March 16, 2024 • 45 mins
On this edition of the best of the week of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug reacts to Nick Saban's comments on Capitol Hill about the state of college sports.
Doug and the crew share what they loved and hated about the sports weekend.
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the kiddos, you know, it's Getting older is interesting. Getting
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older is interesting because you get to a point in life.
I mean most people do. There's like two different times
there's one and some people call it the midlife crisis
or whatever. But you get to a point in your
life you're like, hmm, what if I did what I
want to do instead of what I'm getting paid to do.
I had a what I thought was a great podcast
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I recorded earlier today, and Guy's named Griff. Aldrich Griff
was a practicing attorney in Houston for fifteen years and
actually adopted three kids. They the firm took him to
London for a couple of years. They came back to Houston.
He was coaching AU basketball and he missed hoop and
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so he now is the head coach at Longwood. They've
won twenty games three consecutive years. They've gone to the
Now there's second nca term in three years. You can
download my All Ball podcast just iype in All Ball
or Doug Gottlieb. You can check out all my podcasts,
including the podcast hour for this show. And I think
we'll get into this a little bit. We'll get into
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this a little bit more in the deeper into the podcast.
But I am the of When I say a basketball coach,
I think it's more to it than that. My late father,
from the time that he was still in college as
a walk on Ohio State, he wanted to coach. He
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loved basketball. He was probably not good enough, probably too small.
He's smaller than me. I'm not particularly big, and his
way into the game was through coaching. Through coaching, and
I don't know if it's who he was when he
was recruiting in college. I have attenmpty to believe it was.
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But my dad was one of these people who, maybe
you call it a romantic, but loved getting people an
opportunity to experience college. I felt like there is a
certain privilege to when you grew up in a family
where college is not a question. You know, both of
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my parents were college educated, and so because of it,
in my house growing up as a kid, it wasn't
are you going to go to college? It was what
college you're going to go to? And then what college
can we afford to send you to. It's not that
way with everybody. It's not a lot of it depends
upon you know their family and how they were raised
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and their socioeconomic background. But his goal was to just
get kids a chance, get him to play in college,
and get them off to a better life because college does,
in fact work. And I understand that there have been
plenty of people that have had successful lives and careers
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that haven't done college. And it is not for every person,
but for most people, I think it's great. It's great,
it's a chance to be an adult, but you still
have the guardrails of being a kid. It's a chance
to live on your own, but it's you know, if
you live in the dorm, you know, if you might
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have a roommate, you might not. You're not paying for
your cable, you're not paying for your air, you're not
paying for the gas bill, you know. So it's kind
of an in between stage sort of thing. And obviously
college sports has turned to I think what anyone would
deem some form of professional avenue, a professional avenue, And
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I don't know if you would say it's pure professional
because there's a lot of things missing from it. You know,
you are the benefits you receive while playing, not the
nil that's tax but the benefits those aren't taxed. Okay,
you're treated far better than you're treated in the real world.
There's limited hours in which they can have you, and
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being a student and having freedom is all part of it,
where when it's a real work environment, none of that
comes into play. But we've definitely taken a turn, and
I think it's fascinating if you think about it this way.
This is Nick Saban. He was on Capitol Hill earlier today.
Here's what he said about college sports.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
All the things that I believed in for all these years.
Fifty years of coaching no longer exist in college athletics.
So it's always about developing players. It was always about
helping people maybe more successful in life. My wife even
said to me, we'd have all the recruits over on
Sunday with their parents for breakfast, and she would always
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meet with the mothers and talk about how she was
going to help and impact their sons and how they
would be well taken care of. And she came to me,
you know, like right before I retired, and said, why
are we doing this? And I said, what do you mean?
She said, all they care about is how much you're
going to pay them. They don't care about how you're
going to develop them, which is what we've always done.
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So why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So when you hear that, I know your reaction. I
know what your reaction is. Your reaction is going to be, well, Nick,
if you really wanted that, why'd you make eleven million
dollars your last couple of years when you're at Alabama.
My argument would be he's been underpaid for a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I actually think that college football and basketball coaches they
receive probably two to three times what they should. But
it's an evening out of the fact that we compensate
our teachers way below the level of their importance, way below.
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When you look at beginning teaching salaries, why would anybody
go into teaching? You know, imagine yourself, by the way,
if you're a college to college apple plate and you're
making you know, anywhere from fifty sixty to one hundred
and fifty maybe two hundred thousand dollars, and somebody said, well,
if you get done, why don't you teach coach at
a high school? Not cool? What do I make forty
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forty five? Yeah, no, I'm not going to do that.
But the starting salaries from many jobs right at that level,
I think why you get into a profession. And some
people lose sight of that, but I think that what
Nick Saban is saying is what so many of these
coaches feel. I get that I'm making a lot of money.
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I've worked for fifty years to get to that money, Okay,
and I'm in charge of, you know, really one hundred
and fifty two hundred people when a college football program,
and oh yeah, by the way, my success or failure
also kind of determines the success or failure of admissions.
Alabama's a perfect example, Fred Door. The university is a
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football program, and when Alabama's football has been good, the
school has taken off. There is not a player that
has that much of an effect, nor are they there
long enough, nor have they earned that much of respect.
And I've had lots of people say, hey, you're just
an anti player, guy, You're a shield for the system,
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like numb not. I thought players have always been compensated
with their scholarship, room board tuition, and I love cost
of attendance. I think that's great. I would love for
there to be a way for real anil to exist.
But it doesn't. It becomes pay for play. And what
happens when you make something about money? It only becomes
about money. And not enough people have the long term
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view of what true development of a player, true development
of the human being matters. They just don't. It's how quickly,
how much? How quickly can I make a buck? How
much can I make doing it? Saban speaking the truth. Man,
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We've had this wonderful thing that wasn't perfect. But she
can't make things perfect. There is no perfect thing. There
are no perfect people. And our effort to somehow even
the playing field where the student makes as much as
the school, which will never happen. This is what we got.
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This is what we got, and it sucks because college
football is great and getting the playoffs should make it
even better, and college basketball is awesome and the nca
term it's the best time of year. But this, sadly
is what everyone in the sport tells me. It's about
It's no longer about the relationships. It's no longer about
the school. It's no longer about systems and how I'm
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used and how I can grow and how can improve
and what I can count on for the next fifty years.
You know, it's instead of like what can I get now?
And if I can't get what I want now from you,
where can I get what I want now? Buyer? Do you?
I mean, I'm sure we're gonna you know, we get well.
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He'll get besieged on this on social media by by
calling him a hypocrite because he makes a bunch of money.
But I gave you my side of it. You love
college sports as much as I do. What do you
think of what Saban said?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I I understand completely why he uh why he got
out of it, and it's it's a lot of places
across the board, which is funny because of how we
thought what we thought this was going to turn into
has been like Pandora's box. It's just been completely all
over the place. Like if you go back to us, say,
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I don't know what five years ago, all right, let's
let's let's give the athletes something. Well, there's only going
to be you know, certain athletes that end up, you know,
making money. So those are the ones who are going
to pay at least we can, we can compensate them.
I think that was one of the general thoughts. Well
that didn't necessarily turn out there were more than just
maybe a couple players here or there. I thought at
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one point, Doug, that the players who would say go
to Alabama and maybe you're a backup lineman, that hey,
I can make some money here in Tuscaloosa. I could
go down to the car dealership and make some money
and that will be awesome. But that's not the case.
What they're saying is I can make a lot more
money if I go to you know, Starkville, or if
I go and transfer to you know, ames, Iowa, where
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I'm going to get playing time. So that's now through
a different wrench in to it. It is so far
from what we thought or what it could be when
we had good intentions that it's ruined a lot, and
it's forced not only Nick Saban, but so many others
just out of this game. And I know college basketball
had different, you know, things to deal with, especially transfer
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wise and whatnot, but it's still the same in football
and to appease the player, and it's no longer about
building a team. And Alabama was a team that honestly
kept a lot of the guys. They didn't have a
ton of guys that would leave early. That have more
guys that would stay than maybe some of the other
top programs. Uh yeah, I agree with them.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah. Well I never thought the nil would end up
being the romantic view of it as you did. I
just I knew once, you know, once people got a
chance to legally pay players, I did not think it
would spin to I think what what coaches have the
biggest issue with is what coaches had the biggest issue
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with is that guys that can't play get made. Sure,
you know, but it's I mean, honestly, I don't even
think the pay would be the issue as much as
the lack of accountability and the ability to just move
to another school.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I also, I also think that we thought that a
school like Alabama would reap the benefits of this sort
of system, right. And now I'm not saying that they
aren't better off than maybe others, but the stuff that
Nick Saban talked about, I mean, we would think that
maybe Alabama would be better off, they'd be able to
pay more of their players that would want the money
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than maybe a smaller school. And yet these program these
schools are still dealing with the you know, the same
sort of problem, even at the top of the food chain.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, it's I agree with you. I think what it's
done is it has spread guys out along the sec whatever.
