October 29, 2025 • 51 mins
On a Wednesday edition of the Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about game four of the World Series as the Blue Jays tied the series 2-2.
Doug and the crew get into sports viewing in person v TV in this installment of The Midway.
Doug weighs in on Michael Jordan's comments about Load Management. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to talk about the Chargers, Steelers and all of the headlines around the NFL
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast live every single
day over twenty years running. And we have ourselves a series, right,
I mean it felt like a series before. They always
say in basketball, series doesn't start till the road team
wins a game. Dodgers won a game in Game two,
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then the Dodgers win an epic game in Game three,
and then what's a one nothing Dodger lead becomes a
two to one Blue Jays lead on a Vlad Guerrero
Junior to run home run against show Hey Otani, and
and here we are, there we are. I'm a really
good baseball series.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Dodgers threw through a reliever to the Wolves as they're
as they're prone to do. Blake Snell goes tonight ton
to talk about as as Dan Bayer said yesterday, Hey
remember the NBA. Yeah, that was fun. We talked about
it for about two days. And I actually think that's
the power of when you know you have a baseball
series that captivates people's attention, because look, when the NFL
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is not being played, you can still talk about the NBA.
I mean, so you still talk about the NFL, but
there is room during the week for other sports conversation.
And because Major League Baseball, I think was so good
Game two, it's got our attention. It's got our attention.
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I guess here's a question. We do make things out
to be either your clutch or you're not clutch, right,
But but Joe Hay has shown him himself to have
these games where he's just incredibly dominant. Game four of
the of the nl CS, right, unbelievable, three home runs,
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strikes out ten. Dude's incredible. Then you go to Game
three of the World Series and he hits two home runs,
it's four to four. He's on base all nine times
he strides up to the plate. It's weird, though, to
sit there and go you start to realize the idea
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of being clutched can at times be a flawed idea
because I give you show, hey, Otani, you can't be
as good as he was last game, as good as
he's been in big situations, and then you know, you
do give up a two run home run. That's just
that just shows a bunch of things. One, it can
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be sort of ridiculous on how we hyper judge clutchness
in a sport like baseball. It also shows just the
levels there the mistakes that are made are so magnified.
And he made a mistake on a sweeper against one
of the five best hitters in the sport who deposited
that one in a home run, and that it felt
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like a weight off of the back of the Blue Jays.
And it now comes back around to Blake Snow who's
been great in the World Series in the past, great
obviously last series, but was terrible by his own admission
in Game one against the Blue Jays. And the Blue
Jays all stats tell you they eat up left handed pitching,
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especially left handed starting pitching. Now that doesn't mean I'm
calling a series for one side or the other, but
it just got really, really interesting. It had been interesting,
but it had been despite the fact the Blue Jays
they're an expensive team, they're a talented team. It had
been one in which it was really about, hey, are
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the Dodgers two rested too rusty? And can the Blue
Jays put them in a spot where they can't come
from behind? And then it became about that epic Game three,
And now it's like, not is it ever anyone's game,
but it does go back to you're gonna have to
win that series in Toronto Jays two, take me through again.
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I loved what you shared with us yesterday because of
the true emotions you felt watching a team that you're
not just a fan. You're You're not like I'm a fan,
You're a real fan. You really pay attention, you really care,
and you really understand what and why the support is
is is how it is? What's your emotions in watching
last night's game.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Last night's game was a kind of a microcosm of
what we've been watching all season with this team. I
think people loose side of the fact that this team
largely underperformed during the season. I mean, you make a
big deal out of the bullpen. That's kind of will
hanging fruit. As far as what this team doesn't do well,
but it also is renowned for just going dark. Offensively,
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They'll go two three games with getting just a few hits.
Mookie Betts three for nineteen, Maximuntsi three for seventeen, Tommy
ednin three for eighteen, and keyk Hernandez three for sixteen.
And then this didn't even include Andy Pajez, who I
think is one for twenty or something ridiculous. So it's
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this is just one of the warts that is magnified.
But I'm not surprised. But I do want to quote
one of the great orders of our time, Magic Johnson.
He's one of the owners of the Dodgers. He tweeted
this out a couple hours ago. With the series being
two to two, game five is very important. Whichever team
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wins takes control of the series exclamation point. So I'm
going to lean on Mad. That's great insight, and we'll
see what happens today.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Has there ever been anyone who's worse on social media
and more successful in life than Magic Johnson? Byer, what
do you think? Has there ever been anyone who's more
successful in life?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I haven't. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I can I can let me explain the Magic Johnson thing,
because I saw it in full effect in August. Dana
and David Pump are dear friends of mine. They they
they've had their fingers in a lot of different thing,
hands on a lot of different things in terms of
basketball over the years. But they have a Pump Foundation,
family Foundation dinner. They have a cancer award research center
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named after their mom in at Northridge Hospital, and so
they do a fundraiser every year. And I'm seen it
like I think fifteen years and Magic got up to
raise money and he donated for the opening game of
the Lakers against the Warriors. Like ten seats you sat
with mad It was some crazy, crazy deal. But I'm
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I have to admit that, like everybody, when you read
Magic tweets, you're like, oh my god, what am I
dealing with here? How is this guy so successful in
business and so bad on social media? So Captain obvious? Right,
that was the Captain obvious. Captain Obvious thinks that tweet
was Captain obvious. But you see him in front of
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a room and how he it's not just a smile,
he just he points guys out and in the in
midstream of of doing some sort of ted talk to
motivate people, he just makes everybody feel like he got you,
he's paying attention to you, he knows yea, he loves you,
and he and you connect with magic. But man, if
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you went with if you went based upon social media,
you would think that guy's the biggest yuts there is.
And yet guys, likely he's a billionaire. And it's amazing.
But yeah, Game five does determine the series. I love
the baseball. It's like bang bang bang bang bang, And
I get that. You look, we're dragging on into November anyway,
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so it's not like baseball has moved along, But gosh,
this is it's so watchable because the emotions are still
from the night before, are still present. Like I'm watching
last night's game and I still kind of feel like
I'm watching the previous night's game, and I'm still on
that emotional high from watching a great sporting event even
though it's not my team. I can't imagine for Jason Stewart,
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who because it is his team and he's so emotionally
and mentally invested, And then imagine being a player and hey,
we got to get back after it. I know, when
you start playing, you're not thinking of big picture of
things or hey, we just got done playing last night.
But I love this the baseball bam bam, bam, bam bam,
as opposed to like NBA finals that are so spaced out.
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I just love this. Go ahead, Dan, look like you had.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Some well just quickly on that point. The NBA spaces
it out so much so everybody gets rest. But I
think that's part of the genius of baseball is it
reflects what the regular season is so as a whole.
And I think that Game three may have taken a
toll on some of the players. I don't know if
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the weather did last night. We joked about that earlier
with Sam, but it was warm, like it was, it
was hot. But that's part of the genius of it
of Dave Roberts even said I think during the game
on Game three, early on when he was doing his
in game interview, when they had a decision to make
with Glasnow, He's like, you know, I don't necessarily want
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to go to the pen here, you know, four innings in,
you know, to Game three, when we've got these three
games here. I think that's all part of it. I
think that's that's it. I don't want to say it's
a better way to make you know a champion or
to determine a champion, but it just fits at least
with what the regular season is, where you don't have
guys where you could just throw your best pitcher in
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five out of the seven games.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
A good friend of mine Reality Steve. You can find
him at Reality Steve on social media, big Dodger fan,
and he floated this idea, and I think this actually
is a good one, that there should be a rule
in place in the World Series that if a game
goes a certain amount of time or a certain amount
of innings, then you just take the next day off
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so that both teams could kind of reset their bullpen
and stuff. I don't think it was fair to either
team to play the game yesterday. And as a fan
and I didn't go, but I talked to people that
actually went to both games and they were just exhausted.
I mean, could you imagine dealing with that traffic in
and out and get in less than twenty four hours.
But anyways, so as a viewer on my couch, I
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was exhausted. I'm like, do I really want to watch
another game.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I honestly felt the same thing. And again I don't
have the I don't have a horse in the race. Yes, yes, Stampire.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
No, I was just gonna say Jason's point of like, man,
I was so exhausted going to both World Series games
like as a first world problem. I mean, how many
how many people there went to the game before? Do
you think I would say?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Not much?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Jester Herbert going to both games?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
He wasn't there. Last night they had a different parade
of Star Prince Harry. Yeah, which, by the way, I
knew the Dodgers are going to lose once I saw
Megan Markle with a Dodgers head on. It was over cool.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
If there's ever a cooler in wife, it's Meghan Markle.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
She's like, the Dodgers haven't lost yet. Guys. You guys,
you've everer that interview anybody?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yes, anybody yet yet yet? Yeah? I mean, like, look,
could you have I guess you could have get hey,
let's everybody take the day off. I don't know the
reality to that. I guess you could pull it off
because they have had weather delays and whatever, but it
would it would screw everything up.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Do you think it helped Toronto last night, I don't
think it helped either team. Toronto ended up winning. There
has to be a winner, but I don't think it
was fair to either team to play on that turnaround
at this level. At this level, you know, these games
are real important. Take the day off, come back on Wednesday,
and even if you have to, like not have the
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day in between for travel. I think the players would
probably choose that because they're in used in the regular season,
they'll travel across the country and play the next day
all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But did they travel to a different country.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Usually not night games though, So that's the only difference
is if you would you could play a day game,
get out of town.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, because you have to get away to get away
day before they playing the next day. That would be
the only thing. What you're bringing up, though, is a
real thing. Like I I think everybody was like, you know,
I could just kind of use a day that was
a lot yesterday. But to Dan's point, it is kind
of the beauty to baseball, which is you have to
you have to plan. And this is where the Dodgers,
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I think who is the reliever you said was basically
doing the kershaw because the Dodgers did that with Kershaw,
going back to the going back to the ds right
where they threw him out there and he took au punishment.
