December 4, 2025 • 48 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug previews the Thursday Night matchup between the Lions and Cowboys as Dan Beyer brings up a point about Dan Campbell that you may not have thought about before today.
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give you all all of the picks in college football
this weekend. Who next hour we'll have we'll discuss the
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Browns Titans, which could be the toilet Bowl, right, the
toilet Bowl if it's bowl game in the NFL, or
it's Shadoor versus cam Ward. Daniel Jeremiah will join us
next hour. We'll get his thoughts on how Shador played. Uh,
And we'll also get you ready for this NFL weekend,
and we'll get a little Herbie update, Little Justin Herbert
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playing on a surgically repaired left hand, but expectations are
he will play this weekend a lot. To get to
what if I told you? What if I told you
that I was going to compare the Dallas Cowboys with
my Green Bay Phoenix, Like, Okay, that's a stretch. No, no, no,
it's it's not really.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
There's a an NFL game night in a college basketball
game night, and I kind of think I kind of
think there's some similarities there. Jay Stu, you like to
pick holes in these things. You are in search of
the opposite of whatever BS is, right, that's you know
you love content. I'm gonna give you some content. You'd
tell me if it's too much of its armstrong. Tonight,
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the Dallas Cowboys take out the Detroit Lions. Dallas coming
off big win on Thanksgiving Day and proving many myself included,
who thought they would they were playing for a draft
pick next year, wrong, that they're actually pretty good. Now,
are they great? No, I don't think anybody would argue otherwise.
But they're way better then I would say any of
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us non Cowboy fans thought possible. I think that's a
very easy like there's grandiose statements you can make, which
people go like, not really, because as much as I
could say they're way better than anyone would have thought,
there's plenty of Dallas Cowboy fans who think every year like, oh,
win super Bowl. So when I say they're way better,
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I mean they're way better than any of us could
have thought, could have fought and any of us non
Cowboy fans. So non Cowboy fans, if you ask yourself honestly,
when they trade away Micah Parsons, when they hired their
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offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer as their head coach, you're like, yeah,
it could be bad this year, bad bad, and they've
been pretty good. But coming off of that win, the
key to being really good is consistency, and you get
a chance to do it against a team who had
kind of been the darling of the NFL the past
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couple years, Like we could do an entire show on
the Lions on they're going through what the Eagles have
gone through, not just this season but the previous time.
They were in the Super Bowl, where people poach your
coordinators and it takes you while to kind of figure
out who you are, who's gonna call the plays, what
you're gonna look like, how you're gonna play for the Cowboys,
they haven't. They've proven the doubters wrong in terms of
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them stinking. So they're good, they're fine, they're above average,
or if they're mediocre, their average. You win tonight and
you're like, oh, okay, well that's different, right, that's different.
You beat the Chiefs, and again the Chiefs are not
the Chiefs of old, but you did beat the Chiefs
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in the most watched NFL regular season game in the
history of the sport. Everybody saw it. Now you get
a chance to back it up with a team that
also still trying to find themselves. Okay, so where's the
parallel with my team? I give it to you. We
play Robert Morris tonight. Robert Morris won the league, won
the League tournament. Now they've lost most of their team
from last year, but they did have I'm a lot
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more money than us, and they went out and got
a good and they have a good team. They're good,
just like the Lions are good. They're still trying to
figure out, like who they are this year as opposed
to who they are last year. They're playing differently. My team,
everybody thought we're gonna think gonna be stunk last year.
I wouldn't just think this year. Win a couple of games,
all right, So we're not as bad as people outside
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of our building think. But in order to be considered good,
you got to back it up with consistency. You got
to back it up with some consistency because otherwise it's
just a win and it's just you're not terrible. We
can't make fun of you as much, but we don't
necessarily respect you and think you're good. Same with the Cowboys,
same with the Green Bay Phoenix. Chase do how am
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I doing?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's good?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, I think the analogy face value is accurate. I
think that there are there's quite a bit of difference
in the construct right, Oh yeah, professional sports is different. There.
The Cowboys can switch out all fifty three players this
year as you did, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But yeah, but but in fairness, like we lost Anthony Roy,
the nation's leading scorer. He's a Oklahoma State now from
last year, right, and they trade away Michael Parsons. I
didn't trade again. There are some very loose parallels, but
the point is that's what I feel like tonight's game
is about. For the Cowboys, It's about they've already earned
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at least my respect and I think better. And Dak
Prescott's been really good for the most part this year,
not the whole, not the whole season. I've never been
a big Dak guy. I always thought Dak was better
than anybody, kind of like the Cowboys, better than anybody
thought he could be, but not elite. He's looked like
an elite quarterback at many times this year, many times,
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and considering what he's dealing with in terms of the
overall personnel, the defense trying to figure themselves out, you know,
he's done really well. George Pickens, who was a complete
pain that you know what with the Pittsburgh Steelers, has
not been a pain. So whatever he's doing off the field,
not just on the field, but get in the football.
But in terms of relationship building with Pickens has never
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stepped up and going like hey this guy stinks or
made a big He hasn't had any of the stuff
that he had in Pittsburgh. Uh. There's also the lion's
side to it, which is I what I see in
Dan Campbell is what uh I think there's there's it's
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just interesting and that there's nothing wrong with the plays
that he's calling, but there's a rhythm to it. They're
just plays. There's not an offense. There's not a we're
doing this to come back and do that. It's down
in distance and play calling and selection and and and there's.
It really is an art. I mean, it's like if
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you watch the Browns on Schdor's first touchdown, Onor's touchdown drive,
when you threw a touchdown pass. First eight plays were
run place, but they were all kind of different and
you're all like, wow, that again, it's all a setup,
set up, set up, set up, setup. You're gonna go here,
we're gonna go there, march down the field, and then
right when you think we're only running football, boom, we
hit you with the play action. We score a touchdown.
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I think Campbell's not there as a play college, not
something he's ever done before. Again, I can see part
of myself in that last year. Right now, I have
more help. Now, I have somebody really really helped me
and understanding and even teaching me timing of and I
have a better feel for it. Whereas Dan Campbell's never
called plays before, I've seen people tell him say he
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should have been calling plays earlier, maybe or maybe had
somebody that he felt like was more experienced calling plays.
Call plays and then keep your hands off fit because
that's what's worked for them. But this is an interesting
Thursday night football game. Most of them are not most
of them are not well played, most of the teams
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are not well rested. You can't make that case because
both of these teams played last Thursday, so they've had
the full amount of rest. That does not mean that
the product will be as good as the product should be.
But in a game in which the Lions are sitting
there going like games where we could fall out of
the playoffs and the Cowboys are trying to sneak into
the playoffs, the Cowboys are trying to do more than
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just earn everybody's respect. They're trying to prove that they're good.
And the Lions will you to in a row on home?
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Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. H Dan Byer,
what's up, Danny?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What he got?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
So what I think is interesting tonight is if you
look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You mentioned Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
There was a point that Dallas had Kellen Moore as
their offensive coordinator and the thought was, oh, my goodness,
we can't let Kellen Moore go because look at what
he's doing with this Dallas offense. Well, Kellen Moore was
ultimately let go, and the Cowboys ended up having a
better offense the year after Kellen Moore left than my
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McCarthy was looked at as the guy that is this
is well, maybe it was his offense after all. Well,
ultimately McCarthy doesn't return on his contract and Brian Schottenheimer
takes over as the offensive coordinator, and so far, so good.
To your point about the expectations. My question is this,
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is there going to become a point in Detroit where
they wish they had Ben Johnson instead of Dan Campbell. Yes,
And I think that's probably the case as well. And
I think like tonight is an opportunity for Dan Campbell
to show and the Lions to show that even down
that they still have that pride, that grit and everything
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that came with it. And I think that the reason
why the Lions wouldn't have been gutsy enough to make
that move because it would probably ruin the culture in
the locker room. But if that would have been a
short term thing and you could have kept Ben Johnson
for the long term, maybe that would have been your move.
But I'm wondering if we're seeing two ships passing in
the night tonight, maybe Cowboys Ascendingane's descending. But I think
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now we're going to start to have those conversations considering
how well things have.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Gone for the Bears in year one with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And their history for this Right that we've seen this
movie before. Right, wasn't didn't wasn't Dick Vermeal convinced to
retire so that Mike martzl could have sent a head coach.
What was is Steve Bolotti convinced to step down or
move aside for Chip Kelly.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yes, Steve, his brother Steve was also in within the
coaching ranks.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah no, no, no, So so this is actually an
interesting discussion. Like a side note, and again, if if
I'm talking too much about my basketball team, you guys
feel free to at least send me a text, or
you can just say it. I don't care on here,
but it is interesting. The it's the idea when I
first took a took a head coaching job, I said it,
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I meant it, which is hire people who know what
you don't know and then let them work.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I just again, it was a weird time of year
and I thought I knew what I needed, and in
short order, I did the best that I could. This year,
I feel like I've done that. Additionally, in addition to
hiring somebody to run the offense, helping with the offense
and run the defense, is I have an understudy on
the defense. If and when my defensive coordinator chooses to
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retire and offensively again, I would be the de facto
and I'm still kind of de facto play caller, but
I've been given so much help in the building blocks
of it and the teaching of it. I do know
what I would be looking for. I think the Dan
Campbell what's happened to his program, if you will, is
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he's had incredible success, but you have to prepare on
some level for the inevitability of losing players and coaches
in that success. And he's trying to do something that
he's never done. That he doesn't and I'm not saying
he does it poorly, but it's really hard if you
haven't done it before to suddenly become a play caller.
And then he did in mid season, and I get it.
