November 12, 2025 • 43 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug weighs in on the Giants' decision to start Jameis Winston over Russell Wilson this week and what that means for Wilson's career.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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doing all right. This is the longest running afternoon show
in America, and we do it right. We got good discussions.
There is not a hardcore lead today, right. You got
the collegewall playoff rankings. They came out. We'll talk about
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that with RJ Young later on this hour. There's continuing
fallout from the firing of Nico Harrison, gentle manager of
the Dallas Mavericks. Uh. There's a lot of NFL stories,
but none that rise to the level I think of
this one. And it's a great discussion to have and
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I have not I haven't told you guys about a
little part of the Hall of Fame discussion around Russell
Wilson that I found to be fascinating. I'm going to
share with you in a second. But the story of
the day. According to ESPN, the Giants are going to
start Jamis Winston at quarterback against the Packers on Sunday.
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That's interim head coach Mike Kafka announced today. He'll do
a great job. I have a lot of confidence in
Jamison and Jamis, and Kafka said, adding it was his
sole decision to turn to Winston as the starter. Now, Kafka,
this is his debut as an interim head coach. He
is the offensive coordinator. And it tells you a couple
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of things. Tells you a couple of things. One, and
I can tell you this from firsthand knowledge. Right when
you're coaching a team, like you want a guy who
this is like quarterbacks, like point guard, right, who has
the pulse of your team, who those guys respect and
is going to run the offense the way you want
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it run. If you're gonna go down as an intermad
coach and you don't get that many shots, at least
you're gonna do it your way, right, at least you're
gonna do it your way so we can sit here
and go, hey, maybe Russell Wilson dinner at interact with
him well enough. Maybe they're not boys, maybe Jamis and
all his personality. I don't know, but to me what
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it signifies, and I thought it signified it last year,
But now it becomes I think undoubtedly the case or
indoubtedly the case. Maybe buyer can tell me which it is.
Indoubtedly or undoubtedly the case. It may be both, it
may be neither. I'm not sure we're not gonna see
Russell Wilson as a starting quarterback anymore. I thought that
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the Steelers learned that lesson the hard way. I was wrong,
because the Giants apparently did not. Now. The Giants, I'm sure,
had every intention of handing it off to Jackson Dart
as soon as possible, but they handed off quicker than
they wanted to because Russell Wilson is so hard to coach,
so hard to play with, and his skills have deteriorated
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to the point where I don't see a place for
him now. The normal trajectory of a guy like Russell
Wilson would be either broadcaster, which is which is where
I think he goes backup quarterback, which I don't think
there's any logical possibility of it because mostly because of
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Russell Wilson and his ego, and that ego, in all honesty,
has been rightfully gained. But this is like the Allen Iverson.
I don't know any MVP who come off to binch.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Or.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
He just goes off into the sunset, hangs out with
his wife, his family, and we rarely hear from him again.
If I have to do ABC, A is the answer.
A is the answer. And then there's the additional discussion
of is he a Hall of Famer? Did he play
his way out of the Hall of Fame? And I
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always bring up the Kurt Warner thing where Kurt Warner
had four spectacular seasons, one good season and a lot
of nothing seasons. Bayern, did you know I don't think
I told you. Last time we discussed this, Kurt Warner
actually texted me like kind of a dissertation because it
got back to him that somebody said told him I
said he wasn't a Hall of Famer. It's not what
I said. I said he was the hardest Hall of
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Fame case because he when he started and played all
but one year, was in any conversation of a Hall
of Fame worthy? But how could he be a Hall
of Famer when there were five other seasons that really
didn't amount to much, some due to injury, some doing
to be a backup. So Kurt reached out to me,
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He's like he kind of listed off all the thing
things he did and all the things that went down.
I was like, I called him, like, Kurt, I love you,
You're great. I didn't actually say you were in a
Hall of Famer. I said it was a hard case.
And the same thing is true with Russell Wilson, but differently.
Where Russell Wilson the first seven eight years of his
career up until he got hurt his thumb with the Seahawks,
it'd be a hard press to find anybody who covers
the NFL who didn't think he was a Hall of Famer.
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Since then, you'd be a hard pressed to find anybody
who thinks he's a Hall of famer. Byer, you watched
almost every stap, if not every stap I've been playing
in Seattle. First part is do you agree with the
premise that it's the last we see of Russell Willis?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Like Jamis could get hurt, right and dart shot back.
I mean, but in terms of being named the starting quarterback,
I think that's.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It as a starter. Yes, yes, he I think there
could be a role where he does serve as a backup.
I don't know where, but I think that that still
could be a possibility.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I just don't know if his eagle lets him do that.
I just he hasn't shown himself to be that guy.
It takes us, It takes a grown up. It also
takes a guy who doesn't have anything else maybe going
and loves loves loves football. When I say anything else going,
it's like, look, I can make you know, four or
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five million dollars being a backup, never play where a
hat call him plays, get the start ready, or I
could go do something else. Most of the guys who
hang on doing that, they don't have these something else
that arises to the level of seven figure salary. Okay,
is the Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That's I would lean no right now, and I don't
think that there's anything that could could change it. I
felt that Russell Wilson got way more a respect for
the Seahawks' early victories and then maybe for what happened
later on down the line didn't get as much. There
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were a couple of seasons where he was their only
viable option. Brought up a point recently of the season
where he accounted for what was like every touchdown they scored,
except for one or two he either ran it or
threw it. It was just a crazy stat for how
involved he was. And this was the post Super Bowl appearances.
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But he didn't have to do a lot in the
first couple of years when they were making their runs,
when it was legion of boom, when there was Marshawn Lynch.
He was a great piece to help them get to
that point. But I don't think that's Hall of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
When he left Denver, do you think he was Hall.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Of Famer A no, because probably not at that point.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Do you think other people thought he was?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
All? Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I agree. See, I think you have a ton of balance,
Like you know, the real deal. You've watched it. You're like,
come on, like, what are we doing here? But Seattle
Seahawks fans and people who cover the Seahawks and watch
every step those aren't really the people who who vote
for the Hall of Fame. It's guys that cover football,
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general football fans and most of them thought unequivocally he
was a Hall of famer, a bit of a tough case,
but a Hall of famer. Then he leaves and you're like, well,
if you're a Hall of Famer, you got to give
me something, right, yes, right, And it's been turmoil with
the coaches and subpar play and whereas other now he
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did have the one game this year, they did lose
the one game this year, second start, where he was
in many ways Pete Russell Wilson throwing the football, but
he still had some classic mistakes which led to them
losing the game. That's the crazy part about it, right,
Whereas previously he wasn't a guy who would throw for
three hundred and fifty four hundred yards. He was just
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a guy that would not make mistakes and then run
around and make a play late in the game. That
was like his mo And it's weird for people like
myself to point out, hey, game two of the season,
that looked like Russell Wilson Bold, Like, actually, it didn't
look like Russell Wilson Bold. It's kind of the opposite
the high risk, high reward. That's not him. He was
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low risk reward late.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was funny in watching the career because if we
just piece it out comes in as a rookie, we
all know the story beats out Matt Flynn. They signed
as a free agent, and then the Seahawks go to
the Divisional playoffs and really could have gone to the
super Bowl, maybe won the super Bowl that year, but
they the Falcons ended up scoring late after the Seahawks
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took a late lead in a divisional playoff game against Atlanta.
But that was kind of like, Okay, this team is
here to stay. Won the super Bowl the next year,
then went to the Super Bowl and then the interception
at the goal line. That's like phase one. Then it
was the next couple of years where Doug, they just
weren't they weren't going to go back to the super Bowl.
You thought maybe they were, because.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
They they never got over it correct.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Correct, never got past it. Then at that point when
legion of boom kind of moves out. This is twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty, and the conversation that was brought up of
Brian Schottenheimer and Pete Carroll at odds with the offense
because Russ was cooking early on in that COVID season.
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Then turned the ball over a couple of times, had
a bad game against the Bills, and everything changed. But
when you asked me earlier, like, was he headed to
the Hall of Fame at this end of his time
in Seattle, Yeah, he was. The next year he suffers
that finger injury on a think a Thursday night game
where his finger was dislocated. We had heard all the
saw the videos of him warming up and taking reps,
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and they're like, all right, this is you know, what's
this all about? But when he actually came back, he
wasn't the same. He wasn't the same quarterback. And then
that ends up kind of being the the downfall and
goes to Denver after that. But in twenty twenty, the
first aff of twenty twenty, he was well on his
way to being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah. It is crazy how quickly those things change. Its
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio also should
be pointed out that Mike Kafka, like, I don't know
this to be a fact, but generally what happens. We
did wonder why Jamis wasn't selected as the starter. Instead
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it was Russell Wilson. Why Jamis didn't get opportunities when
Dark got hurt and staid it was Russell Wilson. And
I do think that today's announcement that Jamis is the
starter when Kafka takes over, tells you, tells you the
dynamic you had within that those offices, Right, Jamis was
Kafka's guy. Russell Wilson was probably Dables guy or Dabole
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told Russell Wilson, I can fix you. I can get
it either way that there was some sort of commitment there.