You're like, why why are they leaving him out there? Like, dude,
save the rest of the bullpen, you know, let him
just eat it for a couple innings and then the
next day will be fresh and rested. So there is
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some gamesmanship to it in that you have to you
have to in the back of your mind going we
play tomorrow and now they play again today and they're
fried fried. Everybody's fried today. But that is the beauty
of this thing. And one of the other big storylines
of the day in sports is Michael Jordan's saying he
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doesn't understand the need for load management and he doesn't
with it. And it was on you know, NBC in Peacock,
which is one of the rights holders, and you know,
then you balance that out with baseball, where they already
play on hundred sixty two. Granted, most of the guys
don't play one hundred and sixty two, but are we
really going to complain about having guys play back to
back nights after eighteen eightings of baseball when we're trying
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to make this out to be some glorious, uh manly
exhibition that you can show up every day and play.
Here's Dave Roberts, skipper of the Dodgers, summing up his
team's struggles on offense.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
We haven't found our rhythm.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
We haven't.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It sort of draws dead at certain parts of the
lineup and different parts, different innings, different games. You know,
guys are competing. Certainly in the postseason, you're seeing everyone's best.
But yeah, you know, my hope is we regroup tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, listen, Munsey and Mookie not hitting, although Mookie had
a line drive that was stabbed going down the the
at third base, so it wasn't a exit v low problem.
But I do think that's sort of what he's getting to,
and it's what Jason Stewart has warned us about. It's like, look, dude,
I watch this team all the time. They go through
these droughts, droughts, and don't be fooled by some late
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season success or some postseason heroics. One hundred and sixty
two does tell you who they are, and this is
much more who they are. Is that fair, Jaysue?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, that's a good summation.
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You're gonna want to listen this hour, the press and
getting you ready for Game five of the World Series
this hour. But before we get to that, let's do
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something we do every Wednesday. We call it the Midway.
He's not getting mid with you.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
It's time for stuck.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
In the middle.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
The midway. It could be a sports topic, nonsports topic,
somebody to get you through the middle of the week,
the middle of the day, the middle of the show
and without further ado, here's Jason say.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Doug, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Now the group text went went like this. Now, what
I do appreciate this, and one of the things I
appreciate about any workplace is enthusiasm and collaboration. If you
have those two things, I think you're on the right
track for success and great. So rarely do our group
texts involve enthusiasm and collaboration. That today was kind of
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a anice, So I want to I want to bring
attention to it. So I said, for the midway, we
are halfway through the NFL regular season, what's the biggest surprise?
And then I threw out a Jordan wild management thing
about is this the biggest fu to fans in sports?
And then Doug said, I like in person or TV
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and go through all the sports. Dan says, let's wait
until week nine. Now, this is where I'm gonna stop
this conversation, and I need to do a sidebar. Okay,
let's do quick math sidebar.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Here. What's the sidebar? Every please approach Judge Stewart's desk
for the sidebar, Doug.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I'm gonna pull a Doug here, and I'm going to
ask you a question. You're not anticipating. What is half
of seventeen?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Eight and a half?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We are midway through week nine of the NFL season.
Midway through week nine is another way of saying half
of seventeen. So today is the midway point of the
NFL regular season.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Ah, that was the reason for the question midway.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I disagree. I object hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's an eighteen week schedule.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Oh, seventeen games, eighteen weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So after week nine we.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Were sustained objections, objections of stained.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, the listeners know what we're doing next week, so
put it on your calendar circle. Your calendar. Next week
is halfway through the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So we go with mine.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
We're gonna do dougs in person or in TV. Go
through the sports. Damn.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, well let me let me just kind of go
through what I was thinking because I didn't expound upon it.
Then you guys kind of discuss. It's like I do
you guys know Scott Scott Shapiro, he's on a run here.
He's like Pablo Tory, bringing down industry like his run.
That's what our boss Scott Shapiro's are He goes to
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Vikings game in Dublin, right, goes to the Vikings Charger
game on Thursday night, and then he and his son
pop up at game Game three of the World Series.
Apparently they stayed all eighteen innings, which is amazing. We
could have done when do you leave or did you leave?
But instead, I like this one of those things that
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like part of me is part of me thinks that's awesome.
He was there for. He was there for in any conversation,
one of the greats, if not the greatest Major League
Baseball World Series game of all time. It has to
be at least discussed, right, okay, But truth be told,
if you're there, you're pot committed and you're like, okay,
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first to get to a World Series game. As Jason
Stewart you pointed out, it is hell with traffic. I
guarantee Rogers Center. I know the Canadians do a better
job with public transportation than we can do to the ravine,
but it couldn't possibly be no try, And then you
know you're paying absorbent fees, and then you're there you
can't control who sits around you. And then like if
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the game's bad, he can't really leave because he had
so much invested. And if the game's good, kids like
at some point you're like, oh, do it. Whereas if
you're at home and you got something else to do,
you can just pause it, come back to it. You
can fall asleep as I did in Game two. Hey,
you don't feel as bad and baseball, as much as
it's great to say, you're there, if you're up in
the third deck or you're watching your couch, the couch
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is better. So here's my question, and it's open, and
I will stop talking world See. We can start with
World Series and then we can work our way to
college football to NFL football, to NFL playoff games, to
NBA games, to NBA postseason games, to college basketball regular
season to college basketball postseason? What's better in person or
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on TV?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So we're gonna do a topic none of us agreed on.
Is that is that? What it was? That is that?
Where we're at.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Here, it's called the duck.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
I know, but I think we want to save your No,
we saved the NFL for next week, for next week, yes, so,
but the broadcaster, our go to voice was what Doug
was saying, right, like, who's our go to voice that
when we're and I assume that it's there's a a
connection to someone in sports, like that's are we talking
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about like Smoltz here for baseball?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Was that? Like where this where this jumping off point was.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No, it's to me, it was more would you rather
watch on your couch rather?
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Yeah, we go through we're gonna throw all the sports
and we're gonna say would you prefer there to be
on the couch or they're in person?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like like like Dan, when you're watching.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I'll take home for all of them? Right, just home home, home,
home home. And I like to go to games. I do,
I do, But why why home for all of them?
Speaker 8 (21:54):
I just it was just you know, so you Dan,
you went to that Ohio State Oregon game on Year's Day?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
There was a playoff game, right, yes? So what made you?
And Bill's football? I wanted to see the stadium? Ye okay,
so what what made what? What? What was the catalyst
for you to get down to the Rose Bowl. I
didn't want to. I have fomo of not seeing Ohio State.
My wife that's the point. Yeah, my wife didn't. What's
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the point my wife didn't let me go to the
Utah Ohio state game because of COVID fears. We had
our son was young.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
At the time, she was a baby, a baby at
the time.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, So she didn't want to make.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It for people to point. People are like probably listening
like wait, what COVID fears? Like, No, they had a
little baby at the.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Time, Like it was, so I stayed home.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yes, But the fomo is the whole thing, right is
you're missing out on the thing, and you missing out
on the chance to say you were there. All right,
Jay Stu, what about you games you'd rather be at
home for games you'd rather watch on TV?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I wat I think I'm even more of a home
guy than Dan Is. And the strange thing about this
dynamic is nobody driving around listening to the show right
now live is going to turn down a chance to
go to a major sporting event game. I really don't.
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I think we have a very warped view of this
and that we have been privileged enough to get access
to great games. We've been there, done that. The first
thing that I think about, like right now, if Big
Mike were to walk into the studio and say I've
got tickets to game five. I would first of all,
think of all the obstacles and the pain in the
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ass that I'm going to go through, and I would
have to spend five or six hours with thick Mike,
and that's not something I'm looking forward to doing. But
choose the couch every day of the week. Choose the couch.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Oh, I don't know. Okay, So Sam, you're like a
little bit of kindred spirit here college football you'd rather
be in person.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
If I get an opportunity to go to a college
football game, I'm definitely gonna go. I you know, a
couple years ago I went to a USC Colorado game.
I was pre Dione, one of the first years of
Lincoln Riley, and I had never been to the coliseum.
So that's like a bucket list thing. A couple of
years ago or last year, I had never been to
Polya Pavilion and got tickets for Iowa UCLA had to
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go to that. I think it's it's like growing up
in Iowa City. I could tell you it's really easy
because at least where I lived, I lived fifteen minute
walk from the stadium. Different obviously, if you're driving in
from Davenport or Des Moines, or something. The traffic's traffic
can be a biach, but walking from your house to
the stadium is awesome, and then the tailgating is awesome.
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So like going to the game and getting out in
and out of the stadium is not that hard. But
then going like Sofi and finding parking, finding reasonably priced parking,
and then the whole complex is so huge, and then
finding your seats in Sofi, it's all you know. So
some might say I'd rather stay at home for that,
but listen, I went to a I went to a
Dodger playoff game a few years ago. I think it
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was versus the Giants. It was like one nothing Giants.
It was very windy. We're up way up in the
in the nosebleeds, and I swear there was like peanut
shells flying into my eyeballs like it was not I
can say happily. I'm glad I put the bucket list
item of going to a Dodger game, but I would
have watched rather have watched that game at home.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Again, I think I think baseball the sport is way
better in the playoffs, but it's better to be in
person in the regular season because it's so laid back
and you can talk and have beers and whatever. On
the other hand, like being there in person is really cool.
I think baseball it's so good on TV, so good
on TV that unless you have great seats, you're at home.
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I college football, college basketball, I think in person.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, because the students are there, it's more routed.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Energy to it. NBA basketball, I actually think NBA and NFL.
NBA is probably better in person if you're in the
lower bowl the upper bowl, you would be. NFL. I
think it's such a well covered TV sport. I would
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always do that one at home.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And the in game NFL experience, And I've been saying
this for years, so this isn't a new thing. The
in game NFL experience hasn't caught up to anything close
to the home experience. Like you sit there and you
feel those commercials like that. There's something about the NFL
game that seems to and there's a ton of downtime
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when you're at the game that you don't even realize
when you're on the couch, Like it's to me. I
I would much rather not go to an NFL game
than those other sports you mentioned that.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
I when I've gone to Iowa games at Kinnick. There
is a lot of standing around waiting because at home
you're watching those commercials. It's commercial time out, what is it?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
The red hat?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The reviews as and you're like, oh, come on, and
then that's a fair one.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
You're being entertained through all that stuff when you're watching
on TV.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I here, I have two things that I have to
make sure that I mentioned. One, I do have fomo,
I do have them. I watch and then I'm like, guy,
I wish I was there, and then I'm there. I'm
like I kind of could have stayed home. So me
saying this may sound a little bit more over ambitious
than the reality. Dan, I may side with you, guys
if somebody asked me point play. So that's the first thing.
