December 10, 2025 • 38 mins
On a Wednesday edition of The Best Of Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug agrees with head coach Nick Sirianni when he told a Philly talk show host that it is "ridiculous" to ask if Jalen Hurts will be replaced as starter this season.
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The something man I was just I was just reading
about Indiana's life. Ian Backer in Dukeway, who looks like
he's gonna miss the remainder of the season. Got hurt celebrating. God,
that's the kind of buyer. That's the kind of stuff
that happens to my angels and to our chargers. Right,
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you get hurt celebrating, That's exactly what happened. That happened. Okay,
got a metric ton to get get you ready for
I do think there's some post mortem for Monday night football.
It was Chargers versus the Eagles, and Jalen Hurts had
five turnovers, two on one play and in overtime he
threw an interception that ultimately, ultimately they didn' ultimately that
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that ended the game. And I bring it up because, well, first,
there was a radio conversation between Nick Sirianni and H
and some hosts on a Philadelphia radio station, which was
just an interesting back and forth. I won't play for you,
and I'll just kind of give you my This is
actually a really good kind of coaching discussion in terms
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of coaching one on one one. Here's Nick Sirianni on
his radio had asking about what they can do with
Jalen Hurts. Is there a possibility later this season if
he continues to struggle, that you can make a change
at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I think that's ridiculous. You know, I think you
know Jalen Hurts. I know every time I go out
in that field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we
have a chance to win the game.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So I.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There's a couple of things to it. First, just the
idea that you're going to replace Jalen Hurts is just it.
It's so laughable. And while you might say, hey, look,
you gotta go by how you're playing this year, not
how what you've done in total like that, that's fair.
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Like just because a guy makes a ton of money,
just because he's been your starter, does not mean he
has to always be your starter. Like nothing is in
fact forever. And some guys can be I don't know
if you want to say flash in the pan, but
some guys can be good for a short period of
time but struggle long term. We do know that Sam
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Howell and Tanner McKee are the backup quarterbacks of the
Philadelphia Eagle. I thought Nick Sirianni handled it really well.
And this is something that when you're a coach, sometimes
you're asked dumb questions and you have to treat them
as legitimate questions. I have to treat them as legitimate questions. Yeah,
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they've lost three in a row. This is the same
team that started the season four not started seemingly every
year really well, and every year we do have this
discussion about you know, Jalen Hurts not a great pass
for the football, but he's got six interceptions all year,
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he protects the football all year. He took you to
two Super Bowls, one to one. What are we really
talking about now. One of the things that Jalen hurts
that I noticed is that last throw when he's rolling
right and he throws it to the end zone and
the Chargers just make a great play and an interception
was he didn't set his feet and because he didn't
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set his feet, maybe he threw it more quickly than
he would have had he set his feet, thinking he
gets sneaked in there, or maybe it didn't have just
the right amount of oomph and he didn't layer the
throw perfectly to get it in there. So there are
some fundamental things you can clean up. It also should
be pointed out that aj Brown dropped for the balls,
including one that led to an interception. But quarterback in
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point guard are two very similar positions. You got to
get everybody on the same page. And it's not as
much about your play. Your play is important, a lot
of it is about your leadership. It's a position of leadership,
and leadership comes with belief, faith, trust, all those all
those buzzwords, and the second that players sense you don't
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believe in another player, especially when their quarterback are running back.
That kills their ability to lead. Quarterbacks have to an
edity play that they throw the football. Tell three or
four players you may think you're open, but you weren't.
I'm going to somebody else. And the only way that
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works in the hierarchy of football is if the coach
has the quarterbacks back, no matter what. So I don't
love Nick Sirianni's theatrics. I haven't loved some of the
kind of trash talking, especially to fans. I don't do that.
I haven't loved all parts of the Knick sirian experience.
But I respect immensely that when his quarterback doesn't play
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well and the team's not playing well, it's really easy
to go like, yeah, anything's possible. Nothing, it's not possible.
It's not going to be discussed. It's not going to happen.
This is the same guy let us to a Super
Bowl victory last year. He led us to a Super
Bowl going back to his second year in the NFL.
There's no reason to believe that we need to make
some dramatic changes. We just simply need to play better.
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And if you can't accept that you don't understand how
sports work, especially positions of leadership, because even if you
pull him out for a series, it kills his ability
to lead. If you offer up the possibility that you
may make a change, it kills his ability to lead.
You have to have complete, publicly, complete and total undying faith,
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and you have to do it in front of your team.
Now in the offseason, can you go, can we get
somebody better? Can we draft somebody young to challenge him
so that if this continues, we have another option? Maybe,
but right now they don't have that option right now.
They're too deep into a season. Let's not go crazy.
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It's not like the season is long right there. They've
won plenty of big games this year and the years
in the past, and he's played well in those pig games.
Even the Super Bowl loss. I thought he played exceptionally
well going back like half five years ago. So I
just think, we get to this and this is what
sports fans have become the fire everybody, you know, this
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is what's happened to the sec Like you have a
disappointing year or disappointing start, and boom your fires. Let's
get her to this guy and get to the next
guy as quickly as possible and see if he can
breathe hope into our lives. That's not gonna happen. It's
the same thing with players. If you just keep consistency
is key, you get more because at least you know
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what he can't, what a ceiling is, what his floor is.
As opposed to a new guy, you just do not.
And if you want any sort of leadership going into
the playoffs, you can't undercut that leadership by offering up
the possibility of pulling him. So Siriani can be a
wild man on the sidelines. You know, the facial expressions
are a lot, the gyrations, the talking trash to fans,
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some of the things he's said in front of a
microphone don't love. But the fact is he is nailing
this one, nailing it, nailing it. And you can say, hey,
he can't show throw the ball thirty five times, I'd
agree with you. That's not who he is. He's gotta
run the football more. I'd agree with you. That's got
to be who he is. But the idea of jumping
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ship on Jalen hurts when he's going through a bet
like Mahomes isn't playing well. Why are we not talking
about pulling mahomes Well, he's won a bunch of Superols.
One Hurts has been to two one to one. What
are we doing here? He's in his prime athletically. If
you're going to make dramatic changes, if you're gonna think
about that level of change, one you gotta have something
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better than the Ruster and two you can't do it
this time of the year. And three you got a
guy who just won a Super Bowl. It's gonna look
terrible for the entire organization if that happens. The only
thing that can change my mind on it is if
he walked in with as people in the Midwest and
southist with the big head right with he walked in
arrogant as can be all year long, never accountable, not
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my fault, things don't go wrong, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.
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Let's welcome in Adam Kaplan. He's our Fox Sports Radio
NFL Insider. He also coast the Inside the Birds podcast
What's wrong with Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Huh, It's funny. I do. I do radio and like
ten markets each week or something eight to ten. But
this is the one with how do you say this?
Because he actually threw the ball really well. Can't turn
the ball over if you Doug, If you I just
like the hurts his throws right, if you just go
through every throw, you go well, he meets some great
throws he had too that were not on him. Two
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turnovers were clearly on him. Then the craziness of setting
a record of two turnovers on one play from the quarterback.
So his actually was not much wrong with him. He
had a couple of ball sale on him. There's some
timing stuff. He actually did not play badly. Like it's funny,
I'm checking in a lot of players this week and
a lot of the situations around the league. I don't
think the Eagles are terribly upset. They're pissed it they
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lost the game, but I don't it's not what the
fans thought. I understand the reaction because when you turn
the ball over five times, everybody points to the quarterback.
