November 26, 2025 • 51 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to comments made by Bengals' quarterback Joe Burrow as he is facing questions about why he is going to play when the team is out of the playoffs.
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew deliver a special Thanksgiving edition.
Doug weighs in on the Shedeur Sanders situation this week as Doug doesn't think he handled a recent question about his head coach very well. Doug welcomes former NFL player and current FSR analyst Rich Ohrnberger onto the show to talk about Shedeur, the Thanksgiving games and all of the headlines around the NFL.
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The Crown is yours. Welcome. Welcome in, Jay Stu. You'll
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love this so as you guys know. And I popped
on the show yesterday from the airport. We were in St.
Thomas and the Virgin Islands for the last week with
my basketball team, and it was I mean when I
say the weather was perfect, this is a from somebody
who grew up in southern California. It was perfect, warm
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but not too hot. It's like eighty five every day,
A little bit human but not no bugs, No, not
like perfect. And we're supposed to get like fifty five
mile in our wins this afternoon still may happen here
in Green Bay. We're supposed to get just like a
dusting and I'm looking at like five or six inches
of snow when it was supposed to be like an
inch of snow. I was on an island like yesterday,
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and we're digging out the snow today. But such is life.
Welcome to the Gottlieb Show. Good to be back, Good
to be with you. Let's talk some sports, shall we.
I heard something from Joe Burrow and it's really interesting,
Like Joe Burrow today is going to be healed hailed
as a hero, right, I mean, just like like you
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go through the heroes of our lifetime in sports, and
Joe Burrow's going to be listed a month those guys
because well, this is what he said. What he was
asked about. Are the argument being made the Bengals should
not play him tomorrow or the rest of the season
(02:12):
because they're out of the playoffs. Here's what Joe Burrow
had to say.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I understand why people feel that way, but if you
look at it from my perspective, I'm a football player,
and if I get hurt, I'm going to go through
the rehab process, and then I'm gonna let everybody know
when I feel like I can go out there and play.
I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,
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I'm healthy, But no, I don't think. I don't think
I should go out there and play. That doesn't make
a lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live
my life and play this game scared of something happening.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, And the idea is that we're somehow making it
heroic for Joe Burrow to do his job, which is
becase quarterback of the Bengals. And what he's saying is like,
I'm a football player. I play football. When there's a
football game, it makes total sense. And here's the I
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don't know if it's a catch twenty two or jaxtaposition. Chase,
do you're you can parse my words as as much
as you'd like and tell me what you think. But
on one hand, and Jason, I think you like to
poke fun at gen Z rightfully so for how they
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have become just an entitled generation of people. But if
you think about it, the people who are asking Joe Burrow,
why are you playing the games don't mean anything because
you got a one percent chance of making the playoffs.
Those are the same people who are critical of modern
day athletes for being soft, or for only playing when
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they want to play, or for load management. Like, on
one hand, our generation, right Gen X, was the one
that came up with load management. Our generation is the
one that said, hey, let's be smart, don't play a
guy when he does need it, because all he can
do is get hurt. And yet our generation is the
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same one that's like, hey, those guys are soft. They
don't play every game like previous generations and our generation did.
It's it's it's kind of a fascinating social experiment here.
And yeah, I mean, I there's lots of things you
learn the more you're around sports. First thing you learned
I think people are learning, especially this is not everybody
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plays football loves football, but Joe Burrow does.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Everybody that that that uh plays sports understands that the
job of sport is not just to play when you
want to play or when it's good for the team
to play, but at all times. And again it's our generation,
the older generation that kills that let me give you
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a college football example. Right, we are and I have
been harshly critical of players sitting out of bowl games
in the past, or sitting out of games you know,
red There's there's a movement. There's been a movement of
guys four games in the year red shirting and saying
refusing to play because things weren't what they thought. And
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if you do have the ability to red shirt, even
if you play four games in college football, it's easy
to be critical of those guys and say, what are
you doing. You sign up to play for a school.
You play for the school. If they want to play
you one snap or one Hunter snaps, you play. That's
what you do. And now you're getting compensated to play.
That's what you do. On the other hand, it's our
generation which came up with these rules. It's our generation
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which is firing coaches three, four or five games in
the season, which essentially cancels the season and says we
have no hope and says we're looking to move on anyway.
So do I think that Joe Burrow is a heroic figure?
Not about heroic, but it's the kind of message that
when you say it, how can you not be a
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Joe Burrow fan. On the other hand, isn't he simply
doing his job. It's like the old Chris Rock bit
on guys saying, like I take care of my kids,
you're supposed to take care of your kids. Yeah, that's
what you're supposed to do. It's the same thing as
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a quarterback. Why are we celebrating a guy for playing
quarterback on a three and eight team when he's making
a ton of money to be the quarterback. Whether they're
three and eight or eight and three, it shouldn't matter.
And the root cause of the problem is not gen Z,
it's gen X. We came up with all these ideas
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and we've come up with the decision to fire coaches
early on the season and essentially cancel their season. We
came up with load management, so we No, we shouldn't
be surprised when players dive into that, but we also
should feel super weird and self conscious about guys saying, Hey,
I think it's weird to even celebrate the fact that
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I'm playing football.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Go ahead, Jason, it's an interesting You're right, it's an
interesting human experiment. It's an interesting social experiment. And I'll explain.
So I'm guessing in our talk space, there is an
overlap between the people that have been against load management
for years and the same people probably this week being
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like the Bengals are idiots for playing Joe Burrow. Yes,
they want they want their cake and they want to
eat it too. Now it's an interesting social experiment. And
you know me, I don't. I don't do this lightly.
I don't go here often, but I will say this,
how much how much does race play into this? How
much of the load management is black guys not work
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who make a lot of money? And this week don't
play Joe Burrow? Why would you play Joe Burrow? The
white quarterback? But how wout do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It hadn't come to my mind at all.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I do think, I do think it strikes me this week.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh I well, I don't. I don't know on on Burrow.
I mean, part of Burrow's thing is he has been
hurt a lot, right, he has been hurt a lot.
So it's it's more than just like, well he's never
been hurt like he'd been hurt a lot, or it
feels that way. I do think that there are other
instances NBA players probably catch the most flack for it
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that there's always going to be a group of people that,
you know, you have, the racial bias of a black
guy not going to play in a game is somehow
a bigger deal than a white guy not playing a game.
My issue with that is I have a blind spot
to it because it just does and it's not I
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would never think about it. But the more you say it,
the more you go, yeah, Okay, I don't know if
it's there with football, because I think that people believe
that football players ultimately everybody gets hurt when it's not
really the case. It's not really the case. It's like
Tom Brady played twenty years, Yeah, the urs ACL Yeah,
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but that's literally like the only injury he ever had.
It's kind of crazy, and he was a statue back there, statue.
But it is a tremendous social experiment.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And you bring up the that the fact that there
we always think that all these people when they get
to the professional level are in it to win it, like, yes,
their only goal is to win at all costs, especially
in team sports. And remember Cam Newton said this about
six weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Remember, would you rather being a spot where you can
individual achieve have success, have statistics and lose, or would
you want to be someone that contributes to a team
that can win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And I'm glad you asked that. When you're talking about
individual play, this is how I this is how I
take care of my family. Team success don't take care
of my family. So if I'm thinking about it from
a personal standpoint, of course, we want the best of
both worlds. But if you're asking me what gives you extinsions,
what gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,
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there are some more players that have rings, championships and
things that are struggling rather than quote unquote bus that
has had money and they're doing right by their money.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's just it's such a bad narrative.
I do think there are people that believe that. I
just don't think they're the brightest people in the world.
But yeah, that's that's what some people do believe, and
it gives credence to what you're saying.
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let's get to the Midway. He's not getting It's time for.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Along with Isaac, Isaac Locron, Ryan Smiths on on the
ones and twos, and of course the great Jason Stewart
is producing Jase two. What's the topic of the Midway?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Thank you, I'll take it from here. I sent this
to the group text today I want to do. I
want to be one of the only shows in the
country today that are doing Thanksgiving esque topics, none of
intentionally ironic or cheesy. I want to be the one
show that's going to take a holiday and then mix
(12:42):
it into our sports content in a very witty way.
I want you guys to think about three things each
of you. I need. I need a short answer with
a short explanation. We can go one by one. Okay,
First of all, who is the biggest turkey in sports
right now? That I want you to think about that. Second,
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who is the best side dish in sports right now? Now?
You could take that as any way you want. Do
you want to take side dish as in a great
Batman to a Robin or Robin to Batman, or do
you want to take it like Cardi b to Stefan Diggs,
like the woman that's having one of his four babies
this year? In the third third topic, what sports team
(13:29):
puts you to sleep the fastest?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
What's in the turkey? Bobby? What makes people sleepy?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Okay, so those three items and I will start so
you guys can think about it. My answer to who
is the biggest turkey in sports right now. I'm gonna
say it's a tie between one of two people, but
I don't want to sam up the category, so I'm
gonna pick one. Ja Morant Jahn Morant called Klay Tom's
(14:00):
in a bum over the weekend and his latest miss
out from the bench doug he was not suited. He
called Clay Thompson, a surefire Hall of Famer top seventy
five player, a bum, and Klay Thompson went off on
him on one of the most measured, smart articulate cut
(14:22):
downs in the history of sports, basically called him an
unserious person. He lacks depth, has no imagination. So Jah
Morant right now is my biggest turkey in sports, the
best side dish in sports right now. And I really
liked my CARDI b answer. I thought that was funny.
