December 3, 2025 • 46 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to Chris Paul being sent home by the Los Angeles Clippers and the news that Giannis Antetokounmpo might be leveraging his way out of Milwaukee soon.
Doug welcomes college football analyst Josh Pate onto the show to talk about the college football playoff rankings and the Lane Kiffin situation.
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew share their final thoughts on the college football regular season.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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got a couple things I want to get to. I
want to get to the college football rankings in one second.
I do want to talk about Chris Paul and how
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it's ending in the NBA with him. Isn't it interesting
on how how few of these stars when they're done
it ends well, Like even Peyton Manning who won a
Super Bowl. Remember very unhappy that mid season his last year,
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he was replaced and then he got his job back
at the start of the playoffs, and the defense carried
him because his arm was was shot like that. That's
literally what happens Brett Farves last year. Remember he had
retired again, and then Chile sent three dudes down to Mississippi.
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He came back and he had that he had that
Nike had on that looked like it had and he'd
been on the tractor for years with that same hat on.
Remember that one. I mean, you go through some of
these guys. They they end poorly more often than they
end well. And man, Chris Paul, it's one thing to
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get cut in what appears to be your last NBA gig.
It's a whole thing to get cut by the Clippers
when he kind of legitimized the Clippers in this era
of Clipper basketball. He was lob City. But it is
in the old you can't go home again. I give you,
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Chris Paul, you can't go home again. But I mean,
think about it. A guy who was he's gonna be
a Hall of Fame player. He was head of the
players Association. He's one of the He's one of, if
not the most premiere true point guard we've had in years,
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like since Kid, he's probably the best pure point guard.
And yet he goes back to the team that he
brought legitimacy to and couldn't even make it to the
midway point of the season. Then you go with the
Jannison Tennakupo and the agent initiating talks about, Yeah, I
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don't know if it's the best place for Yannis to be.
Does anyone think there's any way in which Yannas stays
in Milwaukee? Because I do not. I do not. And
obviously the seed was planted early in the summer when
he said New York was a place that he would consider.
New York never stepped up. But once you start the
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idea of trading away Yannis, it's really hard to ever
get that relationship back. And then once Yanna says, hey,
maybe we should take a look at whether or not
this is the place long term, we know what that means.
You know what that means. That means he's going to
be moved. Any doubt, Dan Byer, any doubt in that
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I have I personally, without any sort of knowledge as
to what the discussions are. But when you hear that,
you know he's going to be moved. Would you disagree
with that in any way?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
No, No, he should have been moved this past offseason.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean it was the perfect time to move him,
right Lillard Torre's Achilles. This run appears to be dead
and they tried to you know what happens is And again,
you can use this with Chris Paul. You can use
the analogy with Giannis. You can use it with that
anytime something appears to be done and then you're like, hey,
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let's just run it back one more time. I always
I love this analogy. Dan, you played basketball, so you
know pick up basketball on a Sunday morning. Picture your
local high school or uh, you know some people it's
a it's a church where they have a gym before
services or after services. Every everys no matter what time
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of day it is. There comes a point you're an
hour hour and a half in where the games start
getting a little yanky, and guys have things to do.
You gotta take your kid to school, or go to
a soccer game, or you gotta go and run an
errand and you lose one guy after the next, and
pretty soon you're like, hey, last game, you run it.
It's a decent game. It's over. And then you still
have technically nine ten guys who want to play, and
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they turn to you and go, hey, man, you want
to one run one more And you're looking at these
other guys and it appears they all want to go
and do it one more time. It's like, all right, fine,
what happens that last game? Somebody always gets hurt, maybe
somebody catches an elbow and wants to fight. Something always
goes bad when you extend it beyond it's it's actual
du date. And that's what's happened with Chris Paul, Like, hey,
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his career really should have been over in Phoenix a
couple of years ago. That was that was the deal.
And for Yannis, to Dan's point, he's right. You know,
you tried to move some things around. You tried the
Lillard thing. That didn't work. Then Lillard tearors is Achille's
ten and you're like, we're not this is another championship team. Well,
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we spend all this money on Doc, we spent all
this money these guys. Let's get as much you know,
juice out of that orange as possible, like that thing's
already been squeezed, already been squeezed.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's funny too when you look at just on how
it's transpired. The team is five years removed from winning
their NBA title. It feels like it's ten years, to
be honest with you, like it just feels like it
was a long long time ago. But it's every step
like the next year they and heck even ESPN's putting
it on the screen right now. The next year they
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lost to Boston and a game seven in the Eastern
Conference semi finals, and then there's just been nothing since
and they have been caught in limbo. But also you've
got Giannis who's turning thirty one in a couple of days.
Now you wonder what is the package, Like, what could
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you actually get for him? He's broken down at the
end of previous seasons over the last couple of years. Sure,
nothing is so now even the point of I'm sure
there may be one team, but again, there was only
one team that Yannis had interest in going to this offseason,
and that was the Knicks. So now the value that
you get back is just and how much is that
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team going to want to really believe that Jannis is
a long term solution as opposed to maybe just helping
them bring a title to wherever this year.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, then the other part to Gianniss, he almost has
to be the center. Like the way he plays, He
has to be kind of the guy you go to
and then have everybody else have space around him. And
can you still is he still capable of doing that,
of playing that way, of dominating that same passion.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes, A lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
A lot of questions, a lot of questions real quick.
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Treaties, Dan Byrum tug Gottlieb,
Jay Stew's Around of course. So as Iowa sam College
fall playoff rankings came out last night and basically here's
where it stands. Okay, the top doesn't truly matter Ohio
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State one, Indiana two, although they play this week. So
the question is if if when they lose, one of
them has to lose, right, how far do they fall?
How far do they fall? And then you have Georgia
who plays Alabama. Alabama's at nine, which you would think
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it protects them if they lose, You think they're going
to get in Okay, but how far do they drop
if they if they lose to Georgia Texas Tech plays
this week against by u B. Why you would not
they're eleventh in the field. But when you're eleventh in
the field, if you beat Texas Tech, you're in. If
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you lose, you're probably out. Then you have Miami and
Texas sitting there waiting hoping, right because you also have
Duke playing this weekend, they get in the College Wroble
playoff that they win this weekend, those would be bid steals. No, wait,
they don't get in.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I had to be brushed up on this too, So Dan,
if you could help me explain Duke. Basically, because they're
not ranked, they only give it's not even technically an
auto qualifier, like you still have to be a high
ranked conference champion in order to get into the playoff, Dan,
anything you want to clean up there.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So in terms of they would take the top five
conference champions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that Duke being
the ACC champion would be one of the top five.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
If Duke could win the ACC championship and be left
out of the playoff, and that actually if they do
win it, that's likely what would happen.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I think, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Believe, I think that they would manipulate the rankings in
a certain way to allow them to be in.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I mean again, the ones that are interesting are
BYU has got to win to be in, right, we
all believe that. I mean, it doesn't they can lose
by a point, we're not getting in with They got
to win to get in, and so that has a
direct effect on everybody ranked above and below them. Alabama.
Alabama is probably the most interesting team this weekend. Right,
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they win, like that helps Oklahoma who beat them, Right,
and it obviously solidifies Alabama. And how far does it
knock down Georgia? Well, how far does in the like
the whole thing is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, the big ones are Alabama and BYU. Because what
is set up in terms of BYU losing is the
metric that the committee keeps pointing to is that they
haven't been using the head to head of Notre Dame
in Miami because the teams haven't been next to each other.
So if b Y you would lose, that would mean
that Miami then could move up a spot and would
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be next to Notre Dame, and that would allow the
Hurricanes then to flip spots with Notre Dame because they
beat them in the opening week of the season.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
M And then Texas doesn't get that same benefit of
doubt because they're not next to Texas A and M. Right,
they're there behind.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yes, Texas needs a chance with this.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Need Alabama to lose. They need by you lose, right, Yes,
that's what they need to have happened for them to
have any sort of chance. Alabama has to lose. And
then and and if Georgia wins, they they beat george
they lose to Georgia. Wait, who hold on?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Who Texas lost to Georgia. They got lost to Georgia. Yeah,
they got crushed. Yeah, but Texas has good wins, like
that's the thing is they've but.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
They also want Ohio State to win. It does look
better when if well, Hio State's the number one seed
and they beat you in a close game, that you
want that to happen as well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, And Sarkisian even said, and he's been on the
record the past couple of days of not playing high
profile games if they don't make it in they actually
host Ohio State next year. There was a comment made
yesterday on I believe on Sirius XM where you talked
about not playing that game next year.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
There's zero Let me just tell you something right now. Okay,
working in an athletic department, I can tell you right
now there is no chance Texas gets out of that
game next year. None. That game is going to generate
so much revenue for the city of Austin and for
his ever all those tickets because you can charge whatever
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you want to get into DKR a's the Daryl Royal Stadium. Okay,
there's no chance of getting out of it now. Will
they play the games in the future. Maybe not. Maybe
he gets out of it, but he ain't getting out
of that one. You get out of a future road game,
you're not getting out of a home.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Game ultimately as well, like when you're the SEC like
we're sitting here arguing about a bunch of SEC schools
as well. And yes, if we focus on the bad losses,
they focus on the bad losses the committee does. I'd
rather focus on the wins than the bad losses, but
that's how they try to split hairs. But it's also
a conference that yeah, right now is at eight conference games,
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and if you played nine, maybe you would have more clarity.