That's understandable. You played point guard, you know, Doug. It's
all on the guy who's distributing the football. Hurts as
a ball distributor, as a quarterback, and he can't turn
the brawlover. But there was really nothing. What was wrong
with him was really the Bears game. He was awful
in that game. This game he was really not. But again,
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that keeps scoring under twenty points, and that is the
part that's on the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, what does the rest of their season look like to.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You, Philly? I would say that it would be hard
for them not to win the division. They're game in
half up. No one, Doug. It's one of the most
ridiculous records in sports. No one's won the NFC East
back to back in twenty one years, but Philly should
have it. They have a little bit of an easier
schedule over Dallas. Dallas, of course has the odd tie.
But you know, it's a funny business this. You know,
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we talk about Jalen Hurts, and you know here in Philly,
in this market, fans don't know what to make of them.
He's so inconsistent. But if you really and I was
talking to a friend of mine with a team that
is we just got off the phone about twenty minutes ago.
We had a great talk about Hurts, ironically in a
bunch of other situations. He said, you'd love to be
in a position where you at least know who your
quarterback is, right because if you go through it, if
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you go through Arizona, they don't know who the future
quarterback is. New Orleans they don't know who it is. Okay,
if you look, if you look at the Raiders, they
absolutely do have no idea who it is. Cleveland has
no idea who it is. Jets have no idea who
it is. So the fans could beat up Jalen Hurts
all they want, you, guys, a super Bowl winner. You
see what Matthew Stafford's doing when you hanging with a
guy though he's older, he's playing a leaf football when
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you have cost certainty, you know what you have. At
least you have a chance, and that's what the Eagles
know with Jalen Hurts, although you really like his backup
Tanner McKee, who I believe will you had a first
round pick, believe it or not in March. But it
is really funny, Doug, because this Eagles team is so polarizing.
I don't know what it is, but people love to
talk about it, so I'm happy to.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Talk about Yeah. I think there's a little Russell Wilson
to him in that he is very concerned with appearance,
and I don't know I agree with that. I also
like Russell Wilson. Don't know if his teammates, all of
his teammates gravitate towards him the way they gravitate towards
some quarterbacks. I think that's a that's a question. I
don't know as an outsider. Maybe maybe you know this
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is the Doug Otley Show. You listen to Fox Sports Radio, Okay,
what about the what about the other side? Have the
Chargers survive with their quarterback playing a couple of days
after having his broken hand repaired, but they're still kind
of held together by Pat patchwork offensive line, Trey Pipkin's
getting hurt now and the defense came through. What does
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it look like for them considering they're limping to the finish.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, I would say Doug with the Chargers Jesse Mentor,
who will be a head coaching candidate by the way,
he's done a great job. It's not the most talented defense,
it's execution. They execute their own defense very very well.
They're right there. I mean, it's unlikely that they're going
to win a division, but they're almost starting to be
a wild card. There are the look Herbert has never
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had this injury before. He looked. I give the guy credit.
Actually led them in rushing, which is not only did
he leave them in rushing. Yeah, the most carries in
any game he's had over the last two seasons. It
just doesn't make any sense he would have this with
a broken left hand. He struggled to throw the football
their line, as you mentioned, they struggled to pass protect.
He's the most pressure quarterback in a game this year
was this one. But yet they've found a way to win.
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I give the guy credit, he's good. She gotta have
to play with this. It's gonna take six weeks for
this thing to heal and one heel to the playoffs.
They're a good team, but they're not a super Bowl team.
But I say that this guy I was mentioning who
I talked to today, he said, Man, this is here
to make the playoffs because anybody will win it. I
you could say that the Rams and the Broncos because
they have the best records. Well, New England does, but
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they're not as talented. They're tied with Denver with the
best record. But there's no dominant team, Doug. If you
can get in, you could win this thing. Now, I
say that Pittsburgh has no chance. They're not winning the
super Bowl. I know that right now. They're the four
seed and they have an advantage over Baltimore right now,
but they have to play on once more. And the
Colts thing is crazy with Philip Rivers. I love it.
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But you know, it is a wide open year. There
are no dominant teams. This rarely happens, Doug. You usually
kind of know by now who the best team is.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You do, and I have no idea either, Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Which is great. I think it's great. People. Look, the
league loves this.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Isn't it interesting that I think the Bears in a loss,
gained a lot of respect, maybe because they beat the
Eagles the way before. Where are you on the Bears
now that you've seen them against the Eagles and Packers
and back to back weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's a good question, I would say with the Bears.
Like my thoughts checking with people around the league on
the Bears was this, like no one really expected a lot.
You know, you didn't know about Ben Johnson. Defensively, they
don't really have much of passerage. They've been really banged
up in the secondary. I think the thing with Cavile
Wims is he's improved. He's not taking sacks like he
did last year. But Doug, the problem with him is
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is the accuracy. He miss his throws. He got a hit,
he can run, he's got a cannon of an arm.
He's coachable from what I understand, he's been coached better,
much better this season with this staff and obviously Ben
Johnson and the head coaches calling the plays. But there
they're another team, kind of like New England. They're just
so ahead a schedule. Now. The thing is, I remember
talking to the Giants, Doug. I want to bring this
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up because I want folks to understand how it works.
So I talked to the Giants in the twenty two season,
after when they shocked the world and made the playoffs
and won a playoff game. They went in Minnesota, right,
they knew their team was not as good as their
rec would in the icate, and they you know, they're like, wow,
we're gonna have to have a good assis. We just
know we're not that good and we over achieve. We
think we did a good job coaching and all that,
and you saw the things spire out of control. Dable
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just got fired. So I think you look at New
England and talking to them, I think they're very realistic.
Oh and who they are and what they are, they're
ahead of schedule. Variable has done a phenomenal job. He's
learned a lot during his time off and with this
time and they spent with the Browns. He's become a
better head coach from talking to people there. And then
you got teams like you got a team like Green
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Bay that's maybe the NFL's most talented team. But somehow
when the playoffs come, Matt Lafour's a different coach. I've
called him the Lamar Jackson of head coaches great regular
season coach, not good in the playoffs. He gets too tight.
So it's so wide hoping I have to do this.
I vote in two polls up doing the for the playoff,
I have to pick like MVP, and you know, so
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many different for the ProFootball Rugs Association, which is it's deeper,
it's not as recognized as AP, but it's a pretty
involved process. I got a problem with these awards. I'm
not sure where I'm going with any of this. I
although I'd vote for Stafford right now as MVP.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, I'm
I'm sort of interested. I'm not sort of I'm actually
very interested on your take on the Chiefs. How has
this thing gone bad so bad so quickly?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, you know, I'm on WHB tomorrow, so I've been
on there for eight years and I'm gonna have to
talk about this. So, in fact, I told the host
Stephen Saint John said, Steve, I think we got to
start looking toward the draft, and he's like, no, I go, yeah, dude.
So I'm gonna give you, Doug what I have on this.
So it's not an injury thing. It's partially age as
great as Brett Feacha is one of the top three
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gms in the league any read obviously one of the
top two or three head coaches inn for history. They
missed badly on some personnel. Bad at cornerback. I knew
this in the off season. I've said it week after week.
They're gonna have to do something at corner They missed
on Kristin Fulton, who came up from the Chargers. He
didn't even play. They're home six million dollars now year
whether he's plays football or not. Again, it's that's guaranteed.
They missed on that. They missed with Jowan Taylor, the
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right tackle. The only reason why they didn't cut him
the off seasons because they owned twenty million. Fully guaranteed.
They missed on that. They they traded Joe Toney. Okay,
he's not a left tackle. Well, he had to play
left back on the Super Bowl because they had nobody else.
He's playing great football with Chicago. That was a mistake.
They haven't run the ball particularly well. And and then
in Mahomes has been inconsistent and Kelsey still looks looks
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like he can play. They're not getting the playmaking. They
thought out of Xavier Worthy, He's been hurt a lot,
Hollywood Brown has not progressed like they thought. He's really
not been hurt like he was last year. They're not
getting the play. So it's to answer your question, it's
missus in personnel, unfortunately from a great front. Officers just
not having a great year and players who they thought
would do better are not doing as well. And to
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answer your question, that's one hundred percent it. This is
what I've been told, and that's that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Sound sounds about right to me. Who are we missing?
