December 11, 2025 • 49 mins
On a Thursday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug gives his take on the scandal at Michigan as their football program has been thrown into chaos do to the decision making by now-former head coach Sherrone Moore.
Doug and Dan Beyer get deeper into the Michigan scandal.
Doug welcomes former NFL tight end and standout at Oregon George Wrighster onto the show to talk about the Michigan situation.
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there's kind of only one topic today, right, there's only
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one topic today. It is not the Green Bay Phoenix
who Well, we played a night against IU Indy and
in a game in which you know, we we got
to compete in against the school that runs the system
where they press and it's crazy. But that's not the
story of the day. The story day is Sharon Moore,
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who was who I mean, that's a day right that
where he was fired yesterday with credible evidence of him
being engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.
He was booked in custody. Hey, last night, and you know,
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Pittsfield Police Department responded to a call at four to
ten pm Eastern time for purpose of an investigating alleged assault.
He was taken into custody. The incident does not appear
to be random in nature. It appears to be an
ongoing then there appears to be no ongoing threat to
the community. Right, So I'm just I'm gonna be different
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than these sanctimonious people that are out there. Cheron Moore
had a series of really really bad decisions, really bad decisions.
And when you're a coach. I've heard David Blatt say this.
David Blatt remember when he was the head coach of
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the Cleveland Cavaliers. He liken being a head coach in
the NBA to being a fighter fighter pilot and that
you have to make thousands of split second decisions. Now
this is not necessarily They weren't split second decisions, right.
It's not just that he was having an affair. It's
not just that he was having affair with somebody who
worked for him. So there was a lot of thought
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that went into all, you know, the whole thing hiring her.
I don't know if it the fair preceded hiring her
or once she was hired, I don't know, but all
the thought that went into it. It wasn't like it
was being a fighter pilot where you make a split
second decision or being a coach on the field where
you got to make it. Hey we're going for two.
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You're not going for two. What are we doing with blitzing?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well we're doing it. You know, you've got to make
split second decisions, but they have to be based upon
your level of preparation. But I I one side dumb, okay, dumb.
And there is a gigantic push in especially state institutions
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to hire females as part of the basketball staff, the
football staff, baseball staff, okay, director of ops whatever. Because
optics and it also gives you a different perspective. It's
not all always the male guys don't always know the
right way to do things. But it does not come
without risk. And look, there can be some risk because
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sometimes an office romance when two people are both single,
like in office romance, can be very very normal natural.
This is not because he's married and she works. Sorry
for it, but under his guidance. There's a pause in it.
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But I would have to tell you, man, every not
every guy, most guys, I know, we have a self
destruct button. I've been through it myself, and I like, again,
who am I to cast stones when I'm a starting
point guard Notre dame. You know, I didn't come from
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a rich background, but I definitely wasn't, you know, rubbing
two pennies together, And yet I I took other people's
credit cards from their dorms and used it. Again, it
does pale in comparison, but it's still the idea of
you didn't need it, you had to know the ramifications,
and you end up having to leave one of the
most prestigious universities in the world. Right, that's that self
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destruct button. I've hit it before. And oh yeah, by
the way, I'm going to tell you I've been divorced before.
I just I can't imagine being Sharon More today. And dude,
I get it. Like there's all kinds of ratification we're
going to talk about throughout the show. Right, who's the
next head coach? You know, freshman quarterbacks already in the portal.
Everyone in that program is going to lose their job.
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That's how it works. Strength coach people that have nothing
to do with anything. They did nothing wrong. All they
did was work every single day. That's the deal about
being a head coach. In order to hire assistance. They
have to believe in you as a person as a coach,
believe in the program, believe in the place they're all in,
and their key cards don't work any more like a
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cellar house. They gotta move, the kids, gotta find new schools,
all because of his series of terrible decisions. Yeah, I'm
not saying I'm okay with any of them. All of
them are bad, all of them are dumb. But I
do find it really, really, really really interesting how many
people choose to you know, like, look, you come up
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with the Coldplay meme. That's funny, But I woke up
going man Oh, I got some empathy for that guy.
I just do because he lost everything yesterday. Now do
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people say it's over and never be blah blah blah blah.
By Petrino obviously is the guy who can go Hey,
by Patrino, same exact thing, only more spectacular way of
going out into blaze of the glory. Now by Petrino
had one previously, you know at Louisville been the NFL,
but Barb Petridia has done a lot. By Petrino, by
the way, was head coach at Louisville a second time around.
Bobby Patrino was the interim coach at Arkansas a second
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time around after he got fired for the exact same thing.
So it it does. It feels at this moment he
lost and cost everybody everything everything. But there's a lot
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of dudes that do a lot of bad stuff because
of bad decisions. You're like, I would never do that. No,
you might not. Hopefully you do not cheat on your
on your spouse. You have a drink and drive. Ohow no,
two beers, three beers. Okay, you're drinking drive, You're getting
behind a loaded weapon and you're taking everyone else's life
in your own hands with no real control over it,
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and the likelihood of and you could kill people. That's sorry,
worse than losing your job, moving your family. There's lots
of things that got do that are dumb. We are
a we are the dumber part of the species. Like no,
I would never bowl that. I guarantee you know. We
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all have that that trigger. Some some operate where they
brush up against it more often. Some are smart and
calm and go like I know that name, I know
that button, that napalm, butmant button, I'm not hitting it.
And for all of those people, I commend you. I
got to tell you that I am a work in progress.
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I just am. I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Last week I I use my Jedi strength to push
a stool when I didn't think anybody's looking and got
clipped on camera. Nobody's around. I got made to be
Bob freakin' Knight. By the way, if I can win
as many games Bob Knight, it'll be a good it'll
be a good run. Point is that I understand guys
do stupid stuff. This is a series of really stupid decisions.
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Why are you hiring a woman and why are you
sleeping with the woman out of wedlock, and why are
you doing it with somebody who works for you? And
you work for the University of Michigan and dude, don't
and have friends that go like, hey man, I know
that you're I've seen how you guys look at each other, like, dude,
we're all going to get fired. And you know we
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could go through the there's only three undefeated teams, right,
seventy two Dolphins, father time, and you know the other one.
If you don't ask a friend, they'll tell you. I'm
not saying it's okay in any way. I realize that
what's what's the word, Jay stew that you used the
downstream effect great way, the downstream effect, not realizing how
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it affects everybody else. You just natepalmed the winningest college
football program of all time. Wow, but he who's without
sin can cast the first stone. I ain't doing it.
I ain't doing it. It's dumb, it's bad, it sucks.
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But he's not the first and won't be the last.
And the conversation you got it you'll have with your
buddies is like, dude, if you ever see me ever,
make guys, it's somebody at work stop me, tackle me,
don't do it, and also should be the damn. We'll
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take a lot of people's opinions on it, and I
do value their opinions. And I know a lot of
people sit there and go, you're completely wrong. This guy
did something and he cost people their livelihood and he
ruined a great college wall program. I actually think you're right.
I'm not disputing that at all. I'm just saying we're
all human beings, and there's been plenty of dudes that
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have stepped out of their marriage. There have been plenty
of dudes that have done plenty of dumb things. I
just I have some empathy for him today. I have
a lot of empathy for him today, mostly because again
I don't know if he can make amends with his wife.
I have no idea of the status of that relationship.
But I can tell you going through it is going
through divorce. It's worst worst. You know, there's no such
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thing as a good doors. Here's Adam Schefter, ESPN's NFL Insider,
talking about Sharon Moore's side of the story for what we.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Have in her yet is Charon Moore's side of this?
And he gets his say into this particular situation as well.
And I do know that he felt like people had
it in for him for an awful long time there
while he was at Michigan. He felt like there were
people who were out to get him. So all these
things can all be true. It's possible that, yes, Michigan
does have evidence that he had an inappropriate relationship with
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a staffer, and it could be that Charon Moore is
right that people had it in for him. But the
whole situation itself is just sad and tragic because now
we have a individual who had his professional life, his
personal life completely upended. We have a school with a
bunch of players who don't have a coach to turn
to right now, we have a school in search of
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a program a new coach to lead forth that program.
They are a whole host of things that have transpired
here that have led this to be a completely surreal,
wild situation that if you heard about it, you wouldn't
believe it because it almost seems made up.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I actually I believe that sharroanmore feels like he had
people out to get him. He did, I'm sure at
people out again because he was in Jim Harbaugh and
they didn't do a national search, and he got the job,
and they lost, you know, most of their team to
the NFL. It was all loaded up for that one year,
you know, and Mintor goes to the Chargers with him
and they had to start over. And the only thing
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great that happened last year was they beat Ohio State,
right and then this year he gets a freshman quarterback
and game two of the season, they go into Oklahoma
and they get beat and they were they were better.
They were good, but not good enough. And when you
have two years in this competitive environment, people are not
to get you. But you can't give him a reason.
You just can't, can't do it, and he gave him
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an easy reason to get rid of him.
