November 2, 2024 • 47 mins
On this version of the Best Of The Week The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Dodgers winning the World Series, and explains how the Yankees choked away the game.
On this week's version of "The Midway", Doug and the crew talk about the most memorable negative interactions between players and fans.
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acceptable to stay we because he literally has watched every
Dodger game of the year, and although he's been a
curmudget and then he said multiple times this team just
does not have the pitching. It's just not gonna happen.
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And they're soft and Mookie bets is a choker. You know.
All those things are well documented. His team did, in
fact win the World Series. And it's not just that
you won the World Series, it's the way in which
you won the World Series. Here's the final call on
Fox TV last night, the Dodgers a strike away from
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a championship, from a proper celebration.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
To us, you're Dodgers heavy series.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's Joe Davison call. This is the Doug atlib Shawn
Fox Sport tradio. There are similarities, right, and you had
a h It was Julio Urayas who closed it in
twenty twenty, right, and again at the time he was
a starter, I believe who came in and closed the door.
We've seen this happen time again. But the Game seven
starter and I saw Jay stew was texting and then
I tweeted out, what if they put Shoeyotani in for
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for the bobbo in the ninth inning to go in
and beat the Yankees in Yankee Stadium two out of
three times? Super impressive to come from behind in late
in the game against the Yankees. Super impressive to come
from five to nothing down, especially when Aaron Judge finally
hit a home run, and they seem to wake up
the bear really really, really impressive. I've told those last
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three outs are always hard against the anybody, especially the Yankees.
The last twenty seven against the Yankees and Yankee Stadium
are difficult. And I know they had an expensive team,
but the reality is that a good amount of that
expense is on the IRS pitchers, and choey Otani can't pitch.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, by the way, he could barely hit at least
for Joeyotani since hurting his shoulder at the end of
Game two. Game two, but they found a way or
maybe and right here's the coaching express and more games
are lost than one. The Yankees lost that game. I mean,
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I think in the late innings, coming from six to
five down, putting together at pats, loading the bases, getting
to sackfly you know, and then get some hits and
score like all that stuff is great, but none of
it happens if the Yankees don't start throwing. Looking like
when my my son stopped playing baseball, one of the
big reasons he played didn't stop playing baseball was he
wasn't on particularly good club teams and bad club teams
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when you're in like fifth grade, they look like that
they boot the rest. And the expression we always ad
is man getting nine outs is really hard in one inning, right,
And you you felt for Garrett Cole, but then he,
of course he has his own mental brain flatulence. While
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you're sitting there and you're watching it home and there's
a grounder and they get it. At first, she's like,
where's the picture. And the look on his face when
he was ultimately removed from the game was of the
realization that he let everybody down. Yes, picking the ball
up in the sixth inning and shutting him down was great,
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but you can't get it back from where it was.
And I'm going to give you an expression that I used.
I honestly don't know if I heard it somewhere or
I just made it up. It's one of those things
where when you say it or you're like, that's the
most simple minded, very easy, repeatable, dumb quote, but you
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might actually like it. You ready for it. The fundamentals
are the fundamentals. WHOA what's that mean? Though?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
In baseball, fielding the ball, catching the ball, throwing the ball,
understanding based upon outs, based upon situation, where the ball goes,
who's supposed to cover, where's the cutoff man, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. Those fundamentals have not changed, have
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not changed. Sometimes where the ball goes, you know, do
you hold a guy on? When do we have a
play on? Some of that has changed because the emphasis
of baseball. You know, for a long time, we didn't
have guys run because everything was hit home run and
we didn't value small ball. Now they increased the size
of the baseball bag, you know, of first base or
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I mean, you have second base. So it does technically
make it easier to steal. It's it's reinstitute death. But
unless you can throw it, catch it, field it, it
doesn't matter. In basketball, the sport has changed in terms
of the use of the three point show, the use
of different quadrants of the court, the styles of offense.
People don't run, motion, people don't do things inside three
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point line. But passing, dribbling, catching, shooting, defending, rebounding. That
hasn't changed. Angles and themes does change the fundamentals of
the fundamentals. In football, blocking, tackling, holding onto the ball.
He who turns the football over less generally wins right,
those things haven't changed. The fundamentals are the fundamentals, and
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the New York Yankees were not fundamentally sound and that's
why they lost the game. Now, can you blame it
on not putting enough work in it? Maybe? I don't know.
Can you blame it on the pressure of the moment
when you're up five to nothing and you feel like
and then all of a sudden you make an error,
now a sudden two or three, like, yeah, that's fair.
By the way, that's called choking. When the pressure and
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magnitude of a moment cause you to perform at a
level far below the normal standard for you or for
your team personally, that's choking. Yeggy's choked. But to me,
it's the fundamentals. Are the fundamentals, and when you and
that's challenged the most at the times in which the
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pressure is the highest. And I can tell you, like,
we're playing a game. My first college basketball game as
a coach is on Monday, play my old Moner Oaklam State.
They're bigger, they're more athletic, they're stronger, they're older, and
based upon the way they play, the number one thing
that will win us or lose us the game is
the fundamentals. Can we pass? Can we catch? Can we
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make shots? Can we defend? Stop the ball, can rebound
the ball? Like the placing of the players in the
skyning report, Like, oh, that's important, but unless you get
to the fundamentals, it doesn't matter. And that I think
is ultimately what undid the Yankees. You know, even the
fact that, like I get, you have show Hay and
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then you have Mookie before you get to Freddy. But
Game one, how you use a guy who hadn't pitched
in a month and then his first pitch is a
fastball right down in the middle. Why are you not
throwing a breaking ball which goes away from him? Why?
That's the whole strength that left you lefty matchups? The
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fundamentals are the fundamentals. Stuck Gotleib show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Jase dou how are you feeling today?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Oh, I'm feeling wonderful. Thank you, Thank you for all
the compliments in the first couple of seconds of the show.
And I could not be happier. I cannot be happier
for myself, who has been with this team since the
nineteen seventies. But I couldn't be happiest for my son Jacob,
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who is able to celebrate and acknowledge a first regular
season World Series title. So I'm over the roof and
a couple of things on what you just said. You know,
the fundamentals are definitely the issue here, and one thing
that we know about any sport is that in the postseason,
when things get tight, your flaws, your warts tend to surface.
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We knew the Yankees were not fundamentally sound all season.
This was kind of one of their weaknesses base running
as well, and it came to bite them in the
butt last night. The inverse of that, or the converse,
whatever the word is. The Dodgers' warts over the past
seven or eight years, they just didn't have any clutch
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to them. That was regular season thing and a postseason thing.
And this team, whatever chemistry shakeup Andrew Friedman made to
this team, adding the best player in baseball never hurts.
They became clutch. They became tough as nails, and it
was such a fun team to watch. So you go
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beyond all my curmudgeon and it was just a fun
experience and I'm real happy about it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think you want to know what changed? Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Sure, Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know, he wins the game in Game one. You know,
huge home runs in Games two and three, especially early
in the game when they're you know, there's pressure on you,
and you know other guys have that hangover. I think
Freddy Freeman, you know, Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
That was the underreported, underrated at bat of the night.
You know, the Yankees are getting a lot of agree
for the way they they threw the ball round in
the fifth, but Freddy Freeman came up with two outs
and the bases loaded, and you have to get that hit,
and he did. He got the hit when the Dodgers
needed him most.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah. I mean, listen, at some point when a guy
does it again and again and again and again, you
just go, hey, that's he's a dude. That was remarkable.
And of course he had done it before when he
was with Atlanta in the World Series, not afraid of
the of the big moment. And then you know, I
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believe this there is something different. The Warriors did it
a couple of years ago when they won an NBA
title in Boston Garden. Just like the Dodgers. It's one
thing to win a World Series. It's another thing to
beat the Yankees. It's a whole other thing to beat
the Yankees in Yankee Stadium and come from behind in
Yankee Stadium when you got idiots like those Han Yackson
right field who thought they're playing defense by trying to
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take the ball out of Mookie BET's glove. You know,
in Game four, you didn't just vanquish the Yankees. You
didn't just beat them in Yankee Stadium. You came from
five to nothing down, then you were down again late
in the game and came back in one. And when
you're out of relievers, you use your Game seven starter
who closed the door. Pretty awesome stuff, and I think
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the ratings were reflect That was a great and memorable
and watchable series.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
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Speaker 2 (11:55):
Radio Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Thomas Mitchev joins us,
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and roster management in the National Football League and Thomas,
thanks so much for spend some time with us. I
know we're getting up on the trade deadline and we've
already seen you know, Ouch got traded for a six
round pick. What do you think of that value that
the Patriots got in the trade of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, you know what, I'm one of those guys that's
probably going to agree with Bill Belichick on this. I mean,
that's it seems a little a little light in it.
But again, when you're working to get trades done and
deadline comes around, Doug, you start thinking about everything, and
it's a lot easier to be afar instead of being
in the organization making those moves right. Sometimes it just
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needs be some give and take and a fair win
win for each I'm sure that's why that happened that way.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, what's a guy like T Higgins values your quantitative analysis?
