March 29, 2025 • 53 mins
On this version of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug takes questions from the crew about the NCAA basketball transfer portal.
Doug welcomes Houston head basketball coach Kelvin Sampson onto the show as his Coach's Cougars are in the Sweet 16 again.
On this version of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday", Doug and the crew focus on the sports year of 2003.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I thought we could do something kind of cool here. Okay,
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So my intent with this radio show while coaching college
basketball is I don't ever want to force it to
be about something that's not Okay. I don't because I
live in Green Bay and we have the NFL Draft
upcoming in Green Bay. I think naturally, as we're gonna
be broadcasting live from the kind of the draft area,
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kind of compound area, I think all of that stuff
makes sense once we get to what is that the
week of April twenty first and leading up to it,
and we can talk about it. It's very unique, and when
I can correlate things going on in our basketball program
to things going on and the rest of sports, great.
But I don't want to force it, right, We're not
going to force things that don't make sense. But we're
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on the second day of the portal being officially open
and college basketball's season. It's still not at its crescendo. Right.
We got the Sweet sixteen followed by the Final Four.
But the guys, just like so many of my friends,
are texting me about the portal and about what this
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time of year, what it's actually like. So I thought,
why the heck would I not use my experience as
a resource for people to find out about something that
everyone talks about but very few people know about. Right.
Is that a fair depiction of it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So I think we should play a little ask the coach.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There's a question the needs an answer.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And the answer is if only.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
There was someone with the authority and the wisdom to
give us that answer.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
No, head coach, I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Okay, So remember the wisdom is a big thing. I
am also again, and I'm I'm like that, maybe it's
a mistake, but I tell everybody, like, look, I'm learning
as I go. I don't. I never walk into a
room like I know everything. Dan knows everything, Okay, like Dan.
We always go to Dan because Dan actually studies. He's
the guy who we always like, you know, we cheat
up his paper a little bit in school. But job, Yes,
(02:56):
thank you Dan. Who's got the first question for the coach?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Go on? I go well, well, Jason Stewart, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, Jason, go ahead, Doug.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
What is the most challenging part of the transfer portal?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh, trying to figure out where you stand, you know,
because because the portal is open to enter in the
portal anytime over the next thirty days. So we've had
a couple of players who very early on since we
got done, said hey, I'm going to the portal. We
knew it's good. I've had a couple discussions with a
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couple more kids when they got back from spring break
who said, hey, I'm going into the portal. I say
that because you know, I got a pretty good heads
up on everything within my own program. But knowing when
you talk to one of these kids, it's like, okay,
he wants to visit. Well, now they have unlimited visits
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so they can visit as many schools as they want.
So previously there used to be five visits. You can
only visit five places if they're visiting when you're like,
oh what, we're in pretty good shape. Now there's unlimited visits.
So it's like where do we really stand? I think
finding where you really stand with people is the hardest
thing or the most challenging thing with your own players
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and with potential incoming players. Oh we got one, we
got one in the back. Is that yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
We got question? Yes, question?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Dan Bayer Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. The question
that I have is do you refresh the portal daily
or to get updates? Like obviously you speak with your players,
but to find out who else is out there?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
How do you go about doing that?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, so I'm going to Now I'm going to share
some industry secrets. You ready, So all of the big
agencies and then even all the mom and pops. They
have lists that have been circulating for probably about a
month and a half of guys that have either said
they're going in the portal, or talk with some representation,
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or there's a pretty good sense. It doesn't mean every
one of those guys are going into the portal, but
what it does is it allows you to kind of
pre plan for if this guy goes in these here's
the representation, here's the avenue.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We use an analytics company, it's called HDI. I'll give
them some pub because what they can do is for
our specific desires, and one of the things that we
want to do is we want to at least evaluate,
if not recruit. They write kids at our level who
are from here, from here meeting Wisconsin, maybe a little
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bit Illinois, maybe a little bit in Minnesota. Because again,
we feel like the way that we can separate ourselves
is there's only four division schools in the state and
you know, two of them are high majors, and we
feel like we can separate ourselves by hey, come on
home and and there's lots of players at our level.
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So the point is that, yes, we do refresh it.
It is one of my coaches. It's in their office.
He has the laptop open and you're constantly like refreshing,
like ooh, look who just went in and there's actually
a rating system on some of these sites as to
who's the highest rated player currently in the portal. We
also use our analysts company to know when it's updated
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players again that are from our area or have a
couple of attributes that we're looking for. And you can
do anything you can do based upon height, no reach,
you can do based upon three point shooting percentage, assistant
turn over ratio, rebound rate, whatever you want, and literally
it can kind of handpick guys. The great thing about
the pre Portal or Dark Portal and all those lists
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is you don't reach out to those guys, you don't tamper.
It doesn't really do you any good to tamper anyway
for the most part. Right that's like, all it's going
to do is make you look bad. But what it
does is it can prepare you so that when a
kid gets into the portal, you can be you want
to be one of the first to say, hey, we
actually know who you are, we know where you're from,
We talk to your people, and we think you'd be
(07:09):
a good fit. And here's why. So yes, we keep
the portal website always open, and our analytics company is
constantly updating us, and we do so so that guys
that we've kind of pre planned for, especially ones that
are from the state of Wisconsin, maybe from Illinois, or
have some tie to one of our coaches, whatever, the
second that they go in, we feel like we can
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not only reach out, but we're also prepared for reaching out.
We don't just when they go, hey, what do you
think about my game? We've actually watched them play, so
there's a lot of lot of video that you're watching
as you go.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Next question, Next question, coach gott Leiba Sam Kinsley here
from the Des Moines Dispatch Gazette Sunday Times. I want
you to elaborate and expound more on just kind of
dealing with what's your protocol for dealing with like representation.
Do guys players individually contact you? You get I'm sure
(08:02):
like family members, you get agents, like, tell me more
about that, and how do you kind of how do
you put those round pieces into square holes?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I guess okay, so I have a very good working
relationship with a couple of the top agents in the field.
And look, just because some guys are not like they
have you know, there's a guy in Detroit who's like,
he's he's young, he's starting out, but he's got some
good players. And generally, you know, I give them a
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sense of where we are budget wise, what type of
kid we're thinking of, and then we usually talk about
about players and you know, what we're looking for or whatever.
I talk with agents. Some of it's with AU coaches. Hey,
I got a kid. A lot of people, some of
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the most powerful people in the country right now are
junior college coaches. Here's why junior college. If you went
to junior college during any time in the last four
or five years, you're going to get that year back.
And so it's not just that you don't necessarily want
to recruit junior college kids this year because junior college
kids that come out this year they're considered freshmen. But
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what you want is, hey, this kid played for me
four years ago or three years ago in junior college,
which means he'll have another year left to play. So
you call the junior college coaches and say, hey, who
do you have, who did you coach Who's going to
be in the portal that fits what we need. So
the answer is, do we talk to parents, yes, Do
we talk to family members yes. Do we talk to
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AAU member coach Yes, do we talk to high school coaches. Yes,
there's a kid who got in the portal yesterday we
had been preparing for because he's a position of need.
And you know, I talked to his high school coach,
his former high school assistant, his AAU coach, and everybody,
you know, so that I knew who I was talking to.
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I knew it kind of kid. The other part is like,
you just don't want kids with issues like we're not.
It's just we're not at the point where it's worth
it to take kids with major issues. So we just
want kids that want to come and play basketball and
get better and hang out with some good dudes. So yes,
you talk to all of them. Say I'm believe it
or not. I mean, you know, it's interesting. I had
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a couple other non basketball phone calls to make, and
I just sent a text like sometime yesterday like Hey,
I'm just gonna apologize because this is literally the moment
I wake up to the moment I go to sleep.
Outside of doing the radio show and researching for the
radio show, this is what I'm doing. I'm building my roster,
both with my guys that I have because some of
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them are like, yeah, you know, it turns out I
really want to stay and some of them are guys
I want to leave, and I get it, and you know, like, look,
a part of it is also like I want to
have open, honest conversations even with the players who want
to stay. And the reason is, you know, some of
those guys like your role may have been bigger this
year and then it will be next year because we
have to get older, we have to get better. It
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doesn't mean I'm kicking you off the team. It just
means that you're going to have to compete to even
get back to where you have been over the past
three months because we have to be demonstratively better. So
the point is that do we talk to The answer
is yes, we talked to everybody, and you have to
be open. I had a talk with the assistant coach.
You know, lots of people you push back on having
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an agent, and you say, like, well why do you
guys like, look, if they've signed a deal with an agent,
that's done. So all you got to do is, hey,
let's make the basketball conversation about basketball, and the money conversation.
We'll deal with the agents. And I actually like that
because that's how I've always done in broadcasting. I've never
talked money one time with a boss when I've been
approached for jobs, or even when I was at ESPN
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i resigned several times over, or I was at Fox
and I resigned several times over. I've never ever talked
money with the boss. That's what do I have an
agent for. That's their job. You guys handle the money
so it doesn't get itchy between me and my boss.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well, that's certain coach.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
That certainly sounds a little messy and open ended, but
I guess that's the way they're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Sounds mess Well, just the whole whole.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Thing now with the transfer boll is just open and
messy and just wide open. It's like, uh, tread and
water in the ocean with all you know. You got
guys staying, you got guys going, you got guys coming in.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
When to contact them? When not to?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You can't contact him until they're in the portal. Yes,
there's there's their coach.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I just hope you have unlimited texting and calling on
your cell phones.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I do have unlimited texting calling, all right?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Did yougog minutes? I don't know everybody has. I don't
remember while since.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
The latitude for follow up questions, this is way too latitude.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But just me and the coach having a conversation right now,
you did you just kind of editorialized.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like your answer obviously, so he created.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
His own answer like it's a mess, Like I didn't.
Did I ever say it was a mess.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
I just it's the way I'm interpreting. It's very, it's
very It's just so much wider in scope now than
it ever was.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
We can get this back on truck Dan Barr A question.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I just, I just I was surprised that Sam gave
you more of a coach could you talk about sort
of question?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
That's and I think that's what he provided.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's disappointing. Disappointing.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, we got a lot of information out there from
the from the there's no such thing of stupid questions department.