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and we have a lot of fun and we're gonna
go back to two thousand and eight. I'm gonna give
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credit to Dan Byer because he's the only professional in
this group, because we all want to mess around and
have fun about two thousand and He's like, you know,
this is too big a story, and he's right. Our
job is to cover what people are talking about we
can't start an hour of a radio show and be
a real sports radio show that talks about what people
are talking about without talking about this Sharun More story.
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So we're not gonna do don't call it throw back Thursday,
not that we wouldn't have fun with it, not that
we can't pocket it and do it next week. So yesterday,
at about this time, maybe a little bit later, like
fifteen minutes, was when this story broke. We have we
are twenty four hours into it, and the irony to
it was Dan and I along with who is our
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guest yesterday that Adam Kaplan who covers the National Football League.
We were talking about jobs and I was like, hey,
you know, maybe Sharon Moore in Michigan next year because
I knew the pressure. It's like, don't ever follow Harball.
It's gonna happen at Stanford. By the way he left,
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I don't ever far It's too It's really hard. I mean,
Caitlin de Bores in the college football Playoff, most people
believe that had they been left out of the College
Football Playoff, they get fired. And there are people saying
today that even though they're going to play against Oklahoma,
get a rematch against team that they massively out gained, kay,
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and they got to play on the road that he
may leave and take the Michigan job. Because you're following Saban.
It's like following Caliperry when you're in. Doesn't work for
anybody so hard because the guys are they're so good,
they have it so wired, they have all their people,
and then they leave and it's really really hard to
put back together again. That's not why he lost his job.
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He lost his job because messed rout with a woman
that not only was not his wife and he was married,
but he employed her. That's how they got And there's
no real defense for it. I mean, what what do
you like? The everybody's out to get me? And like again,
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we can all in our minds speculate as to the
did it just happen once and then she said something
to somebody and then it got back to her and
that's why he went on and for like, why are
you telling people? I don't know? It doesn't matter. All
it takes is once she works for you, Okay, she
can sue the entire university, you understand, and others can
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sue as well. Now for unfair hiring practices. That's what
he like. We all look at the infidelity and it's
I'm not in any way saying infidelity is a good thing.
I'm not. I'm saying the reason he got fired is
because it opens up university to a litany of legal issues,
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and universities almost always settle because if you go to court,
then it's got to be disclosure. Then everybody's text messages,
everybody's emails, everybody they know gets exposed. And there's always
something when you know, you open up the hood that
you don't like. That's what happened, you know, that's the
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reality of it. And if this is one of the
we thought the hiring cycle had kind of ended. But
I want you to stop and take a breath and
think about this. Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Auburn,
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Kentucky forgetting some Oklahoma State, Iowa, State, UCLA. We missing
any dan byer that have come up in so far
this year. I think that's plenty. Yeah, I think, I mean,
holy cow, holy cow. Like if you thought the transfer
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portal was something, we're talking about half of the biggest
programs in the Virginia Tech. Sorry, insane, what's happened in
this sport? Obviously this is a different story than those
other ones, but there's some similarities there. Crazy Dan, where
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are you on the story right now?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, the reason that I wanted to talk about it
is also when you were talking with George Reister, it's
other schools have had scandals before. You brought up my
name as an Ohio State fan, and I know there's
no qualms about that whatsoever, But it feels like the
points that I think people are talking about and that
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I'm curious about are being framed that this is coming
from a bias side. And when you're saying that Penn
State can't say anything, Michigan State every Yeah, everybody has
gone through it, but guess what, they're not going through
it right now. Like this is the topic that is
going on right now that we are talking about. So
it doesn't come from a bias. It comes from this
is the thing that people are talking about, and there
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are legitimate questions about why this happened. When this happened,
we're hearing other rumors about Sharon more and maybe reaching
out to other females, whether they be only fans models
or ig models like these are all things that are
starting to pop up. But there's also the point of
this is that why did this investigation conclude on December tenth?
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And why did this investigation which had been going on
for months that people close to the program had known about,
why did it happen then? And why wasn't anything done
at that time? And I think these are all questions
and I'm saying this because I don't have the answers
to them. I can guess, and I could be I
guess I could be Ohio State fan and said you
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just wanted to be at Ohio State. But that could
be an absolute reason they did it the week after
National Signing Day? Was that fair to the recruits? Like?
What are all these reasons? And all of these things
that are being brought up are legitimate aside from the
fact that he violated the university code. But as I
told you yesterday, the thing that wasn't different to me
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was this is what broke the straw that broke the
camel's back, him having in a fair with a staffer
after everything that has gone on within that program, that
this was the point where they said, we can't have
Sharon Moore anymore. He still hasn't completed as full suspension
from his role in the counter Stallion's situation, like there
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were still more games that he needed to serve via suspension.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, but this doesn't. That doesn't that answer itself though,
And again the first thing is I understand what you're saying.
I'll get into the the and I apologize to you.
If you thought the fan thing was casting dispersions on
your opinion, it was not. I'll get to I'll explain
in one second. The first thing is you did you
basically laid it out yourself for as why there can
be no tolerance for it. You're still haven't served all
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your game suspension and you have this like come on,
what are we doing here? Second thing is it's one
thing to be to have infidelity. It's a whole other
thing when she works for you. It's not she works
at the university. She works for you. Okay, that is lawsuit, lawsuit,
lowsuit everybody who applied for that job. Because it's a
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state institution. In order to hire somebody, okay, they have
to go through all these layers of hiring, or you
have to do an emergency high where you're like hey,
and that that's when the president has to get involved,
the ad has to get involved in you do an
emergency hire, so anybody who applied for that job that
doesn't get it can now sue Michigan for unfair hiring
practices because you hired somebody because they think she was
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stooping the head coach. That's the real again, that's the
reality of what happens in these situations. Okay, it is
a is a Title nine violation. It is a's HR
violation as well as a violation of your contract and
your and the university Code, et cetera. But more than anything,
if you do something where your school can get sued
for it, you're going to get fired. And then you
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factor in, as you said, still hadn't served all the
suspension for the previous scandals, which has nothing to do
with this, But it's the we we can't. But I
don't I don't think it got to that level. I
don't think it had any thing to do with any
of that other stuff. I do think they wanted him
gone because they weren't winning, like Ohio State was winning,
and I think it made it really really easy for him.
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And it's really really dumb.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I agree with that, and that's why I say, if
there wasn't something happening in October, considering the damage, and
I actually think that the culture that Sharon Moore was
living in in ann Arbor, within that program, within that
university allowed him to think that he was superman. I mean,
he got away with everything he did, and so like
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that's why I also think that some of the blame
then comes on Michigan and falls on them for how
this all transpired. And I think that there could be
blame if they knew about this for months in advance
and knew that something was going on.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's a great question, but I don't Again, I don't
know the Mike. Again, this is just a guess. Okay,
the guess is, yeah, they probably probably didn't know a
while back, right, there's no more secrets, only actually had
to be revealed. They probably knew. And yeah, again it
is curious that that they didn't have the findings, but
you also have to have a thorough investigation. You just do.
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And had they come to the conclusion in the middle
of the season, you nap palm the year nap palm. Now,
I don't know legal ease, and I obviously they have
to protect themselves. Like when you have these things going on,
all the lawyers get involved, and you're like, you know,
so if they did it so that it was done
after the season had concluded, they did it under the
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guidance of university attorneys. Again, we're acting like we know,
we're not. I'm not an attorney. I don't know. But
something of this magnitude is never done without the most
important people signing off on the most important people is
the attorney, right, because Michigan has a massive endowment and
all of that can be had with lawsuits. Right, it's
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what's hindered Michigan State with the the trainer they had
USC had these issues as well. Okay, so you're well,
you're you're not wrong, Like when do they know about this?
And that's also how people get fired. When did you
know and what did you do about it? And did
you pass it up the chain of command? If you
didn't tell you're superior, then you're gonna get fired today.
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And if your superior got this information and didn't pass
it up to their superior, they're gonna get fired today.
That's how That's how these things work, and that's why
I started the show going. I actually understand all these
people are going to be gone. Everybody right, And it's
crazy because, as you and I know, Michigan's basketball team
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is unbelievable. They're being they're smacking everybody by forty. Nobody
cares right now. All they care about is football, and
this is a massive stain on an incredible university. But
yet you're listen, we're all right to speculate. My issue
on the or my thought on the talk of being
a fan is I do think that our fandom gets
in the that's where the well, you know, they were
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able to get away with violations with the Connor Stallions thing,
and I'm like, dude, I just don't see a correlation
at all. I just don't. I know.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Do you agree that Michigan was not forthcoming with the
NCAA throughout the investigation.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I do, but I have no I also hold on, hold,
let me finish my finish. But again that comes from
Oklahoma State basketball. Totally forthcoming, got penalized anyway, and everybody
tells you, like, you know, it used to be following
the sword. Tell them everything and you'll get you know,
and they'll lessen the punishment, and that doesn't happen. So
nowybody's like, don't say nothing, but nobody about nothing. Period's
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top again and I but again, I just don't think.
