December 5, 2025 • 46 mins
On a Friday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about his frustrating loss Thursday night as head coach of the Green Bay Phoenix and addresses the chair throwing incident that was picked up by influencers and news outlets.
Doug welcomes former Bucs' GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about the Cowboys, Shedeur Sanders and all of the headlines around the NFL.
Doug and the crew discuss the George Pickens situation in Dallas as the receiver had a poor outing on Thursday night.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Foxsports Radio. I do know the Lions beat the Cowboys
last night.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm aware.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
I watched every stap because I was coaching a basketball game.
But I did watch the NFL network at some time
in the night, and I did get the general gist
of things. I was busy wallowing in it. And that's
where we begin. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. We
got a lot to get to we had to nest
last night's Lions win Cowboys loss, a huge weekend in
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college football. All right, you guys want to start there?
Is that what we should do or or I guess
we talk about the fact that what's being called a
chair throwing was the lead story for ESPN dot com
for a minute and then ESPN's college basketball page. And look,
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I started with the premise or the question I posed
to the guys, which is they got it had to
be a slow news day, right, slow news day. But
I was kind of talked into and I actually believe
that that's not what it's about.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
For the record, my basketball team had a.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh was it eleven point lead with two thirty eight
to go at home in the conference opener against defending
conference champion and conference tournament champion Robert Morris Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And we lost. We lost. We were up.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Seven with a minute and thirty to go. Lost, and
you know, we missed a couple free throws, but twenty
five to thirty one. We turned the ball over, but
only one bad turnover. And it was one of those
series of things that all of a sudden go wrong,
right from uh, from two bad possessions to one bad
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turnover on a miscommunication and then giving up three pointers
one and one, and next thing you know, you turn around,
you leave their best shooter, and then they beat us
on a play that we had struggled to guard and
switched to cover John.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And I mean, it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Stings worse than you can imagine. But in case you're wondering,
the story of the day is that I threw a chair. Now,
I'd like to say that I played for John McCloud,
Notre Dame. He was a big chair tucker in her guy.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We tuck in those chairs, Notre Dame. We can't be immature,
So you know, I was just trying to put away
the chair. I was just putting away the chair that
was left sort of in the door that leads upstairs
to our locker room at the Cress Events Center. But
obviously it's frustration that you have to hold in. You
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can't tell your players to keep their cool. When granted
it was after the game, granted it was off the court,
and it was tucked in a kind of vomitorium area.
Still it's within sight of a camera to where they
get you doing it, and it becomes bigger than the
actual story, which is, hey, we got a pretty good team,
we've been playing really good basketball, and.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We we frankly choked. Frankly choked. It's really what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Everybody owns it, myself included, and got to be better.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Dan Byer, go ahead, you have you look like you
have a question, right.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
No, I just I thought that it was interesting and honestly, Doug,
because of the tip off time, it takes me about
an hour or so to get home, so I didn't
see what was going on. But I was checking in
on the game and saw that you guys were up,
was following it along on the box score, and then
put it away when I thought the game was in hand,
and then I came back and saw that there were
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four seconds left and it was eighty to seventy eight,
And so I was shocked in just how it happened.
And then I felt bad for you. And then about
an hour later than everything ended up going crazy on
social media.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So, Jase, do you think it's just that because it's me,
that's the reason that people seem to care.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, We've talked about this before. Right of your one
of your gifts is that you have the ability to
really piss off people. And we learned last season that
you have ticked off a lot of people for whatever reason,
and they're just waiting for you to do something bad.
And I think last and obviously that includes somebody on
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the editorial staff at ESPN. We remember last December when
they completely misrepresented a farcical post about you, and they
ran with it as it was news. I think it's
the same editor who made this a the front story
on ESPN dot com and now it's still up as
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a college basketball I just think that there's something about
you and your name that gets clicks where people like to,
I don't know, hate read stories about you. I don't
know what the proper term is, but I don't think
it had anything to do with it being a slow
college basketball night. I just think people have eyes on you,
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for better or worse, and when you do anything that
could be constructed as negative, they're gonna they're gonna put
more focus on it than they would any other coach.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But probably pretty accurate, probably very accurate.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And it's okay, you know, it's like the that is
our what is it our fifth consecutive close game? Right
Minnesota overtime Yale was two to twenty nine seconds ago.
Then we won two close ones UMass and Iona, and
then we well, I have Haskell was a blowout. It's
a non D one, but then this one in our
D one games, like they've all been been close, and
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we gotta be better, we gotta be better. But yeah,
I guess that's what it is. I'm sure there's someone
there that has an excuse the expression a hard on
for me, but I you.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Know, what I believe is like, whoever.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Is there now wasn't there when I was there because
I was offered a five year contract when I left,
and you know, they get really protective of their guys.
I guess, And maybe it's an Adam Shefard thing, but
I do think that it's classic clickbait because even the
idea that I threw a chair, well, all right, well
when was the stool? And secondly, wasn't during the game.
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There's nobody year round. I don't know it was.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It was not Bobby Knight like people tried to make
it seem like that, like what it was hidden behind
a bleacher, which I am I'll speak for you, but
I'm almost one hundred percent sure, one hundred percent sure
that you had no idea that you were even on camera.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
No cool, No, I mean again, you shouldn't do anything,
You shouldn't react anyway. Right, But again it's like the
let's not act like I was throwing a fit even
on the sideline, Like I shook hands with Andy Toole.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
His team made shots, we did not. They got play
made plays, we did not. They stole one. Great. You know,
I'm sure next time round they'll be way better. Hopefully
will be better.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But shook hands and was walking off and was us
so furious and some of it if we're if I'm
just being honest, it's not all It's not like directed
at the players. It's the I want to win. I
want to win. I want to prepare my team to win.
I want to put them in and I don't think
I did the best job. It's not just them, this
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is us.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
We have end of game sets and end of game plays,
and we had a little bit of wonky lineup. So
I tried to I tried to run something that we
had we've been working on or whatever, like yeah, but
you know, I take that on myself. You know, late
in the game, Dan Byer, we were up two points,
they had the ball, and I considered fouling their leading scorer,
who's only a forty percent free throw shooter. I didn't
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they drive in, we have somebody help, who's not supposed
to help.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They kick it out, hit a three.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We're down one, and I'm I'm just so mad at
myself because have we fouled. The book tells you to
foul that guy that the likelihood of a forty percent
free throw shooter making two consecutive shots in a one
in one is slim to none. And he's one of
their best rebounders, so we would have a great shot
at rebounding the free throws on like onlike previous years
or whatever. But you do bring losing into play. But
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I'm mad at myself for timeouts, substitutions, adjustments or whatever.
But again you have to keep that in. But again
they like, really, this is this is what we've come to.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I was more surprised that you swore in your postgame
presser than actually throwing a chair.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, what and what's interesting about that one? And again
I'm not blaming I think the Fox guy put it
out there was we were kind of done, and then
I I kind of looked at the statuet and then
I just kind of it was a ramble on sentence
right before I left, and I was like, ah, then
they clip me.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I actually thought that you guys started an in the
bonus press conference where you don't care about your language,
that it's after the press conference. Yes, that's what I
sa it was.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Here, here's the end the bonus press conference.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Go ahead, unbelievaly frustrating, like unbelievally frustrating. You do everything,
you prepare them, you get them right there, they have
the game and they just they gotta, they gotta, they
gotta bring it home, and we just didn't. You know,
we get to line thirty one times is great. We
shot twenty five to thirty one, which is which is excellent,
But we got to make the wins account. So, I mean,
we had a good basketball team, but can I we
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just gave that the way I mean, sorry, that's how
I That's how I speak in real life, you know,
I mean, I don't know. Oh, I'm gonna tell you this, Okay,
So here's the the question that I know the answer to.
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But I'm wondering if you guys are gonna ask, is
balance the wins versus the losses like, which is a
stronger feeling.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And I'm just telling you like the wins.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It it's it's cliche, but it's cliche because it's true.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The wins are a relief. It's just a relief. The
losses are the worst because you want to go. It's
you want to go, like, no, I knew the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's like a test you'd study for and then all
of a sudden at the end you screw up the
last couple questions.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They're like, oh, I know that answer. Can I take
the test again?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
They're like, no, we don't. There's no makeup work here.
It's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You're also Doug talking to two guys right now, and
Jason and myself who will have their days ruined by
an elimination or a loss in fantasy football. And by
the way, there are thousands, if not millions, of people
like Jason and myself who will feel that way about
their picks or their teams where it will ruin their
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night or will ruin their day where they maybe maybe
not throw a chair, but want to throw a chair.
So that's the part that I find kind of ridiculous
of all of this is everybody hates the freaking lose.
You're doing it on that scale, that on that platform,
in what was a winnable game. Yeah, like it's it's understandable,
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delicious than what it I think actually.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Was no question, no question. But you know, here, here's
one again. You learn something every day. We were up
to with thirty five seconds to go, or actually thirty
nine seconds to go, we throw the ball in bounds,
which we weren't supposed to. We're supposed to bleed clock, okay,
but we don't. So we throw the ball in bounds,
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and my point guard, who played great but he was cramping,
falls down on a cramp and luckily dribble the ball
off somebody else's foot and they just pick it up
out of bounds. Otherwise it would have been tie game
right there. Anyway, the official comes over and then we
have to take him off the court, and the official
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says it's an injury time out.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Okay, so injury time out.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, I hear time out, and I think that the
rule is on a timeout, the ten second violation resets,
but it was an injury timeout, so it didn't reset.
