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On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Dan Beyer and Kerry Rhodes in for Doug as they discuss the curious story involving Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's Thursday. There's football tonight, Week ten of the National
Football League season, starting the second half. Welcome in a
lot to get to, including Carry Rhodes taking victory laps
around this table here, Yes, victory laps. As the Kyler
Murray era is taking quite the turn in Arizona. It's
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been the talk of the NFL. Very rarely do you
get the Arizona Cardinals leading shows. Very rarely do you
get the Arizona Cardinals being the talk of the town.
That is what's happening is Kyler Murray's on injured reserve,
Weresett is now the starter, and Carrie Rhodes was apparently.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Right all along. Yeah, Kyler Murray was. He's just not
the guy. He's not a guy that's gonna be a
leader for you. He's not gonna be a guy that's
going to galvanize the troops for you. So if he's
not playing at a level that you cannot sit him
where we saw in a couple a couple years ago,
right where he played really well. He was a pro bowler,
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and you kind of look past some of the deficiencies
or some of the things that he wasn't really good at.
But when all those things come to fruition and your
play is not elevating the team alongside with the leadership
stuff and the stuff that we know, and I've seen
just from Afar not even being a part of the
organization or being there every day, you could tell he's
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not a guy that galvanizes the guys. He's not a
guy that's gonna go do the extra work and sit
down with the Marvin Harris and the guy that you
want to be your leading number one receiver. He's not
going to do the extra things to make sure he
elevates that guy. He's only worried about himself, it seems like.
And so when that happens, and then you hit a
snag where you're injured now and somebody steps in that
position and actually executes the offense the way it's supposed
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to look and also was making Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Look like a number one receiver. Then you know there's
an issue.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So I want to backtrack because Karry and I do
the show on Sunday afternoons end Zone Radio five Eastern,
two Pacific.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And it's not meant to disrespect Kyler Murray. Just have
never been a fan. And you kind of laid out
some of the reasons why I think people dismissed Kyler
Murray or didn't believe in Kyler Murray solely because of
his height or lack thereof. But that was never the
issue with you at all. No.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, you say, like we saw that two years well
maybe two three, ill no longer it's been now, but
two or three years ago when he was a pro bowler,
we weren't talking about that then. I mean, obviously everybody
comes into the league with some sort of deficiency, and
for him, obviously it was glaring that he was a
smaller guy, right, and so it would always fall back
on that if he wasn't playing well. And then you
start getting the leaks and you started hearing things about
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they have to put a study clause in his contract,
which is ridiculous, and a no game and like things
that your quarterback, your leaders should never have to be addressed.
And so when those things started coming out, that for
me is a bigger thing because again, all of us
have deficiencies. I was a guy that was not super
physical when I first came out, so I had to
work on that, right, Like, there are certain things about
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going into a league and having no ego, having a
healthy ego, and say I'm really good at this, but
I'm not good at this yet, and so how do
you get better at that? And we've seen it, we've
seen where they put the clause in this contract to
now and we're still having the same conversation. So if
that's the case, then he's just not the guy.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This is the point where I think you were pointing
out where Kyler Murray had success was in the twenty
twenty one season. That's for you. It's been a while,
it's been a while. They made it to a wild
card game. They started out to see in pretty well,
pretty strong. I think they were seven and at one
point that season and ended up making the playoffs. And
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it was immediately after that that Kyler Murray then wanted
his new contract because that would have he was drafted
in twenty nineteen would have been his thirty years, so
that was the first year he was eligible to get
a contract extension. I remember it vividly of being at
the Super Bowl in Los Angeles Radio Row that week
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and the topic of conversation being Kyler Murray has scrubbed
the Arizona Cardinals from his social media.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know what took me by surprise in that scenario
was that we were at the Super Bowl for a
team that just three weeks prior, we're playing in a
playoff game, so it hadn't even been three weeks old,
and he had already started this contract negotiation with the team.
That's what was was surprising to me was as soon
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as he became eligible. I don't even know if he
technically was still eligible or would have been eligible. So
this season actually ended, but we knew that offseason he
could get an extension. But he didn't even waste any
time for the Super Bowl to be played to already
you know, show his displeasure and people had a bad
taste in their mouth with Miles Garrett doing what he
did last year with the Browns and saying hey, I
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want out and talking with teams and going to Super
Bowl week and speaking to the media and people throwing
out teams, all, yeah, I'd love to play in Washington.
That'd be a great place like that didn't That didn't
sit well with a lot of people. So it didn't
sit well with me when Kyler Murray took the first
second there, like he's he's outside best Buy on Thanksgiving
night at eight o'clock, you know, ready for the Black
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Friday deals to open. He's the first in line to
go and do it. That's what set me off. That said, huh,
not that he wasn't going to get a new contract,
but there was there was no reason to be so
dramatic in that step. And so that that's for me
what what turned with Kyler Murray. And then it just
feels like things have really plateaued, and if they haven't plateaued,
they've gone down, because they sure haven't gone up. That's
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always been my issue Kyler Murray as of late.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean at that time, Dan people were there were
people in the media and people around the league saying
I might take Kyler Murvy of Lamar Jackson. Remember those conversations, Yeah, ridiculous,
But the fact that that was a conversation at that time.
It just shows me that there's a lot of people
out there that aren't real in depth with their ball.
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Knowing now, people have great seasons all the time, and
it's always about when you have that great season and
you have that new contract, who are you? Because once
you get that new contract, we're gonna know who you are.
Like the guys that are really great and really care
about their craft, that's not the end of it, Like
that's just part of a milestone, that's a stepping stone
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to a better life and all those things. But I
want to be considered one of the best to do it.
And so when you get to the point of having
those expectations put on you, that's when you really find
out who people are. And with Kyler Murray, we've seen
that you said it. He was very eager to get
that deal done. But we also when I all that,
I had no doubt about where he was going after that.
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It wasn't he was going to the next level. I
was like, he's done, sure, because he's also had baseball asparations, right,
He's had other things that he's looked at and was
supposed to be really good at as well. So I
never really believed in what he could be long term
with the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What do you believe in the comments that were said
this week, because this is now where the Kyler Murray
saga has taken an interesting turn, where Jonathan Gannon had
this to say earlier about Kyler Murray about his injury
and what the future, the immediate future holds for the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Today, Kyler is going to go on IR. Feel like
that's the best thing for him and for us. He's
not fully healthy ready to go yet, so that makes
the most sense. Obviously that's a change, but we just felt,
you know, looking at it right now, that's the best
thing for him and us.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Like I just said, that was Jonathan Gannon yesterday talking
about to move to place Kyler Murray on IR. There's
more to this. There's a bigger thought. Why would Kyler Murray?
Why would Kyler Murray be placed on injured reserve and
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need four more weeks to heal carry rhades When it
was just days prior to their game against the Cowboys
that there were reports coming out that Kyler Murray could
see action against Dallas on Monday night.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Why are we getting this mixed message from Arizona that
just days later, when Kyler Murray was about to return
from his foot injury. Now not only is he not
going to play in week ten, he's not going to
play for the next four weeks. Yeah, something doesn't add up.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes, the internal conversations inside that locker room, inside that
war room is a little bit different than what they're
giving out right. I could see a scenario where the
offensive coordneta really likes the way that Jacobe Brissett runs
his offense.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Because if you're in the hot seat as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
As a GM, as an offensive coordinator, whatever it is,
your job's on the line in the interim right now,
Jacoby Brissett gives him the best opportunity to win. He's
going to get everybody the ball, He's going to be
on time, on target, and the offense looks like the
way that the offensive coordinator wants it to look. And
you have Jonathan Gannon, Jonathan Gannon as a head coach
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going out and doing this making his comments. There was
a disconnect there between the owner head coach GM because
he's talking out of turn. And then you have to
come back and you got to fix that a little bit.
You gotta do a little damage control. And I think
all these things say what I think about Arizona right now.
In general, they are disfunctional. And that's where I'll leave it.
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And I'll leave it for you, Dan. That's the rest.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I got another question. You got what you got? Were
the drops by Marvin Irrison Junior earlier this season? Really
the fault of Marvin Harrison Junior. Now that we know
what we know, can we really blame the wide receiver
for dropping a football against the forty nine ers having
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an awful interception against the Green Bay Packers? Can we
for dropping a pass? Can we really blame Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Junior for this?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
We can? Oh, we're not gonna We're not. We're not
just dumping on Kyler here. No, Marvin Harrison was definitely
not doing high and well in certain points as well
in this season.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So the drops by Marvin Harrison weren't because of the
relationship with Kyler Murray. They were a Marvin Harrison issue.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Marvin Harrison definitely started out thinking way too much, and
you could tell by the way he was running his
routes there was no decisiveness, but also the decisiveness comes
in part with the tandem of the quarterback and receiver.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
There is carry over there.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So you're saying it's because of Kyler Murray in part
a little bit. Okay, what you got? What's going on here, Daniel?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I just am saying you, like, why does Marvin Harrison
set a career high with three first quarter targets?
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know if I would have told you on Sunday
during our show that Marvin Harrison's career high for receptions
of the game was six, you wouldn't have believed me.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
I would not have, but I would have. You wouldn't
have believed me. This is I think it's partially due
to Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It is.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I agree with and I think that Marvin Harrison Junior
is looking at Kyler Murray as the quarterback that is paid.
That is the amusing the air quotes. The leader of
the team put so much pressure on himself that he
ended up making those mistakes. I get it, you're paid
to catch the football. But that receiver that we saw
putting drama playing a blender on Monday night, that's him
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was not the one that we saw in San Francisco
earlier on in this.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Season, they were not on the same page at all.
And you know why, Dan Kyler Murray is a guy
that likes to play off platform. Right, he can't see,
so when he's in the pocket, he misses windows. He
throws the balls late, he throws the ball where Marvin
Harrison probably wouldn't be expecting the ball to be thrown. Right,
All those things really matter. Right, So if I'm running
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ten yards and I'm running an in breaking route across
the middle, and I'm expecting to be thrown in that
first window and you throw it in the second window,
that is a difference. So one hundred percent part of
the drops work Kyler. But as a receiver, if the
ball touches your hands, you gotta touch it. So there's
there's fault to be on both of them.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
Okay, why then, why then? Why then? Why then? Why then?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Why then did they place him on injured reserve and
not just bench Kyler Murray? Because if you kept him
on injury reserve for the rest of the season, you
can say, hey, injury wise, but there's probably injury guarantees
in the contract. Why not just bench Kyler Murray In
favor of Jacoby Brissette. If Kyler Murray was so close
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to playing on Monday Night.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They are trying to save face as an organization.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They're trying to appease to some of the people.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That may like Kyler Murray on that team, right, And
so there's a level of, like I said, they've been
doing a little backpedaling to control the situation because you
just said it.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
If Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Feels like the victim, something else is gonna come from
this as well. He's not gonna be one to hold
his tongue and that will cause confusion dissension among the team.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
So does that answer for you?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What you got?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
This is what This is what I think happens. This
is what I think happens. They're going to give Jacoby
Brissett four weeks where he's the man. He hasn't been
the man the last couple of weeks. Even though he's
been the starting quarterback, he's been the replacement. Jacoby Brissett
for his solid of a career that he has had
has not been able to handle or has not been
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able to hold onto a job as a starting quarterback
in the NFL. True, this absolves them from pushing Kyler
Murray back and putting him in a bad situation where
the fans are calling for Jacoby Brissett. They're almost in
a way allowing Jacoby Brissett the opportunity to fail. So
when he if he doesn't come through, then guess what.