Now that doesn't do what's best for the league, but
that may have done what's better for Texas or Alabama
in this situation.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
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dive in on the college football playoff and where it stands.
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But again, a lot of this we won't know until
the dust settles after the games this weekend.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
Was Optimist Optimist Climb. That's a great name, Yes, Optimist Climb.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Your nickname recall is great.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
By the way, uh nicknames worked for me? Right, I
feel like I'm gonna be like George George W. Bush.
You know, I just give everybody nicknames that don't actually
make sense. Do you guys? Remember that He's like, hey,
shorty shorty, skinny Chebby. He just start to name it
because he can't remember dude's names. I do remember Josh
Paate's name. That's because he's synonymous with college football. He's
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kind of to spend some time with us, as he
has periodically throughout the year. You see him everywhere on three, ESPN,
Yahoo Sports. Course, Colherd heard him on my show. He's like,
I gotta have that guy on because he's a stud.
Josh Pate joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
You are known for Paate State, Penn State still looking
for a coach, Like, what the hell is going on
that nobody wants to go to state college and make
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ten million dollars a year?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad. I didn't
want him to. I mean I didn't support them Fire
and Franklin to begin with. But whatever, I mean, guys
have lost their jobs before that. I thought should get
one more year. But man, like, I don't have to know.
I can look out the window as an outsider and
see fog. But if you're an athletic director, you can
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Here.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
You live in this world. If you're an athletic director
and you're gonna make the move on a coach that
has averaged basically a playoff caliber season over the past
three or four years, Don't you at least have to
have a pretty good working set of knowledge about who
you can acquire, which was void up there. Just we're
gonna fire him and then well we'll let the plane
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take off, then we'll figure out how to fix the
landing gear. Mid flight was basically the planet ten states.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy.
I would agree, Like again, it's it's one of those
you know what the the you know what it does
is it completely dismantles and disarms the argument of hey,
we gotta fire a guy early in this season so
we get ahead on the hiring cycle. It's actually been
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backfired for them because, you know, because once they fired him, okay,
Nebraska's like, well, we know you're coming after our guy.
We're going to re up him before there's ever a chance,
you know, to get him on campus. That's really what happened.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I'm gonna tell you the other thing. I think LS
you missed the vote here as well. I think LSU
and Penn State now LS you got their coach, So
it's all well and good for them, But we went
through this whole multi week ordeal about if Kiffin takes
the job, will he be able to coach in the playoffs?
And then you got Burje Assbury in the administration at
LSU saying, hey, we would have been fine with him
coaching the playffs. Well, how about this, then, why didn't
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you just hang on to Brian Kelly through January? He
could be none the wiser. You could back channel this thing,
keep it ultra quiet. Is it the most ethical move
in the world. No, But I mean, look at the
landscape right now. It's void of any logic, much less ethics.
So I look at Penn State the same way. If
you've got a tight circle and you got folks you
can trust, just back channel the thing. It's purely theatrics
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to pretend like you have to have fired your head
coach publicly before you're allowed to begin a coaching search.
There's no law that says that. There's not even a
bylall that says that. But you've got real Look, I
want to be respectful because like I know these guys,
but just some gross incompetence at the wheel right now,
at multiple big time programs.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't think there's any question. You know what's interesting
was I talked to a couple ads and they're like,
you know, the guy who should get the SEC job
versus John Sumrall, and he's kind of got drugged through
a drug over the coles when I don't know, it
feels like Florida actually made a good hire, but because
they didn't get Kiffin, it seems like a negative.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Yeah, here's basically what that equates to. I mean, the
best defense of not laking some role that I have
heard from Florida fans boils down to will we already
try the G five coach from the state of Louisiana,
you know, which is a ken in the real world,
to saying I once dated a girl from Charlotte, North Carolina.
It did not work out. I could never date another
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girl from Charlotte, North Carolina. Like the entire pool of
potential bachelorettes there in the Greater Charlotte area, they're permanently poisoned,
the wellest poisoned because one example didn't work out. Of course,
there's no logic. It's void of any logic. I've said
that three times already in the short period that we've
been talking here. But John Somerl's great, Like if you
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get down to football, to get down the real brass
tax football type stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
He's great.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
He's Look, if you don't believe me, I don't care.
I mean my opinions. Whatever it is. You said it, though,
go talk to people around the league. Go talk to
people just around the South in general. Talk to NFL scout.
They universally knew it was a matter of when, not if,
he got one of those big time jobs. I will
tell you this, Doug. He wanted that Auburn job bad
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and Auburn fumbled it fantastically, and I was ready to
just rip Auburn, but I kept my mouth shut because
sometimes athletic and administration's trip backwards across the finish line
and end up landing softly. And they did. They got
Alex Golish, and he's a really good coach too. But
John wanted that Auburn job. Florida. For all the people
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been moaning this higher down there may in three years
be looking at it saying that could have been the
most fortuitous turn of events over that seventy two or
nine in hour period that we ever could have voted.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
For Josh Payton joining us. Synonymous with college college football,
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Josh Paid,
of course has the Josh Paid College Football Show, which
you should watch, listen to download at your leisure, or
check them out on YouTube as well. We were just
having a discussion about the year that has been college football,
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and my point was, I can pick apart all the games,
you know, like Dan Byer and I, we watched all
these games. Sam's a Iowa guy, so he watches all
the Iowa games, and we go, this was a great game.
That was a great game, you know, and maybe Ohio
State Indiana is an epic one. Has it changed for
you as somebody who grew up around this and now
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talks about it for a living. The energy towards a game,
because who wins and who loses doesn't have as great
an effect on the outcome of the national championship because
the biggest games, for the most part, both those teams
are going anyway. Right Yeah, So I guess that's the
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question is of the games this year, are any of
them in the regular season going to be memorable or
they really diminished by the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
It's a really it's a good question, and it's a
weird answer. So my answer is for some of the
regular season games, my biggest spear was the expanded playoff
would delude the value of those regular season games. And
maybe it did a little bit, but in a percentage form,
I would say like five percent. I went to all
the biggest games in the country. I get to pick
wherever I go every week, Like a lot of those
things were still really really big game environments. I will
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say this though. It just dawned on me yesterday Number
one and versus Number two were playing Saturday, and I
think back to some of like the Game of the
Century type matchups or a Game of the Millennium type
matchups we've had where one v. Two happens in the
regular season, and I think you're right. Those did feel
infinitely bigger, even as regular season games, than the Big
ten championship game does. And it's because we built a great,
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big safety net under it, and that was always going
to be the price you paid for expanding the playoff.
It's also why it just aggrevates me to no end
that we're sitting here at twelve. I still think we
have a fine enough balance, and we've got a complete
mess of the college football calendar, and yet the powers
that be's main focus is how do we expand the playoff?
You know, you got a huge mess over here, and
you got something that's working okay, over there, and all
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their attention is over there instead of over here.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, So help me out. How do you so this
is a real discussion, Josh Page joining us here in
the Doug Gottlieb Show. So again, I don't have all
the answers, but I am a college coach, and I
can tell you that at least college basketball did make
one adjustment to the portal calendar last year. The portal
was opened during the NCAA tournament, right, and then it
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closed up in the Final four, then opened this year.
I believe it's not open until after the NCAA tournament,
So that that's a positive adjustment. Football is different, okay,
And let me explain, Josh. I know you know this,
this is not for you, but so people understand that
the early signing period starts today, right, and high school
players can enroll early, okay, enroll early as well as
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for transfers. Like the idea is, you've got to have
somebody in place for the portal for high school recruiting,
and so you have a team in place at the
start of second semester so that you're gonna have spring football.
