October 23, 2025 • 48 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug and the crew discuss the news that Hall of Famer and current head coach Chauncey Billups and current player Terry Rozier have been arrested in gambling inquiries.
Doug welcomes former World Series Champion and current MLB analyst AJ Pierzynski to breakdown the World Series.
Doug and the crew address the newest details in the gambling case involving members of the NBA.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a spectacular day. There is no doubt in my mind.
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I really want to talk about, which is Victor woman
Yamm dropping forty on twenty one shots last night, Like wow,
oh my god, he's as good as people thought he
could be. But that's not the story of the day.
That's not the job of Fox Sports Radio have opinions
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on things that matter, and you can't. We can't go
with even last night's stories or the day before stories.
The story is that, as you've heard all day long,
Chouncey Billups, Terry Rozier among like thirty people arrested by
the FBI. I don't do I think the headlines are interesting. Yes,
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I actually think some of the details in some of
these stories are more interesting than like, I don't know
what Chauncey Billups did. I know Chauncey. I played basketball
with him when we were in high school. He stayed
in my house. We've remained friendly, but we're not like boys.
That doesn't mean I'm disineing myself. I'm just saying I
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have no idea what he did. Terry Rozier obviously a
lot of that, but the details are really interesting. First,
we play a couple things for you. Here's Cash Bettel,
who's the FBI's director, at a press conference Ruler.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Today, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, and Terry
Rozier were taken into custody today former current NBA players
and coaches. What you don't know is that this is
an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned
the course of years. The FBI led a coordinative takedown
across eleven states to arrest over thirty individuals today responsible
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for this case, which is very much ongoing. Not only
did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed
on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also
entered and executed a system of justice against La Casinosha
to include the Bonano, Gambino, Genevesi and Luchase crime family.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I do wish he went Italian pronunciation right, Like somewhere
back there there's going like, hey, it's a lutey, it's
a luciano. Good Like this deck can't pronounce nothing already,
I thought, buyer when I read this that Billips and
Damon Jones, they're accused of using their celebrity to lure
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people into a playing game poker game that was rigged
by the mafia. The mafia allegedly, this is my favorite
part of the story. They use sophisticated cheating technologies. Now,
all of a sudden, you got Jason Stewart's attention, because
he's like, hey, this sounds like the Astros. I hate Springer,
I hate Springer anyway, including shuffling machines that could read
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the cards in the deck, poker chip trays with hidden cameras,
special contact lenses, and glasses that could read pre marked
cards at an X ray table that could read cards
face down on the table. Once a so called fish
a whale if they're you know, really valuable lost. The
mafia used extortion and violence to make sure they paid
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their gambling debts. Noicella said. Investigators found the scheme involved
members of Yeah, the Banano, the Menano, the Cambino, the Chase,
c the gifcik Krime families. Right Like, it's the one
time I'd love to say that they're not Italian mafia families,
but they're all Italian last names. I can't make that up.
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I thought that that part to me. And then the
idea that that Terry Rogier told a buddy he's gonna
leave a game early with a knee injury. There's video
of that game which he was, and he to bet
the under, and then the guy collected the winnings and
then came over and cut up the under with him.
Those are the parts to me that are more interesting
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than the actual headlines. How about you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Byer, Well, yeah, I think that they would be, I mean,
because the details get into all the nitty gritty stuff.
But I also look at it and say that I
feel that Terry Rosier's role is separate from how I
view Jones and how I specifically view Billups, because Billups is,
I mean, he's a Hall of Fame player, Chauncey Billups
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was a guy who did media. It's this mask that
you had no idea that you never would have guessed
was behind all of this, and to the point of
suckering people into rigged poker games so he could get
a cut. I think when sports gambling became legal, we
wondered that if guys would doctor their minutes, if they
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would fake an injury, And we've seen that so far
with Johntay Porter, and now we've seen it with Terry Rozier.
So I think Roseyeer's part is separate from what Phillups is.
But the other thing in the article done by ESPN
and what the FBI has revealed is with Damon Jones,
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who had a close relationship with Lebron. James Lebron is
now while he's not named, not a part of this
becomes a part of this because the FBI found that
Jones had given information that Lebron was not going to
play a game for the Lakers against the Milwaukee Bucks
in twenty twenty three, And so now it's where do
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all these tentacles go? So that is obviously the biggest
story is in all the details. It's now how where
all these cracks and all these leaks end up trickling
down to, maybe to the greatest player of all time,
who we don't know if Lebron had any role in
all of this right now. He doesn't. But I was
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shocked by Chauncey Billups. So now I'm not going to
put anything past anybody in talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, it's Chase do what what what most intrigues you
about these stories?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Just the line that you had read about the extortion
and the leveraging of people that are losing a lot
of money. That's that's what Adam Silver should be most
concerned about. When people involved in his league that have
direct chances of, you know, determining the outcome of games
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and these prop bets, when they get leveraged, when they
get compromised due to violence or financial leverage what they
will do to get out of that compromise. I think
that people kind of lose sight of that, like this
isn't just a gambling story. And I think the casual
nature of this is like, you know, sports gambling is legal,
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what's the problem here? I mean, sports gambling's legal. What's
the problem is when these uh, when these types of
people that have been doing this for decades and decades
get leverage on people that can determine games, and then
you have all these people with access to these prop bets.
I kind of want to go back to a piece
of sound. Michael Porter did a did a podcast in
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August on one night with Steiny, and remember we played
it on the podcast. And what strikes you most about
this sound isn't what Porter's saying as much as how
he is saying it, how casual he is saying it,
which tells you this has talked about all the time
among NBA teams.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Think about it. You get mad at these dudes like
they do the sports betting, but think about it, if
you could get all your homies rich by telling him, Yo,
ten thousand dollars I'm under you know this one game,
I'm gonna act like I got an injury and I'm
gonna sit out. I'm gonna come out after three minutes,
and they all get a little bad because you did
it one game like that is so not okay. But
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some people probably think like that. They come from nothing
and all their homies have nothing, and they're like, bro,
if I if I come out of this game after
three minutes, y'all all hit on my under We're all
getting a little back.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I just think Adam Silver should be like stunned by
the casual nature of that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I agree with you. Oh hey, wait what happened yesterday?
That's right, the NCAA approved the ability for coaches like
myself and for student athletes to gamble on professional sports.
What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong?
You know, it's really interesting the sports gambling aspect to it,
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which is like we it's like we try and avoid
the human nature of it. Jason, you and I we've
all seen this coming. And and the gambling companies, by
the way, that even support the show in this network, right, Like,
I'm not going to sit here and lie to you
tell you that we're the only reason we still exist
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is because of gambling, right, the reason the NFL is
so up here is because of gambling. But just like
anything it, it is a drug, okay, and people cannot
control it. Just like there's a percentage of people that
I can have a beer or two beers. I'm good
if I'm not driving and it's a night when I
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want to I'm good, like, but I'm not gonna wake
up the next day thinking I gotta have another beer.
I gotta have another drink. If I have more than
two beers to night, I will wake up tomorrow going
I'm not drinking for a month, Like I just don't
feel great, like you know whatever. That's just how I'm wired.
But many people wake up thinking when can I When
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is the moment where five o'clock hits and I can
get to my next drink. And then there's some people
that wake up at first thing in the morning like
I just got to have a drink to good work. Right,
that's that gene or whatever, the disease of alcoholism. What's
the same thing with gambling. Same thing with gambling. And
you know, there's no life for it, there's no training
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course for it. You can do it on your phone,
and just like anything else, you'll get that immediate rush
and high and make a little money and be like
this is easy. Now you're gonna lose money. That's how
it works. It's just a case of can you are
you losing the type money that you can say, hey,
it was entertaining, it was fun, and then I won
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a little bit. But yeah, people will do evil things
to not get exposed, not just for gambling, but for
losing massive sums of money. And once you once you
pick up that phone, once you answer, once you say
I don't have enough money to cover this debt, you
will do anything to get out of it. And then
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once you try and do anything to get out of it,
now they got you and they can do anything they
want to you because you don't want to get exposed
because you'll never be able to work in your sport again.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Go ahead, Dan, It's funny because and I'm even looking
up at my screen right now. And at one point
Harry Rosier was investigated by the NBA and found no wrongdoing.
Think how crappy is your investigation? Then now if you
found no wrongdoing, but now the FBI is like, uh yeah,
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here was a time where thirty bets were placed on
Terry Rozier numbers, which is my point. I think when
gambling became illegal or became legal, we thought I thought,
I think other people think this way that it's all right,
you're picking the Knicks to beat the Calves, and if
Donovan Mitchell throws away a basketball late, oh maybe that's
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him fixing the game. But the fact that there are
lines on what Terry Rosier does is the problem because
I'll I had this conversation within the last couple of weeks.
I said, you're not going to have a superstar or
a main game be the way that you make money
on this. What it's going to be is something subtle
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and it's something little. And the reason that they were
set off or tipped off to this the sports was
the sports books were because of the unusual high activity
towards Terry Rozier's number on that night. And to me,
what an atrocious plan. Like the documentary about whatever went
down with Chauncey Billups and how Damon Jones was involved
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in that, that's gonna be fascinating. This Terry Roseer stuff
is silly to me, considering that it seems it would
be pretty obvious that Terry Roseer is getting all this action,
maybe some things awry here and the fact that we
actually have lines on Terry rose Heer, Like it's not
just over unders and it's how many points is lebron
gonna have or how many points is Covin Durant gonna have?