A guy like T Higgins?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Well, I mean, look T Higgins, by the way, obviously
he's a very talented guy. He has a legit red
zone element to him, big size guy. We know all
of that. I mean, he comes in and it's a
first round it's a first round acquisition or a first
round discussion, of course, what's there may be some later
picks involved and maybe some giving back. So if you're
talking about first you might be talking about a fifth
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or a fourth involved in that trade as well, and
then maybe giving something back to the team that's you know,
dealing with it. So he's he's a top I think
he's a guy that we need to definitely look at
in the trade side, along with Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
H Okay, there's some other guys that I'd love to
know about. I was looking and like Matt Stafford, like
are the Rams really going to trade him?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'm just I'm not feeling that mattch Staffage thing. I
know we've been back and forth on it, and you
can read the media on it. Again, I just don't
see it. I think they are in too much of
a spot. I think the coach has been outspoken about it.
Sometimes that can happen where a GM and the head
coach talk about it. They might be, you know, talking
about it, not at loggerheads, but they're trying to discuss it.
I just think Matt needs to stay where he is.
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I think the Rams need to keep him there through
the season. I think there might be more of a
market after the season.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Is there a market, Well, there's a market for Garrett Wilson, Right,
did the Jets start.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Selling Oh yeah, I think I think Garrett the way
that he moves around, the way he runs his routes.
I mean, besides letting the ball hit him on the chests. Brother,
that's not That's not something that downgrades him too much.
He's got top notch talent.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Mike Williams is a guy who obviously a big target,
a bit injury prone. We saw last week at least
we read last week that some of the teams, including
his former team, the Chargers, are interested. What would his
value be in the market.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know, this kind of reminds me of what we
did back in Atlanta with Mohammed Sanu. You know, when
we traded him to the Patriots. It's like a fifth
round pick ish. You know, when you're thinking about it,
he still has value. He can still make some plays.
I think it would be interesting to see how he
plays around when you're talking around that fourth or fifth
round pick.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
All right, let's let's get to the weekend and some
of the things. What happened to the Baltimore Ravens it
looked like the best team in the NFL and then
they fall flat to the Cleveland Browns. Was that about
Baltimore or was that about Cleveland? And the different energy
with the quarterback change.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, I'm sure there's a different energy with that change.
But I mean Jameis Winston, it's not like all the
years you've been watching him and everyone's been on the
edge of their seat watching and expecting. He came to
the table and did a great job. Give him that
for sure. I think Baltimore right now we just need
to look at what's going on with that pass rush,
which might lead to trade discussions on that side. I
don't know if you've been thinking a lot about that,
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but who is in that spot who potentially could go
there and help them. I mean, their pass rush is
down the line and obviously and they need to ramp
that up down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, Uh, what's gone so wrong with Dallas Dallas count
I know they have a lot of injuries, but uh,
and then you got Dak making turnovers. If you could
kind of point to the issues you see from your
twenty eight years of experience with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Look, I think they've made some big moves to re sign.
There's a lot of focus on that. Of course, the
injuries do play into it. I feel like there's just
there's been so many disruptions that way, and you know,
all to talk about what's going to happen with the
head coach, what's you know, how does the defensive coordinator
come in and replace dan Quinn, who you know I'm
a big fan of of course, So I'm just I'm
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thinking it's the culmination and combination, excuse me, of all
of that. It's going to be really interesting to see
it shifts. Does not seem like the fire and passion
is there right now, and obviously they have to they
have to ramp that up.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Of course, Yeah, I would, I would agree. Uh, I'm
I'm intrigued. I'm really intrigued by uh what what has
happened to the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, Look, they lost a
couple of heartbreakers to start as the year, and then
they put a couple together against non playoff teams and
the Giants and the Browns, but then just completely busted
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up by the Eagles. Do have the Raiders coming up
next before they go on the road with Ravens and Chargers.
This is a team that you know, had thoughts of
a Super Bowl even go back to last year. It
wasn't a super Bowl a couple of years ago. But
really tough start yet again, and I wonder if this
this hole is too big to dig them, for them
to dig themselves out of. Where are you and the
Bengals right now?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I just, I mean, I'm so bullish on what they
have personnel related, I just think they have some, you know,
just some really good football players, obviously offensively and a
quarterback that you know is a top notch guy in
the league. They're you know, the rushing is down, as
you know, I think we know that's going to happen. Unfortunately,
I think they need to they need to adjust that
and make sure they keep coming to this table all
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to weigh at the rush game so they can continue
to supplement that passing game and build the defense. Right now,
I'm just trying to get my head around why there's
such a struggle there, and I'm sure you are when
you look at it, right You're talking in the twenties
against you know, against the rush and in the twenties
against the past. That's a pretty tough thing to dig
yourself out of a hole when you're in that spot.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Doug, Yeah, it's it is a very The defense is atrocious.
That's there's no real kind of other way is Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know, you go back a couple weeks ago, and
you know, Shane Steichen's hot seat got cranked up when
they lose to the Buccaneers. They go to the bye week. Now, look,
they played three you know, under five hundred teams, but uh,
they've also played much better. What are your what are
your thoughts on what's changed with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well, look, I think I think Shane's got a lot
of hotness on his seat. And we all know that
many of us who have been in this spot as
a head coach and a general manager. Brother, it does
not end every day. It's there every week. It's there.
I you know, look, I think they're coming back. I
think they're on there. You know, I think they have
the momentum that they're looking for. You know, I'm a
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huge fan of Howie Roseman and how he builds that
football team. Sometimes it gets a little frustrating, you know,
watching how that quarterback is so talented, but you want
to see him do a little bit more in that
pass game. Obviously runs the ball really well. I think
they'll continue to have their momentum up and I think
we'll be watching them deep into the playoffs. Of course.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, how do you beat Kansas City?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
How do you beat them? Yeah, oh, that's a tough one.
I would say, you keep the passing down, and we've
seen that happen. They still win. They have such a
special element to them when when when it's on the line,
there's no better quarterback that way and might not be
that way all the way through the game. I just
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think you just got to rattle that quarterback, and that's
not easy to do. You know. We look at Kelsey
getting back into a full that's an important thing. Stopping
him from being involved is going to be a really
important thing. Look, I just think they're defense, and I'm
a huge fan of Spagnola. I think I think stags
away he puts that defense together. You better somehow get
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the defense on their heels to be able to win
against them.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
There are a bunch of decisions that went awry for
the Bears, still should have won the game. And now
you get the video of Tarry Stevenson, who's celebrating a
little bit while the final play is snapped. Then he
doesn't fulfill his assignment and boxing out guy who ultimately
catches the football. If you were if if you were
a Poles, you're the gentle manager of the Bears, what
do you do?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I would go right into my head coach, and I'd
discuss whether we need to release this guy or not.
That is unacceptable. I know he apologized. Everyone just can't
do that, man, We know how that is. It is
such an important Every game is so important, and if
you're not involved, if you're not focused on something like that,
that's a really difficult thing for me to stomach.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, it's a tough one because it just even if
you win the game, you look like a clown. But
now the optics bring more attention to everything within within
the operation, just really quickly. With Caleb Williams, now that
we've seen him for half a season, did the Bears
make the right choice at quarterback?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I believe they did make the right choice. Doug. I
think I think this guy obviously has all the ability
to move around do what he needs to do. He
can add lib he's growing with I feel most of
his experiences with each game. I think I think he's
the guy that can win them games and get them
to where they need to be. They need they have,
as you know, they have all sorts of targets. They
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have to continue to spread the ball around, they have
to be creative with it, and that O line has
to step up and do their part.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, it's just what about the deep ball? Though? Like everything,
if you look at his pass chart, it's all within
ten yards of the line of scrimmage. He struggled with
the deep ball. Is that something you develop over time?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think he can develop it over time. He has
the ability to do it. But again, this guy is
one of those guys that's going to always keep people
on their on their heels. And again they continue to
be creative with the underneath stuff. They should be able
to pop the deep I don't. I think he can
make the deep ball. Obviously it's not showing at this point.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
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One more for you. Let you go, Uh, Anthony Richardson,
he struggled all year. They've been better, frankly offensively when
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he was out, and then yesterday pulled himself out of
a play because he was too tired. Did they have
their quarterback in Indy?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh my gosh, I can't. I can't even imagine dealing
with that as an organization. Right, I get people get tired.
It just does not seem what you know you want
at your quarterback position. You don't want it at any position.
Doug Right, I understand he's coming off of injuries and everything,
and that's that's another tough one to stomach. This is
a quarterback that has all the athleticism in the world.
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The upside, he's also a quarterback that there were questions
when he came out is does he have all of that?