(14:43):
But my biggest my best side dish in sports right now.
And this is going to be very controversial. I think
a lot of people are going to be pissed off
at this one. But Austin Reeves to Luka Doncic, Austin
Reeves is my best side dish. You see what I
did right there?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I thought you did.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
You saw what I did right there? Yep, I didn't.
I didn't include one person. So that's my controversial pick.
And then what's the sports team right now that makes
you sleep the fastest?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What's in the turkey? Bobby? What makes people sleepy?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think the most forgettable team in sports right now
the Siberia of all sports. And I just realize I'm
going to all MBA on this one is the Washington Wizards.
You never hear anything about the Washington Wizards. I don't
know who's on the team. I couldn't tell you one
person on the team. I'm sure they got a really
(15:41):
good free agent this past year. I have no idea
who's on the Washington Wizards formerly the Bullets. I hope
they go back to the Bullets. So that's my three answers, gentlemen,
Turkey and sports. John Moran side dish is Austin Reeves.
Very controversial. And then the team that makes me sleep
the fast justice right now is the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
What's in the turkey?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I'm gonna give you the floor, Gottlieb. Who's your biggest
turkey in sports right now?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Ryan Clark? Ryan Clark, I mean, I mean he's apologized
three times so far this year, maybe four. Ryan Clark's
talented analyst, but you know, in his in his effort
to right wrongs from I guess from his life, for
his career, he's just said and done a lot of
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things which have irritated a lot of people. But in sports,
Ryan Clark is. Ryan Clark's my guy, and I do
have a a co favorite for that would be Stephen A.
Smith again with the you know, first he wanted to
be a journalist. Now he doesn't, you know, But Ryan Clark,
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to me, is is the biggest turkey in sports. The
best side dish in sports is booka coua. Oh I'm
gonna go pook in a coua, And my logic behind
it is Matt Stafford is the main course. Matt Stafford
has thirty touchdowns, two interceptions, is on his way to
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winning the NFL's MVP at thirty seven years old, and
DeVante Adams rightfully so because of the touchdown receptions gets
a ton of the attentions. So I don't even think
he is what's the biggest side dish. I don't even
know if he's like stuffing booka a coua is almost
like cranberry sauce. Or sweet potatoes or sweet potato cast
(17:40):
role because it's like you don't you think of Thanksgiving,
You think of the turkey. Maybe you think of the
mashed potatoes. But poog in a coua is amazing eighty
catches through ten games with eleven point eight yards reception,
and like you think, obviously Devanta Adams, you think of
a Hall of Famer, Matt Safford's gonna be a Hall
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of Famer and MVP. But putin Akua is Here's here's
what I love is star wide receiver who still goes
over the middle. He'll get the five yard catch, take
a couple of hits, and then get out and go
do it again. He's not simply trying to get touchdowns.
He's moving the sticks as well. Putin cou is my uh?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And then great choice choice?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
What was the last one?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
What's sports team right now? Makes sure the fastest?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Uh? Oh, there's a bunch of Bobby what makes people sleepy?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The Las Vegas Raiders out, well, they just no offense.
But they've got no offense. And you know, it's one
of those things where we fall in love with the
story but we don't actually see, like, look it was
a great story that Gino Smith grew up. Gina Smith
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was immature. Gino Smith is the second round pick to
make it with the Jets. Gina Smith became a guy
who everybody likes respects. But he topped out a couple
of years ago during that kind of comeback year with
the Seattle Seahawks, right, he had thirty touchdowns, eleven interceptions,
then twenty and nine. Then last year he went very
good and this year he's med at best. I mean, honestly,
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he's not even mediocre. Thirteen touchdowns, thirteen interceptions. It's not
that their team is great, but they drafted first round
draft pick running back, and they have the Rookie of
the Year last year and brought powers and they're just eh.
But the Raiders are. It's a tough watch. There's my answer.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Two choices. Two of your answers are right. And Ryan
Smith's face as he's running the board today, he loves
Ryan Clark and he loves the Raiders. So you guys
are officially rivals in this midway. I just want to
remind listeners, I'm hoping when we are the only show
in the country right now now doing a would he
take incorporating a holiday into sports content. That's what we
(20:07):
do here, Isaac Glow and Crown, You're up next. Who
is the biggest turkey in sports? Right now?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Very annoyed by gut Later No, No, I'm just kidding.
It's not you, Doug all right. I would actually like
to preemptively invite feedback and or pushback from the contingent
here as I reeled these off, controversially my biggest turkey
in sports Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Now here's what.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Here's a guy who I thought had been completely humbled
by what happened with him with the Raiders in USC
and even to an extent Alabama, begins to rebuild his
head coaching career at Florida Atlantic, humbles himself, goes there,
then goes to Ole Miss. Great and because of that,
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I would think he would be happy and satisfied where
he is, particularly with what they're doing now. But either way, however,
this weekends, I think he's a turkey because if he goes,
I think he's a turkey, because oh the grass is
always greener on the other side of the pasture, he
leaves Ole Miss in the lurch, and if he stays,
which on one hand, I would respect Why would you
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put ole Miss through all this uncertainty? You know, we've
seen We saw it with Chip Kelly, we saw it
with Brian Kelly. We see all these hot shots and
boosters are falling all over themselves with gazillions of dollars
to lure these people, and wow, it just doesn't work out.
So I felt for a guy who was humbled and
it has already been through the worst of coaching. He's
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just doing the same stuff that he was doing twenty
years ago.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
So I don't know if you check on that. I
want dugs take on that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Brian Kelly.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
No, no, no, for all the reasons Isaac just pointed out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So I I, loo, why do you think that? Why
does he have to decide right.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Now because his team's in national championship contender? And I
just don't understand.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because you want him to.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
I'm sorry, because you want him to.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
No, I don't have.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
A dog in the fight here, But it just seems
to me that in college football, the grass is always
always greener on the other side of the pasture.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, link the other side. Let me give you
the other side. Yeah, second, you have a bad second
you have a bad year, they fire you and they
want to buy you out for fifty million dollars. Fair point,
fair point. It's like why these guys have these huge
buyos whatever, because the second they lose a couple of games,
you say, hey, we're oh, you're You're I'm all about you.
I do think if he was staying, he would have
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said him staying right. On the other hand, on the
other hand, there is the power of negotiation, which just like, hey,
because look, you only stay if they're going to put
you at the top level of the SEC can find
out I want everything they got in nil money. And
I'm sure he's also waiting on the NFL.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Oh, I hadn't even thought about that.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
You mean, like the New York Giants even Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
What giants and Tennessee Giants have his quarterback. Tennessee's right
down the road. So he's a man with options. He
doesn't have to decide now. The only ones that are
pushing the narrative of deciding now are the schools that
jobs are open. That's the reality of it. It's the
absolute reality of it. And that's those jobs problem. You know,
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had they not fired their coaches already, we wouldn't have
sped up this process. You don't have to decide now.
Wait if they play Mississippi State, you know, they get
in the College Wall playoff, Like, I don't think he
has to decide now, even though I think he's probably
decided at some point long ago.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
All right, best sidekickslash side. Yes, I'm gonna go from
the Dallas Cowboys, Brandon Aubrey.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
In the whole.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You know, kickers come from the side, you know. All right,
So this season alone, this cat he hits a sixty
four yard field goal to force an overtime against the Giants,
and hits the game winning field goal in overtime. He
hits another sixty plus or later in the year, game
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winning field goal against the Eagles. I mean, this guy
is you know you mentioned the stock rising for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know, he's.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Another reason why. I mean, you know, you just kind
of have to get it over midfield with this cat,
and you're already you know, especially indoors in field goal range.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And finally, I think it's interesting by the way that
Isaac has somehow channeled like the Beatnick generation of the sixties.
He called Aubrey a cat twice. I don't think any
one calls men cats anymore. So well done, go ahead, Yeah,
I need the team that makes you fall asleep the fastest.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
By the way, just just just refer to me as
the Jack Kerouac of the New Millennium, if you will.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
On the road.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Very good, He refers to Marty Glickman in there by
the way, all right now onto references that the rest
of our audience will understand.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
All right.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
I'm also going to go to the NBA, which is
kind of an indictment on Adam Silver that it's not
the first team but the Atlanta Hawks. I mean, I'm
not saying this to be a sarcastic jerk, even though
I am one. But can you guys tell me since
the days of Dominique Wilkins when the Atlanta Hawks have
ever been a nationally relevant team? Not necessarily in terms
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of success, because they've had successful teams, but have they
ever been captivating enough to talk about? Like I literally
had to look up what their record is this year,
and they're actually having a decent season. They're eleven and eight.
They're in sixth place in the Eastern Conference right now.
But I cannot remember literally when.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
They went to the Eastern Conference finals. But still but no,
I got it. Yeah, here's right, No, no, I got it.
I agree with you. I do have a take that
maybe today's not the day for but it's you know,
the the Mavericks fired their gentle manager for trading away
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a beloved superstar, right, and the Hawks fired Landry Fields
because he didn't in many ways, because he didn't trade
away their beloved superstar in Trey Young. Like Trey Young's
crazy popular in Atlanta, but you can't win it. You
can't win big with Trey Young as your best player.