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Like we're going down to Terry Roseer and that's where
the money is made. That's the part where I think
when this was all made legal, we didn't realize and
how deep this could go. And I think this is
a perfect example because it just looks pretty stupid to
me that people think that Terry Roseier and those people
could get away with that. You guys agree, like, I mean, well.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I totally agree. I completely agree, completely agree. And I
and the idea that who's gonna notice they all notice?
It's not Do you remember the Alabama baseball coach who
got fired a couple of years ago, right because he
called his buddy in Indiana and he said the starters
out and they put like twenty grand on the game,
Like it's just a little Yeah, the people don't bet
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twenty grand on Alabama baseball game. Course it's sent off alarms.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, that's why the Packers and the Cowboys they're bet
the most right because of the most popular teams, there's
an actual feeling for them. Why would there be any
feeling towards Terry Rozier's line that night and have it
all end up being unders.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I I think there's also a point because I hear
this from some guys who look at all this and say, well,
the system's working for gambling, the bad actors are getting caught.
But I I not to get political, but like, I'm
pretty sure the same thing was said about Watergate back
in the I'm pretty sure that was exact line. It's like, well,
the systems working, we're catching corruption, but it keeps. When
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you're in a pr battle like something like the NBA
is where it is you want to because there is
a magic to sport. You have to convince everyone it's
all on the up and up at all times. Yeah,
And the more times this happens in public, the more
cracks and that happen until nobody believes you anymore correct.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And that point, it's a great point, and it's the
old It's why the Donneghey thing has done so much
harm to this league. And here's here's that this works
in concert with what we'll talk about in the pod, Chris,
what you and I discussed. The first two nights of
the NBA have been great. Even Jason Stewart was like,
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I actually liked watching an NBA game, and Jason had
been like, I'm done, Like I don't you know, but
if you watch Oklahoma City play, those guys play hard
kind of ego lists, the Rockets are a fun watch.
Those two games the first night were great. Last night,
Victor webin Yama scored forty points and twenty one shots,
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thoroughly dominate. Looks like forget, but the next star he
looks like a star. And after two really good nights
of play, now all of a sudden, the ship is
taking on a ton of water. And even though none
of the allegations involved affecting the actual outcome of a game, right,
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just like when you get a new iPhone, you can
get your iPhone seventeen, right, you got to click on
all the things that you're agreeing to. We read you
know again. The parts that jumped out to me are
the X ray table, the hidden camera, the special contact lenses. Right,
that's the stuff. I'm like, dude, this is like a movie.
This stuff really exists. Unbelievable to the average fan, Like
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of course the NBA. They're throwing games. They don't care,
doesn't matter, They're not reading any of these details. This
does I don't want to. I don't know if I would.
The word are reparabules too, but it does a ton
of damage to what Chris Prefett is talking about the
credibility of the league. And that's that's a hard one
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to come back from. This From the NBA, we're in
the process of reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry
Rozier and John Spilbs are being placed on immediate lead
from their teams. Will continue to cooperate with the relevant authorities.
We take these allegations with the most seriousness, and the
integrity of our game remains a top priority. This is
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should be. Let's catch up with Aj Perzinski, who of
course won a World Series when they broke the curse
with the uh Chicago White Sox in two thousand and five.
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You can now hear him on Fox Sports. He also
has a podcast called Foul Territory, and he joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I got to ask you
about the story of the day, Aj, Like, obviously, baseball
players a lot of time in your hands, a lot
of time together. Card games are you know everybody knows
guys play cards. Guys play cards. Whatever, these gambling allegations
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in the NBA, and these stories about like Russian mafia
or just old school Italian mafia guys and see through cards,
X ray X ray tables and glasses whenever. What's your
reaction when you hear this story today?
Speaker 8 (18:44):
It's insanity, right, It's absolutely insane. It's insane to me
that this is where we're at in sports, in life.
I mean, didn't I mean, I'm not saying any these
guys did anything, but man, for as much as they
made in their careers, that they really need a couple
hundred an extra.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I guess there's there's never enough or you get
you get in too deep. You know how guys are
they getting too deep? Be like hey, do you want
to come out of your pocket for this? Or you
want to make it up to us and some of
them to help it out there? Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
Well, my question, my question for y'all is like, you know,
my buddy, am I just asking how long ago, like
did you gamble on other sports when you played? And
I was like no, because even if you lose and
you get too far down and you're like, okay, I'm
a couple hundred thousand down, and you know, if you're married,
you don't want to write that check right and have
your wife's seat or make that thanks statement. So if
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someone came to you and they're like, well, if you're
not paying, we're going to break your arm, go after
your family or throw a game, it's you know, just
don't put yourself in that position, is the only thing
I can say.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Again, No, I I get I get it, But yes,
that's why I don't know why they're letting college kids
bet on stuff now can bet on pro sports?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Why wombling everywhere? Something? Gambling is everywhere that's why. And
would you rather listen If it wasn't regulated, Doug, you
know that it wasn't regulated, we'd never know about this.
So thank goodness is regulated, and now we can keep
some sort of an idea of what's happening and try
up police in a little bit if you can, you know,
But like, if it wasn't regulated, we'd never even know
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about this stuff. The same thing about the two guys
in baseball, the two pitchers of the Guardians that threw
the balls, and there was a big thing on them.
If if we didn't have it regulating and it was
just you know, the old bookkeeper, the old booky way,
we never would have known it. Never one would have
ever had any idea that certain things were being accused,
certain guys were being accused of doing certain things that
are just not good.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Ay J. Percinski's our guest here on the Doug Otlief Show,
Let's get to Baseball. World Series is upon us. It's
very easy for those of us who weren't star players
World Series champions to sit there and go, Shay, hey Tani,
greatest performance ever. What what did you think when you
were watching Game four?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Greatest performance I've ever seen in my lifetime, because of
the stage, because of the moment, like he it helped
him get to the World Series. He pitched, and I
know guys have pitched and hit multiple home runs before
in the regular season, but they've never gotten in the person.
(21:11):
You know, had six hittings, ten strikeouts, two hits and
three home runs and one that went out of the stadium.
Like what he seriously is not I mean, people call
me unicorn. He's like an alien. It's like he's the
greatest player, all around player that I've ever seen. As
far as hitting and pitching. I didn't c Bay Bruce,
and there's been some other guys that have tried it,
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but as far as like just the unicorn alien, whatever
you want to call him, he's all those things and
he's the best. I can't even describe how hard it
is to do what he's doing. Hitting is impossible, and
then to throw the pitching on top of it is incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trade that's a
j Perzinski Vlad Junior. And obviously that famous run in
five started with you guys taking down the Angels in five, right,
so we remember Vlad Garret as and I was an
Angel fan, but a baseball fan growing up, going back
to his Expo days, says he was like the best
(22:05):
bad ball hitter in baseball. It felt like the best
place to throw it to vlad Guro is right down
the middle, because it was at his toes. He would
hit it out of the park. It was in his eyes.
He would have hit out of the park right And
and I thought, Jason Stewart's my producer AJ and He's like,
I've been so over the Nepo babies or whatever, but
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here's a dude who has lived up to it, has
lived up and he's been as much as Shoey was
great in one game, he's been amazing the whole playoffs.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Uh, he's been the best hitter. He's been the best
hitter of the entire playoffs. And why does Jase hate
neo babies? I think, you know, his kids must not
be any good at sports or some radio. His kids
must not be good at any good at radio or something.
I don't know. The Baba Chef's pretty good. Some guys
that have been okay is Junior, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Right ball baseball as well. But I'm close with the
Holiday boys. They're awesome. They're awesome as well, awesome kids
and exact and good players exactly.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
So I just I don't know. I mean, if it's
been unbelievable, but but it's the best hitter in baseball
right now in the postseason. What he's cut a strikeout down,
he's cut a swing and miss down, He's locked it
in and he's so fun to watch. I mean, listen,
if you're not a baseball fan, tune in and watch
Blag Guerrero. He's smiling, he's laughing, he's having a good time.
Not in an off putting way at all either. Like
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when I say that, I mean he's literally having a
good time at the right times and handling strikes out
he's like, Okay, I'll get him next time, knowing that
he will. And it's just he's so fun to watch
on defense and they get turned double players and they
get out. You know, he sees the excitement on his face.
He's cheering for his other team, his teammates. I mean,
this dude is everything you can ask for. Oh yeah,
and by the way, he's just signed a five hundred
million dollar contract and he's the face of Canada and
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baseball in Canada.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Rest versus rust, How do you think it's overrated?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
This? I hate this talk. I hate this. You know why,
because in twenty five, twenty years ago, we had all
kinds of time off and you know what, we still
went out and kicked everyone left. So I'm so sick
of the russ. You know who complains about the rust
is a too much rest the team that loses. Yankees
and Dodgers both had time off. They were in the
World Series last year right now. The Dodgers had to
play a wild card game, wildcard round. And you can
argue that it was a scrimmage game because some people
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say that because they played against the Reds. But the
Bluejays had time off and they went out whoop the Yankees, right,
So the Marriers had time off, they beat the They
beat the Tigers, who came in hot. So I just
don't get this argument. It's just because when you lose,
you have to find a reason. It just can't beat
that you just got beat. It's always something this started.
Excuse me. It started in two thousand and six, I
think when the Tigers lost to the Cardinals in that
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World Series and they made a bunch of errors on
the mound and they didn't really hit, but they just
That was when the first tear I ever heard about. Oh,
we had too much rest, but we wanted rest in
the playoffs. Are you kidding me? Because you've got days
off your beat hired like I wanted, especially for my pitchers.
