March 30, 2024 • 51 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the attention Caitlin Clark has gotten over the past year and how criticism of her actions and the actions of other women players is warranted, and the criticism does not come from a place of misogyny.
Doug speaks to Sweet 16 opponents in Tennessee's Rick Barnes and Creighton's Greg McDermott about their upcoming matchup and the season each team has had.
Doug explains why he believes Draymond Green is never going to change, especially due to the fact that Draymond's skill is eroding and he will continue to act out even more.
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
Actually, I'm really glad monsis here. And you have to
always kind of guard your words sometimes because people who
listen to show are like, well, Dan's not here.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
That means you're happy to dance like here.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
No.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
This topic, though, I do think, funnels right into Monsei,
who co hosts a show on weekends for us.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Good morning to you, Monty, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Of course, said Jay Stu's here, and our guy Iowa Sam,
this is actually I think we have the perfect crew
here for this discussion. Okay, for this discussion. Because Sam
is an Iowa guy, thus the name Iowa Sam like
literally a walking encyclopedia and fanboy of all things i
(01:26):
with the exception of Iowa's football offense, which will change
this football season.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So some people, though, have associated with Iowa State, and
I have to say, hey, no, I'm from Iowa City,
born and raised there, and I went to I'm a
lum of the University of Iowa. So I am black
and gold Iowa Sam.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Black and gold, black and yellow, black and yellows Pittsburgh, Okay.
And then Jay su who basically calls bs on everybody
kind of hates everybody, but it's because he sees through
the phoniness in so many people. Is that a fair
depiction of.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It, Yeah, don't. I don't hate anybody, but I will
be critical of things.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
He's not easily impressed.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Also good Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And then Moncey, who that's I like that.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
There are several different parts to why Monsey obviously being
a woman, and this is about women in sports, and
but it's also about like when you're new to cover
something on how how I'm gonna guess Moncy like when
you co host the show with Alex Curry on weekends.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Right, because it's too.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Because because you're women, you're always I don't know if
you feel compelled or pushed to always talk about things
having to do with women and always take the woman's side.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's like I'll give you to the snap shot when
you're Jewish, Like, do you always have to take the
Jewish side?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Like Nick? I can have my own egg.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Not.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't agree with everything, yep.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
I think I'm more that I do want to talk
about women, maybe not as much that I take their
side just automatically, but I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yes, so have you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I would guess that most of us have watched some
part of Caitlin Clark here, especially recently she when she's
broken through records. Now they're playing in the NCAA tournament
and the Monday night game, which first time in my
life ever, I was at a bar and I was like, hey,
can you put the Iowa game on? And he's like
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nice and I was like, no, the Iowa Women's game on.
Put it on, and everybody like turned around. So there's
a couple of things going on here at once it
was the highest rated game on cable over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And why that matters.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It like, it's a little bit skewed because though the
men's tournament is on cable, okay one, it's with exception
of the first game I think Saturday. The cable games
are when there's multiple usually multiple games going on, and
let's be honest, between TBS and TNT, but especially TBS
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and True TV, those are not traditional landing spots for
sports viewers. ESPN is in addition to which that highly
rated game was on Monday, it was running unopposed. There's
no Major League Baseball that matters as of yet. There's
no NFL football, there's no college football, there's no men's
men's NCAA tournament. There were NBA games, but not on
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ESPN and not on T n T at the time.
So there's a little skewing of the numbers. But the
basic elements to it are people are infatuated with the
Caitlyn Clark story. And if you want to be in
denial of all the different layers of it, fine, Okay,
does the fact that that that she's playing at Iowa,
which has been a good program for a long time,
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But I had no idea it was a good program. Again, Sam,
did you you're an Iowa guy, did you know that
they've been good for a long time.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yes, I mean Lisa Blueter has had, you know, really
great players in the past, no one rising the level
of profile of Kaitlin Clark. But Megan one player. Megan
Gustison was the player the and she floats around the WNBA.
She got Corgy Listen. I'm not she was a she
was a goat at Eyea before camp. I'm sure she
was great. Okay, I'm not trying to defame her in
any way. I'm just saying if Megan Gustafson sat down
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next to me and she was like, I'm the well,
I wouldn't think she's the greatest WNBA player because I
just know the Brianna Stewarts of the world right and
that level.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But he sat there next to me. I had no
idea who she is. And I've covered sports.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Again, there's just only so much in my personal DVR,
if you will, that I can kind of recall.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So she's brought attention to the sport. I think.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think all the different elements of it, the fact
that she stayed at one school. The fact that she's
in the Midwest, where the there's a little bit of
pushback of everything else going on in the world in
the Midwest kind of works. I think the fact that
she shoots from distances only previously seen by Steph Curry
right in the men's game, the men's college game. I
think all of those elements work and because of it,
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and be obviously the numbers. And then oh yeah, let's
not under sell they won a lot. They got to
the championship game last year, taking down South Carolina, who
was the odds on favorite. Right, so it's not just
that she's putting pistol. Pete Marritage put up numbers. He
didn't win anything, nothing. Now it was a smaller field
for the NCA term. They didn't win anything. So all
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those elements, but what's happened is and this there's a
little bit of the Hillary Clinton campaign for president where
what her campaign team would do if you were critical
in any way of her, it would be your chowvinist like, well,
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every politician were critical of every politician, you know, why
can't we be critical if you were critical of Hillary?
Couldn't And again, full disclosure, I voted for Hillary. I'm
just gonna be you know, I voted for but it
was I thought it was it was very transparent what
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they were doing to avoid certain criticism. They would just
put the criticism in a box of well, you wouldn't
ask that to a male candidate. I bring that up
because Caitlin Clark recently has been caught on TV with
a potty mouth, okay, and there have been other women's
basketball players who have done the same. There's a young
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woman who's really talented at Stanford Spencer. What's her first name?
And when she filed out, she turns to the ref
and says fu while walking by. And this is kind
of the response that we've ended up we've ended up getting,
and this is kind of where we are as people.
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There's a guy named David I Colt So. David covers
all things Iowa, right, little cottage industry, guys that are
ultimate insiders, huge fans, Mile Monter, Oaklamana State. We got
a couple of them. Every big program has people that cover.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It, know it, love it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But he had a tweet going back to yesterday which
he and I got in a little bit of a
twitter beef over where he said weird to see people
get so upset about Angel Rees, Cameron Brink. Cameron Brink,
excuse me?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Is a woman?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, she's a woman at Stanford Cameron Brink, Kaitlyn Clark
and other female attitudes. A female player swearing and showing
some attitude. It's high level athletics. It's what makes it
more fun. We need more of it. Nobody says a
word of it. If a dude does it, let him be.
I call bull crap. I call bull crap. And David,
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I don't know how old you are. I understand that
you're sitting there and you think people are taking shots
at Caitlin Clark, because that's what we do with this society.
We build people up and then we knock them down.
But that's not the reality here. Okay, if you're really
no Hawkeye basketball, you'll know of a guy named Chris Kingsbury.
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Chris Kingsbury was one of the great shooters in the
history of high school basketball, and when he went to Iowa,
he would take crazy shots playing for doctor Tom Davis.
But he did a lot of dirty stuff, punching dudes
when nobody was looking. A lot of dirty stuff, and
actually I think got suspended for a game when he
punched a kid. I think it was from Penn State
and it was only in the highlights at Sports Center
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that found it. And when that tape rolled, he was
suspending the next game. And again, she's not punching anybody.
But we were constantly and I was playing at the time.
People were on him about his attitude and theatrics. I
mentioned Baker Mayfield, Right, Baker Mayfield. They were taking cheap
shots at him and wouldn't shake his hand against Kansas
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and he was on the sideline in a game which
they came back and won, and he just grabbed his nuts, right,
and grabbing your nuts is the exact same thing as
telling somebody to f off or fu. It's the same
different gestures, same meaning. We all know it, and people
have lost their mind. Hell, Caleb Williams has a pink
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phone and paints his nails, and social media acts like
he's gay because of it. Again, your behaviors get magnified
when you're somebody we're paying attention to. Now again, I
have no problem Caleb Williams painting his fingernails. My only
point is that anybody who's super popular, we're paying more
attention to you. Know you're paying more attention to so
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your behavior is going to be sliced in dice, regardless
of what you're a man or a woman, you're black,
or you're white. And here's the problem, David, You're like,
when the men do it. Show me a guy in
college basketball in the NCAA tournament that has been caught
on camera dropping an F bomb and.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Telling people to shut the f up.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Show me a guy who walked by a ref during
a game and said fu to the ref and live
to say it, talk about it.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It doesn't happen. So here's the problem that we all have.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And yes, I'm going to lay this at your feet, Monci,
because you're the woman is women have said forever. Hey,
all we want is equal. Right, we're playing basketball. It's
a ninety four by fifty, all right. The line has
been a little different, the balls a little different, But
we want to be judged valued the same. And as
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I pointed out earlier in the year, the TV value
and ESPN probably got a deal based upon the numbers
they are doing now. But the TV value is sixty
five million a year for women's basketball and all the
rest of the Olympic Sports to ESPN, the TV value
financially based upon TBS and CBS's deal, which is like
three four years old with seven hundred and fifty million
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dollars per year. Right, that that's actually equal because you're
paid based upon what they can make on it, what
the assumed value is.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
That's the open market. But in this.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Particular case, if you want to be judged as equal,
those behaviors are reprehensible. And again, it doesn't mean that
I don't ever she doesn't she needs to be sent
to the gulag. It doesn't mean we need to wash
her mouth out with soap. This is how easy it is.
You pull her aside and you're like, hey, I get it,
you're playing with a ton of emotion, but you got
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to cut out the F bombs the giant just go play.
Do you know how I know that because that's what
every men's coach says to every player. And if you
think that we're being unfair because they're a woman, then
that's supposed to act the way. Dude, what's the name marsh
Marshall Henderson. Do you guys remember Marshall Henderson. Hey, Marshall
Henderson played at a couple of schools, ended up at
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Old Miss and played for Andy Kennedy and led the
SEC in scoring. And he was a hot button topic
because he was constantly yapping to the fans and yelling
at other people and talking a bunch of trash, and
we made a big deal of his behavior and Andy
Kennedy had to like pull aside, like, yo, dude, I
don't want you to lose that edge, but we can't
have you like challenging fans to a fight.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
If you want to be judged and evaluated the same.