I could be wrong and I could be naive on
this one, but I don't think because you because I
don't think they got away with anything with the Connor
Stallions thing. I just don't. I don't think. I don't
think it was a massive deal. We all do things
in scouting and trying to know somebody's play casts.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
That's not the point we're starting to move away. The
point is is if Michigan did cover up or was
not forthcoming to the NC Double A, then why would
we expect them to be forthcoming about their head football
coach in the middle of a football season that you
just said five minutes ago that they didn't want to
tank the season because they had a four million dollar quarterback.
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However much Bryce Underwood was making, they only had a
loss to Oklahoma on their schedule. There were still bigger
fish to fry. And that's the question about what about
the timing of all of this, like the Sharon More stuff,
is I think it's blatantly obvious if you're having an
affair with your staff, or whether you're married or not,
whether we have kids or not, can't happen. You're one
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hundred percent correct. But how much did Michigan know? Because
that's the point of everything that happened in the Harbaugh
era and the counter stallions thing, and even before that,
what did Michigan know and did they cooperate? Did they
think they could get away with it again? And then
when it was convenient for them to get of a
head coach that Boosters and other people were souring on,
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they then acted on the opportunity. That's what every Ohio
State fan, Michigan State fan, every college football fan, every
sports fan wants to know and probably has a right
to know, whether they're a fan of those teams or not.
And that's what we don't know right now. And that's
why I think this is such a huge story, and
as big as it.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Is, when do they know, who do they tell, what
do they do about it? It's it's where the cover
up becomes bigger than the crime. I get it. I'm
still dealing with the crime, and I think the allegations
of a cover up we'll see. My guess is again,
this is a guess I don't know, I have zero facts.
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I've had zero time to call people and dig in.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I just have.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
My personal guess is they probably did find out about
it sometime in the middle of the season, and they
probably went to the lawyers and like, hey, what do
we do, Like you got to have a complete investigation
and it and I'm sure they probably said, like, let's
have it for after the gay after the season is done.
But I don't know. I don't know if there's a
university policy that has a uniformity with the timeline of
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investigation forty five thirty days, forty five days, sixty days,
six months, I don't know, but I do believe that
if there was an investigation, which there was, Okay, that's
what we were told, right, if there was an investigation,
all of these things Again, part of it, part of
the good thing in your desire to get answers, is
you will because it's at a state institution, it's at
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a state institution, it was a private school, then go
none of your business, none of your business. And it
is It's also interesting that you know, Pat Fitzgerald just
got a job at Michigan State, right he was he
was fired because of allegations of mistreatment of players. Okay,
they did an investigation. We didn't find out about any
of those findings to it till he took him to
court and then he you know, there was there were
(29:56):
stories about it, but he took him to court and
was exonerated and I was back as head coaching in
the Big Ten. I don't think Sharon Moore is going
to be exonerated, but I do think we'll find out
all of those details that you want to know. I
don't think you can cover it up when there's a
university led investigation in the state institution, especially one like Michigan.
That's that's that's an educated guess, but again I want
(30:18):
to make sure that's clear. It's a guess you will have.
You will know when they knew, and you will will
probably have to assume some things, but you will know
who knew and what they did about it, and if
they didn't do enough, or if they didn't pass up
a chain of command, or they didn't alert others to it,
or if they made it so, hey, let's make the investment.
(30:38):
If there's an email that says, hey, let's make sure
this investigation comes to a conclusion after football sceness that
is over, that person will be fired. That includes ward manual,
that includes the president of the university, that includes anybody.
That's that's how it works. They all lose their jobs
if they didn't do the job properly.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
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little bit.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Here.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Dan Byer happily married man,
Jason Stewart happily Are you engaged? Jayce dou I'm just
I know Caes your smoking hot GIRLFRIENDM not trying to
put any pressure on you, but I know Jacobs engaged, right.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
I'm not officially engaged. My son is yep.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, uh, Sammy, I don't know your relationships now. I
have a girlfriend, Okay, I have a girlfriend. I am
I have a girlfriend. I am, but I'm also divorced.
So again, we all come out from different perspectives, different perspectives.
My perspective look coaching a college team, I mean obviously,
(32:03):
like there's a million decisions you can make, and I
have no doubt that he had the sense people are
out to get him, and you feel like everybody's looking
what you do when you just have to kind of focus,
calm the noise, coach the team get better. But dude, like,
what do we do? What are you doing here? It's
just dumb. But again, I woke up today thinking, God,
(32:24):
I feel bad for that card. I feel bad for
everybody involved. Right, the young woman, she made a terrible decision.
She ruined a family. Whether the family stays together, because
you can sometimes mend these things, I don't know. But
I'm just trying to be a human being here, not
(32:45):
be you know your classic sports and but you know
sports sports, yacker, and do what everybody else does, which
is take a pound of flesh. Why you don't have
to take a pound of flesh. Dude, it's already done.
Guardy lost his job. I canna lose his marriage. I
cost all of his best friends. You only hire people
that you respect, like frankly love. Those are the people
(33:08):
that you you got to go to war with when
you're going to be a college coach because it's really
really hard cost all those people's job. So I actually
woke up with empathy sympathy as well. Dann Bayer, your.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Thoughts If on a scale one to ten, you had
a ten for empathy for Sharon Moore, I have a
negative a million. I just I don't have I don't
have any empathy at least not now that may change,
but just know, empathy whatsoever for Sharon Moore at this time.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, any other thoughts that you have that you want
to share on the actual situation.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, yeah, I mean, I just I just I don't
like there's it's a separate situation when we look at
what happened. So Sharon Moore ends up having this this breakdown.
It feels like from the reports that we've heard after
he found out that he was being fired, was that
(34:05):
this was going down, and so it's I think we
have to separate the two in how we like look
at the situation. But now the more that we're hearing
about possibly people knowing about this four months for this
investigation to go on and wrap up at this time.
I think that there are so many questions about Michigan,
(34:27):
Michigan's role, why it happened when it did, and I
think that those are the questions that I'm curious about.
I know that there apparently was another woman involved in
some affair. I still put the onus on more shoulders.
He had so much to lose, as you've pointed out,
(34:48):
Apparently she now may have been the alleged victim where
he was arrested or I shouldn't say detained, I should
say so.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I just think that there's like this is just an
ugly situation. But I also think that Michigan is to
blame with part of it. Prior to this outburst because
of what was allowed and what wasn't allowed. And Sharon
Moore got away with a lot of stuff at Michigan,
so he probably thought he could get away with this,
and then when he didn't, when they decided to put
(35:16):
their foot down for whatever reason they felt that they
needed to, whether it be alumni wanted to get rid
of them, whether it be they didn't he couldn't beat
Ohio State two weeks ago, whatever the reason, is Michigan
isn't innocent in all of this, and so I think
those are the that's the point that I look at
whether I feel awful for his family, I feel awful
(35:36):
for his kids. It's going to stink for the people
that didn't know what was going on. But within the
Michigan football program, there are a lot of people who
knew what was going on with a lot of different things,
and they never did anything about it until now when
it was convenient. And now look at where you are
case two.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
I mean, I'm not even sure where to start, but
just in general, my blanket opinion on this, and I've
got George right here, that life comes down to a
series of choices. We all have the agency to make
decisions and choose things. If you're saying that the program
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had it end for him, as Adam Schefter said, or
if you're saying that you have a lot of empathy
for the guy you are, you seem to be taken
away from his responsibility and the choices that he made.
And at this juncture, twenty four hours after the news broke,
I'm not willing to give him that latitude. This all
(36:37):
seems to go back to a decision or a series
of decisions that he made. It's all his fault.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Oh they listen, I'm not abssolving him. Done to him.
I'm not absolving him. I'm not saying anything's done to him.
He did this himself, zero question about it. Did it himself. Okay,
that's the worst part about it. It's the it's the plexico.
Buris right. It's one thing to get shot in a club.
(37:05):
It's another thing to shoot yourself in the club and
then go to jail for shooting yourself. You're like, oh,
my right, And that's the worst part. My point is men, generally,
it's a general statement, but it is proven based upon
every statistical analysis ever ever, ever, make more dumb decisions
(37:28):
than women. Do They just do? Like, that's why our
insurance rates are higher. Duh, because we make bad decisions
when we're driving. And more men are incarcerated than women incarcerated.
Why because we make more bad decisions than women. And
I just again, I'm not absolving it from I get it. Dude,
(37:49):
Like bro lost everything and cost his best friends their job,
and he was the head coach at the winningest college
football program of all time. That's all gone and I'm
not blaming anybody else. I'm saying I understand the propensity
to make bad decisions or make a bad decision that
(38:10):
can cost you, and then when you wake up the
next morning, it's and then and then I actually understand
uniquely the weight of media social media from my position.