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The second thing is, for twenty better part of twenty
three years, I called games. So going to a sporting
event where I don't hear somebody talking to me in
my ear is so refreshing to me. It just is,
like I told you, guys, I went to all but
one of the Packers' home games last year, and I
(27:46):
find especially said, if you get in the lower Bowl
in Lambeau, it's like a college stadium. Everybody's just into
the game, nobody's on their phone, You're just having a
great time. But the other part to it is there's
no voices in my ears other than guys yelling go pack, go,
and and and can you pass me that beer? Right?
That's literally it. So I do think maybe I like
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in stadium or in arena a little bit more in
my mind more recently than reality, because I'm so used
to having somebody talking to my ear and it's like
refreshing to just go and absorb and enjoy a sporting event.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think that's it too for me. You mentioned Lambo, Like,
if you told me I could see a game in Lambo,
I'm gonna go. But it's more to say that I
have been in Lambeau and the new experience at once.
I don't need to see more than one game, you know,
Dan and I just went to formally Rich Stadium and
that was a great experience and I don't need to
see another one. Sure, So yeah, there are exceptions to
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this rule.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Here, okay, and that is the Midway.
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Speaker 1 (28:56):
App Also on TV last night was the NBA. No,
I'm not talking about the games in the NBA. I'm
talking about Michael Jordan's second appearance on NBC where he's
basically being interviewed by Mike Trico. Take a listen to
what mj had to say on the insights to excellence
in regards to load management.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
What do you think of when you hear the term
load management thrown around?
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Uh, well, it shouldn't be needed first and foremost. You know,
I never wanted to miss a game because it was
an opportunity to prove it was. It was something that
I felt like, you know, the fans are there that
watch me play. I want to impress that guy way
up on top who probably worked his ass off to
get a ticket or to get money to buy the ticket.
You have a duty that if they're wanting to see you,
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And as an entertainer, I want to show right. If
the guys are coming to watch me play, I don't
want to miss that opportunity. Now, physically, if I can't
do it, then I can't do it. But physically if
I can do it, and I just don't feel like
doing it. That's a whole different lens.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
There you go, there you go. Yeah, if I can
do it, then I will do it. I think what's fascinating.
And we've heard these arguments before. Barkley's talked about it.
Shack sort of talked about it, all right, he sort
(30:20):
of talked about it. Every other former NBA or you know,
is reliving their glory days talking about back in their
day they played a two games. We would all agree
it's different than Michael Jordan saying it. And we got
the podcast. The podcast drops the start of the third
hour of the show, so in an hour.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
And what.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
An hour and twenty two minutes hour and twenty two
minutes to podcast drops full hour podcast download it where
every download podcast just typened Doug Gottlieb Show. So we'll
talk a little bit more about this. But byer, you know,
I think the only two winners in Jordan's saying that
last night, and he's not obviously not the first, won't
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be the last to talk about it. The winners are
Jordan himself at NBC because everybody is playing Jordan's comments,
So Michael Jordan looks even more heroic as opposed to
all the current players because he played eighty two games,
and NBC looks great because like, hey, we hired Jordan
and he said something. Regardless of whether or not most
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people have said this anyway, it's Michael Jordan's saying something.
I don't think the NBA wins because it makes the
current NBA look kind of la laughably soft and inept
in comparison to the old NBA. Obviously, the current players
don't win, current stars don't win. I think the only
winners are Jordan an NBC.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm just glad that Jordan didn't give the I wanted
the fans to make sure that they could see me argument. Well,
I know that maybe a valid argument to some. I
think that it takes responsibility off the players themselves, and
Jordan just saying I wanted to go out there and
compete is all that the other NBA players need to know.
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I do think that there is a different time now
where we wait so much on championships, and maybe it's
because of Michael Jordan that we do that, where it
is trying to put yourself in the best possible spot
to be able to win a championship. So I do
think that that argument from the other side is fair.
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But I just am glad that Jordan just took the
responsibility and said, essentially, I'm a competitor. I didn't want
to miss a game. I wanted to win at everything
that I could, And I don't think that that notion
is prevalent in the NBA at this point.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I don't know the one thing I will tell you
and I I'm gonna agree and then sort of disagree
with you. Dance to stick with me. I agree with
you that it feels like championships are way more like
we as media members have created this. If you didn't
win a championshi ship, you didn't do anything. And while
it was always a thing, it's even more so now
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than it's ever been before. I will point out though,
that during the rise of Jordan, right, that was when
Magic and Bird were dominating the league and they were
judged purely based upon the number of championships won, and
Jordan was the guy that everyone said he's the best
player ever, but he's never won a championship, so we can't.
And then he started winning championships and you know, essentially
didn't lose one, with exception of the year that when
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he returned uh, and he's wearing forty five. The point
I'm saying is, I think I agree with you in
that the twenty four to seven news cycle, which didn't
exist back then, has pushed even more so to the
championships or nothing. But it was a thing when he
was playing that solidified you as the all time greats
in terms of did you win a championship and number
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of championships won. So again, it's probably smarter, right, it's
probably smarter to do it this way. Here's the counterintuitive part,
the part that doesn't make sense. All of these doctors
are using data and saying you're more likely to get
(34:08):
injured if you play more. You have to manage. You
have to manage people's body, You have to manage the
amount of time in the court. What's crazy about it
is we didn't have this rash of Achilles injuries then.
We didn't. We didn't have guys missing games. It's really similar, Well,
this is a stretch. It's really similar to anything. Like
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we didn't test for things back then, and it's no
different than like autism rates, like they're through the roof now. Yeah,
but we didn't test for it. We didn't have a
baseline and more things are considered autism now or or
mental health in terms of people doing harm to themselves
or committing suicide. We have more access to mental health
(34:51):
than we've ever had, and yet there's a greater mental
health crisis than we've ever had before. They have better medicine,
they travel better, taking care of better, they practice less,
the equipment is better, they play fewer games, and yet
there's more injuries. It doesn't make any sense. It is counterintuitive.
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But last night none of that mattered to As people
who don't like Jordan will point out, they're right here
that Jordan helped Jordan last night. Jordan helped NBC last night.
I don't think anybody else is really helped last night.
As the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, So we've
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talked a lot about the Steelers in the preseason. Right
we were waiting on Aaron Rodgers to sign there, and
then we thought it was kind of curious that they
did all these deals where it feels like they're pushing
their chips all in. Then they get Aaron Rodgers and
then sort of uneven. The defense does not look does
(35:57):
not look good enough in terms of getting to the
quarterback I think that's a massive, massive issue. Doesn't look
good getting to the quarterback. That's something that's gonna hold
it back. And Aaron Rodgers looks good but still looks
forty and they basically have one weapon as a pass catcher.
It's a bit of a flawed team, not a terrible team,
(36:19):
not a great team. Here's Mike Tomlin, their longtime head coach,
analyzing their mid season report.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
I don't think I like how we responded to the
explosion plays, phil flipping plays, drive producing conversion third downs
that happened in the third quarter. I didn't think our
offense responded very well to the non call on the
first third down of the half. And you know, you
don't always have control over what happens to your end game.
Rest assured some things are going to happen. There's ebb
and flow over the course of sixty minutes. But in
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that instance, as a collective, we feel like we didn't
respond any the appropriate or the desired way. We didn't
smile in the face of it, we didn't produce the
type of plays that counteract those things and get the
balance back in our favor. And so we're certainly being
critical of ourselves, and we're utilizing that as fuel as
we prepare for our next opportunity. The first component of
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fixing it is acknowledging it. You really don't get an
opportunity to fix it until you face those circumstances again,
and so we spend some time acknowledging it. We're going
to get back to work. We certainly believe that we
work in the right spirit, we do the right things environmentally.
We're going to get back to work, man and wait
for our opportunity to rectify it. You can spend a
lot of time talking about your ills, but the true
(37:31):
fixes come in stadiums, and so that's why sometimes I'm
somewhat hesitant to respond to the how do you fix it? Question?
There's certainly procedurally things that you go about doing that
fixes it, but the fix happens in stadium and the
rest of it is.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Just talk, all right, So he's talking about fixing it
at Manby. They're not perfect. Again. I don't know if
any of this does anything for the current Steelers other
than there was a lot of words salad there that
I I generally want to buy because I like Mike Tomlin.
Does that make sense? Dan Yeah, it's like, hey, we
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got this process of fixing it and blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah. Like I like Mike Tom and
it sounds cool.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Sure, yes, I think he would give him the benefit
of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, but he really didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
No. Yeah, also like they are only seven games into
their season, which isn't even halfway through the season right now.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Eighteen Oh, Dan will extract his pound of flesh whenever
that's all right to be possible.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I completely read your text wrong. That's why I was
so caught off guard during the midway. I was like,
what are you talking about, Doug, and I just yeah,
So it was it was all a combo.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, I'm totally okay with it, totally okay with it.
All Right's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah. Of course, you can hear
DJ on the Move the Sticks podcast. You can see
him on the NFL Network. You don also hear him
on our sister station, Los Angeles Score. He broadcasts as
an analysts the LA Chargers games. I do want to
(39:08):
ask you about the Chargers. Dan Byer brought up a
really really good point, and it was, you know, Justin
Herbert has been this guy who doesn't have social media
out of the spotlight. Now he starts dating a young, talented,
famous woman, and back to back nights we se him
at the Laker game and then at the World Series game. Right,
(39:31):
is is this is this you know, a somebody telling
him he's got to be out in front of the
camera and represent all of Los Angeles. Are we pushing
Justin Herbert to be somebody he's not?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't, you know, I don't know what the uh,
what the that specific situation is, but I would just say,
to me, it looks like he's just getting kind of
more comfortable. And I know usually when you have somebody
who's going out, you know during the season, you'll have
people question, oh, does this mean he's not putting it
in the time in or his focus and blah blah.