And that's what David's saying. David Ichols is sitting there going, hey, man,
guys do this. One, no, they don't. And two when
they do, their coach or somebody important pulls them aside,
like what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You know who's doing that? For Caitlyn Clark who her father, Yeah,
Brent Clark. He's openly in the stands when she's whining
the officials, yes, just saying hey stop. And then I
gotta say I cringe and winced a little bit when
she was yelling let's f and or you know, shut
the f up to people. And I don't know if
that was to her detractors. Who knows who was just
(13:36):
a fiery outburst is she didn't even think about I.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Got like, like, here's a bad look, and I want
to make sure that help people understand. Okay, I was
a super emotional basketball player and I lived and thrived
on that emotion. And as I grew, I would say
that I probably went the other way and forever regretted,
like I played with an edge, and so many people
(14:01):
came to me and were like, dude, you know it's
the emotions. That's what's causing your shooting to be off.
Is you're just too emotional. And I didn't, like, I
didn't feel like I was me. So I understand you
don't want to lose that edge. You just don't. But
there's a limit. Everybody knows, Like is that what you
really want? Like, listen, you can sit here and make
(14:23):
fun of the fact that people say it's about the kids,
but literally, she's the most popular women's basketball player in
sports right well, female athlete right now in America.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
She has a ton of pressure on her as well,
she does.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And so I understand, like you're feeling that ton of
pressure is letting the valve open a little bit, right great. Okay,
But but the point is half the team's points. You
have to be able to process that, and it's okay
to be critical of that. You're not saying she's a
bad human. You're not saying that she's you know, any
of the negative terms you can use about a woman.
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What you're saying is if we're viewing you as a
high level athlete, as a fun watch and important for
women in sports, then damn you better act like it,
and she wants to be. You're acting like an absolute child,
just like her, Like any of these coaches who watch
it think the same thing. But again, and then here's
the secondary and probably the biggest problem is when I'm critical,
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I'm a chauvinist. I hate women's basketball.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What else is it? I don't like Iowa. I don't
know why I wouldn't like Iowa.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Love antim, Midwest bias.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I'm a coastal elite. That's the coastal elite, right,
all of those things. When the reality is we would
be having this exact same discussion if it was Baker Mayfield,
if it was Jim or for Debt, if it.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Was uh uh oh, what's the kid's name Dalton Connect.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Okay, Dalton Connect is not as big a name as
Caitlin Clark, but having a crazy good season to transfer
from Northern Colorado playing at Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
They played this weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
If Dalton Connect was complaining about every call and saying
shut the f up to anybody in particular, we'd be like, yo.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
What is Rick doing?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
It rubs you the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's just not needed. It's not part of the sport,
especially college sports. It's just not okay, mon see, I'm sorry,
go ahead, I've gone too long.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
No, you're yeah. You have said a lot and I
have a lot of things. Let's see what I can
remember here.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
I agree with you one hundred percent that she is
fair game to criticize when she reacts like that, and
so is anyboddy playing in the NCAA tournament, whether it's
female or man. I agree, be critical, it doesn't matter,
be fair, but it's not fair. There's like so many
times where I'm going outside, see, I think you're trying
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to funnel this in into just college hoops or just
college when in reality it can't be just that. It
does funnel into professional sports. For example, in tennis, every
single time a female tennis player loses her mind and
breaks her racket, she's emotional.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But if a guy does it, it's like, oh no,
he's just happy.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Let me prove it to you. This is really quick,
really really easy. What's the what's the Greek guy's name?
Super talented?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
He talks to he jars with the with the car
crowd at drunk.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, what what is that? He's America player?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Huhoo?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know he is?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Okay, are you sure he's Greek?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I don't know he was Greek. I thought he's Australian.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Uh, I'm pretty sure he's Greek.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Curious Yeah, but anyway, dude, he's basically been run out
of the sport because of his theatrics.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Right, it's the exact same thing of tennis. He's been critics.
Another one, okay, another one.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
We see Lebron James complain to the ref every single
day for years and years and years, and it's just acceptable.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Nobody says he's emotional. Nobody, It's just like, oh, he
can do it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Like I think, people aren't critical of Lebron James.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
People are critical of Lebron James all the time, but
he just does it, but nothing's changed.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Nobody's told him to stop. We have seen his antics
for years and he hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Okay, so again we're going to compare comparables. Lebron James
is in the argument of the greatest players of all time.
He's an NBA player, not a college basketball player. And
oh yeah, by the way, everyone everyone makes fun of
and critiques his complaining, his theatrics, his flopping. He's called
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la flop when I could defend a lot of those
times the reaction is slightly delayed in real time, okay,
in super slow motion. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's also Lebron James, and like and look, I have
a problem people like you can't criticize Lebon James. Of
course you can, did you not?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Just san Antonio, don't stop that. For Caitlyn Clark, like.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
College, it's different.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
She is the biggest star right now, James Clark.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I could go through the biggest stars in college basketball
right now.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
We're talking about in this moment right now.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
No, no, no, no, I'm comparing comparables. Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
This is like you know when you buy a house
and you compare comps, and you gotta do houses in
your neighborhood and somebody picks one like two towns over
and you're like, yo, that's not the same house. Okay,
So all you could compare with is superstar men's basketball
players in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Right, people will disagree.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
She's just like I disagree.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Doug McDermott is the last guy to have this sort
of effect on college basket. Doug McDermott and Jimmerfodett, Dougie
Fresh did they do any of it? No, none of it,
none of it, And they were a thing. They were
a huge thing. Zach Edie is the two time National
Player of the Year. Now is he criticized every time
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he plays?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay, oh he travels three seconds, he pushes off like
and again, all people are critical of him is his play.
And look, he's a little bit of a bully, Like
he doesn't talk that much trash. He just looks down
at people and walks through them. But there are people
eviscerate him on social media and the media over the
way in which he plays, not the way in which
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he carries himself. And he takes a savage beating when
he play. And they played Grambling in the first round.
He's got scratches all down his arms, right, m m okay.
So did anyone say, like due that dude's taking a beating. No,
they're just critical of him. Hey did he react? Did
he tell any of those guys from Grambling to f
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Off or the official who wasn't calling all those fouls
f you? Of course he didn't. That's not how you
purport yourself. That's not how Matt Painter allows you to
behave in coaching. You either coaching it or allowing it.
I understand what you're saying about the NBA. And by
the way, the complaining about the officiating, we complain about
the complaining every year. Everybody does. So for you to
(20:38):
say no, one says that not true, but.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
It's nothing's changed, It's just like normal. That's what is frustrated.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
So it's not true.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
The NBA actually put in rules where you can't yeh
can And what do we do? What do we do
as the media? As the media, we're like, I can't
believe he gave a tea for looking at him sideway.
He's like, no, they told you we want to cut
this stuff out because nobody likes it. But when somebody
says nobody likes the way in which she's acting. You're like, oh,
you're a males shown this pig, Like no, no, no,
nobody likes the way she's acting. No one in basketball,
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men or women, college or pro tells an official to
fu and we go like, you don't understand, Like no, no,
I do understand. I know the sport. I know both
women's and men's basketball, and that's not acceptable. And for
it to be acceptable is a major problem with the
idea of creating some sort of equality between men's and
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women's because our inability to be rightfully critical of performance
and actions is the ultimate thing in what allows you
to be equal. You're never going to be equal financially
because people don't like to watch it on the same level.
It's just not doesn't matter. Okay, is it doing well,
doing way better than before. Most of those programs aren't
making money, But that's not even part of the argument
in terms of equal and how we view it and
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evaluate it and analyze it. If we can't be critical
when they are not behaving at the proper level, especially
when they're in this spotlight, then all you're doing is
recreating what you're trying You say you're trying to get
out of which is like, hey, we don't want to
be treated different.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Everything, I don't matter what you say. What you're doing
is you're saying, hey, you can't be critical of us.
You have to only support us. You have to have
loving praise for us. And the second that you're in
any way critical of us, we're done with you. You're a
male show ofness. You don't like women's sports. Your anti
women's sports. That's what it feels like. It feels like,
all right, sorry, we wentlong. That was really good from you.
(22:31):
We can also agree to disagree, right, Also part of
this deal, give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show Twitter,
at Gottlieb Show Instagram. And hey, here's the bigger part
that you should take away from it. I watched, I watch,
But if you want people to follow women's basketball, you
got to get in to watch a second and a
third time and watch the other games, not just Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
This is the best of the Done dot Leaf Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's a Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And uh met one of the I think most beloved
coaches in college basketball. If you talked to the actual
coaches is Rick Barnes. He's head coach at Tennessee. They're
head into the Sweet sixteen. And he joined us in
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, fresh off
of a win against another program that he led to
(23:22):
a final four UH at the University of Texas.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Coach, How are you, Doug?
Speaker 8 (23:28):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'm good man, good good to catch up? What was
that like? What was that like to take on the Horns,
not just the team and the university, but Rodney and
all those guys that you're so close to.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Well, you know, Doug, we had we played the last
three years. You know, they had called me, uh when
the last year they're going to play in the Eroine,
so you know where you played, and we went back
and played and they beat us there. Then we came
back when we won here a year ago. And it's
tough because you know, I have such one wonderful fond
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memories and friends at family. You know, it's always hard
playing against friends and family. But once the game goes
and your preparation is not going to change because you know,
you have an obligation to do your job. But it's
difficult because you know I love those guys, and again,
I spent seventeen years there and have nothing but fond
memories of so many people and friends. But it's tough.
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But as you know, we're excited about moving on, and
we had to play well to be and we didn't
shoot it well, but we played well and just fortunate
we got to move on.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Dalton connected has been an incredible story.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
He's sec player of the year junior college in Northern Colorado,
and then you get him out of the portal. If
I was to ask you, in all honesty last year
this time, when you're looking at portal guys and you
start talking to Dalton, what did you think he would
look like in a Tennessee ball uniform.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Well, again, in all honesty, I don't think what he
saw and what we saw was anything. What has happened.
I mean when he came, he was one of the
most humble kids I've ever been around. I asked him,
I said, you know, we want guys that want to
come here for the right reasons. We're not in the
bidding wars with the nil we want guys that really
want to come in. We've got a good team coming back.