Russell wis in all honesty.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Huh yeah. I for how day Ball responded, and I
think that you're how you lay it out is correct.
But with the whole tenth thing on that Thursday night
I've just done. Not only was it like let's get
Jackson Dart back in the game, it's let's get Russell
Wilson out of the game. Yes, I'm curious on like
where that edict actually came from. I don't know if
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it was. I get what you're saying. I totally think
it plays out like that, but it's just weird and
because it doesn't seem like day Ball and Russell Wilson
would have personalities that would that would mesh.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No but no, but but maybe there was some much
James heres James Quinston after being name starter for the Giants,
do you want fans.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
To know about I'm want fans to know that I'm
gonna do my best. You know, obviously I'm going to
have fun, but I'm going to execute, have a surgical execution,
and just and just play ball, man, Like this is
something I've been doing since I've been four years old,
and I just get to.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Do it in the greatest city in the world.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm gonna be saying to what, my son, it's the
greatest city in the world. Yeah, that's a Hamleton reference.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
If y'all I don't know, uh hard not to like Jamis.
He is a little bizarre. But for whatever reason, you
got the bizarre with Jamis where it makes you smile.
You got the bizarre with Russell when you're just like,
I don't get it. I don't get it. Here's the
other thing with Russell Wilson. And this is not crap
on Russell Wilson day. Okay, but I have never ever
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ever seen a quarterback who's won a Super Bowl and
not have anybody who played with him come to his
defense and be like, no, No, No, he's awesome. Can you
think of that? Uh, Dan Bayer? Can you think of
anybody who just there's no one who's his boys who
play with him seaw like that's my dog, that's my
ride or die. I can't be Russell Wilson is the goat. No,
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I don't have that with him. No, it's a it's
a it's a weird dynamic.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
And you know what the funny thing is is, I
actually think that you had that in his short stint
at Wisconsin. And I don't know if it was fame
or or what it was, or if it was the
thing against Legion of Boom, but I felt like when
Russell Wilson entered the NFL and entered the draft like
he did, he was quite the story. In fact, there
was almost a little victimhood for how the NC State
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thing came out. And then look at how well he
played in the in the one season at Wisconsin and
leading them and having a great year, and and then yeah,
then it all changed.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
This is the best of the Doun Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Stut Gottleeb Show. We're here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
let's let's talk to NFL football Shaw we Adam Kaplan's
our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. He also goes to
the Inside the Birds podcast, Uh Adam going to play
for you? So this is a Nick Sirianni. He had
exchange with a reporter over the controversial fourth down and
(15:08):
sixth play call in the final of the game on Monday.
What's interesting is we're making a big deal of the
fourth and sixth, which I didn't understand why you just
don't just punt it exactly, but you go to the
previous possession and with two twenty six to go in
the fourth quarter on second down, they throw it instead
of running it and getting it to the two minute warning.
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Like I don't say, here's here's Nick Sirianni earlier today.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Can you swear this up though, because there's been a
couple of players who have indicated that that it was
a jail and aj communication that.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Led to that. I knew exactly what the play was
that we were calling and that was.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Run in that moment, so they didn't chat. I knew
exactly what the play was in that moment, what we
called and what was and what there is.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Uh okay, So cap, what's really work here? Well?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
All right, we'd have to go back to two years ago.
There was a game in Seattle was it was in
the midst of turmoil, late in the season. This is
after they had a coordinator change sewn to side. It
was a defense coordinator's reassigned and things were not good
in offense. The offense started collapsing and hurts and aj
Brown kind of went off script and it became a
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big deal in Philly. And by the way, this does
happen occasionally with NFL teams where they'll have a play
call and then there are options that they'll take without
letting Sometimes people know about it. It's kind of seems
that's what's happened here. Look, this is an odd game,
and I don't know if you saw the whole game
or you how were in Okay, Oh that's right, I'm sorry,
(16:37):
I saw your pictures. I'm sorry. All right, So it
was really odd. First of all, let me go back
you talk about Nick Sirianni. Okay, you know, I covered
thirty two teams for twenty seven years. I've seen a
lot of weird stuff before. But you have to question
the decision making in terms of going for it or
throwing it or running it. So you brought up that
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one play late in the game or two plays late
in the game. I'm gonna go back a little bit earlier.
Third and seven they have a five yard penalty, becomes
third and twelve. They run the football. You have a
zero zero game. What are you doing? Like? Why would
you run like? So he basically played the game close
to the vest, trying not to lose. Now, this guy's
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a super Bowl winning head coach, been the super Bowl
twice in four years, top five winning percentage in the
last thirty years on the road. I mean, the guy's
a really good head coach, but really coaching not to
throw the football. Not that your quarterback is making over
fifty million throw the football that's worth This is about
and AJ Brown's problems. Look, AJ Brown has been very vocal.
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He just did another just did another internet show where
someone asked him how he's doing and he said he's
doing fine with the family, but everything else is not.
You know, you could see the quotes are out there.
It's kind of a weird deal man, Philly is they
continue to win their seven and two they're technically the
number one seed in the NFC, but their offense, but
the passing game has been mostly atrocious.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
This season has been has been trusted. This is the
Doug outlet to show you. Listen to Fox Sports rader
Adam Kaplan's our guests. He's our Fox Sports Radio NFL Incenter.
First time I've heard people say, you know, Matt Lafleur
may be hot seat. Any reality to that.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Here's the deal. Matt Lafour is a phenomenal regular season coach.
He is not coach well in the playoffs. Okay, He's
a very conservative play caller. He believes in balance. Now,
I understand they had a couple of receivers hurt, but
when they've had a full deck, when we're talking about
a full group of receivers, maybe the deepest receiver Cord
in the National Football League. He wants to run the
football first, which if you've got a dynamic running back
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like Christian McCaffery, like Kyle Shannan does, when everybody's healthy
around him, you could start with a run game. And
Jordan Look, Jordan Love did not play well. There's no
question you were at that game. He didn't play well.
There there's no defending it. But he's married to running
the football. And Josh Jacobs is not having a great year,
and look the I I think I know that local
media is questioning because of it because the trade for
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Michael Parsons. They have to go far in the playoffs first,
so they have to make it and lately they have
not looked as good. I think it's a little bit premature,
but there's no situations to watch, Doug. I think that's
ones to watch Atlanta with Raheem Mars that they are
so talented an offense. Somehow they're three and six. That's
not what That's not expected, Tay. You got to keep
an eye on that situation. That's one of those are
(19:23):
a couple of situations. Look, we've alterated two firings. You
got to keep This is the way it works. When
expectations are not met, there are questions within the organization,
particularly football operations, in the and ownership and the team president.
They will get involved when you'd rather not. Then, of course,
what's going on with the Steelers. We didn't talk about
them yet. They've just crashed and burned big time at
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the Chargers. That was an embarrassing loss. I'm very interest
to see what happens here if they do not make
the playoffs. And by the way, they've not won a
playoff game since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, what do you think if they it's made the
playoffs or coaching change.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
No, I no, I wouldn't go that far. But offensively
they are atrocious. There's an other team that they were great.
They had one great game. They were phenomenal. Listen, Aaron
Rodgers is great against the Colts, terrible against the Chargers.
Very vanilla offense that will run the ball particularly well.
They don't have a number two receiver. That's more on
the front office. They had a very easy schedule. Now
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the Ravens all of a sudden at four and five,
they're trying to do what's been done four times in
the last thirty five years. Let's make the playoffs after
going starting one to five. I mean, it could happen.
And now the Ravens all of a sudden are breathing
down the Steelers Necks. You gotta watch. That's another one
to watch late in the season.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Here Stug Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Adam
Kaplan is our guest Ryan Dable. Why fire him now?
Speaker 6 (20:46):
They were going to fire him after the season and
it but it Doug. You have to list every reason,
first of all, not just the record at two and eight.
So many blown leads, embarrassing, this one against the Giants,
this game against the Bears, they had him dead to write,
you got to close. They've had a problem closing games out.
You could talk about all their injuries. That's fine. Yes,
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Jackson Dart had a concussion, but they had a big lead.
You can't choke it like they did. Their defense is
regressed by the way as well. That's that's really the
side of the ball that they're a little bit healthier,
but not that they're a healthy team at all. But
it's his behavior. It's violent and concussion protocol, it's his outbursts,
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the way he's overly emotional. I've talked to people work
with him over the years. He's he's hot and cold emotionally.
Guy's a good play caller. But here's what happened, and
the reality is at twenty twenty two, they shocked everyone
around the National Football League. They made the playoffs in
his first year. I remember talking to people with the
Giants then and look, they didn't expect to make the
playoffs their first year. In fact, they won a playoff
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Gay met Minnesota and then they completely folded since then,
and plus the drafts have been inconsistent from Joe Shane, who,
by the way, will keep his job at GM. He'll
run the coaching search. But Dave Ball, Look, I hate
to see someone deserve to get fired, but I call
that almost a mercy firing. That's a term that used
by clubs when you know it's obvious you're going to
fire the head coach. Why belabored it? And by the way,
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they really like Mike Kavka, who's doing a good job
with Jackson Dart. He's the offensive coordinator. Will still call
the plays.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. H yet
and jamis now the starting quarterback correct standard reason. We
won't see Russell Wilson again barring an injury this year.