Now again, I'm saying last week, I pushed it. I
got mad, pushed the stool by the way, because we
lost the game. I lost my cool. Wasn't smart, not
(38:36):
the end of the world. There's nobody around. I don't
think anybody saw. I wasn't happy with myself. I just
I was just so and I had kept my cool,
shook hands with Andy Toole and the entire staff and
every player on the Robin Morris team, and there was
nothing that I got the arah, and I just felt
the weight of the world because everybody made this gigantic
deal like I'm Bob Knight throwing a chair out in
the middle of a crowd. So I understand that uniquely.
(39:00):
I understand bad decisions that lead to all the ramifications downstream.
As you said, Jason, but I mean there is a
point of it where you look around and go like damn,
feel bad for that dude. George Reister joins us now
on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
He played college ball at Oregon. Of course, he's a
(39:21):
former NFL tight end. And if you haven't checked out
The Unafraid Show with George Reister, you should. It's podcast
you can download from our iHeart Podcast network. George, what
was your immediate reaction when you heard the story We
heard the news break yesterday.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, it was kind of twofold because the first thing
that I heard was that he was getting fired, and
I was like, oh my god, they got sick of him.
And then I thought why about two minutes later and
I was like, oh no, well that will get you fired.
It was just and then I started Then my emotions
(39:56):
started ranging because it was it's sad, dude. It's sad
for his family. It's sad for all the kids that
committed to play for him. It's sad for the recruits,
for the the fan base, the disappointment, it's like there
there there are no winners here, and and he and
(40:16):
he made some very poor choices, and yes, he's the
only one to blame. But but at the same time,
as a person, you know who is who is imperfect,
I think, and none of us are. I think it's
easy to, you know, judge and say, how could you
make that colossal of a decision when the reality of
(40:39):
life is is that when you make bad choices, sometimes
the consequences are severe.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
They are It is interesting like read the holiday season
and everyone talks about Jesus and you're like, well, you
know Jesus was forgiving and understanding. You know, it was like,
but but people can be so cruel when again, I'm
not saying that he deserves to keep his job. I'm
not saying that he shouldn't feel the weight of what's happened.
I'm saying he already does. You like the old Hey,
(41:06):
let's go off the top rope and a dude is
clearly down for the count? Uh? Is the is the
piloting on and people taking great joy in it because
of their collegial ties, Like, dude, if you want to
do dig in Ohio State's got plenty of creepos that
that were that have been coaches there. Okay, one was
caught on on camera when he was the head coach
(41:27):
in the NFL. You go to Michigan State, you can
go to all of them, all the Big ten, how
you go to school by school by school, they all
got an issue. Okay, let's let's let's not do it.
We can do the whole radio show and I could
go through each one each and everyone. Yes, Dan Byron,
I'm talking about Ohio State. They don't employ angels that
have worked or played in Ohio State. Don't act like
they do.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
But okay, but but I think that people. You know,
it's easy to get your jokes off, but when you
look at this could have turned dead. Leave for himself
or for the young lady involved in it too. That's
the that's when you realize, oh, oh hold on, let's
(42:07):
let's stop. Let's stop with these jokes, jokes and playing around.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Okay, now we got to talk about the sports aspect
of it. What do you do to hires? Who do
you hire?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh? See here here, here's what a tough part is,
because they have to hire somebody quickly, because because because
because you can.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Lose your team, every kid that signed there is going
to be gone to because they can all get in
the portal. They can all get the portal anyway. So
but but yeah, you got to you gotta get ahead
of it.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
I'm probably trying. And I know that Michigan fans they
they want to win the press conference. They they want
to have a Matt Campbell moment, but unfortunately Matt Campbell
is not available now. And you've had Clark Lee uh
over there at Vanderbilt, Jeff Brahm at Louisville, h Brent
Key at Georgia Tech. All of these guys have announced
(43:01):
extensions to Kalani Tataki, Brett Rhtt lastly down at SMU.
So you're going to be at a point where maybe
you can poach a Jed Fish from from Washington or
May who's coached there previously, or maybe you can get
a guy like Kate Caitlin de boor if he's willing
to leave at Alabama, because they're not just going to
(43:24):
be trying to find a good head coach. Michigan wants
to win the press conference.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh no, they got it. Whoever it is gotta be
squeaky clean, right, You can't come in after after Harbaugh.
Harbaugh gets a show cause and Sharon Moore gets fired
two years later, and you got you gotta go squeaky clean.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Everybody gotta go like like if you were any way
tied to this, tied to the Connor Sallions thing or
or or anything. You gotta go.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Asap h I mean de boor to Michigan. And people
are like Lane Kifvin will then go to Alabama, I
don't know, I don't, I don't. I don't see that one.
That would be, that would be that'll be an all timers,
an all time Kiffin move. What do you think of
Kiffin at L s U.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I first of first of all, I think that LSU
hired the wrong guy. They they they should have gone
an hour and a half, hired John somemerall who's sitting
in Baton ro or who's yeah, who's who's that? Tu
Lane in New Orleans an hour and a half away.
He knows what at Tuffe is, He knows the difference
(44:32):
between Gumbo and Jambalaya, he knows how to relate to
those kids, and so he could have done well and
recruited there. But you got ls L s U. They
wanted that Lane Kiffin so bad because they wanted be
a name. And the reality is, yes, Lane Kiffin has
been a good head coach, and he's been good for
a while, but he's only won one conference championship in
(44:54):
in his history, and that was at at FAU and
he blows up everything every where where he goes. So
I'm not sure that if you're at LSU, I don't
know why you chase down somebody this hard, like like
he's Nick Saban or you know, or Kirby Smart.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Last thing, your biggest issue with the College Fotball Playoff committee.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Is what, oh what they what they did with Notre Dame.
But but not the fact that they left Notre Dame out,
It's more how they did it. So how the hell
are you going to have Notre Dame in front of
Miami for the on the Tuesday prior to the final
rankings and the Tuesday prior when they were in the
(45:39):
same spot, and not move them and switched them. The
problem is is that you as you set a precedent
by not switching them on the Tuesday prior or the
or the Tuesday prior to that, and then you switched
them at the last minute after Alabama gets their doors
knocked knocked off, when in reality Notre Dame and Miami
(46:00):
both should have been in the playoffs. I would have
punted the one hundred and third rushing offense in the
country in Alabama to the to the sun out of
sent them over to the Pop Start Bowl.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I wouldn't punted in Alabama, but hey, that's that you're
you're you're allowed to. They had good wins, man better
wins than those other ones. But it's it's gonna be fascinating, George,
great stuff. I encourage people to check out download this podcast,
The Unafraid Show with George Reischer. This's podcast Nightheartmedia. Of
course you can hear on weekends here on Fox Sports Radio. George,
we really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Ye are they.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
We'll just say manure okay, We'll say manure okay, because
manure is usually made by one cattle, and we'll say
this is bull manure. Right. You know what I'm I'm
I'm the the the word that I'm expressing here. Okay.
So you've heard this and I think you've talked about
(46:54):
it a little bit. Dan, there you go. I saw
this from Dan Wolken of Yahoo Sports, and I'm I'm
not saying that Dan's report is wrong. What I'm saying
is here, let me let me show you uh from
Yahoo Sports. After learning of Notre Dame's memorandum of understanding
(47:14):
that grants the Irish preferential playoff access starting next year.
Athletic directors and other leagues are threatening to freeze Notre
Dame out of future schedules, per Dan Wolken, threatening the
number one job of athletic directors is what damnire? Why
(47:38):
don't you just answer it, Doug, just tell us raise money?
There it is, raise money. So Notre Dame calls and uh,
let's pick a university in who's supposedly threatening to not
play them, right, USC, Let's do the USC thing like, oh,
this is the reason USC doesn't want to play them.
Do you want to fill your stadium? Do you want
(48:00):
to fill your hotel rooms? Do you want to be
on national TV and have one of the highest rated
games of the year. You don't? Okay, well you no
one plays. I call manure bowl manure. The idea, the
threatening to is just such a gray area. It's such
a gray area. If you're gonna if Notre Dame wants
(48:21):
to play you, if it works for your coaches to
have your coach is like, yeah, we'll play them. You're
gonna do it because you can make a crap ton
of money and you're gonna be on national TV. If
you're not gonna do it, they'll find somebody who will.
That's the reality of it. It just it's like, oh,
now now that they have a signed memorandum of understanding,
(48:43):
they're going to be in the College Wall Playoff if
they finished in the top twelve. Nothing of your decision
is gonna change that. You're unhappy with it, that's on you.
Your job as an ad again. Now, part of it
is if schools don't want to play Notre Dame, it's
because they don't want to go through what Texas did.
Why would it that game when it doesn't help me?
It only hurts me if I lose it, I'll play
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Indiana schedule, don't play anybody. Win enough conference games, get
to the com That's what's gonna happen. That's what the
committee did. That's committee told everybody to do. They told
all those SEC teams stop, stop playing good teams, stop
it big ten two, and all these coaches sitting there
going like the only way to keep your job, keep
making money, is to get to the College Wall Playoff?