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And thus they could enter they didn't trade him, everybody
lost their jobs.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Right, and and and even before that, I mean, I literally,
I'm like I said, I'm not trying to be sarcastic,
but I don't remember since the days of Dominique Wilkins
when they have been a captivating national teams or story. Yeah,
you're absolutely right, they're and they're not a minor market team.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
We've been waiting a good ten minutes for Ryan Smith
to come up with his response to Doug picking Ryan
Clark and the Raiders in his choice. So so Ryan
Smith got my popcorn, Matty. That's great. The biggest turkey
in sports right now?
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Well, this is only for selfish reasons. My biggest turkey
is Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Good choice because he's.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
On my fantasy team and I needed him yep, to
keep going in our pool in our league, and he
couldn't play because he likes the spit in people's faces.
Thanks Jamar, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Good choice.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
The best dish side dish. I would go with Higgins
because he's also on my fantasy team. But guess what,
uh I started him and then he got a concussion
and he got knocked out of the game, So that's great.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, and Bengals centric. Is he gonna go three for three?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I not. But the team that puts.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Me to sleep? What's in the turkey, Bobby? What makes
people sleepy?
Speaker 8 (28:15):
The Saints? They are so boring to watch. Say what
you want about the Raiders, but it's like a train wreck.
At least it's entertaining for me because like, wow, they're
so bad, but they're bad in a entertaining way. The
Saints are just boring, Like that Saints Falcons game, My god,
I went.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
To sleep Boom, how about that? How about the Midway guys?
We incorporated a holiday into sports content. I don't think
it's doing that.
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Sor Sanders had another time with the media today. Here's
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what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
All your supporters out, I'd dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotageing me.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
So you just want to start trouble.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
I know, I want to ask you with your relationship
with him.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Yeah, Well, what people do outside the building isn't really
in my control, is not in my power. So you
had like I go out there and tell him to
do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I could
control or nothing I could do. But overall, you know,
I'm just happy to be here. Co Stefanski, you've been coaching,
uh since I got here, and uh, you've been doing
a very great job, you know, with everything that's going on.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well that was a non answer answer, wasn't it. That
was a non answer answer, And that non answer tells
you everything you need to know. Tells you everything you
need to know. Oh wait, there's more. Here's Kendrick Perkins.
He was on a podcast this week. This is his
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comment about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 11 (30:51):
Shadula Sanders is the most powerful black man since two
thousand nine. You know it happened in two thousand and nine,
that's when President Obama got elected in office. He's the
most powerful black man since two thousand and nine. You
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said you were sitting there watching the game in your house.
And what you did, you ran, You ran with the TV. Right,
what was you doing, dB? You was chairing like when
Shadua Sanders is on the field. And when I say powerful, powerful,
because it's two sides of it, right, think about it. Okay,
you got the black community. He bringing the whole black
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community together. I ain't ran across one black person that
then said one bad thing about should do it. We
won't even guess what not one because he has the balance.
He has the balance of that. I'm arrogant, but I'm
humble too, and he having fun with it. And on
top of that, y'all want me to say it ain't
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y'all want me to fail. It ain't gonna happen. He's
the most powerful black man in sports, no other, no other,
matter of fact, black man. He the most powerful player
in sports.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I don't really know where to go with a lot
of that. I will say this, I have. I mean,
half my team is is black. I have half my
staff as black, and and the general consensus from my
staff guys is they are big Shador and Dion fans.
(32:29):
Chadoor and Dion fans. He's not the most powerful guy
in sports. I do think that the black community by
and large embraces him and seems to have made this
into some sort of uh racial thing. Well, it's it's
(32:51):
comedy because Dylan Gabriel is not white, you know. And
oh yeah, by the way, the guy who was the
starting quarterback before injury for the Cleveland Browns, who has
the largest guarantee in the history of the league, just
so happens to be black as well. That's the actual
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starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. So there's a lot
too it that has nothing to do with race, and
that Kendrick Perkins, maybe he's been hanging out with Ryan
Clark too much, is making it completely about race. But
I do think the black community has embraced him. I
don't think any of the other stuff is true or
factual or whatever. But I just again, this is why
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it better work, because if it doesn't, nobody wants that
on their team. Nobody wants the idea of if you
don't play a guy, you're racist or you don't want
him to do well. And Shador is not helping it. Mike, Look,
you have to stop lying to yourself and lying to
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the public. You do whether or not she door has
a good repute, a good relationship with Kevin Stefanski or not.
The answer he gave is a telling answer, and it
is a terrible answer because it throws fuel to the fire.
It's very easy because his initial part of the answer
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was great. The initial part of the answer is there's
lots of noise outside the building. I can't control that, period,
stop fix it. Then the guy's like, no, but what's
your actual relationship? Like, well, he's like a coach and
it's gotten better, and he tells me what to do.
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The only answer you need is, hey, people outside, they
don't know what's your relationship? Like great, awesome, He's been great.
I keep learning. I love his offense. I love it here.
I can't wait to get out there and show everybody
what we're putting in between last week and this week.
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That's the answer. That's how you do it. And we
can sit there and go like, well, he's young, he
isn't bull bull because he could take coaching from his dad,
and his dad is not helping him. His dad is
hurting him because he just killed his coach once again,
without trying, without openly trying to play that answer for
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me one more time before we bringing Rich Hornberger. Remember,
listen to the entire because the first part is good.
First part is like, hey, I can't control everything else.
But then when they follow it up and ask what
your asking relationship is, that's when he stepped in.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotaging.
Speaker 10 (35:43):
So you just want to start troubling out.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
I know, I want to ask you what a good
relationship with him?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (35:50):
Well, what people do outside the building isn't really in
my control, is not in my power, so you had
like I go out there and tell him to do whatever.
You know, that's that's not nothing I could control or
none could do. But overall, you know, I'm just happy
to be here. Go Stefanski. You've been coaching, uh since
I got here, and uh, you've been doing a very
great job, you know with everything that's going on.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, he is, he says grown. He didn't say it
was good. He didn't say it was great. He made
it out like he's weosed doing on and out the field.
It feels like he's like a parent. It's a bad answer.
It's bad as he was doing so well up into that.
But hey, he's been doing great with everything. But what's
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your relationship actually like? It's like a coach like a player.
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Radio philipsy iHeart Radio presented by Bett MGM Rich what'd
you think of Shador Sanders's answer when he was asked
about his relationship with his coach.
Speaker 12 (37:20):
I didn't have an enormous problem with it, but I
do agree with you there is an answer that is
going to lead to zero media questioning, zero criticism, and
then there's the answer that he gave. Look, everybody knows
the right answer. He grew up in a house with
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a father who's a professional football player, former professional football
player turned coach. He has been media trained since he
was in high school. He knows exactly what he's doing
every step.
Speaker 13 (37:54):
Of the way.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
So trust me when I tell you, and I don't
need to tell you. But he's not careless with his words.
He knows what he's doing, and he knows what he's
saying when he says it's a growing relationship instead of.
Speaker 13 (38:08):
It's a great relationship.
Speaker 12 (38:10):
He knows what he's inferring. When he tells a reporter
who asks him about the relationship that he tells me
what to do on and off the field. He knows
that that is going to paint a portrayal of the
relationship in a certain light. That is going to lead
to some either condemnation from people around the Brown who
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think that Shador is being strangle held by this organization
in some way, or it's going to be you know,
it's going to potentially lend credence to the argument that
he really needs to be reined in by this organization.
Whatever he knows, he's going to make a headline. And
so I completely agree with you that there is a
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team friendly way to answer questions, and there is the
way he decided to answer the question, and he knew
exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
did you actually think of how he played?
Speaker 12 (39:10):
You know what, Look, he's got a lot to improve on,
but I can see the light.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You know.
Speaker 12 (39:16):
I don't want to make the comparison because I don't
think it's apt.
Speaker 13 (39:20):
But if you looked at Josh.
Speaker 12 (39:21):
Allen when he came into the league, he was he
was an unfinished product. You know, he was an unfinished product,
and he was playing with the guy who I think
offensively really understood what he needed in Brian Gable, and
he developed over years. It literally took years into a
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top tier caliber starting quarterback in the league. And then,
you know, last year he won the MVP. So he's
continued to grow and he's continued to assert himself in
the correct directions. Now do I think that Cador Sanders
could ever play to the level of Josh Allen, I
don't know. I mean, it's so hard to get to
that that top echelon, you know, where we're talking about
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maybe the five greatest players playing in the NFL currently,
it's hard to get there, so will he I don't know.
But but what I can tell you about the samples
of Shador Sanders that I'm watching is there are times
where he's doing some really boneheaded things with the football.
There's times where the scheme isn't helping him, and there's
time where I can see exactly the reason why, you know,
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he was considered a top tier talent leaving college and
then you know, fell down the draft board obviously for
you know, either exterior reasons or personality reasons, or you know,
or potentially certain talent evaluators just didn't love the way
he played. But I can see the talent, So it's
a little bit of a mixed bag. It's still extremely
early to say for certain whether or not he's going
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to be, you know, a Josh Allen or if he's
going to be you know, sort of an afterthought quarterback,
you know that ends up being a career backup.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Stug Ottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Rich Ornberger. Course Rich played in the league,
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the teams that actually matter. That's my one thing about
the Browns, Like, why are we talking about the teams
that don't matter? Game that matters? Packers and Lions. Packers
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and Lions. Game wasn't truly competitive when it was playing Lambeau.