But yeah, but his well, his career as the starters
over right.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Oh, it's it's been long over. I mean, look, they
made it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Hasn't been though. I thought it was over last year
that he starts for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
But here here's what happened, jamis, they made a decision
that Russell would be the stop gap for about four
to six weeks. It ended even before they thought it would.
Russell that great game against the Cowboys and then it
just imploded like it did last year with the Steelers
well down the stretch and they moved on and they've
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already seen enough for Russell Wilson. Jameis Winston. Look, the
thing is, he's younger, he's got a strong arm. He's
sometimes at bizarre quarterback because he's got enormous talent. But
make somebody bad mistakes, throw on the football, he will
throw it like he's The thing about Jamis that you
like is he's decisive. But Russell Wilson will run around
trying to make a play. That's not what coaches really like.
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The last time Russell Wilson, by the way, played well
was twenty twenty, where he's phenomenal for a half a season,
twenty eight passing touchdowns in eight games with Seattle.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports treader. That's
the voice of Adam Kaplan. Joe Burrow is back practicing. Yeah,
is he gonna play.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
No, he's not supposed to. He's come back severe turf too.
It's gonna They think it's gonna take a couple of weeks.
This is just the week to get him back into practice.
He's back. I mean he's went back well before they
first thought. I mean, I give him credit and the
rehab staff, but I give Joe Flacco credit. I mean,
the guy could still play. It's their defense though, for
the second straight year, is not competitive. It's for all
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the draft picks they spent, they still cannot play competitive football.
It's really embarrassing that if the Steelers can't win this game.
I mean, this would be the Aldom embarrassment. If you
can't be the Bendls at your own plays.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't think there's any question. Cap, You're the best man.
Thanks so much for joining us. For appreciate be our
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host of Inside the Birds. Uh, we'll get his thoughts
on the bizarre play calling from the Eagles head coach
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in frank of the Packers head coach. But really, the Eagles,
what were they doing down the stretch when it felt
like they had the game won and gave the Packers
ample opportun to come back and tie it or win it.
We'll talk to add Capall later on this hour. It
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We have a podcast which follows the show. It drops
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But before we get to that, let's get to the midway.
He's not getting.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
It's time for Stuck in the the Midway.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, there, Dan Buyer, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Jason, thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. Yeah,
a couple of options today. As I sent out the
group text. Earlier today, Aaron Glenn picks a fight with
the New York media again, and on the same day
that Micah Parsons sent a quote tweet at Colin how
heard with a couple f bombs. Tell me he doesn't
(26:04):
know what he's talking about. And I'm thinking, when the
athletes and coaches pick fights with the media, when does
it ever end? Well, examples of fights and maybe examples
of people being punished after the fact for their relationships
with the media. But then Iowa Sam brought a very
(26:24):
interesting topic to the forefront and it's Rich Rod on
a radio show saying this about his players.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
I don't want to be the uniform police, like if
their pants aren't pulled down enough. I don't want these
guys like some of you ever see this bothers me.
They there's not a towel they wear. They were like
a tail. It's not like you're keeping your hands dry
with the something that's like three inches and is long
and like it looks like a tail. I'm like, when
the hell we start putting tails on our guy. It's
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the same thing, like you know, watching games and teams
that they got mouthpieces, but they got glow. The dark mouthpieces.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But they ain't using them.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
It's just decoration design one not here.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
No, we don't do that. You got a mouthpiece you
put in your mouth. Got that's it. You don't put
no glow in the dark. It's the same way with shoes.
You ever watch shoes out. Basketball is different, but football,
you wear the shoes that we give you. You don't
go over to you know, get your own fancy shoes
and put some sparkles on it or whatever the hell
it is. And you know, pink shoes and whatever. A
shoe that we give Danny Neve that gives down, and
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that's the shoe you wear. It's called a uniform. So
we all are the same. You know, it's all the same.
You don't see the military when they go out to
do battle, one wearing green, one wearing white. You know,
they're all uniformed. Right, that's what we got to be.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I talked to the guy who work in the NFL.
He said, coach, it's crazy, we got guys. They'll find them.
They'll find them thousands of dollars. They'll find the coaches,
they'll find the equipment managers, they'll find the owners of
the team. Because they want everybody to look uniform as well.
So the NFL, you don't mess around with that. We
let these kids wear all kinds of like glow in
the dark mouthpieces and some kind of crap like that,
and it drives me crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You Rich, I'm with it. I didn't know what the
fans like it.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
I thought maybe the fans like I can't wait till
Johnny comes out there with a sparkling.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Blue grown a darkmouth piece.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
It makes me my favorite player, now, are you kidding me?
It's like they were these like the legans. Right, if
you had a leg injury and you had a niche
brain or something, and the trainer gives you a knee sleeve
to keep that knee a little mis understandable. But if
you're just wearing like one long legan on one leg
and nothing on the other, you're just trying to be
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Angel Reese. That's what I called. Are you Angel Reese?
You're trying to make a fashion statement. She could get
bye with it. Yeah, she's in w NBA. You're a
football player, are no?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
No, Angel Reese is here.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Since we're the only national radio show that as a
current head coach as the host, and we've all played sports.
I think this is a very relatable topic. Rich Rod
mirrors a lot of thoughts of people of a certain generation,
So I think maybe this is a better midway topic today.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I agree with yours.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I like Sammy's topic, Jason, I mean, Dan.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm game of it. I think there's a lot there.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I think that this is my question for you guys
before we get into the kind of just the generality
of this, I want to go micro first before we
go macro. Why why do players put fluorescent mouthpieces in
their top hole of their helmet? What function does that serve?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't know, Uh yeah, because you would think it
should be in their mouth. But they also some don't
want to have the strap on the face mask, so
when they cut the strap off, they need to put
the mouthguard somewhere where other guys would just have it
in their mouth or let it hang down on the strap.
If they don't want to keep it in their mouth,
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they put it in the top hole.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think what you're getting at, Dan is the mac
which is the promotion of individualism. A whole generation of
kids that have been told that be yourself on the field,
be yourself encouraged to be yourself, be an individual, and
that just doesn't quite jive with the overall nature of
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team sports. Being an individual clashing with the selflessness of
being on a team. I think that's the core of
what rich Rod is getting into. No, I think yes
he is. I don't think the mouthguard in your helmet
is I think some guys don't mind it hanging from
their face mask, and others don't, so they'll put it
on the top of their helmet. The issue that I
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have is that I think it's a huge tell if
you are or aren't putting your mouthguard in on certain plays,
like if you're a wide receiver, you could track how
many times you're putting your mouth guard in if it's
a pass play.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right. Oh, so you're.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Talking about the actual people that are using their mouthguard.
I'm talking about the kids that aren't not using their
mouth guard at all, that they put it at the
very top of their helmet, in the in the hole
at the top of the helmet. Yeah, just dangling for
forty minutes without actually using them.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I this this rant spoke to me because there is
so much apparel and equipment usage in all sports that
has just become impractical.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Like it is.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
It's just like the Asia Wilson Asia Wilson or Angel
Ree's leg sleeve. Like I get that there are, like
rich Rod said, there's certain compression sleeves to help with,
you know, pain mitigation, but there's just other times where
it's just done to just look different, stand out, And
I don't know, I guess I just aligned more like
the old school coach mentality. I just love this, and
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I love an old grumpy guy like rich Rod just
going on a rant like this.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
It just it sings. It sings to me. It sings
to me, So I just want to I want to
just point something out here. I'm watching a game on
NFL Network, a replay right now, the Bears Giants game
that they had on Sunday, and there is a player
on the Bears that is wearing a neon yellow mouthguard.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, so as I look, it's rookie Luther Burden, the
third yep. And on this play where his mouthguard is
hanging down neon yellow, they have a running play to
DeAndre Swift. So I the reason I'm pointing that out
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is I get some guys don't want something hanging onto
their face mask. So that's why when Jason talks about
the mouthguard being in the top of their helmet, I
don't think people are putting their mouthguard on the top
of their helmet to say, look at me, I've got antlers.
I'm a mouth guard guy. It's in the top. I
think it's actually detrimental to your team on what the
play is actually going to how it's going to happen.
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If we want to talk about Luther Burden wearing a
brighten knee on yellow mouth guard that I can see
that stands out and if I see that it's hanging down,
I think it's an absolute tell on what the team
may actually do in that situation.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, I understand Dan what you're getting at, and it
tells I'll just take the coach's perspective. And I was
a player, right. So it starts with the sneakers in basketball, right,
And no one wants to wear the team sneakers because
the team sneakers are generally they're not made for big guys,
they're not made for guards, they're just made for everybody, right,
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So they send you some sneakers that are generally sturdy
and solid, usually mid tops because they're not high, they're
not low, and just kind of in between. And so
the first thing is like you look on basketball teams like, well,
they all have the same sneaker on. Yeah, that feels
a little high school y, little cliche. I liked how
my coach would do it at Oklahomo State. Oh, any
Sutton would do it. You know, if you're a starter,
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you got more leeway. You got to order different shoes.