Once you entered the transfer portal, could you go back
to the school?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Well, it depends on the school, depends on the school,
you know, again, depends on the school, depends on the kid,
depends on the relationship with the coach. But the answer
is you can, but you they don't have to take
you back.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I would be I would have a tough time if
I was a coach having my emotions not getting in
the way, if I just found out a kid put
his name in and then being like, oh and now
you want to come back, sorry, I would have a
tough time.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Taking a kid back if he just jumped in.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, that's awkward.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's very it's very awkward. Some some schools say, hey,
you can can't use our facility anymore, but it is
completely up to the coach's choice. What I have chosen
to do is you can use the facility. We're not
turning off your card, but you can't use the locker
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room and you can't get into our our workouts. So
are the guys play pick up basketball after the workouts?
And I don't know, you know the number of guys
who are on campus that are in the portal, because again,
all the guys that are not in the portal that
are on campus, we check in with them every day
and we see them has come to workouts and they
come through the office or whenever the other guys do not.
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But I'm not doing this like hey, you're not welcome here,
Like you know, there's a reason that there's there's a
very reasonable reason why all of them though I don't
agree with two of my guys that are that are
leaving and why they're leaving, but again they're allowed to
and I'm I'm gonna help them. I'm just different than
some people. I don't know how it works for everybody.
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Some guys get super bitter, some guys do not. Some
guys come and they're just like, hey, get rid of everybody.
I've had several coaches say like, just get rid of everybody,
start over, and I'm like, I don't think we win
here that way. I think we win here with the
guys that were in the fight, that kept fighting through
the losing streak, that want to get better understanding. The
role may change for the lesser next year, but they're
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all All they want to do is win, and those
guys we want to keep. Those guys are glue. Any
other ones, OK, No, I'm the head coach. I get
to set the schedule.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Hold on, let's ask the coach. This is the best
of the Done Dot Leap Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Radio Stut gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And anyone who's played against his teams not surprised from
the times that his team's terrorized us when I was
at Oklahoma State to what he's done before, and since
Calvin Samson is a Hall of Fame basketball coach, his
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team's in the sweet sixteen yet again and a favorite
across all boards to reach the final fourties, kind of
have to spend some time this year on Fox Sports Radio. Coach,
how are.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You going good? You're still one of the top point guards,
leading a three on one, two on one, three on
two past break automatic. You were going to find the
right guy.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We were definitely gonna get a buck in half court,
maybe not as much, and you didn't have to guard me,
so you paid an accurate, accurate, positive, positive picture. What's
your assessment of how your team played first weekend of
the tournament.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, the first game, it was all about mindset and maturity,
making sure your your leaders are dialed in because you
know every game is important. You know you get the
one sixteen. But our team has been able to be
good this year because of our player leadership, and so
(17:02):
I give a lot of credit to that game to
l J. Chrier and uh J One Roberts. Those two
guys are unbelievable leaders. Then Dagga game was a one
of those games. When I saw the brackets I saw
in Zaga, Georgia said, well, if it's Gonzaga, that's gonna
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be a holy war marking the Zaga program. Is there
weren't benchmark programs in the in the country over how
many years. I mean they went to night who goes
to ninth straight sweet sixteen.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Gonzaga too, Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And and they were playing their best basketball when they
put Huffs at the fourth spot, and that means they
started two fives yeah each and Huff And I knew
that was gonna be tough because if you haven't double
the post on both sides of the floor. As good
as nim Hart is they were, they were going to
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be dangerous. So I thought we were dialed into that
game as well. Played really, really good until the last
two minutes and their half court one three one trap
gave us some problems. But you know, when you get
to the tournament, Doug, and you win a game, the
last thing you want to do is go backwards and
hand life that you just survive in advance and move on.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I want to get to this year's team and and
this week and this weekend. But like for people who
I don't know how many people in college basketball remember,
but before you got there, like Houston was a dead
end job. It just was. It was friends and family
only nobody went. Obviously, back when it was hoff Hinz,
it was a decrepit old building. They threw a bunch
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of money into it. It's beautiful now. But look, you
you're a builder, right from from Montana Tech to Wazoo
to Oklahoma. Wasn't great when you took it over to
Indiana when he took it over? What has what has
this build been like in comparison to the others.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I've enjoyed this one more because of Kellen and Lauren
being with me. You know, when I was with the
Houston Rockets and I got approached about this opportunity, you know,
my agent goes, okay, there's three FOURT schools. This almost
to interview you, this wants to hire you. This onemost
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to press conference tomorrow. And that's how he was characterized
in all of them. But as the stars started aligning
a little bit, Kellyn had just been fired at Appalachian's Bake.
You know that's my son. I know what kind of
person he is. I know his work as a. I
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know the kind of basketball mind he has. My daughter
Lauren was then a stop where she was doing pretty good,
but it wasn't her willhouse that she's a little bit miserable,
and so I said, I told the athletics break at
the time, Mac Rhodes, if you can find a way
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to allow me to hire telling and then bring Lauren
in the next year, I think we can get this done.
So this one has been the most fun. I think
this one has been by far the hardest because of
the apathy, lack of support, just the general view of
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what Houston basketball was. They were still attaching themselves to
Fi Slama Jama and you know, almost forty years ago,
so we didn't really have a lot to build on.
So we just started building. You know, sometimes you inherit
a winning program. Sometimes you got to build a winning program.
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But been able to do it by with my family
and Karen here. You know, That's that's why this has
been the best job I've ever had, because that's you know,
my grandkids live three miles away. I see my my
two kids every day. We go through this journey together
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and it's been just a thrill of a lifetime for me.
It's an unbelievable way too. You know, obviously this is
gonna be my last thoughts and when I decided to Okay,
that's it. Uh, I'll look back at my time at
University of Houston as the as the uh best time
in my career.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What will be the determining factor? I mean, you know
how how it works when you when you become so
well respected and you've built it up to this point
and you you have it perfectly set up for Kelen
to take over. You got to make that tough decision.
What will be the determined factor as to when you
decide I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, the question, and I really am not sure even
how to answer it. I do know that this is
very much a young man's a young man's time. You know.
I came up in the eighties and nineties, and you know,
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Judge Heathcote, I owe him so much giving me opportunity
to get started. And then Montana Tech took a chance
on a twenty five year old guy, Washington State took
a chance on a thirty one year old guy. So
I was pretty good at getting hard jobs. But then
again a lot of people had to turn those jobs
down for it even got to me. So but when
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I look back and then I look forward, you always
want to leave the place that you were in better shape,
and obviously this one is. But I also want to
make sure that Kellen is in a position where he's
got a chance to win right away too. So my plan,
my plan is, I'm I'm definitely going to coach on
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next season, and then you know, you just never know.
I mean, I may be here five more years, I
may be here four more years. I don't know. I
doubt it, but you never know, you do know. No.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Kevin Sampson's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's let's get to this weekend.
So now you know, Purdue a team that reputation wise
rugged Big ten, but no one has the defensive reputation
your team, your team has. What's what's the biggest challenge.
You've done the Sweet sixteen, you've done the Final four
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so often, what's the biggest challenge for this group in
getting ready for Purdue.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
First of all, we respect your opponent, you know, forget
what other people saying things that's irrelevant to your to
your mission. Our missions to play our best brand of
basketball art. You know, we have a clear identity. Don't
know how we play, and I think when you get
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in the tournament sometimes the bright lights and all the
attention can chain some kids. And my little Uzan had
never played in the tournament. Now he's got two games
under his belt. I like the way he handled the moment. So,
you know, for us is being good at the things
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we're good at. You can't always assume you're going to
shoot the ball great, you can't always assume that you're
going to get a great whistle. Those are things that
are out of your control. So being able to, you know,
play defense and rebounding, doing the things this god is here.
You know, we've won a lot of road games on nights.
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Some nights we shot it good, some nights we didn't. Well.
We always found a way to win the game. And
I think that's been our identity. If you watch this
not very good offensively, you watched this late a lot
more symmetry with our offense. Our spacing has been better,
our offensive rebounds rebound has been a little bit more
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consistent than the physical nature of the game. Last year
we played A and M in the second round in Memphis.
I think both teams went to the line fifty times
a piece and we have four guys file out. But
that was a that was a tight whistle because bag
game the other night was a little bit of a
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looser whistle. So those are things that the players don't
worry about, but the old coaches do it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, well, coach, listen, it's not our to catch
up with you. Uh. We all watch and marvel at
what you're able to do, how hard they're able to compete,
and uh, and I know this team is better offensively obviously.
You know, in the last year you had a tough
injury that really ended ended to run unfortunately. But best
of luck this weekend, and thanks so much for spend
some time with us.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Always always good to be with you, Doug. And that's
the luck to you in year two.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh well, we're gonna we're gonna need it, but I
appreciate it. That's Kelvin Samson, head coach of the Koogs
of Houston. I will point this out. And did you
guys watch the end of the Maryland Colorado State game?
Where did Jay stew were you watching? I know byer
you were watching that. I'm sure were you working at
the time. I'm trying to get my time of what
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it was because I'm in Green Bay and so it
was dark outside. Were you on air fire during the
end of the.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Maryland No, I did the show with Mike Harmon yesterday.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So did you happen to catch the end of it?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay. I want to make sure, like I don't want
to speak at it at a term, it was a
really that was a fun game to watch, really competitive,
and at the very end of the game, the very
end of the game, Colorado State gets a huge three
from Jalen Lake. And Jalen Lake it's only interesting because
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he's actually spent four years at Colorado State. You're like, wait,
what you know? It's like the Beta Max. They still
make you, only to be outdone by a kidnamed Derek
Queen who's star freshman center for Maryland. Derek Queen is
a tremendous player. Sixteen a game, sixteen and nine gonna
be a first round pick. And there's a couple of
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different parts to it. First, here's let's just get the
thoughts really quick of Maryland's head coach Kevin Willard, who
said this about the decision to get Derek Queen the
ball At the end of the game, I.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Asked everybody, I said, who wants the ball?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And he said, give me the MF ball and I said,
you're getting it, and I said, don't mess around, go
after it and do it.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
And I give a lot, right, man, the big dog
came up and.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Throw all right, So that part of it is awesome, awesome, right,
give me the ball and he goes and gets a
bucket and he caught it basically top of the key sweepes,
goes to his left hand and shoots a kind of
runner pull up off his right foot with a bank shot,
and that's what it's a hard shot. It was good defense,
even better offense. And I think it was over cam
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Heidie Cameron Heidi who played last year for Produce. So
I mean it's like he's going against a high level defender.
