May 24, 2025 • 44 mins
On this edition of The Best Of The Week of the Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Knicks' historic collapse in game one of the Eastern Conference Finals to the Pacers and why he is comfortable calling it a choke job.
Acclaimed sports author Seth Wickersham joins Doug to discuss his upcoming book about quarterbacks and how the part about Caleb Williams has exploded.
Doug welcomes long-time basketball analyst and former coach Dan Dakich onto the show to talk about Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese and the Eastern Conference Finals.
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Not that coast, but I am on a shoreline, but
Sherman Oaks and Green Bay all together in this mix.
Welcome in. We can talk about whether that was the
greatest comeback of all time or just the most recent
great comeback. How much of it was a choke job.
There's a lot to get to, but I do feel
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like Charles Barkley nailed it last night, as he has
tendency to do. Where he was just like, how great
a job do we have where we get to talk
about just this unbelievable game. It was a great basketball
game that had an unreal finish, actually had a remarkable
finish twice over right, because you had the comeback in
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regulation and then the win in overtime, both by the
Indiana Pacers. Uh, and you had the choke by the
by the Knicks in regulation and some mismanagement of the
clock and game situation in overtime. So bunch to get
to by my colleagues, Dan Byer, Jay stew Iowa, Sam
all in the fold, all in the mix. We've all
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watched the game, and that's what we're going to talk about.
So here's what I want to do, guys. Okay, here's
what I'll do. There's other parts to it we can
get to, you know where Aaron Nasmith started to make
some shots. But the heart of it is fifty one
seconds to go and the Pacers are up one twenty one,
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one twelve. I meancuse to be the Knicks are up
uh one twenty one one twelve. Start up nine points
with fifty two seconds to go. Now full disclosure, I'm
watching this as a basketball coach and I've lived some
of this. We had a couple of collapses Youngstown State
at home, Oakland at home, and there there's a lot
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of similarities. Right. We didn't have a turnover against Oakland,
had turnovers against Youngstown, and we lost big leads and
lost games late. Michigan Tech at home up thirteen. Right,
all these things have happened. So I want to talk
through those last fifty one seconds and kind of get
some of your guys thoughts. I'll share some of my
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thoughts on how I'm watching it. You guys okay with that? Again,
We're all okay with that? Al right. So again, this
is last night's game. If you missed it, you missed it.
The Nicks reps seventeen in the fourth quarter nine with
fifty two seconds to go. Let's start with the first
cut into that nine point lead. Here's the call with
the Pacers down one, twenty one, one twelve.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He Smith three card, another one from outside, and now
it is a six point game again under a minute ago.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Hards right there, pressure by.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The Pacers, Towns bridges times to the whole, A Smith
again free, got it. Here's a flame forward, five point
game time out, taken thirty four seconds to go.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Five consecutive threes for Nie.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Smith, crazy right. The first thing is okay, the first three,
now it's I do think the Knicks sort of stopped playing.
I think they sort of stopped playing first because that
first three that he hit. Remember, you're up nine points.
You can it's mathematically you probably should foul there. You
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probably should would foul there. And you're like, why, Okay,
remember at that point he'd made three consecutive threes. If
you foul with fifty seconds to go on the ground,
whoever you foul, they it'll still be a three possession game.
And you get the ball in bounds, you get fouled yourself.
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You got a chance to get it right back to nine. Okay. Now,
when you're up nine, most people are not thinking, Hey,
we want to protect this lead and be at a
and be at a and and oh yeah, by the way,
it went from nine to six to eight. When you're
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up eight, you can also foul. It's not a three
possession game. It'd be a two possession game. But the
first thing is, there is a world where mathematically they
tell you, the analytics tell you you're up nine under
a minute, you foul because what happens is best case
scenario for them. They make both three throws, it's still
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a three possession game. Right, they make one out of two, Right,
they make zero out of two. Now you're no blood.
And if they make both it's seven. You throw it in,
you get fouled, and again remember in the NBA, you
get two shots. Even if you'll make one, it's at eight.
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But giving up two consecutive three point shots, and they
got progressively more difficult. But the first one he came
off a little it's called top to top hand off.
And og Nanobi's nowhere to be found. He's just late.
That's where I think the Knicks just stopped playing.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And here's where og kind of screwed up. There was
a bounce pass from Jalen Brunson to Ognobi where it
slipped out of his hands trying to go up for
a dunk, and then he grabbed it back into the
last second. The call was eventually overturned. Here here's the call.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Bridges zing bound, cutting Brunson inside bottle the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Oh, they'll challenge this, they will, absolutely, they have to
challenge it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It was a loose ball. That's exactly what coach Carlisle
is saying. So that gets overturned. Right now, it's a
it's a five point game, and Nie Smith again makes
a three.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He Smith, it's a three. What's a two point game? Oh,
it's a two point game? What twenty two seconds to go?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And of course Carl Anthony Towns misses one of two
three throws, and you'll never guess who hits his sixth
consecutive three.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Runs him to win bound on the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You do, and it's picked up by heart Now bruns
Him splits to n try and flies feeds.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Clark is ticking.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
There's a tough and.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Fall on tons.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Wow, you turnover on inbounds.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
They looked like Josh Hart was going down. Josh harten
my wig of his shoes.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
He slipped ome min great recovery there by Heart and
then he slipped on offfense.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And then after the Nie Smith three Ognanobi takes the pous.
Now again it's a one point game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
One point game, hard to inbound Funson's got it, oh throws.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It away, but keep up right there an andob and
quickly fouled Vi siakam.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Wow, what a mythed opportunity there by Indiana Wow. New
York very close to a couple of turnovers here. At
the end of the game. Brunson just gets up off
of his feet and throws the boll. Tries to throw
it off Nie Smith. I think Anonobe nce recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so oj Andobi who uh missed some defense to
some defensive coverages. The ball slips out of his hands
on a layup where he could have shot faked. He
gets it back, he loses the ball. Then he steps
up and he only makes one out of two. So
it's a two point game, end of regulation. Here's what happens.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Two point game, Indiana with it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Halliver, don't take it.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
He'll back bet on a free from the.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I gotta make sure he got all the way behind
the line.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He certainly got it off in three of time.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, I think that's a two that goes in. That's
gonna be a two that only ties the game.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That ties the game, we're gonna be going overtime.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Unbelieve he tried to give right so that those calls
uh via TNT. There's a lot to dig into. Tyre's
Haliburton going in for a layup. He gets picked up
a great defensive player to pick him up. He back
pedals back, tribbles back, and chucks the three while just
barely being on the line. It goes to overtime, and
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then the Pacers win the game in overtime. I've seen
a lot I've I haven't seen it like that. Uh
it took a special shooting performance by Aaron Naismith. It
took an unbelievable play bounce and amount of intelligence by
Tyrese Haliburton. And what's craziest is yes og and Obi
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thought three different possessions choked on the play. But Jalen
Brunson wasn't great either, right, could have thrown that basketball
away two times. Josh Hart fell down in guarding Naysmith,
one time coming off the screen, and then nearly fell
down on and slipped on the inbounds play. There's a
lot of blame to go around. I heard Colin say
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the Knicks didn't choke. Look at the shot making by
the Pacers, Like, I don't know what to tell you,
but if you turn the ball over, if you missed
two out of four free throws down the stretch, and
if you don't cover an elite three point shooter who
makes six consecutive threes, I don't know what else you
would call it. That was absolutely an obscene choke job.
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Now does it have to have elements of a comeback?
And the confidence of the pacers and the way they
play because they don't panic, right, It wasn't like they
came down the court and just jack threes with a
hand in their face, falling away and made miracle shots.
Those are off of set plays, quick hitters, and they
all worked. But they've been down before and they don't change,
they don't freak out. So there is a lot of
skill that goes with it. But if you're the New
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York Dicks, you have to win those games at that game.
Have to win that game, have to have to. The
only saving grace is one they've had their own comebacks, right,
so maybe it's karma working out their own comebacks against
the Knicks twice two We've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder
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choke away a game in similar sort of fashion Game
one against Nuggets came back and won the series, So
there is a we have seen teams overcome it in
the past, but that's as devastating a way to lose
a game as as I can think of. Byer, what
just give me? You watch, you've processed, you've thought go.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
So I actually, Doug think it goes back to when
they had the lead at around two minutes or so.