But that's first game of the season, new staff for
the Lions. This time around, Detroit's a three point favorite.
What do you think of Packers Lions Ford Field tomorrow
noon Central time?
Speaker 13 (41:44):
Man, I'll tell you what. It's really good to get
the Packers at home if you're the Lions, Because the
Lions I think we were all expecting them to be
a more complete theme they have been so far today.
Speaker 12 (42:02):
Dan Campbell has struggled in some ways calling this offense
and then as a result of having Micah Parsons that
you have to plan your offense around when you face
the Green Bay Packers. That doesn't make life any easier.
I mean, he's a he's.
Speaker 13 (42:21):
A great player, and you know, you better get those
tackles some help he's got.
Speaker 12 (42:26):
He's got some really high level offensive lineman on that
on that team. But you either need to get the
ball out of Jared Goff's hands immediately, or you need
to get Penney Sule and Taylor Decker some help. And
and and that means chip help from the backs and
tight ends coming in there and bumping Michael Parsons off
(42:47):
this rush. And that means double teams sliding to Micah
Parson's way. And that also means getting Jamar Gibbs or
Jamiir Gibbs involved in the passing games. You know, I mean,
even if even if you're only fitting two yard passes
or three yard passes, getting the ball into hands of
a playmaker beyond the line of scrimmage, if he can
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make one man miss, we know he can make the
defense pay. And that is going to help Jared Goff
get rid of the football sooner, which I think should be.
It'll be mission critical in this game against the Packers.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Caleb Williams now, I mean sixteen touchdowns, four interceptions. Everybody
has an opinion on a week to week basis, Give
me the thirty thousand foot view of the Bears of
Caleb Williams. As Friday they get the Eagles coming off
that loss to the Cowboys.
Speaker 12 (43:39):
Caleb Williams has improved a great deal with Ben Johnson
as his as his coach and you know, kind of
by proxy, his offensive coordinator. I'm not saying that I'm
I'm a believer in Kate Williams, and I think that
he is going to be, you know, the next Steve
Young or anything that was like a Patrick Mahomes for example.
(44:03):
But I've seen some upside here since getting a voice
in the headset who really seems to understand how to
limit his liabilities and how to really focus on his strength.
And he's shown some improvisational skills at times this season
that really impressed me. Now, you know, do I think
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that they're going to end up winning the NFC North
the Bears led by Caleb Williams, I don't know. I
think that's a really competitive division, and I think a
lot can happen after Thanksgiving, so we'll see starting with
the Eagles here on Friday. But do I find myself
more and more pressed with Caleb Williams, Yeah, I do.
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I think he had kind of a rough start. We
were just talking about Shador. He kind of had a
rough entry into the NFL as well, because of some
of the grumblings about how his father was going to
get involved if the wrong team drafted him, and there
was some scuttle butt about whether or not he would
even play for the Bears, and you know, they end
up taking him, and you know, that storyline kind of
(45:09):
goes away, but the feeling I don't think ever did,
so I think that's stuck with him for the first
full season. I think here with a new head coach,
he's looking much more competent, and so this could be
a year where they either sneak into the I would
guess that the Bears end up being a wildcard team
if I were to put like my name on it
(45:31):
right now, I think the Bears don't end up winning
the NFC North. I do think they sneak into the
postseason as a wildcard team, and then from there you
roll the dice. You know, who knows, maybe they can
sneak off with the first round win.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Rich Ornberger. Rich nobody thought much myself included
the Cowboys. Yet here they are at five hundred, fresh
off win over the Eagles and the Chiefs. Everybody just
assumes they'll figure it out and they have that they haven't.
That's a huge game for the Chiefs, and suddenly Cowboys
(46:05):
seem competitive with it. Can they upset the Chiefs tomorrow?
Speaker 12 (46:09):
They can?
Speaker 1 (46:11):
They can.
Speaker 12 (46:13):
I think that if you believe all of the hype,
you assume like the Chiefs are going to win another
Super Bowl or appear in another Super Bowl and the
Dallas Cowboys are destined to be you know, dog meat
of the NFC. But don't buy the hype. I mean,
just watch the games. The Cowboys have all pro talent
(46:37):
on that offense. The Cowboys have a defense that's really
struggled this year, but they've won some track meets and
they've made some plays when they've needed to defensively in
tight games. Now, in the NFL, it's very different from college.
Speaker 11 (46:52):
You know.
Speaker 12 (46:52):
Look, you can have teams on your schedule late in
the season where you're going to beat them by forty
points because you're thirty seven and half point favorites. You know,
in the NFL, everybody can beat everybody. So you can't
convince me that this is just a rollover game for
the Chiefs, like they are going to just you know,
just because they're coming off a fresh window going to
(47:12):
ot with the Colts, and you know, and and you
know they're playing on a short week like that that
they will automatically lose. No, they're not going to roll
over for anybody. But I also don't consider them automatic
winners either because of where they've been and who they are.
They still got to play these games. In the Dallas Cowboys,
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they're a formidable threat. And I think Dak Prescott is
playing some really good football and nobody seems to notice
because he's got just above a five hundred average or
five hundred record with the five to five and one
record that the Cowboys are boasting right now.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradier. Last thing
we started the show talk about Joe Burrow and how
now he's going to be this heroic figure because he's
playing football when they have a very very very mendisical
chance of making the playoffs and rich it does strike
me as ironic that you're in my generation, like we're
(48:10):
the ones that kind of came up with the idea
of sitting guys. It might have been agents back in
college football, right, but sitting guys because well, they didn't
have much to play for and load management in the NBA,
and it doesn't make sense. Nobody would thirty years ago,
nobodyould say, hey, you shouldn't play because you're not in
the playoffs, But now it's very much part of the conversation.
(48:32):
That conversation has been started by our generation. But we're
the same generation that's critical of the guys now for
missing games when they're healthy enough to play. Where do
you stand on Joe Burrow becoming kind of a hero
for yesterday, going like, look, I'm a football player. If
I get hurt, I'll rehab and I'll come back next year.
Be fine, right.
Speaker 12 (48:53):
I love the attitude. I love the attitude, and you
know I agree with you. I think there are times
where a coach needs to come back and throttle back
a player, but that needs to be how it goes.
I don't think. I don't think it's a good message
to send when you're a team leader and one of
the best players not only on the field but on
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the planet, and in a reckless game like football, you're
saying things like, hey, I got to really look out
for the future, not only mine, but the future of
this franchise, because they're really going to need and rely
on my talents next year. No, no, no, screw that.
You need to be the guy that's chomping out the
bit to get back on the field. And if anybody
(49:37):
is going to say anything about whether or not you
should play, it needs to be the voices in the
room around you. You know, it needs to be your
head coach saying absolutely not, under any circumstances are we
sending you back out there. You know it's still too early.
You know you miss nine weeks of the season with
turf tow what's two more weeks? What's three more weeks? Like,
(49:58):
if you want to play when we're we're closer to
the finish line here, just to get a couple of
games on your belt, we could have that conversation, but
we're not rushing you back in a lost season yet.
Like that's the way this should have been. If it's
gonna be messaged, it should be messaged. So I think
Joe Burrow is pitch perfect here. If the coach thinks
it's okay for you to play, if the trainers and
(50:19):
the doctors think it's okay for you to play, then
you better go play football, because guess what, you are
a grown man playing a kid's game for Kings Ransom
and it is the best job on Earth. And Doug,
I know you welcome me on because I like to
talk and I like to talk to you, but also
because of my playing experience, and I can tell you
it is one of the most fun games and most
(50:40):
fun things you could do with your life playing in
that league. So if you got a quarterback who does
want to get off the field, you got the wrong quarterback.
So I think Joe Burrow is hitting all of the
right notes, not only with the fan base but with
his teammates, and that's the reason why he's one of
the best doing it.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
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Speaker 12 (51:16):
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The Crown is yours. Welcome. Welcome in, Jay Stu. You'll
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love this so as you guys know. And I popped
on the show yesterday from the airport. We were in St.
Thomas and the Virgin Islands for the last week with
my basketball team, and it was I mean when I
say the weather was perfect, this is a from somebody
who grew up in southern California. It was perfect, warm
(01:07):
but not too hot. It's like eighty five every day,
A little bit human but not no bugs, No, not
like perfect. And we're supposed to get like fifty five
mile in our wins this afternoon still may happen here
in Green Bay. We're supposed to get just like a
dusting and I'm looking at like five or six inches
of snow when it was supposed to be like an
inch of snow. I was on an island like yesterday,
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and we're digging out the snow today. But such is life.
Welcome to the Gottlieb Show. Good to be back, Good
to be with you. Let's talk some sports, shall we.
