May 10, 2025 • 50 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug weighs in on the Draymond Green controversy as the embattled NBA star made an inflammatory comment after the game.
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew share their theories on why we have had so many late comebacks and choke jobs in these NBA playoffs.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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It's a beautiful day in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I think
it's beautiful out there in southern California as well, coast
to coast, and we're in the Midwest, the flyover region.
We're with you for the next couple of hours. Plus
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Game three. All right, Mark Stein's gonna join us. We'll
talk to more NBA playoffs. A lot to get to.
Happy Friday, Happy Friday, Happy Friday. The t Wolves beat
the Warriors, and they did a good job for the
most part. There's one run in the third quarter where
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the Warriors got it close, but for the most part,
they kept the Warriors at arms distance, and they tied
the series up at one apiece. No Steph Curry not
expected to play in Game three either, and Draymond Green
gets a technical so he's two texts short of receiving
an automatic one game suspension. And then after the game,
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Draymon well, he went full as Raymond.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It looked like the angry black man. I'm not an
angry black man.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm a very.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Successful, educated black man with a great family, and I'm
great at basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm great at what I do.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
To get the a gender.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
To try to keep making me look like an angry
black man is crazy. I'm sick of it. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, So they're trying to make him look like an
angry black man. I mean, here's the guy who's led
the NBA in technical fouls, a guy who punched his
own teammate and negatively impacted the trajectory of that version
of the Golden State Warriors. Like this is who Draymond
Green is. And yeah, I don't know how he is?
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He black? Yes? Did he look angry? Sure? Is he?
Then the angry black man? We all know that that's
a different sort of portrayal. And the idea is, you know,
you're making somebody defensive, and then you're like, why are
you being so defensive? Like, well, because I have to
defend myself, and then you crank it up. But Draymond
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turning himself into a victim is Yeah, it's I mean,
that's uh, that's odd to see if that actually passes
anybody's stiff test. Do any of you guys think that
Draymond is the victim in this in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm I'm I don't no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, it's a weird thing, Dan, And I feel like,
are we giving him oxygen that he doesn't need for
this particular part of the comment?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right, I mean, like this show, are you talking about media?
Are you talking about like of giving that oxygen?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I just say, in the whole Angry black Man comment
from this show's perspective, are we giving an oxygen when
like that that's just taking us a field from the
actual play, from the suspension, from the antics, from everything else.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think that the comment is absurd, so just in
by itself that it should be left alone. But I
also think that Draymond, I think there's there's some sort
of angle here. Again it's another daring of the of
the referees, of the officials. I think that that comes
into play. I don't know if he's trying to garner
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any sort of you know, empathy, or anything from from
a fan base that may not of otherwise cheerful. I
have no idea. I don't know if he's trying to
garner support from the home crowd, trying to think that
he's the one that's being wronged. I think all of
those could be in play. I just don't think that
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what he claims is happening is actually happening.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But no one does, Yeah, no one does. On the
other hand, there's a little bit of I said this
before about about Lebron where we can and others do
this as well, where they copy the Trump idea. If
you don't follow what Lebron is saying, you don't agree
with what he's saying, one, then you're out right, which
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is what Donald Trump has done. This is a little
bit Trumpian as well, where you're like, no, no, I'm
the victim here. Everybody else is wrong me. You put
me in a position to look like something that I'm
not like one, No one brought up the old idea
of an angry black man previously. And secondly, like, yeah,
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I mean the most of the league, the American born
players are black. So if anybody gets angry, technically, if
you want to get down to it, I know that's
not what he means by angry black man, but you'll
look like an angry black man or an angry man
who happens to be black. And then you're the one
who's constantly getting thrown out of games. You're the one
who's constantly getting into a fray because you're the one
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who's constantly you know, hitting guys across the head or
kicking guys in the nuts, like those are the things
that you're doing. And there's just no acceptance of it,
despite the fact that he is right, he is well educated,
does have a good family, none of that, all that
can be true. But this is like an every year
thing with him. Sure, and the part that I've said
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this before, but this is the perfect example of it.
You know, us pointing out that he appears angry, he's
he can label you as a racist. And when you're
labeled a racist, especially when you're not and I know
you are not, and I know I am not. It's like,
what am I supposed to do to prove that I'm
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not a racist? But still point out your bs? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Sure? So this is this is the interesting part of
it is I don't think he's talking. I don't know
who he's talking to because I don't know if he's
talking to Like in this case last night, Tony Brothers
was part of the officiating crew, which, by the way,
I feel like Tony Brothers has officiated every single Playoff
game this year, like it. Every time I'm on TV.
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I think I saw Zach Zarbel once, but otherwise I
think I see Tony Brothers every single game. So I
don't know if Draymond is saying not an in a
racial way of white against black, but saying to Tony Brothers,
who is one of the three officials last night.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And for people don't know if Tony Brothers is black, Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You keep doing this to me and you're the one,
as a black man that's making me look like an
angry black man because.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Every well could be true, but he doesn't. He doesn't specify,
So it's left us feel like, is he point out
the media, Is he talking about the crowd in Minnesota.
Is he talking about the officials? Is he pointing out
the league?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I think he's smart enough to know that everyone
will take notice of his comments and react in some way.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Which is what we're doing. Sure, this is the part
about giving an oxygen that I.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Mean, yeah, absolutely, And the officiating like will you will
you react in a way where you will either change
give him more leeway or will you do the opposite?
And I think that he's betting that maybe he will
get more more leeway. He was yelling at some of
and I don't know if he was yelling at Nazrid yesterday,
because there's no doubt that he hit nas Read. There's
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no doubt that he hit Fred van Vliet in Game
seven on Sunday night. Like those on those follow through actions,
those are absolutely deliberate.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And and it's Draymond one oh one, yes, right, it's
literally Draymond one on one. That's what he does. That's
what he does. So I it's he does so many
things on the basketball floor which are amazing. But there's
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a way and and there is a necessary evil too,
And might say evil, I don't mean like real evil,
but in terms of basketball evil there's a necessary evil
to having a guy who's not afraid to be a
little bit of a cheap shot or not afraid. You
need a couple of guys that are crazy. You can't
have too many, but you need a couple of guys
otherwise you just get punked, You just get pushed around.
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If you have too many nice guys, it doesn't work.
If you have too many guys that are nasty, sometimes
that doesn't work. So he the whole thing works together.
But when you're right on that line of except and
unacceptable behavior, don't be surprised when some people take it
as unacceptable. He just doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
And I think he's thinking he doesn't get the benefit
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of the doubt, you know, because they're trying to trigger him.
I don't think that's not what it is. It's dude,
you lost the benefit of the doubt years ago when
you were constantly, you know, calling out officials, making a
mockery of them and causing yourself to get technical fouls
and you get you suspended Previously.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think he lost the benefit of the doubt in
the twenty sixteen finals. I think that that was the
that was the line with the crotch shot the suspension.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Remember he had a bunch of different kicks into the
crotch Yeah that were supposedly inadvertent leading up to that.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So it's been nine years and now's the time that
he's had enough.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
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Speaker 2 (11:11):
It's time for.
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The midway.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, for midway topics today. By the way, I knew
what I want to talk about, Dan, It was Gabe Davis,
just like you want to talk about a guy who
had he had such a good year with the Bills
and he goes to the Jags and that clearly did
not work. One and done. There.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, new coach, new regime. Youve got Travis Hunter now
there to go along with Brian Thomas. So yeah, sometimes
it just doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Just to sometimes it doesn't work out. Okay, do you
guys have a theory on why there have been so
many comebacks here, especially in the NBA playoffs? You want
Some are choke jobs, some are just old fashioned comebacks.
Some are a little bit in the middle, Like, what's
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a working theory that you have?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I have one more.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hypotheses, right, because the theory is one that's proven. Go ahead, Dan,
go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So you know, we talk about all the time the
NBA's effort to try to get players engaged during the
regular season. We got the NBA Cup, we got the
All Star Shenanigans, and then we got this stupid play
in tournament. All is an effort to get interest from
the players to play harder. They mask it as a
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gift to the fans, but it's actually a way to
get the players to play harder, to be engaged, to
be competitive. Well, what happens when you have an unengaged
set of young players that aren't competitive during the regular
season and then they get into these ball the butt
squinching moments in a playoff game when it really matters.
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The guy that I don't know the name of, Dan
will know, You'll know whoever threw the inbounds pass to
the pacer last night. That was the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Again. That was again we just talked about it.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Did it again?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Like two nights ago, what happened at the end of
the game with with with home grin. That's a choke.
These guys are not in moments like this at all ever,
and they're not engaged. The regular season doesn't matter. They're
not practicing. So who who are doing well in these
moments Jimmy Butler and Haller Burton, guys that have done
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it before. Olympians.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I think that's part of the reason for these like
unprecedented level of choke jobs.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Sam, do you have it? Do you have a theory
on that?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I dan you you go ahead, I've got because it's
it does I don't know if it piggybacks, I don't
know if it rides shotgun to it, but I feel
I feel it's the officiating and and I feel that
there's a couple of different factors at work. I think
that Jason's right. In a normal regular season game, when
the Calves go up seven on the Pacers, the Pacers
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may just go down and they don't get a bucket.
