September 21, 2024 • 45 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show:Doug agrees with Nick Sirianni's controversial decision to pass the ball when his Eagles were up three points with time on his side in Monday Night's heartbreaking defeat, and Doug explains why he didn't hate the decision.
Doug welcomes football Hall Of Famer Warren Moon onto the show to talk about Tua, Bryce Young, Caleb Williams and all of the news related to quarterbacks around the NFL.
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Here's the thing I can't stand Nick Sirianni. I think
the act is super tired, but he fits Philadelphia perfectly.
On the other hand, the decision to throw the ball
to Saquon Barkley. I have no issue with at all, none, none. Again,
(01:19):
you're managing the game, and you felt like, kind of
in the old Bill Belichick mode, if we get this
first down, the game is over. Could a cake the
field goal right made it exceptionally difficult, also a possibility.
What I think is interesting is there's lots of people,
some on this network who will tell you aggressive wins.
Then somebody's aggressive and they don't win, and they're an idiot.
(01:41):
I have any problem with it, and that's the difference
to me and other people. And I actually think we'll
talk about the some on the pod. There's something to
think that Belichick had negative words about Atlanta because he's
mad because they didn't get the Atlanta job, when I'd
like to think that he, like me, like you, may
be pissed at Atlanta or not, or he may not
have really wanted that job. He wanted everybody else to
(02:02):
drive up the Atlanta to drive at the Price and
the Cowboys I fire Mike McCarthy. I don't know, But
the point is that I can think Nick Sirianni's act
is tired and a complete, you know, artificial performance and
still say, look, you got a chance to win the game.
Go win the football game. And I'm sure every Giants
(02:28):
fan was sitting there going like, say's a joker can
catch on the backfield? Seque can't? You could make all
those inferences.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think Jalen Hurts has shown he's not nearly as
good a thrower. I mean that interception was a terrible read,
a terrible throw. Obviously he's much more of a runner.
I don't have any problem with the decision or even
the play. Although Dallas Goddard was open. Who's Dallas Goddard?
Who's their tight end? Well open, right over the middle.
(03:01):
But my thing is we always tell you be aggressive,
be aggressive. Here's the guy was aggressive. Pretty safe play
call doesn't work. And because people don't like Nick Siriani,
they want to go say or they don't like the
Eagles say when the reality is like, I don't know,
I kind of like it. I don't like every decision
they made. That one. I don't mind. I know they choked,
(03:24):
but again that decision, I don't mind. You have to
you have to be able to process. Hey, I don't
like him. He's you know, it's like a WWE persona
doesn't seem like that's how he really is, or if
he is, he's just annoying. All those things are fine, fair, okay,
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but you also have to separate that when you evaluate
what he's doing and how he's doing it. And though
I don't think the Eagles are nearly as good as
maybe the reputation of their players says they should be.
I thought in that particular instance, that particular play call,
there was nothing wrong. Take one and catch the ball.
But I mean, how many times have we seen people
(04:05):
just run the ball in the line or take kick
the field goal and all of a sudden you get
in a prevail defense and they march it down the field.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You get a first down, you win a game. One
play to win a game, it's going Barca's got to
catch the ball. Jase, are you in the same place
for the Eagles or is it because you don't like
the Sirianni that you like kind of performative art and
that's kind of what he does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean, Sarah Yanni the stuff that I didn't like, Like,
what was it he had the chance to accept a
penalty for a first down wait in the game and
he declined it, which is I think the right call
time wise, But it's just a way he did it,
like he wanted to tell the crowd that it was
his decision to decline it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
No cut, He's what's called feeling himself.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah yeah, look at me. Check this out. I just
sealed the game for you guys, and then he does this.
You're right. I think the decision to pass that ball
is easy to criticize today, But my goodness, what happens
if you just literally kneel the ball twice? Like that's
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what the the Manning cast was was talking about, Like
they thought they were going to do like a tush
push for like two plays and just let that clock
go as far as it possibly can.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
The point.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, no, I got it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I get it. You absolutely can. They didn't do it
that way. I again, I don't think he's a a
great head coach. I think it's a it's an act
and people and players see through it. I don't care
about the fans seeing through it. Players, I think to
see through it. Decline the penalty again. I understand the
idea of running down the clock and running out the
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game and not getting to the ball back, but you
run the risk of this happening. Dan Byer, where are
you on Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, it's funny because I also am not a Sirianni fan,
and we've talked about this. I feel that Jalen Hurts
is more of the adult in the room than the
head coaches, and I think that's a problem. And I
felt the same thing that the people like you and
like me would pile on Nick Sirianni for his decision
(06:19):
last night, and I actually think it's rightfully so. And
the reason is is I've thought of this old adage
over the last few seasons. I think it's very important
in the National Football League. What does the other team
want you to do? And when we use that scenario,
it's usually in short yardage or fourth down situations, late
(06:42):
game situations. What would the Falcons want the Philadelphia Eagles
to do? And that is to throw the ball on
third down? They didn't want him to run it. It
would have taken more time off the clock. To the
point of whether it be tush put you know, brotherly shove,
however you want to say it, whether it's taking a
need to wind down the clock some more. But Atlanta
(07:03):
wanted you to throw the football because just maybe, just
maybe they'd get an interception or the clock would stop
and you wouldn't get any yards with that. Even if
they didn't get any yards on the third down run,
you're still running another forty seconds off of the clock.
And that's where the decision by Sirianni completely backfired, because
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the Falcons didn't have any timeouts they needed to score
that touchdown, and now you also gave them an extra
forty seconds in addition to the yardage that they didn't get.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Here's Nick Sirianni after the game.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
We wanted to they were running a certain defense and
junking it up in the middle, so we're trying to
go on around the outside, and you know, it didn't work.
Again in that scenario, I was thinking they might not
have any timeouts there, but obviously they did with the
with the incomplete pass, you know, that would have that
(08:00):
would have came down to maybe a minute, and so
we wanted to go up six points, you know, and
it didn't work. So you know, my decision to pass
it there again, like I said, you know what, they
were junking it up inside with it being fourth and
three to go for I thought you know, with them
not having any timeouts, I wanted to be down a
(08:21):
touchdown and see if they could drive the field, and
they did.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Hats off to them.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, So I don't actually mind any of the answer
or any of the response. There's ownership there, there's an
explanation there. He didn't throw Saquon under the bus, even
though he could have. He didn't throw Jaalen under the
bus for that horrific interception, even though he could have.
So I don't I don't like the Sirianni Act in general,
(08:49):
but in terms of going for it there, I don't
have a problem. And then the other part too, It
is I have long believed that Jalen hurts and his
one outlier season was just that. You know, it's just
that I don't I don't see him as an elite,
elite quarterback. I stand. I reserve the right to be wrong.
But outside of you know whatever that was fourteen games
(09:12):
or so one year, I haven't been wrong. But those
fourteen or fifteen game whatever, when he got hurt that
MVP year, he was unbelievable, unbelievable. It's the Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. We do have what I
think I think it's an outstanding show for you. Chase
dou did a hell of a job today. There's there's
(09:37):
also you know, the two there's also the two Manaers.
You guys hear this. This is the two Mannings in
Matt Ryan on that on that play call. That was
the timing of it to have a former MVP of
former Falcons quarterback and of course the Mannings in there
as well. This was so good. Take a listen. Gotta
stay on the ground here, right, Matt.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I this talk shouldn't go in the air the rest
of the game.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, I think Philly.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I think Philly might be thinking, you know, we got
we got two hours to get three yards. No, I'm
just saying I think I don't think they're gonna go
to one.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think the.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Push is coming. The push is coming. We can't throw
it here. Hey, look, two yard game here. I agree, Matt,
two yard game here. I think we're going far for one.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He's sneaking it. They oh hi, no, oh wow, they
had it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 3 (11:03):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I didn't either, but I did. I was like, it
was like watchings kind of slow death. You're like, all right,
this one's over. Started to look around. I was on
my phone and then I looked up and like, wait
what And then they saw the replay, like wait, the
last minute forty five of that game was you want
to talk about a shurnaround? And some I didn't. I
had kind of chalked it up and started kind of
(11:26):
moving mentally on from the game Dampire.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I just had there. There was a point where I
looked at the clock and they had I think there
was ten minutes left in the fourth quarter and the
game had only taken like two hours and ten minutes,
Like it was only like seven thirty hour time. It
was like a really really quick game, and because the
Eagles were chewing up clock, there weren't a lot of stoppages,
(11:50):
like the game was just moving along. But because it
went so fast, I think I had a lot of energy.
Plus there was a lot of fantasy stuff that ended
up happening at the end, and there was stuff that
I was involved with. I got saved because of the
Drake London touchdown at the end in one of my leagues.