So do you have some of these practices before you
get the summer where you don't have enough time in
the summer to make up for it? Okay, how do you,
Josh Pate, adjust the calendar so that we don't have
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not only coaches changing jobs when their team is still
playing playing games.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yep, all right, So you've got two options here. You
really have no control over. The first one from the
athletic side, and that is the academic calendar. You could
have an alternate universe where, you know, people kind of
acknowledge the reality, and that is that the quote unquote
student athlete exists on campus because of a completely different
reason than the math major. Therefore, you create a separate
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student athlete academic calendar. As you know, that's very unrealistic.
If you could do that, you can solve a lot
of problems. So if we assume we live in a
world where that's not possible, then college football has got
to adjust its calendar. And I think what you probably
have to do, and I would hate it because it's
one thousand degrees in the South in late August. But
you probably have to move the start of your season
up a week to where you're that third week in
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August kicking off to where you can end your season
third week of November, where your conference championship games are
taking place December or Thanksgiving weekend rather and then you
just four week your playoffs and have your national championship
on New Year's Day, and then you go National Signing
Day shortly thereafter and portal windows shortly after that. That's
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the only optum I make.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I would say there's one other option, and I think
Saban sort of said it, which is I think what
you gotta do is you gotta cut the spring and
fire up the summer. I think that's what you gotta do,
you know. I mean, And for people don't understand, again,
you can't for basketball. We can do eight hours, but
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it has to be four and four. So we get
four hours a week in the summer for basketball, and
it helps, but again it's still very very difficult. You
don't have time to have real practice. Like, look, reality
is all of these programs that we're top our four programs.
I would guess by now they all have indoors, so
weather's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot
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and you don't have an indoor one you better build one,
and you're not getting coaches or players, and two you
can do it in the morning. But again the counter
to it is because because the argument is, hey, we
need those practices, we need to get our young guys
up and going we build a new team. I think
the only way to do it is, you know, maybe
you maybe you cut off early and early enrollees and
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then you have summer practice or you have a certain
number of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,
even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,
they can, But that you can either bank the practices
for the summer that we're supposed to be in the spring,
something like that. I think that works.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
A lot of ads that I've talked to and a
lot of coaches that I've talked to strongly prefer that
you can always tell the guys who have coached pro ball.
So the second that's mentioned, they just say, yeah, that's
just a fancy way of saying OTAs, and yes, I'm
all for it. And yes, it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look,
that stuff just makes my head spin because I'm a
visual guy, so it's hard for me to mentally see
the calendar, much less all the dates on the calendar.
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But when guys whose opinions I trust all start to
align behind something, I usually shut up and listen to it.
And that's one that's been floated around a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load
you up with some mo and you can pick it
apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it
when I talk about it on my show. Okay, you
ready for it? Go. Lots of people are saying, hey,
I don't want to punish, for example, Ole Miss's players
for Lane Kiffin's departure. I don't think you punish him. Okay,
(26:14):
I think we're looking at this all wrong. I don't
think Florida State was punished. I think Florida State was
appropriately evaluated as being inferior to their where they were
in the regular season two years ago when the quarterback
went down. I think that's the the Old Miss thing.
If you move them down seed wise or whatever you
do with them, you're not punishing them. You're trying to
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figure out who the best teams are. And I don't
think anybody would argue they're not as good without Lane
Kiffin as they were with Lane Kiffin, much the way
you'd say with the quarterback. Do you know you are?
Are you okay with pushing back on the punished word?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's
all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things
that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we
saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,
so if you wanted to go that route, like our
eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on
the field. Now, my whole thing during that period was
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that committee did not say best teams. They said most
deserving teams. And then at the eleventh hour, I vividly
remember it, Doug Bill Hancock goes on some interview like
it wasn't even an official platform or anything, and he
just casually said, you know, the term most deserving is
not in our lexicon, it's best. Well, once you say that,
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I don't really even care if I think you're punishing
them or not, Like we can argue over semantics if
we're trying to put the best teams in there, who
are essentially power rating teams at that point, and no
Florida State would have no business there. But even applying that,
how does one apply that to Ole Miss right now?
Because there's season's over, we will have never even seen
them without Lane Kiffin or without some of his staff.
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And I really don't know how you even quantify the impact.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Agreed, Uh, does Alabama get in if they lose?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame
has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a
couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally
admitted it in their rankings last night.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
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And right now, it's not terribly cold. I mean, if
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Speaker 7 (29:28):
Two degrees, that's awesome. And I love the fact that
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ordered at least three hot dogs and the half that
he was there, Yes, he showed up at halftime. No,
I got there during the first half. I think I missed.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I mean I think I missed like seven minutes of
the of the half, but I did have probably three
or four hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Actually, Jay s Dou, I actually have big news for.
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You in marchrodizing the place.
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Big bigness to you in Mark time. I believe we
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all the time, so pretty fired up that I not
not officially official, but unofficially official. But I expect you
and Mark Stein to be court side.
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That's my I'll bring the Walker brothers to uh nice
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It's not getting the middle, it's time for it's getting
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the middle.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
All right, Jay stew what's the topic the midway?
Speaker 8 (31:28):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Thank you, take it from here.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
The uh.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
It looks like the consensus on the group text was this,
we're gonna uh, we're gonna recap post mortem the regular
season of college football. Now the jumping off point, I'd
like to do kind of a flashback the Wednesday midway
before the start of the regular season, we did our
one storyline we are most intrigued by going into the season.
(31:57):
I'm gonna give you those four and you guys could
choose in this in the next ten minutes to talk
about those things that maybe you had brought to the table,
or you could just choose another thing. I just want
to know you're you're kind of like a big takeaway
storyline from the season that you enjoyed following the most
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or were most surprised by. So here it was our
four stories coming into the season that we were most
intrigued by. Was will Dion Sanders after losing his son,
lose interest and it won't have a good season? That
turned out that way? Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Who was that? By the way?
Speaker 8 (32:37):
That that was mine? That was mine?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Bill Belichick? What kind of a season is he going
to have that didn't turn out too well? That Arch Manning?
I forgot who brought that to the table? Arch Manning?
Is he going to live up to the hype? That
didn't work out too well? And then Caitlin de boor
is he going to be the next Mike Shula or
the next nixt Saban?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I think that was yours, Dougie. I think you.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I feel like Kalin Devor was your guy. I don't
remember what mine was.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Everybody wanted him fired after week one. Then he was
the guy. Then he wasn't the guy. Now there are
people that think that if he loses Saturday, he'll go
take the Penn stage job.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
The North Carolina story was so much of a train
wreck that it wasn't even a like a nice train wreck,
Like it was just such a mess.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Right, he wasn't aware of a nice train wreck ever before.
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I know what you mean, like fugitive train wreck, like
where like the cars were just scattered all over what he's.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Saying, Like, it wasn't it wasn't even fun. It got
it got to the punchs where like this is not
even fun.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, just ridiculous. He thought that there would be something
of standards of commitment, and it was just a circus
all season long.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, I would, I would, I agree with you, Dan.
I would also say that we really don't know the
level of dysfunction. I think, me just being honest, I
think what was reported by what's his name does all
the investigative journalism, basically for the entire industry. What was
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what was reported by Pablo was so damaging that everything
became every game, everything became about that, right, and and Basically,
Pablo is like, he might not even make it to
the season. It's such a disaster. And he was right,
it was a disaster. I don't know if he's writ
in terms of what was actually going on behind the scenes.
(34:39):
Again he hasn't missed yet. But again, this was this
was just this was without receipts. We don't know. And
I can also tell you that yet you're holding a
guide to the standard that we're used to with him
as an NFL coach is sort of ridiculous when you're
a college coach. And I did say, when you got
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seventy new players, you're not going to win. You're just
not especially when you never coach college football before. It's
so hard. Now year two, year three, there has to
be has to be improvement, and I would guess there
will be, But I agree with you, Dan, it was
not even fun. I did see a lot of myself
in what was going on there, where the reality is
they just didn't have good enough players.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, well you didn't have Jordan Hudson interfering in everything.
