, hold on. I'm I'm I hated interrup but
I'm gonna interrupt. Hold on, hold on, do you remember
the discussion everyone had We had a little different discussion
on the running backs, and at the end of the
year last year like, well, clearly the owners were wrong
and these guys are worth it. And my whole point
was the argument wasn't over paying guys for a year.
(36:00):
It wasn't really overpaying guys for two years. It was
how much you would pay them and for how long.
The fight for Saquon Barkley was over a second and
a third year guaranteed at what amount? And the Eagles
redid his deal in the offseason, and now here we
are in the second year of what would have been
a three year deal and he's fallen off. That's the problem.
(36:22):
It's really hard to be really consistent once you get
into your late twenties in the NFL. Sorry go ahead, Jameson.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
But I would say that the old cliche of the
squeaky wheel gave the oil yep, so much real estate,
so much oxygen has been taken up over A J.
Brown and his complaints. How do we get aj involved?
And Saquan has been silent the entire time. He's been
a supportive, good teammate. He's the one after games that
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talks about winning is all that matters, and just to
give the listener just kind of a look see of
how bad has it been. Of the twenty four running
backs who have at least seventy five carries this season,
Barkley ranks dead last three point three yards of carry.
Barkley averaged five point eight yards of carry just a
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year ago. Last year he ran for one hundred and
twenty five yards a game. This year fifty two. So
if there is an indictment on this offense, I know
AJ Brown gets a lot of the oxygen. Kevin Patula
needs to find a way to get Saquon Barkley loose,
because I would disagree with Doug on this. It's only
been a year. I don't think that there's been a
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massive degrading of talent or speed in just a year.
Something's going on in this offense that isn't just AJ
Brown Oriental, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Their offensive line is banged up, played without Cam Jurgens
their center. There's also the Jalen Hurts question as well.
And if I'm a defense and I'm trying to key
on some thing, I'm keying on Saquon Barkley. Also from
a fantasy football perspective, which I think we all have
Jalen Hurts also will take away carry's at the goal line.
(38:11):
So if Saquon isn't breaking away for eighteen and twenty
and fifty yard touchdown runs like he did last season,
then he's not going to be as effective in the
stat column or for your fantasy team. And he also
hasn't been that effective as a receiver out of the backfield.
So it's been a variety of things that have caused
(38:32):
to decline the Saquon Barkley Then I don't even think
that we can necessarily pin on him as being the reason.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
Sam Well, I just wanted to add on that the
buzzards of the NFL media have moved on from the
passing game of the Eagles to the running game of
the Eagles, and every week there's some kind of issue
and whether they win or lose. But now I understand
what you guys are saying. Their offense is dysfunctional, and
so it's one week, it's something works one week or
all the weeks. I guess the running game in Saquon
(39:01):
Barkley don't work. I rolled these drops in. Can I
just say something because I think that's an interesting point.
Is we sit there and we complain about your whole deal.
At Jason's point of AJ Brown's taking up so much
error in the room and Jalen Hurts and how we
look at him as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Is he a top five quarterback? Like they won the
Super Bowl because of Saquon, Like that's the reason why
in their offensive line. But last week against Minnesota, guess what,
both DeVante Smith and AJ Brown over one hundred yards.
Huge games, and you would think that everything is solved.
But to Jason's point, it's not solved. And now we're
distracted because guess what, Brandon Graham's coming out of retirement.
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So when we're talking about the Eagles, it feels like
we're grabbing all of the wrong points and it should
just be like, get Saquon on track, get your offensive
line healthy, and then maybe you could try to repeat sorry, Sam, go.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Ahead, go ahead, Sammy, Jef some else.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
No, I had my own thing, but no, it's I mean, yeah, well,
just a pivot here. I rolled these drops in after
the Indiana fever really pushed the Las Vegas Aces, who
eventually won the WNB Championship, pushed them to overtime in
Game five of the semi finals. I rolled these drops
in because the Indian NA fear would just not go away.
(40:21):
These are from a couple of my favorite movies, Batman
Forever and Austin Powers.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Too, Why to Die?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Why won't You Die? Now?
Speaker 8 (40:31):
I'm not wishing violence on anyone here, This is just figurative,
a fun little exercise here. The New England Patriots dominated
the NFL for twenty years and to quote two face,
why won't you go away?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
The I often think that the gods, the cosmos of
of sports, the gods of deciding who wins and who
loses and who has long you know, dynasties, that that
Lord works in mysterious ways. I don't understand it, because
the Patriots dominated the NFL for twenty years, and they
were only really down for three seasons, and now they're
(41:10):
back with a head coach who has that twenty year
run DNA woven into his entire structure of how he
does things. And now it looks like the Patriots are back. Okay,
if you have it, twenty years of dominating and winning
what six Super Bowl titles? A lot of fans, especially
fans of of really downtrodden organizations like the Browns or
the Bills, they say, well, why not us, It's our time.
(41:33):
And now it looks like the Bill's window is closing
because the Patriots are back. They're back on top in
the AFC East, and you just have to wonder why
is it. It's because of good ownership. As long as
Robert Kraft is around, it seems like the Patriots are
going to be competitive.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
But you're really you're giving, you're giving craft.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
I think I think ownership matters a lot. We were
talked about the Eagles. Jeffrey Lourie, I think is one
of the best owners in sports. I think if your
your your owners are really invested and they're really you know,
connected with the team, that they're going to find reasons
and ways to get your team back on top.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And I'm help you out here. Sure owners should just
need to hire good people.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Well but yeah, that's not but that that's hard, Okay,
Like like.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Craft doesn't have anything to do with football, and you know,
they hired a guy who was completely an app last
year and you know, with the same quarterback they they
they managed to kind of figure it out that.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Though, you know, I will say the way the Craft
is massaged their down years though is really that impressive,
very impressive.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yes, he's been an adult about those massages. Yes.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
So the Patriots, I mean, we don't know if they're
going to go on and win the Super Bowl or what.