He ended up scoring and putting me over the top.
(12:11):
I think that's another reason why people were probably locked
in and just wondering maybe they had Saquon Barkley and
needed another catch or Kirk Cousins or something like that.
But yeah, a lot changed. And then your point about
the Jalen Hurts interception. Even there, you know, the Eagles
probably had opportunities. There could be people who had Jake
Elliott as a kicker and needed two points. So that's
(12:31):
where fantasy and the betting angles keep you, keep you
locked in, even when I've kind of moved on with
the field game.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Over with, weren't the Eagles getting or giving five and
a half? Yeah? It was like six? I think it was. Yeah,
could have been. Say nobody walked away from that game
because you had to sweat out that field goal at
the end, And then I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I didn't have any money in the game, So I
don't bet on football games. So it wasn't like I
was just I'm watching the game. I was actually was
at a bar with the John Anderson who used to
do Sports Center obviously who grew up here. And I'm
watching and then end of the third I had playing time.
I went back home. I get home and I'm watching
the fourth and then all of a sudden, know, a
(13:12):
two minute warning. You're like, this one feels about done.
You know, you start going through the Okay, what else
I gotta do? Well, you're looking up, looking down, looking up,
looking down.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Completely covered up is Drake London's fifteen yard penalty. Yeah,
for the extra point, which was the difference. Young Wayku
ended up making the forty eight yard extra point. But
if he doesn't, then we're all tied up and probably
headed to overtime in that scenario, because what is the
rule there?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
What is the rule on on NFL celebrations? Because he
did the like it looked like firing a gun off
into the air.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, machine gun celebrations are not allowed and a violation. Okay, yep, I.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Listen, I have no problem if that's If that's a
rule and they know it, that's fine. Like at that
point I was I remember watching it, and I was again,
I was pouring myself a drink and I was on
the phone and I was just like, wait, why was
that a penalty? And I saw what he did. I
didn't know the machine gun? What else i'd you know?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You get?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You get two hip thrusts not three? Or is that rule?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Generations aren't allowed? Throat slash we all know is not allowed.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Throat slash.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I knew of, Yeah, yeah, post slash.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I knew of just a few of the things not allowed.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
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welcome in war Moon. He's a Hall of Famer. I'm
actually a personal friend of mine and a guy who
I just love to talk ball with sports with uh
(15:13):
but one, We're not gonna do Lakers this time. We're
not gonna do hoop. We're not gonna do Caitlin Clark
because I know you how much you love to I'm
gonna I'm gonna focus on NFL your area of expertise.
You okay with that?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I am great with that. I'll talk sports, any type
of sports with you anytime. How you doing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'm doing good man, I'm doing really well.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Good job at the Pump Foundation and dinner than too
long ago.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Thank you, thank you. It's it's one of the thrills
to see us these see so many guys that are
incredible what they've done throughout their lives, and then and
hang out and hang out and raise money for uh
for Cancer for a for a cancer ward in uh
IN in Northridge, California. Let me ask you about Tua. Okay,
what do you think do you think he plays this here.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
If the Dolphins let him. I think he wants to.
He hasn't said anything that shows me that he's even
thinking about retirement. I think he wants to get as
many opinions from different neurologists and that to kind of
help him with a decision. But I think in his
mind he wants to play unless somebody tells him some
really bad or critical news that it would change his mind.
(16:21):
You got to remember, he's twenty six years old, he
just signed a huge deal. I'm sure he has goals
that he wants to accomplish on the field. And I
know there's a risk if he does go back out there,
but every guy that goes out there takes that risk.
So I think he's going to look at it as
strongly as he can to come back and try and play.
And if he retired, it wouldn't surprise me because it
(16:44):
would probably be the best thing for him. I don't
think it would hurt him if he retired, But if
he goes back out and plays, I wouldn't be surprised
by that either.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm sure, especially playing in Canada. And before we checked
on him, you suffered through concussions. Remember about how many.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I've had six and those are just the ones that
were diagnosed. You know, there was a lot of other
plays where you get your your head dinged and you
you kind of lose it for a second, and before
you get your marbles back and then all of a
sudden you're able to call the next play. But yeah,
you know, football is a brutal game, and everybody that
plays it understands that when they get into it. There's
(17:25):
guys that I know and you know, like the late
Junior Seou you know, he took his life, and I
think a lot of it was because of the CTE
that he had in his brain, and other guys that
I've known as well. So that's something that you just
have to deal with and you have to accept that
it might be part of your it might be part
of your life going forward, and it's how much of
(17:46):
that you want to accept and how much of it
you're willing to deal with later on in life, whether
that comes or not. And so far, I'm you know,
I'm sixty seven years old and I'm doing pretty good.
I've had a lot of neurological tests to make sure
of that, but you just never know. Every day you
wake up wondering, Okay, when when is maybe some of
those effects gonna gonna enter into my body.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You're sixty seven years old, yes, sir? Do you It's
like do you moisturize? Like, what's the deal? I know,
I know black done. Crack, I got it, But seriously,
what's the deal.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, my mom. You know, my mother's ninety seven and
she's still living, and I showed you a picture of her,
you'd understand why. Maybe the genes that I have. I
really take good care of myself. And you know, I
grew up with a mom and six girls. My dad
passed when I was seven, so I learned a lot
of things women do to take care of their body
(18:40):
and their skin and all those different things that I
try and follow those those habits.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Definitely moisturizes, right, guys, Guys, there's no doubt he's a
he's a he's a he's a moisturizer. Not gonna be ashy,
but I'm he's one of those guys that he's putting
all the good stuff on because there's.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Not moisturizer either. You got to use good, good moisturizer.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, definitely, Bryce. I don't know if he's good enough,
but I don't think that's what this is. As much
as he has no confidence, right, Like, can't you can't
go from being what he was at modern day, what
he was at Alabama to being like the very very
basic throws he's not making he's not seeing. Is that
(19:18):
a fair assessment that right now it's forget about talent
and upside and selim we can become. He's just completely
lost as confidence. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think he has, and I think he's shell shocked
a little bit too. The kid has gotten the crap
kicked out of him the last year and a couple
of games this season. Every time I look at highlights him,
he's taking huge hits. And as a quarterback, you can
only take so much of that before you start and
not focusing on the defense, but you're focusing on the
pass rush. Where is my escape going to be? Where
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can I get out of this madness? Because you got
to remember, when you're in that pocket, it's like five collisions,
car collisions happening right around you, and you're supposed to
stand there and watch all that happen, but also be
able to focus downfield and throw the football. So if
you get too much of that to where people are
beating on you, there's just a matter of time before
you're not going to be able to have that focus
(20:12):
down the field. You're going to be looking at it,
like I said, your escape pattern or how you can
get out of that mess, and that's what he's doing
right now. He's looking at the pass rush and he's
not able to focus down the field, and he's not
able to throw the football the way he wants to,
because you have to be able to have that focus
down the field on your receiver on the secondary in
order to be successful throwing the football, and he's not
(20:33):
able to do that right now.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, moon's our guests. He's a Hall of Fame quarterback
who of course knows it all because he's gone through
every element of this as a quarterback. Okay, so here's
the big question. Can you get it back?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think he can in the right environment, but it's
not going to happen overnight. I think he'd be better
off maybe going to another address, get out of that
situation there in Caroll, because it's probably going to be
negative until he actually gets on the field and does
a lot of great things, and then he probably needs
to sit behind somebody else. You know, a quarterback this
(21:12):
pretty successful that he can look and learn from where
he doesn't have to get out on the field. And
that's what I hate about these these number one draft
picks or number one overall draft picks. They have to
get on the field, sometimes before they're ready before sometimes
before the organization is ready for them to play. You
watch Caleb Williams the other night. He got his tail
wrecked against against Houston. They were hitting him everywhere, and
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that affects your confidence. And I'm sure he was rocked
a little bit after that game was over by the
amount of punishment that he took in that game that
he's probably not used to taking over the last, you know,
so many years of his college career. But sometimes when
you go to situations where an organization doesn't have the
surrounding cast and the infrastructure that you need, you're going
(21:58):
to go through that. It's how it affects you and
can you overcome that or will it affect your confidence?
And we've seen many number one overall draft picks this
happened to because they usually go to bad teams.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They definitely do it. Stug Out Leaves show here on
Fox Sports. Right, Warren Moon is our guest. We're talking
all things football, all things quarterback. Let's get to Caleb Williams. Okay,
So Caleb Williams is the number one prospect. Obviously at Oklahoma,
he came in three games in set the world on fire,
then goes to USC good first year, second year forces
(22:32):
of all too much, they have a tough year, still
goes number one overall, They build a whole new offense
around him. Struggle with some accuracy issues in the preseason,
and those struggles have continued through two games with the Bears.
