June 21, 2025 • 54 mins
On this edition of the Best Of The Week Of The Doug Gottlieb Show: Doug talks about the Pacers winning game six of the NBA Finals in convincing fashion to force a game seven.
On this installment of The Midway, Doug and the crew go over how actions speak louder than words when it comes to teammates and how they respond when in heated moments.
Doug weighs in on Shedeur Sanders getting ticketed for driving over 100 mph. Doug welcomes three-time World Series Champion Curt Schilling onto the show to talk about modern-day pitching, running a baseball team and other major headlines.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:21):
to the longest running afternoon radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And we're old enough to remember.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Back in two ty sixteen when it was last game
Chevin in the NBA Finals. I remember it like it
was yesterday. Lebron James was magnificent. Show too. Is Kyrie
Irvy welcome in?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I think there's I you know, like I have friends
who are like, hey, find the dub of the day.
You know, you have a bad day, find the win
of the day. I think my win of the sports calendar,
because really, what happens after Sunday, that's the flipping of
the sports calendar, right, NBA Draft is next Tuesday, Cooper Flag,
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couple others, but not really a huge but after that
we kind of flipped the sports calendar.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Some people say it's when you get to Baseball All
Star break right then that's why we have SP's because
it used to be the dead day. But it feels
like that's the And my biggest win is also probably
jay Stu's biggest win, right, jay Stu has us all
kind of an agreement that, you know, the NFL. I
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don't know if it's the level of Zuopa the U
two album that was a wall.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wall, but.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
His win is getting us more over to the side of,
you know, quality of play in the NFL not great,
and my win is the opposite for basketball, which which
is despite the fact the ratings will be down, it's
been a fun series to watch and it's always interesting
on when now this is the influx of politics and
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the political siding and that you can't be in the
middle or you can't agree with the other side on anything,
because you'll have people that I'm not watching, they don't
play hard, the playoffs last too long. There's just isoball,
there's no defense. There's this is that like you pick
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apart every little thing, and then you actually watch this
series and both teams play fast. Indiana better at playing
fast last night. You have guys that come off the
bench and some of their stars that play incredibly hard.
The level of skill is tremendous. And yeah, there are
some form born players like Shay Gildess Alexander just to
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name one, but there are also some stars like Darres
Halbert who are born in the States.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And so if your argument was.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Like, ah, foreign players like you can come up with
anything you don't like about something, and usually it's kind
of stacked behind the obvious thing, which is some of
the players were politically active or have been politically active
during these very strange political times. But my win of
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the year is getting Jay stew to watch and go,
you know, kind of good hoop. Speaking of which I
thought Tyrese Halburton was outstanding. He was aggressive, he made
big shots. Here's what Alberton said about playing with a
bad calf.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
It's the finals. I, you know, all of us got
to get everything we have. You know, do you have
everything I have for this group in this locker room.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
So I'm just trying to come out here by the
best of my ability. My guys have had my back
all year and especially tonight, and that means.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
The world to me. It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I got a couple, got a couple of days now
to take care of it, get it right.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And be ready.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
You know, we got one game, you know, all cards
on the table.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He also did you hear the line? And I thought
it was almost speaking directly to either my daughter Harper
or to Jay Stuh that when he's at home, it's
before he throws on love love actually I'm not not love. Actually,
before he throws on Love Island, he's got to throw
some ice on the CAFs.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Did you hear that one? Jay Stu? On television?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I saw a reference to Love Island. Yeah, so that's
that's what he was talking about. What he watches it
all the time, and he was he was nursing his
calf while he watched it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes, or you know, I'm in him and his girlfriend
are you know they watched It's it's a like guilty
pleasure watch.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So that what that what it is?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Yeah, that one's off my radar. I've been it's actually
actually been recommended to me that I watch it. But
I'm just I'm so dedicated to Bachelor and Bachelor in
Paradise first week of July starts up.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
For those wondering, ooh.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Ooh, that is an absolute poop show usually, right, I mean, really, it.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Might be the best of the franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You know, it's amazing, Yeah, because it is.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is an abject disaster, but it's it doesn't it's not.
It's one of those no one even by Bachelor standards.
