June 14, 2022 • 46 mins
On the Tuesday edition of The Best Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug predicted back when the Warriors traded for Andrew Wiggins in February of 2020 that he would fit in great and the Warriors would be back competing for a title soon. That has come true and Doug shares why he thought that then and what he thinks of Wiggins now in his role with the Warriors.
The Braves winning streak makes the "That's Baseball!" segment. Current NBA Analyst and former NBA champion Antonio Daniels joins Doug to break down game five, to talk about the impact of Andrew Wiggins, and to preview game six.
Doug makes that point that Steph Curry's off-night shooting may have been a storyline coming out of game 5 of the NBA playoffs, but what is not covered enough is the how impactful he was because of how he was defended and getting others involved.
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got some stuff curty to talk about. As he throws
up a donut sub leave numbers shooting the basketball last night.
That's not good, but the Dubs did get the dub Also,
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I have a way of looking at the Brittney Grinder story.
You like Britney Grinder, remember her Britney Grinder's story that
I think will intrigue you. Antonio Daniels is gonna join us. Uh,
just enough baseball to whet the appetite, and of course
maybe the hockey a as uh Stanley Cup Finals. I
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have no idea when they even start. We'll get to that. Okay, No,
no game last night, so I miss nothing. I missed nothing.
By the way, John takes to Twitter and says, today
you got Doug gotlib talking about the two thousand three
Lakers during the NBA Finals, making fun of hockey, ignoring
baseball and other sports. It's supposed to be sports radio. Actually, uh,
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there's a lot of truth to that. But now we
will be talking about the Lakers. Maybe we will. I
don't know. I want to talk about the Warriors last night.
The Celtics last night. UM, weird game, but they're all
kind of weird, right, And again the final score not
really indicative of the game. The Celtics were awful in
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the first quarter, sixteen points and some of those were gifts,
could not make a shot, missed their first eleven threes,
then got hot in the second quarter. Third quarter, usually
dominated by the Warriors, was instead dominated by the Celtics.
But a couple of key threes by Clay Thompson and
then a bank three at the buzzer from Jordan Pool
made it look a lot better than it actually was
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for the Warriors. But late in the game, of course,
it was Andrew Wiggins that came through. Now for all
the Wiggans slander, okay, Wellgan slander and look, I'm I'll
fully admit I have made mistakes in my thoughts on
NBA teams, NFL teams, positional use of guys. But uh,
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you know, for people who said no did like the
Andrew Wiggins acquisition. This was two years ago in February.
I went on the Herd with Colin Cowherd the day
after Andrew Wiggins was traded to the Warriors. Colin asked
me if I'd like to trade Here was my response, Yes, yes,
But I don't think it's just environment. Okay, remember he
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had a he had a reputation that preceded him when
he grew up in Canada, played at Kansas as being
a guy who he just played, not an alpha, right,
not a not a killer. Uh. And then that kind
of got re established and then remember now they add
Carl Town's um. They had Jimmy Butler that didn't work.
He's been through multiple head coaches, different front offices during
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his during his tenure, which is not a long tenure
in Minnesota. I think it has to do with environment.
Fit is a big thing, um and expectations. It's the
idea of they don't need an alpha, they don't need
a beta. I mean, like, look, the leadership and toughness
has already. The toughness is Draymond. The go to guy
is Steph defender, the defender and and and defensive leader
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as well as best shotmaker shooter you know in the
league is Clay Thompson. Like he can just play when
not carry the burden of being a franchise player, and
that fits who he is. It's something I learned when
I was playing in college is that not everybody's a leader.
And that's okay. Not everybody is at their best when
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they're the go to guy. Some guys are only at
their best when then they go to guy. Some guys
are at their best when I'm the last possible option.
Andrew Wiggins last night said this with Lisa Salters after
the game, Thank you, Andrew? Just what felt good to
you tonight? Attack in the rooms? I've all along on
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my mind, the fair addressers, Docksons, What message did you
want to stand with that? Tell wait the fourth quarters
are we're here? You know we're here, and you know
we're all where we want this. You know the team
I watched the Mom's gonna get you wanted back to
back double doubles for you for justice second time in
your career. Can you describe the flow that you seem
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to be in right now on both sides of the ball. Man,
I'm just trying to do the thing the wins. You know,
that's it. You know, whether I gotta score, rebounder fan,
you know anything. I'm asking You're on the park to
how man, I'm gonna do? Thursday will be the first
finals close out game of your career, your chance to
become the champion. Have you allowed yourself to think about that?
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What are you looking forward to the most? I'm excited,
you know, Im, It's I'm between your lifetime, um so,
I'm gonna work car Fords on team, work car for
um So, I'm excited. You know, I can't wait for
congratulations on the wed tonight. Like alright, here's stramon on
what Andrew Wiggins gives this team. He competes, he defends,
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uh and and he and he was telling Jimmy loved him,
and we don't know how Jimmy Butler is like, you
got any softness to you, Jimmy don't like you. That's
just how Jimmy is cutting. And he's continued to show
that he's continued to get better. He's taken on every
challenge that that we've thrown in front of him, and
it's huge, and we need him to do that for
one more win. Here's Steph Curry on everyone else playing
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better when he couldn't buy a bucket. The fact that
you know everybody stepped up wigs JP, you know, Clay
hit some big shots. Draymond found his his his life
and his spirit and the way he impacts the game.
We could withstand going on for forty as the team
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and meeting over nine and still come away with the win.
So obviously track record says, you know, I'll shoot the
ball better next game, and uh looking forward to that
bounce back. Yeah, I mean, Steph, it almost is like
he felt like they didn't win, even though they won.
But but here's the here's the important part. Okay, this
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is a really important part. We go back historically and
we rank guys and it's dumb. You know, it's dumb.
I don't know how you rank. You know, Steph Curry
versus A Chemalize you on. You know, they're completely different players,
different era, different position, different types of impact. I don't know.
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But but the takeaway is really simple, is that for
the most part, your second, third, fourth, fifth guys are
each going to have to on some level play above
their normal level or perform above their normal level. Because
any team that wants you get into a series, you
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try and take away what the best player does best.
You know, if you go back to a lot of
those Lebron James NBA finals, Lebron James scoring numbers, even
in the playoffs were exorbitant. They were just huge scoring numbers.
Why is that? Because most people believed that the best
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thing Lebrun does is create for others, right, and by
making him score the first half and early in the
second half, you tire him out for the fourth quarter.
That that was the genuine thinking. And you look at
his numbers usually spiked in terms of scoring in the
playoffs as opposed to assist which were down, not because
he didn't want to pass, but because that's the defense determined.
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But the other part two it is you're just not
gonna win it by yourself. You know, no one's ever
won a title. Just hey, give me the ball, get
out of the way, I'm gonna win it. Steve Kerr
has designed a an offense and a defensive scheme that
of course best suits Steph Curry and Clay Thompson, but
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also gives others opportunities to thrive playing off of all
that they're doing. And that's what Andrew Wiggins does. It
really is a team sport, and your seeing that team
sport playout. When Draymond was a mess, the team was
a mess. As he's played a little bit better, the
team's played a little bit better. Clay Thompson wasn't great
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last night, but he had two big third quarter threes
and they're falling out of the game. That that saved him.
You know. Steph Curry, he took a lot of he
took some contested shots. He had two threes in a
row blocked. He was a mess, but a lot of
it was how they were guarding him, face guarding him,
trapping him, making somebody else beat him. Even with all that,
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Steph made a couple of huge stops defensively, a couple
of big assists, made a floater, made another pull up,
and did just enough to help his team. That's that's
what the sport is about. The sport is about how
what we're seeing play out right. I mean, look, this
is no Everyone talks about Andrea Goodala winning the m
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v P, you know, going back five years ago or
six years ago, and the reason he had thirty in
the final game, game six was that was the idea,
make somebody else, make the fifth best offensive player beat us.
And that's what Andrea Gudala does. That's on some level
what the Celtics watted last night. Make Wiggins beat you,
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hopefully with jump shots. Instead he got drives and easy finishes.
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Andrew Wiggins is a well established reputation of not being
an alpha like, sometimes disappearing, but incredibly incredibly talent, a bright,
sophisticated guy who just was to be kind of a
part of something. There has never been a better example
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of finding the right fit in order for your talents
to come out than Andrew Wiggins in this year's NBA Finals.