And there's another there's another aspect of this because we
look at Belichick, and we look at Belichick's assistant and
look at what Matt Patricia did at Ohio State. So
Matt Patricia failed as an NFL head coach and then
failed in his return to New England in coaching the
(35:43):
offense and coaching the quarterbacks. And Bill Belichick failed at
North Carolina. And while Ohio State does have great talent,
they did have to replace a lot of talent on defense,
and they became even better on defense with Matt Patricia
leading it, which maybe is in a surprise when we say, well,
of course he learned from Bill Belichick, but that also
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then tells you how dysfunctional things have gotten around Belichick
that he can't even rely on his defense or the
stuff that he knows. I get worked for Matt Patricia,
and it was a complete mess in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The fair point, did we think, though, in terms of
wins and losses, that it would be kind of around
five and seven, four and eight, they finished four. I
don't think we knew. I don't think we had any idea, right,
I mean, I didn't think they go bold. I really
didn't know much about the personnel. I just felt like
it would just be a season though where there.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I think any of us say we knew about North
Carolina football. I think we're fooling ourselves. And I think
that we thought that, well, maybe Belichick fresh start, Heck,
he knows more about football than anybody. He'll be able
to win them the five, six or seven games. And
I don't even think it got to the point of
that where it didn't matter if he could be a
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mastermind and school some of these college head coaches.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
A losing streak, including a bad loss at NC State.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And yeah, and they but they also they had probably
two games they should have won. Was the Cow game,
I think, which was one.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, they lost three to Cal.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
There's two that they should have won there late as well.
And I think that the one topic we missed on
that we didn't know is I mean, I thought that
Jim O. Fisher would be the total outlier where guys
get bought out with these ridiculous sums of money. I
didn't realize it would be the norm. And this was
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the year where half the SEC was fired and half
of the coaches that were fired were fired before the
midway point in the season. Complete change. This is not
what college football has ever looked like before. And just
so people understand the next thing that's coming is players
are going to get fired early in the season. You
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want to make the employees they're fireable, they'll get fired.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh yeah, how many coaches got new extensions because of
what happened at Penn State?
Speaker 8 (38:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I mean that also happens anytime the Kentucky job gets
up in basketball. Everybody says they're a candidate for the job,
they get it. What I don't think it was just
Penn State though, Dan to be you know, right, like
all these jobs being opened, everybody got an extension. But yeah,
Penn State obviously got Matt Rule an extension, and then
the second it said, like, ed, do we really want
Matt Rule? Like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
And Penn State's been a story all year from what
being a top three team yep, and then getting to
the Oregon game losing in overtime, and then the Law
and then James and now they finished six and six,
they're going to a bowl with the interim coach. It's
just been like if you woke up from a long
slumber or a coma and you looked at Penn State
starting as a top three team to finishing six and
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six with an interim coach.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
You'd be like, what did I miss? Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
What's amazing about it is? I think Dan, you, me
and Sam could probably just vamp on really good games
this year. Georgia Tennessee was amazing. Early in the year,
Alabama Georgia was incredible. Alabama Auburn was really good. This
past weekend, Oregon Indiana was a very good football game.
(39:16):
Texas Ohio State not that great. Texas comeback agains, Mississippi
State was incredible. A and M. Notre Dame A and
M Texas all great games.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Notre Dame Miami is a good game too.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Notre Dame Miami was a good game first of the year, right,
But I and Dan, this maybe is more for you
because you have more historical knowledge of it. I feel like,
because of the college football Playoff, what's the real memorable
game for the year, Like, I don't know where it
is the one because none of them seem that big,
(39:50):
because though they matter, don't totally matter as much as
they used to matter. And so you don't freak out
after a game You're like, well that team season is over,
because it's almost like it's kind of never over. Yeah,
until it's over.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I'll tell you the game and it didn't come down
to the wire, but it's I think that the coaching
carousel is the number one story of this past season.
I agree, I think, and I think that's a negative story.
I think the positive story. I'm gonna say this, I
think if we're looking at positives, Indiana saved college football.
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Indiana Indiana when you look at these and they may
be there for the next eight years, but right now
they are still new to the party after being in
the playoff last year. It's better this year to see
the growth of the team and the program and for
them to be the look at the brands. I mean,
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even like Texas Tech is still new to the party.
But there's just something about Indiana being twelve and zero
where I actually think Saturday's game is more important to
Indiana than outside of a national championship. A winning team
like to be able to show like we are now
the king of the Big Ten Conference. If they were
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to beat Ohio State, I think it means way more
to Indiana than it does Ohio State this Saturday. But
I think that Indiana has been that beacon in college
football when there's just been a lot of negativity with
the coaching firings. It's the same old, same old. It's
the sec plug in this team here, this team there
probably could have been old Miss if link Kiffin didn't leave.
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But he's part of that coaching carousel conversation. So I
think that Indiana has been this this beacon. Vanderbilt as
well in Diego Pavia and his mom. I think I've
been positive for college football, but they're a negative. But Indiana,
to me, he's been the beacon.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I'll tell you this is a more of a minor story.
But so I mean Clemson being just average, Clemson, Florida State,
and Virginia Tech right where Virginia Tech fires their coach.
Flora State came close, but they're like, yeah, we'll give
them another year. And Clemson it's just too expensive to
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fire Dabos Sweeney. It's crazy. Those are hit three historically significant,
big time College twelve programs who are all at best
mediocre at best, And when you consider how the season
started for Flora State, that's a stunner.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
There were also people who said that Clemson had the
best talent in all of college football to start the year.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
They're seven and five, right.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Seven five at least they're not six and seven six
seven seven. Sorry, I just want to any you guys.
I just Jason Stewart wants to murder me right now.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I was random side.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Out and some people have browns for murder.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
With that.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
I was watching Iowa Michigan State last night. It was
Paul Burmeister and Nick Baugh on the broadcast, and one
point one of them did say six to seven and
neither of them reacted to it, and I was like,
thank you, guys, thank you for moving past this.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
They could have, they didn't. Hats off to them.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
I don't know if there's any positive in this. So
as a casual football fan, I just looked up the
odds for the Heisman and I I mean I I
vaguely know these names from the season.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I can't. I can't tell you who who's going with them.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
I honestly am you would think that if if I'm
aware of just by consuming, you know, superficial knowledge of
college football and watching highlights, I would remember like a
standout play that was like a signature moment from a
player among this list.
Speaker 8 (43:39):
I mean, you guys are familiar with.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
Julian saying uh diego, Pavia, Fernando Mendoza. I know, there's
no like signature, like, uh, what's his face? From Michigan
in the nineties had that one signature play You'll never
forget it.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
I just don't. I don't see any of that.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
What's his face? You mean Desmond Howard or Charles Woodson
for that matter. Was it Desmon Howard striking the heisman post?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
It was, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. The Heisman has become
whatever it really has. And I again, I think so
much of it is because of the playoff with all
what about that play? What about the play Mendoza made
when they beat was it? Penn State? Are like does
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it matter that much? Whereas when you do it for
a national championship, like, oh do you remember that play?
So what's gonna happen. They're gonna move the They're gonna
move the voting for the ward after the playoff, and
nothing that happens in the regular season is gonna matter
at all.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Honestly, Penn State Oregon may have been game of the
Year of the year, yeah, fir, but then it falls apart.
I think that the Heisman has decided Saturday in the
Big Ten title game.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I think that if between those two yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think if if Mendoza shines, then it's his for Indiana,
and if Ohio State roles with Saying doing his, I
think it's going to be Sayings.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
And one of those guys just see the top overall pick.
Because also the rumor.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, Saying can't go to the pros yet, so he'll
be back next year.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So I don't think Mendoz is that guy, but I
could be wrong. The interesting about Mendoz is Mendoza was
the guy at CAL last year when they beat Stanford
who was getting all emotional talking about his brothers at
CAL and at the Brotherhood whatever, Like he was like, man,
this has means so much the brotherhood here, Like hey,
you want to come to Indiana play for Nation championship. Yeah,
(45:31):
I'm good, Yeah sure yeah, brothers can be a different locations. Right.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I'd like to throw out one more topic here more
so uh after the fact here Oklahoma from where they
went last year this year, what they I think eight
and five, they finished seventy five with brand vnables and
now ten and two, and they did it with defense,
they did it with Mateer's magic. A lot of those
wins were ugly, but.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Matier wasn't Matier after he got it right, was just
not what it was, just whatever, right.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
But they may just that they've churned out wins and
and they're they're they're back their back.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
That's probably the biggest what if for them. If he
doesn't break his hand then because he was not good
against Texas and rushing back for that.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Game, no, nope, nope, And that.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Is the midway.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
The midway
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want to get to the college football rankings in one second.
I do want to talk about Chris Paul and how
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it's ending in the NBA with him. Isn't it interesting
on how how few of these stars when they're done
it ends well, Like even Peyton Manning who won a
Super Bowl. Remember very unhappy that mid season his last year,
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he was replaced and then he got his job back
at the start of the playoffs, and the defense carried
him because his arm was was shot like that. That's
literally what happens Brett Farves last year. Remember he had
retired again, and then Chile sent three dudes down to Mississippi.
(01:55):
He came back and he had that he had that
Nike had on that looked like it had and he'd
been on the tractor for years with that same hat on.