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And we went to the Sweet sixteen a year ago
without ze KaiA Ziegler. He's coming back, but we know
we need to add some offensive punch to it. And
he simply said to me, Doug, he said, I want
to be a part of a program where I can
help him, and I like to play. I want to
play the NCAA tournament, but most of all, I want
to get better as a player, and I want to
be coach hard. And I said, well, I can help
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you with the second one, for sure. And he came
in and you know what, did not one time during
the recruiting process did he ask about score is starting
menis he's going to play point eat and ask anything
about that? He said, I just want to work. And
he came into a team that's an older team and
they embraced him, and he certainly has embraced them. And
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but none of us, none of us could have imagined
the kind of year that he's had from from the
time that we started recruiting him.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's it's really kind of amazing. And the other part
that's interesting about this team is, you know, when you
had Durant, obviously he was an unbelievable scorer. When you
had TJ. You played really fast because you had unbelievable
point guard somewhere along the lines, because of how you
had to win at times at Tennessee. There's been this
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reputation as well Coach Barnes teams they don't score, and
this team is not that. How much of it really
is personnel dependent?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It doesn't You don't feel like a rigid guy, Like, look,
you want guys to defend and rebound and play with toughness,
but it doesn't feel like you're rigid. What is your
own personal assessment of how you play and why you
play the way in which you play.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
Well. One, I do think that you've got to have defense.
I think you got to play defense and rebound the basketball.
I think you got to take care of the basketball.
And taking care of the basketball is not just turn
it over. It's get quality shots. Like I think this
team right here that we have is a really good
shooting team, really good, but we haven't shot the ball
well in two weeks now. We can get to let
off the basket because I know we've got guys to
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have proven they can make shots. The one thing, Doug,
and you've played the one thing you know you can't
coach making shots players. Players would like to make every
shot they shoot, and most guys don't think most guys
think they can make any shots that they shoot. But
when it's not going in, can you find a way
to win and can you find a way to the
scheme to get through it your players mind where they
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don't fray and panic and lose their poise. But you know,
you just quality shots and then whatever the game, however
it unfolds. I think you've got to be willing to
make adjustments to try to just find a way to
win the game.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's been it's been a minute since you got to
the lead eight. You've been to sweet sixteens, even at Tennessee. Uh.
Now you get a week to prepare for Creighton, and
Creighton is a very unique team, right They shoot more
threes than twos. You know, they have big Kulch Brunner
in there blocking shots, and they kind of force everybody
to take those mid range shots. They're not going to
overwhelm you with athleticism. Albeit Trey Alexander can go and
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get his own shot, but they they run a myriad
of sets. Of course, you coach against coach McDermott, even
going back to winnings in Iowa State played differently there.
What's the week of prep like for a team like Creighton?
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Well, not only are you are you getting your game
plan in for Creighton, but you know we we play
you know, Alabama has very similar philosophy. You know, they
they are you know, won't freeze or layups and uh,
you know, I do think Creighton has a player too
that will take them at range jumper if it's there.
But you know what, we've seen a lot. They are
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unique and the fact that they the way they and
he is a coach. McDermott is a great basketball coach
with a great offense in mind, and he's going to
scheme and do what he does. But not only are
you thinking about them, but you're thinking more about your
own team in terms of you know, what do we
need to do to keep ourself fresh mentally? Probably more so.
(29:17):
And we know we got to be fresh physically or
you can't you can't play as hard as you have
to play this time of year. But what can we
do to keep ourselves suspression as we possibly can mentally
and along the way getting in what we need to
get in and doing what we do. I mean they're
going to do what they do. We got to do
what we do, and there will will there be some
different things that we do, certainly, but there will be
(29:39):
some things that they're going to do that we might
not have seen yet. We just got to be prepared
and hope that everything that we talk about within the
scheme of what we do we can we can handle it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're like the youngest sixty nine year old I know,
but you've been doing this for a long, long long time.
What would it mean to you personally to take your team,
your program to the final four.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Well, it's something I wish every team you coach could
it could embrace it. You know, we were fortunate to
get there with you know, and at Texas and uh,
I thought, you know, the two best teams were the
two best teams were US and Syracuse and we met
in the first round and they beat It's Carmelo Anthony
put on a phenomenal joe. You know, he had been
playing great through the tournament. But uh, for our players
(30:24):
in our university and our fan base, yeah, it would
be special obviously, and uh and for me personally, I
mean it is. I Mean, you can't deny that that Uh,
I mean that's what we do this for. You know,
we all want to be a team is playing on
Monday and the team that gets to celebrate on Monday.
It's hard, uh, Doug, I mean you know you went
through it. It's hard to get into this tournament. That's
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something you don't take for granted. And every game just
I mean, the first game is hard, but the second
one gets even harder than to throw. When they do,
they just keep getting harder. But you've got to embrace it.
And uh, just when it's all said and done, you've
got to know that you did everything you possibly could
to give yourself the best chance to move on.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Last thing, you have really good balance about you, right,
You're not how do you how do you have your
team at the magic level in terms of intensity, but
have them have that same sort of balance that you have.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Emotionally, we talk about a controlled emotion. You know, we
want to play that role of emotion, but we want
to and I thought we did a great job against
Texas where you know, we had shots that we you
know that you we normally make, uh missed a lot
at the rim that we you know we need to
make those, but we didn't prey. That was That was
(31:39):
one of the things that came out of losing the
SEC tournament against Mississippi State. We weren't making shots and
we had it affect our game plan. We totally got
away from our game plan, and uh so that game
might have been a blessing in disguise and the fact
that we were focused. We stayed with us both game
plans to the t in the first two rounds of
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the tournament, and we'll have to do this, do it
again and against Creighton.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Coach Listen, it's awesome to catch up. We got to
do so in person in the meantime. Congrats on what's
been a marvelous season. Best of luck against the Blue Jays.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Thanks thanks for having me, Doug god blest you take care.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, and let's
welcome in. His team was preseason top ten around the
country and then they had one blip in the non conference,
the loss to a really good Colorado State team, some
rough games in the Big East, which is a rough conference,
but a dominating win over Yukon Lton conference season, they
seem to figure some stuff out, and now, of course
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they figured it out all the way to the Sweet sixteen.
Creighton head coach Greg McDermott joins us year on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, congrats, I'm
making the Sweet sixteen. I think if people were to
take a snapshot of the start of the season in
your preseason ranking and then you being here now, they're like, well,
that makes sense. But it was kind of a mere
(32:57):
curial journey for this group. What's it been like to
coach him? You have a couple of new pieces, transfers
that come in along with the group that you had
back from last year.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, well, thank you, Doug. And you know, as you know,
sometimes in sport, one of the hardest things to do
is what you're expected to do. And you know, last
year's team also had preseason expectations similar to this year,
and we had a really rough patch where we lost
six in a row a year ago and then really
had to dig ourselves out of that and battle all
the way back. You know, this group, you know, we
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lost two games in a row, just just one time
in early uh in early February when we lost a
close game at home to Butler and then lost in
overtime at Providence. But other than that, you know, we
we never really had any sustained part of the season
where we really were off the rails. So this group
has been absolutely a joy to coach. And obviously, when
you have leadership that I have with you know, Trey, Alexander,
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Baylor Schierman, and Ryan Kulchbrenner and then you know Steven Ashworth,
you know, just just brings positive energy to practice every day.
It's a pretty good group to coach, a fun group
to coach, and you know, their leader ship's a big
reason why we're still playing.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You've you've been doing this a long time obviously, and
you mentioned last year's struggles and how you recovered, but
this year, you guys didn't sink nearly as far down?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Did you do it?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Are you different this year with how you've handled the
poor performances than you have been in the past.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, you know, I think last year, Doug that that
group with you know, Nemhartre, Alexander and Arthur Kaluma. They
were just sophomores, you know, so they were young, and
you place that kind of expectations on guys that young,
and then when you get smacked in the face I'm
not sure you know exactly how to respond to it.
This group, you know, being a year older. You know,
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Baylor's now his second year in our program, trades a
junior calch brinners a senior. They've seen about everything and
and you know, the good news is the Big East
was so good. I think it prepared us for just
about everything we're going to see in the NCAA tournament.
We played a lot of close games, so you know
where you when you're in that situation. In a game
with Oregon, there was no panic on their face because
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you know they've been there, They've done that and obviously
made some huge plays down the stretch in that game.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm going to ask you, Daring Devrees just got the
West Virginia job. You know, Hop's do an amazing job
at high point, like you're starting to become this you know,
Creighton's obviously a well spring for coaches, always has been,
but you're starting to become this godfather of all these
coaches now moving up the coaching ranks.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
What's that like to be not just so well respected,
but be able to help coaches get into the game
in a place where they can be successful. And now
you know coach at the same level you're coaching at
guys that coach under you previously.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, it's been a fun year in that regard. You
know tj at Iowa State obviously has been terrific, and
Steve Lotz at Western Kentucky was in the NCAA termin
Eric sat Anderson at South Dakota State, and you know
you mentioned uh Devrees and Allen huss who both had
terrific years as well. So you know, really out and
you know, fun to watch their scores and their games
and communicate with them, you know, during tough times during
(36:06):
their season and special times during their season. But you
know they would all tell you when they work for me.
You know, my my coaches coach, they're not just recruiters.
They touch all parts of our program. They have inputs
all parts of our program. And I think that's part
of my responsibility as a head coach is to prepare
them and give them the experience so that if they're
(36:27):
fortunate enough to become a head coach, they're ready. And
you know, I think some coaches come out of some
programs and basically all they do is recruit and babysit
on campus. And they don't don't do a lot of coaching,
and I'd like to think my guys are ready when
the time comes.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, based upon their success, it feels like they've they've
they've been ready. Whatever you're doing is absolutely working. Greig McDermott,
head coach of the Crankon Blue Jays, joining us the
Doug Out Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's interesting,
you know, you went through a style change when you
left Iowa State and you came to create you know,
and some of his personnel base. But you and I
(37:02):
have talked about in the pod before how you open
it up, and now you are widely considered like the
standard for how people want to play offensively, spacing the
court for out with a big roller, allowing guys a
ton of freedom to not just go one on one,
but to shoot threes, and it's a really enjoyable way
to watch the game. Rick Barnes is kind of going
(37:24):
through a little bit of transformation, like they've had some duds,
but man, they're they're playing a lot more wide open
this year. You match up with Tennessee and of course
you've coached against coach Barnes in the past, but this
is a Am I wrong to think this is a
different style of a Rick Barnes team because they're more
offensive minded.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
No question. Now let's not don't lose sight of that defense,
because it's pretty darn good what he's got going on there.