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He played in the league, he was a tight end.
He's been a head coach before his interim, he's been
a tight ends coach. He knows generally how it works.
But I think that what's interesting is if you asked
any of us without ever working for Dan Campbell, right,
I'll ask you, Dan Byer, what do you think the
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what's the secret sauce to Dan Campbell? What has made
him successful and really really well liked by the players
that seem to play.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well I think that he's a former player and can
connect with them at that level.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So he is he is.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's a Tomlin type. He is a John Harbaugh type.
A granted John Harbaugh didn't play whatever, but he is
a guy who you can't pin down any one thing.
He does schematically, he knows football, but there he gets
him to play hard. For him, I've played together, play hard,
and he gets them to the believe that, Hey, he
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hires former players to help be his coaches. Like he's
all about the players, right, that's the strength. He's not
the book nerd, he's not the play caller, he's not
the schematic guy. He's the energy guy. Right, So you
got to hire guys that do all that. And it
feels like he missed on coordinator because he was super
loyal and appointed a guy from within. But he wasn't
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ready for that. And now he's doing something which is
not necessarily what he does best. Whereas Brian Schottenheimer, I
guarantee he didn't touch the defense. He got nothing to
do with the defense. He's got to hire somebody trust him,
and then he handles the offense that and then generally
coaches the team in the way that he feels best
and he's done a good job at that. I just
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thought there was some parallels there.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Thought, No, I think it's fair.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I also think when you just look at the situation
on paper, like there's no way that you would fire
Dan Campbell, and the collateral damage of firing Dan Campbell
would maybe crumble everything that he's built. But if you're
a Lions and you look at what Ben Johnson's done
in year one and what could have continued in Detroit, like,
I think that this season is obviously the start of
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it because Ben Johnson's no longer there and is now
in Chicago and having success. But I mean, should they
have made the really really difficult decision saying we wanted
the offensive coordinator, we didn't want the head coach. And
I know it's crazy it's to sound like that, But
if we look back in five or ten years and
the Bears are having great success and Dan Campbell's message
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gets old and they don't have the success, Detroit's probably
going to rue the day that they let Ben Johnson go.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, I just I agree with you that that will
be probably the sentiment if he doesn't nail the offensive
coordinator higher in the offense season.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That'll be the hindsight, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Right, But I also don't think it was actually possible.
Like Dan Campbell was so unbelievably well liked and he
got so much of the credit. It's like, you're not wrong,
but they're like, reality is like, you can't fire Dan Campbell.
You just can't, could you? I mean, played babe. At
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some point Ben Johnson wanted to be a head coach.
The Bears was the one he had his eye on,
and that was the one he got. I do think
that making it worse is that he is in divisions
and now you see him twice a year, You're like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But I also don't think there's any reality where they
could have coming off of the first consecutive quality seasons
in our lifetime that the Lions have ever had, Right, Like,
the Lions have literally been a punchline for a long time.
Not as bad for the most part as the Aints
Saints where they are now and where they were when
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we were kids, not as bad as some of these
other teams, but they just consistently sucked for a long time.
You suddenly bring them to you. You're the focal point.
You bring them to respectability and then they go like, hey,
we want your offense according to coach, Like there's just
no reality to it. Even though you're not wrong, you're
actually right, Like in terms of football coach, they had
to have Ben Johnson and not having another guy ready
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when and you had a year lead up. That's the
other part to it. It's like, hey, you had a
year knowing Ben Johnson could have taken a job the
year before, didn't was gonna take a job this year.
You had to have somebody just bollm around, be that
guy and be ready for the second that he takes
the job. And they didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, Tanner Angstrom two left with Aaron Glenn to go
to New York and he was the passing game coordinator
for the Lions under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So there was more. You know, they've lost more on
that offensive coaching staff than just Ben Johnson himself.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
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Let's talk about Herbert. Okay, So he is a broken
bone in his hand and yet they expect him to
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play on Monday night. How does that work?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Well, you know, it's it's two parts of protection, and
you know, you get the plate on the inside to
protect and then you're gonna have to wear the you know,
the glove with the pad over it to protect it
from the outside. So I mean to me, I guess
it ends up being more of a pain tolerance issue
than a risk for him going forward. And the fact
that it's on its left hand. But I was just
listening to you before it came on, and I saw
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the same thing that you saw when I saw Jalen
Carter had surgery on both shoulders and it's be week
to week. I'm like, if I had surgery on both
my shoulders, like, I'm hoping I'm healthy by next Christmas.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Sure, sure, no question about it. Incredible stretch here for
the Bolts, right Eagles at home, they go to the Chiefs,
they go to the Cowboys before they finished with Texans
at home, and then to the Bronx to the Broncos. Brutal,
just just just brutal. Okay, But and and they they
got a little bit of a g right game with
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the Raiders. What's their health status outside of Herbert because
they were so beating up early in the year.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Well, I think there it sounds like they're gonna get
some guys back here. You know, we'll see with Amri
and Hamptons close to being back last week, we'll see
if he's ready to go for this Monday night game.
But getting him back, I think you have a nice
one to two punch there with what you see from
Kamani Vydell coming off a huge game against the Raiders.
He's been really, really solid, So that should fortify that
Tito Aemonia coming back to the defensive tackle, you know,
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they get a little bit healthier there along that defensive line,
they can roll some guys through, which would be nice.
And you know, I think more than anything else then
settling on an offensive line, you know, in terms of
the tackle position, and Jamari Sawyer, you know, taking over
at left tackle where he started fifteen games for a
playoff team a few years ago with the Chargers, and
that's where he played in college. I think that's where
he's most comfortable after auditioning a bunch of different people there.
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I think they've kind of settled in with Pipkins being
back healthy at right tackle and saw you're at left tackle.
So I think they're in a you know, they're in
a better spot than they've been here maybe in the
last month.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Cowboys in
Lions tonight. Let's start with the Cowboys again. You're gonna
see them in person coming up next week or in
two week. Excuse me as the charger of travel to Arlington.
What's your reaction though, to the fact that they're they're
kind of better than decent. They're actually sort of good
in comparison to what we thought coming into the year.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well, I talked to a defensive line coach in the
NFL last week, and you know, I just said, you know,
what have you seen from offenses and who've seen what's
impressed you? And he said, the Cowboys offense the best
offense we've seen this year. Yeah, that's a it's a problem.
The offensive line is really good, quarterbacks playing at a
high level, and really George Pickens has been better than
Ceedee Lamb. So they've had you know, they've had a nice,
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nice run here offensively and I think defensively that you know,
as great as Michael Parsons is this this fit works
with them with this three defensive tackle group that they've
got now of guys that can not only hold up
against the on but can get you some interior pressure
which can be pretty disruptive. So they're playing better on
that side of the ball. They're playing really well, I
mean to be honest, like getting ready for the Eagles.
The Cowboys playing you know, I beat them, but they're
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they're they're on the whole, but just playing better football
than the Eagles as of late.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
They absolutely are. What about the Lions, You know, they
lose to the Packers. Now they get a week prepare
for the Cowboys. But what are your thoughts on the
play calling? Is Dan Campbell's taking over a couple weeks ago?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of rhythm to it.
It feels a little disjointed. And I know they've had
some injuries and the am and Ross Saint Brown injuries big.
We'll see what happens with him tonight. But I you know,
it seems like the last couple of years, injuries have
really hit them at the wrong time. You saw it
again with Terry and Arnold being done for the year
at corner, So you know, I think it's more than
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just hey, you got to find their rhythm and their
flow offensively and get Jared Goff cooking. To me, it's
it's just a it's just a team that hasn't found
a way to be at their best at that the
most important time, which is as we come down in
the home stretch.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
We've we've got a chance to see Shaduur twice now
as a starter. We didn't have you on last week
obviously with Thanksgiving and everything else going on. What's your
assessment of how he's played.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I think he's done some good things, you know, taking
some shots down the field, which has been good to see,
which that offense hadn't done much of. But I also
think he's, you know, he's missing some things where there's
opportunities there and he's getting to his check down a
little bit early. So he's getting some completions, which is
a good thing for a young quarterback, but he has
missed out on some opportunities there, but I think he's
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shown enough that I'd want to see more. Continue to
give him really the rest of you know, the rest
of this season, to see what you have. I feel like,
to me, Dylan Gabriel's is a quality backup and that's
who he is and what he is. Where his Shauduur
I think has more upside. So I'd be curious to see,
you know, what does he look like with this stretch
of games and is it enough to you know, to
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show you that he could at least have a chance
to compete, if not be that guy going forward. I'd
like to I'd like to use these games to figure
that out.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I agree with you. I mean again, I don't. I again,
I'm just talking to people. They say he has some traits,
but it has there's there's also a lot of negatives
that have been there. He's missing some of the Reid stuff,
which you can clean up over time. He has to
either be the starter or they have to move him.
That's my assessment, because you can't.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, to me, Dylan Gabriel has a place. Dylan Gabriel
is the two. He is the two for this team
in the future. He's the He's kind of like the
prototypical backup quarterback. To me, Chudour is in a different boat.
He's going to be the starter, or you try and
move him to somebody else that will give him him
that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
What's wrong with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
He didn't have the same juice or twitch. And I
don't know if that's just the health thing, if it's
getting older, if that's you know, pacing himself through the
season to try and be ready to go for the postseason.