What Mike Rabel's coaching ten year is going to look
like in you know, five seven.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Years their quarterback and there they go, they're good.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
They got a dude, and you know, you just you're like,
you know, I Will won two Rose Bulls in nineteen
fifties and then they had twenty years of darkness.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
That's the suffering I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And it's not fair.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
It's not fair that the Patriots are back on top.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I think it's a great point.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
Good morning, Hawaii, it's ten to fifteen in the morning.
I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I actually think that they remind me of when the
Yankees when Aaron Judge was a rookie and you're like, oh,
well that could this be a likable Yankees team and
then like that got over with really quick. I think
that this is a likable Patriots team, but if they
continue to win, that'll probably end up ending pretty quickly.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Why Won't You Die?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I love that movie, Sam. Do you know how much
I like the Austin Powers movies.
Speaker 8 (43:28):
And not sure I've gathered you do like him because
I played you know, his drops pretty frequently and you
seem to respond. So we talked about Austin Powers the
franchise quite a bit on this show.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm gonna there's two quarterbacks and they played last night
and it was a super super ugly game. But I
don't want to lose sight of of two things. The Texans,
there's a bunch of stuff work. You know, you have
a coach who a couple of years ago, I felt like, man,
(43:59):
they found their co they found their guy, like he's
their rable, played their linebacker really good, came from San Francisco,
immediately made the playoffs. And then you have this quarterback
in CJ. Stroud, who great year at Ohio State. But
there's some people myself include, like is he that good
or is it they're just so much better than everybody
(44:20):
they're playing. He was just okay last year and he
was probably below average last night. Then they got Nick Chubb,
who's like, at twenty nine, I don't know if he's
rushed for more than seventy yards in the game. He
hasn't broken one hundred in the game. So it's like
all these three things happening, where sophomore is slump from
Stroud is kind of seemingly extended a little bit. There's
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just not the same something from the coaching staff. And
then you know you're built around this running game and
Nick Chubb and Nick Chubb is the shell of his
former self. I know the Texans being mid maybe hasn't
discussed enough. And then the other side, look again, it
was an ugly football game, ugly ugly. But Sam Donald's
(45:10):
team is five and two, and for a guy that
has been written off much like his predecessor in Seattle,
he hadn't written back then, right back. Everyone knows that
me and uh Daniel Jeremiah and to a slightly lesser extent,
cow heard huge. Sam Donald fans huge, still holding stock
(45:34):
and he's not the star that his stats said he
was last year. But he's definitely not a bum, definitely
not a bust. And I think he's plenty good enough
to get that team to the playoffs. And do you disagree?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I think there'll be a playoff team. I just thought
there were Sam Donald moments that happened in last night's game.
They do happen a lot worried about.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, they do happen there. It is a real thing,
and you're you're, you're right to say it. I think
he's a better version of what he used to be,
but he still does regress on some of them. That
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that's that you're just making an excuse, so you just
don't like your boy. I was thinking, and I want
to get to last night's Blue Jays comeback win. We'll
(00:51):
get on last night's NFL games, the second of which
congrats to Dan Byer's Seattle Seahawks. But I think we
can all agree ugly football game, right, like like Dan's
probably like, dude, we'll take it. Don't care. But that
was not an aesthetically pleasing game at all. No, you
don't care. You do care. That was ugly.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It was absolutely awful, Doug, it was. It was atrocious.
Anytime you said the football over four times in a
game and you have an opportunity to wrap it up,
and they failed to do so. One of the least
satisfying wins in my memory for the Seahawks, despite them
being five and two.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I would so much rather win ugly than lose pretty.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, no doubt, you know, just didn't have to be
like that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, it was. It was an ugly football like so
much so that like I knew Jason didn't text us
last night, but I know he was chuckling. And chortling's
a word, right, Like we all know what chortling is
when you like kind of snort and chuckle at the
same time. Right, Jason was chortling last night because he's
(01:57):
been on this zero patur the everybody watched the NFL,
even though the NFL's product isn't really any good, and
last night was one of his atta boy moments because
he was right. I was watching him like, oh my god,
Jason's so right. This is such a bad football game,
you know, there's and again I want to get to baseball,
give me one minute, but something you said in the
(02:19):
update was like the only reason to maybe pay attention
to tonight's Rockets Oklahoma City Thunder game. You said, the
thunder are gonna get their rings tonight and they're gonna
take on Kevin Durant, Right, so there are people that'll
be in the crowd, not any of the players. They'd
(02:41):
be like, c KD, we want to want a ring
without you. He'd be like, I have two, would have
had three if I didn't get hurt. But it's it's
really interesting. It's like he's their former great player and
tonight is a little bit of in your face, we
can win a championship here, you just weren't good enough
(03:03):
or want to stay long enough to win one. I
guess just the thing anyway, NBA season lacking a lot
of buzz for your boy. Even though love basketball, coach basketball,
love the NBA, it feels like there's probably ten players
that are over the hill that we're we're not okay
with saying they're over the hill, even though they are right.
(03:24):
And then there's the idea of the best team is
in Oklahoma City and people are just struggling to come
around to the fact because it's like you gotta win
a championship to be a star, but you got to
be a star in some level or have stars to
win a championship. And we're stuck because Oklaoma City won
a championship before they had multiple bona fide stars, which
(03:46):
means we could have that there's a world there where
it becomes a dynasty and we're simply early on in
the dynasty, or there's a world where it was an outlier.