Everyone knows it's it's going to be a disaster, right everyone, everyone, everyone,
everyone knows. And because of it, you know, because of it,
(05:30):
you can't take it seriously. You don't have to take
it seriously. It's a very light watch. I would say
Love Island a similar type of watch for you. I
think different producers. Obviously, you have to find the different people.
Whereas the thing that you find with The Bachelor in
Paradise is you know these people from your years following
and podcasting about The Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And let's not get sidetracked.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The point is okay that I mean, I don't know
how you can't love Halliburton, right, And I almost like
him more because he was so bad in Game five
and he's been so good at other times, the game
winner in game game one, the performance last night, a
couple of fast breaks, off steals and passes.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That he made were outstanding.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's almost like if you hated the invincibility of Lebron
and some of these other guys, right because Lebron at
the end of the day. I mean, you go back
to some of the NBA finals, you know, subsequent years
where you know they lost to Kevin Durant and the
Golden State Warriors, like Lebron would put up gargantuan numbers,
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and so even though I don't think Lebron played great
in the fourth quarter of those games, it was really
hard to argue with those numbers. So it seemed like,
you know, he's just he's that immovable object and irresistible force. Anyway,
point being, Halliburton seems very human, which is again all
new to us that we don't usually have this, Like
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Levery Bird didn't have games where he couldn't make a
bucket in the NBA finals. Not that I'm comparing, I
kind of did compare Tyres Albert and to Larry Bird.
Here's his head coach on Actually, let's go to Mark
dagnall mcdarg knows, the head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder,
his team who usually turns others over turn the ball
over a ton last night, here's the coach on his team.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It was hard tonight.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
You know, Indiana was great and we were not. So
we have the same opportunity Indiana does on Sunday, scorell
by zero zero when the ball goes up in the air.
It's a privilege to play in Game sevens. It's a
privilege to play in the finals. As disappointing as tonight was,
we're grateful for the opportunity and we put in a
lot of work this season to be able to play
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that game at home, you know, which is exciting to
be able to do it in front of our fans. So,
you know, obviously disappointed tonight, but we'll regroup, get back
to zero, learn from it with clear eyes like we
always do, get ourselves as ready as we can be
to play Game seven on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Stut Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Trader. That's Mark Dagnoll's the
head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. Here's the Star
Shay Gilders Alexander, the MVP of this year's NBA season,
talking about how Game seven against the Nuggets Humble Bragg
was there, uh and that blowout went over the Nuggets
prepares them for Game seven Sunday night fee in.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
The back of our minds for sure. Now, we didn't
play like it at all, and that's why the night
went the way it did. We got exactly what we deserved,
what we earned, and we have to own that. The way,
like the way we felt in that series was it's
a three to three series zero zero. You have one
game to advance and the better team will win. And
(08:35):
I think it's the exact same thing because you try
to learn from and you try to put it all
together for one night and see where it takes you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Stut Gottlieb Show, Fox Portray. That's Shake Gildas Alexander. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Here's my honest thought, buyer, this is This is as
honest as I can be. You ever have somebody Dan
who says I'm a huge sports fan. Oh you're Fox
Sports Trade listen all the time?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What do you do there?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Like I've been there for how many years? You've been
a Fox Sports radio dad? Yeah, I'll get you. I
remember when I was working at CBS doing the tournament. Oh,
huge college basketball fan?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It's what do you do? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, you'll have if if you tell people I'm a
big sports fan. Hey, are you watching game?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Seven. Nah. Now a huge sports fan, right, I mean,
isn't that? Are we okay?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I yes, I'm okay shaming people who claim to be
sports fans. And you have two teams they don't carry
the If you don't like the ego of the Lebron,
the ego of the KD the iso of old school basketball,
you're like, you know, I like, I like tame ball better.
(09:53):
I just they don't play d like. If you don't
like all this, like, just watch the series. But regardless
of which, it's one game and decides who's a champion.
The crowds have been incredible in the crowd of Oklahoma City.
You know, it's loud city, It's it's a remarkable watch.
You don't have to know anything about anything. It's Game
seven NBA Finals on a Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
What are you doing right?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You come in off the lake you're watching? I just
are you okay with me? I don't care if you
I mean, I don't I'm not going to change my opinion.