It's game over. Let's run the shot clock down. Even
at seven points, They're not like, we are not going
to make a furious comeback. But it's different in the playoffs,
and I think that there is something to that. I
also feel the officiating because we've seen a lot of
turnovers on pressure last night, in other scenarios where I
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feel that we're seeing turnovers because guys are hesitant, I
don't think officials are making the foul calls in those scenarios.
And on the flip side of it, you know the
Halliburton three point play last night, there are a couple
of three point play opportunities we've seen throughout the playoffs.
We know NBA officials, they love to be up in
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the business and if there's a big play to be
able to call that basket and a foul, and I
feel that that has happened at times. I don't know
if all of these. I mean, Karl Anthony Towns got
mugged a few times in Boston in Game one, but
it wasn't in the clutch. It wasn't with seconds remaining,
or the knicks down four and maybe changing momentum, and
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you can call one, but they're they're calling them in
those situations, a touch foul, a late whistle, allowing the
games to be closer. And so when one side and
I'm not saying it's the pacers. I'm saying. It feels
like the team that's ahead isn't getting a whistle when
they're trying inbound, and the team that's behind is. I
think that that's why you've seen it, and I feel
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like I've seen it multiple times in these NBA playoffs,
not only in the first round, but also in a
couple of games here in the second round.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I agree with you guys in terms of it, and
this is like a it's a real thing in terms
like practice, right when you can't replicate, you can't replicate
the intensity of the NBA Playoffs. You can't replicate like
all all of these breakdowns and inbounds passes have been
when the team doesn't have a timeout and it's like
they've never played. It's like suddenly they've forgotten how to
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play basketball when you don't have a timeout to advance
the ball. I would also say, though, that there's just
some weird stuff. I mean, three two nights in a row,
a team up three, fowls up three and loses both
those games in regulation. Hard to do. It feels like
things that go bump of the night, Yet it happened.
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Why do I think it happens. I think Jason, you're
pretty much on it. It's that the attention to detail
is just not great in the regular season and it
matters so much. And comebacks are so normal in the
regular season. They shouldn't be in the postseason, but they are.
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I'll also tell you that it's the reason the twenty
four second shot clock is brilliant, because you look up
and you're like, well, this game's over, and you're like, no, Actually,
if you look at it, with two and a half minutes,
there's plenty of time, plenty of possessions. But again, some
of it's the NBA's rules, and some of it is
how these NBA teams use the rules, Like if you
have a ten point lead with two and a half
to go, like every shot you take, every shot you
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take should be as the shot clock expires, unless you're
unless you have a wide open layup or a wide
open three as the shot clock expires. Teams don't run
clock the way they can, even within twenty four second
shot clock. So I think it exposes some of the
lack of IQ of the players, the lack of intensity
of the regular season, and also the skill in the
shot making of NBA teams, and that you know, if
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it's two possessions, they can make it up really quick
with two shots. All of those threes that people hate
that they take, they love it when they take them
and make them in comebacks. What about you there, Sam?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think Sam passed.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I think the reason why I thought about this today
is because so during the transition between games last night,
when Stan Van Gundy's crew took over for the Pacers game,
he was asked this question, how do you account for this?
And his answer was something along the lines of the
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game has changed so much, so fast. Yeah, and all
the three pointers, and then he didn't expound on that.
I'm like, I need to hear the more, like what
does that mean exactly? Do you understand what he means?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, just you could make up points so much quicker,
and guys are so used to shooting it, you know,
they're not panic shots anymore. So Yeah, And I and
I think also with it comes this idea that you know, you're, okay, hey,
we can't give up a three, and so then somebody
shot fakes and they'll get wide open lamps, Like, wait,
you fought for forty six and a half minutes to
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not give up any buckets, and now you're just gonna
give up lamps. I do think the three point shot
changes how you guard, chase a space the floor, and
then offensively, there's just an ease to it, an understanding
of it where it's it's not like it's not a
miracle and guys get very confident shooting him. But it's true.
No lead is safe in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
None, well zero, it's and I'll say this about the Pacers.
I'll give Tyre's Halliburton credit that when he attacked the basket,
there were fifteen seconds left on the clocker. Neighborhood made
give or take, and he's still going for a two,
like you know in that scenario. Now he got fouled,
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so he had two shots because he didn't make the basket.
But there they didn't panic in essence of even if
Halliburton makes the two, and I don't think he I
don't think he purposely missed unless there was a postgame
again as my anniversary last night, so I didn't hear.
If he did purposely miss, it was a great miss
and the Cavs didn't have a lot of size on
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the floor aside from Jared Allen. Then I'll obviously worked
out to their advantage. But I felt like he went
to the basket and we're willing to then foul again
and do what they needed to do on the next
possession if it played out that way. But they didn't
panic in that scenario. They did it against the Bucks.
We saw the Bucks in their Game five just give
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it away with a couple of bad turnovers, and we
saw how frantic those situations were. We saw Oklahoma City.
You bring that scenario up and inbounding and how you
play that scenario and just getting the ball to the
right person or Chet Holmgren's case, the wrong person at
that time. Yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Remember we talked the other day about this and Dan
said that, like one of the reasons people like watching
college sports or college basketball is because it's flawed. And
I the point that I think I was trying to
make is that these games are not being one because
of great play. They're being one because of brain farts
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and gripping it too tight when it matters most. So
it's almost like you.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Don't think Halliburton that was that was a great play,
Like he gets the offensive rebound, Like, yeah, you can
absolutely point to the caves. Hey, you got a box
out in the miss free throw.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
He never gets to that play though, if the guy
imbounds the pass.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah it's fair, He's hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah. But again, I do think there's a there's a
skill in some of the shot making and then these
comebacks and you know, hacking Aaron Gordon, Yeah, chet Holgrin
choked two free throws. Aaron Gordon still made the three.
Otherwise there is no that doesn't matter. So you're right,
I'm not Again, this is not me saying it wrong.
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I do think that we have a tendency to I mean,
any of these great shots down the stretch, for the
most part, historically comes back from a miss free throw.
You know, it's like we think about this all the
time with how many times have we been watching playoff
baseball or or even regular season baseball and a late
inning comeback that ends in a home run. How does
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the rally usually start chase two a walk? Yes, it
almost always starts with a walk, right, And so when
if you're gonna do the post mortem on a great
comeback or a walk off home run, yeah, you can
mention the walk, But we do have a tendency to
focus on, like can you believe that guy hit a
walk off home run? And we don't point out the
negative of the walk Whereas here in basketball, instead of
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pointing out the Tyrese Haliburton shot which would be the
home run, or the Aaron Gordon shot, which would be
the home run, we point out the negative first. Hey,
plays really not that good when this is kind of
how it's always been. It's like Keith Smart's jump shot
on the baseline for Indiana to beat Syracuse in the
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nineteen eighty seven National Championship game. Dan, you and I
weren't old enough to truly remember it, but I'm guessing
you remember what preceded that jump shot.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh was it? Well, yeah, mister Syracuse knows. Was it
Derek Coleman. Was he at the line?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah? Yeah, Derek Coleman missed the front end of a
one in one and Keith Smart comes down. They pass around,
he shoots a fade or he sees a leaner on
the on the left face line, and wins the game.
No one goes back and says like, oh, Derek, some
people still think Derek Coleman choked, and he probably did.
At nineteen years old. But when we look back, we
look at the shot, not the myss that preceded. Yet
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here in the NBA we're focusing on, Hey, you didn't
box out, he didn't box out. I guess I'm sounding
like I'm defending it, but I'm really just trying to.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Tell the whole No, what you're saying is like, if
the mishap ends the game, then that's the takeaway. Bill
Buckner's mishap ended the game. Chris Weber's time out ended
the game, so there was no great shot or a
base hit after you know Buckner's play, But you're saying
that there was a game winning shot to be made
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and these guys stepped up and made it. So two
things could be true.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yes, yes, yes, I think that. I think these whistles
though they they really they want drama.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They do, yeah, but they always have. Man, the NBA
is this is I swear, And I'll also point this out,
like where has it been dramatic? Dan Byer? Yes, Okay,
are we fair to say that? I know it doesn't
have the ratings. I'm not saying it's as popular, but
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the NBA playoffs have been better than the NFL playoffs
to date this year, This year alone been unbelievable. The
watch is unreal, Like the Knicks come from twenty down
to beat the Celtics in Boston. This whole Pacers run
has been crazy, how they beat the Bucks in their
final game, the two wins here, especially this win last
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night Nick Pistons was an awesome watch, super super competitive.
So the point is that you want to talk about
these two things can be true, Jay stew And you're right.
NBA basketball, like Major League Baseball, I think is actually
better that it's been. Just reputation wise, the numbers don't
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reflect as much, don't reflect as much.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't know if it fits in our window. But
Shay Giles Alexander made his free throws, chet Holmgrin did not.
Tyre's Halliburton's been making these clutch shots for the Pacers.