The Knicks and Jalen Brunson had hit a three previously
on a trip down but ended up shooting another three,
and then Karl Anthony Towns chucked up another three, where
I felt, at any point you get a basket at
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that point point, maybe the Pacers kind of wave the
white flag. They ended up not doing so. On one
occasion they got a three, and then the next occasion,
Siakam made a free throw got fouled. But I figured
if they got any bucket in that situation that it's
probably the end of the game. But ultimately, the play
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that I think cost them the most was the og
An Andobe fumble underneath the basket, because it is a
sure bucket go up seven twenty nine seconds left, instead
he botches it. Not only does do you not get
the points, you then give the ball to Indiana, which
then continues the whole string of it. But if you
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go up seven at that point with twenty nine left
to go, I mean, I just I think that I
think that's pretty good spot to be in. And considering
it was point blank range and just not being able
to grab the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think it was a good pass. Okay, And again one
of the flaws to Jalen Brunson, and and when I
say this, you know people who don't know basketball will
be like you're a heater, like Jalen Brunson is literally
my favorite player in the NBA. But he's not an
elite passer. It's not actually what he does. He's not
an elite passer. He can pass, but he's a he's
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a scoring point who can pass, a not a guy
who creates shots for others. So it wasn't a particularly
good pass. And it is one of those where you
drive in if you just throw it to the rim,
he catches it and he dunks it whatever. So instead
you play kind of classic Villanova jumpstop basketball. Great efficient,
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not a great pass, but an og Nobi lost the
basketball and the only thing you can think of there
is it's nerves, right, you're trying to get it up
quick ball SIPs out of your hands.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
The same with it with the Bucks. Remember when Gary
Trent was so great at the end and then he
just had the ball go through his leg twice like
it was but the one throw his legs, you're just like,
wait a second, what is this? And this was the
one where you're right at the basket and for some
reason you can't reel it in at that point. I mean,
there were we could make an argument for all of
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those plays that you made. I just felt for some
reason that one was the one to me that stood
out as the one that that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You, well, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like again,
and I'm not saying the Nova guys were perfect, but
we all make the assumption that these are grown men,
they're professionals, they're the best in the world, that they
don't get rattled og and Andobi was rattled. He was rattled,
right there's the video of him and kar Anthony Town's
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yelling at each other on the bench right before that.
He was rattled. He has never been that situation before.
And he absolutely choked in that position. And again I'm
admitting it wasn't a perfect pass. But when you combine
the fact that he was laid on a switch and
it was a Nate Smith three with the fact that
he missed one out of two free throws where he
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makes both free throws, game sead match and he drops
the ball. As you point out at the rim, they're
up five, that's up seven, game seat match. This is
it's classic man in the arena stuff. You ask anybody
they watched, they'd be like, yeah, he kind of blew
that game. I blew that game.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I mean, Haliburton was magnificent, Nie Smith was unworldly. But
the Pacers just they may have looked frantic, but they
didn't look like they were. They ever panicked and in
just in those situations it may have been a little
helter skelter, but my goodness, they had a plan. And
then when the Knicks needed to make shots dug in overtime.
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They jumped out to the lead in overtime and gave
it back. And then when they needed to make shots,
they couldn't do it. You couldn't make one. Brunts and
missed Cat missed. I think it was brunts in on
the out of bounds, you know, the pass out to
the wing that the flex off of I think it
was maybe Nemhard hit it and then it went off
of Brunson's hand and turn over there. Just unbelievable lack
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of execution by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Crazy, absolutely crazy, Jay Stu Again, I know you don't
profess yourself as a purveyor of breaking down basketball games,
but in terms of chokes, comebacks, however you want to like,
it happens. So I will tell you being on the sideline,
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having been on the other side of some of those.
I watched last night, and I swear to God, I
said this last night was God Once next year I
got to be on the other side of one of
these because it happened so fast, and sometimes there's sometimes
there's nothing you can do. As a coach. You can
tell them what to do, just like, just do this,
you win the game. And if one guy doesn't do
it and they hit a three, like you know all
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the planning in the world. But Jay Stu, where is
this one in your pantheon of choke jobs? Come whatever
you want to turn it.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I'm just going to offer up some stats.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
You know me, I'm I'm less interested about what happened
than how it was covered. And it seemed like even
the people that are most uncomfortable using the word choke,
we're using it in the wake of what happened last night.
Uh Cowherd saying it wasn't a choke. He's a true
outlier if that's what he said and he did. I'm
going to offer you two stats. Dan, you wanted to
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go back to like the three minute mark, right, you know,
in the history of the NBA and the playoffs, the
team that is trailing by fourteen points with two point
fifty left is zero in nine hundred and seventy and
now they're one in nine hundred and seventy. I'm going
to offer you this, since you wanted to start at
fifty seconds, Doug, going into last night's game, in the
history of the NBA Playoffs, teams that were up nine
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with fifty seconds left were uh, one thousand, four hundred
and fourteen and zero, and now they're one, four hundred
and fourteen and one. I think those two stats are
empirical evidence that this was the largest choke job in
the history of the NBA Playoffs, and that can't be disputed.
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So I'm not going to be talked off that ledge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't expect you to. I appreciate that number is
so alarming, like that game should be over, and I
get why you didn't foul up nine. You're like, it's
never happened before, but it's one of those where you
eliminate with a foul up nine, you eliminate the ability
to make it a two possession game, a two possession game.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
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Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll
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Dan's updates. So Dan's got a busy little segment here.
Speaking of Dan, we'll do all Dan's Pacers take on
the Knicks, and also we have Indiana Fever still in
the news. Who better for all things Indiana and all
things opinion in sports to join me in the Doug
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Gottlieb Show than the host of Don't at Me on OutKick.
That's Dan Dockitsch, of course, was head coach of Bowling
Green head coach at Indiana, longtime college basketball analysts and
double D joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Let's start. Let's start. I know this because I have
a couple of friends in Indianapolis, but again, you have
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your finger on the pulse of the city even more
so than just somebody who's an outsider with friends. How
big a deal are the Fever in the Indiana sports scene?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Gonna be huge? They were last year right now, Dougie,
you know, you know paces Eastern Conference, find a lot
of history between the Knicks and the Pacers, So that's
dominating right now. But the Fever gonna be Fever. Ye.
I don't know whether this is good or bad. It's
really good. Actually, Fever are very very good. Sophie Cunningham
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is a very good player that they brought in a
very attractive young lady. I mean, they've got a great team.
I think they're going to win the WNBA. They've got
a fun team to watch. Sophie, Lexi Hall, Kaylen, Caitlyn Clark,
and Leiah Boston are all very very energetic, outgoing, fun,
attractive people and that's going to bring viewers. And they're
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very good and so they're going to be the story
here big time. But right now, Doug, as we're twenty
four hours or whatever, we are away man, people people here,
Hey man, we love the Knicks Pacers rivalry going way back,
but Reggie, you know, twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven years,
so that's dominating right now. But of course, the whole
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nonsense with Angel Reese and you know, the Chicago Sky,
you know, being the little kid that cried wolf again
is dominating a little bit. But you know, we know
that's all garbage. And you know, we moved along to
the Nixon Pacers.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well well before we move it along. Okay, Again, I
have a couple of friends who have season tickets to
the Fever and they're like, it's the demo of that
particular event. Is different than traditional WNBA, whereas it's families
and lots of little girls come into the games right
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and a sold out arena NBA arena, whereas the rest
of the league for years had started to retract and
go to smaller venues and again, very very different. How
accurate is that in regard to what the crowd are, Doug, I've.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Never seen like it. Like I would tell you that
when I came back to Indianapolis after coaching Indiana, and
I never saw anything like the number of pigon man
in jerseys walking into a football stadium. But it's not
even close. I mean number twenty two, whether it's Fever,
whether it's Iowa, the little girls, the moms, the dads.
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You go in and right next to the built this
it's attached, but it's next to and it's outside of
the basketball area, kind of a kids area. And you
go to a Fever game and it is jam packed,
and I mean jam packed, like oh little girl. It's
a very cool environment and the crowds sounds different, you
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know what I mean, Doug. Like, you know, you go
to a college campus and you got students, and that
sounds different than an NBA arena, which is you know,
more corporate whatever. And you go a fever game. Man,
it basically sounds like twenty thousand kids have been it
let out of school and they're just going to scream
for two hours. It's it's very cool. It is very
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very very cool.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I bring it up because again I wasn't there. Were
you there Saturday? No, Okay, neither of us are there, right,
so we don't know. But the likelihood of multiple people
shouting things out and no one's saying anything or having
them escorted out seems a little far fetch doubled.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I would argue with zero. And again I said, cried,
who if we saw it last year at the Sky
you know, they said they were accosted at a hotel
after Kennedy Carter had cheap shot at Caitlin Clark and
it turned out it was one guy asking one question
of Kennedy Carter. So the likelihood is zero. And you
know a friend of mine who works for the Pacers
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Sports and Entertainment, He's like Dan and this is African
American guy who goes dann. We got a lot of
African American workers ushers because you think any of them
are going to put up with, you know, somebody yelling
racial slurs loud enough that you know that somebody heard
them on the court. It was loud. And guy told
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me that yesterday actually as I was on my radio show,
my afternoon show. And look, if it happened, I'll certainly
be the first criticize whoever and whatever we need to do.