I'm curious to see what he looks like this week
in a big game against the Steelers, because I just
haven't seen that same suddenness and burst and I haven't
seen the ball jump out of his hand either. It
just looks I don't know says he's heard or he's
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getting older or what it is, but it just hasn't
been anywhere near as crisp.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Uh. The Kansasity Chiefs, they've lost three out their last four. Now,
good news is they get the Texans on Sunday night,
then they get the Chargers at home. They got the
Titans that looks like a win on the road, and
then the Bronx. They have three at home and a
ninety chance of winning on the road, but they have
dug themselves a massive hole. Do they have that gear
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to down shift to get to the nine or ten
wins it's going to take.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I don't think they're gonna get by this game. I mean,
if if you told me you're in a do or
die situation, you've got your offensive line issues now with
the left tackle being out and Simmons, and you told me, I,
could you know rank the teams that I'd want to play,
and they got to have it must win game. The
last team I'd want to play right now would be
the Houston Texans. Like, that's not who you want to see.
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With the way they're humming right now, especially the way
they're rushing the passer. We'll see maybe they can dig
deep and they'll surprise me, but this feels like a
knockout punch to me. That is not the group you
want to see right now.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
All right. The Bears come off a huge win over
the Eagles. They've now won five in a row, They've
won nine of their last ten games, and they come
to Green Bay gonna be cold. They play the Packers
off of an unbelievable, unbelievable rushing performance from two running
backs for the Bears. How do they match up with
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the Packers.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
It's gonna be speed versus power. I mean, the Packers
have the fastest front seven, the most athletic front seven,
and the Bears are really running the ball extremely well
in moving people. So it's gonna be, you know, can
can the Packers defense beat them to spots or can
the Bears line them up and move them? You know,
I think that's really that simple. If they if they
run the ball anywhere near as well, if they did
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against Philadelphia, I don't care who they're playing, the it's
gonna be a tough team to beat. So we'll see
if the Packers and their athleticism can can shoot some
gaps and create some negative plays. That's going to be
really the entire story of that ballgame.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Who usually wins that speed versus power?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Well, I always say, you know, if I if I
had the choice, it's it's I'm actually going to lean
towards the speed as an overall football team. I think
the best teams that usually you know, have a lot
of speed and play faster and everybody else on the field.
I don't care if you go watch a Pop Warner
game or if you can watch a high school game,
college game, or NFL game, it's you know, I want
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as many explosive, speedy athletes as possible. Then, uh, you
know that's where I tend to lean, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Uh, least discussed division is the the NFC West. Right,
NFC West has three teams with nine wins. Okay, but
I just it's so hard to tell who's any good
because their crossovers, you know, is against bad divisions, right,
the NFC South and the the AFC South as well. Right,
(26:55):
So if you had to, you have to rank those
three teams, those three teams Seahawks, rams Niners in order
in terms of in the playoffs, who you believe in
the most? Who would it be.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Well to me the Niners would be the three. And
I think it's a really good discussion with one and two.
I can hear arguments both ways. I mean, obviously you'd
lean Stafford over Darnold at the quarterback position. Just the
overall experience and the way he's played in postseason and
postseason runs, including a Super Bowl. I think you'd lean
quarterback there. I think Seattle has the better overall roster.
(27:29):
I think they have the better overall complete defense. So
I picked Seattle to win that division before the year started,
so I'll stick with that. But that's a one A,
one B situation, and I think kind of a clear
line before you get to the to the Niners.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Do you think Mike Tomlins, the coach of the Steelers next.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Year, Well, I mean, we could have been asking this
question for ten years, and you know it always ends
up coming right back where you started. I think if
they don't win the division, if they don't want a
playoff game, you know, I could see that at this
point in time saying okay, this is just go You know,
this could be an Andy Reid Philly situation where we're
(28:08):
going to be fine, You're going to be fine, but
let's just agree to kind of, you know, start over here.
It makes it makes a lot of sense. It feels
like that's where we are. But I mean that being said,
maybe they find some magic here, beat the Ravens, go
on and win this division and do something. I just
I don't really see that happening.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't either, But again, I'm not sure I believe
in anybody in that in that division, even the Ravens.
As we start out talking about Lamar and what's missing there? DJ,
You're the best. Enjoy your weekend off of for Monday
Night football. Thanks for our guest, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
We got the Christian High Patriots in the Southern California
Championship Division five. We got Valley Christian at Soritos, so
big weekend as a Jeremiah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Sorit Torito's college. Is that? What is?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:48):
They're playing and they're playing in Critos at Valley Christian
High School there and then they win that one. They're
in the state championship game, which is where that I
want to stay. Long Beach might be a Long Beach
Community College. I don't know where they I'm wearing around.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
There, the OLBC, the LBC, thanks much, DJ.
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Dan has this sheepest grin in his face. He's gonna run.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Well, let's see what Iowa, Sam says, and what the
official go ahead?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The weather on the woods? Here the Fox sports ready out,
Let's go to chopper or not? And what do you
got high above the one oh one? What do you
got there? Sam? What's the weather day?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
All right, let's see here according to my source right
now at the Van Nights Airport, SONNY, in sixty eight
with a hive of seventy degrees. What are your sources saying, Dan?
Can you cross check that?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Will be? Well? That's what I was looking at as well.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
All right, the temperature right now, it's sixty eight degrees
as of ten minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Graym Wisconsin's fourteen degrees. It feels like
it's eight. I don't know it's cool, but it was one.
It was two degrees this morning, and I got up
and I sent a text to to Andy Toole, who's
the coach of Robert Morris. Just welcome to the tundra.
It's so cold. Uh, And I said, we like there's
(30:53):
a place where the bus parks, and I'm like, hey,
can we have the bus stop like fifty yards for
they just have them walk outside? Just feel with this
lace is.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Your house like the lake the lake is you go
out there and jet snowmobile, snow machine.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
No, eventually you can eventually can't It just froze over
five six days ago right when it because when it snowed,
it was warmer, had to be warmer to snow and
some of the light thin sheath about that thin sheath
of ice kind of melted away and then the cold
wind came behind it and the first layer of real
(31:34):
ice is there. So yeah, right now it's iced over,
but no one's walking on it. Uh. Probably you know,
a week you'll see people start to walk on it,
put up their little fishing pup tents there, and then
my neighbors will get their little actually they're like long tractor,
but they know how to Jimmy rigg Itt so it
it gets a little ice rink and the boys will
play hockey out there. Dogs will walk on it. Yeah,
(31:54):
the whole deal. Green Bay will be We'll fishly be frozen.
H This is the dug out the show. It is
a Wednesday Thursday. Excuse me, yesterday was Wednesday. Wednesday is
our midway, right, Thursday, we look back in our own
unique way. Will recall it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
All right, let's go. If you our one and only
Jason Stewart, who sets upday.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Dog, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Forty years ago, forty years ago, something happened that if
it were to be done today, it would receive NonStop
ridicule on social media. It would it would be the
talk of sports talk. The Chicago Bears were in the
middle of an undefeated season. They were ten and oh
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or eleven and zero when they decided to go into
a studio and make a song and video called the
Super Bowl Shuffle. The Chicago Bears had never won a
Super Bowl, they'd never been to a Super Bowl, but
they were undefeated, and we're gonna put the cart before
the horse and do a song and nobody will really
(33:11):
hear it because it's a dumb rap song.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But no, wait, wait, wait wait was it released forty
years ago or was it recorded four years ago?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Both?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
When was it recorded? That's my question?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Early December released soon after.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Because they actually lost their one loss of the year
December second, of eighty five. That was the famous Monday
night football game, which I know Dan wanted to talk.
That's like probably the there's like three Monday night football games.
I remember most. That's one of them.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I remember it well. It was a big Marino guy.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So they just lost the game and they go to
they go into a studio super Bowl shovel that.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Takes a QUARTERBA December third. They lost December second. I
would say that, wow. I would say that exactly very
definition of a jinx, which I know triggers Sam, but
for superstitious people that is the very general. But anyways,
Dan b Byer brought this to my attention last week.
I didn't even know that they had made one. A
(34:12):
documentary of the song, the impact it had and the
history behind it and the players is out right now
and it's an enjoyable watch. And again it sound I don't.
I don't want you to watch because they talk about
superstitions a lot, so I don't want you to be triggered.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, well, the one thing is that was the same
year that We Are the World was recorded in a
studio that became the biggest song anywhere. And it feels
like this was like a sports bastardized version of it.
On some level makes sense a little bit like I'm
just trying to trying to get full context.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
The chorus of a chorus of people, different verses for
each artists, different verses for each player.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, and the song's not very good, but Bob.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Dylan learning awkward. Yes, it's an awful So it was
a rap song that must have been written by a
white guy. It's just a really bad song with cliches.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Why do white guys write write bad rap songs? That's
such a gross mischaracters.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
There are two exceptions, eminem and logic, And I want
to say logic is half black. Anyways, again, like mac Miller,
he was good.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That mac Miller was good. He's white, he was white.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Post Malone has offered up great different genres.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Dude, post Malone, what I that was?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
He's old country buffet, He's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, he's kid rock now.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So yeah. All that included a song called Super Bowl Shuffle,
and they went on to win the Super Bowl. A
couple interesting things to remember about that Bears team, as
Doug just pointed out their only loss to the Dolphins
on a mind to night, they went into the playoffs
and gave up a grand total of ten points in
three games. Ten points in three games. All those came
(35:57):
in the Super Bowl to the Patriots. The Bears did
not give up a single point in both the NFC
Championship Game and the Divisional Round to the Rams and Giants.