Fit is everything, and it allows the burden of That's
why the Draymond thing works, right, Nobody hates him. Everybody
hates Draymond. All the attention offensively is on Steph If not,
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it's on Clay and then maybe maybe Wiggins or Jordan Pool. Right,
that's how it works. You take all of those pressures
off him and you just allow him to play and
his natural god given strength, agility, basketball skill, it all
comes out. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. Antonio Daniels are Jonas in five minutes, the
former pro of course, covers the game. He's the voice
of the New Orleans Pelicans. Get to him upcoming. But first,
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how about America's pastime? That's baseball. The Brave, the defending
champion Braves are on a thirteen game win streak. They
would pass the two eighteen cheating Astros for the longest
win streak by defending World Series champion. The Braves did
get some bad news as they're All star second baseman
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broke his foot in the game last night. Um, but
how do you explain a team losing Freddie Freeman in
free agency, then going on a twelve game winning streak
and being right in the analyst race. That's baseball. I
hope Ozzy I'll be comes back very very soon. Um.
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In the White Soxe and the White Sox feel like
an abject disaster. Right, there's larusa decision and without he's fired. Well.
The White Sox game against the Tigers Socks all star
starter Lance Lynn made his season debut. During the game,
camera's caught Lynn and Socks third base coach Joe mcgowing
in a heated exchange. Lynn was asked about the exchange
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after the game, and he said, coach kept telling me
that the filet is better than the ribby. I'm more
of a ribby and potatoes guy, How do you explain
a player getting a shouting match and the dougod about
what cut of meat? What kind of steak is better baseball?
And um, stop me if you've heard this before, but
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Steven Strasburg is on the I l with armed discomfort.
After making his season debut on Friday. Strasbourg allowed seven runs,
eight hits, four innings. Remember, after the two thousand nineteen season,
he signed a two million dollar contracts seven year deal.
He had not pitched in a game since June one
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of last year. How do you explain a guys number
one overall pick gonna change baseball signing a massive deal
after winning a World Series and barely pitching making thirty
five million guaranteed, that, my friends, is baseball. Antonio Daniels
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a tremendous player. He's a world champion and an outstanding analysts.
He joins us in the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio, part of that Spurs title team in he's
the voice of the New Orleans Pelicans to Game five.
If you were to describe to somebody who didn't watch
a second, how would you describe it? Oh? Man, I
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guess it's a way you can describe it. UM. I
guess for the Golden State Warriors, what were the thought
that is Steph Curry troubles the way that he did,
as if you're at home or not, that you would
still come our victorious Um. And for for some reason,
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I don't know what it is about Jason Tatum and
the Boston Celtics in that fourth quarter. UM, it's just
not it's not clicking for them. And I I don't
want to chalk it up to oh, you know what,
lack of experience or the stage is too big or
I don't want to do that. Um. In these fourth quarters.
Jayson Tatum in particular, I saw a stat earlier that
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in every series his fourth quarter production has decreased. So
from Brooklyn, from Brooklyn to Milwaukee, from Milwaukee to Miami
and now Miami here the Golden State, his points per
game is a fourth quarter has gone down every series. UM.
And I don't know what it is about that fourth quarter.
I don't know if this is a learning curve that
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the Boston Celtics and Jayson Tatum have to go through.
But yesterday, Uh, I'll praise I'm gonna be honest. Steph
Curry has been the best player on the floor, Doug.
We all know this. Before the five games yesterday, Andrew
Wiggins was amazing. And I'll say to you what I
said on our show. The best decision that Andrew Wiggins
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made this year was not going to Kyrie Irving route.
As far as vaccination is concerned, it doesn't matter about
what you believe. You can believe in the vaccination, not
in the vaccination vaccination. What I'm saying is if Andrew
Wiggins does not get vaccinated the Golden State Warriors, there's
no way possible during the NBA Finals. What a decision
that he made. And it is reaping the He's rapping
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the fruits to that right now. That's like, great, that's
a great point. Um, I'm gonna play for you. This
is what I said. This is two years ago. The
day after the trade. I was with Colin Cowherd and
I told him I liked the trade and I said
it wasn't just because of the culture and Golden State.
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Take a listen, Yes, yes, but I don't think it's
just environment. Okay, Remember he had a he had a
reputation that preceded him when he grew up in Canada,
played at Kansas as being a guy who he just played,
not an alpha, right, not a not a killer. Uh.
And then that kind of got re established. And then
remember now they add Carl Town's um. They had Jimmy Butler,
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that didn't work. He's been through multiple head coaches, different
front offices during his during his tenure, which is not
a long tenure in Minnesota. I think it has to
do with environment. Fit is a big thing, UM and expectations.
It's the idea of they don't need an alpha, they
don't need a beta. I mean, like, look, the leadership
and toughness has already. The toughness is Draymond. The go
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to guy is Steph defender, the defender and and and
defensive leader as well as best shotmaker shooter you know
in the league is Clay Thompson. Like he can just play,
not carry the burden of being a franchise player and
that fits who he is. How much of that is accurate,
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It's very accurate. It's very accurate because it's it's about
Andrew Wiggins. See I'll tell you that for me, a
lot of it UM had to do with the UH,
with the culture um and Golden State, Like the thing
this is something I can relate to. Obviously, I'm not
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the player that Andrew Wiggins was, but I know what
it's like to step from a situation where it's not
a healthy situation into a championship culture. Because when I
got drafted by Vancouver and we won nineteen games, and
then I step into a situation and San Antonio with
Avery Johnson and Mario Elie and Steve Kerr and Terry
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Porter and Jerome Kersey and David Robinson and Sean Elliott,
where that championship culture was in place. So I know
what that transition is like. So I can relate to
that piece knowing the lack of um responsibility. And I
don't say that in a in a disrespectful manner to
Andrew Wiggins, because there's something that comes along with the
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being a number one overall pick, the stigma that comes
along with that. It's tough. It's tough along with the
guys that you are playing with. So the narratives have
followed Andrew Wiggins all the way around two. Now, oh,
he doesn't have a high motor um, he doesn't care
about winning. Yes, the scores, but it doesn't translate to winning.
All these different he's not a winner all these different things.
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And it's amazing to me, Doug, how when you step
into a championship culture and you win, how the perception
around you changes. And now the perception around Andrew Wiggins,
it's completely different than it was three hundred sixty five
days ago. And oh it took with chef been stepping
into a situation with a Steve Kerr, A A Play Thompson,
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a Steph Curry, a Draymond Green and andre Iguodala and
a Kevon Looney. Think of the way that Andrew Wiggins
is thought up right now because of the way that
he is warmed in this postseason. I felt like what
you said was accurate. He doesn't have the same standard
that he had in in Minnesota. Is a draftic difference
between the responsibility of a batman and the responsibility of
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Alfred And I'll say in this particular series, he's robbin though,
because he is Golden State's second best player behind Steph Curry.
Stug Otlieve show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM, I agree, Well,
he's a tremendous all around player, tremendous all of the player. Um.
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And I think also, you know he's getting cross match
sometimes with bigs or with littles, and it allows him
to to to read and react. And there's so much
face What what about Steph and how they guarded him?
Why don't more teams play that way where you just
face guard him the whole game and get make somebody
else speech you? Um? Because does all teams don't have
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five solid defensive players as their starters as Boston Celtics,
do you know what I mean? So that's like saying, um,
why doesn't everybody play like Golden State? Because rosters are
constructed to play like Golden State? You know. And when
you look at the Boston Celtics realistically speaking, when you
look at the five that they could start with, and
let's you know what, let's go six. So let's throw
Grant Williams in there too. So you go Marcus Smart
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defensive Player to the the Year, Jayson Tattum who has improved
incredibly defensively, Shamon Brown known as one of the better
two way players in the league. You have Al Horford
who's really good defensively, and Robert Williams who's really good defensively,
along with gret Williams. And when I say good defensively.
I'm not just talking about physically as far as what
they do. I'm talking about their knowledge, their understanding, and
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they're willing to take what they learned in the locker
room and translate that to the floor. Because you can
tell good defenders some things and some things are just
God given. Some things are just God given. Everybody doesn't
have it. Like you can teach a good player to shoot,
you know what I mean, you can teach that some
of the divisive instincts that the Boston Celtics have, God
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give it, you know. So I understand saying why don't
more teams to deny Steff Curry? Other teams don't have
rogers constructed to do that to Steff Curry like the
Boston Celtics do. Stug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I do think that one person that goes not, that
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goes lightly discussed is Steve Kerr, right like A. I mean, okay, So,
when when the Spurs won the title, you were part
of it. Obviously they had several of them. They had
the Big Three with you Noble and Tony Parker and
Tim Duncan. But Pop did, and Pop has generated and
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garnered a ton of respect. I don't feel like Steve
Kerr has gotten that. Why do you think that is?