I think they have the third best defense in the country.
But it's been you know, Rick and I have been
friends a long time, and he's done a terrific job
at Tennessee. And you know, the wrinkles he continues to
add to get Dalton free has been really impressive. And
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you know he's he's a hard guard and gonna be
a very hard guard for us. You know, we just
got to try to take care of the easy one.
Take away, take away the easy ones and understanding he's
gonna make some tough ones because he's an elite player.
But you know, without doubt, you know they're playing a
little bit faster than he did before. Although you know,
back in the day when he had you know, DJ
Augustine and Durant and A j Abrams, I mean they
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were flying it up and down pretty well at that
point too. But this is a terrific Tennessee team.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
You guys are down for with like forty seconds to go,
Oregon has the ball, and you know, I mean part
of it is you have older guys that have been
through it before. But part of it is you've been
through it before.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
You you really appeared to.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Be come to be come internally. Were you as calm
as you appeared externally?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, I mean we I think it was a minute
or minute minute one oh three or something when they
got the ball, and we just decided to play it
out and you know, see if we could get a stop.
You know, worst case scenario, they score, it's still a
two possession game. Uh in a six point game, but
you know, it just it takes a little bit of luck, Doug,
when you're in that situation. And you know, when you
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make a run through the tournament, you got to get
through a game and get a little good fortune. And
you know, that ball ends up on the rebound in
Baylor Shireman's hands and we're going the other direction and
he's you know, he's he's got an incredible basketball IQ
and he just he made the referee make a call.
He ran right into the guy, threw the ball up
and we got two free throws with the clock stopped,
and and then you know, executed a press, you know,
(39:35):
perfectly taking away their first couple options, and they had
to go to Dante and we followed them immediately, and
you know, he shot five free throws and that's the
only one he missed, So we got a little bit lucky.
And then you know, Baylor makes a huge play when
we had to. You know, we tried to run a
play that we thought we could get a three, and
you know, him and Calchbrenner went to work in a
little two man game after that and he made a
(39:55):
big time shot.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
There's parts of your program with your similar to Purdue,
who you may face if you can beat Tennessee in
that you know, you guys are developing culpantors, perfect example,
Like that's a guy who has developed during his time
in Omaha. You know, Trey Alexander is not a transfer
right Baylor Shireman obviously is, and and uh and Steven
Ashworth is. Because you lost your point guard who's playing
(40:20):
for for for Gonzaga. What's the model for Creighton, Like,
what's the what's the model in terms of building from
within and building through the portal?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, I mean we're still going to try as long
as we can to have a mix and you know
that the rules and and the way things are going
are dictating that that's going to be very difficult to do.
But we're going to try. We're going to try to
have some guys that come into our program that you know,
have the patients to grow and learn and wait for
their opportunity. Mason Miller is a great example of that.
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Jason Green, who had a great grunt game against Oregon,
red shirted last year and didn't wasn't playing a lot
in December and Ganuary and waited his turn, and now
he was ready. So you know, we're going to try it. Doug.
You know, the key with us is I've learned of
coach long enough. We play a style of basketball that
you have to be unselfish, and I've learned that you
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can't recruit a selfish person and turn them into an
unselfish basketball player. So we're really, you know, particular with
who we recruit in terms of are they unselfish? You know,
is winning and important? Are they a great teammate? And
if that's the case, you can put together a group
of guys and you know, some years will win a
few more than other years, but you know, for the
most part, You're gonna have an enjoyable experience. And I
(41:39):
think when guys have fun and there's some joy in
the game, I think you're going to see the best
version of them.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Coach listen, best of left this weekend. Cannot wait to
see you guys take on Tennessee and then hopefully the
winner of Purdue and Gunzag in the meantime. Congratulations since
what's been another marvelous season. Omaha, thanks for our guest.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
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everyone has a friend, I believe who has that hair
trigger temper. And I'll admit like I have a temper,
but I know how mine comes out. You know, you
(42:54):
have those days where every day where everyone annoys, you know,
there are days when one person annoys you. You can separate yourself.
Or if you work, you know some people you're a
cubicle and the guy next to you always smacking.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
There are people that you just like you sit across
room and they can't eat and you have to eat.
You know, you're going to like company company meal with
you know, with your boss, like oh god, I got
to sit across from Jimmy and Jimmy's. But people have
days when everyone's annoying them and they have you can
(43:34):
you just I need to get away from people because
I want to strangle somebody.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
But then there's always a guy who has the hair
trigger temper. I think that's universal. And usually there's an expression.
I don't know if you've heard this, Who you are
when you drink is who you really are, right, okay.
(44:01):
Steve Kerr is the head coach of the Golden State Warriors,
and he said before use that same sort of expression,
but he said it in regards to basketball. Who you
are as a basketball player is who you are in life.
And think about it. If that's true, Well, Steph Curry,
(44:21):
he just seems to have fun and just try stuff
and just doesn't care and has a joy about him. Well,
the same can't be said for Draymond Green. Who you
are in basketball is who you are in life. That's
a dude that simply wants to is a bully. I
(44:42):
don't even think it's a temper thing with him. I
think he's just a bit of a bully. And we
can piece together the encourse stuff, but there's off the
court stuff too.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Remember he keep the crap out of a.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Football player at Michigan State at a bar when he
went back to East Lansing, And as much as you
can say, and you know, the story that came out
was the you know, the other guy was popping off whatever.
Like you'r Draymond Green. You're literally punching down, not just
figuratively punching down. You look at what he did to
(45:17):
to what's his name last year?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Why am I forgetting?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I all said my name? All of a sudden in
my mind was Jordan Love was like, no, he's the
quarterback of the Green Bead Packers, Jordan Poole. Look at
what he did to Jordan Poole last year. That's bullying stuff.
When you take things of hey, you need to line
him out there's one thing you take it to where
(45:41):
you're actually throwing your weight around. And I understand, Like
obviously I play basketball. I know that some of that
is needed. You do need a guy that other people
are scared of. It gets other people off their game.
But more than anything, like it just helps to separate
Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, they don't have to worry about
(46:02):
all that stuff. If there's a problem, Yo, he'll solve it.
You know, check out the hook while the DJ revolves it.
I mean, it's really that simple that Draymond has that role.
But the new Draymond coming off of suspension, has looked
just like the old Raymond. And we're talking four minutes
into a game last night, here's Steph Curry talking about
(46:23):
the ejection.
Speaker 9 (46:25):
All I said, we need him and he knows that.
We all know that. So whatever it takes to keep
him on the floor going to be available, that's what's
got to happen, especially at this point in the year.
So it's a tough way to start the game. But
I am extremely proud of every single person that step
(46:48):
put on the floor tonite and responded the way that
they did. We know how important the season is or
this part of the season is in our ability to
get into a rhythm and secure of playing opportunity and
give ourselves a shot. You don't when I have self
inflicted loans. When it comes to that.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
We all care.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
We all are passionate about the game and our chances
to something to play forward down the shirt. So you
give everything he got to this game, and.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's the emotion. Here's Steve Kerr on the ejection.
Speaker 8 (47:22):
Too bad, it was unfortunate, he deserved it, and you
know he'll he'll bounce back.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
So the question becomes for the NBA is like, what
do you do now because you put this guy, You've
suspended a guy who sat him down, you've removed him
from the team whatever. And again in and of itself,
not a huge deal in and of itself. It's like
Steve Kerr like, all right, he'll bounce back from and
he gets ejected. You know that's your punishment, and you'd
like it to not be double or triple or quadruple jeopardy.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
For the things of the past.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
But how many times do we have to put the
guy on like some sort of double secret probation when
we know he he feels like a ticking time bomb.
And it's not like he doesn't know every arena he
goes into, they're gonna be goading him.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
They're every other you know, So I understand it. But
we know who Draymond is.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
And whatever rehab he did, however long he went and
spent time by himself, at the end of the day,
who you are when you drink is just like who
you are when you play basketball. That's who you really are.
And Draymond's a guy who likes to He's the guy
who you know, I don't know, my son's fourteen, right,
(48:40):
And if you've ever been around like twelve to fourteen
fifteen year old boys, like they're kind of all the same.
And there's always that guy who's like overly aggressive. He
slaps guys on the back to say hi, just like
a little bit too hard, and that doesn't stop like
you get older, they do the same thing. So I
remember Chandler Bing's balls in friends that would smack everybody
(49:03):
on the backside, say Chandler Bing, right, and then when
he didn't smack on the backside, then he missed it.
Like those guys, that's who Draymond is. And there's just
no get away from it. And it's like when Steve
Kerr says he deserved it. Have you ever heard of
(49:23):
coach say that before? It does feel like everybody's a
little bit tired of the act. And the worse you
are as a player, the more guys want to fight,
the more guys get into it physically, and that's what
the playoffs are going to look like. And everyone's going
to have an itchy trigger finger to throw him out
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it's interesting because as we're creeping up like this is
the part of the basketball season that we don't pay
much attention to because we're paying attention to college basketball.
And then the Masters take place, and then after the
Masters were like, oh, we've kind of like oh, baseball started,
like oh, NBA and we get ready for the NBA
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playoffs and the Lakers aren't trending in the right way.
They played the Grizzlies on like this weird court last night.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
I don't even know. I'm sure Memphis said that all year,
but I was watching last night, going, this is the
weirdest court ever.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
The Warriors are trying to, you know, get in better
position in the play in series or maybe get out
of the play in or whatever and win games. I
think you know exactly how Draymond Green's playoffs.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Are going to go. If they make the regular playoffs.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
The Warriors be competitive. Warriors are gonna be competitive, and
at some point when it appears they're going to get beat,
his meltdown is going to be epic.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Like, I don't think the NBA, I know the NBA
in the NFL aren't rigged, but it'll feel that way
because I'm telling you what happens when it gets to
be a formality that they're not going to beat whatever
team that they play, whether it's first round, second round,
conference finals, NBA finals, that's when the meltdown will commence,
and there will be a meltdown
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Actually, I'm really glad monsis here. And you have to
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listen to show are like, well, Dan's not here.