But you know, the beauty to college athletics, believe it
or not, is the whole kind of growth process of
taking in a boy and spitting out a man. And
you use sports as a way to do that, right,
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And you come in and everybody has thoughts and hopes
of playing professionally and of starring right away and being
and some guys are on that path. Some guys the
path is sometimes their body lets them down. Sometimes are
just not as good. Sometimes they were you know, early early,
early growers, and sometimes guys are late growers or late
bloomers whatever. But you come in, you earn it, and
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you work and work and work, and eventually by your
junior and senior year you're like a team cap and
you're a leader, and just that whole process has been disrupted,
and it is it. I don't think we end up
producing the best humans out of it. You know, that's
a long time ago. When I was in first started
in national radio, I was with Chuck Wilson, and Chuck
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pulled me aside one time and said, Hey, do me
a favor. As you rise in this profession. Don't take
a job because of the money. I don't take a
job because of money. And I would say a good
ninety percent of these jobs that guys are taking are
simply because of the money.
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We talk about these contracts. Andrew Brand's gonna join us
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Were you into uh in Living Color at all? It's
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Yeah, and again I think there was on Fox, so
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I do remember some of them, but I can't say
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we love from the weekend? What'd we hate from the weekend?
Let's get to it.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
God?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I love you? And what did you hate? These play?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hay is.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
All right there, Dan Bayer, let's start with you. What
did you love from the weekend?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, it's amazing because last week I had a problem
with this song. We're still keeping. We're still keeping. The
love song is that they I got my hate for
the week.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
No, I will tell you Dan, I tried to get
an instrumental but they all sound like children's music and
it's no bueno.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
So you just gotta deal with this one.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And I hated using this song from the get go,
but it was a Beatles song and it was John Ramo,
so I didn't really want to send my you know, like, okay,
so you were towards it.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
If you were going to pick a something love song.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
I'll make some suggestions, okay, all right, Yeah, And so
then last week I brought it up and I said,
I just this just you know, with this song, I
just had to think it's just doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
So that was my That was from last week.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I give me love real quick.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I'm gonna make it long.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I watched Twosiers again last night and there's a scene
in Hoosiers where Norman Dale has taken over the team
and they are in their first practice and you know,
they aren't shooting Doug and what they're doing is they
are doing dribbling drills, rebounding drills. You know, they're running
in place. And when they're doing their running in place
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defensive drills, my son turns three next month started to
mimic them, Oh that's good, yes, and it was really
good yes, And so just you know, and the you
know didn't get the whistles on the you know, shifting,
but was was in that when the music was playing
and some of the upparts. He loved that. He was
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running around getting into that. So that was that was
amazing last night. I really really loved that.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Hmm, Jay STU, give me something you loved.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I was introduced to something that I very much love.
It might be my favorite part of sports right now.
It's a gentleman with a nickname care Abdul Jabbar cream
cream as in the old band that Eric Clapton was in,
and Kareem as an ice cream cream Abdul Jabbar is
Robbie a villa of Indiana State.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
It's a hard l so it's a villa, same thing.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Villa now Indiana State. I think was last relevant when
Larry Bird was there. I could be wrong, but they
lost to Drake yesterday. I think it is a big
deal because now Cream Abdul Jabbar might not be in
the tournament, but that would be sad because I went
down a rabbit hole this weekend and if I'm going
to go down a rabbit hole, then they better make
the tournament. Robbie Avila, a villa has several nicknames, Kareem
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Abdul Jabbar being my favorite of all time. Larry Nerd
is another one, College Jokic, Larry Blurred. His personal favorite
is rob Wave because he loves roadway.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Blurred because of the goggles.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Right, yes, hey, Larry Blurd, Larry Nerd so.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Good, steph Blurry and milk Chamberawe, milk Chamber one. I
just love all those. They're so fun and I hope
he makes the tournament.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I hope in Yes Day makes m Larina sent me
Love in thee.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
That was fantastic. You know, there's a couple of things
I love this weekend. It was just such a great
weekend altogether. I went to the movies. I got to
have popcorn, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
What was so imaginary? Right? I did?
Speaker 9 (21:25):
I took my daughter, who's eleven, to go see Imaginary.
It's made by the same people that made Megan and
Five Nights at Freddy's. So it's a child scary movie.
But I'm the one who was covering my eyes the
whole time.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I'm ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
My Hayes went and he loved it, and he went
with his mom. I can't do I can't do scary.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
This one's PG. Thirteen. You might be able to do
this one, Doug.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
No thanks, no thanks. What I love for this weekend? Gosh,
so many things that I love this weekend. I'll tell
you something I loved. I got a chance to call
the Big South champion and the conference tournament champions is Longwood.
And I know again it's always been a school that
(22:08):
I've made fun of, Like I have no idea where
Longwood is, but obviously better be a good golf school
just south of Richmond. Their head coach that got himed
Griff Aldrich Griff Aldrich Griff was a practicing and successful
attorney in Houston in the oil and gas world. Okay,
(22:28):
he's lifelong friends with Ryan Odom, who Ryan Odam of
course was head is the head coach at VCU. Now,
he was the head coach at Utah State before that
at UMBC, which is where Griff joined him. It's just
the idea that a guy was making good money six
figures in Houston as a lawyer and he went to
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be the director of basketball ops for his lifetime friend
because he loves hoop. He loves hoop, So I just
I love that. And then it's always interesting when you
have a dream or a goal and maybe you don't
accomplish it, but you still end up the better because
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you had it, went after it. Saturday night, I got
a chance to broadcast the Duke Carolina game at Cameron
Indoor Stadium, and I was walking up to our perch.
You know, the billis and Dan Shulman are in this
like catbird seat right at mid court, but the radio
is in like the corner, which I actually love. It's
(23:34):
a good spot, but there's literally nowhere else to put it.
Put you in that building. And I was walking up
there and they have the retired jerseys, and I saw
Bobby Hurley's jersey and I had a moment. It was
a little bit emotional because when I was a kid,
if you would ask me, all right, where's the one
place you want to play and the one guy you
want to play like, it would be I wanted to
play at Duke, and I wanted to be the next
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Bobby Hurley. And as luck or bad lie luck would
have it, you know, they had Steve Bojahowski was a
freshman when I was a senior in high school. They
didn't back then and even now, you don't really recruit
a point guard every year unless you're losing guys one
and done whatever, and so they had an older point
guard as well. It might have been Jeff Kple anyway.
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So I was never offered a scholarship by Duke, and
I was thinking like that was my hope and dream
and goal. And though I was offered scholarships by and
UCLA and Michigs State, whatever, how I ended up. Where
I ended up was life changing and probably a better
fit for me. Right, I don't know. I just I
just love life's journey for a minute. All right, let's
(24:40):
get to what we hated over the weekend. It's a
lot more fun, a lot more diabolical, and it's a
lot more Jason Stewart, you just have hate oozing through
your body. Give me what you hated from the weekend.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
I do.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
And I hated seeing the reaction to John Cena. Now
this is Lucy related. John Cena is a professional rest or,
at least he was. I was watching the Oscars last
night and they did this bit where John Cena comes
out naked to hand out an award. It was funny,
it seemed pretty harmless. John Cena's forty six years old,
(25:14):
as I recently found out. We'll get to it a
little bit more in detail in the podcast. But the
reaction on Twitter from the far right, the conspiracy theories
is that John Cena is the most recent example of
a satanic humiliation ploy by everyone who runs Hollywood. It
(25:36):
was disturbing because you want to go on Twitter and
you want to find all this reaction to a naked
guy in the Oscars and it just comes becomes this
political nonsense. But John Cena, my bottom line take on
this is if I looked like John Cena, I would
never wear clothes ever, So take that you right wing cabal,
(25:58):
conspiracy theortist.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Can I help?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Can I?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Can I piggyback on that one? Of course, if you
believe that John Cena naked at the Oscars is an
active humiliation that somehow is brought on by what's the illuminati? Illuminati,
you're one of the dumber human beings on earth. By
the way, Elon, and this one's on you, bud Okay,
(26:23):
you become an Internet troll, and because you've allowed anybody
who wants to pay money to have a blue check.