Because people think it's a lot easier than it actually is.
The coach talent, you know, I mean like I'm in
barbershops all the time, and what I hear all the time,
Doug Man. If I have Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and
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Dennis Rodman, man if I had Seaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant.
Man If I had Tim and Manu and Tony, I
would have all them championships to man. If I had
Kevin Durant and Steph Curry and Clay Thompson, I would
have tampon. No, it's it's hard to coach talent. And
you notice when anytime you have these discussions, because what
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people do with fans is when the team plays well,
they praised the players, and when the team struggle, they
criticized the coach. But there's never anywhere in there where
you really praise the coach, you know what I mean?
And there are small things that Steve Kerr has done,
small adjustments that he's made that may be the difference
in this series. Taking Kevin Luney, I was starting five
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the mover as we Wiggess to force by maybe the
difference in this series going small, even though it's for
a small amount of time. What he has done is
he has what was once a disadvantage, he has used
it to his advantage and he has sped up the game.
He has sped up the game. It forced Boston into
multiple rotations that they didn't have with Kevan Luney out there.
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This is what we do. We credit the players for
certain things, and we rarely give the coach his or
her do that's a given, like oh Man, well, the
only reason they wanted is because Kevin Durant came. That's
why they won those two championships. Well, Steph Curry at
the time, he actually made the adjustment of putting andre
Igadala out there to card Lebron James. That's what helped
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them win that series. But it's never talked about because
people think coaching is a lot easier than what it
actually is. Doug, in my opinion, I agree, it's like
the Phils. It's like the old Phil Jackson argument. Like
you know, Jordan didn't win before Phil Jackson, Kobe didn't
frighten Kobe and Shack didn't win before or Phil Jackson,
and when they when Phil retired, they didn't win. When
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he came back, they were like, there's a reason that
some of some of these guys win and and and
some of it best guests. And I know, we don't know.
Ball goes in, doesn't go in. What happens game six? Man,
that that's a toughie. You know, this this series, Um,
it's not about momentum. That's a crazy thing because you
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you can talk about momentum being carried over from game
to game, and you know, you can see there's so
many different Evan flows where you think one thing and
then the complete opposite happens. So Game one, Boston goes
out and they stopped Golden State, and now you think
yourself like, okay, well maybe Boston just as a an
advantage over those days. The Golden State comes out in
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game two and they do what they do, you know
what I mean. And it's been up and down since.
The thing about the Boston Celtics that I respect is,
I know yesterday was the first time they had lost
back to back game since January. The thing I respect
about them, they say the true testament of a man
is is you can find out during times of adversity,
it's tested during times diversity. They have always responded to
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adverse situations well well, whether on the road or at home.
You know, you think of the games that they had
to win in these series, close out game they had
the big Game six in Milwaukee, closing out Miami in
Game seven, they have always responded to adversity well. On
the flip side, though, Clay Thompson has always played well
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in Game six is so something has to give here,
something has to give. And the only reason I'm saying this, Doug,
is because I picked before this series started. I picked
Golden State in six. So I'm saying in game six,
I'm saying Golden State will win in Game six in
Boston because before this series started and we had to
make our predictions, I predicted Golden State in six, and
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I have to hold to that awesome stuff. I would
I said Golden State in six. And one of the
reasons we saw it kind of Game four is there's
this flair for the dramatic that Steph has. Obviously we
think Games six, Clay, but the idea of those guys
who grew up in and around the game winning a
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championship on the parquet floor of the Boston Garden. And
I'll grant you it's not the old Larry Bird Boston Garden, right,
but there is something to that for them, right that
that's that's what I I think, Like Boston is tougher
than hell. It's gonna be a war. I think we'll
finally have a close game or maybe two. But that
was that was my thoughts, is that push comes to shove.
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It just feels like these story books are written for
a reason because sometimes they come true. And winning a
championship on the road in Boston Garden feels like a
very warrior story, you know the reason. And that's a
great point, Doug. I've never even thought about that, but
I'm sure they need the nostalgia um with guys who
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understand the history of the game, what it would mean
like if you had to go and say, if you
can win and close out an NBA Finals game at home,
where would you want to do with that? I'm sure
that Boston would be one of the top three. There's three, right,
There's there's three. Madison's here, Garden, Boston Garden or Staples, Right,
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those are the three, right, because of the history of
those places and the market size of those places. I
honestly picked Golden State in six because I didn't trust
Boston's ability to score like they have for four straight
games to be Golden State. I saw too many offensive
loans in the Eastern Conference Finals where they went four
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or five six minutes without scoring. So when it was
two to two at that time in the Eastern Conference Finals,
I said on our show, whoever comes up to East,
I'm picking Golden State, whether it's Miami or Boston. As
good as those teams are defensively, they have too many
offensive lows and you can't go four or five six
minutes without scoring against the Golden State Warriors without them
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making you pay for it. Excellent, Uh, enjoy game Game six.
We'll see if we have a Game seven. We'll talk soon.
Thanks so much for joining us, for sure, I appreciate you. Brother.
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here's here's a question to you. I mean, this is
an honest question. Uh, and and and first and please, guys,
don't feel bad if I'm not trying to call you out.
I do realize that because the game was on a Monday,
it did screw up some people's schedules. Right, Ramos, for example,
I don't know did you even watch it? Because you
have I know you have all that All Star Baseball.
I know I have. I have not. I think I
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watched a little bit of highlights of the games, but
I haven't actually sat down to watch the actual game
as it occurred. Buyer, did you get a chance to
watch good? Um, Chase, did you get a chance to
watch every minute? Ramos? Let me let me ask you,
how did you think Steph Curry played like? Based upon
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what everybody's saying and what little you've been able to
see in the highlights, give me your sense he's been
playing in last night's game or in the tournament in general.
The last night. I from what I've seen and what
I saw, it seemed like he didn't play very well
last night. I think he was like I think it's
a It was like, oh for nine from three point
range and he had like sixteen points something like that.
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It was very low. Okay, UM, let me ask you, buyer,
you watch the game, what did you see from Steph Curry?
UM an off night, especially considering what we saw from
him in game four, It's night is how I would
describe it. All right, what about you? Jay stwo what
he um? And and please use your own not the
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stuff that we talk about before this show. Yeah, what
is your perception of how he played? I think that
there were lots of struggles shooting the ball, but I
also had the takeaway that UM and just kind of
watching it, that he he drew so much attention that
it allowed others to thrive. Correct correct, and I you know,
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he could have been a decoy the whole game, and
everyone else could have gotten outside of baby Clay Thompson
could have gotten wide open shots. Um. Part of what
change was how they guarded him. Right, Let's just they
face guarded him from the moment he crossed mid court
just about every possession, and the only times they couldn't
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were when he was in transition. So they it was
basically like head of this what do you call ahead
of the snake defense? Like a anybody else can beat
us except Steph Kurt. Now, part of that is I
liked that he was still engaged, that he was still moving.
There were times in which he felt defeated or he
just kind of stood and allowed all that. He is
one guy to not pay attention to everybody else. And
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they basically played four on four when he would move
and come off a screen. Now was you know, four
on three and a half, because there was always a
guy or two guys on him. Um, I didn't think
he played particularly well on offense and defensively. I actually
thought he did a much better than a reputation or
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he has previously done job. I think that's that's that's
a real thought there. But how he looked and again
like this is coming off a magnificent game four, and
I I I accept all the heat for when he
came out, when he declared for the draft, I didn't
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think he was ready yet. You know, I thought he
was too slight. He he had only played the point
for a year in college and I wasn't totally convinced
that that was gonna work in the pros. And that's
what he projected as I projected him before the draft.
Has a Jeff hornesseec type, the guy who could handle,
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could pass, but not a guy who's your lead guard,
but a guy who you definitely would want on your team.
Obviously I'm massively under underestimated what he would do. But
also the game has changed, the officiant has continue to evolve.
Last night was how was my fear of how he
would look in an NBA game. That was my fear
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that because he was he's slight, he was even much
more slightly built the first half decade is in the NBA,
that he would look like a guy who's too small
and just rushing up to take long jump shots and
it wouldn't work out. Well, that was my fear. That's
what I felt like Now late in the game, he
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kind of figured out what they were doing when they
were doubling and made some great passes and reads. He
made a pull up and then he made a floater,
both I thought really helped him. He rushed all his
three point shots as quick as he normally shoots it,
he still rushed those, and um, I thought, I think
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Jason Stewart, you nailed it. Like for the most part
when he had the ball, he heard him as much
as he helped him. But his presence out on the
floor allowed other guys to do what they did right
Andrew Wiggins. One reason he was so expected was the
guys who were matching up with him were Robert Williams
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or Al Horford. You know, you have centers matching up
with him thirty ft from the basket, So of course
he's gonna try and drive by him and shoot those
quick runners in the lane. You know, I not Steph.