Start ours, you know, not me, but it's ours. Got
to get whatever kind of whatever nikes they wanted, and
he would take care of them and everybody else. You
gotta wear his team shoe. Where I draw the line is, uh,
you know some of it you just say, you just
tell my rules are you can't wear that. But where
I draw the line is they're going on a bus
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right now to go to Saint Thomas, and I become
that guy where hey, we're we're wearing we have really
comfortable all black sweats. That's what we're wearing on the bus,
and we're wearing you gotta wear you know you They
have a couple of bears of Adidas, either running shoes
or walk around shoes gotta be sneakers, because if not,
they end up with crocs, They end up with those
(34:40):
like Berking stock slides. They like those. Those are hideous
and it just doesn't look like a well run organization
in during the game, where whatever sneakers they want gotta be.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Adidas and Doug kind of to Dan's point. But on
the flip side, like sometimes in football and basketball, teams
will use they'll have a guy wear cer colors. They
can see him better, right, like they can track him
better on the court or on the on the on
the ground.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
No, that's not a thing in basketball. No, well, oh
your parents can track you better, your friends can track
you better.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
But no, there's I saw there was something in football
or basketball where maybe a guy wears a certain thing
just to kind of stand out at all.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Maybe follow That is absolutely the case, sure, okay, maybe more,
maybe more in football, and I know that the individuals.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wait what do you mean, it's absolutely the case.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I think that you wear outrageous shoes in football so
that people can identify you.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, yes, you're just watching a game in a sports bar.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And oh, Davante because he always wears the uh, you know, yellow.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Shoes I think I do think a lot of almost
everybody does that.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Well, do you think that the team's actually utilize that?
To be your time, guys here he was.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Talking about the teams utilizing it, Jason.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Not like if you're wearing bright green Neon shoes and
you're a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I don't know like it. Maybe it helps you find
you can find the guy a little least year. I
don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I thought that that was something that they utilized, a
little subtle, little technique.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
No volleyball has the girl with the or they have
the different jersey on.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
What's that position called the setter? Is that for for volleyball?
Is that what you're talking about? And forget her?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'll look it up. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, I was just going to say, I think, like
a lot of our listeners, my athletic career ended in
high school. But I do remember playing basketball in high
school and looking for shoes that matched our uniforms. Right, yeah, Hey,
well I didn't. I didn't have to. I just could
drive down to East Bay and get my shoes. Fortunate enough,
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twenty minutes away. But you'll be hey, you'll be taking
the bus through wasa where East BA began point being,
the point was to match my uniform. Now you look
in the NBA and to Jason, to your guys point
about the NFL, you know, Yannis has got his own shoe.
(37:07):
So with the dark green Bucks uniforms, there's Yanis wearing
bright orange shoes, you know, or neon shoes, and that
is so different from what I remember guys wearing different shoes.
But Jordan, like the original Jordan's were red, black and white,
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right like the Bulls. It worked and matched with the team,
and now it's completely different. He started it and then more,
but back then it was it matched with their.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
But at least he did something to stand out even
more that did. Actually the league didn't like right like
they wanted it to be more uniform. They were like,
you can't have these colors on these shoes.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, that's not what d I was talking about. Well,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
I'm just saying though that Michael Jordan started wearing shoes
that were differentiating.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
But they were like, what do you mean, No, no, no,
what let's move on for.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Red and red and black. You're you're complating a different story.
That isn't actually what he's talking about.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
No, I'm saying the colors match the team's uniform, but
he decided to go in a different direction with shoes
style anyway.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
You know who, I love Cooper Flag. You want don't
know why he's bringing the regular shoes. No, he's bringing
the normal white T shirt underneath the jersey. Back.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
We have one like that too. I tried that once
or twice.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
That's all I wanted to do in high school. I
tried to wear more clothes. Our shorts were short, our
tank tops were too tight, they didn't fit. Yes, nowadays
these basketball teams look like track teams with some of
their outfits and shorts. I and Cooper Flag's like, you
know what, I'm just gonna wear a full blown, crappy
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old white tea underneath my jersey. And that's all I
wanted to do. In high school. We weren't allowed, was
not a part of the team. Everybody had to look
the same except the shoes. But you couldn't wear a
white You couldn't wear remember that, You couldn't wear the compression.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Shorts correct the tight shirts underneath.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
No, you couldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, that's that's obviously a lot that's changed. Uh. Lebron
used to cover up the tattoos. Because in high school
you couldn't wear couldn't have tattoos in Ohio. That's why
you had the stickers covering the tattoos. Or some people
were shorts covering the tattoos. A lot of things have changed,
rules have become more lenient. I'll just tell you what
I do. Guys. Is I again you no, no, no jewelry. Okay,
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you can wear any undershirt long as they let you wear.
It's got to match your the main color of the jersey.
I don't. I don't get in the dude's hair. I
just tell them, hey, when we play these games are
on TVs. Probably clean up your neck, you know, only okay,
slop we when we when we go to the arena,
come back from the arena, go to the gym. Back
from the gym, we're wearing all the same GB gear
and we're wearing a DTA sneakers, no crocs, no sandals,
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no nothing else. And other than that, like just you know,
don't over control them. So there's a magic pix there.
But again, I played on every different team with every
different style. Some or you have to wear the uniform shoes.
Some you don't care but you do you look you
can look like a prison team when everybody's got something
different on.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
The crazy thing is that like the rich rod opinion
will be held against them. Okay, so next year one
of this player transfers to wherever and he'll be like, man,
that guy wouldn't even let us do blame so and so,
like it's going to be used as a pejorative like
it's it's the entire paradigm is shifted to where like
individualism needs to be promoted and you need to cater
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to the kids or it's going to be used against you.
Remember when uh, Freddie Freeman left the Braves obviously, and
then Ronald Acunya came out with those comments like dude,
you know we can never like screw off and then
walk a room or play our music because of Freddie Freeman,
and it was used as like a like half the
league was like, man, that sucks. What an old uh,
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what an old curmudgeon Freeman must be? And I was thinking,
you mean he was holding you to a certain standard
of professionalism. That's a negative thing. Again, the paradigm has shift,
has shifted it completely.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
And I just add one more thing, Coach Prime, you
know he has got the bravado. He wants his guys
to play with bravada. But then he also has rules
for like he can't wear slides the class, you know,
have the hood down in class.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
So I like that that balance he has.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He's like, Yeah, here's the other problem. Those guys nobody
goes to class at high major schools.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Well if they do, get is that?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I listen, I agree with that, But I'm just telling
you at Colorado, my guess is of his eighty five
scholarship players whatever, like eighty of them never step foot
on campus for a class. That is for show Sam.
Okay for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I'm just saying what he was saying over the summer. Yeah,
I got rules. He's got a certain rules I do.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I do, and I believe in those as well. But
I also believe you'd be over the top. The other
part to it, though, is Jay stew Is, you'd be
amazed at how some players they appreciate discipline. Like, again,
they don't want it darkonian, they don't want it over
the top. But like my argument to him is all,
like we have brand new, really cool, comfortable with d
(42:18):
this stuff. You're gonna wear a Parkert Why not wear
our parkut you're gonna wear sweats. Wear our sweats. By
the way, it's free. You guys are all cheap. Take
the free stuff. Wear it. It's not that hard. And
that is the midway. The midway. It SNU Gotlieb Show
on Fox Sports. So so wait, Sam, what were you
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trying to say about Michael Jordan wearing different kind of shoes?
Speaker 8 (42:43):
Okay, just to clarify, because you guys all left me
dangling out there. Michael Jordan was the guy in the
eighties who started wearing colors on his shoes period.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
And then there are.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Colors on their shoes, but the Nike made shoes that
he thought were ugly, right, So he I'm just saying
that were red.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
And yeah, he was the pioneer's start doing something different.
I'm not talking about he wore like a random color
out on the court. He did wear his team's colors,
but he wore shoes that actually had like colors on him.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Compare well, Magic and Larry had their Converse.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Converse weapons that were team colors.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Wasn't most of the NBA using Converse at the time,
And then.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That wasn't what differentiated it was that.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
There was Yeah, I was just trying to say that black.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
There was black on the on the soul, even though
it didn't come off on the court. At the time,
it was illegal to have a black soul of a sneaker, right.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
That's what I was trying to say, is that Mike Magic.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
And the most Celtics wearing those black and white converse weapons,
Magic was wearing the yellow and Laker blue weapons. Like again,
I am a as much as Dan as a sneaker
head as a uniform uniform head, I am a sneakerhead.
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There is not a hardcore lead today, right. You got
the collegewall playoff rankings. They came out. We'll talk about
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that with RJ Young later on this hour. There's continuing
fallout from the firing of Nico Harrison, gentle manager of
the Dallas Mavericks. Uh. There's a lot of NFL stories,
but none that rise to the level I think of
this one. And it's a great discussion to have and
(01:10):
I have not I haven't told you guys about a
little part of the Hall of Fame discussion around Russell
Wilson that I found to be fascinating. I'm going to
share with you in a second. But the story of
the day. According to ESPN, the Giants are going to
start Jamis Winston at quarterback against the Packers on Sunday.