But would you share with me in the opinion that
it's a completely phony to say huge sports fan? You
don't watch Game seven?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 9 (10:34):
And I do think that there is there is a
parallel with people who don't want to do something. They
don't want to go to an event, and they'll have
four or five different excuses on why they don't want
to go to the event and why they can't make it,
and the reason is usually just one reason. And I
feel that's the same way with the NBA. Where my
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problem and because I've complained about the NBA as well,
Doug here if the reg season is that so much
is made about the playoffs in championships, So that's what
to me diminishes the regular season. And I feel I'd
be a you know, a hypocrite if I wasn't invested
into the playoffs some and invested into the NBA Finals
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and obviously invested into Game seven. Now, I mean I
have a dog in the fight on Sunday. However, I
feel like if you just weren't gonna watch, you weren't
gonna watch anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But and then you're just broadcasting and brag. But okay,
so people who don't, they'll always people. You know, I
like the NCAA tournament better won and done, well, that's
what you have. You literally have that it's one game.
You don't have to invest in the rest of it, right,
just one game, one game. I just think it exposes
people as as phonies. I just I hate the Like
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a huge sports fan, I'm about beg sports fan.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Ah?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And again, this series has given you a little bit
of everything.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Right, you had the unbelievable comeback and win in game one,
the uh snooze fest in game two, you had the
really surprising also comeback and win for Indiana. In game
three to come back and win for Oklahoma City, and
game four the once again dominance at home and you know,
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and Tyre's Halbert looked like dude cut off the leg
shut him down in game five, and then the Pacers know,
you know, it's the old eighty six Bears. Weren't beating
them the you know, the showtime Lakers weren't beaten, weren't
beating the Pacers last night.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They just weren't.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
They looked amazing, the defense, the transition, the athleticism, the
three point shooting.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It was really fun. It's giving you a little bit
of everything. And again, I'm not a Pacer fan. I
love the Thunder just because my time in Oklahoma, and
I do know people in both organizations. But that's not
it's about it's this is just about we talked about
earlier this earlier this week, and we talked about him
something last week, and now you're talking you don't use
a cliche, but there is a reason that that statements
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become cliche.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They are overused.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But oftentimes they're overused because there's a ton of truth
to them, and the ton of truth to the NBA
Finals in Game seven on a Sunday. And we're not
a rights holder, okay, And I'm gonna be completely honest
with you. We never talked about the Indiana Pacers on
this show. For I don't think outside of the Malice
(13:34):
at the Palace, I don't think I've ever had a
segment talking about the Indiana Pacers ever. I've been doing
this a long time. And it's not out of hatred
or I don't like you, like nothing, It's just what
was the point I do national Radio. We talked about
the biggest topics today. They were outside of the mouse
of the Palace. That was the last time they were
the topic of the day. And yet I'm just gonna
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tell you the cliche is true. It's kind of what
it's all about what it's all about. It's what all
of the pushback to Lebron's statements of you know, he's
not all about the rings, like, well, what do you
play for? This is what you play for, This is
what you dream of, this is what any kid who's
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ever dribbled a basketball and Dan I remember a couple
of years ago went to Mylin High School, which is
really famed Hickory, and.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Uh it was the yeah, who's your gym? Nightstown, Indiana?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Right, Okay, but it's the anyone who's ever picked up
a basketball and shot in their driveway or shot in
an empty gym has done either NCAA tournament, high school championship,
NBA Finals game in line game seven, ball goes in,
you're the greatest, ball goes ball goes around and out
and you're a complete dope. So yeah, I mean my
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win for the year is getting Jay Studigo. You know,
I don't want to say this out loud, but NBA
playoffs without Lebron and Steph and Katie it has been
kind of good to watch, right, just like me coming
around to his You know, the NFL can be a
(15:17):
bit of a rough watch. Now, Look, it's never going
to affect the NFL's ratings because people bet on it,
they're so invested in it, and I'm not chasing ratings.
I don't care if the NBA rates, I really don't.
Doesn't affect me or our business or anything. All I'm
telling you is, don't come at me with a huge
sports fan. Got love your takes, but you know I'm
a big sports bob. I'm not watching game seven. Why
don't say you're a big sports fan when you have
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something a sport that is absolutely one of the three
biggest in the United States, easily one of the two biggest.