He had a during the third quarter. He was exceptionally frustrated.
It looked like he was frustrated, but he figured it out,
and they figured out and they made enough shots and
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they they they won the game. Buy or is that
I understand what your initial perception was. Am I fair?
And my my thoughts on my commentary? I honestly, I
we talked so much about the Warriors that you were
the first person last hour. I think the Last Night
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is so much about the Celtics and their inability to
hit shots and then their streaky shooting in Jayson Tatum
that maybe I'm sitting there focusing more on what is
wrong with Boston than maybe what Steph Curry was or
wasn't doing or how they were doing it. Um so
so yeah, so I think everything that you say is fair,
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and I just I look at last night is it's
it's such a Boston thing, we you know, I mean
last night was such a weird night because we also
are so accustomed to the Warriors coming out in the
third quarter and dominating and then that didn't happen. Thee absolutely,
we expect the Celtics to come back from a loss
and play their best game and take care of the basketball,
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and that didn't happen, correct, Yeah, so it was you know,
it was a crazy game and and maybe it wasn't
you know, locked in as much to what was happening
with Steph Curry. But you know Celtics, what they started
out over eleven from three I think in the game,
but then they couldn't miss and at the end of
the end of the second quarter. Yeah, you know. So
it's funny, like the perfect example of last night's game
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that was odd was like Jordan Pool hit hit that
runner at the end of the third quarter, right, and
then people are hyper focused on that because it it
they I think he gave them a lead going into
the fourth quarter, but then to start the fourth quarter,
Jordan Pool shot an airball, you know, so it's like
you gave it right gave it right back, and that
part is kind of fascinating, fascinating to me, fascinating. I
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would say a lot of it was about the Celtics,
but also, like you're talking about Steph curryer a historic
night over nine for some clearly frustrated. Here's Steph Curry
on his frustration shooting the basketball. As a shooter, you
want to impact the game that way, but thankfully that's
not the only thing that you do out there on
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the court. I remember the first game of the year
and there's the Lakers. I had a very similar like
shooting night, but the impact the game other ways. This
is Clay Thompson talking about steps off night. Steff is
the best to ever shoot it. And I'll tell you
what everyone is building clears your fans and those watching
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believe the ball is calling him when it leaves his fingertips.
So we're never stressed or worried about number thirty. He
has done so much and elevated his franchise to a
place where it was hard to even imagine that he
has leeway and he canna have a bad night. I
just know he will respond. It's it's interesting that the
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point he made is totally true. Anytime you see Steph
Curry shoot the ball, you think it's going in. It
could be the craziest shot ever, and you think it's
it's and he does. I mean like he makes at
best half his shots, but it feels like it's going in,
doesn't it. Here's Steve Kurt on Steph. I think Steph
was probably due for a game like this. You know,
he's been shooting the ball so well that, uh, you know,
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at some point he was gonna have a tough night.
But we've got we got a lot of talent, a
lot of depth that can make up for that. And
the guys did a good job of that tonight. I
I agree. And what we are making it all about
step and to Dan Buyer's point, we're not making about
the Celtics. They did an outstanding job of making somebody
else beat him, and that somebody else was on some level.
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Andrew Wiggins, a little bit of Clay Thompson, a little
bit of of Gary Payton. The second g P two Yes,
Jason Jason Stewart so you know, the hot take today
on the Debate Shows was that has Andrew Wiggins uh
stolen the m v P from Steph Curry? Is he?
Is he? At that point? So let me ask you this. Um,
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say the next couple of games are next game, the
Warriors win and Steph Curry has an average game or whatever?
Are you giving him the m v P? Wait? What
what if he has? The hot take was, has Andrew
Wiggins stolen the m v P from Steph Curry? I
guess that would be the first question. But the question
I have for you is if they come out in
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game six and win and Steph has like an average game,
is he your m v P? What did Andrew Wiggins do?
How did the game go? Oh? How about how about
this scenario Andrew Wiggins does have another good game, maybe
he even has a better game than tonight or last night?
Do you give has he stolen the m v P?
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I maybe I don't don't know. I gotta see it
as of right now. UM, It's just this is just
right now, like we're okay? So if we look at
the Andrew Eians did not play well in games one
in three, are we okay? Does everybody we want to
can we agree on that one? Sure, so didn't play
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well in in one or three, played exceptionally well in
game four, and I thought played exceptionally well last night.
Probably played better last night at the defensive end, even
they did the offensive end, because he's not shooting them
like lost in it was. He's all of six from
three and he's getting wide open looks. But he's so
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athletic he can still get to the rim and finished
at the room and had a couple of great finishes.
But Andrew Wiggins last night was was outstanding. Twenty six
and thirteen, had to assist to steals and a block.
Um Steph was great in game four, great in Druggins,
was very very good. Game two. I want to say
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Game two was it felt like kind of an ensemble deal. Right.
Steph had twenty nine, um Wig had eleven and only six,
So I I would say that Steph is still ahead
of him, you know, if they've won three games. Steph
was outstanding in one, he was the best player on
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the planet in another one, and then last night he
was more than relatively pedestrian. Wiggins wasn't as bad as
Steph was last night. In the game to win. He
was outstanding in Game four, four, and again outstanding in
Game five. He just didn't have the peak of Steph.
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And his name's not Steph Curry, and he doesn't like
the truth is like he's going against a center, or
he's going against a mismatch, where Steph is trying to
find a mismatch, but right now he's going against trying
to put two on the ball. I would still put
step ahead of him, but I don't think that it's
that much. But again, like, why are we saying this
before the series has decided. I think I think it
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was Clay who said after the game we haven't done anything.
We got one more and the last one is the hardest, right,
So if we judge him, what are the hardest ones
to win? I would say Steph in Game four unbelievable
pressure and he played great, and then Game six or
game seven I think are heavily weighted. That's how I
look at it. If I was given an honest appraisal, Bye,
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what do you think? Yeah, I just don't see anyway
in the end where if you're writing down that ballot,
if Steph does anything in whatever clincher, it is that
he doesn't win, agreed, but should he? Um? Yeah, yeah,
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I I think so. I I just if he has
another night like last night and they win on Thursday,
then maybe then maybe it's up for discussion. But he's
probably gonna score twenty UM at least Um would probably
score thirty. And I just don't think I I just
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I don't. I don't think that the voters would write
down Andrew Wiggins over Steph Curry. It's funny because he
currently has the most points in the series since Michael Jordan's.
He's averaging thirty point six points per game. Jordans average
thirty point four and ninety six. That's the highest everybody else.
That's the one the m v P has you know
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been jan has had twenty eight point one last year,
as he wants, but the average eleven rebounds as well too. So,
but his field goal percentage is low, like he's only
shooting forty six pcent, and that's the lowest since I
think uh Kobe shot forty five and winning it in
two thousand ten. Rollins, who would you vote for? Well,
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I personally would vote for Steph Curry only because I
think he is the driver behind the team. Unless he
just eats it in the next two games and scores
like ten points or fifteen points. But Dan, I think
it was Danny made the point, or maybe it was
you about him doing so much. Basketball is so much
more about like what you do to take pressure off
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guys if and that's what he does. He's so good
that he takes the pressure off, Like he doesn't score,
but other guys do because of him, And so I
think that should play into part of m VP as well.
But he is because I told Jason for the game
before the show today about I don't know if Steph
Gurry deserves MVP, But then when I looked at his
stats and looked at the compared to previous m vps,
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I mean, he's right there. He he actually is is
averaging just about as much as previous m vps in
the last twenty years or thirty years have averaged. Yeah,
I don't think I can. You know, I personally don't
believe that you can go based on previous m vps.
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You have to go based upon these games. That's how
I do it. Do it? Okay? And no, no, and
and you're not wrong rang most in that even these voters,
they you can take into account whatever you want. There
is no set criteria, right, So it's obvious that he
is the most important offensive player for the Warriors and
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frankly the most important defensive player as well, and so
he's a focal point of everything the Celtics too. That
should add him something and if they win the series,
that should add him some level of some level of credit.
Right that you're trying to go at him on defense
because you respect him so much on offense, fair of course, right. Um.