But I would say the likelihood of zero. I've saw
Reese's interview today and she's doing that old victim thing
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I loved, blah blah blah. But nobody's ever saying what
was said. No one's No one's said what was said,
No one's said what they hurt, no nobody. It's just
you know, you got beat by thirty five. Were the
bullies Kaitlin Clark dominated, and you know the whole foul
thing was silly to meet. I think Kim English, the
coach of Providence, said it past like Twitter is successful.
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Caitlin Clark didn't want to give up a bucket. She
follow angel and Angelice reacted to the Hard File and
we moved along, but not with those two and not
in this day and age.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Apparently, Well it's Doug got leave show here on Fox
Sports Trail. All right, let's get to the Pacers. Did
you think that pressing for forty eight minutes would work
when you first saw the Pacers playing, like that'll work
in the NBA, Doug?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
When I first saw the Pacers play this year, they
were horrible, And they knew they were horrible. They were
banged up, but they were horrible. In fact, people talking
about Haliburton now, he's different Haliburton than he was back
in November and December. He was terrible. E didn't guard well.
I went to game Jokis, they made fun of him.
They posted up Christian Braun and Jochis were throwing passes
from and I'm being literal here beyond half court to
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a posting up Christian Braun and Haliburton actually addressed I
think it was a game or two later, how bad
he's been. He had zero toughness. He had kind of
lived off of He had a good year the year before,
good ending, maybe the Olympic team all that, and he
kind of lived off that and he straightened himself out
and even the announcers. Mark Boyle is a good friend.
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He comes on my show and he's like, look, Haliburton's
gonna either have to guard or this pacer team's not
going anywhere. And Haliburton has guarded. And this is what
I like about him, Doug. Now they're pressing. Now, they're deep.
Now they trust everybody. You know, they go from Ben
Shephard or you know, Jarence Walker to you know, be
topping off the bench, McConnell off. They got ten guys
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they'll play and they trust them. And you know this,
I mean, you coach, you play guys because you trust them.
You don't play guys because their mom or dad yells
in the stands or you know whatever, you play. And
Rick Carlisle, this team has developed into a team that
if he wants to press for forty eight minutes you saw,
he can do that. If he doesn't want to, you know,
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if he wants to go to more of a trapping
type style, which I think he's going to do against Brunson,
he can do that because he trusts. Even Halliburton late
in games, particularly in the Milwaukee series, late was really
good defensively, and that's something that one person in Indiana
would have told you going back to you know, the
start of the year. So it's fun to wat you
know this. I mean a team that goes through some
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stuff all of a sudden, they don't quit, they don't sull,
they don't want, they get better. And those are teams
that do what the Pacers are doing, which is you know,
Eastern Conference finals again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Steug Gottlieb show here on Fox, the Sports Trader, that's
the voice of Dan Dokatch. His show is called Don't
at Me. It's on OutKick. Like none of these guys,
many of these guys weren't alive when the Pacers played
the Knicks and Reggie Miller was what was Reggie Miller?
How much of the rivalry exists between the players, not
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just the fans.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Um. You know, it's funny. I was remember Scott Pollard
played it hands you probably played against where maybe it's
not nice elder. Yeah, Scotty came on my show and
he's like Dan, players don't care he goes. Players don't
remember he goes. You don't think. And I always think
about it like this. I went to college in nineteen
eighty one eighty two. I didn't know what happened twenty
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five years before, Like I didn't care. Now I know
the world's different. I know we've got uh, you know,
video and all that stuff. You don't care, you know,
And you know, here's what I hope tell me. Can
I ask you a question? Sure, I like Reggie Miller.
I think Reggie Miller is great. I think Reggie Miller
is really good as a commentator. But I got to
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tell you, I hope that they don't make this series
about Reggie Miller.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They do, it's gonna be, it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Look, I hope that they make this series about Yeah,
you know, we got to know the history, okay, But
I hope they make this series about this team against
that team, because we got killers on the court in
Brunson and Halliburton. We got rivals that are tough, fan
bases that are insane. Right now, Yeah, I don't really
(28:41):
care about what Reggie Miller did twenty five years ago.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm you know, but that's how
I look at it.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, thank goodness it's not NBC doing it, because
NBC would do all look backs. But I think that's
that's definitely right. Well, what's gonna happen? You mentioned you
mentioned trapping and getting the ball of Brunson's hands. It's
not what most people do in the NBA nowadays because
they believe, you know, you can't put two on the
ball because that leaves somebody open. Guys are just too good, uh,
(29:09):
playing playing five, playing four on three? Are you of
that belief?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I think you got to do everything. I think you've
got to do a lot of stuff. Like if you
use someone to say to me, well they trap, my
answer would be yes, Well they keep going to the
satellite and answer be yet to get over the screen
and keep the same matchup, meaning they don't want Halliburn
on them stuff. There's a ball screen. They just make
sure that Nesbeth, you know, fights over under the screen.
(29:37):
I'd say, I think you got to do everything. I
think you got to have about eight to ten things
that you can do against him. But I do think
trapping is in play effect. I know it is. I
know you'll see that out of the paces they're they're
pretty good because of length and this is somewhere, this
is something where depth helps them. They bring in fresh
guys like you know, one of the things when we
(30:00):
go to games. We're fortunate. Kevin Pritchard hooks us up.
We sit behind the bench up a little bit. And
the Pacers, again I use the word trust, because they
trust they'll see a guy get tired. They really don't
care when it is. And if they're trapping and they
see somebody get tired, they'll just get that guy out
of get somebody else in so that they're still fresh.
And if they're not scrambling right, if they're not rotating
(30:22):
out of a trap and somebody is slow and he's tired,
they can tell them they get him out. They have
really good assistant coaches like this, Jenny but Check is
a really good assistant coach for the Pacers, and she's
always up doing that. So depth matters, not necessarily. And
you can hear this all the time. You're gonna hear
how depth is so important to wearing the Knicks down.
(30:44):
That's not it. They use their depth to enhance their team,
meaning they keep themselves fresh, they don't let themselves get tired.
But at the end of the game is going to
be Haliburton, is gonna be Haliburton if Hosco getting it done.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
If you're going to pick one game to get a
ticket or buy a ticket in this series? What one
is it?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh? Man, I really wanted to go tomorrow, Doug. I
have this bucket list. My bucket list. My wife will
tell you a pretty good Army Nations game is that thing.
But I looked at the tickets that I got through
Kevin Pritchett. I say, man, I want to buy one
through your allotment. He goes Dan, here's the prices, and
the lowest price through the Pacers, not the Baser's box office.
(31:34):
Through the pacers A lotment was thirteen hundred bucks. And
I'm like, man, I like New York, I got good job.
But I'm not paying twenty seven hundred bucks. That's before
that's for two tickets. That's before all the fees. But
I would love to go to game one?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Why why gay? Why Gay one? Not six or seven?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, I'd go to six or seven. I mean it'd
be great.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's I asked that. This is the hard thing. Like,
like I have I have friends. I have good friends
in Oklahoma City. So They're like, hey, I just went
to Game seven with my son. So I'm like, all right,
Game five is the one. Because you're not promised seven,
like seven is not seven? Is it's a reach to know?
To go seven? Five is a very strong likelihood. So
(32:20):
I'm like, all right, whatever it costs me, I'll do five.
And I just didn't know what which one you you know,
which one you'd want?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well, that's why Game one. I think there's the anticipation.
I think the energy is insane. Uh. Would I like
to go to Game seven? Yeah? But but Game one
to me in New York in the Garden, that rivalry,
I don't know. Man Like, I don't want to go
on a weekend because I want to play golf and
drink beer with my buddies on the weekend. But I
(32:48):
want to I want to go, you know, Game two,
because I think it's on Friday. That'd be good too.
But I want to go in New York. I want
to go. I don't care if it's you know what
is a game will be in India. I want to go.
But I want to go to a game in the garden.
I played in the garden, A coach in the garden,
A broadcasting the garden. I want to go to a game,
(33:09):
playoff game, big series, big rival in the garden. In
Game one look pretty good, to me.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
There you go, Dann dockets out at at at out
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W you the best man. Let's catch up soon.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Thanks my friend, See you buddy. Bye bye.