No one knows what's real and what's not real. No
one knows what's real or not real. So there are
people that actually think that's true. And if you think
that's true, you shouldn't be able to vote, purchase firearm,
(26:47):
have children, and definitely shouldn't be able to spout known
false conspiracies to the rest of the world. But apparently
in twenty twenty four you can Dan Byer, what do
you got?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
You know, this may be very minute, and I just
I feel like I'm the last to the party. But
this past weekend, Scotty Scheffler won the Arnold Palmer Invitational
and he's the number one ranked player in the world.
Live golf was in Hong Kong. Anthony Kim shot sixty
five and none of it mattered. And that's and I
know this has been talked about in the world of
(27:21):
golf over the last month, but there is just there
is not a buzz to golf because of the fractureing
golf and neither party is winning. I mean the PGA
Tour and the changes that they're making, and you're even
hearing players talk and it's just getting further and further
away from what made golf great. Guess what, it's Players
Championship Week. Not that every sports fan would know that,
but it's one of the landmark weeks on the Golf channel,
(27:44):
you know, on the Golf channel and in the world
of golf.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And I don't know if anybody really cares.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And you've got a Master's coming up, you know, in
less in about a month's time, and so yeah, it
just that stinks. I was hoping that maybe a win
by Scotty Scheffler would would gain some of the momentum,
and it just didn't. And I just wonder where we
go in professional golf because right now nothing is interesting
(28:10):
and there's just a lot of negativity.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Lorena, some you hate it from the weekend.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
Well, Doug, this week weekend I realized I need to
be a sports better. Okay, my friend put fifty dollars
down on the four basketball games this weekend and walked
away with over seven hundred dollars in winnings. And I
was like, you know what, I spent fifty dollars on
this weekend, a cold lobster roll that I was not
even pleased with.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
What a waste of money. I need to do better.
That's what made me mad.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Doug. If you just listen to the podcast that follows
this show where I give a pick of the day,
you would basically, like on a ninety five percent hit rate,
you'd make money every day.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Well, see, then I need to I just need to
make sure I do.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You're here when we when we read, I hear it all.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I just don't do it. That's what I'm saying. I'm
mad at myself.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Press press send, I love it, Just just press send. Boy,
there's a lot that I hate over the weekend. I
hated that idiot brother hopping over the score table, okay
to defend like his sister, Like, dude, this is not
AU basketball, and by the way, a AU basketball, stay
(29:16):
off the court. I just it was. It was. It
was the biggest clown show I'd ever seen, clown show
between LSU and USC, especially that the official, the female official,
who like walked away from the players getting into like, no,
that's actually your job to that's like a fire and
fire going doing the Costanza out of my way. But
(29:40):
the thing I hate the most is, Okay, so we
it's such a weird when you step out, step out
of the of the bubble that is the NCAA Tournament. Okay,
because all the arguments that those of US basketball nerds
make is Indiana State, who played in the Missouri Valley,
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which is not nearly as good as the old Missouri
Valley because it's lost witch toa State and Creighton and
Saint Louis and Tulsa and you know, all the traditional
powers there. But it's still a good league. Indiana State wins,
the league, has a great season, loses in an unbelievable comeback,
competitive game, against Drake, and so now we're trying to
(30:24):
go all right, just should Indiana State get in? Or
should Seten Hall get in? Or should Saint John's get in? Right,
a bigger school and a bigger conference who played bigger
name opponents but lost to them in the non conference,
beats some bad teams in their conference, beats some good
teams in their conference, loses equally as well. Should that's
(30:44):
the argument we make. Meanwhile, we have these other tournaments
that no one's ever heard of, and literally, you can
win your league by five or six games, lose one game,
and the team that was crappy all season gets to
play in the NCAA tournament and the team that it
was good all season does not. I just hate how
inequitable it is. You should be rewarded with a great season,
(31:07):
not with a good seed in your conference tournament. You
should automatically get to advance to the NCAA term. Every
league should have this very simple rule. Play everybody in
your league twice. I don't care how many team as
you got. Play everybody in your league twice, and whoever
wins that should automatically go to the NCAA term. That's
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Speaker 1 (32:37):
Let's welcome in Michael Lombardi. He hosts the Lombardi Line
on VSIN That's VSI. And of course he's written a book,
written books on on on leadership in NFL football. You
got to pick those up and read them. And of
course he joins us now. Michael Lombardi, former NFLGM, three
times Super Bowl winning executive, joined us on the Doug
Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start with quarterback.
(33:00):
The Kirk Cousins move. Let's start from them from the
Atlanta Falcons perspective. Right, you bring in a young, inexperienced
play caller in Zach Robinson, but he comes from the
same kind of mode as where Kirk played before. So
in terms of fit and money. As a former general manager,
what do you think of the Kirk Cousins deal in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, I mean Atlanta certainly struggled. They won seven games
last year. Quarterbacking position was the root cause of a
lot of their issues. Although sometimes at the end of
the year they lost the game in the two minute
drill against Tampa, Baker took them down the field. In
the last two games, they couldn't play any defense. So
I think for me, it's, you know, it's the first step.
(33:44):
I think Atlanta feels like they're just one player away,
but I knowing the way the NFL is, you're never
just one player away. So for me, I think you
just have to you know, it's a step in the
right direction. They've got to have to get their skilled
players to play at a higher level. Kyle Pitts was
injured last year, didn't play anywhere near where I think
(34:04):
he's capable of playing. You know, Drake London's a good player,
doesn't really take the top. They're not a fast defense, right,
They're not a fast defense at all. So offense, so
they're going to have to do that. Vjon's a great player,
but I think there's a lot of things that they
can improve on.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Okay, what about Minnesota. The running rumor is, hey, we'll
go get Sam Donald as a stop gap. They picked
up Aaron Jones as a running back, and you re
signed Justin Jefferson. Do you like that plan for the Vikings?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Well, I like the fact that they you know, they
lose Danielle Hunter, and they got Jonathan Gnnard, who's a
really good player, to take his spot, and they got
him on a cheap, a cheaper deal than it would
have cost ten million dollars cheaper they got Andrew van Winkel.
They opened up some cap room, right because they've been
hostage to Kirk Cousins for so long that they've not
been able to really do much maneuvering or because he's
(35:01):
taking all the money, and so I think that they
were able to and now they get Aaron Jones to
go in their backfield. Look, it's not perfect. I expect
those probably try to find a quarterback. You have a
head coach as a quarterback coach, you expect him to
to be able to look for a quarterback and develop one.
But I think they got to the point where they
were very tired of being in Kirk Cousins jail. Because
(35:21):
let me about Kirk Cousins back. You know, he's a
really good player, never wins big games, but he takes
all the money. He leaves no change on the table.
I mean, if he was at a dinner table, I
don't know if he passed assault. Because he's just perfect.
He's going to take all the money. And when you
take all the money, there's not a lot of money
to have depth on the team when you're the quarterback.
We've seen this before. Guys take lesser deals at quarterbacks
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because they know how important it is for the team
to have good players.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I agree with you, which is why now Pat Mahomes
took a big contract, but he's restructured twice. Is that
what you're talking about in terms of freeing up money
and what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Pat Mahomes a different gog Tott Mahomes wins games. Pat
Mahomes wins championship games. Pat Mahomes has got batters under
his name. Pat Mahomes is going to be in the
top ten players of all time. That's different. You can't
overpay Tot Mahomes, right, But when you don't win on
Monday Night football, when you don't win the big games,
you know, then that's an issue. Right, you can't get paid.
You know. The worst thing you can do in any
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sport is pay good players great money. And look, I
think Kirk Cousins a really good player, and I admire
him for taking all the money. But look when they don't,
when they don't win because they're hamstrung by the cap.
Don't blame, don't blame, don't blame the team. I mean
he kind of hinders what you do. And you know
he's not been able to win those good games. I mean, look, Minnesota,
(36:41):
they were good, they had good teams. They just weren't
good enough. And he had apple opportunity to do it.