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On the other hand, like there is more to playing
in a game than just shooting the basketball and a
lot of those other things. Andrew Wiggins, at least the
last two games has done exceedingly well, and even in
Game two he did everything outside of score pretty pretty
darn well. But I would say that staff is there's
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a little bit of reputation, but also the reality of uh,
he's number one in the Scattering report for offense and
defense and that should earn him a bit of a
bit of credit.
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That's not good, but the Dubs did get the dub Also,
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You like Britney Grinder, remember her Britney Grinder's story that
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just enough baseball to whet the appetite, and of course
maybe the hockey a as uh Stanley Cup Finals. I
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have no idea when they even start. We'll get to that. Okay, No,
no game last night, so I miss nothing. I missed nothing.
By the way, John takes to Twitter and says, today
you got Doug gotlib talking about the two thousand three
Lakers during the NBA Finals, making fun of hockey, ignoring
baseball and other sports. It's supposed to be sports radio. Actually, uh,
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there's a lot of truth to that. But now we
will be talking about the Lakers. Maybe we will. I
don't know. I want to talk about the Warriors last night.
The Celtics last night. UM, weird game, but they're all
kind of weird, right, And again the final score not
really indicative of the game. The Celtics were awful in
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the first quarter, sixteen points and some of those were gifts,
could not make a shot, missed their first eleven threes,
then got hot in the second quarter. Third quarter, usually
dominated by the Warriors, was instead dominated by the Celtics.
But a couple of key threes by Clay Thompson and
then a bank three at the buzzer from Jordan Pool
made it look a lot better than it actually was
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for the Warriors. But late in the game, of course,
it was Andrew Wiggins that came through. Now for all
the Wiggans slander, okay, Wellgan slander and look, I'm I'll
fully admit I have made mistakes in my thoughts on
NBA teams, NFL teams, positional use of guys. But uh,
(02:58):
you know, for people who said no did like the
Andrew Wiggins acquisition. This was two years ago in February.
I went on the Herd with Colin Cowherd the day
after Andrew Wiggins was traded to the Warriors. Colin asked
me if I'd like to trade Here was my response, Yes, yes,
But I don't think it's just environment. Okay, remember he
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had a he had a reputation that preceded him when
he grew up in Canada, played at Kansas as being
a guy who he just played, not an alpha, right,
not a not a killer. Uh. And then that kind
of got re established and then remember now they add
Carl Town's um. They had Jimmy Butler that didn't work.
He's been through multiple head coaches, different front offices during
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his during his tenure, which is not a long tenure
in Minnesota. I think it has to do with environment.
Fit is a big thing, um and expectations. It's the
idea of they don't need an alpha, they don't need
a beta. I mean, like, look, the leadership and toughness
has already. The toughness is Draymond. The go to guy
is Steph defender, the defender and and and defensive leader
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as well as best shotmaker shooter you know in the
league is Clay Thompson. Like he can just play when
not carry the burden of being a franchise player, and
that fits who he is. It's something I learned when
I was playing in college is that not everybody's a leader.
And that's okay. Not everybody is at their best when
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they're the go to guy. Some guys are only at
their best when then they go to guy. Some guys
are at their best when I'm the last possible option.
Andrew Wiggins last night said this with Lisa Salters after
the game, Thank you, Andrew? Just what felt good to
you tonight? Attack in the rooms? I've all along on
(04:49):
my mind, the fair addressers, Docksons, What message did you
want to stand with that? Tell wait the fourth quarters
are we're here? You know we're here, and you know
we're all where we want this. You know the team
I watched the Mom's gonna get you wanted back to
back double doubles for you for justice second time in
your career. Can you describe the flow that you seem
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to be in right now on both sides of the ball. Man,
I'm just trying to do the thing the wins. You know,
that's it. You know, whether I gotta score, rebounder fan,
you know anything. I'm asking You're on the park to
how man, I'm gonna do? Thursday will be the first
finals close out game of your career, your chance to
become the champion. Have you allowed yourself to think about that?
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What are you looking forward to the most? I'm excited,
you know, Im, It's I'm between your lifetime, um so,
I'm gonna work car Fords on team, work car for
um So, I'm excited. You know, I can't wait for
congratulations on the wed tonight. Like alright, here's stramon on
what Andrew Wiggins gives this team. He competes, he defends,
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uh and and he and he was telling Jimmy loved him,
and we don't know how Jimmy Butler is like, you
got any softness to you, Jimmy don't like you. That's
just how Jimmy is cutting. And he's continued to show
that he's continued to get better. He's taken on every
challenge that that we've thrown in front of him, and
it's huge, and we need him to do that for
one more win. Here's Steph Curry on everyone else playing
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better when he couldn't buy a bucket. The fact that
you know everybody stepped up wigs JP, you know, Clay
hit some big shots. Draymond found his his his life
and his spirit and the way he impacts the game.
We could withstand going on for forty as the team
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and meeting over nine and still come away with the win.
So obviously track record says, you know, I'll shoot the
ball better next game, and uh looking forward to that
bounce back. Yeah, I mean, Steph, it almost is like
he felt like they didn't win, even though they won.
But but here's the here's the important part. Okay, this
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is a really important part. We go back historically and
we rank guys and it's dumb. You know, it's dumb.
I don't know how you rank. You know, Steph Curry
versus A Chemalize you on. You know, they're completely different players,
different era, different position, different types of impact. I don't know.
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But but the takeaway is really simple, is that for
the most part, your second, third, fourth, fifth guys are
each going to have to on some level play above
their normal level or perform above their normal level. Because
any team that wants you get into a series, you
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try and take away what the best player does best.
You know, if you go back to a lot of
those Lebron James NBA finals, Lebron James scoring numbers, even
in the playoffs were exorbitant. They were just huge scoring numbers.
Why is that? Because most people believed that the best
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thing Lebrun does is create for others, right, and by
making him score the first half and early in the
second half, you tire him out for the fourth quarter.
That that was the genuine thinking. And you look at
his numbers usually spiked in terms of scoring in the
playoffs as opposed to assist which were down, not because
he didn't want to pass, but because that's the defense determined.
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But the other part two it is you're just not
gonna win it by yourself. You know, no one's ever
won a title. Just hey, give me the ball, get
out of the way, I'm gonna win it. Steve Kerr
has designed a an offense and a defensive scheme that
of course best suits Steph Curry and Clay Thompson, but
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also gives others opportunities to thrive playing off of all
that they're doing. And that's what Andrew Wiggins does. It
really is a team sport, and your seeing that team
sport playout. When Draymond was a mess, the team was
a mess. As he's played a little bit better, the
team's played a little bit better. Clay Thompson wasn't great
(09:11):
last night, but he had two big third quarter threes
and they're falling out of the game. That that saved him.
You know. Steph Curry, he took a lot of he
took some contested shots. He had two threes in a
row blocked. He was a mess, but a lot of
it was how they were guarding him, face guarding him,
trapping him, making somebody else beat him. Even with all that,
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Steph made a couple of huge stops defensively, a couple
of big assists, made a floater, made another pull up,
and did just enough to help his team. That's that's
what the sport is about. The sport is about how
what we're seeing play out right. I mean, look, this
is no Everyone talks about Andrea Goodala winning the m
(09:54):
v P, you know, going back five years ago or
six years ago, and the reason he had thirty in
the final game, game six was that was the idea,
make somebody else, make the fifth best offensive player beat us.
And that's what Andrea Gudala does. That's on some level
what the Celtics watted last night. Make Wiggins beat you,
(10:16):
hopefully with jump shots. Instead he got drives and easy finishes.
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Andrew Wiggins is a well established reputation of not being
an alpha like, sometimes disappearing, but incredibly incredibly talent, a bright,
sophisticated guy who just was to be kind of a
part of something. There has never been a better example
(11:01):
of finding the right fit in order for your talents
to come out than Andrew Wiggins in this year's NBA Finals.
Fit is everything, and it allows the burden of That's
why the Draymond thing works, right, Nobody hates him. Everybody
hates Draymond. All the attention offensively is on Steph If not,
(11:27):
it's on Clay and then maybe maybe Wiggins or Jordan Pool. Right,
that's how it works. You take all of those pressures
off him and you just allow him to play and
his natural god given strength, agility, basketball skill, it all
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former pro of course, covers the game. He's the voice
of the New Orleans Pelicans. Get to him upcoming. But first,
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how about America's pastime? That's baseball. The Brave, the defending
champion Braves are on a thirteen game win streak. They
would pass the two eighteen cheating Astros for the longest
win streak by defending World Series champion. The Braves did
get some bad news as they're All star second baseman
(12:29):
broke his foot in the game last night. Um, but
how do you explain a team losing Freddie Freeman in
free agency, then going on a twelve game winning streak
and being right in the analyst race. That's baseball. I
hope Ozzy I'll be comes back very very soon. Um.