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Speaker 1 (33:45):
Seth Wicker Shams of the sportsriter. Acclaimed sports author. He's
author author of the new book American Kings, Biography of
the Quarterback, which is available now for pre order. The
book comes out in September. He joinses now on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, but not not
without mentioning that he just tweeted out some inside information
(34:06):
from the Tush Push vote earlier today. Right, set So,
I just saw a quote that you tweeted out. But
most of America is driving their car. They're at the cubicle.
They can't see it. What was the analogy that Jeffrey
Lorie used about the play?
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Hey guys, good to see, Good to talk to you again. Yeah,
some news coming at it today. You know, a very
heated tush push argument today in the league meetings earlier,
and I think, you know, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lourie made
an impassioned me speech. It lasted close to an hour.
He spent a lot of time, you know, defending the
play and his team, and you know, I think he
(34:44):
thought that he had seen reports that the Tust Push
was going to be banned, and so I think he
felt that he needed to, you know, kind of throw
a hail Mary, and he made an analogy that kind
of fell flat where you know, he he said that,
you know, it was like a wet dream for a
teenage boy quote to create a play that was so
(35:06):
successful that the only way for it to be stopped
was for it to be banned.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
And so.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
Yeah, so you know, Troy Vincent, NFL executive vice president,
later told him, we thought that was completely insensitive, given that,
you know, there's a lot of people in the room,
including women, and obviously you know, the tush Push ends
up not getting banned.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, it's really interesting. There was so much momentum for it.
It wasn't like he was even it was twenty two
to ten, but he's twenty four votes in order to
go through. Okay, seth Let's it's been I don't know
about a week week and a half since the excerpts
from your book were first released, and everyone talked obviously
about Caleb Williams. What's the fallout been in the league
(35:53):
from Caleb at the time saying I want to go
to the Vikings and now he's a member of the Bears.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
Well, one of the funny things about when you do
a story for some reason, the first question people ask
is about like fallout or reaction, And not to sound
all Larry David, but the reaction has been me answering
questions about people asking me what the reaction has.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know, but but you also but you also do
wear two hats, right, Like it's not like you write
the book and I'm just an author of that book
and nothing else. You also still report in the NFL,
So I know people are pulling you aside, going like
I can't or whatever they're saying.
Speaker 9 (36:30):
Yeah, well, I mean, like I think that like there
was a lot of sort of rumor and some reporting
at the time that you know that Kayleab had some
doubts about going to the Bears, and then his dad
definitely did. And so you know, what I tried to
do was add what I could on that reporting. And
you know, I think if dad, Carl wanted to give him,
(36:50):
want to find any way possible to do what Jack
and John Elway.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Had done and do what.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Archie and he like Manning had done, and that was,
you know, give his son some agency over his future employer.
It's not an unreasonable thing. And the lead up to
the draft, you know, they Carl had told me, you know,
Chicago's where quarterbacks go to die, and he's not wrong.
And so now Caleb, though, was the one making the decisions.
(37:18):
And so Caleb met with the Bears at the combine.
I think it was a good meeting.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It was fine.
Speaker 9 (37:29):
And then he also at the combine met with Kevin
O'Connell of the Minnesota Vikings. And O'Connell, of course, is
a four year starter at San Diego State, played quarterback
with Tom Brady a little bit in the NFL, one
of the been around some of the best coaches in
the NFL and is now one of them himself, and
they really got along well. And I think he got
Caleb energized.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
And thinking like, man, you know, could that.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
Be a possibility to play in Minnesota? And he told
his dad, I really I got to go to Minnesota.
But you know the problem is the draft is collectively bargained.
And even though Carl Williams had spent the better part
of a year trying to find any way around it,
talking to lawyers, Archie Manning, all kinds of people, there
really wasn't a way. And that left them with one option,
(38:14):
and that was to kind of nuke the city and
make there and the team and make everything untenable. And
you know, kind of what John and Jack Elway did
with the city of Baltimore in eighty three. And at
the end of the day, Caleb was not willing, was
not was not willing.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
And ready to do that.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
He didn't want to. He visited with the Bears again,
he enjoyed his time with them, and he decided he
wanted to make it work in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
This it wasn't a Caleb Williams book. I think that's
the most important thing. You do not understand, right. But
it again because the quotes and because he was in
a Mollon pick and because of Poline, Eli Manning. It's
become before people up a Caleb Williams book, Who's the
(39:03):
most Surprising Quarterback? In terms of the story, you feel
like people will learn about when they pick up the book.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Well, so, I mean, Kara zoom Back, I mean, what's
fascinated about me? About this this job? You know, it's
a very unique American job. It has very unique responsibilities.
It's unlike anything else in sports in almost every single way.
You know, a shortstop or a center fielder or a
point guard does not wear all of the hats and
quarterback wears from being the spokesperson of a multi billion
dollar organization to Matt may Idle to situational asshole, like
(39:39):
you know, there's all kinds of things, and you know,
I wanted to try to show what it takes to
do this and what kind of people are drawn to it.
It's again, it's just different, and so it's not a
history of the quarterback. But I did figure out and
try to look at, like, you know, how did this
become so celebrated in our in our culture. And I
(40:00):
think that, like, you know, some of the answers go
back to nineteen oh six, some of them go back
to the nineteen forties with Bob Waterfield and Jane Russell.
Bob Waterfield when he was at UCLA and he was
dating Jane Russell, who at the time was the world's
biggest pit up star, ran in higher, more lofty American
circles than any college quarterback ever, more than Tim Teegle,
(40:23):
more than Caleb Williams, you name it.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It was.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
I mean, he was hanging out with Sinatra as a
college senior. But most of all, I wanted to like
show in the realist way what it was like to
do this, whether it was through the eyes of Lway
or the Manning family in Arch Manning's recruitment, or Caleb
Williams in his journey or Steve Young.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
So anyway, there's a lot of those guys that come
into play, and there's other quarterbacks who kind of get
their moment on stage. But I think the thing that
surprised me the most is just how from the moment
that really like a man could throw spirals. This thing
was celebrated in America and in a very real way.
Even though quarterback is huge now, it's like time as
(41:06):
a flat circle.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You also wrote the Brady Belichick book Seth Wicker SAMs
our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. If I were to tell you, and you
were writing that book that Bill Belichick would be a
college coach and be engaged to a twenty four year
old who people believe is the puppet master behind a
(41:33):
lot of his media and social media things, what would
you have said.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
I would have said, let's talk when you're sober.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Yeah, boy, you know, I think that like since Belichick,
you know, since he opened.
Speaker 9 (42:00):
The door for Tom Brady to leave New England and
Brady walked right out. You know it just it hasn't
been a great run for him. You know, they he
drafted Bertie's replacement in mac Jones, didn't really work out,
had some losing seasons.
Speaker 10 (42:12):
There, the end of New England, had.
Speaker 9 (42:15):
An awkward parting of ways with Bob Kraft, obviously, didn't
get hired again in the NFL and was out of
the game for the first time, out of the NFL
for the first time since you know, he was a
senior at Wesleyan and you know, venue of this drama.
I mean, I think that like the University of North
(42:37):
Carolina when they made Bill Belichick, the state's highest.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Paid public employee.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
They had to have been thinking that. At the minimum,
what we are getting is a low drama, buttoned up
football operation. And since Belichick has been there so far,
we're not talking about any of the players. We're not
talking about how he's going to scheme up defenses, the
slapper around Dabos Swiney's offense. What we're talking about with
(43:04):
Bill is all of these you know, side issues, and
a lot of that falls at his feed.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Seth. We're going to have you back when the book
is out. Remember this, this book, which you can pre
order right now, is called American Kings, a biography of
the quarterback, and yes, to Kayleb Williams part is part
of it, but so to his arch Manning. So too
is many of the other young quarterbacks. It'll come out
in September. Seth, great stuff. Love having you on. We'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 9 (43:34):
Great talking to you.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Likewise, let me get to Dan Bayer. Get a quick
breaking news update here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (43:45):
Oklahoma City thunder guard Shay Giljess Alexander is the NBA's
MVP for the twenty twenty four to twenty five season.
That's according to our report from ESPN.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Ah. Yes, And when he goes up to grab the MVP,
if anybody gets in his way at all, we know
it's going to be an animal. Oh what, that's the
third Oklahoma City Thunder player to get the MVP.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Third player to get the MVP?
Speaker 6 (44:14):
Durant, Wes Westbrook and SGA.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I heard stephen A say that
Sam Presti was a failure because they haven't won a
championship despite all the players. It's I mean, I greatly
disagree with it, but it actually is a discussion. It's like, okay,
it is a discussion.
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Not that coast, but I am on a shoreline, but
Sherman Oaks and Green Bay all together in this mix.
Welcome in. We can talk about whether that was the
greatest comeback of all time or just the most recent
great comeback. How much of it was a choke job.