Like we can set a rotation, we can line up
our bullpen, our our hitters, get some days off, we
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can take some you know, scrimmage game stuff like I
wanted the rest. So I just don't believe in that,
And it's one of my least favorite excuses in all sports.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. A. J.
Prazinski is our guest. Dodgers bullpen Game one. It was shaky,
despite the fact Snell was amazing. Uh, they survived it,
but they had such incredible starting pitching. So again, rest
is not an issue there. It's just a matter of
what do they do in seven, eight, and nine. It
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looks like they know who they want in nine. But
you know, he couldn't close out Game one. He stopped
trying him back there. Who's been up and down? What's
your level of confidence in the Dodgers bullpen in the
biggest years.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
In baseball, you don't need a lot if if your
starter to eight and nine like Snelling, Jungloto didn't one
to two and then glassdown did what seven?
Speaker 8 (26:00):
And then show aged six and they had a lead.
I don't know that. Here's my confidence fector I'm popping
in Rokie. I'm confident in Vestia. After that, I don't know.
Can try to do what he did last year? Will
Kershaw be a factor? Will and she and be a
factor bonded to be a factor. Who's it gonna be
that's gonna step up not named Roki and not named
Vestia and get big outs for him. But it's the
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same for the Blue Jays. For me, you have to
have Hoppin, you have to have some other people. But
can the lefties get out the lefties of the Dodgers,
meaning show a Freddie and Max Muncy and they can
they use their lefties properly to get those guys out?
I don't know, But for me, the biggest those are
the two biggest question marks in this series is can
can't which bullpen handles better? And can the Blue Jays
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starting pitchers match the Dodger starting pitchers? As far as
zeros An innings and give their bullpen a chance and
give their kidders a chance to finally break through.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Doug Gottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's it
like to catch the World Series game? To win a
World seraion you or catching? What? What's that like?
Speaker 8 (27:03):
It's the greatest feeling you can ever have as a player,
because team wise, not individual wise, things happen, but team
wise it's more important because everybody remembers, Like, I wasn't
a guy that said any kind of you know, all
time records for home runs or hits or any of
that stuff, but everybody remembers the first question you get.
(27:24):
Nobody nobody ever asked you, Hey, how many hits did
you have? I mean they do, but the first question
you get is do you have a ring? And so
when you get that ring, it's the ultimate like that's
you to everybody, Like, Yeah, I got my ring. You
know you can never take it away from me, no
matter how much you want to say this or that
about me. I always have this ring and it's in
my back pocket and I can always pull it out
(27:46):
as a trump card for anything you want, any other
thing you want to lay at me. So it's the
greatest feeling. And when that final outs happened, I just
remember we were up three oh, and we're winning and
we get to the ninth inning and I'm just in
the back of my mind, I'm just like, this is
really going to happen. I'm really gonna win the World
Series Chicago White Sox thirteen that hasn't won, a city
that hasn't won in eighty eight years, and the party's
(28:06):
going to be unbelievable. And as soon as that final
out made it is, you just think about everybody that
ever helped you along the way and just there's so
much emotion that has led out by everybody. That's why
the parties are so crazy. Yes you're happy, obviously, but
it's just such an outpouring of emotion because of all
the things and all the people and all the steps
you think about that you had to get there. It
just makes it all worth it.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
AJ are the Best Man. A J PRESENTSKI World Series
Champion O five with those White Sox. Of course, you
can check out his podcast called Faull Territory. You see
him on Fox Sports. AJ thanks so much for joining us.
Let's talk as the series rolls on.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Hi Jug who's going to be the coach at OSU.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
At Oklahoma State? Yeah, I think either GJ. Kinney, who's
at Texas State who is a Tulsa quarterback, or Zach Robinson,
who was a quarterback there. His mom was a palm
there and he's the offensive coordina with the Falcons. Those
will be my two early leans.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
I'm not telling me who's going to coach Florida, please,
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean, you know, that's one of those. It's so weird.
They just haven't been able to figure out since Urban, right, Oh,
I know, Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know
how you do it there. I mean, I look. My
thing would be this when hiring college coaches. Again, this
is from experience now taking over a basketball program, you
gotta hire. I even think hiring Zach, and I love Zach.
(29:27):
He's a great dude. But if you hire him, you
got to have that plan in place now because when
the portal opens, it's kind of too late. Those guys
are already spoken for, and you gotta have a plan
in place for the portal because you can't just pick players.
You gotta have an identity of Hey, we're gonna play
this way and here's the guys who're gonna get So
(29:49):
if whoever you hire, they got to have their staff
kind of in place for these last three or so
weeks of the season so that they're up and running,
and then the second the portal hits, they've already have moment.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
They're smart, Doug, is anyone I've told you a pretty
smart about this college stuff?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, except for I won four games last year, So
what the hell do I What the hell do I know?
Ay J, you're the best man. I appreciate you join us.
It is a difference, but it's the same thing though,
it's the same thing. Dan, Hey, speaking of portal, did
you hear this is Kelvin Sampson yesterday head coach of
Houston obviously lost the National Championship game. This is uh,
this is Kelvin Sampson talking about the transfer portal.
Speaker 10 (30:27):
But at some point somebody's got to step up and
say this is wrong. It's not what we signed up for.
It's not what they signed up for. That's not fair
to them either. It's not fair of their parents. You know,
we're still at an educational institution, but there's nothing educational
about college basketball right now. It's all transactional. And then
we go put our head in the sand in that like,
(30:47):
well it'll change eventually. Think how many ads five years
ago said, ah, this will play out, This won't last.
Same guys are saying it today. This won't last. It's
gonna outlast all of us. That toothpaste is out of
the tube and you ain't put in the back ass
and a control it. But what can you control it?
You can control that transfer port and I'm adamant that
(31:11):
we are positively impact in lives. If we tell a
kid that he's has to set out for a year, transfer,
you get one transfer anywhere you want with no penalty,
transfer and go play right away. But you can't do
that every year.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Completely agree, Completely agree. You know, I don't even love
the play right away, but transfer and and after that
if you have to sit out, I guess you could
have him sit out right and you can't hold guy's hostage.
But the the the multiple transfers is what makes it
really really difficult. It does. I just don't know if
(31:54):
it'll hold up in court. Right That's like kind of
the big thing is you'd have to have. All of
these things have to be collectively bargained, and then you
have a contract. The contract has to have a non
compete clause, and there has to be a buyout of
those contracts. Most of the new contracts in college basketball
for freshmen high level freshmen are two year contracts because
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the expectations are they don't play their first year and
people don't want to invest money in somebody the first
year and then lose them in the second year.
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Uh so the big story of the day, this is
a gigantic story. Is this gambling probe and uh it's
got wire tapping, fraud, racketeering. Here, here's a question, just
(33:21):
a question to you guys. Do you guys know what
racketeering is? We use the racketeering term all the time.
Do you know what racketeering is? Chase doo? Are you
do you?
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Are?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
You?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Do you know racketeering? What it actually means?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It has something to do with money, an organized crime,
like trying to get money out of people somehow.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, I mean it's basically extortion. Right, extortion is another
year for racketeering. It's it's uh uh god, how to
how to describe it? Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Fire, Yeah, No, I was just gonna say, why do
you do that to us? Like, why do you try
to Why don't you just tell us what racketeering is?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
He did this?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
We don't necessarily know, Like I thought, racketeering is rigging
a system. That's what I think of it as it's
a racket, right, That's where the term, ah it's a
racket comes from. But it's one of those words that
we all use or we all repeat, and I don't
think most of us know it. I'm gonna tell you
(34:22):
myself included right like racketeers. I'm looking this up in
Wikipedia is a type of organized crime in which the
perpetrators set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, and otherwise the illegal,
coordinated scheme or operation. So it's like, when you put
everything together, right, that's racketeering. That's a racket. That's when
(34:44):
the term rigged is. It's when it's all put together.
It's like, Dan, you and I were both aligned on
the part of this story which is the most interesting
is the line that I was reading where where you know,
they use these special card counters right where they could
(35:05):
mark cards, they had X ray poker tables. You're like what,
And then when they would when people would owe them money,
then they would you know, threaten violence if they didn't pay,
and they would extort them with illegal gambling. All of
that is racketeering. It's like when you put in every
one of those little factors thort a grand scheme, that's racketeering.
(35:27):
That's where the term it's a racket comes from. And
I'll bet there's a lot of people going like, hey,
I've used that term, it's a racket. I didn't know,
and I've used racketeering before and I didn't actually truly
knew what it meant. But that's what I was doing
when when we were talking with I was looking at
what racketeering is? What changes because of this? Dan Byer like,
(35:49):
what happens? What's the reaction to this story?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, I think there's a there's a lot and I'll
even Jason passed along something that Mike Florio had tweeted about,
which is what I said in our first hour. What
did he say that the the trimming down of prop
bets could end up happening from from sports books.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, he said something like in the states that sports
gambling is legal, they will make prompt bets illegal.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I just I don't understand why there are why there
are lines on Terry Rosier stats.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It comes from fantasy football and fantasy and then became
fantasy basketball that people were basically betting on this forever
and they're like, hey, you know people want to bet
on it, let's let's bet on it. And yeah, it's
a complete and abject disaster. Who could have seen it coming. Everybody, everybody,
because so much of it's so controllable by the person.