(12:55):
In the White Soxe and the White Sox feel like
an abject disaster. Right, there's larusa decision and without he's fired. Well.
The White Sox game against the Tigers Socks all star
starter Lance Lynn made his season debut. During the game,
camera's caught Lynn and Socks third base coach Joe mcgowing
in a heated exchange. Lynn was asked about the exchange
(13:15):
after the game, and he said, coach kept telling me
that the filet is better than the ribby. I'm more
of a ribby and potatoes guy, How do you explain
a player getting a shouting match and the dougod about
what cut of meat? What kind of steak is better baseball?
And um, stop me if you've heard this before, but
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Steven Strasburg is on the I l with armed discomfort.
After making his season debut on Friday. Strasbourg allowed seven runs,
eight hits, four innings. Remember, after the two thousand nineteen season,
he signed a two million dollar contracts seven year deal.
He had not pitched in a game since June one
(13:56):
of last year. How do you explain a guys number
one overall pick gonna change baseball signing a massive deal
after winning a World Series and barely pitching making thirty
five million guaranteed, that, my friends, is baseball. Antonio Daniels
(14:17):
a tremendous player. He's a world champion and an outstanding analysts.
He joins us in the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox
Sports Radio, part of that Spurs title team in he's
the voice of the New Orleans Pelicans to Game five.
If you were to describe to somebody who didn't watch
a second, how would you describe it? Oh? Man, I
(14:44):
guess it's a way you can describe it. UM. I
guess for the Golden State Warriors, what were the thought
that is Steph Curry troubles the way that he did,
as if you're at home or not, that you would
still come our victorious Um. And for for some reason,
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I don't know what it is about Jason Tatum and
the Boston Celtics in that fourth quarter. UM, it's just
not it's not clicking for them. And I I don't
want to chalk it up to oh, you know what,
lack of experience or the stage is too big or
I don't want to do that. Um. In these fourth quarters.
Jayson Tatum in particular, I saw a stat earlier that
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in every series his fourth quarter production has decreased. So
from Brooklyn, from Brooklyn to Milwaukee, from Milwaukee to Miami
and now Miami here the Golden State, his points per
game is a fourth quarter has gone down every series. UM.
And I don't know what it is about that fourth quarter.
I don't know if this is a learning curve that
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the Boston Celtics and Jayson Tatum have to go through.
But yesterday, Uh, I'll praise I'm gonna be honest. Steph
Curry has been the best player on the floor, Doug.
We all know this. Before the five games yesterday, Andrew
Wiggins was amazing. And I'll say to you what I
said on our show. The best decision that Andrew Wiggins
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made this year was not going to Kyrie Irving route.
As far as vaccination is concerned, it doesn't matter about
what you believe. You can believe in the vaccination, not
in the vaccination vaccination. What I'm saying is if Andrew
Wiggins does not get vaccinated the Golden State Warriors, there's
no way possible during the NBA Finals. What a decision
that he made. And it is reaping the He's rapping
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the fruits to that right now. That's like, great, that's
a great point. Um, I'm gonna play for you. This
is what I said. This is two years ago. The
day after the trade. I was with Colin Cowherd and
I told him I liked the trade and I said
it wasn't just because of the culture and Golden State.
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Take a listen, Yes, yes, but I don't think it's
just environment. Okay, Remember he had a he had a
reputation that preceded him when he grew up in Canada,
played at Kansas as being a guy who he just played,
not an alpha, right, not a not a killer. Uh.
And then that kind of got re established. And then
remember now they add Carl Town's um. They had Jimmy Butler,
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that didn't work. He's been through multiple head coaches, different
front offices during his during his tenure, which is not
a long tenure in Minnesota. I think it has to
do with environment. Fit is a big thing, UM and expectations.
It's the idea of they don't need an alpha, they
don't need a beta. I mean, like, look, the leadership
and toughness has already. The toughness is Draymond. The go
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to guy is Steph defender, the defender and and and
defensive leader as well as best shotmaker shooter you know
in the league is Clay Thompson. Like he can just play,
not carry the burden of being a franchise player and
that fits who he is. How much of that is accurate,
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It's very accurate. It's very accurate because it's it's about
Andrew Wiggins. See I'll tell you that for me, a
lot of it UM had to do with the UH,
with the culture um and Golden State, Like the thing
this is something I can relate to. Obviously, I'm not
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the player that Andrew Wiggins was, but I know what
it's like to step from a situation where it's not
a healthy situation into a championship culture. Because when I
got drafted by Vancouver and we won nineteen games, and
then I step into a situation and San Antonio with
Avery Johnson and Mario Elie and Steve Kerr and Terry
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Porter and Jerome Kersey and David Robinson and Sean Elliott,
where that championship culture was in place. So I know
what that transition is like. So I can relate to
that piece knowing the lack of um responsibility. And I
don't say that in a in a disrespectful manner to
Andrew Wiggins, because there's something that comes along with the
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being a number one overall pick, the stigma that comes
along with that. It's tough. It's tough along with the
guys that you are playing with. So the narratives have
followed Andrew Wiggins all the way around two. Now, oh,
he doesn't have a high motor um, he doesn't care
about winning. Yes, the scores, but it doesn't translate to winning.
All these different he's not a winner all these different things.
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And it's amazing to me, Doug, how when you step
into a championship culture and you win, how the perception
around you changes. And now the perception around Andrew Wiggins,
it's completely different than it was three hundred sixty five
days ago. And oh it took with chef been stepping
into a situation with a Steve Kerr, A A Play Thompson,
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a Steph Curry, a Draymond Green and andre Iguodala and
a Kevon Looney. Think of the way that Andrew Wiggins
is thought up right now because of the way that
he is warmed in this postseason. I felt like what
you said was accurate. He doesn't have the same standard
that he had in in Minnesota. Is a draftic difference
between the responsibility of a batman and the responsibility of
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Alfred And I'll say in this particular series, he's robbin though,
because he is Golden State's second best player behind Steph Curry.
Stug Otlieve show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM, I agree, Well,
he's a tremendous all around player, tremendous all of the player. Um.
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And I think also, you know he's getting cross match
sometimes with bigs or with littles, and it allows him
to to to read and react. And there's so much
face What what about Steph and how they guarded him?
Why don't more teams play that way where you just
face guard him the whole game and get make somebody
else speech you? Um? Because does all teams don't have
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five solid defensive players as their starters as Boston Celtics,
do you know what I mean? So that's like saying, um,
why doesn't everybody play like Golden State? Because rosters are
constructed to play like Golden State? You know. And when
you look at the Boston Celtics realistically speaking, when you
look at the five that they could start with, and
let's you know what, let's go six. So let's throw
Grant Williams in there too. So you go Marcus Smart
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defensive Player to the the Year, Jayson Tattum who has improved
incredibly defensively, Shamon Brown known as one of the better
two way players in the league. You have Al Horford
who's really good defensively, and Robert Williams who's really good defensively,
along with gret Williams. And when I say good defensively.
I'm not just talking about physically as far as what
they do. I'm talking about their knowledge, their understanding, and
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they're willing to take what they learned in the locker
room and translate that to the floor. Because you can
tell good defenders some things and some things are just
God given. Some things are just God given. Everybody doesn't
have it. Like you can teach a good player to shoot,
you know what I mean, you can teach that some
of the divisive instincts that the Boston Celtics have, God
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give it, you know. So I understand saying why don't
more teams to deny Steff Curry? Other teams don't have
rogers constructed to do that to Steff Curry like the
Boston Celtics do. Stug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um,
I do think that one person that goes not, that
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goes lightly discussed is Steve Kerr, right like A. I mean, okay, So,
when when the Spurs won the title, you were part
of it. Obviously they had several of them. They had
the Big Three with you Noble and Tony Parker and
Tim Duncan. But Pop did, and Pop has generated and
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garnered a ton of respect. I don't feel like Steve
Kerr has gotten that. Why do you think that is?
Because people think it's a lot easier than it actually is.
The coach talent, you know, I mean like I'm in
barbershops all the time, and what I hear all the time,
Doug Man. If I have Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen and
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Dennis Rodman, man if I had Seaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant.