That's actually good? Like is Jacksonville good? Who are we missing?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Boy one, I've gotten a couple right. I got Seattle
right for sure. I didn't see this in le see
these first year coaches, it's just you really don't know.
And Anthony Campinelli, their defense coordinator, is I have to vote.
I have to vote for a defensive coach of the year.
He's probably gonna get it if they win the division,
which they should. I don't think Houston's that good. I
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give Houston credit. They're in a they're on a small
heater here, but they're really not as good as their
eight and five record would say it is. But Jacksonville
to me and Trevor Lawrence was turning them over left
and Right's starting to play under control. Their defense is
probably overachieved, not the most talented defense, great coaching and
execution and by and by the way, that's the thing. This,
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this thing is so much better than anyone thought they
If you look at their rosher, you go, Okay, this
is probably a six or seven win team. Maybe if
if Liam con does a great job, maybe they'll be
eight or nine wins. Both they already have nine and
they probably will have eleven or twelve. They have well,
they have an interest schedule, and the Colts they may
not win another game. I just feels so bad for
Chris Boalther GM and Colt fans who were riding high
(20:04):
at eight and two now, but they're struggling and they
got problems.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Adam Kaplan is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Tradiingo. I have breaking news caps,
so hold on real quick, let's take it. Turn it
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Speaker 3 (20:18):
Denny breaking news from Fox Sports Doug.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
A report from ESPN says that the University of Michigan
has fired head football coach Sharon Moore, so Charon Moore
out after two seasons as the Wolverines head coach.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Still still think there's not a lot of pressure in
college football there, Adam that.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Wow, I was that is not wow? That that because
I know college football is crazy in the timing of
this stuff, that to me is is surprising. I just yeah,
that that's a surprise to me. I didn't see that
happening you college Football's what I like about college football
is is this is kind of like if you know,
if you're an NFL guy like myself, this is where
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you see that. You see the guys in the infancy
of their careers and but the pressure though from the
coaching standpoint. This is why, by the way, with Doug,
I was talking to a college head coach and a
couple of weeks ago was kind of moved on. I
got a better job. I'm not gonna go to who
it was. But this is why these guys move on
because you never know if you don't, if you don't
meet expectations.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Of what.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Uh the alumni want and people are in charge, you're
going to get fired. You know that, and you know
you know you're coaching college basketball. You kind of know
the pressure that there is now that that's surprising me.
I didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Then I saw it coming next year.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I did not see coming with more Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Coming coming coming this year, but a last year. We
are really quickly in the off season. Okay, in the
off season. How valuable is Kyler Murray going to be
on the open market.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's a great question. Here's the thing with Kyler Murray.
It's this contract. There's a significant amount of guaranteed money
due the next two years. Because of the contract structure,
the cardsoders are gonna most likely have to eat some
of that money be able to trade him. They're gonna
have to eat some of that money. That's the first thing. Now, Carla,
Murray's not gonna be for everybody. He's under five fot ten.
He's about five to nine in a quarter, and that's
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you know, that's gonna be a deterrent from teams trading
for him. But they're they're only thirty two of these jobs.
Someone will be interested. It'll probably happen. He's coming off
of this front injury and that's the concern. But the
hottest guy I'm telling you this right now because I
got this from two NFL people. It's gonna be Mac Jones.
Believe or not. I know it's some people are like
Mac Jones, get out of here. His tape, I'm told,
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is phenomenal when he filled in for brock Purty. That's
another reason why they're still hanging in there. I mean,
they're gonna make the playoffs most likely, but why they're
alive for that division and just why they're playing well
is mac Jones kind of kept everything to float and
played well. But he's got to be in a West
Coast system. He does not have a strong arm. He's
a timing based quarterback, and if he's in the right system,
he actually could be this year's Daniel Jim.
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why are we even asking if the Eagles would bench
Jalen Hurds. I don't know. Seems like sports radio fier plus.
We'll talk about the rest of the National Football League
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Okay there, Jason, what's the topic of the midway from here?
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I sent out two topics to the group text and
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Speaker 7 (25:09):
What is your fix for the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Fix?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
What's your fix? You know, we can have an interesting
conversation about each other's fixes.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I think R J.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Young he presented a fix thirty minutes ago that Doug
utterly shot down and demoralized and it wasn't even fair.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
They're just not going to play seventy games.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Yeah, the listeners heard it. They saw they saw the
massacre on the air, and then Marcus Freeman getting interest
from the NFL and it it kind of struck a
personal cored with me. And I want to say, in life,
do you stay at a great job that you are
loved at and you're good at for a bigger challenge,
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more stress, but more money.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't know if it's more stress. Again, I don't
know what Marcus Freeman's job's like. But again I don't
know if it's more strep But again, both are great topics. Dan,
do you have a lean?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Well, I did on the group text.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I did tell you.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
She tells me you didn't read my response, Doug, I said, job,
I have ideas on the college football playoff, but I'd
rather talk about.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
The Jay Stews.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Yeah, I kind of like the job. You know, everyone
could relate.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
To that, right, Okay, buyer, why don't you go first?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So I think that there's a lot of and it's
not just Marcus Freeman, just even reading within the last
hour Jim Knowles. Remember, Jim Knowles was the hottest name
in college football for a couple of years for what
he did at Oklahoma State is their defensive coordinator. Then
Ohio State lures him away for millions. Penn State then
lures him away last off season for probably a million more,
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and now he's likely on his way to Tennessee as
James Franklin's no longer a happy Valley and Matt Campbell's
bringing in his his own crew. So when you chase
the money, I think that that is a situation that
can show you, all right, maybe the grass isn't always greener.
Now mat Ohio State, he ended up winning a national championship,
right for the two million dollars a year that they
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paid him to get him to leave Oklahoma State. But
then maybe leaving Ohio State wasn't the greatest thing for
him to go for a million dollars more. I think
it's the grass. The grass being greener. On the other side,
cannot be about money. It has to be about accomplishment.
So if Marcus Freeman's goal is to become a Super
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Bowl winning head coach, then I think you should go
to the National Football League and take those offers to
do that. But if you're just chasing the dollar, I
don't think that you're ever going to be happy.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Look, he has six kids, is that right? Remember? Right,
it's a lot to gaggle. It's more than a couple,
definitely more than a few. I think it's six. Could
be wrong, Dan is a five or is six? I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Actually I don't seven seven.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Children, all right, that's a recruiting class.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Uh so.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And and he does a great job of crediting his
wife with like, hey, I'm barely home. You know, she
does an amazing job.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
I just.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
With the realities of these jobs. I know we're sitting
there going like it doesn't really matter. I'm gonna tell you,
I think it does, especially a guy who has seven
kids and it matters that much to him. My guess
is he ain't leaving for the pros. Now. The good
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thing about the pros is your off season is actually
your off season college. You don't recruit off campus nearly
as much as you used to. You're recruiting out of
the portal. It can be a fairly impersonal a high
school recruiting is still big at Notre Dame, but they
do recruit out of the portal a good amount as well.
I just think in terms of family and community, you
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stay or in the college environment. Now, my only question
is this is actually really Dan? He played Ohio State?
Is his dream job Ohio State? And if his dream
job is Ohio State, he just you got I guess
wait it out, or you go to the Pros and
then you can always come back when Ohio State comes
open and you've cashed in a bunch of money. The
problem is, again, you've got seven kids. I'm guessing five
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or six of them are school age. I don't know
the spread of all the number of kids taking them out,
moved them to like New York, the Giants or something like.