There's a lot to get to, but I do feel
(00:51):
like Charles Barkley nailed it last night, as he has
tendency to do. Where he was just like, how great
a job do we have where we get to talk
about just this unbelievable game. It was a great basketball
game that had an unreal finish, actually had a remarkable
finish twice over right, because you had the comeback in
(01:12):
regulation and then the win in overtime, both by the
Indiana Pacers. Uh, and you had the choke by the
by the Knicks in regulation and some mismanagement of the
clock and game situation in overtime. So bunch to get
to by my colleagues, Dan Byer, Jay stew Iowa, Sam
all in the fold, all in the mix. We've all
(01:33):
watched the game, and that's what we're going to talk about.
So here's what I want to do, guys. Okay, here's
what I'll do. There's other parts to it we can
get to, you know where Aaron Nasmith started to make
some shots. But the heart of it is fifty one
seconds to go and the Pacers are up one twenty one,
(01:54):
one twelve. I meancuse to be the Knicks are up
uh one twenty one one twelve. Start up nine points
with fifty two seconds to go. Now full disclosure, I'm
watching this as a basketball coach and I've lived some
of this. We had a couple of collapses Youngstown State
at home, Oakland at home, and there there's a lot
(02:17):
of similarities. Right. We didn't have a turnover against Oakland,
had turnovers against Youngstown, and we lost big leads and
lost games late. Michigan Tech at home up thirteen. Right,
all these things have happened. So I want to talk
through those last fifty one seconds and kind of get
some of your guys thoughts. I'll share some of my
(02:38):
thoughts on how I'm watching it. You guys okay with that? Again,
We're all okay with that? Al right. So again, this
is last night's game. If you missed it, you missed it.
The Nicks reps seventeen in the fourth quarter nine with
fifty two seconds to go. Let's start with the first
cut into that nine point lead. Here's the call with
the Pacers down one, twenty one, one twelve.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
He Smith three card, another one from outside, and now
it is a six point game again under a minute ago.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Hards right there, pressure by.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
The Pacers, Towns bridges times to the whole, A Smith
again free, got it. Here's a flame forward, five point
game time out, taken thirty four seconds to go.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Five consecutive threes for Nie.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Smith, crazy right. The first thing is okay, the first three,
now it's I do think the Knicks sort of stopped playing.
I think they sort of stopped playing first because that
first three that he hit. Remember, you're up nine points.
You can it's mathematically you probably should foul there. You
(03:59):
probably should would foul there. And you're like, why, Okay,
remember at that point he'd made three consecutive threes. If
you foul with fifty seconds to go on the ground,
whoever you foul, they it'll still be a three possession game.
And you get the ball in bounds, you get fouled yourself.
(04:20):
You got a chance to get it right back to nine. Okay. Now,
when you're up nine, most people are not thinking, Hey,
we want to protect this lead and be at a
and be at a and and oh yeah, by the way,
it went from nine to six to eight. When you're
(04:41):
up eight, you can also foul. It's not a three
possession game. It'd be a two possession game. But the
first thing is, there is a world where mathematically they
tell you, the analytics tell you you're up nine under
a minute, you foul because what happens is best case
scenario for them. They make both three throws, it's still
(05:02):
a three possession game. Right, they make one out of two, Right,
they make zero out of two. Now you're no blood.
And if they make both it's seven. You throw it in,
you get fouled, and again remember in the NBA, you
get two shots. Even if you'll make one, it's at eight.
(05:23):
But giving up two consecutive three point shots, and they
got progressively more difficult. But the first one he came
off a little it's called top to top hand off.
And og Nanobi's nowhere to be found. He's just late.
That's where I think the Knicks just stopped playing.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And here's where og kind of screwed up. There was
a bounce pass from Jalen Brunson to Ognobi where it
slipped out of his hands trying to go up for
a dunk, and then he grabbed it back into the
last second. The call was eventually overturned. Here here's the call.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Bridges zing bound, cutting Brunson inside bottle the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Oh, they'll challenge this, they will, absolutely, they have to
challenge it.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
It was a loose ball. That's exactly what coach Carlisle
is saying. So that gets overturned. Right now, it's a
it's a five point game, and Nie Smith again makes
a three.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He Smith, it's a three. What's a two point game? Oh,
it's a two point game? What twenty two seconds to go?
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And of course Carl Anthony Towns misses one of two
three throws, and you'll never guess who hits his sixth
consecutive three.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Runs him to win bound on the ball.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
You do, and it's picked up by heart Now bruns
Him splits to n try and flies feeds.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Clark is ticking.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
There's a tough and.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Fall on tons.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
Wow, you turnover on inbounds.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
They looked like Josh Hart was going down. Josh harten
my wig of his shoes.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
He slipped ome min great recovery there by Heart and
then he slipped on offfense.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And then after the Nie Smith three Ognanobi takes the pous.
Now again it's a one point game.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
One point game, hard to inbound Funson's got it, oh throws.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It away, but keep up right there an andob and
quickly fouled Vi siakam.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Wow, what a mythed opportunity there by Indiana Wow. New
York very close to a couple of turnovers here. At
the end of the game. Brunson just gets up off
of his feet and throws the boll. Tries to throw
it off Nie Smith. I think Anonobe nce recovery.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Okay, so oj Andobi who uh missed some defense to
some defensive coverages. The ball slips out of his hands
on a layup where he could have shot faked. He
gets it back, he loses the ball. Then he steps
up and he only makes one out of two. So
it's a two point game, end of regulation. Here's what happens.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Two point game, Indiana with it.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Halliver, don't take it.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
He'll back bet on a free from the.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I gotta make sure he got all the way behind
the line.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
He certainly got it off in three of time.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Oh, I think that's a two that goes in. That's
gonna be a two that only ties the game.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
That ties the game, we're gonna be going overtime.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Unbelieve he tried to give right so that those calls
uh via TNT. There's a lot to dig into. Tyre's
Haliburton going in for a layup. He gets picked up
a great defensive player to pick him up. He back
pedals back, tribbles back, and chucks the three while just
barely being on the line. It goes to overtime, and
(09:23):
then the Pacers win the game in overtime. I've seen
a lot I've I haven't seen it like that. Uh
it took a special shooting performance by Aaron Naismith. It
took an unbelievable play bounce and amount of intelligence by
Tyrese Haliburton. And what's craziest is yes og and Obi
(09:45):
thought three different possessions choked on the play. But Jalen
Brunson wasn't great either, right, could have thrown that basketball
away two times. Josh Hart fell down in guarding Naysmith,
one time coming off the screen, and then nearly fell
down on and slipped on the inbounds play. There's a
lot of blame to go around. I heard Colin say
(10:11):
the Knicks didn't choke. Look at the shot making by
the Pacers, Like, I don't know what to tell you,
but if you turn the ball over, if you missed
two out of four free throws down the stretch, and
if you don't cover an elite three point shooter who
makes six consecutive threes, I don't know what else you
would call it. That was absolutely an obscene choke job.
(10:32):
Now does it have to have elements of a comeback?
And the confidence of the pacers and the way they
play because they don't panic, right, It wasn't like they
came down the court and just jack threes with a
hand in their face, falling away and made miracle shots.
Those are off of set plays, quick hitters, and they
all worked. But they've been down before and they don't change,
they don't freak out. So there is a lot of
skill that goes with it. But if you're the New
(10:54):
York Dicks, you have to win those games at that game.
Have to win that game, have to have to. The
only saving grace is one they've had their own comebacks, right,
so maybe it's karma working out their own comebacks against
the Knicks twice two We've seen the Oklahoma City Thunder
(11:16):
choke away a game in similar sort of fashion Game
one against Nuggets came back and won the series, So
there is a we have seen teams overcome it in
the past, but that's as devastating a way to lose
a game as as I can think of. Byer, what
just give me? You watch, you've processed, you've thought go.
Speaker 6 (11:38):
So I actually, Doug think it goes back to when
they had the lead at around two minutes or so.