I would just say Herbert's like the smartest, most like
(40:08):
singularly focused guy. It probably in his case, is a
good thing to just kind of, you know, get away
for a second because he's been so obsessive. So I just,
from from where I stand, I look at that and say, okay,
somebody who's who's happy. He's sounds like he's found somebody
he likes and he's he's getting out a little bit
and and maybe that'll, you know, ease some of the
(40:29):
the internal pressure that he puts on himself.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Fair enough, Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
How much of it is is quality of competition? How
much of it is the Cantcy Chiefs figuring it out well.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I definitely think health is just the biggest component. You know,
they've just gotten healthier and that's you know, that's the
biggest thing. And I still don't think they're playing perfectly.
You know, they're putting up points, which is great to see,
but I still think there's another level that they can
get to. But you know, yeah, we'll see. As a
I'm looking forward to those two showdowns with Denver and
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looking forward to that, you know, rematch with the Charges
a little bit later in the year. I think it's
the best division in football, and I think all three
of those teams it's going to be awesome matchups.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I completely agree Denver. Denver is a fascinating, fast dating watch.
There's talk in Indy of extending Danny Dimes of giving
him a new contract, would you do that?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think so. I don't think that this is something
that's not repeatable, and I think it's very sustainable, and
I don't think that price is going to go down.
So I could understand that if they wanted to try
and do it now, thinking they would get a little
bit of a discount versus what it would be at
the end of the year. I saw that team in
person and studied that team, and the way he's playing
(41:50):
is there's nothing really fluky about it. You know, they've
got good pieces around him. They've got a good play
caller there in Shane Stiken, But you know he's making
all the throws. He's playing with toys accurate. He can
move round if you need him too. And I don't
think that offense asked him to be the star Jonathan
Taylor is that. But I think you have to pay
a little bit more than you're paint of now to
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keep them going forward. And that price with quarterbacks never
goes down.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
No, it does not, It really doesn't. It really really
really doesn't. This is the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio. That's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah Move the
sticks is in fact is the podcast Baltimore wins with
Snoop Huntley at quarterback. Looks like Lamar Jackson is going
to be back. They go to Miami, who the offense
(42:35):
continue to play well, defense is not great. But big
stretch here for the Ravens. Dolphins in the road, Bye week,
Vikings in the road, and Browns in the road. Three
games that on paper you should win, but they haven't
won games in the football field. Where are you on
the Ravens as they said at two and five, but
get the quarterback healthy.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, I think it's lined up for him really well.
You know, when you look at the schedule going all
the way through the rest of the year, there's a
lot of wins on there. So I think they're getting
Lamar back at just the right time. And more so
maybe than the Ravens. I think it's the fact that
the Steelers had this thing kind of on a t
for them and they couldn't they couldn't put it away.
So I think at one in five where they were
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before last week, you're sitting here going, oh, this is rough,
But then you look at the schedule and then you
just have no confidence that Pittsburgh's gonna run away and hide.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah. Speaking of Pittsburgh, obviously we saw them against the
Green Bay Packers. Let's start with well, let's start with
the Steelers. I got to tell you. The most disappointing
part is the defense. The offense is a weird mix.
Is yet no pressure at all on Jordan Love?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Well?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
They can't. I mean, here's the thing. You're not going
to get pressure when you've got guys wide open the
entire game. So I think this is a linebacker back
end issue more even than a pressure issue. You don't
have time to get home and Douglas throwing five yard
flat routes Tucker Kraft and they can't get them on
the ground and they turn into explosive plays. It's one
of the worst tackling defenses in the NFL, which is
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just not the way the Steelers have have played football
for the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
No, not at all. Okay, let's get let's go to
the Packers. How real is that fourth quarter?
Speaker 8 (44:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Look, I think that they have everything that they need there.
It's just there's never a there's never a straight path
in these seasons. You go up, you go down. But
when you see them, when they are in those moments
and they're high. They can be the best team in football.
So I I'm I'm very bullish on them. You know,
once you once you look at where they're going and
what they have. I think they have absolutely everything that
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they need.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. That is Daniel Jeremiah.
He's joining us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's uh, let's let's get to
the Seattle Seahawks. They're at five and two, and again
I'll lean on Buyer because he's our Seahawks fan. Plus
(44:59):
he's worth he's watch. But he's like, look, Sam Donald
still Sam Donald, right, and you and I love him,
but he still will make just a bizarre turnover every
now and again. We're just like, what are you doing?
They come off the bye week. This week they go
to the Commanders that are all banged up, Cardinals winnable
(45:20):
game at home, to the Rams, to the Titans, Vikings
at home Falcons. I want to get to the Falcons
in a second. But how good are the Seahawks really?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I think there's a couple holes that they have, including
one of the guard spots, which We'll see if they
do anything to address that. But I think on the whole,
I think Sam is you know, yeah, maybe a play
here or there, but on the whole, he played really,
really well, and I feel like he does get held
to a little bit of a different standard. We don't
talk about Mahomes with a couple hiccups here or there,
you know, some dumb turnovers. I feel like that anytime
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Sam does that, there's a little bit of the there
it is, you know, a moment. But I think overwhelmingly,
for going on a year and a half now, he's
played it a very high level. I think that defensively,
their front is excellent. Just in terms of the depths.
Leonard Williams is playing awesome, Murphy's been stud dt. I
would yeah, they could get a big time, big time
edge rusher. They don't have that, but they've got about
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four or five guys they roll through there who are
really good. And the secondary is has got some playmakers
back there. They need to get healthy. They didn't get
with usmim back. But yeah, I think they're they might
pick to win that division. And I'm not going to
come off of that.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
What's happened to the falcons man. Again, I understand, you know,
Kirk Cousins generally washed, right, That's that's kind of my
takeaway when I watch him. But when Pennix was there,
like he didn't look great. I just I'm I think
I'm surprised at how especially how they played Sunday. But
but what they've kind of morphed into, are you Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I don't know. I mean, I try and give you
a good answer on these, but this one, I don't
know what that team is like it's a checko on
high team gets shut out by the Panthers.
Speaker 10 (47:01):
You know, a while.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Back he lay and egg again. I know it was
with Cousins, but lay an egg there and then they
can come out and in one week just run the
ball down your throats and you know, get all kinds
of pressure on the quarterback. And I don't know, I
don't know whether than to say that it's just kind
of an immature team that lacks any consistency. But I
mean they are you know, the Forrest Gump in the line,
(47:23):
you know, the box of chocolates every week when they
come on, you have no idea what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
None, zero, zilch zip, nada, zero ziltch zip nada. Did
Minnesota make a mistake in their quarterback decisions?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Well, you know, let's let's see McCarthy play, you know,
a good stretch before we can say that. But you know,
people forget last year it was Daniel Jones and Sam
Darnold in that building, you know, and you look at
all the other pieces they have With either one of
those guys playing quarterback for him right now, going through
this year, I think they'd be in a completely different place.
But I don't want to you know, I don't I
don't want to bear McCarthy. We haven't seen enough of
(48:01):
him yet, so let's get him back healthy and see
what he looks like. But yeah, I would think there's
a there's there's a peak curiosity to see how this
turns out because they had two really talented guys and
they're building not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Uh does the comeback for the Jets change anything about
how you viewed justin fields Now?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I think he's pretty well established, you know, and you
just take it for what it is, and it's just
a hard way to consistently win football games with that
play style. So I think at the end of the day,
he's a really good backup, but you know, nothing they
can do to solve that problem. Now, I don't love
the owner, you know, going out and publicly saying what
(48:40):
he said. I just thought that was kind of a
little bit bush league. But you know, I get the
frustration there at that time. You haven't won a game,
but you just don't. I'm not used to seeing that
from an owner. That was that was That was a
rough one.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, bush league. No, No, it's the Jets. Joe Douglas
can tell you like they they have core. They and
the Browns of Corn, of the mark on Bush Lake.
That's just that's what they do. That's who they are,
all right, DJ. Last thing, how are Chargers? I mean
obviously really good on Thursday night, Get the week off,
(49:12):
to get right, get healthy, give me the status report.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
I think Joel, you saw what difference he makes. I
mean he unlocked a run game. He gave Herbert some time.
You look up and all of a sudden, that team
over the last years, a lot of really good young players.
And you're seeing gatst in the tight ends and been
playing great. You know, Viydell while he's filling in at
the second year. Guys put up a couple of hundred
(49:38):
yard games, Trey Harris, the rookie scores. You know mcconkee
in year two. You know, they've got a lot of
young guys that you would think just because of you know,
how new they are to the league, not just the Chargers,
that they're need to get better.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
You're the best brother. Thanks so much for joining us.
Look forward to you. Obviously you enjoyed one weekend and off.
Now you get another weekend off, right, So I mean
you're just having I mean, just living the life.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Jersey, you know, just just enjoying life.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Wow, you are a you are a hater. I was
just you know, I should have looked you up. I
was in del Mar for a couple of nights this weekend.
So nice. Oh it does not, It does not. Uh,
you're the best brother. Thanks for joining us. Anybody, It's
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I think
(50:29):
what I love about Dana and Jeremiah, and this is funny,
is I did I spent like two days in Diego
over the weekend. Dan and I felt guilty about It's like, look,
I needed a couple of days season starting. Had dinner
with my brother and a couple of you know, a
couple others, and we I sit down at sushi on
(50:51):
Sunday night and one of the channels has his dad preaching.
I'm like, oh, shoot, I didn't look up DJ and
I'm right down the street of his house. But here's
the brilliance the DJ when he's NFL Network only before
he got the Chargers job, he never moved. He's like, look,
I like san Diego. I'm living in San Diego. I'm
not moving. And you know what, if you've been to
San Diego and you're set there, I don't blame yet.
(51:12):
I don't blame you.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
It's a nice spot.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Oh it doesn't suck. It doesn't suck at all. Opposite
whatever suck is, it's the opposite of that. That's probably
the best way toward it. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
You heard the voice of Dan Byer. You'll hear more
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Dodgers threw through a reliever to the Wolves as they're
as they're prone to do. Blake Snell goes tonight ton
to talk about as as Dan Bayer said yesterday, Hey
remember the NBA. Yeah, that was fun. We talked about
it for about two days. And I actually think that's
the power of when you know you have a baseball
series that captivates people's attention, because look, when the NFL
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is not being played, you can still talk about the NBA.