I just it's a hard life and I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I'll say this like when you talk about the Ohio
State job, like, honestly, there's a bunch of guys at
their dream job is Ohio State. She just went from
South Florida, Auburn probably dream job go back to Ohio State.
Ryan Hartline who just left us, you know he's going
to stay on through the playoff as the coordinator, but
he's going to go to South Florida. Why did he
take the South Florida job?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So? Is it the only way to get the hoigh
of stage?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yes, that's at least what a lot of people feel.
So like in those instances, like what is the best
way to do it? And somebody's going to be left out? Now,
if Ryan Day were to leave tomorrow, Marcus Freeman being
a candidate at the top, you know, would he definitely
topped the list of anybody out there of taking that job.
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But you know what would would that be the would
that even be the timing of the move.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm telling you who's going to come after him in
a year.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Who's that?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Michigan?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah? Maybe, yeah, sure, the Sharon More era. Yeah, has
not come to fruition despite signing. They just had a
really good recruiting class. Michigan. Will see how that pans out.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
He has improved year over year on his record, Right, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Two years he started a freshman quarterback. They're going to
have ups and downs. I mean, you gotta get yeah,
you got to get better.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Quit by five and now he's nine and three, right, Yeah,
I actually yeah, I like from the outside looking in
and not knowing all of the ins and outs there,
I've actually felt that he's done an alright job.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But there is this and maybe it's social media blowing
it out of proportion, but there's a bit of this
undercurrent that isn't happy with what he's done.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
I mean, I don't know if he should have gotten
the job for all the other stuff that he was
implicated in, but that's neither here nor there. But yeah,
if they have a they have an eight and three
season and lose to Ohio State again, yeah, I think that,
you know, it's going to be a name that's put
out there. But would you leave Notre Dame for Michigan.
The Dame job to me is I mean top of
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the top.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So so for you guys to understand, Okay, Notre Dame
for a long time didn't pay, didn't pay, didn't take transfers,
and it was hard to get into. Okay, that was
that was what limited Notre Dame. Didn't pay, hard to
get into, didn't take transfers, take transfers. Now, I think
they pay a lot of money. They have a ton
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of money, and they're more reasonable. Again, it's not a
junior college, not a lot to everybody in, but more
reasonable about getting kids into school. If you do that
at Notre Dame, why would you ever leave? Why would
why would you ever leave? I would, I would never leave.
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It is an unbelievable job.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
It is.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I think again, if those three things are true, it's,
in any conversation, the best job in the country. Okay,
because it's synonymous with college football. You can get into
any household for recruiting. You're a draw national TV. You're
making a lot of money. It does cost nothing to
live there. You know you can, you know you can
go to Michigan. You know, drive up to Michigan the
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coast and have a have a home there in the
summer and be on the water, play golf whatever. Like
you're an hour and a half from Chicago. You got
alums everywhere, Notre Dame alums. Let me tell you what
it's like to play a Notre Dame in basketball. And
we weren't any good everywhere we played, and we played
all over the country. After the game, there be a
Notre Dame club of Baltimore, of Miami, of Los Angeles,
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of wherever, and you know, you'd have you'd meet and
kind of kidd it's a while or whatever. Now those
guys are all influential in terms of nil Again, Notre
Dame is not a job. I'm leaving an NFL job.
NFL job is just a job, just a job.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
You know, you're not going to see your seven children.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's all stressful. Okay, yeah, none of it's not stressed.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
But like the sleeping in the office thing that they
claim to do, you know, and I'm sure they do,
but like in the NFL, it's like even more time
put into game planning.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And I've heard people say though that the NFL, at
least it's just about football.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah that's true. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And honestly college college where I just had a conversation
to the break about a class with one of my players,
but for the most part at the highest level, kind
is just about football there too. But now here's the
downside to college sports. Now, how it's do you got
to deal with agents, which you have to deal with
in the NFL, but more so and if you're not
dealing always with the same level or quality of agent,
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And until you get multi year contracts with guys, you
can have free agency every year, and that's really hard.
That's the one thing that will push guys to the
pros from college because dude, do I have to recruit
a whole news team every year? That's really really hard.
I have ten new players. It is not easy. Not easy.
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Like can I touch you guys this? Like nope, thought
that last year.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I would also say this that if we're talking about
Marcus Freeman, that the Notre Dame job is probably better
than two thirds of the NFL jobs, like of just
of we're looking at it like in a way, like
the FL is a step up because it's professional football,
it's at its highest level. I don't think that's ultimately.
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I think some guys are made to coach pro football,
some guys are made to coach college football, and others
can go back and forth between both. But if you
took two thirds of the openings in the NFL and said, hey,
Marcus Freeman, you want to come here, considering like would
Marcus Freeman leave for the Raiders, that would that would
be absurd. Why would you ever go to that ownership group? Right,
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never have your family to Vegas like that doesn't and
so then you can lose the job in three or
four years like that. So so like even Notre Dame,
when we're talking about the value of Notre Dame, they're
half the NFL is eliminated in my mind, Yeah, I
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, like you're not you're not taking Falcons, You're not
taking the Jets, are taking Jets, Like that's not taking Raiders.
It's not. Listen, you keep saying stress.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
No, I mean, but like like just the the monumental pressure,
just like it's just.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Talks Sam Sam, Sam, Sam Sam. How many SEC coaches
were fired this year?
Speaker 7 (36:08):
A whole lot.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
I'm gonna talking about the New York media though, I'm
just talking about the pressure them, you know, under the mic.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Again, let me just explain, he's the head coach at
Notre Dame. Everything is micro managed. Okay, everything is micro managed.
There's an incredible level of stress and anxiety. Heck, they
lost two games by four points and won the rest
of their games and they're not in the college.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
No, no, I know I'm talking. I'm just speaking about it.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And you have you have James Franklin. Okay, James Franklin's
won a Rose Bowl. James Franklin's done everything for Penn State.
Three games in the season he was fired. He didn't
have the choice, he had to move his family. Absolutely,
go Look my Gundy won of twenty one years, eighteen
of them. He won won more games there than anybody's
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ever won. Three games in Gone now his alma mater,
he's no longer the coach there. It's super weird. So
my point is that if you think that thel is
more stressful than college football, no, I got news for it.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
The culture surrounding the Jets, like a job like that
is just there's it's so negative, Like a place like
Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
You can't win, is kind of what you're saying. Unless
I win big. You can't win Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
It's going to be a pressure cooker, but it's also
there's going to be a lot of positivity behind you,
and those fans are going to be in the stands
every weekend.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, but you college, I agree with that second you
have now, South Bend's not a college town. The campus
Notre Dame is beautiful, it's not South Bend. There are
some brilliant Mishawaka is a really nice area. But I
do generally agree with you. It's not truly a college town.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
What was a smaller town then small town vibes not
small interject here, but I think that we have two
people in on this conversation that have had prominent jobs before,
not that they aren't now, but Jason was such a
key part of Jim Rome and Doug you are such
a big part of Es. You've talked about the moving
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of those jobs and moving to different spots. I mean,
I think that that's sort of even just on the
on in this business or any other business, there's the
grass maybe isn't always greener.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's a great point. Don't don't mess with happy. I
just say, don't mess with happy if you're not happy, well, okay,
there's no amount of money that's going to make you happier.
But if you're happy and you like who you work for,
you like who you work with, and you like where
your family is, just don't don't move.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
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The something man I was just I was just reading
about Indiana's life. Ian Backer in Dukeway, who looks like
he's gonna miss the remainder of the season. Got hurt celebrating. God,
that's the kind of buyer. That's the kind of stuff
that happens to my angels and to our chargers. Right,
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you get hurt celebrating, That's exactly what happened. That happened. Okay,
got a metric ton to get get you ready for
I do think there's some post mortem for Monday night football.