One game, likable teams, likable Watch, Competitive Series one team,
by all accounts, didn't everybody ESPN.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Pick them to win?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like everybody picked them most of them in six? It
goes game seven, and it does feel like anybody's ball game.
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Speaker 10 (16:20):
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Speaker 8 (16:27):
Freeman shot ready forficial just waiting to receive that pass.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Just beautiful execution lectric.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Go well. You can hardly ask for a better performance.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
Particularly given the fact that if you didn't play well,
your season would have ended.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
MJB.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
This team this in case you didn't though, NBA Finals
Game seven and they still have an opportunity to win
a championship.
Speaker 11 (16:53):
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Speaker 12 (16:55):
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Speaker 2 (17:03):
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Speaker 2 (17:14):
Welcome in.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Thanks much for listening making us part of your day.
We truly appreciate it. Got some friars against the Dodgers.
A little discussion over that series upcoming. Daniel Jeremiah's going
to join us Move with the Sticks podcast, Plus he'll
talk about the Padres Dodgers because he's our resident Padres
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Homer Chase to our resident Dodgers Homer.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
More on that to come.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's a Wednesday. Wednesday's the middle of the week. It's
one o'clock on the West Coast, generally middle of your day.
It's kind of the middle of our show. If you
haven't listened to the show before. We have a one
hour podcast that we drop at the at the As
soon as this hour the radio show completes the self
soerre's three hours. So middle of the day, middle of
the show, middle of the week. We get to something
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called the Midway.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
He's not getting here.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
It's time for.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Midway can be kind of anything, sort of debatable topic,
interesting thing to expound upon, and it's kind of a
group of thing projects.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Jay s due where we land on.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
To thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
I wanted to discuss something or maybe do kind of
a retro retro look back to an hour ago. Dan
Byer made a point on this show, and it might
even it might even be more interesting than the topics
uh we discussed from the Midway Earlier. Before the show,
Dan made the point that it was interesting to see
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what Caitlin Clark's teammates reaction was to the confrontations last night.
So what we already covered the fact that the officials
are not doing a great job of protecting the star player.
We we covered the fact that that there are obviously
opponents with acts to grind with Caitlyn Clark. But what
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about our teammates and specifically a Leah Boston's role last night.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Down I always look to see how the teammates respond,
and last night was the second time in a row
that I can remember that there was an incident involving
Caitlyn Clark. And what Aleiah Boston does is she goes
and tries to almost calm down the other person, the
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other player on the team. So in the Angel Ree scenario,
when Caitlyn Clark had the heardtake foul and Angel Reese exploded,
Aliah Boston comes up and tries to hold Angel Reese back.
And then last night, when you see Maybury level Caitlin Clark,
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Aliah Boston comes in from behind, not to confront Maybury,
but almost to try to separate her. And so it's
it's very weird that there isn't a it's not a
running to Caitlin Clark to make sure that she's okay,
or running to hold her back, and it's not let's
get in the face of the person who just is
trying to attack my teammate or going after my teammate.
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There's none of that. It's a very weird thing. And
that's why I brought it up where the Sophie Cunningham
foul is look her own teammate has showed I've got
your back. Just like we saw last night with the
Dodgers and Padres right pitches, Otani gets plunked.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
There's a back and forth because teams. That's part of
the game.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
And I don't think all of Caitlyn Clark's teammates last year,
I'm not sure there are any. But this year, I
still am not sure that everybody is all in. I'll
tell you one thing, though, I know Sophie Cunningham is
because she's got her back, because she did what any
good teammate would do.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
So I was thinking, you know, the old close action
speak louder than words. What other examples can we think
of in the exact same game. I will say this
and you guys in the blanks. There was the actual
incident where the point guard that Sam Wester bring up
played at Ohio State poked Caitlin in the eye or something.