Back to the NBA in a second, let's get to
Major League Baseball. I was watching last night George Springer
hits this home run and the Blue Jays come back,
(04:09):
and what looked like it It didn't look good. Granted,
seventh inning, that's when it usually goes bad. I thought
last night, the seventh inning turnaround where they put up
three runs on the Springer home run, when I and
you guys didn't respond, which I was a little hurt by.
(04:30):
But that's okay because people don't respond to Dan's and
then Dan gets hurt by it as well. All of
our feelings are crushed because we all have other everybody
else has lives, and when you send out a group
text text, you think that immediately everybody's gonna respond. My
text was baseball, because I was like, that's the most
that's the most cliche cliche baseball thing ever, wasn't it.
(04:56):
Like it's the blue Jay's bottom half of the seventh,
the Mariners change pitchers, they put wu in Burger walks,
then they get a single right, then the sack bunt.
Then they change pitchers, specifically bring in a pitcher Edward Bizardo,
(05:17):
and Bizardo comes in and gives up a home run
to George Springer. But the way the succession of events
is as comeback cliche as possible. It's wasn't it Dave
Roberts when he cap he's he pinched ran? But that inning,
(05:40):
I believe was started with a walk. Every late inning
rally in baseball seems to start with a walk. Like
that's the cliche, that's how it always happens. It's it's
like the announcer Jinx in basketball. Right the second you
say something about somebody's free throwers, automatically they're going to miss,
(06:04):
you know. The second that you don't pay attention to
an extra point in football is when a when you
or when you act like this is a guaranteed point
they're gonna make it. Something goes wrong and it doesn't
become a guaranteed point. And in baseball, the most cliche
thing about a comeback is the lead off walk. Oh boy,
(06:26):
the leadoff oh boy, and the pressure builds up. Now buyer,
have you and Jason? Have you heard Jason go and
do his rant about how like he's really bothered that
Springer George Springer hit the home run last night because
(06:46):
George Springer was the MVP of the Sully Championship, because
he was the MVP that year when the Astros won
the World Series.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
We have not had a conversation.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He's he he just is really struggling with it. You know,
he's smoking hot girlfriend. He can't talk to her. He's
struggling to come on air to put together a show.
And I get it, but it's it's like he was
personally hurt by this, or maybe it's that he's bothered.
(07:15):
And I get that. I actually understand it, because I mean,
think of think of the it's when we do the
Aaron Judges the American League home run Champion, Why do
we do that? Well, Barry Bonds has the record. Yeah, well,
he was taking stories steroids. He says he didn't knowingly
(07:36):
take storoids, but he absolutely took steroids. He was He's
this behemoth figure late in his thirties hitting out bombs,
and so whenever I see that, it doesn't sit well
with me. So were you, Jay stud just asking the question?
Were you rooting against him the whole game or was
it after the fact you hit the home run?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
What is the experience like? As such an ardent Dodger
fan to watch George Springer be the hero today.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
George Springer's on a short list of cheaters from the
twenty seventeen World Series that cost my Dodgers a World championship.
I think the Yankee fans are even more pissed off
than I am because it cost them a chance to
the World Series. And then Springer is on that shortlist,
right Alex Bregman. Uh Altuve tops the list, and then
Bregman I saw last night and it was listed in
(08:28):
the Chiron as an accolade. You know, they're like they'll
always give, like, you know, seven time MVP, he said,
twenty two postseason home runs, third all time, the MVP
of the twenty seventeen World Series. And I'm thinking I
think They included that in the graphic as an accolade,
when I think it's an albatross. And for those that
(08:48):
aren't familiar with the rhyme and the ancient mariner, the
albatross is something that you should be burdened by for
the rest of your life. You were the best cheater
on a team that admitted to cheating to win the
World Series. I will never root for him. I'm glad
we're playing him because I want to see us get
him out. But yeah, he's on that short list.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah, it's an interesting experience, and I actually do like
the more you describe it to me, the more I
understand like they should carry a Scarlett letter. The issue
with it for me is, I mean, unless I'm mistaken less,
there's something all last night's achievement was based upon his
own personal skill he didn't have. He didn't know what
pitch was coming. We don't know. And of course, when
(09:34):
you've done it once and the players were never punished,
what's to stop you from doing it again? But I
so listing his past accomplishment, I get it. But rooting
again against some current day I think you're rooting against
how people have let these guys slide more than rooting
against him.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
He said, twenty three home runs in the postseason. I
think that's third all the time. You guys can fact
check me. Twenty three home runs in postseason. The problem
with the cheating scandal is that all of those home
runs can be looked at through a different filter, Right,
he's a chest.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yes, that's fair, Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, I think maybe the
tide has turned because we all saw that viral video
from this past summer and how jose L two v
eight was just verbally assaulted by a fan at Dodger Stadium.
Don't you think that that was maybe the turning point
in all of this, just verbally berated.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Okay, so silver people, silver people who are are new
to the show or you haven't listened. Do we have
this the sound there? This was there was one such
fan who I mean, I mean, he made how you
know he did, Dan? He made howse L two a
feel small? They did.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I think this is where the tide turn. I don't
know if Jason agrees, but when I heard this clip
of the fan, I mean I think that that kind
of turned the tied.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, there's what that fans say, Jason, there's twenty seven
ways in which you cheated there.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Are He's number twenty seven out and that the fan
made of I think one of the most original Booze
and jeer. I don't think of two has ever heard
this year that twenty seven on the back of your
back stands for the number of pitches you knew were
cutting in the twenty seventeen postseason.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's funny, This is funny. You're funny.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I will say this to Jason's point that even if
the Astros were significantly punished or the players were significantly
punished for their roles in it, it's still a scarlet
letter that and dug to your point about it, but
even if they were to do their time, if you will,
(11:51):
that it would be still a part of their career.