What's your assessment of Caleb so far?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, I think he's learning how to be a more
structured quarterback, something that he was never asked to do
when he was at Oklahoma or USC. He was more
of an improviser and he was going to make happened,
you know, after the fact, second second what do you
call him? Second response plays? You know, after the play
breaks down. That's where he made a lot of his
(23:09):
plays in the NFL. You can only do that so
many times because those guys are just as big and
fast as you are, and you're not gonna be able
to run away from those guys like you did in college.
And he tried to do that a couple of times
the other night. It's just not going to happen. So
you better learn to be more structured. You better learn
to be more on time with your throws, and then
you do have that special ability that he does have
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that when he needs to do that, be able to
do that and make some of those plays per ball game,
kind of like Patrick Mahomes. They had to kind of
coach that out of Patrick when he first came into
the league, but he got a chance to sit and
watch Alex Smith for a year before he had to
actually get on the field, and then once he got
out there, he understood that I can't run around here
and do all these things. I've got to stay within
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the structure of the offense. But I do have the
ability if things do break down, I can make things
happen with my legs. And I think Caleb just had
to start to understand that. And I think watching his
play the other night, if he watches that film closely,
he'll see where he did some really good things from
the pocket. I think he was about sixty five percent
thrower that night, but he was forced to make a
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bunch of plays at the end because they were behind
and they weren't able to run the football that well.
So I think that's where it really hurt him. But
I think he's going to be okay because there's good
talent there, there's good weapons there. But they're still going
to have to show up that middle part of their
offensive line. That's where he got a lot of pressure
right up the middle, and that's where most quarterbacks don't
(24:37):
want to get that pressure from. They don't want to
get it up in their face like that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Stut Gottlieb show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Warren Moon
is our guest. What about Jalen Hurts. You know last
year Shane Stike and Leaves and the offense, even though
they got off to a ten not start, it was clunky.
He wasn't the same now here. We are two games
in there, one and one, but bad pick. Doesn't look
(25:05):
like the quarterback he was two years ago. I don't know.
It feels like he's still not in sync with the
play calling, with the offense. But again we're the layman,
you're the expert. What do you see with Jalen with
yet another new offense.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, that's part of the problem. This will be his
third offensive coordinator in the last three years. He had.
He had success with Shane and then all of a sudden,
I forgot who came in last year. I think it
was his quarterback coach took over his offensive coordinator and
now he's to another coordinator, so he's having to learn
and I think the coordinator's having to learn him as
(25:41):
well what he does well. And one of the problems,
Doug is none of these guys play in the preseason,
so you have a new play caller come in, you
don't play much, you know, in games, and then all
of a sudden when the game start, now they want
you to be sharp, you know, like you've been playing
all preseason long, and you haven't so and on the run.
These are things, These are mistakes that he should be
(26:02):
making in preseason games. But he doesn't play in the preseason,
just like a lot of these other quarterbacks, and I
think it really affects them, you know, those first two
three games into the season before they get their you know,
their feet up underneath them. So that's part of that's
part of it. And then another thing I see with
Jayalen he's bailing too fast. He's bailing the pocket sometimes
(26:23):
too quickly. He's not letting the plays develop and he
wants to take off and run and that's something he
did in his first two years when he was in Philadelphia.
I want to see him get back and sit in
the pocket and let these plays, develop, read them out
and throw the football as opposed to, you know, trying
to make everything happen with his feet.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
War Moon joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Of course, Warren's Hall of Famer in the Nation Football League,
Hall of Famer in the Canadian Football League as well.
Aaron Rodgers plays the Patriots on Thursday. How you know,
here's a guy who week one didn't move like he
used to nobody does in there forty but been coming
off an achilles better in game two. But again, I'm
(27:06):
the name and you're the expert. What have you seen
from from Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I think Aaron's just trying to get comfortable again.
You know, you got to remember, he's only played up
coming into this season, you know, four plays in the
last two years because he was heard all of last
year after the achilles injury. So it's been a while
before he's actually played a whole football game. And he
finally did that a couple of weeks ago, and he
got a little bit better this week. Uh, he's still
(27:31):
you know, learning, learning his players. He's still having to
learn the things he can and can't do from the
from the achilles. I'm sure what he feels comfortable with
and what he doesn't and all, and he's doing all
that in game time situation. So again, he's another guy
that didn't play during the preseason, so he's kind of
doing all this stuff. It's like on the job training.
You're you're you're playing a real game, still trying to
(27:53):
figure out what you do best, as opposed to maybe
getting that done during the preseason. So I blame a
lot of these coaches for for the slow starts for
all these offenses this year, because these guys didn't get
a chance to play or didn't want them to play
during the preseason. And that's why you see these offenses behind.
They're just not They're not in tune, they're not playing
with a lot of rhythm, and it takes it's going
(28:15):
to take a couple of weeks for these teams to
really get up and going to the speed that they
want to get going at because they just haven't played enough.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Sounds like you got some emails to return, just just
telling you. I hear that sound. I know you got
emails in return. We got bills we have to pay
coming in. You got emails coming in warning. You're the best.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Let's catch up offline really soon. I appreciate you joining.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Us, all right, Doug, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Let's talk down the road.
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In the meantime, it is Thursday. It is football, but
it's also throwback Thursday. We play a little don't call
it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Don't call it a throwback. Throw Back Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay, so September twentieth, but it's only September nineteenth. Why
did you put September twenty, two thousand and nine on
my calendar? There, Jase too.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'll take it from here, Doug, thank you. September twentieth,
two thousand and nine. I want each and everybody listening
to the show right now, and all the participating members
of the show, to go back to two thousand and nine.
What were you doing in the fall of two thousand
and nine. I'll tell you what the Jets were doing
on September twentieth. In two thousand and nine, they held
(30:59):
the Patriots three first half field goals. We're talking about
the Patriots with Randy Moss and Tom Brady. The Jets
beat the Patriots sixteen to nine, held the Patriots under
three hundred yards, the most impressive defensive performance of the
Rex Ryan era for the Jets. And if you're asking
(31:23):
yourself as a listener, what about that game makes it
special to Fox Sports Radio, Well, I'm going to tell you.
On Sundays here on the network, Dan Byer hosts a
show with Kerry Rhodes. Guess who was a defensive player
on the field that night for the New York Jets.
Kerry rhoads, if Dan Mike is up, if he was
(31:45):
potted up, he would have married. So take your I
would say, I just gave you one of these. I
know you can't see it on radio, but hands out
to the south for me. Yeah, shoulder shrug emoji dad.
If you go back to the fall of two thousand
and nine, Doug, and you think about how dominant the
(32:06):
Patriots were two years from their undefeated season, but the Jets,
has Doug pointed out in the first segment, they were
the pesky dog barking they were the loud dog barking
at the feet of the big Dynasty Patriots. Great year
two thousand and nine. What do you guys remember most
from that year.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I've got a couple of things outside of the National
Football League that I'll get to in a second, but
football wise, it was the lone year that Jim Morrow
was the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, ushering in
the Pete Carroll era that ended up following afterwards. Not
that everything was thought to be great and continued to
(32:49):
humm in Seattle like they were with Mike Homgrin. The
home Grin era kind of puttered out in Seattle, and
Jim Morrow was brought on staff and was going to
be the coach in waiting, and he took over and
they went five and eleven and then he got booted.
So it was like this, I don't know, this lull
between two great tenures of the Seattle Seahawks. So it
(33:11):
was a very blah year for me when it comes
to fandom, because the Seahawks were just whatever in that
one season under Jim Morrow.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And you remember Jim Moore. Before he got that job,
he was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. Right, yes,
And he went on a Seattle radio show with some
of his buddies and he said like, Hey, I don't
care if it's some bit of a playoff chase whatever.
If Washington calls me, Seattle calls me, that's home. I'm
coming home. Right.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Really that did?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I think remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yes, of course that it was just one of those
all timers, like what.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, that was the year that the Saints beat the
crap out of everybody, and then there wasn't that bounty gate?
Was that Brett Farves year in the Vikings when he
almost got killed in the NFC title game?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, and that's where they had Remember they had the
the footage of the they had the footage of not
to walk through the meeting the night before where they
were giving the money signs.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You know, if you take them out, Yes, they both
both those teams, like the Saints. Did the Saints start
out like like thirteen and oh or something like that
that year and then they yeah, that year they they
were eight and oh and then they started out thirteen
and oh and then lost their last three regular season
(34:38):
games and then ended up going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Thirteen and oh Peyton Mannon won the MVP, led US
Colts to the Super Bowl to lose.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I got so, what the World Series that year?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Oh? N Yankees?
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Right, Yes, that's their last one.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
That was the a rod one. Yeah, I think so
if we're so.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
You know, I'm a Packers fan. And two thousand and
nine was an interesting year because it was really like
the first year Aaron Rodgers got it going in Green Bay.