Jalen Brunson's been magnificent. I think also in certain spots
when we're looking at this of last night, I think
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was it Max Strews who made the inbounds pass with
the bad pass? Just getting your ball to the to
the guy that needs to have the ball, yeah, is
half the battle, and for some reason teams can't figure
it out, you know, Cleveland, after the Pacers cut it
to three, use their final time out and then advance
the ball, and they still couldn't inbound it. And I
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don't know if that's on Kenny Atkinson. I don't know
if it's on Donovan Mitchell. I don't know if it's
on the injuries that other guys aren't in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Nah, you know, but it's it's it's really on the inboundter.
You gotta get that ball bounce, so you gotta get
the bone mounts rule number one. And for any play,
any play you run in basketball, the most important aspect
of an OBI play a sideline bounds is a slob
sideline out of bounds. Rule number one. Get the ball
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(27:31):
As I told you without any actual knowledge. The Steelers
did what the Steelers always do when they traded away
George Pickens. We'll talk about that in about twenty minutes.
And guess who's trying to clean up college sports? Yes,
always a fascinating thing to watch people try and clean
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second time in a row over the Celtics. We'll talk Warriors,
(28:12):
Wolves and make our predictions for tonight plus like what
it No series that's tied at one has felt more
over than the thunder Nuggets series, but for whatever reason,
it felt over last night, even though now you gotta
go to Denver playing out two against a team that
has one NBA title with with those guys starting in
NBA in NBA Finals, So we got some hoops to
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get to. But it's a Thursday, which means it's don't
call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
All right? Yeah, Tires Show is a Jason Stewart production,
but this segment specifically is a j stew production. Jay,
what is the year? We're not throwing it back to?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Thank you? Dougle to take it from here. Uh, just
a clarification here. Dan Bayer came up with the concept.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I came up, I love and then I followed through on.
So it was like Dan wrote the book and then
I was a director who came in and just did
a creative change of some of the plot lines.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Dan, what was what? What did he change that you
from your original plan?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I had just a concept of looking back at, uh,
the sports stuff that happened that year and in the
world of sports. I think Jason's added some of the
pop culture stuff to it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Right, Because, as I always do when I intro this,
I usually say at Jason's heart, he'd like to be
like am rack or no FM rack DJ. Guys just
like everybody has that one job that they never did
but they'd be really good at and they still kind
of want to do, right, like college basketball coach or
something like that, right, or morning FM DJ in early
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two thousands, right, those guys were making gigantic sums of
money doing all that stuff. Right, Buyer yours is what
Pga Golfer or er Lundquist up on the tower above
the masters, what's like the what's the like? The I
should always have?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What's the what that you should always have.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The job that you kind of always sort of wanted, Yeah,
and just never really pursued.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, Yeah, that would be that's yes, that would be
up there to be assigned. Sam, do you have one
a whole at Augusta National?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Nice?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, I always I always loved Indian Jones want to
be an archaeologist. But let me add this. I actually
caught a little glimpse of Jason's morning this morning. He
practices in his free time on radio delivery.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
What's the year, Jay Stu?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I want the listeners to all go back to two
thousand and two. I want us to go back to
two thousands.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
This is easy. The Angels won the World Series. Forget
everything else. Literally since then, it's been all They did it.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
They really did it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
They won the World Series. They beat Barry Bonds and
the San Francisco Giants in Game seven at the Big A.
I don't I'd like that, Mamba out. The Angels won
the World Series in two thousand and two. Troy Percival.
By the way, that was during the juicer years, right,
and obviously Barry Bonds was the king of all the juicers.
(31:37):
But I'm not gonna name names. I know a couple
guys around that team. That team was so full of
juice they might as well have worked for a minute.
Made okay it was free.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Hey huh huh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I'll be here all week.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's my member is two thousand and two. Mamba Out.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
In two thousand and two, on this day into the
three years ago today, Allen Iverson created the greatest SoundBite
in the history of sports practice.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
We sitting in here, I supposed to be the franchise player,
and were in here talking about practice.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean listen.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
We're talking about practice, not a game, not a game.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Not a game.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
We're talking about practice, not a game, not the game
that I go out there and die for and play
every game like it's my last. Not the game. We're
talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? Man,
We're talking about practice. I know it's important I do,
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I honestly do. But we're talking about practice. Man, What
are we talking about practice? We're talking about practice, man,
We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We ain't
talking about the game. We're talking about practice.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Man.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
When you coming in arena and you see me play,
you see me play, don't you?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Absolutely you see me give everything I got right?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Absolutely well, were talking about pragnice right now.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Just a complete disregard for how a leader should represent
a team. And then it was twenty three years ago too,
when they lost in the first round of the NBA
Playoffs to the Celtics, a short year after going to
the finals and losing to the Lakers, which, by the way,
the Lakers finished off their three peat weeks later by
(33:32):
beating the Nets in the NBA Finals. Lakers and Anaheim
are champions so far in the segment. They have one
thing in common, the five Freeway.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I feel that that was also the start of this
like four or five year pit of the NBA where
it was the Pistons and the Spurs, and even though
the Lakers made it to the finals and four, it
wasn't like the normal Lakers team because it was Karl
Malone and it was just there just wasn't great basketball
during that time. And I don't know if Lebron losing
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in seven was a breakout or the eight finals, but
I felt when the Nets went to back to back
NBA finals, it was kind of the start of this
pit in the NBA. I don't know if you guys
felt the same way, but.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I felt that's why they was terrible. That's why they
changed the rules right, because it was really hard to watch,
really really hard to watch. Sam two thousand and two.
What memory comes to your mind?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Well, Dan and I can team up on this one.
Iowa and Ohio State both went undefeated in the Big Ten. Iowa,
though suffered a home loss at home to Iowa State,
a game there they led, I mean, twenty four to seven.
So by a year's end, Iowa had the blemish of
an eleven to one record, and the Ohio State Buckeyes
with Krenzel and many many other people at DAN take
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that away. But the luck Eyes as they were known,
went off to win the national Championship IOWA with Brad
Banks second in the Heisman to Carson Palmer, and they
got smoked in the Orange Bowl against the USC Trojans.
But heck of a year for Kirk ference winning co
championship of the Big Ten with the.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Buckeyes magical season, and the Buckeyes did have a luck
go their way many many times all the way to
the end in that championship game, but there was a
game against Cincinnati that they could have lost earlier in
the season, game against Illinois, a game against Michigan, tight
games against Wisconsin. I was at the Holy Buckeye Miracle
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game in West Lafayette when on a fourth down and
two just past midfield, Craig Crenzel hit Michael Jenkins for
a touchdown to win a barn burner of a game
ten to six. That was nuts. It was a crazy season,
and for all of the heartbreak as an Ohio State
fan that I've had had throughout my previous years, I
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was just waiting for the bottom to fall out and
for the other shoe to drop, and it never did.
And it was when they beat Michigan that year. First
time I ever got teary eyed with one of my teams.
I didn't even cry when they beat Miami in the
National Championship game because it was kind of surprising and
as crazy as it was, but I was so ready
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and Michigan had a chance. They had four shots in
the end zone at the end, John Navarre threw one
up at the end and it was it ended up
being picked off, and then Ohio Stay went to the
Fiesta Bowl. But winning that game and not having Michigan
ruin ruin what was a magical season. It was something
that I was unfamiliar with that actually became for Clympt
when it when it happened, I'm kidding for Clempt. I'm
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getting a Clympt talk amongst yourselves. Two thousand and two
football season, I've got two thousand. There was a jam
packed year because also we just did nicknames. If we
would have done Hated Nick, I would have done Houston
Texans because it just I can't stand it. It's so easy.
It was a groan on you and all though you know,
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because it was also the name of a previous team
there were the Dallas Texans, so it's not even original
to them, and so it annoyed me. But it was
also the year that the Seahawks moved back to the
NFC after having so many years in the AFC. They
started out in nineteen seventy six in the NFC, which
I wasn't born, I don't remember, but they moved to
the NFC in two thousand and two, and that was
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that was that was different, That was very, very different.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Two thousand and two in movies, gave us the first
of the Spider Man series, right, I believe that was
the year the Tube maguire played Spider Man. William Dafoe
was the bad guy, Kristen Duntz was the was the
love interest. It also gave us.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
I was a good Spider Man. I liked him as
Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Willem Dafoe is just such a good actor. He was
the green Goblin and that face of his very menacing face.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Uh m night. Shamalan gave us signs.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Probably arguably possibly his last great horror film. I don't
know if he's done really anything good since then because
I think previous to Signs, he did the sixth sense.