I heard something from Joe Burrow and it's really interesting,
Like Joe Burrow today is going to be healed hailed
as a hero, right, I mean, just like like you
(01:52):
go through the heroes of our lifetime in sports, and
Joe Burrow's going to be listed a month those guys
because well, this is what he said. What he was
asked about. Are the argument being made the Bengals should
not play him tomorrow or the rest of the season
(02:12):
because they're out of the playoffs. Here's what Joe Burrow
had to say.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I understand why people feel that way, but if you
look at it from my perspective, I'm a football player,
and if I get hurt, I'm going to go through
the rehab process, and then I'm gonna let everybody know
when I feel like I can go out there and play.
I'm not gonna ever go to somebody and say, yeah,
(02:38):
I'm healthy, But no, I don't think. I don't think
I should go out there and play. That doesn't make
a lot of sense to me. I'm not gonna live
my life and play this game scared of something happening.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, And the idea is that we're somehow making it
heroic for Joe Burrow to do his job, which is
becase quarterback of the Bengals. And what he's saying is like,
I'm a football player. I play football. When there's a
football game, it makes total sense. And here's the I
(03:12):
don't know if it's a catch twenty two or jaxtaposition. Chase,
do you're you can parse my words as as much
as you'd like and tell me what you think. But
on one hand, and Jason, I think you like to
poke fun at gen Z rightfully so for how they
(03:33):
have become just an entitled generation of people. But if
you think about it, the people who are asking Joe Burrow,
why are you playing the games don't mean anything because
you got a one percent chance of making the playoffs.
Those are the same people who are critical of modern
day athletes for being soft, or for only playing when
(03:57):
they want to play, or for load management. Like, on
one hand, our generation, right Gen X, was the one
that came up with load management. Our generation is the
one that said, hey, let's be smart, don't play a
guy when he does need it, because all he can
do is get hurt. And yet our generation is the
(04:18):
same one that's like, hey, those guys are soft. They
don't play every game like previous generations and our generation did.
It's it's it's kind of a fascinating social experiment here.
And yeah, I mean, I there's lots of things you
learn the more you're around sports. First thing you learned
I think people are learning, especially this is not everybody
(04:39):
plays football loves football, but Joe Burrow does.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Not.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Everybody that that that uh plays sports understands that the
job of sport is not just to play when you
want to play or when it's good for the team
to play, but at all times. And again it's our generation,
the older generation that kills that let me give you
(05:04):
a college football example. Right, we are and I have
been harshly critical of players sitting out of bowl games
in the past, or sitting out of games you know,
red There's there's a movement. There's been a movement of
guys four games in the year red shirting and saying
refusing to play because things weren't what they thought. And
(05:25):
if you do have the ability to red shirt, even
if you play four games in college football, it's easy
to be critical of those guys and say, what are
you doing. You sign up to play for a school.
You play for the school. If they want to play
you one snap or one Hunter snaps, you play. That's
what you do. And now you're getting compensated to play.
That's what you do. On the other hand, it's our
generation which came up with these rules. It's our generation
(05:48):
which is firing coaches three, four or five games in
the season, which essentially cancels the season and says we
have no hope and says we're looking to move on anyway.
So do I think that Joe Burrow is a heroic figure?
Not about heroic, but it's the kind of message that
when you say it, how can you not be a
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Joe Burrow fan. On the other hand, isn't he simply
doing his job. It's like the old Chris Rock bit
on guys saying, like I take care of my kids,
you're supposed to take care of your kids. Yeah, that's
what you're supposed to do. It's the same thing as
(06:32):
a quarterback. Why are we celebrating a guy for playing
quarterback on a three and eight team when he's making
a ton of money to be the quarterback. Whether they're
three and eight or eight and three, it shouldn't matter.
And the root cause of the problem is not gen Z,
it's gen X. We came up with all these ideas
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and we've come up with the decision to fire coaches
early on the season and essentially cancel their season. We
came up with load management, so we No, we shouldn't
be surprised when players dive into that, but we also
should feel super weird and self conscious about guys saying, Hey,
I think it's weird to even celebrate the fact that
(07:14):
I'm playing football.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Go ahead, Jason, it's an interesting You're right, it's an
interesting human experiment. It's an interesting social experiment. And I'll explain.
So I'm guessing in our talk space, there is an
overlap between the people that have been against load management
for years and the same people probably this week being
(07:39):
like the Bengals are idiots for playing Joe Burrow. Yes,
they want they want their cake and they want to
eat it too. Now it's an interesting social experiment. And
you know me, I don't. I don't do this lightly.
I don't go here often, but I will say this,
how much how much does race play into this? How
much of the load management is black guys not work
(08:00):
who make a lot of money? And this week don't
play Joe Burrow? Why would you play Joe Burrow? The
white quarterback? But how wout do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
It hadn't come to my mind at all.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
I do think, I do think it strikes me this week.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh I well, I don't. I don't know on on Burrow.
I mean, part of Burrow's thing is he has been
hurt a lot, right, he has been hurt a lot.
So it's it's more than just like, well he's never
been hurt like he'd been hurt a lot, or it
feels that way. I do think that there are other
instances NBA players probably catch the most flack for it
(08:41):
that there's always going to be a group of people that,
you know, you have, the racial bias of a black
guy not going to play in a game is somehow
a bigger deal than a white guy not playing a game.
My issue with that is I have a blind spot
to it because it just does and it's not I
(09:01):
would never think about it. But the more you say it,
the more you go, yeah, Okay, I don't know if
it's there with football, because I think that people believe
that football players ultimately everybody gets hurt when it's not
really the case. It's not really the case. It's like
Tom Brady played twenty years, Yeah, the urs ACL Yeah,
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but that's literally like the only injury he ever had.
It's kind of crazy, and he was a statue back there, statue.
But it is a tremendous social experiment.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
And you bring up the that the fact that there
we always think that all these people when they get
to the professional level are in it to win it, like, yes,
their only goal is to win at all costs, especially
in team sports. And remember Cam Newton said this about
six weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Remember, would you rather being a spot where you can
individual achieve have success, have statistics and lose, or would
you want to be someone that contributes to a team
that can win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
And I'm glad you asked that. When you're talking about
individual play, this is how I this is how I
take care of my family. Team success don't take care
of my family. So if I'm thinking about it from
a personal standpoint, of course, we want the best of
both worlds. But if you're asking me what gives you extinsions,
what gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,
(10:31):
there are some more players that have rings, championships and
things that are struggling rather than quote unquote bus that
has had money and they're doing right by their money.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's just it's such a bad narrative.
I do think there are people that believe that. I
just don't think they're the brightest people in the world.
But yeah, that's that's what some people do believe, and
it gives credence to what you're saying.
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let's get to the Midway. He's not getting It's time for.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
The Midway.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Along with Isaac, Isaac Locron, Ryan Smiths on on the
ones and twos, and of course the great Jason Stewart
is producing Jase two. What's the topic of the Midway?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Thank you, I'll take it from here. I sent this
to the group text today I want to do. I
want to be one of the only shows in the
country today that are doing Thanksgiving esque topics, none of
intentionally ironic or cheesy. I want to be the one
show that's going to take a holiday and then mix
(12:42):
it into our sports content in a very witty way.
I want you guys to think about three things each
of you. I need. I need a short answer with
a short explanation. We can go one by one. Okay,
First of all, who is the biggest turkey in sports
right now? That I want you to think about that. Second,
(13:04):
who is the best side dish in sports right now? Now?
You could take that as any way you want. Do
you want to take side dish as in a great
Batman to a Robin or Robin to Batman, or do
you want to take it like Cardi b to Stefan Diggs,
like the woman that's having one of his four babies
this year? In the third third topic, what sports team
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puts you to sleep the fastest?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
What's in the turkey? Bobby? What makes people sleepy?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Okay, so those three items and I will start so
you guys can think about it. My answer to who
is the biggest turkey in sports right now. I'm gonna
say it's a tie between one of two people, but
I don't want to sam up the category, so I'm
gonna pick one. Ja Morant Jahn Morant called Klay Tom's
(14:00):
in a bum over the weekend and his latest miss
out from the bench doug he was not suited. He
called Clay Thompson, a surefire Hall of Famer top seventy
five player, a bum, and Klay Thompson went off on
him on one of the most measured, smart articulate cut
(14:22):
downs in the history of sports, basically called him an
unserious person. He lacks depth, has no imagination. So Jah
Morant right now is my biggest turkey in sports, the
best side dish in sports right now. And I really
liked my CARDI b answer. I thought that was funny.
(14:43):
But my biggest my best side dish in sports right now.
And this is going to be very controversial. I think
a lot of people are going to be pissed off
at this one. But Austin Reeves to Luka Doncic, Austin
Reeves is my best side dish. You see what I
did right there?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I thought you did.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
You saw what I did right there? Yep, I didn't.
I didn't include one person. So that's my controversial pick.
And then what's the sports team right now that makes
you sleep the fastest?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
What's in the turkey? Bobby? What makes people sleepy?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I think the most forgettable team in sports right now
the Siberia of all sports. And I just realize I'm
going to all MBA on this one is the Washington Wizards.
You never hear anything about the Washington Wizards. I don't
know who's on the team. I couldn't tell you one
person on the team. I'm sure they got a really
(15:41):
good free agent this past year. I have no idea
who's on the Washington Wizards formerly the Bullets. I hope
they go back to the Bullets. So that's my three answers, gentlemen,
Turkey and sports. John Moran side dish is Austin Reeves.