So when we throw the ball in there's twenty six
seconds on the shot clock. We got a ten second
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violation at twenty seconds, but it was only six seconds
to get across mid court. And again I'm upset because
that's on me. I'm the head coach. You know, my
bench we didn't know. But I asked the official, I said,
is that a timeout? He said it's yes, it is
an he said it's an injury timeout, and I, I
just be honest with you, I didn't know the distinction
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between the two. I heard time out. I thought it
meant a reset and it didn't. So again, I'm not
just frustrated other people. I'm pressurally myself too, And these
are things that you only learned once, you know, I hope.
But it did giving up fourteen off and the rebounds
felt like last year, even though the personnel was different.
But again, I didn't play some of our new personnel
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because I just didn't think they were as engaged or
as connected as we want them to be.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Like, I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It the right way, and I felt like I was,
for the most part rewarded by it. And then the
gods of basketball and our team collectively again coaching staff included,
we choked game.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
We could have should have won. We did not you
have the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm even up seven with a minute and ten to go,
like usually win the game, especially when we're a good
free throw shooting team and free throws.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Though we missed a couple, you know, we were down one.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
We drove in there with like seven eight seconds, so
whatever we missed it or twelve fourteen second excuse me,
we just now and who had twenty missed one of
street throws even missed it badly missed it out.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But again that's how you lose games.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So oh, anyway, the answer your question is, and you
know this from fantasy football, winning versus losing. Winning is
a relief losing his misery and it lasts way way longer.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, and it sounds so it sounds so trivial, but
it's just just like fantasy football is compared to to
what this is, to what you're doing. But I just
feel like we all have this, those same emotions where
we would throw a chair if it wasn't hours and
we had to go buy a new one.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Truly, we checked on the chair.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Gotten treatment today, a little little bruising, but it's good,
it's it's fine the chair. No chairs were actually damaged
or injured during the postgame.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Theatrics by yours truly.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So I again, I don't ever want to make my
bosses look bad or my program look bad.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I should.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I gotta contain my frustration. And I you know, I
wasn't there. There's nobody. I thought there was nobody around
or whatever. I was just mad and I acted like
a petulant child, which I can not.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So we move on.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
This is the best of the Doug gott Lieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So Michaeh
Parsons is well, he's quickly becoming obviously a fan favorite.
Now I'm playing well for the Packers, but then you know,
now he hates the Bears. Rivalries, he says, are for
the people. It's for the fans. For me, it's just
going out there and dominating. I just don't like him
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because I just see like the disrespect. Here's Micah Parsons
on what he doesn't like about the Bears.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Respect is something that's earned, and these people want to
come here, and they want to meet us in our house,
and you know we got to eventually go there. That's
you know, someone comes from your law. What would you say? So,
you know, it's it's that type of it's about. It's
a respect thing, like you know, especially losing a couple
of games at home and the way we lost him
in a fashion, right, you know, I think we have
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to come together as a defense to get our respect back.
And it starts to Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It starts to Sunday to get your respect back. Sesame
Street helped raise all of us. Now it's our turn
donate this holiday season at says to me dot org,
because the world needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. I
don't know if the Bears are disrespectful. I mean, he
hasn't played against him, But I do agree with him
that rivalries generally, especially your new player, for fans. But yeah,
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the old talk of respect, I don't know, it seems
like a little bit a reach. Again, agree with the
premise that the rivalries are more for the fans, and
again mostly because he hadn't played against the Bears as
a member of the Packers, it'll be different once you
start playing against him. But then the other part to
it is, yeah, I mean I think that he's searching
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for disrep which I haven't seen. I haven't seen there
from the Bears. But the Bears are going to run
the football, and you know, if he sees that as disrespect, great,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I haven't seen any of it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It feels like Micah Parson's making a disrespect out of nothing,
which is what guys do to motivate themselves. But why
would you need motivation when it's the Bears and you're
still playing to win the division? All Right, It's Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Dan. We talked about sports
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superstitions earlier this week, So in any way, are you
superstitious with yet or we talked about it earli this week?
You didn't, but we talked about it early this week.
Sports superstitions. Okay, Ohio State loses last year to Michigan,
they go on to win a national champion We've seen
this from Ohio State previously, not Big ten championship game,
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but otherwise, is there a result that convinces you? It's like,
is it better if Ohio State loses this game? I
guess is the question.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I thought you were going to go down superstition road.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, I that's a whole other conversation. But I don't
think that this game matters. I think that it's Indiana's
super Bowl. To be honest with you, I think that
I don't think that Ohio State can gain a ton
from this. We don't even know how the other matchups
are being set up. So if there's a team that
Ohio State doesn't match up with necessarily, well, like you know,
a Notre Dame team that can run the football better
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than most, that would be an interesting matchup. Considering what
happened last year. We don't know where Notre Dame is
going to be in the bracket, so it may not
be beneficial to be number one as opposed to number four.
So I just I don't think there's a lot to
play for. But I think for Indiana to prove where
they are, and it's something we talked about this week.
I just I think it's such a huge, huge game
for them. And that's not to give Ohio State any outs.
I just don't think there's a lot to gain for
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Ohio State in this game.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, I would agree, and being interest to see how
they compete regardless of it. Mark Dominic joins Us spent
twenty years in the NFL front officers in scouting former
gentle manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. If you're the GM
and the Cowboys, what do you do with George Pickens today?
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Well, you know, this is the reason why I got
George Pickens in the first place. Let's go back to
the history of Mike Tommon and receivers at Pittsburgh that
don't fit the culture. He ships him out. Whether it's
Chase Claypool, Antonio Brown. You can go down the list
and the guys just disappear off the map once they leave,
you know, Pittsburgh. So a little bit you could fault
the Steelers in terms of like maybe they're missing the
character part. But when Mike Toman tried to trade you
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a wide receiver, or the Pittsburgh Steelers try to trade
you a wide receiver from the Steelers, buyer beware because
right now they've never been wrong about it. Maybe they've
had a little bit of a glimpse of here or there,
and Pickets has been to Darling. I think this is
one of the ones whereas a GM, if I'm there,
I just come upstairs and ask him to watch the
tape with me. That's it. I just want him to
see that I see what he sees and know this
affects his long term value, and I would leave it there.
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I do not cut him. I do not pull him
off the team or anything like that. I give him
a chance to watch the tape in front of me
and see what he.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Does, okay, and what what is the worst possible reaction
and how would you react?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
The worst reaction would be is he gets he gets pissed,
he says something he regrets, where he says something he
shouldn't say, and that's okay if that I mean mean,
if that's how he responds to it, not seeing it
as Hey, I'm trying to help you here, because I
made the trade to get you and I'm trying to
make sure that you know you get the most out
of your career and we get the most of your
career as well. And if he can't handle that, well, then,
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you know, then I've got to have to have another
discussion with Jerry Jones about my next step of what
I've got to do with him, because if he's not
going to tie the line and show that he can
learn from that, and we've seen this before other players
around the league. Sometimes they get bench for a quarter,
you know, this situation, maybe you say, hey, look, we
can't have that kind of attitude, of that kind of effort.
You're not going to start the next game. That's just
the way it is. And then we're going to see
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if you can, you know, take the next step and
get back on the line. So I think you have
to do that. If he decides he's just not buying
it and he doesn't want to be there, I'm just
going to remind him and McCall's agent, of course, and say,
you do you realize your guy is going to be
out of league in one to two years.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I'm with you, I mean, I would not.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know, there's some speculation it's because there's been franchise
tag talk like you know, I'm not doing I'm not
giving them some like wait, I'm supposed to give you
some big contract of the act like that in a
nationally televised handalone game when we're in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Come on, man, we're doing here? What are we actually doing?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It is dou Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
the Lions. What was better about their offense last night?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
Well?
Speaker 8 (22:29):
They ran I mean, you know, obviously running the ball
was really fantastic and just felt like they understood the
importance of the game. They knew the assignment, so to speak,
and they knew this is a game where they if
they're going to stand in the playoff hunt, they had
to get the victory. And I think the real lion
showed up last night. Jared Goff made his throws, but
really running the ball, just tackling better for the most part.
But I think the main part was just being able
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to be balanced. And I think you saw that last night,
and that's exactly what Dan Campbell wants to be. And
you know, I thought the running game was the big difference.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
All Right, we're getting ready for this weekend. Bears Packers.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Packers have speed, Bears have power, and I mean, if
you go by last week an unbelievable running game. Packers
defense feels like it kind of feels like they'll Peyton
Manning Colts defenses. And tell me if I'm wrong, But
the Peyton Manning Colt defenses where we want Peyton's going
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to get the lead and then we're going to pin
my years back and use our speed to get after
the quarterback. The only times that doesn't work is when
somebody's super conservative and runs the football. Am I accurate
in any way in the comparison?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Yeah, I think you are. And I think for the
Green Bay Packers, you know a guy by the name
of Carl Brooks. He's going to to really step up
on the inside. He's been playing well, I think all
season long with Wyatt down and the defensive line. Carl
Brooks is gonna be named as a Packer fan that
I'm going to be watching really hard to see how
the run game goes and what he can do, because
that's really where he excels at. And so I just
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want to see him play in that venue to see
how he performs, because that's really the most important thing
for the Packers right now, to be able to shut
down that run so they can be that type of
team to get to be, you know, not only obviously
you know, pass rushers, but even to some of the
other guys that maybe people don't know as well, the
Edrin Cooper's or whomever that are really I think speed
guys as well off the edge. Let alone to Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so let's pop around the league just a little bit
more as we get ready for this weekend, the Steelers
they're taking on the Ravens. I have questions about both teams.