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Caitlyn pushes back to that teammate don't know her name,
and then her tear son j K Cy Sheldon j C.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Sheldon.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
J C.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Sheldon's teammate, to Dan's point, came in and shoved Kaitlyn
Clark to the ground, the sacred cow of the league
in defending her teammate pushed her to the ground. Again,
actions speak louder than words. You see Aleah Boston and
Caitlyn Clark talk about how great teammates they are to
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each other, you see them in commercials, you see them
on the sidelines of games. But is all of that
just for show? Because I think what it comes down
to is we all work with people we dislike, and
I think our actions in moments when we can or
would defend them would speak wider than actual words.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I gotta say, I think it depends. I gotta say
I think it's because I can also process in my
mind if you're a Leah Boston and I don't Again,
we don't know anything about relationships with the opposing team,
with the Connecticut side, but there are certain women I'm
sure that they're not mad at Caitlyn. It's not that
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they don't have her back, they're just tired of all.
Like I mean, I've gotten to the place like we're
really like this, we're still doing this. So I do
think there's a part of.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It like my nay has Bennett and I ain't in it.
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But generally, yeah, Sophie Cunningham, that's one she can be
in the you know, she can be in the pupp
tet with me as long as she wants, because she
clearly is on team Caitlyn. So it's not for everybody.
Everybody doesn't have to come to a defense. Everybody doesn't
have to be that teammate. I do like the more
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teammates than not. I agree with some of what Dan's saying,
but I also think we have to process that there's
likely some of those teammates you're just worn down by
the Are we still doing this?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
This is so dumb, so dumb, and.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Dan dockets just point from last hour.
Speaker 13 (23:20):
You know, he said something that I think a lot
of especially coming from being an Indianapolis or a guy
from Indiana. Caitlin's a bit of a flopper. And when
when Marina Maybrey hip checked her she kind of bounced
off her like rubber. So maybe Leah Boston was like,
oh boy, this again. But you know, I've Sophie cunning
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at all. Sophie Cunningham is a role player. She's a
bench player. She can assume the role of being a
bit of an enforcer. She can, she has fouls to give.
I think Boston can't be that enforcer role because she's
a prime part of the offense.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
She doesn't do anything. She doesn't but she doesn't even
come to Caitlyn Clark's Yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 13 (24:04):
I don't know the inner workings. All I can say
is from the outside everything, Doug, this is what went
on during the break is I have a question on
whether they're really friends. And we see this in postgame
press conferences Eleah Boston and Caitlyn Clark, and the reason is, listen,
there would be a natural rivalry rivalry just like there
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was with J. C. Sheldon Aleah Boston on South Carolina
when South Carolina beat Iowa for the National championship. Who's
celebrating with South Carolina Aliah Boston. She wasn't even on
that team. She was like, so she got celebrating the
year before. Yeah, correct by Caitlyn. So she's celebrating with
her team that she didn't even play for that year.
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I get she was a part of the program, but
now she comes in and she was the number one
overall pick before Caitlyn was there. She was supposed to
be the cats meow And now Caitlyn Clark comes in,
and there's absolutely so there's plenty of reason for jealousy.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
And to see a group of Fever players sitting courtside
in an NBA Finals game doesn't mean they're friends. It means, hey, guys,
I got you tickets. The team wants you there. I
think it'd be good, be good for the w Why
don't you all sit there and cheer on the Pacers.
And that doesn't mean like, hey, I got three tickets tonight, Ely,
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I'm not going to invite other teammates.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I want you to come. I don't think that we
can assume that.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
And I just seeing her, her reactions were lacked thereof
she didn't even do anything last night. She just kind
of stood there, and I felt like somebody who has
their back needs to at least take care of your
teammate or go and find somebody else to you know,
rough up with.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
But it has not happened, Dude. It sounds like what
Sophie Cunningham is to assume that. She sounds like she's
assumed that rule.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yes, and she hasn't even she's been on the team
for what two months this year?
Speaker 13 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe maybe the way Sophie Cunningham
defends Kaylen Clark on the court is emblematic of their
greater relationship and the way that Boston not what you
do as a teammates. Yeah, but I mean there's a
difference between teammates and then being friends. Like I think
that I'm just saying in general, nothing has led me
to believe that there's any kind of issue between Caitlin
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Clark and Leah Boston.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
They've spoke glowingly about each other. They have good chemistry.