Like a Rod had his suspensions and it's still a
part of his career with the steroid. But but it's not.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
But it's not this is this is where, this is
where it.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I don't think that we look at a Rods. Let me,
let me just make make my point before you say it.
It's it's It makes it doubly worse that not only
is their life after death that the players didn't even
feel a death. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Jason correct, No, that thing that maybe that was the
biggest indictment on the whole thing. They gave the players
immunity and they never suffered a consequence.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I will say it's kind of classic baseball, Like Alex
Rodriguez is broadcasting all these games, like there's the dude
who got caught twice with steroids, Like what what do
we what? And he's speaking on baseball. Why he was
(12:49):
a great talent, but everything he accomplished in his career
should be called in the question they couldn't wait to
get him out of that Yankee clubhouse. And then when
the Yankees get eliminated, like who gets it's the comment
on National TV about the Yankees current and future history.
Alex Rodriguez like what, that's a weird one, but that's
kind of classic baseball. Barry Bonds, though he wasn't a
(13:13):
good one, became a hitting coach still around baseball when
you know, violated the core tenants of baseball. Pete Rose
was the one guy that was kicked out of the
game because he was gambling on baseball. And now a
part of it is he's passed. But part of it
is that's kind of baseball and that they like they
don't really want to punish anybody, but it is a
(13:35):
weird thing. I do think it's a better series than
the Mariners series in that now you have a whole
country that actually, on some level cares, and you have
the Dodgers. Otherwise of your numbers would have been bad.
And Seattle's just such a niche market. Great market, but
so niche. I'd love a study to be done. I'd
(13:57):
love Elias Sports Bureau to find out how many any
comebacks eighth inning or greater have started, Like what's percentage
of postseason comebacks that start with a leadoff walk. I'm
watching and I was doing the multi view. I'm not
gonna lie to you guys, but I did have the
sound on on the baseball and all of a sudden
seventh inning, Woo Woo walks first batter, and I was like, Oh,
(14:20):
here we go, here we go, here we go. And
now we have Blue Jays and Dodgers and the blue Jays.
Let's also be honest, like, they're not a poor team.
They put a lot of money in this team, maybe
not Dodger money, but plenty money. This is not rich
versus poor. This is rich versus richer. Here's John Schnyder
(14:41):
talking about Jay Stw's boys, Springer and his team.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Before the game. I said, there there's always someone that's
going to have a moment. Right in a game seven,
winner take all game. They had a couple, you know,
from one their big name guys between Juliocal and Josh,
so you never really know. So in the moment, I've
seen Georgie hit some homers, you know, and I was
just hoping that he got enough of it. And when
(15:07):
he did, you know, you kind of look around and
you see players and coaches reacting the way they did.
Kind of surreal in the moment when you're witnessing the
historic swing for the organization, you know what I mean.
And then you try to get back. I remember going
right to Pete and just making sure, yeah, Chris is
still the guy no matter what for the eighth inning,
so you kind of get back into manager mode.
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This is the best of the Dog dot Leave Show
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Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Your
own Whitesman as author new book. It's called Tanking to
the Top, a Hollywood ending the dreams and drama of
the Lebron Lakers. You may have read excerpts of the book,
which I think most notably I was reading The Ringer.
(16:31):
They had an excerpt and it was over Russell Westbrook
and what broke down in their relationship. Your own joins
us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Good to catch up with your own. Thanks so much
for your time. Hey Doug, when did you When did
when's the book start?
Speaker 7 (16:47):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
What is in the chronological was it in terms of
Lebron before he got to the Lakers, when he arrived Lakers? Where?
Where do we begin this story, Yeah, we begin.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
Thanks having me on the way I kind of approached
it is. I don't think you can tell the story
of Lebron and his tenure of the Lakers and what
that meant for the team and specifically Geni Bus to
have a star without telling the history and story of
the Bus family. So, I mean, you can spend five
books just on the Bus family, but we kind of
start with Jerry Buss and speed through that and the
(17:22):
Lakers in the end of the Colbiero where things were
kind of down and the internal drama with the Bus
family and how the team was desperate for a lifeline
really and Lebron became bad.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
There's always this thing with Lebron where when he comes
in he tries to take over, right, And it was
it was pat Riley even said like, hey, that was
why they were happy, supposedly happy to be out of
Lebron business. Was there any discussion about Rich Paul, about
their involvement about the decision making within the organization when
(17:57):
he came aboard when they were pursuing the via free agency.
Speaker 7 (18:02):
I mean, so in in free agency, the Lakers, but
Jeanie and the Bus family, they were all. They rolled
out the red carpet for Clutch and Lebron. But that's
very much. That was very much how Genie Buss was
raised in terms of how to how to run a
basketball game, right. Her father was about stars and we
cater to our stars and it's Hollywood, right, and this
is how it goes. So they very much said that.
(18:24):
I mean, it's a great story. People kind of probably
forgot it. But Contagious Caldwell Pulp, the wing player, he's
a Clutch client. He's there the year before Lebron gets there,
and he has to serve basically in a halfway house
the time for I remember this, you are I forget
what was I don't want to be specific here. Basically
the judge, they forget away for him to play home
(18:45):
games right with the Lakers. Uh and and I practice
and just go sleep somewhere else in the facility, uh
in the halfway house and the and like I think
most teams they probably would not be okay with this,
but the Lakers were very much They want to Clutch
to be happy. The interesting part though, is after they
got him, after they got Lebron, and it's one of
the things that was pretty surprising to me is like unpacked.