It was a completely dominant team that lived up to
the Super Bowl Shuffle. And I just want to take
us back to nineteen eighty five, Dan Byer, what sticks
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out most from that year?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Well, a lot sticks out from nineteen eighty five. It
was a great year. But I think in Doug's bread
and Butter, and I apologize if I'm stealing it from you, Doug,
but the upset of Georgetown by Villanova in the National
Championship Game. Three Big East schools go to the eighty
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five Final four. Many thought Georgetown was just going to
cut the nets down win another national title for John Thompson,
but Villanova, heck hardly missed from the field, end up
beating Georgetown in Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Three biggest teams. Who was the fourth team? I know,
Dan Byern knows this, damn who's the fourth team in
the that final? Forty five?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Memphis State?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Memphis State? Right, Memphis State. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Ed Pinckney was on coke?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Right, No, it wasn't Ed Pinckney. Wasn't Eddie Pinckney was
one of the McLean's. One of the mcleans was on coke.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, well, I'm reporting it now that Ed also did just.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Like Ed's like, hey, hey, not me. That was Lakers
Lakers Celtics NBA Finals, Okay, right, yea Lakers Celtics NBA Finals,
And the Lakers and Celtics were far and away the
best teams in the NBA, right, And it was a
(37:45):
rematch of the year before when the Celtics had won
in seven and this one and said the Lakers won
in six. Larry Bird was your regular season MVP, but uh,
Magic Johnson the Lakers end up winning the series. That
was you remember what what was that series most known
(38:06):
for by my estimation. I believe that was. Wasn't that
the the baby sky Hook game when the Lakers won
in Boston Garden and Magic won it on a baby
sky hook?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I want to say that was the eighty seven series.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Might have been. I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I think I thought you were going to say the Current.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
There was the Boston There was the Boston Massacre, which
is Game one, right, the Boston Celtics won Game one
by thirty four points. It's called the Boston Mascer. Lakers
turned around one game two. Oh my god, sorry Kurt Rambus,
but uh, the lines.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, the close line. I don't know. Maybe that was
the eighty four series, but yeah, I mean all those,
all those great memories of that rivalry I think culminated
in eighty five. I think that was the Lakers' best team,
best season. I will say this. In baseball, the Royals
played the Cardinals. It was called the Something I Something Series.
(39:04):
Sam will know the freeway that connects Saint Louis with
Kansas City. I actually don't know, Okay, cool, Brett Saberhagen
was our Cy Young Award winner, and I want to
say World Series MVP. I could be wrong on that
George Brett had a great year for the Royals their
first World Series title. I actually really liked that series,
and I like that team.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's I I seventy Series seventy seventy.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
There it is I seventy. Remember that was the Cardinals
team that had Tommy Hurr batted third in front of
behind Vince Coleman and William McGhee. Tommy Hurr had one
hundred and ten runs batted in and only like six
home runs. It was a ridiculous anomaly. But like McGee
(39:51):
and Coleman were on base all the time. Vince Coleman
stole a rookie record one and ten stolen bases that year.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Also most famously known for Don Denkinger's blown call in
Game six. Yeah, sure it costs the Cardinals the World Series.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Well, Oklahoma was your national champion in college football, the Sooners.
The Sooners were your preseason number one, your postseason number one.
They had not only the bos and Brian Bosworth, but
they had the Vince Lombardi Award winner in Tony Cassius
as well and the quarterback of the year, the Davy
(40:32):
Bryan Award winner. Sam. This was for you, Chuck Long. Yeah,
who later would become oppense corneerat Oklahoma.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Yeah, very successful stint there with Bob's Twops. Nineteen eighty
five was a huge year for Iowa. The last time
Iowa football ever won, or actually last time they won
an outright Big Ten championship was nineteen eighty five. They
got up to number one in the country and then
they ended up playing and beating number two Michigan twelve
to ten on a Rob Houtland field goal. The quarterback
(41:01):
of that Michigan team was Jim Harbaugh and Iowa, though
later would go on to lose one game.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And that would be in Columbus, Ohio, on a saugy
afternoon in November. I still have the Sports illustrated where
it says splish splash, Iowa took a bath knocked off
guys booms. Ohio State that year would go on to
play BYU and the Citrus Bowl, where Chris Carter made
(41:35):
one of the uh Well, Chris Carter always was making
great catches, but he had a magnificent catch in what
was a ten to seven ball game that I watched
over and over on the old VCR I had. I
had the eighty five Citrus Bowl on videotape, and I.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Watched that ten to seven day tape out.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
No Chris Carter only, Chris Carter only catches touchdowns. There
you go, No one circles the wagons. Oh go ahead, Doug,
I was gonna curtain like like the Buffalo bill. Right?
Speaker 6 (42:05):
That was the uh wait, wait one more thing. So, yes,
Chuck Long was a Heisman runner up to Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Bo Jackson was carry Bo Jackson probably jack decision there
with giving not he did not lead college football and
rushing Lorenzo White did, but Bo Jackson Bo Jackson six
point four yards of carry, Lorenzo White seventeen yards of
carry Thurman Thomas, by the way, third and rushing his backup,
(42:33):
Barry Sanders was Barry Sanders. Wow, by the way, here's
how it shouldn't go this far. But Bo Jackson we
think of as like one of the greatest players ever, right, correct?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yes? Yes, yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Okay, So he rushes for seventeen hundred and eighty six
yards in eleven games. Okay, seventeen touchdowns right? Just again,
I know we're doing eighty five, But do you guys
know what Barry Sanders did the next year?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Find out next week On. Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Thirty seven touchdowns thirty seven.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
And that wasn't counting the Bowl game, right, correct? Yeah,
all that was pre bowlstats, which is just mind boggling.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Golf in nineteen eighty five can be summed up by
one name, and it wasn't even his real name. Two
Chip Chin TC Chen double hit a ball in the
fun around of the US Open in nineteen eighty five,
and it essentially cost him to lead. Andy North would
go on to win a second US Open at Oakland Hills.
Baron had longer won the Masters the final two green
(43:38):
jackets for him, but TC Chen then because of the
error made, which, by the way, no longer.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Is a penalty in golf.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
If you hit the ball twice, it is no longer
a penalty, but nineteen eighty five it was, and it
likely costs Chen a US Open title.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Chi Nike sounds racist, by the way, it sounds like
something Rodney Dangerfield.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
No, it sounds like it sounds like Goodfellas. You remember
I had the nicknames, right, Hey, here's to chick ten
over there.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
The TC was abbreviated from what his real name was,
but then because he hit it twice, to Chip just
worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
The number one pick in the nineteen eighty five NFL
draft anybody great player, Hall of Fame player, defensive end.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
The nineteen eighty five drafts Yep, Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Bruce Smith,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
The second pick was Bill.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Fralick, Yeah, Atlanta Hawks, Right there you go, Aleta Falcons, Yeah, Falcons. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
The first quarterback in that draft, Kay was in the
second round out of UNLV Randall Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I'm sorry, I thought you were Yep, No, no.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
It was kind of a quid's question. Whatever. I just
it's really amazing on how things have changed. Right, third
quarterback was in the second quarterback was in the third
was Frank Reich. Frank Reich. And the fourth quarterback taken
wasn't taken until I had this written down earlier. I
just want to make sure I got it right, Like,
(45:14):
wasn't taken until the sixth round, which was Rusty Hilger.
Think about it, that's crazy, Like now all those guys
would be the top top pick, but back then they're like, yeah,
we don't really need a quarterback. Hilde went six round.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
On sixth round, he was the Tom Brady of the
eighty five draft.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
It's funny you bring up Bruce Smith. I remember I
saw a documentary on Bruce Smith and he was had
some headphones on the when he got the call that
he was drafted. And this the ironic thing is that
he had this song in his headphones.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Oh Jit a bug.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
This is wake me Up before you go go on that.
Wham's monster hit album, Make It Big. Wham Wham Make
It Big was the album of nineteen eighty four, but
this song was so popular that it was the Billboard
one hundred top three Song of the Year in nineteen
eighty five. This is Dan Bayer's favorite singer of all time.
(46:18):
I don't know how he ranked Wham and George Michael
or if he puts them in the same category.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Wake Me Up before you go dope? Uh? That year
in movies, can we go to eighty five movies? Obviously
everybody knows the eighties and nineties best decades ever for movies.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Wait, can do you guys remember what?
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Movie?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
In early two thousands?
Speaker 6 (46:38):
Is two thousands popularized this song again with a scene
where guys are spraying each other with gasoline.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Zoolander, Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Nineteen eighty five deserves a full hour, like we're just
not gonna get to everything.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
But this is okay. Sorry, back to you, Doug.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
This is so good.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Okay, so number one film in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Five, Back to the Future.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah ah, back to the future. Gotta go back in time,
Back to the Future. Second highest grossing film in eighty five,
First Blood Part two, third highest grossing film. Another on
another Sevester saloon movie, Rocky four. I don't know, I
want to ruin this for you, but a rock Go
(47:19):
pulls this one out right, rock go.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
It.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I was good change and use good change. We all
good change right, color purple, Color Purple was four out
of Africa, five Cocoon six, Jewel of the Nile. He
remember Jewel the Nile?
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Was that Michael Douglas.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, yeah uh. Goonies was then Goonies and Spies like
Us both in eighty five. If you haven't watched Goonies
the Summer wrong with your childhood and Spies like Us
was back and again when chevy Chase was funny, He's
not funny anymore. Spies like us. Coalerre I gots on
coffee and that is don't all to throw back Thursday.
(48:01):
Hey I'm talking to human fly, you Irish funk.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Don't call it a throwback.