Very controversial. And then the team that makes me sleep
the fast justice right now is the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
What's in the turkey?
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I'm gonna give you the floor, Gottlieb. Who's your biggest
turkey in sports right now?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Ryan Clark? Ryan Clark, I mean, I mean he's apologized
three times so far this year, maybe four. Ryan Clark's
talented analyst, but you know, in his in his effort
to right wrongs from I guess from his life, for
his career, he's just said and done a lot of
(16:31):
things which have irritated a lot of people. But in sports,
Ryan Clark is. Ryan Clark's my guy, and I do
have a a co favorite for that would be Stephen A.
Smith again with the you know, first he wanted to
be a journalist. Now he doesn't, you know, But Ryan Clark,
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to me, is is the biggest turkey in sports. The
best side dish in sports is booka coua. Oh I'm
gonna go pook in a coua, And my logic behind
it is Matt Stafford is the main course. Matt Stafford
has thirty touchdowns, two interceptions, is on his way to
(17:18):
winning the NFL's MVP at thirty seven years old, and
DeVante Adams rightfully so because of the touchdown receptions gets
a ton of the attentions. So I don't even think
he is what's the biggest side dish. I don't even
know if he's like stuffing booka a coua is almost
like cranberry sauce. Or sweet potatoes or sweet potato cast
(17:40):
role because it's like you don't you think of Thanksgiving,
You think of the turkey. Maybe you think of the
mashed potatoes. But poog in a coua is amazing eighty
catches through ten games with eleven point eight yards reception,
and like you think, obviously Devanta Adams, you think of
a Hall of Famer, Matt Safford's gonna be a Hall
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of Famer and MVP. But putin Akua is Here's here's
what I love is star wide receiver who still goes
over the middle. He'll get the five yard catch, take
a couple of hits, and then get out and go
do it again. He's not simply trying to get touchdowns.
He's moving the sticks as well. Putin cou is my uh?
Speaker 4 (18:17):
And then great choice choice?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
What was the last one?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
What's sports team right now? Makes sure the fastest?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Uh? Oh, there's a bunch of Bobby what makes people sleepy?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (18:37):
The Las Vegas Raiders out, well, they just no offense.
But they've got no offense. And you know, it's one
of those things where we fall in love with the
story but we don't actually see, like, look it was
a great story that Gino Smith grew up. Gina Smith
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was immature. Gino Smith is the second round pick to
make it with the Jets. Gina Smith became a guy
who everybody likes respects. But he topped out a couple
of years ago during that kind of comeback year with
the Seattle Seahawks, right, he had thirty touchdowns, eleven interceptions,
then twenty and nine. Then last year he went very
good and this year he's med at best. I mean, honestly,
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he's not even mediocre. Thirteen touchdowns, thirteen interceptions. It's not
that their team is great, but they drafted first round
draft pick running back, and they have the Rookie of
the Year last year and brought powers and they're just eh.
But the Raiders are. It's a tough watch. There's my answer.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Two choices. Two of your answers are right. And Ryan
Smith's face as he's running the board today, he loves
Ryan Clark and he loves the Raiders. So you guys
are officially rivals in this midway. I just want to
remind listeners, I'm hoping when we are the only show
in the country right now now doing a would he
take incorporating a holiday into sports content. That's what we
(20:07):
do here, Isaac Glow and Crown, You're up next. Who
is the biggest turkey in sports? Right now?
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Very annoyed by gut Later No, No, I'm just kidding.
It's not you, Doug all right. I would actually like
to preemptively invite feedback and or pushback from the contingent
here as I reeled these off, controversially my biggest turkey
in sports Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Now here's what.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Here's a guy who I thought had been completely humbled
by what happened with him with the Raiders in USC
and even to an extent Alabama, begins to rebuild his
head coaching career at Florida Atlantic, humbles himself, goes there,
then goes to Ole Miss. Great and because of that,
(20:59):
I would think he would be happy and satisfied where
he is, particularly with what they're doing now. But either way, however,
this weekends, I think he's a turkey because if he goes,
I think he's a turkey, because oh the grass is
always greener on the other side of the pasture, he
leaves Ole Miss in the lurch, and if he stays,
which on one hand, I would respect Why would you
(21:20):
put ole Miss through all this uncertainty? You know, we've
seen We saw it with Chip Kelly, we saw it
with Brian Kelly. We see all these hot shots and
boosters are falling all over themselves with gazillions of dollars
to lure these people, and wow, it just doesn't work out.
So I felt for a guy who was humbled and
it has already been through the worst of coaching. He's
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just doing the same stuff that he was doing twenty
years ago.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
So I don't know if you check on that. I
want dugs take on that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Brian Kelly.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
No, no, no, for all the reasons Isaac just pointed out.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So I I, loo, why do you think that? Why
does he have to decide right.
Speaker 7 (22:07):
Now because his team's in national championship contender? And I
just don't understand.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Because you want him to.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
I'm sorry, because you want him to.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
No, I don't have.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
A dog in the fight here, But it just seems
to me that in college football, the grass is always
always greener on the other side of the pasture.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I mean, link the other side. Let me give you
the other side. Yeah, second, you have a bad second
you have a bad year, they fire you and they
want to buy you out for fifty million dollars. Fair point,
fair point. It's like why these guys have these huge
buyos whatever, because the second they lose a couple of games,
you say, hey, we're oh, you're You're I'm all about you.
I do think if he was staying, he would have
(22:51):
said him staying right. On the other hand, on the
other hand, there is the power of negotiation, which just like, hey,
because look, you only stay if they're going to put
you at the top level of the SEC can find
out I want everything they got in nil money. And
I'm sure he's also waiting on the NFL.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Oh, I hadn't even thought about that.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
You mean, like the New York Giants even Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
What giants and Tennessee Giants have his quarterback. Tennessee's right
down the road. So he's a man with options. He
doesn't have to decide now. The only ones that are
pushing the narrative of deciding now are the schools that
jobs are open. That's the reality of it. It's the
absolute reality of it. And that's those jobs problem. You know,
(23:38):
had they not fired their coaches already, we wouldn't have
sped up this process. You don't have to decide now.
Wait if they play Mississippi State, you know, they get
in the College Wall playoff, Like, I don't think he
has to decide now, even though I think he's probably
decided at some point long ago.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
All right, best sidekickslash side. Yes, I'm gonna go from
the Dallas Cowboys, Brandon Aubrey.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
In the whole.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
You know, kickers come from the side, you know. All right,
So this season alone, this cat he hits a sixty
four yard field goal to force an overtime against the Giants,
and hits the game winning field goal in overtime. He
hits another sixty plus or later in the year, game
(24:29):
winning field goal against the Eagles. I mean, this guy
is you know you mentioned the stock rising for the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
You know, he's.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
Another reason why. I mean, you know, you just kind
of have to get it over midfield with this cat,
and you're already you know, especially indoors in field goal range.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
And finally, I think it's interesting by the way that
Isaac has somehow channeled like the Beatnick generation of the sixties.
He called Aubrey a cat twice. I don't think any
one calls men cats anymore. So well done, go ahead, Yeah,
I need the team that makes you fall asleep the fastest.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
By the way, just just just refer to me as
the Jack Kerouac of the New Millennium, if you will.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
On the road.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
Very good, He refers to Marty Glickman in there by
the way, all right now onto references that the rest
of our audience will understand.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
All right.
Speaker 7 (25:24):
I'm also going to go to the NBA, which is
kind of an indictment on Adam Silver that it's not
the first team but the Atlanta Hawks. I mean, I'm
not saying this to be a sarcastic jerk, even though
I am one. But can you guys tell me since
the days of Dominique Wilkins when the Atlanta Hawks have
ever been a nationally relevant team? Not necessarily in terms
(25:50):
of success, because they've had successful teams, but have they
ever been captivating enough to talk about? Like I literally
had to look up what their record is this year,
and they're actually having a decent season. They're eleven and eight.
They're in sixth place in the Eastern Conference right now.
But I cannot remember literally when.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
They went to the Eastern Conference finals. But still but no,
I got it. Yeah, here's right, No, no, I got it.
I agree with you. I do have a take that
maybe today's not the day for but it's you know,
the the Mavericks fired their gentle manager for trading away
(26:28):
a beloved superstar, right, and the Hawks fired Landry Fields
because he didn't in many ways, because he didn't trade
away their beloved superstar in Trey Young. Like Trey Young's
crazy popular in Atlanta, but you can't win it. You
can't win big with Trey Young as your best player.
(26:50):
And thus they could enter they didn't trade him, everybody
lost their jobs.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Right, and and and even before that, I mean, I literally,
I'm like I said, I'm not trying to be sarcastic,
but I don't remember since the days of Dominique Wilkins
when they have been a captivating national teams or story. Yeah,
you're absolutely right, they're and they're not a minor market team.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
We've been waiting a good ten minutes for Ryan Smith
to come up with his response to Doug picking Ryan
Clark and the Raiders in his choice. So so Ryan
Smith got my popcorn, Matty. That's great. The biggest turkey
in sports right now?
Speaker 8 (27:29):
Well, this is only for selfish reasons. My biggest turkey
is Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Good choice because he's.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
On my fantasy team and I needed him yep, to
keep going in our pool in our league, and he
couldn't play because he likes the spit in people's faces.