Remember that one. I mean, you go through some of
these guys. They they end poorly more often than they
end well. And man, Chris Paul, it's one thing to
(02:18):
get cut in what appears to be your last NBA gig.
It's a whole thing to get cut by the Clippers
when he kind of legitimized the Clippers in this era
of Clipper basketball. He was lob City. But it is
in the old you can't go home again. I give you,
(02:38):
Chris Paul, you can't go home again. But I mean,
think about it. A guy who was he's gonna be
a Hall of Fame player. He was head of the
players Association. He's one of the He's one of, if
not the most premiere true point guard we've had in years,
(02:59):
like since Kid, he's probably the best pure point guard.
And yet he goes back to the team that he
brought legitimacy to and couldn't even make it to the
midway point of the season. Then you go with the
Jannison Tennakupo and the agent initiating talks about, Yeah, I
(03:23):
don't know if it's the best place for Yannis to be.
Does anyone think there's any way in which Yannas stays
in Milwaukee? Because I do not. I do not. And
obviously the seed was planted early in the summer when
he said New York was a place that he would consider.
New York never stepped up. But once you start the
(03:44):
idea of trading away Yannis, it's really hard to ever
get that relationship back. And then once Yanna says, hey,
maybe we should take a look at whether or not
this is the place long term, we know what that means.
You know what that means. That means he's going to
be moved. Any doubt, Dan Byer, any doubt in that
(04:08):
I have I personally, without any sort of knowledge as
to what the discussions are. But when you hear that,
you know he's going to be moved. Would you disagree
with that in any way?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
No, No, he should have been moved this past offseason.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean it was the perfect time to move him,
right Lillard Torre's Achilles. This run appears to be dead
and they tried to you know what happens is And again,
you can use this with Chris Paul. You can use
the analogy with Giannis. You can use it with that
anytime something appears to be done and then you're like, hey,
(04:45):
let's just run it back one more time. I always
I love this analogy. Dan, you played basketball, so you
know pick up basketball on a Sunday morning. Picture your
local high school or uh, you know some people it's
a it's a church where they have a gym before
services or after services. Every everys no matter what time
(05:07):
of day it is. There comes a point you're an
hour hour and a half in where the games start
getting a little yanky, and guys have things to do.
You gotta take your kid to school, or go to
a soccer game, or you gotta go and run an
errand and you lose one guy after the next, and
pretty soon you're like, hey, last game, you run it.
It's a decent game. It's over. And then you still
have technically nine ten guys who want to play, and
(05:31):
they turn to you and go, hey, man, you want
to one run one more And you're looking at these
other guys and it appears they all want to go
and do it one more time. It's like, all right, fine,
what happens that last game? Somebody always gets hurt, maybe
somebody catches an elbow and wants to fight. Something always
goes bad when you extend it beyond it's it's actual
du date. And that's what's happened with Chris Paul, Like, hey,
(05:54):
his career really should have been over in Phoenix a
couple of years ago. That was that was the deal.
And for Yannis, to Dan's point, he's right. You know,
you tried to move some things around. You tried the
Lillard thing. That didn't work. Then Lillard tearors is Achille's
ten and you're like, we're not this is another championship team. Well,
(06:15):
we spend all this money on Doc, we spent all
this money these guys. Let's get as much you know,
juice out of that orange as possible, like that thing's
already been squeezed, already been squeezed.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's funny too when you look at just on how
it's transpired. The team is five years removed from winning
their NBA title. It feels like it's ten years, to
be honest with you, like it just feels like it
was a long long time ago. But it's every step
like the next year they and heck even ESPN's putting
it on the screen right now. The next year they
(06:48):
lost to Boston and a game seven in the Eastern
Conference semi finals, and then there's just been nothing since
and they have been caught in limbo. But also you've
got Giannis who's turning thirty one in a couple of days.
Now you wonder what is the package, Like, what could
(07:09):
you actually get for him? He's broken down at the
end of previous seasons over the last couple of years. Sure,
nothing is so now even the point of I'm sure
there may be one team, but again, there was only
one team that Yannis had interest in going to this offseason,
and that was the Knicks. So now the value that
you get back is just and how much is that
(07:32):
team going to want to really believe that Jannis is
a long term solution as opposed to maybe just helping
them bring a title to wherever this year.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, then the other part to Gianniss, he almost has
to be the center. Like the way he plays, He
has to be kind of the guy you go to
and then have everybody else have space around him. And
can you still is he still capable of doing that,
of playing that way, of dominating that same passion.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Yes, A lot of questions.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
A lot of questions, a lot of questions real quick.
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Treaties, Dan Byrum tug Gottlieb,
Jay Stew's Around of course. So as Iowa sam College
fall playoff rankings came out last night and basically here's
where it stands. Okay, the top doesn't truly matter Ohio
(08:24):
State one, Indiana two, although they play this week. So
the question is if if when they lose, one of
them has to lose, right, how far do they fall?
How far do they fall? And then you have Georgia
who plays Alabama. Alabama's at nine, which you would think
(08:46):
it protects them if they lose, You think they're going
to get in Okay, but how far do they drop
if they if they lose to Georgia Texas Tech plays
this week against by u B. Why you would not
they're eleventh in the field. But when you're eleventh in
the field, if you beat Texas Tech, you're in. If
(09:07):
you lose, you're probably out. Then you have Miami and
Texas sitting there waiting hoping, right because you also have
Duke playing this weekend, they get in the College Wroble
playoff that they win this weekend, those would be bid steals. No, wait,
they don't get in.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I had to be brushed up on this too, So Dan,
if you could help me explain Duke. Basically, because they're
not ranked, they only give it's not even technically an
auto qualifier, like you still have to be a high
ranked conference champion in order to get into the playoff, Dan,
anything you want to clean up there.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So in terms of they would take the top five
conference champions, and that doesn't necessarily mean that Duke being
the ACC champion would be one of the top five.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
If Duke could win the ACC championship and be left
out of the playoff, and that actually if they do
win it, that's likely what would happen.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I think, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Believe, I think that they would manipulate the rankings in
a certain way to allow them to be in.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Well, I mean again, the ones that are interesting are
BYU has got to win to be in, right, we
all believe that. I mean, it doesn't they can lose
by a point, we're not getting in with They got
to win to get in, and so that has a
direct effect on everybody ranked above and below them. Alabama.
Alabama is probably the most interesting team this weekend. Right,
(10:29):
they win, like that helps Oklahoma who beat them, Right,
and it obviously solidifies Alabama. And how far does it
knock down Georgia? Well, how far does in the like
the whole thing is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, the big ones are Alabama and BYU. Because what
is set up in terms of BYU losing is the
metric that the committee keeps pointing to is that they
haven't been using the head to head of Notre Dame
in Miami because the teams haven't been next to each other.
So if b Y you would lose, that would mean
that Miami then could move up a spot and would
(11:04):
be next to Notre Dame, and that would allow the
Hurricanes then to flip spots with Notre Dame because they
beat them in the opening week of the season.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
M And then Texas doesn't get that same benefit of
doubt because they're not next to Texas A and M. Right,
they're there behind.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yes, Texas needs a chance with this.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Need Alabama to lose. They need by you lose, right, Yes,
that's what they need to have happened for them to
have any sort of chance. Alabama has to lose. And
then and and if Georgia wins, they they beat george
they lose to Georgia. Wait, who hold on?
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Who Texas lost to Georgia. They got lost to Georgia. Yeah,
they got crushed. Yeah, but Texas has good wins, like
that's the thing is they've but.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
They also want Ohio State to win. It does look
better when if well, Hio State's the number one seed
and they beat you in a close game, that you
want that to happen as well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yes, And Sarkisian even said, and he's been on the
record the past couple of days of not playing high
profile games if they don't make it in they actually
host Ohio State next year. There was a comment made
yesterday on I believe on Sirius XM where you talked
about not playing that game next year.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
There's zero Let me just tell you something right now. Okay,
working in an athletic department, I can tell you right
now there is no chance Texas gets out of that
game next year. None. That game is going to generate
so much revenue for the city of Austin and for
his ever all those tickets because you can charge whatever
(12:42):
you want to get into DKR a's the Daryl Royal Stadium. Okay,
there's no chance of getting out of it now. Will
they play the games in the future. Maybe not. Maybe
he gets out of it, but he ain't getting out
of that one. You get out of a future road game,
you're not getting out of a home.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Game ultimately as well, like when you're the SEC like
we're sitting here arguing about a bunch of SEC schools
as well. And yes, if we focus on the bad losses,
they focus on the bad losses the committee does. I'd
rather focus on the wins than the bad losses, but
that's how they try to split hairs. But it's also
a conference that yeah, right now is at eight conference games,
(13:20):
and if you played nine, maybe you would have more clarity.