(36:45):
And I think the assumption, and I think it's an
arrogant assumption that were like, these guys make too much
money to ever get involved in this stuff, right, that's
the that's the thought. But how much money you make
that it just increases the volume of what you're gonna
do to bet right, you're trying to you're trying to
(37:06):
unleash that dopamine, you know, this risky behavior, Jay Stu
Outside of the prop bets, does what else changes?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Does this story change anything?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Probably not. I hope it would. I hope it would.
But uh, you mentioned what what's his name, Donaghue Donneghee's story. Yeah, yeah,
we all thought that was going to change the world,
and it didn't. I don't know, I don't know what
would like If you were to ask the average NBA fan,
or you're gonna stop watching the sport, or you're gonna
stop going to games, stop buying the March because of
(37:41):
something like this, I think ninety nine percent of people
would say no. That's the weird thing about this is
that the FBI is taking this very serious, and they're
gonna convict people that are guilty of crimes, federal crimes.
I just don't know if you're the consuming public is
going to change the way they consume the sport.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I do think that when we talk about the Tim
Donahue situation, we look at it like we do the
David Stern frozen envelope deal with Patrick Ewing, where we
think this stuff isn't on the up and up because
it quote benefits the NBA, right like this, this is
what the NBA wants. The NBA didn't want Sacramento in
(38:20):
the NBA Finals. They wanted the Lakers in the NBA finals.
So that's where I think that this is, well, maybe
all under the same umbrella, this is a different portion
of it because I don't know what the motivation is
to where you would keep Sacramento out of an NBA finals.
But if we're betting on Terry Rozier's stats, who is
(38:43):
that really benefiting? Like I always felt that the rig
notion of it was not that we looked at money
but just on team's success. Oh, it's better for the
NBA when the Lakers win NBA titles so they can
make more money. That's how I feel. Generally, we looked
at the NBA being fixed, not not in a way
that could screw us or screw other betters. So that's
(39:05):
what I think is is unique about this. I think
it's different. I just I don't know, to your guy's point,
what else can be done. I just don't think that
they're necessarily the same.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Does Chauncey Phillips regain his position as head coach of.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
The not a chance?
Speaker 8 (39:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Hold on, yeah, okay, I believe you, and I genuinely
agree with you, But let me pitch something to you here. Okay,
we're reading an indictment, an indictment, we're reading what they
have on him, and so what they're saying was he
was he got people to join this poker game, which
was a rigged poker game. He'd use his celebrity status, Hey,
(39:43):
you should play poker with my guys. They played this
rig poker game, and then they cut him in on
fifty grand from the poker game. That's how read to me?
Is that how read? You d Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And then he even took part in some of these games.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Right, Okay, the question becomes did he can they prove
that he knew it was rigged or was this just
a like anything. He's mister big shot, He's Johncey Billups. Listen,
all you gotta do is play in this poker game.
We're gonna give you fifty grand. That's it. That's all
you gotta do. So that that's there becomes the plausible deniability.
(40:17):
Do I think they would arrest him without like a
text message that shows that he knew. I'm guessing they
probably have some evidence pointing to it. If they don't
have evidence that he knew, he will coach again in
the NBA. If they have evidence that he knew it
was a rigged game, he will never coach again in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, he also he also has been connected to There
was some information that he told somebody that the Blazers
were tanking and that they were not going to have
four players play in a game, and there was unusual
betting activity surrounding that. Yeah, yeah, I just I don't
think Johnson Billips is gonna have any friends, at least
(40:58):
the ones that, hey, I wouldn't be able to trust them.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
It's amazing, amazing stuff. I mean, Terry Rogier will never
play sports together. He's that one's cooked. That one's pretty easy, right.
I can't see any world in which he plays in
an NBA game Big three. Maybe maybe he goes goes
Big three, right, but I don't see it otherwise. It's
(41:22):
crazy though that, like I almost feel bad for Adam
Silver because he's getting crushed today. Meanwhile, the product last
two nights has been great. Webin Yama had forty last
night on twenty one shots. Looked looked completely back, completely healthy,
and he looked like the guy that we were told
(41:43):
he could become. And no one is talking about it
once the story drop because the story way more salacious,
even though it doesn't. John Spill's team stinks. Terry Rozier
is not a particularly impactful player in the NBA, doesn't
actually have anything to do with anything that matters. But
it's the pr the public perception, and they are getting
(42:05):
just evistrated because of it.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I'll say I'll take it a step further. So we
work on the talk space here, right, national talk space.
I'm not talking about your MBA podcast and whatnot, but
I would venture to say that, like after this first
week bump, we don't really talk MBA in great detail
unless there are major storylines you're right until after the
Super Bowl, So we're spending this real estate where we
(42:30):
could be talking about, as you say, the positive on
this story.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah. And by the way, as much as I would
like to talk about Victor webbin Yama, I wouldn't be
doing my job because that's not the big story of
the day. This will lead every newscast everywhere anywhere.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I honestly anything more people would want to hear about
this stuff than Victor webin Yama's night last night.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Of course, yeah, of course, if it bleeds, it leads.
We love that, we love this stuff. But again, I
actually feel I actually feel bad, like even the story
about another How about these college basketball coaches where they're
like Izzo yesterday with the impassioned thing about G League
players and be recruited, and Kelvin Sampson comes out, and
(43:16):
then there's another G League player and guess who's like
one of three schools for me? You guys think Kelvin Sampson.
Funny how that works, right, because all of us are
in the same boat where we're like, yeah, this these
the lack of rules is really crazy. We just try
and get god players. We don't like it, but we
also want to win, and this is the only way
to win. Even that story nothing, It's going to all
(43:38):
be about gambling. And Jason, you and I we've been
talking about this for years. They keep making gambling more
and more and more accessible to more and more people.
And I understand that the gambling industry is like, look
where a lot of these red flags come up because
(43:58):
we actually monitor all of these bets. And the more
you make it legal, the easier it is for us
to monitor because the illegal ones go away, they're the
non regulated ones. That's how you get the mafia involved.
This is this is how you get the mafi out
of it. But the more you open up access to it,
less people can control their gambling. It's so accessible, the
(44:21):
numbers they start small and then they build up. My
guess is there will be a lot more of these.
I actually think this has way less impact than people think,
even though we're gonna talk about it. Whatever. There's been
other gambling stories NFL players, and all they've done is
allow more access to NFL players to bet on other sports.
(44:43):
When those of us who've been alive long enough, like
all of these stories are the same. Guy starts out
betting a little bit here, betting a little bit there,
then works their way into debt. Then you get into
such a debt where somebody pops up and goes, hey,
you want to wipe off that debt? Yeah, I can't
really cover it. Okay, if you don't want to cover
and you can't pay the vague there is another way.
What's the other way?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Just this week, just this week there, you know the
bookie that made that made all the bets for Otani's interpreter,
he's been making the rounds and I I uh, I
definitely would say to listeners you should find that sound.
The bookie gives in great detail what was going on,
and and he says that, you know, people say that,
(45:29):
what's the big problem that Otani's interpreter was only gambling
on soccer, Like ninety five percent of his bets were
on soccer. And the bookie points out, like, that's just
the stupidest betting you're going to do is on soccer
because you lose on ties. But anyways, so the uh
but he's like, you don't you know, you don't see
the forest beyond the trees. It's not necessarily that Otani
(45:51):
can't affect soccer games. It's what happens when you get
in deep and then you have access to a star
player the next thing. People aren't really seeing what happens next.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, it's what happens next. And I think the more
we oh, we're gonna take down prop bets, like okay,
so that stops people from gambling on their sport when
they see the lines. That doesn't make any Yeah, but
the problem still exists. It doesn't change the nature of
(46:28):
human beings trying to bet and make money quickly and
then thinking they can cover it up.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
You know what I love about this? Have you guys
seen the shots of Terry Roseier. It is, and I'm
using air quotes, ankle injury. So if a guy gets
hurt in the NBA, what do they do. They put
him at the end of the bench, maybe they take
him in the locker room, team doctors around them, whatever
the deal is. So Rosier goes out of this game,
not a team doctor in sight around him. In fact,
(46:57):
there are open chairs next to him on the bench.
He then is grabbing his ankle like adding to it. Again,
no team doctors around, And then there's another shot where
he has disappeared and gone into the locker room. But
if anybody gets hurt in an NBA game, players are
(47:18):
helping them. They're helping them walk off, team physician comes over,
somebody's looking at him, end of the bench, take him
in the locker room. None of that. It was all
a great acting job by Terry Rosier. And I'm saying
that facetiously.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
It was.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
It sticks out like a sore thumb if you are
looking for it. It was great. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
It's really really funny.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Also, did you hear New York NYPD commission Jessica Tish.
She stuck it to Terry Rosier ready for this one.
Speaker 11 (47:53):
As the NBA season tips off. His career is already benched,
not for injury, but for.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Integrity, integrity.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
They call this operation nothing but net and royal flush Ah.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Play that one again. That was so clever.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Stuck it to him.
Speaker 11 (48:17):
As the NBA season tips off, His career is already benched,
not for injury, but for integrity.
Speaker 8 (48:24):
M We got.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Him, took himself in.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Got you know, she went back and she she gave
the fist pump Obama fist pump. Huhh you you you.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Rogier had to be shocked when.
Speaker 11 (48:46):
He heard that as the NBA season tips off, his
career is already benched, not for injury, but for integrity.
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with even last night's stories or the day before stories.
The story is that, as you've heard all day long,
Chouncey Billups, Terry Rozier among like thirty people arrested by
the FBI. I don't do I think the headlines are interesting. Yes,
(01:39):
I actually think some of the details in some of
these stories are more interesting than like, I don't know
what Chauncey Billups did. I know Chauncey. I played basketball
with him when we were in high school. He stayed
in my house. We've remained friendly, but we're not like boys.