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give you all all of the picks in college football
this weekend. Who next hour we'll have we'll discuss the
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Browns Titans, which could be the toilet Bowl, right, the
toilet Bowl if it's bowl game in the NFL, or
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And we'll also get you ready for this NFL weekend,
and we'll get a little Herbie update, Little Justin Herbert
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playing on a surgically repaired left hand, but expectations are
he will play this weekend a lot. To get to
what if I told you? What if I told you
that I was going to compare the Dallas Cowboys with
my Green Bay Phoenix, Like, Okay, that's a stretch. No, no, no,
it's it's not really.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
There's a an NFL game night in a college basketball
game night, and I kind of think I kind of
think there's some similarities there. Jay Stu, you like to
pick holes in these things. You are in search of
the opposite of whatever BS is, right, that's you know
you love content. I'm gonna give you some content. You'd
tell me if it's too much of its armstrong. Tonight,
(02:12):
the Dallas Cowboys take out the Detroit Lions. Dallas coming
off big win on Thanksgiving Day and proving many myself included,
who thought they would they were playing for a draft
pick next year, wrong, that they're actually pretty good. Now,
are they great? No, I don't think anybody would argue otherwise.
But they're way better then I would say any of
(02:36):
us non Cowboy fans thought possible. I think that's a
very easy like there's grandiose statements you can make, which
people go like, not really, because as much as I
could say they're way better than anyone would have thought,
there's plenty of Dallas Cowboy fans who think every year like, oh,
win super Bowl. So when I say they're way better,
(02:57):
I mean they're way better than any of us could
have thought, could have fought and any of us non
Cowboy fans. So non Cowboy fans, if you ask yourself honestly,
when they trade away Micah Parsons, when they hired their
(03:18):
offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer as their head coach, you're like, yeah,
it could be bad this year, bad bad, and they've
been pretty good. But coming off of that win, the
key to being really good is consistency, and you get
a chance to do it against a team who had
kind of been the darling of the NFL the past
(03:39):
couple years, Like we could do an entire show on
the Lions on they're going through what the Eagles have
gone through, not just this season but the previous time.
They were in the Super Bowl, where people poach your
coordinators and it takes you while to kind of figure
out who you are, who's gonna call the plays, what
you're gonna look like, how you're gonna play for the Cowboys,
they haven't. They've proven the doubters wrong in terms of
(04:03):
them stinking. So they're good, they're fine, they're above average,
or if they're mediocre, their average. You win tonight and
you're like, oh, okay, well that's different, right, that's different.
You beat the Chiefs, and again the Chiefs are not
the Chiefs of old, but you did beat the Chiefs
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in the most watched NFL regular season game in the
history of the sport. Everybody saw it. Now you get
a chance to back it up with a team that
also still trying to find themselves. Okay, so where's the
parallel with my team? I give it to you. We
play Robert Morris tonight. Robert Morris won the league, won
the League tournament. Now they've lost most of their team
from last year, but they did have I'm a lot
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more money than us, and they went out and got
a good and they have a good team. They're good,
just like the Lions are good. They're still trying to
figure out, like who they are this year as opposed
to who they are last year. They're playing differently. My team,
everybody thought we're gonna think gonna be stunk last year.
I wouldn't just think this year. Win a couple of games,
all right, So we're not as bad as people outside
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of our building think. But in order to be considered good,
you got to back it up with consistency. You got
to back it up with some consistency because otherwise it's
just a win and it's just you're not terrible. We
can't make fun of you as much, but we don't
necessarily respect you and think you're good. Same with the Cowboys,
same with the Green Bay Phoenix. Chase do how am
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I doing?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's good?
Speaker 3 (05:33):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
No, I think the analogy face value is accurate. I
think that there are there's quite a bit of difference
in the construct right, Oh yeah, professional sports is different. There.
The Cowboys can switch out all fifty three players this
year as you did, you know, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But yeah, but but in fairness, like we lost Anthony Roy,
the nation's leading scorer. He's a Oklahoma State now from
last year, right, and they trade away Michael Parsons. I
didn't trade again. There are some very loose parallels, but
the point is that's what I feel like tonight's game
is about. For the Cowboys, It's about they've already earned
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at least my respect and I think better. And Dak
Prescott's been really good for the most part this year,
not the whole, not the whole season. I've never been
a big Dak guy. I always thought Dak was better
than anybody, kind of like the Cowboys, better than anybody
thought he could be, but not elite. He's looked like
an elite quarterback at many times this year, many times,
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and considering what he's dealing with in terms of the
overall personnel, the defense trying to figure themselves out, you know,
he's done really well. George Pickens, who was a complete
pain that you know what with the Pittsburgh Steelers, has
not been a pain. So whatever he's doing off the field,
not just on the field, but get in the football.
But in terms of relationship building with Pickens has never
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stepped up and going like hey this guy stinks or
made a big He hasn't had any of the stuff
that he had in Pittsburgh. Uh. There's also the lion's
side to it, which is I what I see in
Dan Campbell is what uh I think there's there's it's
(07:19):
just interesting and that there's nothing wrong with the plays
that he's calling, but there's a rhythm to it. They're
just plays. There's not an offense. There's not a we're
doing this to come back and do that. It's down
in distance and play calling and selection and and and there's.
It really is an art. I mean, it's like if
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you watch the Browns on Schdor's first touchdown, Onor's touchdown drive,
when you threw a touchdown pass. First eight plays were
run place, but they were all kind of different and
you're all like, wow, that again, it's all a setup,
set up, set up, set up, setup. You're gonna go here,
we're gonna go there, march down the field, and then
right when you think we're only running football, boom, we
hit you with the play action. We score a touchdown.
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I think Campbell's not there as a play college, not
something he's ever done before. Again, I can see part
of myself in that last year. Right now, I have
more help. Now, I have somebody really really helped me
and understanding and even teaching me timing of and I
have a better feel for it. Whereas Dan Campbell's never
called plays before, I've seen people tell him say he
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should have been calling plays earlier, maybe or maybe had
somebody that he felt like was more experienced calling plays.
Call plays and then keep your hands off fit because
that's what's worked for them. But this is an interesting
Thursday night football game. Most of them are not most
of them are not well played, most of the teams
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are not well rested. You can't make that case because
both of these teams played last Thursday, so they've had
the full amount of rest. That does not mean that
the product will be as good as the product should be.
But in a game in which the Lions are sitting
there going like games where we could fall out of
the playoffs and the Cowboys are trying to sneak into
the playoffs, the Cowboys are trying to do more than
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just earn everybody's respect. They're trying to prove that they're good.
And the Lions will you to in a row on home?
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Gottlieb Show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. H Dan Byer,
what's up, Danny?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
What he got?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
So what I think is interesting tonight is if you
look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You mentioned Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
There was a point that Dallas had Kellen Moore as
their offensive coordinator and the thought was, oh, my goodness,
we can't let Kellen Moore go because look at what
he's doing with this Dallas offense. Well, Kellen Moore was
ultimately let go, and the Cowboys ended up having a
better offense the year after Kellen Moore left than my
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McCarthy was looked at as the guy that is this
is well, maybe it was his offense after all. Well,
ultimately McCarthy doesn't return on his contract and Brian Schottenheimer
takes over as the offensive coordinator, and so far, so good.
To your point about the expectations. My question is this,
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is there going to become a point in Detroit where
they wish they had Ben Johnson instead of Dan Campbell. Yes,
And I think that's probably the case as well. And
I think like tonight is an opportunity for Dan Campbell
to show and the Lions to show that even down
that they still have that pride, that grit and everything
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that came with it. And I think that the reason
why the Lions wouldn't have been gutsy enough to make
that move because it would probably ruin the culture in
the locker room. But if that would have been a
short term thing and you could have kept Ben Johnson
for the long term, maybe that would have been your move.
But I'm wondering if we're seeing two ships passing in
the night tonight, maybe Cowboys Ascendingane's descending. But I think
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now we're going to start to have those conversations considering
how well things have.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Gone for the Bears in year one with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And their history for this Right that we've seen this
movie before. Right, wasn't didn't wasn't Dick Vermeal convinced to
retire so that Mike martzl could have sent a head coach.
What was is Steve Bolotti convinced to step down or
move aside for Chip Kelly.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody, Mike Bloody.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yes, Steve, his brother Steve was also in within the
coaching ranks.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah no, no, no, So so this is actually an
interesting discussion. Like a side note, and again, if if
I'm talking too much about my basketball team, you guys
feel free to at least send me a text, or
you can just say it. I don't care on here,
but it is interesting. The it's the idea when I
first took a took a head coaching job, I said it,
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I meant it, which is hire people who know what
you don't know and then let them work.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I just again, it was a weird time of year
and I thought I knew what I needed, and in
short order, I did the best that I could. This year,
I feel like I've done that. Additionally, in addition to
hiring somebody to run the offense, helping with the offense
and run the defense, is I have an understudy on
the defense. If and when my defensive coordinator chooses to
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retire and offensively again, I would be the de facto
and I'm still kind of de facto play caller, but
I've been given so much help in the building blocks
of it and the teaching of it. I do know
what I would be looking for. I think the Dan
Campbell what's happened to his program, if you will, is
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he's had incredible success, but you have to prepare on
some level for the inevitability of losing players and coaches
in that success. And he's trying to do something that
he's never done. That he doesn't and I'm not saying
he does it poorly, but it's really hard if you
haven't done it before to suddenly become a play caller.
And then he did in mid season, and I get it.
(13:05):
He played in the league, he was a tight end.
He's been a head coach before his interim, he's been
a tight ends coach. He knows generally how it works.
But I think that what's interesting is if you asked
any of us without ever working for Dan Campbell, right,
I'll ask you, Dan Byer, what do you think the
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what's the secret sauce to Dan Campbell? What has made
him successful and really really well liked by the players
that seem to play.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Well I think that he's a former player and can
connect with them at that level.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So he is he is.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
He's a Tomlin type. He is a John Harbaugh type.