He did like What is Unbreakable with Bruce Lee, Bruce
Willis and Samuel Jackson. But since Science it's been kind
of mostly missed. Signs is a is a fantastic alien
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horror movie because they don't show you the alien very
much until the end.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Well, don't give it away because it's always.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Now it is about it is about aliens. So crop circles.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
That was the first Born identity as well.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Right, great franchise.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It was great franchise, But I grew up. I think
I told you guys that I wasn't a great reader
growing up, and so my dad had me go back
and forteen sports novels and regular novels. But one of
the book series that he gave me that I love
was Born, the Born series.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Robert.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, he was a big lovelum guy. So book was
better and it gave us my big fat Greek wedding,
which is great because could you make my big fat
Greek wedding now, because it's like Greeks making fun of
Greek culture.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Right, Doug, I mean your favorite dish and your favorite
drop make I love lamblam.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Yes, Greek lamb zero.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Very good and one of the great. Oh god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Going no, go ahead because I'm about to take a
left turn with you, Doug.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, So, and then when you grew up with I
didn't have kids at the time, okay, but it became
a movie that we showed our kids. My kids were
born for six and nine Ice Age? Did anybody love?
Fidnasloth Right? Ice Age was good? Became a good series.
I s H two was okay. After that, I don't
know what happened, but Ray Romano played a mammoth. John
(40:14):
Leguizamo played said the sloth. Dennis Learly played the What
kind of cat was that? I forget a savor to Tiger?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Right?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, that's a heck of a line up right there.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I mean, go ahead, dar Dan.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What a year it was in golf two thousand and two.
Tiger Woods at the top of his game when the
first two majors of the year, claiming the Masters, and
then the two thousand and two US Open at Bethpage
black outdueling Phil Mickelson at the end as they were
just a group of parts, but Tiger held on for
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the win of the at that time second major of
the year, and he had hopes Doug of completing the
career Grands or the season Grand Slam. Excuse me until
the third round of the Open Championship at Mirfield, when
this horrible weather cell came through smack dab during Tiger's
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third round, shot eighty one, worst professional round in a
major that he had shot in just awful weather. In
the end, Ernie Els won a four person playoff in
claiming at that time his third major championship and first
Claret Jog. He would win another a decade later, But
Tiger had an opportunity to go three for four, but
(41:32):
was outdualed that Hazel team by Rich Beam, who edged
Tiger by one shot. Tiger magnificent on that Sunday, shooting
a final round sixty seven, but was not enough to
catch Beam, who was one shot better. But two thousand
and two was a big year for Tiger Woods as
he was trying to chase the in season Grand Slam
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got fifty percent of it. Who knows what could have
happened if that weather cell on that Saturday Mierfield did
not come through.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I'm guessing as you are watching Rich Beam win that
tournament Dan you were, you had this CD in your car.
We all did sounded something.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like this, Yes, because it was August, it was super warm,
super hot.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
This is the artist Nelly off the album Nellyville, his
second album. This top to charge for six weeks that summer.
I personally, I know this song was the more popular,
but I preferred Dilemma. The duet with Kelly Rowland on
that album just takes me right back to two thousand
and two as a single man on the prawl, because
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we all face a dilemma when we're with the ladies
and you guys all know what I mean, get up.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Up out the dance flow. Mm hm hmmm. Uh. Nelly's
lived an interesting career, right, doesn't he have that that
that house in Saint Louis that's like all run down.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Abandoned, right?
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (43:12):
Yes, how about this banger from two thousand and two.
It's pretty much the opposite of a banger. I don't
know they use it.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
In a course light commercial right now.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
I think that's what it is in an ironic way.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yes, they got a wedding. It's very good.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I think some new generations use banger for just hit song.
When I think banger I just say.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
You think that's not a bang? So, yeah, I'm with you.
I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Wasn't that the year of Toby Keith courtesy the Red,
White and Blue? Was did that come out that year?
And oh two right, I believe it did. And at
the time it was like sort of controversial because it
was like, we'll put a bootender ass it's the American way, right,
And now it's like now like everybody loves it. Of course,
(44:10):
Toby sadly passed away last year cancer. But yeah, that
was that was when we were at war. That was
what Second Golf was? That Second Golf War was that
Iraq War.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Well, remember we had just experienced nine to eleven and
we went hunting for the people that did it and
every place that wasn't the place they did it. Remember
Saudi Arabians were on the planes. Never went into Saudi Arabia,
but we went into Afghanistan and we went into Iraq.
WMD's Oh don't get me started on that. I will
(44:47):
say this. A show started that year that changed the paradigm. Oh,
American Idol launched. Kelly Clarkson's season of American Eye just
changed the way television was done. How many talent related
reality shows spawned from that. I know Survivor had already
(45:10):
been out, but that was kind of a different genre
of reality. This was talent. I'm gonna vote you off
and I'm gonna have a judge that talks a lot
of crap, that is insensitive, that is a bit blunt,
but it's gonna get some great ratings.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Saw him and Cowell Simon Scowl.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Have you seen him recently though, Like he looks like
a completely different person.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah. I saw him one day about probably decade ago,
maybe even a little more, by the Whole Foods, by
us driving with a top down and this like classic
card wanting everybody to know that he was Simon Cowl. Yes,
he's what shows you on now? Is it? Americans Got Talent?
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Got talent?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
I always liked him.
Speaker 6 (45:52):
I mean he he got you know, people were like, oh,
he played the villain, but he always gave people the
straight truth. He was always honest with people. Sure, and
I think he's I'm beloved for it now. I mean
he's Simon Cowell. Take him as well.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
There is one person that didn't, but we don't remember
from from two thousand and two American Idol, right, like
everybody Seacrest. That's when Seacrest became kind of a household name.
But wasn't there another There was two hosts, right, there
was Matt Jordan, Brian dun Brian Dunkleman. That's right, Brian Dunkleman.
(46:26):
Whatever happened to Brian Dunkleman?
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Great question.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I think that's that's perfectly stated as it is.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
So what like what happened? Did they just like cut
costs with secrets so much better? Did he ask for
too much money for a year two? I would love
to know what really happened.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm not sure. Maybe Sam can fill us in.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Can you imagine though, that you were on American Idol,
you were a co host, the thing went for like
it's still going and like you didn't make it to
season two?
Speaker 5 (47:01):
It's tough Sam.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It looks like he's had like sporadic TV jobs and
uh and the UK His last Wikipedia thing of notice
that he started a podcast. So he's one of the
few guys that started a podcast in recent years.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I uh, he said, he said, he stated his departure.
They get this from Wikipedia, so who knows his departure
was due to a terrible way they treated the young contestants,
and the show staging fights between the judges and reshooting
contestants with provide tears in their eyes. Oh so you
didn't like the most successful reality show in the history
of the of the brand. Huh, all right? He recently
(47:42):
he has said that it was a mistake. You think, Uh,
what's what's the Weasonly young guy who works for Montgomery
Burns in Simpson's.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Yes, Smithers.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Smithers yea, Hey, listen, Smithers stuck with the with the
power plant. He's He's probably happier because of it.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I have to mention this because I don't know. I
think that Jason knows this story. I would love this story, Doug.
I think that you know it, and I actually think
that Sam knows it. Two thousand and two college basketball season,
Maryland cuts down the nets right, they beat Indiana in
the championship game in Atlanta. Juan Dixon correct. And the
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story behind Jan Dixon was that both of his parents
had passed away when he was younger. Two aides. And
then we come to find out, and I saw this
on Real Sports that the person who passed away was
not Jan Dixon's real father, and he did not know
(48:44):
that he had a biological father that was still alive.
They reconnected. But for that story, like to that point
of Jan Dixon, he would say, oh, Maryland, Gary Williams
wins Jan Dixon, the star of that team. Wan Dixon's
parents died. And then I remember watching that Real Sports
and it was I think it was uncovered by a
writer from the Baltimore Sun that discovered this. But yeah,
(49:06):
Wan Dixon's real dad was still alive. Happy enough, Wow, yeah,
crazy they reconnected and but two thousand and two Marylynd
cut down the nets.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
It kind of reminds me of that. You guys know
the Jack Nicholson story. No, when he was forty years old.
He got a phone call from a magazine when he
was forty and they said, we're doing an article and
we want to get your thoughts on this woman. Well,
Jack Nicholson's what he thought was his sister was actually
(49:39):
his mother, and he was raised by his grandmother who
had him believing the entire time that she was his mother.
Imagine getting that news at forty years old and you're
Jack Nicholson, one of the most famous people in the world.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
So that would have been like late seventies, early eighties,
because he's why I think eighty eighty eight now or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I honestly once when you said that, when you started
with the story, I was like, he got a phone calls,
Like he's got some kid, he's got a couple of kids,
you know, when he was hanging out with Magic Johnson
in the eighties. That's what That's where I thought you
were going with it. I'm not gonna lie anything else
great happened in two thousand and two. No, I'm sure
(50:24):
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It's a beautiful day in Green Bay, Wisconsin. I think
it's beautiful out there in southern California as well, coast
to coast, and we're in the Midwest, the flyover region.
We're with you for the next couple of hours. Plus
we have our podcast, which drop after the show. This
is the DG Show. Mark Dominic joins us twenty five
after the hour, we have our preview of Nick's Celtics
(00:47):
Game three. All right, Mark Stein's gonna join us. We'll
talk to more NBA playoffs. A lot to get to.