That doesn't mean I'm disineing myself. I'm just saying I
(02:01):
have no idea what he did. Terry Rozier obviously a
lot of that, but the details are really interesting. First,
we play a couple things for you. Here's Cash Bettel,
who's the FBI's director, at a press conference Ruler.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Today, individuals such as Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones, and Terry
Rozier were taken into custody today former current NBA players
and coaches. What you don't know is that this is
an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned
the course of years. The FBI led a coordinative takedown
across eleven states to arrest over thirty individuals today responsible
(02:37):
for this case, which is very much ongoing. Not only
did we crack into the fraud that these perpetrators committed
on the grand stage of the NBA, but we also
entered and executed a system of justice against La Casinosha
to include the Bonano, Gambino, Genevesi and Luchase crime family.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I do wish he went Italian pronunciation right, Like somewhere
back there there's going like, hey, it's a lutey, it's
a luciano. Good Like this deck can't pronounce nothing already,
I thought, buyer when I read this that Billips and
Damon Jones, they're accused of using their celebrity to lure
(03:24):
people into a playing game poker game that was rigged
by the mafia. The mafia allegedly, this is my favorite
part of the story. They use sophisticated cheating technologies. Now,
all of a sudden, you got Jason Stewart's attention, because
he's like, hey, this sounds like the Astros. I hate Springer,
I hate Springer anyway, including shuffling machines that could read
(03:49):
the cards in the deck, poker chip trays with hidden cameras,
special contact lenses, and glasses that could read pre marked
cards at an X ray table that could read cards
face down on the table. Once a so called fish
a whale if they're you know, really valuable lost. The
mafia used extortion and violence to make sure they paid
(04:12):
their gambling debts. Noicella said. Investigators found the scheme involved
members of Yeah, the Banano, the Menano, the Cambino, the Chase,
c the gifcik Krime families. Right Like, it's the one
time I'd love to say that they're not Italian mafia families,
but they're all Italian last names. I can't make that up.
(04:38):
I thought that that part to me. And then the
idea that that Terry Rogier told a buddy he's gonna
leave a game early with a knee injury. There's video
of that game which he was, and he to bet
the under, and then the guy collected the winnings and
then came over and cut up the under with him.
Those are the parts to me that are more interesting
(04:58):
than the actual headlines. How about you, Dan.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Byer, Well, yeah, I think that they would be, I mean,
because the details get into all the nitty gritty stuff.
But I also look at it and say that I
feel that Terry Rosier's role is separate from how I
view Jones and how I specifically view Billups, because Billups is,
I mean, he's a Hall of Fame player, Chauncey Billups
(05:24):
was a guy who did media. It's this mask that
you had no idea that you never would have guessed
was behind all of this, and to the point of
suckering people into rigged poker games so he could get
a cut. I think when sports gambling became legal, we
wondered that if guys would doctor their minutes, if they
(05:48):
would fake an injury, And we've seen that so far
with Johntay Porter, and now we've seen it with Terry Rozier.
So I think Roseyeer's part is separate from what Phillups is.
But the other thing in the article done by ESPN
and what the FBI has revealed is with Damon Jones,
(06:09):
who had a close relationship with Lebron. James Lebron is
now while he's not named, not a part of this
becomes a part of this because the FBI found that
Jones had given information that Lebron was not going to
play a game for the Lakers against the Milwaukee Bucks
in twenty twenty three, And so now it's where do
(06:31):
all these tentacles go? So that is obviously the biggest
story is in all the details. It's now how where
all these cracks and all these leaks end up trickling
down to, maybe to the greatest player of all time,
who we don't know if Lebron had any role in
all of this right now. He doesn't. But I was
(06:52):
shocked by Chauncey Billups. So now I'm not going to
put anything past anybody in talking about this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, it's Chase do what what what most intrigues you
about these stories?
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Just the line that you had read about the extortion
and the leveraging of people that are losing a lot
of money. That's that's what Adam Silver should be most
concerned about. When people involved in his league that have
direct chances of, you know, determining the outcome of games
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and these prop bets, when they get leveraged, when they
get compromised due to violence or financial leverage what they
will do to get out of that compromise. I think
that people kind of lose sight of that, like this
isn't just a gambling story. And I think the casual
nature of this is like, you know, sports gambling is legal,
(07:52):
what's the problem here? I mean, sports gambling's legal. What's
the problem is when these uh, when these types of
people that have been doing this for decades and decades
get leverage on people that can determine games, and then
you have all these people with access to these prop bets.
I kind of want to go back to a piece
of sound. Michael Porter did a did a podcast in
(08:15):
August on one night with Steiny, and remember we played
it on the podcast. And what strikes you most about
this sound isn't what Porter's saying as much as how
he is saying it, how casual he is saying it,
which tells you this has talked about all the time
among NBA teams.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Think about it. You get mad at these dudes like
they do the sports betting, but think about it, if
you could get all your homies rich by telling him, Yo,
ten thousand dollars I'm under you know this one game,
I'm gonna act like I got an injury and I'm
gonna sit out. I'm gonna come out after three minutes,
and they all get a little bad because you did
it one game like that is so not okay. But
(08:54):
some people probably think like that. They come from nothing
and all their homies have nothing, and they're like, bro,
if I if I come out of this game after
three minutes, y'all all hit on my under We're all
getting a little back.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I just think Adam Silver should be like stunned by
the casual nature of that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, I agree with you. Oh hey, wait what happened yesterday?
That's right, the NCAA approved the ability for coaches like
myself and for student athletes to gamble on professional sports.
What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong?
You know, it's really interesting the sports gambling aspect to it,
(09:33):
which is like we it's like we try and avoid
the human nature of it. Jason, you and I we've
all seen this coming. And and the gambling companies, by
the way, that even support the show in this network, right, Like,
I'm not going to sit here and lie to you
tell you that we're the only reason we still exist
(09:56):
is because of gambling, right, the reason the NFL is
so up here is because of gambling. But just like
anything it, it is a drug, okay, and people cannot
control it. Just like there's a percentage of people that
I can have a beer or two beers. I'm good
if I'm not driving and it's a night when I
(10:19):
want to I'm good, like, but I'm not gonna wake
up the next day thinking I gotta have another beer.
I gotta have another drink. If I have more than
two beers to night, I will wake up tomorrow going
I'm not drinking for a month, Like I just don't
feel great, like you know whatever. That's just how I'm wired.
But many people wake up thinking when can I When
(10:39):
is the moment where five o'clock hits and I can
get to my next drink. And then there's some people
that wake up at first thing in the morning like
I just got to have a drink to good work. Right,
that's that gene or whatever, the disease of alcoholism. What's
the same thing with gambling. Same thing with gambling. And
you know, there's no life for it, there's no training
(11:02):
course for it. You can do it on your phone,
and just like anything else, you'll get that immediate rush
and high and make a little money and be like
this is easy. Now you're gonna lose money. That's how
it works. It's just a case of can you are
you losing the type money that you can say, hey,
it was entertaining, it was fun, and then I won
(11:23):
a little bit. But yeah, people will do evil things
to not get exposed, not just for gambling, but for
losing massive sums of money. And once you once you
pick up that phone, once you answer, once you say
I don't have enough money to cover this debt, you
will do anything to get out of it. And then
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once you try and do anything to get out of it,
now they got you and they can do anything they
want to you because you don't want to get exposed
because you'll never be able to work in your sport again.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Go ahead, Dan, It's funny because and I'm even looking
up at my screen right now. And at one point
Harry Rosier was investigated by the NBA and found no wrongdoing.
Think how crappy is your investigation? Then now if you
found no wrongdoing, but now the FBI is like, uh yeah,
(12:12):
here was a time where thirty bets were placed on
Terry Rozier numbers, which is my point. I think when
gambling became illegal or became legal, we thought I thought,
I think other people think this way that it's all right,
you're picking the Knicks to beat the Calves, and if
Donovan Mitchell throws away a basketball late, oh maybe that's
(12:34):
him fixing the game. But the fact that there are
lines on what Terry Rosier does is the problem because
I'll I had this conversation within the last couple of weeks.
I said, you're not going to have a superstar or
a main game be the way that you make money
on this. What it's going to be is something subtle
(12:54):
and it's something little. And the reason that they were
set off or tipped off to this the sports was
the sports books were because of the unusual high activity
towards Terry Rozier's number on that night. And to me,
what an atrocious plan. Like the documentary about whatever went
down with Chauncey Billups and how Damon Jones was involved
(13:16):
in that, that's gonna be fascinating. This Terry Roseer stuff
is silly to me, considering that it seems it would
be pretty obvious that Terry Roseer is getting all this action,
maybe some things awry here and the fact that we
actually have lines on Terry rose Heer, Like it's not
just over unders and it's how many points is lebron
gonna have or how many points is Covin Durant gonna have?
(13:38):
Like we're going down to Terry Roseer and that's where
the money is made. That's the part where I think
when this was all made legal, we didn't realize and
how deep this could go. And I think this is
a perfect example because it just looks pretty stupid to
me that people think that Terry Roseier and those people
could get away with that. You guys agree, like, I mean, well.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I totally agree. I completely agree, completely agree. And I
and the idea that who's gonna notice they all notice?