They finished within an eleven and five record, and they
lost to the Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs in one
of the wildest back and forth playoff games I've ever seen,
fifty one to forty five. It was one most exciting.
I mean, fifty one to forty five. That's like a
(35:29):
Texas Tech versus you know, I don't even know this
Boise State score or something. I don't know, So that
was exciting. It fell a lot of optimism with Aaron
Rodgers there the Packers. And was Kurt one Er the
quarter of back of that Cardinals team?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I want to say yes, yeah, I would have been
the following year yeah, after the Super Bowl, right, yep?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
And then for me and my fandom with College Iowa
in two thousand and nine started out the year nine
and oh one of those on September what was it?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
What was the date?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
September twentieth is from the nineteenth That was a Saturday.
They were playing the Arizona Wildcats and a very exciting
non conference game. The quarterback for the Arizona Wildcats was
Nick Foles and they had an injured tight end tight
end named Rob Gronkowski who he didn't play, So you
had Nick Foles and then Gronk was on the roster
for those Wildcats exciting game. I was there as twenty
seven to seventeen win for Iowa and then again started
(36:24):
nine to zero, got the fourth in the nation, and
then passed off.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Now is that the year that who won the Heisman Trophy?
I'm asking because I think it was mark Ingram. It was,
but it should have been in Dominican Sue right in
Dominican Sioue. I think that's the year Nebraska last got
to a Big twelve title game. They played Texas and
if you remember that game, he thoroughly dominated the game
and he was being doubled in triple team the entire game,
(36:50):
and it reminded me of who's seen fast times Ridgemond High.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Jay s Douw, I know that's ye right, I have
actually yeah, ets.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
What was.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
What was the star football player who they crashed his
car and then spray painted on it and then he
just like took out the whole team because of the
other team, because of it. That for Charles Jefferson, Charles
Jefferson was played by uh Forest, Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I thought they just flew him in for home games.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Uh yeah, that's and he and Dominkins. Who's game film
look like? Forrest Whitaker? What was his name? Was the
character's name? Charles Jefferson Charles Jefferson's character in Fast Times
Richmond High.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I know you got my Earth Winding Fire tickets.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's pretty good, right. We're making Fast Times Ridgemont High.
It's really interesting though, if you think about it. Everybody
makes Caddyshack references, Caddy shack way older. I don't know
way older, but older. Why don't people make more Fast
Times Richmond High references?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think sports nuts are more Caddy shock fast times.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
This means it's like there's there's there's marginally less sports
in past times Ridgemont High. There's not a ton of
ton a ton of golf in Catayshack obviously the culmination,
the final scenes and the gopher or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
But anyway, now that you bring up movie watchers, Doug,
I think the listeners are thinking, what were we watching
on TV in the fall of two thousand and nine?
And I've got that answer.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Two TV shows that made him a huge mark, a
huge mark. Modern Family debuted September two thousand and nine,
would go on to be an iconic show. And then
Jersey Shore. Jersey Shore debuted in December of that year,
again a show that really made its mark. What is it, Sam?
(38:46):
The situation? Oh Jersey Shore? Wait?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yes, Mike never saw never saw an episode?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Oh? I did one and two? I think I haven't
tried to watch some the recent ones I had.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
That we had twins that year two thousand and nine.
I don't remember anything.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
What was it GTL Yeah, Jim Tann and laundry. Yeah,
Jim Tann and laundry. You gotta do that every day? Yeah? Yeah,
that's how productive these citizens were. They Jim Tann and laundry,
That's what they would do. Oh you know what happened
that year? Iconic moment. Yet again, Kanye West did not
like that Taylor Swift won the Oh that was.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
When he interrupt interrupted her at one of the awards shows.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It sounded like this, No, Taylor, I'm really happy for you.
I'ma let you finish.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
But Beyonce had one of her best videos of all time,
one of their best videos all time. Have be an
indicator of things that come for Kanye, just kind of
being out there a little bit.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Also a good rule of like rushing the stage never
turns out well.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Will Smith? Who is the who?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
The artist that joined jay Z and Alicia Keys when
they were doing you know why am I blanking? You
know the New York song? Yeah, Empire's state of Mind? Remember,
And she came on stage and she was like, it
never works out well ever at an award show. You
being on stage when you shouldn't be on stage never
(40:20):
turns out well. I'm trying to think of who that was,
do you know what? You know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I can't remember who they was.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I I have.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
By the way, So Ali show Fox s portray this
is I don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, No, that's okay. So two thousand and nine in
the Gulf World is one that.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Stands out to me that wasn't tiger Wood's got in
the car crash, was there?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
It was yeah, in that in that that fall. But
also what happened that August is something that we had
never seen before. Tiger Woods had to lead to major
and didn't win the tournament. Entering the final round, Yi
Yang comes back and beats him at Hazeltine, and it
(41:05):
was like, whoa wait a second. Little did we know
how much things would change after that. But you remember
Tiger Woods, this was after you know, playing on the
a year after playing on the torn acl and the
broken leg and the whole thing at Tory Pines. Came
back that next year and had an opportunity to win
another major, and y E Yang came from behind and
(41:30):
upset Tiger Woods at the PGA Championship. But not the
biggest moment of two thousand and nine in golf, because
that was when Tom Watson had a chance to win
the Open Championship at Turnberry with a par on the
eighteenth hole, and instead his second shot went long, chose
to putt it back on the green, and then as
(41:51):
attempted par putt that would have won him the championship
to become the oldest major champion winner by far, in
a record that would have I think stood the t time.
He ends up missing his par putt, didn't put a
good effort on it at all, and Stuart Sink ended
up winning the Open Championship that year. Not to mention
that my guy Kenny Perry had a two stroke lead
(42:14):
after sixteen or seventy holes of the Masters, two shot
lead after sixteen on Sunday, went bogie bogie, and then
lost in a playoff that was eventually won by Onel Cabrera.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Oh geez, I'm looking at Dan Byro right now, I've
got a vantage point. There's no notes in front of him. Now.
That was all off the top of the folks.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
In two thousand and nine, our buddy Hunter Mayhan was
in the thick of it at the US Open, which
was crazy. Was at beth Page. Of course, it rained
like all weekend long, so they had to finish on Monday.
Lucas Glover ended up winning. Phil was in contention, you
know a little bit there. But it was just a crazy,
crazy year for golf's majors when you had all these
(42:54):
storylines but your winners were on hell. Cabrera Lucas Glover,
Stuart Sink, e Yang not necessarily a who's who, although
all respectable players. Don't get me wrong, Lucas Glover solid,
solid player, Stuart sinc really one of the good ones
out there. But what could have been in those good
(43:16):
at a Watson and Woods to wrap up the season?
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know what Stuart Sink was probably listening to in
his earbuds, iPod iPod buds, probably listening to some Lady
Gaga who entered the scene in two thousand and nine.
Poker Face and Just Dance charted all year round. The
music world has never been the same since Lady Gaga hit.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
I do enjoy Lady Gaga quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah. I think she's super talented. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Even before the whole Shallow movie actress like just her
songs were good, I thought she is.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
She's remarkably talented, Yes, remarkably talented.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
She's in the musical Joker. She plays opposite Walk in
Phoenix and the Musical Joker too. I think she could
be Egot material.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
At some point you think, do you don't think she's
got the acting Chopstan or you just said for one
movie what you got Emmy Grammy, Oscar Tony winning them all.
It's like it's like the triple crown of triple Crown.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
No, I did not say that at all. What I
was saying was I think that she then became very
very I don't want to say mainstream, but when you
have the movie and you do the movie thing like
you're even but she was a huge, huge musical star
obviously even prior to that. But the movie I think
(44:40):
also then put her on another level because we're like, Wow,
she can act and she's writing these songs, and it's
like it's almost overload.
Speaker 7 (44:48):
You're like, oh my gosh, she's a renaissance woman.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
She is anything else.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Two thousand and nine, Oh what a year.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
My daughters were born.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
A little bit of a recesion we're in, right, Well.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
That's when it started. Yeah, it started.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
It was, it was, it was.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
It wasn't a little bit of recession on I know,
the worst housing crisis in the history Nights States.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
Didn't it start though? In two thousand and eight really
got underway, okay, and then it was being bad in
nine nine, it was really bad. We'll bump off to
kind of a rough start to his presidency. But Yeap
did win second term.
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Here's the thing I can't stand Nick Sirianni. I think
the act is super tired, but he fits Philadelphia perfectly.
On the other hand, the decision to throw the ball
to Saquon Barkley. I have no issue with at all, none, none. Again,
(01:19):
you're managing the game, and you felt like, kind of
in the old Bill Belichick mode, if we get this
first down, the game is over. Could a cake the
field goal right made it exceptionally difficult, also a possibility.