Happy Friday, Happy Friday, Happy Friday. The t Wolves beat
the Warriors, and they did a good job for the
most part. There's one run in the third quarter where
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the Warriors got it close, but for the most part,
they kept the Warriors at arms distance, and they tied
the series up at one apiece. No Steph Curry not
expected to play in Game three either, and Draymond Green
gets a technical so he's two texts short of receiving
an automatic one game suspension. And then after the game,
(01:28):
Draymon well, he went full as Raymond.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
It looked like the angry black man. I'm not an
angry black man.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm a very.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Successful, educated black man with a great family, and I'm
great at basketball.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm great at what I do.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
To get the a gender.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
To try to keep making me look like an angry
black man is crazy. I'm sick of it. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
Okay, So they're trying to make him look like an
angry black man. I mean, here's the guy who's led
the NBA in technical fouls, a guy who punched his
own teammate and negatively impacted the trajectory of that version
of the Golden State Warriors. Like this is who Draymond
Green is. And yeah, I don't know how he is?
(02:12):
He black? Yes? Did he look angry? Sure? Is he?
Then the angry black man? We all know that that's
a different sort of portrayal. And the idea is, you know,
you're making somebody defensive, and then you're like, why are
you being so defensive? Like, well, because I have to
defend myself, and then you crank it up. But Draymond
(02:35):
turning himself into a victim is Yeah, it's I mean,
that's uh, that's odd to see if that actually passes
anybody's stiff test. Do any of you guys think that
Draymond is the victim in this in this particular situation.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm I'm I don't no, not at all.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, it's a weird thing, Dan, And I feel like,
are we giving him oxygen that he doesn't need for
this particular part of the comment?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Right, I mean, like this show, are you talking about media?
Are you talking about like of giving that oxygen?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I just say, in the whole Angry black Man comment
from this show's perspective, are we giving an oxygen when
like that that's just taking us a field from the
actual play, from the suspension, from the antics, from everything else.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think that the comment is absurd, so just in
by itself that it should be left alone. But I
also think that Draymond, I think there's there's some sort
of angle here. Again it's another daring of the of
the referees, of the officials. I think that that comes
into play. I don't know if he's trying to garner
(03:57):
any sort of you know, empathy, or anything from from
a fan base that may not of otherwise cheerful. I
have no idea. I don't know if he's trying to
garner support from the home crowd, trying to think that
he's the one that's being wronged. I think all of
those could be in play. I just don't think that
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what he claims is happening is actually happening.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
But no one does, Yeah, no one does. On the
other hand, there's a little bit of I said this
before about about Lebron where we can and others do
this as well, where they copy the Trump idea. If
you don't follow what Lebron is saying, you don't agree
with what he's saying, one, then you're out right, which
(04:43):
is what Donald Trump has done. This is a little
bit Trumpian as well, where you're like, no, no, I'm
the victim here. Everybody else is wrong me. You put
me in a position to look like something that I'm
not like one, No one brought up the old idea
of an angry black man previously. And secondly, like, yeah,
(05:06):
I mean the most of the league, the American born
players are black. So if anybody gets angry, technically, if
you want to get down to it, I know that's
not what he means by angry black man, but you'll
look like an angry black man or an angry man
who happens to be black. And then you're the one
who's constantly getting thrown out of games. You're the one
who's constantly getting into a fray because you're the one
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who's constantly you know, hitting guys across the head or
kicking guys in the nuts, like those are the things
that you're doing. And there's just no acceptance of it,
despite the fact that he is right, he is well educated,
does have a good family, none of that, all that
can be true. But this is like an every year
thing with him. Sure, and the part that I've said
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this before, but this is the perfect example of it.
You know, us pointing out that he appears angry, he's
he can label you as a racist. And when you're
labeled a racist, especially when you're not and I know
you are not, and I know I am not. It's like,
what am I supposed to do to prove that I'm
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not a racist? But still point out your bs? Right?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Sure? So this is this is the interesting part of
it is I don't think he's talking. I don't know
who he's talking to because I don't know if he's
talking to Like in this case last night, Tony Brothers
was part of the officiating crew, which, by the way,
I feel like Tony Brothers has officiated every single Playoff
game this year, like it. Every time I'm on TV.
(06:40):
I think I saw Zach Zarbel once, but otherwise I
think I see Tony Brothers every single game. So I
don't know if Draymond is saying not an in a
racial way of white against black, but saying to Tony Brothers,
who is one of the three officials last night.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
And for people don't know if Tony Brothers is black, Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You keep doing this to me and you're the one,
as a black man that's making me look like an
angry black man because.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Every well could be true, but he doesn't. He doesn't specify,
So it's left us feel like, is he point out
the media, Is he talking about the crowd in Minnesota.
Is he talking about the officials? Is he pointing out
the league?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
And I think he's smart enough to know that everyone
will take notice of his comments and react in some way.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Which is what we're doing. Sure, this is the part
about giving an oxygen that I.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Mean, yeah, absolutely, And the officiating like will you will
you react in a way where you will either change
give him more leeway or will you do the opposite?
And I think that he's betting that maybe he will
get more more leeway. He was yelling at some of
and I don't know if he was yelling at Nazrid yesterday,
because there's no doubt that he hit nas Read. There's
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no doubt that he hit Fred van Vliet in Game
seven on Sunday night. Like those on those follow through actions,
those are absolutely deliberate.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
And and it's Draymond one oh one, yes, right, it's
literally Draymond one on one. That's what he does. That's
what he does. So I it's he does so many
things on the basketball floor which are amazing. But there's
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a way and and there is a necessary evil too,
And might say evil, I don't mean like real evil,
but in terms of basketball evil there's a necessary evil
to having a guy who's not afraid to be a
little bit of a cheap shot or not afraid. You
need a couple of guys that are crazy. You can't
have too many, but you need a couple of guys
otherwise you just get punked, You just get pushed around.
(08:47):
If you have too many nice guys, it doesn't work.
If you have too many guys that are nasty, sometimes
that doesn't work. So he the whole thing works together.
But when you're right on that line of except and
unacceptable behavior, don't be surprised when some people take it
as unacceptable. He just doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
And I think he's thinking he doesn't get the benefit
(09:08):
of the doubt, you know, because they're trying to trigger him.
I don't think that's not what it is. It's dude,
you lost the benefit of the doubt years ago when
you were constantly, you know, calling out officials, making a
mockery of them and causing yourself to get technical fouls
and you get you suspended Previously.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I think he lost the benefit of the doubt in
the twenty sixteen finals. I think that that was the
that was the line with the crotch shot the suspension.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Remember he had a bunch of different kicks into the
crotch Yeah that were supposedly inadvertent leading up to that.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So it's been nine years and now's the time that
he's had enough.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
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Speaker 1 (10:00):
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has been going on for quite a minute. We've worked
together for parts of eight years now, eight years, eight
and a half years. Dan and I have Jace two
and I have known each other forever. We've been working
together at two and a half years. Jase two is
that right? It's my name.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
We're coming up on four, coming up on.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Four, Like I said, coming up on four, years and
sam our more recent addition to it. So what we've
what we've done or decided to do we enjoyed doing.
Is on Wednesdays, which is the middle of the week
at one on the West, which is the middle of
our show. Granted we have an hour podcast which goes
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live at the end of this show. Uh, middle of
the week, middle of the show, kind of the middle
of your day. It's kind of the middle of our thoughts.
That's why we get to the midway. It's not getting
the middle here.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
It's time for.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Okay, for midway topics today. By the way, I knew
what I want to talk about, Dan, It was Gabe Davis,
just like you want to talk about a guy who
had he had such a good year with the Bills
and he goes to the Jags and that clearly did
not work. One and done. There.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, new coach, new regime. Youve got Travis Hunter now
there to go along with Brian Thomas. So yeah, sometimes
it just doesn't work out.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Just to sometimes it doesn't work out. Okay, do you
guys have a theory on why there have been so
many comebacks here, especially in the NBA playoffs? You want
Some are choke jobs, some are just old fashioned comebacks.
Some are a little bit in the middle, Like, what's
(12:03):
a working theory that you have?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I have one more.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Hypotheses, right, because the theory is one that's proven. Go ahead, Dan,
go ahead, Jason.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
So you know, we talk about all the time the
NBA's effort to try to get players engaged during the
regular season. We got the NBA Cup, we got the
All Star Shenanigans, and then we got this stupid play
in tournament. All is an effort to get interest from
the players to play harder. They mask it as a
(12:32):
gift to the fans, but it's actually a way to
get the players to play harder, to be engaged, to
be competitive. Well, what happens when you have an unengaged
set of young players that aren't competitive during the regular
season and then they get into these ball the butt
squinching moments in a playoff game when it really matters.
(12:54):
The guy that I don't know the name of, Dan
will know, You'll know whoever threw the inbounds pass to
the pacer last night. That was the end of the game.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Again. That was again we just talked about it.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Did it?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Did it again?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Like two nights ago, what happened at the end of
the game with with with home grin. That's a choke.