Let's start with the Steelers. You started talking about Mike Tomlin.
Does feel like this is a year where they went
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all in. What's missing? Why are they not better?
Speaker 9 (24:43):
Well?
Speaker 8 (24:43):
I think probably the main reason is Aaron Rodgers, I
think finally starting to look even though he's an older quarterback.
I think he's feeling like he's an older quarterback in
the game and the way he's just moving around the field.
And yes, Tom Brady was playing at an older level,
but Tom's arm still and Eric's got a good arm,
but Tom's head and arm and everything. We're really kind
of working together. And the Steelers in terms of, you know,
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who's the number two receiver, who's going to be or
who's the number one, who's the number three, which tight
end can show up, and who's gonna make the plays
for him?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
You know?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I just I feel like the Steelers just don't have
the firepower that you want to have. Where you saw
Tom Brady do it, but it was Mike Evans, it
was Chris Godwin. There was a lot of good players
there that were making plays all of Obviously Gronk was there,
and so I think that's the difference we see with
the Pittsburgh Steelers is the skill players on offense just
aren't dynamic. And it's been something I think that slowly
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has been pulled away from the Steelers over the last
couple of years. And I think that's why they've kind
of been this fringe team each year. Can they get
over five hundred? I think they'll be over five hundred
this year. But I feel like the Raiders are going
to win this game because excuse me, the Ravens are
going to win this game because I think they're going
to get the ball into Derek Henry's hands and let
him carry them to a victory.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Okay, let's get to the Chador Sanders. Okay, we got
two games. Now, what's your as a general manager, what's
your perception of of should Door.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Sanders still's kind of the same, you know, I still
think the game is going to happen fast for him.
I think he can draw up plays and make plays,
and he can you know, throw the ball and things
like that. But I still feel like the accuracy part
is going to be an issue for Shador as he
continues to go, and especially in that mid tier range,
those throws from like twelve to twenty, those are the
ones I really want to see him get a lot
more consistent with because those are the really the game changers.
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Those are the ones you need when you're in third
and eight, and I just don't feel like Shador is
hitting those with a good accuracy right now the way
he's throwing the ball because he feel like he's rushed
and I think he knows where. I think he thinks
he wants to go with it, but I think he's
rushing himself and therefore he's throwing off balance or he's
not you know, really following through with his motion, and
I think that's causing him to be off.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I would I would agree there. I just yeah, I don't,
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I feel like he's a back peddler. That's who he's been,
and they're trying to protect him, but he's clearly not
seeing things and he doesn't know what he sees. He
just dumps it off like that's his that's kind of.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
His m O.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Right, He's a young quarterback that doesn't want to lose
the job. Now, and that's not the way to win
the quarterback job. And that's you know, he's wanting to
prove that he can have the job. But part of
that is being able to say, hey, look let's go
rip this ball down the field and trust my guy's
going to make the play at the fifteen yards down
the field. And I don't think I don't think Shduer
looks like that guy that's going to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
What is it that Daniel Jones is hurt? Is that
why he's not running as much? What's happened to the Colts?
They went from a dynamic team to one that's kind
of limping to the finish line.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of that. I
think it's that Johnson Taylor's, you know, the heartbeat of
that team. Kind of what we saw was Saquon Barklay
last year. Why the Eagles feel okay this year even
though they're having a very good season for NFL standards.
You know, people are like, I was wrong with the Eagles. Well,
Saquon Barkley's not running as well. I'd say that Jonathan Taylor,
like as a defensive coordinator, and if I play the
Colts and you're going to beat me with Alex Pierce. Fine,
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I'll lose, but I'm not gonna let you run Jonathon
Taylor down my throat twenty eight times for one hundred
and forty two yards. I'm just not going to do that.
And so I think that's what cordinators are doing. It's like, hey, look,
he can beat us anywhere else, we're just going to
stop the run. And that means the quarterback as well.
And so I think it's a combination. I think they
can find their magic, though. I don't think the Colts
are done. I think that they're going to be a
dangerous out in the playoffs, uh, you know, because I
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think that they can find that with Johnathan Pale and
have those kind of games. But right now, I think
that's the whole focus of every defense coordinators to slow
down that run game.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, I think you're I think you're right. This is
the Doug out Leaves show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
How good is Seattle really?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
I like him a lot. I actually think they're really good.
I think that, you know, they've got a better offensive
line now going you know, Uh, I think that's a
big piece of it. I think they've got a combination
running game and they're just playing smart defensively, and really
that's who he is. I mean, when you hired coach McDonald,
you were hiring a defensive genius from the Ravens, and
everybody knew he was a genius. Ever he wasn't sure
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what's he going to be like as head coach. I
had a chance to spend some time with him at
the owners meetings down in South Florida this last offseason
and really enjoyed my conversation with him and just and
I could see why John Schneider picked him to be
the head coach. And I think he does a good
job of educating guys. And players want nothing more than
Doug is. They want to feel like they're getting better
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and smarter in the game, and they'll play better because
of it. When a player walks into a room and
they're looking at the coach and they're like, I don't
know if this guy knows more than I do, that's
a problem. I think in defense, you can't know more
than the coach. He's that smart and he's that good,
and I think that's really helping Seattle, let alone, what
Sam Darnold's doing, What they're doing offensively. I think the
defensive part is the confidence is really good in this
football team.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, the
Kyler Murray's not going to play the remainder of the season.
What happens to Kyler Murray moving forward?
Speaker 8 (29:43):
I have a feeling, you know, many Austin Forth, the
general manager there, has made the decisions. This is not
their quarterback of the future. He didn't sign, he didn't
draft him, he didn't sign to the extension. But he's
given him an opportunity. I think that they're going to
try to move on. If they can move him, great,
If they can't and they're just going to walk away,
they will. You know, the salary cap is going up
so dramatically over these last few years, it should do
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it again that you can walk away from some of
these quarterback deals used to never be able to walk
away from. And so I think Arizona's in that position
where they can say, hey, look, we're going to find
the new person. The season has not gone the way
I thought it even go for Arizona. I thought they'd
kind of be one of the sleeper A NFC teams.
They're asleep. So they're not sleepers, but I think they're
going to be high enough in the draft to be
able to be a player in terms of getting a
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young quarterback for the future that fits what they want
to be in the mold that they're trying to create
there in Arizona. So I think Calambury has played his
last game. I don't think he played his last game
in the NFL, but I think he's played his last
game in Ears on him.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, Chiefs. What's wrong?
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Well, the offensive line. You know, this goes back to
always what's wrong with the Chiefs is when the line
falls apart and then we see, you know, it looks
like Tray Smith's probably isn't playing. Juwant Taylor's not playing.
And when the Chiefs don't have a very good offensive
line the Bucks in the Super Bowl. The Chiefs just
struggle as a football team. And that's why when they
went out and got Joe Thuney and then they tried to,
you know, really fix the offensive line Orlando Browns a
little bit. That's really what the hallmark is for them
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because then it allows Patrick Mahomes to do his magic.
Now Patrick Mahomes are rushing everything and trying to create
some magic, and I think the other thing on the
other side of the ball is just puer speed. They
just don't have it. I just don't feel like it's
a fast football team, especially in the front seven, and
they're missing that a lot. And they tried to fix
it a couple of years ago in the first round
pick with Felix out of Kansas State, but he's just
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not really kind of found a way to get a
role in the defense. They have to have somebody that
can throw a fastball on defense. They don't have that.
That's really what's hurting on the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
We're coming to the end, but now you're starting to
see the separation that haves and have not so trying
to figure.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Out who's who's Who's any good? Hey, last last one.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
We're actually I forget Monday Night Eagles Chargers charge has
been banged up forever, getting a little healthier. But now
no Carter for the Eagles. How much does that change
them in their pass rush?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
I think it changes a ton. I think they need
Carter desperately and to have, you know, the soldiers or
the surgery work on Carter. Hopefully that means that he'll
be back in time to the postseason, because they need
Jalen Carter. I think he's a big part of what
they do and and certainly a beast on the inside
that he just can't handle from a physical standpoint and
you know, from a just a pure strength standpoint, and
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so I think it's a good matchup. I still think
the Eagles will be the better team. Chargers of my
AFC team, I thought it was a sleeper. They've done
a really good job where I thought, you know, I
don't know that was a big sleeper. Arizona's my NFC team.
Philly is the team I think we're gonna see a
lot more stake on Barkley. I think now it's time
to jump on the horse and ride it all the
way through December into the postseason. They've got him healthy,
Let's run him to make sure we try to find
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a way to make sure we get this number one
seed and be in position to re you know, run
back a Super Bowl and you know, really be the
team that maybe we talk more of the dynasty. I
love the Chargers. I just think the offensive line is
going to come back and haunt them. Losing your starting
two tackles is really tough to overcome. They've done a
good job with it, but I still think the Eagles
are a fundamentally overall better team.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Great stuff.
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tamp Bay Buccaneers. Get his thoughts on last night's game.
Speaking of last night's game, instead of worrying about me
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pushing a stool out of the way on the way
out of our our arena, we could have watched the
highlights or low lights of George Pickens last night. Here's
Richard Sherman, future Hall of Fame cornerback on George Pickens
after the game, the big story.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Here's George Pickens. George Pickens throughout the game, especially late
in the game, just looked uninterested, uninterested in playing football,
you know, and that's what you can't have if you're
gonna be a superstar, if you want to be the
best receiver in the National Football League, can ever be disengaged.