It was Chargers versus the Eagles, and Jalen Hurts had
five turnovers, two on one play and in overtime he
threw an interception that ultimately, ultimately they didn' ultimately that
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that ended the game. And I bring it up because, well, first,
there was a radio conversation between Nick Sirianni and H
and some hosts on a Philadelphia radio station, which was
just an interesting back and forth. I won't play for you,
and I'll just kind of give you my This is
actually a really good kind of coaching discussion in terms
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of coaching one on one one. Here's Nick Sirianni on
his radio had asking about what they can do with
Jalen Hurts. Is there a possibility later this season if
he continues to struggle, that you can make a change
at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
No, I think that's ridiculous. You know, I think you
know Jalen Hurts. I know every time I go out
in that field with Jalen Hurts as our quarterback, we
have a chance to win the game.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
So I.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
There's a couple of things to it. First, just the
idea that you're going to replace Jalen Hurts is just it.
It's so laughable. And while you might say, hey, look,
you gotta go by how you're playing this year, not
how what you've done in total like that, that's fair.
(02:48):
Like just because a guy makes a ton of money,
just because he's been your starter, does not mean he
has to always be your starter. Like nothing is in
fact forever. And some guys can be I don't know
if you want to say flash in the pan, but
some guys can be good for a short period of
time but struggle long term. We do know that Sam
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Howell and Tanner McKee are the backup quarterbacks of the
Philadelphia Eagle. I thought Nick Sirianni handled it really well.
And this is something that when you're a coach, sometimes
you're asked dumb questions and you have to treat them
as legitimate questions. I have to treat them as legitimate questions. Yeah,
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they've lost three in a row. This is the same
team that started the season four not started seemingly every
year really well, and every year we do have this
discussion about you know, Jalen Hurts not a great pass
for the football, but he's got six interceptions all year,
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he protects the football all year. He took you to
two Super Bowls, one to one. What are we really
talking about now. One of the things that Jalen hurts
that I noticed is that last throw when he's rolling
right and he throws it to the end zone and
the Chargers just make a great play and an interception
was he didn't set his feet and because he didn't
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set his feet, maybe he threw it more quickly than
he would have had he set his feet, thinking he
gets sneaked in there, or maybe it didn't have just
the right amount of oomph and he didn't layer the
throw perfectly to get it in there. So there are
some fundamental things you can clean up. It also should
be pointed out that aj Brown dropped for the balls,
including one that led to an interception. But quarterback in
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point guard are two very similar positions. You got to
get everybody on the same page. And it's not as
much about your play. Your play is important, a lot
of it is about your leadership. It's a position of leadership,
and leadership comes with belief, faith, trust, all those all
those buzzwords, and the second that players sense you don't
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believe in another player, especially when their quarterback are running back.
That kills their ability to lead. Quarterbacks have to an
edity play that they throw the football. Tell three or
four players you may think you're open, but you weren't.
I'm going to somebody else. And the only way that
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works in the hierarchy of football is if the coach
has the quarterbacks back, no matter what. So I don't
love Nick Sirianni's theatrics. I haven't loved some of the
kind of trash talking, especially to fans. I don't do that.
I haven't loved all parts of the Knick sirian experience.
But I respect immensely that when his quarterback doesn't play
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well and the team's not playing well, it's really easy
to go like, yeah, anything's possible. Nothing, it's not possible.
It's not going to be discussed. It's not going to happen.
This is the same guy let us to a Super
Bowl victory last year. He led us to a Super
Bowl going back to his second year in the NFL.
There's no reason to believe that we need to make
some dramatic changes. We just simply need to play better.
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And if you can't accept that you don't understand how
sports work, especially positions of leadership, because even if you
pull him out for a series, it kills his ability
to lead. If you offer up the possibility that you
may make a change, it kills his ability to lead.
You have to have complete, publicly, complete and total undying faith,
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and you have to do it in front of your team.
Now in the offseason, can you go, can we get
somebody better? Can we draft somebody young to challenge him
so that if this continues, we have another option? Maybe,
but right now they don't have that option right now.
They're too deep into a season. Let's not go crazy.
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It's not like the season is long right there. They've
won plenty of big games this year and the years
in the past, and he's played well in those pig games.
Even the Super Bowl loss. I thought he played exceptionally
well going back like half five years ago. So I
just think, we get to this and this is what
sports fans have become the fire everybody, you know, this
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is what's happened to the sec Like you have a
disappointing year or disappointing start, and boom your fires. Let's
get her to this guy and get to the next
guy as quickly as possible and see if he can
breathe hope into our lives. That's not gonna happen. It's
the same thing with players. If you just keep consistency
is key, you get more because at least you know
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what he can't, what a ceiling is, what his floor is.
As opposed to a new guy, you just do not.
And if you want any sort of leadership going into
the playoffs, you can't undercut that leadership by offering up
the possibility of pulling him. So Siriani can be a
wild man on the sidelines. You know, the facial expressions
are a lot, the gyrations, the talking trash to fans,
(08:06):
some of the things he's said in front of a
microphone don't love. But the fact is he is nailing
this one, nailing it, nailing it. And you can say, hey,
he can't show throw the ball thirty five times, I'd
agree with you. That's not who he is. He's gotta
run the football more. I'd agree with you. That's got
to be who he is. But the idea of jumping
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ship on Jalen hurts when he's going through a bet
like Mahomes isn't playing well. Why are we not talking
about pulling mahomes Well, he's won a bunch of Superols.
One Hurts has been to two one to one. What
are we doing here? He's in his prime athletically. If
you're going to make dramatic changes, if you're gonna think
about that level of change, one you gotta have something
(08:48):
better than the Ruster and two you can't do it
this time of the year. And three you got a
guy who just won a Super Bowl. It's gonna look
terrible for the entire organization if that happens. The only
thing that can change my mind on it is if
he walked in with as people in the Midwest and
southist with the big head right with he walked in
arrogant as can be all year long, never accountable, not
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my fault, things don't go wrong, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.
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What's wrong with Jalen Hurts?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Huh, It's funny. I do. I do radio and like
ten markets each week or something eight to ten. But
this is the one with how do you say this?
Because he actually threw the ball really well. Can't turn
the ball over if you Doug, If you I just
like the hurts his throws right, if you just go
through every throw, you go well, he meets some great
throws he had too that were not on him. Two
(10:12):
turnovers were clearly on him. Then the craziness of setting
a record of two turnovers on one play from the quarterback.
So his actually was not much wrong with him. He
had a couple of ball sale on him. There's some
timing stuff. He actually did not play badly. Like it's funny,
I'm checking in a lot of players this week and
a lot of the situations around the league. I don't
think the Eagles are terribly upset. They're pissed it they
(10:33):
lost the game, but I don't it's not what the
fans thought. I understand the reaction because when you turn
the ball over five times, everybody points to the quarterback.
That's understandable. You played point guard, you know, Doug. It's
all on the guy who's distributing the football. Hurts as
a ball distributor, as a quarterback, and he can't turn
the brawlover. But there was really nothing. What was wrong
with him was really the Bears game. He was awful
in that game. This game he was really not. But again,
(10:55):
that keeps scoring under twenty points, and that is the
part that's on the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Okay, what does the rest of their season look like to.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You, Philly? I would say that it would be hard
for them not to win the division. They're game in
half up. No one, Doug. It's one of the most
ridiculous records in sports. No one's won the NFC East
back to back in twenty one years, but Philly should
have it. They have a little bit of an easier
schedule over Dallas. Dallas, of course has the odd tie.
But you know, it's a funny business this. You know,
(11:28):
we talk about Jalen Hurts, and you know here in Philly,
in this market, fans don't know what to make of them.
He's so inconsistent. But if you really and I was
talking to a friend of mine with a team that
is we just got off the phone about twenty minutes ago.