The Knicks and Jalen Brunson had hit a three previously
on a trip down but ended up shooting another three,
and then Karl Anthony Towns chucked up another three, where
I felt, at any point you get a basket at
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that point point, maybe the Pacers kind of wave the
white flag. They ended up not doing so. On one
occasion they got a three, and then the next occasion,
Siakam made a free throw got fouled. But I figured
if they got any bucket in that situation that it's
probably the end of the game. But ultimately, the play
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that I think cost them the most was the og
An Andobe fumble underneath the basket, because it is a
sure bucket go up seven twenty nine seconds left, instead
he botches it. Not only does do you not get
the points, you then give the ball to Indiana, which
then continues the whole string of it. But if you
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go up seven at that point with twenty nine left
to go, I mean, I just I think that I
think that's pretty good spot to be in. And considering
it was point blank range and just not being able
to grab the ball, I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Think it was a good pass. Okay, And again one
of the flaws to Jalen Brunson, and and when I
say this, you know people who don't know basketball will
be like you're a heater, like Jalen Brunson is literally
my favorite player in the NBA. But he's not an
elite passer. It's not actually what he does. He's not
an elite passer. He can pass, but he's a he's
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a scoring point who can pass, a not a guy
who creates shots for others. So it wasn't a particularly
good pass. And it is one of those where you
drive in if you just throw it to the rim,
he catches it and he dunks it whatever. So instead
you play kind of classic Villanova jumpstop basketball. Great efficient,
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not a great pass, but an og Nobi lost the
basketball and the only thing you can think of there
is it's nerves, right, you're trying to get it up
quick ball SIPs out of your hands.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
The same with it with the Bucks. Remember when Gary
Trent was so great at the end and then he
just had the ball go through his leg twice like
it was but the one throw his legs, you're just like,
wait a second, what is this? And this was the
one where you're right at the basket and for some
reason you can't reel it in at that point. I mean,
there were we could make an argument for all of
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those plays that you made. I just felt for some
reason that one was the one to me that stood
out as the one that that.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
You, well, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like again,
and I'm not saying the Nova guys were perfect, but
we all make the assumption that these are grown men,
they're professionals, they're the best in the world, that they
don't get rattled og and Andobi was rattled. He was rattled,
right there's the video of him and kar Anthony Town's
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yelling at each other on the bench right before that.
He was rattled. He has never been that situation before.
And he absolutely choked in that position. And again I'm
admitting it wasn't a perfect pass. But when you combine
the fact that he was laid on a switch and
it was a Nate Smith three with the fact that
he missed one out of two free throws where he
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makes both free throws, game sead match and he drops
the ball. As you point out at the rim, they're
up five, that's up seven, game seat match. This is
it's classic man in the arena stuff. You ask anybody
they watched, they'd be like, yeah, he kind of blew
that game. I blew that game.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I mean, Haliburton was magnificent, Nie Smith was unworldly. But
the Pacers just they may have looked frantic, but they
didn't look like they were. They ever panicked and in
just in those situations it may have been a little
helter skelter, but my goodness, they had a plan. And
then when the Knicks needed to make shots dug in overtime.
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They jumped out to the lead in overtime and gave
it back. And then when they needed to make shots,
they couldn't do it. You couldn't make one. Brunts and
missed Cat missed. I think it was brunts in on
the out of bounds, you know, the pass out to
the wing that the flex off of I think it
was maybe Nemhard hit it and then it went off
of Brunson's hand and turn over there. Just unbelievable lack
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of execution by the Knicks.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Crazy, absolutely crazy, Jay Stu Again, I know you don't
profess yourself as a purveyor of breaking down basketball games,
but in terms of chokes, comebacks, however you want to like,
it happens. So I will tell you being on the sideline,
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having been on the other side of some of those.
I watched last night, and I swear to God, I
said this last night was God Once next year I
got to be on the other side of one of
these because it happened so fast, and sometimes there's sometimes
there's nothing you can do. As a coach. You can
tell them what to do, just like, just do this,
you win the game. And if one guy doesn't do
it and they hit a three, like you know all
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the planning in the world. But Jay Stu, where is
this one in your pantheon of choke jobs? Come whatever
you want to turn it.
Speaker 7 (17:01):
I'm just going to offer up some stats.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Guys.
Speaker 7 (17:03):
You know me, I'm I'm less interested about what happened
than how it was covered. And it seemed like even
the people that are most uncomfortable using the word choke,
we're using it in the wake of what happened last night.
Uh Cowherd saying it wasn't a choke. He's a true
outlier if that's what he said and he did. I'm
going to offer you two stats. Dan, you wanted to
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go back to like the three minute mark, right, you know,
in the history of the NBA and the playoffs, the
team that is trailing by fourteen points with two point
fifty left is zero in nine hundred and seventy and
now they're one in nine hundred and seventy. I'm going
to offer you this, since you wanted to start at
fifty seconds, Doug, going into last night's game, in the
history of the NBA Playoffs, teams that were up nine
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with fifty seconds left were uh, one thousand, four hundred
and fourteen and zero, and now they're one, four hundred
and fourteen and one. I think those two stats are
empirical evidence that this was the largest choke job in
the history of the NBA Playoffs, and that can't be disputed.
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So I'm not going to be talked off that ledge.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I don't expect you to. I appreciate that number is
so alarming, like that game should be over, and I
get why you didn't foul up nine. You're like, it's
never happened before, but it's one of those where you
eliminate with a foul up nine, you eliminate the ability
to make it a two possession game, a two possession game.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
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Speaker 1 (18:40):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll
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Dan's updates. So Dan's got a busy little segment here.
Speaking of Dan, we'll do all Dan's Pacers take on
the Knicks, and also we have Indiana Fever still in
the news. Who better for all things Indiana and all
things opinion in sports to join me in the Doug
(19:01):
Gottlieb Show than the host of Don't at Me on OutKick.
That's Dan Dockitsch, of course, was head coach of Bowling
Green head coach at Indiana, longtime college basketball analysts and
double D joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Let's start. Let's start. I know this because I have
a couple of friends in Indianapolis, but again, you have
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your finger on the pulse of the city even more
so than just somebody who's an outsider with friends. How
big a deal are the Fever in the Indiana sports scene?
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Gonna be huge? They were last year right now, Dougie,
you know, you know paces Eastern Conference, find a lot
of history between the Knicks and the Pacers, So that's
dominating right now. But the Fever gonna be Fever. Ye.
I don't know whether this is good or bad. It's
really good. Actually, Fever are very very good. Sophie Cunningham
(19:59):
is a very good player that they brought in a
very attractive young lady. I mean, they've got a great team.
I think they're going to win the WNBA. They've got
a fun team to watch. Sophie, Lexi Hall, Kaylen, Caitlyn Clark,
and Leiah Boston are all very very energetic, outgoing, fun,
attractive people and that's going to bring viewers. And they're
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very good and so they're going to be the story
here big time. But right now, Doug, as we're twenty
four hours or whatever, we are away man, people people here,
Hey man, we love the Knicks Pacers rivalry going way back,
but Reggie, you know, twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven years,
so that's dominating right now. But of course, the whole
(20:43):
nonsense with Angel Reese and you know, the Chicago Sky,
you know, being the little kid that cried wolf again
is dominating a little bit. But you know, we know
that's all garbage. And you know, we moved along to
the Nixon Pacers.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Well well before we move it along. Okay, Again, I
have a couple of friends who have season tickets to
the Fever and they're like, it's the demo of that
particular event. Is different than traditional WNBA, whereas it's families
and lots of little girls come into the games right
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and a sold out arena NBA arena, whereas the rest
of the league for years had started to retract and
go to smaller venues and again, very very different. How
accurate is that in regard to what the crowd are, Doug, I've.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Never seen like it. Like I would tell you that
when I came back to Indianapolis after coaching Indiana, and
I never saw anything like the number of pigon man
in jerseys walking into a football stadium. But it's not
even close. I mean number twenty two, whether it's Fever,
whether it's Iowa, the little girls, the moms, the dads.
(21:58):
You go in and right next to the built this
it's attached, but it's next to and it's outside of
the basketball area, kind of a kids area. And you
go to a Fever game and it is jam packed,
and I mean jam packed, like oh little girl. It's
a very cool environment and the crowds sounds different, you
(22:19):
know what I mean, Doug. Like, you know, you go
to a college campus and you got students, and that
sounds different than an NBA arena, which is you know,
more corporate whatever. And you go a fever game. Man,
it basically sounds like twenty thousand kids have been it
let out of school and they're just going to scream
for two hours. It's it's very cool. It is very
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very very cool.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I bring it up because again I wasn't there. Were
you there Saturday? No, Okay, neither of us are there, right,
so we don't know. But the likelihood of multiple people
shouting things out and no one's saying anything or having
them escorted out seems a little far fetch doubled.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I would argue with zero. And again I said, cried,
who if we saw it last year at the Sky
you know, they said they were accosted at a hotel
after Kennedy Carter had cheap shot at Caitlin Clark and
it turned out it was one guy asking one question
of Kennedy Carter. So the likelihood is zero. And you
know a friend of mine who works for the Pacers
(23:31):
Sports and Entertainment, He's like Dan and this is African
American guy who goes dann. We got a lot of
African American workers ushers because you think any of them
are going to put up with, you know, somebody yelling
racial slurs loud enough that you know that somebody heard
them on the court. It was loud. And guy told
(23:51):
me that yesterday actually as I was on my radio show,
my afternoon show. And look, if it happened, I'll certainly
be the first criticize whoever and whatever we need to do.