It doesn't matter if the game's going your way, are
not going your way. You can't just disappear in these
games or else you're not gonna have impact. And just
right here, cruising cruising routes, you're the guy, You're the
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guy ceedee Lamba's not in this game. He's out and
you get intercepted on your slant routes and you can't
be the guy in half ascid. I'm sorry, that's just
you can't. It's unacceptable. And if you're the Dallas Cowboys
and you're looking at him and you're looking to pay
him big time receiver money forty million dollars, you gotta
look at this tape and say, hey, is this a
guy we can trust paying forty million dollars to show
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up regardless of circumstance. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's it's really a great point.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's really really a great point in that, you know,
if you're just honest with yourself, we have this on
my basketball team right where it doesn't really matter how
talented you are putting the ball in the basket. If
you're not willing to sacrifice the little things to be
better as a part of a team, then it doesn't
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You can't play a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Engagement is everything.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Anybody can go over the middle can when the ball
is thrown along to you in a huge game, when
he got a chance to win it, anybody can run
all out. It's when you think you're going to lose.
Will you still play?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That's what a professional does. Will you still play hard?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So yeah, I'll be completely honest with you. I did
not watch every snap because I was coaching a basketball game,
But upon review of the game and then watching the highlights,
you're like, holy cow. And the question I would have
Dan Byer is, you know, if you really want to
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make a point and you see the video, you got
to not play him the next game, don't you.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, I think that would be pretty extreme for what
did and didn't happen last night. But the highlights do
not do George Pickens any favors. And if you just
look at the three routes that stood out the most,
including the long shot that Dallas tried to take when
Ceedee Lamb was knocked out after Ceedee Lamb was knocked
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out of the game, and not even making an effort
does not look good on Pickens. Now, I don't think
that what his effort or like thereof is worthy of
a benching, but I do think you have to get
to the bottom of it. You have to find out
why does this happen? Short week is out of the
window because they played last Thursday. There was some reason
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why George Pickens just didn't make any effort on certain routes.
And just a couple of weeks ago he had nine
catches on nine targets from Dak Prescott and that's heck,
that's tough to do. Seven of eight, sure top connections,
eight of ten, nine of nine. They connected every time
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he threw them. So there wasn't just one time where
George Pickens had to fight for something. Of course he did.
Why he didn't last night, I don't know, but I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
But why wouldn't you mention him?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Because I don't think that you could sit there and
say you didn't run hard on these three routes, you're
not going to play the next time. I think they
got to figure out a reason on why things happened
last night, and if they don't like those answers, then
you don't commit the long term money to it. Cowboys
also have a slim chance of making the playoffs, but
it's still a chance. And now with ceedee lamp status
(38:28):
in the air, you kind of need George Pickens. I
don't think that they need to make any grandiose statement
by benching him, but I would definitely have second thoughts.
If this is what you're trying to sort out and
giving him a long term deal.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Could I bring something? Can I bring something to the
table here? It's a cliche and it also has alliteration,
which I love. Past is prologue. Don't you have to
take what we've experienced from George Pickens in Pittsburgh into
account when you factor in your thought process on giving
him long term money. There was also a report that
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they are thinking about franchising him, or they communicated to
the agent that they're going to franchise him, and that
has been consistent. That information has been consistent with his
lack of effort or what have you in the last
couple of weeks. But he's lost the benefit of the doubt.
Right If I was to say to you, Hey, George
Pickens chose not to try hard because he was told
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that he wasn't going to get going to get the contract.
Would that surprise you?
Speaker 3 (39:34):
No, I And to the point Jason, I would not
be surprised at all if this was in response to
the franchise tag scuttle butt that has been going on,
saying like I don't want the franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, so you're not going to play hard.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, it's ridiculous exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
But Dan, if you allow it, you're either coaching it
or allowing it. Right, the coaching and allowing it. And
Brian Schoenheimer's not gonna get hired or fired based upon
this season. They've overachieved based upon what everybody thought is reasonable.
Like dude, if he's not going to go hard after
a football in a game which is still at least
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on some level up in the air, like dude, goodbye,
or to sit for a siper week and see what
that does.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
So on two of the plays he was double covered,
and then I'm not making excuses for him, but I'm
sure that's his reasoning and his rant that he made
to Richard Sherman online after those comments. He brought those
points up. Maybe he thinks it's it's pointless, that's ridiculous
to think that, but maybe that's what's going through his mind.
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I just also think, like you try to treat everybody fair,
you can't treat everybody the same. And the Cowboys actually
need George Pickens. They needed him last night. That would
have helped. And if you don't have Ceedee Lamb, it
just is a lot more difficult for you to get
something done. And so that's why I don't think that
you would suspend him at that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Listen, there's no question you are a more talented team
and you have a better shot on paper of making
the playoffs. Okay, and if you don't have cdee Lamb, boy,
you're not giving your team a great shot. But I
do think that for your team, you can sell it
to him as hey, we're just not gonna take anybody. Now,
you know, the Cowboys never do it because they don't.
But that's why the Cowboys are always under achievers. That's
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literally it again again. Maybe I'm in fantasy land. I
have an I'm gonna there was one I should that too.
I probably should have played last night. We just we
also got really tired. But I have guys on my
roster that talent wise should be playing, but they haven't
been fully engaged. They're not willing to do the little things,
and so I will sacrifice, you know, minutes to guys
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that are fully engaged, even they're not as talented.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I believe that's the only way in which you build it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You make it so that everybody plays to the utmost,
no matter how much time, whatever the score is.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
That's just a belief of mine.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Granted, you do run the risk of not having enough
football talent and losing the game because of it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I also think if you suspend him that really or
don't play him, that really lessens the opportunity that he
may come back. And I know what you're gonna say,
Doug is fine, we don't want a guy like that, correct,
But I think that this is I mean, this is
dallas On. Do you franchise tag him or do you
give him the contract that he wants. What is the
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constant of that is that George Pickens is a cowboy
in twenty twenty six. So now if you're benching him,
I'm not saying you have to coddle to everything that
he wants, but this I think would have the opposite effect.
And maybe you're getting the answer that you need to
know by saying this. But if you bench him, I
don't think that there's any chance at the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Don't franchise tagment, doesn't that.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
No, but I would do you think George Pickens is
going to want to be there, which he's not happy
on a franchise tag, And now he's not happy because
the team ends up you know, throwing uh you know,
ends up suspending him for one game for what they
perceived was a lack of effort.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, So what you're doing is you're coaching, like in
college coaching, you're coaching out of fear for next year
and fear out of Hey, he may be happy, unhappy,
he may leave, he may not resign. And again that's
a this is the really hard part about it. Okay,
Like in college basketball, you bench guys, they can they
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can leave at the end of the year. Heck, they
can leave whenever they want, and nothing you can do
about it. Whatever My point is, it doesn't matter what
you pay him or how much you do. If if
you don't nip this in the butt now, if you
make that in any way, okay, acceptable then even when
you give him the money, if you want him to stay,
he's going to be a dog anyway.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
That doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Leopards don't just change their spots over night, especially if
this is in regards to a contract thing. You're talking
in a regular season coming off the biggest win of
the year, and that's how you act.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I don't want you're right, you're right right.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Remember it's still George Pickens. It's still the guy that
Pittsburgh could not stand they drafted him. He's super talented,
they couldn't stand. So I don't think he's gonna have
Like do I think you have value elsewhere? Yeah, but
those guys are really hard to win with. They are
Pittsburgh obviously not as talented without him, but they're gonna
have the same records they had without him as that
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with him, because those guys don't help you win. There's
sometimes guys this.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
To me in a Dallas uniform is and that's what
I think he can be judged on in the immediacy
is a first time offense. Whether you want to take
his history in Pittsburgh into giving him a long term
deal or using the franchise franchise tag that is different.
But I think if this is just a one off
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of like, man, what went on last night, and if
there was a reason, or it wasn't a reason, whatever
the case may be, that then deals with the immediate
immediate see of does he play the next game or not?
But then you take all of the information and try
to decide because he has been really good, like he's
been really really good.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
No, he's super talented.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
So for one game to throw it out, you know,
just after one game.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Ya twenty two And I don't know if that, but
but if this is a reaction to the franchise tag like, hey,
you're not you want a big contract, this is how
you perform, We're gonna pay you top five average salaries.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Here's Jerry Jones, the owner, after the game, he.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
Didn't have the game, that he's been happy, but effort.
I would be very careful with him going there. This
guy is a is a he's explosive with his temperament.
And I say that in a positive way. So I
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don't think so much it was effort, but I might not.
But but I don't necessarily have a good explanation as
to why he didn't show up more. But no, I'm
not at all concerned going forward about Pickens. I would
agree with you. I thought we would have more with
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him than we did.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I would have thought I would have thought we'd had
more with him than we did without him.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's by and large.
Speaker 9 (46:19):
I've been thinking about it a lot.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
In a shower, I will say that I think Jerry
Jones and I are on the same page.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I think you are. I think you are, and I
think that's what's going to happen.
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Foxsports Radio. I do know the Lions beat the Cowboys
last night.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I'm aware.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you
I watched every stap because I was coaching a basketball game.