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That means you're happy to dance like here.
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No.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
This topic, though, I do think, funnels right into Monsei,
who co hosts a show on weekends for us.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Good morning to you, Monty, how are you?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Of course, said Jay Stu's here, and our guy Iowa Sam,
this is actually I think we have the perfect crew
here for this discussion. Okay, for this discussion. Because Sam
is an Iowa guy, thus the name Iowa Sam like
literally a walking encyclopedia and fanboy of all things i
(01:26):
with the exception of Iowa's football offense, which will change
this football season.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So some people, though, have associated with Iowa State, and
I have to say, hey, no, I'm from Iowa City,
born and raised there, and I went to I'm a
lum of the University of Iowa. So I am black
and gold Iowa Sam.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Black and gold, black and yellow, black and yellows Pittsburgh, Okay.
And then Jay su who basically calls bs on everybody
kind of hates everybody, but it's because he sees through
the phoniness in so many people. Is that a fair
depiction of.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
It, Yeah, don't. I don't hate anybody, but I will
be critical of things.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
He's not easily impressed.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Also good Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
And then Moncey, who that's I like that.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
There are several different parts to why Monsey obviously being
a woman, and this is about women in sports, and
but it's also about like when you're new to cover
something on how how I'm gonna guess Moncy like when
you co host the show with Alex Curry on weekends.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Right, because it's too.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Because because you're women, you're always I don't know if
you feel compelled or pushed to always talk about things
having to do with women and always take the woman's side.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
It's like I'll give you to the snap shot when
you're Jewish, Like, do you always have to take the
Jewish side?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Like Nick? I can have my own egg.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Not.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't agree with everything, yep.
Speaker 7 (02:49):
I think I'm more that I do want to talk
about women, maybe not as much that I take their
side just automatically, but I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yes, so have you guys.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I would guess that most of us have watched some
part of Caitlin Clark here, especially recently she when she's
broken through records. Now they're playing in the NCAA tournament
and the Monday night game, which first time in my
life ever, I was at a bar and I was like, hey,
can you put the Iowa game on? And he's like
(03:21):
nice and I was like, no, the Iowa Women's game on.
Put it on, and everybody like turned around. So there's
a couple of things going on here at once it
was the highest rated game on cable over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And why that matters.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
It like, it's a little bit skewed because though the
men's tournament is on cable, okay one, it's with exception
of the first game I think Saturday. The cable games
are when there's multiple usually multiple games going on, and
let's be honest, between TBS and TNT, but especially TBS
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and True TV, those are not traditional landing spots for
sports viewers. ESPN is in addition to which that highly
rated game was on Monday, it was running unopposed. There's
no Major League Baseball that matters as of yet. There's
no NFL football, there's no college football, there's no men's
men's NCAA tournament. There were NBA games, but not on
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ESPN and not on T n T at the time.
So there's a little skewing of the numbers. But the
basic elements to it are people are infatuated with the
Caitlyn Clark story. And if you want to be in
denial of all the different layers of it, fine, Okay,
does the fact that that that she's playing at Iowa,
which has been a good program for a long time,
(04:42):
But I had no idea it was a good program. Again, Sam,
did you you're an Iowa guy, did you know that
they've been good for a long time.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Yes, I mean Lisa Blueter has had, you know, really
great players in the past, no one rising the level
of profile of Kaitlin Clark. But Megan one player. Megan
Gustison was the player the and she floats around the WNBA.
She got Corgy Listen. I'm not she was a she
was a goat at Eyea before camp. I'm sure she
was great. Okay, I'm not trying to defame her in
any way. I'm just saying if Megan Gustafson sat down
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next to me and she was like, I'm the well,
I wouldn't think she's the greatest WNBA player because I
just know the Brianna Stewarts of the world right and
that level.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But he sat there next to me. I had no
idea who she is. And I've covered sports.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Again, there's just only so much in my personal DVR,
if you will, that I can kind of recall.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So she's brought attention to the sport. I think.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think all the different elements of it, the fact
that she stayed at one school. The fact that she's
in the Midwest, where the there's a little bit of
pushback of everything else going on in the world in
the Midwest kind of works. I think the fact that
she shoots from distances only previously seen by Steph Curry
right in the men's game, the men's college game. I
think all of those elements work and because of it,
(05:55):
and be obviously the numbers. And then oh yeah, let's
not under sell they won a lot. They got to
the championship game last year, taking down South Carolina, who
was the odds on favorite. Right, so it's not just
that she's putting pistol. Pete Marritage put up numbers. He
didn't win anything, nothing. Now it was a smaller field
for the NCA term. They didn't win anything. So all
(06:17):
those elements, but what's happened is and this there's a
little bit of the Hillary Clinton campaign for president where
what her campaign team would do if you were critical
in any way of her, it would be your chowvinist like, well,
(06:38):
every politician were critical of every politician, you know, why
can't we be critical if you were critical of Hillary?
Couldn't And again, full disclosure, I voted for Hillary. I'm
just gonna be you know, I voted for but it
was I thought it was it was very transparent what
(07:02):
they were doing to avoid certain criticism. They would just
put the criticism in a box of well, you wouldn't
ask that to a male candidate. I bring that up
because Caitlin Clark recently has been caught on TV with
a potty mouth, okay, and there have been other women's
basketball players who have done the same. There's a young
(07:24):
woman who's really talented at Stanford Spencer. What's her first name?
And when she filed out, she turns to the ref
and says fu while walking by. And this is kind
of the response that we've ended up we've ended up getting,
and this is kind of where we are as people.
(07:45):
There's a guy named David I Colt So. David covers
all things Iowa, right, little cottage industry, guys that are
ultimate insiders, huge fans, Mile Monter, Oaklamana State. We got
a couple of them. Every big program has people that cover.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It, know it, love it.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
But he had a tweet going back to yesterday which
he and I got in a little bit of a
twitter beef over where he said weird to see people
get so upset about Angel Rees, Cameron Brink. Cameron Brink,
excuse me?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Is a woman?
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yes, she's a woman at Stanford Cameron Brink, Kaitlyn Clark
and other female attitudes. A female player swearing and showing
some attitude. It's high level athletics. It's what makes it
more fun. We need more of it. Nobody says a
word of it. If a dude does it, let him be.
I call bull crap. I call bull crap. And David,
(08:39):
I don't know how old you are. I understand that
you're sitting there and you think people are taking shots
at Caitlin Clark, because that's what we do with this society.
We build people up and then we knock them down.
But that's not the reality here. Okay, if you're really
no Hawkeye basketball, you'll know of a guy named Chris Kingsbury.
(09:01):
Chris Kingsbury was one of the great shooters in the
history of high school basketball, and when he went to Iowa,
he would take crazy shots playing for doctor Tom Davis.
But he did a lot of dirty stuff, punching dudes
when nobody was looking. A lot of dirty stuff, and
actually I think got suspended for a game when he
punched a kid. I think it was from Penn State
and it was only in the highlights at Sports Center
(09:21):
that found it. And when that tape rolled, he was
suspending the next game. And again, she's not punching anybody.
But we were constantly and I was playing at the time.
People were on him about his attitude and theatrics. I
mentioned Baker Mayfield, Right, Baker Mayfield. They were taking cheap
shots at him and wouldn't shake his hand against Kansas
(09:43):
and he was on the sideline in a game which
they came back and won, and he just grabbed his nuts, right,
and grabbing your nuts is the exact same thing as
telling somebody to f off or fu. It's the same
different gestures, same meaning. We all know it, and people
have lost their mind. Hell, Caleb Williams has a pink
(10:07):
phone and paints his nails, and social media acts like
he's gay because of it. Again, your behaviors get magnified
when you're somebody we're paying attention to. Now again, I
have no problem Caleb Williams painting his fingernails. My only
point is that anybody who's super popular, we're paying more
attention to you. Know you're paying more attention to so
(10:29):
your behavior is going to be sliced in dice, regardless
of what you're a man or a woman, you're black,
or you're white. And here's the problem, David, You're like,
when the men do it. Show me a guy in
college basketball in the NCAA tournament that has been caught
on camera dropping an F bomb and.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Telling people to shut the f up.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Show me a guy who walked by a ref during
a game and said fu to the ref and live
to say it, talk about it.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
They don't.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
It doesn't happen. So here's the problem that we all have.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And yes, I'm going to lay this at your feet, Monci,
because you're the woman is women have said forever. Hey,
all we want is equal. Right, we're playing basketball. It's
a ninety four by fifty, all right. The line has
been a little different, the balls a little different, But
we want to be judged valued the same. And as
(11:26):
I pointed out earlier in the year, the TV value
and ESPN probably got a deal based upon the numbers
they are doing now. But the TV value is sixty
five million a year for women's basketball and all the
rest of the Olympic Sports to ESPN, the TV value
financially based upon TBS and CBS's deal, which is like
three four years old with seven hundred and fifty million
(11:46):
dollars per year. Right, that that's actually equal because you're
paid based upon what they can make on it, what
the assumed value is.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
That's the open market. But in this.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Particular case, if you want to be judged as equal,
those behaviors are reprehensible. And again, it doesn't mean that
I don't ever she doesn't she needs to be sent
to the gulag. It doesn't mean we need to wash
her mouth out with soap. This is how easy it is.
You pull her aside and you're like, hey, I get it,
you're playing with a ton of emotion, but you got
(12:18):
to cut out the F bombs the giant just go play.
Do you know how I know that because that's what
every men's coach says to every player. And if you
think that we're being unfair because they're a woman, then
that's supposed to act the way. Dude, what's the name marsh
Marshall Henderson. Do you guys remember Marshall Henderson. Hey, Marshall
Henderson played at a couple of schools, ended up at
(12:40):
Old Miss and played for Andy Kennedy and led the
SEC in scoring. And he was a hot button topic
because he was constantly yapping to the fans and yelling
at other people and talking a bunch of trash, and
we made a big deal of his behavior and Andy
Kennedy had to like pull aside, like, yo, dude, I
don't want you to lose that edge, but we can't
have you like challenging fans to a fight.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
If you want to be judged and evaluated the same.