I mean, so you still talk about the NFL, but
there is room during the week for other sports conversation.
And because Major League Baseball, I think was so good
Game two, it's got our attention. It's got our attention.
(01:51):
I guess here's a question. We do make things out
to be either your clutch or you're not clutch, right,
But but Joe Hay has shown him himself to have
these games where he's just incredibly dominant. Game four of
the of the nl CS, right, unbelievable, three home runs,
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strikes out ten. Dude's incredible. Then you go to Game
three of the World Series and he hits two home runs,
it's four to four. He's on base all nine times
he strides up to the plate. It's weird, though, to
sit there and go you start to realize the idea
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of being clutched can at times be a flawed idea
because I give you show, hey, Otani, you can't be
as good as he was last game, as good as
he's been in big situations, and then you know, you
do give up a two run home run. That's just
that just shows a bunch of things. One, it can
(02:56):
be sort of ridiculous on how we hyper judge clutchness
in a sport like baseball. It also shows just the
levels there the mistakes that are made are so magnified.
And he made a mistake on a sweeper against one
of the five best hitters in the sport who deposited
that one in a home run, and that it felt
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like a weight off of the back of the Blue Jays.
And it now comes back around to Blake Snow who's
been great in the World Series in the past, great
obviously last series, but was terrible by his own admission
in Game one against the Blue Jays. And the Blue
Jays all stats tell you they eat up left handed pitching,
(03:41):
especially left handed starting pitching. Now that doesn't mean I'm
calling a series for one side or the other, but
it just got really, really interesting. It had been interesting,
but it had been despite the fact the Blue Jays
they're an expensive team, they're a talented team. It had
been one in which it was really about, hey, are
(04:03):
the Dodgers two rested too rusty? And can the Blue
Jays put them in a spot where they can't come
from behind? And then it became about that epic Game three,
And now it's like, not is it ever anyone's game,
but it does go back to you're gonna have to
win that series in Toronto Jays two, take me through again.
(04:27):
I loved what you shared with us yesterday because of
the true emotions you felt watching a team that you're
not just a fan. You're You're not like I'm a fan,
You're a real fan. You really pay attention, you really care,
and you really understand what and why the support is
is is how it is? What's your emotions in watching
last night's game.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Last night's game was a kind of a microcosm of
what we've been watching all season with this team. I
think people loose side of the fact that this team
largely underperformed during the season. I mean, you make a
big deal out of the bullpen. That's kind of will
hanging fruit. As far as what this team doesn't do well,
but it also is renowned for just going dark. Offensively,
(05:11):
They'll go two three games with getting just a few hits.
Mookie Betts three for nineteen, Maximuntsi three for seventeen, Tommy
ednin three for eighteen, and keyk Hernandez three for sixteen.
And then this didn't even include Andy Pajez, who I
think is one for twenty or something ridiculous. So it's
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this is just one of the warts that is magnified.
But I'm not surprised. But I do want to quote
one of the great orders of our time, Magic Johnson.
He's one of the owners of the Dodgers. He tweeted
this out a couple hours ago. With the series being
two to two, game five is very important. Whichever team
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wins takes control of the series exclamation point. So I'm
going to lean on Mad. That's great insight, and we'll
see what happens today.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Has there ever been anyone who's worse on social media
and more successful in life than Magic Johnson? Byer, what
do you think? Has there ever been anyone who's more
successful in life?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
I haven't. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
I can I can let me explain the Magic Johnson thing,
because I saw it in full effect in August. Dana
and David Pump are dear friends of mine. They they
they've had their fingers in a lot of different thing,
hands on a lot of different things in terms of
basketball over the years. But they have a Pump Foundation,
family Foundation dinner. They have a cancer award research center
(06:47):
named after their mom in at Northridge Hospital, and so
they do a fundraiser every year. And I'm seen it
like I think fifteen years and Magic got up to
raise money and he donated for the opening game of
the Lakers against the Warriors. Like ten seats you sat
with mad It was some crazy, crazy deal. But I'm
(07:10):
I have to admit that, like everybody, when you read
Magic tweets, you're like, oh my god, what am I
dealing with here? How is this guy so successful in
business and so bad on social media? So Captain obvious? Right,
that was the Captain obvious. Captain Obvious thinks that tweet
was Captain obvious. But you see him in front of
(07:32):
a room and how he it's not just a smile,
he just he points guys out and in the in
midstream of of doing some sort of ted talk to
motivate people, he just makes everybody feel like he got you,
he's paying attention to you, he knows yea, he loves you,
and he and you connect with magic. But man, if
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you went with if you went based upon social media,
you would think that guy's the biggest yuts there is.
And yet guys, likely he's a billionaire. And it's amazing.
But yeah, Game five does determine the series. I love
the baseball. It's like bang bang bang bang bang, And
I get that. You look, we're dragging on into November anyway,
(08:14):
so it's not like baseball has moved along, But gosh,
this is it's so watchable because the emotions are still
from the night before, are still present. Like I'm watching
last night's game and I still kind of feel like
I'm watching the previous night's game, and I'm still on
that emotional high from watching a great sporting event even
though it's not my team. I can't imagine for Jason Stewart,
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who because it is his team and he's so emotionally
and mentally invested, And then imagine being a player and hey,
we got to get back after it. I know, when
you start playing, you're not thinking of big picture of
things or hey, we just got done playing last night.
But I love this the baseball bam bam, bam, bam bam,
as opposed to like NBA finals that are so spaced out.
(08:56):
I just love this. Go ahead, Dan, look like you had.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Some well just quickly on that point. The NBA spaces
it out so much so everybody gets rest. But I
think that's part of the genius of baseball is it
reflects what the regular season is so as a whole.
And I think that Game three may have taken a
toll on some of the players. I don't know if
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the weather did last night. We joked about that earlier
with Sam, but it was warm, like it was, it
was hot. But that's part of the genius of it
of Dave Roberts even said I think during the game
on Game three, early on when he was doing his
in game interview, when they had a decision to make
with Glasnow, He's like, you know, I don't necessarily want
(09:44):
to go to the pen here, you know, four innings in,
you know, to Game three, when we've got these three
games here. I think that's all part of it. I
think that's that's it. I don't want to say it's
a better way to make you know a champion or
to determine a champion, but it just fits at least
with what the regular season is, where you don't have
guys where you could just throw your best pitcher in
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five out of the seven games.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
A good friend of mine Reality Steve. You can find
him at Reality Steve on social media, big Dodger fan,
and he floated this idea, and I think this actually
is a good one, that there should be a rule
in place in the World Series that if a game
goes a certain amount of time or a certain amount
of innings, then you just take the next day off
(10:30):
so that both teams could kind of reset their bullpen
and stuff. I don't think it was fair to either
team to play the game yesterday. And as a fan
and I didn't go, but I talked to people that
actually went to both games and they were just exhausted.
I mean, could you imagine dealing with that traffic in
and out and get in less than twenty four hours.
But anyways, so as a viewer on my couch, I
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was exhausted. I'm like, do I really want to watch
another game.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I honestly felt the same thing. And again I don't
have the I don't have a horse in the race. Yes, yes, Stampire.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
No, I was just gonna say Jason's point of like, man,
I was so exhausted going to both World Series games
like as a first world problem. I mean, how many
how many people there went to the game before? Do
you think I would say?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Not much?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Jester Herbert going to both games?
Speaker 4 (11:21):
He wasn't there. Last night they had a different parade
of Star Prince Harry. Yeah, which, by the way, I
knew the Dodgers are going to lose once I saw
Megan Markle with a Dodgers head on. It was over cool.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
If there's ever a cooler in wife, it's Meghan Markle.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
She's like, the Dodgers haven't lost yet. Guys. You guys,
you've everer that interview anybody?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yes, anybody yet yet yet? Yeah? I mean, like, look,
could you have I guess you could have get hey,
let's everybody take the day off. I don't know the
reality to that. I guess you could pull it off
because they have had weather delays and whatever, but it
would it would screw everything up.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Do you think it helped Toronto last night, I don't
think it helped either team. Toronto ended up winning. There
has to be a winner, but I don't think it
was fair to either team to play on that turnaround
at this level. At this level, you know, these games
are real important. Take the day off, come back on Wednesday,
and even if you have to, like not have the
(12:29):
day in between for travel. I think the players would
probably choose that because they're in used in the regular season,
they'll travel across the country and play the next day
all the time.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But did they travel to a different country.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Usually not night games though, So that's the only difference
is if you would you could play a day game,
get out of town.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah, because you have to get away to get away
day before they playing the next day. That would be
the only thing. What you're bringing up, though, is a
real thing. Like I I think everybody was like, you know,
I could just kind of use a day that was
a lot yesterday. But to Dan's point, it is kind
of the beauty to baseball, which is you have to
you have to plan. And this is where the Dodgers,
(13:13):
I think who is the reliever you said was basically
doing the kershaw because the Dodgers did that with Kershaw,
going back to the going back to the ds right
where they threw him out there and he took au punishment.
You're like, why why are they leaving him out there? Like, dude,
save the rest of the bullpen, you know, let him
just eat it for a couple innings and then the
next day will be fresh and rested. So there is
(13:33):
some gamesmanship to it in that you have to you
have to in the back of your mind going we
play tomorrow and now they play again today and they're
fried fried. Everybody's fried today. But that is the beauty
of this thing. And one of the other big storylines
of the day in sports is Michael Jordan's saying he
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doesn't understand the need for load management and he doesn't
with it. And it was on you know, NBC in Peacock,
which is one of the rights holders, and you know,
then you balance that out with baseball, where they already
play on hundred sixty two. Granted, most of the guys
don't play one hundred and sixty two, but are we
really going to complain about having guys play back to
back nights after eighteen eightings of baseball when we're trying
(14:17):
to make this out to be some glorious, uh manly
exhibition that you can show up every day and play.