But I did watch the NFL network at some time
in the night, and I did get the general gist
of things. I was busy wallowing in it. And that's
where we begin. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. We
got a lot to get to we had to nest
last night's Lions win Cowboys loss, a huge weekend in
(01:15):
college football. All right, you guys want to start there?
Is that what we should do or or I guess
we talk about the fact that what's being called a
chair throwing was the lead story for ESPN dot com
for a minute and then ESPN's college basketball page. And look,
(01:37):
I started with the premise or the question I posed
to the guys, which is they got it had to
be a slow news day, right, slow news day. But
I was kind of talked into and I actually believe
that that's not what it's about.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
For the record, my basketball team had a.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh was it eleven point lead with two thirty eight
to go at home in the conference opener against defending
conference champion and conference tournament champion Robert Morris Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And we lost. We lost. We were up.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Seven with a minute and thirty to go. Lost, and
you know, we missed a couple free throws, but twenty
five to thirty one. We turned the ball over, but
only one bad turnover. And it was one of those
series of things that all of a sudden go wrong,
right from uh, from two bad possessions to one bad
(02:35):
turnover on a miscommunication and then giving up three pointers
one and one, and next thing you know, you turn around,
you leave their best shooter, and then they beat us
on a play that we had struggled to guard and
switched to cover John.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And I mean, it.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Stings worse than you can imagine. But in case you're wondering,
the story of the day is that I threw a chair. Now,
I'd like to say that I played for John McCloud,
Notre Dame. He was a big chair tucker in her guy.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We tuck in those chairs, Notre Dame. We can't be immature,
So you know, I was just trying to put away
the chair. I was just putting away the chair that
was left sort of in the door that leads upstairs
to our locker room at the Cress Events Center. But
obviously it's frustration that you have to hold in. You
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can't tell your players to keep their cool. When granted
it was after the game, granted it was off the court,
and it was tucked in a kind of vomitorium area.
Still it's within sight of a camera to where they
get you doing it, and it becomes bigger than the
actual story, which is, hey, we got a pretty good team,
we've been playing really good basketball, and.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
We we frankly choked. Frankly choked. It's really what happened.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Everybody owns it, myself included, and got to be better.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Dan Byer, go ahead, you have you look like you
have a question, right.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
No, I just I thought that it was interesting and honestly, Doug,
because of the tip off time, it takes me about
an hour or so to get home, so I didn't
see what was going on. But I was checking in
on the game and saw that you guys were up,
was following it along on the box score, and then
put it away when I thought the game was in hand,
and then I came back and saw that there were
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four seconds left and it was eighty to seventy eight,
And so I was shocked in just how it happened.
And then I felt bad for you. And then about
an hour later than everything ended up going crazy on
social media.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So, Jase, do you think it's just that because it's me,
that's the reason that people seem to care.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, We've talked about this before. Right of your one
of your gifts is that you have the ability to
really piss off people. And we learned last season that
you have ticked off a lot of people for whatever reason,
and they're just waiting for you to do something bad.
And I think last and obviously that includes somebody on
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the editorial staff at ESPN. We remember last December when
they completely misrepresented a farcical post about you, and they
ran with it as it was news. I think it's
the same editor who made this a the front story
on ESPN dot com and now it's still up as
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a college basketball I just think that there's something about
you and your name that gets clicks where people like to,
I don't know, hate read stories about you. I don't
know what the proper term is, but I don't think
it had anything to do with it being a slow
college basketball night. I just think people have eyes on you,
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for better or worse, and when you do anything that
could be constructed as negative, they're gonna they're gonna put
more focus on it than they would any other coach.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But probably pretty accurate, probably very accurate.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
And it's okay, you know, it's like the that is
our what is it our fifth consecutive close game? Right
Minnesota overtime Yale was two to twenty nine seconds ago.
Then we won two close ones UMass and Iona, and
then we well, I have Haskell was a blowout. It's
a non D one, but then this one in our
D one games, like they've all been been close, and
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we gotta be better, we gotta be better. But yeah,
I guess that's what it is. I'm sure there's someone
there that has an excuse the expression a hard on
for me, but I you.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Know, what I believe is like, whoever.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Is there now wasn't there when I was there because
I was offered a five year contract when I left,
and you know, they get really protective of their guys.
I guess, And maybe it's an Adam Shefard thing, but
I do think that it's classic clickbait because even the
idea that I threw a chair, well, all right, well
when was the stool? And secondly, wasn't during the game.
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There's nobody year round. I don't know it was.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
It was not Bobby Knight like people tried to make
it seem like that, like what it was hidden behind
a bleacher, which I am I'll speak for you, but
I'm almost one hundred percent sure, one hundred percent sure
that you had no idea that you were even on camera.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
No cool, No, I mean again, you shouldn't do anything,
You shouldn't react anyway. Right, But again it's like the
let's not act like I was throwing a fit even
on the sideline, Like I shook hands with Andy Toole.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
His team made shots, we did not. They got play
made plays, we did not. They stole one. Great. You know,
I'm sure next time round they'll be way better. Hopefully
will be better.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But shook hands and was walking off and was us
so furious and some of it if we're if I'm
just being honest, it's not all It's not like directed
at the players. It's the I want to win. I
want to win. I want to prepare my team to win.
I want to put them in and I don't think
I did the best job. It's not just them, this
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is us.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
We have end of game sets and end of game plays,
and we had a little bit of wonky lineup. So
I tried to I tried to run something that we
had we've been working on or whatever, like yeah, but
you know, I take that on myself. You know, late
in the game, Dan Byer, we were up two points,
they had the ball, and I considered fouling their leading scorer,
who's only a forty percent free throw shooter. I didn't
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they drive in, we have somebody help, who's not supposed
to help.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
They kick it out, hit a three.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We're down one, and I'm I'm just so mad at
myself because have we fouled. The book tells you to
foul that guy that the likelihood of a forty percent
free throw shooter making two consecutive shots in a one
in one is slim to none. And he's one of
their best rebounders, so we would have a great shot
at rebounding the free throws on like onlike previous years
or whatever. But you do bring losing into play. But
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I'm mad at myself for timeouts, substitutions, adjustments or whatever.
But again you have to keep that in. But again
they like, really, this is this is what we've come to.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I was more surprised that you swore in your postgame
presser than actually throwing a chair.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Well, what and what's interesting about that one? And again
I'm not blaming I think the Fox guy put it
out there was we were kind of done, and then
I I kind of looked at the statuet and then
I just kind of it was a ramble on sentence
right before I left, and I was like, ah, then
they clip me.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I actually thought that you guys started an in the
bonus press conference where you don't care about your language,
that it's after the press conference. Yes, that's what I
sa it was.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Here, here's the end the bonus press conference.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Go ahead, unbelievaly frustrating, like unbelievally frustrating. You do everything,
you prepare them, you get them right there, they have
the game and they just they gotta, they gotta, they
gotta bring it home, and we just didn't. You know,
we get to line thirty one times is great. We
shot twenty five to thirty one, which is which is excellent,
But we got to make the wins account. So, I mean,
we had a good basketball team, but can I we
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just gave that the way I mean, sorry, that's how
I That's how I speak in real life, you know,
I mean, I don't know. Oh, I'm gonna tell you this, Okay,
So here's the the question that I know the answer to.
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But I'm wondering if you guys are gonna ask, is
balance the wins versus the losses like, which is a
stronger feeling.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
And I'm just telling you like the wins.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
It it's it's cliche, but it's cliche because it's true.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
The wins are a relief. It's just a relief. The
losses are the worst because you want to go. It's
you want to go, like, no, I knew the answer.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
It's like a test you'd study for and then all
of a sudden at the end you screw up the
last couple questions.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They're like, oh, I know that answer. Can I take
the test again?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
They're like, no, we don't. There's no makeup work here.
It's not how it works.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
You're also Doug talking to two guys right now, and
Jason and myself who will have their days ruined by
an elimination or a loss in fantasy football. And by
the way, there are thousands, if not millions, of people
like Jason and myself who will feel that way about
their picks or their teams where it will ruin their
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night or will ruin their day where they maybe maybe
not throw a chair, but want to throw a chair.
So that's the part that I find kind of ridiculous
of all of this is everybody hates the freaking lose.
You're doing it on that scale, that on that platform,
in what was a winnable game. Yeah, like it's it's understandable,
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delicious than what it I think actually.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Was no question, no question. But you know, here, here's
one again. You learn something every day. We were up
to with thirty five seconds to go, or actually thirty
nine seconds to go, we throw the ball in bounds,
which we weren't supposed to. We're supposed to bleed clock, okay,
but we don't. So we throw the ball in bounds,
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and my point guard, who played great but he was cramping,
falls down on a cramp and luckily dribble the ball
off somebody else's foot and they just pick it up
out of bounds. Otherwise it would have been tie game
right there. Anyway, the official comes over and then we
have to take him off the court, and the official
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says it's an injury time out.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Okay, so injury time out.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, I hear time out, and I think that the
rule is on a timeout, the ten second violation resets,
but it was an injury timeout, so it didn't reset.
So when we throw the ball in there's twenty six
seconds on the shot clock. We got a ten second
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violation at twenty seconds, but it was only six seconds
to get across mid court. And again I'm upset because
that's on me. I'm the head coach. You know, my
bench we didn't know. But I asked the official, I said,
is that a timeout? He said it's yes, it is
an he said it's an injury timeout, and I, I
just be honest with you, I didn't know the distinction
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between the two. I heard time out. I thought it
meant a reset and it didn't. So again, I'm not
just frustrated other people. I'm pressurally myself too, And these
are things that you only learned once, you know, I hope.