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Kyler's fully healthy. Kyler has a new code of paint
on him. He's looked at as a different quarterback. If
Jacoby Brissett leads this team to four straight victories and
now they're in the playoff hunt, who cares about what
Kyler Murray feels. I think that that's why Arizona did
what they did. I think that is I think that
is why Arizona did what they did. It is to
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put Jacoby Brissett in the spotlight, a spot, a place
where he hasn't thrived. But if he does, it's a
win for Arizona. If he doesn't, guess who can come
into the rescue or doesn't look as bad anymore. It's
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Great point, And I'm also going to say this, when
you put Jacoby Brissett in that position as the lead dog,
there are quarterbacks and players in the league that are
really good relief pitchers right, Yes, but when you have
to be a starting pitcher or starting quarterback is starting
whatever it is. The ability to go through that game
knowing that everybody is looking at you to actually be
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the savior, the guy that's going to lead us to
where we need to go to the pumise land. That's
a different energy, but in the same breath, we know
this and you know this for sure because you're high
on you were high on Arizona. Yes, and what they
could do. Think about the games they lost with Kyler
Murray at quarterback. They could have won all three of
those four of those games that they lost. And so
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they're right there if they operate at a level that
it needs to be operated at. And I think I
really do believe that Gannon and their GM they're in
this together and they need to win now. So as
far as putting Kobe Bissett in the position to fail
or to succeed, I agree with it.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
But they're banking on him to succeed.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
The Arizona Cardinals, you could make an argument, as crazy
as it sounds, could be undefeated. Yes, that's what I'm
telling you. Yeah, the three and five they gave up
the comeback to the Titans. Never should have happened. Yep,
Amario de Marcado. The Colts, Jason Stewart, and I remember
the Colts game. They're driving down the field a goal
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to gold situation, down by four, they don't score. An
awful decision by Jonathan Gannon to go for it against
the Green Bay Packers that sets them up for their score.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
They lost against the forty nine Ers sixteen to fifteen
in a game where they had a lead late on
the safety and couldn't end up converting on it.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
They came back against the Seahawks and the Seahawks one
on the last second field goal to win. Like there
are all these situations that that Arizona could be really
really good. Half the least, the Colts and Packers game
against two really good teams, arguably the best teams in
the National Football League, and jo Kobe Brissett had them
within a score and an opportunity to win. Yeah, Jason Stewart,
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do you remember that Colts game in what was happening
against the Cardinals?
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I do, because a lot of us had the Colts
and our survivor a real close attention to those final
seconds Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We were texting back and form like he's gonna take
them down the field, They're gonna score.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
In Old AFC West Showdown tonight in the Mile High City.
Raiders and Broncos get things going in week ten. Welcome in.
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show hit Carry up at
Carry twenty five ro olds. You can find me at
Dan Bayer on Fox in a week Carry.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Well.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
There aren't a lot of huge spreads in the National
Football League, closer games than you would have had maybe
in a couple of other weeks. Tonight you've got the
biggest spread of all the games that are going to
be played in week ten, nine and a half in
favor of the Broncos. You've got Detroit an eight and
a half favorite on the road against the Commanders, who
are playing obviously without Jayden Daniels. But you got a
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lot of two and a half, he got some four
and a half, he got some one and a half.
Should be a very competitive week in the NFL in
Week ten.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, they're usually all one score games, and so even
when those sprants get to that double digit mode.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I never really feel safe with any of those picks
up her. So it could be a season where you
have a team that's a wild card team and ends
up running the table and going to the super Bowl
and winning a super Bowl. It's happened before, it's happened recently.
Maybe it'll happen again here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, we've talked about it. This season seems very wide open.
You know, we have bursts of teams playing really acceptional football,
but then most for the most part, it's been averaging,
so meaning teams haven't had that killer instinct yet and
so for them to get to this point in the
season with the halfway mark, I think we're gonna start
stands separation a little bit here as we move forward.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And I remember the Pittsburgh Steelers when they, unfortunately for me,
beat my Seahawks and Super Bowl forty, that crazy run
with Ben Roethlisberger in his second year, and they all
asked the Colts in the divisional playoffs and they went
to Denver and ended up knocking off the Broncos before
the refs allowed them to win Super Bowl forty. But
there was a there was a road warrior mentality for
Pittsburgh that year, and it helped them bring home a
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Super Bowl crowd similar to Arizona.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Arizona was close to doing that same thing, got to
the championship game and lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers again
and that Super Bowl. So yeah, it definitely can't happen
where teams get hot and make that run.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I know it's happened before, but as it happened in
twenty ten.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Thy and Stuart's our executive producer, Manci Blanios is here,
as is Iowa Sam hanging out Jason.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Take it away, Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I'll take it here.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Something extremely happened, extremely exciting, happened sixteen years ago, almost
to the date. I'm gonna I mean, I'm just gonna
set the scene a little bit. Twenty ten, second week
in November, first week in November, the Arizona Cardinals, I think,
visited the Minnesota Vikings at ten twenty in the first quarter.
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As Brett fav was breaking back to pass towards Greg Lewis,
the ball is intercepted by Carrie Roads. What intercepted by.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Carrie told me this.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I don't talk about everything, Dan, I don't give myself
too much.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
But it doesn't stop there, Dan, Carrie. Carrie returns the
ball sixty six yards sixtys what against Brett farv This
doesn't end well, only for the ball to be charged
loose by Greg Camerrillo FuMO recovery Vikings.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Hey, it was bad too.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I had to go back out on defense. I don't
want to do that. I was tired.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Sixteen years ago, almost to the day, Carrie, What do
you remember about that game, other than that amazing play
where you intercept a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, I just remember it wasn't that was my first
time intercepting them. But it was my first time fumbling
the ball in the end zone. But I didn't. It
wasn't for me trying to reach out or do anything
like dropping the ball. Early Camarillo came and got me
and he just stripped it at the goal line. I
was so upset too because we had to go back
on defense.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I was tired.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Can you imagine it right now in your mind as
it's happening, of being.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I know what I did wrong and everything I was like,
I picked it off, made the first guy missed. I'm
running down down the sideline. Two people are coming to
get the angle on me, and I cut back on them.
And when I cut back, I was clear. But that
cutback gave Camarillo time to get back into play from behind.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
And so it was a tough one.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Coach gave me grief all year about it too, every
time hold it high and tight care I was like, listen.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Well, the good news is you didn't need those points
because you lost by three and over Tommon to the Vikings.
And I want to say, the biggest humble Bragg maybe
in the history of this show, happened two minutes ago
when Carrie, in the middle of telling the story, just
said that wasn't the only time I intercepted Hall of
Famer Brett Farr.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Did you yell as you were running down the sidelines,
like give me my own office, give me my own
locker room, because that's what he had when Farvis with
the Jets.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's right, So he did not.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
They didn't. Farve didn't change with the the common Jets players.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Starved, not Chay.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And I told you before, I love Brett, So Brett's
Brett was a cool guy for me, and so to
pick him off again was pretty pretty cool for sure.
I gotta find this highlight. You don't I thought I
liked you guys too. We're going to start with that
and the throw back twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Ten they named a town not far from here after
Greg Camio after that play. I've got outlets and yeah,
everyone exactly.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
It was in twenty ten that the green Bay Packers
did what I was saying. They got on a run,
ended up winning the Super Bowl later on the next year,
but in twenty ten, they weren't the team that we
thought that they needed to be. They had to go
on a winning streak at the end of the seasons
you can get into the postseason. I remember I was
at the game at lambeau Field when they beat the
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New York Giants in the second to last week of
the season, kind of started their winning streak and then
lo and behold, they go on and win the Super
Bowl title. But Green Bay was not a lock. They
were good. And then it was the next year where
they had the one loss season, but we're upset in
the playoffs by the Giants. But it was a regular
season game against the Giants in twenty ten that I
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was at lambeau Field that they ended up starting their run.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just want to thank you guys for allowing all
the trauma and the PSD to PTSD to come up.
Right now, I'm sake and thinking about being that close
to having another time.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
This is this is why Jason Stewart is the best
at what he does. I thought something happened in the
Broncos Raiders rivalry because it's usually tied to that night's
game or that night's matchup, but completely different.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
It's just yeah, I was easy, easy topic fodder today.
Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
It was such a gem because you know when I
when I try to find specific things to start the uh,
don't call it a throwback. I always look for specific
moments or just familiar names. And I can't believe I
came across this gym our very own Carrie Rhodes with
a remarkable play. And I just want to make this clear.
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He did not pick Brett Farva off just once. No,
that's just multiple times, multiple times. Sam, do you remember
anything from twenty ten? I want to I want the
listeners to go back to twenty ten. What were you
doing in twenty ten?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
We were in the.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Middle of Obama's what second Oh no, no, the first term. Yeah,
before the midterms. Actually, I think he was able to
do some stuff. Sam, what do you remember most about.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Tire we Go?
Speaker 11 (25:15):
I mean I was, I was paying close attention to
those Packers. I just want to I remember if Rogers
suffered a concussion and a loss of seventy three loss
to the Lions. This was in Detroit, and then yeah,
they took another loss to the Patriots, and then they
reeled off two wins to get into the postseason.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So basically what I just said.
Speaker 11 (25:35):
Yes, but they was out the concussion, so it was
a little bit of I think they finished ten and
six and then then they started their their run to
a championship. What was I doing? Very disappointed in Hawkeye football.
They were supposed to win it all, win the Big Ten,
at least be very good in twenty ten, but they
disappointed us and finished eight and five, though with a
(25:56):
win over rank Missouri team and the Inside dot Com
how about that eight and five? Mike a Hide with
a pick six in that game.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Just to kind of piggyback off that. I remember that
season the Packers. They started out the air with a
win against the Eagles and then they ended up I'm
totally just.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
Yeah right here, actually started out three and one.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
All right, MATSI do you remember overtime about twenty ten
in the Packers season That I'm kidding.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
In twenty ten in college, I was not worried about
the Packers.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
That is the last thing.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
I was already round.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I was still in school.
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Yeah, I was in college talking smack maybe about Lebron
James and his decision because I was like, stink Cleveland,
stink Cleveland, Just why are you gonna go? I was
a fan of Lebron at this time, so I did
not I did not want him to make that move
because I thought it was very like, why are you
(26:51):
doing the taking an easier route here?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
My god?
Speaker 11 (26:54):
Stay?
Speaker 12 (26:54):
And so that's definitely something I was doing you while
enjoying a cocktail.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
How nervous he was where he did like his head
shake like I'm gonna take my talents to South Beach
and play for the Miami Heat. And he had this
nervous tick where he just nodded feverishly, like almost trying
to convince himself that he was doing the right thing.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
Yeah, it was a little awkward, a little a little.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, it was a little.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It was.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It was so awkward that I think it's some of
the greatest TV we've actually ever had. And I wish that, honestly,
I've said it. I wish more free Agents would do this.
It completely ripped the heart out of Cleveland.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
It really did, right like it really did.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's like taking your date or fiance and you're about
to get married. Zara can't do it. I'm gonna leave
with that girl and leading the wedding. That's what he did.
He brought everybody there to see what he wanted to do,
and then he ended up breaking their hearts.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
And this fall, I'm going to take my talents to
South Beach.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
Where is he going to take his talents now?
Speaker 12 (27:56):
Because the Lakers don't want him?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
The Cairo fixed that. Sciatica, Yeah fixed the Sciatica.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Turn on your Side twenty ten was one of the
greater runs, one of the final fours. We talked a
lot about on The Doug Gottlieb Show. It's when Butler
made it to the National Championship Game and my dookies
college hoops and Yeah, Duke ended up surviving, but they
were a half court he from Gordon Hayward away from
possibly the greatest upset that we had we had seen
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in the NCAA tournament, and that ball was online.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, hit the backboard, hit the hit the front rim
and almost went in.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That was a big, one, magnificent scene in Indianapolis where
Butler's located. To be able to play in front of
that many fans and have that sort of drama against
the team of college basketball, Yeah, it was huge.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Twenty ten for me was one of the watermark moments
in my career. I was actually out here in LA
I was training for the twenty ten season, coming off
an AFC Championship run with the Jets. You know, I'm
here training getting ready for the season, and I come
home from workout. I'm sitting in front of the TV.