We had a great talk about Hurts, ironically in a
bunch of other situations. He said, you'd love to be
in a position where you at least know who your
quarterback is, right because if you go through it, if
(11:50):
you go through Arizona, they don't know who the future
quarterback is. New Orleans they don't know who it is. Okay,
if you look, if you look at the Raiders, they
absolutely do have no idea who it is. Cleveland has
no idea who it is. Jets have no idea who
it is. So the fans could beat up Jalen Hurts
all they want, you, guys, a super Bowl winner. You
see what Matthew Stafford's doing when you hanging with a
guy though he's older, he's playing a leaf football when
(12:13):
you have cost certainty, you know what you have. At
least you have a chance, and that's what the Eagles
know with Jalen Hurts, although you really like his backup
Tanner McKee, who I believe will you had a first
round pick, believe it or not in March. But it
is really funny, Doug, because this Eagles team is so polarizing.
I don't know what it is, but people love to
talk about it, so I'm happy to.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Talk about Yeah. I think there's a little Russell Wilson
to him in that he is very concerned with appearance,
and I don't know I agree with that. I also
like Russell Wilson. Don't know if his teammates, all of
his teammates gravitate towards him the way they gravitate towards
some quarterbacks. I think that's a that's a question. I
don't know as an outsider. Maybe maybe you know this
(12:52):
is the Doug Otley Show. You listen to Fox Sports Radio, Okay,
what about the what about the other side? Have the
Chargers survive with their quarterback playing a couple of days
after having his broken hand repaired, but they're still kind
of held together by Pat patchwork offensive line, Trey Pipkin's
getting hurt now and the defense came through. What does
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it look like for them considering they're limping to the finish.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, I would say Doug with the Chargers Jesse Mentor,
who will be a head coaching candidate by the way,
he's done a great job. It's not the most talented defense,
it's execution. They execute their own defense very very well.
They're right there. I mean, it's unlikely that they're going
to win a division, but they're almost starting to be
a wild card. There are the look Herbert has never
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had this injury before. He looked. I give the guy credit.
Actually led them in rushing, which is not only did
he leave them in rushing. Yeah, the most carries in
any game he's had over the last two seasons. It
just doesn't make any sense he would have this with
a broken left hand. He struggled to throw the football
their line, as you mentioned, they struggled to pass protect.
He's the most pressure quarterback in a game this year
was this one. But yet they've found a way to win.
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I give the guy credit, he's good. She gotta have
to play with this. It's gonna take six weeks for
this thing to heal and one heel to the playoffs.
They're a good team, but they're not a super Bowl team.
But I say that this guy I was mentioning who
I talked to today, he said, Man, this is here
to make the playoffs because anybody will win it. I
you could say that the Rams and the Broncos because
they have the best records. Well, New England does, but
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they're not as talented. They're tied with Denver with the
best record. But there's no dominant team, Doug. If you
can get in, you could win this thing. Now, I
say that Pittsburgh has no chance. They're not winning the
super Bowl. I know that right now. They're the four
seed and they have an advantage over Baltimore right now,
but they have to play on once more. And the
Colts thing is crazy with Philip Rivers. I love it.
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But you know, it is a wide open year. There
are no dominant teams. This rarely happens, Doug. You usually
kind of know by now who the best team is.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
You do, and I have no idea either, Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Which is great. I think it's great. People. Look, the
league loves this.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Isn't it interesting that I think the Bears in a loss,
gained a lot of respect, maybe because they beat the
Eagles the way before. Where are you on the Bears
now that you've seen them against the Eagles and Packers
and back to back weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
It's a good question, I would say with the Bears.
Like my thoughts checking with people around the league on
the Bears was this, like no one really expected a lot.
You know, you didn't know about Ben Johnson. Defensively, they
don't really have much of passerage. They've been really banged
up in the secondary. I think the thing with Cavile
Wims is he's improved. He's not taking sacks like he
did last year. But Doug, the problem with him is
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is the accuracy. He miss his throws. He got a hit,
he can run, he's got a cannon of an arm.
He's coachable from what I understand, he's been coached better,
much better this season with this staff and obviously Ben
Johnson and the head coaches calling the plays. But there
they're another team, kind of like New England. They're just
so ahead a schedule. Now. The thing is, I remember
talking to the Giants, Doug. I want to bring this
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up because I want folks to understand how it works.
So I talked to the Giants in the twenty two season,
after when they shocked the world and made the playoffs
and won a playoff game. They went in Minnesota, right,
they knew their team was not as good as their
rec would in the icate, and they you know, they're like, wow,
we're gonna have to have a good assis. We just
know we're not that good and we over achieve. We
think we did a good job coaching and all that,
and you saw the things spire out of control. Dable
(16:10):
just got fired. So I think you look at New
England and talking to them, I think they're very realistic.
Oh and who they are and what they are, they're
ahead of schedule. Variable has done a phenomenal job. He's
learned a lot during his time off and with this
time and they spent with the Browns. He's become a
better head coach from talking to people there. And then
you got teams like you got a team like Green
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Bay that's maybe the NFL's most talented team. But somehow
when the playoffs come, Matt Lafour's a different coach. I've
called him the Lamar Jackson of head coaches great regular
season coach, not good in the playoffs. He gets too tight.
So it's so wide hoping I have to do this.
I vote in two polls up doing the for the playoff,
I have to pick like MVP, and you know, so
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many different for the ProFootball Rugs Association, which is it's deeper,
it's not as recognized as AP, but it's a pretty
involved process. I got a problem with these awards. I'm
not sure where I'm going with any of this. I
although I'd vote for Stafford right now as MVP.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
S Doug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, I'm
I'm sort of interested. I'm not sort of I'm actually
very interested on your take on the Chiefs. How has
this thing gone bad so bad so quickly?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, you know, I'm on WHB tomorrow, so I've been
on there for eight years and I'm gonna have to
talk about this. So, in fact, I told the host
Stephen Saint John said, Steve, I think we got to
start looking toward the draft, and he's like, no, I go, yeah, dude.
So I'm gonna give you, Doug what I have on this.
So it's not an injury thing. It's partially age as
great as Brett Feacha is one of the top three
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gms in the league any read obviously one of the
top two or three head coaches inn for history. They
missed badly on some personnel. Bad at cornerback. I knew
this in the off season. I've said it week after week.
They're gonna have to do something at corner They missed
on Kristin Fulton, who came up from the Chargers. He
didn't even play. They're home six million dollars now year
whether he's plays football or not. Again, it's that's guaranteed.
They missed on that. They missed with Jowan Taylor, the
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right tackle. The only reason why they didn't cut him
the off seasons because they owned twenty million. Fully guaranteed.
They missed on that. They they traded Joe Toney. Okay,
he's not a left tackle. Well, he had to play
left back on the Super Bowl because they had nobody else.
He's playing great football with Chicago. That was a mistake.
They haven't run the ball particularly well. And and then
in Mahomes has been inconsistent and Kelsey still looks looks
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like he can play. They're not getting the playmaking. They
thought out of Xavier Worthy, He's been hurt a lot,
Hollywood Brown has not progressed like they thought. He's really
not been hurt like he was last year. They're not
getting the play. So it's to answer your question, it's
missus in personnel, unfortunately from a great front. Officers just
not having a great year and players who they thought
would do better are not doing as well. And to
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answer your question, that's one hundred percent it. This is
what I've been told, and that's that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Sound sounds about right to me. Who are we missing?
That's actually good? Like is Jacksonville good? Who are we missing?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Boy one, I've gotten a couple right. I got Seattle
right for sure. I didn't see this in le see
these first year coaches, it's just you really don't know.
And Anthony Campinelli, their defense coordinator, is I have to vote.
I have to vote for a defensive coach of the year.