What I think is interesting is there's lots of people,
some on this network who will tell you aggressive wins.
Then somebody's aggressive and they don't win, and they're an idiot.
(01:41):
I have any problem with it, and that's the difference
to me and other people. And I actually think we'll
talk about the some on the pod. There's something to
think that Belichick had negative words about Atlanta because he's
mad because they didn't get the Atlanta job, when I'd
like to think that he, like me, like you, may
be pissed at Atlanta or not, or he may not
have really wanted that job. He wanted everybody else to
(02:02):
drive up the Atlanta to drive at the Price and
the Cowboys I fire Mike McCarthy. I don't know, But
the point is that I can think Nick Sirianni's act
is tired and a complete, you know, artificial performance and
still say, look, you got a chance to win the game.
Go win the football game. And I'm sure every Giants
(02:28):
fan was sitting there going like, say's a joker can
catch on the backfield? Seque can't? You could make all
those inferences.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think Jalen Hurts has shown he's not nearly as
good a thrower. I mean that interception was a terrible read,
a terrible throw. Obviously he's much more of a runner.
I don't have any problem with the decision or even
the play. Although Dallas Goddard was open. Who's Dallas Goddard?
Who's their tight end? Well open, right over the middle.
(03:01):
But my thing is we always tell you be aggressive,
be aggressive. Here's the guy was aggressive. Pretty safe play
call doesn't work. And because people don't like Nick Siriani,
they want to go say or they don't like the
Eagles say when the reality is like, I don't know,
I kind of like it. I don't like every decision
they made. That one. I don't mind. I know they choked,
(03:24):
but again that decision, I don't mind. You have to
you have to be able to process. Hey, I don't
like him. He's you know, it's like a WWE persona
doesn't seem like that's how he really is, or if
he is, he's just annoying. All those things are fine, fair, okay,
(03:44):
but you also have to separate that when you evaluate
what he's doing and how he's doing it. And though
I don't think the Eagles are nearly as good as
maybe the reputation of their players says they should be.
I thought in that particular instance, that particular play call,
there was nothing wrong. Take one and catch the ball.
But I mean, how many times have we seen people
(04:05):
just run the ball in the line or take kick
the field goal and all of a sudden you get
in a prevail defense and they march it down the field.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
You get a first down, you win a game. One
play to win a game, it's going Barca's got to
catch the ball. Jase, are you in the same place
for the Eagles or is it because you don't like
the Sirianni that you like kind of performative art and
that's kind of what he does.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, I mean, Sarah Yanni the stuff that I didn't like, Like,
what was it he had the chance to accept a
penalty for a first down wait in the game and
he declined it, which is I think the right call
time wise, But it's just a way he did it,
like he wanted to tell the crowd that it was
his decision to decline it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
No cut, He's what's called feeling himself.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah yeah, look at me. Check this out. I just
sealed the game for you guys, and then he does this.
You're right. I think the decision to pass that ball
is easy to criticize today, But my goodness, what happens
if you just literally kneel the ball twice? Like that's
(05:12):
what the the Manning cast was was talking about, Like
they thought they were going to do like a tush
push for like two plays and just let that clock
go as far as it possibly can.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
The point.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, no, I got it.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I get it. You absolutely can. They didn't do it
that way. I again, I don't think he's a a
great head coach. I think it's a it's an act
and people and players see through it. I don't care
about the fans seeing through it. Players, I think to
see through it. Decline the penalty again. I understand the
idea of running down the clock and running out the
(05:50):
game and not getting to the ball back, but you
run the risk of this happening. Dan Byer, where are
you on Nick Sirianni.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah, it's funny because I also am not a Sirianni fan,
and we've talked about this. I feel that Jalen Hurts
is more of the adult in the room than the
head coaches, and I think that's a problem. And I
felt the same thing that the people like you and
like me would pile on Nick Sirianni for his decision
(06:19):
last night, and I actually think it's rightfully so. And
the reason is is I've thought of this old adage
over the last few seasons. I think it's very important
in the National Football League. What does the other team
want you to do? And when we use that scenario,
it's usually in short yardage or fourth down situations, late
(06:42):
game situations. What would the Falcons want the Philadelphia Eagles
to do? And that is to throw the ball on
third down? They didn't want him to run it. It
would have taken more time off the clock. To the
point of whether it be tush put you know, brotherly shove,
however you want to say it, whether it's taking a
need to wind down the clock some more. But Atlanta
(07:03):
wanted you to throw the football because just maybe, just
maybe they'd get an interception or the clock would stop
and you wouldn't get any yards with that. Even if
they didn't get any yards on the third down run,
you're still running another forty seconds off of the clock.
And that's where the decision by Sirianni completely backfired, because
(07:25):
the Falcons didn't have any timeouts they needed to score
that touchdown, and now you also gave them an extra
forty seconds in addition to the yardage that they didn't get.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Here's Nick Sirianni after the game.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
We wanted to they were running a certain defense and
junking it up in the middle, so we're trying to
go on around the outside, and you know, it didn't work.
Again in that scenario, I was thinking they might not
have any timeouts there, but obviously they did with the
with the incomplete pass, you know, that would have that
(08:00):
would have came down to maybe a minute, and so
we wanted to go up six points, you know, and
it didn't work. So you know, my decision to pass
it there again, like I said, you know what, they
were junking it up inside with it being fourth and
three to go for I thought you know, with them
not having any timeouts, I wanted to be down a
(08:21):
touchdown and see if they could drive the field, and
they did.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Hats off to them.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, So I don't actually mind any of the answer
or any of the response. There's ownership there, there's an
explanation there. He didn't throw Saquon under the bus, even
though he could have. He didn't throw Jaalen under the
bus for that horrific interception, even though he could have.
So I don't I don't like the Sirianni Act in general,
(08:49):
but in terms of going for it there, I don't
have a problem. And then the other part too, It
is I have long believed that Jalen hurts and his
one outlier season was just that. You know, it's just
that I don't I don't see him as an elite,
elite quarterback. I stand. I reserve the right to be wrong.
But outside of you know whatever that was fourteen games
(09:12):
or so one year, I haven't been wrong. But those
fourteen or fifteen game whatever, when he got hurt that
MVP year, he was unbelievable, unbelievable. It's the Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. We do have what I
think I think it's an outstanding show for you. Chase
dou did a hell of a job today. There's there's
(09:37):
also you know, the two there's also the two Manaers.
You guys hear this. This is the two Mannings in
Matt Ryan on that on that play call. That was
the timing of it to have a former MVP of
former Falcons quarterback and of course the Mannings in there
as well. This was so good. Take a listen. Gotta
stay on the ground here, right, Matt.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I this talk shouldn't go in the air the rest
of the game.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, I think Philly.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
I think Philly might be thinking, you know, we got
we got two hours to get three yards. No, I'm
just saying I think I don't think they're gonna go
to one.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I think the.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
Push is coming. The push is coming. We can't throw
it here. Hey, look, two yard game here. I agree, Matt,
two yard game here. I think we're going far for one.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
He's sneaking it. They oh hi, no, oh wow, they
had it.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
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Speaker 3 (11:03):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I didn't either, but I did. I was like, it
was like watchings kind of slow death. You're like, all right,
this one's over. Started to look around. I was on
my phone and then I looked up and like, wait
what And then they saw the replay, like wait, the
last minute forty five of that game was you want
to talk about a shurnaround? And some I didn't. I
had kind of chalked it up and started kind of
(11:26):
moving mentally on from the game Dampire.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
I just had there. There was a point where I
looked at the clock and they had I think there
was ten minutes left in the fourth quarter and the
game had only taken like two hours and ten minutes,
Like it was only like seven thirty hour time. It
was like a really really quick game, and because the
Eagles were chewing up clock, there weren't a lot of stoppages,
(11:50):
like the game was just moving along. But because it
went so fast, I think I had a lot of energy.
Plus there was a lot of fantasy stuff that ended
up happening at the end, and there was stuff that
I was involved with. I got saved because of the
Drake London touchdown at the end in one of my leagues.
He ended up scoring and putting me over the top.
(12:11):
I think that's another reason why people were probably locked
in and just wondering maybe they had Saquon Barkley and
needed another catch or Kirk Cousins or something like that.
But yeah, a lot changed. And then your point about
the Jalen Hurts interception. Even there, you know, the Eagles
probably had opportunities. There could be people who had Jake
Elliott as a kicker and needed two points. So that's
(12:31):
where fantasy and the betting angles keep you, keep you
locked in, even when I've kind of moved on with
the field game.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Over with, weren't the Eagles getting or giving five and
a half? Yeah? It was like six? I think it was. Yeah,
could have been. Say nobody walked away from that game
because you had to sweat out that field goal at
the end, And then I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
I didn't have any money in the game, So I
don't bet on football games. So it wasn't like I
was just I'm watching the game. I was actually was
at a bar with the John Anderson who used to
do Sports Center obviously who grew up here. And I'm
watching and then end of the third I had playing time.