(29:03):
I have a million myth calls. I have no idea
why I'm turn on the ESPN, And the first thing
that comes across the bottom of the ticker on the
ESPN it says, no, none, no, none, this jet has
flown the coop And I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Was like, Whi's jet?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And it was me.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I got trad Arizona in twenty ten, and so that
was the birth of me and the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I'm surprised to say this. Uh you know this
jet has hit the roads, you.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Know, something like that.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
It could have been more clever.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, sure, carry on right or a new game? What
early fall spring twenty twenty six. We got a new
game coming up, Jason with Carry Roads.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I don't know if I want to give it away
yet beginning, Okay, all right?
Speaker 11 (29:52):
In fact, you know what, fair enough, I did want
to I love the ts.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Yeah, I have a feeling I know what Carry Rhodes
was listening to that day when he had all the
miss calls, because he was listening to this banger from
twenty ten that everyone.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Loved, not only times tib was.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
There on you.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Nothing on your Bank.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I'm guessing Carrie Rose is the one person in the
studio that could hit the note, just hit in that
famous chorus. That's Bob top the charts for seven weeks
and twenty ten. H I love this song about you guys,
but I think all of us made out with our
significant other many times to this tune.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Don't know about you guys.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Bruno mars Is the is the quintessential like rock stop
pop star. I think he's the most talented guy that's going.
Speaker 11 (30:54):
Right of the dancer too. Yeah, yeah, he's super naturally.
He's trying exactly, which is annoying. Like I don't even
think you're trying to sing. I think it just comes out.
It's so good, it's so good, so good.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I mean, you can speak to this, isn't He kind
of like Prince and the Can he play all yes,
all the instruments, yes, and hit all the notes yes,
I mean, and phenomenal time.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
And I remember he hosted SNL. He was hilarious, he
was great, He was great. He can many towns, many towns.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
For I wasn't a huge fan of Bruno Mars. Yeah,
to be quite honest, I don't know. I just never
never took to it. But seeing a super Bowl halftime
performance he was the halftime performance in the Seahawks went
over the Broncos in New Jersey and it was a
really really good show. Yeah, it was for just the
fifteen minutes that it was.
Speaker 11 (31:40):
He had like a tiny, little circular stage and he
was just like little, you know, fire feet.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It was amazing. No, he's amazing, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Absolutely a great year in music, TVs, movies.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
I know, I got I got nothing. I just know
that's usual. I haven't even gotten my dog about this.
Got to my Gulf Doug when you need him for
the movie recap. No, I need Dan to get to
his golf as we effort the pop culture. So this
is what happened in golf. Phil Nicholson won his third
and final Masters of his career in twenty ten. I
(32:14):
was fortunate enough to be at Augusta National that Sunday
when he won. And it was also the return of
Tiger Woods post scandals. Yes, I did not expect that
from Monzie because Tiger Woods winning the twenty nineteen Masters
was an absolute love fest. In twenty ten, he was
(32:39):
either Tiger Woods, the great golfer or the scumbag who
cheated on his wife. One yes, and with all these women.
And as he was walking down the fifteenth fairway on Sunday,
half of the grand stand that I was in stood
and applauded like they would for many a Master's champion.
(33:01):
Others sat and did nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Really, it was so eerie because it was it's freaking
Tiger Woods. But you have to remember at that time
how toxic everything was around Tiger. Yeah, and then you
fast forward to him winning in twenty nineteen and it's
an absolute love fest. But at that time, Tiger Woods
was viewed by many as the cheater and that scandal
(33:25):
was his return in twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And the crazy part about that is he cheated on
his wife. It's tough and we know it's wrong, but
he didn't hurt it all. He didn't hurt it all.
He didn't do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Was the problem people had were I think the number
of women, Yeah, and also him trying to portray him
being a family man and using and then that going on.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's what I think a lot of people. Was he
portraying it or did we see it that way?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You think he was actually giving that off like I'm
the family man Tiger or were we given that to him?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think that. I think that, I think that he
you think so?
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah, yes, I also think that the reaction of his
wife just like inflated the controversy. It's almost like with
these athletes, wife, you know what you're signing up for
kinda and they don't. They don't add to the drama
when this comes up. But she went full bore, like
she was extremely offended and shocked that it happened, and
(34:21):
it didn't. It didn't help his cause.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, and because she was tied in like with the
golf community with players, because she was a nanny to
Yesper Parnovic, who is a player, introduced to Tiger. You know,
so some people felt really like, oh, geez, I'm the
one that brought her into this, you know, into this world.
They felt, you know, very turned back and yeah, what
a Lebron's decision and wow, and the scandal of the time.
(34:47):
Tiger got busted in late two thousand and nine, but
then his return ended up coming in twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Speaking of drama, and I'm gonna start talking about scripted drama,
all right, this is one of Montsi's favorites. She brings
us one up a lot. Modern Family came a major
sensation in twenty ten. It started in twenty two thousand
and nine, twenty ten. It just it kind of hit.
It strive and a big deal.
Speaker 12 (35:09):
It's so good. The early seasons are so good. The
later seasons you just watch because you've been watching so
you want to see how it is.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
The kids being older, they're not as.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Funny, they're not as good.
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Hailey is great, but Hailey was already like a teenager
like older teenager, she's great, but the kids as they
get older. You know, you know, a great show, great show,
And you're right the beginning the first episode. You know
how typically pilots suck, yes, like because they're figuring it out.
Speaker 11 (35:31):
Right, Hey they fly our planes. Come on, you're specful.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
And now the.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Conversation, Yes, that was what let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
There were The Office was another one with Steve Carrell,
like where their first six episodes were so good, but
Maazi's right. The pilot for the family excellent. Chef's Kiss Wait,
what made that's still so good? I never watched it.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
It crazy.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
It's it's the writing and the you can't I just
don't think you can teach comedy. It's about timing, you
know what I mean. And all of them just got
I don't know if the editing was the one that
made it, but I don't. I think it was just them,
like they just all clicked. And Phil who is Phil Dumphy,
I can't think of his.
Speaker 11 (36:15):
Name, ty Berrelle.
Speaker 12 (36:17):
He normally did dramas. This is the first time he
ever did a comedy and they there was like very
split on him, Like people were like, he's not the
guy at someone else. They recorded the scene at the
end of the pilot where he shoots Hayley's boyfriend with
the baby gun on an iPhone to show the people,
look at how good this guy is, and that's how
they booked him off of an iPhone.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Well, in comedies you need the straight man, so if
he played a straight man well to what they're doing,
it will work.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Can I tell you what my favorite Modern Family I'm
not gonna say because the joke is whatever, but it's
when Dylan sings is I just want to do you
saw Yes, yeah, and then but the end is all
of them singing it in their heads, yeah, coming yeah.
Speaker 14 (36:58):
I like that is I thought that the yeah so smart.
So Carrie, you've never seen the show. I think I
think you would hold up if you started. I'm coming
out right, Okay, we'll do it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Let's just say it.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
It lives, It still stands up. If you was to
watch start watching it today, he would love it. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I'm gonna throw another show out to you guys, and
it's simply I would think it's kind of in that
same vein because they do the first person like narrative
thing as well. But everybody loves Chris. Have you guys
seen that at all way back when? Yeah, everybody loves Chris,
The Chris Rocks. Yeah, I've never seen it, but talk
about smart and funny. Like I had never watched it
at that time either, but I watched it this year
recently and it still holds up. And I just love
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at that time and even what we're talking about right now,
the things you could still say and do at that
time in comedy matter, and I think that's part partly
why it's funny as well.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I like to Oh, sorry, I was gonna say, I
remember that show as well.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
Go ahead, Sam, I like to throw one more show
out there that was just getting into its heyday, into
its heyday, and the theme song go something.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Like this.
Speaker 11 (38:02):
Wowow wow. Breaking Bad two thousand and eight it started,
but by twenty ten it was humming along nicely.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I got a bad cold. See that's what you did,
TOMANSI at the pilot. I took Breaking Bad and I
made it and I made it about me, but it
completely threw you off. It doesn't make sense. I don't
even saying the same thing with Pilot.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
She said.
Speaker 11 (38:28):
Pilots usually suck, and I said, no, they fly our planes.
That makes way more sense. No, we're talking.
Speaker 12 (38:34):
You've never heard of what a pilot is and TV
shows is I.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Know what a pilot is.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, that's why it was a joke.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But I do have a bad cold, as you can tell. Yes, Yeah,
I love Breaking I was fortunate enough to watch Breaking
Bad after so we could just go episode after episode.
Same thing with Game of Thrones. Yeah, I'm so glad
I watched it that way instead of having to wait
each week or oh man, Game of Thrones.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Years, there's a breaking back.
Speaker 14 (39:00):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Do you watch any TV. I'm more of a movie guy,
you know, I'm a big movie guy speaking to movies.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
You time.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
What a great year twenty ten. Thank you, Thank you
for taking us on that ride.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Do you have a back end?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I don't call it a throwback?
Speaker 10 (39:19):
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Jason Stewart's the executive producer and Iowa Sam is our
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just want to I want to say, coming up in
(39:50):
after Moncy's update, it's gonna be a little what the
puck or is Sam? You would like to call the segment?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Was it?
Speaker 11 (39:58):
Uh crack crack?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
All right?
Speaker 11 (40:02):
What you thought that as the old Putt crack scandal?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, Adam Kaplan, you may want to stick around just
to hang out and hear that segment coming out.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yes, we've we keep your interests. Oh my goodness, you
guys as far as you know.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
So we found out a report today that the Chiefs
had offered the Jets a fourth round pick for Breese Hall,
and after trading Quinnin Williams and Sauce Gardner, the Jets said, yeah, thanks,
but no thanks, so they keep Breese Hall. How does
that go down? With the Jets and Darren Moogie making
the decision to keep the what feels like a disgruntled
(40:37):
running back right now.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah, that was fun. I think one of the local
outlets in New York. But yeah, what happened. My understanding
was that if Breshall walks right, which is almost certain happened,
they have no interest in extending his contract. So if
he walks, unless they change the mind of course by March,
but if he walks, they feel that he could sign
a monster deal. He could he still be one of
(40:59):
the best agent run backs out there, if not the best,
and it could possibly for twenty twenty seven get a
third round compensatory pick. That's what something the Bengals. The
Bengals have done, by the way, it's not a secret
in league circles. They they they've let a number of
free agents go over the years and they like to
build their compensatory pick group. The Ravens have done it.
It's another way to build up your roster. So that's
(41:20):
that's that's my understanding of what they're thinking was I look,
if you and I were running, I would have said
I would have said, Dan Luck, we're not gonna keep
He's not gonna be back, so let's let's take a
third Yep. Now the problem is now the Chiefs, depending
on which sports book you look at, are though they're
five and four, they're still plus five, there's still the
(41:40):
number one team to to win the Super Bowl. I
find it ridiculous. Yes, but that's tells you how wide
open the league is this year.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
But I think that's what lends into the Colts making
the deal sure for salts Gardner, right do you? I
thought they overspent for him.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
But oh yeah, but you're not kidding.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Okay, okay, we're on the same page. But tell me
what were the what were there thinking there at him?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
All Right? So, first of all, I want to say this,
and I have a lot of respect for Chris Ballad.
I know Chris a little bit, but you know his
if his problem has been and he's aware of it,
he's acknowledged it and sometimes to his detriment, but he's
probably till this trade. Kerry, the most conservative general manager
in the National Football League, doesn't like to make trades,
(42:20):
want to build for the draft. But the problem is
when you fail at quarterback and you fail in the draft.