He's probably gonna get it if they win the division,
which they should. I don't think Houston's that good. I
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give Houston credit. They're in a they're on a small
heater here, but they're really not as good as their
eight and five record would say it is. But Jacksonville
to me and Trevor Lawrence was turning them over left
and Right's starting to play under control. Their defense is
probably overachieved, not the most talented defense, great coaching and
execution and by and by the way, that's the thing. This,
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this thing is so much better than anyone thought they
If you look at their rosher, you go, Okay, this
is probably a six or seven win team. Maybe if
if Liam con does a great job, maybe they'll be
eight or nine wins. Both they already have nine and
they probably will have eleven or twelve. They have well,
they have an interest schedule, and the Colts they may
not win another game. I just feels so bad for
Chris Boalther GM and Colt fans who were riding high
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at eight and two now, but they're struggling and they
got problems.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Adam Kaplan is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Tradiingo. I have breaking news caps,
so hold on real quick, let's take it. Turn it
over to Dan Byer.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Denny breaking news from Fox Sports Doug.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
A report from ESPN says that the University of Michigan
has fired head football coach Sharon Moore, so Charon Moore
out after two seasons as the Wolverines head coach.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Still still think there's not a lot of pressure in
college football there, Adam that.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Wow, I was that is not wow? That that because
I know college football is crazy in the timing of
this stuff, that to me is is surprising. I just yeah,
that that's a surprise to me. I didn't see that
happening you college Football's what I like about college football
is is this is kind of like if you know,
if you're an NFL guy like myself, this is where
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you see that. You see the guys in the infancy
of their careers and but the pressure though from the
coaching standpoint. This is why, by the way, with Doug,
I was talking to a college head coach and a
couple of weeks ago was kind of moved on. I
got a better job. I'm not gonna go to who
it was. But this is why these guys move on
because you never know if you don't, if you don't
meet expectations.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Of what.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Uh the alumni want and people are in charge, you're
going to get fired. You know that, and you know
you know you're coaching college basketball. You kind of know
the pressure that there is now that that's surprising me.
I didn't see that one coming.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Then I saw it coming next year.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
I did not see coming with more Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Coming coming coming this year, but a last year. We
are really quickly in the off season. Okay, in the
off season. How valuable is Kyler Murray going to be
on the open market.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
It's a great question. Here's the thing with Kyler Murray.
It's this contract. There's a significant amount of guaranteed money
due the next two years. Because of the contract structure,
the cardsoders are gonna most likely have to eat some
of that money be able to trade him. They're gonna
have to eat some of that money. That's the first thing. Now, Carla,
Murray's not gonna be for everybody. He's under five fot ten.
He's about five to nine in a quarter, and that's
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you know, that's gonna be a deterrent from teams trading
for him. But they're they're only thirty two of these jobs.
Someone will be interested. It'll probably happen. He's coming off
of this front injury and that's the concern. But the
hottest guy I'm telling you this right now because I
got this from two NFL people. It's gonna be Mac Jones.
Believe or not. I know it's some people are like
Mac Jones, get out of here. His tape, I'm told,
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is phenomenal when he filled in for brock Purty. That's
another reason why they're still hanging in there. I mean,
they're gonna make the playoffs most likely, but why they're
alive for that division and just why they're playing well
is mac Jones kind of kept everything to float and
played well. But he's got to be in a West
Coast system. He does not have a strong arm. He's
a timing based quarterback, and if he's in the right system,
he actually could be this year's Daniel Jim.
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do Do Do Boot got a great hour of the
show for you. Adam Kaplan's going to join us the
coast of Inside the Birds. We'll ask him. I mean,
why are we even asking if the Eagles would bench
Jalen Hurds. I don't know. Seems like sports radio fier plus.
We'll talk about the rest of the National Football League
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before we get to that. Let's do what we do
every Wednesday. It is the middle of the day. It
is the middle of the week. It is frank in
the middle of the show. Because we've got our hour podcast,
which you can download, like any of our podcasts, just
type in Doug Gottlieb Show, type in the check out
the podcast. You get the two hours of live radio
show and you get the in the bonus podcast, which
apparently everybody loves because we say the efford fruit. Fruit
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is the F word. Just kidding. Let's get dinner. It's
not getting in the middle with you.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's time for stuck in the middle, the midway.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay there, Jason, what's the topic of the midway from here?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I sent out two topics to the group text and
got one response, So I think we need to do
a product meeting on the air. I gave two options.
A third was not presented. So here are the two options.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
What is your fix for the college football playoff?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Fix?
Speaker 6 (25:13):
What's your fix? You know, we can have an interesting
conversation about each other's fixes.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I think R J.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Young he presented a fix thirty minutes ago that Doug
utterly shot down and demoralized and it wasn't even fair.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
They're just not going to play seventy games.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Yeah, the listeners heard it. They saw they saw the
massacre on the air, and then Marcus Freeman getting interest
from the NFL and it it kind of struck a
personal cored with me. And I want to say, in life,
do you stay at a great job that you are
loved at and you're good at for a bigger challenge,
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more stress, but more money.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I don't know if it's more stress. Again, I don't
know what Marcus Freeman's job's like. But again I don't
know if it's more strep But again, both are great topics. Dan,
do you have a lean?
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Well, I did on the group text.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I did tell you.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
She tells me you didn't read my response, Doug, I said, job,
I have ideas on the college football playoff, but I'd
rather talk about.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
The Jay Stews.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
Yeah, I kind of like the job. You know, everyone
could relate.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
To that, right, Okay, buyer, why don't you go first?
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So I think that there's a lot of and it's
not just Marcus Freeman, just even reading within the last
hour Jim Knowles. Remember, Jim Knowles was the hottest name
in college football for a couple of years for what
he did at Oklahoma State is their defensive coordinator. Then
Ohio State lures him away for millions. Penn State then
lures him away last off season for probably a million more,
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and now he's likely on his way to Tennessee as
James Franklin's no longer a happy Valley and Matt Campbell's
bringing in his his own crew. So when you chase
the money, I think that that is a situation that
can show you, all right, maybe the grass isn't always greener.
Now mat Ohio State, he ended up winning a national championship,
right for the two million dollars a year that they
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paid him to get him to leave Oklahoma State. But
then maybe leaving Ohio State wasn't the greatest thing for
him to go for a million dollars more. I think
it's the grass. The grass being greener. On the other side,
cannot be about money. It has to be about accomplishment.
So if Marcus Freeman's goal is to become a Super
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Bowl winning head coach, then I think you should go
to the National Football League and take those offers to
do that. But if you're just chasing the dollar, I
don't think that you're ever going to be happy.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Look, he has six kids, is that right? Remember? Right,
it's a lot to gaggle. It's more than a couple,
definitely more than a few. I think it's six. Could
be wrong, Dan is a five or is six? I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Actually I don't seven seven.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Children, all right, that's a recruiting class.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Uh so.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
And and he does a great job of crediting his
wife with like, hey, I'm barely home. You know, she
does an amazing job.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
I just.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
With the realities of these jobs. I know we're sitting
there going like it doesn't really matter. I'm gonna tell you,
I think it does, especially a guy who has seven
kids and it matters that much to him. My guess
is he ain't leaving for the pros. Now. The good
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thing about the pros is your off season is actually
your off season college. You don't recruit off campus nearly
as much as you used to. You're recruiting out of
the portal. It can be a fairly impersonal a high
school recruiting is still big at Notre Dame, but they
do recruit out of the portal a good amount as well.
I just think in terms of family and community, you
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stay or in the college environment. Now, my only question
is this is actually really Dan? He played Ohio State?
Is his dream job Ohio State? And if his dream
job is Ohio State, he just you got I guess
wait it out, or you go to the Pros and
then you can always come back when Ohio State comes
open and you've cashed in a bunch of money. The
problem is, again, you've got seven kids. I'm guessing five
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or six of them are school age. I don't know
the spread of all the number of kids taking them out,
moved them to like New York, the Giants or something like.