Now that doesn't do what's best for the league, but
that may have done what's better for Texas or Alabama
in this situation.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No question, they'd all want to play Kentucky third for
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(13:54):
But again, a lot of this we won't know until
the dust settles after the games this weekend.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
Was Optimist Optimist Climb. That's a great name, Yes, Optimist Climb.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Your nickname recall is great.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
By the way, uh nicknames worked for me? Right, I
feel like I'm gonna be like George George W. Bush.
You know, I just give everybody nicknames that don't actually
make sense. Do you guys? Remember that He's like, hey,
shorty shorty, skinny Chebby. He just start to name it
because he can't remember dude's names. I do remember Josh
Paate's name. That's because he's synonymous with college football. He's
(14:35):
kind of to spend some time with us, as he
has periodically throughout the year. You see him everywhere on three, ESPN,
Yahoo Sports. Course, Colherd heard him on my show. He's like,
I gotta have that guy on because he's a stud.
Josh Pate joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
You are known for Paate State, Penn State still looking
for a coach, Like, what the hell is going on
that nobody wants to go to state college and make
(14:55):
ten million dollars a year?
Speaker 6 (14:57):
Dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad. I didn't
want him to. I mean I didn't support them Fire
and Franklin to begin with. But whatever, I mean, guys
have lost their jobs before that. I thought should get
one more year. But man, like, I don't have to know.
I can look out the window as an outsider and
see fog. But if you're an athletic director, you can
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Here.
Speaker 6 (15:17):
You live in this world. If you're an athletic director
and you're gonna make the move on a coach that
has averaged basically a playoff caliber season over the past
three or four years, Don't you at least have to
have a pretty good working set of knowledge about who
you can acquire, which was void up there. Just we're
gonna fire him and then well we'll let the plane
(15:37):
take off, then we'll figure out how to fix the
landing gear. Mid flight was basically the planet ten states.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy.
I would agree, Like again, it's it's one of those
you know what the the you know what it does
is it completely dismantles and disarms the argument of hey,
we gotta fire a guy early in this season so
we get ahead on the hiring cycle. It's actually been
(16:04):
backfired for them because, you know, because once they fired him, okay,
Nebraska's like, well, we know you're coming after our guy.
We're going to re up him before there's ever a chance,
you know, to get him on campus. That's really what happened.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I'm gonna tell you the other thing. I think LS
you missed the vote here as well. I think LSU
and Penn State now LS you got their coach, So
it's all well and good for them, But we went
through this whole multi week ordeal about if Kiffin takes
the job, will he be able to coach in the playoffs?
And then you got Burje Assbury in the administration at
LSU saying, hey, we would have been fine with him
coaching the playffs. Well, how about this, then, why didn't
(16:37):
you just hang on to Brian Kelly through January? He
could be none the wiser. You could back channel this thing,
keep it ultra quiet. Is it the most ethical move
in the world. No, But I mean, look at the
landscape right now. It's void of any logic, much less ethics.
So I look at Penn State the same way. If
you've got a tight circle and you got folks you
can trust, just back channel the thing. It's purely theatrics
(17:00):
to pretend like you have to have fired your head
coach publicly before you're allowed to begin a coaching search.
There's no law that says that. There's not even a
bylall that says that. But you've got real Look, I
want to be respectful because like I know these guys,
but just some gross incompetence at the wheel right now,
at multiple big time programs.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't think there's any question. You know what's interesting
was I talked to a couple ads and they're like,
you know, the guy who should get the SEC job
versus John Sumrall, and he's kind of got drugged through
a drug over the coles when I don't know, it
feels like Florida actually made a good hire, but because
they didn't get Kiffin, it seems like a negative.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Yeah, here's basically what that equates to. I mean, the
best defense of not laking some role that I have
heard from Florida fans boils down to will we already
try the G five coach from the state of Louisiana,
you know, which is a ken in the real world,
to saying I once dated a girl from Charlotte, North Carolina.
It did not work out. I could never date another
(18:03):
girl from Charlotte, North Carolina. Like the entire pool of
potential bachelorettes there in the Greater Charlotte area, they're permanently poisoned,
the wellest poisoned because one example didn't work out. Of course,
there's no logic. It's void of any logic. I've said
that three times already in the short period that we've
been talking here. But John Somerl's great, Like if you
(18:23):
get down to football, to get down the real brass
tax football type stuff.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
He's great.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
He's Look, if you don't believe me, I don't care.
I mean my opinions. Whatever it is. You said it, though,
go talk to people around the league. Go talk to
people just around the South in general. Talk to NFL scout.
They universally knew it was a matter of when, not if,
he got one of those big time jobs. I will
tell you this, Doug. He wanted that Auburn job bad
(18:48):
and Auburn fumbled it fantastically, and I was ready to
just rip Auburn, but I kept my mouth shut because
sometimes athletic and administration's trip backwards across the finish line
and end up landing softly. And they did. They got
Alex Golish, and he's a really good coach too. But
John wanted that Auburn job. Florida. For all the people
(19:08):
been moaning this higher down there may in three years
be looking at it saying that could have been the
most fortuitous turn of events over that seventy two or
nine in hour period that we ever could have voted.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
For Josh Payton joining us. Synonymous with college college football,
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Josh Paid,
of course has the Josh Paid College Football Show, which
you should watch, listen to download at your leisure, or
check them out on YouTube as well. We were just
having a discussion about the year that has been college football,
(19:38):
and my point was, I can pick apart all the games,
you know, like Dan Byer and I, we watched all
these games. Sam's a Iowa guy, so he watches all
the Iowa games, and we go, this was a great game.
That was a great game, you know, and maybe Ohio
State Indiana is an epic one. Has it changed for
you as somebody who grew up around this and now
(20:02):
talks about it for a living. The energy towards a game,
because who wins and who loses doesn't have as great
an effect on the outcome of the national championship because
the biggest games, for the most part, both those teams
are going anyway. Right Yeah, So I guess that's the
(20:22):
question is of the games this year, are any of
them in the regular season going to be memorable or
they really diminished by the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
It's a really it's a good question, and it's a
weird answer. So my answer is for some of the
regular season games, my biggest spear was the expanded playoff
would delude the value of those regular season games. And
maybe it did a little bit, but in a percentage form,
I would say like five percent. I went to all
the biggest games in the country. I get to pick
wherever I go every week, Like a lot of those
things were still really really big game environments. I will
(20:54):
say this though. It just dawned on me yesterday Number
one and versus Number two were playing Saturday, and I
think back to some of like the Game of the
Century type matchups or a Game of the Millennium type
matchups we've had where one v. Two happens in the
regular season, and I think you're right. Those did feel
infinitely bigger, even as regular season games, than the Big
ten championship game does. And it's because we built a great,
(21:16):
big safety net under it, and that was always going
to be the price you paid for expanding the playoff.
It's also why it just aggrevates me to no end
that we're sitting here at twelve. I still think we
have a fine enough balance, and we've got a complete
mess of the college football calendar, and yet the powers
that be's main focus is how do we expand the playoff?
You know, you got a huge mess over here, and
you got something that's working okay, over there, and all
(21:38):
their attention is over there instead of over here.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, So help me out. How do you so this
is a real discussion, Josh Page joining us here in
the Doug Gottlieb Show. So again, I don't have all
the answers, but I am a college coach, and I
can tell you that at least college basketball did make
one adjustment to the portal calendar last year. The portal
was opened during the NCAA tournament, right, and then it
(22:02):
closed up in the Final four, then opened this year.
I believe it's not open until after the NCAA tournament,
So that that's a positive adjustment. Football is different, okay,
And let me explain, Josh. I know you know this,
this is not for you, but so people understand that
the early signing period starts today, right, and high school
players can enroll early, okay, enroll early as well as
(22:26):
for transfers. Like the idea is, you've got to have
somebody in place for the portal for high school recruiting,
and so you have a team in place at the
start of second semester so that you're gonna have spring football.
So do you have some of these practices before you
get the summer where you don't have enough time in
the summer to make up for it? Okay, how do you,
Josh Pate, adjust the calendar so that we don't have
(22:50):
not only coaches changing jobs when their team is still
playing playing games.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
Yep, all right, So you've got two options here. You
really have no control over. The first one from the
athletic side, and that is the academic calendar. You could
have an alternate universe where, you know, people kind of
acknowledge the reality, and that is that the quote unquote
student athlete exists on campus because of a completely different
reason than the math major. Therefore, you create a separate
(23:15):
student athlete academic calendar. As you know, that's very unrealistic.