I went back home. I get home and I'm watching
the fourth and then all of a sudden, know, a
(13:12):
two minute warning. You're like, this one feels about done.
You know, you start going through the Okay, what else
I gotta do? Well, you're looking up, looking down, looking up,
looking down.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Completely covered up is Drake London's fifteen yard penalty. Yeah,
for the extra point, which was the difference. Young Wayku
ended up making the forty eight yard extra point. But
if he doesn't, then we're all tied up and probably
headed to overtime in that scenario, because what is the
rule there?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
What is the rule on on NFL celebrations? Because he
did the like it looked like firing a gun off
into the air.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, machine gun celebrations are not allowed and a violation. Okay, yep, I.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Listen, I have no problem if that's If that's a
rule and they know it, that's fine. Like at that
point I was I remember watching it, and I was again,
I was pouring myself a drink and I was on
the phone and I was just like, wait, why was
that a penalty? And I saw what he did. I
didn't know the machine gun? What else i'd you know?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You get?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You get two hip thrusts not three? Or is that rule?
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Generations aren't allowed? Throat slash we all know is not allowed.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Throat slash.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I knew of, Yeah, yeah, post slash.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
I knew of just a few of the things not allowed.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
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Speaker 1 (14:30):
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the show DraftKings. The crown is yours. Yeah, okay, let's
welcome in war Moon. He's a Hall of Famer. I'm
actually a personal friend of mine and a guy who
I just love to talk ball with sports with uh
(15:13):
but one, We're not gonna do Lakers this time. We're
not gonna do hoop. We're not gonna do Caitlin Clark
because I know you how much you love to I'm
gonna I'm gonna focus on NFL your area of expertise.
You okay with that?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I am great with that. I'll talk sports, any type
of sports with you anytime. How you doing.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
I'm doing good man, I'm doing really well.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Good job at the Pump Foundation and dinner than too
long ago.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Thank you, thank you. It's it's one of the thrills
to see us these see so many guys that are
incredible what they've done throughout their lives, and then and
hang out and hang out and raise money for uh
for Cancer for a for a cancer ward in uh
IN in Northridge, California. Let me ask you about Tua. Okay,
what do you think do you think he plays this here.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
If the Dolphins let him. I think he wants to.
He hasn't said anything that shows me that he's even
thinking about retirement. I think he wants to get as
many opinions from different neurologists and that to kind of
help him with a decision. But I think in his
mind he wants to play unless somebody tells him some
really bad or critical news that it would change his mind.
(16:21):
You got to remember, he's twenty six years old, he
just signed a huge deal. I'm sure he has goals
that he wants to accomplish on the field. And I
know there's a risk if he does go back out there,
but every guy that goes out there takes that risk.
So I think he's going to look at it as
strongly as he can to come back and try and play.
And if he retired, it wouldn't surprise me because it
(16:44):
would probably be the best thing for him. I don't
think it would hurt him if he retired, But if
he goes back out and plays, I wouldn't be surprised
by that either.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm sure, especially playing in Canada. And before we checked
on him, you suffered through concussions. Remember about how many.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I've had six and those are just the ones that
were diagnosed. You know, there was a lot of other
plays where you get your your head dinged and you
you kind of lose it for a second, and before
you get your marbles back and then all of a
sudden you're able to call the next play. But yeah,
you know, football is a brutal game, and everybody that
plays it understands that when they get into it. There's
(17:25):
guys that I know and you know, like the late
Junior Seou you know, he took his life, and I
think a lot of it was because of the CTE
that he had in his brain, and other guys that
I've known as well. So that's something that you just
have to deal with and you have to accept that
it might be part of your it might be part
of your life going forward, and it's how much of
(17:46):
that you want to accept and how much of it
you're willing to deal with later on in life, whether
that comes or not. And so far, I'm you know,
I'm sixty seven years old and I'm doing pretty good.
I've had a lot of neurological tests to make sure
of that, but you just never know. Every day you
wake up wondering, Okay, when when is maybe some of
those effects gonna gonna enter into my body.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
You're sixty seven years old, yes, sir? Do you It's
like do you moisturize? Like, what's the deal? I know,
I know black done. Crack, I got it, But seriously,
what's the deal.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Well, my mom. You know, my mother's ninety seven and
she's still living, and I showed you a picture of her,
you'd understand why. Maybe the genes that I have. I
really take good care of myself. And you know, I
grew up with a mom and six girls. My dad
passed when I was seven, so I learned a lot
of things women do to take care of their body
(18:40):
and their skin and all those different things that I
try and follow those those habits.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Definitely moisturizes, right, guys, Guys, there's no doubt he's a
he's a he's a he's a moisturizer. Not gonna be ashy,
but I'm he's one of those guys that he's putting
all the good stuff on because there's.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Not moisturizer either. You got to use good, good moisturizer.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, definitely, Bryce. I don't know if he's good enough,
but I don't think that's what this is. As much
as he has no confidence, right, Like, can't you can't
go from being what he was at modern day, what
he was at Alabama to being like the very very
basic throws he's not making he's not seeing. Is that
(19:18):
a fair assessment that right now it's forget about talent
and upside and selim we can become. He's just completely
lost as confidence. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think he has, and I think he's shell shocked
a little bit too. The kid has gotten the crap
kicked out of him the last year and a couple
of games this season. Every time I look at highlights him,
he's taking huge hits. And as a quarterback, you can
only take so much of that before you start and
not focusing on the defense, but you're focusing on the
pass rush. Where is my escape going to be? Where
(19:50):
can I get out of this madness? Because you got
to remember, when you're in that pocket, it's like five collisions,
car collisions happening right around you, and you're supposed to
stand there and watch all that happen, but also be
able to focus downfield and throw the football. So if
you get too much of that to where people are
beating on you, there's just a matter of time before
you're not going to be able to have that focus
(20:12):
down the field. You're going to be looking at it,
like I said, your escape pattern or how you can
get out of that mess, and that's what he's doing
right now. He's looking at the pass rush and he's
not able to focus down the field, and he's not
able to throw the football the way he wants to,
because you have to be able to have that focus
down the field on your receiver on the secondary in
order to be successful throwing the football, and he's not
(20:33):
able to do that right now.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Well, moon's our guests. He's a Hall of Fame quarterback
who of course knows it all because he's gone through
every element of this as a quarterback. Okay, so here's
the big question. Can you get it back?
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I think he can in the right environment, but it's
not going to happen overnight. I think he'd be better
off maybe going to another address, get out of that
situation there in Caroll, because it's probably going to be
negative until he actually gets on the field and does
a lot of great things, and then he probably needs
to sit behind somebody else. You know, a quarterback this
(21:12):
pretty successful that he can look and learn from where
he doesn't have to get out on the field. And
that's what I hate about these these number one draft
picks or number one overall draft picks. They have to
get on the field, sometimes before they're ready before sometimes
before the organization is ready for them to play. You
watch Caleb Williams the other night. He got his tail
wrecked against against Houston. They were hitting him everywhere, and
(21:37):
that affects your confidence. And I'm sure he was rocked
a little bit after that game was over by the
amount of punishment that he took in that game that
he's probably not used to taking over the last, you know,
so many years of his college career. But sometimes when
you go to situations where an organization doesn't have the
surrounding cast and the infrastructure that you need, you're going
(21:58):
to go through that. It's how it affects you and
can you overcome that or will it affect your confidence?
And we've seen many number one overall draft picks this
happened to because they usually go to bad teams.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They definitely do it. Stug Out Leaves show here on
Fox Sports. Right, Warren Moon is our guest. We're talking
all things football, all things quarterback. Let's get to Caleb Williams. Okay,
So Caleb Williams is the number one prospect. Obviously at Oklahoma,
he came in three games in set the world on fire,
then goes to USC good first year, second year forces
(22:32):
of all too much, they have a tough year, still
goes number one overall, They build a whole new offense
around him. Struggle with some accuracy issues in the preseason,
and those struggles have continued through two games with the Bears.
What's your assessment of Caleb so far?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, I think he's learning how to be a more
structured quarterback, something that he was never asked to do
when he was at Oklahoma or USC. He was more
of an improviser and he was going to make happened,
you know, after the fact, second second what do you
call him? Second response plays? You know, after the play
breaks down. That's where he made a lot of his
(23:09):
plays in the NFL. You can only do that so
many times because those guys are just as big and
fast as you are, and you're not gonna be able
to run away from those guys like you did in college.