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That's interim head coach Mike Kafka announced today. He'll do
a great job. I have a lot of confidence in
Jamison and Jamis, and Kafka said, adding it was his
sole decision to turn to Winston as the starter. Now, Kafka,
this is his debut as an interim head coach. He
is the offensive coordinator. And it tells you a couple
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of things. Tells you a couple of things. One, and
I can tell you this from firsthand knowledge. Right when
you're coaching a team, like you want a guy who
this is like quarterbacks, like point guard, right, who has
the pulse of your team, who those guys respect and
is going to run the offense the way you want
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it run. If you're gonna go down as an intermad
coach and you don't get that many shots, at least
you're gonna do it your way, right, at least you're
gonna do it your way so we can sit here
and go, hey, maybe Russell Wilson dinner at interact with
him well enough. Maybe they're not boys, maybe Jamis and
all his personality. I don't know, but to me what
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it signifies, and I thought it signified it last year,
But now it becomes I think undoubtedly the case or
indoubtedly the case. Maybe buyer can tell me which it is.
Indoubtedly or undoubtedly the case. It may be both, it
may be neither. I'm not sure we're not gonna see
Russell Wilson as a starting quarterback anymore. I thought that
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the Steelers learned that lesson the hard way. I was wrong,
because the Giants apparently did not. Now. The Giants, I'm sure,
had every intention of handing it off to Jackson Dart
as soon as possible, but they handed off quicker than
they wanted to because Russell Wilson is so hard to coach,
so hard to play with, and his skills have deteriorated
(03:22):
to the point where I don't see a place for
him now. The normal trajectory of a guy like Russell
Wilson would be either broadcaster, which is which is where
I think he goes backup quarterback, which I don't think
there's any logical possibility of it because mostly because of
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Russell Wilson and his ego, and that ego, in all honesty,
has been rightfully gained. But this is like the Allen Iverson.
I don't know any MVP who come off to binch.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Or.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
He just goes off into the sunset, hangs out with
his wife, his family, and we rarely hear from him again.
If I have to do ABC, A is the answer.
A is the answer. And then there's the additional discussion
of is he a Hall of Famer? Did he play
his way out of the Hall of Fame? And I
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always bring up the Kurt Warner thing where Kurt Warner
had four spectacular seasons, one good season and a lot
of nothing seasons. Bayern, did you know I don't think
I told you. Last time we discussed this, Kurt Warner
actually texted me like kind of a dissertation because it
got back to him that somebody said told him I
said he wasn't a Hall of Famer. It's not what
I said. I said he was the hardest Hall of
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Fame case because he when he started and played all
but one year, was in any conversation of a Hall
of Fame worthy? But how could he be a Hall
of Famer when there were five other seasons that really
didn't amount to much, some due to injury, some doing
to be a backup. So Kurt reached out to me,
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He's like he kind of listed off all the thing
things he did and all the things that went down.
I was like, I called him, like, Kurt, I love you,
You're great. I didn't actually say you were in a
Hall of Famer. I said it was a hard case.
And the same thing is true with Russell Wilson, but differently.
Where Russell Wilson the first seven eight years of his
career up until he got hurt his thumb with the Seahawks,
it'd be a hard press to find anybody who covers
the NFL who didn't think he was a Hall of Famer.
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Since then, you'd be a hard pressed to find anybody
who thinks he's a Hall of famer. Byer, you watched
almost every stap, if not every stap I've been playing
in Seattle. First part is do you agree with the
premise that it's the last we see of Russell Willis?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Now?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Like Jamis could get hurt, right and dart shot back.
I mean, but in terms of being named the starting quarterback,
I think that's.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
It as a starter. Yes, yes, he I think there
could be a role where he does serve as a backup.
I don't know where, but I think that that still
could be a possibility.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I just don't know if his eagle lets him do that.
I just he hasn't shown himself to be that guy.
It takes us, It takes a grown up. It also
takes a guy who doesn't have anything else maybe going
and loves loves loves football. When I say anything else going,
it's like, look, I can make you know, four or
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five million dollars being a backup, never play where a
hat call him plays, get the start ready, or I
could go do something else. Most of the guys who
hang on doing that, they don't have these something else
that arises to the level of seven figure salary. Okay,
is the Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
That's I would lean no right now, and I don't
think that there's anything that could could change it. I
felt that Russell Wilson got way more a respect for
the Seahawks' early victories and then maybe for what happened
later on down the line didn't get as much. There
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were a couple of seasons where he was their only
viable option. Brought up a point recently of the season
where he accounted for what was like every touchdown they scored,
except for one or two he either ran it or
threw it. It was just a crazy stat for how
involved he was. And this was the post Super Bowl appearances.
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But he didn't have to do a lot in the
first couple of years when they were making their runs,
when it was legion of boom, when there was Marshawn Lynch.
He was a great piece to help them get to
that point. But I don't think that's Hall of Fame worthy.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
When he left Denver, do you think he was Hall.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Of Famer A no, because probably not at that point.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Do you think other people thought he was?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
All? Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I agree. See, I think you have a ton of balance,
Like you know, the real deal. You've watched it. You're like,
come on, like, what are we doing here? But Seattle
Seahawks fans and people who cover the Seahawks and watch
every step those aren't really the people who who vote
for the Hall of Fame. It's guys that cover football,
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general football fans and most of them thought unequivocally he
was a Hall of famer, a bit of a tough case,
but a Hall of famer. Then he leaves and you're like, well,
if you're a Hall of Famer, you got to give
me something, right, yes, right, And it's been turmoil with
the coaches and subpar play and whereas other now he
(08:38):
did have the one game this year, they did lose
the one game this year, second start, where he was
in many ways Pete Russell Wilson throwing the football, but
he still had some classic mistakes which led to them
losing the game. That's the crazy part about it, right,
Whereas previously he wasn't a guy who would throw for
three hundred and fifty four hundred yards. He was just
(08:58):
a guy that would not make mistakes and then run
around and make a play late in the game. That
was like his mo And it's weird for people like
myself to point out, hey, game two of the season,
that looked like Russell Wilson Bold, Like, actually, it didn't
look like Russell Wilson Bold. It's kind of the opposite
the high risk, high reward. That's not him. He was
(09:18):
low risk reward late.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
It was funny in watching the career because if we
just piece it out comes in as a rookie, we
all know the story beats out Matt Flynn. They signed
as a free agent, and then the Seahawks go to
the Divisional playoffs and really could have gone to the
super Bowl, maybe won the super Bowl that year, but
they the Falcons ended up scoring late after the Seahawks
(09:44):
took a late lead in a divisional playoff game against Atlanta.
But that was kind of like, Okay, this team is
here to stay. Won the super Bowl the next year,
then went to the Super Bowl and then the interception
at the goal line. That's like phase one. Then it
was the next couple of years where Doug, they just
weren't they weren't going to go back to the super Bowl.
You thought maybe they were, because.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
They they never got over it correct.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Correct, never got past it. Then at that point when
legion of boom kind of moves out. This is twenty nineteen,
twenty twenty, and the conversation that was brought up of
Brian Schottenheimer and Pete Carroll at odds with the offense
because Russ was cooking early on in that COVID season.
(10:28):
Then turned the ball over a couple of times, had
a bad game against the Bills, and everything changed. But
when you asked me earlier, like, was he headed to
the Hall of Fame at this end of his time
in Seattle, Yeah, he was. The next year he suffers
that finger injury on a think a Thursday night game
where his finger was dislocated. We had heard all the
saw the videos of him warming up and taking reps,
(10:49):
and they're like, all right, this is you know, what's
this all about? But when he actually came back, he
wasn't the same. He wasn't the same quarterback. And then
that ends up kind of being the the downfall and
goes to Denver after that. But in twenty twenty, the
first aff of twenty twenty, he was well on his
way to being a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah. It is crazy how quickly those things change. Its
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio also should
be pointed out that Mike Kafka, like, I don't know
this to be a fact, but generally what happens. We
did wonder why Jamis wasn't selected as the starter. Instead
(11:31):
it was Russell Wilson. Why Jamis didn't get opportunities when
Dark got hurt and staid it was Russell Wilson. And
I do think that today's announcement that Jamis is the
starter when Kafka takes over, tells you, tells you the
dynamic you had within that those offices, Right, Jamis was
Kafka's guy. Russell Wilson was probably Dables guy or Dabole
(11:54):
told Russell Wilson, I can fix you. I can get
it either way that there was some sort of commitment there.
Russell wis in all honesty.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Huh yeah. I for how day Ball responded, and I
think that you're how you lay it out is correct.
But with the whole tenth thing on that Thursday night
I've just done. Not only was it like let's get
Jackson Dart back in the game, it's let's get Russell
Wilson out of the game. Yes, I'm curious on like
where that edict actually came from. I don't know if
(12:26):
it was. I get what you're saying. I totally think
it plays out like that, but it's just weird and
because it doesn't seem like day Ball and Russell Wilson
would have personalities that would that would mesh.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
No but no, but but maybe there was some much
James heres James Quinston after being name starter for the Giants,
do you want fans.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
To know about I'm want fans to know that I'm
gonna do my best. You know, obviously I'm going to
have fun, but I'm going to execute, have a surgical execution,
and just and just play ball, man, Like this is
something I've been doing since I've been four years old,
and I just get to.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Do it in the greatest city in the world.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm gonna be saying to what, my son, it's the
greatest city in the world. Yeah, that's a Hamleton reference.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
If y'all I don't know, uh hard not to like Jamis.