(49:26):
Am I more or less likely to make the College
Wall Playoff if I play one of the elite teams,
and the answer is less right less. You have a
less than fifty percent chance of winning on the road
and even at home. Man, you gotta be really good
and if you win, it great. I call manure.
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there's kind of only one topic today, right, there's only
(01:12):
one topic today. It is not the Green Bay Phoenix
who Well, we played a night against IU Indy and
in a game in which you know, we we got
to compete in against the school that runs the system
where they press and it's crazy. But that's not the
story of the day. The story day is Sharon Moore,
(01:33):
who was who I mean, that's a day right that
where he was fired yesterday with credible evidence of him
being engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member.
He was booked in custody. Hey, last night, and you know,
(01:55):
Pittsfield Police Department responded to a call at four to
ten pm Eastern time for purpose of an investigating alleged assault.
He was taken into custody. The incident does not appear
to be random in nature. It appears to be an
ongoing then there appears to be no ongoing threat to
the community. Right, So I'm just I'm gonna be different
(02:19):
than these sanctimonious people that are out there. Cheron Moore
had a series of really really bad decisions, really bad decisions.
And when you're a coach. I've heard David Blatt say this.
David Blatt remember when he was the head coach of
(02:40):
the Cleveland Cavaliers. He liken being a head coach in
the NBA to being a fighter fighter pilot and that
you have to make thousands of split second decisions. Now
this is not necessarily They weren't split second decisions, right.
It's not just that he was having an affair. It's
not just that he was having affair with somebody who
worked for him. So there was a lot of thought
(03:00):
that went into all, you know, the whole thing hiring her.
I don't know if it the fair preceded hiring her
or once she was hired, I don't know, but all
the thought that went into it. It wasn't like it
was being a fighter pilot where you make a split
second decision or being a coach on the field where
you got to make it. Hey we're going for two.
(03:20):
You're not going for two. What are we doing with blitzing?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Now?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well we're doing it. You know, you've got to make
split second decisions, but they have to be based upon
your level of preparation. But I I one side dumb, okay, dumb.
And there is a gigantic push in especially state institutions
(03:46):
to hire females as part of the basketball staff, the
football staff, baseball staff, okay, director of ops whatever. Because
optics and it also gives you a different perspective. It's
not all always the male guys don't always know the
right way to do things. But it does not come
without risk. And look, there can be some risk because
(04:10):
sometimes an office romance when two people are both single,
like in office romance, can be very very normal natural.
This is not because he's married and she works. Sorry
for it, but under his guidance. There's a pause in it.
(04:30):
But I would have to tell you, man, every not
every guy, most guys, I know, we have a self
destruct button. I've been through it myself, and I like, again,
who am I to cast stones when I'm a starting
point guard Notre dame. You know, I didn't come from
(04:53):
a rich background, but I definitely wasn't, you know, rubbing
two pennies together, And yet I I took other people's
credit cards from their dorms and used it. Again, it
does pale in comparison, but it's still the idea of
you didn't need it, you had to know the ramifications,
and you end up having to leave one of the
most prestigious universities in the world. Right, that's that self
(05:18):
destruct button. I've hit it before. And oh yeah, by
the way, I'm going to tell you I've been divorced before.
I just I can't imagine being Sharon More today. And dude,
I get it. Like there's all kinds of ratification we're
going to talk about throughout the show. Right, who's the
next head coach? You know, freshman quarterbacks already in the portal.
Everyone in that program is going to lose their job.
(05:39):
That's how it works. Strength coach people that have nothing
to do with anything. They did nothing wrong. All they
did was work every single day. That's the deal about
being a head coach. In order to hire assistance. They
have to believe in you as a person as a coach,
believe in the program, believe in the place they're all in,
and their key cards don't work any more like a
(06:01):
cellar house. They gotta move, the kids, gotta find new schools,
all because of his series of terrible decisions. Yeah, I'm
not saying I'm okay with any of them. All of
them are bad, all of them are dumb. But I
do find it really, really, really really interesting how many
people choose to you know, like, look, you come up
(06:24):
with the Coldplay meme. That's funny, But I woke up
going man Oh, I got some empathy for that guy.
I just do because he lost everything yesterday. Now do
(06:45):
people say it's over and never be blah blah blah blah.
By Petrino obviously is the guy who can go Hey,
by Patrino, same exact thing, only more spectacular way of
going out into blaze of the glory. Now by Petrino
had one previously, you know at Louisville been the NFL,
but Barb Petridia has done a lot. By Petrino, by
the way, was head coach at Louisville a second time around.
Bobby Patrino was the interim coach at Arkansas a second
(07:07):
time around after he got fired for the exact same thing.
So it it does. It feels at this moment he
lost and cost everybody everything everything. But there's a lot
(07:28):
of dudes that do a lot of bad stuff because
of bad decisions. You're like, I would never do that. No,
you might not. Hopefully you do not cheat on your
on your spouse. You have a drink and drive. Ohow no,
two beers, three beers. Okay, you're drinking drive, You're getting
behind a loaded weapon and you're taking everyone else's life
in your own hands with no real control over it,
(07:49):
and the likelihood of and you could kill people. That's sorry,
worse than losing your job, moving your family. There's lots
of things that got do that are dumb. We are
a we are the dumber part of the species. Like no,
I would never bowl that. I guarantee you know. We
(08:09):
all have that that trigger. Some some operate where they
brush up against it more often. Some are smart and
calm and go like I know that name, I know
that button, that napalm, butmant button, I'm not hitting it.
And for all of those people, I commend you. I
got to tell you that I am a work in progress.
(08:30):
I just am. I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Hell.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Last week I I use my Jedi strength to push
a stool when I didn't think anybody's looking and got
clipped on camera. Nobody's around. I got made to be
Bob freakin' Knight. By the way, if I can win
as many games Bob Knight, it'll be a good it'll
be a good run. Point is that I understand guys
do stupid stuff. This is a series of really stupid decisions.
(08:58):
Why are you hiring a woman and why are you
sleeping with the woman out of wedlock, and why are
you doing it with somebody who works for you? And
you work for the University of Michigan and dude, don't
and have friends that go like, hey man, I know
that you're I've seen how you guys look at each other, like, dude,
we're all going to get fired. And you know we
(09:20):
could go through the there's only three undefeated teams, right,
seventy two Dolphins, father time, and you know the other one.
If you don't ask a friend, they'll tell you. I'm
not saying it's okay in any way. I realize that
what's what's the word, Jay stew that you used the
downstream effect great way, the downstream effect, not realizing how
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it affects everybody else. You just natepalmed the winningest college
football program of all time. Wow, but he who's without
sin can cast the first stone. I ain't doing it.
I ain't doing it. It's dumb, it's bad, it sucks.
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But he's not the first and won't be the last.
And the conversation you got it you'll have with your
buddies is like, dude, if you ever see me ever,
make guys, it's somebody at work stop me, tackle me,
don't do it, and also should be the damn. We'll
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take a lot of people's opinions on it, and I
do value their opinions. And I know a lot of
people sit there and go, you're completely wrong. This guy
did something and he cost people their livelihood and he
ruined a great college wall program. I actually think you're right.
I'm not disputing that at all. I'm just saying we're
all human beings, and there's been plenty of dudes that
(10:54):
have stepped out of their marriage. There have been plenty
of dudes that have done plenty of dumb things. I
just I have some empathy for him today. I have
a lot of empathy for him today, mostly because again
I don't know if he can make amends with his wife.
I have no idea of the status of that relationship.
But I can tell you going through it is going
through divorce. It's worst worst. You know, there's no such
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thing as a good doors. Here's Adam Schefter, ESPN's NFL Insider,
talking about Sharon Moore's side of the story for what we.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Have in her yet is Charon Moore's side of this?
And he gets his say into this particular situation as well.
And I do know that he felt like people had
it in for him for an awful long time there
while he was at Michigan. He felt like there were
people who were out to get him. So all these
things can all be true. It's possible that, yes, Michigan
does have evidence that he had an inappropriate relationship with
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a staffer, and it could be that Charon Moore is
right that people had it in for him. But the
whole situation itself is just sad and tragic because now
we have a individual who had his professional life, his
personal life completely upended. We have a school with a
bunch of players who don't have a coach to turn
to right now, we have a school in search of
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a program a new coach to lead forth that program.
They are a whole host of things that have transpired
here that have led this to be a completely surreal,
wild situation that if you heard about it, you wouldn't
believe it because it almost seems made up.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
I actually I believe that sharroanmore feels like he had
people out to get him. He did, I'm sure at
people out again because he was in Jim Harbaugh and
they didn't do a national search, and he got the job,
and they lost, you know, most of their team to
the NFL. It was all loaded up for that one year,
you know, and Mintor goes to the Chargers with him
and they had to start over. And the only thing
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great that happened last year was they beat Ohio State,
right and then this year he gets a freshman quarterback
and game two of the season, they go into Oklahoma
and they get beat and they were they were better.
They were good, but not good enough. And when you
have two years in this competitive environment, people are not
to get you. But you can't give him a reason.