I think Minnesota just got to the point where they said,
you know what, we love Kurt. We wish we had them,
but we don't have any cap flexibility when we have them.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Doug Gotlieb Show, You're on Thoughts Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Michael Lombardi. Michael Russell. Wilson signs a minimum
deal with the Steelers. Does that make sense.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
To you, Well, he was going to sign a minimum deal,
whether it was the Steelers, whether it was any team.
No team was going to take the Broncos off the
hook for that ridiculous contract. So that was easy. And
you know, the Steelers did not tell him he was
going to be the starter. They told him he could
come in and compete. One thing about the quarterback position
in the NFL, there's not many jobs that you know,
are open usually the teams like the guy. Right, you
(37:30):
know he went and visited New York. I don't think
New York was going to say you can beat out
Daniel Jones. I think New York was kicking the tires
because they're a little bit worried that maybe Daniel Jones
isn't quite ready for you know, he's a head of
schedule in terms of his rehabs. So for me, you know,
where else was he going to go? The Raiders didn't
express any interest. They chose Gardner Minshew and guaranteed him
(37:51):
fifteen million to doll it. So you know where else
was he going to be able to go? That's the question.
Where else could he have gone? That's why I think
he made the quick decision to do what he did,
because it was important that he got that done.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Stug Otleave Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, the
running back market, the running back mark. Let's start with
Saquon Barkley. Do you like the numbers that Philadelphia gave him?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well, look, I think Philly was going to do everything
in their power to make sure that Jalen Hurts is
a good player. I think they're protecting their investment in Hurts,
which is the smart thing to do, right, So they
went ahead and they the two years ago when Miles
Sanders was an effective player, they ran the ball really well,
and I think ultimately that's what they decided they needed
to get back to. They needed a better player. Not
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that Deroonde Swift wasn't a good player. They needed somebody
a little bit more with more zip to them, and
I think Barkley gives them that. Now, he's got to
stay healthy, but for the price that they paid, I mean, look,
he's going to carry the ball two hundred times, he's
going to be involved in the passing game, and he's
going to make their play action pass game really effective.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Okay, But now with that said, do you like Derek
what looks like a one year, nine million dollar deal.
Does he fit with how Baltimore wants to play?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Oh? He fits perfect with Baltimore and Baltimore wants to
be on the ground, you know. And I think even
more so, it allows Lamar to being shotgun out a
shotgun because Jerry Henry is a better runner. He is
a much better runner when he can when he's in
the deep eye set in the quarterbacks under center, and
then that opens up a whole play action pass game.
Remember there's only one play in football that the quarterback
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blocks somebody, and that's the bootleg or naked Somebody's got
to run out there with them. Somebody's got to cover him,
whether he has the ball or not. They think he
has the ball. So with Henry in the backfield, you've
got to defend the run. And I still think he's
really a good player.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Josh Jacobs to Green Bay. They get younger, but they
were pretty good at running back before. They want him
to take a pay cut proves him. What do you
think of Josh Jacobs in Green Bay? And that fit well.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I think what they did was combine the power that
they liked with aj Dillon and the athleticism that they
loved the Baron Jones in the passing game, and they
got it in one player and Josh Jacobs. Jush aadops
a really good back, hard to tackle, and he's really
good in the passing game. He wasn't able to show
as much as he could in the passing game as
I think he's capable of doing. But I really believe
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that he is a dynamic runner, and he's a dynamic
in the passing game and it's a one year contract
at fourteen point eight million. It's a series of one
year deals. So Green Bay said, look, they watched their
team last year at the end of the year where
they had Aaron Jones really going, they were playing effectively,
and once he did that, once they were going there,
I think ultimately, you know, they decided if we got
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a blue shit player here, somebody is really hard to tackle,
somebody that you can really create problems for the defense.
This opens up the receivers for these young receivers we have.
Rhenbe is a good young team.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, they really are. Michael Lombardi joined US three time
executive on a Super Bowl champion team. Of course you
can you can watch the Lombardi listen to the Lombardi
line on VSEN It's d SI, and fall them on
social media. Pick up his books. You just learn so
much about football and leadership and how the best of
the best have been the best of the best for years,
(41:13):
going back to his days in San Francisco and of
course working with Bill Belichick. All right, let me let
me let me just ask you when you look at
these teams, what's the team that you go what are
they doing? I don't understand what they're doing. What's the
team that jumps out to you so far?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I think Carolina. You know, they've made so many mistakes
they keep compounding them. You know, I thought they had
a good young defense at one time, and now they
get rid of Brian Burns for what a second and
the fifth round pick. Now, I know they didn't want
to pay him, but they could have kept him for
in the franchise tag for another year. You know, people say, well,
they've added guards to their team. I mean, their defense
is not very good. They don't have a lot of
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draft picks. I just don't know what the one thing
about free agency, I think you see what the plan is, right?
What is the plan right? You know, what are we
trying to accomplish? And I don't see a plan out
of Carolina.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, that was That's exactly what I'm wondering, because that's
what And I try and talk to people like yourself
that really know football, and you know, usually lines up
in terms of playing chargers, making a bunch of cuts, right,
making a bunch of cuts, trying to move off some
of these big contracts. How long do you think Harbaugh
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gets that thing where he wants it.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Oh. I think it's going to be a work in progress.
But what he's going to do is he's going to
get the toughness of the team. You know, he's going
to make the team tougher immediately. That's who he is.
But look, you know, Mike Williams is a really good player.
But Mike Williams has been hurt most of his career.
It's problematic, you know. And you know he had a chance.
I mean, I thought they may make a move with
Keenan Allen because Keenan Allen, Mike Williams puts the ball
(42:52):
in the end zone, but he's coming off in a
cl I don't know the mac at that number. You
knew they were. That was a really I thought a
bad contract last year when they did it, because he's
not the same player that he once was. He's still
a good player, but he was willing to take some
sort of reduction which got him under the cap. I
think Harball is going to make a huge difference for
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a team, just because he's going to bring toughness and
common sense. They need common sense. That's a really important thing.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's not all that common either. Mike's common senses is
not all that common. Let me ask you about the
draft specifically JJ McCarthy, right, and you know, people talk about, well,
he's played in the pro system, he's played for Harball.
You know, he has more in him than we saw
(43:43):
in the pros in college. On the other hand, it's
really hard for those of us who who aren't evaluateds
like you are to go, Look, if he's that good
at quarterback. They played Penn State, they never they didn't
thought about once in the second half. What are your
thoughts on the quarter especially JJ McCarthy at the top
of this draft.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Well, I think if you watch his third down tape,
he's really good. He's quick minded, he throws the ball
with accuracy, he knows what he's doing when he can
play fast. You know, Look, I think you're going to
see Justin Herbert run the ball hell of a lot more.
Even as good as Justin Herbert is. I think that's Jim.
Jim has a certain way he wants to play the game,
control the game, you know, and I think he thought
his defense was good enough. Obviously it was they won
(44:25):
a national championship. Because you know, sometimes your clocks the
opponent more than the other team, So you don't have
to throw it. I mean, let the Penn State quarterback
throw it. He wasn't making any throws. Drew Aller wasn't
making any throws, so let him throw it. Why should
we give him the game? And I think that's ultimately
what happens. Look, the job of a scout is not
the grade the production. That's what fans do. They just
(44:46):
grade the production. You have to project the player to
the next level. If you graded Pat Mahomes production, that's
why people didn't see him as the next level player.
But the people that understood the game projected him out
and I think they saw what he could be in
pro football.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
He's the host of the Lombardi Line on Wison. Of course,
pick up his books fallm on social media, Michael Lombardi Michael,
thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Thanks Doug, byebye
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older is interesting because you get to a point in life.
I mean most people do. There's like two different times
there's one and some people call it the midlife crisis
or whatever. But you get to a point in your
life you're like, hmm, what if I did what I
want to do instead of what I'm getting paid to do.
I had a what I thought was a great podcast
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I recorded earlier today, and Guy's named Griff. Aldrich Griff
was a practicing attorney in Houston for fifteen years and
actually adopted three kids. They the firm took him to
London for a couple of years. They came back to Houston.
He was coaching AU basketball and he missed hoop and
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so he now is the head coach at Longwood. They've
won twenty games three consecutive years. They've gone to the
Now there's second nca term in three years. You can
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including the podcast hour for this show. And I think
we'll get into this a little bit. We'll get into
(01:53):
this a little bit more in the deeper into the podcast.