They failed completely with Anthony Richards that they've already told
you that they went to Daniel Jones, that that's over with.
When you do that, then you better start, you better
get it do it better. In other ways, well, he
hasn't mastered the draft. He's been an okay drafter. Yeah,
he's felled. Listen when Andrew luck Surprisingly retired, I get
(42:43):
that that's tough to overcome. One. He's everything he's done
at quarterback has failed. So he tried with Daniel Jones
as a backup. He signed up for high backup money
and it turned out look other than last week. He
was terrible, but he was He's been really good up
to last week. But here's the problem. So Carrie, he
makes his trade now the word I put this out
(43:05):
on sports Cord last week they were looking at corner
I don't know. No one knew it was gonna be
Saust guarter because he wasn't really available. But the GM
of the Jets, Darren Moujie, admitted that the offer kept
growing and became the point where like, we have to
do this. The cornerback position is that the Lake deal.
Brandt told me on his value board it was the
(43:25):
fourth most important position quarterback, left offensive tackle, right defensive end,
because you're going to get to the left tackle, then cornerback.
So how do you how do you turn on two
freshill picks? Oh, by the way, they threw in Ady
Mitchell a second rounder last year. That's insane.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
You have to do that.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Look, they're going to be bad anyway. Now. Now getting
back to Ballard in the Colts, Yeah, this is not
the way he does it. But here's the thing. No
one thought they'd be seven to two Ballard with Jim
Marse passing away and his kids running it. His daughters
were running the team. Chris has done a lot to
come back next year. What if they what if they
run on losing streak, they don't make the play, he's out.
So yeah that he he went for it. I I
(44:04):
know he overpaid. I totally agree. Every personnel person I
spoke to they just were shocked that Ballard. They still
don't understand it, Like what they knew that they were
bad at corner. That's not up to debate. What is
up to debate is why would you overpay? Y? Couldn't
you get two corners for that? You know what I'm
saying this is that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, And this is the crazy thing that I think
about it is I'm trying to figure out how do
they look at their window? Like what is the window
of expiration? Sometimes it's a quarterback I thought maybe it's
a Jonathan Taylor situation where they're like, hey, Jonathan Taylor
in the past has battled some injuries. He's having a
great year so far. Let's make sure that we cash
in on when he's at the prime of his career.
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But how does this complicate things now or or does
it complicate things if you now want to sign Daniel
Jones to a long term extension after just getting the
one year deal.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Mike Dan, that's sor right, we can talk to Mike
kessit Dan. Here's the problem. They just gave up two
first round picks, so they don't have a first round
pick until twenty twenty eight. Well, how do they get
in the quarterback on your question? So, the thought around
the league is that Ballard is Mortgage's future in terms
(45:14):
of the quarterback position. He's stuck with Daniel Jones. He's
gonna have to trade one and what and or sign
a journeyman free agent. That's what he just did with
with Daniel Jones. Really, so he's stuck. I mean, this
is let's ask you yes, yeah, well yes and no.
Theoretically yes, but you also have to see what who's
out there in free agency? And I understand you're probably
(45:35):
looking at guys who were washed up or look, who
knew about Baker Mayfield? Okay, who knew about Baker Mayfield?
You never know, though Daniel Jones up to last week
had been has been phenomenal. So yeah, look it's a
massive overpaid. That was a shocker of Monday. Was great
because all these teams wait till the last minute. When
you do that, you overpay because you know you can't
(45:56):
do any more trading until March. And if you're trying
to make a run for it, and as I said
at the top here as I set it back to you, Dan,
this is the one year to go for it because
it's so wide open. Anyone can win it if you
get in.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
That's what I was going to bring up, like that's
that's the reason. I mean, the way that you come
into the season and right now the way it's materialized,
you got a chance to win it in your mind.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Are they I don't know about that, but they have
a chance.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
But I want to go. I want to talk about
the night's tonight's game. I want to talk about the Bronco. No,
just just because of the Broncos, Adam, I got you.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
I got you like.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
This is the in my opinion, they are the worst
seven to two teams.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
And my great defense. I know they're just this is also.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Carry's way of my Super Bowl pick. No, it isn't Dan.
They are legitimately there. I don't see any Yes, the
defense is really good and they got a lot of
play makers there. But what is wrong with their offense?
What's going on with the inconsistencies?
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Next? Carry bow Next in consistent quarterback? He's just up
and down. There they've Here's the funny thing. They have
a ton of talent. Yes, yes, the running game is
it has been fine. But they they have games thirteen
to eleven. Like the Jets, they play down a lot
of the competition. I give them credit for Philly for winning.
(47:10):
It's hard to win. There was another game where they
didn't score a lot of points. Yep, they do just
enough to win there. I there's a radio show that
I do power rankers. We're actually going to do them today.
So I'll tell you what I have here. I have
the Broncos now and at my top fourteen, which is
obviously fourteen teams to make it Carry, It's funny you
bring this up. I have him at ten, Yeah, I
have him at ten.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah I don't.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I don't see it, to be honest with you, without
Patrick's tan too along. Yeah, a couple more weeks.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
Oh really Yeah, he's got a pectorial strain that those
could be those I don't know if you've ever had
that carry that those things are lingering, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, Carry and I started the show talking about Kyler
Murray and you know we've we've talked for years. Carrie
was was never a huge fan.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
Well why these many are? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Why the sense of mixed messages though? Because we had
thought that Kyler Murray was about to play on Monday Night.
Now he's on an R for four weeks. Well, no,
there were there were there was, there was talk over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Yeah, it was wrong. Here's here's this is this is
my understanding. Let me just put it this way. This
is my understanding. He's got a midfoot sprain. It could
be he has a moderate midfoot sprain. As my understanding,
if he pushes too much, he could he could be
out for months. There was a like you could push
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it and play him, but he could also it was
too risky. And now he focuses on his future. And
by the way, his contract is really onerous. The structure.
Uh it Look, they could trade him, they could want
to trade him, but a you gotta find a team
that's gonna want him. He's a smaller quarterback at five
ten and those guys actually might not be five ten,
might be five to nine. This structure is poor. It
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has what are called advance guarantees. So if he's on
the roster in March of this year, the next year
cash it fully guaranteed. Like that's the way you get
around fully guarantee the whole contract. The agents do this now,
it's another way to get it done. It's the bad
contract for the Cardinals. I don't know what they're going
to do there. And John again, it's Dan, You're right.
The craziness of what he said this week. He's a
very mercurial guy, by the way. It's a good, good
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dude from people have worked with him, players like him.
But he says some stuff every now and then where
you go, wait, wait a minute, what do you mean
by that? He just yeah, he's SE's weird stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I told carry.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Then.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I think what it does is it allows Jacoby Brissett
and I'll be the man, which honestly is a role
that he hasn't succeeded in. He's great coming in and
saving the day. Yeah, but when he's been a starter,
it's been added more pressure. Does this Does this allow
them to bring Kyler back at the end, so if
they want to part ways at the end of the season,
that there there isn't an injury situation for that. Could
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that be in play here.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
M But the problem is if he plays poorly, he
always have to look at it that way. With the
smid footsprain, it's it's in the list FRONC injury areas.
I understand it. So it's yeah, it's it's not he
didn't tear it, but it's there's enough of a spray
in that it's it's a concern and you can't you
can't risk it. That you talking to pleasure. I've had it.
It's really bad. You know, it's an unnatural spray. We're
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the midfoot splits, so it's you gotta be careful of
that thing. So that look that they they play very hard.
They had it actually had a pretty good draft. Yea.
The Montioso for it's done a good job in terment
that the draft, but they're still not a very good
football team. It starts a quarterback. You guys are absolutely right.
Look their top to running backs are out. Connor won't
be back the season. Marvin Harrison, he's getting better lately.
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I have always been a disappointment. It's stunning to me.
Uh he was super loved by people in the draft.
Who who who? Who I trust and hasn't happened. And
defensively they're competitive, but they're just they've been stuck in
neutral three years. That's my term for it.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
I was just gonna say, Kerry and I went over
their schedule and we made an argument they could be
unbeaten as crazy as it sounds. As crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
They've got a lot of players back from injury.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
When you look at how they lost these games, yeah,
I know they were not a lot.
Speaker 5 (50:49):
Though they do that a lot. No, but but but look, okay, so,
but if you look at their scheduler coming up, I mean, honestly,
if you look at the rest of their schedule, Okay,
they got they got one. They got to beat the Bengals.
You know that Bengals. They're not competitive defensively, but Seattle
the Niners, the Jags, the Bucks, the Rams, the Texans
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defense the Rams again, Falcons, who are unachieving by the way,
they are really disappointing. I'm I'm surprised. My friend Rhee
Marson doing better. He's there's something missing with their offense.
They should be way. Their defense is good, their offense
is not.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Adam, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a stab at myself
here since I threw since I threw Dan under the
bus with this deal Broncos, My team in the NFC
is underachievement as well.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
And I don't know who they are either, and that's
the Green Bay Packers, Like who are they? Yeah, I mean,
you know, offensively, they got weapons, they got back now.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
But yeah, what it is is how do I describe this?
So their defense is good, I mean, they don't have
an elite defense, but for some when Joe Barry got fired,
the thought around the club was they were too soft,
they were unachieving. They changed their scheme from thirty four,
which they'd ran for decades, to forty three under Jeff Hafley,
the former Boston College head coach who had coached in
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the league as an assistant for a while there. Look,
here's the thing. From a front seven talent level, it's
hard to find a team that's more talented, but they're
not real good at corner, like very beatable corner offensively. Now,
with a Tucker Craft injury, which is major, he had
an ACL he was having a phenomenal year. What's interesting
about that one, guys, is that Luke Musgrave was the starter.
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They were drafted and they were selecting the same draft
and Musgrave got hurt and he had an illness and
he never got a job back. And now Craft is
out and Musgrave gets his job back, and then look
everyone now and then Jordan Love done play well, but
he's had a good year. There. They're five to and one.
I did pick them the win division, but they're not
going to win the Super Bowl. Matt mcfore is not.
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Here's the problem. Mattinfore has not been a good playoff
head coach. Yeah he's very conservative as a play caller. Yeah,
big balance guy. But what I did like against Pittsburgh
when Love went twenty for twenty to finish out the game.
When they beat Pittsburgh, they were behind and then Love
one off the fourth quarter, he did say we stayed
with a pass because it was just Jordan was so good.
Why run the ball. That's what Lafleur's got to do.
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A curry to answer your question. If you want to
be great, take advantage of the talent. Now, Green Bay
has got a number of injuries at receiver. They've got
three guys are hurt. That's a problem for them as
they host the Eagles, and the Eagles have kind of
owned them in recent years.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
He goes in Monday Night Football. Will wrap up Week ten.
Week ten start tonight with the Raiders and Broncos. As
we talked about, so Adam Kaplan will be busy. Adam,
thanks so much. We'll talk to you next time. All right,
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's Thursday. There's football tonight, Week ten of the National
Football League season, starting the second half. Welcome in a
lot to get to, including Carry Rhodes taking victory laps
around this table here, Yes, victory laps. As the Kyler
Murray era is taking quite the turn in Arizona. It's
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been the talk of the NFL. Very rarely do you
get the Arizona Cardinals leading shows. Very rarely do you
get the Arizona Cardinals being the talk of the town.
That is what's happening is Kyler Murray's on injured reserve,
Weresett is now the starter, and Carrie Rhodes was apparently.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Right all along. Yeah, Kyler Murray was. He's just not
the guy. He's not a guy that's gonna be a
leader for you. He's not gonna be a guy that's
going to galvanize the troops for you. So if he's
not playing at a level that you cannot sit him
where we saw in a couple a couple years ago,
right where he played really well. He was a pro bowler,
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and you kind of look past some of the deficiencies
or some of the things that he wasn't really good at.