You just can't, can't do it, and he gave him
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an easy reason to get rid of him.
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and we have a lot of fun and we're gonna
go back to two thousand and eight. I'm gonna give
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credit to Dan Byer because he's the only professional in
this group, because we all want to mess around and
have fun about two thousand and He's like, you know,
this is too big a story, and he's right. Our
job is to cover what people are talking about we
can't start an hour of a radio show and be
a real sports radio show that talks about what people
are talking about without talking about this Sharun More story.
(14:55):
So we're not gonna do don't call it throw back Thursday,
not that we wouldn't have fun with it, not that
we can't pocket it and do it next week. So yesterday,
at about this time, maybe a little bit later, like
fifteen minutes, was when this story broke. We have we
are twenty four hours into it, and the irony to
it was Dan and I along with who is our
(15:18):
guest yesterday that Adam Kaplan who covers the National Football League.
We were talking about jobs and I was like, hey,
you know, maybe Sharon Moore in Michigan next year because
I knew the pressure. It's like, don't ever follow Harball.
It's gonna happen at Stanford. By the way he left,
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I don't ever far It's too It's really hard. I mean,
Caitlin de Bores in the college football Playoff, most people
believe that had they been left out of the College
Football Playoff, they get fired. And there are people saying
today that even though they're going to play against Oklahoma,
get a rematch against team that they massively out gained, kay,
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and they got to play on the road that he
may leave and take the Michigan job. Because you're following Saban.
It's like following Caliperry when you're in. Doesn't work for
anybody so hard because the guys are they're so good,
they have it so wired, they have all their people,
and then they leave and it's really really hard to
put back together again. That's not why he lost his job.
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He lost his job because messed rout with a woman
that not only was not his wife and he was married,
but he employed her. That's how they got And there's
no real defense for it. I mean, what what do
you like? The everybody's out to get me? And like again,
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we can all in our minds speculate as to the
did it just happen once and then she said something
to somebody and then it got back to her and
that's why he went on and for like, why are
you telling people? I don't know? It doesn't matter. All
it takes is once she works for you, Okay, she
can sue the entire university, you understand, and others can
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sue as well. Now for unfair hiring practices. That's what
he like. We all look at the infidelity and it's
I'm not in any way saying infidelity is a good thing.
I'm not. I'm saying the reason he got fired is
because it opens up university to a litany of legal issues,
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and universities almost always settle because if you go to court,
then it's got to be disclosure. Then everybody's text messages,
everybody's emails, everybody they know gets exposed. And there's always
something when you know, you open up the hood that
you don't like. That's what happened, you know, that's the
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reality of it. And if this is one of the
we thought the hiring cycle had kind of ended. But
I want you to stop and take a breath and
think about this. Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Auburn,
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Kentucky forgetting some Oklahoma State, Iowa, State, UCLA. We missing
any dan byer that have come up in so far
this year. I think that's plenty. Yeah, I think, I mean,
holy cow, holy cow. Like if you thought the transfer
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portal was something, we're talking about half of the biggest
programs in the Virginia Tech. Sorry, insane, what's happened in
this sport? Obviously this is a different story than those
other ones, but there's some similarities there. Crazy Dan, where
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are you on the story right now?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
So?
Speaker 5 (19:02):
Yeah, the reason that I wanted to talk about it
is also when you were talking with George Reister, it's
other schools have had scandals before. You brought up my
name as an Ohio State fan, and I know there's
no qualms about that whatsoever, But it feels like the
points that I think people are talking about and that
(19:23):
I'm curious about are being framed that this is coming
from a bias side. And when you're saying that Penn
State can't say anything, Michigan State every Yeah, everybody has
gone through it, but guess what, they're not going through
it right now. Like this is the topic that is
going on right now that we are talking about. So
it doesn't come from a bias. It comes from this
is the thing that people are talking about, and there
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are legitimate questions about why this happened. When this happened,
we're hearing other rumors about Sharon more and maybe reaching
out to other females, whether they be only fans models
or ig models like these are all things that are
starting to pop up. But there's also the point of
this is that why did this investigation conclude on December tenth?
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And why did this investigation which had been going on
for months that people close to the program had known about,
why did it happen then? And why wasn't anything done
at that time? And I think these are all questions
and I'm saying this because I don't have the answers
to them. I can guess, and I could be I
guess I could be Ohio State fan and said you
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just wanted to be at Ohio State. But that could
be an absolute reason they did it the week after
National Signing Day? Was that fair to the recruits? Like?
What are all these reasons? And all of these things
that are being brought up are legitimate aside from the
fact that he violated the university code. But as I
told you yesterday, the thing that wasn't different to me
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was this is what broke the straw that broke the
camel's back, him having in a fair with a staffer
after everything that has gone on within that program, that
this was the point where they said, we can't have
Sharon Moore anymore. He still hasn't completed as full suspension
from his role in the counter Stallion's situation, like there
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were still more games that he needed to serve via suspension.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, but this doesn't. That doesn't that answer itself though,
And again the first thing is I understand what you're saying.
I'll get into the the and I apologize to you.
If you thought the fan thing was casting dispersions on
your opinion, it was not. I'll get to I'll explain
in one second. The first thing is you did you
basically laid it out yourself for as why there can
be no tolerance for it. You're still haven't served all
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your game suspension and you have this like come on,
what are we doing here? Second thing is it's one
thing to be to have infidelity. It's a whole other
thing when she works for you. It's not she works
at the university. She works for you. Okay, that is lawsuit, lawsuit,
lowsuit everybody who applied for that job. Because it's a
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state institution. In order to hire somebody, okay, they have
to go through all these layers of hiring, or you
have to do an emergency high where you're like hey,
and that that's when the president has to get involved,
the ad has to get involved in you do an
emergency hire, so anybody who applied for that job that
doesn't get it can now sue Michigan for unfair hiring
practices because you hired somebody because they think she was
(22:23):
stooping the head coach. That's the real again, that's the
reality of what happens in these situations. Okay, it is
a is a Title nine violation. It is a's HR
violation as well as a violation of your contract and
your and the university Code, et cetera. But more than anything,
if you do something where your school can get sued
for it, you're going to get fired. And then you
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factor in, as you said, still hadn't served all the
suspension for the previous scandals, which has nothing to do
with this, But it's the we we can't. But I
don't I don't think it got to that level. I
don't think it had any thing to do with any
of that other stuff. I do think they wanted him
gone because they weren't winning, like Ohio State was winning,
and I think it made it really really easy for him.
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And it's really really dumb.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I agree with that, and that's why I say, if
there wasn't something happening in October, considering the damage, and
I actually think that the culture that Sharon Moore was
living in in ann Arbor, within that program, within that
university allowed him to think that he was superman. I mean,
he got away with everything he did, and so like
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that's why I also think that some of the blame
then comes on Michigan and falls on them for how
this all transpired. And I think that there could be
blame if they knew about this for months in advance
and knew that something was going on.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's a great question, but I don't Again, I don't
know the Mike. Again, this is just a guess. Okay,
the guess is, yeah, they probably probably didn't know a
while back, right, there's no more secrets, only actually had
to be revealed. They probably knew. And yeah, again it
is curious that that they didn't have the findings, but
you also have to have a thorough investigation. You just do.
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And had they come to the conclusion in the middle
of the season, you nap palm the year nap palm. Now,
I don't know legal ease, and I obviously they have
to protect themselves. Like when you have these things going on,
all the lawyers get involved, and you're like, you know,
so if they did it so that it was done
after the season had concluded, they did it under the
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guidance of university attorneys. Again, we're acting like we know,
we're not. I'm not an attorney. I don't know. But
something of this magnitude is never done without the most
important people signing off on the most important people is
the attorney, right, because Michigan has a massive endowment and
all of that can be had with lawsuits. Right, it's
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what's hindered Michigan State with the the trainer they had
USC had these issues as well. Okay, so you're well,
you're you're not wrong, Like when do they know about this?
And that's also how people get fired. When did you
know and what did you do about it? And did
you pass it up the chain of command? If you
didn't tell you're superior, then you're gonna get fired today.
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And if your superior got this information and didn't pass
it up to their superior, they're gonna get fired today.
That's how That's how these things work, and that's why
I started the show going. I actually understand all these
people are going to be gone. Everybody right, And it's
crazy because, as you and I know, Michigan's basketball team
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is unbelievable. They're being they're smacking everybody by forty. Nobody
cares right now. All they care about is football, and
this is a massive stain on an incredible university. But
yet you're listen, we're all right to speculate. My issue
on the or my thought on the talk of being
a fan is I do think that our fandom gets
in the that's where the well, you know, they were
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able to get away with violations with the Connor Stallions thing,
and I'm like, dude, I just don't see a correlation
at all. I just don't. I know.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Do you agree that Michigan was not forthcoming with the
NCAA throughout the investigation.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I do, but I have no I also hold on, hold,
let me finish my finish. But again that comes from
Oklahoma State basketball. Totally forthcoming, got penalized anyway, and everybody
tells you, like, you know, it used to be following
the sword. Tell them everything and you'll get you know,
and they'll lessen the punishment, and that doesn't happen. So
nowybody's like, don't say nothing, but nobody about nothing. Period's
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top again and I but again, I just don't think.