But I am the of When I say a basketball coach,
I think it's more to it than that. My late father,
from the time that he was still in college as
a walk on Ohio State, he wanted to coach. He
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loved basketball. He was probably not good enough, probably too small.
He's smaller than me. I'm not particularly big, and his
way into the game was through coaching. Through coaching, and
I don't know if it's who he was when he
was recruiting in college. I have attenmpty to believe it was.
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But my dad was one of these people who, maybe
you call it a romantic, but loved getting people an
opportunity to experience college. I felt like there is a
certain privilege to when you grew up in a family
where college is not a question. You know, both of
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my parents were college educated, and so because of it,
in my house growing up as a kid, it wasn't
are you going to go to college? It was what
college you're going to go to? And then what college
can we afford to send you to. It's not that
way with everybody. It's not a lot of it depends
upon you know their family and how they were raised
(03:21):
and their socioeconomic background. But his goal was to just
get kids a chance, get him to play in college,
and get them off to a better life because college does,
in fact work. And I understand that there have been
plenty of people that have had successful lives and careers
(03:42):
that haven't done college. And it is not for every person,
but for most people, I think it's great. It's great,
it's a chance to be an adult, but you still
have the guardrails of being a kid. It's a chance
to live on your own, but it's you know, if
you live in the dorm, you know, if you might
(04:03):
have a roommate, you might not. You're not paying for
your cable, you're not paying for your air, you're not
paying for the gas bill, you know. So it's kind
of an in between stage sort of thing. And obviously
college sports has turned to I think what anyone would
deem some form of professional avenue, a professional avenue, And
(04:31):
I don't know if you would say it's pure professional
because there's a lot of things missing from it. You know,
you are the benefits you receive while playing, not the
nil that's tax but the benefits those aren't taxed. Okay,
you're treated far better than you're treated in the real world.
There's limited hours in which they can have you, and
(04:51):
being a student and having freedom is all part of it,
where when it's a real work environment, none of that
comes into play. But we've definitely taken a turn, and
I think it's fascinating if you think about it this way.
This is Nick Saban. He was on Capitol Hill earlier today.
Here's what he said about college sports.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
All the things that I believed in for all these years.
Fifty years of coaching no longer exist in college athletics.
So it's always about developing players. It was always about
helping people maybe more successful in life. My wife even
said to me, we'd have all the recruits over on
Sunday with their parents for breakfast, and she would always
(05:35):
meet with the mothers and talk about how she was
going to help and impact their sons and how they
would be well taken care of. And she came to me,
you know, like right before I retired, and said, why
are we doing this? And I said, what do you mean?
She said, all they care about is how much you're
going to pay them. They don't care about how you're
going to develop them, which is what we've always done.
(05:57):
So why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
So when you hear that, I know your reaction. I
know what your reaction is. Your reaction is going to be, well, Nick,
if you really wanted that, why'd you make eleven million
dollars your last couple of years when you're at Alabama.
My argument would be he's been underpaid for a long time.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I actually think that college football and basketball coaches they
receive probably two to three times what they should. But
it's an evening out of the fact that we compensate
our teachers way below the level of their importance, way below.
(06:51):
When you look at beginning teaching salaries, why would anybody
go into teaching? You know, imagine yourself, by the way,
if you're a college to college apple plate and you're
making you know, anywhere from fifty sixty to one hundred
and fifty maybe two hundred thousand dollars, and somebody said, well,
if you get done, why don't you teach coach at
a high school? Not cool? What do I make forty
(07:16):
forty five? Yeah, no, I'm not going to do that.
But the starting salaries from many jobs right at that level,
I think why you get into a profession. And some
people lose sight of that, but I think that what
Nick Saban is saying is what so many of these
coaches feel. I get that I'm making a lot of money.
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I've worked for fifty years to get to that money, Okay,
and I'm in charge of, you know, really one hundred
and fifty two hundred people when a college football program,
and oh yeah, by the way, my success or failure
also kind of determines the success or failure of admissions.
Alabama's a perfect example, Fred Door. The university is a
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football program, and when Alabama's football has been good, the
school has taken off. There is not a player that
has that much of an effect, nor are they there
long enough, nor have they earned that much of respect.
And I've had lots of people say, hey, you're just
an anti player, guy, You're a shield for the system,
(08:22):
like numb not. I thought players have always been compensated
with their scholarship, room board tuition, and I love cost
of attendance. I think that's great. I would love for
there to be a way for real anil to exist.
But it doesn't. It becomes pay for play. And what
happens when you make something about money? It only becomes
about money. And not enough people have the long term
(08:47):
view of what true development of a player, true development
of the human being matters. They just don't. It's how quickly,
how much? How quickly can I make a buck? How
much can I make doing it? Saban speaking the truth. Man,
(09:08):
We've had this wonderful thing that wasn't perfect. But she
can't make things perfect. There is no perfect thing. There
are no perfect people. And our effort to somehow even
the playing field where the student makes as much as
the school, which will never happen. This is what we got.
(09:30):
This is what we got, and it sucks because college
football is great and getting the playoffs should make it
even better, and college basketball is awesome and the nca
term it's the best time of year. But this, sadly
is what everyone in the sport tells me. It's about
It's no longer about the relationships. It's no longer about
the school. It's no longer about systems and how I'm
(09:52):
used and how I can grow and how can improve
and what I can count on for the next fifty years.
You know, it's instead of like what can I get now?
And if I can't get what I want now from you,
where can I get what I want now? Buyer? Do you?
I mean, I'm sure we're gonna you know, we get well.
(10:15):
He'll get besieged on this on social media by by
calling him a hypocrite because he makes a bunch of money.
But I gave you my side of it. You love
college sports as much as I do. What do you
think of what Saban said?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I I understand completely why he uh why he got
out of it, and it's it's a lot of places
across the board, which is funny because of how we
thought what we thought this was going to turn into
has been like Pandora's box. It's just been completely all
over the place. Like if you go back to us, say,
(10:52):
I don't know what five years ago, all right, let's
let's let's give the athletes something. Well, there's only going
to be you know, certain athletes that end up, you know,
making money. So those are the ones who are going
to pay at least we can, we can compensate them.
I think that was one of the general thoughts. Well
that didn't necessarily turn out there were more than just
maybe a couple players here or there. I thought at
(11:14):
one point, Doug, that the players who would say go
to Alabama and maybe you're a backup lineman, that hey,
I can make some money here in Tuscaloosa. I could
go down to the car dealership and make some money
and that will be awesome. But that's not the case.
What they're saying is I can make a lot more
money if I go to you know, Starkville, or if
I go and transfer to you know, ames, Iowa, where
(11:35):
I'm going to get playing time. So that's now through
a different wrench in to it. It is so far
from what we thought or what it could be when
we had good intentions that it's ruined a lot, and
it's forced not only Nick Saban, but so many others
just out of this game. And I know college basketball
had different, you know, things to deal with, especially transfer
(11:55):
wise and whatnot, but it's still the same in football
and to appease the player, and it's no longer about
building a team. And Alabama was a team that honestly
kept a lot of the guys. They didn't have a
ton of guys that would leave early. That have more
guys that would stay than maybe some of the other
top programs. Uh yeah, I agree with them.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah. Well I never thought the nil would end up
being the romantic view of it as you did. I
just I knew once, you know, once people got a
chance to legally pay players, I did not think it
would spin to I think what what coaches have the
biggest issue with is what coaches had the biggest issue
(12:33):
with is that guys that can't play get made. Sure,
you know, but it's I mean, honestly, I don't even
think the pay would be the issue as much as
the lack of accountability and the ability to just move
to another school.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
I also, I also think that we thought that a
school like Alabama would reap the benefits of this sort
of system, right. And now I'm not saying that they
aren't better off than maybe others, but the stuff that
Nick Saban talked about, I mean, we would think that
maybe Alabama would be better off, they'd be able to
pay more of their players that would want the money
(13:15):
than maybe a smaller school. And yet these program these
schools are still dealing with the you know, the same
sort of problem, even at the top of the food chain.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah, it's I agree with you. I think what it's
done is it has spread guys out along the sec whatever.