Does he have the background you know? For you know,
obviously there are players in the past that got drafted
off of the upside. There's an adage in the NFL
over many years you have to be very careful about
drafting and planning your organization around potential and upside. But
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It's not an easy thing to pass up. Sometimes when
you see a guy with this much athleticism, time will
tell here he has to make better decisions, grow and
he has to mature, of course.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Thomas to Mitrov, He's spent twenty eight years in the
NFL as an executive GM scout of course of the
GM of the NFC champion Atlanta Falcons, was there for
thirteen years. Thomas, thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy
money that football. We'll catch up very soon.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Always enjoy it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
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Speaker 6 (24:00):
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Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's Doug Gotlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmm. So
he talked a little bit about it before the break.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Major League Baseball had those two fans banned tonight with
with refunds. Why they refund their money? Sorry dude, sorry,
come back to Connecticut. Here's Mickey Mooky Betts after the
game talking about the incident with the Yankees fan. Fly
to right by Torres Bets in the corner. Does he
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have room fights.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
With a fan and they're gonna say that it's it
out and fan interference.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, fan interference. It wasn't fan interference though, Like it
wasn't the what was the guy's named the kid named
Jeffrey Mayer, right, Jeffrey Mayer in that Oriole series that
was a game changer, that that changed the rules of baseball.
We saw the Dodger fan reach what would have been
over the proverbial line, and what should have been a
double was end up being called a double. But this one,
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like once if like MOOKI goes after the ball, you
get out of the way and then he tries to
rip the ball out of his hands, not surprised at all,
and I just we have reached a place and I'm
not old man, get off my lawn, okay, but we
haven't reached a place where we have honestly, like we're
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just as responsible for it in in in sports radio.
Our radio show doesn't do it. Fox Sports Radio. I
don't think Buy and Large does it. But whether it's
local radio guy or some of these other entities, you know,
it's I say, it's like the barstoolization of sports, Like
the barstool guys, Big Cat's good dude, you know, uh
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with PFT commentators give those a good guy like those
are good guys. But it's a little bit like something
else we're saying, where it's the people that you welcome
in to just being complete dbs, if you know what
I mean, and just do whatever you want just because
you want to do it. Like, No, there's a certain
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way in which as a fan, you don't have the
right to throw bottles on people. You don't have the
right to rip the ball out of a guy's hands.
No one came to see you. You're not some great
Yankee fan because you're doing the Yankees a service. You
just look like a clown. It's no more or less
clownish than people get in these fistfights at NFL games
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or college football, like most of the NFL games, you know,
and this is every got time you've been to the
Yankee stadium. Look, it's not a one to one ratio.
It's probably a three to one of good solid fans too.
But dude, there's definitely some some guys there that take
it a little too seriously. My guess is that guy's
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also a Knicks fan, a Ranger fan, a Syracuse fan,
and a Jet fan. That's my guess. What do you
think Bayer did I nail it.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Nail you probably nailed it on the teams and the fandoms.
The thing that I just really can't get past, aside
from the guy trying to rip the ball out, was
his buddy who grabbed Mookie Betts's arm like it's one
thing to try to rip the ball out of a glove,
which is absurd. I completely agree with you. The other
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guy with him physically grabs his wrist could have caused
injury in either of those scenarios, but the second guy,
to me, is much worse. And to your point about
how this is being glorified, ESPN does this piece on
finding the fan and he's smiling and he's with his
five buddies, and how in the world is this okay?
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All of the instances that you mentioned the Dodgers fan
Jeffrey Mayer, they were going for the ball. None of
them made physical contact that was meant to make physical
contact with any of those players, and it's just crazy
to me that this is just man. Remember in that
Yankee game. This absolutely crossed the line last night.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Is there a reason aren't they broadcasters and the broadcast
told to never show streakers never show fans running on
the field and getting tackled because and I think the reason,
the essence for that is they don't want to show
fans that if they do this, they're going to get attention.
So the way the broadcasts handled those guys last night,
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the way ESPN handled them today, and then the Yankees'
first inclination was to allow them back into the game.
They only ban them from tonight's game at the at
ajor League Baseball's behest. So the Yankees more or less
signed off on it too. But isn't this just going
to show fans that you can get your fifteen minutes
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of fame as well if you have touch players.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yes, And this wasn't just touching a player like I had.
I had a real problem with just the aggression that
these two guys showed, where you're taking someone's hand excuse me,
taking someone's hand and ripping it open to take the
ball away. I just I found it to be a violation.
I was really disgusted by it.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, Austin Capo Bianco, he said a story. He told
the ESPN, if it's in our ear, we're gonna d up.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Yeah, Like, well, dude, we're patrolling. We patrol these decks,
like dude.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Hey Austin, Hey Austin, Dude, you couldn't get on a field.
You couldn't get on a field, period. Shut up. You
sound like the dumbest idiot that is known to mankind.
And there's plenty of idiots that are there. You're the
guy that everybody makes fun of when they talk about
the New York fan. You're the guy that called in
the mic, and you we need to get rid of.
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We need to get rid of everybody, everybody. When they
lost games one through three, A, you're that guy. A,
you're that guy. You're that guy. And again like the
Yankees not doing something about it. I'll give you again.
I shared with this with you guys for the last
week and a half. I went to the Texans Packers game. Now,
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the difference in that when Joe Mixon tried to do
the Lambeau leap because they were a Texan fan right there,
and then he got blocked and somebody dumped a beer
and they actually took the guy out who dumped the
beer on him. Now he snuck back in, he was
back in his seat. But my thing there was like
I actually didn't mind First of all, it's a beer, Like,
come on, man, it's not it was a hot, warm
day getting a deer beer. Dumb to his other and
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he was going into the stands. There was no football
action for it, right, he was just going to the
stands to celebrate. Like, dude, Joe, what are you doing?
I know you people have done the Lambeau leap as visitors,
but this is not not a smart move. But if
there's a ball near this, you're going for a football
or you're going for a baseball, like that's the sport.
You're a just a fan. You're a fan. You don't matter. Sorry,
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this is this is the I and again I I
I know Jason, you love your Dodgers. This is what
real athletes think of guys that say we like we
And did you come ever practice? Do you come every game? Right? Like, no,
you're saying we. You're not a member of the Yankees.
You're a Yankee fan. You paid for your jersey, which
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is not yours.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
If the Yankees make history and they come all the
way back from being down three to zero, here's.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
This gotta be celebrated.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Yes, it all changed when these guys attack Mookie Betts
and they're gonna celebrate it, glorify it, and again embolden
other fans in other sports to do the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's gross, but it is a Wednesday. It is Wednesday,
right hump day, middle of the week, middle of the show,
middle of the day. Let's get to the midway. He's
not getting.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It's time for the midway.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
This one was pretty easy. Very rarely when we have
our group text is there like one topic and everybody's
like yep. It's always like hey, what about and what about?
And what about? And what about? And there's between two
to four and sometimes we'll have somebody else chime in
or some other thing that you know, Jason will give
kind of us two different options of things. He's thinking, whatever,
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this one is pretty easy, Jays.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Wasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah, try, I'll try not to take offense to this
being non creative and too easy. But today I was thinking,
since you know, between us, I think we have like
eighty years of radio experience. We have talked about the
significant fan interactions with games and players for many years,
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and in a lot of ways, this topic is the
true essence of talk radio fans thinking they make a difference,
fans wanting to make a difference, and as you eloquently
put it a half hour ago, you don't matter. So
let's talk about, like some of the most notable fan
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interactions with games and teams players. And I'd like to
start with Steve Bartman because in a lot of ways,
I think that episode and that person's life should have
never been impacted. It was the decision of one person
that ruins Steve Bartman's life. And for those that aren't
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completely familiar with this situation, it was two thousand and three.
The Cubs were playing the Marlins and the NLCS. It
was in really field pop fly down their left field line.
Moyses Alou was pursuing a Cubs fan with walkman on
or a discman on reached up and tried to catch
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the ball. Moyses Alu had a complete conniption because of this.
I don't even know if Moyses would have caught the ball,
but because Alu reacted the way he did, he forever
changed the life of this poor Cubs fan. Everyone hates him,
All Cubs fans hate him. Remember, they had not won
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a World Series in what almost one hundred years, and
Steve bartonan was just one of the reasons why, and
I solely blame moyses Alu. I want to say, in
recent years he has admitted as much and has tried
to apologize that maybe I'm making that up.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Let the fact checked me on that.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
But Steve Bartman, that's the one that sticks out, and
I really feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
In terms of fan interactions, I give you the Mouse
the Palace. Guys, Right, you guys know Bill Bird the comedian,
Have you ever?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Does everybody know Bill Birth?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Okay, he has a bit and you guys can google
it online. It's really good and it was he did
it for about ten years after The Mouse of the Palace,
and it was like, basically the premise was Hey, for
years spans and the stands and be like, hey, come
up here, why don't you come up here? They came
up there and Ron our test basically knocked out an
entire row of people with one punch. Right. That's it
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was really sad. It was gross and in many ways scary.
But what was the premise of the text was what
was our topic? Most memorable?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I can't think of a stronger memory. I have than
those two those.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I'll say this because I do want to jump in
on Jason's point as well. I mean the the amount
of content that we've gotten from the Malice at the Palace,
of documentaries, of podcasts of everything that went down. There's
been some with Bartman, but the mystery of Bartman is
still I mean like that's like it's still out there.