Here's Dave Roberts, skipper of the Dodgers, summing up his
team's struggles on offense.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
We haven't found our rhythm.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
We haven't.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
It sort of draws dead at certain parts of the
lineup and different parts, different innings, different games. You know,
guys are competing. Certainly in the postseason, you're seeing everyone's best.
But yeah, you know, my hope is we regroup tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, listen, Munsey and Mookie not hitting, although Mookie had
a line drive that was stabbed going down the the
at third base, so it wasn't a exit v low problem.
But I do think that's sort of what he's getting to,
and it's what Jason Stewart has warned us about. It's like, look, dude,
I watch this team all the time. They go through
these droughts, droughts, and don't be fooled by some late
(15:16):
season success or some postseason heroics. One hundred and sixty
two does tell you who they are, and this is
much more who they are. Is that fair, Jaysue?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
No, that's a good summation.
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You're gonna want to listen this hour, the press and
getting you ready for Game five of the World Series
this hour. But before we get to that, let's do
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something we do every Wednesday. We call it the Midway.
He's not getting mid with you.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
It's time for stuck.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
In the middle.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
The midway. It could be a sports topic, nonsports topic,
somebody to get you through the middle of the week,
the middle of the day, the middle of the show
and without further ado, here's Jason say.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Doug, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Now the group text went went like this. Now, what
I do appreciate this, and one of the things I
appreciate about any workplace is enthusiasm and collaboration. If you
have those two things, I think you're on the right
track for success and great. So rarely do our group
texts involve enthusiasm and collaboration. That today was kind of
(16:59):
a anice, So I want to I want to bring
attention to it. So I said, for the midway, we
are halfway through the NFL regular season, what's the biggest surprise?
And then I threw out a Jordan wild management thing
about is this the biggest fu to fans in sports?
And then Doug said, I like in person or TV
(17:21):
and go through all the sports. Dan says, let's wait
until week nine. Now, this is where I'm gonna stop
this conversation, and I need to do a sidebar. Okay,
let's do quick math sidebar.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Here. What's the sidebar? Every please approach Judge Stewart's desk
for the sidebar, Doug.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
I'm gonna pull a Doug here, and I'm going to
ask you a question. You're not anticipating. What is half
of seventeen?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Eight and a half?
Speaker 3 (17:49):
We are midway through week nine of the NFL season.
Midway through week nine is another way of saying half
of seventeen. So today is the midway point of the
NFL regular season.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Ah, that was the reason for the question midway.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
I disagree. I object hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Hold on.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It's an eighteen week schedule.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Oh, seventeen games, eighteen weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
So after week nine we.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Were sustained objections, objections of stained.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Well, the listeners know what we're doing next week, so
put it on your calendar circle. Your calendar. Next week
is halfway through the NFL season.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
So we go with mine.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
We're gonna do dougs in person or in TV. Go
through the sports. Damn.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, well let me let me just kind of go
through what I was thinking because I didn't expound upon it.
Then you guys kind of discuss. It's like I do
you guys know Scott Scott Shapiro, he's on a run here.
He's like Pablo Tory, bringing down industry like his run.
That's what our boss Scott Shapiro's are He goes to
(19:03):
Vikings game in Dublin, right, goes to the Vikings Charger
game on Thursday night, and then he and his son
pop up at game Game three of the World Series.
Apparently they stayed all eighteen innings, which is amazing. We
could have done when do you leave or did you leave?
But instead, I like this one of those things that
(19:24):
like part of me is part of me thinks that's awesome.
He was there for. He was there for in any conversation,
one of the greats, if not the greatest Major League
Baseball World Series game of all time. It has to
be at least discussed, right, okay, But truth be told,
if you're there, you're pot committed and you're like, okay,
(19:45):
first to get to a World Series game. As Jason
Stewart you pointed out, it is hell with traffic. I
guarantee Rogers Center. I know the Canadians do a better
job with public transportation than we can do to the ravine,
but it couldn't possibly be no try, And then you
know you're paying absorbent fees, and then you're there you
can't control who sits around you. And then like if
(20:07):
the game's bad, he can't really leave because he had
so much invested. And if the game's good, kids like
at some point you're like, oh, do it. Whereas if
you're at home and you got something else to do,
you can just pause it, come back to it. You
can fall asleep as I did in Game two. Hey,
you don't feel as bad and baseball, as much as
it's great to say, you're there, if you're up in
the third deck or you're watching your couch, the couch
(20:27):
is better. So here's my question, and it's open, and
I will stop talking world See. We can start with
World Series and then we can work our way to
college football to NFL football, to NFL playoff games, to
NBA games, to NBA postseason games, to college basketball regular
season to college basketball postseason? What's better in person or
(20:47):
on TV?
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So we're gonna do a topic none of us agreed on.
Is that is that? What it was? That is that?
Where we're at.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Here, it's called the duck.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
I know, but I think we want to save your No,
we saved the NFL for next week, for next week, yes, so,
but the broadcaster, our go to voice was what Doug
was saying, right, like, who's our go to voice that
when we're and I assume that it's there's a a
connection to someone in sports, like that's are we talking
(21:23):
about like Smoltz here for baseball?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Was that? Like where this where this jumping off point was.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
No, it's to me, it was more would you rather
watch on your couch rather?
Speaker 8 (21:33):
Yeah, we go through we're gonna throw all the sports
and we're gonna say would you prefer there to be
on the couch or they're in person?
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like like like Dan, when you're watching.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I'll take home for all of them? Right, just home home, home,
home home. And I like to go to games. I do,
I do, But why why home for all of them?
Speaker 8 (21:54):
I just it was just you know, so you Dan,
you went to that Ohio State Oregon game on Year's Day?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
There was a playoff game, right, yes? So what made you?
And Bill's football? I wanted to see the stadium? Ye okay,
so what what made what? What? What was the catalyst
for you to get down to the Rose Bowl. I
didn't want to. I have fomo of not seeing Ohio State.
My wife that's the point. Yeah, my wife didn't. What's
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the point my wife didn't let me go to the
Utah Ohio state game because of COVID fears. We had
our son was young.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
At the time, she was a baby, a baby at
the time.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, So she didn't want to make.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It for people to point. People are like probably listening
like wait, what COVID fears? Like, No, they had a
little baby at the.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Time, Like it was, so I stayed home.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yes, But the fomo is the whole thing, right is
you're missing out on the thing, and you missing out
on the chance to say you were there. All right,
Jay Stu, what about you games you'd rather be at
home for games you'd rather watch on TV?
Speaker 3 (22:55):
I wat I think I'm even more of a home
guy than Dan Is. And the strange thing about this
dynamic is nobody driving around listening to the show right
now live is going to turn down a chance to
go to a major sporting event game. I really don't.
(23:15):
I think we have a very warped view of this
and that we have been privileged enough to get access
to great games. We've been there, done that. The first
thing that I think about, like right now, if Big
Mike were to walk into the studio and say I've
got tickets to game five. I would first of all,
think of all the obstacles and the pain in the
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ass that I'm going to go through, and I would
have to spend five or six hours with thick Mike,
and that's not something I'm looking forward to doing. But
choose the couch every day of the week. Choose the couch.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Oh, I don't know. Okay, So Sam, you're like a
little bit of kindred spirit here college football you'd rather
be in person.
Speaker 8 (23:57):
If I get an opportunity to go to a college
football game, I'm definitely gonna go. I you know, a
couple years ago I went to a USC Colorado game.
I was pre Dione, one of the first years of
Lincoln Riley, and I had never been to the coliseum.
So that's like a bucket list thing. A couple of
years ago or last year, I had never been to
Polya Pavilion and got tickets for Iowa UCLA had to
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go to that. I think it's it's like growing up
in Iowa City. I could tell you it's really easy
because at least where I lived, I lived fifteen minute
walk from the stadium. Different obviously, if you're driving in
from Davenport or Des Moines, or something. The traffic's traffic
can be a biach, but walking from your house to
the stadium is awesome, and then the tailgating is awesome.
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So like going to the game and getting out in
and out of the stadium is not that hard. But
then going like Sofi and finding parking, finding reasonably priced parking,
and then the whole complex is so huge, and then
finding your seats in Sofi, it's all you know. So
some might say I'd rather stay at home for that,
but listen, I went to a I went to a
Dodger playoff game a few years ago. I think it
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was versus the Giants. It was like one nothing Giants.
It was very windy. We're up way up in the
in the nosebleeds, and I swear there was like peanut
shells flying into my eyeballs like it was not I
can say happily. I'm glad I put the bucket list
item of going to a Dodger game, but I would
have watched rather have watched that game at home.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Again, I think I think baseball the sport is way
better in the playoffs, but it's better to be in
person in the regular season because it's so laid back
and you can talk and have beers and whatever. On
the other hand, like being there in person is really cool.
I think baseball it's so good on TV, so good
on TV that unless you have great seats, you're at home.
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I college football, college basketball, I think in person.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yeah, because the students are there, it's more routed.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Energy to it. NBA basketball, I actually think NBA and NFL.
NBA is probably better in person if you're in the
lower bowl the upper bowl, you would be. NFL. I
think it's such a well covered TV sport. I would
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always do that one at home.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And the in game NFL experience, And I've been saying
this for years, so this isn't a new thing. The
in game NFL experience hasn't caught up to anything close
to the home experience. Like you sit there and you
feel those commercials like that. There's something about the NFL
game that seems to and there's a ton of downtime
(26:32):
when you're at the game that you don't even realize
when you're on the couch, Like it's to me. I
I would much rather not go to an NFL game
than those other sports you mentioned that.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
I when I've gone to Iowa games at Kinnick. There
is a lot of standing around waiting because at home
you're watching those commercials. It's commercial time out, what is it?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
The red hat?
Speaker 1 (26:50):
The reviews as and you're like, oh, come on, and
then that's a fair one.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
You're being entertained through all that stuff when you're watching
on TV.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
I here, I have two things that I have to
make sure that I mentioned. One, I do have fomo,
I do have them. I watch and then I'm like, guy,
I wish I was there, and then I'm there. I'm
like I kind of could have stayed home. So me
saying this may sound a little bit more over ambitious
than the reality. Dan, I may side with you, guys
if somebody asked me point play. So that's the first thing.