He is a little bizarre. But for whatever reason, you
got the bizarre with Jamis where it makes you smile.
You got the bizarre with Russell when you're just like,
I don't get it. I don't get it. Here's the
other thing with Russell Wilson. And this is not crap
on Russell Wilson day. Okay, but I have never ever
(13:34):
ever seen a quarterback who's won a Super Bowl and
not have anybody who played with him come to his
defense and be like, no, No, No, he's awesome. Can you
think of that? Uh, Dan Bayer? Can you think of
anybody who just there's no one who's his boys who
play with him seaw like that's my dog, that's my
ride or die. I can't be Russell Wilson is the goat. No,
(13:57):
I don't have that with him. No, it's a it's
a it's a weird dynamic.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
And you know what the funny thing is is, I
actually think that you had that in his short stint
at Wisconsin. And I don't know if it was fame
or or what it was, or if it was the
thing against Legion of Boom, but I felt like when
Russell Wilson entered the NFL and entered the draft like
he did, he was quite the story. In fact, there
was almost a little victimhood for how the NC State
(14:25):
thing came out. And then look at how well he
played in the in the one season at Wisconsin and
leading them and having a great year, and and then yeah,
then it all changed.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
This is the best of the Doun Dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Stut Gottleeb Show. We're here on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
let's let's talk to NFL football Shaw we Adam Kaplan's
our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider. He also goes to
the Inside the Birds podcast, Uh Adam going to play
for you? So this is a Nick Sirianni. He had
exchange with a reporter over the controversial fourth down and
(15:08):
sixth play call in the final of the game on Monday.
What's interesting is we're making a big deal of the
fourth and sixth, which I didn't understand why you just
don't just punt it exactly, but you go to the
previous possession and with two twenty six to go in
the fourth quarter on second down, they throw it instead
of running it and getting it to the two minute warning.
(15:29):
Like I don't say, here's here's Nick Sirianni earlier today.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Can you swear this up though, because there's been a
couple of players who have indicated that that it was
a jail and aj communication that.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Led to that. I knew exactly what the play was
that we were calling and that was.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Run in that moment, so they didn't chat. I knew
exactly what the play was in that moment, what we
called and what was and what there is.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Uh okay, So cap, what's really work here? Well?
Speaker 6 (15:54):
All right, we'd have to go back to two years ago.
There was a game in Seattle was it was in
the midst of turmoil, late in the season. This is
after they had a coordinator change sewn to side. It
was a defense coordinator's reassigned and things were not good
in offense. The offense started collapsing and hurts and aj
Brown kind of went off script and it became a
(16:14):
big deal in Philly. And by the way, this does
happen occasionally with NFL teams where they'll have a play
call and then there are options that they'll take without
letting Sometimes people know about it. It's kind of seems
that's what's happened here. Look, this is an odd game,
and I don't know if you saw the whole game
or you how were in Okay, Oh that's right, I'm sorry,
(16:37):
I saw your pictures. I'm sorry. All right, So it
was really odd. First of all, let me go back
you talk about Nick Sirianni. Okay, you know, I covered
thirty two teams for twenty seven years. I've seen a
lot of weird stuff before. But you have to question
the decision making in terms of going for it or
throwing it or running it. So you brought up that
(16:57):
one play late in the game or two plays late
in the game. I'm gonna go back a little bit earlier.
Third and seven they have a five yard penalty, becomes
third and twelve. They run the football. You have a
zero zero game. What are you doing? Like? Why would
you run like? So he basically played the game close
to the vest, trying not to lose. Now, this guy's
(17:18):
a super Bowl winning head coach, been the super Bowl
twice in four years, top five winning percentage in the
last thirty years on the road. I mean, the guy's
a really good head coach, but really coaching not to
throw the football. Not that your quarterback is making over
fifty million throw the football that's worth This is about
and AJ Brown's problems. Look, AJ Brown has been very vocal.
(17:38):
He just did another just did another internet show where
someone asked him how he's doing and he said he's
doing fine with the family, but everything else is not.
You know, you could see the quotes are out there.
It's kind of a weird deal man, Philly is they
continue to win their seven and two they're technically the
number one seed in the NFC, but their offense, but
the passing game has been mostly atrocious.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
This season has been has been trusted. This is the
Doug outlet to show you. Listen to Fox Sports rader
Adam Kaplan's our guests. He's our Fox Sports Radio NFL Incenter.
First time I've heard people say, you know, Matt Lafleur
may be hot seat. Any reality to that.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Here's the deal. Matt Lafour is a phenomenal regular season coach.
He is not coach well in the playoffs. Okay, He's
a very conservative play caller. He believes in balance. Now,
I understand they had a couple of receivers hurt, but
when they've had a full deck, when we're talking about
a full group of receivers, maybe the deepest receiver Cord
in the National Football League. He wants to run the
football first, which if you've got a dynamic running back
(18:37):
like Christian McCaffery, like Kyle Shannan does, when everybody's healthy
around him, you could start with a run game. And
Jordan Look, Jordan Love did not play well. There's no
question you were at that game. He didn't play well.
There there's no defending it. But he's married to running
the football. And Josh Jacobs is not having a great year,
and look the I I think I know that local
media is questioning because of it because the trade for
(19:00):
Michael Parsons. They have to go far in the playoffs first,
so they have to make it and lately they have
not looked as good. I think it's a little bit premature,
but there's no situations to watch, Doug. I think that's
ones to watch Atlanta with Raheem Mars that they are
so talented an offense. Somehow they're three and six. That's
not what That's not expected, Tay. You got to keep
an eye on that situation. That's one of those are
(19:23):
a couple of situations. Look, we've alterated two firings. You
got to keep This is the way it works. When
expectations are not met, there are questions within the organization,
particularly football operations, in the and ownership and the team president.
They will get involved when you'd rather not. Then, of course,
what's going on with the Steelers. We didn't talk about
them yet. They've just crashed and burned big time at
(19:44):
the Chargers. That was an embarrassing loss. I'm very interest
to see what happens here if they do not make
the playoffs. And by the way, they've not won a
playoff game since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Yeah, what do you think if they it's made the
playoffs or coaching change.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
No, I no, I wouldn't go that far. But offensively
they are atrocious. There's an other team that they were great.
They had one great game. They were phenomenal. Listen, Aaron
Rodgers is great against the Colts, terrible against the Chargers.
Very vanilla offense that will run the ball particularly well.
They don't have a number two receiver. That's more on
the front office. They had a very easy schedule. Now
(20:18):
the Ravens all of a sudden at four and five,
they're trying to do what's been done four times in
the last thirty five years. Let's make the playoffs after
going starting one to five. I mean, it could happen.
And now the Ravens all of a sudden are breathing
down the Steelers Necks. You gotta watch. That's another one
to watch late in the season.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Here Stug Gottlieb Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Adam
Kaplan is our guest Ryan Dable. Why fire him now?
Speaker 6 (20:46):
They were going to fire him after the season and
it but it Doug. You have to list every reason,
first of all, not just the record at two and eight.
So many blown leads, embarrassing, this one against the Giants,
this game against the Bears, they had him dead to write,
you got to close. They've had a problem closing games out.
You could talk about all their injuries. That's fine. Yes,
(21:08):
Jackson Dart had a concussion, but they had a big lead.
You can't choke it like they did. Their defense is
regressed by the way as well. That's that's really the
side of the ball that they're a little bit healthier,
but not that they're a healthy team at all. But
it's his behavior. It's violent and concussion protocol, it's his outbursts,
(21:29):
the way he's overly emotional. I've talked to people work
with him over the years. He's he's hot and cold emotionally.
Guy's a good play caller. But here's what happened, and
the reality is at twenty twenty two, they shocked everyone
around the National Football League. They made the playoffs in
his first year. I remember talking to people with the
Giants then and look, they didn't expect to make the
playoffs their first year. In fact, they won a playoff
(21:50):
Gay met Minnesota and then they completely folded since then,
and plus the drafts have been inconsistent from Joe Shane, who,
by the way, will keep his job at GM. He'll
run the coaching search. But Dave Ball, Look, I hate
to see someone deserve to get fired, but I call
that almost a mercy firing. That's a term that used
by clubs when you know it's obvious you're going to
fire the head coach. Why belabored it? And by the way,
(22:11):
they really like Mike Kavka, who's doing a good job
with Jackson Dart. He's the offensive coordinator. Will still call
the plays.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. H yet
and jamis now the starting quarterback correct standard reason. We
won't see Russell Wilson again barring an injury this year.
But yeah, but his well, his career as the starters
over right.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
Oh, it's it's been long over. I mean, look, they
made it.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Hasn't been though. I thought it was over last year
that he starts for the Giants.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
But here here's what happened, jamis, they made a decision
that Russell would be the stop gap for about four
to six weeks. It ended even before they thought it would.