But you know, the beauty to college athletics, believe it
or not, is the whole kind of growth process of
taking in a boy and spitting out a man. And
you use sports as a way to do that, right,
(13:50):
And you come in and everybody has thoughts and hopes
of playing professionally and of starring right away and being
and some guys are on that path. Some guys the
path is sometimes their body lets them down. Sometimes are
just not as good. Sometimes they were you know, early early,
early growers, and sometimes guys are late growers or late
bloomers whatever. But you come in, you earn it, and
(14:12):
you work and work and work, and eventually by your
junior and senior year you're like a team cap and
you're a leader, and just that whole process has been disrupted,
and it is it. I don't think we end up
producing the best humans out of it. You know, that's
a long time ago. When I was in first started
in national radio, I was with Chuck Wilson, and Chuck
(14:34):
pulled me aside one time and said, Hey, do me
a favor. As you rise in this profession. Don't take
a job because of the money. I don't take a
job because of money. And I would say a good
ninety percent of these jobs that guys are taking are
simply because of the money.
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We talk about these contracts. Andrew Brand's gonna join us
upcoming in like twenty five minutes and we'll talk about
the Saquon Barkley deal, what it actually means for running
back free agents in the future. And of course the
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the Pro Football Business Hall of Famer Kirk Cousins has
done it again. More money for Kirk. Mo money Mo money,
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Speaker 7 (16:13):
Yep, you lost me, Doug.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, there was this show. There was a show called
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they call a variety show, and it gave us Paula
Abdul right, did didn't she coordinate the dancers? That's what
that was the birth of Paula abdul Is, the she
became a pop star, Jim Carrey, the Wayans Brothers. There
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was all kinds of stuff on that, but they also
had Homie to clown right Fire Marshall Bill. Sorry, I'm
dating myself, but that was a did you were you guys?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Buyer?
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Were you into uh in Living Color at all? It's
like Sunday Nights, wasn't it?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, and again I think there was on Fox, so
we didn't have a Fox affiliate, so it was actually
tough to get a lot of the early shows. But
I do remember some of them, but I can't say
that I was a a huge fan.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It was like Chappelle before Chappelle. Is that fair, Jason?
Speaker 8 (17:18):
I think so I missed that. I wasn't a big
fan a variety show guy.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I'm not a big variety show fan either, but it
was like it was kind of like it was a
it was a hipper Saturday Night Live that I think
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we love from the weekend? What'd we hate from the weekend?
Let's get to it.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
What did you love?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
God?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I love you? And what did you hate? These play?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Hay is.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
All right there, Dan Bayer, let's start with you. What
did you love from the weekend?
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, it's amazing because last week I had a problem
with this song. We're still keeping. We're still keeping. The
love song is that they I got my hate for
the week.
Speaker 9 (18:17):
No, I will tell you Dan, I tried to get
an instrumental but they all sound like children's music and
it's no bueno.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
So you just gotta deal with this one.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And I hated using this song from the get go,
but it was a Beatles song and it was John Ramo,
so I didn't really want to send my you know, like, okay,
so you were towards it.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
If you were going to pick a something love song.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
I'll make some suggestions, okay, all right, Yeah, And so
then last week I brought it up and I said,
I just this just you know, with this song, I
just had to think it's just doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
So that was my That was from last week.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I give me love real quick.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
I'm gonna make it long.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I watched Twosiers again last night and there's a scene
in Hoosiers where Norman Dale has taken over the team
and they are in their first practice and you know,
they aren't shooting Doug and what they're doing is they
are doing dribbling drills, rebounding drills. You know, they're running
in place. And when they're doing their running in place
(19:19):
defensive drills, my son turns three next month started to
mimic them, Oh that's good, yes, and it was really
good yes, And so just you know, and the you
know didn't get the whistles on the you know, shifting,
but was was in that when the music was playing
and some of the upparts. He loved that. He was
(19:40):
running around getting into that. So that was that was
amazing last night. I really really loved that.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Hmm, Jay STU, give me something you loved.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
I was introduced to something that I very much love.
It might be my favorite part of sports right now.
It's a gentleman with a nickname care Abdul Jabbar cream
cream as in the old band that Eric Clapton was in,
and Kareem as an ice cream cream Abdul Jabbar is
Robbie a villa of Indiana State.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
It's a hard l so it's a villa, same thing.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
Villa now Indiana State. I think was last relevant when
Larry Bird was there. I could be wrong, but they
lost to Drake yesterday. I think it is a big
deal because now Cream Abdul Jabbar might not be in
the tournament, but that would be sad because I went
down a rabbit hole this weekend and if I'm going
to go down a rabbit hole, then they better make
the tournament. Robbie Avila, a villa has several nicknames, Kareem
(20:41):
Abdul Jabbar being my favorite of all time. Larry Nerd
is another one, College Jokic, Larry Blurred. His personal favorite
is rob Wave because he loves roadway.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Blurred because of the goggles.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Right, yes, hey, Larry Blurd, Larry Nerd so.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
Good, steph Blurry and milk Chamberawe, milk Chamber one. I
just love all those. They're so fun and I hope
he makes the tournament.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I hope in Yes Day makes m Larina sent me
Love in thee.
Speaker 9 (21:16):
That was fantastic. You know, there's a couple of things
I love this weekend. It was just such a great
weekend altogether. I went to the movies. I got to
have popcorn, Like.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
What was so imaginary? Right? I did?
Speaker 9 (21:25):
I took my daughter, who's eleven, to go see Imaginary.
It's made by the same people that made Megan and
Five Nights at Freddy's. So it's a child scary movie.
But I'm the one who was covering my eyes the
whole time.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I'm ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
My Hayes went and he loved it, and he went
with his mom. I can't do I can't do scary.
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (21:44):
This one's PG. Thirteen. You might be able to do
this one, Doug.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
No thanks, no thanks. What I love for this weekend? Gosh,
so many things that I love this weekend. I'll tell
you something I loved. I got a chance to call
the Big South champion and the conference tournament champions is Longwood.
And I know again it's always been a school that
(22:08):
I've made fun of, Like I have no idea where
Longwood is, but obviously better be a good golf school
just south of Richmond. Their head coach that got himed
Griff Aldrich Griff Aldrich Griff was a practicing and successful
attorney in Houston in the oil and gas world. Okay,
(22:28):
he's lifelong friends with Ryan Odom, who Ryan Odam of
course was head is the head coach at VCU. Now,
he was the head coach at Utah State before that
at UMBC, which is where Griff joined him. It's just
the idea that a guy was making good money six
figures in Houston as a lawyer and he went to
(22:49):
be the director of basketball ops for his lifetime friend
because he loves hoop. He loves hoop, So I just
I love that. And then it's always interesting when you
have a dream or a goal and maybe you don't
accomplish it, but you still end up the better because
(23:13):
you had it, went after it. Saturday night, I got
a chance to broadcast the Duke Carolina game at Cameron
Indoor Stadium, and I was walking up to our perch.
You know, the billis and Dan Shulman are in this
like catbird seat right at mid court, but the radio
is in like the corner, which I actually love. It's
(23:34):
a good spot, but there's literally nowhere else to put it.
Put you in that building. And I was walking up
there and they have the retired jerseys, and I saw
Bobby Hurley's jersey and I had a moment. It was
a little bit emotional because when I was a kid,
if you would ask me, all right, where's the one
place you want to play and the one guy you
want to play like, it would be I wanted to
play at Duke, and I wanted to be the next
(23:55):
Bobby Hurley. And as luck or bad lie luck would
have it, you know, they had Steve Bojahowski was a
freshman when I was a senior in high school. They
didn't back then and even now, you don't really recruit
a point guard every year unless you're losing guys one
and done whatever, and so they had an older point
guard as well. It might have been Jeff Kple anyway.
(24:19):
So I was never offered a scholarship by Duke, and
I was thinking like that was my hope and dream
and goal. And though I was offered scholarships by and
UCLA and Michigs State, whatever, how I ended up. Where
I ended up was life changing and probably a better
fit for me. Right, I don't know. I just I
just love life's journey for a minute. All right, let's
(24:40):
get to what we hated over the weekend. It's a
lot more fun, a lot more diabolical, and it's a
lot more Jason Stewart, you just have hate oozing through
your body. Give me what you hated from the weekend.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
I do.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
And I hated seeing the reaction to John Cena. Now
this is Lucy related. John Cena is a professional rest or,
at least he was. I was watching the Oscars last
night and they did this bit where John Cena comes
out naked to hand out an award. It was funny,
it seemed pretty harmless. John Cena's forty six years old,
(25:14):
as I recently found out. We'll get to it a
little bit more in detail in the podcast. But the
reaction on Twitter from the far right, the conspiracy theories
is that John Cena is the most recent example of
a satanic humiliation ploy by everyone who runs Hollywood. It
(25:36):
was disturbing because you want to go on Twitter and
you want to find all this reaction to a naked
guy in the Oscars and it just comes becomes this
political nonsense. But John Cena, my bottom line take on
this is if I looked like John Cena, I would
never wear clothes ever, So take that you right wing cabal,
(25:58):
conspiracy theortist.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Can I help?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Can I?