But when all those things come to fruition and your
play is not elevating the team alongside with the leadership
stuff and the stuff that we know, and I've seen
just from Afar not even being a part of the
organization or being there every day, you could tell he's
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not a guy that galvanizes the guys. He's not a
guy that's gonna go do the extra work and sit
down with the Marvin Harris and the guy that you
want to be your leading number one receiver. He's not
going to do the extra things to make sure he
elevates that guy. He's only worried about himself, it seems like.
And so when that happens, and then you hit a
snag where you're injured now and somebody steps in that
position and actually executes the offense the way it's supposed
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to look and also was making Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Look like a number one receiver. Then you know there's
an issue.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So I want to backtrack because Karry and I do
the show on Sunday afternoons end Zone Radio five Eastern,
two Pacific.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
And it's not meant to disrespect Kyler Murray. Just have
never been a fan. And you kind of laid out
some of the reasons why I think people dismissed Kyler
Murray or didn't believe in Kyler Murray solely because of
his height or lack thereof. But that was never the
issue with you at all. No.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, you say, like we saw that two years well
maybe two three, ill no longer it's been now, but
two or three years ago when he was a pro bowler,
we weren't talking about that then. I mean, obviously everybody
comes into the league with some sort of deficiency, and
for him, obviously it was glaring that he was a
smaller guy, right, and so it would always fall back
on that if he wasn't playing well. And then you
start getting the leaks and you started hearing things about
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they have to put a study clause in his contract,
which is ridiculous, and a no game and like things
that your quarterback, your leaders should never have to be addressed.
And so when those things started coming out, that for
me is a bigger thing because again, all of us
have deficiencies. I was a guy that was not super
physical when I first came out, so I had to
work on that, right, Like, there are certain things about
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going into a league and having no ego, having a
healthy ego, and say I'm really good at this, but
I'm not good at this yet, and so how do
you get better at that? And we've seen it, we've
seen where they put the clause in this contract to
now and we're still having the same conversation. So if
that's the case, then he's just not the guy.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This is the point where I think you were pointing
out where Kyler Murray had success was in the twenty
twenty one season. That's for you. It's been a while,
it's been a while. They made it to a wild
card game. They started out to see in pretty well,
pretty strong. I think they were seven and at one
point that season and ended up making the playoffs. And
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it was immediately after that that Kyler Murray then wanted
his new contract because that would have he was drafted
in twenty nineteen would have been his thirty years, so
that was the first year he was eligible to get
a contract extension. I remember it vividly of being at
the Super Bowl in Los Angeles Radio Row that week
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and the topic of conversation being Kyler Murray has scrubbed
the Arizona Cardinals from his social media.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know what took me by surprise in that scenario
was that we were at the Super Bowl for a
team that just three weeks prior, we're playing in a
playoff game, so it hadn't even been three weeks old,
and he had already started this contract negotiation with the team.
That's what was was surprising to me was as soon
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as he became eligible. I don't even know if he
technically was still eligible or would have been eligible. So
this season actually ended, but we knew that offseason he
could get an extension. But he didn't even waste any
time for the Super Bowl to be played to already
you know, show his displeasure and people had a bad
taste in their mouth with Miles Garrett doing what he
did last year with the Browns and saying hey, I
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want out and talking with teams and going to Super
Bowl week and speaking to the media and people throwing
out teams, all, yeah, I'd love to play in Washington.
That'd be a great place like that didn't That didn't
sit well with a lot of people. So it didn't
sit well with me when Kyler Murray took the first
second there, like he's he's outside best Buy on Thanksgiving
night at eight o'clock, you know, ready for the Black
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Friday deals to open. He's the first in line to
go and do it. That's what set me off. That said, huh,
not that he wasn't going to get a new contract,
but there was there was no reason to be so
dramatic in that step. And so that that's for me
what what turned with Kyler Murray. And then it just
feels like things have really plateaued, and if they haven't plateaued,
they've gone down, because they sure haven't gone up. That's
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always been my issue Kyler Murray as of late.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
I mean at that time, Dan people were there were
people in the media and people around the league saying
I might take Kyler Murvy of Lamar Jackson. Remember those conversations, Yeah, ridiculous,
But the fact that that was a conversation at that time.
It just shows me that there's a lot of people
out there that aren't real in depth with their ball.
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Knowing now, people have great seasons all the time, and
it's always about when you have that great season and
you have that new contract, who are you? Because once
you get that new contract, we're gonna know who you are.
Like the guys that are really great and really care
about their craft, that's not the end of it, Like
that's just part of a milestone, that's a stepping stone
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to a better life and all those things. But I
want to be considered one of the best to do it.
And so when you get to the point of having
those expectations put on you, that's when you really find
out who people are. And with Kyler Murray, we've seen
that you said it. He was very eager to get
that deal done. But we also when I all that,
I had no doubt about where he was going after that.
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It wasn't he was going to the next level. I
was like, he's done, sure, because he's also had baseball asparations, right,
He's had other things that he's looked at and was
supposed to be really good at as well. So I
never really believed in what he could be long term
with the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
What do you believe in the comments that were said
this week, because this is now where the Kyler Murray
saga has taken an interesting turn, where Jonathan Gannon had
this to say earlier about Kyler Murray about his injury
and what the future, the immediate future holds for the quarterback.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Today, Kyler is going to go on IR. Feel like
that's the best thing for him and for us. He's
not fully healthy ready to go yet, so that makes
the most sense. Obviously that's a change, but we just felt,
you know, looking at it right now, that's the best
thing for him and us.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Like I just said, that was Jonathan Gannon yesterday talking
about to move to place Kyler Murray on IR. There's
more to this. There's a bigger thought. Why would Kyler Murray?
Why would Kyler Murray be placed on injured reserve and
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need four more weeks to heal carry rhades When it
was just days prior to their game against the Cowboys
that there were reports coming out that Kyler Murray could
see action against Dallas on Monday night.
Speaker 7 (08:31):
Uh huh?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Why are we getting this mixed message from Arizona that
just days later, when Kyler Murray was about to return
from his foot injury. Now not only is he not
going to play in week ten, he's not going to
play for the next four weeks. Yeah, something doesn't add up.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes, the internal conversations inside that locker room, inside that
war room is a little bit different than what they're
giving out right. I could see a scenario where the
offensive coordneta really likes the way that Jacobe Brissett runs
his offense.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Because if you're in the hot seat as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
As a GM, as an offensive coordinator, whatever it is,
your job's on the line in the interim right now,
Jacoby Brissett gives him the best opportunity to win. He's
going to get everybody the ball, He's going to be
on time, on target, and the offense looks like the
way that the offensive coordinator wants it to look. And
you have Jonathan Gannon, Jonathan Gannon as a head coach
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going out and doing this making his comments. There was
a disconnect there between the owner head coach GM because
he's talking out of turn. And then you have to
come back and you got to fix that a little bit.
You gotta do a little damage control. And I think
all these things say what I think about Arizona right now.
In general, they are disfunctional. And that's where I'll leave it.
(09:48):
And I'll leave it for you, Dan. That's the rest.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
That's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I got another question. You got what you got? Were
the drops by Marvin Irrison Junior earlier this season? Really
the fault of Marvin Harrison Junior. Now that we know
what we know, can we really blame the wide receiver
for dropping a football against the forty nine ers having
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an awful interception against the Green Bay Packers? Can we
for dropping a pass? Can we really blame Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Junior for this?
Speaker 3 (10:19):
We can? Oh, we're not gonna We're not. We're not
just dumping on Kyler here. No, Marvin Harrison was definitely
not doing high and well in certain points as well
in this season.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So the drops by Marvin Harrison weren't because of the
relationship with Kyler Murray. They were a Marvin Harrison issue.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Marvin Harrison definitely started out thinking way too much, and
you could tell by the way he was running his
routes there was no decisiveness, but also the decisiveness comes
in part with the tandem of the quarterback and receiver.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
There is carry over there.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So you're saying it's because of Kyler Murray in part
a little bit. Okay, what you got? What's going on here, Daniel?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I just am saying you, like, why does Marvin Harrison
set a career high with three first quarter targets?
Speaker 6 (11:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I know if I would have told you on Sunday
during our show that Marvin Harrison's career high for receptions
of the game was six, you wouldn't have believed me.
Speaker 8 (11:26):
I would not have, but I would have. You wouldn't
have believed me. This is I think it's partially due
to Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It is.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I agree with and I think that Marvin Harrison Junior
is looking at Kyler Murray as the quarterback that is paid.
That is the amusing the air quotes. The leader of
the team put so much pressure on himself that he
ended up making those mistakes. I get it, you're paid
to catch the football. But that receiver that we saw
putting drama playing a blender on Monday night, that's him
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was not the one that we saw in San Francisco
earlier on in this.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Season, they were not on the same page at all.
And you know why, Dan Kyler Murray is a guy
that likes to play off platform. Right, he can't see,
so when he's in the pocket, he misses windows. He
throws the balls late, he throws the ball where Marvin
Harrison probably wouldn't be expecting the ball to be thrown. Right,
All those things really matter. Right, So if I'm running
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ten yards and I'm running an in breaking route across
the middle, and I'm expecting to be thrown in that
first window and you throw it in the second window,
that is a difference. So one hundred percent part of
the drops work Kyler. But as a receiver, if the
ball touches your hands, you gotta touch it. So there's
there's fault to be on both of them.
Speaker 9 (12:45):
Okay, why then, why then? Why then? Why then? Why then?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Why then did they place him on injured reserve and
not just bench Kyler Murray? Because if you kept him
on injury reserve for the rest of the season, you
can say, hey, injury wise, but there's probably injury guarantees
in the contract. Why not just bench Kyler Murray In
favor of Jacoby Brissette. If Kyler Murray was so close
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to playing on Monday Night.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
They are trying to save face as an organization.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
They're trying to appease to some of the people.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That may like Kyler Murray on that team, right, And
so there's a level of, like I said, they've been
doing a little backpedaling to control the situation because you
just said it.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
If Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Feels like the victim, something else is gonna come from
this as well. He's not gonna be one to hold
his tongue and that will cause confusion dissension among the team.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
So does that answer for you?
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (13:55):
What you got?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
This is what This is what I think happens. This
is what I think happens. They're going to give Jacoby
Brissett four weeks where he's the man. He hasn't been
the man the last couple of weeks. Even though he's
been the starting quarterback, he's been the replacement. Jacoby Brissett
for his solid of a career that he has had
has not been able to handle or has not been
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able to hold onto a job as a starting quarterback
in the NFL. True, this absolves them from pushing Kyler
Murray back and putting him in a bad situation where
the fans are calling for Jacoby Brissett. They're almost in
a way allowing Jacoby Brissett the opportunity to fail. So
when he if he doesn't come through, then guess what.