And that's what David's saying. David Ichols is sitting there going, hey, man,
guys do this. One, no, they don't. And two when
they do, their coach or somebody important pulls them aside,
like what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
You know who's doing that? For Caitlyn Clark who her father, Yeah,
Brent Clark. He's openly in the stands when she's whining
the officials, yes, just saying hey stop. And then I
gotta say I cringe and winced a little bit when
she was yelling let's f and or you know, shut
the f up to people. And I don't know if
that was to her detractors. Who knows who was just
(13:36):
a fiery outburst is she didn't even think about I.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Got like, like, here's a bad look, and I want
to make sure that help people understand. Okay, I was
a super emotional basketball player and I lived and thrived
on that emotion. And as I grew, I would say
that I probably went the other way and forever regretted,
like I played with an edge, and so many people
(14:01):
came to me and were like, dude, you know it's
the emotions. That's what's causing your shooting to be off.
Is you're just too emotional. And I didn't, like, I
didn't feel like I was me. So I understand you
don't want to lose that edge. You just don't. But
there's a limit. Everybody knows, Like is that what you
really want? Like, listen, you can sit here and make
(14:23):
fun of the fact that people say it's about the kids,
but literally, she's the most popular women's basketball player in
sports right well, female athlete right now in America.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
She has a ton of pressure on her as well,
she does.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
And so I understand, like you're feeling that ton of
pressure is letting the valve open a little bit, right great. Okay,
But but the point is half the team's points. You
have to be able to process that, and it's okay
to be critical of that. You're not saying she's a
bad human. You're not saying that she's you know, any
of the negative terms you can use about a woman.
(14:56):
What you're saying is if we're viewing you as a
high level athlete, as a fun watch and important for
women in sports, then damn you better act like it,
and she wants to be. You're acting like an absolute child,
just like her, Like any of these coaches who watch
it think the same thing. But again, and then here's
the secondary and probably the biggest problem is when I'm critical,
(15:20):
I'm a chauvinist. I hate women's basketball.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
What else is it? I don't like Iowa. I don't
know why I wouldn't like Iowa.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Love antim, Midwest bias.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I'm a coastal elite. That's the coastal elite, right,
all of those things. When the reality is we would
be having this exact same discussion if it was Baker Mayfield,
if it was Jim or for Debt, if it.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Was uh uh oh, what's the kid's name Dalton Connect.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Okay, Dalton Connect is not as big a name as
Caitlin Clark, but having a crazy good season to transfer
from Northern Colorado playing at Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
They played this weekend.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
If Dalton Connect was complaining about every call and saying
shut the f up to anybody in particular, we'd be like, yo.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
What is Rick doing?
Speaker 4 (16:07):
It rubs you the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
It's just not needed. It's not part of the sport,
especially college sports. It's just not okay, mon see, I'm sorry,
go ahead, I've gone too long.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
No, you're yeah. You have said a lot and I
have a lot of things. Let's see what I can
remember here.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
I agree with you one hundred percent that she is
fair game to criticize when she reacts like that, and
so is anyboddy playing in the NCAA tournament, whether it's
female or man. I agree, be critical, it doesn't matter,
be fair, but it's not fair. There's like so many
times where I'm going outside, see, I think you're trying
(16:41):
to funnel this in into just college hoops or just
college when in reality it can't be just that. It
does funnel into professional sports. For example, in tennis, every
single time a female tennis player loses her mind and
breaks her racket, she's emotional.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But if a guy does it, it's like, oh no,
he's just happy.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Let me prove it to you. This is really quick,
really really easy. What's the what's the Greek guy's name?
Super talented?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
He talks to he jars with the with the car
crowd at drunk.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, what what is that? He's America player?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Huhoo?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know he is?
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Okay, are you sure he's Greek?
Speaker 5 (17:21):
I don't know he was Greek. I thought he's Australian.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Uh, I'm pretty sure he's Greek.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Curious Yeah, but anyway, dude, he's basically been run out
of the sport because of his theatrics.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Right, it's the exact same thing of tennis. He's been critics.
Another one, okay, another one.
Speaker 7 (17:37):
We see Lebron James complain to the ref every single
day for years and years and years, and it's just acceptable.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
Nobody says he's emotional. Nobody, It's just like, oh, he
can do it.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Like I think, people aren't critical of Lebron James.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
People are critical of Lebron James all the time, but
he just does it, but nothing's changed.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Nobody's told him to stop. We have seen his antics
for years and he hasn't changed.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Okay, so again we're going to compare comparables. Lebron James
is in the argument of the greatest players of all time.
He's an NBA player, not a college basketball player. And
oh yeah, by the way, everyone everyone makes fun of
and critiques his complaining, his theatrics, his flopping. He's called
(18:19):
la flop when I could defend a lot of those
times the reaction is slightly delayed in real time, okay,
in super slow motion. And oh yeah, by the way,
he's also Lebron James, and like and look, I have
a problem people like you can't criticize Lebon James. Of
course you can, did you not?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Just san Antonio, don't stop that. For Caitlyn Clark, like.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
College, it's different.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
She is the biggest star right now, James Clark.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I could go through the biggest stars in college basketball
right now.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
We're talking about in this moment right now.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
No, no, no, no, I'm comparing comparables. Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
This is like you know when you buy a house
and you compare comps, and you gotta do houses in
your neighborhood and somebody picks one like two towns over
and you're like, yo, that's not the same house. Okay,
So all you could compare with is superstar men's basketball
players in college basketball.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Right, people will disagree.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
She's just like I disagree.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Doug McDermott is the last guy to have this sort
of effect on college basket. Doug McDermott and Jimmerfodett, Dougie
Fresh did they do any of it? No, none of it,
none of it, And they were a thing. They were
a huge thing. Zach Edie is the two time National
Player of the Year. Now is he criticized every time
(19:33):
he plays?
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Okay, oh he travels three seconds, he pushes off like
and again, all people are critical of him is his play.
And look, he's a little bit of a bully, Like
he doesn't talk that much trash. He just looks down
at people and walks through them. But there are people
eviscerate him on social media and the media over the
way in which he plays, not the way in which
(19:56):
he carries himself. And he takes a savage beating when
he play. And they played Grambling in the first round.
He's got scratches all down his arms, right, m m okay.
So did anyone say, like due that dude's taking a beating. No,
they're just critical of him. Hey did he react? Did
he tell any of those guys from Grambling to f
(20:16):
Off or the official who wasn't calling all those fouls
f you? Of course he didn't. That's not how you
purport yourself. That's not how Matt Painter allows you to
behave in coaching. You either coaching it or allowing it.
I understand what you're saying about the NBA. And by
the way, the complaining about the officiating, we complain about
the complaining every year. Everybody does. So for you to
(20:38):
say no, one says that not true, but.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
It's nothing's changed, It's just like normal. That's what is frustrated.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
So it's not true.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
The NBA actually put in rules where you can't yeh
can And what do we do? What do we do
as the media? As the media, we're like, I can't
believe he gave a tea for looking at him sideway.
He's like, no, they told you we want to cut
this stuff out because nobody likes it. But when somebody
says nobody likes the way in which she's acting. You're like, oh,
you're a males shown this pig, Like no, no, no,
nobody likes the way she's acting. No one in basketball,
(21:07):
men or women, college or pro tells an official to
fu and we go like, you don't understand, Like no, no,
I do understand. I know the sport. I know both
women's and men's basketball, and that's not acceptable. And for
it to be acceptable is a major problem with the
idea of creating some sort of equality between men's and
(21:29):
women's because our inability to be rightfully critical of performance
and actions is the ultimate thing in what allows you
to be equal. You're never going to be equal financially
because people don't like to watch it on the same level.
It's just not doesn't matter. Okay, is it doing well,
doing way better than before. Most of those programs aren't
making money, But that's not even part of the argument
in terms of equal and how we view it and
(21:50):
evaluate it and analyze it. If we can't be critical
when they are not behaving at the proper level, especially
when they're in this spotlight, then all you're doing is
recreating what you're trying You say you're trying to get
out of which is like, hey, we don't want to
be treated different.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Everything, I don't matter what you say. What you're doing
is you're saying, hey, you can't be critical of us.
You have to only support us. You have to have
loving praise for us. And the second that you're in
any way critical of us, we're done with you. You're a
male show ofness. You don't like women's sports. Your anti
women's sports. That's what it feels like. It feels like,
all right, sorry, we wentlong. That was really good from you.
(22:31):
We can also agree to disagree, right, Also part of
this deal, give me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show Twitter,
at Gottlieb Show Instagram. And hey, here's the bigger part
that you should take away from it. I watched, I watch,
But if you want people to follow women's basketball, you
got to get in to watch a second and a
third time and watch the other games, not just Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
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on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It's a Doug Gotlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And uh met one of the I think most beloved
coaches in college basketball. If you talked to the actual
coaches is Rick Barnes. He's head coach at Tennessee. They're
head into the Sweet sixteen. And he joined us in
the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, fresh off
of a win against another program that he led to
(23:22):
a final four UH at the University of Texas.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Coach, How are you, Doug?
Speaker 8 (23:28):
How are you?
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I'm good man, good good to catch up? What was
that like? What was that like to take on the Horns,
not just the team and the university, but Rodney and
all those guys that you're so close to.
Speaker 8 (23:41):
Well, you know, Doug, we had we played the last
three years. You know, they had called me, uh when
the last year they're going to play in the Eroine,
so you know where you played, and we went back
and played and they beat us there. Then we came
back when we won here a year ago. And it's
tough because you know, I have such one wonderful fond
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memories and friends at family. You know, it's always hard
playing against friends and family. But once the game goes
and your preparation is not going to change because you know,
you have an obligation to do your job. But it's
difficult because you know I love those guys, and again,
I spent seventeen years there and have nothing but fond
memories of so many people and friends. But it's tough.
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But as you know, we're excited about moving on, and
we had to play well to be and we didn't
shoot it well, but we played well and just fortunate
we got to move on.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Dalton connected has been an incredible story.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
He's sec player of the year junior college in Northern Colorado,
and then you get him out of the portal. If
I was to ask you, in all honesty last year
this time, when you're looking at portal guys and you
start talking to Dalton, what did you think he would
look like in a Tennessee ball uniform.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Well, again, in all honesty, I don't think what he
saw and what we saw was anything. What has happened.
I mean when he came, he was one of the
most humble kids I've ever been around. I asked him,
I said, you know, we want guys that want to
come here for the right reasons. We're not in the
bidding wars with the nil we want guys that really
want to come in. We've got a good team coming back.