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The second thing is, for twenty better part of twenty
three years, I called games. So going to a sporting
event where I don't hear somebody talking to me in
my ear is so refreshing to me. It just is,
like I told you, guys, I went to all but
one of the Packers' home games last year, and I
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find especially said, if you get in the lower Bowl
in Lambeau, it's like a college stadium. Everybody's just into
the game, nobody's on their phone, You're just having a
great time. But the other part to it is there's
no voices in my ears other than guys yelling go pack, go,
and and and can you pass me that beer? Right?
That's literally it. So I do think maybe I like
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in stadium or in arena a little bit more in
my mind more recently than reality, because I'm so used
to having somebody talking to my ear and it's like
refreshing to just go and absorb and enjoy a sporting event.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I think that's it too for me. You mentioned Lambo, Like,
if you told me I could see a game in Lambo,
I'm gonna go. But it's more to say that I
have been in Lambeau and the new experience at once.
I don't need to see more than one game, you know,
Dan and I just went to formally Rich Stadium and
that was a great experience and I don't need to
see another one. Sure, So yeah, there are exceptions to
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this rule.
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Speaker 1 (28:56):
App Also on TV last night was the NBA. No,
I'm not talking about the games in the NBA. I'm
talking about Michael Jordan's second appearance on NBC where he's
basically being interviewed by Mike Trico. Take a listen to
what mj had to say on the insights to excellence
in regards to load management.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
What do you think of when you hear the term
load management thrown around?
Speaker 9 (29:21):
Uh, well, it shouldn't be needed first and foremost. You know,
I never wanted to miss a game because it was
an opportunity to prove it was. It was something that
I felt like, you know, the fans are there that
watch me play. I want to impress that guy way
up on top who probably worked his ass off to
get a ticket or to get money to buy the ticket.
You have a duty that if they're wanting to see you,
(29:44):
And as an entertainer, I want to show right. If
the guys are coming to watch me play, I don't
want to miss that opportunity. Now, physically, if I can't
do it, then I can't do it. But physically if
I can do it, and I just don't feel like
doing it. That's a whole different lens.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
There you go, there you go. Yeah, if I can
do it, then I will do it. I think what's fascinating.
And we've heard these arguments before. Barkley's talked about it.
Shack sort of talked about it, all right, he sort
(30:20):
of talked about it. Every other former NBA or you know,
is reliving their glory days talking about back in their
day they played a two games. We would all agree
it's different than Michael Jordan saying it. And we got
the podcast. The podcast drops the start of the third
hour of the show, so in an hour.
Speaker 9 (30:38):
And what.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
An hour and twenty two minutes hour and twenty two
minutes to podcast drops full hour podcast download it where
every download podcast just typened Doug Gottlieb Show. So we'll
talk a little bit more about this. But byer, you know,
I think the only two winners in Jordan's saying that
last night, and he's not obviously not the first, won't
(31:02):
be the last to talk about it. The winners are
Jordan himself at NBC because everybody is playing Jordan's comments,
So Michael Jordan looks even more heroic as opposed to
all the current players because he played eighty two games,
and NBC looks great because like, hey, we hired Jordan
and he said something. Regardless of whether or not most
(31:24):
people have said this anyway, it's Michael Jordan's saying something.
I don't think the NBA wins because it makes the
current NBA look kind of la laughably soft and inept
in comparison to the old NBA. Obviously, the current players
don't win, current stars don't win. I think the only
winners are Jordan an NBC.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I'm just glad that Jordan didn't give the I wanted
the fans to make sure that they could see me argument. Well,
I know that maybe a valid argument to some. I
think that it takes responsibility off the players themselves, and
Jordan just saying I wanted to go out there and
compete is all that the other NBA players need to know.
(32:05):
I do think that there is a different time now
where we wait so much on championships, and maybe it's
because of Michael Jordan that we do that, where it
is trying to put yourself in the best possible spot
to be able to win a championship. So I do
think that that argument from the other side is fair.
(32:27):
But I just am glad that Jordan just took the
responsibility and said, essentially, I'm a competitor. I didn't want
to miss a game. I wanted to win at everything
that I could, And I don't think that that notion
is prevalent in the NBA at this point.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I don't know the one thing I will tell you
and I I'm gonna agree and then sort of disagree
with you. Dance to stick with me. I agree with
you that it feels like championships are way more like
we as media members have created this. If you didn't
win a championshi ship, you didn't do anything. And while
it was always a thing, it's even more so now
(33:04):
than it's ever been before. I will point out though,
that during the rise of Jordan, right, that was when
Magic and Bird were dominating the league and they were
judged purely based upon the number of championships won, and
Jordan was the guy that everyone said he's the best
player ever, but he's never won a championship, so we can't.
And then he started winning championships and you know, essentially
didn't lose one, with exception of the year that when
(33:26):
he returned uh, and he's wearing forty five. The point
I'm saying is, I think I agree with you in
that the twenty four to seven news cycle, which didn't
exist back then, has pushed even more so to the
championships or nothing. But it was a thing when he
was playing that solidified you as the all time greats
in terms of did you win a championship and number
(33:47):
of championships won. So again, it's probably smarter, right, it's
probably smarter to do it this way. Here's the counterintuitive part,
the part that doesn't make sense. All of these doctors
are using data and saying you're more likely to get
(34:08):
injured if you play more. You have to manage. You
have to manage people's body, You have to manage the
amount of time in the court. What's crazy about it
is we didn't have this rash of Achilles injuries then.
We didn't. We didn't have guys missing games. It's really similar, Well,
this is a stretch. It's really similar to anything. Like
(34:29):
we didn't test for things back then, and it's no
different than like autism rates, like they're through the roof now. Yeah,
but we didn't test for it. We didn't have a
baseline and more things are considered autism now or or
mental health in terms of people doing harm to themselves
or committing suicide. We have more access to mental health
(34:51):
than we've ever had, and yet there's a greater mental
health crisis than we've ever had before. They have better medicine,
they travel better, taking care of better, they practice less,
the equipment is better, they play fewer games, and yet
there's more injuries. It doesn't make any sense. It is counterintuitive.
(35:12):
But last night none of that mattered to As people
who don't like Jordan will point out, they're right here
that Jordan helped Jordan last night. Jordan helped NBC last night.
I don't think anybody else is really helped last night.
As the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, So we've
(35:37):
talked a lot about the Steelers in the preseason. Right
we were waiting on Aaron Rodgers to sign there, and
then we thought it was kind of curious that they
did all these deals where it feels like they're pushing
their chips all in. Then they get Aaron Rodgers and
then sort of uneven. The defense does not look does
(35:57):
not look good enough in terms of getting to the
quarterback I think that's a massive, massive issue. Doesn't look
good getting to the quarterback. That's something that's gonna hold
it back. And Aaron Rodgers looks good but still looks
forty and they basically have one weapon as a pass catcher.
It's a bit of a flawed team, not a terrible team,
(36:19):
not a great team. Here's Mike Tomlin, their longtime head coach,
analyzing their mid season report.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
I don't think I like how we responded to the
explosion plays, phil flipping plays, drive producing conversion third downs
that happened in the third quarter. I didn't think our
offense responded very well to the non call on the
first third down of the half. And you know, you
don't always have control over what happens to your end game.
Rest assured some things are going to happen. There's ebb
and flow over the course of sixty minutes. But in
(36:48):
that instance, as a collective, we feel like we didn't
respond any the appropriate or the desired way. We didn't
smile in the face of it, we didn't produce the
type of plays that counteract those things and get the
balance back in our favor. And so we're certainly being
critical of ourselves, and we're utilizing that as fuel as
we prepare for our next opportunity. The first component of
(37:09):
fixing it is acknowledging it. You really don't get an
opportunity to fix it until you face those circumstances again,
and so we spend some time acknowledging it. We're going
to get back to work. We certainly believe that we
work in the right spirit, we do the right things environmentally.
We're going to get back to work, man and wait
for our opportunity to rectify it. You can spend a
lot of time talking about your ills, but the true
(37:31):
fixes come in stadiums, and so that's why sometimes I'm
somewhat hesitant to respond to the how do you fix it? Question?
There's certainly procedurally things that you go about doing that
fixes it, but the fix happens in stadium and the
rest of it is.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Just talk, all right, So he's talking about fixing it
at Manby. They're not perfect. Again. I don't know if
any of this does anything for the current Steelers other
than there was a lot of words salad there that
I I generally want to buy because I like Mike Tomlin.
Does that make sense? Dan Yeah, it's like, hey, we
(38:06):
got this process of fixing it and blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah. Like I like Mike Tom and
it sounds cool.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Sure, yes, I think he would give him the benefit
of the doubt.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, but he really didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
No. Yeah, also like they are only seven games into
their season, which isn't even halfway through the season right now.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Eighteen Oh, Dan will extract his pound of flesh whenever
that's all right to be possible.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
I completely read your text wrong. That's why I was
so caught off guard during the midway. I was like,
what are you talking about, Doug, and I just yeah,
So it was it was all a combo.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Yeah, I'm totally okay with it, totally okay with it.
All Right's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah. Of course, you can hear
DJ on the Move the Sticks podcast. You can see
him on the NFL Network. You don also hear him
on our sister station, Los Angeles Score. He broadcasts as
an analysts the LA Chargers games. I do want to
(39:08):
ask you about the Chargers. Dan Byer brought up a
really really good point, and it was, you know, Justin
Herbert has been this guy who doesn't have social media
out of the spotlight. Now he starts dating a young, talented,
famous woman, and back to back nights we se him
at the Laker game and then at the World Series game. Right,
(39:31):
is is this is this you know, a somebody telling
him he's got to be out in front of the
camera and represent all of Los Angeles. Are we pushing
Justin Herbert to be somebody he's not?
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I don't, you know, I don't know what the uh,
what the that specific situation is, but I would just say,
to me, it looks like he's just getting kind of
more comfortable. And I know usually when you have somebody
who's going out, you know during the season, you'll have
people question, oh, does this mean he's not putting it
in the time in or his focus and blah blah.