Russell that great game against the Cowboys and then it
just imploded like it did last year with the Steelers
well down the stretch and they moved on and they've
(23:00):
already seen enough for Russell Wilson. Jameis Winston. Look, the
thing is, he's younger, he's got a strong arm. He's
sometimes at bizarre quarterback because he's got enormous talent. But
make somebody bad mistakes, throw on the football, he will
throw it like he's The thing about Jamis that you
like is he's decisive. But Russell Wilson will run around
trying to make a play. That's not what coaches really like.
(23:21):
The last time Russell Wilson, by the way, played well
was twenty twenty, where he's phenomenal for a half a season,
twenty eight passing touchdowns in eight games with Seattle.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports treader. That's
the voice of Adam Kaplan. Joe Burrow is back practicing. Yeah,
is he gonna play.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
No, he's not supposed to. He's come back severe turf too.
It's gonna They think it's gonna take a couple of weeks.
This is just the week to get him back into practice.
He's back. I mean he's went back well before they
first thought. I mean, I give him credit and the
rehab staff, but I give Joe Flacco credit. I mean,
the guy could still play. It's their defense though, for
the second straight year, is not competitive. It's for all
(24:01):
the draft picks they spent, they still cannot play competitive football.
It's really embarrassing that if the Steelers can't win this game.
I mean, this would be the Aldom embarrassment. If you
can't be the Bendls at your own plays.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I don't think there's any question. Cap, You're the best man.
Thanks so much for joining us. For appreciate be our
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How you doing? Welcome in h Hope you're having a
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host of Inside the Birds. Uh, we'll get his thoughts
on the bizarre play calling from the Eagles head coach
(24:53):
in frank of the Packers head coach. But really, the Eagles,
what were they doing down the stretch when it felt
like they had the game won and gave the Packers
ample opportun to come back and tie it or win it.
We'll talk to add Capall later on this hour. It
is a Wednesday, that's a hum day. That's the middle
of the day. That's the middle of the week. And
you know what, it's actually the middle of our show.
We have a podcast which follows the show. It drops
(25:14):
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But before we get to that, let's get to the midway.
He's not getting.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
It's time for Stuck in the the Midway.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Okay, there, Dan Buyer, Jason Stewart.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Jason, thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. Yeah,
a couple of options today. As I sent out the
group text. Earlier today, Aaron Glenn picks a fight with
the New York media again, and on the same day
that Micah Parsons sent a quote tweet at Colin how
heard with a couple f bombs. Tell me he doesn't
(26:04):
know what he's talking about. And I'm thinking, when the
athletes and coaches pick fights with the media, when does
it ever end? Well, examples of fights and maybe examples
of people being punished after the fact for their relationships
with the media. But then Iowa Sam brought a very
(26:24):
interesting topic to the forefront and it's Rich Rod on
a radio show saying this about his players.
Speaker 7 (26:34):
I don't want to be the uniform police, like if
their pants aren't pulled down enough. I don't want these
guys like some of you ever see this bothers me.
They there's not a towel they wear. They were like
a tail. It's not like you're keeping your hands dry
with the something that's like three inches and is long
and like it looks like a tail. I'm like, when
the hell we start putting tails on our guy. It's
(26:54):
the same thing, like you know, watching games and teams
that they got mouthpieces, but they got glow. The dark mouthpieces.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But they ain't using them.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
It's just decoration design one not here.
Speaker 7 (27:05):
No, we don't do that. You got a mouthpiece you
put in your mouth. Got that's it. You don't put
no glow in the dark. It's the same way with shoes.
You ever watch shoes out. Basketball is different, but football,
you wear the shoes that we give you. You don't
go over to you know, get your own fancy shoes
and put some sparkles on it or whatever the hell
it is. And you know, pink shoes and whatever. A
shoe that we give Danny Neve that gives down, and
(27:28):
that's the shoe you wear. It's called a uniform. So
we all are the same. You know, it's all the same.
You don't see the military when they go out to
do battle, one wearing green, one wearing white. You know,
they're all uniformed. Right, that's what we got to be.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (27:40):
I talked to the guy who work in the NFL.
He said, coach, it's crazy, we got guys. They'll find them.
They'll find them thousands of dollars. They'll find the coaches,
they'll find the equipment managers, they'll find the owners of
the team. Because they want everybody to look uniform as well.
So the NFL, you don't mess around with that. We
let these kids wear all kinds of like glow in
the dark mouthpieces and some kind of crap like that,
and it drives me crazy.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
You Rich, I'm with it. I didn't know what the
fans like it.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
I thought maybe the fans like I can't wait till
Johnny comes out there with a sparkling.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Blue grown a darkmouth piece.
Speaker 7 (28:09):
It makes me my favorite player, now, are you kidding me?
It's like they were these like the legans. Right, if
you had a leg injury and you had a niche
brain or something, and the trainer gives you a knee sleeve
to keep that knee a little mis understandable. But if
you're just wearing like one long legan on one leg
and nothing on the other, you're just trying to be
(28:31):
Angel Reese. That's what I called. Are you Angel Reese?
You're trying to make a fashion statement. She could get
bye with it. Yeah, she's in w NBA. You're a
football player, are no?
Speaker 2 (28:44):
No?
Speaker 7 (28:45):
No, Angel Reese is here.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Since we're the only national radio show that as a
current head coach as the host, and we've all played sports.
I think this is a very relatable topic. Rich Rod
mirrors a lot of thoughts of people of a certain generation,
So I think maybe this is a better midway topic today.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
I agree with yours.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I like Sammy's topic, Jason, I mean, Dan.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm game of it. I think there's a lot there.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I think that this is my question for you guys
before we get into the kind of just the generality
of this, I want to go micro first before we
go macro. Why why do players put fluorescent mouthpieces in
their top hole of their helmet? What function does that serve?
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I don't know, Uh yeah, because you would think it
should be in their mouth. But they also some don't
want to have the strap on the face mask, so
when they cut the strap off, they need to put
the mouthguard somewhere where other guys would just have it
in their mouth or let it hang down on the strap.
If they don't want to keep it in their mouth,
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they put it in the top hole.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think what you're getting at, Dan is the mac
which is the promotion of individualism. A whole generation of
kids that have been told that be yourself on the field,
be yourself encouraged to be yourself, be an individual, and
that just doesn't quite jive with the overall nature of
(30:19):
team sports. Being an individual clashing with the selflessness of
being on a team. I think that's the core of
what rich Rod is getting into. No, I think yes
he is. I don't think the mouthguard in your helmet
is I think some guys don't mind it hanging from
their face mask, and others don't, so they'll put it
on the top of their helmet. The issue that I
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have is that I think it's a huge tell if
you are or aren't putting your mouthguard in on certain plays,
like if you're a wide receiver, you could track how
many times you're putting your mouth guard in if it's
a pass play.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right. Oh, so you're.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Talking about the actual people that are using their mouthguard.
I'm talking about the kids that aren't not using their
mouth guard at all, that they put it at the
very top of their helmet, in the in the hole
at the top of the helmet. Yeah, just dangling for
forty minutes without actually using them.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I this this rant spoke to me because there is
so much apparel and equipment usage in all sports that
has just become impractical.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Like it is.
Speaker 8 (31:26):
It's just like the Asia Wilson Asia Wilson or Angel
Ree's leg sleeve. Like I get that there are, like
rich Rod said, there's certain compression sleeves to help with,
you know, pain mitigation, but there's just other times where
it's just done to just look different, stand out, And
I don't know, I guess I just aligned more like
the old school coach mentality. I just love this, and
(31:46):
I love an old grumpy guy like rich Rod just
going on a rant like this.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
It just it sings. It sings to me. It sings
to me, So I just want to I want to
just point something out here. I'm watching a game on
NFL Network, a replay right now, the Bears Giants game
that they had on Sunday, and there is a player
on the Bears that is wearing a neon yellow mouthguard.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Okay, so as I look, it's rookie Luther Burden, the
third yep. And on this play where his mouthguard is
hanging down neon yellow, they have a running play to
DeAndre Swift. So I the reason I'm pointing that out
(32:35):
is I get some guys don't want something hanging onto
their face mask. So that's why when Jason talks about
the mouthguard being in the top of their helmet, I
don't think people are putting their mouthguard on the top
of their helmet to say, look at me, I've got antlers.
I'm a mouth guard guy. It's in the top. I
think it's actually detrimental to your team on what the
play is actually going to how it's going to happen.
(32:56):
If we want to talk about Luther Burden wearing a
brighten knee on yellow mouth guard that I can see
that stands out and if I see that it's hanging down,
I think it's an absolute tell on what the team
may actually do in that situation.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, I understand Dan what you're getting at, and it
tells I'll just take the coach's perspective. And I was
a player, right. So it starts with the sneakers in basketball, right,
And no one wants to wear the team sneakers because
the team sneakers are generally they're not made for big guys,
they're not made for guards, they're just made for everybody, right,
(33:35):
So they send you some sneakers that are generally sturdy
and solid, usually mid tops because they're not high, they're
not low, and just kind of in between. And so
the first thing is like you look on basketball teams like, well,
they all have the same sneaker on. Yeah, that feels
a little high school y, little cliche. I liked how
my coach would do it at Oklahomo State. Oh, any
Sutton would do it. You know, if you're a starter,
(33:56):
you got more leeway. You got to order different shoes.