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Kyler's fully healthy. Kyler has a new code of paint
on him. He's looked at as a different quarterback. If
Jacoby Brissett leads this team to four straight victories and
now they're in the playoff hunt, who cares about what
Kyler Murray feels. I think that that's why Arizona did
what they did. I think that is I think that
is why Arizona did what they did. It is to
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put Jacoby Brissett in the spotlight, a spot, a place
where he hasn't thrived. But if he does, it's a
win for Arizona. If he doesn't, guess who can come
into the rescue or doesn't look as bad anymore. It's
Kyler Murray.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Great point, And I'm also going to say this, when
you put Jacoby Brissett in that position as the lead dog,
there are quarterbacks and players in the league that are
really good relief pitchers right, Yes, but when you have
to be a starting pitcher or starting quarterback is starting
whatever it is. The ability to go through that game
knowing that everybody is looking at you to actually be
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the savior, the guy that's going to lead us to
where we need to go to the pumise land. That's
a different energy, but in the same breath, we know
this and you know this for sure because you're high
on you were high on Arizona. Yes, and what they
could do. Think about the games they lost with Kyler
Murray at quarterback. They could have won all three of
those four of those games that they lost. And so
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they're right there if they operate at a level that
it needs to be operated at. And I think I
really do believe that Gannon and their GM they're in
this together and they need to win now. So as
far as putting Kobe Bissett in the position to fail
or to succeed, I agree with it.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
But they're banking on him to succeed.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
The Arizona Cardinals, you could make an argument, as crazy
as it sounds, could be undefeated. Yes, that's what I'm
telling you. Yeah, the three and five they gave up
the comeback to the Titans. Never should have happened. Yep,
Amario de Marcado. The Colts, Jason Stewart, and I remember
the Colts game. They're driving down the field a goal
(16:40):
to gold situation, down by four, they don't score. An
awful decision by Jonathan Gannon to go for it against
the Green Bay Packers that sets them up for their score.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
They lost against the forty nine Ers sixteen to fifteen
in a game where they had a lead late on
the safety and couldn't end up converting on it.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Like this is.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
They came back against the Seahawks and the Seahawks one
on the last second field goal to win. Like there
are all these situations that that Arizona could be really
really good. Half the least, the Colts and Packers game
against two really good teams, arguably the best teams in
the National Football League, and jo Kobe Brissett had them
within a score and an opportunity to win. Yeah, Jason Stewart,
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do you remember that Colts game in what was happening
against the Cardinals?
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I do, because a lot of us had the Colts
and our survivor a real close attention to those final
seconds Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
We were texting back and form like he's gonna take
them down the field, They're gonna score.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
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Speaker 2 (17:44):
In Old AFC West Showdown tonight in the Mile High City.
Raiders and Broncos get things going in week ten. Welcome in.
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Dan Bayer on Fox in a week Carry.
Speaker 9 (18:00):
Well.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
There aren't a lot of huge spreads in the National
Football League, closer games than you would have had maybe
in a couple of other weeks. Tonight you've got the
biggest spread of all the games that are going to
be played in week ten, nine and a half in
favor of the Broncos. You've got Detroit an eight and
a half favorite on the road against the Commanders, who
are playing obviously without Jayden Daniels. But you got a
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lot of two and a half, he got some four
and a half, he got some one and a half.
Should be a very competitive week in the NFL in
Week ten.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, they're usually all one score games, and so even
when those sprants get to that double digit mode.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I never really feel safe with any of those picks
up her. So it could be a season where you
have a team that's a wild card team and ends
up running the table and going to the super Bowl
and winning a super Bowl. It's happened before, it's happened recently.
Maybe it'll happen again here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, we've talked about it. This season seems very wide open.
You know, we have bursts of teams playing really acceptional football,
but then most for the most part, it's been averaging,
so meaning teams haven't had that killer instinct yet and
so for them to get to this point in the
season with the halfway mark, I think we're gonna start
stands separation a little bit here as we move forward.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And I remember the Pittsburgh Steelers when they, unfortunately for me,
beat my Seahawks and Super Bowl forty, that crazy run
with Ben Roethlisberger in his second year, and they all
asked the Colts in the divisional playoffs and they went
to Denver and ended up knocking off the Broncos before
the refs allowed them to win Super Bowl forty. But
there was a there was a road warrior mentality for
Pittsburgh that year, and it helped them bring home a
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Super Bowl crowd similar to Arizona.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Arizona was close to doing that same thing, got to
the championship game and lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers again
and that Super Bowl. So yeah, it definitely can't happen
where teams get hot and make that run.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I know it's happened before, but as it happened in
twenty ten.
Speaker 10 (19:54):
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Thy and Stuart's our executive producer, Manci Blanios is here,
as is Iowa Sam hanging out Jason.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Take it away, Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I'll take it here.
Speaker 7 (20:09):
Something extremely happened, extremely exciting, happened sixteen years ago, almost
to the date. I'm gonna I mean, I'm just gonna
set the scene a little bit. Twenty ten, second week
in November, first week in November, the Arizona Cardinals, I think,
visited the Minnesota Vikings at ten twenty in the first quarter.
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As Brett fav was breaking back to pass towards Greg Lewis,
the ball is intercepted by Carrie Roads. What intercepted by.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Carrie told me this.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I don't talk about everything, Dan, I don't give myself
too much.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
But it doesn't stop there, Dan, Carrie. Carrie returns the
ball sixty six yards sixtys what against Brett farv This
doesn't end well, only for the ball to be charged
loose by Greg Camerrillo FuMO recovery Vikings.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Hey, it was bad too.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I had to go back out on defense. I don't
want to do that. I was tired.
Speaker 7 (21:17):
Sixteen years ago, almost to the day, Carrie, What do
you remember about that game, other than that amazing play
where you intercept a Hall of Famer?
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, I just remember it wasn't that was my first
time intercepting them. But it was my first time fumbling
the ball in the end zone. But I didn't. It
wasn't for me trying to reach out or do anything
like dropping the ball. Early Camarillo came and got me
and he just stripped it at the goal line. I
was so upset too because we had to go back
on defense.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I was tired.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Can you imagine it right now in your mind as
it's happening, of being.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I know what I did wrong and everything I was like,
I picked it off, made the first guy missed. I'm
running down down the sideline. Two people are coming to
get the angle on me, and I cut back on them.
And when I cut back, I was clear. But that
cutback gave Camarillo time to get back into play from behind.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
And so it was a tough one.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Coach gave me grief all year about it too, every
time hold it high and tight care I was like, listen.
Speaker 7 (22:12):
Well, the good news is you didn't need those points
because you lost by three and over Tommon to the Vikings.
And I want to say, the biggest humble Bragg maybe
in the history of this show, happened two minutes ago
when Carrie, in the middle of telling the story, just
said that wasn't the only time I intercepted Hall of
Famer Brett Farr.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Did you yell as you were running down the sidelines,
like give me my own office, give me my own
locker room, because that's what he had when Farvis with
the Jets.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
That's right, So he did not.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
They didn't. Farve didn't change with the the common Jets players.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Starved, not Chay.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And I told you before, I love Brett, So Brett's
Brett was a cool guy for me, and so to
pick him off again was pretty pretty cool for sure.
I gotta find this highlight. You don't I thought I
liked you guys too. We're going to start with that
and the throw back twenty.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Ten they named a town not far from here after
Greg Camio after that play. I've got outlets and yeah,
everyone exactly.
Speaker 9 (23:17):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
It was in twenty ten that the green Bay Packers
did what I was saying. They got on a run,
ended up winning the Super Bowl later on the next year,
but in twenty ten, they weren't the team that we
thought that they needed to be. They had to go
on a winning streak at the end of the seasons
you can get into the postseason. I remember I was
at the game at lambeau Field when they beat the
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New York Giants in the second to last week of
the season, kind of started their winning streak and then
lo and behold, they go on and win the Super
Bowl title. But Green Bay was not a lock. They
were good. And then it was the next year where
they had the one loss season, but we're upset in
the playoffs by the Giants. But it was a regular
season game against the Giants in twenty ten that I
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was at lambeau Field that they ended up starting their run.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I just want to thank you guys for allowing all
the trauma and the PSD to PTSD to come up.
Right now, I'm sake and thinking about being that close
to having another time.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
This is this is why Jason Stewart is the best
at what he does. I thought something happened in the
Broncos Raiders rivalry because it's usually tied to that night's
game or that night's matchup, but completely different.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
It's just yeah, I was easy, easy topic fodder today.
Thank you, Jason.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
It was such a gem because you know when I
when I try to find specific things to start the uh,
don't call it a throwback. I always look for specific
moments or just familiar names. And I can't believe I
came across this gym our very own Carrie Rhodes with
a remarkable play. And I just want to make this clear.
(24:51):
He did not pick Brett Farva off just once. No,
that's just multiple times, multiple times. Sam, do you remember
anything from twenty ten? I want to I want the
listeners to go back to twenty ten. What were you
doing in twenty ten?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
We were in the.
Speaker 7 (25:04):
Middle of Obama's what second Oh no, no, the first term. Yeah,
before the midterms. Actually, I think he was able to
do some stuff. Sam, what do you remember most about.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Tire we Go?
Speaker 11 (25:15):
I mean I was, I was paying close attention to
those Packers. I just want to I remember if Rogers
suffered a concussion and a loss of seventy three loss
to the Lions. This was in Detroit, and then yeah,
they took another loss to the Patriots, and then they
reeled off two wins to get into the postseason.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
So basically what I just said.
Speaker 11 (25:35):
Yes, but they was out the concussion, so it was
a little bit of I think they finished ten and
six and then then they started their their run to
a championship. What was I doing? Very disappointed in Hawkeye football.
They were supposed to win it all, win the Big Ten,
at least be very good in twenty ten, but they
disappointed us and finished eight and five, though with a
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win over rank Missouri team and the Inside dot Com
how about that eight and five? Mike a Hide with
a pick six in that game.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Just to kind of piggyback off that. I remember that
season the Packers. They started out the air with a
win against the Eagles and then they ended up I'm
totally just.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
Yeah right here, actually started out three and one.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
All right, MATSI do you remember overtime about twenty ten
in the Packers season That I'm kidding.
Speaker 12 (26:23):
In twenty ten in college, I was not worried about
the Packers.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
That is the last thing.
Speaker 11 (26:27):
I was already round.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I was still in school.
Speaker 12 (26:29):
Yeah, I was in college talking smack maybe about Lebron
James and his decision because I was like, stink Cleveland,
stink Cleveland, Just why are you gonna go? I was
a fan of Lebron at this time, so I did
not I did not want him to make that move
because I thought it was very like, why are you
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doing the taking an easier route here?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
My god?
Speaker 11 (26:54):
Stay?
Speaker 12 (26:54):
And so that's definitely something I was doing you while
enjoying a cocktail.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
How nervous he was where he did like his head
shake like I'm gonna take my talents to South Beach
and play for the Miami Heat. And he had this
nervous tick where he just nodded feverishly, like almost trying
to convince himself that he was doing the right thing.
Speaker 11 (27:17):
Yeah, it was a little awkward, a little a little.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, it was a little.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
It was.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It was so awkward that I think it's some of
the greatest TV we've actually ever had. And I wish that, honestly,
I've said it. I wish more free Agents would do this.
It completely ripped the heart out of Cleveland.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
It really did, right like it really did.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's like taking your date or fiance and you're about
to get married. Zara can't do it. I'm gonna leave
with that girl and leading the wedding. That's what he did.
He brought everybody there to see what he wanted to do,
and then he ended up breaking their hearts.
Speaker 7 (27:50):
And this fall, I'm going to take my talents to
South Beach.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
Where is he going to take his talents now?
Speaker 12 (27:56):
Because the Lakers don't want him?
Speaker 2 (27:59):
The Cairo fixed that. Sciatica, Yeah fixed the Sciatica.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Turn on your Side twenty ten was one of the
greater runs, one of the final fours. We talked a
lot about on The Doug Gottlieb Show. It's when Butler
made it to the National Championship Game and my dookies
college hoops and Yeah, Duke ended up surviving, but they
were a half court he from Gordon Hayward away from
possibly the greatest upset that we had we had seen
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in the NCAA tournament, and that ball was online.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, hit the backboard, hit the hit the front rim
and almost went in.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
That was a big, one, magnificent scene in Indianapolis where
Butler's located. To be able to play in front of
that many fans and have that sort of drama against
the team of college basketball, Yeah, it was huge.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Twenty ten for me was one of the watermark moments
in my career. I was actually out here in LA
I was training for the twenty ten season, coming off
an AFC Championship run with the Jets. You know, I'm
here training getting ready for the season, and I come
home from workout. I'm sitting in front of the TV.