I could be wrong and I could be naive on
this one, but I don't think because you because I
don't think they got away with anything with the Connor
Stallions thing. I just don't. I don't think. I don't
think it was a massive deal. We all do things
in scouting and trying to know somebody's play casts.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
That's not the point we're starting to move away. The
point is is if Michigan did cover up or was
not forthcoming to the NC Double A, then why would
we expect them to be forthcoming about their head football
coach in the middle of a football season that you
just said five minutes ago that they didn't want to
tank the season because they had a four million dollar quarterback.
(27:22):
However much Bryce Underwood was making, they only had a
loss to Oklahoma on their schedule. There were still bigger
fish to fry. And that's the question about what about
the timing of all of this, like the Sharon More stuff,
is I think it's blatantly obvious if you're having an
affair with your staff, or whether you're married or not,
whether we have kids or not, can't happen. You're one
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hundred percent correct. But how much did Michigan know? Because
that's the point of everything that happened in the Harbaugh
era and the counter stallions thing, and even before that,
what did Michigan know and did they cooperate? Did they
think they could get away with it again? And then
when it was convenient for them to get of a
head coach that Boosters and other people were souring on,
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they then acted on the opportunity. That's what every Ohio
State fan, Michigan State fan, every college football fan, every
sports fan wants to know and probably has a right
to know, whether they're a fan of those teams or not.
And that's what we don't know right now. And that's
why I think this is such a huge story, and
as big as it.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Is, when do they know, who do they tell, what
do they do about it? It's it's where the cover
up becomes bigger than the crime. I get it. I'm
still dealing with the crime, and I think the allegations
of a cover up we'll see. My guess is again,
this is a guess I don't know, I have zero facts.
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I've had zero time to call people and dig in.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I just have.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
My personal guess is they probably did find out about
it sometime in the middle of the season, and they
probably went to the lawyers and like, hey, what do
we do, Like you got to have a complete investigation
and it and I'm sure they probably said, like, let's
have it for after the gay after the season is done.
But I don't know. I don't know if there's a
university policy that has a uniformity with the timeline of
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investigation forty five thirty days, forty five days, sixty days,
six months, I don't know, but I do believe that
if there was an investigation, which there was, Okay, that's
what we were told, right, if there was an investigation,
all of these things Again, part of it, part of
the good thing in your desire to get answers, is
you will because it's at a state institution, it's at
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a state institution, it was a private school, then go
none of your business, none of your business. And it
is It's also interesting that you know, Pat Fitzgerald just
got a job at Michigan State, right he was he
was fired because of allegations of mistreatment of players. Okay,
they did an investigation. We didn't find out about any
of those findings to it till he took him to
court and then he you know, there was there were
(29:56):
stories about it, but he took him to court and
was exonerated and I was back as head coaching in
the Big Ten. I don't think Sharon Moore is going
to be exonerated, but I do think we'll find out
all of those details that you want to know. I
don't think you can cover it up when there's a
university led investigation in the state institution, especially one like Michigan.
That's that's that's an educated guess, but again I want
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to make sure that's clear. It's a guess you will have.
You will know when they knew, and you will will
probably have to assume some things, but you will know
who knew and what they did about it, and if
they didn't do enough, or if they didn't pass up
a chain of command, or they didn't alert others to it,
or if they made it so, hey, let's make the investment.
(30:38):
If there's an email that says, hey, let's make sure
this investigation comes to a conclusion after football sceness that
is over, that person will be fired. That includes ward manual,
that includes the president of the university, that includes anybody.
That's that's how it works. They all lose their jobs
if they didn't do the job properly.
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I'm not officially engaged. My son is yep.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, uh, Sammy, I don't know your relationships now. I
have a girlfriend, Okay, I have a girlfriend. I am
I have a girlfriend. I am, but I'm also divorced.
So again, we all come out from different perspectives, different perspectives.
My perspective look coaching a college team, I mean obviously,
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like there's a million decisions you can make, and I
have no doubt that he had the sense people are
out to get him, and you feel like everybody's looking
what you do when you just have to kind of focus,
calm the noise, coach the team get better. But dude, like,
what do we do? What are you doing here? It's
just dumb. But again, I woke up today thinking, God,
(32:24):
I feel bad for that card. I feel bad for
everybody involved. Right, the young woman, she made a terrible decision.
She ruined a family. Whether the family stays together, because
you can sometimes mend these things, I don't know. But
I'm just trying to be a human being here, not
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be you know your classic sports and but you know
sports sports, yacker, and do what everybody else does, which
is take a pound of flesh. Why you don't have
to take a pound of flesh. Dude, it's already done.
Guardy lost his job. I canna lose his marriage. I
cost all of his best friends. You only hire people
that you respect, like frankly love. Those are the people
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that you you got to go to war with when
you're going to be a college coach because it's really
really hard cost all those people's job. So I actually
woke up with empathy sympathy as well. Dann Bayer, your.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Thoughts If on a scale one to ten, you had
a ten for empathy for Sharon Moore, I have a
negative a million. I just I don't have I don't
have any empathy at least not now that may change,
but just know, empathy whatsoever for Sharon Moore at this time.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, any other thoughts that you have that you want
to share on the actual situation.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Well, yeah, I mean, I just I just I don't
like there's it's a separate situation when we look at
what happened. So Sharon Moore ends up having this this breakdown.
It feels like from the reports that we've heard after
he found out that he was being fired, was that
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this was going down, and so it's I think we
have to separate the two in how we like look
at the situation. But now the more that we're hearing
about possibly people knowing about this four months for this
investigation to go on and wrap up at this time.
I think that there are so many questions about Michigan,
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Michigan's role, why it happened when it did, and I
think that those are the questions that I'm curious about.
I know that there apparently was another woman involved in
some affair. I still put the onus on more shoulders.
He had so much to lose, as you've pointed out,
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Apparently she now may have been the alleged victim where
he was arrested or I shouldn't say detained, I should
say so.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I just think that there's like this is just an
ugly situation. But I also think that Michigan is to
blame with part of it. Prior to this outburst because
of what was allowed and what wasn't allowed. And Sharon
Moore got away with a lot of stuff at Michigan,
so he probably thought he could get away with this,
and then when he didn't, when they decided to put
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their foot down for whatever reason they felt that they
needed to, whether it be alumni wanted to get rid
of them, whether it be they didn't he couldn't beat
Ohio State two weeks ago, whatever the reason, is Michigan
isn't innocent in all of this, and so I think
those are the that's the point that I look at
whether I feel awful for his family, I feel awful
(35:36):
for his kids. It's going to stink for the people
that didn't know what was going on. But within the
Michigan football program, there are a lot of people who
knew what was going on with a lot of different things,
and they never did anything about it until now when
it was convenient. And now look at where you are
case two.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
I mean, I'm not even sure where to start, but
just in general, my blanket opinion on this, and I've
got George right here, that life comes down to a
series of choices. We all have the agency to make
decisions and choose things. If you're saying that the program
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had it end for him, as Adam Schefter said, or
if you're saying that you have a lot of empathy
for the guy you are, you seem to be taken
away from his responsibility and the choices that he made.
And at this juncture, twenty four hours after the news broke,
I'm not willing to give him that latitude. This all
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seems to go back to a decision or a series
of decisions that he made. It's all his fault.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Oh they listen, I'm not abssolving him. Done to him.
I'm not absolving him. I'm not saying anything's done to him.
He did this himself, zero question about it. Did it himself. Okay,
that's the worst part about it. It's the it's the plexico.
Buris right. It's one thing to get shot in a club.
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It's another thing to shoot yourself in the club and
then go to jail for shooting yourself. You're like, oh,
my right, And that's the worst part. My point is men, generally,
it's a general statement, but it is proven based upon
every statistical analysis ever ever, ever, make more dumb decisions
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than women. Do They just do? Like, that's why our
insurance rates are higher. Duh, because we make bad decisions
when we're driving. And more men are incarcerated than women incarcerated.
Why because we make more bad decisions than women. And
I just again, I'm not absolving it from I get it. Dude,
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Like bro lost everything and cost his best friends their job,
and he was the head coach at the winningest college
football program of all time. That's all gone and I'm
not blaming anybody else. I'm saying I understand the propensity
to make bad decisions or make a bad decision that
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can cost you, and then when you wake up the
next morning, it's and then and then I actually understand
uniquely the weight of media social media from my position.
Now again, I'm saying last week, I pushed it. I
got mad, pushed the stool by the way, because we
lost the game. I lost my cool. Wasn't smart, not
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the end of the world. There's nobody around. I don't
think anybody saw. I wasn't happy with myself. I just
I was just so and I had kept my cool,
shook hands with Andy Toole and the entire staff and
every player on the Robin Morris team, and there was
nothing that I got the arah, and I just felt
the weight of the world because everybody made this gigantic
deal like I'm Bob Knight throwing a chair out in
the middle of a crowd. So I understand that uniquely.