These guys are not in moments like this at all ever,
and they're not engaged. The regular season doesn't matter. They're
not practicing. So who who are doing well in these
moments Jimmy Butler and Haller Burton, guys that have done
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it before. Olympians.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I think that's part of the reason for these like
unprecedented level of choke jobs.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Sam, do you have it? Do you have a theory
on that?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I dan you you go ahead, I've got because it's
it does I don't know if it piggybacks, I don't
know if it rides shotgun to it, but I feel
I feel it's the officiating and and I feel that
there's a couple of different factors at work. I think
that Jason's right. In a normal regular season game, when
the Calves go up seven on the Pacers, the Pacers
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may just go down and they don't get a bucket.
It's game over. Let's run the shot clock down. Even
at seven points, They're not like, we are not going
to make a furious comeback. But it's different in the playoffs,
and I think that there is something to that. I
also feel the officiating because we've seen a lot of
turnovers on pressure last night, in other scenarios where I
(14:31):
feel that we're seeing turnovers because guys are hesitant, I
don't think officials are making the foul calls in those scenarios.
And on the flip side of it, you know the
Halliburton three point play last night, there are a couple
of three point play opportunities we've seen throughout the playoffs.
We know NBA officials, they love to be up in
(14:54):
the business and if there's a big play to be
able to call that basket and a foul, and I
feel that that has happened at times. I don't know
if all of these. I mean, Karl Anthony Towns got
mugged a few times in Boston in Game one, but
it wasn't in the clutch. It wasn't with seconds remaining,
or the knicks down four and maybe changing momentum, and
(15:16):
you can call one, but they're they're calling them in
those situations, a touch foul, a late whistle, allowing the
games to be closer. And so when one side and
I'm not saying it's the pacers. I'm saying. It feels
like the team that's ahead isn't getting a whistle when
they're trying inbound, and the team that's behind is. I
think that that's why you've seen it, and I feel
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like I've seen it multiple times in these NBA playoffs,
not only in the first round, but also in a
couple of games here in the second round.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I agree with you guys in terms of it, and
this is like a it's a real thing in terms
like practice, right when you can't replicate, you can't replicate
the intensity of the NBA Playoffs. You can't replicate like
all all of these breakdowns and inbounds passes have been
when the team doesn't have a timeout and it's like
they've never played. It's like suddenly they've forgotten how to
(16:06):
play basketball when you don't have a timeout to advance
the ball. I would also say, though, that there's just
some weird stuff. I mean, three two nights in a row,
a team up three, fowls up three and loses both
those games in regulation. Hard to do. It feels like
things that go bump of the night, Yet it happened.
(16:28):
Why do I think it happens. I think Jason, you're
pretty much on it. It's that the attention to detail
is just not great in the regular season and it
matters so much. And comebacks are so normal in the
regular season. They shouldn't be in the postseason, but they are.
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I'll also tell you that it's the reason the twenty
four second shot clock is brilliant, because you look up
and you're like, well, this game's over, and you're like, no, Actually,
if you look at it, with two and a half minutes,
there's plenty of time, plenty of possessions. But again, some
of it's the NBA's rules, and some of it is
how these NBA teams use the rules, Like if you
have a ten point lead with two and a half
to go, like every shot you take, every shot you
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take should be as the shot clock expires, unless you're
unless you have a wide open layup or a wide
open three as the shot clock expires. Teams don't run
clock the way they can, even within twenty four second
shot clock. So I think it exposes some of the
lack of IQ of the players, the lack of intensity
of the regular season, and also the skill in the
shot making of NBA teams, and that you know, if
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it's two possessions, they can make it up really quick
with two shots. All of those threes that people hate
that they take, they love it when they take them
and make them in comebacks. What about you there, Sam?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I think Sam passed.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
I think the reason why I thought about this today
is because so during the transition between games last night,
when Stan Van Gundy's crew took over for the Pacers game,
he was asked this question, how do you account for this?
And his answer was something along the lines of the
(18:15):
game has changed so much, so fast. Yeah, and all
the three pointers, and then he didn't expound on that.
I'm like, I need to hear the more, like what
does that mean exactly? Do you understand what he means?
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, just you could make up points so much quicker,
and guys are so used to shooting it, you know,
they're not panic shots anymore. So Yeah, And I and
I think also with it comes this idea that you know, you're, okay, hey,
we can't give up a three, and so then somebody
shot fakes and they'll get wide open lamps, Like, wait,
you fought for forty six and a half minutes to
(18:53):
not give up any buckets, and now you're just gonna
give up lamps. I do think the three point shot
changes how you guard, chase a space the floor, and
then offensively, there's just an ease to it, an understanding
of it where it's it's not like it's not a
miracle and guys get very confident shooting him. But it's true.
No lead is safe in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
None, well zero, it's and I'll say this about the Pacers.
I'll give Tyre's Halliburton credit that when he attacked the basket,
there were fifteen seconds left on the clocker. Neighborhood made
give or take, and he's still going for a two,
like you know in that scenario. Now he got fouled,
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so he had two shots because he didn't make the basket.
But there they didn't panic in essence of even if
Halliburton makes the two, and I don't think he I
don't think he purposely missed unless there was a postgame
again as my anniversary last night, so I didn't hear.
If he did purposely miss, it was a great miss
and the Cavs didn't have a lot of size on
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the floor aside from Jared Allen. Then I'll obviously worked
out to their advantage. But I felt like he went
to the basket and we're willing to then foul again
and do what they needed to do on the next
possession if it played out that way. But they didn't
panic in that scenario. They did it against the Bucks.
We saw the Bucks in their Game five just give
(20:18):
it away with a couple of bad turnovers, and we
saw how frantic those situations were. We saw Oklahoma City.
You bring that scenario up and inbounding and how you
play that scenario and just getting the ball to the
right person or Chet Holmgren's case, the wrong person at
that time. Yeah, a lot of that.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Remember we talked the other day about this and Dan
said that, like one of the reasons people like watching
college sports or college basketball is because it's flawed. And
I the point that I think I was trying to
make is that these games are not being one because
of great play. They're being one because of brain farts
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and gripping it too tight when it matters most. So
it's almost like you.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Don't think Halliburton that was that was a great play,
Like he gets the offensive rebound, Like, yeah, you can
absolutely point to the caves. Hey, you got a box
out in the miss free throw.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
He never gets to that play though, if the guy
imbounds the pass.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah it's fair, He's hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah. But again, I do think there's a there's a
skill in some of the shot making and then these
comebacks and you know, hacking Aaron Gordon, Yeah, chet Holgrin
choked two free throws. Aaron Gordon still made the three.
Otherwise there is no that doesn't matter. So you're right,
I'm not Again, this is not me saying it wrong.
(21:48):
I do think that we have a tendency to I mean,
any of these great shots down the stretch, for the
most part, historically comes back from a miss free throw.
You know, it's like we think about this all the
time with how many times have we been watching playoff
baseball or or even regular season baseball and a late
inning comeback that ends in a home run. How does
(22:11):
the rally usually start chase two a walk? Yes, it
almost always starts with a walk, right, And so when
if you're gonna do the post mortem on a great
comeback or a walk off home run, yeah, you can
mention the walk, But we do have a tendency to
focus on, like can you believe that guy hit a
walk off home run? And we don't point out the
negative of the walk Whereas here in basketball, instead of
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pointing out the Tyrese Haliburton shot which would be the
home run, or the Aaron Gordon shot, which would be
the home run, we point out the negative first. Hey,
plays really not that good when this is kind of
how it's always been. It's like Keith Smart's jump shot
on the baseline for Indiana to beat Syracuse in the
(22:55):
nineteen eighty seven National Championship game. Dan, you and I
weren't old enough to truly remember it, but I'm guessing
you remember what preceded that jump shot.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh was it? Well, yeah, mister Syracuse knows. Was it
Derek Coleman. Was he at the line?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah? Yeah, Derek Coleman missed the front end of a
one in one and Keith Smart comes down. They pass around,
he shoots a fade or he sees a leaner on
the on the left face line, and wins the game.
No one goes back and says like, oh, Derek, some
people still think Derek Coleman choked, and he probably did.
At nineteen years old. But when we look back, we
look at the shot, not the myss that preceded. Yet
(23:37):
here in the NBA we're focusing on, Hey, you didn't
box out, he didn't box out. I guess I'm sounding
like I'm defending it, but I'm really just trying to.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Tell the whole No, what you're saying is like, if
the mishap ends the game, then that's the takeaway. Bill
Buckner's mishap ended the game. Chris Weber's time out ended
the game, so there was no great shot or a
base hit after you know Buckner's play, But you're saying
that there was a game winning shot to be made
(24:07):
and these guys stepped up and made it. So two
things could be true.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yes, yes, yes, I think that. I think these whistles
though they they really they want drama.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
They do, yeah, but they always have. Man, the NBA
is this is I swear, And I'll also point this out,
like where has it been dramatic? Dan Byer? Yes, Okay,
are we fair to say that? I know it doesn't
have the ratings. I'm not saying it's as popular, but
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the NBA playoffs have been better than the NFL playoffs
to date this year, This year alone been unbelievable. The
watch is unreal, Like the Knicks come from twenty down
to beat the Celtics in Boston. This whole Pacers run
has been crazy, how they beat the Bucks in their
final game, the two wins here, especially this win last
(25:04):
night Nick Pistons was an awesome watch, super super competitive.