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I have a million myth calls. I have no idea
why I'm turn on the ESPN, And the first thing
that comes across the bottom of the ticker on the
ESPN it says, no, none, no, none, this jet has
flown the coop And I.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Was like, Whi's jet?
Speaker 4 (29:19):
And it was me.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I got trad Arizona in twenty ten, and so that
was the birth of me and the Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I'm surprised to say this. Uh you know this
jet has hit the roads, you.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Know, something like that.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
It could have been more clever.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, sure, carry on right or a new game? What
early fall spring twenty twenty six. We got a new
game coming up, Jason with Carry Roads.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
I don't know if I want to give it away
yet beginning, Okay, all right?
Speaker 11 (29:52):
In fact, you know what, fair enough, I did want
to I love the ts.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
Yeah, I have a feeling I know what Carry Rhodes
was listening to that day when he had all the
miss calls, because he was listening to this banger from
twenty ten that everyone.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Loved, not only times tib was.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
There on you.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Nothing on your Bank.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I'm guessing Carrie Rose is the one person in the
studio that could hit the note, just hit in that
famous chorus. That's Bob top the charts for seven weeks
and twenty ten. H I love this song about you guys,
but I think all of us made out with our
significant other many times to this tune.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Don't know about you guys.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Bruno mars Is the is the quintessential like rock stop
pop star. I think he's the most talented guy that's going.
Speaker 11 (30:54):
Right of the dancer too. Yeah, yeah, he's super naturally.
He's trying exactly, which is annoying. Like I don't even
think you're trying to sing. I think it just comes out.
It's so good, it's so good, so good.
Speaker 7 (31:04):
I mean, you can speak to this, isn't He kind
of like Prince and the Can he play all yes,
all the instruments, yes, and hit all the notes yes,
I mean, and phenomenal time.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
And I remember he hosted SNL. He was hilarious, he
was great, He was great. He can many towns, many towns.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
For I wasn't a huge fan of Bruno Mars. Yeah,
to be quite honest, I don't know. I just never
never took to it. But seeing a super Bowl halftime
performance he was the halftime performance in the Seahawks went
over the Broncos in New Jersey and it was a
really really good show. Yeah, it was for just the
fifteen minutes that it was.
Speaker 11 (31:40):
He had like a tiny, little circular stage and he
was just like little, you know, fire feet.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
It was amazing. No, he's amazing, for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Absolutely a great year in music, TVs, movies.
Speaker 13 (31:53):
I know, I got I got nothing. I just know
that's usual. I haven't even gotten my dog about this.
Got to my Gulf Doug when you need him for
the movie recap. No, I need Dan to get to
his golf as we effort the pop culture. So this
is what happened in golf. Phil Nicholson won his third
and final Masters of his career in twenty ten. I
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was fortunate enough to be at Augusta National that Sunday
when he won. And it was also the return of
Tiger Woods post scandals. Yes, I did not expect that
from Monzie because Tiger Woods winning the twenty nineteen Masters
was an absolute love fest. In twenty ten, he was
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either Tiger Woods, the great golfer or the scumbag who
cheated on his wife. One yes, and with all these women.
And as he was walking down the fifteenth fairway on Sunday,
half of the grand stand that I was in stood
and applauded like they would for many a Master's champion.
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Others sat and did nothing.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Really, it was so eerie because it was it's freaking
Tiger Woods. But you have to remember at that time
how toxic everything was around Tiger. Yeah, and then you
fast forward to him winning in twenty nineteen and it's
an absolute love fest. But at that time, Tiger Woods
was viewed by many as the cheater and that scandal
(33:25):
was his return in twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And the crazy part about that is he cheated on
his wife. It's tough and we know it's wrong, but
he didn't hurt it all. He didn't hurt it all.
He didn't do anything like that.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Was the problem people had were I think the number
of women, Yeah, and also him trying to portray him
being a family man and using and then that going on.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
That's what I think a lot of people. Was he
portraying it or did we see it that way?
Speaker 3 (33:50):
You think he was actually giving that off like I'm
the family man Tiger or were we given that to him?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I think that. I think that, I think that he
you think so?
Speaker 7 (33:59):
Yeah, yes, I also think that the reaction of his
wife just like inflated the controversy. It's almost like with
these athletes, wife, you know what you're signing up for
kinda and they don't. They don't add to the drama
when this comes up. But she went full bore, like
she was extremely offended and shocked that it happened, and
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it didn't. It didn't help his cause.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, and because she was tied in like with the
golf community with players, because she was a nanny to
Yesper Parnovic, who is a player, introduced to Tiger. You know,
so some people felt really like, oh, geez, I'm the
one that brought her into this, you know, into this world.
They felt, you know, very turned back and yeah, what
a Lebron's decision and wow, and the scandal of the time.
(34:47):
Tiger got busted in late two thousand and nine, but
then his return ended up coming in twenty ten.
Speaker 7 (34:51):
Speaking of drama, and I'm gonna start talking about scripted drama,
all right, this is one of Montsi's favorites. She brings
us one up a lot. Modern Family came a major
sensation in twenty ten. It started in twenty two thousand
and nine, twenty ten. It just it kind of hit.
It strive and a big deal.
Speaker 12 (35:09):
It's so good. The early seasons are so good. The
later seasons you just watch because you've been watching so
you want to see how it is.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
The kids being older, they're not as.
Speaker 11 (35:16):
Funny, they're not as good.
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Hailey is great, but Hailey was already like a teenager
like older teenager, she's great, but the kids as they
get older. You know, you know, a great show, great show,
And you're right the beginning the first episode. You know
how typically pilots suck, yes, like because they're figuring it out.
Speaker 11 (35:31):
Right, Hey they fly our planes. Come on, you're specful.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
And now the.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Conversation, Yes, that was what let's talk about that.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
There were The Office was another one with Steve Carrell,
like where their first six episodes were so good, but
Maazi's right. The pilot for the family excellent. Chef's Kiss Wait,
what made that's still so good? I never watched it.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
It crazy.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
It's it's the writing and the you can't I just
don't think you can teach comedy. It's about timing, you
know what I mean. And all of them just got
I don't know if the editing was the one that
made it, but I don't. I think it was just them,
like they just all clicked. And Phil who is Phil Dumphy,
I can't think of his.
Speaker 11 (36:15):
Name, ty Berrelle.
Speaker 12 (36:17):
He normally did dramas. This is the first time he
ever did a comedy and they there was like very
split on him, Like people were like, he's not the
guy at someone else. They recorded the scene at the
end of the pilot where he shoots Hayley's boyfriend with
the baby gun on an iPhone to show the people,
look at how good this guy is, and that's how
they booked him off of an iPhone.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Well, in comedies you need the straight man, so if
he played a straight man well to what they're doing,
it will work.
Speaker 5 (36:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Can I tell you what my favorite Modern Family I'm
not gonna say because the joke is whatever, but it's
when Dylan sings is I just want to do you
saw Yes, yeah, and then but the end is all
of them singing it in their heads, yeah, coming yeah.
Speaker 14 (36:58):
I like that is I thought that the yeah so smart.
So Carrie, you've never seen the show. I think I
think you would hold up if you started. I'm coming
out right, Okay, we'll do it.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Let's just say it.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
It lives, It still stands up. If you was to
watch start watching it today, he would love it. It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I'm gonna throw another show out to you guys, and
it's simply I would think it's kind of in that
same vein because they do the first person like narrative
thing as well. But everybody loves Chris. Have you guys
seen that at all way back when? Yeah, everybody loves Chris,
The Chris Rocks. Yeah, I've never seen it, but talk
about smart and funny. Like I had never watched it
at that time either, but I watched it this year
recently and it still holds up. And I just love
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at that time and even what we're talking about right now,
the things you could still say and do at that
time in comedy matter, and I think that's part partly
why it's funny as well.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I like to Oh, sorry, I was gonna say, I
remember that show as well.
Speaker 11 (37:53):
Go ahead, Sam, I like to throw one more show
out there that was just getting into its heyday, into
its heyday, and the theme song go something.
Speaker 7 (38:00):
Like this.
Speaker 11 (38:02):
Wowow wow. Breaking Bad two thousand and eight it started,
but by twenty ten it was humming along nicely.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
I got a bad cold. See that's what you did,
TOMANSI at the pilot. I took Breaking Bad and I
made it and I made it about me, but it
completely threw you off. It doesn't make sense. I don't
even saying the same thing with Pilot.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
She said.
Speaker 11 (38:28):
Pilots usually suck, and I said, no, they fly our planes.
That makes way more sense. No, we're talking.
Speaker 12 (38:34):
You've never heard of what a pilot is and TV
shows is I.
Speaker 11 (38:36):
Know what a pilot is.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Yeah, that's why it was a joke.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
But I do have a bad cold, as you can tell. Yes, Yeah,
I love Breaking I was fortunate enough to watch Breaking
Bad after so we could just go episode after episode.
Same thing with Game of Thrones. Yeah, I'm so glad
I watched it that way instead of having to wait
each week or oh man, Game of Thrones.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Years, there's a breaking back.
Speaker 14 (39:00):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Do you watch any TV. I'm more of a movie guy,
you know, I'm a big movie guy speaking to movies.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
You time.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
What a great year twenty ten. Thank you, Thank you
for taking us on that ride.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Do you have a back end?
Speaker 4 (39:17):
I don't call it a throwback?
Speaker 10 (39:19):
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us the latest of what's going on on this Thursday.
Jason Stewart's the executive producer and Iowa Sam is our
technical producer. Adam Kaplan winning in the Wings, but I
just want to I want to say, coming up in
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after Moncy's update, it's gonna be a little what the
puck or is Sam? You would like to call the segment?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
Was it?
Speaker 11 (39:58):
Uh crack crack?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
All right?
Speaker 11 (40:02):
What you thought that as the old Putt crack scandal?
Speaker 5 (40:05):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Yeah, Adam Kaplan, you may want to stick around just
to hang out and hear that segment coming out.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
I want to know.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yes, we've we keep your interests. Oh my goodness, you
guys as far as you know.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Yes, all right.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
So we found out a report today that the Chiefs
had offered the Jets a fourth round pick for Breese Hall,
and after trading Quinnin Williams and Sauce Gardner, the Jets said, yeah, thanks,
but no thanks, so they keep Breese Hall. How does
that go down? With the Jets and Darren Moogie making
the decision to keep the what feels like a disgruntled
(40:37):
running back right now.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
Yeah, that was fun. I think one of the local
outlets in New York. But yeah, what happened. My understanding
was that if Breshall walks right, which is almost certain happened,
they have no interest in extending his contract. So if
he walks, unless they change the mind of course by March,
but if he walks, they feel that he could sign
a monster deal. He could he still be one of
(40:59):
the best agent run backs out there, if not the best,
and it could possibly for twenty twenty seven get a
third round compensatory pick. That's what something the Bengals. The
Bengals have done, by the way, it's not a secret
in league circles. They they they've let a number of
free agents go over the years and they like to
build their compensatory pick group. The Ravens have done it.
It's another way to build up your roster. So that's
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that's that's my understanding of what they're thinking was I look,
if you and I were running, I would have said
I would have said, Dan Luck, we're not gonna keep
He's not gonna be back, so let's let's take a
third Yep. Now the problem is now the Chiefs, depending
on which sports book you look at, are though they're
five and four, they're still plus five, there's still the
(41:40):
number one team to to win the Super Bowl. I
find it ridiculous. Yes, but that's tells you how wide
open the league is this year.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
But I think that's what lends into the Colts making
the deal sure for salts Gardner, right do you? I
thought they overspent for him.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
But oh yeah, but you're not kidding.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Okay, okay, we're on the same page. But tell me
what were the what were there thinking there at him?