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And we went to the Sweet sixteen a year ago
without ze KaiA Ziegler. He's coming back, but we know
we need to add some offensive punch to it. And
he simply said to me, Doug, he said, I want
to be a part of a program where I can
help him, and I like to play. I want to
play the NCAA tournament, but most of all, I want
to get better as a player, and I want to
be coach hard. And I said, well, I can help
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you with the second one, for sure. And he came
in and you know what, did not one time during
the recruiting process did he ask about score is starting
menis he's going to play point eat and ask anything
about that? He said, I just want to work. And
he came into a team that's an older team and
they embraced him, and he certainly has embraced them. And
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but none of us, none of us could have imagined
the kind of year that he's had from from the
time that we started recruiting him.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It's it's really kind of amazing. And the other part
that's interesting about this team is, you know, when you
had Durant, obviously he was an unbelievable scorer. When you
had TJ. You played really fast because you had unbelievable
point guard somewhere along the lines, because of how you
had to win at times at Tennessee. There's been this
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reputation as well Coach Barnes teams they don't score, and
this team is not that. How much of it really
is personnel dependent?
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:39):
It doesn't You don't feel like a rigid guy, Like, look,
you want guys to defend and rebound and play with toughness,
but it doesn't feel like you're rigid. What is your
own personal assessment of how you play and why you
play the way in which you play.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
Well. One, I do think that you've got to have defense.
I think you got to play defense and rebound the basketball.
I think you got to take care of the basketball.
And taking care of the basketball is not just turn
it over. It's get quality shots. Like I think this
team right here that we have is a really good
shooting team, really good, but we haven't shot the ball
well in two weeks now. We can get to let
off the basket because I know we've got guys to
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have proven they can make shots. The one thing, Doug,
and you've played the one thing you know you can't
coach making shots players. Players would like to make every
shot they shoot, and most guys don't think most guys
think they can make any shots that they shoot. But
when it's not going in, can you find a way
to win and can you find a way to the
scheme to get through it your players mind where they
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don't fray and panic and lose their poise. But you know,
you just quality shots and then whatever the game, however
it unfolds. I think you've got to be willing to
make adjustments to try to just find a way to
win the game.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's been it's been a minute since you got to
the lead eight. You've been to sweet sixteens, even at Tennessee. Uh.
Now you get a week to prepare for Creighton, and
Creighton is a very unique team, right They shoot more
threes than twos. You know, they have big Kulch Brunner
in there blocking shots, and they kind of force everybody
to take those mid range shots. They're not going to
overwhelm you with athleticism. Albeit Trey Alexander can go and
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get his own shot, but they they run a myriad
of sets. Of course, you coach against coach McDermott, even
going back to winnings in Iowa State played differently there.
What's the week of prep like for a team like Creighton?
Speaker 8 (28:33):
Well, not only are you are you getting your game
plan in for Creighton, but you know we we play
you know, Alabama has very similar philosophy. You know, they
they are you know, won't freeze or layups and uh,
you know, I do think Creighton has a player too
that will take them at range jumper if it's there.
But you know what, we've seen a lot. They are
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unique and the fact that they the way they and
he is a coach. McDermott is a great basketball coach
with a great offense in mind, and he's going to
scheme and do what he does. But not only are
you thinking about them, but you're thinking more about your
own team in terms of you know, what do we
need to do to keep ourself fresh mentally? Probably more so.
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And we know we got to be fresh physically or
you can't you can't play as hard as you have
to play this time of year. But what can we
do to keep ourselves suspression as we possibly can mentally
and along the way getting in what we need to
get in and doing what we do. I mean they're
going to do what they do. We got to do
what we do, and there will will there be some
different things that we do, certainly, but there will be
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some things that they're going to do that we might
not have seen yet. We just got to be prepared
and hope that everything that we talk about within the
scheme of what we do we can we can handle it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You're like the youngest sixty nine year old I know,
but you've been doing this for a long, long long time.
What would it mean to you personally to take your team,
your program to the final four.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
Well, it's something I wish every team you coach could
it could embrace it. You know, we were fortunate to
get there with you know, and at Texas and uh,
I thought, you know, the two best teams were the
two best teams were US and Syracuse and we met
in the first round and they beat It's Carmelo Anthony
put on a phenomenal joe. You know, he had been
playing great through the tournament. But uh, for our players
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in our university and our fan base, yeah, it would
be special obviously, and uh and for me personally, I
mean it is. I Mean, you can't deny that that Uh,
I mean that's what we do this for. You know,
we all want to be a team is playing on
Monday and the team that gets to celebrate on Monday.
It's hard, uh, Doug, I mean you know you went
through it. It's hard to get into this tournament. That's
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something you don't take for granted. And every game just
I mean, the first game is hard, but the second
one gets even harder than to throw. When they do,
they just keep getting harder. But you've got to embrace it.
And uh, just when it's all said and done, you've
got to know that you did everything you possibly could
to give yourself the best chance to move on.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Last thing, you have really good balance about you, right,
You're not how do you how do you have your
team at the magic level in terms of intensity, but
have them have that same sort of balance that you have.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Emotionally, we talk about a controlled emotion. You know, we
want to play that role of emotion, but we want
to and I thought we did a great job against
Texas where you know, we had shots that we you
know that you we normally make, uh missed a lot
at the rim that we you know we need to
make those, but we didn't prey. That was That was
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one of the things that came out of losing the
SEC tournament against Mississippi State. We weren't making shots and
we had it affect our game plan. We totally got
away from our game plan, and uh so that game
might have been a blessing in disguise and the fact
that we were focused. We stayed with us both game
plans to the t in the first two rounds of
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the tournament, and we'll have to do this, do it
again and against Creighton.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Coach Listen, it's awesome to catch up. We got to
do so in person in the meantime. Congrats on what's
been a marvelous season. Best of luck against the Blue Jays.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Thanks thanks for having me, Doug god blest you take care.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, and let's
welcome in. His team was preseason top ten around the
country and then they had one blip in the non conference,
the loss to a really good Colorado State team, some
rough games in the Big East, which is a rough conference,
but a dominating win over Yukon Lton conference season, they
seem to figure some stuff out, and now, of course
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they figured it out all the way to the Sweet sixteen.
Creighton head coach Greg McDermott joins us year on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, congrats, I'm
making the Sweet sixteen. I think if people were to
take a snapshot of the start of the season in
your preseason ranking and then you being here now, they're like, well,
that makes sense. But it was kind of a mere
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curial journey for this group. What's it been like to
coach him? You have a couple of new pieces, transfers
that come in along with the group that you had
back from last year.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, well, thank you, Doug. And you know, as you know,
sometimes in sport, one of the hardest things to do
is what you're expected to do. And you know, last
year's team also had preseason expectations similar to this year,
and we had a really rough patch where we lost
six in a row a year ago and then really
had to dig ourselves out of that and battle all
the way back. You know, this group, you know, we
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lost two games in a row, just just one time
in early uh in early February when we lost a
close game at home to Butler and then lost in
overtime at Providence. But other than that, you know, we
we never really had any sustained part of the season
where we really were off the rails. So this group
has been absolutely a joy to coach. And obviously, when
you have leadership that I have with you know, Trey, Alexander,
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Baylor Schierman, and Ryan Kulchbrenner and then you know Steven Ashworth,
you know, just just brings positive energy to practice every day.
It's a pretty good group to coach, a fun group
to coach, and you know, their leader ship's a big
reason why we're still playing.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You've you've been doing this a long time obviously, and
you mentioned last year's struggles and how you recovered, but
this year, you guys didn't sink nearly as far down?
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Did you do it?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Are you different this year with how you've handled the
poor performances than you have been in the past.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, you know, I think last year, Doug that that
group with you know, Nemhartre, Alexander and Arthur Kaluma. They
were just sophomores, you know, so they were young, and
you place that kind of expectations on guys that young,
and then when you get smacked in the face I'm
not sure you know exactly how to respond to it.
This group, you know, being a year older. You know,
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Baylor's now his second year in our program, trades a
junior calch brinners a senior. They've seen about everything and
and you know, the good news is the Big East
was so good. I think it prepared us for just
about everything we're going to see in the NCAA tournament.
We played a lot of close games, so you know
where you when you're in that situation. In a game
with Oregon, there was no panic on their face because
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you know they've been there, They've done that and obviously
made some huge plays down the stretch in that game.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm going to ask you, Daring Devrees just got the
West Virginia job. You know, Hop's do an amazing job
at high point, like you're starting to become this you know,
Creighton's obviously a well spring for coaches, always has been,
but you're starting to become this godfather of all these
coaches now moving up the coaching ranks.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
What's that like to be not just so well respected,
but be able to help coaches get into the game
in a place where they can be successful. And now
you know coach at the same level you're coaching at
guys that coach under you previously.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, it's been a fun year in that regard. You
know tj at Iowa State obviously has been terrific, and
Steve Lotz at Western Kentucky was in the NCAA termin
Eric sat Anderson at South Dakota State, and you know
you mentioned uh Devrees and Allen huss who both had
terrific years as well. So you know, really out and
you know, fun to watch their scores and their games
and communicate with them, you know, during tough times during
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their season and special times during their season. But you
know they would all tell you when they work for me.
You know, my my coaches coach, they're not just recruiters.
They touch all parts of our program. They have inputs
all parts of our program. And I think that's part
of my responsibility as a head coach is to prepare
them and give them the experience so that if they're
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fortunate enough to become a head coach, they're ready. And
you know, I think some coaches come out of some
programs and basically all they do is recruit and babysit
on campus. And they don't don't do a lot of coaching,
and I'd like to think my guys are ready when
the time comes.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, based upon their success, it feels like they've they've
they've been ready. Whatever you're doing is absolutely working. Greig McDermott,
head coach of the Crankon Blue Jays, joining us the
Doug Out Show here on Fox Sports Radio. It's interesting,
you know, you went through a style change when you
left Iowa State and you came to create you know,
and some of his personnel base. But you and I
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have talked about in the pod before how you open
it up, and now you are widely considered like the
standard for how people want to play offensively, spacing the
court for out with a big roller, allowing guys a
ton of freedom to not just go one on one,
but to shoot threes, and it's a really enjoyable way
to watch the game. Rick Barnes is kind of going
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through a little bit of transformation, like they've had some duds,
but man, they're they're playing a lot more wide open
this year. You match up with Tennessee and of course
you've coached against coach Barnes in the past, but this
is a Am I wrong to think this is a
different style of a Rick Barnes team because they're more
offensive minded.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
No question. Now let's not don't lose sight of that defense,
because it's pretty darn good what he's got going on there.