But I would say the likelihood of zero. I've saw
Reese's interview today and she's doing that old victim thing
(24:11):
I loved, blah blah blah. But nobody's ever saying what
was said. No one's No one's said what was said,
No one's said what they hurt, no nobody. It's just
you know, you got beat by thirty five. Were the
bullies Kaitlin Clark dominated, and you know the whole foul
thing was silly to meet. I think Kim English, the
coach of Providence, said it past like Twitter is successful.
(24:33):
Caitlin Clark didn't want to give up a bucket. She
follow angel and Angelice reacted to the Hard File and
we moved along, but not with those two and not
in this day and age.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Apparently, Well it's Doug got leave show here on Fox
Sports Trail. All right, let's get to the Pacers. Did
you think that pressing for forty eight minutes would work
when you first saw the Pacers playing, like that'll work
in the NBA, Doug?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
When I first saw the Pacers play this year, they
were horrible, And they knew they were horrible. They were
banged up, but they were horrible. In fact, people talking
about Haliburton now, he's different Haliburton than he was back
in November and December. He was terrible. E didn't guard well.
I went to game Jokis, they made fun of him.
They posted up Christian Braun and Jochis were throwing passes
from and I'm being literal here beyond half court to
(25:23):
a posting up Christian Braun and Haliburton actually addressed I
think it was a game or two later, how bad
he's been. He had zero toughness. He had kind of
lived off of He had a good year the year before,
good ending, maybe the Olympic team all that, and he
kind of lived off that and he straightened himself out
and even the announcers. Mark Boyle is a good friend.
(25:45):
He comes on my show and he's like, look, Haliburton's
gonna either have to guard or this pacer team's not
going anywhere. And Haliburton has guarded. And this is what
I like about him, Doug. Now they're pressing. Now, they're deep.
Now they trust everybody. You know, they go from Ben
Shephard or you know, Jarence Walker to you know, be
topping off the bench, McConnell off. They got ten guys
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they'll play and they trust them. And you know this,
I mean, you coach, you play guys because you trust them.
You don't play guys because their mom or dad yells
in the stands or you know whatever, you play. And
Rick Carlisle, this team has developed into a team that
if he wants to press for forty eight minutes you saw,
he can do that. If he doesn't want to, you know,
(26:29):
if he wants to go to more of a trapping
type style, which I think he's going to do against Brunson,
he can do that because he trusts. Even Halliburton late
in games, particularly in the Milwaukee series, late was really
good defensively, and that's something that one person in Indiana
would have told you going back to you know, the
start of the year. So it's fun to wat you
know this. I mean a team that goes through some
(26:50):
stuff all of a sudden, they don't quit, they don't sull,
they don't want, they get better. And those are teams
that do what the Pacers are doing, which is you know,
Eastern Conference finals again.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Steug Gottlieb show here on Fox, the Sports Trader, that's
the voice of Dan Dokatch. His show is called Don't
at Me. It's on OutKick. Like none of these guys,
many of these guys weren't alive when the Pacers played
the Knicks and Reggie Miller was what was Reggie Miller?
How much of the rivalry exists between the players, not
(27:25):
just the fans.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Um. You know, it's funny. I was remember Scott Pollard
played it hands you probably played against where maybe it's
not nice elder. Yeah, Scotty came on my show and
he's like Dan, players don't care he goes. Players don't
remember he goes. You don't think. And I always think
about it like this. I went to college in nineteen
eighty one eighty two. I didn't know what happened twenty
(27:50):
five years before, Like I didn't care. Now I know
the world's different. I know we've got uh, you know,
video and all that stuff. You don't care, you know,
And you know, here's what I hope tell me. Can
I ask you a question? Sure, I like Reggie Miller.
I think Reggie Miller is great. I think Reggie Miller
is really good as a commentator. But I got to
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tell you, I hope that they don't make this series
about Reggie Miller.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
They do, it's gonna be, it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Look, I hope that they make this series about Yeah,
you know, we got to know the history, okay, But
I hope they make this series about this team against
that team, because we got killers on the court in
Brunson and Halliburton. We got rivals that are tough, fan
bases that are insane. Right now, Yeah, I don't really
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care about what Reggie Miller did twenty five years ago.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe i'm you know, but that's how
I look at it.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean, thank goodness it's not NBC doing it, because
NBC would do all look backs. But I think that's
that's definitely right. Well, what's gonna happen? You mentioned you
mentioned trapping and getting the ball of Brunson's hands. It's
not what most people do in the NBA nowadays because
they believe, you know, you can't put two on the
ball because that leaves somebody open. Guys are just too good, uh,
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playing playing five, playing four on three? Are you of
that belief?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I think you got to do everything. I think you've
got to do a lot of stuff. Like if you
use someone to say to me, well they trap, my
answer would be yes, Well they keep going to the
satellite and answer be yet to get over the screen
and keep the same matchup, meaning they don't want Halliburn
on them stuff. There's a ball screen. They just make
sure that Nesbeth, you know, fights over under the screen.
(29:37):
I'd say, I think you got to do everything. I
think you got to have about eight to ten things
that you can do against him. But I do think
trapping is in play effect. I know it is. I
know you'll see that out of the paces they're they're
pretty good because of length and this is somewhere, this
is something where depth helps them. They bring in fresh
guys like you know, one of the things when we
(30:00):
go to games. We're fortunate. Kevin Pritchard hooks us up.
We sit behind the bench up a little bit. And
the Pacers, again I use the word trust, because they
trust they'll see a guy get tired. They really don't
care when it is. And if they're trapping and they
see somebody get tired, they'll just get that guy out
of get somebody else in so that they're still fresh.
And if they're not scrambling right, if they're not rotating
(30:22):
out of a trap and somebody is slow and he's tired,
they can tell them they get him out. They have
really good assistant coaches like this, Jenny but Check is
a really good assistant coach for the Pacers, and she's
always up doing that. So depth matters, not necessarily. And
you can hear this all the time. You're gonna hear
how depth is so important to wearing the Knicks down.
(30:44):
That's not it. They use their depth to enhance their team,
meaning they keep themselves fresh, they don't let themselves get tired.
But at the end of the game is going to
be Haliburton, is gonna be Haliburton if Hosco getting it done.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
If you're going to pick one game to get a
ticket or buy a ticket in this series? What one
is it?
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh? Man, I really wanted to go tomorrow, Doug. I
have this bucket list. My bucket list. My wife will
tell you a pretty good Army Nations game is that thing.
But I looked at the tickets that I got through
Kevin Pritchett. I say, man, I want to buy one
through your allotment. He goes Dan, here's the prices, and
the lowest price through the Pacers, not the Baser's box office.
(31:34):
Through the pacers A lotment was thirteen hundred bucks. And
I'm like, man, I like New York, I got good job.
But I'm not paying twenty seven hundred bucks. That's before
that's for two tickets. That's before all the fees. But
I would love to go to game one?
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Why why gay? Why Gay one? Not six or seven?
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, I'd go to six or seven. I mean it'd
be great.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
That's I asked that. This is the hard thing. Like,
like I have I have friends. I have good friends
in Oklahoma City. So They're like, hey, I just went
to Game seven with my son. So I'm like, all right,
Game five is the one. Because you're not promised seven,
like seven is not seven? Is it's a reach to know?
To go seven? Five is a very strong likelihood. So
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I'm like, all right, whatever it costs me, I'll do five.
And I just didn't know what which one you you know,
which one you'd want?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well, that's why Game one. I think there's the anticipation.
I think the energy is insane. Uh. Would I like
to go to Game seven? Yeah? But but Game one
to me in New York in the Garden, that rivalry,
I don't know. Man Like, I don't want to go
on a weekend because I want to play golf and
drink beer with my buddies on the weekend. But I
(32:48):
want to I want to go, you know, Game two,
because I think it's on Friday. That'd be good too.
But I want to go in New York. I want
to go. I don't care if it's you know what
is a game will be in India. I want to go.
But I want to go to a game in the garden.
I played in the garden, A coach in the garden,
A broadcasting the garden. I want to go to a game,
(33:09):
playoff game, big series, big rival in the garden. In
Game one look pretty good, to me.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
There you go, Dann dockets out at at at out
kick It's don't at me? Is the is the show?
W you the best man. Let's catch up soon.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Thanks my friend, See you buddy. Bye bye.
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Speaker 1 (33:45):
Seth Wicker Shams of the sportsriter. Acclaimed sports author. He's
author author of the new book American Kings, Biography of
the Quarterback, which is available now for pre order. The
book comes out in September. He joinses now on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, but not not
without mentioning that he just tweeted out some inside information
(34:06):
from the Tush Push vote earlier today. Right, set So,
I just saw a quote that you tweeted out. But
most of America is driving their car. They're at the cubicle.