Speaker 13 (26:15):
I think that if they're coworkers there, they very much
get along and they're very productive together. So I think
everything's good in that in that in that sense, but yeah,
I mean, you could You're free to question Aliah Boston's
you know, actions after that. Why aren't you coming to
our defense more? Why don't you get in the face
of Sheldon or Maybury. And why did I take a
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player who just joined the team two months ago to
be able to do this?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, no, I you know, again we don't know the wiring.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And also like here's another thing, Aliah Boston, she played
an unrival that three on three league that I mean
again only saw in some of the low lights of
some of the others of Angel recent others.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But the point is, I get this. This is the
biggest issue I believe with the women's game.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's there is so much jealousy, it's crazy, and it's
so bad that Dan, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You're left to wonder, like, what's the deal there?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It may be very little, It may be I just
I don't do that whatever, But it also could be
very likely that she don't really like her.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's like playing with her, it's fine, but they're not friends.
And oh yeah, by the way, like, as you point out,
she was a.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Great college player, she'd been a good player, and you know,
now you know, think about Kinglyn Clark. She chose not
to play in the three on three league, right, but
some if you're playing on it now, hey listen, if
you're really about helping me, if I'm Eliah buston, you're
really about helping me and helping all women's sports play
in the three on three league. It'll bring all that
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attention to three on three league and we'll all get
rich because of it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So there's lots of different things that you could pick apart.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
We don't know, but it is fair to at least
make that assumption based upon her lack of reaction.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Isn't that amazing that she chose not to do and rival?
Speaker 8 (28:04):
Right?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I think that was of all the things that Caitlin
Clark has done that kind of makes you smile and
you're proud when she just said, nah, I'm good. You
guys need me much more than I need you, and
you just left me off the Olympic team, so screw off.
There was a very forgettable reliever and this is just
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a tangible sports example. And I think the reason why
this topic interests me is because I've been in the
locker room, right, I've been on a team. If you
play team sports, you understand this that you play with
teammates that you don't necessarily like.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
So there was this very forgettable reliever for the Giants
named Hunter Strickland in a regular season game in twenty seventeen,
he decided to hit Bryce Harper on the back with
a fastball. His catcher Hall of Fame to be posey,
chose not to follow Bryce Harper out to the mound,
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who proceeded to throw punches at the reliever. To me,
that action spoke louder than any words you could ever
speak between those teammates, Right. That's that's that's that's a
teammate telling the world what he thinks of his teammate.
And that's why I think this is interesting, these little
enter dynamics between a Leah Boston and Caitlin Clark. And
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there's been other examples as well.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
You know, C. C.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
Sabathia is going to be a Hall of Famer this
summer when he gets enshrined. I think that's this summer.
I don't think it's already happened. The point being is
one of the things that we remember about C. C.
Sabbathia is the hat. I remember what he did with
the Brewers. He also had the opportunity to cash in
on a five hundred thousand dollars bonus to reach an
(29:51):
incentive in his contract, and instead threw at a hitter
and got ejected. Because both benches were warned and lost
five hundred thousand dollars on it, and because that's what
you do as a teammate. Last night, for a man,
as Dave Roberts was in the Padres Dodgers game and
about the warnings and whatnot, the one thing he did
(30:12):
can see was well, they plunked Otani in the leg.
That's it wasn't like they went for it wasn't a
cheap shot. He understood the game. We all understood the game.
Sophie Cunningham's follow last night happened with forty seven seconds
left when they're up by seventeen. How easy of it
would have been to just let her score run out
the clock, But no, I'm going to send a message.
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Sure there was another player on the fever and I've
watched the different angle and it's Sydney Colson, who's apparently
been in the league for a while.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And you know what she did.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
As soon as she saw Caitlyn Clark get hip checked,
she ran to the area and checked on Clark. She
didn't have to fight Maybray. She probably wouldn't have won
the fight, but at least she did something for a
teammate instead. Of why is Caitlin Clark sitting here laying
on the ground. She sprinted from the far corner and
actually got closer to Caitlin Clark than Leah Boston ever did.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 13 (31:06):
I just everybody does little different things to de escalate
a situation, right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, the other part is, and this is I always
felt like Shaq was like this too.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
One thing we have to realize is there are a
lot of athletes who have never been involved in a fight,
especially that of female athletes. Right, Like I always thought
Shaq was. You know, Shaq was all hup and buster.