But it did giving up fourteen off and the rebounds
felt like last year, even though the personnel was different.
But again, I didn't play some of our new personnel
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because I just didn't think they were as engaged or
as connected as we want them to be.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Like, I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
It the right way, and I felt like I was,
for the most part rewarded by it. And then the
gods of basketball and our team collectively again coaching staff included,
we choked game.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
We could have should have won. We did not you
have the ball.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm even up seven with a minute and ten to go,
like usually win the game, especially when we're a good
free throw shooting team and free throws.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Though we missed a couple, you know, we were down one.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
We drove in there with like seven eight seconds, so
whatever we missed it or twelve fourteen second excuse me,
we just now and who had twenty missed one of
street throws even missed it badly missed it out.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
But again that's how you lose games.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
So oh, anyway, the answer your question is, and you
know this from fantasy football, winning versus losing. Winning is
a relief losing his misery and it lasts way way longer.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Yeah, and it sounds so it sounds so trivial, but
it's just just like fantasy football is compared to to
what this is, to what you're doing. But I just
feel like we all have this, those same emotions where
we would throw a chair if it wasn't hours and
we had to go buy a new one.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Truly, we checked on the chair.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Gotten treatment today, a little little bruising, but it's good,
it's it's fine the chair. No chairs were actually damaged
or injured during the postgame.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Theatrics by yours truly.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So I again, I don't ever want to make my
bosses look bad or my program look bad.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I should.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I gotta contain my frustration. And I you know, I
wasn't there. There's nobody. I thought there was nobody around
or whatever. I was just mad and I acted like
a petulant child, which I can not.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So we move on.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
This is the best of the Doug gott Lieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. So Michaeh
Parsons is well, he's quickly becoming obviously a fan favorite.
Now I'm playing well for the Packers, but then you know,
now he hates the Bears. Rivalries, he says, are for
the people. It's for the fans. For me, it's just
going out there and dominating. I just don't like him
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because I just see like the disrespect. Here's Micah Parsons
on what he doesn't like about the Bears.
Speaker 7 (16:39):
Respect is something that's earned, and these people want to
come here, and they want to meet us in our house,
and you know we got to eventually go there. That's
you know, someone comes from your law. What would you say? So,
you know, it's it's that type of it's about. It's
a respect thing, like you know, especially losing a couple
of games at home and the way we lost him
in a fashion, right, you know, I think we have
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to come together as a defense to get our respect back.
And it starts to Sunday.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It starts to Sunday to get your respect back. Sesame
Street helped raise all of us. Now it's our turn
donate this holiday season at says to me dot org,
because the world needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. I
don't know if the Bears are disrespectful. I mean, he
hasn't played against him, But I do agree with him
that rivalries generally, especially your new player, for fans. But yeah,
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the old talk of respect, I don't know, it seems
like a little bit a reach. Again, agree with the
premise that the rivalries are more for the fans, and
again mostly because he hadn't played against the Bears as
a member of the Packers, it'll be different once you
start playing against him. But then the other part to
it is, yeah, I mean I think that he's searching
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for disrep which I haven't seen. I haven't seen there
from the Bears. But the Bears are going to run
the football, and you know, if he sees that as disrespect, great,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I haven't seen any of it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It feels like Micah Parson's making a disrespect out of nothing,
which is what guys do to motivate themselves. But why
would you need motivation when it's the Bears and you're
still playing to win the division? All Right, It's Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Dan. We talked about sports
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superstitions earlier this week, So in any way, are you
superstitious with yet or we talked about it earli this week?
You didn't, but we talked about it early this week.
Sports superstitions. Okay, Ohio State loses last year to Michigan,
they go on to win a national champion We've seen
this from Ohio State previously, not Big ten championship game,
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but otherwise, is there a result that convinces you? It's like,
is it better if Ohio State loses this game? I
guess is the question.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
I thought you were going to go down superstition road.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Well, I that's a whole other conversation. But I don't
think that this game matters. I think that it's Indiana's
super Bowl. To be honest with you, I think that
I don't think that Ohio State can gain a ton
from this. We don't even know how the other matchups
are being set up. So if there's a team that
Ohio State doesn't match up with necessarily, well, like you know,
a Notre Dame team that can run the football better
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than most, that would be an interesting matchup. Considering what
happened last year. We don't know where Notre Dame is
going to be in the bracket, so it may not
be beneficial to be number one as opposed to number four.
So I just I don't think there's a lot to
play for. But I think for Indiana to prove where
they are, and it's something we talked about this week.
I just I think it's such a huge, huge game
for them. And that's not to give Ohio State any outs.
I just don't think there's a lot to gain for
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Ohio State in this game.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, I would agree, and being interest to see how
they compete regardless of it. Mark Dominic joins Us spent
twenty years in the NFL front officers in scouting former
gentle manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. If you're the GM
and the Cowboys, what do you do with George Pickens today?
Speaker 8 (20:10):
Well, you know, this is the reason why I got
George Pickens in the first place. Let's go back to
the history of Mike Tommon and receivers at Pittsburgh that
don't fit the culture. He ships him out. Whether it's
Chase Claypool, Antonio Brown. You can go down the list
and the guys just disappear off the map once they leave,
you know, Pittsburgh. So a little bit you could fault
the Steelers in terms of like maybe they're missing the
character part. But when Mike Toman tried to trade you
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a wide receiver, or the Pittsburgh Steelers try to trade
you a wide receiver from the Steelers, buyer beware because
right now they've never been wrong about it. Maybe they've
had a little bit of a glimpse of here or there,
and Pickets has been to Darling. I think this is
one of the ones whereas a GM, if I'm there,
I just come upstairs and ask him to watch the
tape with me. That's it. I just want him to
see that I see what he sees and know this
affects his long term value, and I would leave it there.
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I do not cut him. I do not pull him
off the team or anything like that. I give him
a chance to watch the tape in front of me
and see what he.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Does, okay, and what what is the worst possible reaction
and how would you react?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
The worst reaction would be is he gets he gets pissed,
he says something he regrets, where he says something he
shouldn't say, and that's okay if that I mean mean,
if that's how he responds to it, not seeing it
as Hey, I'm trying to help you here, because I
made the trade to get you and I'm trying to
make sure that you know you get the most out
of your career and we get the most of your
career as well. And if he can't handle that, well, then,
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you know, then I've got to have to have another
discussion with Jerry Jones about my next step of what
I've got to do with him, because if he's not
going to tie the line and show that he can
learn from that, and we've seen this before other players
around the league. Sometimes they get bench for a quarter,
you know, this situation, maybe you say, hey, look, we
can't have that kind of attitude, of that kind of effort.
You're not going to start the next game. That's just
the way it is. And then we're going to see
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if you can, you know, take the next step and
get back on the line. So I think you have
to do that. If he decides he's just not buying
it and he doesn't want to be there, I'm just
going to remind him and McCall's agent, of course, and say,
you do you realize your guy is going to be
out of league in one to two years.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I'm with you, I mean, I would not.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know, there's some speculation it's because there's been franchise
tag talk like you know, I'm not doing I'm not
giving them some like wait, I'm supposed to give you
some big contract of the act like that in a
nationally televised handalone game when we're in the playoff hunt.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Come on, man, we're doing here? What are we actually doing?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
It is dou Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
the Lions. What was better about their offense last night?
Speaker 9 (22:29):
Well?
Speaker 8 (22:29):
They ran I mean, you know, obviously running the ball
was really fantastic and just felt like they understood the
importance of the game. They knew the assignment, so to speak,
and they knew this is a game where they if
they're going to stand in the playoff hunt, they had
to get the victory. And I think the real lion
showed up last night. Jared Goff made his throws, but
really running the ball, just tackling better for the most part.
But I think the main part was just being able
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to be balanced. And I think you saw that last night,
and that's exactly what Dan Campbell wants to be. And
you know, I thought the running game was the big difference.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
All Right, we're getting ready for this weekend. Bears Packers.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Packers have speed, Bears have power, and I mean, if
you go by last week an unbelievable running game. Packers
defense feels like it kind of feels like they'll Peyton
Manning Colts defenses. And tell me if I'm wrong, But
the Peyton Manning Colt defenses where we want Peyton's going
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to get the lead and then we're going to pin
my years back and use our speed to get after
the quarterback. The only times that doesn't work is when
somebody's super conservative and runs the football. Am I accurate
in any way in the comparison?
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Yeah, I think you are. And I think for the
Green Bay Packers, you know a guy by the name
of Carl Brooks. He's going to to really step up
on the inside. He's been playing well, I think all
season long with Wyatt down and the defensive line. Carl
Brooks is gonna be named as a Packer fan that
I'm going to be watching really hard to see how
the run game goes and what he can do, because
that's really where he excels at. And so I just
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want to see him play in that venue to see
how he performs, because that's really the most important thing
for the Packers right now, to be able to shut
down that run so they can be that type of
team to get to be, you know, not only obviously
you know, pass rushers, but even to some of the
other guys that maybe people don't know as well, the
Edrin Cooper's or whomever that are really I think speed
guys as well off the edge. Let alone to Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so let's pop around the league just a little bit
more as we get ready for this weekend, the Steelers
they're taking on the Ravens. I have questions about both teams.
Let's start with the Steelers. You started talking about Mike Tomlin.
Does feel like this is a year where they went
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all in. What's missing? Why are they not better?
Speaker 9 (24:43):
Well?