Thanks Jamar, thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Good choice.
Speaker 8 (27:52):
The best dish side dish. I would go with Higgins
because he's also on my fantasy team. But guess what,
uh I started him and then he got a concussion
and he got knocked out of the game, So that's great.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Yeah, and Bengals centric. Is he gonna go three for three?
Speaker 1 (28:08):
No?
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I not. But the team that puts.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Me to sleep? What's in the turkey, Bobby? What makes
people sleepy?
Speaker 8 (28:15):
The Saints? They are so boring to watch. Say what
you want about the Raiders, but it's like a train wreck.
At least it's entertaining for me because like, wow, they're
so bad, but they're bad in a entertaining way. The
Saints are just boring, Like that Saints Falcons game, My god,
I went.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
To sleep Boom, how about that? How about the Midway guys?
We incorporated a holiday into sports content. I don't think
it's doing that.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I think it's really unique. It's really unique.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
You know what you wanted to do, Jason one time
in the future. You ought to pick out a subject
and have the top four and call it the Mount Rushmore.
I don't think that's ever been done before.
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Sor Sanders had another time with the media today. Here's
(29:32):
what he had to say.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
All your supporters out, I'd dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotageing me.
Speaker 10 (29:41):
So you just want to start trouble.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
I know, I want to ask you with your relationship
with him.
Speaker 10 (29:48):
Yeah, Well, what people do outside the building isn't really
in my control, is not in my power. So you
had like I go out there and tell him to
do whatever. You know, that's that's not nothing I could
control or nothing I could do. But overall, you know,
I'm just happy to be here. Co Stefanski, you've been coaching,
uh since I got here, and uh, you've been doing
a very great job, you know, with everything that's going on.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 10 (30:15):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well that was a non answer answer, wasn't it. That
was a non answer answer, And that non answer tells
you everything you need to know. Tells you everything you
need to know. Oh wait, there's more. Here's Kendrick Perkins.
He was on a podcast this week. This is his
(30:49):
comment about Shador Sanders.
Speaker 11 (30:51):
Shadula Sanders is the most powerful black man since two
thousand nine. You know it happened in two thousand and nine,
that's when President Obama got elected in office. He's the
most powerful black man since two thousand and nine. You
(31:11):
said you were sitting there watching the game in your house.
And what you did, you ran, You ran with the TV. Right,
what was you doing, dB? You was chairing like when
Shadua Sanders is on the field. And when I say powerful, powerful,
because it's two sides of it, right, think about it. Okay,
you got the black community. He bringing the whole black
(31:34):
community together. I ain't ran across one black person that
then said one bad thing about should do it. We
won't even guess what not one because he has the balance.
He has the balance of that. I'm arrogant, but I'm
humble too, and he having fun with it. And on
top of that, y'all want me to say it ain't
(31:55):
y'all want me to fail. It ain't gonna happen. He's
the most powerful black man in sports, no other, no other,
matter of fact, black man. He the most powerful player
in sports.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
I don't really know where to go with a lot
of that. I will say this, I have. I mean,
half my team is is black. I have half my
staff as black, and and the general consensus from my
staff guys is they are big Shador and Dion fans.
(32:29):
Chadoor and Dion fans. He's not the most powerful guy
in sports. I do think that the black community by
and large embraces him and seems to have made this
into some sort of uh racial thing. Well, it's it's
(32:51):
comedy because Dylan Gabriel is not white, you know. And
oh yeah, by the way, the guy who was the
starting quarterback before injury for the Cleveland Browns, who has
the largest guarantee in the history of the league, just
so happens to be black as well. That's the actual
(33:13):
starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. So there's a lot
too it that has nothing to do with race, and
that Kendrick Perkins, maybe he's been hanging out with Ryan
Clark too much, is making it completely about race. But
I do think the black community has embraced him. I
don't think any of the other stuff is true or
factual or whatever. But I just again, this is why
(33:34):
it better work, because if it doesn't, nobody wants that
on their team. Nobody wants the idea of if you
don't play a guy, you're racist or you don't want
him to do well. And Shador is not helping it. Mike, Look,
you have to stop lying to yourself and lying to
(33:55):
the public. You do whether or not she door has
a good repute, a good relationship with Kevin Stefanski or not.
The answer he gave is a telling answer, and it
is a terrible answer because it throws fuel to the fire.
It's very easy because his initial part of the answer
(34:18):
was great. The initial part of the answer is there's
lots of noise outside the building. I can't control that, period,
stop fix it. Then the guy's like, no, but what's
your actual relationship? Like, well, he's like a coach and
it's gotten better, and he tells me what to do.
(34:39):
The only answer you need is, hey, people outside, they
don't know what's your relationship? Like great, awesome, He's been great.
I keep learning. I love his offense. I love it here.
I can't wait to get out there and show everybody
what we're putting in between last week and this week.
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That's the answer. That's how you do it. And we
can sit there and go like, well, he's young, he
isn't bull bull because he could take coaching from his dad,
and his dad is not helping him. His dad is
hurting him because he just killed his coach once again,
without trying, without openly trying to play that answer for
(35:23):
me one more time before we bringing Rich Hornberger. Remember,
listen to the entire because the first part is good.
First part is like, hey, I can't control everything else.
But then when they follow it up and ask what
your asking relationship is, that's when he stepped in.
Speaker 9 (35:35):
All your supporters out, I dare say that that Kevin
Stefanski was sabotaging.
Speaker 10 (35:43):
So you just want to start troubling out.
Speaker 9 (35:45):
I know, I want to ask you what a good
relationship with him?
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (35:50):
Well, what people do outside the building isn't really in
my control, is not in my power, so you had
like I go out there and tell him to do whatever.
You know, that's that's not nothing I could control or
none could do. But overall, you know, I'm just happy
to be here. Go Stefanski. You've been coaching, uh since
I got here, and uh, you've been doing a very
great job, you know with everything that's going on.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
But what is your relationship like with him? And when
we don't see you guys together.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Definitely like a coach, you know, he tells me what
I need to do on and off the field. We've
definitely grown our relationship and everything is grown. So I'm
just thankful to be here.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, he is, he says grown. He didn't say it
was good. He didn't say it was great. He made
it out like he's weosed doing on and out the field.
It feels like he's like a parent. It's a bad answer.
It's bad as he was doing so well up into that.
But hey, he's been doing great with everything. But what's
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your relationship actually like? It's like a coach like a player.
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome in
Rich Ornberger. He joins us now on Fox Sports trad
He's got his own daily radio show in San Diego.
Plus's co host to Countdown to Kickoff with Jared Smith.
Brian no airs each Sun eighty nine am new in
Eastern Time. Listen live on any of our Fox Sports
(37:09):
Radio philipsy iHeart Radio presented by Bett MGM Rich what'd
you think of Shador Sanders's answer when he was asked
about his relationship with his coach.
Speaker 12 (37:20):
I didn't have an enormous problem with it, but I
do agree with you there is an answer that is
going to lead to zero media questioning, zero criticism, and
then there's the answer that he gave. Look, everybody knows
the right answer. He grew up in a house with
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a father who's a professional football player, former professional football
player turned coach. He has been media trained since he
was in high school. He knows exactly what he's doing
every step.
Speaker 13 (37:54):
Of the way.
Speaker 12 (37:55):
So trust me when I tell you, and I don't
need to tell you. But he's not careless with his words.
He knows what he's doing, and he knows what he's
saying when he says it's a growing relationship instead of.
Speaker 13 (38:08):
It's a great relationship.
Speaker 12 (38:10):
He knows what he's inferring. When he tells a reporter
who asks him about the relationship that he tells me
what to do on and off the field. He knows
that that is going to paint a portrayal of the
relationship in a certain light. That is going to lead
to some either condemnation from people around the Brown who
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think that Shador is being strangle held by this organization
in some way, or it's going to be you know,
it's going to potentially lend credence to the argument that
he really needs to be reined in by this organization.
Whatever he knows, he's going to make a headline. And
so I completely agree with you that there is a
(38:54):
team friendly way to answer questions, and there is the
way he decided to answer the question, and he knew
exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, what
did you actually think of how he played?
Speaker 12 (39:10):
You know what, Look, he's got a lot to improve on,
but I can see the light.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
You know.
Speaker 12 (39:16):
I don't want to make the comparison because I don't
think it's apt.
Speaker 13 (39:20):
But if you looked at Josh.
Speaker 12 (39:21):
Allen when he came into the league, he was he
was an unfinished product. You know, he was an unfinished product,
and he was playing with the guy who I think
offensively really understood what he needed in Brian Gable, and
he developed over years. It literally took years into a
(39:41):
top tier caliber starting quarterback in the league. And then,
you know, last year he won the MVP. So he's
continued to grow and he's continued to assert himself in
the correct directions. Now do I think that Cador Sanders
could ever play to the level of Josh Allen, I
don't know. I mean, it's so hard to get to
that that top echelon, you know, where we're talking about
(40:03):
maybe the five greatest players playing in the NFL currently,
it's hard to get there, so will he I don't know.
But but what I can tell you about the samples
of Shador Sanders that I'm watching is there are times
where he's doing some really boneheaded things with the football.