(19:07):
The reporting, the idea that Clutch was running things. I
think that was an overstatement. I mean, you see it
the year two after Luke Waltins fired, Lebron wants the
Lakers to hire Tyleru. Tyler would be a perfect candidate
for them at that point, you know, former Laker, which
matters to them. He gets along with Lebron, you know, coaching,
obviously a very good coach. And Lebron makes it very
(19:27):
clear and he wants Tyleru, and the Lakers just wouldn't
do it because they didn't want to give him a
contract that was, they didn't want to pay him what
Tyler thought he should get paid. And Lebron, you know,
that's the year two, and you know, if Lebron was
getting anything he wanted, that would be a perfect example
of they would have just got him instead instead of
Frank Vogel.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, it's crazy. Remember it was a was a three
year deal and he woned a four year deal and
the money wasn't huge, and then Vogel took it. Tyler
got the deal with the Clippers and the rest, as
they say, is history. What about Westbrook right, the reporting
to your book. Okay, your own white'sman joining us here
in the doug Outleap Show. He's written a new book
(20:04):
that's out and it's the Lakers. It's about the Lakers
and Lebron James. The book is titled Tanking to the Top,
a Hollywood ending the Lakers and the drama of the
Dreams and the drama of the Lebron Lakers. What about
the Westbrook and how they ultimately traded for him, because
(20:25):
again what was reported was whether it was Buddy Healed,
DeMar DeRozan, there were others that the front office supposedly wanted,
but it was Lebron James and Anthony Davis that honed
in on Russell Westbrook. What's the reality based upon your
reporting and that you've been able to write down.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
So the reporter to the reality is they all are
part of it, and they all had a hand in it,
and then they're all trying to blame each other, right,
that's PLDR version, Like they basically all came at it
from their own perspective. So after that season and it's
finally the parts interesting and I think it gets the mistake.
The mistake they made, and I believe was so they
have the bubble year and they win, and the next
(21:07):
year they start off for they well strongly. They have
Shooter and Marcus foul and they start off stronger than
they fall apart. And I think in hindsight, we've all
learned that the act the harder, crazier year in the
NBA was the year after the bubble, right when games
were back in the arenas. But we had the season
like the Lakers had seventy one days between the end
of their championship and the start of the next season.
And I was the year Yiannis one walking. The things
(21:29):
were crazy, guys in and out. For Covid, it was
just the season was nuts and the Lakers losing the
first round with a D and Lebron but was getting hurt.
And the mistake was they react to that. They sort
of panic and react. I feel like they have to
and this is Lebron at the front office, right, this
is what's happening. They all react instead of saying, you
know what, there was we had no shot seventy one
days between the seasons, like we were never going to win.
(21:50):
They decided they have to go get a third star.
Polinka in the front office want a third star, Lebron
wants to as someone else. They want someone who could
help maybe carry some of the offensive juice, so Lebron
holds up him. Anthony Davis and Jared at least start
going through names and Bradley Beal's and mar Thea Rosen
are on the list. Westbrook too. They reached out to
Westbrook at the same time, Polinko is in the off
front office talking about how much he wanted a third
scar you know the Nets, like, let's talk look the
(22:12):
Nets Big three model, we have to beat them, and
the Lakers actually have. So Lebron's were talking to Westbrook.
The Lakers start back channeling UH talking to Westbrook's agent,
and so it's hat They're all approaching it from different
angles and they end up getting the trade goes through,
it gets and it gets completed at an ownership level.
Genibus ends up executing it with UH with the Wizard's
(22:32):
owner at that level to kind of go through some
of the trade compensation. And then it all goes horribly
and they all start blaming each other and telling, you know, say,
no they brought to us, No, they brought it in
to us. So it's that it's just to me it's
kind of telling. It's kind of emblematic of the whole tenure,
in the whole partnership.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Yeah. Uh. The the excerpt I read was about Westbrook
basically saying, le Bronze of phony, right that right, the
the the Malcolm X book, what's your favorite heart? So many?
The Godfather's my favorite movie? What's your favorite line? Oh?
So many? You know, all all of those things which
(23:08):
we laugh about the media, and but it is that
that's a real thing in league circles, or at least
with with Westbrook and how you've used him.
Speaker 7 (23:18):
For sure. But it was so funny though, because to
me it's funny so seeing that yesterday. So it's a
great story. And you know, the short version is Lebron
walks out before the Lakers are gonna have Will Smith
come speak to the group because they bring in the
famous people that do that, and Lebron walks out. He
doesn't want to be there. He ends up being pulled
back in by Darwin Ham and then what Wilfay has
done and Lebron asks a million questions as it's happening.
(23:38):
Westbrooki is growing curious just watching it, and later say
so a teammate I hate that takes stuff. I can't
stand it. Right. And there's a picture you could get
a picture of the Lakers posted the team picture that
day of Westbrook of the whole team with Will Smith,
and you can see Westbrook's coowling. They're just angry and
he's right. The part I found fascinating. And you know,
I'm in my mentions yesterday and I'm looking because I'm vain.
(23:59):
Obviously I try all I mentioned, and most of the
most of the commentary is like, yeah, team Ross, go
get him Lebronz of phony, Team Ross, and you can.
I have no issue with that, And there's plenty of
examples like that. The thing that's wild is the Westbrook
Lakers partnership did not fail because Lebron's a phony. It
failed because Russ played awfully. It was a horrible fit
(24:20):
and and showed no willingness to even attempt to adapt, right.