And what happens on social media is that's a travel.
That's a travel They CBS, trots G or maybe it
was TNT. I don't remember watching all the networks. Right,
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Jean's sterotor comes out. Jean's sterritor is there? What's the term?
He's their official the rules analysts or something right, and
Jean's of course from NFL ref but also college basketball ref.
And he's like, yeah, I mean I don't really see
a travel there, like you know it. He kind of
explains the gathering rule whatever. And yet even to today,
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like if you want to peruse into social media, you
get people like it is to travel, I thought, Nico
medved he was like, I don't know, I didn't call it,
so it's not a travel like I even he hadn't
even seen I have even thought about it. And there's
a couple of different parts to it. Here's the first
important part when you travel, if a guy travels, especially
the guy with the basketball travels. First of all, when
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you look at the bench, usually the opposing bench is
all going to be doing the traveling symbol, right, and
there'll be people in the crowd doing the travel travel thing.
I didn't see any of that. Also, when you if
you're dare queen and you travel, it's a lot like
when you misspeak or you yet you're syntax is off
in the English language, it just feels weird, is it is?
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Or are I'm always confused? Right if you use the
wrong tense, or you know the wrong pro now and
you've used the wrong verb. You use these like it
feels weird. Traveling is much the same way you play basketball.
And Derek Queen's a young kid. Think he's like nineteen
years old, so he's been playing basketball probably for I
don't know, twelve years, ten twelve years, like you get it.
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And if he traveled, it would have felt weird and
he'd be like, eh, yeah, I'll count it. None of
that happened. But the bigger thing is we've become these
we've become. This is who we've become, and I get it.
We want an upset so badly Colorado State felt like
an upset against Maryland right that you'll do anything to
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point out the flaws in something great. And again, it
doesn't mean we need it to be artificial. We don't
need it to be like, you know, he gets the
ball and he runs five or six steps and then
everybody stops is like what the heck? And then he
lays the ball in. You had the rules analysts say
it wasn't a travel. He had no one in the
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stand or on the Colorado States bench doing the travel symbol.
It may have left a little different to you because
he jumped off his right foot and the gather wasn't
until it was I mean, was it technically maybe close? Okay,
this is like Jordan's push off of Brian Russell, Like,
what are we really doing? Why have we found the
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need to find flaw in everything? This is the Sidney
Crawford has a mole. I'm aware Sidney Crawford has a mole.
Have any of you who point out Sidney Crawford has
a mole? Been like Sidney Crawford wants to go out
with you, You're like, I don't know she's got a mole. No,
I'm just not in the like, moles creep me out
and I can't stop staring at them. No, you're going
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out with Sidney Crawford. And I know the Sidney Crawford
reference might be a little bit too old, right, but
Sidney Crawford, by the way, is still hot. I don't
think anybody would still point out she's like sixty and
she's still amazing. So we have to stop this. We
have to stop finding flaw or controversy or a conspiracy
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in literally everything. Derek Queen just made a really, really
hard shot. Maryland's gonna move on it. Sucks. If you
were super invested into Colorado State basketball for the last
weekend or if you followed this team all year, it's
been a really cool story. But I mean, even the
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opposing coach was not like it was a blatant travel whatever.
They got away with it. It's like, I don't know, right,
So I just how do we become those people? Dan,
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did you think it was a blatant travel?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
No, I didn't think it was a travel at all. Right,
I love that it was, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I mean, you have you have the rules analyst,
a guy who's officiated final fours, like you didn't see
much anything there. You're like, no, no, I know, I'm right, Like, no,
you don't. You don't actually know how the rule is officiated.
I just I don't know what to do with people
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like that. It'd be one thing if he was like, yeah,
you know, it's kind of close, but you don't call
it in that spot and there's some argument, but he
was like, no that I don't even see it travel there.
But that's who we become. We've become that obnoxious guy
that's sitting there going like she's too skinny, Like, dude,
(33:43):
she would you would never be able to ask her
out every in your life. Yeah, but she's she's just
too skinny.
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Uh?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Okay, I love this part of the show. I tease
Jay stew about it, but I tease him because I
actually really liked this part of the show. Because you know,
we all have that thing that we'd like to do,
maybe even in our jobs, but we don't get to
do right like I think that Jason Stewart would love.
(34:49):
Like there's just a part of him that would love
to be am uh a like morning rock station guy,
cause that's and he kind of makes fun of it
when he goes, thanks Doug, I'll take it from here. No,
that's not it. Thanks Doug, gonna take it. He does
that that deal, That's that's great. I've done most everything
(35:11):
I I actually do secretly wish I had the skills
of Sam where I could play the drops all the time.
There's something is it called a short stop? What is
that little box that I used to have one or whatever,
but like a.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Hot hot button box, hot keybox.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Replay yeah, replay machine, right, And I used to have
one at one of my previous stops. And I think
I think the reason it hasn't been offered up to
me is because, you know, yeah, I'm like a little kid.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
You know, I'll quote I'll quote our our boss Don Martin,
my man. As soon as you give some hosts that replay,
it just becomes silly madness. Now, Matt money Smith might
be the greatest, the greatest manipulator of the replay machine
in the history of radio. Agreed, him and Petros are
pretty wacky with that stuff. My wife to my wife
(36:02):
to night to night a lot of people don't know
what we're talking about, but they are hoo to those two.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
They know they are who Action Match Action much Hold on,
We're like not even pressing drops for just yelling things.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
This is what I'm talking about, man. And then there's
one of Petros who's like, ah, over.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And over, We're good, dude, We're not even on in LA.
We're making We're quoting the best sports show in l
A that no one can hear outside of l A.
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So digitally available, please access it.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
People might recognize Petros because he does some games with
FS one for college football and he's on jumps on
two pros and.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
It doesn't matter, I know, but because he plays relatively straight.
Who doesn't love Petros.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
He's a hoot.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
He's he's and he's honestly super super talented as a yeah,
as a college football analyst. Anyway, if we want to
get to the like original great drop and this is
I think pre dat Eading or maybe early on Jay
stew in your tenure with Rome, because when Rome used
to do a local radio in San Diego, they used
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to have people call in and order a drug test
for people, and there was like a ping in the
cup sound. Did you guys do that when you were there?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Drug drug?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was a great that was a great drop. And
you have people come in and like Rome first time
long time.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I want to or a drug test for Stephen A.
Smith for saying that had Lebron James put his hands
on him when they were arguing about Brownie, he would
have gone. He would he would have you know, he
would have what is it, thrown hands? Is that the
expression thrown hands at him?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Drug test?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
You want drug drug drug drug?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Anyway, Now that's not the drop. Let's uh, let's get
the don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
All right, Doug, I want our listeners to go back
to two thousand and three. Rewind the clock to two
thousand and three. Now, what were you doing in two
thousand and three. I want each of you listeners to
think of what you were doing with your headspace, was
where you were in your wife, in your career. And
then I want to introduce something that happened around this
(38:25):
time twenty two years ago. Freshman out of Syracuse, Carmelo
Anthony put the at the time named Orangeman on his
back and carry them to Jim Beheim's first and only
national championship. Carmelo Anthony had an amazing tournament that of
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course eclipsed in the final four when he beat Texas
with thirty three points on twelve of nineteen shooting. He
would go on to beat Roy Williams and Kansas in
the next game.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Again, you talk about Kansas and Roy Williams. Oh, what's
Syracuse and Jim Beah.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Are you doing the hands too?
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Doesn't He kind of wave his hands around a little bit,
kind of like a little like lately, kind of a
pageant wave, But he's like, Oh, that's all the enthusiasm.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Doug, Who do you remember most about that two thousand
and three NC double a tournament other than Carmelo?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, there's two parts to it. One, Oklahoma State led
that Circus team by I think seventeen points at the
half in Boston Garden had lost. Secondly, was I never
watched the game. That's the only tournament I never watched
the game in. I was in France playing for Camo.
It was after my first season of covering college basketball.
I had a midday show in two thousand and two
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in Oklahoma City and into early two thousand and three,
I called the Whack Championship Game, which I believe was
feeding the Tulsa and Nevada and I was driving down
four head back to Oklahoma City, where we had purchased
our first home in Edgemere Park, Oklahoma City shout out
to Edgemere Park, and I got a call from my
(40:10):
then basketball agent, Michael Siegel, who said, if you leave
tomorrow you can play in Portugal First Division. You'll go
to the playoffs, and if you wait till the end
of the week, then you go to France. There's a
pro B team trying to move up to Pro A.
Their point guard got hurt and it'd just be a month,
but it would be able to get you kind of
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back in. You'd be Pro A next year if you want.
I had started working for a guy named Larry Bastita
and Oklahoma City, who is the head of I think
it was a Cumulus station back then. I don't remember. Anyway,
WWL is a sports animal, and I felt like I
couldn't leave, like without saying goodbye or telling him I
was going. So I was like, I'll take the one.
(40:54):
At the end of the week, I went to France
and this little pub that I got all my meals
at for free playing for my club. They had Eurosport,
and I watched highlights of that tournament. I didn't actually
watch that tournament. I did know the Oklahoma State one
only because when I got back, it was one of
the first things I watched was the entirety of the
Oklahoma State game where they had a big lead against
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Syracuse in the NCAA tournament and only to lose in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well, what you did miss was a guy, a little
named guy named Dwayne Wade leading Marquette I think into
the Elite eight, and he would be in the same
draft class with Carmel Well Anthony, who shared the draft
class with Lebron James, arguably the greatest draft in the
(41:40):
history of the NBA two thousand and three. That would
happen three months later in June, Isaac. When you think
back to two thousand and three, what comes to mind.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
The Steve Bartman Cubs deal. Oh yeah, but one other thing,
because this is where my salacious mind goes the phrase
it's Rollin', it's rollin' brief. Alabama head coach Mike Price
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was hired and then fired shortly thereafter, because of what
I just said. But in all seriousness, when you think
about it, that incident back in two thousand and three
was a huge sliding doors incident for college football history
because it set Alabama football on the path to Nick Saban.