It's not Do you remember the Alabama baseball coach who
got fired a couple of years ago, right because he
called his buddy in Indiana and he said the starters
out and they put like twenty grand on the game,
Like it's just a little Yeah, the people don't bet
(14:22):
twenty grand on Alabama baseball game. Course it's sent off alarms.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, that's why the Packers and the Cowboys they're bet
the most right because of the most popular teams, there's
an actual feeling for them. Why would there be any
feeling towards Terry Rozier's line that night and have it
all end up being unders.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
I I think there's also a point because I hear
this from some guys who look at all this and say, well,
the system's working for gambling, the bad actors are getting caught.
But I I not to get political, but like, I'm
pretty sure the same thing was said about Watergate back
in the I'm pretty sure that was exact line. It's like, well,
the systems working, we're catching corruption, but it keeps. When
(15:05):
you're in a pr battle like something like the NBA
is where it is you want to because there is
a magic to sport. You have to convince everyone it's
all on the up and up at all times. Yeah,
And the more times this happens in public, the more
cracks and that happen until nobody believes you anymore correct.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And that point, it's a great point, and it's the
old It's why the Donneghey thing has done so much
harm to this league. And here's here's that this works
in concert with what we'll talk about in the pod, Chris,
what you and I discussed. The first two nights of
the NBA have been great. Even Jason Stewart was like,
(15:44):
I actually liked watching an NBA game, and Jason had
been like, I'm done, Like I don't you know, but
if you watch Oklahoma City play, those guys play hard
kind of ego lists, the Rockets are a fun watch.
Those two games the first night were great. Last night,
Victor webin Yama scored forty points and twenty one shots,
(16:04):
thoroughly dominate. Looks like forget, but the next star he
looks like a star. And after two really good nights
of play, now all of a sudden, the ship is
taking on a ton of water. And even though none
of the allegations involved affecting the actual outcome of a game, right,
(16:29):
just like when you get a new iPhone, you can
get your iPhone seventeen, right, you got to click on
all the things that you're agreeing to. We read you
know again. The parts that jumped out to me are
the X ray table, the hidden camera, the special contact lenses. Right,
that's the stuff. I'm like, dude, this is like a movie.
This stuff really exists. Unbelievable to the average fan, Like
(16:50):
of course the NBA. They're throwing games. They don't care,
doesn't matter, They're not reading any of these details. This
does I don't want to. I don't know if I would.
The word are reparabules too, but it does a ton
of damage to what Chris Prefett is talking about the
credibility of the league. And that's that's a hard one
(17:11):
to come back from. This From the NBA, we're in
the process of reviewing the federal indictments announced today. Terry
Rozier and John Spilbs are being placed on immediate lead
from their teams. Will continue to cooperate with the relevant authorities.
We take these allegations with the most seriousness, and the
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should be. Let's catch up with Aj Perzinski, who of
course won a World Series when they broke the curse
with the uh Chicago White Sox in two thousand and five.
(18:03):
You can now hear him on Fox Sports. He also
has a podcast called Foul Territory, and he joins us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I got to ask you
about the story of the day, Aj, Like, obviously, baseball
players a lot of time in your hands, a lot
of time together. Card games are you know everybody knows
guys play cards. Guys play cards. Whatever, these gambling allegations
(18:26):
in the NBA, and these stories about like Russian mafia
or just old school Italian mafia guys and see through cards,
X ray X ray tables and glasses whenever. What's your
reaction when you hear this story today?
Speaker 8 (18:44):
It's insanity, right, It's absolutely insane. It's insane to me
that this is where we're at in sports, in life.
I mean, didn't I mean, I'm not saying any these
guys did anything, but man, for as much as they
made in their careers, that they really need a couple
hundred an extra.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I guess there's there's never enough or you get
you get in too deep. You know how guys are
they getting too deep? Be like hey, do you want
to come out of your pocket for this? Or you
want to make it up to us and some of
them to help it out there? Go ahead.
Speaker 8 (19:15):
Well, my question, my question for y'all is like, you know,
my buddy, am I just asking how long ago, like
did you gamble on other sports when you played? And
I was like no, because even if you lose and
you get too far down and you're like, okay, I'm
a couple hundred thousand down, and you know, if you're married,
you don't want to write that check right and have
your wife's seat or make that thanks statement. So if
(19:37):
someone came to you and they're like, well, if you're
not paying, we're going to break your arm, go after
your family or throw a game, it's you know, just
don't put yourself in that position, is the only thing
I can say.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Again, No, I I get I get it, But yes,
that's why I don't know why they're letting college kids
bet on stuff now can bet on pro sports?
Speaker 8 (19:53):
Why wombling everywhere? Something? Gambling is everywhere that's why. And
would you rather listen If it wasn't regulated, Doug, you
know that it wasn't regulated, we'd never know about this.
So thank goodness is regulated, and now we can keep
some sort of an idea of what's happening and try
up police in a little bit if you can, you know,
But like, if it wasn't regulated, we'd never even know
(20:13):
about this stuff. The same thing about the two guys
in baseball, the two pitchers of the Guardians that threw
the balls, and there was a big thing on them.
If if we didn't have it regulating and it was
just you know, the old bookkeeper, the old booky way,
we never would have known it. Never one would have
ever had any idea that certain things were being accused,
certain guys were being accused of doing certain things that
are just not good.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Ay J. Percinski's our guest here on the Doug Otlief Show,
Let's get to Baseball. World Series is upon us. It's
very easy for those of us who weren't star players
World Series champions to sit there and go, Shay, hey Tani,
greatest performance ever. What what did you think when you
were watching Game four?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
Greatest performance I've ever seen in my lifetime, because of
the stage, because of the moment, like he it helped
him get to the World Series. He pitched, and I
know guys have pitched and hit multiple home runs before
in the regular season, but they've never gotten in the person.
(21:11):
You know, had six hittings, ten strikeouts, two hits and
three home runs and one that went out of the stadium.
Like what he seriously is not I mean, people call
me unicorn. He's like an alien. It's like he's the
greatest player, all around player that I've ever seen. As
far as hitting and pitching. I didn't c Bay Bruce,
and there's been some other guys that have tried it,
(21:31):
but as far as like just the unicorn alien, whatever
you want to call him, he's all those things and
he's the best. I can't even describe how hard it
is to do what he's doing. Hitting is impossible, and
then to throw the pitching on top of it is incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trade that's a
j Perzinski Vlad Junior. And obviously that famous run in
five started with you guys taking down the Angels in five, right,
so we remember Vlad Garret as and I was an
Angel fan, but a baseball fan growing up, going back
to his Expo days, says he was like the best
(22:05):
bad ball hitter in baseball. It felt like the best
place to throw it to vlad Guro is right down
the middle, because it was at his toes. He would
hit it out of the park. It was in his eyes.
He would have hit out of the park right And
and I thought, Jason Stewart's my producer AJ and He's like,
I've been so over the Nepo babies or whatever, but
(22:26):
here's a dude who has lived up to it, has
lived up and he's been as much as Shoey was
great in one game, he's been amazing the whole playoffs.
Speaker 8 (22:36):
Uh, he's been the best hitter. He's been the best
hitter of the entire playoffs. And why does Jase hate
neo babies? I think, you know, his kids must not
be any good at sports or some radio. His kids
must not be good at any good at radio or something.
I don't know. The Baba Chef's pretty good. Some guys
that have been okay is Junior, I mean.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
Right ball baseball as well. But I'm close with the
Holiday boys. They're awesome. They're awesome as well, awesome kids
and exact and good players exactly.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
So I just I don't know. I mean, if it's
been unbelievable, but but it's the best hitter in baseball
right now in the postseason. What he's cut a strikeout down,
he's cut a swing and miss down, He's locked it
in and he's so fun to watch. I mean, listen,
if you're not a baseball fan, tune in and watch
Blag Guerrero. He's smiling, he's laughing, he's having a good time.
Not in an off putting way at all either. Like
(23:28):
when I say that, I mean he's literally having a
good time at the right times and handling strikes out
he's like, Okay, I'll get him next time, knowing that
he will. And it's just he's so fun to watch
on defense and they get turned double players and they
get out. You know, he sees the excitement on his face.
He's cheering for his other team, his teammates. I mean,
this dude is everything you can ask for. Oh yeah,
and by the way, he's just signed a five hundred
million dollar contract and he's the face of Canada and
(23:51):
baseball in Canada.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Rest versus rust, How do you think it's overrated?
Speaker 8 (24:00):
This? I hate this talk. I hate this. You know why,
because in twenty five, twenty years ago, we had all
kinds of time off and you know what, we still
went out and kicked everyone left. So I'm so sick
of the russ. You know who complains about the rust
is a too much rest the team that loses. Yankees
and Dodgers both had time off. They were in the
World Series last year right now. The Dodgers had to
play a wild card game, wildcard round. And you can
argue that it was a scrimmage game because some people
(24:22):
say that because they played against the Reds. But the
Bluejays had time off and they went out whoop the Yankees, right,
So the Marriers had time off, they beat the They
beat the Tigers, who came in hot. So I just
don't get this argument. It's just because when you lose,
you have to find a reason. It just can't beat
that you just got beat. It's always something this started.
Excuse me. It started in two thousand and six, I
think when the Tigers lost to the Cardinals in that
(24:45):
World Series and they made a bunch of errors on
the mound and they didn't really hit, but they just
That was when the first tear I ever heard about. Oh,
we had too much rest, but we wanted rest in
the playoffs. Are you kidding me? Because you've got days
off your beat hired like I wanted, especially for my pitchers.