And it's just to me, it's telling that, for whatever
reason is this lebron a lot of fans don't not
only do they not connect with him, but they're bothered
by him, and it's hard to fully explain why. And
that to me, it was just interesting seeing that yesterday
that like.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Go ahead, no, Jeron, here's what we've We've talked about
this a lot on the show. And Jason, who's lived
in Los Angeles whole life, right, I grew up in
southern California. So my feeling towards Lebron and how Lakers
fancy one, it's hard because he wasn't always arrival, was
(25:00):
really a rival to Kobe okay, but he was a
star that took up attention from Kobe, and for whatever reason,
Laker fans view him as a kind of arrival and
now we got to cheer from. It's a lot like
when the Chargers came to town and they're playing in Carson, Like,
wait a second, Carson is Raider territory and now the
rivals like our home team. That doesn't make sense. That's
(25:22):
a little bit of it. And I've just always felt
like a lot of the other things he's done, he
was It was one of his first couple of years
with the Lakers. You know, he get hurt, then he
had the wine. Nobody does that when he's on the bench.
There was the time when they had the All Star
Game in Cleveland and he openly talked about going back
(25:42):
to Cleveland. To end his careers like you're a Laker,
you don't do No one doesn't want to end their
career with the Lakers. And so here's how we worded it.
He plays for the Lakers. It's gonna be the what
the second longest tenure because the combined tenures of Cleveland.
But no one who's a true Laker fan views him
(26:02):
as a Laker. He's simply a guy who played for
the Lakers. Does that make sense?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
You know it's not. I completely agree. And by the
way we in the book, I write about the Kobe
Lebron's economy like that there was always It's not only
that he was a challenger. They approached they approached everything
completely differently. So Kobe, Kobe wasn't leaking, and Kobe didn't
understand Lebron like that, Like Kobe wouldn't link up with
friends Lebron. Does you know Kobe was all enemies Lebron's buddies,
(26:28):
guys on their teams. Lebron has interest outside of basketball,
doesn't mean he takes basketball. You know, you can't do
what he's done for longevity and not take a seriously.
But Kobe was all about basketball. Even the approach on
the court, like you know, Kobe will shoot over three guys.
Lebron passed the open guy, right And even with a
Nike I read about this, they kind of they there
was different wings, right, like if they hung out with
different people, were operated by different people. So one hundred
(26:49):
percent you saw that when Lebron came and Lakers fans
are defacing murals. It's just so interesting and weird. And
the part that what Lebron was robbed of the fact
that the twenty twenty title happened in the bubble without fans,
and then there's no parade that would change everything because
that's an emotional connection point that could form things and
(27:10):
that that did not exist, and that's just and that's
where you're right, right, So the fact that his high
point of the franchise happened literally in a bubble, it
changes history on that and I do, yeah, it'd be
interesting sliding doors moment if it was like if that's
if he wins the title in front of fans and
it's a parade, and I wonder if things are different.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
After best guess is this Lebron's last year?
Speaker 7 (27:31):
So my answer is to this, I don't know, but
I genuinely don't think he knows, right. I think that's
what we're kind of seeing now, where he's trying to
figure out what he wants to do next. We've seen
him with the contract stuff, and he's clearly not happy
that he's not on an expiring contract, and I feel
like he feels a little boxed in because he's going
to want to do a farewell tour, but he's not
going to do it for some random team, and he
(27:51):
wants to get paid right. He's big on I don't
take pay cuts anymore. I think hes he represents the
player for us like that. So if this comes down
to the Lakers and Cavs, those are, to me are
the only two teams I could see him playing for.
And I genuinely I thought, honestly, I had not just
the book coming out, and it would have been good
for me. I think, like I thought this was going
to be it. I really did, but I also assumed
(28:13):
that I could be wrong. I always assumed that he
would announce his final season before the season started, right
like they would just be a giant's farewell tour like that,
And the fact that he hasn't done that yet makes
me think we're getting another year at least, but I yeah,
that's fine. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
The book is called a Hollywood Ending the Dreams and
Drama of the Lebron Lakers. Your own Weizman is the author. Heye,
you can pick it up at wherever you get books
of course audio books as well. Your own great stuff. Man.
Everybody's talking about it. Can't wait to read it. Thank
you for being our guest.
Speaker 7 (28:44):
Thanks dog, I appreciate you. Good talking.
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Speaker 6 (30:21):
Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. This is Tuesday morning Quarterback
in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
Who don't wanna go out back in the afternoon? You know, Dan,
I'm gonna give you a first crack at this thing
because I know how like you just you're watching all
this game Sunday, you know you can only talk about
so many Then Monday we get to the leads, whatever
there's you have so much that ends up on the
cutting room floor. What's the one story that you most
(30:59):
think we have missed collectively as national media and you
want to get to it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well, I don't know if it's categorized as that, but
I do think that it needs to be talked about
because we look at the worst teams in the NFL,
as the Jets because they're zero to seven, or the
Titans because they're one and six and fired their head coach.
Something happened on Sunday as I was watching the early
window of games and saw that the Raiders in the
(31:26):
fourth quarter had just three first downs against the Kansas
City Chiefs in their game, and I just thought, my goodness,
that is absurd. Kansas City dominated that game. I saw
clip yesterday of Gardner Minshew, Chiefs backup quarterback taking a
knee with two and a half minutes left in that contest?
(31:48):
Why why rub it in even more? For Andy Reid
and then Doug Last night when I was doing my
I Want Your Flex podcast. I went I looked at
the team stats in that game just for a second
and saw, wait a second, the Raiders ended up with
only three first downs in that game against Kansas City.
(32:09):
Gino Smith had sixty seven yards passing in that game.
They held the ball for a whopping seventeen minutes and
fifty two seconds, completely outclassed by the Chiefs. But the
amazing thing is is, I think the Raiders are one
of the three worst teams in the National Football League,
and we just aren't talking about them because of how
(32:31):
bad the Jets have been and the Titans firing their coach,
And maybe we're clouded by a Week one win against
the Patriots, which I think we now look back and say,
how in the world did that happen? But the Pete
Carroll era to try to turn things around is not happening.