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Can I piggyback on that one? Of course, if you
believe that John Cena naked at the Oscars is an
active humiliation that somehow is brought on by what's the illuminati? Illuminati,
you're one of the dumber human beings on earth. By
the way, Elon, and this one's on you, bud Okay,
(26:23):
you become an Internet troll, and because you've allowed anybody
who wants to pay money to have a blue check.
No one knows what's real and what's not real. No
one knows what's real or not real. So there are
people that actually think that's true. And if you think
that's true, you shouldn't be able to vote, purchase firearm,
(26:47):
have children, and definitely shouldn't be able to spout known
false conspiracies to the rest of the world. But apparently
in twenty twenty four you can Dan Byer, what do
you got?
Speaker 4 (27:01):
You know, this may be very minute, and I just
I feel like I'm the last to the party. But
this past weekend, Scotty Scheffler won the Arnold Palmer Invitational
and he's the number one ranked player in the world.
Live golf was in Hong Kong. Anthony Kim shot sixty
five and none of it mattered. And that's and I
know this has been talked about in the world of
(27:21):
golf over the last month, but there is just there
is not a buzz to golf because of the fractureing
golf and neither party is winning. I mean the PGA
Tour and the changes that they're making, and you're even
hearing players talk and it's just getting further and further
away from what made golf great. Guess what, it's Players
Championship Week. Not that every sports fan would know that,
but it's one of the landmark weeks on the Golf channel,
(27:44):
you know, on the Golf channel and in the world
of golf.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
And I don't know if anybody really cares.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
And you've got a Master's coming up, you know, in
less in about a month's time, and so yeah, it
just that stinks. I was hoping that maybe a win
by Scotty Scheffler would would gain some of the momentum,
and it just didn't. And I just wonder where we
go in professional golf because right now nothing is interesting
(28:10):
and there's just a lot of negativity.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Lorena, some you hate it from the weekend.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
Well, Doug, this week weekend I realized I need to
be a sports better. Okay, my friend put fifty dollars
down on the four basketball games this weekend and walked
away with over seven hundred dollars in winnings. And I
was like, you know what, I spent fifty dollars on
this weekend, a cold lobster roll that I was not
even pleased with.
Speaker 7 (28:32):
What a waste of money. I need to do better.
That's what made me mad.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Doug. If you just listen to the podcast that follows
this show where I give a pick of the day,
you would basically, like on a ninety five percent hit rate,
you'd make money every day.
Speaker 7 (28:46):
Well, see, then I need to I just need to
make sure I do.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You're here when we when we read, I hear it all.
Speaker 7 (28:51):
I just don't do it. That's what I'm saying. I'm
mad at myself.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Press press send, I love it, Just just press send. Boy,
there's a lot that I hate over the weekend. I
hated that idiot brother hopping over the score table, okay
to defend like his sister, Like, dude, this is not
AU basketball, and by the way, a AU basketball, stay
(29:16):
off the court. I just it was. It was. It
was the biggest clown show I'd ever seen, clown show
between LSU and USC, especially that the official, the female official,
who like walked away from the players getting into like, no,
that's actually your job to that's like a fire and
fire going doing the Costanza out of my way. But
(29:40):
the thing I hate the most is, Okay, so we
it's such a weird when you step out, step out
of the of the bubble that is the NCAA Tournament. Okay,
because all the arguments that those of US basketball nerds
make is Indiana State, who played in the Missouri Valley,
(30:01):
which is not nearly as good as the old Missouri
Valley because it's lost witch toa State and Creighton and
Saint Louis and Tulsa and you know, all the traditional
powers there. But it's still a good league. Indiana State wins,
the league, has a great season, loses in an unbelievable comeback,
competitive game, against Drake, and so now we're trying to
(30:24):
go all right, just should Indiana State get in? Or
should Seten Hall get in? Or should Saint John's get in? Right,
a bigger school and a bigger conference who played bigger
name opponents but lost to them in the non conference,
beats some bad teams in their conference, beats some good
teams in their conference, loses equally as well. Should that's
(30:44):
the argument we make. Meanwhile, we have these other tournaments
that no one's ever heard of, and literally, you can
win your league by five or six games, lose one game,
and the team that was crappy all season gets to
play in the NCAA tournament and the team that it
was good all season does not. I just hate how
inequitable it is. You should be rewarded with a great season,
(31:07):
not with a good seed in your conference tournament. You
should automatically get to advance to the NCAA term. Every
league should have this very simple rule. Play everybody in
your league twice. I don't care how many team as
you got. Play everybody in your league twice, and whoever
wins that should automatically go to the NCAA term. That's
(31:28):
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Let's welcome in Michael Lombardi. He hosts the Lombardi Line
on VSIN That's VSI. And of course he's written a book,
written books on on on leadership in NFL football. You
got to pick those up and read them. And of
course he joins us now. Michael Lombardi, former NFLGM, three
times Super Bowl winning executive, joined us on the Doug
Gotlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's start with quarterback.
(33:00):
The Kirk Cousins move. Let's start from them from the
Atlanta Falcons perspective. Right, you bring in a young, inexperienced
play caller in Zach Robinson, but he comes from the
same kind of mode as where Kirk played before. So
in terms of fit and money. As a former general manager,
what do you think of the Kirk Cousins deal in Atlanta?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, I mean Atlanta certainly struggled. They won seven games
last year. Quarterbacking position was the root cause of a
lot of their issues. Although sometimes at the end of
the year they lost the game in the two minute
drill against Tampa, Baker took them down the field. In
the last two games, they couldn't play any defense. So
I think for me, it's, you know, it's the first step.
(33:44):
I think Atlanta feels like they're just one player away,
but I knowing the way the NFL is, you're never
just one player away. So for me, I think you
just have to you know, it's a step in the
right direction. They've got to have to get their skilled
players to play at a higher level. Kyle Pitts was
injured last year, didn't play anywhere near where I think
(34:04):
he's capable of playing. You know, Drake London's a good player,
doesn't really take the top. They're not a fast defense, right,
They're not a fast defense at all. So offense, so
they're going to have to do that. Vjon's a great player,
but I think there's a lot of things that they
can improve on.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Okay, what about Minnesota. The running rumor is, hey, we'll
go get Sam Donald as a stop gap. They picked
up Aaron Jones as a running back, and you re
signed Justin Jefferson. Do you like that plan for the Vikings?
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Well, I like the fact that they you know, they
lose Danielle Hunter, and they got Jonathan Gnnard, who's a
really good player, to take his spot, and they got
him on a cheap, a cheaper deal than it would
have cost ten million dollars cheaper they got Andrew van Winkel.
They opened up some cap room, right because they've been
hostage to Kirk Cousins for so long that they've not
been able to really do much maneuvering or because he's
(35:01):
taking all the money, and so I think that they
were able to and now they get Aaron Jones to
go in their backfield. Look, it's not perfect. I expect
those probably try to find a quarterback. You have a
head coach as a quarterback coach, you expect him to
to be able to look for a quarterback and develop one.
But I think they got to the point where they
were very tired of being in Kirk Cousins jail. Because
(35:21):
let me about Kirk Cousins back. You know, he's a
really good player, never wins big games, but he takes
all the money. He leaves no change on the table.
I mean, if he was at a dinner table, I
don't know if he passed assault. Because he's just perfect.
He's going to take all the money. And when you
take all the money, there's not a lot of money
to have depth on the team when you're the quarterback.
We've seen this before. Guys take lesser deals at quarterbacks
(35:43):
because they know how important it is for the team
to have good players.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I agree with you, which is why now Pat Mahomes
took a big contract, but he's restructured twice. Is that
what you're talking about in terms of freeing up money
and what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Pat Mahomes a different gog Tott Mahomes wins games. Pat
Mahomes wins championship games. Pat Mahomes has got batters under
his name. Pat Mahomes is going to be in the
top ten players of all time. That's different. You can't
overpay Tot Mahomes, right, But when you don't win on
Monday Night football, when you don't win the big games,
you know, then that's an issue. Right, you can't get paid.