Like we can set a rotation, we can line up
our bullpen, our our hitters, get some days off, we
(25:07):
can take some you know, scrimmage game stuff like I
wanted the rest. So I just don't believe in that,
And it's one of my least favorite excuses in all sports.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. A. J.
Prazinski is our guest. Dodgers bullpen Game one. It was shaky,
despite the fact Snell was amazing. Uh, they survived it,
but they had such incredible starting pitching. So again, rest
is not an issue there. It's just a matter of
what do they do in seven, eight, and nine. It
(25:38):
looks like they know who they want in nine. But
you know, he couldn't close out Game one. He stopped
trying him back there. Who's been up and down? What's
your level of confidence in the Dodgers bullpen in the
biggest years.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
In baseball, you don't need a lot if if your
starter to eight and nine like Snelling, Jungloto didn't one
to two and then glassdown did what seven?
Speaker 8 (26:00):
And then show aged six and they had a lead.
I don't know that. Here's my confidence fector I'm popping
in Rokie. I'm confident in Vestia. After that, I don't know.
Can try to do what he did last year? Will
Kershaw be a factor? Will and she and be a
factor bonded to be a factor. Who's it gonna be
that's gonna step up not named Roki and not named
Vestia and get big outs for him. But it's the
(26:22):
same for the Blue Jays. For me, you have to
have Hoppin, you have to have some other people. But
can the lefties get out the lefties of the Dodgers,
meaning show a Freddie and Max Muncy and they can
they use their lefties properly to get those guys out?
I don't know, But for me, the biggest those are
the two biggest question marks in this series is can
can't which bullpen handles better? And can the Blue Jays
(26:43):
starting pitchers match the Dodger starting pitchers? As far as
zeros An innings and give their bullpen a chance and
give their kidders a chance to finally break through.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Doug Gottlib show here on Fox Sports Radio. What's it
like to catch the World Series game? To win a
World seraion you or catching? What? What's that like?
Speaker 8 (27:03):
It's the greatest feeling you can ever have as a player,
because team wise, not individual wise, things happen, but team
wise it's more important because everybody remembers, Like, I wasn't
a guy that said any kind of you know, all
time records for home runs or hits or any of
that stuff, but everybody remembers the first question you get.
(27:24):
Nobody nobody ever asked you, Hey, how many hits did
you have? I mean they do, but the first question
you get is do you have a ring? And so
when you get that ring, it's the ultimate like that's
you to everybody, Like, Yeah, I got my ring. You
know you can never take it away from me, no
matter how much you want to say this or that
about me. I always have this ring and it's in
my back pocket and I can always pull it out
(27:46):
as a trump card for anything you want, any other
thing you want to lay at me. So it's the
greatest feeling. And when that final outs happened, I just
remember we were up three oh, and we're winning and
we get to the ninth inning and I'm just in
the back of my mind, I'm just like, this is
really going to happen. I'm really gonna win the World
Series Chicago White Sox thirteen that hasn't won, a city
that hasn't won in eighty eight years, and the party's
(28:06):
going to be unbelievable. And as soon as that final
out made it is, you just think about everybody that
ever helped you along the way and just there's so
much emotion that has led out by everybody. That's why
the parties are so crazy. Yes you're happy, obviously, but
it's just such an outpouring of emotion because of all
the things and all the people and all the steps
you think about that you had to get there. It
just makes it all worth it.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
AJ are the Best Man. A J PRESENTSKI World Series
Champion O five with those White Sox. Of course, you
can check out his podcast called Faull Territory. You see
him on Fox Sports. AJ thanks so much for joining us.
Let's talk as the series rolls on.
Speaker 8 (28:39):
Hi Jug who's going to be the coach at OSU.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
At Oklahoma State? Yeah, I think either GJ. Kinney, who's
at Texas State who is a Tulsa quarterback, or Zach Robinson,
who was a quarterback there. His mom was a palm
there and he's the offensive coordina with the Falcons. Those
will be my two early leans.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
I'm not telling me who's going to coach Florida, please,
And I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I mean, you know, that's one of those. It's so weird.
They just haven't been able to figure out since Urban, right, Oh,
I know, Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know
how you do it there. I mean, I look. My
thing would be this when hiring college coaches. Again, this
is from experience now taking over a basketball program, you
gotta hire. I even think hiring Zach, and I love Zach.
(29:27):
He's a great dude. But if you hire him, you
got to have that plan in place now because when
the portal opens, it's kind of too late. Those guys
are already spoken for, and you gotta have a plan
in place for the portal because you can't just pick players.
You gotta have an identity of Hey, we're gonna play
this way and here's the guys who're gonna get So
(29:49):
if whoever you hire, they got to have their staff
kind of in place for these last three or so
weeks of the season so that they're up and running,
and then the second the portal hits, they've already have moment.
Speaker 8 (30:01):
They're smart, Doug, is anyone I've told you a pretty
smart about this college stuff?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, except for I won four games last year, So
what the hell do I What the hell do I know?
Ay J, you're the best man. I appreciate you join us.
It is a difference, but it's the same thing though,
it's the same thing. Dan, Hey, speaking of portal, did
you hear this is Kelvin Sampson yesterday head coach of
Houston obviously lost the National Championship game. This is uh,
this is Kelvin Sampson talking about the transfer portal.
Speaker 10 (30:27):
But at some point somebody's got to step up and
say this is wrong. It's not what we signed up for.
It's not what they signed up for. That's not fair
to them either. It's not fair of their parents. You know,
we're still at an educational institution, but there's nothing educational
about college basketball right now. It's all transactional. And then
we go put our head in the sand in that like,
(30:47):
well it'll change eventually. Think how many ads five years
ago said, ah, this will play out, This won't last.
Same guys are saying it today. This won't last. It's
gonna outlast all of us. That toothpaste is out of
the tube and you ain't put in the back ass
and a control it. But what can you control it?
You can control that transfer port and I'm adamant that
(31:11):
we are positively impact in lives. If we tell a
kid that he's has to set out for a year, transfer,
you get one transfer anywhere you want with no penalty,
transfer and go play right away. But you can't do
that every year.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Completely agree, Completely agree. You know, I don't even love
the play right away, but transfer and and after that
if you have to sit out, I guess you could
have him sit out right and you can't hold guy's hostage.
But the the the multiple transfers is what makes it
really really difficult. It does. I just don't know if
(31:54):
it'll hold up in court. Right That's like kind of
the big thing is you'd have to have. All of
these things have to be collectively bargained, and then you
have a contract. The contract has to have a non
compete clause, and there has to be a buyout of
those contracts. Most of the new contracts in college basketball
for freshmen high level freshmen are two year contracts because
(32:16):
the expectations are they don't play their first year and
people don't want to invest money in somebody the first
year and then lose them in the second year.
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Uh so the big story of the day, this is
a gigantic story. Is this gambling probe and uh it's
got wire tapping, fraud, racketeering. Here, here's a question, just
(33:21):
a question to you guys. Do you guys know what
racketeering is? We use the racketeering term all the time.
Do you know what racketeering is? Chase doo? Are you
do you?
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Are?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
You?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Do you know racketeering? What it actually means?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
It has something to do with money, an organized crime,
like trying to get money out of people somehow.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah, I mean it's basically extortion. Right, extortion is another
year for racketeering. It's it's uh uh god, how to
how to describe it? Go ahead, Dan.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Fire, Yeah, No, I was just gonna say, why do
you do that to us? Like, why do you try
to Why don't you just tell us what racketeering is?
Speaker 4 (33:59):
He did this?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
We don't necessarily know, Like I thought, racketeering is rigging
a system. That's what I think of it as it's
a racket, right, That's where the term, ah it's a
racket comes from. But it's one of those words that
we all use or we all repeat, and I don't
think most of us know it. I'm gonna tell you
(34:22):
myself included right like racketeers. I'm looking this up in
Wikipedia is a type of organized crime in which the
perpetrators set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, and otherwise the illegal,
coordinated scheme or operation. So it's like, when you put
everything together, right, that's racketeering. That's a racket. That's when
(34:44):
the term rigged is. It's when it's all put together.
It's like, Dan, you and I were both aligned on
the part of this story which is the most interesting
is the line that I was reading where where you know,
they use these special card counters right where they could
(35:05):
mark cards, they had X ray poker tables. You're like what,
And then when they would when people would owe them money,
then they would you know, threaten violence if they didn't pay,
and they would extort them with illegal gambling. All of
that is racketeering. It's like when you put in every
one of those little factors thort a grand scheme, that's racketeering.
(35:27):
That's where the term it's a racket comes from. And
I'll bet there's a lot of people going like, hey,
I've used that term, it's a racket. I didn't know,
and I've used racketeering before and I didn't actually truly
knew what it meant. But that's what I was doing
when when we were talking with I was looking at
what racketeering is? What changes because of this? Dan Byer like,
(35:49):
what happens? What's the reaction to this story?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Well, I think there's a there's a lot and I'll
even Jason passed along something that Mike Florio had tweeted about,
which is what I said in our first hour. What
did he say that the the trimming down of prop
bets could end up happening from from sports books.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, he said something like in the states that sports
gambling is legal, they will make prompt bets illegal.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I just I don't understand why there are why there
are lines on Terry Rosier stats.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
It comes from fantasy football and fantasy and then became
fantasy basketball that people were basically betting on this forever
and they're like, hey, you know people want to bet
on it, let's let's bet on it. And yeah, it's
a complete and abject disaster. Who could have seen it coming. Everybody, everybody,
because so much of it's so controllable by the person.