There is no ground game with Chip Kelly as their
(32:51):
offensive coordinator. And now if you just wonder have the
Raiders has the game passed Pete Carroll and everybody by like,
this is not the start you would want if you're
a Silver and Black fan, and they do not have
hope on the way. Aside from brock Bauers, hopefully getting
healthy for them.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Besides that, though, how was the show.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Third west worst point differential in the National Football League?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
The Raiders commitment to excrement, the raid, the commitment to
extra true, Jay Stou, I think that there is a
hold on, hold on, hold on, where's your signature line?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Okay, well, so hold on, hold on, allow me to
explain to the listener the evolution of my line. The
evolution of my line entails one thing. It entails a
fairly lengthy introduction from Doug. So when Doug starts to
introduce me, I cut him off. But Doug, knowing that
(33:58):
I have an introductory line, goes to me very fast
with these the least amount of words for me to
cut him off on. So now the fund's over. There's
no more fun. So I'm just gonna go along with
my Tuesday morning quarterback topic.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Doug.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Sorry, I had to. Okay, anybody who Choseuon Barkley in
the top five or six picks of their fantasy draft
knows exactly where I'm coming from. Saquon Barkley was a
player that probably won you your fantasy league last season.
Remember he was I think like a second round pick.
(34:39):
Joel Shane chose to let him go to the Eagles
and all that and became the offensive player of the
Year and everything else. The stats this year through seven
weeks are astounding. And we're talking about, if you want
to give it contrast, we're talking about a year where
the familiar running good seasons. Running back, Yeah, Christian McCaffery.
(35:05):
We just saw Jamar Gibbs last night. Last night was awesome,
James Cook, Jean Robinson, dependable, and then you throw in
randoms like Rico Dowdell and Javonte Williams.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
What's the running back? Did you say Swift? I'm sorry.
With the Bears, he had like one hundred and twenty
seven yards rushing.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
DeAndre Swift is another. Yeah, But for whatever reason, Saquon
Barkley is not has not joined that collection of running
backs having amazing seasons. You could put the I guess
the blame of Kevin Patullo. He's the new offensive coordinator
for the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Now listen, hold on. I'm I'm I hated interrup but
I'm gonna interrupt. Hold on, hold on, do you remember
the discussion everyone had We had a little different discussion
on the running backs, and at the end of the
year last year like, well, clearly the owners were wrong
and these guys are worth it. And my whole point
was the argument wasn't over paying guys for a year.
(36:00):
It wasn't really overpaying guys for two years. It was
how much you would pay them and for how long.
The fight for Saquon Barkley was over a second and
a third year guaranteed at what amount? And the Eagles
redid his deal in the offseason, and now here we
are in the second year of what would have been
a three year deal and he's fallen off. That's the problem.
(36:22):
It's really hard to be really consistent once you get
into your late twenties in the NFL. Sorry go ahead, Jameson.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
But I would say that the old cliche of the
squeaky wheel gave the oil yep, so much real estate,
so much oxygen has been taken up over A J.
Brown and his complaints. How do we get aj involved?
And Saquan has been silent the entire time. He's been
a supportive, good teammate. He's the one after games that
(36:53):
talks about winning is all that matters, and just to
give the listener just kind of a look see of
how bad has it been. Of the twenty four running
backs who have at least seventy five carries this season,
Barkley ranks dead last three point three yards of carry.
Barkley averaged five point eight yards of carry just a
(37:14):
year ago. Last year he ran for one hundred and
twenty five yards a game. This year fifty two. So
if there is an indictment on this offense, I know
AJ Brown gets a lot of the oxygen. Kevin Patula
needs to find a way to get Saquon Barkley loose,
because I would disagree with Doug on this. It's only
been a year. I don't think that there's been a
(37:36):
massive degrading of talent or speed in just a year.
Something's going on in this offense that isn't just AJ
Brown Oriental, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Their offensive line is banged up, played without Cam Jurgens
their center. There's also the Jalen Hurts question as well.
And if I'm a defense and I'm trying to key
on some thing, I'm keying on Saquon Barkley. Also from
a fantasy football perspective, which I think we all have
Jalen Hurts also will take away carry's at the goal line.
(38:11):
So if Saquon isn't breaking away for eighteen and twenty
and fifty yard touchdown runs like he did last season,
then he's not going to be as effective in the
stat column or for your fantasy team. And he also
hasn't been that effective as a receiver out of the backfield.
So it's been a variety of things that have caused
(38:32):
to decline the Saquon Barkley Then I don't even think
that we can necessarily pin on him as being the reason.
Speaker 8 (38:40):
Sam Well, I just wanted to add on that the
buzzards of the NFL media have moved on from the
passing game of the Eagles to the running game of
the Eagles, and every week there's some kind of issue
and whether they win or lose. But now I understand
what you guys are saying. Their offense is dysfunctional, and
so it's one week, it's something works one week or
all the weeks. I guess the running game in Saquon
(39:01):
Barkley don't work. I rolled these drops in. Can I
just say something because I think that's an interesting point.
Is we sit there and we complain about your whole deal.
At Jason's point of AJ Brown's taking up so much
error in the room and Jalen Hurts and how we
look at him as a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Is he a top five quarterback? Like they won the
Super Bowl because of Saquon, Like that's the reason why
in their offensive line. But last week against Minnesota, guess what,
both DeVante Smith and AJ Brown over one hundred yards.
Huge games, and you would think that everything is solved.
But to Jason's point, it's not solved. And now we're
distracted because guess what, Brandon Graham's coming out of retirement.