(36:20):
Like we talk about who needs to do a documentary
in sports, and I think everything has basically been done.
There are very few topics that haven't been done, and
the reveal of Bartman would be amazing. I would love
to know. I hope we find out at some point.
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I would love to know this story, and I think
he would be universally loved and embraced after all of
this time and the Malice at the Palace. We hear
Stephen Jackson and you know, Metal World Peace all say
there are things the mystery of the Bartman one is
just still so intriguing to it.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
And Dan in the day and age of people wanted
to come forward, go online and talk about this last night,
either either apologize for what they did or just talk
about it like and glowed about it, or just explain themselves.
Bartman has been impossible to find. He has, I mean
he hasn't. Wasn't he? Oh, by the way, do you
guys remember when they Dan Patrick thought he had Bartman
(37:25):
on Sports Center, but it's actually just a crank call
from the Howard Stern Show and it was like the
most tense interview and then they just is like he
said something about farts or something or I don't remember,
but but yeah, Bartman is like wants something to do
with this in a day and age where we live,
where people want their fifteen minutes or just want to
clear the record or clear the clear the air.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
If these yahoos last night are being celebrated, I mean
Bartman would.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Be I exulted. What's that exalted?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It would be what a story? And how bad would
see your point of moisty saw Lou apologizing.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I we gotta tell you the guys, the moyses Allu
story that so you know he was in Miami when
they won the World Series. Boog Shambi was the play
by Polley voice at the time, and when he moved
to Chicago, booging him at dinner one time and book
tells me a story. It's the best ever and he
was just like, so mo, I like Chicago. He's like
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a lot of day games. It just strikes me as
you signed with the Chicago Cubs and they didn't have
lights until nineteen eighty eight, you didn't know they played
lots of day games.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I've got an interaction real fast.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
I want to make sure that we button your point
about the Bartman documentary, and I'm going to google it
after this to see if there's been anything done. I
think he's turned down every request. But we have seen
in the past two weeks the power of modern day media.
In other words, the Menendez brought drama series and then
the documentary. That kind of it goes with the drama
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series literally is going to get them out of prison.
People don't read anymore, people don't want to read it anymore,
but they are they are moved by the power of
that that series. Literally he got Kim Kardashian on board.
So you're right. If Bartman agreed to do this, I
think he would be completely exonerated and beloved.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Acquitted in the court of public opinion. The next Netflix
murder show that they do to hear about this. So
they did the Dahmer and they did the Menendez. I'm serious.
I thought there was a punchliner. No, they're doing it.
I think I read they're doing it on ed Geen
(39:47):
and ed Geen is actually from this habit in Plainfield,
Wisconsin and it's kind of the halfway point from my
hometown to Madison. But I think that's going to be
the next season of it. If you're into that stuff. Oh,
I love it all right, I've got one, Sam, do
you want to go? Or yeah, I have one too.
Whenever I think I have I think I have the
top one. I think I have the top one.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Wait a minute, Doug already said there's no top one
other than mouths of the Palace.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So how could you guys both be.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Saying this, Well, let's see what, let's see what.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Who do you want to hear from me? Or Sam? Me, Well,
i'm afraid you're going to you're gonna steal mine. If
it's really the top, well that's I'm afraid you're gonna
steal mine. Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Monica Sellis nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Three, Monica Sels was you stabbing the back?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yes? I didn't even wait for the countdown. Sorry, Doug,
I jumped the gun.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Wow, and I think Dan did win.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I totally forgot about this one when Monica Sellis was
stabbed by a fan who was obsessed with Steffie Groff.
Because Monica Sellis was dominating tennis. She came back. She
won an Australian Open about three years later, but she
was the dominant player in tennis and that changed everything.
So when you look at last night and you think
(40:58):
that it's ha ha funny that these guys did this,
think of like the fear of an athlete in nineteen
ninety three, when you have an actual player who was
at the top of her game, so it's not like
nobody was around. Had a fan come and stab her
in the back in the middle of a match while
she sat at the bench, that is crazy. What was yours?
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety four. The World Cup
host nation United States playing in a preliminary round against
Columbia and Colombia zone Andre Escobar.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
He hits a goal into his.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
Own own goal net yet an own goal, and of
course the nation of Columbia, I'm sure, was devastated and
freaked out and angry and everything.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
But after Columbia was eliminated.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
He decided instead of going to visit relatives in Las Vegas,
he'd go back to his.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Home country of Columbia. And he went to a night
club with some friends.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
This was on July first four and his friends ended
up going home and he was in a parking lot
by himself, in the parking lot of this nightclub, and
three random men showed up and just started shooting him
to death because of the own goal. And according to
what I'm reading here, they were shouting goal goal every
time they shot him, and he was shot six times,
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I believe so, I think that And this was this
didn't obviously occur on the field. The it led. It
was something on the field that led to this. But
murder of a from a fan, the murder of a
sports figure, I don't know how you can top that.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Well, it didn't happen, and it happened, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It happened.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
That kind of the premise it is, But a fan
killed a professional soccer player because of something that happened.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
We think, well, yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
There's an I mean, you talk about modern media, there's
a there is a thirty for thirty on this yep,
I very much recommend it. Again, I'm recommending a lot
of things. The two Escobars, and they do a parallel
between Pablo Escobar at the time and the soccer player,
and it's fascinating. It will be well worth your time.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yes, it's very good.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
And the question is you're right, Doug. At the end,
we don't know why he was murdered. But if they
were yelling goal, maybe that that's a that's a giveaway.
But I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Also, the thought was it was because the cartel had
money on the game, and still that's what most people think.
But again we don't know, and you know it's Sam.
I I appreciate you your knowledge of that story that
you were what like four years old when it took place.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Eight. I appreciate him reading it off of Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
That's basically that's basically what he did.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
What he did.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
The idea is what is the most memorable You can't
remember something that you weren't like cognitive, but you don't
actually remember that.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
No, But I've read about it over the years and
it's by far the most shocking fan and sports celebrity
or sports athlete interaction I've ever heard of.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
It.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I gotta tell you, like Monica Seal is getting stabbed
in the back during during an event.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
I think mine was great. She survived. This guy didn't. Well,
I say stupid stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Now that's yeah, yeah, we're good. Yeah. I mean it
didn't occur in the sport, in the sporting event, in
the in the forum of sports. It No, you don't
actually remember it outside of that. You nail it, thanks, Tolly,
nail it.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Nail it. This. It shows the levels though, I mean
like it does, like Bartman was publicly shamed the Pistons,
fans were beat up by players. This was a stabbing
of a player like this is. I mean, it's just
it's it's crazy, It truly is. There was there were
(44:42):
others that we could have put into the mix, like
I'll never forget the fan giving the Russell Westbrook the
double bird. But like that image because I think it's
a social media thing resonates. These other instances are much bigger,
have been much bigger, broader coverage stroke than than something
like that.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Ye remember Bradley Beal. I think it was Bradley Beal's
story when he was with Washington. How I guess some
guys said, you cost me five thousand dollars and started
the MFN. I think that that's just going to be
one of many stories ultimately, gambling losses leading to fan
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interaction with players that are unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Gambling losses, Alan fans, that's going.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Do you think Steve Bartman's gone to Cubs games? Yes, incognito.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I'm guessing sure, as long as you don't wear the turtleneck. Yeah, right,
his sweater and the hat and have the He's just
he looks like every other you know. Yeah, and we're
talking what is it to twenty one years removed?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yes, yeah, I don't know. That's the thing of I
don't know how it was for like run our test,
so you know, to get back onto the court to
have that feeling. But he was also the aggressor in this.
The thing with Monica sellis is I don't know how
you could go back on the court and do what
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you had loved or what you had known to do
without that you fear being there. The fact that you
won another Grand Slam event is I mean crazy. The
fact that she went back and made a comeback in
tennis is absolutely crazy. But man, I have.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
A story to tell you guys about Monica selas. I
think I've told a couple of people. I don't know
if I told Anaer Monica SEL's hit on me. Oh yep.
It was that the ESPN twenty five party in New
York City back when they had the ESPN Zone, and
that me and Chuck Wilson hosted a show from it.
It was amazing, like the guest list was incredible, and
(47:00):
Chuck went up to go to the restroom whatever, and
she came in to do a segment and we were
down a break and uh yeah, she looked at my
wedding ring at the time and said, that's that's too bad.
She gave me a look, and it was definitely a look.
She definitely a look. Yeah, I guess Elle, Swiss Miss.
There you go.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
That's a good story.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
That's literally the only time it's ever happened to me
in my life.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
So yeah, it hasn't happened to me ever time one time.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, Swiss Miss.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
I caught Andrea Kramer given Buyer the Eyes on radio
Road two.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Years ago, so hot, and that is the Midway.
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does not have the pitching. It's just not gonna happen.
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And they're soft and Mookie bets is a choker. You know.
All those things are well documented. His team did, in
fact win the World Series. And it's not just that
you won the World Series, it's the way in which
you won the World Series. Here's the final call on
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a championship, from a proper celebration.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
To us, you're Dodgers heavy series.