A granted John Harbaugh didn't play whatever, but he is
a guy who you can't pin down any one thing.
He does schematically, he knows football, but there he gets
him to play hard. For him, I've played together, play hard,
and he gets them to the believe that, Hey, he
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hires former players to help be his coaches. Like he's
all about the players, right, that's the strength. He's not
the book nerd, he's not the play caller, he's not
the schematic guy. He's the energy guy. Right, So you
got to hire guys that do all that. And it
feels like he missed on coordinator because he was super
loyal and appointed a guy from within. But he wasn't
(14:21):
ready for that. And now he's doing something which is
not necessarily what he does best. Whereas Brian Schottenheimer, I
guarantee he didn't touch the defense. He got nothing to
do with the defense. He's got to hire somebody trust him,
and then he handles the offense that and then generally
coaches the team in the way that he feels best
and he's done a good job at that. I just
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thought there was some parallels there.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Thought, No, I think it's fair.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I also think when you just look at the situation
on paper, like there's no way that you would fire
Dan Campbell, and the collateral damage of firing Dan Campbell
would maybe crumble everything that he's built. But if you're
a Lions and you look at what Ben Johnson's done
in year one and what could have continued in Detroit, like,
I think that this season is obviously the start of
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it because Ben Johnson's no longer there and is now
in Chicago and having success. But I mean, should they
have made the really really difficult decision saying we wanted
the offensive coordinator, we didn't want the head coach. And
I know it's crazy it's to sound like that, But
if we look back in five or ten years and
the Bears are having great success and Dan Campbell's message
(15:30):
gets old and they don't have the success, Detroit's probably
going to rue the day that they let Ben Johnson go.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, I just I agree with you that that will
be probably the sentiment if he doesn't nail the offensive
coordinator higher in the offense season.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That'll be the hindsight, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Right, But I also don't think it was actually possible.
Like Dan Campbell was so unbelievably well liked and he
got so much of the credit. It's like, you're not wrong,
but they're like, reality is like, you can't fire Dan Campbell.
You just can't, could you? I mean, played babe. At
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some point Ben Johnson wanted to be a head coach.
The Bears was the one he had his eye on,
and that was the one he got. I do think
that making it worse is that he is in divisions
and now you see him twice a year, You're like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
But I also don't think there's any reality where they
could have coming off of the first consecutive quality seasons
in our lifetime that the Lions have ever had, Right, Like,
the Lions have literally been a punchline for a long time.
Not as bad for the most part as the Aints
Saints where they are now and where they were when
(16:43):
we were kids, not as bad as some of these
other teams, but they just consistently sucked for a long time.
You suddenly bring them to you. You're the focal point.
You bring them to respectability and then they go like, hey,
we want your offense according to coach, Like there's just
no reality to it. Even though you're not wrong, you're
actually right, Like in terms of football coach, they had
to have Ben Johnson and not having another guy ready
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when and you had a year lead up. That's the
other part to it. It's like, hey, you had a
year knowing Ben Johnson could have taken a job the
year before, didn't was gonna take a job this year.
You had to have somebody just bollm around, be that
guy and be ready for the second that he takes
the job. And they didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, Tanner Angstrom two left with Aaron Glenn to go
to New York and he was the passing game coordinator
for the Lions under Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
So there was more. You know, they've lost more on
that offensive coaching staff than just Ben Johnson himself.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
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Speaker 1 (17:44):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Danil Jeremiah's our guest
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Network for the NFL Draft. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's the voice, the color analyst, voice of the La Chargers.
Let's talk about Herbert. Okay, So he is a broken
bone in his hand and yet they expect him to
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play on Monday night. How does that work?
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Well, you know, it's it's two parts of protection, and
you know, you get the plate on the inside to
protect and then you're gonna have to wear the you know,
the glove with the pad over it to protect it
from the outside. So I mean to me, I guess
it ends up being more of a pain tolerance issue
than a risk for him going forward. And the fact
that it's on its left hand. But I was just
listening to you before it came on, and I saw
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the same thing that you saw when I saw Jalen
Carter had surgery on both shoulders and it's be week
to week. I'm like, if I had surgery on both
my shoulders, like, I'm hoping I'm healthy by next Christmas.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Sure, sure, no question about it. Incredible stretch here for
the Bolts, right Eagles at home, they go to the Chiefs,
they go to the Cowboys before they finished with Texans
at home, and then to the Bronx to the Broncos. Brutal,
just just just brutal. Okay, But and and they they
got a little bit of a g right game with
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the Raiders. What's their health status outside of Herbert because
they were so beating up early in the year.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Well, I think there it sounds like they're gonna get
some guys back here. You know, we'll see with Amri
and Hamptons close to being back last week, we'll see
if he's ready to go for this Monday night game.
But getting him back, I think you have a nice
one to two punch there with what you see from
Kamani Vydell coming off a huge game against the Raiders.
He's been really, really solid, So that should fortify that
Tito Aemonia coming back to the defensive tackle, you know,
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they get a little bit healthier there along that defensive line,
they can roll some guys through, which would be nice.
And you know, I think more than anything else then
settling on an offensive line, you know, in terms of
the tackle position, and Jamari Sawyer, you know, taking over
at left tackle where he started fifteen games for a
playoff team a few years ago with the Chargers, and
that's where he played in college. I think that's where
he's most comfortable after auditioning a bunch of different people there.
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I think they've kind of settled in with Pipkins being
back healthy at right tackle and saw you're at left tackle.
So I think they're in a you know, they're in
a better spot than they've been here maybe in the
last month.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Cowboys in
Lions tonight. Let's start with the Cowboys again. You're gonna
see them in person coming up next week or in
two week. Excuse me as the charger of travel to Arlington.
What's your reaction though, to the fact that they're they're
kind of better than decent. They're actually sort of good
in comparison to what we thought coming into the year.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Well, I talked to a defensive line coach in the
NFL last week, and you know, I just said, you know,
what have you seen from offenses and who've seen what's
impressed you? And he said, the Cowboys offense the best
offense we've seen this year. Yeah, that's a it's a problem.
The offensive line is really good, quarterbacks playing at a
high level, and really George Pickens has been better than
Ceedee Lamb. So they've had you know, they've had a nice,
(20:47):
nice run here offensively and I think defensively that you know,
as great as Michael Parsons is this this fit works
with them with this three defensive tackle group that they've
got now of guys that can not only hold up
against the on but can get you some interior pressure
which can be pretty disruptive. So they're playing better on
that side of the ball. They're playing really well, I
mean to be honest, like getting ready for the Eagles.
The Cowboys playing you know, I beat them, but they're
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they're they're on the whole, but just playing better football
than the Eagles as of late.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
They absolutely are. What about the Lions, You know, they
lose to the Packers. Now they get a week prepare
for the Cowboys. But what are your thoughts on the
play calling? Is Dan Campbell's taking over a couple weeks ago?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of rhythm to it.
It feels a little disjointed. And I know they've had
some injuries and the am and Ross Saint Brown injuries big.
We'll see what happens with him tonight. But I you know,
it seems like the last couple of years, injuries have
really hit them at the wrong time. You saw it
again with Terry and Arnold being done for the year
at corner, So you know, I think it's more than
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just hey, you got to find their rhythm and their
flow offensively and get Jared Goff cooking. To me, it's
it's just a it's just a team that hasn't found
a way to be at their best at that the
most important time, which is as we come down in
the home stretch.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
We've we've got a chance to see Shaduur twice now
as a starter. We didn't have you on last week
obviously with Thanksgiving and everything else going on. What's your
assessment of how he's played.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I think he's done some good things, you know, taking
some shots down the field, which has been good to see,
which that offense hadn't done much of. But I also
think he's, you know, he's missing some things where there's
opportunities there and he's getting to his check down a
little bit early. So he's getting some completions, which is
a good thing for a young quarterback, but he has
missed out on some opportunities there, but I think he's
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shown enough that I'd want to see more. Continue to
give him really the rest of you know, the rest
of this season, to see what you have. I feel like,
to me, Dylan Gabriel's is a quality backup and that's
who he is and what he is. Where his Shauduur
I think has more upside. So I'd be curious to see,
you know, what does he look like with this stretch
of games and is it enough to you know, to
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show you that he could at least have a chance
to compete, if not be that guy going forward. I'd
like to I'd like to use these games to figure
that out.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I agree with you. I mean again, I don't. I again,
I'm just talking to people. They say he has some traits,
but it has there's there's also a lot of negatives
that have been there. He's missing some of the Reid stuff,
which you can clean up over time. He has to
either be the starter or they have to move him.
That's my assessment, because you can't.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Yeah, to me, Dylan Gabriel has a place. Dylan Gabriel
is the two. He is the two for this team
in the future. He's the He's kind of like the
prototypical backup quarterback. To me, Chudour is in a different boat.
He's going to be the starter, or you try and
move him to somebody else that will give him him
that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
What's wrong with Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
He didn't have the same juice or twitch. And I
don't know if that's just the health thing, if it's
getting older, if that's you know, pacing himself through the
season to try and be ready to go for the postseason.
I'm curious to see what he looks like this week
in a big game against the Steelers, because I just
haven't seen that same suddenness and burst and I haven't
seen the ball jump out of his hand either. It
just looks I don't know says he's heard or he's
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getting older or what it is, but it just hasn't
been anywhere near as crisp.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Uh. The Kansasity Chiefs, they've lost three out their last four. Now,
good news is they get the Texans on Sunday night,
then they get the Chargers at home. They got the
Titans that looks like a win on the road, and
then the Bronx. They have three at home and a
ninety chance of winning on the road, but they have
dug themselves a massive hole. Do they have that gear
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to down shift to get to the nine or ten
wins it's going to take.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I don't think they're gonna get by this game. I mean,
if if you told me you're in a do or
die situation, you've got your offensive line issues now with
the left tackle being out and Simmons, and you told me, I,
could you know rank the teams that I'd want to play,
and they got to have it must win game. The
last team I'd want to play right now would be
the Houston Texans. Like, that's not who you want to see.