So the point is that you want to talk about
these two things can be true, Jay stew And you're right.
NBA basketball, like Major League Baseball, I think is actually
better that it's been. Just reputation wise, the numbers don't
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reflect as much, don't reflect as much.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
I don't know if it fits in our window. But
Shay Giles Alexander made his free throws, chet Holmgrin did not.
Tyre's Halliburton's been making these clutch shots for the Pacers.
Jalen Brunson's been magnificent. I think also in certain spots
when we're looking at this of last night, I think
(25:53):
was it Max Strews who made the inbounds pass with
the bad pass? Just getting your ball to the to
the guy that needs to have the ball, yeah, is
half the battle, and for some reason teams can't figure
it out, you know, Cleveland, after the Pacers cut it
to three, use their final time out and then advance
the ball, and they still couldn't inbound it. And I
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don't know if that's on Kenny Atkinson. I don't know
if it's on Donovan Mitchell. I don't know if it's
on the injuries that other guys aren't in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Nah, you know, but it's it's it's really on the inboundter.
You gotta get that ball bounce, so you gotta get
the bone mounts rule number one. And for any play,
any play you run in basketball, the most important aspect
of an OBI play a sideline bounds is a slob
sideline out of bounds. Rule number one. Get the ball
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Wolves and make our predictions for tonight plus like what
it No series that's tied at one has felt more
over than the thunder Nuggets series, but for whatever reason,
it felt over last night, even though now you gotta
go to Denver playing out two against a team that
has one NBA title with with those guys starting in
NBA in NBA Finals, So we got some hoops to
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get to. But it's a Thursday, which means it's don't
call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
All right? Yeah, Tires Show is a Jason Stewart production,
but this segment specifically is a j stew production. Jay,
what is the year? We're not throwing it back to?
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Thank you? Dougle to take it from here. Uh, just
a clarification here. Dan Bayer came up with the concept.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I came up, I love and then I followed through on.
So it was like Dan wrote the book and then
I was a director who came in and just did
a creative change of some of the plot lines.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Dan, what was what? What did he change that you
from your original plan?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I had just a concept of looking back at, uh,
the sports stuff that happened that year and in the
world of sports. I think Jason's added some of the
pop culture stuff to it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Right, Because, as I always do when I intro this,
I usually say at Jason's heart, he'd like to be
like am rack or no FM rack DJ. Guys just
like everybody has that one job that they never did
but they'd be really good at and they still kind
of want to do, right, like college basketball coach or
something like that, right, or morning FM DJ in early
(30:04):
two thousands, right, those guys were making gigantic sums of
money doing all that stuff. Right, Buyer yours is what
Pga Golfer or er Lundquist up on the tower above
the masters, what's like the what's the like? The I
should always have?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
What's the what that you should always have.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
The job that you kind of always sort of wanted, Yeah,
and just never really pursued.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah, Yeah, that would be that's yes, that would be
up there to be assigned. Sam, do you have one
a whole at Augusta National?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Nice?
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, I always I always loved Indian Jones want to
be an archaeologist. But let me add this. I actually
caught a little glimpse of Jason's morning this morning. He
practices in his free time on radio delivery.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
What's the year, Jay Stu?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I want the listeners to all go back to two
thousand and two. I want us to go back to
two thousands.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
This is easy. The Angels won the World Series. Forget
everything else. Literally since then, it's been all They did it.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
They really did it.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
They won the World Series. They beat Barry Bonds and
the San Francisco Giants in Game seven at the Big A.
I don't I'd like that, Mamba out. The Angels won
the World Series in two thousand and two. Troy Percival.
By the way, that was during the juicer years, right,
and obviously Barry Bonds was the king of all the juicers.
(31:37):
But I'm not gonna name names. I know a couple
guys around that team. That team was so full of
juice they might as well have worked for a minute.
Made okay it was free.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Hey huh huh huh.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
I'll be here all week.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
That's my member is two thousand and two. Mamba Out.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
In two thousand and two, on this day into the
three years ago today, Allen Iverson created the greatest SoundBite
in the history of sports practice.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
We sitting in here, I supposed to be the franchise player,
and were in here talking about practice.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I mean listen.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
We're talking about practice, not a game, not a game.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Not a game.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
We're talking about practice, not a game, not the game
that I go out there and die for and play
every game like it's my last. Not the game. We're
talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? Man,
We're talking about practice. I know it's important I do,
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I honestly do. But we're talking about practice. Man, What
are we talking about practice? We're talking about practice, man,
We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We ain't
talking about the game. We're talking about practice.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Man.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
When you coming in arena and you see me play,
you see me play, don't you?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Absolutely you see me give everything I got right?
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Absolutely well, were talking about pragnice right now.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Just a complete disregard for how a leader should represent
a team. And then it was twenty three years ago too,
when they lost in the first round of the NBA
Playoffs to the Celtics, a short year after going to
the finals and losing to the Lakers, which, by the way,
the Lakers finished off their three peat weeks later by
(33:32):
beating the Nets in the NBA Finals. Lakers and Anaheim
are champions so far in the segment. They have one
thing in common, the five Freeway.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
I feel that that was also the start of this
like four or five year pit of the NBA where
it was the Pistons and the Spurs, and even though
the Lakers made it to the finals and four, it
wasn't like the normal Lakers team because it was Karl
Malone and it was just there just wasn't great basketball
during that time. And I don't know if Lebron losing
(34:08):
in seven was a breakout or the eight finals, but
I felt when the Nets went to back to back
NBA finals, it was kind of the start of this
pit in the NBA. I don't know if you guys
felt the same way, but.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
I felt that's why they was terrible. That's why they
changed the rules right, because it was really hard to watch,
really really hard to watch. Sam two thousand and two.
What memory comes to your mind?
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Well, Dan and I can team up on this one.
Iowa and Ohio State both went undefeated in the Big Ten. Iowa,
though suffered a home loss at home to Iowa State,
a game there they led, I mean, twenty four to seven.
So by a year's end, Iowa had the blemish of
an eleven to one record, and the Ohio State Buckeyes
with Krenzel and many many other people at DAN take
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that away. But the luck Eyes as they were known,
went off to win the national Championship IOWA with Brad
Banks second in the Heisman to Carson Palmer, and they
got smoked in the Orange Bowl against the USC Trojans.
But heck of a year for Kirk ference winning co
championship of the Big Ten with the.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Buckeyes magical season, and the Buckeyes did have a luck
go their way many many times all the way to
the end in that championship game, but there was a
game against Cincinnati that they could have lost earlier in
the season, game against Illinois, a game against Michigan, tight
games against Wisconsin. I was at the Holy Buckeye Miracle
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game in West Lafayette when on a fourth down and
two just past midfield, Craig Crenzel hit Michael Jenkins for
a touchdown to win a barn burner of a game
ten to six. That was nuts. It was a crazy season,
and for all of the heartbreak as an Ohio State
fan that I've had had throughout my previous years, I
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was just waiting for the bottom to fall out and
for the other shoe to drop, and it never did.
And it was when they beat Michigan that year. First
time I ever got teary eyed with one of my teams.
I didn't even cry when they beat Miami in the
National Championship game because it was kind of surprising and
as crazy as it was, but I was so ready
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and Michigan had a chance. They had four shots in
the end zone at the end, John Navarre threw one
up at the end and it was it ended up
being picked off, and then Ohio Stay went to the
Fiesta Bowl. But winning that game and not having Michigan
ruin ruin what was a magical season. It was something
that I was unfamiliar with that actually became for Clympt
when it when it happened, I'm kidding for Clempt. I'm
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getting a Clympt talk amongst yourselves. Two thousand and two
football season, I've got two thousand. There was a jam
packed year because also we just did nicknames. If we
would have done Hated Nick, I would have done Houston
Texans because it just I can't stand it. It's so easy.
It was a groan on you and all though you know,
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because it was also the name of a previous team
there were the Dallas Texans, so it's not even original
to them, and so it annoyed me. But it was
also the year that the Seahawks moved back to the
NFC after having so many years in the AFC. They
started out in nineteen seventy six in the NFC, which
I wasn't born, I don't remember, but they moved to
the NFC in two thousand and two, and that was
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that was that was different, That was very, very different.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Two thousand and two in movies, gave us the first
of the Spider Man series, right, I believe that was
the year the Tube maguire played Spider Man. William Dafoe
was the bad guy, Kristen Duntz was the was the
love interest. It also gave us.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
I was a good Spider Man. I liked him as
Spider Man.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Willem Dafoe is just such a good actor. He was
the green Goblin and that face of his very menacing face.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Uh m night. Shamalan gave us signs.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
Probably arguably possibly his last great horror film. I don't
know if he's done really anything good since then because
I think previous to Signs, he did the sixth sense.
He did like What is Unbreakable with Bruce Lee, Bruce
Willis and Samuel Jackson. But since Science it's been kind
of mostly missed. Signs is a is a fantastic alien
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horror movie because they don't show you the alien very
much until the end.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Well, don't give it away because it's always.