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That's Joe Davison call. This is the Doug atlib Shawn
Fox Sport tradio. There are similarities, right, and you had
a h It was Julio Urayas who closed it in
twenty twenty, right, and again at the time he was
a starter, I believe who came in and closed the door.
We've seen this happen time again. But the Game seven
starter and I saw Jay stew was texting and then
I tweeted out, what if they put Shoeyotani in for
(02:22):
for the bobbo in the ninth inning to go in
and beat the Yankees in Yankee Stadium two out of
three times? Super impressive to come from behind in late
in the game against the Yankees. Super impressive to come
from five to nothing down, especially when Aaron Judge finally
hit a home run, and they seem to wake up
the bear really really, really impressive. I've told those last
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three outs are always hard against the anybody, especially the Yankees.
The last twenty seven against the Yankees and Yankee Stadium
are difficult. And I know they had an expensive team,
but the reality is that a good amount of that
expense is on the IRS pitchers, and choey Otani can't pitch.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
I know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, by the way, he could barely hit at least
for Joeyotani since hurting his shoulder at the end of
Game two. Game two, but they found a way or
maybe and right here's the coaching express and more games
are lost than one. The Yankees lost that game. I mean,
(03:21):
I think in the late innings, coming from six to
five down, putting together at pats, loading the bases, getting
to sackfly you know, and then get some hits and
score like all that stuff is great, but none of
it happens if the Yankees don't start throwing. Looking like
when my my son stopped playing baseball, one of the
big reasons he played didn't stop playing baseball was he
wasn't on particularly good club teams and bad club teams
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when you're in like fifth grade, they look like that
they boot the rest. And the expression we always ad
is man getting nine outs is really hard in one inning, right,
And you you felt for Garrett Cole, but then he,
of course he has his own mental brain flatulence. While
(04:06):
you're sitting there and you're watching it home and there's
a grounder and they get it. At first, she's like,
where's the picture. And the look on his face when
he was ultimately removed from the game was of the
realization that he let everybody down. Yes, picking the ball
up in the sixth inning and shutting him down was great,
(04:27):
but you can't get it back from where it was.
And I'm going to give you an expression that I used.
I honestly don't know if I heard it somewhere or
I just made it up. It's one of those things
where when you say it or you're like, that's the
most simple minded, very easy, repeatable, dumb quote, but you
(04:53):
might actually like it. You ready for it. The fundamentals
are the fundamentals. WHOA what's that mean? Though?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
In baseball, fielding the ball, catching the ball, throwing the ball,
understanding based upon outs, based upon situation, where the ball goes,
who's supposed to cover, where's the cutoff man, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. Those fundamentals have not changed, have
(05:23):
not changed. Sometimes where the ball goes, you know, do
you hold a guy on? When do we have a
play on? Some of that has changed because the emphasis
of baseball. You know, for a long time, we didn't
have guys run because everything was hit home run and
we didn't value small ball. Now they increased the size
of the baseball bag, you know, of first base or
(05:45):
I mean, you have second base. So it does technically
make it easier to steal. It's it's reinstitute death. But
unless you can throw it, catch it, field it, it
doesn't matter. In basketball, the sport has changed in terms
of the use of the three point show, the use
of different quadrants of the court, the styles of offense.
People don't run, motion, people don't do things inside three
(06:05):
point line. But passing, dribbling, catching, shooting, defending, rebounding. That
hasn't changed. Angles and themes does change the fundamentals of
the fundamentals. In football, blocking, tackling, holding onto the ball.
He who turns the football over less generally wins right,
those things haven't changed. The fundamentals are the fundamentals, and
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the New York Yankees were not fundamentally sound and that's
why they lost the game. Now, can you blame it
on not putting enough work in it? Maybe? I don't know.
Can you blame it on the pressure of the moment
when you're up five to nothing and you feel like
and then all of a sudden you make an error,
now a sudden two or three, like, yeah, that's fair.
By the way, that's called choking. When the pressure and
(06:49):
magnitude of a moment cause you to perform at a
level far below the normal standard for you or for
your team personally, that's choking. Yeggy's choked. But to me,
it's the fundamentals. Are the fundamentals, and when you and
that's challenged the most at the times in which the
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pressure is the highest. And I can tell you, like,
we're playing a game. My first college basketball game as
a coach is on Monday, play my old Moner Oaklam State.
They're bigger, they're more athletic, they're stronger, they're older, and
based upon the way they play, the number one thing
that will win us or lose us the game is
the fundamentals. Can we pass? Can we catch? Can we
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make shots? Can we defend? Stop the ball, can rebound
the ball? Like the placing of the players in the
skyning report, Like, oh, that's important, but unless you get
to the fundamentals, it doesn't matter. And that I think
is ultimately what undid the Yankees. You know, even the
fact that, like I get, you have show Hay and
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then you have Mookie before you get to Freddy. But
Game one, how you use a guy who hadn't pitched
in a month and then his first pitch is a
fastball right down in the middle. Why are you not
throwing a breaking ball which goes away from him? Why?
That's the whole strength that left you lefty matchups? The
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fundamentals are the fundamentals. Stuck Gotleib show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Jase dou how are you feeling today?
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Oh, I'm feeling wonderful. Thank you, Thank you for all
the compliments in the first couple of seconds of the show.
And I could not be happier. I cannot be happier
for myself, who has been with this team since the
nineteen seventies. But I couldn't be happiest for my son Jacob,
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who is able to celebrate and acknowledge a first regular
season World Series title. So I'm over the roof and
a couple of things on what you just said. You know,
the fundamentals are definitely the issue here, and one thing
that we know about any sport is that in the postseason,
when things get tight, your flaws, your warts tend to surface.
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We knew the Yankees were not fundamentally sound all season.
This was kind of one of their weaknesses base running
as well, and it came to bite them in the
butt last night. The inverse of that, or the converse,
whatever the word is. The Dodgers' warts over the past
seven or eight years, they just didn't have any clutch
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to them. That was regular season thing and a postseason thing.
And this team, whatever chemistry shakeup Andrew Friedman made to
this team, adding the best player in baseball never hurts.
They became clutch. They became tough as nails, and it
was such a fun team to watch. So you go
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beyond all my curmudgeon and it was just a fun
experience and I'm real happy about it.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I think you want to know what changed? Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Sure, Freddy Freeman.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know, he wins the game in Game one. You know,
huge home runs in Games two and three, especially early
in the game when they're you know, there's pressure on you,
and you know other guys have that hangover. I think
Freddy Freeman, you know, Freddie Freeman.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
That was the underreported, underrated at bat of the night.
You know, the Yankees are getting a lot of agree
for the way they they threw the ball round in
the fifth, but Freddy Freeman came up with two outs
and the bases loaded, and you have to get that hit,
and he did. He got the hit when the Dodgers
needed him most.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah. I mean, listen, at some point when a guy
does it again and again and again and again, you
just go, hey, that's he's a dude. That was remarkable.
And of course he had done it before when he
was with Atlanta in the World Series, not afraid of
the of the big moment. And then you know, I
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believe this there is something different. The Warriors did it
a couple of years ago when they won an NBA
title in Boston Garden. Just like the Dodgers. It's one
thing to win a World Series. It's another thing to
beat the Yankees. It's a whole other thing to beat
the Yankees in Yankee Stadium and come from behind in
Yankee Stadium when you got idiots like those Han Yackson
right field who thought they're playing defense by trying to
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take the ball out of Mookie BET's glove. You know,
in Game four, you didn't just vanquish the Yankees. You
didn't just beat them in Yankee Stadium. You came from
five to nothing down, then you were down again late
in the game and came back in one. And when
you're out of relievers, you use your Game seven starter
who closed the door. Pretty awesome stuff, and I think
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the ratings were reflect That was a great and memorable
and watchable series.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
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Speaker 2 (11:55):
Radio Stug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Thomas Mitchev joins us,
who spent twenty eight years in the NFL as an
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Operations at Summer Sports. Suomer Sports delivers the best in
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and roster management in the National Football League and Thomas,
thanks so much for spend some time with us. I
know we're getting up on the trade deadline and we've
already seen you know, Ouch got traded for a six
round pick. What do you think of that value that
the Patriots got in the trade of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, you know what, I'm one of those guys that's
probably going to agree with Bill Belichick on this. I mean,
that's it seems a little a little light in it.
But again, when you're working to get trades done and
deadline comes around, Doug, you start thinking about everything, and
it's a lot easier to be afar instead of being
in the organization making those moves right. Sometimes it just
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needs be some give and take and a fair win
win for each I'm sure that's why that happened that way.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Okay, what's a guy like T Higgins values your quantitative analysis?