I think they have the third best defense in the country.
But it's been you know, Rick and I have been
friends a long time, and he's done a terrific job
at Tennessee. And you know, the wrinkles he continues to
add to get Dalton free has been really impressive. And
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you know he's he's a hard guard and gonna be
a very hard guard for us. You know, we just
got to try to take care of the easy one.
Take away, take away the easy ones and understanding he's
gonna make some tough ones because he's an elite player.
But you know, without doubt, you know they're playing a
little bit faster than he did before. Although you know,
back in the day when he had you know, DJ
Augustine and Durant and A j Abrams, I mean they
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were flying it up and down pretty well at that
point too. But this is a terrific Tennessee team.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
You guys are down for with like forty seconds to go,
Oregon has the ball, and you know, I mean part
of it is you have older guys that have been
through it before. But part of it is you've been
through it before.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
You you really appeared to.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Be come to be come internally. Were you as calm
as you appeared externally?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Yeah, I mean we I think it was a minute
or minute minute one oh three or something when they
got the ball, and we just decided to play it
out and you know, see if we could get a stop.
You know, worst case scenario, they score, it's still a
two possession game. Uh in a six point game, but
you know, it just it takes a little bit of luck, Doug,
when you're in that situation. And you know, when you
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make a run through the tournament, you got to get
through a game and get a little good fortune. And
you know, that ball ends up on the rebound in
Baylor Shireman's hands and we're going the other direction and
he's you know, he's he's got an incredible basketball IQ
and he just he made the referee make a call.
He ran right into the guy, threw the ball up
and we got two free throws with the clock stopped,
and and then you know, executed a press, you know,
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perfectly taking away their first couple options, and they had
to go to Dante and we followed them immediately, and
you know, he shot five free throws and that's the
only one he missed, So we got a little bit lucky.
And then you know, Baylor makes a huge play when
we had to. You know, we tried to run a
play that we thought we could get a three, and
you know, him and Calchbrenner went to work in a
little two man game after that and he made a
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big time shot.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
There's parts of your program with your similar to Purdue,
who you may face if you can beat Tennessee in
that you know, you guys are developing culpantors, perfect example,
Like that's a guy who has developed during his time
in Omaha. You know, Trey Alexander is not a transfer
right Baylor Shireman obviously is, and and uh and Steven
Ashworth is. Because you lost your point guard who's playing
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for for for Gonzaga. What's the model for Creighton, Like,
what's the what's the model in terms of building from
within and building through the portal?
Speaker 3 (40:32):
Yeah, I mean we're still going to try as long
as we can to have a mix and you know
that the rules and and the way things are going
are dictating that that's going to be very difficult to do.
But we're going to try. We're going to try to
have some guys that come into our program that you know,
have the patients to grow and learn and wait for
their opportunity. Mason Miller is a great example of that.
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Jason Green, who had a great grunt game against Oregon,
red shirted last year and didn't wasn't playing a lot
in December and Ganuary and waited his turn, and now
he was ready. So you know, we're going to try it. Doug.
You know, the key with us is I've learned of
coach long enough. We play a style of basketball that
you have to be unselfish, and I've learned that you
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can't recruit a selfish person and turn them into an
unselfish basketball player. So we're really, you know, particular with
who we recruit in terms of are they unselfish? You know,
is winning and important? Are they a great teammate? And
if that's the case, you can put together a group
of guys and you know, some years will win a
few more than other years, but you know, for the
most part, You're gonna have an enjoyable experience. And I
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think when guys have fun and there's some joy in
the game, I think you're going to see the best
version of them.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Coach listen, best of left this weekend. Cannot wait to
see you guys take on Tennessee and then hopefully the
winner of Purdue and Gunzag in the meantime. Congratulations since
what's been another marvelous season. Omaha, thanks for our guest.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I appreciate it.
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everyone has a friend, I believe who has that hair
trigger temper. And I'll admit like I have a temper,
but I know how mine comes out. You know, you
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have those days where every day where everyone annoys, you know,
there are days when one person annoys you. You can separate yourself.
Or if you work, you know some people you're a
cubicle and the guy next to you always smacking.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
There are people that you just like you sit across
room and they can't eat and you have to eat.
You know, you're going to like company company meal with
you know, with your boss, like oh god, I got
to sit across from Jimmy and Jimmy's. But people have
days when everyone's annoying them and they have you can
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you just I need to get away from people because
I want to strangle somebody.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
But then there's always a guy who has the hair
trigger temper. I think that's universal. And usually there's an expression.
I don't know if you've heard this, Who you are
when you drink is who you really are, right, okay.
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Steve Kerr is the head coach of the Golden State Warriors,
and he said before use that same sort of expression,
but he said it in regards to basketball. Who you
are as a basketball player is who you are in life.
And think about it. If that's true, Well, Steph Curry,
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he just seems to have fun and just try stuff
and just doesn't care and has a joy about him. Well,
the same can't be said for Draymond Green. Who you
are in basketball is who you are in life. That's
a dude that simply wants to is a bully. I
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don't even think it's a temper thing with him. I
think he's just a bit of a bully. And we
can piece together the encourse stuff, but there's off the
court stuff too.
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Remember he keep the crap out of a.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
Football player at Michigan State at a bar when he
went back to East Lansing, And as much as you
can say, and you know, the story that came out
was the you know, the other guy was popping off whatever.
Like you'r Draymond Green. You're literally punching down, not just
figuratively punching down. You look at what he did to
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to what's his name last year?
Speaker 2 (45:20):
Why am I forgetting?
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I all said my name? All of a sudden in
my mind was Jordan Love was like, no, he's the
quarterback of the Green Bead Packers, Jordan Poole. Look at
what he did to Jordan Poole last year. That's bullying stuff.
When you take things of hey, you need to line
him out there's one thing you take it to where
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you're actually throwing your weight around. And I understand, Like
obviously I play basketball. I know that some of that
is needed. You do need a guy that other people
are scared of. It gets other people off their game.
But more than anything, like it just helps to separate
Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, they don't have to worry about
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all that stuff. If there's a problem, Yo, he'll solve it.
You know, check out the hook while the DJ revolves it.
I mean, it's really that simple that Draymond has that role.
But the new Draymond coming off of suspension, has looked
just like the old Raymond. And we're talking four minutes
into a game last night, here's Steph Curry talking about
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the ejection.
Speaker 9 (46:25):
All I said, we need him and he knows that.
We all know that. So whatever it takes to keep
him on the floor going to be available, that's what's
got to happen, especially at this point in the year.
So it's a tough way to start the game. But
I am extremely proud of every single person that step
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put on the floor tonite and responded the way that
they did. We know how important the season is or
this part of the season is in our ability to
get into a rhythm and secure of playing opportunity and
give ourselves a shot. You don't when I have self
inflicted loans. When it comes to that.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
We all care.
Speaker 9 (47:06):
We all are passionate about the game and our chances
to something to play forward down the shirt. So you
give everything he got to this game, and.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's the emotion. Here's Steve Kerr on the ejection.
Speaker 8 (47:22):
Too bad, it was unfortunate, he deserved it, and you
know he'll he'll bounce back.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
So the question becomes for the NBA is like, what
do you do now because you put this guy, You've
suspended a guy who sat him down, you've removed him
from the team whatever. And again in and of itself,
not a huge deal in and of itself. It's like
Steve Kerr like, all right, he'll bounce back from and
he gets ejected. You know that's your punishment, and you'd
like it to not be double or triple or quadruple jeopardy.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
For the things of the past.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
But how many times do we have to put the
guy on like some sort of double secret probation when
we know he he feels like a ticking time bomb.
And it's not like he doesn't know every arena he
goes into, they're gonna be goading him.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
They're every other you know, So I understand it. But
we know who Draymond is.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
And whatever rehab he did, however long he went and
spent time by himself, at the end of the day,
who you are when you drink is just like who
you are when you play basketball. That's who you really are.
And Draymond's a guy who likes to He's the guy
who you know, I don't know, my son's fourteen, right,
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And if you've ever been around like twelve to fourteen
fifteen year old boys, like they're kind of all the same.
And there's always that guy who's like overly aggressive. He
slaps guys on the back to say hi, just like
a little bit too hard, and that doesn't stop like
you get older, they do the same thing. So I
remember Chandler Bing's balls in friends that would smack everybody
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on the backside, say Chandler Bing, right, and then when
he didn't smack on the backside, then he missed it.
Like those guys, that's who Draymond is. And there's just
no get away from it. And it's like when Steve
Kerr says he deserved it. Have you ever heard of
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coach say that before? It does feel like everybody's a
little bit tired of the act. And the worse you
are as a player, the more guys want to fight,
the more guys get into it physically, and that's what
the playoffs are going to look like. And everyone's going
to have an itchy trigger finger to throw him out
of a game because of reputation. You're listening to the
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it's interesting because as we're creeping up like this is
the part of the basketball season that we don't pay
much attention to because we're paying attention to college basketball.
And then the Masters take place, and then after the
Masters were like, oh, we've kind of like oh, baseball started,
like oh, NBA and we get ready for the NBA
(50:26):
playoffs and the Lakers aren't trending in the right way.
They played the Grizzlies on like this weird court last night.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
I don't even know. I'm sure Memphis said that all year,
but I was watching last night, going, this is the
weirdest court ever.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
The Warriors are trying to, you know, get in better
position in the play in series or maybe get out
of the play in or whatever and win games. I
think you know exactly how Draymond Green's playoffs.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Are going to go. If they make the regular playoffs.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
The Warriors be competitive. Warriors are gonna be competitive, and
at some point when it appears they're going to get beat,
his meltdown is going to be epic.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Like, I don't think the NBA, I know the NBA
in the NFL aren't rigged, but it'll feel that way
because I'm telling you what happens when it gets to
be a formality that they're not going to beat whatever
team that they play, whether it's first round, second round,
conference finals, NBA finals, that's when the meltdown will commence,
and there will be a meltdown
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