Speaker 8 (24:43):
I think probably the main reason is Aaron Rodgers, I
think finally starting to look even though he's an older quarterback.
I think he's feeling like he's an older quarterback in
the game and the way he's just moving around the field.
And yes, Tom Brady was playing at an older level,
but Tom's arm still and Eric's got a good arm,
but Tom's head and arm and everything. We're really kind
of working together. And the Steelers in terms of, you know,
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who's the number two receiver, who's going to be or
who's the number one, who's the number three, which tight
end can show up, and who's gonna make the plays
for him?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
You know?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I just I feel like the Steelers just don't have
the firepower that you want to have. Where you saw
Tom Brady do it, but it was Mike Evans, it
was Chris Godwin. There was a lot of good players
there that were making plays all of Obviously Gronk was there,
and so I think that's the difference we see with
the Pittsburgh Steelers is the skill players on offense just
aren't dynamic. And it's been something I think that slowly
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has been pulled away from the Steelers over the last
couple of years. And I think that's why they've kind
of been this fringe team each year. Can they get
over five hundred? I think they'll be over five hundred
this year. But I feel like the Raiders are going
to win this game because excuse me, the Ravens are
going to win this game because I think they're going
to get the ball into Derek Henry's hands and let
him carry them to a victory.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Okay, let's get to the Chador Sanders. Okay, we got
two games. Now, what's your as a general manager, what's
your perception of of should Door.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
Sanders still's kind of the same, you know, I still
think the game is going to happen fast for him.
I think he can draw up plays and make plays,
and he can you know, throw the ball and things
like that. But I still feel like the accuracy part
is going to be an issue for Shador as he
continues to go, and especially in that mid tier range,
those throws from like twelve to twenty, those are the
ones I really want to see him get a lot
more consistent with because those are the really the game changers.
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Those are the ones you need when you're in third
and eight, and I just don't feel like Shador is
hitting those with a good accuracy right now the way
he's throwing the ball because he feel like he's rushed
and I think he knows where. I think he thinks
he wants to go with it, but I think he's
rushing himself and therefore he's throwing off balance or he's
not you know, really following through with his motion, and
I think that's causing him to be off.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
I would I would agree there. I just yeah, I don't,
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I feel like he's a back peddler. That's who he's been,
and they're trying to protect him, but he's clearly not
seeing things and he doesn't know what he sees. He
just dumps it off like that's his that's kind of.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
His m O.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Right, He's a young quarterback that doesn't want to lose
the job. Now, and that's not the way to win
the quarterback job. And that's you know, he's wanting to
prove that he can have the job. But part of
that is being able to say, hey, look let's go
rip this ball down the field and trust my guy's
going to make the play at the fifteen yards down
the field. And I don't think I don't think Shduer
looks like that guy that's going to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
What is it that Daniel Jones is hurt? Is that
why he's not running as much? What's happened to the Colts?
They went from a dynamic team to one that's kind
of limping to the finish line.
Speaker 8 (27:30):
Yeah, I think it's a little bit of that. I
think it's that Johnson Taylor's, you know, the heartbeat of
that team. Kind of what we saw was Saquon Barklay
last year. Why the Eagles feel okay this year even
though they're having a very good season for NFL standards.
You know, people are like, I was wrong with the Eagles. Well,
Saquon Barkley's not running as well. I'd say that Jonathan Taylor,
like as a defensive coordinator, and if I play the
Colts and you're going to beat me with Alex Pierce. Fine,
(27:50):
I'll lose, but I'm not gonna let you run Jonathon
Taylor down my throat twenty eight times for one hundred
and forty two yards. I'm just not going to do that.
And so I think that's what cordinators are doing. It's like, hey, look,
he can beat us anywhere else, we're just going to
stop the run. And that means the quarterback as well.
And so I think it's a combination. I think they
can find their magic, though. I don't think the Colts
are done. I think that they're going to be a
dangerous out in the playoffs, uh, you know, because I
(28:11):
think that they can find that with Johnathan Pale and
have those kind of games. But right now, I think
that's the whole focus of every defense coordinators to slow
down that run game.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, I think you're I think you're right. This is
the Doug out Leaves show. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
How good is Seattle really?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
I like him a lot. I actually think they're really good.
I think that, you know, they've got a better offensive
line now going you know, Uh, I think that's a
big piece of it. I think they've got a combination
running game and they're just playing smart defensively, and really
that's who he is. I mean, when you hired coach McDonald,
you were hiring a defensive genius from the Ravens, and
everybody knew he was a genius. Ever he wasn't sure
(28:48):
what's he going to be like as head coach. I
had a chance to spend some time with him at
the owners meetings down in South Florida this last offseason
and really enjoyed my conversation with him and just and
I could see why John Schneider picked him to be
the head coach. And I think he does a good
job of educating guys. And players want nothing more than
Doug is. They want to feel like they're getting better
(29:10):
and smarter in the game, and they'll play better because
of it. When a player walks into a room and
they're looking at the coach and they're like, I don't
know if this guy knows more than I do, that's
a problem. I think in defense, you can't know more
than the coach. He's that smart and he's that good,
and I think that's really helping Seattle, let alone, what
Sam Darnold's doing, What they're doing offensively. I think the
defensive part is the confidence is really good in this
football team.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, the
Kyler Murray's not going to play the remainder of the season.
What happens to Kyler Murray moving forward?
Speaker 8 (29:43):
I have a feeling, you know, many Austin Forth, the
general manager there, has made the decisions. This is not
their quarterback of the future. He didn't sign, he didn't
draft him, he didn't sign to the extension. But he's
given him an opportunity. I think that they're going to
try to move on. If they can move him, great,
If they can't and they're just going to walk away,
they will. You know, the salary cap is going up
so dramatically over these last few years, it should do
(30:05):
it again that you can walk away from some of
these quarterback deals used to never be able to walk
away from. And so I think Arizona's in that position
where they can say, hey, look, we're going to find
the new person. The season has not gone the way
I thought it even go for Arizona. I thought they'd
kind of be one of the sleeper A NFC teams.
They're asleep. So they're not sleepers, but I think they're
going to be high enough in the draft to be
able to be a player in terms of getting a
(30:25):
young quarterback for the future that fits what they want
to be in the mold that they're trying to create
there in Arizona. So I think Calambury has played his
last game. I don't think he played his last game
in the NFL, but I think he's played his last
game in Ears on him.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, Chiefs. What's wrong?
Speaker 8 (30:40):
Well, the offensive line. You know, this goes back to
always what's wrong with the Chiefs is when the line
falls apart and then we see, you know, it looks
like Tray Smith's probably isn't playing. Juwant Taylor's not playing.
And when the Chiefs don't have a very good offensive
line the Bucks in the Super Bowl. The Chiefs just
struggle as a football team. And that's why when they
went out and got Joe Thuney and then they tried to,
you know, really fix the offensive line Orlando Browns a
little bit. That's really what the hallmark is for them
(31:02):
because then it allows Patrick Mahomes to do his magic.
Now Patrick Mahomes are rushing everything and trying to create
some magic, and I think the other thing on the
other side of the ball is just puer speed. They
just don't have it. I just don't feel like it's
a fast football team, especially in the front seven, and
they're missing that a lot. And they tried to fix
it a couple of years ago in the first round
pick with Felix out of Kansas State, but he's just
(31:23):
not really kind of found a way to get a
role in the defense. They have to have somebody that
can throw a fastball on defense. They don't have that.
That's really what's hurting on the defensive side.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
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Speaker 1 (31:36):
We're coming to the end, but now you're starting to
see the separation that haves and have not so trying
to figure.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Out who's who's Who's any good? Hey, last last one.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
We're actually I forget Monday Night Eagles Chargers charge has
been banged up forever, getting a little healthier. But now
no Carter for the Eagles. How much does that change
them in their pass rush?
Speaker 8 (31:56):
I think it changes a ton. I think they need
Carter desperately and to have, you know, the soldiers or
the surgery work on Carter. Hopefully that means that he'll
be back in time to the postseason, because they need
Jalen Carter. I think he's a big part of what
they do and and certainly a beast on the inside
that he just can't handle from a physical standpoint and
you know, from a just a pure strength standpoint, and
(32:16):
so I think it's a good matchup. I still think
the Eagles will be the better team. Chargers of my
AFC team, I thought it was a sleeper. They've done
a really good job where I thought, you know, I
don't know that was a big sleeper. Arizona's my NFC team.
Philly is the team I think we're gonna see a
lot more stake on Barkley. I think now it's time
to jump on the horse and ride it all the
way through December into the postseason. They've got him healthy,
Let's run him to make sure we try to find
(32:38):
a way to make sure we get this number one
seed and be in position to re you know, run
back a Super Bowl and you know, really be the
team that maybe we talk more of the dynasty. I
love the Chargers. I just think the offensive line is
going to come back and haunt them. Losing your starting
two tackles is really tough to overcome. They've done a
good job with it, but I still think the Eagles
are a fundamentally overall better team.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
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tamp Bay Buccaneers. Get his thoughts on last night's game.
Speaking of last night's game, instead of worrying about me
(34:30):
pushing a stool out of the way on the way
out of our our arena, we could have watched the
highlights or low lights of George Pickens last night. Here's
Richard Sherman, future Hall of Fame cornerback on George Pickens
after the game, the big story.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Here's George Pickens. George Pickens throughout the game, especially late
in the game, just looked uninterested, uninterested in playing football,
you know, and that's what you can't have if you're
gonna be a superstar, if you want to be the
best receiver in the National Football League, can ever be disengaged.