And he tried to do that a couple of times
the other night. It's just not going to happen. So
you better learn to be more structured. You better learn
to be more on time with your throws, and then
you do have that special ability that he does have
(23:31):
that when he needs to do that, be able to
do that and make some of those plays per ball game,
kind of like Patrick Mahomes. They had to kind of
coach that out of Patrick when he first came into
the league, but he got a chance to sit and
watch Alex Smith for a year before he had to
actually get on the field, and then once he got
out there, he understood that I can't run around here
and do all these things. I've got to stay within
(23:53):
the structure of the offense. But I do have the
ability if things do break down, I can make things
happen with my legs. And I think Caleb just had
to start to understand that. And I think watching his
play the other night, if he watches that film closely,
he'll see where he did some really good things from
the pocket. I think he was about sixty five percent
thrower that night, but he was forced to make a
(24:16):
bunch of plays at the end because they were behind
and they weren't able to run the football that well.
So I think that's where it really hurt him. But
I think he's going to be okay because there's good
talent there, there's good weapons there. But they're still going
to have to show up that middle part of their
offensive line. That's where he got a lot of pressure
right up the middle, and that's where most quarterbacks don't
(24:37):
want to get that pressure from. They don't want to
get it up in their face like that.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Stut Gottlieb show. Here on Fox Sports Radio, Warren Moon
is our guest. What about Jalen Hurts. You know last
year Shane Stike and Leaves and the offense, even though
they got off to a ten not start, it was clunky.
He wasn't the same now here. We are two games
in there, one and one, but bad pick. Doesn't look
(25:05):
like the quarterback he was two years ago. I don't know.
It feels like he's still not in sync with the
play calling, with the offense. But again we're the layman,
you're the expert. What do you see with Jalen with
yet another new offense.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Well, that's part of the problem. This will be his
third offensive coordinator in the last three years. He had.
He had success with Shane and then all of a sudden,
I forgot who came in last year. I think it
was his quarterback coach took over his offensive coordinator and
now he's to another coordinator, so he's having to learn
and I think the coordinator's having to learn him as
(25:41):
well what he does well. And one of the problems,
Doug is none of these guys play in the preseason,
so you have a new play caller come in, you
don't play much, you know, in games, and then all
of a sudden when the game start, now they want
you to be sharp, you know, like you've been playing
all preseason long, and you haven't so and on the run.
These are things, These are mistakes that he should be
(26:02):
making in preseason games. But he doesn't play in the preseason,
just like a lot of these other quarterbacks, and I
think it really affects them, you know, those first two
three games into the season before they get their you know,
their feet up underneath them. So that's part of that's
part of it. And then another thing I see with
Jayalen he's bailing too fast. He's bailing the pocket sometimes
(26:23):
too quickly. He's not letting the plays develop and he
wants to take off and run and that's something he
did in his first two years when he was in Philadelphia.
I want to see him get back and sit in
the pocket and let these plays, develop, read them out
and throw the football as opposed to, you know, trying
to make everything happen with his feet.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
War Moon joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Of course, Warren's Hall of Famer in the Nation Football League,
Hall of Famer in the Canadian Football League as well.
Aaron Rodgers plays the Patriots on Thursday. How you know,
here's a guy who week one didn't move like he
used to nobody does in there forty but been coming
off an achilles better in game two. But again, I'm
(27:06):
the name and you're the expert. What have you seen
from from Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I think Aaron's just trying to get comfortable again.
You know, you got to remember, he's only played up
coming into this season, you know, four plays in the
last two years because he was heard all of last
year after the achilles injury. So it's been a while
before he's actually played a whole football game. And he
finally did that a couple of weeks ago, and he
got a little bit better this week. Uh, he's still
(27:31):
you know, learning, learning his players. He's still having to
learn the things he can and can't do from the
from the achilles. I'm sure what he feels comfortable with
and what he doesn't and all, and he's doing all
that in game time situation. So again, he's another guy
that didn't play during the preseason, so he's kind of
doing all this stuff. It's like on the job training.
You're you're you're playing a real game, still trying to
(27:53):
figure out what you do best, as opposed to maybe
getting that done during the preseason. So I blame a
lot of these coaches for for the slow starts for
all these offenses this year, because these guys didn't get
a chance to play or didn't want them to play
during the preseason. And that's why you see these offenses behind.
They're just not They're not in tune, they're not playing
with a lot of rhythm, and it takes it's going
(28:15):
to take a couple of weeks for these teams to
really get up and going to the speed that they
want to get going at because they just haven't played enough.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Sounds like you got some emails to return, just just
telling you. I hear that sound. I know you got
emails in return. We got bills we have to pay
coming in. You got emails coming in warning. You're the best.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Man.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Let's catch up offline really soon. I appreciate you joining.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Us, all right, Doug, appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Man.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Let's talk down the road.
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That's the Kford Ratings dot Com and we usually have
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(29:52):
predict who will play in the College Wall playoff, as
well as how many games will win, who's the luckiest team,
and uh really, who's good, who's not good, who's an
underperform so far this year. That's upcoming in twenty five minutes.
In the meantime, it is Thursday. It is football, but
it's also throwback Thursday. We play a little don't call
it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Don't call it a throwback. Throw Back Thursday.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Okay, so September twentieth, but it's only September nineteenth. Why
did you put September twenty, two thousand and nine on
my calendar? There, Jase too.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I'll take it from here, Doug, thank you. September twentieth,
two thousand and nine. I want each and everybody listening
to the show right now, and all the participating members
of the show, to go back to two thousand and nine.
What were you doing in the fall of two thousand
and nine. I'll tell you what the Jets were doing
on September twentieth. In two thousand and nine, they held
(30:59):
the Patriots three first half field goals. We're talking about
the Patriots with Randy Moss and Tom Brady. The Jets
beat the Patriots sixteen to nine, held the Patriots under
three hundred yards, the most impressive defensive performance of the
Rex Ryan era for the Jets. And if you're asking
(31:23):
yourself as a listener, what about that game makes it
special to Fox Sports Radio, Well, I'm going to tell you.
On Sundays here on the network, Dan Byer hosts a
show with Kerry Rhodes. Guess who was a defensive player
on the field that night for the New York Jets.
Kerry rhoads, if Dan Mike is up, if he was
(31:45):
potted up, he would have married. So take your I
would say, I just gave you one of these. I
know you can't see it on radio, but hands out
to the south for me. Yeah, shoulder shrug emoji dad.
If you go back to the fall of two thousand
and nine, Doug, and you think about how dominant the
(32:06):
Patriots were two years from their undefeated season, but the Jets,
has Doug pointed out in the first segment, they were
the pesky dog barking they were the loud dog barking
at the feet of the big Dynasty Patriots. Great year
two thousand and nine. What do you guys remember most
from that year.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
I've got a couple of things outside of the National
Football League that I'll get to in a second, but
football wise, it was the lone year that Jim Morrow
was the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, ushering in
the Pete Carroll era that ended up following afterwards. Not
that everything was thought to be great and continued to
(32:49):
humm in Seattle like they were with Mike Homgrin. The
home Grin era kind of puttered out in Seattle, and
Jim Morrow was brought on staff and was going to
be the coach in waiting, and he took over and
they went five and eleven and then he got booted.
So it was like this, I don't know, this lull
between two great tenures of the Seattle Seahawks. So it
(33:11):
was a very blah year for me when it comes
to fandom, because the Seahawks were just whatever in that
one season under Jim Morrow.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And you remember Jim Moore. Before he got that job,
he was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons. Right, yes,
And he went on a Seattle radio show with some
of his buddies and he said like, Hey, I don't
care if it's some bit of a playoff chase whatever.
If Washington calls me, Seattle calls me, that's home. I'm
coming home. Right.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Really that did?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
I think remember that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yes, of course that it was just one of those
all timers, like what.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Yeah, that was the year that the Saints beat the
crap out of everybody, and then there wasn't that bounty gate?
Was that Brett Farves year in the Vikings when he
almost got killed in the NFC title game?
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, and that's where they had Remember they had the
the footage of the they had the footage of not
to walk through the meeting the night before where they
were giving the money signs.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
You know, if you take them out, Yes, they both
both those teams, like the Saints. Did the Saints start
out like like thirteen and oh or something like that
that year and then they yeah, that year they they
were eight and oh and then they started out thirteen
and oh and then lost their last three regular season
(34:38):
games and then ended up going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Thirteen and oh Peyton Mannon won the MVP, led US
Colts to the Super Bowl to lose.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
I got so, what the World Series that year?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Oh? N Yankees?
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Right, Yes, that's their last one.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
That was the a rod one. Yeah, I think so
if we're so.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
You know, I'm a Packers fan. And two thousand and
nine was an interesting year because it was really like
the first year Aaron Rodgers got it going in Green Bay.