Start ours, you know, not me, but it's ours. Got
to get whatever kind of whatever nikes they wanted, and
he would take care of them and everybody else. You
gotta wear his team shoe. Where I draw the line is, uh,
you know some of it you just say, you just
tell my rules are you can't wear that. But where
I draw the line is they're going on a bus
(34:18):
right now to go to Saint Thomas, and I become
that guy where hey, we're we're wearing we have really
comfortable all black sweats. That's what we're wearing on the bus,
and we're wearing you gotta wear you know you They
have a couple of bears of Adidas, either running shoes
or walk around shoes gotta be sneakers, because if not,
they end up with crocs, They end up with those
(34:40):
like Berking stock slides. They like those. Those are hideous
and it just doesn't look like a well run organization
in during the game, where whatever sneakers they want gotta be.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
Adidas and Doug kind of to Dan's point. But on
the flip side, like sometimes in football and basketball, teams
will use they'll have a guy wear cer colors. They
can see him better, right, like they can track him
better on the court or on the on the on
the ground.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
No, that's not a thing in basketball. No, well, oh
your parents can track you better, your friends can track
you better.
Speaker 8 (35:12):
But no, there's I saw there was something in football
or basketball where maybe a guy wears a certain thing
just to kind of stand out at all.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Maybe follow That is absolutely the case, sure, okay, maybe more,
maybe more in football, and I know that the individuals.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Wait what do you mean, it's absolutely the case.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
I think that you wear outrageous shoes in football so
that people can identify you.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yeah, yes, you're just watching a game in a sports bar.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And oh, Davante because he always wears the uh, you know, yellow.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Shoes I think I do think a lot of almost
everybody does that.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Well, do you think that the team's actually utilize that?
To be your time, guys here he was.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Talking about the teams utilizing it, Jason.
Speaker 8 (35:51):
Not like if you're wearing bright green Neon shoes and
you're a wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I don't know like it. Maybe it helps you find
you can find the guy a little least year. I
don't know.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I thought that that was something that they utilized, a
little subtle, little technique.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
No volleyball has the girl with the or they have
the different jersey on.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
What's that position called the setter? Is that for for volleyball?
Is that what you're talking about? And forget her?
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I'll look it up. Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, I was just going to say, I think, like
a lot of our listeners, my athletic career ended in
high school. But I do remember playing basketball in high
school and looking for shoes that matched our uniforms. Right, yeah, Hey,
well I didn't. I didn't have to. I just could
drive down to East Bay and get my shoes. Fortunate enough,
(36:44):
twenty minutes away. But you'll be hey, you'll be taking
the bus through wasa where East BA began point being,
the point was to match my uniform. Now you look
in the NBA and to Jason, to your guys point
about the NFL, you know, Yannis has got his own shoe.
(37:07):
So with the dark green Bucks uniforms, there's Yanis wearing
bright orange shoes, you know, or neon shoes, and that
is so different from what I remember guys wearing different shoes.
But Jordan, like the original Jordan's were red, black and white,
(37:27):
right like the Bulls. It worked and matched with the team,
and now it's completely different. He started it and then more,
but back then it was it matched with their.
Speaker 8 (37:39):
But at least he did something to stand out even
more that did. Actually the league didn't like right like
they wanted it to be more uniform. They were like,
you can't have these colors on these shoes.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
No, that's not what d I was talking about. Well,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 8 (37:52):
I'm just saying though that Michael Jordan started wearing shoes
that were differentiating.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
But they were like, what do you mean, No, no, no,
what let's move on for.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Red and red and black. You're you're complating a different story.
That isn't actually what he's talking about.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
No, I'm saying the colors match the team's uniform, but
he decided to go in a different direction with shoes
style anyway.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
You know who, I love Cooper Flag. You want don't
know why he's bringing the regular shoes. No, he's bringing
the normal white T shirt underneath the jersey. Back.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
We have one like that too. I tried that once
or twice.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
That's all I wanted to do in high school. I
tried to wear more clothes. Our shorts were short, our
tank tops were too tight, they didn't fit. Yes, nowadays
these basketball teams look like track teams with some of
their outfits and shorts. I and Cooper Flag's like, you
know what, I'm just gonna wear a full blown, crappy
(38:54):
old white tea underneath my jersey. And that's all I
wanted to do. In high school. We weren't allowed, was
not a part of the team. Everybody had to look
the same except the shoes. But you couldn't wear a
white You couldn't wear remember that, You couldn't wear the compression.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Shorts correct the tight shirts underneath.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
No, you couldn't do that.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, that's that's obviously a lot that's changed. Uh. Lebron
used to cover up the tattoos. Because in high school
you couldn't wear couldn't have tattoos in Ohio. That's why
you had the stickers covering the tattoos. Or some people
were shorts covering the tattoos. A lot of things have changed,
rules have become more lenient. I'll just tell you what
I do. Guys. Is I again you no, no, no jewelry. Okay,
(39:35):
you can wear any undershirt long as they let you wear.
It's got to match your the main color of the jersey.
I don't. I don't get in the dude's hair. I
just tell them, hey, when we play these games are
on TVs. Probably clean up your neck, you know, only okay,
slop we when we when we go to the arena,
come back from the arena, go to the gym. Back
from the gym, we're wearing all the same GB gear
and we're wearing a DTA sneakers, no crocs, no sandals,
(39:58):
no nothing else. And other than that, like just you know,
don't over control them. So there's a magic pix there.
But again, I played on every different team with every
different style. Some or you have to wear the uniform shoes.
Some you don't care but you do you look you
can look like a prison team when everybody's got something
different on.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
The crazy thing is that like the rich rod opinion
will be held against them. Okay, so next year one
of this player transfers to wherever and he'll be like, man,
that guy wouldn't even let us do blame so and so,
like it's going to be used as a pejorative like
it's it's the entire paradigm is shifted to where like
individualism needs to be promoted and you need to cater
(40:40):
to the kids or it's going to be used against you.
Remember when uh, Freddie Freeman left the Braves obviously, and
then Ronald Acunya came out with those comments like dude,
you know we can never like screw off and then
walk a room or play our music because of Freddie Freeman,
and it was used as like a like half the
league was like, man, that sucks. What an old uh,
(41:01):
what an old curmudgeon Freeman must be? And I was thinking,
you mean he was holding you to a certain standard
of professionalism. That's a negative thing. Again, the paradigm has shift,
has shifted it completely.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
And I just add one more thing, Coach Prime, you
know he has got the bravado. He wants his guys
to play with bravada. But then he also has rules
for like he can't wear slides the class, you know,
have the hood down in class.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
So I like that that balance he has.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
He's like, Yeah, here's the other problem. Those guys nobody
goes to class at high major schools.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Well if they do, get is that?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I listen, I agree with that, But I'm just telling
you at Colorado, my guess is of his eighty five
scholarship players whatever, like eighty of them never step foot
on campus for a class. That is for show Sam.
Okay for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
I'm just saying what he was saying over the summer. Yeah,
I got rules. He's got a certain rules I do.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
I do, and I believe in those as well. But
I also believe you'd be over the top. The other
part to it, though, is Jay stew Is, you'd be
amazed at how some players they appreciate discipline. Like, again,
they don't want it darkonian, they don't want it over
the top. But like my argument to him is all,
like we have brand new, really cool, comfortable with d
(42:18):
this stuff. You're gonna wear a Parkert Why not wear
our parkut you're gonna wear sweats. Wear our sweats. By
the way, it's free. You guys are all cheap. Take
the free stuff. Wear it. It's not that hard. And
that is the midway. The midway. It SNU Gotlieb Show
on Fox Sports. So so wait, Sam, what were you
(42:41):
trying to say about Michael Jordan wearing different kind of shoes?
Speaker 8 (42:43):
Okay, just to clarify, because you guys all left me
dangling out there. Michael Jordan was the guy in the
eighties who started wearing colors on his shoes period.
Speaker 6 (42:51):
And then there are.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
Colors on their shoes, but the Nike made shoes that
he thought were ugly, right, So he I'm just saying
that were red.
Speaker 8 (42:59):
And yeah, he was the pioneer's start doing something different.
I'm not talking about he wore like a random color
out on the court. He did wear his team's colors,
but he wore shoes that actually had like colors on him.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Compare well, Magic and Larry had their Converse.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
Converse weapons that were team colors.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Wasn't most of the NBA using Converse at the time,
And then.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
That wasn't what differentiated it was that.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
There was Yeah, I was just trying to say that black.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
There was black on the on the soul, even though
it didn't come off on the court. At the time,
it was illegal to have a black soul of a sneaker, right.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
That's what I was trying to say, is that Mike Magic.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
And the most Celtics wearing those black and white converse weapons,
Magic was wearing the yellow and Laker blue weapons. Like again,
I am a as much as Dan as a sneaker
head as a uniform uniform head, I am a sneakerhead.
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