If you could do that, you can solve a lot
of problems. So if we assume we live in a
world where that's not possible, then college football has got
to adjust its calendar. And I think what you probably
have to do, and I would hate it because it's
one thousand degrees in the South in late August. But
you probably have to move the start of your season
up a week to where you're that third week in
(23:36):
August kicking off to where you can end your season
third week of November, where your conference championship games are
taking place December or Thanksgiving weekend rather and then you
just four week your playoffs and have your national championship
on New Year's Day, and then you go National Signing
Day shortly thereafter and portal windows shortly after that. That's
(23:57):
the only optum I make.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
I would say there's one other option, and I think
Saban sort of said it, which is I think what
you gotta do is you gotta cut the spring and
fire up the summer. I think that's what you gotta do,
you know. I mean, And for people don't understand, again,
you can't for basketball. We can do eight hours, but
(24:20):
it has to be four and four. So we get
four hours a week in the summer for basketball, and
it helps, but again it's still very very difficult. You
don't have time to have real practice. Like, look, reality
is all of these programs that we're top our four programs.
I would guess by now they all have indoors, so
weather's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot
(24:42):
and you don't have an indoor one you better build one,
and you're not getting coaches or players, and two you
can do it in the morning. But again the counter
to it is because because the argument is, hey, we
need those practices, we need to get our young guys
up and going we build a new team. I think
the only way to do it is, you know, maybe
you maybe you cut off early and early enrollees and
(25:06):
then you have summer practice or you have a certain
number of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,
even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,
they can, But that you can either bank the practices
for the summer that we're supposed to be in the spring,
something like that. I think that works.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
A lot of ads that I've talked to and a
lot of coaches that I've talked to strongly prefer that
you can always tell the guys who have coached pro ball.
So the second that's mentioned, they just say, yeah, that's
just a fancy way of saying OTAs, and yes, I'm
all for it. And yes, it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look,
that stuff just makes my head spin because I'm a
visual guy, so it's hard for me to mentally see
the calendar, much less all the dates on the calendar.
(25:46):
But when guys whose opinions I trust all start to
align behind something, I usually shut up and listen to it.
And that's one that's been floated around a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load
you up with some mo and you can pick it
apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it
when I talk about it on my show. Okay, you
ready for it? Go. Lots of people are saying, hey,
I don't want to punish, for example, Ole Miss's players
for Lane Kiffin's departure. I don't think you punish him. Okay,
(26:14):
I think we're looking at this all wrong. I don't
think Florida State was punished. I think Florida State was
appropriately evaluated as being inferior to their where they were
in the regular season two years ago when the quarterback
went down. I think that's the the Old Miss thing.
If you move them down seed wise or whatever you
do with them, you're not punishing them. You're trying to
(26:36):
figure out who the best teams are. And I don't
think anybody would argue they're not as good without Lane
Kiffin as they were with Lane Kiffin, much the way
you'd say with the quarterback. Do you know you are?
Are you okay with pushing back on the punished word?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's
all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things
that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we
saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,
so if you wanted to go that route, like our
eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on
the field. Now, my whole thing during that period was
(27:12):
that committee did not say best teams. They said most
deserving teams. And then at the eleventh hour, I vividly
remember it, Doug Bill Hancock goes on some interview like
it wasn't even an official platform or anything, and he
just casually said, you know, the term most deserving is
not in our lexicon, it's best. Well, once you say that,
(27:34):
I don't really even care if I think you're punishing
them or not, Like we can argue over semantics if
we're trying to put the best teams in there, who
are essentially power rating teams at that point, and no
Florida State would have no business there. But even applying that,
how does one apply that to Ole Miss right now?
Because there's season's over, we will have never even seen
them without Lane Kiffin or without some of his staff.
(27:55):
And I really don't know how you even quantify the impact.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Agreed, Uh, does Alabama get in if they lose?
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame
has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a
couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally
admitted it in their rankings last night.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
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so I filmed a little digital ad for the game.
And right now, it's not terribly cold. I mean, if
you're in Santa Barbara when it's twenty six and it
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sdu when I wake up two degrees.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Two degrees, that's awesome. And I love the fact that
you're playing the Big West. I've been to the Thunderdomement
in times, watched the Galagos, including last year when Sam
ordered at least three hot dogs and the half that
he was there, Yes, he showed up at halftime. No,
I got there during the first half. I think I missed.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I mean I think I missed like seven minutes of
the of the half, but I did have probably three
or four hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Actually, Jay s Dou, I actually have big news for.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
You in marchrodizing the place.
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Big bigness to you in Mark time. I believe we
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Titan Jim Jim, I've played. I've I've played at Titan Gym,
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played at Titan Gym more because we used to play
pick up basketball there all the time, all the time,
(30:18):
all the time, so pretty fired up that I not
not officially official, but unofficially official. But I expect you
and Mark Stein to be court side.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
That's my I'll bring the Walker brothers to uh nice
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It's not getting the middle, it's time for it's getting
(31:22):
the middle.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
All right, Jay stew what's the topic the midway?
Speaker 8 (31:28):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Thank you, take it from here.
Speaker 8 (31:32):
The uh.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
It looks like the consensus on the group text was this,
we're gonna uh, we're gonna recap post mortem the regular
season of college football. Now the jumping off point, I'd
like to do kind of a flashback the Wednesday midway
before the start of the regular season, we did our
one storyline we are most intrigued by going into the season.
(31:57):
I'm gonna give you those four and you guys could
choose in this in the next ten minutes to talk
about those things that maybe you had brought to the table,
or you could just choose another thing. I just want
to know you're you're kind of like a big takeaway
storyline from the season that you enjoyed following the most
(32:18):
or were most surprised by. So here it was our
four stories coming into the season that we were most
intrigued by. Was will Dion Sanders after losing his son,
lose interest and it won't have a good season? That
turned out that way? Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Who was that? By the way?
Speaker 8 (32:37):
That that was mine? That was mine?
Speaker 7 (32:39):
Bill Belichick? What kind of a season is he going
to have that didn't turn out too well? That Arch Manning?
I forgot who brought that to the table? Arch Manning?
Is he going to live up to the hype? That
didn't work out too well? And then Caitlin de boor
is he going to be the next Mike Shula or
the next nixt Saban?
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (33:00):
I think that was yours, Dougie. I think you.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I feel like Kalin Devor was your guy. I don't
remember what mine was.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Everybody wanted him fired after week one. Then he was
the guy. Then he wasn't the guy. Now there are
people that think that if he loses Saturday, he'll go
take the Penn stage job.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
The North Carolina story was so much of a train
wreck that it wasn't even a like a nice train wreck,
Like it was just such a mess.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Right, he wasn't aware of a nice train wreck ever before.
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
I know what you mean, like fugitive train wreck, like
where like the cars were just scattered all over what he's.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Saying, Like, it wasn't it wasn't even fun. It got
it got to the punchs where like this is not
even fun.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, just ridiculous. He thought that there would be something
of standards of commitment, and it was just a circus
all season long.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Well, I would, I would, I agree with you, Dan.
I would also say that we really don't know the
level of dysfunction. I think, me just being honest, I
think what was reported by what's his name does all
the investigative journalism, basically for the entire industry. What was
(34:17):
what was reported by Pablo was so damaging that everything
became every game, everything became about that, right, and and Basically,
Pablo is like, he might not even make it to
the season. It's such a disaster. And he was right,
it was a disaster. I don't know if he's writ
in terms of what was actually going on behind the scenes.
(34:39):
Again he hasn't missed yet. But again, this was this
was just this was without receipts. We don't know. And
I can also tell you that yet you're holding a
guide to the standard that we're used to with him
as an NFL coach is sort of ridiculous when you're
a college coach. And I did say, when you got
(35:00):
seventy new players, you're not going to win. You're just
not especially when you never coach college football before. It's
so hard. Now year two, year three, there has to
be has to be improvement, and I would guess there
will be, But I agree with you, Dan, it was
not even fun. I did see a lot of myself
in what was going on there, where the reality is
they just didn't have good enough players.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, well you didn't have Jordan Hudson interfering in everything.