He's so big you would push people, and I think,
who do you take a swing at Chris Dudley? Chris Dudley, Right,
But it wasn't like, you know, he'll take like a
(31:42):
Kung Fu stance or like a NATA Martial arts stance,
but he won't necessarily like most I'll just tell you
the rule. Most times, if you're going to fight, somebody,
fight the biggest dude on the court. Because in basketball,
those guys are like six eight to seventy tall. They've
never been in fights because nobody ever wants to mess
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with them, so they legitimately, you watch them fight.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
A lot of those guys don't know how to fight.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Whereas you're a little guy and you just kind of
tackle them and just start kind of doing the Tasmanian
devil whirling Derbis thing, whereas somebody five ten to six
five they've been in fights, don't want to mess with them.
Sure that again, that's just my personal respect. Oh ahead,
Then you take the women's game, and I don't know
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how many of these women never been in a fight.
All right, My guess is Kitlin Clark never been in
a fight until these you know, they kind of like
she's literally never been in a fist fight.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Just a guess. And Chase, du were you ever in
a fight when you were a kid?
Speaker 11 (32:45):
Never?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Never want really?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Just elementary school?
Speaker 6 (32:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Scuffle?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Where was it a after school?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
After school?
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
But where was the location? Elentary?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
She was on the way on the way home from walking.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Is that what they say they'd say on the way
home or would they Because at Jordan Elementary it was
at the ditch the ditch. I'll meet you at the dish,
the ditch, the ditch, three o'clock, three o'clock, let's go.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
But I would go sun hid.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Ditch.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
My fight I thought was over when I pinned him.
Because I was in wrestling, I didn't know like how
it would end. So I just took the kid in
the headlock and threw him to the ground and then went,
oh yeah, I had him pinned for three seconds. I
had thought that I had won the fight because I
had pinned him, but there was no referee there to
claim You claim you as a champion. Oh no, no,
(33:40):
did not happen, and instead you let up and the
guy who just start swinging again.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yea meat Elementary was behind the kindergarten building that was
four through six, but k through third it was Jordan Elementary.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Is the ditch. Just want to point that out that you.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
At the ditch thatch the second recess of the day.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We're going to settle the score.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Couldn't do second recess because he did second recess. Then
you had to leave campus campus during second recess.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
The ditch was slightly off campus.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, through through the gate on the way to
lbed Ina Library.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I just want to quick say one thing.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
I know we have to go, but I've watched this
video and Aliah Boston actually looks at Maybury walking away
and does nothing. She didn't do anything in all of this.
She honestly looked at her had an opportunity to do something,
and then just stood there. Sophie Cunningham, by the way,
she ran right to the fracas, right to it, right.
Speaker 13 (34:32):
To g into the fire. Yes, Dan's team, there's more
to this than there's more to this team.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
It's not that deep. That excuse me. It was Lexi Hall,
Lexi Hall, I'm starting.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I'm starting to get with Dan as well. I'd also
point out that she's Sophie Cunningham's not America, right she AUSI.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I think she's American.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
She's American. I don't know. She's becoming an American hero.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Lexi Holt was the one that also ran to so
and she's Sophie kind of Haymes from Missouri.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
From Missouri the Zurra, all right, becoming an American hero,
folk hero for multitude of reasons.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
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It's a Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So shad
Roth Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one.
And here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've
gotten pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday,
two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty
eight to fifty five, which.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
The police officer was in the right hand lane. I
came up into it went from sixty five to fifty
five and she was going like crazy slow, but got
off with the warning. And I guess my thing is
this in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a
great look. We've all had them, try to avoid multiple
(36:12):
speeding tickets, right, every speeding ticket is different. It's like
Peyton Mannle likes to say that every interception is a
story unto itself.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Right, you ever heard that Peyton has said that. But
what I find to be.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Fascinating fascinating is that Shador Sanders going over one hundred.