Speaker 5 (38:42):
Now it is about it is about aliens. So crop circles.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
That was the first Born identity as well.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Right, great franchise.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
It was great franchise, But I grew up. I think
I told you guys that I wasn't a great reader
growing up, and so my dad had me go back
and forteen sports novels and regular novels. But one of
the book series that he gave me that I love
was Born, the Born series.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Robert.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, he was a big lovelum guy. So book was
better and it gave us my big fat Greek wedding,
which is great because could you make my big fat
Greek wedding now, because it's like Greeks making fun of
Greek culture.
Speaker 6 (39:29):
Right, Doug, I mean your favorite dish and your favorite
drop make I love lamblam.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Yes, Greek lamb zero.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Very good and one of the great. Oh god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Going no, go ahead because I'm about to take a
left turn with you, Doug.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, So, and then when you grew up with I
didn't have kids at the time, okay, but it became
a movie that we showed our kids. My kids were
born for six and nine Ice Age? Did anybody love?
Fidnasloth Right? Ice Age was good? Became a good series.
I s H two was okay. After that, I don't
know what happened, but Ray Romano played a mammoth. John
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Leguizamo played said the sloth. Dennis Learly played the What
kind of cat was that? I forget a savor to Tiger?
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Right?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
Yeah, that's a heck of a line up right there.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I mean, go ahead, dar Dan.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
What a year it was in golf two thousand and two.
Tiger Woods at the top of his game when the
first two majors of the year, claiming the Masters, and
then the two thousand and two US Open at Bethpage
black outdueling Phil Mickelson at the end as they were
just a group of parts, but Tiger held on for
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the win of the at that time second major of
the year, and he had hopes Doug of completing the
career Grands or the season Grand Slam. Excuse me until
the third round of the Open Championship at Mirfield, when
this horrible weather cell came through smack dab during Tiger's
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third round, shot eighty one, worst professional round in a
major that he had shot in just awful weather. In
the end, Ernie Els won a four person playoff in
claiming at that time his third major championship and first
Claret Jog. He would win another a decade later, But
Tiger had an opportunity to go three for four, but
(41:32):
was outdualed that Hazel team by Rich Beam, who edged
Tiger by one shot. Tiger magnificent on that Sunday, shooting
a final round sixty seven, but was not enough to
catch Beam, who was one shot better. But two thousand
and two was a big year for Tiger Woods as
he was trying to chase the in season Grand Slam
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got fifty percent of it. Who knows what could have
happened if that weather cell on that Saturday Mierfield did
not come through.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
I'm guessing as you are watching Rich Beam win that
tournament Dan you were, you had this CD in your car.
We all did sounded something.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like this, Yes, because it was August, it was super warm,
super hot.
Speaker 4 (42:24):
This is the artist Nelly off the album Nellyville, his
second album. This top to charge for six weeks that summer.
I personally, I know this song was the more popular,
but I preferred Dilemma. The duet with Kelly Rowland on
that album just takes me right back to two thousand
and two as a single man on the prawl, because
(42:49):
we all face a dilemma when we're with the ladies
and you guys all know what I mean, get up.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Up out the dance flow. Mm hm hmmm. Uh. Nelly's
lived an interesting career, right, doesn't he have that that
that house in Saint Louis that's like all run down.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Abandoned, right?
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (43:12):
Yes, how about this banger from two thousand and two.
It's pretty much the opposite of a banger. I don't
know they use it.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
In a course light commercial right now.
Speaker 5 (43:28):
I think that's what it is in an ironic way.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yes, they got a wedding. It's very good.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
I think some new generations use banger for just hit song.
When I think banger I just say.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
You think that's not a bang? So, yeah, I'm with you.
I'm with you, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Wasn't that the year of Toby Keith courtesy the Red,
White and Blue? Was did that come out that year?
And oh two right, I believe it did. And at
the time it was like sort of controversial because it
was like, we'll put a bootender ass it's the American way, right,
And now it's like now like everybody loves it. Of course,
(44:10):
Toby sadly passed away last year cancer. But yeah, that
was that was when we were at war. That was
what Second Golf was? That Second Golf War was that
Iraq War.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
Well, remember we had just experienced nine to eleven and
we went hunting for the people that did it and
every place that wasn't the place they did it. Remember
Saudi Arabians were on the planes. Never went into Saudi Arabia,
but we went into Afghanistan and we went into Iraq.
WMD's Oh don't get me started on that. I will
(44:47):
say this. A show started that year that changed the paradigm. Oh,
American Idol launched. Kelly Clarkson's season of American Eye just
changed the way television was done. How many talent related
reality shows spawned from that. I know Survivor had already
(45:10):
been out, but that was kind of a different genre
of reality. This was talent. I'm gonna vote you off
and I'm gonna have a judge that talks a lot
of crap, that is insensitive, that is a bit blunt,
but it's gonna get some great ratings.
Speaker 5 (45:25):
Saw him and Cowell Simon Scowl.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Have you seen him recently though, Like he looks like
a completely different person.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah. I saw him one day about probably decade ago,
maybe even a little more, by the Whole Foods, by
us driving with a top down and this like classic
card wanting everybody to know that he was Simon Cowl. Yes,
he's what shows you on now? Is it? Americans Got Talent?
Speaker 5 (45:50):
Got talent?
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
I always liked him.
Speaker 6 (45:52):
I mean he he got you know, people were like, oh,
he played the villain, but he always gave people the
straight truth. He was always honest with people. Sure, and
I think he's I'm beloved for it now. I mean
he's Simon Cowell. Take him as well.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
There is one person that didn't, but we don't remember
from from two thousand and two American Idol, right, like
everybody Seacrest. That's when Seacrest became kind of a household name.
But wasn't there another There was two hosts, right, there
was Matt Jordan, Brian dun Brian Dunkleman. That's right, Brian Dunkleman.
(46:26):
Whatever happened to Brian Dunkleman?
Speaker 4 (46:30):
Great question.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
I think that's that's perfectly stated as it is.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
So what like what happened? Did they just like cut
costs with secrets so much better? Did he ask for
too much money for a year two? I would love
to know what really happened.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
I'm not sure. Maybe Sam can fill us in.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Can you imagine though, that you were on American Idol,
you were a co host, the thing went for like
it's still going and like you didn't make it to
season two?
Speaker 5 (47:01):
It's tough Sam.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
It looks like he's had like sporadic TV jobs and
uh and the UK His last Wikipedia thing of notice
that he started a podcast. So he's one of the
few guys that started a podcast in recent years.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
I uh, he said, he said, he stated his departure.
They get this from Wikipedia, so who knows his departure
was due to a terrible way they treated the young contestants,
and the show staging fights between the judges and reshooting
contestants with provide tears in their eyes. Oh so you
didn't like the most successful reality show in the history
of the of the brand. Huh, all right? He recently
(47:42):
he has said that it was a mistake. You think, Uh,
what's what's the Weasonly young guy who works for Montgomery
Burns in Simpson's.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
Yes, Smithers.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Smithers yea, Hey, listen, Smithers stuck with the with the
power plant. He's He's probably happier because of it.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
I have to mention this because I don't know. I
think that Jason knows this story. I would love this story, Doug.
I think that you know it, and I actually think
that Sam knows it. Two thousand and two college basketball season,
Maryland cuts down the nets right, they beat Indiana in
the championship game in Atlanta. Juan Dixon correct. And the
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story behind Jan Dixon was that both of his parents
had passed away when he was younger. Two aides. And
then we come to find out, and I saw this
on Real Sports that the person who passed away was
not Jan Dixon's real father, and he did not know
(48:44):
that he had a biological father that was still alive.
They reconnected. But for that story, like to that point
of Jan Dixon, he would say, oh, Maryland, Gary Williams
wins Jan Dixon, the star of that team. Wan Dixon's
parents died. And then I remember watching that Real Sports
and it was I think it was uncovered by a
writer from the Baltimore Sun that discovered this. But yeah,
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Wan Dixon's real dad was still alive. Happy enough, Wow, yeah,
crazy they reconnected and but two thousand and two Marylynd
cut down the nets.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
It kind of reminds me of that. You guys know
the Jack Nicholson story. No, when he was forty years old.
He got a phone call from a magazine when he
was forty and they said, we're doing an article and
we want to get your thoughts on this woman. Well,
Jack Nicholson's what he thought was his sister was actually
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his mother, and he was raised by his grandmother who
had him believing the entire time that she was his mother.
Imagine getting that news at forty years old and you're
Jack Nicholson, one of the most famous people in the world.
Speaker 6 (49:57):
So that would have been like late seventies, early eighties,
because he's why I think eighty eighty eight now or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
I honestly once when you said that, when you started
with the story, I was like, he got a phone calls,
Like he's got some kid, he's got a couple of kids,
you know, when he was hanging out with Magic Johnson
in the eighties. That's what That's where I thought you
were going with it. I'm not gonna lie anything else
great happened in two thousand and two. No, I'm sure
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