It doesn't matter if the game's going your way, are
not going your way. You can't just disappear in these
games or else you're not gonna have impact. And just
right here, cruising cruising routes, you're the guy, You're the
(35:10):
guy ceedee Lamba's not in this game. He's out and
you get intercepted on your slant routes and you can't
be the guy in half ascid. I'm sorry, that's just
you can't. It's unacceptable. And if you're the Dallas Cowboys
and you're looking at him and you're looking to pay
him big time receiver money forty million dollars, you gotta
look at this tape and say, hey, is this a
guy we can trust paying forty million dollars to show
(35:31):
up regardless of circumstance. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's it's really a great point.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's really really a great point in that, you know,
if you're just honest with yourself, we have this on
my basketball team right where it doesn't really matter how
talented you are putting the ball in the basket. If
you're not willing to sacrifice the little things to be
better as a part of a team, then it doesn't
(36:00):
You can't play a guy like that.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Engagement is everything.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Anybody can go over the middle can when the ball
is thrown along to you in a huge game, when
he got a chance to win it, anybody can run
all out. It's when you think you're going to lose.
Will you still play?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
That's what a professional does. Will you still play hard?
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So yeah, I'll be completely honest with you. I did
not watch every snap because I was coaching a basketball game,
But upon review of the game and then watching the highlights,
you're like, holy cow. And the question I would have
Dan Byer is, you know, if you really want to
(36:42):
make a point and you see the video, you got
to not play him the next game, don't you.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Well, I think that would be pretty extreme for what
did and didn't happen last night. But the highlights do
not do George Pickens any favors. And if you just
look at the three routes that stood out the most,
including the long shot that Dallas tried to take when
Ceedee Lamb was knocked out after Ceedee Lamb was knocked
(37:09):
out of the game, and not even making an effort
does not look good on Pickens. Now, I don't think
that what his effort or like thereof is worthy of
a benching, but I do think you have to get
to the bottom of it. You have to find out
why does this happen? Short week is out of the
window because they played last Thursday. There was some reason
(37:32):
why George Pickens just didn't make any effort on certain routes.
And just a couple of weeks ago he had nine
catches on nine targets from Dak Prescott and that's heck,
that's tough to do. Seven of eight, sure top connections,
eight of ten, nine of nine. They connected every time
(37:52):
he threw them. So there wasn't just one time where
George Pickens had to fight for something. Of course he did.
Why he didn't last night, I don't know, but I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
But why wouldn't you mention him?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Because I don't think that you could sit there and
say you didn't run hard on these three routes, you're
not going to play the next time. I think they
got to figure out a reason on why things happened
last night, and if they don't like those answers, then
you don't commit the long term money to it. Cowboys
also have a slim chance of making the playoffs, but
it's still a chance. And now with ceedee lamp status
(38:28):
in the air, you kind of need George Pickens. I
don't think that they need to make any grandiose statement
by benching him, but I would definitely have second thoughts.
If this is what you're trying to sort out and
giving him a long term deal.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Could I bring something? Can I bring something to the
table here? It's a cliche and it also has alliteration,
which I love. Past is prologue. Don't you have to
take what we've experienced from George Pickens in Pittsburgh into
account when you factor in your thought process on giving
him long term money. There was also a report that
(39:07):
they are thinking about franchising him, or they communicated to
the agent that they're going to franchise him, and that
has been consistent. That information has been consistent with his
lack of effort or what have you in the last
couple of weeks. But he's lost the benefit of the doubt.
Right If I was to say to you, Hey, George
Pickens chose not to try hard because he was told
(39:27):
that he wasn't going to get going to get the contract.
Would that surprise you?
Speaker 3 (39:34):
No, I And to the point Jason, I would not
be surprised at all if this was in response to
the franchise tag scuttle butt that has been going on,
saying like I don't want the franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, so you're not going to play hard.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah, it's ridiculous exactly.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
But Dan, if you allow it, you're either coaching it
or allowing it. Right, the coaching and allowing it. And
Brian Schoenheimer's not gonna get hired or fired based upon
this season. They've overachieved based upon what everybody thought is reasonable.
Like dude, if he's not going to go hard after
a football in a game which is still at least
(40:13):
on some level up in the air, like dude, goodbye,
or to sit for a siper week and see what
that does.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
So on two of the plays he was double covered,
and then I'm not making excuses for him, but I'm
sure that's his reasoning and his rant that he made
to Richard Sherman online after those comments. He brought those
points up. Maybe he thinks it's it's pointless, that's ridiculous
to think that, but maybe that's what's going through his mind.
(40:42):
I just also think, like you try to treat everybody fair,
you can't treat everybody the same. And the Cowboys actually
need George Pickens. They needed him last night. That would
have helped. And if you don't have Ceedee Lamb, it
just is a lot more difficult for you to get
something done. And so that's why I don't think that
you would suspend him at that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Listen, there's no question you are a more talented team
and you have a better shot on paper of making
the playoffs. Okay, and if you don't have cdee Lamb, boy,
you're not giving your team a great shot. But I
do think that for your team, you can sell it
to him as hey, we're just not gonna take anybody. Now,
you know, the Cowboys never do it because they don't.
But that's why the Cowboys are always under achievers. That's
(41:22):
literally it again again. Maybe I'm in fantasy land. I
have an I'm gonna there was one I should that too.
I probably should have played last night. We just we
also got really tired. But I have guys on my
roster that talent wise should be playing, but they haven't
been fully engaged. They're not willing to do the little things,
and so I will sacrifice, you know, minutes to guys
(41:46):
that are fully engaged, even they're not as talented.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
I believe that's the only way in which you build it.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
You make it so that everybody plays to the utmost,
no matter how much time, whatever the score is.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
That's just a belief of mine.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Granted, you do run the risk of not having enough
football talent and losing the game because of it.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
I also think if you suspend him that really or
don't play him, that really lessens the opportunity that he
may come back. And I know what you're gonna say,
Doug is fine, we don't want a guy like that, correct,
But I think that this is I mean, this is
dallas On. Do you franchise tag him or do you
give him the contract that he wants. What is the
(42:26):
constant of that is that George Pickens is a cowboy
in twenty twenty six. So now if you're benching him,
I'm not saying you have to coddle to everything that
he wants, but this I think would have the opposite effect.
And maybe you're getting the answer that you need to
know by saying this. But if you bench him, I
don't think that there's any chance at the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Don't franchise tagment, doesn't that.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
No, but I would do you think George Pickens is
going to want to be there, which he's not happy
on a franchise tag, And now he's not happy because
the team ends up you know, throwing uh you know,
ends up suspending him for one game for what they
perceived was a lack of effort.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Okay, So what you're doing is you're coaching, like in
college coaching, you're coaching out of fear for next year
and fear out of Hey, he may be happy, unhappy,
he may leave, he may not resign. And again that's
a this is the really hard part about it. Okay,
Like in college basketball, you bench guys, they can they
(43:28):
can leave at the end of the year. Heck, they
can leave whenever they want, and nothing you can do
about it. Whatever My point is, it doesn't matter what
you pay him or how much you do. If if
you don't nip this in the butt now, if you
make that in any way, okay, acceptable then even when
you give him the money, if you want him to stay,
he's going to be a dog anyway.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
That doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Leopards don't just change their spots over night, especially if
this is in regards to a contract thing. You're talking
in a regular season coming off the biggest win of
the year, and that's how you act.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I don't want you're right, you're right right.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
Remember it's still George Pickens. It's still the guy that
Pittsburgh could not stand they drafted him. He's super talented,
they couldn't stand. So I don't think he's gonna have
Like do I think you have value elsewhere? Yeah, but
those guys are really hard to win with. They are
Pittsburgh obviously not as talented without him, but they're gonna
have the same records they had without him as that
(44:25):
with him, because those guys don't help you win. There's
sometimes guys this.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
To me in a Dallas uniform is and that's what
I think he can be judged on in the immediacy
is a first time offense. Whether you want to take
his history in Pittsburgh into giving him a long term
deal or using the franchise franchise tag that is different.
But I think if this is just a one off
(44:50):
of like, man, what went on last night, and if
there was a reason, or it wasn't a reason, whatever
the case may be, that then deals with the immediate
immediate see of does he play the next game or not?
But then you take all of the information and try
to decide because he has been really good, like he's
been really really good.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
No, he's super talented.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
So for one game to throw it out, you know,
just after one game.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Ya twenty two And I don't know if that, but
but if this is a reaction to the franchise tag like, hey,
you're not you want a big contract, this is how
you perform, We're gonna pay you top five average salaries.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Here's Jerry Jones, the owner, after the game, he.
Speaker 9 (45:27):
Didn't have the game, that he's been happy, but effort.
I would be very careful with him going there. This
guy is a is a he's explosive with his temperament.
And I say that in a positive way. So I
(45:48):
don't think so much it was effort, but I might not.
But but I don't necessarily have a good explanation as
to why he didn't show up more. But no, I'm
not at all concerned going forward about Pickens. I would
agree with you. I thought we would have more with
(46:09):
him than we did.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I would have thought I would have thought we'd had
more with him than we did without him.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's by and large.
Speaker 9 (46:19):
I've been thinking about it a lot.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
In a shower, I will say that I think Jerry
Jones and I are on the same page.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I think you are. I think you are, and I
think that's what's going to happen.
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