(24:55):
With the way they're humming right now, especially the way
they're rushing the passer. We'll see maybe they can dig
deep and they'll surprise me, but this feels like a
knockout punch to me. That is not the group you
want to see right now.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
All right. The Bears come off a huge win over
the Eagles. They've now won five in a row, They've
won nine of their last ten games, and they come
to Green Bay gonna be cold. They play the Packers
off of an unbelievable, unbelievable rushing performance from two running
backs for the Bears. How do they match up with
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the Packers.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
It's gonna be speed versus power. I mean, the Packers
have the fastest front seven, the most athletic front seven,
and the Bears are really running the ball extremely well
in moving people. So it's gonna be, you know, can
can the Packers defense beat them to spots or can
the Bears line them up and move them? You know,
I think that's really that simple. If they if they
run the ball anywhere near as well, if they did
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against Philadelphia, I don't care who they're playing, the it's
gonna be a tough team to beat. So we'll see
if the Packers and their athleticism can can shoot some
gaps and create some negative plays. That's going to be
really the entire story of that ballgame.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Who usually wins that speed versus power?
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Well, I always say, you know, if I if I
had the choice, it's it's I'm actually going to lean
towards the speed as an overall football team. I think
the best teams that usually you know, have a lot
of speed and play faster and everybody else on the field.
I don't care if you go watch a Pop Warner
game or if you can watch a high school game,
college game, or NFL game, it's you know, I want
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as many explosive, speedy athletes as possible. Then, uh, you
know that's where I tend to lean, all right.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Uh, least discussed division is the the NFC West. Right,
NFC West has three teams with nine wins. Okay, but
I just it's so hard to tell who's any good
because their crossovers, you know, is against bad divisions, right,
the NFC South and the the AFC South as well. Right,
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So if you had to, you have to rank those
three teams, those three teams Seahawks, rams Niners in order
in terms of in the playoffs, who you believe in
the most? Who would it be.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Well to me the Niners would be the three. And
I think it's a really good discussion with one and two.
I can hear arguments both ways. I mean, obviously you'd
lean Stafford over Darnold at the quarterback position. Just the
overall experience and the way he's played in postseason and
postseason runs, including a Super Bowl. I think you'd lean
quarterback there. I think Seattle has the better overall roster.
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I think they have the better overall complete defense. So
I picked Seattle to win that division before the year started,
so I'll stick with that. But that's a one A,
one B situation, and I think kind of a clear
line before you get to the to the Niners.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Do you think Mike Tomlins, the coach of the Steelers next.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Year, Well, I mean, we could have been asking this
question for ten years, and you know it always ends
up coming right back where you started. I think if
they don't win the division, if they don't want a
playoff game, you know, I could see that at this
point in time saying okay, this is just go You know,
this could be an Andy Reid Philly situation where we're
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going to be fine, You're going to be fine, but
let's just agree to kind of, you know, start over here.
It makes it makes a lot of sense. It feels
like that's where we are. But I mean that being said,
maybe they find some magic here, beat the Ravens, go
on and win this division and do something. I just
I don't really see that happening.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
I don't either, But again, I'm not sure I believe
in anybody in that in that division, even the Ravens.
As we start out talking about Lamar and what's missing there? DJ,
You're the best. Enjoy your weekend off of for Monday
Night football. Thanks for our guest, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
We got the Christian High Patriots in the Southern California
Championship Division five. We got Valley Christian at Soritos, so
big weekend as a Jeremiah.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Sorit Torito's college. Is that? What is?
Speaker 3 (28:48):
No?
Speaker 5 (28:48):
They're playing and they're playing in Critos at Valley Christian
High School there and then they win that one. They're
in the state championship game, which is where that I
want to stay. Long Beach might be a Long Beach
Community College. I don't know where they I'm wearing around.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
There, the OLBC, the LBC, thanks much, DJ.
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seventy six seventy seven degrees where you are? Is that right?
Dan has this sheepest grin in his face. He's gonna run.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Well, let's see what Iowa, Sam says, and what the
official go ahead?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
The weather on the woods? Here the Fox sports ready out,
Let's go to chopper or not? And what do you
got high above the one oh one? What do you
got there? Sam? What's the weather day?
Speaker 6 (30:11):
All right, let's see here according to my source right
now at the Van Nights Airport, SONNY, in sixty eight
with a hive of seventy degrees. What are your sources saying, Dan?
Can you cross check that?
Speaker 3 (30:22):
Will be? Well? That's what I was looking at as well.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
All right, the temperature right now, it's sixty eight degrees
as of ten minutes ago.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Green Bay, Wisconsin. Graym Wisconsin's fourteen degrees. It feels like
it's eight. I don't know it's cool, but it was one.
It was two degrees this morning, and I got up
and I sent a text to to Andy Toole, who's
the coach of Robert Morris. Just welcome to the tundra.
It's so cold. Uh, And I said, we like there's
(30:53):
a place where the bus parks, and I'm like, hey,
can we have the bus stop like fifty yards for
they just have them walk outside? Just feel with this
lace is.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
Your house like the lake the lake is you go
out there and jet snowmobile, snow machine.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
No, eventually you can eventually can't It just froze over
five six days ago right when it because when it snowed,
it was warmer, had to be warmer to snow and
some of the light thin sheath about that thin sheath
of ice kind of melted away and then the cold
wind came behind it and the first layer of real
(31:34):
ice is there. So yeah, right now it's iced over,
but no one's walking on it. Uh. Probably you know,
a week you'll see people start to walk on it,
put up their little fishing pup tents there, and then
my neighbors will get their little actually they're like long tractor,
but they know how to Jimmy rigg Itt so it
it gets a little ice rink and the boys will
play hockey out there. Dogs will walk on it. Yeah,
(31:54):
the whole deal. Green Bay will be We'll fishly be frozen.
H This is the dug out the show. It is
a Wednesday Thursday. Excuse me, yesterday was Wednesday. Wednesday is
our midway, right, Thursday, we look back in our own
unique way. Will recall it. Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
All right, let's go. If you our one and only
Jason Stewart, who sets upday.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Dog, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I'll take it from here.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Forty years ago, forty years ago, something happened that if
it were to be done today, it would receive NonStop
ridicule on social media. It would it would be the
talk of sports talk. The Chicago Bears were in the
middle of an undefeated season. They were ten and oh
(32:49):
or eleven and zero when they decided to go into
a studio and make a song and video called the
Super Bowl Shuffle. The Chicago Bears had never won a
Super Bowl, they'd never been to a Super Bowl, but
they were undefeated, and we're gonna put the cart before
the horse and do a song and nobody will really
(33:11):
hear it because it's a dumb rap song.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But no, wait, wait, wait wait was it released forty
years ago or was it recorded four years ago?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Both?
Speaker 1 (33:20):
When was it recorded? That's my question?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Early December released soon after.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Because they actually lost their one loss of the year
December second, of eighty five. That was the famous Monday
night football game, which I know Dan wanted to talk.
That's like probably the there's like three Monday night football games.
I remember most. That's one of them.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I remember it well. It was a big Marino guy.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So they just lost the game and they go to
they go into a studio super Bowl shovel that.
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Takes a QUARTERBA December third. They lost December second. I
would say that, wow. I would say that exactly very
definition of a jinx, which I know triggers Sam, but
for superstitious people that is the very general. But anyways,
Dan b Byer brought this to my attention last week.
I didn't even know that they had made one. A
(34:12):
documentary of the song, the impact it had and the
history behind it and the players is out right now
and it's an enjoyable watch. And again it sound I don't.
I don't want you to watch because they talk about
superstitions a lot, so I don't want you to be triggered.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Well, well, the one thing is that was the same
year that We Are the World was recorded in a
studio that became the biggest song anywhere. And it feels
like this was like a sports bastardized version of it.
On some level makes sense a little bit like I'm
just trying to trying to get full context.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
The chorus of a chorus of people, different verses for
each artists, different verses for each player.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, and the song's not very good, but Bob.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Dylan learning awkward. Yes, it's an awful So it was
a rap song that must have been written by a
white guy. It's just a really bad song with cliches.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Why do white guys write write bad rap songs? That's
such a gross mischaracters.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
There are two exceptions, eminem and logic, And I want
to say logic is half black. Anyways, again, like mac Miller,
he was good.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That mac Miller was good. He's white, he was white.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Post Malone has offered up great different genres.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Dude, post Malone, what I that was?
Speaker 6 (35:29):
He's old country buffet, He's all over the place.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, he's kid rock now.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So yeah. All that included a song called Super Bowl Shuffle,
and they went on to win the Super Bowl. A
couple interesting things to remember about that Bears team, as
Doug just pointed out their only loss to the Dolphins
on a mind to night, they went into the playoffs
and gave up a grand total of ten points in
three games. Ten points in three games. All those came
(35:57):
in the Super Bowl to the Patriots. The Bears did
not give up a single point in both the NFC
Championship Game and the Divisional Round to the Rams and Giants.