A guy like T Higgins?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Well, I mean, look T Higgins, by the way, obviously
he's a very talented guy. He has a legit red
zone element to him, big size guy. We know all
of that. I mean, he comes in and it's a
first round it's a first round acquisition or a first
round discussion, of course, what's there may be some later
picks involved and maybe some giving back. So if you're
talking about first you might be talking about a fifth
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or a fourth involved in that trade as well, and
then maybe giving something back to the team that's you know,
dealing with it. So he's he's a top I think
he's a guy that we need to definitely look at
in the trade side, along with Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
H Okay, there's some other guys that I'd love to
know about. I was looking and like Matt Stafford, like
are the Rams really going to trade him?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
I'm just I'm not feeling that mattch Staffage thing. I
know we've been back and forth on it, and you
can read the media on it. Again, I just don't
see it. I think they are in too much of
a spot. I think the coach has been outspoken about it.
Sometimes that can happen where a GM and the head
coach talk about it. They might be, you know, talking
about it, not at loggerheads, but they're trying to discuss it.
I just think Matt needs to stay where he is.
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I think the Rams need to keep him there through
the season. I think there might be more of a
market after the season.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Is there a market, Well, there's a market for Garrett Wilson, Right,
did the Jets start.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Selling Oh yeah, I think I think Garrett the way
that he moves around, the way he runs his routes.
I mean, besides letting the ball hit him on the chests. Brother,
that's not That's not something that downgrades him too much.
He's got top notch talent.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Mike Williams is a guy who obviously a big target,
a bit injury prone. We saw last week at least
we read last week that some of the teams, including
his former team, the Chargers, are interested. What would his
value be in the market.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
You know, this kind of reminds me of what we
did back in Atlanta with Mohammed Sanu. You know, when
we traded him to the Patriots. It's like a fifth
round pick ish. You know, when you're thinking about it,
he still has value. He can still make some plays.
I think it would be interesting to see how he
plays around when you're talking around that fourth or fifth
round pick.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
All right, let's let's get to the weekend and some
of the things. What happened to the Baltimore Ravens it
looked like the best team in the NFL and then
they fall flat to the Cleveland Browns. Was that about
Baltimore or was that about Cleveland? And the different energy
with the quarterback change.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Well, I'm sure there's a different energy with that change.
But I mean Jameis Winston, it's not like all the
years you've been watching him and everyone's been on the
edge of their seat watching and expecting. He came to
the table and did a great job. Give him that
for sure. I think Baltimore right now we just need
to look at what's going on with that pass rush,
which might lead to trade discussions on that side. I
don't know if you've been thinking a lot about that,
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but who is in that spot who potentially could go
there and help them. I mean, their pass rush is
down the line and obviously and they need to ramp
that up down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, Uh, what's gone so wrong with Dallas Dallas count
I know they have a lot of injuries, but uh,
and then you got Dak making turnovers. If you could
kind of point to the issues you see from your
twenty eight years of experience with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Look, I think they've made some big moves to re sign.
There's a lot of focus on that. Of course, the
injuries do play into it. I feel like there's just
there's been so many disruptions that way, and you know,
all to talk about what's going to happen with the
head coach, what's you know, how does the defensive coordinator
come in and replace dan Quinn, who you know I'm
a big fan of of course, So I'm just I'm
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thinking it's the culmination and combination, excuse me, of all
of that. It's going to be really interesting to see
it shifts. Does not seem like the fire and passion
is there right now, and obviously they have to they
have to ramp that up.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Of course, Yeah, I would, I would agree. Uh, I'm
I'm intrigued. I'm really intrigued by uh what what has
happened to the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, Look, they lost a
couple of heartbreakers to start as the year, and then
they put a couple together against non playoff teams and
the Giants and the Browns, but then just completely busted
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up by the Eagles. Do have the Raiders coming up
next before they go on the road with Ravens and Chargers.
This is a team that you know, had thoughts of
a Super Bowl even go back to last year. It
wasn't a super Bowl a couple of years ago. But
really tough start yet again, and I wonder if this
this hole is too big to dig them, for them
to dig themselves out of. Where are you and the
Bengals right now?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
I just, I mean, I'm so bullish on what they
have personnel related, I just think they have some, you know,
just some really good football players, obviously offensively and a
quarterback that you know is a top notch guy in
the league. They're you know, the rushing is down, as
you know, I think we know that's going to happen. Unfortunately,
I think they need to they need to adjust that
and make sure they keep coming to this table all
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to weigh at the rush game so they can continue
to supplement that passing game and build the defense. Right now,
I'm just trying to get my head around why there's
such a struggle there, and I'm sure you are when
you look at it, right You're talking in the twenties
against you know, against the rush and in the twenties
against the past. That's a pretty tough thing to dig
yourself out of a hole when you're in that spot.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Doug, Yeah, it's it is a very The defense is atrocious.
That's there's no real kind of other way is Philadelphia?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know, you go back a couple weeks ago, and
you know, Shane Steichen's hot seat got cranked up when
they lose to the Buccaneers. They go to the bye week. Now, look,
they played three you know, under five hundred teams, but uh,
they've also played much better. What are your what are
your thoughts on what's changed with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well, look, I think I think Shane's got a lot
of hotness on his seat. And we all know that
many of us who have been in this spot as
a head coach and a general manager. Brother, it does
not end every day. It's there every week. It's there.
I you know, look, I think they're coming back. I
think they're on there. You know, I think they have
the momentum that they're looking for. You know, I'm a
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huge fan of Howie Roseman and how he builds that
football team. Sometimes it gets a little frustrating, you know,
watching how that quarterback is so talented, but you want
to see him do a little bit more in that
pass game. Obviously runs the ball really well. I think
they'll continue to have their momentum up and I think
we'll be watching them deep into the playoffs. Of course.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, how do you beat Kansas City?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
How do you beat them? Yeah, oh, that's a tough one.
I would say, you keep the passing down, and we've
seen that happen. They still win. They have such a
special element to them when when when it's on the line,
there's no better quarterback that way and might not be
that way all the way through the game. I just
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think you just got to rattle that quarterback, and that's
not easy to do. You know. We look at Kelsey
getting back into a full that's an important thing. Stopping
him from being involved is going to be a really
important thing. Look, I just think they're defense, and I'm
a huge fan of Spagnola. I think I think stags
away he puts that defense together. You better somehow get
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the defense on their heels to be able to win
against them.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
There are a bunch of decisions that went awry for
the Bears, still should have won the game. And now
you get the video of Tarry Stevenson, who's celebrating a
little bit while the final play is snapped. Then he
doesn't fulfill his assignment and boxing out guy who ultimately
catches the football. If you were if if you were
a Poles, you're the gentle manager of the Bears, what
do you do?
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I would go right into my head coach, and I'd
discuss whether we need to release this guy or not.
That is unacceptable. I know he apologized. Everyone just can't
do that, man, We know how that is. It is
such an important Every game is so important, and if
you're not involved, if you're not focused on something like that,
that's a really difficult thing for me to stomach.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, it's a tough one because it just even if
you win the game, you look like a clown. But
now the optics bring more attention to everything within within
the operation, just really quickly. With Caleb Williams, now that
we've seen him for half a season, did the Bears
make the right choice at quarterback?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I believe they did make the right choice. Doug. I
think I think this guy obviously has all the ability
to move around do what he needs to do. He
can add lib he's growing with I feel most of
his experiences with each game. I think I think he's
the guy that can win them games and get them
to where they need to be. They need they have,
as you know, they have all sorts of targets. They
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have to continue to spread the ball around, they have
to be creative with it, and that O line has
to step up and do their part.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, it's just what about the deep ball? Though? Like everything,
if you look at his pass chart, it's all within
ten yards of the line of scrimmage. He struggled with
the deep ball. Is that something you develop over time?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I think he can develop it over time. He has
the ability to do it. But again, this guy is
one of those guys that's going to always keep people
on their on their heels. And again they continue to
be creative with the underneath stuff. They should be able
to pop the deep I don't. I think he can
make the deep ball. Obviously it's not showing at this point.
I get it.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
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One more for you. Let you go, Uh, Anthony Richardson,
he struggled all year. They've been better, frankly offensively when
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he was out, and then yesterday pulled himself out of
a play because he was too tired. Did they have
their quarterback in Indy?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Oh my gosh, I can't. I can't even imagine dealing
with that as an organization. Right, I get people get tired.
It just does not seem what you know you want
at your quarterback position. You don't want it at any position.
Doug Right, I understand he's coming off of injuries and everything,
and that's that's another tough one to stomach. This is
a quarterback that has all the athleticism in the world.
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The upside, he's also a quarterback that there were questions
when he came out is does he have all of that?