Speaker 5 (42:00):
All Right? So, first of all, I want to say this,
and I have a lot of respect for Chris Ballad.
I know Chris a little bit, but you know his
if his problem has been and he's aware of it,
he's acknowledged it and sometimes to his detriment, but he's
probably till this trade. Kerry, the most conservative general manager
in the National Football League, doesn't like to make trades,
(42:20):
want to build for the draft. But the problem is
when you fail at quarterback and you fail in the draft.
They failed completely with Anthony Richards that they've already told
you that they went to Daniel Jones, that that's over with.
When you do that, then you better start, you better
get it do it better. In other ways, well, he
hasn't mastered the draft. He's been an okay drafter. Yeah,
he's felled. Listen when Andrew luck Surprisingly retired, I get
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that that's tough to overcome. One. He's everything he's done
at quarterback has failed. So he tried with Daniel Jones
as a backup. He signed up for high backup money
and it turned out look other than last week. He
was terrible, but he was He's been really good up
to last week. But here's the problem. So Carrie, he
makes his trade now the word I put this out
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on sports Cord last week they were looking at corner
I don't know. No one knew it was gonna be
Saust guarter because he wasn't really available. But the GM
of the Jets, Darren Moujie, admitted that the offer kept
growing and became the point where like, we have to
do this. The cornerback position is that the Lake deal.
Brandt told me on his value board it was the
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fourth most important position quarterback, left offensive tackle, right defensive end,
because you're going to get to the left tackle, then cornerback.
So how do you how do you turn on two
freshill picks? Oh, by the way, they threw in Ady
Mitchell a second rounder last year. That's insane.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
You have to do that.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
Look, they're going to be bad anyway. Now. Now getting
back to Ballard in the Colts, Yeah, this is not
the way he does it. But here's the thing. No
one thought they'd be seven to two Ballard with Jim
Marse passing away and his kids running it. His daughters
were running the team. Chris has done a lot to
come back next year. What if they what if they
run on losing streak, they don't make the play, he's out.
So yeah that he he went for it. I I
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know he overpaid. I totally agree. Every personnel person I
spoke to they just were shocked that Ballard. They still
don't understand it, Like what they knew that they were
bad at corner. That's not up to debate. What is
up to debate is why would you overpay? Y? Couldn't
you get two corners for that? You know what I'm
saying this is that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, And this is the crazy thing that I think
about it is I'm trying to figure out how do
they look at their window? Like what is the window
of expiration? Sometimes it's a quarterback I thought maybe it's
a Jonathan Taylor situation where they're like, hey, Jonathan Taylor
in the past has battled some injuries. He's having a
great year so far. Let's make sure that we cash
in on when he's at the prime of his career.
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But how does this complicate things now or or does
it complicate things if you now want to sign Daniel
Jones to a long term extension after just getting the
one year deal.
Speaker 5 (44:54):
Mike Dan, that's sor right, we can talk to Mike
kessit Dan. Here's the problem. They just gave up two
first round picks, so they don't have a first round
pick until twenty twenty eight. Well, how do they get
in the quarterback on your question? So, the thought around
the league is that Ballard is Mortgage's future in terms
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of the quarterback position. He's stuck with Daniel Jones. He's
gonna have to trade one and what and or sign
a journeyman free agent. That's what he just did with
with Daniel Jones. Really, so he's stuck. I mean, this
is let's ask you yes, yeah, well yes and no.
Theoretically yes, but you also have to see what who's
out there in free agency? And I understand you're probably
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looking at guys who were washed up or look, who
knew about Baker Mayfield? Okay, who knew about Baker Mayfield?
You never know, though Daniel Jones up to last week
had been has been phenomenal. So yeah, look it's a
massive overpaid. That was a shocker of Monday. Was great
because all these teams wait till the last minute. When
you do that, you overpay because you know you can't
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do any more trading until March. And if you're trying
to make a run for it, and as I said
at the top here as I set it back to you, Dan,
this is the one year to go for it because
it's so wide open. Anyone can win it if you
get in.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
That's what I was going to bring up, like that's
that's the reason. I mean, the way that you come
into the season and right now the way it's materialized,
you got a chance to win it in your mind.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Are they I don't know about that, but they have
a chance.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
But I want to go. I want to talk about
the night's tonight's game. I want to talk about the Bronco. No,
just just because of the Broncos, Adam, I got you.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
I got you like.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
This is the in my opinion, they are the worst
seven to two teams.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
And my great defense. I know they're just this is also.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
Carry's way of my Super Bowl pick. No, it isn't Dan.
They are legitimately there. I don't see any Yes, the
defense is really good and they got a lot of
play makers there. But what is wrong with their offense?
What's going on with the inconsistencies?
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Next? Carry bow Next in consistent quarterback? He's just up
and down. There they've Here's the funny thing. They have
a ton of talent. Yes, yes, the running game is
it has been fine. But they they have games thirteen
to eleven. Like the Jets, they play down a lot
of the competition. I give them credit for Philly for winning.
(47:10):
It's hard to win. There was another game where they
didn't score a lot of points. Yep, they do just
enough to win there. I there's a radio show that
I do power rankers. We're actually going to do them today.
So I'll tell you what I have here. I have
the Broncos now and at my top fourteen, which is
obviously fourteen teams to make it Carry, It's funny you
bring this up. I have him at ten, Yeah, I
have him at ten.
Speaker 4 (47:30):
Yeah I don't.
Speaker 5 (47:30):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
I don't see it, to be honest with you, without
Patrick's tan too along. Yeah, a couple more weeks.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
Oh really Yeah, he's got a pectorial strain that those
could be those I don't know if you've ever had
that carry that those things are lingering, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Yeah, Carry and I started the show talking about Kyler
Murray and you know we've we've talked for years. Carrie
was was never a huge fan.
Speaker 5 (47:50):
Well why these many are? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Why the sense of mixed messages though? Because we had
thought that Kyler Murray was about to play on Monday Night.
Now he's on an R for four weeks. Well, no,
there were there were there was, there was talk over
the weekend.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Yeah, it was wrong. Here's here's this is this is
my understanding. Let me just put it this way. This
is my understanding. He's got a midfoot sprain. It could
be he has a moderate midfoot sprain. As my understanding,
if he pushes too much, he could he could be
out for months. There was a like you could push
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it and play him, but he could also it was
too risky. And now he focuses on his future. And
by the way, his contract is really onerous. The structure.
Uh it Look, they could trade him, they could want
to trade him, but a you gotta find a team
that's gonna want him. He's a smaller quarterback at five
ten and those guys actually might not be five ten,
might be five to nine. This structure is poor. It
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has what are called advance guarantees. So if he's on
the roster in March of this year, the next year
cash it fully guaranteed. Like that's the way you get
around fully guarantee the whole contract. The agents do this now,
it's another way to get it done. It's the bad
contract for the Cardinals. I don't know what they're going
to do there. And John again, it's Dan, You're right.
The craziness of what he said this week. He's a
very mercurial guy, by the way. It's a good, good
(49:06):
dude from people have worked with him, players like him.
But he says some stuff every now and then where
you go, wait, wait a minute, what do you mean
by that? He just yeah, he's SE's weird stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I told carry.
Speaker 5 (49:14):
Then.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
I think what it does is it allows Jacoby Brissett
and I'll be the man, which honestly is a role
that he hasn't succeeded in. He's great coming in and
saving the day. Yeah, but when he's been a starter,
it's been added more pressure. Does this Does this allow
them to bring Kyler back at the end, so if
they want to part ways at the end of the season,
that there there isn't an injury situation for that. Could
(49:37):
that be in play here.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
M But the problem is if he plays poorly, he
always have to look at it that way. With the
smid footsprain, it's it's in the list FRONC injury areas.
I understand it. So it's yeah, it's it's not he
didn't tear it, but it's there's enough of a spray
in that it's it's a concern and you can't you
can't risk it. That you talking to pleasure. I've had it.
It's really bad. You know, it's an unnatural spray. We're
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the midfoot splits, so it's you gotta be careful of
that thing. So that look that they they play very hard.
They had it actually had a pretty good draft. Yea.
The Montioso for it's done a good job in terment
that the draft, but they're still not a very good
football team. It starts a quarterback. You guys are absolutely right.
Look their top to running backs are out. Connor won't
be back the season. Marvin Harrison, he's getting better lately.
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I have always been a disappointment. It's stunning to me.
Uh he was super loved by people in the draft.
Who who who? Who I trust and hasn't happened. And
defensively they're competitive, but they're just they've been stuck in
neutral three years. That's my term for it.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
I was just gonna say, Kerry and I went over
their schedule and we made an argument they could be
unbeaten as crazy as it sounds. As crazy as it sounds.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
They've got a lot of players back from injury.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
When you look at how they lost these games, yeah,
I know they were not a lot.
Speaker 5 (50:49):
Though they do that a lot. No, but but but look, okay, so,
but if you look at their scheduler coming up, I mean, honestly,
if you look at the rest of their schedule, Okay,
they got they got one. They got to beat the Bengals.
You know that Bengals. They're not competitive defensively, but Seattle
the Niners, the Jags, the Bucks, the Rams, the Texans
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defense the Rams again, Falcons, who are unachieving by the way,
they are really disappointing. I'm I'm surprised. My friend Rhee
Marson doing better. He's there's something missing with their offense.
They should be way. Their defense is good, their offense
is not.
Speaker 3 (51:24):
Adam, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a stab at myself
here since I threw since I threw Dan under the
bus with this deal Broncos, My team in the NFC
is underachievement as well.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
And I don't know who they are either, and that's
the Green Bay Packers, Like who are they? Yeah, I mean,
you know, offensively, they got weapons, they got back now.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
But yeah, what it is is how do I describe this?
So their defense is good, I mean, they don't have
an elite defense, but for some when Joe Barry got fired,
the thought around the club was they were too soft,
they were unachieving. They changed their scheme from thirty four,
which they'd ran for decades, to forty three under Jeff Hafley,
the former Boston College head coach who had coached in
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the league as an assistant for a while there. Look,
here's the thing. From a front seven talent level, it's
hard to find a team that's more talented, but they're
not real good at corner, like very beatable corner offensively. Now,
with a Tucker Craft injury, which is major, he had
an ACL he was having a phenomenal year. What's interesting
about that one, guys, is that Luke Musgrave was the starter.
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They were drafted and they were selecting the same draft
and Musgrave got hurt and he had an illness and
he never got a job back. And now Craft is
out and Musgrave gets his job back, and then look
everyone now and then Jordan Love done play well, but
he's had a good year. There. They're five to and one.
I did pick them the win division, but they're not
going to win the Super Bowl. Matt mcfore is not.
(52:48):
Here's the problem. Mattinfore has not been a good playoff
head coach. Yeah he's very conservative as a play caller. Yeah,
big balance guy. But what I did like against Pittsburgh
when Love went twenty for twenty to finish out the game.
When they beat Pittsburgh, they were behind and then Love
one off the fourth quarter, he did say we stayed
with a pass because it was just Jordan was so good.
Why run the ball. That's what Lafleur's got to do.
(53:09):
A curry to answer your question. If you want to
be great, take advantage of the talent. Now, Green Bay
has got a number of injuries at receiver. They've got
three guys are hurt. That's a problem for them as
they host the Eagles, and the Eagles have kind of
owned them in recent years.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
He goes in Monday Night Football. Will wrap up Week ten.
Week ten start tonight with the Raiders and Broncos. As
we talked about, so Adam Kaplan will be busy. Adam,
thanks so much. We'll talk to you next time. All right,
out it
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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