And there's another there's another aspect of this because we
look at Belichick, and we look at Belichick's assistant and
look at what Matt Patricia did at Ohio State. So
Matt Patricia failed as an NFL head coach and then
failed in his return to New England in coaching the
(35:43):
offense and coaching the quarterbacks. And Bill Belichick failed at
North Carolina. And while Ohio State does have great talent,
they did have to replace a lot of talent on defense,
and they became even better on defense with Matt Patricia
leading it, which maybe is in a surprise when we say, well,
of course he learned from Bill Belichick, but that also
(36:03):
then tells you how dysfunctional things have gotten around Belichick
that he can't even rely on his defense or the
stuff that he knows. I get worked for Matt Patricia,
and it was a complete mess in Chapel Hill.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
The fair point, did we think, though, in terms of
wins and losses, that it would be kind of around
five and seven, four and eight, they finished four. I
don't think we knew. I don't think we had any idea, right,
I mean, I didn't think they go bold. I really
didn't know much about the personnel. I just felt like
it would just be a season though where there.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I think any of us say we knew about North
Carolina football. I think we're fooling ourselves. And I think
that we thought that, well, maybe Belichick fresh start, Heck,
he knows more about football than anybody. He'll be able
to win them the five, six or seven games. And
I don't even think it got to the point of
that where it didn't matter if he could be a
(36:58):
mastermind and school some of these college head coaches.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
A losing streak, including a bad loss at NC State.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
And yeah, and they but they also they had probably
two games they should have won. Was the Cow game,
I think, which was one.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, they lost three to Cal.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
There's two that they should have won there late as well.
And I think that the one topic we missed on
that we didn't know is I mean, I thought that
Jim O. Fisher would be the total outlier where guys
get bought out with these ridiculous sums of money. I
didn't realize it would be the norm. And this was
(37:34):
the year where half the SEC was fired and half
of the coaches that were fired were fired before the
midway point in the season. Complete change. This is not
what college football has ever looked like before. And just
so people understand the next thing that's coming is players
are going to get fired early in the season. You
(37:55):
want to make the employees they're fireable, they'll get fired.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh yeah, how many coaches got new extensions because of
what happened at Penn State?
Speaker 8 (38:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I mean that also happens anytime the Kentucky job gets
up in basketball. Everybody says they're a candidate for the job,
they get it. What I don't think it was just
Penn State though, Dan to be you know, right, like
all these jobs being opened, everybody got an extension. But yeah,
Penn State obviously got Matt Rule an extension, and then
the second it said, like, ed, do we really want
Matt Rule? Like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
And Penn State's been a story all year from what
being a top three team yep, and then getting to
the Oregon game losing in overtime, and then the Law
and then James and now they finished six and six,
they're going to a bowl with the interim coach. It's
just been like if you woke up from a long
slumber or a coma and you looked at Penn State
starting as a top three team to finishing six and
(38:49):
six with an interim coach.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
You'd be like, what did I miss? Well, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
What's amazing about it is? I think Dan, you, me
and Sam could probably just vamp on really good games
this year. Georgia Tennessee was amazing. Early in the year,
Alabama Georgia was incredible. Alabama Auburn was really good. This
past weekend, Oregon Indiana was a very good football game.
(39:16):
Texas Ohio State not that great. Texas comeback agains, Mississippi
State was incredible. A and M. Notre Dame A and
M Texas all great games.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Notre Dame Miami is a good game too.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Notre Dame Miami was a good game first of the year, right,
But I and Dan, this maybe is more for you
because you have more historical knowledge of it. I feel like,
because of the college football Playoff, what's the real memorable
game for the year, Like, I don't know where it
is the one because none of them seem that big,
(39:50):
because though they matter, don't totally matter as much as
they used to matter. And so you don't freak out
after a game You're like, well that team season is over,
because it's almost like it's kind of never over. Yeah,
until it's over.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I'll tell you the game and it didn't come down
to the wire, but it's I think that the coaching
carousel is the number one story of this past season.
I agree, I think, and I think that's a negative story.
I think the positive story. I'm gonna say this, I
think if we're looking at positives, Indiana saved college football.
(40:24):
Indiana Indiana when you look at these and they may
be there for the next eight years, but right now
they are still new to the party after being in
the playoff last year. It's better this year to see
the growth of the team and the program and for
them to be the look at the brands. I mean,
(40:45):
even like Texas Tech is still new to the party.
But there's just something about Indiana being twelve and zero
where I actually think Saturday's game is more important to
Indiana than outside of a national championship. A winning team
like to be able to show like we are now
the king of the Big Ten Conference. If they were
(41:06):
to beat Ohio State, I think it means way more
to Indiana than it does Ohio State this Saturday. But
I think that Indiana has been that beacon in college
football when there's just been a lot of negativity with
the coaching firings. It's the same old, same old. It's
the sec plug in this team here, this team there
probably could have been old Miss if link Kiffin didn't leave.
(41:28):
But he's part of that coaching carousel conversation. So I
think that Indiana has been this this beacon. Vanderbilt as
well in Diego Pavia and his mom. I think I've
been positive for college football, but they're a negative. But Indiana,
to me, he's been the beacon.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I'll tell you this is a more of a minor story.
But so I mean Clemson being just average, Clemson, Florida State,
and Virginia Tech right where Virginia Tech fires their coach.
Flora State came close, but they're like, yeah, we'll give
them another year. And Clemson it's just too expensive to
(42:08):
fire Dabos Sweeney. It's crazy. Those are hit three historically significant,
big time College twelve programs who are all at best
mediocre at best, And when you consider how the season
started for Flora State, that's a stunner.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
There were also people who said that Clemson had the
best talent in all of college football to start the year.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
They're seven and five, right.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
Seven five at least they're not six and seven six
seven seven. Sorry, I just want to any you guys.
I just Jason Stewart wants to murder me right now.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
I was random side.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Out and some people have browns for murder.
Speaker 6 (42:49):
With that.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
I was watching Iowa Michigan State last night. It was
Paul Burmeister and Nick Baugh on the broadcast, and one
point one of them did say six to seven and
neither of them reacted to it, and I was like,
thank you, guys, thank you for moving past this.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
They could have, they didn't. Hats off to them.
Speaker 7 (43:06):
I don't know if there's any positive in this. So
as a casual football fan, I just looked up the
odds for the Heisman and I I mean I I
vaguely know these names from the season.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
I can't. I can't tell you who who's going with them.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
I honestly am you would think that if if I'm
aware of just by consuming, you know, superficial knowledge of
college football and watching highlights, I would remember like a
standout play that was like a signature moment from a
player among this list.
Speaker 8 (43:39):
I mean, you guys are familiar with.
Speaker 7 (43:41):
Julian saying uh diego, Pavia, Fernando Mendoza. I know, there's
no like signature, like, uh, what's his face? From Michigan
in the nineties had that one signature play You'll never
forget it.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
I just don't. I don't see any of that.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
What's his face? You mean Desmond Howard or Charles Woodson
for that matter. Was it Desmon Howard striking the heisman post?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (44:08):
It was, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. The Heisman has become
whatever it really has. And I again, I think so
much of it is because of the playoff with all
what about that play? What about the play Mendoza made
when they beat was it? Penn State? Are like does
(44:29):
it matter that much? Whereas when you do it for
a national championship, like, oh do you remember that play?
So what's gonna happen. They're gonna move the They're gonna
move the voting for the ward after the playoff, and
nothing that happens in the regular season is gonna matter
at all.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Honestly, Penn State Oregon may have been game of the
Year of the year, yeah, fir, but then it falls apart.
I think that the Heisman has decided Saturday in the
Big Ten title game.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I think that if between those two yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I think if if Mendoza shines, then it's his for Indiana,
and if Ohio State roles with Saying doing his, I
think it's going to be Sayings.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
And one of those guys just see the top overall pick.
Because also the rumor.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, Saying can't go to the pros yet, so he'll
be back next year.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
So I don't think Mendoz is that guy, but I
could be wrong. The interesting about Mendoz is Mendoza was
the guy at CAL last year when they beat Stanford
who was getting all emotional talking about his brothers at
CAL and at the Brotherhood whatever, Like he was like, man,
this has means so much the brotherhood here, Like hey,
you want to come to Indiana play for Nation championship. Yeah,
(45:31):
I'm good, Yeah sure yeah, brothers can be a different locations. Right.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
I'd like to throw out one more topic here more
so uh after the fact here Oklahoma from where they
went last year this year, what they I think eight
and five, they finished seventy five with brand vnables and
now ten and two, and they did it with defense,
they did it with Mateer's magic. A lot of those
wins were ugly, but.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Matier wasn't Matier after he got it right, was just
not what it was, just whatever, right.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
But they may just that they've churned out wins and
and they're they're they're back their back.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
That's probably the biggest what if for them. If he
doesn't break his hand then because he was not good
against Texas and rushing back for that.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Game, no, nope, nope, And that.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Is the midway.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
The midway
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