Man If I had Tim and Manu and Tony, I
would have all them championships to man. If I had
Kevin Durant and Steph Curry and Clay Thompson, I would
have tampon. No, it's it's hard to coach talent. And
you notice when anytime you have these discussions, because what
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people do with fans is when the team plays well,
they praised the players, and when the team struggle, they
criticized the coach. But there's never anywhere in there where
you really praise the coach, you know what I mean?
And there are small things that Steve Kerr has done,
small adjustments that he's made that may be the difference
in this series. Taking Kevin Luney, I was starting five
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the mover as we Wiggess to force by maybe the
difference in this series going small, even though it's for
a small amount of time. What he has done is
he has what was once a disadvantage, he has used
it to his advantage and he has sped up the game.
He has sped up the game. It forced Boston into
multiple rotations that they didn't have with Kevan Luney out there.
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This is what we do. We credit the players for
certain things, and we rarely give the coach his or
her do that's a given, like oh Man, well, the
only reason they wanted is because Kevin Durant came. That's
why they won those two championships. Well, Steph Curry at
the time, he actually made the adjustment of putting andre
Igadala out there to card Lebron James. That's what helped
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them win that series. But it's never talked about because
people think coaching is a lot easier than what it
actually is. Doug, in my opinion, I agree, it's like
the Phils. It's like the old Phil Jackson argument. Like
you know, Jordan didn't win before Phil Jackson, Kobe didn't
frighten Kobe and Shack didn't win before or Phil Jackson,
and when they when Phil retired, they didn't win. When
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he came back, they were like, there's a reason that
some of some of these guys win and and and
some of it best guests. And I know, we don't know.
Ball goes in, doesn't go in. What happens game six? Man,
that that's a toughie. You know, this this series, Um,
it's not about momentum. That's a crazy thing because you
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you can talk about momentum being carried over from game
to game, and you know, you can see there's so
many different Evan flows where you think one thing and
then the complete opposite happens. So Game one, Boston goes
out and they stopped Golden State, and now you think
yourself like, okay, well maybe Boston just as a an
advantage over those days. The Golden State comes out in
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game two and they do what they do, you know
what I mean. And it's been up and down since.
The thing about the Boston Celtics that I respect is,
I know yesterday was the first time they had lost
back to back game since January. The thing I respect
about them, they say the true testament of a man
is is you can find out during times of adversity,
it's tested during times diversity. They have always responded to
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adverse situations well well, whether on the road or at home.
You know, you think of the games that they had
to win in these series, close out game they had
the big Game six in Milwaukee, closing out Miami in
Game seven, they have always responded to adversity well. On
the flip side, though, Clay Thompson has always played well
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in Game six is so something has to give here,
something has to give. And the only reason I'm saying this, Doug,
is because I picked before this series started. I picked
Golden State in six. So I'm saying in game six,
I'm saying Golden State will win in Game six in
Boston because before this series started and we had to
make our predictions, I predicted Golden State in six, and
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I have to hold to that awesome stuff. I would
I said Golden State in six. And one of the
reasons we saw it kind of Game four is there's
this flair for the dramatic that Steph has. Obviously we
think Games six, Clay, but the idea of those guys
who grew up in and around the game winning a
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championship on the parquet floor of the Boston Garden. And
I'll grant you it's not the old Larry Bird Boston Garden, right,
but there is something to that for them, right that
that's that's what I I think, Like Boston is tougher
than hell. It's gonna be a war. I think we'll
finally have a close game or maybe two. But that
was that was my thoughts, is that push comes to shove.
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It just feels like these story books are written for
a reason because sometimes they come true. And winning a
championship on the road in Boston Garden feels like a
very warrior story, you know the reason. And that's a
great point, Doug. I've never even thought about that, but
I'm sure they need the nostalgia um with guys who
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understand the history of the game, what it would mean
like if you had to go and say, if you
can win and close out an NBA Finals game at home,
where would you want to do with that? I'm sure
that Boston would be one of the top three. There's three, right,
There's there's three. Madison's here, Garden, Boston Garden or Staples, Right,
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those are the three, right, because of the history of
those places and the market size of those places. I
honestly picked Golden State in six because I didn't trust
Boston's ability to score like they have for four straight
games to be Golden State. I saw too many offensive
loans in the Eastern Conference Finals where they went four
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or five six minutes without scoring. So when it was
two to two at that time in the Eastern Conference Finals,
I said on our show, whoever comes up to East,
I'm picking Golden State, whether it's Miami or Boston. As
good as those teams are defensively, they have too many
offensive lows and you can't go four or five six
minutes without scoring against the Golden State Warriors without them
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making you pay for it. Excellent, Uh, enjoy game Game six.
We'll see if we have a Game seven. We'll talk soon.
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Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having
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day from Sunday, Southern California. Welcome in, Welcome, Welcome in. Um,
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here's here's a question to you. I mean, this is
an honest question. Uh, and and and first and please, guys,
don't feel bad if I'm not trying to call you out.
I do realize that because the game was on a Monday,
it did screw up some people's schedules. Right, Ramos, for example,
I don't know did you even watch it? Because you
have I know you have all that All Star Baseball.
I know I have. I have not. I think I
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watched a little bit of highlights of the games, but
I haven't actually sat down to watch the actual game
as it occurred. Buyer, did you get a chance to
watch good? Um, Chase, did you get a chance to
watch every minute? Ramos? Let me let me ask you,
how did you think Steph Curry played like? Based upon
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what everybody's saying and what little you've been able to
see in the highlights, give me your sense he's been
playing in last night's game or in the tournament in general.
The last night. I from what I've seen and what
I saw, it seemed like he didn't play very well
last night. I think he was like I think it's
a It was like, oh for nine from three point
range and he had like sixteen points something like that.
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It was very low. Okay, UM, let me ask you, buyer,
you watch the game, what did you see from Steph Curry?
UM an off night, especially considering what we saw from
him in game four, It's night is how I would
describe it. All right, what about you? Jay stwo what
he um? And and please use your own not the
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stuff that we talk about before this show. Yeah, what
is your perception of how he played? I think that
there were lots of struggles shooting the ball, but I
also had the takeaway that UM and just kind of
watching it, that he he drew so much attention that
it allowed others to thrive. Correct correct, and I you know,
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he could have been a decoy the whole game, and
everyone else could have gotten outside of baby Clay Thompson
could have gotten wide open shots. Um. Part of what
change was how they guarded him. Right, Let's just they
face guarded him from the moment he crossed mid court
just about every possession, and the only times they couldn't
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were when he was in transition. So they it was
basically like head of this what do you call ahead
of the snake defense? Like a anybody else can beat
us except Steph Kurt. Now, part of that is I
liked that he was still engaged, that he was still moving.
There were times in which he felt defeated or he
just kind of stood and allowed all that. He is
one guy to not pay attention to everybody else. And
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they basically played four on four when he would move
and come off a screen. Now was you know, four
on three and a half, because there was always a
guy or two guys on him. Um, I didn't think
he played particularly well on offense and defensively. I actually
thought he did a much better than a reputation or
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he has previously done job. I think that's that's that's
a real thought there. But how he looked and again
like this is coming off a magnificent game four, and
I I I accept all the heat for when he
came out, when he declared for the draft, I didn't
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think he was ready yet. You know, I thought he
was too slight. He he had only played the point
for a year in college and I wasn't totally convinced
that that was gonna work in the pros. And that's
what he projected as I projected him before the draft.
Has a Jeff hornesseec type, the guy who could handle,
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could pass, but not a guy who's your lead guard,
but a guy who you definitely would want on your team.
Obviously I'm massively under underestimated what he would do. But
also the game has changed, the officiant has continue to evolve.
Last night was how was my fear of how he
would look in an NBA game. That was my fear
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that because he was he's slight, he was even much
more slightly built the first half decade is in the NBA,
that he would look like a guy who's too small
and just rushing up to take long jump shots and
it wouldn't work out. Well, that was my fear. That's
what I felt like Now late in the game, he
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kind of figured out what they were doing when they
were doubling and made some great passes and reads. He
made a pull up and then he made a floater,
both I thought really helped him. He rushed all his
three point shots as quick as he normally shoots it,
he still rushed those, and um, I thought, I think
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Jason Stewart, you nailed it. Like for the most part
when he had the ball, he heard him as much
as he helped him. But his presence out on the
floor allowed other guys to do what they did right
Andrew Wiggins. One reason he was so expected was the
guys who were matching up with him were Robert Williams
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or Al Horford. You know, you have centers matching up
with him thirty ft from the basket, So of course
he's gonna try and drive by him and shoot those
quick runners in the lane. You know, I not Steph.