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Lady's name was Destiny. Literally, her name was Destiny, or
perhaps that was her stage name.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I don't know. I'm happy, I'm happy as hell.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Please welcome Destiny.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Hey, I love it here.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
By the way, Dwayne Wade took him all the way
to the Final Four that year with Marquette. When looked
that up, wow wow, I can say this USC football
was in two thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
They were right in the middle of.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Their sweet, sweet sweet run with Pete Carroll and Carson
Palmer handing off to Matt Liinert and Reggie Bush there
and look at where they all are now. We got
Pete Carroll coaching the Raiders. I mean, this guy is
going to coach to Lee Croakes a lot of energy.
But they had it home in there coliseum. I mean, listen,
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I'm not even from this area. Isaac helped me out here.
The coliseum was back to the gills. They took off
the tarps.
Speaker 8 (43:29):
It was one a to the Lakers as the hottest
thing in town, right in the NFL teams right, celebrities
all over the sideline at practice.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
It was like a neighborhood festival.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
You had a list celebrities at their practices back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Back in the day.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
This is something I don't recall. It was.
Speaker 7 (43:52):
Sorry, it was a split National championship. I guess between
and LSU. LSU winning the BCS and Southern California take
the AP.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I believe that. Tell bitter about that?
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Sorry, Jason, ye you. Steve McNair shared the MVP award.
I didn't know this happened. Steve McNair of the Tennessee
Titans shared the MVP award with Peyton Manning. That was
the year that the Patriots went back to the Super
Bowl to win their second of three in four years.
Two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Okay, two thousand and three then became my first year
doing national sports radio. I did the NBA Draft on
ESPN Radio and that draft was pretty good, all right.
Some guy named Lebron James Dwayne Wade previously mentioned, Chris Bosch, Carmelo,
Anthony Darko, Milliset who I played against, when I was
(44:50):
in Israel from Hemma, from Vrazik and then anyway, I
mean two thousand and three was Aaron fing Boone.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Right, and and Grady Little leaving Pedro in in that
game too.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, he took him out. Pedro put the jacket on,
shook the hands, and then put him back out for
the seventh inning where he went over one hundred pitches
and that's where all h double chopped sticks broke loose.
Was the Aaron Boone home run in the fourteenth inning?
Speaker 8 (45:21):
I want to say it was the thirteenth inning. I'll
look it up for you real quick. But it was
against Tim Wakefield and it was I think on the
first pitch if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing about knuckleballs is
occasionally they don't move, and when they don't move, they
do move over the fence.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yankees would go on to lose to the Marlins, led
by Josh Beckett. Dontreu Willis, a very young Miguel Cabrera
who would start a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Also Moisis Aliu right of the Cubs. Oh, he was
of the Marlins back then.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
No mois a Loo was I think a part of
the ninety seven World Championship team. He was a part
of the Cubs for the Steve Bartman cutch.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, I think he was. Oh he was on ninety seven. Okay, No,
can you check that. I think Alu was on the Marlins.
I could be wrong. Again. My baseball knowledge is not
nearly yours.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
I'm saying Alu was on the ninety seven team. He
went to the Cubs and he was the one here
to go to the Cub Steve Bartman.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
He was with the Cubs from two thousand and two
through two thousand and four. He was with the Marlins
only in ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
That's what I said. I just said he was with
the ninety seven Cubs.
Speaker 8 (46:35):
No, no, no, he was with the ninety seven Marlins.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
He was with the Cubs.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
That's what I said. He was with the ninety seven Marlins. God,
you guys keep screwing it up. That's a joke.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
I remember they did an interview yelling at me with
Moyses Sawlou. It was like a sixty minutes focus piece
and he he had headphones on and Mike Wallace was like,
what song are you listening to right now? And moyso
sa lose this one?
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh go shoot? Okay, so let me tell you about
this song. I'm still a banger, so it is still
a banger. So let me tell you about this song. Okay.
So when I played in France, we played against PSG
Racing that's Tony Parker's old team and Tony Parker's old team,
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and it was in Paris, and they had a DJ
during the game and literally every time I dribbled the
ball of the court, that song was playing. And it's
really hard to play basketball when you're not getting down
to the song. You're like dribbling to the beat, like
that doesn't really go on that.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
A little too slow. Maybe you got a double time
it right?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah? Yeah, great song.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
You recently went to a concert with him?
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Right about recently? It was in when did I go
to Israel? Las was that oh, okay, twenty twenty one?
Twenty one, right, I think or twenty twenty two when
I last went to Israel. Yeah. I took Harper, my
daughter to go see uh fifty cent.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
And that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
She was like, I know a couple of these songs
because when I first said, hey, we're going to see Fiddy.
She was like, I don't know who that is? What?
Well at the time, she was like sixteen years old.
Speaker 7 (48:21):
But he's I like Fiddy a lot, and uh, I
don't know. He was way out. He was way in
front of that didty.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
He was way in front of the Diddy thing.
Speaker 7 (48:29):
He seems like a good dude, Like he's like, I
don't mess with that stuff. So I'm a Fitty fan.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
He was shot like ninety I know, but he left
that he clearly upsets somebody in his life.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I don't really. Uh, we're not
going to address the number two song that year. I'll
just tell people it was Ignition by R Kelly. I'm
not going to play it because I'm not a fan
of his anymore.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I think we can It's a great song though.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
He's a great sung song.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Oh that's not his best song by far.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
It is to me, it's not my mind, no no, no,
catalog from your brain.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
I believe I Can Fly is his greatest.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
So it's an awful song. What all right? I wanted
to show.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait cut the music
on this what what Wayne? What world is like? Again?
It's a great now that's not it.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
I know I'm not playing. We need some music.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
By the way, Ignition the remix Ignition is a great song.
Regular Ignition is fine, but neither compared to I Believe
I Can Fly. I Believe I Can Touch the Sky.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
So cheesy, good song, overplayed cliche. Now he's in jail.
Let me share the number three song?
Speaker 1 (49:40):
What again? Like whoa wait wait, I need a ruling here,
so you wait, Sam, do you agree with that that
Ignition is a better song than I Believe I Could Fly?
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Man?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
I don't even know.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
I think that the most the most popular song you
ever had was I Believe I Can Fly.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
He was in movie. I think got overplayed it, got
over it again.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
It's not over because it's his best song.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
It is his best song. I agree with that. I
agree with you. Nish is more of like a club song,
but again.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
R.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Kelly is paying for.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
It's also a baby making song. Let's be honest.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Yeah, oh yeah, but here's here's the number three song
in nation, which I've been actually kind of jonesing to
play for a while. Now here we go, Oh yeah, Sean, Paul,
come on, shake nache, get busy. That's the song. Yeah,
there you go. It's a good song, too good club song.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
No, no, no, All right, gentlemen, let's get our popcorn
and take a trip to the movie. Gottlieb has the
greatest movies of two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Typically, Well, remember I was out of country for a
little bit, and then I moved cross country to Connecticut.
But I did then. Once I moved to Connecticut, then
I had no time to ever watch TV because I
was or good the movies because I was working at night.
But there was a couple interesting ones, right, Uh. The
number one movie was Finding Nemo.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Still haven't seen it.
Speaker 7 (51:06):
What when people talk about Brandon Neimo, I just want
to say Finding Nemo, but I have not seen Finding Nemo.
I was a let's see, I was like a sophomore
in high school. That was for babies, for children, children's.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Okay, what about Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 7 (51:19):
Have seen Pirates of the Caribbean. I love sailor movies.
I'm a fan of Johnny Depp in general.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But I don't think Taylor movies.
Speaker 7 (51:25):
Yeah, like, well, you know, Master in Command or like
you know, like old boats and ships and stuff. But
I'm not a you know, Pirates of the Caribbean was good.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
It wasn't. It didn't.
Speaker 7 (51:33):
It's not on my all time face, but it's a
good one. It was a big obviously huge money maker.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Who is who is the female lead? Oh?
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Man, I want to say, it's Kira Knightley, who's got like, yes,
ten times more teeth than you should have in your mouth.
She's she's a shark.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
She's made, but she was incredibly hot in that movie.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
She's there Portman with a lot of tooth. Yes, I
kind of confuse her with Natalie Portman.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
But.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean whatever. I mean.
She does have a lot of teeth that she could
take one out and no one would missed. I always
thought her teeth were like a sorority photo, you know,
where everybody's trying to cram in there.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
You know, she was made to eat corn on the cob.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Other movies, uh, Lord of the Rings, which I've never
seen start to finish because it's so long. I always fall.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Asleep, Like the third installment, right, the last one, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
I've never watched any other one is like nine hours long.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
I saw it in theaters and there's like an extended
cut that I think is like five hours long.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Pause.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
ELF is two thousand and three, which my son Hayes
believes is the greatest Christmas movie ever.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
I just saw l for the first time this past
holiday season.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, uh, it was it was. Hays asked. We watched
Will will Ferrell's son play basketball. This is a couple
of years ago, and Will told us that that was
his most embarrassing movie to make because he didn't think
it was funny because he was running around New York
City and yellow tights and nobody laughed. But it's just
a movie. So x Men United, Bruce Almighty. That was
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back when Jim Carrey was funny. Doesn't feel like he's
funny anymore.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Steve Carrell wasn't that too, And then he had did
the sequel.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, and that is. Don't call it throw back Thursday.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
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I thought we could do something kind of cool here. Okay,
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So my intent with this radio show while coaching college
basketball is I don't ever want to force it to
be about something that's not Okay. I don't because I
live in Green Bay and we have the NFL Draft
upcoming in Green Bay. I think naturally, as we're gonna
be broadcasting live from the kind of the draft area,
(01:12):
kind of compound area, I think all of that stuff
makes sense once we get to what is that the
week of April twenty first and leading up to it,
and we can talk about it. It's very unique, and when
I can correlate things going on in our basketball program
to things going on and the rest of sports, great.