There's times where the scheme isn't helping him, and there's
time where I can see exactly the reason why, you know,
(40:28):
he was considered a top tier talent leaving college and
then you know, fell down the draft board obviously for
you know, either exterior reasons or personality reasons, or you know,
or potentially certain talent evaluators just didn't love the way
he played. But I can see the talent, So it's
a little bit of a mixed bag. It's still extremely
early to say for certain whether or not he's going
(40:50):
to be, you know, a Josh Allen or if he's
going to be you know, sort of an afterthought quarterback,
you know that ends up being a career backup.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Stug Ottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Rich Ornberger. Course Rich played in the league,
covers the league. You can listen to them here on
Fox Sports Radio. Countdown to kickoff every Sunday Morning, which
is presented by Bett mgim. All Right, let's get to
the teams that actually matter. That's my one thing about
the Browns, Like, why are we talking about the teams
that don't matter? Game that matters? Packers and Lions. Packers
(41:24):
and Lions. Game wasn't truly competitive when it was playing Lambeau.
But that's first game of the season, new staff for
the Lions. This time around, Detroit's a three point favorite.
What do you think of Packers Lions Ford Field tomorrow
noon Central time?
Speaker 13 (41:44):
Man, I'll tell you what. It's really good to get
the Packers at home if you're the Lions, Because the
Lions I think we were all expecting them to be
a more complete theme they have been so far today.
Speaker 12 (42:02):
Dan Campbell has struggled in some ways calling this offense
and then as a result of having Micah Parsons that
you have to plan your offense around when you face
the Green Bay Packers. That doesn't make life any easier.
I mean, he's a he's.
Speaker 13 (42:21):
A great player, and you know, you better get those
tackles some help he's got.
Speaker 12 (42:26):
He's got some really high level offensive lineman on that
on that team. But you either need to get the
ball out of Jared Goff's hands immediately, or you need
to get Penney Sule and Taylor Decker some help. And
and and that means chip help from the backs and
tight ends coming in there and bumping Michael Parsons off
(42:47):
this rush. And that means double teams sliding to Micah
Parson's way. And that also means getting Jamar Gibbs or
Jamiir Gibbs involved in the passing games. You know, I mean,
even if even if you're only fitting two yard passes
or three yard passes, getting the ball into hands of
a playmaker beyond the line of scrimmage, if he can
(43:07):
make one man miss, we know he can make the
defense pay. And that is going to help Jared Goff
get rid of the football sooner, which I think should be.
It'll be mission critical in this game against the Packers.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Caleb Williams now, I mean sixteen touchdowns, four interceptions. Everybody
has an opinion on a week to week basis, Give
me the thirty thousand foot view of the Bears of
Caleb Williams. As Friday they get the Eagles coming off
that loss to the Cowboys.
Speaker 12 (43:39):
Caleb Williams has improved a great deal with Ben Johnson
as his as his coach and you know, kind of
by proxy, his offensive coordinator. I'm not saying that I'm
I'm a believer in Kate Williams, and I think that
he is going to be, you know, the next Steve
Young or anything that was like a Patrick Mahomes for example.
(44:03):
But I've seen some upside here since getting a voice
in the headset who really seems to understand how to
limit his liabilities and how to really focus on his strength.
And he's shown some improvisational skills at times this season
that really impressed me. Now, you know, do I think
(44:24):
that they're going to end up winning the NFC North
the Bears led by Caleb Williams, I don't know. I
think that's a really competitive division, and I think a
lot can happen after Thanksgiving, so we'll see starting with
the Eagles here on Friday. But do I find myself
more and more pressed with Caleb Williams, Yeah, I do.
(44:47):
I think he had kind of a rough start. We
were just talking about Shador. He kind of had a
rough entry into the NFL as well, because of some
of the grumblings about how his father was going to
get involved if the wrong team drafted him, and there
was some scuttle butt about whether or not he would
even play for the Bears, and you know, they end
up taking him, and you know, that storyline kind of
(45:09):
goes away, but the feeling I don't think ever did,
so I think that's stuck with him for the first
full season. I think here with a new head coach,
he's looking much more competent, and so this could be
a year where they either sneak into the I would
guess that the Bears end up being a wildcard team
if I were to put like my name on it
(45:31):
right now, I think the Bears don't end up winning
the NFC North. I do think they sneak into the
postseason as a wildcard team, and then from there you
roll the dice. You know, who knows, maybe they can
sneak off with the first round win.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Stuck Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader, that's the
voice of Rich Ornberger. Rich nobody thought much myself included
the Cowboys. Yet here they are at five hundred, fresh
off win over the Eagles and the Chiefs. Everybody just
assumes they'll figure it out and they have that they haven't.
That's a huge game for the Chiefs, and suddenly Cowboys
(46:05):
seem competitive with it. Can they upset the Chiefs tomorrow?
Speaker 12 (46:09):
They can?
Speaker 1 (46:11):
They can.
Speaker 12 (46:13):
I think that if you believe all of the hype,
you assume like the Chiefs are going to win another
Super Bowl or appear in another Super Bowl and the
Dallas Cowboys are destined to be you know, dog meat
of the NFC. But don't buy the hype. I mean,
just watch the games. The Cowboys have all pro talent
(46:37):
on that offense. The Cowboys have a defense that's really
struggled this year, but they've won some track meets and
they've made some plays when they've needed to defensively in
tight games. Now, in the NFL, it's very different from college.
Speaker 11 (46:52):
You know.
Speaker 12 (46:52):
Look, you can have teams on your schedule late in
the season where you're going to beat them by forty
points because you're thirty seven and half point favorites. You know,
in the NFL, everybody can beat everybody. So you can't
convince me that this is just a rollover game for
the Chiefs, like they are going to just you know,
just because they're coming off a fresh window going to
(47:12):
ot with the Colts, and you know, and and you
know they're playing on a short week like that that
they will automatically lose. No, they're not going to roll
over for anybody. But I also don't consider them automatic
winners either because of where they've been and who they are.
They still got to play these games. In the Dallas Cowboys,
(47:34):
they're a formidable threat. And I think Dak Prescott is
playing some really good football and nobody seems to notice
because he's got just above a five hundred average or
five hundred record with the five to five and one
record that the Cowboys are boasting right now.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Tradier. Last thing
we started the show talk about Joe Burrow and how
now he's going to be this heroic figure because he's
playing football when they have a very very very mendisical
chance of making the playoffs and rich it does strike
me as ironic that you're in my generation, like we're
(48:10):
the ones that kind of came up with the idea
of sitting guys. It might have been agents back in
college football, right, but sitting guys because well, they didn't
have much to play for and load management in the NBA,
and it doesn't make sense. Nobody would thirty years ago,
nobodyould say, hey, you shouldn't play because you're not in
the playoffs, But now it's very much part of the conversation.
(48:32):
That conversation has been started by our generation. But we're
the same generation that's critical of the guys now for
missing games when they're healthy enough to play. Where do
you stand on Joe Burrow becoming kind of a hero
for yesterday, going like, look, I'm a football player. If
I get hurt, I'll rehab and I'll come back next year.
Be fine, right.
Speaker 12 (48:53):
I love the attitude. I love the attitude, and you
know I agree with you. I think there are times
where a coach needs to come back and throttle back
a player, but that needs to be how it goes.
I don't think. I don't think it's a good message
to send when you're a team leader and one of
the best players not only on the field but on
(49:14):
the planet, and in a reckless game like football, you're
saying things like, hey, I got to really look out
for the future, not only mine, but the future of
this franchise, because they're really going to need and rely
on my talents next year. No, no, no, screw that.
You need to be the guy that's chomping out the
bit to get back on the field. And if anybody
(49:37):
is going to say anything about whether or not you
should play, it needs to be the voices in the
room around you. You know, it needs to be your
head coach saying absolutely not, under any circumstances are we
sending you back out there. You know it's still too early.
You know you miss nine weeks of the season with
turf tow what's two more weeks? What's three more weeks? Like,
(49:58):
if you want to play when we're we're closer to
the finish line here, just to get a couple of
games on your belt, we could have that conversation, but
we're not rushing you back in a lost season yet.
Like that's the way this should have been. If it's
gonna be messaged, it should be messaged. So I think
Joe Burrow is pitch perfect here. If the coach thinks
it's okay for you to play, if the trainers and
(50:19):
the doctors think it's okay for you to play, then
you better go play football, because guess what, you are
a grown man playing a kid's game for Kings Ransom
and it is the best job on Earth. And Doug,
I know you welcome me on because I like to
talk and I like to talk to you, but also
because of my playing experience, and I can tell you
it is one of the most fun games and most
(50:40):
fun things you could do with your life playing in
that league. So if you got a quarterback who does
want to get off the field, you got the wrong quarterback.
So I think Joe Burrow is hitting all of the
right notes, not only with the fan base but with
his teammates, and that's the reason why he's one of
the best doing it.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
That's the ways Rich and former offensive lineman, hosts his
own daily Showood in San Diego, and you can also
hear him count Down to Kickoff with Jared Smith and
Brano Airs each Saturday between nine am and New Eastern time.
Listen live on our Foxport tradio affiliates on the iHeartRadio
app presented by bet MGM Rich. Happy Thanksgiving, Thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 12 (51:16):
Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving. Doug anytime, Happy to do it.
Host
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