(39:42):
So when we're talking about the Eagles, it feels like
we're grabbing all of the wrong points and it should
just be like, get Saquon on track, get your offensive
line healthy, and then maybe you could try to repeat sorry, Sam, go.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Ahead, go ahead, Sammy, Jef some else.
Speaker 8 (40:00):
No, I had my own thing, but no, it's I mean, yeah, well,
just a pivot here. I rolled these drops in after
the Indiana fever really pushed the Las Vegas Aces, who
eventually won the WNB Championship, pushed them to overtime in
Game five of the semi finals. I rolled these drops
in because the Indian NA fear would just not go away.
(40:21):
These are from a couple of my favorite movies, Batman
Forever and Austin Powers.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Too, Why to Die?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Why won't You Die? Now?
Speaker 8 (40:31):
I'm not wishing violence on anyone here, This is just figurative,
a fun little exercise here. The New England Patriots dominated
the NFL for twenty years and to quote two face,
why won't you go away?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (40:48):
The I often think that the gods, the cosmos of
of sports, the gods of deciding who wins and who
loses and who has long you know, dynasties, that that
Lord works in mysterious ways. I don't understand it, because
the Patriots dominated the NFL for twenty years, and they
were only really down for three seasons, and now they're
(41:10):
back with a head coach who has that twenty year
run DNA woven into his entire structure of how he
does things. And now it looks like the Patriots are back. Okay,
if you have it, twenty years of dominating and winning
what six Super Bowl titles? A lot of fans, especially
fans of of really downtrodden organizations like the Browns or
the Bills, they say, well, why not us, It's our time.
(41:33):
And now it looks like the Bill's window is closing
because the Patriots are back. They're back on top in
the AFC East, and you just have to wonder why
is it. It's because of good ownership. As long as
Robert Kraft is around, it seems like the Patriots are
going to be competitive.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
But you're really you're giving, you're giving craft.
Speaker 8 (41:48):
I think I think ownership matters a lot. We were
talked about the Eagles. Jeffrey Lourie, I think is one
of the best owners in sports. I think if your
your your owners are really invested and they're really you know,
connected with the team, that they're going to find reasons
and ways to get your team back on top.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
And I'm help you out here. Sure owners should just
need to hire good people.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Well but yeah, that's not but that that's hard, Okay,
Like like.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Craft doesn't have anything to do with football, and you know,
they hired a guy who was completely an app last
year and you know, with the same quarterback they they
they managed to kind of figure it out that.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Though, you know, I will say the way the Craft
is massaged their down years though is really that impressive,
very impressive.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yes, he's been an adult about those massages. Yes.
Speaker 8 (42:36):
So the Patriots, I mean, we don't know if they're
going to go on and win the Super Bowl or what.
What Mike Rabel's coaching ten year is going to look
like in you know, five seven.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Years their quarterback and there they go, they're good.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
They got a dude, and you know, you just you're like,
you know, I Will won two Rose Bulls in nineteen
fifties and then they had twenty years of darkness.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
That's the suffering I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And it's not fair.
Speaker 8 (42:56):
It's not fair that the Patriots are back on top.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
I think it's a great point.
Speaker 8 (43:00):
Good morning, Hawaii, it's ten to fifteen in the morning.
I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
I actually think that they remind me of when the
Yankees when Aaron Judge was a rookie and you're like, oh,
well that could this be a likable Yankees team and
then like that got over with really quick. I think
that this is a likable Patriots team, but if they
continue to win, that'll probably end up ending pretty quickly.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Why Won't You Die?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I love that movie, Sam. Do you know how much
I like the Austin Powers movies.
Speaker 8 (43:28):
And not sure I've gathered you do like him because
I played you know, his drops pretty frequently and you
seem to respond. So we talked about Austin Powers the
franchise quite a bit on this show.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm gonna there's two quarterbacks and they played last night
and it was a super super ugly game. But I
don't want to lose sight of of two things. The Texans,
there's a bunch of stuff work. You know, you have
a coach who a couple of years ago, I felt like, man,
(43:59):
they found their co they found their guy, like he's
their rable, played their linebacker really good, came from San Francisco,
immediately made the playoffs. And then you have this quarterback
in CJ. Stroud, who great year at Ohio State. But
there's some people myself include, like is he that good
or is it they're just so much better than everybody
(44:20):
they're playing. He was just okay last year and he
was probably below average last night. Then they got Nick Chubb,
who's like, at twenty nine, I don't know if he's
rushed for more than seventy yards in the game. He
hasn't broken one hundred in the game. So it's like
all these three things happening, where sophomore is slump from
Stroud is kind of seemingly extended a little bit. There's
(44:45):
just not the same something from the coaching staff. And
then you know you're built around this running game and
Nick Chubb and Nick Chubb is the shell of his
former self. I know the Texans being mid maybe hasn't
discussed enough. And then the other side, look again, it
was an ugly football game, ugly ugly. But Sam Donald's
(45:10):
team is five and two, and for a guy that
has been written off much like his predecessor in Seattle,
he hadn't written back then, right back. Everyone knows that
me and uh Daniel Jeremiah and to a slightly lesser extent,
cow heard huge. Sam Donald fans huge, still holding stock
(45:34):
and he's not the star that his stats said he
was last year. But he's definitely not a bum, definitely
not a bust. And I think he's plenty good enough
to get that team to the playoffs. And do you disagree?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
I think there'll be a playoff team. I just thought
there were Sam Donald moments that happened in last night's game.
They do happen a lot worried about.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, they do happen there. It is a real thing,
and you're you're, you're right to say it. I think
he's a better version of what he used to be,
but he still does regress on some of them. That
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