But I don't want to force it, right, We're not
going to force things that don't make sense. But we're
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on the second day of the portal being officially open
and college basketball's season. It's still not at its crescendo. Right.
We got the Sweet sixteen followed by the Final Four.
But the guys, just like so many of my friends,
are texting me about the portal and about what this
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time of year, what it's actually like. So I thought,
why the heck would I not use my experience as
a resource for people to find out about something that
everyone talks about but very few people know about. Right.
Is that a fair depiction of it?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Right?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
So I think we should play a little ask the coach.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
There's a question the needs an answer.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
And the answer is if only.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
There was someone with the authority and the wisdom to
give us that answer.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
No, head coach, I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Okay, So remember the wisdom is a big thing. I
am also again, and I'm I'm like that, maybe it's
a mistake, but I tell everybody, like, look, I'm learning
as I go. I don't. I never walk into a
room like I know everything. Dan knows everything, Okay, like Dan.
We always go to Dan because Dan actually studies. He's
the guy who we always like, you know, we cheat
up his paper a little bit in school. But job, Yes,
(02:56):
thank you Dan. Who's got the first question for the coach?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Go on? I go well, well, Jason Stewart, Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, Jason, go ahead, Doug.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
What is the most challenging part of the transfer portal?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Oh, trying to figure out where you stand, you know,
because because the portal is open to enter in the
portal anytime over the next thirty days. So we've had
a couple of players who very early on since we
got done, said hey, I'm going to the portal. We
knew it's good. I've had a couple discussions with a
(03:32):
couple more kids when they got back from spring break
who said, hey, I'm going into the portal. I say
that because you know, I got a pretty good heads
up on everything within my own program. But knowing when
you talk to one of these kids, it's like, okay,
he wants to visit. Well, now they have unlimited visits
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so they can visit as many schools as they want.
So previously there used to be five visits. You can
only visit five places if they're visiting when you're like,
oh what, we're in pretty good shape. Now there's unlimited visits.
So it's like where do we really stand? I think
finding where you really stand with people is the hardest
thing or the most challenging thing with your own players
(04:14):
and with potential incoming players. Oh we got one, we
got one in the back. Is that yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
We got question? Yes, question?
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Dan Bayer Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. The question
that I have is do you refresh the portal daily
or to get updates? Like obviously you speak with your players,
but to find out who else is out there?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
How do you go about doing that?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Okay, so I'm going to Now I'm going to share
some industry secrets. You ready, So all of the big
agencies and then even all the mom and pops. They
have lists that have been circulating for probably about a
month and a half of guys that have either said
they're going in the portal, or talk with some representation,
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or there's a pretty good sense. It doesn't mean every
one of those guys are going into the portal, but
what it does is it allows you to kind of
pre plan for if this guy goes in these here's
the representation, here's the avenue.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
We use an analytics company, it's called HDI. I'll give
them some pub because what they can do is for
our specific desires, and one of the things that we
want to do is we want to at least evaluate,
if not recruit. They write kids at our level who
are from here, from here meeting Wisconsin, maybe a little
(05:39):
bit Illinois, maybe a little bit in Minnesota. Because again,
we feel like the way that we can separate ourselves
is there's only four division schools in the state and
you know, two of them are high majors, and we
feel like we can separate ourselves by hey, come on
home and and there's lots of players at our level.
(06:02):
So the point is that, yes, we do refresh it.
It is one of my coaches. It's in their office.
He has the laptop open and you're constantly like refreshing,
like ooh, look who just went in and there's actually
a rating system on some of these sites as to
who's the highest rated player currently in the portal. We
also use our analysts company to know when it's updated
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players again that are from our area or have a
couple of attributes that we're looking for. And you can
do anything you can do based upon height, no reach,
you can do based upon three point shooting percentage, assistant
turn over ratio, rebound rate, whatever you want, and literally
it can kind of handpick guys. The great thing about
the pre Portal or Dark Portal and all those lists
(06:45):
is you don't reach out to those guys, you don't tamper.
It doesn't really do you any good to tamper anyway
for the most part. Right that's like, all it's going
to do is make you look bad. But what it
does is it can prepare you so that when a
kid gets into the portal, you can be you want
to be one of the first to say, hey, we
actually know who you are, we know where you're from,
We talk to your people, and we think you'd be
(07:09):
a good fit. And here's why. So yes, we keep
the portal website always open, and our analytics company is
constantly updating us, and we do so so that guys
that we've kind of pre planned for, especially ones that
are from the state of Wisconsin, maybe from Illinois, or
have some tie to one of our coaches, whatever, the
second that they go in, we feel like we can
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not only reach out, but we're also prepared for reaching out.
We don't just when they go, hey, what do you
think about my game? We've actually watched them play, so
there's a lot of lot of video that you're watching
as you go.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
Next question, Next question, coach gott Leiba Sam Kinsley here
from the Des Moines Dispatch Gazette Sunday Times. I want
you to elaborate and expound more on just kind of
dealing with what's your protocol for dealing with like representation.
Do guys players individually contact you? You get I'm sure
(08:02):
like family members, you get agents, like, tell me more
about that, and how do you kind of how do
you put those round pieces into square holes?
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I guess okay, so I have a very good working
relationship with a couple of the top agents in the field.
And look, just because some guys are not like they
have you know, there's a guy in Detroit who's like,
he's he's young, he's starting out, but he's got some
good players. And generally, you know, I give them a
(08:33):
sense of where we are budget wise, what type of
kid we're thinking of, and then we usually talk about
about players and you know, what we're looking for or whatever.
I talk with agents. Some of it's with AU coaches. Hey,
I got a kid. A lot of people, some of
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the most powerful people in the country right now are
junior college coaches. Here's why junior college. If you went
to junior college during any time in the last four
or five years, you're going to get that year back.
And so it's not just that you don't necessarily want
to recruit junior college kids this year because junior college
kids that come out this year they're considered freshmen. But
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what you want is, hey, this kid played for me
four years ago or three years ago in junior college,
which means he'll have another year left to play. So
you call the junior college coaches and say, hey, who
do you have, who did you coach Who's going to
be in the portal that fits what we need. So
the answer is, do we talk to parents, yes, Do
we talk to family members yes. Do we talk to
(09:37):
AAU member coach Yes, do we talk to high school coaches. Yes,
there's a kid who got in the portal yesterday we
had been preparing for because he's a position of need.
And you know, I talked to his high school coach,
his former high school assistant, his AAU coach, and everybody,
you know, so that I knew who I was talking to.
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I knew it kind of kid. The other part is like,
you just don't want kids with issues like we're not.
It's just we're not at the point where it's worth
it to take kids with major issues. So we just
want kids that want to come and play basketball and
get better and hang out with some good dudes. So yes,
you talk to all of them. Say I'm believe it
or not. I mean, you know, it's interesting. I had
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a couple other non basketball phone calls to make, and
I just sent a text like sometime yesterday like Hey,
I'm just gonna apologize because this is literally the moment
I wake up to the moment I go to sleep.
Outside of doing the radio show and researching for the
radio show, this is what I'm doing. I'm building my roster,
both with my guys that I have because some of
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them are like, yeah, you know, it turns out I
really want to stay and some of them are guys
I want to leave, and I get it, and you know, like, look,
a part of it is also like I want to
have open, honest conversations even with the players who want
to stay. And the reason is, you know, some of
those guys like your role may have been bigger this
year and then it will be next year because we
have to get older, we have to get better. It
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doesn't mean I'm kicking you off the team. It just
means that you're going to have to compete to even
get back to where you have been over the past
three months because we have to be demonstratively better. So
the point is that do we talk to The answer
is yes, we talked to everybody, and you have to
be open. I had a talk with the assistant coach.
You know, lots of people you push back on having
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an agent, and you say, like, well why do you
guys like, look, if they've signed a deal with an agent,
that's done. So all you got to do is, hey,
let's make the basketball conversation about basketball, and the money conversation.
We'll deal with the agents. And I actually like that
because that's how I've always done in broadcasting. I've never
talked money one time with a boss when I've been
approached for jobs, or even when I was at ESPN
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i resigned several times over, or I was at Fox
and I resigned several times over. I've never ever talked
money with the boss. That's what do I have an
agent for. That's their job. You guys handle the money
so it doesn't get itchy between me and my boss.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Well, that's certain coach.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
That certainly sounds a little messy and open ended, but
I guess that's the way they're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Sounds mess Well, just the whole whole.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Thing now with the transfer boll is just open and
messy and just wide open. It's like, uh, tread and
water in the ocean with all you know. You got
guys staying, you got guys going, you got guys coming in.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
When to contact them? When not to?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You can't contact him until they're in the portal. Yes,
there's there's their coach.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I just hope you have unlimited texting and calling on
your cell phones.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
I do have unlimited texting calling, all right?
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Did yougog minutes? I don't know everybody has. I don't
remember while since.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
The latitude for follow up questions, this is way too latitude.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
But just me and the coach having a conversation right now,
you did you just kind of editorialized.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Like your answer obviously, so he created.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
His own answer like it's a mess, Like I didn't.
Did I ever say it was a mess.
Speaker 7 (12:49):
I just it's the way I'm interpreting. It's very, it's
very It's just so much wider in scope now than
it ever was.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
We can get this back on truck Dan Barr A question.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
I just, I just I was surprised that Sam gave
you more of a coach could you talk about sort
of question?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
That's and I think that's what he provided.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's disappointing. Disappointing.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Well, we got a lot of information out there from
the from the there's no such thing of stupid questions department.
Once you entered the transfer portal, could you go back
to the school?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Well, it depends on the school, depends on the school,
you know, again, depends on the school, depends on the kid,
depends on the relationship with the coach. But the answer
is you can, but you they don't have to take
you back.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I would be I would have a tough time if
I was a coach having my emotions not getting in
the way, if I just found out a kid put
his name in and then being like, oh and now
you want to come back, sorry, I would have a
tough time.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Taking a kid back if he just jumped in.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, that's awkward.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It's very it's very awkward. Some some schools say, hey,
you can can't use our facility anymore, but it is
completely up to the coach's choice. What I have chosen
to do is you can use the facility. We're not
turning off your card, but you can't use the locker
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room and you can't get into our our workouts. So
are the guys play pick up basketball after the workouts?