They can't see it. What was the analogy that Jeffrey
Lorie used about the play?
Speaker 9 (34:23):
Hey guys, good to see, Good to talk to you again. Yeah,
some news coming at it today. You know, a very
heated tush push argument today in the league meetings earlier,
and I think, you know, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lourie made
an impassioned me speech. It lasted close to an hour.
He spent a lot of time, you know, defending the
play and his team, and you know, I think he
(34:44):
thought that he had seen reports that the Tust Push
was going to be banned, and so I think he
felt that he needed to, you know, kind of throw
a hail Mary, and he made an analogy that kind
of fell flat where you know, he he said that,
you know, it was like a wet dream for a
teenage boy quote to create a play that was so
(35:06):
successful that the only way for it to be stopped
was for it to be banned.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
And so.
Speaker 9 (35:12):
Yeah, so you know, Troy Vincent, NFL executive vice president,
later told him, we thought that was completely insensitive, given that,
you know, there's a lot of people in the room,
including women, and obviously you know, the tush Push ends
up not getting banned.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, it's really interesting. There was so much momentum for it.
It wasn't like he was even it was twenty two
to ten, but he's twenty four votes in order to
go through. Okay, seth Let's it's been I don't know
about a week week and a half since the excerpts
from your book were first released, and everyone talked obviously
about Caleb Williams. What's the fallout been in the league
(35:53):
from Caleb at the time saying I want to go
to the Vikings and now he's a member of the Bears.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
Well, one of the funny things about when you do
a story for some reason, the first question people ask
is about like fallout or reaction, And not to sound
all Larry David, but the reaction has been me answering
questions about people asking me what the reaction has.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know, but but you also but you also do
wear two hats, right, Like it's not like you write
the book and I'm just an author of that book
and nothing else. You also still report in the NFL,
So I know people are pulling you aside, going like
I can't or whatever they're saying.
Speaker 9 (36:30):
Yeah, well, I mean, like I think that like there
was a lot of sort of rumor and some reporting
at the time that you know that Kayleab had some
doubts about going to the Bears, and then his dad
definitely did. And so you know, what I tried to
do was add what I could on that reporting. And
you know, I think if dad, Carl wanted to give him,
(36:50):
want to find any way possible to do what Jack
and John Elway.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Had done and do what.
Speaker 9 (36:56):
Archie and he like Manning had done, and that was,
you know, give his son some agency over his future employer.
It's not an unreasonable thing. And the lead up to
the draft, you know, they Carl had told me, you know,
Chicago's where quarterbacks go to die, and he's not wrong.
And so now Caleb, though, was the one making the decisions.
(37:18):
And so Caleb met with the Bears at the combine.
I think it was a good meeting.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
It was fine.
Speaker 9 (37:29):
And then he also at the combine met with Kevin
O'Connell of the Minnesota Vikings. And O'Connell, of course, is
a four year starter at San Diego State, played quarterback
with Tom Brady a little bit in the NFL, one
of the been around some of the best coaches in
the NFL and is now one of them himself, and
they really got along well. And I think he got
Caleb energized.
Speaker 10 (37:49):
And thinking like, man, you know, could that.
Speaker 9 (37:51):
Be a possibility to play in Minnesota? And he told
his dad, I really I got to go to Minnesota.
But you know the problem is the draft is collectively bargained.
And even though Carl Williams had spent the better part
of a year trying to find any way around it,
talking to lawyers, Archie Manning, all kinds of people, there
really wasn't a way. And that left them with one option,
(38:14):
and that was to kind of nuke the city and
make there and the team and make everything untenable. And
you know, kind of what John and Jack Elway did
with the city of Baltimore in eighty three. And at
the end of the day, Caleb was not willing, was
not was not willing.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
And ready to do that.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
He didn't want to. He visited with the Bears again,
he enjoyed his time with them, and he decided he
wanted to make it work in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
This it wasn't a Caleb Williams book. I think that's
the most important thing. You do not understand, right. But
it again because the quotes and because he was in
a Mollon pick and because of Poline, Eli Manning. It's
become before people up a Caleb Williams book, Who's the
(39:03):
most Surprising Quarterback? In terms of the story, you feel
like people will learn about when they pick up the book.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Well, so, I mean, Kara zoom Back, I mean, what's
fascinated about me? About this this job? You know, it's
a very unique American job. It has very unique responsibilities.
It's unlike anything else in sports in almost every single way.
You know, a shortstop or a center fielder or a
point guard does not wear all of the hats and
quarterback wears from being the spokesperson of a multi billion
dollar organization to Matt may Idle to situational asshole, like
(39:39):
you know, there's all kinds of things, and you know,
I wanted to try to show what it takes to
do this and what kind of people are drawn to it.
It's again, it's just different, and so it's not a
history of the quarterback. But I did figure out and
try to look at, like, you know, how did this
become so celebrated in our in our culture. And I
(40:00):
think that, like, you know, some of the answers go
back to nineteen oh six, some of them go back
to the nineteen forties with Bob Waterfield and Jane Russell.
Bob Waterfield when he was at UCLA and he was
dating Jane Russell, who at the time was the world's
biggest pit up star, ran in higher, more lofty American
circles than any college quarterback ever, more than Tim Teegle,
(40:23):
more than Caleb Williams, you name it.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
It was.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
I mean, he was hanging out with Sinatra as a
college senior. But most of all, I wanted to like
show in the realist way what it was like to
do this, whether it was through the eyes of Lway
or the Manning family in Arch Manning's recruitment, or Caleb
Williams in his journey or Steve Young.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
You know.
Speaker 9 (40:46):
So anyway, there's a lot of those guys that come
into play, and there's other quarterbacks who kind of get
their moment on stage. But I think the thing that
surprised me the most is just how from the moment
that really like a man could throw spirals. This thing
was celebrated in America and in a very real way.
Even though quarterback is huge now, it's like time as
(41:06):
a flat circle.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
You also wrote the Brady Belichick book Seth Wicker SAMs
our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. If I were to tell you, and you
were writing that book that Bill Belichick would be a
college coach and be engaged to a twenty four year
old who people believe is the puppet master behind a
(41:33):
lot of his media and social media things, what would
you have said.
Speaker 9 (41:40):
I would have said, let's talk when you're sober.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (41:49):
Yeah, boy, you know, I think that like since Belichick,
you know, since he opened.
Speaker 9 (42:00):
The door for Tom Brady to leave New England and
Brady walked right out. You know it just it hasn't
been a great run for him. You know, they he
drafted Bertie's replacement in mac Jones, didn't really work out,
had some losing seasons.
Speaker 10 (42:12):
There, the end of New England, had.
Speaker 9 (42:15):
An awkward parting of ways with Bob Kraft, obviously, didn't
get hired again in the NFL and was out of
the game for the first time, out of the NFL
for the first time since you know, he was a
senior at Wesleyan and you know, venue of this drama.
I mean, I think that like the University of North
(42:37):
Carolina when they made Bill Belichick, the state's highest.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Paid public employee.
Speaker 9 (42:41):
They had to have been thinking that. At the minimum,
what we are getting is a low drama, buttoned up
football operation. And since Belichick has been there so far,
we're not talking about any of the players. We're not
talking about how he's going to scheme up defenses, the
slapper around Dabos Swiney's offense. What we're talking about with
(43:04):
Bill is all of these you know, side issues, and
a lot of that falls at his feed.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Seth. We're going to have you back when the book
is out. Remember this, this book, which you can pre
order right now, is called American Kings, a biography of
the quarterback, and yes, to Kayleb Williams part is part
of it, but so to his arch Manning. So too
is many of the other young quarterbacks. It'll come out
in September. Seth, great stuff. Love having you on. We'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 9 (43:34):
Great talking to you.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Man.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Likewise, let me get to Dan Bayer. Get a quick
breaking news update here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
Breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (43:45):
Oklahoma City thunder guard Shay Giljess Alexander is the NBA's
MVP for the twenty twenty four to twenty five season.
That's according to our report from ESPN.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Ah. Yes, And when he goes up to grab the MVP,
if anybody gets in his way at all, we know
it's going to be an animal. Oh what, that's the
third Oklahoma City Thunder player to get the MVP.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Third player to get the MVP?
Speaker 6 (44:14):
Durant, Wes Westbrook and SGA.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. I heard stephen A say that
Sam Presti was a failure because they haven't won a
championship despite all the players. It's I mean, I greatly
disagree with it, but it actually is a discussion. It's like, okay,
it is a discussion.
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