They finished within an eleven and five record, and they
lost to the Arizona Cardinals in the playoffs in one
of the wildest back and forth playoff games I've ever seen,
fifty one to forty five. It was one most exciting.
I mean, fifty one to forty five. That's like a
(35:29):
Texas Tech versus you know, I don't even know this
Boise State score or something. I don't know, So that
was exciting. It fell a lot of optimism with Aaron
Rodgers there the Packers. And was Kurt one Er the
quarter of back of that Cardinals team?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I want to say yes, yeah, I would have been
the following year yeah, after the Super Bowl, right, yep?
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (35:51):
And then for me and my fandom with College Iowa
in two thousand and nine started out the year nine
and oh one of those on September what was it?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
What was the date?
Speaker 7 (36:02):
September twentieth is from the nineteenth That was a Saturday.
They were playing the Arizona Wildcats and a very exciting
non conference game. The quarterback for the Arizona Wildcats was
Nick Foles and they had an injured tight end tight
end named Rob Gronkowski who he didn't play, So you
had Nick Foles and then Gronk was on the roster
for those Wildcats exciting game. I was there as twenty
seven to seventeen win for Iowa and then again started
(36:24):
nine to zero, got the fourth in the nation, and
then passed off.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Now is that the year that who won the Heisman Trophy?
I'm asking because I think it was mark Ingram. It was,
but it should have been in Dominican Sue right in
Dominican Sioue. I think that's the year Nebraska last got
to a Big twelve title game. They played Texas and
if you remember that game, he thoroughly dominated the game
and he was being doubled in triple team the entire game,
(36:50):
and it reminded me of who's seen fast times Ridgemond High.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Jay s Douw, I know that's ye right, I have
actually yeah, ets.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
What was.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
What was the star football player who they crashed his
car and then spray painted on it and then he
just like took out the whole team because of the
other team, because of it. That for Charles Jefferson, Charles
Jefferson was played by uh Forest, Yes.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I thought they just flew him in for home games.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Uh yeah, that's and he and Dominkins. Who's game film
look like? Forrest Whitaker? What was his name? Was the
character's name? Charles Jefferson Charles Jefferson's character in Fast Times
Richmond High.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I know you got my Earth Winding Fire tickets.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's pretty good, right. We're making Fast Times Ridgemont High.
It's really interesting though, if you think about it. Everybody
makes Caddyshack references, Caddy shack way older. I don't know
way older, but older. Why don't people make more Fast
Times Richmond High references?
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I think sports nuts are more Caddy shock fast times.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
This means it's like there's there's there's marginally less sports
in past times Ridgemont High. There's not a ton of
ton a ton of golf in Catayshack obviously the culmination,
the final scenes and the gopher or whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
But anyway, now that you bring up movie watchers, Doug,
I think the listeners are thinking, what were we watching
on TV in the fall of two thousand and nine?
And I've got that answer.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Two TV shows that made him a huge mark, a
huge mark. Modern Family debuted September two thousand and nine,
would go on to be an iconic show. And then
Jersey Shore. Jersey Shore debuted in December of that year,
again a show that really made its mark. What is it, Sam?
(38:46):
The situation? Oh Jersey Shore? Wait?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yes, Mike never saw never saw an episode?
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Oh? I did one and two? I think I haven't
tried to watch some the recent ones I had.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
That we had twins that year two thousand and nine.
I don't remember anything.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
What was it GTL Yeah, Jim Tann and laundry. Yeah,
Jim Tann and laundry. You gotta do that every day? Yeah? Yeah,
that's how productive these citizens were. They Jim Tann and laundry,
That's what they would do. Oh you know what happened
that year? Iconic moment. Yet again, Kanye West did not
like that Taylor Swift won the Oh that was.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
When he interrupt interrupted her at one of the awards shows.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
It sounded like this, No, Taylor, I'm really happy for you.
I'ma let you finish.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
But Beyonce had one of her best videos of all time,
one of their best videos all time. Have be an
indicator of things that come for Kanye, just kind of
being out there a little bit.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Also a good rule of like rushing the stage never
turns out well.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Will Smith? Who is the who?
Speaker 4 (40:00):
The artist that joined jay Z and Alicia Keys when
they were doing you know why am I blanking? You
know the New York song? Yeah, Empire's state of Mind? Remember,
And she came on stage and she was like, it
never works out well ever at an award show. You
being on stage when you shouldn't be on stage never
(40:20):
turns out well. I'm trying to think of who that was,
do you know what? You know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I can't remember who they was.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
I I have.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
By the way, So Ali show Fox s portray this
is I don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
Yeah, No, that's okay. So two thousand and nine in
the Gulf World is one that.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Stands out to me that wasn't tiger Wood's got in
the car crash, was there?
Speaker 4 (40:44):
It was yeah, in that in that that fall. But
also what happened that August is something that we had
never seen before. Tiger Woods had to lead to major
and didn't win the tournament. Entering the final round, Yi
Yang comes back and beats him at Hazeltine, and it
(41:05):
was like, whoa wait a second. Little did we know
how much things would change after that. But you remember
Tiger Woods, this was after you know, playing on the
a year after playing on the torn acl and the
broken leg and the whole thing at Tory Pines. Came
back that next year and had an opportunity to win
another major, and y E Yang came from behind and
(41:30):
upset Tiger Woods at the PGA Championship. But not the
biggest moment of two thousand and nine in golf, because
that was when Tom Watson had a chance to win
the Open Championship at Turnberry with a par on the
eighteenth hole, and instead his second shot went long, chose
to putt it back on the green, and then as
(41:51):
attempted par putt that would have won him the championship
to become the oldest major champion winner by far, in
a record that would have I think stood the t time.
He ends up missing his par putt, didn't put a
good effort on it at all, and Stuart Sink ended
up winning the Open Championship that year. Not to mention
that my guy Kenny Perry had a two stroke lead
(42:14):
after sixteen or seventy holes of the Masters, two shot
lead after sixteen on Sunday, went bogie bogie, and then
lost in a playoff that was eventually won by Onel Cabrera.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Oh geez, I'm looking at Dan Byro right now, I've
got a vantage point. There's no notes in front of him. Now.
That was all off the top of the folks.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
In two thousand and nine, our buddy Hunter Mayhan was
in the thick of it at the US Open, which
was crazy. Was at beth Page. Of course, it rained
like all weekend long, so they had to finish on Monday.
Lucas Glover ended up winning. Phil was in contention, you
know a little bit there. But it was just a crazy,
crazy year for golf's majors when you had all these
(42:54):
storylines but your winners were on hell. Cabrera Lucas Glover,
Stuart Sink, e Yang not necessarily a who's who, although
all respectable players. Don't get me wrong, Lucas Glover solid,
solid player, Stuart sinc really one of the good ones
out there. But what could have been in those good
(43:16):
at a Watson and Woods to wrap up the season?
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You know what Stuart Sink was probably listening to in
his earbuds, iPod iPod buds, probably listening to some Lady
Gaga who entered the scene in two thousand and nine.
Poker Face and Just Dance charted all year round. The
music world has never been the same since Lady Gaga hit.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
I do enjoy Lady Gaga quite a bit.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah. I think she's super talented. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
Even before the whole Shallow movie actress like just her
songs were good, I thought she is.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
She's remarkably talented, Yes, remarkably talented.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
She's in the musical Joker. She plays opposite Walk in
Phoenix and the Musical Joker too. I think she could
be Egot material.
Speaker 7 (44:07):
At some point you think, do you don't think she's
got the acting Chopstan or you just said for one
movie what you got Emmy Grammy, Oscar Tony winning them all.
It's like it's like the triple crown of triple Crown.
Speaker 4 (44:19):
No, I did not say that at all. What I
was saying was I think that she then became very
very I don't want to say mainstream, but when you
have the movie and you do the movie thing like
you're even but she was a huge, huge musical star
obviously even prior to that. But the movie I think
(44:40):
also then put her on another level because we're like, Wow,
she can act and she's writing these songs, and it's
like it's almost overload.
Speaker 7 (44:48):
You're like, oh my gosh, she's a renaissance woman.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
She is anything else.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Two thousand and nine, Oh what a year.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
My daughters were born.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
A little bit of a recesion we're in, right, Well.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
That's when it started. Yeah, it started.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
It was, it was, it was.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
It wasn't a little bit of recession on I know,
the worst housing crisis in the history Nights States.
Speaker 7 (45:08):
Didn't it start though? In two thousand and eight really
got underway, okay, and then it was being bad in
nine nine, it was really bad. We'll bump off to
kind of a rough start to his presidency. But Yeap
did win second term.
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Doug Gottlieb
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