You know. The worst thing you can do in any
(36:19):
sport is pay good players great money. And look, I
think Kirk Cousins a really good player, and I admire
him for taking all the money. But look when they don't,
when they don't win because they're hamstrung by the cap.
Don't blame, don't blame, don't blame the team. I mean
he kind of hinders what you do. And you know
he's not been able to win those good games. I mean, look, Minnesota,
(36:41):
they were good, they had good teams. They just weren't
good enough. And he had apple opportunity to do it.
I think Minnesota just got to the point where they said,
you know what, we love Kurt. We wish we had them,
but we don't have any cap flexibility when we have them.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Doug Gotlieb Show, You're on Thoughts Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Michael Lombardi. Michael Russell. Wilson signs a minimum
deal with the Steelers. Does that make sense.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
To you, Well, he was going to sign a minimum deal,
whether it was the Steelers, whether it was any team.
No team was going to take the Broncos off the
hook for that ridiculous contract. So that was easy. And
you know, the Steelers did not tell him he was
going to be the starter. They told him he could
come in and compete. One thing about the quarterback position
in the NFL, there's not many jobs that you know,
are open usually the teams like the guy. Right, you
(37:30):
know he went and visited New York. I don't think
New York was going to say you can beat out
Daniel Jones. I think New York was kicking the tires
because they're a little bit worried that maybe Daniel Jones
isn't quite ready for you know, he's a head of
schedule in terms of his rehabs. So for me, you know,
where else was he going to go? The Raiders didn't
express any interest. They chose Gardner Minshew and guaranteed him
(37:51):
fifteen million to doll it. So you know where else
was he going to be able to go? That's the question.
Where else could he have gone? That's why I think
he made the quick decision to do what he did,
because it was important that he got that done.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Stug Otleave Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, the
running back market, the running back mark. Let's start with
Saquon Barkley. Do you like the numbers that Philadelphia gave him?
Speaker 3 (38:18):
Well, look, I think Philly was going to do everything
in their power to make sure that Jalen Hurts is
a good player. I think they're protecting their investment in Hurts,
which is the smart thing to do, right, So they
went ahead and they the two years ago when Miles
Sanders was an effective player, they ran the ball really well,
and I think ultimately that's what they decided they needed
to get back to. They needed a better player. Not
(38:39):
that Deroonde Swift wasn't a good player. They needed somebody
a little bit more with more zip to them, and
I think Barkley gives them that. Now, he's got to
stay healthy, but for the price that they paid, I mean, look,
he's going to carry the ball two hundred times, he's
going to be involved in the passing game, and he's
going to make their play action pass game really effective.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Okay, But now with that said, do you like Derek
what looks like a one year, nine million dollar deal.
Does he fit with how Baltimore wants to play?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Oh? He fits perfect with Baltimore and Baltimore wants to
be on the ground, you know. And I think even
more so, it allows Lamar to being shotgun out a
shotgun because Jerry Henry is a better runner. He is
a much better runner when he can when he's in
the deep eye set in the quarterbacks under center, and
then that opens up a whole play action pass game.
Remember there's only one play in football that the quarterback
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blocks somebody, and that's the bootleg or naked Somebody's got
to run out there with them. Somebody's got to cover him,
whether he has the ball or not. They think he
has the ball. So with Henry in the backfield, you've
got to defend the run. And I still think he's
really a good player.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Josh Jacobs to Green Bay. They get younger, but they
were pretty good at running back before. They want him
to take a pay cut proves him. What do you
think of Josh Jacobs in Green Bay? And that fit well.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
I think what they did was combine the power that
they liked with aj Dillon and the athleticism that they
loved the Baron Jones in the passing game, and they
got it in one player and Josh Jacobs. Jush aadops
a really good back, hard to tackle, and he's really
good in the passing game. He wasn't able to show
as much as he could in the passing game as
I think he's capable of doing. But I really believe
(40:18):
that he is a dynamic runner, and he's a dynamic
in the passing game and it's a one year contract
at fourteen point eight million. It's a series of one
year deals. So Green Bay said, look, they watched their
team last year at the end of the year where
they had Aaron Jones really going, they were playing effectively,
and once he did that, once they were going there,
I think ultimately, you know, they decided if we got
(40:40):
a blue shit player here, somebody is really hard to tackle,
somebody that you can really create problems for the defense.
This opens up the receivers for these young receivers we have.
Rhenbe is a good young team.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, they really are. Michael Lombardi joined US three time
executive on a Super Bowl champion team. Of course you
can you can watch the Lombardi listen to the Lombardi
line on VSEN It's d SI, and fall them on
social media. Pick up his books. You just learn so
much about football and leadership and how the best of
the best have been the best of the best for years,
(41:13):
going back to his days in San Francisco and of
course working with Bill Belichick. All right, let me let
me let me just ask you when you look at
these teams, what's the team that you go what are
they doing? I don't understand what they're doing. What's the
team that jumps out to you so far?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I think Carolina. You know, they've made so many mistakes
they keep compounding them. You know, I thought they had
a good young defense at one time, and now they
get rid of Brian Burns for what a second and
the fifth round pick. Now, I know they didn't want
to pay him, but they could have kept him for
in the franchise tag for another year. You know, people say, well,
they've added guards to their team. I mean, their defense
is not very good. They don't have a lot of
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draft picks. I just don't know what the one thing
about free agency, I think you see what the plan is, right?
What is the plan right? You know, what are we
trying to accomplish? And I don't see a plan out
of Carolina.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, that was That's exactly what I'm wondering, because that's
what And I try and talk to people like yourself
that really know football, and you know, usually lines up
in terms of playing chargers, making a bunch of cuts, right,
making a bunch of cuts, trying to move off some
of these big contracts. How long do you think Harbaugh
(42:26):
gets that thing where he wants it.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Oh. I think it's going to be a work in progress.
But what he's going to do is he's going to
get the toughness of the team. You know, he's going
to make the team tougher immediately. That's who he is.
But look, you know, Mike Williams is a really good player.
But Mike Williams has been hurt most of his career.
It's problematic, you know. And you know he had a chance.
I mean, I thought they may make a move with
Keenan Allen because Keenan Allen, Mike Williams puts the ball
(42:52):
in the end zone, but he's coming off in a
cl I don't know the mac at that number. You
knew they were. That was a really I thought a
bad contract last year when they did it, because he's
not the same player that he once was. He's still
a good player, but he was willing to take some
sort of reduction which got him under the cap. I
think Harball is going to make a huge difference for
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a team, just because he's going to bring toughness and
common sense. They need common sense. That's a really important thing.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
It's not all that common either. Mike's common senses is
not all that common. Let me ask you about the
draft specifically JJ McCarthy, right, and you know, people talk about, well,
he's played in the pro system, he's played for Harball.
You know, he has more in him than we saw
(43:43):
in the pros in college. On the other hand, it's
really hard for those of us who who aren't evaluateds
like you are to go, Look, if he's that good
at quarterback. They played Penn State, they never they didn't
thought about once in the second half. What are your
thoughts on the quarter especially JJ McCarthy at the top
of this draft.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Well, I think if you watch his third down tape,
he's really good. He's quick minded, he throws the ball
with accuracy, he knows what he's doing when he can
play fast. You know, Look, I think you're going to
see Justin Herbert run the ball hell of a lot more.
Even as good as Justin Herbert is. I think that's Jim.
Jim has a certain way he wants to play the game,
control the game, you know, and I think he thought
his defense was good enough. Obviously it was they won
(44:25):
a national championship. Because you know, sometimes your clocks the
opponent more than the other team, So you don't have
to throw it. I mean, let the Penn State quarterback
throw it. He wasn't making any throws. Drew Aller wasn't
making any throws, so let him throw it. Why should
we give him the game? And I think that's ultimately
what happens. Look, the job of a scout is not
the grade the production. That's what fans do. They just
(44:46):
grade the production. You have to project the player to
the next level. If you graded Pat Mahomes production, that's
why people didn't see him as the next level player.
But the people that understood the game projected him out
and I think they saw what he could be in
pro football.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
He's the host of the Lombardi Line on Wison. Of course,
pick up his books fallm on social media, Michael Lombardi Michael,
thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (45:09):
Thanks Doug, byebye
Host
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