I would just say Herbert's like the smartest, most like
(40:08):
singularly focused guy. It probably in his case, is a
good thing to just kind of, you know, get away
for a second because he's been so obsessive. So I just,
from from where I stand, I look at that and say, okay,
somebody who's who's happy. He's sounds like he's found somebody
he likes and he's he's getting out a little bit
and and maybe that'll, you know, ease some of the
(40:29):
the internal pressure that he puts on himself.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Fair enough, Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
How much of it is is quality of competition? How
much of it is the Cantcy Chiefs figuring it out well.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
I definitely think health is just the biggest component. You know,
they've just gotten healthier and that's you know, that's the
biggest thing. And I still don't think they're playing perfectly.
You know, they're putting up points, which is great to see,
but I still think there's another level that they can
get to. But you know, yeah, we'll see. As a
I'm looking forward to those two showdowns with Denver and
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looking forward to that, you know, rematch with the Charges
a little bit later in the year. I think it's
the best division in football, and I think all three
of those teams it's going to be awesome matchups.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
I completely agree Denver. Denver is a fascinating, fast dating watch.
There's talk in Indy of extending Danny Dimes of giving
him a new contract, would you do that?
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I think so. I don't think that this is something
that's not repeatable, and I think it's very sustainable, and
I don't think that price is going to go down.
So I could understand that if they wanted to try
and do it now, thinking they would get a little
bit of a discount versus what it would be at
the end of the year. I saw that team in
person and studied that team, and the way he's playing
(41:50):
is there's nothing really fluky about it. You know, they've
got good pieces around him. They've got a good play
caller there in Shane Stiken, But you know he's making
all the throws. He's playing with toys accurate. He can
move round if you need him too. And I don't
think that offense asked him to be the star Jonathan
Taylor is that. But I think you have to pay
a little bit more than you're paint of now to
(42:10):
keep them going forward. And that price with quarterbacks never
goes down.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
No, it does not, It really doesn't. It really really
really doesn't. This is the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio. That's the voice of Daniel Jeremiah Move the
sticks is in fact is the podcast Baltimore wins with
Snoop Huntley at quarterback. Looks like Lamar Jackson is going
to be back. They go to Miami, who the offense
(42:35):
continue to play well, defense is not great. But big
stretch here for the Ravens. Dolphins in the road, Bye week,
Vikings in the road, and Browns in the road. Three
games that on paper you should win, but they haven't
won games in the football field. Where are you on
the Ravens as they said at two and five, but
get the quarterback healthy.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, I think it's lined up for him really well.
You know, when you look at the schedule going all
the way through the rest of the year, there's a
lot of wins on there. So I think they're getting
Lamar back at just the right time. And more so
maybe than the Ravens. I think it's the fact that
the Steelers had this thing kind of on a t
for them and they couldn't they couldn't put it away.
So I think at one in five where they were
(43:16):
before last week, you're sitting here going, oh, this is rough,
But then you look at the schedule and then you
just have no confidence that Pittsburgh's gonna run away and hide.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yeah. Speaking of Pittsburgh, obviously we saw them against the
Green Bay Packers. Let's start with well, let's start with
the Steelers. I got to tell you. The most disappointing
part is the defense. The offense is a weird mix.
Is yet no pressure at all on Jordan Love?
Speaker 4 (43:40):
Well?
Speaker 2 (43:41):
They can't. I mean, here's the thing. You're not going
to get pressure when you've got guys wide open the
entire game. So I think this is a linebacker back
end issue more even than a pressure issue. You don't
have time to get home and Douglas throwing five yard
flat routes Tucker Kraft and they can't get them on
the ground and they turn into explosive plays. It's one
of the worst tackling defenses in the NFL, which is
(44:03):
just not the way the Steelers have have played football
for the last thirty years.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
No, not at all. Okay, let's get let's go to
the Packers. How real is that fourth quarter?
Speaker 8 (44:15):
You know?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Look, I think that they have everything that they need there.
It's just there's never a there's never a straight path
in these seasons. You go up, you go down. But
when you see them, when they are in those moments
and they're high. They can be the best team in football.
So I I'm I'm very bullish on them. You know,
once you once you look at where they're going and
what they have. I think they have absolutely everything that
(44:38):
they need.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. That is Daniel Jeremiah.
He's joining us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's uh, let's let's get to
the Seattle Seahawks. They're at five and two, and again
I'll lean on Buyer because he's our Seahawks fan. Plus
(44:59):
he's worth he's watch. But he's like, look, Sam Donald
still Sam Donald, right, and you and I love him,
but he still will make just a bizarre turnover every
now and again. We're just like, what are you doing?
They come off the bye week. This week they go
to the Commanders that are all banged up, Cardinals winnable
(45:20):
game at home, to the Rams, to the Titans, Vikings
at home Falcons. I want to get to the Falcons
in a second. But how good are the Seahawks really?
Speaker 2 (45:30):
I think there's a couple holes that they have, including
one of the guard spots, which We'll see if they
do anything to address that. But I think on the whole,
I think Sam is you know, yeah, maybe a play
here or there, but on the whole, he played really,
really well, and I feel like he does get held
to a little bit of a different standard. We don't
talk about Mahomes with a couple hiccups here or there,
you know, some dumb turnovers. I feel like that anytime
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Sam does that, there's a little bit of the there
it is, you know, a moment. But I think overwhelmingly,
for going on a year and a half now, he's
played it a very high level. I think that defensively,
their front is excellent. Just in terms of the depths.
Leonard Williams is playing awesome, Murphy's been stud dt. I
would yeah, they could get a big time, big time
edge rusher. They don't have that, but they've got about
(46:14):
four or five guys they roll through there who are
really good. And the secondary is has got some playmakers
back there. They need to get healthy. They didn't get
with usmim back. But yeah, I think they're they might
pick to win that division. And I'm not going to
come off of that.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
What's happened to the falcons man. Again, I understand, you know,
Kirk Cousins generally washed, right, That's that's kind of my
takeaway when I watch him. But when Pennix was there,
like he didn't look great. I just I'm I think
I'm surprised at how especially how they played Sunday. But
but what they've kind of morphed into, are you Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
I don't know. I mean, I try and give you
a good answer on these, but this one, I don't
know what that team is like it's a checko on
high team gets shut out by the Panthers.
Speaker 10 (47:01):
You know, a while.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Back he lay and egg again. I know it was
with Cousins, but lay an egg there and then they
can come out and in one week just run the
ball down your throats and you know, get all kinds
of pressure on the quarterback. And I don't know, I
don't know whether than to say that it's just kind
of an immature team that lacks any consistency. But I
mean they are you know, the Forrest Gump in the line,
(47:23):
you know, the box of chocolates every week when they
come on, you have no idea what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
None, zero, zilch zip, nada, zero ziltch zip nada. Did
Minnesota make a mistake in their quarterback decisions?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Well, you know, let's let's see McCarthy play, you know,
a good stretch before we can say that. But you know,
people forget last year it was Daniel Jones and Sam
Darnold in that building, you know, and you look at
all the other pieces they have With either one of
those guys playing quarterback for him right now, going through
this year, I think they'd be in a completely different place.
But I don't want to you know, I don't I
don't want to bear McCarthy. We haven't seen enough of
(48:01):
him yet, so let's get him back healthy and see
what he looks like. But yeah, I would think there's
a there's there's a peak curiosity to see how this
turns out because they had two really talented guys and
they're building not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Uh does the comeback for the Jets change anything about
how you viewed justin fields Now?
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I think he's pretty well established, you know, and you
just take it for what it is, and it's just
a hard way to consistently win football games with that
play style. So I think at the end of the day,
he's a really good backup, but you know, nothing they
can do to solve that problem. Now, I don't love
the owner, you know, going out and publicly saying what
(48:40):
he said. I just thought that was kind of a
little bit bush league. But you know, I get the
frustration there at that time. You haven't won a game,
but you just don't. I'm not used to seeing that
from an owner. That was that was That was a
rough one.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, bush league. No, No, it's the Jets. Joe Douglas
can tell you like they they have core. They and
the Browns of Corn, of the mark on Bush Lake.
That's just that's what they do. That's who they are,
all right, DJ. Last thing, how are Chargers? I mean
obviously really good on Thursday night, Get the week off,
(49:12):
to get right, get healthy, give me the status report.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
I think Joel, you saw what difference he makes. I
mean he unlocked a run game. He gave Herbert some time.
You look up and all of a sudden, that team
over the last years, a lot of really good young players.
And you're seeing gatst in the tight ends and been
playing great. You know, Viydell while he's filling in at
the second year. Guys put up a couple of hundred
(49:38):
yard games, Trey Harris, the rookie scores. You know mcconkee
in year two. You know, they've got a lot of
young guys that you would think just because of you know,
how new they are to the league, not just the Chargers,
that they're need to get better.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
You're the best brother. Thanks so much for joining us.
Look forward to you. Obviously you enjoyed one weekend and off.
Now you get another weekend off, right, So I mean
you're just having I mean, just living the life.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Jersey, you know, just just enjoying life.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Wow, you are a you are a hater. I was
just you know, I should have looked you up. I
was in del Mar for a couple of nights this weekend.
So nice. Oh it does not, It does not. Uh,
you're the best brother. Thanks for joining us. Anybody, It's
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I think
(50:29):
what I love about Dana and Jeremiah, and this is funny,
is I did I spent like two days in Diego
over the weekend. Dan and I felt guilty about It's like, look,
I needed a couple of days season starting. Had dinner
with my brother and a couple of you know, a
couple others, and we I sit down at sushi on
(50:51):
Sunday night and one of the channels has his dad preaching.
I'm like, oh, shoot, I didn't look up DJ and
I'm right down the street of his house. But here's
the brilliance the DJ when he's NFL Network only before
he got the Chargers job, he never moved. He's like, look,
I like san Diego. I'm living in San Diego. I'm
not moving. And you know what, if you've been to
San Diego and you're set there, I don't blame yet.
(51:12):
I don't blame you.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
It's a nice spot.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Oh it doesn't suck. It doesn't suck at all. Opposite
whatever suck is, it's the opposite of that. That's probably
the best way toward it. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
You heard the voice of Dan Byer. You'll hear more
from him up coming here on the show on Fox
Sports Radio.
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Doug Gottlieb
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