(36:45):
And I think the assumption, and I think it's an
arrogant assumption that were like, these guys make too much
money to ever get involved in this stuff, right, that's
the that's the thought. But how much money you make
that it just increases the volume of what you're gonna
do to bet right, you're trying to you're trying to
(37:06):
unleash that dopamine, you know, this risky behavior, Jay Stu
Outside of the prop bets, does what else changes?
Speaker 8 (37:17):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Does this story change anything?
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Probably not. I hope it would. I hope it would.
But uh, you mentioned what what's his name, Donaghue Donneghee's story. Yeah, yeah,
we all thought that was going to change the world,
and it didn't. I don't know, I don't know what
would like If you were to ask the average NBA fan,
or you're gonna stop watching the sport, or you're gonna
stop going to games, stop buying the March because of
(37:41):
something like this, I think ninety nine percent of people
would say no. That's the weird thing about this is
that the FBI is taking this very serious, and they're
gonna convict people that are guilty of crimes, federal crimes.
I just don't know if you're the consuming public is
going to change the way they consume the sport.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
I do think that when we talk about the Tim
Donahue situation, we look at it like we do the
David Stern frozen envelope deal with Patrick Ewing, where we
think this stuff isn't on the up and up because
it quote benefits the NBA, right like this, this is
what the NBA wants. The NBA didn't want Sacramento in
(38:20):
the NBA Finals. They wanted the Lakers in the NBA finals.
So that's where I think that this is, well, maybe
all under the same umbrella, this is a different portion
of it because I don't know what the motivation is
to where you would keep Sacramento out of an NBA finals.
But if we're betting on Terry Rozier's stats, who is
(38:43):
that really benefiting? Like I always felt that the rig
notion of it was not that we looked at money
but just on team's success. Oh, it's better for the
NBA when the Lakers win NBA titles so they can
make more money. That's how I feel. Generally, we looked
at the NBA being fixed, not not in a way
that could screw us or screw other betters. So that's
(39:05):
what I think is is unique about this. I think
it's different. I just I don't know, to your guy's point,
what else can be done. I just don't think that
they're necessarily the same.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Does Chauncey Phillips regain his position as head coach of.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
The not a chance?
Speaker 8 (39:21):
Well?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Hold on, yeah, okay, I believe you, and I genuinely
agree with you, But let me pitch something to you here. Okay,
we're reading an indictment, an indictment, we're reading what they
have on him, and so what they're saying was he
was he got people to join this poker game, which
was a rigged poker game. He'd use his celebrity status, Hey,
(39:43):
you should play poker with my guys. They played this
rig poker game, and then they cut him in on
fifty grand from the poker game. That's how read to me?
Is that how read? You d Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
And then he even took part in some of these games.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Right, Okay, the question becomes did he can they prove
that he knew it was rigged or was this just
a like anything. He's mister big shot, He's Johncey Billups. Listen,
all you gotta do is play in this poker game.
We're gonna give you fifty grand. That's it. That's all
you gotta do. So that that's there becomes the plausible deniability.
(40:17):
Do I think they would arrest him without like a
text message that shows that he knew. I'm guessing they
probably have some evidence pointing to it. If they don't
have evidence that he knew, he will coach again in
the NBA. If they have evidence that he knew it
was a rigged game, he will never coach again in
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Well, he also he also has been connected to There
was some information that he told somebody that the Blazers
were tanking and that they were not going to have
four players play in a game, and there was unusual
betting activity surrounding that. Yeah, yeah, I just I don't
think Johnson Billips is gonna have any friends, at least
(40:58):
the ones that, hey, I wouldn't be able to trust them.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
It's amazing, amazing stuff. I mean, Terry Rogier will never
play sports together. He's that one's cooked. That one's pretty easy, right.
I can't see any world in which he plays in
an NBA game Big three. Maybe maybe he goes goes
Big three, right, but I don't see it otherwise. It's
(41:22):
crazy though that, like I almost feel bad for Adam
Silver because he's getting crushed today. Meanwhile, the product last
two nights has been great. Webin Yama had forty last
night on twenty one shots. Looked looked completely back, completely healthy,
and he looked like the guy that we were told
(41:43):
he could become. And no one is talking about it
once the story drop because the story way more salacious,
even though it doesn't. John Spill's team stinks. Terry Rozier
is not a particularly impactful player in the NBA, doesn't
actually have anything to do with anything that matters. But
it's the pr the public perception, and they are getting
(42:05):
just evistrated because of it.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I'll say I'll take it a step further. So we
work on the talk space here, right, national talk space.
I'm not talking about your MBA podcast and whatnot, but
I would venture to say that, like after this first
week bump, we don't really talk MBA in great detail
unless there are major storylines you're right until after the
Super Bowl, So we're spending this real estate where we
(42:30):
could be talking about, as you say, the positive on
this story.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah. And by the way, as much as I would
like to talk about Victor webbin Yama, I wouldn't be
doing my job because that's not the big story of
the day. This will lead every newscast everywhere anywhere.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
I honestly anything more people would want to hear about
this stuff than Victor webin Yama's night last night.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Of course, yeah, of course, if it bleeds, it leads.
We love that, we love this stuff. But again, I
actually feel I actually feel bad, like even the story
about another How about these college basketball coaches where they're
like Izzo yesterday with the impassioned thing about G League
players and be recruited, and Kelvin Sampson comes out, and
(43:16):
then there's another G League player and guess who's like
one of three schools for me? You guys think Kelvin Sampson.
Funny how that works, right, because all of us are
in the same boat where we're like, yeah, this these
the lack of rules is really crazy. We just try
and get god players. We don't like it, but we
also want to win, and this is the only way
to win. Even that story nothing, It's going to all
(43:38):
be about gambling. And Jason, you and I we've been
talking about this for years. They keep making gambling more
and more and more accessible to more and more people.
And I understand that the gambling industry is like, look
where a lot of these red flags come up because
(43:58):
we actually monitor all of these bets. And the more
you make it legal, the easier it is for us
to monitor because the illegal ones go away, they're the
non regulated ones. That's how you get the mafia involved.
This is this is how you get the mafi out
of it. But the more you open up access to it,
less people can control their gambling. It's so accessible, the
(44:21):
numbers they start small and then they build up. My
guess is there will be a lot more of these.
I actually think this has way less impact than people think,
even though we're gonna talk about it. Whatever. There's been
other gambling stories NFL players, and all they've done is
allow more access to NFL players to bet on other sports.
(44:43):
When those of us who've been alive long enough, like
all of these stories are the same. Guy starts out
betting a little bit here, betting a little bit there,
then works their way into debt. Then you get into
such a debt where somebody pops up and goes, hey,
you want to wipe off that debt? Yeah, I can't
really cover it. Okay, if you don't want to cover
and you can't pay the vague there is another way.
What's the other way?
Speaker 4 (45:06):
Just this week, just this week there, you know the
bookie that made that made all the bets for Otani's interpreter,
he's been making the rounds and I I uh, I
definitely would say to listeners you should find that sound.
The bookie gives in great detail what was going on,
and and he says that, you know, people say that,
(45:29):
what's the big problem that Otani's interpreter was only gambling
on soccer, Like ninety five percent of his bets were
on soccer. And the bookie points out, like, that's just
the stupidest betting you're going to do is on soccer
because you lose on ties. But anyways, so the uh
but he's like, you don't you know, you don't see
the forest beyond the trees. It's not necessarily that Otani
(45:51):
can't affect soccer games. It's what happens when you get
in deep and then you have access to a star
player the next thing. People aren't really seeing what happens next.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, it's what happens next. And I think the more
we oh, we're gonna take down prop bets, like okay,
so that stops people from gambling on their sport when
they see the lines. That doesn't make any Yeah, but
the problem still exists. It doesn't change the nature of
(46:28):
human beings trying to bet and make money quickly and
then thinking they can cover it up.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
You know what I love about this? Have you guys
seen the shots of Terry Roseier. It is, and I'm
using air quotes, ankle injury. So if a guy gets
hurt in the NBA, what do they do. They put
him at the end of the bench, maybe they take
him in the locker room, team doctors around them, whatever
the deal is. So Rosier goes out of this game,
not a team doctor in sight around him. In fact,
(46:57):
there are open chairs next to him on the bench.
He then is grabbing his ankle like adding to it. Again,
no team doctors around, And then there's another shot where
he has disappeared and gone into the locker room. But
if anybody gets hurt in an NBA game, players are
(47:18):
helping them. They're helping them walk off, team physician comes over,
somebody's looking at him, end of the bench, take him
in the locker room. None of that. It was all
a great acting job by Terry Rosier. And I'm saying
that facetiously.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
It was.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
It sticks out like a sore thumb if you are
looking for it. It was great. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
It's really really funny.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Also, did you hear New York NYPD commission Jessica Tish.
She stuck it to Terry Rosier ready for this one.
Speaker 11 (47:53):
As the NBA season tips off. His career is already benched,
not for injury, but for.
Speaker 4 (47:59):
Integrity, integrity.
Speaker 3 (48:05):
They call this operation nothing but net and royal flush Ah.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Play that one again. That was so clever.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Stuck it to him.
Speaker 11 (48:17):
As the NBA season tips off, His career is already benched,
not for injury, but for integrity.
Speaker 8 (48:24):
M We got.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Him, took himself in.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Got you know, she went back and she she gave
the fist pump Obama fist pump. Huhh you you you.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Rogier had to be shocked when.
Speaker 11 (48:46):
He heard that as the NBA season tips off, his
career is already benched, not for injury, but for integrity.
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