Does he have the background you know? For you know,
obviously there are players in the past that got drafted
off of the upside. There's an adage in the NFL
over many years you have to be very careful about
drafting and planning your organization around potential and upside. But
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It's not an easy thing to pass up. Sometimes when
you see a guy with this much athleticism, time will
tell here he has to make better decisions, grow and
he has to mature, of course.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Thomas to Mitrov, He's spent twenty eight years in the
NFL as an executive GM scout of course of the
GM of the NFC champion Atlanta Falcons, was there for
thirteen years. Thomas, thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy
money that football. We'll catch up very soon.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Always enjoy it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
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Speaker 2 (24:09):
It's Doug Gotlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmm. So
he talked a little bit about it before the break.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Major League Baseball had those two fans banned tonight with
with refunds. Why they refund their money? Sorry dude, sorry,
come back to Connecticut. Here's Mickey Mooky Betts after the
game talking about the incident with the Yankees fan. Fly
to right by Torres Bets in the corner. Does he
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have room fights.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
With a fan and they're gonna say that it's it
out and fan interference.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, fan interference. It wasn't fan interference though, Like it
wasn't the what was the guy's named the kid named
Jeffrey Mayer, right, Jeffrey Mayer in that Oriole series that
was a game changer, that that changed the rules of baseball.
We saw the Dodger fan reach what would have been
over the proverbial line, and what should have been a
double was end up being called a double. But this one,
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like once if like MOOKI goes after the ball, you
get out of the way and then he tries to
rip the ball out of his hands, not surprised at all,
and I just we have reached a place and I'm
not old man, get off my lawn, okay, but we
haven't reached a place where we have honestly, like we're
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just as responsible for it in in in sports radio.
Our radio show doesn't do it. Fox Sports Radio. I
don't think Buy and Large does it. But whether it's
local radio guy or some of these other entities, you know,
it's I say, it's like the barstoolization of sports, Like
the barstool guys, Big Cat's good dude, you know, uh
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with PFT commentators give those a good guy like those
are good guys. But it's a little bit like something
else we're saying, where it's the people that you welcome
in to just being complete dbs, if you know what
I mean, and just do whatever you want just because
you want to do it. Like, No, there's a certain
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way in which as a fan, you don't have the
right to throw bottles on people. You don't have the
right to rip the ball out of a guy's hands.
No one came to see you. You're not some great
Yankee fan because you're doing the Yankees a service. You
just look like a clown. It's no more or less
clownish than people get in these fistfights at NFL games
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or college football, like most of the NFL games, you know,
and this is every got time you've been to the
Yankee stadium. Look, it's not a one to one ratio.
It's probably a three to one of good solid fans too.
But dude, there's definitely some some guys there that take
it a little too seriously. My guess is that guy's
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also a Knicks fan, a Ranger fan, a Syracuse fan,
and a Jet fan. That's my guess. What do you
think Bayer did I nail it.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Nail you probably nailed it on the teams and the fandoms.
The thing that I just really can't get past, aside
from the guy trying to rip the ball out, was
his buddy who grabbed Mookie Betts's arm like it's one
thing to try to rip the ball out of a glove,
which is absurd. I completely agree with you. The other
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guy with him physically grabs his wrist could have caused
injury in either of those scenarios, but the second guy,
to me, is much worse. And to your point about
how this is being glorified, ESPN does this piece on
finding the fan and he's smiling and he's with his
five buddies, and how in the world is this okay?
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All of the instances that you mentioned the Dodgers fan
Jeffrey Mayer, they were going for the ball. None of
them made physical contact that was meant to make physical
contact with any of those players, and it's just crazy
to me that this is just man. Remember in that
Yankee game. This absolutely crossed the line last night.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Is there a reason aren't they broadcasters and the broadcast
told to never show streakers never show fans running on
the field and getting tackled because and I think the reason,
the essence for that is they don't want to show
fans that if they do this, they're going to get attention.
So the way the broadcasts handled those guys last night,
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the way ESPN handled them today, and then the Yankees'
first inclination was to allow them back into the game.
They only ban them from tonight's game at the at
ajor League Baseball's behest. So the Yankees more or less
signed off on it too. But isn't this just going
to show fans that you can get your fifteen minutes
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of fame as well if you have touch players.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yes.
Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yes, And this wasn't just touching a player like I had.
I had a real problem with just the aggression that
these two guys showed, where you're taking someone's hand excuse me,
taking someone's hand and ripping it open to take the
ball away. I just I found it to be a violation.
I was really disgusted by it.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, Austin Capo Bianco, he said a story. He told
the ESPN, if it's in our ear, we're gonna d up.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
Yeah, Like, well, dude, we're patrolling. We patrol these decks,
like dude.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Hey Austin, Hey Austin, Dude, you couldn't get on a field.
You couldn't get on a field, period. Shut up. You
sound like the dumbest idiot that is known to mankind.
And there's plenty of idiots that are there. You're the
guy that everybody makes fun of when they talk about
the New York fan. You're the guy that called in
the mic, and you we need to get rid of.
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We need to get rid of everybody, everybody. When they
lost games one through three, A, you're that guy. A,
you're that guy. You're that guy. And again like the
Yankees not doing something about it. I'll give you again.
I shared with this with you guys for the last
week and a half. I went to the Texans Packers game. Now,
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the difference in that when Joe Mixon tried to do
the Lambeau leap because they were a Texan fan right there,
and then he got blocked and somebody dumped a beer
and they actually took the guy out who dumped the
beer on him. Now he snuck back in, he was
back in his seat. But my thing there was like
I actually didn't mind First of all, it's a beer, Like,
come on, man, it's not it was a hot, warm
day getting a deer beer. Dumb to his other and
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he was going into the stands. There was no football
action for it, right, he was just going to the
stands to celebrate. Like, dude, Joe, what are you doing?
I know you people have done the Lambeau leap as visitors,
but this is not not a smart move. But if
there's a ball near this, you're going for a football
or you're going for a baseball, like that's the sport.
You're a just a fan. You're a fan. You don't matter. Sorry,
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this is this is the I and again I I
I know Jason, you love your Dodgers. This is what
real athletes think of guys that say we like we
And did you come ever practice? Do you come every game? Right? Like, no,
you're saying we. You're not a member of the Yankees.
You're a Yankee fan. You paid for your jersey, which
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is not yours.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
If the Yankees make history and they come all the
way back from being down three to zero, here's.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
This gotta be celebrated.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
Yes, it all changed when these guys attack Mookie Betts
and they're gonna celebrate it, glorify it, and again embolden
other fans in other sports to do the exact same thing.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
It's gross, but it is a Wednesday. It is Wednesday,
right hump day, middle of the week, middle of the show,
middle of the day. Let's get to the midway. He's
not getting.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It's time for the midway.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
This one was pretty easy. Very rarely when we have
our group text is there like one topic and everybody's
like yep. It's always like hey, what about and what about?
And what about? And what about? And there's between two
to four and sometimes we'll have somebody else chime in
or some other thing that you know, Jason will give
kind of us two different options of things. He's thinking, whatever,
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this one is pretty easy, Jays.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Wasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah, try, I'll try not to take offense to this
being non creative and too easy. But today I was thinking,
since you know, between us, I think we have like
eighty years of radio experience. We have talked about the
significant fan interactions with games and players for many years,
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and in a lot of ways, this topic is the
true essence of talk radio fans thinking they make a difference,
fans wanting to make a difference, and as you eloquently
put it a half hour ago, you don't matter. So
let's talk about, like some of the most notable fan
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interactions with games and teams players. And I'd like to
start with Steve Bartman because in a lot of ways,
I think that episode and that person's life should have
never been impacted. It was the decision of one person
that ruins Steve Bartman's life. And for those that aren't
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completely familiar with this situation, it was two thousand and three.
The Cubs were playing the Marlins and the NLCS. It
was in really field pop fly down their left field line.
Moyses Alou was pursuing a Cubs fan with walkman on
or a discman on reached up and tried to catch
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the ball. Moyses Alu had a complete conniption because of this.
I don't even know if Moyses would have caught the ball,
but because Alu reacted the way he did, he forever
changed the life of this poor Cubs fan. Everyone hates him,
All Cubs fans hate him. Remember, they had not won
(34:34):
a World Series in what almost one hundred years, and
Steve bartonan was just one of the reasons why, and
I solely blame moyses Alu. I want to say, in
recent years he has admitted as much and has tried
to apologize that maybe I'm making that up.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Let the fact checked me on that.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
But Steve Bartman, that's the one that sticks out, and
I really feel bad for the guy.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
In terms of fan interactions, I give you the Mouse
the Palace. Guys, Right, you guys know Bill Bird the comedian,
Have you ever?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Does everybody know Bill Birth?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Absolutely?
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Okay, he has a bit and you guys can google
it online. It's really good and it was he did
it for about ten years after The Mouse of the Palace,
and it was like, basically the premise was Hey, for
years spans and the stands and be like, hey, come
up here, why don't you come up here? They came
up there and Ron our test basically knocked out an
entire row of people with one punch. Right. That's it
(35:38):
was really sad. It was gross and in many ways scary.
But what was the premise of the text was what
was our topic? Most memorable?
Speaker 5 (35:50):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I can't think of a stronger memory. I have than
those two those.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I'll say this because I do want to jump in
on Jason's point as well. I mean the the amount
of content that we've gotten from the Malice at the Palace,
of documentaries, of podcasts of everything that went down. There's
been some with Bartman, but the mystery of Bartman is
still I mean like that's like it's still out there.
(36:20):
Like we talk about who needs to do a documentary
in sports, and I think everything has basically been done.