It was a completely dominant team that lived up to
the Super Bowl Shuffle. And I just want to take
us back to nineteen eighty five, Dan Byer, what sticks
(36:19):
out most from that year?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Well, a lot sticks out from nineteen eighty five. It
was a great year. But I think in Doug's bread
and Butter, and I apologize if I'm stealing it from you, Doug,
but the upset of Georgetown by Villanova in the National
Championship Game. Three Big East schools go to the eighty
(36:41):
five Final four. Many thought Georgetown was just going to
cut the nets down win another national title for John Thompson,
but Villanova, heck hardly missed from the field, end up
beating Georgetown in Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Three biggest teams. Who was the fourth team? I know,
Dan Byern knows this, damn who's the fourth team in
the that final? Forty five?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Memphis State?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Memphis State? Right, Memphis State. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Ed Pinckney was on coke?
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Right, No, it wasn't Ed Pinckney. Wasn't Eddie Pinckney was
one of the McLean's. One of the mcleans was on coke.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, well, I'm reporting it now that Ed also did just.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Like Ed's like, hey, hey, not me. That was Lakers
Lakers Celtics NBA Finals, Okay, right, yea Lakers Celtics NBA Finals,
And the Lakers and Celtics were far and away the
best teams in the NBA, right, And it was a
(37:45):
rematch of the year before when the Celtics had won
in seven and this one and said the Lakers won
in six. Larry Bird was your regular season MVP, but uh,
Magic Johnson the Lakers end up winning the series. That
was you remember what what was that series most known
(38:06):
for by my estimation. I believe that was. Wasn't that
the the baby sky Hook game when the Lakers won
in Boston Garden and Magic won it on a baby
sky hook?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
I want to say that was the eighty seven series.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Might have been. I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
I think I thought you were going to say the Current.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
There was the Boston There was the Boston Massacre, which
is Game one, right, the Boston Celtics won Game one
by thirty four points. It's called the Boston Mascer. Lakers
turned around one game two. Oh my god, sorry Kurt Rambus,
but uh, the lines.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, the close line. I don't know. Maybe that was
the eighty four series, but yeah, I mean all those,
all those great memories of that rivalry I think culminated
in eighty five. I think that was the Lakers' best team,
best season. I will say this. In baseball, the Royals
played the Cardinals. It was called the Something I Something Series.
(39:04):
Sam will know the freeway that connects Saint Louis with
Kansas City. I actually don't know, Okay, cool, Brett Saberhagen
was our Cy Young Award winner, and I want to
say World Series MVP. I could be wrong on that
George Brett had a great year for the Royals their
first World Series title. I actually really liked that series,
and I like that team.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's I I seventy Series seventy seventy.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
There it is I seventy. Remember that was the Cardinals
team that had Tommy Hurr batted third in front of
behind Vince Coleman and William McGhee. Tommy Hurr had one
hundred and ten runs batted in and only like six
home runs. It was a ridiculous anomaly. But like McGee
(39:51):
and Coleman were on base all the time. Vince Coleman
stole a rookie record one and ten stolen bases that year.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Also most famously known for Don Denkinger's blown call in
Game six. Yeah, sure it costs the Cardinals the World Series.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Well, Oklahoma was your national champion in college football, the Sooners.
The Sooners were your preseason number one, your postseason number one.
They had not only the bos and Brian Bosworth, but
they had the Vince Lombardi Award winner in Tony Cassius
as well and the quarterback of the year, the Davy
(40:32):
Bryan Award winner. Sam. This was for you, Chuck Long. Yeah,
who later would become oppense corneerat Oklahoma.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Yeah, very successful stint there with Bob's Twops. Nineteen eighty
five was a huge year for Iowa. The last time
Iowa football ever won, or actually last time they won
an outright Big Ten championship was nineteen eighty five. They
got up to number one in the country and then
they ended up playing and beating number two Michigan twelve
to ten on a Rob Houtland field goal. The quarterback
(41:01):
of that Michigan team was Jim Harbaugh and Iowa, though
later would go on to lose one game.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
And that would be in Columbus, Ohio, on a saugy
afternoon in November. I still have the Sports illustrated where
it says splish splash, Iowa took a bath knocked off
guys booms. Ohio State that year would go on to
play BYU and the Citrus Bowl, where Chris Carter made
(41:35):
one of the uh Well, Chris Carter always was making
great catches, but he had a magnificent catch in what
was a ten to seven ball game that I watched
over and over on the old VCR I had. I
had the eighty five Citrus Bowl on videotape, and I.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Watched that ten to seven day tape out.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
No Chris Carter only, Chris Carter only catches touchdowns. There
you go, No one circles the wagons. Oh go ahead, Doug,
I was gonna curtain like like the Buffalo bill. Right?
Speaker 6 (42:05):
That was the uh wait, wait one more thing. So, yes,
Chuck Long was a Heisman runner up to Bo Jackson.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Bo Jackson was carry Bo Jackson probably jack decision there
with giving not he did not lead college football and
rushing Lorenzo White did, but Bo Jackson Bo Jackson six
point four yards of carry, Lorenzo White seventeen yards of
carry Thurman Thomas, by the way, third and rushing his backup,
(42:33):
Barry Sanders was Barry Sanders. Wow, by the way, here's
how it shouldn't go this far. But Bo Jackson we
think of as like one of the greatest players ever, right, correct?
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Yes? Yes, yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Okay, So he rushes for seventeen hundred and eighty six
yards in eleven games. Okay, seventeen touchdowns right? Just again,
I know we're doing eighty five, But do you guys
know what Barry Sanders did the next year?
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Find out next week On. Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Thirty seven touchdowns thirty seven.
Speaker 6 (43:08):
And that wasn't counting the Bowl game, right, correct? Yeah,
all that was pre bowlstats, which is just mind boggling.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Golf in nineteen eighty five can be summed up by
one name, and it wasn't even his real name. Two
Chip Chin TC Chen double hit a ball in the
fun around of the US Open in nineteen eighty five,
and it essentially cost him to lead. Andy North would
go on to win a second US Open at Oakland Hills.
Baron had longer won the Masters the final two green
(43:38):
jackets for him, but TC Chen then because of the
error made, which, by the way, no longer.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Is a penalty in golf.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
If you hit the ball twice, it is no longer
a penalty, but nineteen eighty five it was, and it
likely costs Chen a US Open title.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Chi Nike sounds racist, by the way, it sounds like
something Rodney Dangerfield.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
No, it sounds like it sounds like Goodfellas. You remember
I had the nicknames, right, Hey, here's to chick ten
over there.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
The TC was abbreviated from what his real name was,
but then because he hit it twice, to Chip just
worked out perfectly.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
The number one pick in the nineteen eighty five NFL
draft anybody great player, Hall of Fame player, defensive end.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
The nineteen eighty five drafts Yep, Buffalo Bills. Yeah, Bruce Smith,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
The second pick was Bill.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Fralick, Yeah, Atlanta Hawks, Right there you go, Aleta Falcons, Yeah, Falcons. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
The first quarterback in that draft, Kay was in the
second round out of UNLV Randall Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
I'm sorry, I thought you were Yep, No, no.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
It was kind of a quid's question. Whatever. I just
it's really amazing on how things have changed. Right, third
quarterback was in the second quarterback was in the third
was Frank Reich. Frank Reich. And the fourth quarterback taken
wasn't taken until I had this written down earlier. I
just want to make sure I got it right, Like,
(45:14):
wasn't taken until the sixth round, which was Rusty Hilger.
Think about it, that's crazy, Like now all those guys
would be the top top pick, but back then they're like, yeah,
we don't really need a quarterback. Hilde went six round.
Speaker 4 (45:28):
On sixth round, he was the Tom Brady of the
eighty five draft.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
It's funny you bring up Bruce Smith. I remember I
saw a documentary on Bruce Smith and he was had
some headphones on the when he got the call that
he was drafted. And this the ironic thing is that
he had this song in his headphones.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Oh Jit a bug.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
This is wake me Up before you go go on that.
Wham's monster hit album, Make It Big. Wham Wham Make
It Big was the album of nineteen eighty four, but
this song was so popular that it was the Billboard
one hundred top three Song of the Year in nineteen
eighty five. This is Dan Bayer's favorite singer of all time.
(46:18):
I don't know how he ranked Wham and George Michael
or if he puts them in the same category.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Wake Me Up before you go dope? Uh? That year
in movies, can we go to eighty five movies? Obviously
everybody knows the eighties and nineties best decades ever for movies.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Wait, can do you guys remember what?
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Movie?
Speaker 2 (46:37):
In early two thousands?
Speaker 6 (46:38):
Is two thousands popularized this song again with a scene
where guys are spraying each other with gasoline.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Zoolander, Yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 5 (46:45):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
Nineteen eighty five deserves a full hour, like we're just
not gonna get to everything.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
But this is okay. Sorry, back to you, Doug.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
This is so good.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Okay, so number one film in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Five, Back to the Future.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Yeah ah, back to the future. Gotta go back in time,
Back to the Future. Second highest grossing film in eighty five,
First Blood Part two, third highest grossing film. Another on
another Sevester saloon movie, Rocky four. I don't know, I
want to ruin this for you, but a rock Go
(47:19):
pulls this one out right, rock go.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
It.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
I was good change and use good change. We all
good change right, color purple, Color Purple was four out
of Africa, five Cocoon six, Jewel of the Nile. He
remember Jewel the Nile?
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Was that Michael Douglas.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, yeah uh. Goonies was then Goonies and Spies like
Us both in eighty five. If you haven't watched Goonies
the Summer wrong with your childhood and Spies like Us
was back and again when chevy Chase was funny, He's
not funny anymore. Spies like us. Coalerre I gots on
coffee and that is don't all to throw back Thursday.
(48:01):
Hey I'm talking to human fly, you Irish funk.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Don't call it a throwback.
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