And I don't know, you know the number of guys
who are on campus that are in the portal, because again,
all the guys that are not in the portal that
are on campus, we check in with them every day
and we see them has come to workouts and they
come through the office or whenever the other guys do not.
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But I'm not doing this like hey, you're not welcome here,
Like you know, there's a reason that there's there's a
very reasonable reason why all of them though I don't
agree with two of my guys that are that are
leaving and why they're leaving, but again they're allowed to
and I'm I'm gonna help them. I'm just different than
some people. I don't know how it works for everybody.
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Some guys get super bitter, some guys do not. Some
guys come and they're just like, hey, get rid of everybody.
I've had several coaches say like, just get rid of everybody,
start over, and I'm like, I don't think we win
here that way. I think we win here with the
guys that were in the fight, that kept fighting through
the losing streak, that want to get better understanding. The
role may change for the lesser next year, but they're
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all All they want to do is win, and those
guys we want to keep. Those guys are glue. Any
other ones, OK, No, I'm the head coach. I get
to set the schedule.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Hold on, let's ask the coach. This is the best
of the Done Dot Leap Show on Fox Sports.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Radio Stut gott Leap Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
And anyone who's played against his teams not surprised from
the times that his team's terrorized us when I was
at Oklahoma State to what he's done before, and since
Calvin Samson is a Hall of Fame basketball coach, his
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team's in the sweet sixteen yet again and a favorite
across all boards to reach the final fourties, kind of
have to spend some time this year on Fox Sports Radio. Coach,
how are.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
You going good? You're still one of the top point guards,
leading a three on one, two on one, three on
two past break automatic. You were going to find the
right guy.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
We were definitely gonna get a buck in half court,
maybe not as much, and you didn't have to guard me,
so you paid an accurate, accurate, positive, positive picture. What's
your assessment of how your team played first weekend of
the tournament.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Well, the first game, it was all about mindset and maturity,
making sure your your leaders are dialed in because you
know every game is important. You know you get the
one sixteen. But our team has been able to be
good this year because of our player leadership, and so
(17:02):
I give a lot of credit to that game to
l J. Chrier and uh J One Roberts. Those two
guys are unbelievable leaders. Then Dagga game was a one
of those games. When I saw the brackets I saw
in Zaga, Georgia said, well, if it's Gonzaga, that's gonna
(17:23):
be a holy war marking the Zaga program. Is there
weren't benchmark programs in the in the country over how
many years. I mean they went to night who goes
to ninth straight sweet sixteen.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Gonzaga too, Yeah, unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
And and they were playing their best basketball when they
put Huffs at the fourth spot, and that means they
started two fives yeah each and Huff And I knew
that was gonna be tough because if you haven't double
the post on both sides of the floor. As good
as nim Hart is they were, they were going to
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be dangerous. So I thought we were dialed into that
game as well. Played really, really good until the last
two minutes and their half court one three one trap
gave us some problems. But you know, when you get
to the tournament, Doug, and you win a game, the
last thing you want to do is go backwards and
hand life that you just survive in advance and move on.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I want to get to this year's team and and
this week and this weekend. But like for people who
I don't know how many people in college basketball remember,
but before you got there, like Houston was a dead
end job. It just was. It was friends and family
only nobody went. Obviously, back when it was hoff Hinz,
it was a decrepit old building. They threw a bunch
(18:49):
of money into it. It's beautiful now. But look, you
you're a builder, right from from Montana Tech to Wazoo
to Oklahoma. Wasn't great when you took it over to
Indiana when he took it over? What has what has
this build been like in comparison to the others.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I've enjoyed this one more because of Kellen and Lauren
being with me. You know, when I was with the
Houston Rockets and I got approached about this opportunity, you know,
my agent goes, okay, there's three FOURT schools. This almost
to interview you, this wants to hire you. This onemost
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to press conference tomorrow. And that's how he was characterized
in all of them. But as the stars started aligning
a little bit, Kellyn had just been fired at Appalachian's Bake.
You know that's my son. I know what kind of
person he is. I know his work as a. I
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know the kind of basketball mind he has. My daughter
Lauren was then a stop where she was doing pretty good,
but it wasn't her willhouse that she's a little bit miserable,
and so I said, I told the athletics break at
the time, Mac Rhodes, if you can find a way
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to allow me to hire telling and then bring Lauren
in the next year, I think we can get this done.
So this one has been the most fun. I think
this one has been by far the hardest because of
the apathy, lack of support, just the general view of
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what Houston basketball was. They were still attaching themselves to
Fi Slama Jama and you know, almost forty years ago,
so we didn't really have a lot to build on.
So we just started building. You know, sometimes you inherit
a winning program. Sometimes you got to build a winning program.
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But been able to do it by with my family
and Karen here. You know, That's that's why this has
been the best job I've ever had, because that's you know,
my grandkids live three miles away. I see my my
two kids every day. We go through this journey together
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and it's been just a thrill of a lifetime for me.
It's an unbelievable way too. You know, obviously this is
gonna be my last thoughts and when I decided to Okay,
that's it. Uh, I'll look back at my time at
University of Houston as the as the uh best time
in my career.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
What will be the determining factor? I mean, you know
how how it works when you when you become so
well respected and you've built it up to this point
and you you have it perfectly set up for Kelen
to take over. You got to make that tough decision.
What will be the determined factor as to when you
decide I'm not going to do this.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, the question, and I really am not sure even
how to answer it. I do know that this is
very much a young man's a young man's time. You know.
I came up in the eighties and nineties, and you know,
(22:19):
Judge Heathcote, I owe him so much giving me opportunity
to get started. And then Montana Tech took a chance
on a twenty five year old guy, Washington State took
a chance on a thirty one year old guy. So
I was pretty good at getting hard jobs. But then
again a lot of people had to turn those jobs
down for it even got to me. So but when
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I look back and then I look forward, you always
want to leave the place that you were in better shape,
and obviously this one is. But I also want to
make sure that Kellen is in a position where he's
got a chance to win right away too. So my plan,
my plan is, I'm I'm definitely going to coach on
(23:06):
next season, and then you know, you just never know.
I mean, I may be here five more years, I
may be here four more years. I don't know. I
doubt it, but you never know, you do know. No.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Kevin Sampson's our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's let's get to this weekend.
So now you know, Purdue a team that reputation wise
rugged Big ten, but no one has the defensive reputation
your team, your team has. What's what's the biggest challenge.
You've done the Sweet sixteen, you've done the Final four
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so often, what's the biggest challenge for this group in
getting ready for Purdue.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
First of all, we respect your opponent, you know, forget
what other people saying things that's irrelevant to your to
your mission. Our missions to play our best brand of
basketball art. You know, we have a clear identity. Don't
know how we play, and I think when you get
(24:08):
in the tournament sometimes the bright lights and all the
attention can chain some kids. And my little Uzan had
never played in the tournament. Now he's got two games
under his belt. I like the way he handled the moment. So,
you know, for us is being good at the things
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we're good at. You can't always assume you're going to
shoot the ball great, you can't always assume that you're
going to get a great whistle. Those are things that
are out of your control. So being able to, you know,
play defense and rebounding, doing the things this god is here.
You know, we've won a lot of road games on nights.
(24:51):
Some nights we shot it good, some nights we didn't. Well.
We always found a way to win the game. And
I think that's been our identity. If you watch this
not very good offensively, you watched this late a lot
more symmetry with our offense. Our spacing has been better,
our offensive rebounds rebound has been a little bit more
(25:11):
consistent than the physical nature of the game. Last year
we played A and M in the second round in Memphis.
I think both teams went to the line fifty times
a piece and we have four guys file out. But
that was a that was a tight whistle because bag
game the other night was a little bit of a
(25:32):
looser whistle. So those are things that the players don't
worry about, but the old coaches do it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, well, coach, listen, it's not our to catch
up with you. Uh. We all watch and marvel at
what you're able to do, how hard they're able to compete,
and uh, and I know this team is better offensively obviously.
You know, in the last year you had a tough
injury that really ended ended to run unfortunately. But best
of luck this weekend, and thanks so much for spend
some time with us.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Always always good to be with you, Doug. And that's
the luck to you in year two.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Oh well, we're gonna we're gonna need it, but I
appreciate it. That's Kelvin Samson, head coach of the Koogs
of Houston. I will point this out. And did you
guys watch the end of the Maryland Colorado State game?
Where did Jay stew were you watching? I know byer
you were watching that. I'm sure were you working at
the time. I'm trying to get my time of what
(26:27):
it was because I'm in Green Bay and so it
was dark outside. Were you on air fire during the
end of the.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
Maryland No, I did the show with Mike Harmon yesterday.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
So did you happen to catch the end of it?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Okay. I want to make sure, like I don't want
to speak at it at a term, it was a
really that was a fun game to watch, really competitive,
and at the very end of the game, the very
end of the game, Colorado State gets a huge three
from Jalen Lake. And Jalen Lake it's only interesting because
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he's actually spent four years at Colorado State. You're like, wait,
what you know? It's like the Beta Max. They still
make you, only to be outdone by a kidnamed Derek
Queen who's star freshman center for Maryland. Derek Queen is
a tremendous player. Sixteen a game, sixteen and nine gonna
be a first round pick. And there's a couple of
(27:28):
different parts to it. First, here's let's just get the
thoughts really quick of Maryland's head coach Kevin Willard, who
said this about the decision to get Derek Queen the
ball At the end of the game, I.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Asked everybody, I said, who wants the ball?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
And he said, give me the MF ball and I said,
you're getting it, and I said, don't mess around, go
after it and do it.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
And I give a lot, right, man, the big dog
came up and.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Throw all right, So that part of it is awesome, awesome, right,
give me the ball and he goes and gets a
bucket and he caught it basically top of the key sweepes,
goes to his left hand and shoots a kind of
runner pull up off his right foot with a bank shot,
and that's what it's a hard shot. It was good defense,
even better offense. And I think it was over cam
(28:21):
Heidie Cameron Heidi who played last year for Produce. So
I mean it's like he's going against a high level defender.