He had a during the third quarter. He was exceptionally frustrated.
It looked like he was frustrated, but he figured it out,
and they figured out and they made enough shots and
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they they they won the game. Buy or is that
I understand what your initial perception was. Am I fair?
And my my thoughts on my commentary? I honestly, I
we talked so much about the Warriors that you were
the first person last hour. I think the Last Night
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is so much about the Celtics and their inability to
hit shots and then their streaky shooting in Jayson Tatum
that maybe I'm sitting there focusing more on what is
wrong with Boston than maybe what Steph Curry was or
wasn't doing or how they were doing it. Um so
so yeah, so I think everything that you say is fair,
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and I just I look at last night is it's
it's such a Boston thing, we you know, I mean
last night was such a weird night because we also
are so accustomed to the Warriors coming out in the
third quarter and dominating and then that didn't happen. Thee absolutely,
we expect the Celtics to come back from a loss
and play their best game and take care of the basketball,
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and that didn't happen, correct, Yeah, so it was you know,
it was a crazy game and and maybe it wasn't
you know, locked in as much to what was happening
with Steph Curry. But you know Celtics, what they started
out over eleven from three I think in the game,
but then they couldn't miss and at the end of
the end of the second quarter. Yeah, you know. So
it's funny, like the perfect example of last night's game
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that was odd was like Jordan Pool hit hit that
runner at the end of the third quarter, right, and
then people are hyper focused on that because it it
they I think he gave them a lead going into
the fourth quarter, but then to start the fourth quarter,
Jordan Pool shot an airball, you know, so it's like
you gave it right gave it right back, and that
part is kind of fascinating, fascinating to me, fascinating. I
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would say a lot of it was about the Celtics,
but also, like you're talking about Steph curryer a historic
night over nine for some clearly frustrated. Here's Steph Curry
on his frustration shooting the basketball. As a shooter, you
want to impact the game that way, but thankfully that's
not the only thing that you do out there on
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the court. I remember the first game of the year
and there's the Lakers. I had a very similar like
shooting night, but the impact the game other ways. This
is Clay Thompson talking about steps off night. Steff is
the best to ever shoot it. And I'll tell you
what everyone is building clears your fans and those watching
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believe the ball is calling him when it leaves his fingertips.
So we're never stressed or worried about number thirty. He
has done so much and elevated his franchise to a
place where it was hard to even imagine that he
has leeway and he canna have a bad night. I
just know he will respond. It's it's interesting that the
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point he made is totally true. Anytime you see Steph
Curry shoot the ball, you think it's going in. It
could be the craziest shot ever, and you think it's
it's and he does. I mean like he makes at
best half his shots, but it feels like it's going in,
doesn't it. Here's Steve Kurt on Steph. I think Steph
was probably due for a game like this. You know,
he's been shooting the ball so well that, uh, you know,
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at some point he was gonna have a tough night.
But we've got we got a lot of talent, a
lot of depth that can make up for that. And
the guys did a good job of that tonight. I
I agree. And what we are making it all about
step and to Dan Buyer's point, we're not making about
the Celtics. They did an outstanding job of making somebody
else beat him, and that somebody else was on some level.
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Andrew Wiggins, a little bit of Clay Thompson, a little
bit of of Gary Payton. The second g P two Yes,
Jason Jason Stewart so you know, the hot take today
on the Debate Shows was that has Andrew Wiggins uh
stolen the m v P from Steph Curry? Is he?
Is he? At that point? So let me ask you this. Um,
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say the next couple of games are next game, the
Warriors win and Steph Curry has an average game or whatever?
Are you giving him the m v P? Wait? What
what if he has? The hot take was, has Andrew
Wiggins stolen the m v P from Steph Curry? I
guess that would be the first question. But the question
I have for you is if they come out in
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game six and win and Steph has like an average game,
is he your m v P? What did Andrew Wiggins do?
How did the game go? Oh? How about how about
this scenario Andrew Wiggins does have another good game, maybe
he even has a better game than tonight or last night?
Do you give has he stolen the m v P?
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I maybe I don't don't know. I gotta see it
as of right now. UM, It's just this is just
right now, like we're okay? So if we look at
the Andrew Eians did not play well in games one
in three, are we okay? Does everybody we want to
can we agree on that one? Sure, so didn't play
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well in in one or three, played exceptionally well in
game four, and I thought played exceptionally well last night.
Probably played better last night at the defensive end, even
they did the offensive end, because he's not shooting them
like lost in it was. He's all of six from
three and he's getting wide open looks. But he's so
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athletic he can still get to the rim and finished
at the room and had a couple of great finishes.
But Andrew Wiggins last night was was outstanding. Twenty six
and thirteen, had to assist to steals and a block.
Um Steph was great in game four, great in Druggins,
was very very good. Game two. I want to say
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Game two was it felt like kind of an ensemble deal. Right.
Steph had twenty nine, um Wig had eleven and only six,
So I I would say that Steph is still ahead
of him, you know, if they've won three games. Steph
was outstanding in one, he was the best player on
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the planet in another one, and then last night he
was more than relatively pedestrian. Wiggins wasn't as bad as
Steph was last night. In the game to win. He
was outstanding in Game four, four, and again outstanding in
Game five. He just didn't have the peak of Steph.
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And his name's not Steph Curry, and he doesn't like
the truth is like he's going against a center, or
he's going against a mismatch, where Steph is trying to
find a mismatch, but right now he's going against trying
to put two on the ball. I would still put
step ahead of him, but I don't think that it's
that much. But again, like, why are we saying this
before the series has decided. I think I think it
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was Clay who said after the game we haven't done anything.
We got one more and the last one is the hardest, right,
So if we judge him, what are the hardest ones
to win? I would say Steph in Game four unbelievable
pressure and he played great, and then Game six or
game seven I think are heavily weighted. That's how I
look at it. If I was given an honest appraisal, Bye,
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what do you think? Yeah, I just don't see anyway
in the end where if you're writing down that ballot,
if Steph does anything in whatever clincher, it is that
he doesn't win, agreed, but should he? Um? Yeah, yeah,
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I I think so. I I just if he has
another night like last night and they win on Thursday,
then maybe then maybe it's up for discussion. But he's
probably gonna score twenty UM at least Um would probably
score thirty. And I just don't think I I just
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I don't. I don't think that the voters would write
down Andrew Wiggins over Steph Curry. It's funny because he
currently has the most points in the series since Michael Jordan's.
He's averaging thirty point six points per game. Jordans average
thirty point four and ninety six. That's the highest everybody else.
That's the one the m v P has you know
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been jan has had twenty eight point one last year,
as he wants, but the average eleven rebounds as well too. So,
but his field goal percentage is low, like he's only
shooting forty six pcent, and that's the lowest since I
think uh Kobe shot forty five and winning it in
two thousand ten. Rollins, who would you vote for? Well,
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I personally would vote for Steph Curry only because I
think he is the driver behind the team. Unless he
just eats it in the next two games and scores
like ten points or fifteen points. But Dan, I think
it was Danny made the point, or maybe it was
you about him doing so much. Basketball is so much
more about like what you do to take pressure off
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guys if and that's what he does. He's so good
that he takes the pressure off, Like he doesn't score,
but other guys do because of him, And so I
think that should play into part of m VP as well.
But he is because I told Jason for the game
before the show today about I don't know if Steph
Gurry deserves MVP, But then when I looked at his
stats and looked at the compared to previous m vps,
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I mean, he's right there. He he actually is is
averaging just about as much as previous m vps in
the last twenty years or thirty years have averaged. Yeah,
I don't think I can. You know, I personally don't
believe that you can go based on previous m vps.
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You have to go based upon these games. That's how
I do it. Do it? Okay? And no, no, and
and you're not wrong rang most in that even these voters,
they you can take into account whatever you want. There
is no set criteria, right, So it's obvious that he
is the most important offensive player for the Warriors and
(45:29):
frankly the most important defensive player as well, and so
he's a focal point of everything the Celtics too. That
should add him something and if they win the series,
that should add him some level of some level of credit.
Right that you're trying to go at him on defense
because you respect him so much on offense, fair of course, right. Um.
(45:51):
On the other hand, like there is more to playing
in a game than just shooting the basketball and a
lot of those other things. Andrew Wiggins, at least the
last two games has done exceedingly well, and even in
Game two he did everything outside of score pretty pretty
darn well. But I would say that staff is there's
(46:11):
a little bit of reputation, but also the reality of uh,
he's number one in the Scattering report for offense and
defense and that should earn him a bit of a
bit of credit.
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