(39:00):
I understand bad decisions that lead to all the ramifications downstream.
As you said, Jason, but I mean there is a
point of it where you look around and go like damn,
feel bad for that dude. George Reister joins us now
on the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
He played college ball at Oregon. Of course, he's a
(39:21):
former NFL tight end. And if you haven't checked out
The Unafraid Show with George Reister, you should. It's podcast
you can download from our iHeart Podcast network. George, what
was your immediate reaction when you heard the story We
heard the news break yesterday.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Well, it was kind of twofold because the first thing
that I heard was that he was getting fired, and
I was like, oh my god, they got sick of him.
And then I thought why about two minutes later and
I was like, oh no, well that will get you fired.
It was just and then I started Then my emotions
(39:56):
started ranging because it was it's sad, dude. It's sad
for his family. It's sad for all the kids that
committed to play for him. It's sad for the recruits,
for the the fan base, the disappointment, it's like there
there there are no winners here, and and he and
(40:16):
he made some very poor choices, and yes, he's the
only one to blame. But but at the same time,
as a person, you know who is who is imperfect,
I think, and none of us are. I think it's
easy to, you know, judge and say, how could you
make that colossal of a decision when the reality of
(40:39):
life is is that when you make bad choices, sometimes
the consequences are severe.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
They are It is interesting like read the holiday season
and everyone talks about Jesus and you're like, well, you
know Jesus was forgiving and understanding. You know, it was like,
but but people can be so cruel when again, I'm
not saying that he deserves to keep his job. I'm
not saying that he shouldn't feel the weight of what's happened.
I'm saying he already does. You like the old Hey,
(41:06):
let's go off the top rope and a dude is
clearly down for the count? Uh? Is the is the
piloting on and people taking great joy in it because
of their collegial ties, Like, dude, if you want to
do dig in Ohio State's got plenty of creepos that
that were that have been coaches there. Okay, one was
caught on on camera when he was the head coach
(41:27):
in the NFL. You go to Michigan State, you can
go to all of them, all the Big ten, how
you go to school by school by school, they all
got an issue. Okay, let's let's let's not do it.
We can do the whole radio show and I could
go through each one each and everyone. Yes, Dan Byron,
I'm talking about Ohio State. They don't employ angels that
have worked or played in Ohio State. Don't act like
they do.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
But okay, but but I think that people. You know,
it's easy to get your jokes off, but when you
look at this could have turned dead. Leave for himself
or for the young lady involved in it too. That's
the that's when you realize, oh, oh hold on, let's
(42:07):
let's stop. Let's stop with these jokes, jokes and playing around.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Okay, now we got to talk about the sports aspect
of it. What do you do to hires? Who do
you hire?
Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh? See here here, here's what a tough part is,
because they have to hire somebody quickly, because because because
because you can.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Lose your team, every kid that signed there is going
to be gone to because they can all get in
the portal. They can all get the portal anyway. So
but but yeah, you got to you gotta get ahead
of it.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
I'm probably trying. And I know that Michigan fans they
they want to win the press conference. They they want
to have a Matt Campbell moment, but unfortunately Matt Campbell
is not available now. And you've had Clark Lee uh
over there at Vanderbilt, Jeff Brahm at Louisville, h Brent
Key at Georgia Tech. All of these guys have announced
(43:01):
extensions to Kalani Tataki, Brett Rhtt lastly down at SMU.
So you're going to be at a point where maybe
you can poach a Jed Fish from from Washington or
May who's coached there previously, or maybe you can get
a guy like Kate Caitlin de boor if he's willing
to leave at Alabama, because they're not just going to
(43:24):
be trying to find a good head coach. Michigan wants
to win the press conference.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh no, they got it. Whoever it is gotta be
squeaky clean, right, You can't come in after after Harbaugh.
Harbaugh gets a show cause and Sharon Moore gets fired
two years later, and you got you gotta go squeaky clean.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Everybody gotta go like like if you were any way
tied to this, tied to the Connor Sallions thing or
or or anything. You gotta go.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
Asap h I mean de boor to Michigan. And people
are like Lane Kifvin will then go to Alabama, I
don't know, I don't, I don't. I don't see that one.
That would be, that would be that'll be an all timers,
an all time Kiffin move. What do you think of
Kiffin at L s U.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
I first of first of all, I think that LSU
hired the wrong guy. They they they should have gone
an hour and a half, hired John somemerall who's sitting
in Baton ro or who's yeah, who's who's that? Tu
Lane in New Orleans an hour and a half away.
He knows what at Tuffe is, He knows the difference
(44:32):
between Gumbo and Jambalaya, he knows how to relate to
those kids, and so he could have done well and
recruited there. But you got ls L s U. They
wanted that Lane Kiffin so bad because they wanted be
a name. And the reality is, yes, Lane Kiffin has
been a good head coach, and he's been good for
a while, but he's only won one conference championship in
(44:54):
in his history, and that was at at FAU and
he blows up everything every where where he goes. So
I'm not sure that if you're at LSU, I don't
know why you chase down somebody this hard, like like
he's Nick Saban or you know, or Kirby Smart.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Last thing, your biggest issue with the College Fotball Playoff committee.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Is what, oh what they what they did with Notre Dame.
But but not the fact that they left Notre Dame out,
It's more how they did it. So how the hell
are you going to have Notre Dame in front of
Miami for the on the Tuesday prior to the final
rankings and the Tuesday prior when they were in the
(45:39):
same spot, and not move them and switched them. The
problem is is that you as you set a precedent
by not switching them on the Tuesday prior or the
or the Tuesday prior to that, and then you switched
them at the last minute after Alabama gets their doors
knocked knocked off, when in reality Notre Dame and Miami
(46:00):
both should have been in the playoffs. I would have
punted the one hundred and third rushing offense in the
country in Alabama to the to the sun out of
sent them over to the Pop Start Bowl.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I wouldn't punted in Alabama, but hey, that's that you're
you're you're allowed to. They had good wins, man better
wins than those other ones. But it's it's gonna be fascinating, George,
great stuff. I encourage people to check out download this podcast,
The Unafraid Show with George Reischer. This's podcast Nightheartmedia. Of
course you can hear on weekends here on Fox Sports Radio. George,
we really appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Ye are they.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
We'll just say manure okay, We'll say manure okay, because
manure is usually made by one cattle, and we'll say
this is bull manure. Right. You know what I'm I'm
I'm the the the word that I'm expressing here. Okay.
So you've heard this and I think you've talked about
(46:54):
it a little bit. Dan, there you go. I saw
this from Dan Wolken of Yahoo Sports, and I'm I'm
not saying that Dan's report is wrong. What I'm saying
is here, let me let me show you uh from
Yahoo Sports. After learning of Notre Dame's memorandum of understanding
(47:14):
that grants the Irish preferential playoff access starting next year.
Athletic directors and other leagues are threatening to freeze Notre
Dame out of future schedules, per Dan Wolken, threatening the
number one job of athletic directors is what damnire? Why
(47:38):
don't you just answer it, Doug, just tell us raise money?
There it is, raise money. So Notre Dame calls and uh,
let's pick a university in who's supposedly threatening to not
play them, right, USC, Let's do the USC thing like, oh,
this is the reason USC doesn't want to play them.
Do you want to fill your stadium? Do you want
(48:00):
to fill your hotel rooms? Do you want to be
on national TV and have one of the highest rated
games of the year. You don't? Okay, well you no
one plays. I call manure bowl manure. The idea, the
threatening to is just such a gray area. It's such
a gray area. If you're gonna if Notre Dame wants
(48:21):
to play you, if it works for your coaches to
have your coach is like, yeah, we'll play them. You're
gonna do it because you can make a crap ton
of money and you're gonna be on national TV. If
you're not gonna do it, they'll find somebody who will.
That's the reality of it. It just it's like, oh,
now now that they have a signed memorandum of understanding,
(48:43):
they're going to be in the College Wall Playoff if
they finished in the top twelve. Nothing of your decision
is gonna change that. You're unhappy with it, that's on you.
Your job as an ad again. Now, part of it
is if schools don't want to play Notre Dame, it's
because they don't want to go through what Texas did.
Why would it that game when it doesn't help me?
It only hurts me if I lose it, I'll play
(49:04):
Indiana schedule, don't play anybody. Win enough conference games, get
to the com That's what's gonna happen. That's what the
committee did. That's committee told everybody to do. They told
all those SEC teams stop, stop playing good teams, stop
it big ten two, and all these coaches sitting there
going like the only way to keep your job, keep
making money, is to get to the College Wall Playoff?
(49:26):
Am I more or less likely to make the College
Wall Playoff if I play one of the elite teams,
and the answer is less right less. You have a
less than fifty percent chance of winning on the road
and even at home. Man, you gotta be really good
and if you win, it great. I call manure.
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