And what happens on social media is that's a travel.
That's a travel They CBS, trots G or maybe it
was TNT. I don't remember watching all the networks. Right,
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Jean's sterotor comes out. Jean's sterritor is there? What's the term?
He's their official the rules analysts or something right, and
Jean's of course from NFL ref but also college basketball ref.
And he's like, yeah, I mean I don't really see
a travel there, like you know it. He kind of
explains the gathering rule whatever. And yet even to today,
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like if you want to peruse into social media, you
get people like it is to travel, I thought, Nico
medved he was like, I don't know, I didn't call it,
so it's not a travel like I even he hadn't
even seen I have even thought about it. And there's
a couple of different parts to it. Here's the first
important part when you travel, if a guy travels, especially
the guy with the basketball travels. First of all, when
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you look at the bench, usually the opposing bench is
all going to be doing the traveling symbol, right, and
there'll be people in the crowd doing the travel travel thing.
I didn't see any of that. Also, when you if
you're dare queen and you travel, it's a lot like
when you misspeak or you yet you're syntax is off
in the English language, it just feels weird, is it is?
(29:53):
Or are I'm always confused? Right if you use the
wrong tense, or you know the wrong pro now and
you've used the wrong verb. You use these like it
feels weird. Traveling is much the same way you play basketball.
And Derek Queen's a young kid. Think he's like nineteen
years old, so he's been playing basketball probably for I
don't know, twelve years, ten twelve years, like you get it.
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And if he traveled, it would have felt weird and
he'd be like, eh, yeah, I'll count it. None of
that happened. But the bigger thing is we've become these
we've become. This is who we've become, and I get it.
We want an upset so badly Colorado State felt like
an upset against Maryland right that you'll do anything to
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point out the flaws in something great. And again, it
doesn't mean we need it to be artificial. We don't
need it to be like, you know, he gets the
ball and he runs five or six steps and then
everybody stops is like what the heck? And then he
lays the ball in. You had the rules analysts say
it wasn't a travel. He had no one in the
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stand or on the Colorado States bench doing the travel symbol.
It may have left a little different to you because
he jumped off his right foot and the gather wasn't
until it was I mean, was it technically maybe close? Okay,
this is like Jordan's push off of Brian Russell, Like,
what are we really doing? Why have we found the
(31:23):
need to find flaw in everything? This is the Sidney
Crawford has a mole. I'm aware Sidney Crawford has a mole.
Have any of you who point out Sidney Crawford has
a mole? Been like Sidney Crawford wants to go out
with you, You're like, I don't know she's got a mole. No,
I'm just not in the like, moles creep me out
and I can't stop staring at them. No, you're going
(31:44):
out with Sidney Crawford. And I know the Sidney Crawford
reference might be a little bit too old, right, but
Sidney Crawford, by the way, is still hot. I don't
think anybody would still point out she's like sixty and
she's still amazing. So we have to stop this. We
have to stop finding flaw or controversy or a conspiracy
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in literally everything. Derek Queen just made a really, really
hard shot. Maryland's gonna move on it. Sucks. If you
were super invested into Colorado State basketball for the last
weekend or if you followed this team all year, it's
been a really cool story. But I mean, even the
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opposing coach was not like it was a blatant travel whatever.
They got away with it. It's like, I don't know, right,
So I just how do we become those people? Dan,
(32:52):
did you think it was a blatant travel?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
No, I didn't think it was a travel at all. Right,
I love that it was, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, I mean, you have you have the rules analyst,
a guy who's officiated final fours, like you didn't see
much anything there. You're like, no, no, I know, I'm right, Like, no,
you don't. You don't actually know how the rule is officiated.
I just I don't know what to do with people
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like that. It'd be one thing if he was like, yeah,
you know, it's kind of close, but you don't call
it in that spot and there's some argument, but he
was like, no that I don't even see it travel there.
But that's who we become. We've become that obnoxious guy
that's sitting there going like she's too skinny, Like, dude,
(33:43):
she would you would never be able to ask her
out every in your life. Yeah, but she's she's just
too skinny.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
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Uh?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Okay, I love this part of the show. I tease
Jay stew about it, but I tease him because I
actually really liked this part of the show. Because you know,
we all have that thing that we'd like to do,
maybe even in our jobs, but we don't get to
do right like I think that Jason Stewart would love.
(34:49):
Like there's just a part of him that would love
to be am uh a like morning rock station guy,
cause that's and he kind of makes fun of it
when he goes, thanks Doug, I'll take it from here. No,
that's not it. Thanks Doug, gonna take it. He does
that that deal, That's that's great. I've done most everything
(35:11):
I I actually do secretly wish I had the skills
of Sam where I could play the drops all the time.
There's something is it called a short stop? What is
that little box that I used to have one or whatever,
but like a.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Hot hot button box, hot keybox.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Replay yeah, replay machine, right, And I used to have
one at one of my previous stops. And I think
I think the reason it hasn't been offered up to
me is because, you know, yeah, I'm like a little kid.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
You know, I'll quote I'll quote our our boss Don Martin,
my man. As soon as you give some hosts that replay,
it just becomes silly madness. Now, Matt money Smith might
be the greatest, the greatest manipulator of the replay machine
in the history of radio. Agreed, him and Petros are
pretty wacky with that stuff. My wife to my wife
(36:02):
to night to night a lot of people don't know
what we're talking about, but they are hoo to those two.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
They know they are who Action Match Action much Hold on,
We're like not even pressing drops for just yelling things.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
This is what I'm talking about, man. And then there's
one of Petros who's like, ah, over.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
And over, We're good, dude, We're not even on in LA.
We're making We're quoting the best sports show in l
A that no one can hear outside of l A.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
So digitally available, please access it.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
People might recognize Petros because he does some games with
FS one for college football and he's on jumps on
two pros and.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
It doesn't matter, I know, but because he plays relatively straight.
Who doesn't love Petros.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
He's a hoot.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
He's he's and he's honestly super super talented as a yeah,
as a college football analyst. Anyway, if we want to
get to the like original great drop and this is
I think pre dat Eading or maybe early on Jay
stew in your tenure with Rome, because when Rome used
to do a local radio in San Diego, they used
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to have people call in and order a drug test
for people, and there was like a ping in the
cup sound. Did you guys do that when you were there?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Drug drug?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was a great that was a great drop. And
you have people come in and like Rome first time
long time.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
I want to or a drug test for Stephen A.
Smith for saying that had Lebron James put his hands
on him when they were arguing about Brownie, he would
have gone. He would he would have you know, he
would have what is it, thrown hands? Is that the
expression thrown hands at him?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Drug test?
Speaker 4 (37:42):
You want drug drug drug drug?
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Anyway, Now that's not the drop. Let's uh, let's get
the don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
All right, Doug, I want our listeners to go back
to two thousand and three. Rewind the clock to two
thousand and three. Now, what were you doing in two
thousand and three. I want each of you listeners to
think of what you were doing with your headspace, was
where you were in your wife, in your career. And
then I want to introduce something that happened around this
(38:25):
time twenty two years ago. Freshman out of Syracuse, Carmelo
Anthony put the at the time named Orangeman on his
back and carry them to Jim Beheim's first and only
national championship. Carmelo Anthony had an amazing tournament that of
(38:51):
course eclipsed in the final four when he beat Texas
with thirty three points on twelve of nineteen shooting. He
would go on to beat Roy Williams and Kansas in
the next game.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Again, you talk about Kansas and Roy Williams. Oh, what's
Syracuse and Jim Beah.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Are you doing the hands too?
Speaker 7 (39:13):
Doesn't He kind of wave his hands around a little bit,
kind of like a little like lately, kind of a
pageant wave, But he's like, Oh, that's all the enthusiasm.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Doug, Who do you remember most about that two thousand
and three NC double a tournament other than Carmelo?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Well, there's two parts to it. One, Oklahoma State led
that Circus team by I think seventeen points at the
half in Boston Garden had lost. Secondly, was I never
watched the game. That's the only tournament I never watched
the game in. I was in France playing for Camo.
It was after my first season of covering college basketball.
I had a midday show in two thousand and two
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in Oklahoma City and into early two thousand and three,
I called the Whack Championship Game, which I believe was
feeding the Tulsa and Nevada and I was driving down
four head back to Oklahoma City, where we had purchased
our first home in Edgemere Park, Oklahoma City shout out
to Edgemere Park, and I got a call from my
(40:10):
then basketball agent, Michael Siegel, who said, if you leave
tomorrow you can play in Portugal First Division. You'll go
to the playoffs, and if you wait till the end
of the week, then you go to France. There's a
pro B team trying to move up to Pro A.
Their point guard got hurt and it'd just be a month,
but it would be able to get you kind of
(40:32):
back in. You'd be Pro A next year if you want.
I had started working for a guy named Larry Bastita
and Oklahoma City, who is the head of I think
it was a Cumulus station back then. I don't remember. Anyway,
WWL is a sports animal, and I felt like I
couldn't leave, like without saying goodbye or telling him I
was going. So I was like, I'll take the one.
(40:54):
At the end of the week, I went to France
and this little pub that I got all my meals
at for free playing for my club. They had Eurosport,
and I watched highlights of that tournament. I didn't actually
watch that tournament. I did know the Oklahoma State one
only because when I got back, it was one of
the first things I watched was the entirety of the
Oklahoma State game where they had a big lead against
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Syracuse in the NCAA tournament and only to lose in
the second half.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
Well, what you did miss was a guy, a little
named guy named Dwayne Wade leading Marquette I think into
the Elite eight, and he would be in the same
draft class with Carmel Well Anthony, who shared the draft
class with Lebron James, arguably the greatest draft in the
(41:40):
history of the NBA two thousand and three. That would
happen three months later in June, Isaac. When you think
back to two thousand and three, what comes to mind.
Speaker 8 (41:53):
The Steve Bartman Cubs deal. Oh yeah, but one other thing,
because this is where my salacious mind goes the phrase
it's Rollin', it's rollin' brief. Alabama head coach Mike Price
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was hired and then fired shortly thereafter, because of what
I just said. But in all seriousness, when you think
about it, that incident back in two thousand and three
was a huge sliding doors incident for college football history
because it set Alabama football on the path to Nick Saban.