There are very few topics that haven't been done, and
the reveal of Bartman would be amazing. I would love
to know. I hope we find out at some point.
(36:41):
I would love to know this story, and I think
he would be universally loved and embraced after all of
this time and the Malice at the Palace. We hear
Stephen Jackson and you know, Metal World Peace all say
there are things the mystery of the Bartman one is
just still so intriguing to it.
Speaker 7 (37:03):
And Dan in the day and age of people wanted
to come forward, go online and talk about this last night,
either either apologize for what they did or just talk
about it like and glowed about it, or just explain themselves.
Bartman has been impossible to find. He has, I mean
he hasn't. Wasn't he? Oh, by the way, do you
guys remember when they Dan Patrick thought he had Bartman
(37:25):
on Sports Center, but it's actually just a crank call
from the Howard Stern Show and it was like the
most tense interview and then they just is like he
said something about farts or something or I don't remember,
but but yeah, Bartman is like wants something to do
with this in a day and age where we live,
where people want their fifteen minutes or just want to
clear the record or clear the clear the air.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
If these yahoos last night are being celebrated, I mean
Bartman would.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Be I exulted. What's that exalted?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It would be what a story? And how bad would
see your point of moisty saw Lou apologizing.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
I we gotta tell you the guys, the moyses Allu
story that so you know he was in Miami when
they won the World Series. Boog Shambi was the play
by Polley voice at the time, and when he moved
to Chicago, booging him at dinner one time and book
tells me a story. It's the best ever and he
was just like, so mo, I like Chicago. He's like
(38:25):
a lot of day games. It just strikes me as
you signed with the Chicago Cubs and they didn't have
lights until nineteen eighty eight, you didn't know they played
lots of day games.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I've got an interaction real fast.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
I want to make sure that we button your point
about the Bartman documentary, and I'm going to google it
after this to see if there's been anything done. I
think he's turned down every request. But we have seen
in the past two weeks the power of modern day media.
In other words, the Menendez brought drama series and then
the documentary. That kind of it goes with the drama
(39:06):
series literally is going to get them out of prison.
People don't read anymore, people don't want to read it anymore,
but they are they are moved by the power of
that that series. Literally he got Kim Kardashian on board.
So you're right. If Bartman agreed to do this, I
think he would be completely exonerated and beloved.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Acquitted in the court of public opinion. The next Netflix
murder show that they do to hear about this. So
they did the Dahmer and they did the Menendez. I'm serious.
I thought there was a punchliner. No, they're doing it.
I think I read they're doing it on ed Geen
(39:47):
and ed Geen is actually from this habit in Plainfield,
Wisconsin and it's kind of the halfway point from my
hometown to Madison. But I think that's going to be
the next season of it. If you're into that stuff. Oh,
I love it all right, I've got one, Sam, do
you want to go? Or yeah, I have one too.
Whenever I think I have I think I have the
top one. I think I have the top one.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Wait a minute, Doug already said there's no top one
other than mouths of the Palace.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
So how could you guys both be.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Saying this, Well, let's see what, let's see what.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
Who do you want to hear from me? Or Sam? Me, Well,
i'm afraid you're going to you're gonna steal mine. If
it's really the top, well that's I'm afraid you're gonna
steal mine. Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Monica Sellis nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Three, Monica Sels was you stabbing the back?
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yes? I didn't even wait for the countdown. Sorry, Doug,
I jumped the gun.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Wow, and I think Dan did win.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
I totally forgot about this one when Monica Sellis was
stabbed by a fan who was obsessed with Steffie Groff.
Because Monica Sellis was dominating tennis. She came back. She
won an Australian Open about three years later, but she
was the dominant player in tennis and that changed everything.
So when you look at last night and you think
(40:58):
that it's ha ha funny that these guys did this,
think of like the fear of an athlete in nineteen
ninety three, when you have an actual player who was
at the top of her game, so it's not like
nobody was around. Had a fan come and stab her
in the back in the middle of a match while
she sat at the bench, that is crazy. What was yours?
Speaker 7 (41:21):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety four. The World Cup
host nation United States playing in a preliminary round against
Columbia and Colombia zone Andre Escobar.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
He hits a goal into his.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
Own own goal net yet an own goal, and of
course the nation of Columbia, I'm sure, was devastated and
freaked out and angry and everything.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
But after Columbia was eliminated.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
He decided instead of going to visit relatives in Las Vegas,
he'd go back to his.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Home country of Columbia. And he went to a night
club with some friends.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
This was on July first four and his friends ended
up going home and he was in a parking lot
by himself, in the parking lot of this nightclub, and
three random men showed up and just started shooting him
to death because of the own goal. And according to
what I'm reading here, they were shouting goal goal every
time they shot him, and he was shot six times,
(42:20):
I believe so, I think that And this was this
didn't obviously occur on the field. The it led. It
was something on the field that led to this. But
murder of a from a fan, the murder of a
sports figure, I don't know how you can top that.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Well, it didn't happen, and it happened, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
It happened.
Speaker 7 (42:36):
That kind of the premise it is, But a fan
killed a professional soccer player because of something that happened.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
We think, well, yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (42:46):
There's an I mean, you talk about modern media, there's
a there is a thirty for thirty on this yep,
I very much recommend it. Again, I'm recommending a lot
of things. The two Escobars, and they do a parallel
between Pablo Escobar at the time and the soccer player,
and it's fascinating. It will be well worth your time.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Yes, it's very good.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
And the question is you're right, Doug. At the end,
we don't know why he was murdered. But if they
were yelling goal, maybe that that's a that's a giveaway.
But I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Also, the thought was it was because the cartel had
money on the game, and still that's what most people think.
But again we don't know, and you know it's Sam.
I I appreciate you your knowledge of that story that
you were what like four years old when it took place.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Eight. I appreciate him reading it off of Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
That's basically that's basically what he did.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
What he did.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
The idea is what is the most memorable You can't
remember something that you weren't like cognitive, but you don't
actually remember that.
Speaker 7 (43:45):
No, But I've read about it over the years and
it's by far the most shocking fan and sports celebrity
or sports athlete interaction I've ever heard of.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
It.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
I gotta tell you, like Monica Seal is getting stabbed
in the back during during an event.
Speaker 3 (43:57):
I think mine was great. She survived. This guy didn't. Well,
I say stupid stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
Now that's yeah, yeah, we're good. Yeah. I mean it
didn't occur in the sport, in the sporting event, in
the in the forum of sports. It No, you don't
actually remember it outside of that. You nail it, thanks, Tolly,
nail it.
Speaker 3 (44:19):
Nail it. This. It shows the levels though, I mean
like it does, like Bartman was publicly shamed the Pistons,
fans were beat up by players. This was a stabbing
of a player like this is. I mean, it's just
it's it's crazy, It truly is. There was there were
(44:42):
others that we could have put into the mix, like
I'll never forget the fan giving the Russell Westbrook the
double bird. But like that image because I think it's
a social media thing resonates. These other instances are much bigger,
have been much bigger, broader coverage stroke than than something
like that.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Ye remember Bradley Beal. I think it was Bradley Beal's
story when he was with Washington. How I guess some
guys said, you cost me five thousand dollars and started
the MFN. I think that that's just going to be
one of many stories ultimately, gambling losses leading to fan
(45:24):
interaction with players that are unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
Gambling losses, Alan fans, that's going.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Do you think Steve Bartman's gone to Cubs games? Yes, incognito.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I'm guessing sure, as long as you don't wear the turtleneck. Yeah, right,
his sweater and the hat and have the He's just
he looks like every other you know. Yeah, and we're
talking what is it to twenty one years removed?
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yes, yeah, I don't know. That's the thing of I
don't know how it was for like run our test,
so you know, to get back onto the court to
have that feeling. But he was also the aggressor in this.
The thing with Monica sellis is I don't know how
you could go back on the court and do what
(46:19):
you had loved or what you had known to do
without that you fear being there. The fact that you
won another Grand Slam event is I mean crazy. The
fact that she went back and made a comeback in
tennis is absolutely crazy. But man, I have.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
A story to tell you guys about Monica selas. I
think I've told a couple of people. I don't know
if I told Anaer Monica SEL's hit on me. Oh yep.
It was that the ESPN twenty five party in New
York City back when they had the ESPN Zone, and
that me and Chuck Wilson hosted a show from it.
It was amazing, like the guest list was incredible, and
(47:00):
Chuck went up to go to the restroom whatever, and
she came in to do a segment and we were
down a break and uh yeah, she looked at my
wedding ring at the time and said, that's that's too bad.
She gave me a look, and it was definitely a look.
She definitely a look. Yeah, I guess Elle, Swiss Miss.
There you go.
Speaker 5 (47:19):
That's a good story.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
That's literally the only time it's ever happened to me
in my life.
Speaker 3 (47:26):
So yeah, it hasn't happened to me ever time one time.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, Swiss Miss.
Speaker 5 (47:31):
I caught Andrea Kramer given Buyer the Eyes on radio
Road two.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Years ago, so hot, and that is the Midway.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
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