I just it's a hard life and I don't see it.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I'll say this like when you talk about the Ohio
State job, like, honestly, there's a bunch of guys at
their dream job is Ohio State. She just went from
South Florida, Auburn probably dream job go back to Ohio State.
Ryan Hartline who just left us, you know he's going
to stay on through the playoff as the coordinator, but
he's going to go to South Florida. Why did he
take the South Florida job?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So? Is it the only way to get the hoigh
of stage?
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Yes, that's at least what a lot of people feel.
So like in those instances, like what is the best
way to do it? And somebody's going to be left out? Now,
if Ryan Day were to leave tomorrow, Marcus Freeman being
a candidate at the top, you know, would he definitely
topped the list of anybody out there of taking that job.
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But you know what would would that be the would
that even be the timing of the move.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I'm telling you who's going to come after him in
a year.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Who's that?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Michigan?
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Yeah? Maybe, yeah, sure, the Sharon More era. Yeah, has
not come to fruition despite signing. They just had a
really good recruiting class. Michigan. Will see how that pans out.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
He has improved year over year on his record, Right, it's.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Two years he started a freshman quarterback. They're going to
have ups and downs. I mean, you gotta get yeah,
you got to get better.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Quit by five and now he's nine and three, right, Yeah,
I actually yeah, I like from the outside looking in
and not knowing all of the ins and outs there,
I've actually felt that he's done an alright job.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But there is this and maybe it's social media blowing
it out of proportion, but there's a bit of this
undercurrent that isn't happy with what he's done.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
I mean, I don't know if he should have gotten
the job for all the other stuff that he was
implicated in, but that's neither here nor there. But yeah,
if they have a they have an eight and three
season and lose to Ohio State again, yeah, I think that,
you know, it's going to be a name that's put
out there. But would you leave Notre Dame for Michigan.
The Dame job to me is I mean top of
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the top.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So so for you guys to understand, Okay, Notre Dame
for a long time didn't pay, didn't pay, didn't take transfers,
and it was hard to get into. Okay, that was
that was what limited Notre Dame. Didn't pay, hard to
get into, didn't take transfers, take transfers. Now, I think
they pay a lot of money. They have a ton
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of money, and they're more reasonable. Again, it's not a
junior college, not a lot to everybody in, but more
reasonable about getting kids into school. If you do that
at Notre Dame, why would you ever leave? Why would
why would you ever leave? I would, I would never leave.
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It is an unbelievable job.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
It is.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
I think again, if those three things are true, it's,
in any conversation, the best job in the country. Okay,
because it's synonymous with college football. You can get into
any household for recruiting. You're a draw national TV. You're
making a lot of money. It does cost nothing to
live there. You know you can, you know you can
go to Michigan. You know, drive up to Michigan the
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coast and have a have a home there in the
summer and be on the water, play golf whatever. Like
you're an hour and a half from Chicago. You got
alums everywhere, Notre Dame alums. Let me tell you what
it's like to play a Notre Dame in basketball. And
we weren't any good everywhere we played, and we played
all over the country. After the game, there be a
Notre Dame club of Baltimore, of Miami, of Los Angeles,
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of wherever, and you know, you'd have you'd meet and
kind of kidd it's a while or whatever. Now those
guys are all influential in terms of nil Again, Notre
Dame is not a job. I'm leaving an NFL job.
NFL job is just a job, just a job.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
You know, you're not going to see your seven children.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's all stressful. Okay, yeah, none of it's not stressed.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
But like the sleeping in the office thing that they
claim to do, you know, and I'm sure they do,
but like in the NFL, it's like even more time
put into game planning.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
And I've heard people say though that the NFL, at
least it's just about football.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah that's true. Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And honestly college college where I just had a conversation
to the break about a class with one of my players,
but for the most part at the highest level, kind
is just about football there too. But now here's the
downside to college sports. Now, how it's do you got
to deal with agents, which you have to deal with
in the NFL, but more so and if you're not
dealing always with the same level or quality of agent,
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And until you get multi year contracts with guys, you
can have free agency every year, and that's really hard.
That's the one thing that will push guys to the
pros from college because dude, do I have to recruit
a whole news team every year? That's really really hard.
I have ten new players. It is not easy. Not easy.
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Like can I touch you guys this? Like nope, thought
that last year.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
I would also say this that if we're talking about
Marcus Freeman, that the Notre Dame job is probably better
than two thirds of the NFL jobs, like of just
of we're looking at it like in a way, like
the FL is a step up because it's professional football,
it's at its highest level. I don't think that's ultimately.
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I think some guys are made to coach pro football,
some guys are made to coach college football, and others
can go back and forth between both. But if you
took two thirds of the openings in the NFL and said, hey,
Marcus Freeman, you want to come here, considering like would
Marcus Freeman leave for the Raiders, that would that would
be absurd. Why would you ever go to that ownership group? Right,
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never have your family to Vegas like that doesn't and
so then you can lose the job in three or
four years like that. So so like even Notre Dame,
when we're talking about the value of Notre Dame, they're
half the NFL is eliminated in my mind, Yeah, I
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Yeah, like you're not you're not taking Falcons, You're not
taking the Jets, are taking Jets, Like that's not taking Raiders.
It's not. Listen, you keep saying stress.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
No, I mean, but like like just the the monumental pressure,
just like it's just.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Talks Sam Sam, Sam, Sam Sam. How many SEC coaches
were fired this year?
Speaker 7 (36:08):
A whole lot.
Speaker 8 (36:09):
I'm gonna talking about the New York media though, I'm
just talking about the pressure them, you know, under the mic.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Again, let me just explain, he's the head coach at
Notre Dame. Everything is micro managed. Okay, everything is micro managed.
There's an incredible level of stress and anxiety. Heck, they
lost two games by four points and won the rest
of their games and they're not in the college.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
No, no, I know I'm talking. I'm just speaking about it.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
And you have you have James Franklin. Okay, James Franklin's
won a Rose Bowl. James Franklin's done everything for Penn State.
Three games in the season he was fired. He didn't
have the choice, he had to move his family. Absolutely,
go Look my Gundy won of twenty one years, eighteen
of them. He won won more games there than anybody's
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ever won. Three games in Gone now his alma mater,
he's no longer the coach there. It's super weird. So
my point is that if you think that thel is
more stressful than college football, no, I got news for it.
Speaker 8 (37:03):
The culture surrounding the Jets, like a job like that
is just there's it's so negative, Like a place like
Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
You can't win, is kind of what you're saying. Unless
I win big. You can't win Notre Dame.
Speaker 8 (37:13):
It's going to be a pressure cooker, but it's also
there's going to be a lot of positivity behind you,
and those fans are going to be in the stands
every weekend.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, but you college, I agree with that second you
have now, South Bend's not a college town. The campus
Notre Dame is beautiful, it's not South Bend. There are
some brilliant Mishawaka is a really nice area. But I
do generally agree with you. It's not truly a college town.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
What was a smaller town then small town vibes not
small interject here, but I think that we have two
people in on this conversation that have had prominent jobs before,
not that they aren't now, but Jason was such a
key part of Jim Rome and Doug you are such
a big part of Es. You've talked about the moving
(38:02):
of those jobs and moving to different spots. I mean,
I think that that's sort of even just on the
on in this business or any other business, there's the
grass maybe isn't always greener.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's a great point. Don't don't mess with happy. I
just say, don't mess with happy if you're not happy, well, okay,
there's no amount of money that's going to make you happier.
But if you're happy and you like who you work for,
you like who you work with, and you like where
your family is, just don't don't move.
Speaker 7 (38:34):
Just ask Kirk ference
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