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Lady's name was Destiny. Literally, her name was Destiny, or
perhaps that was her stage name.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
I don't know. I'm happy, I'm happy as hell.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Please welcome Destiny.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Hey, I love it here.
Speaker 7 (42:49):
By the way, Dwayne Wade took him all the way
to the Final Four that year with Marquette. When looked
that up, wow wow, I can say this USC football
was in two thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
They were right in the middle of.
Speaker 7 (43:02):
Their sweet, sweet sweet run with Pete Carroll and Carson
Palmer handing off to Matt Liinert and Reggie Bush there
and look at where they all are now. We got
Pete Carroll coaching the Raiders. I mean, this guy is
going to coach to Lee Croakes a lot of energy.
But they had it home in there coliseum. I mean, listen,
(43:24):
I'm not even from this area. Isaac helped me out here.
The coliseum was back to the gills. They took off
the tarps.
Speaker 8 (43:29):
It was one a to the Lakers as the hottest
thing in town, right in the NFL teams right, celebrities
all over the sideline at practice.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
It was like a neighborhood festival.
Speaker 8 (43:41):
You had a list celebrities at their practices back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Back in the day.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
This is something I don't recall. It was.
Speaker 7 (43:52):
Sorry, it was a split National championship. I guess between
and LSU. LSU winning the BCS and Southern California take
the AP.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
I believe that. Tell bitter about that?
Speaker 5 (44:02):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (44:03):
Sorry, Jason, ye you. Steve McNair shared the MVP award.
I didn't know this happened. Steve McNair of the Tennessee
Titans shared the MVP award with Peyton Manning. That was
the year that the Patriots went back to the Super
Bowl to win their second of three in four years.
Two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Okay, two thousand and three then became my first year
doing national sports radio. I did the NBA Draft on
ESPN Radio and that draft was pretty good, all right.
Some guy named Lebron James Dwayne Wade previously mentioned, Chris Bosch, Carmelo,
Anthony Darko, Milliset who I played against, when I was
(44:50):
in Israel from Hemma, from Vrazik and then anyway, I
mean two thousand and three was Aaron fing Boone.
Speaker 8 (45:00):
Right, and and Grady Little leaving Pedro in in that
game too.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Well, he took him out. Pedro put the jacket on,
shook the hands, and then put him back out for
the seventh inning where he went over one hundred pitches
and that's where all h double chopped sticks broke loose.
Was the Aaron Boone home run in the fourteenth inning?
Speaker 8 (45:21):
I want to say it was the thirteenth inning. I'll
look it up for you real quick. But it was
against Tim Wakefield and it was I think on the
first pitch if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing about knuckleballs is
occasionally they don't move, and when they don't move, they
do move over the fence.
Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yankees would go on to lose to the Marlins, led
by Josh Beckett. Dontreu Willis, a very young Miguel Cabrera
who would start a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Also Moisis Aliu right of the Cubs. Oh, he was
of the Marlins back then.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
No mois a Loo was I think a part of
the ninety seven World Championship team. He was a part
of the Cubs for the Steve Bartman cutch.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah, I think he was. Oh he was on ninety seven. Okay, No,
can you check that. I think Alu was on the Marlins.
I could be wrong. Again. My baseball knowledge is not
nearly yours.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
I'm saying Alu was on the ninety seven team. He
went to the Cubs and he was the one here
to go to the Cub Steve Bartman.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
He was with the Cubs from two thousand and two
through two thousand and four. He was with the Marlins
only in ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
That's what I said. I just said he was with
the ninety seven Cubs.
Speaker 8 (46:35):
No, no, no, he was with the ninety seven Marlins.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
He was with the Cubs.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
That's what I said. He was with the ninety seven Marlins. God,
you guys keep screwing it up. That's a joke.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
I remember they did an interview yelling at me with
Moyses Sawlou. It was like a sixty minutes focus piece
and he he had headphones on and Mike Wallace was like,
what song are you listening to right now? And moyso
sa lose this one?
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh go shoot? Okay, so let me tell you about
this song. I'm still a banger, so it is still
a banger. So let me tell you about this song. Okay.
So when I played in France, we played against PSG
Racing that's Tony Parker's old team and Tony Parker's old team,
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and it was in Paris, and they had a DJ
during the game and literally every time I dribbled the
ball of the court, that song was playing. And it's
really hard to play basketball when you're not getting down
to the song. You're like dribbling to the beat, like
that doesn't really go on that.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
A little too slow. Maybe you got a double time
it right?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah? Yeah, great song.
Speaker 4 (47:48):
You recently went to a concert with him?
Speaker 1 (47:50):
Right about recently? It was in when did I go
to Israel? Las was that oh, okay, twenty twenty one?
Twenty one, right, I think or twenty twenty two when
I last went to Israel. Yeah. I took Harper, my
daughter to go see uh fifty cent.
Speaker 4 (48:11):
And that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
She was like, I know a couple of these songs
because when I first said, hey, we're going to see Fiddy.
She was like, I don't know who that is? What?
Well at the time, she was like sixteen years old.
Speaker 7 (48:21):
But he's I like Fiddy a lot, and uh, I
don't know. He was way out. He was way in
front of that didty.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
He was way in front of the Diddy thing.
Speaker 7 (48:29):
He seems like a good dude, Like he's like, I
don't mess with that stuff. So I'm a Fitty fan.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
He was shot like ninety I know, but he left
that he clearly upsets somebody in his life.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I don't really. Uh, we're not
going to address the number two song that year. I'll
just tell people it was Ignition by R Kelly. I'm
not going to play it because I'm not a fan
of his anymore.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
I think we can It's a great song though.
Speaker 4 (48:53):
He's a great sung song.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
Oh that's not his best song by far.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
It is to me, it's not my mind, no no, no,
catalog from your brain.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
I believe I Can Fly is his greatest.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
So it's an awful song. What all right? I wanted
to show.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait cut the music
on this what what Wayne? What world is like? Again?
It's a great now that's not it.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
I know I'm not playing. We need some music.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
By the way, Ignition the remix Ignition is a great song.
Regular Ignition is fine, but neither compared to I Believe
I Can Fly. I Believe I Can Touch the Sky.
Speaker 4 (49:34):
So cheesy, good song, overplayed cliche. Now he's in jail.
Let me share the number three song?
Speaker 1 (49:40):
What again? Like whoa wait wait, I need a ruling here,
so you wait, Sam, do you agree with that that
Ignition is a better song than I Believe I Could Fly?
Speaker 2 (49:48):
Man?
Speaker 4 (49:49):
I don't even know.
Speaker 7 (49:50):
I think that the most the most popular song you
ever had was I Believe I Can Fly.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
He was in movie. I think got overplayed it, got
over it again.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
It's not over because it's his best song.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
It is his best song. I agree with that. I
agree with you. Nish is more of like a club song,
but again.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
R.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Kelly is paying for.
Speaker 1 (50:10):
It's also a baby making song. Let's be honest.
Speaker 7 (50:12):
Yeah, oh yeah, but here's here's the number three song
in nation, which I've been actually kind of jonesing to
play for a while. Now here we go, Oh yeah, Sean, Paul,
come on, shake nache, get busy. That's the song. Yeah,
there you go. It's a good song, too good club song.
Speaker 5 (50:31):
There we go.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
No, no, no, All right, gentlemen, let's get our popcorn
and take a trip to the movie. Gottlieb has the
greatest movies of two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
Typically, Well, remember I was out of country for a
little bit, and then I moved cross country to Connecticut.
But I did then. Once I moved to Connecticut, then
I had no time to ever watch TV because I
was or good the movies because I was working at night.
But there was a couple interesting ones, right, Uh. The
number one movie was Finding Nemo.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Still haven't seen it.
Speaker 7 (51:06):
What when people talk about Brandon Neimo, I just want
to say Finding Nemo, but I have not seen Finding Nemo.
I was a let's see, I was like a sophomore
in high school. That was for babies, for children, children's.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Okay, what about Pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 7 (51:19):
Have seen Pirates of the Caribbean. I love sailor movies.
I'm a fan of Johnny Depp in general.
Speaker 1 (51:24):
But I don't think Taylor movies.
Speaker 7 (51:25):
Yeah, like, well, you know, Master in Command or like
you know, like old boats and ships and stuff. But
I'm not a you know, Pirates of the Caribbean was good.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
It wasn't. It didn't.
Speaker 7 (51:33):
It's not on my all time face, but it's a
good one. It was a big obviously huge money maker.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
Who is who is the female lead? Oh?
Speaker 4 (51:40):
Man, I want to say, it's Kira Knightley, who's got like, yes,
ten times more teeth than you should have in your mouth.
She's she's a shark.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
She's made, but she was incredibly hot in that movie.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
She's there Portman with a lot of tooth. Yes, I
kind of confuse her with Natalie Portman.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
But.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean whatever. I mean.
She does have a lot of teeth that she could
take one out and no one would missed. I always
thought her teeth were like a sorority photo, you know,
where everybody's trying to cram in there.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
You know, she was made to eat corn on the cob.
Speaker 1 (52:17):
Other movies, uh, Lord of the Rings, which I've never
seen start to finish because it's so long. I always fall.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Asleep, Like the third installment, right, the last one, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (52:29):
I've never watched any other one is like nine hours long.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
I saw it in theaters and there's like an extended
cut that I think is like five hours long.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
Pause.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
ELF is two thousand and three, which my son Hayes
believes is the greatest Christmas movie ever.
Speaker 4 (52:44):
I just saw l for the first time this past
holiday season.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
Well, uh, it was it was. Hays asked. We watched
Will will Ferrell's son play basketball. This is a couple
of years ago, and Will told us that that was
his most embarrassing movie to make because he didn't think
it was funny because he was running around New York
City and yellow tights and nobody laughed. But it's just
a movie. So x Men United, Bruce Almighty. That was
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back when Jim Carrey was funny. Doesn't feel like he's
funny anymore.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Steve Carrell wasn't that too, And then he had did
the sequel.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Yeah, and that is. Don't call it throw back Thursday.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
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Doug Gottlieb
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