No one is going to argue the validity of that
ticket from this standpoint, right, like you're going and this
depends like if you're in southern California. I got pulled
(36:49):
over once on the fifty five freeway. The fifty five
freeway sort of by Sex, Orange County.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It starts and it used to be actually eroad, but
starts on Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into being
the fifty five Freeway and goes all the way up
to the ninety one, which is like that takes you
into the Inland Empire, and so on the north side
or west side of the fifty five Freeway is basically
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it goes like Central Orange County to North Orange County.
On the south side, it's the southern part of Central
Orange County in the South County right bisection. I gotta
be honest, I got pulled over. This is probably like
ten years ago, and the cop will be over and
he's like, do you know if estra're going? I was like,
I don't. I've never seen anybody get pulled over on
this road. And though eighty two sounds really fast, it's like,
(37:43):
what allowed you, outside of hitting your quota to single
me out, to point me out for going eighty two,
because everybody's going eighty two or eighty five? Right, But
if I say that with a very reasonable sense of honestly,
eighty five and below is whatever ninety is, your humming
(38:06):
is not arguing once you go over one hundred, you
have no defenders there just isn't there's no defenders over
hum now saying that, and of course Zach Eaedy got up.
Was it a one oh one or one hundred and
five in a fifty five?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Again, that's on some sort of highway. He's going way
too fast again, same thing. But Zach Edy, there's no
history of what people would.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Consider arrogance or entitlement.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And so I understand if you're sitting there going like, hey,
why would you say shador Sanders is entitled and acting
entitled by going one hundred miles an hour when you
wouldn't say that about Zach Edy. Well, that's because I
have two years of high major college football evidence where
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he's showing off his bling, he's trash talking and talking
down to people who come from lesser means or lesser
statue or what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families.
The way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready
for the NFL draft. Like if I said, like Shorro
Sanders went one hundred and one driving, and you know
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he's driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh
one Bentley Range whatever, I don't even need to look
at what card is and all of us have some
sort of pr reputation, right, Like, I'll give you an example.
Dan works a lot, he works on Sundays, he works
(39:43):
in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm
going and he said I'm sick, and then somebody's playing golf, like, hey,
i'saw Dan Meyer playing eighteen, He'd be like, yeah, that
makes sense, right because Dan has a reputation of being
a golf guy, loves golf. Right Shador Sanders getting pulled
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over for going one hundred and one, he has a
reputation surprises. Nobody feeds into the idea of entitlement fair unfair.
You have to know that's what human nature does. Doesn't
mean I cut him, but definitely points to that no
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matter what he wants to say in front of the camera,
and many things in front of the camera have not
been contrite. That feels like more of an act. This
feels more like who store is. It's the Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and who better to
catch up with during the dog days as we got
(40:47):
a bunch of baseball to discuss. Then three time World
Series champion, one of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in
our lifetime. Kurt Schilling and Kurt by the Way, has
a new podcast on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game
with Kurt Schilling. It drops Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday nights. Hey,
I want to ask you, Kurt real quick as we
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get started. Pitching durability, right, I think the biggest, biggest
frustration in any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys,
They're constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay,
or how young the arms are or old the arms are,
it feels like these guys are more fragile again. It
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feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay,
it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the
reality to pitching durability.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at
the base at the major league level, but it's broken
all the way down to the little league. There's been
a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane,
while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than
they ever have. And it's a direct result of this
massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in
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the game, and it's broken. It really is. I've done
a lot of work over the last couple of months
on my show going over the draft, this coming draft
and the way, and I'm using air quotes the experts
have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of
all them. And the analogy I use is, twenty years
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ago you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen
nineteen different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers. You see
at guys in the same exact way, and it's these
these velocity schools that you know, come here, pay this
large exorbitant money and we'll show you how to throw harder.
Not an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're
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seeing it at the Big league Global It's it's like
I said, it's sport wide. It's broken and needs a
complete reset. And you know, I don't see anybody doing that.
And I'll give you a quick one if if somebody's
actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young
man named Chase. All of their pitches for the Rockies.
If you go back on YouTube and look at Chase
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all their pitching at Georgia and junior college, and then
at Tennessee and then at Colorado in the big leagues,
he is after four years, he is sowing the ball
the same exact way he did in junior college, which
is an absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And
these guys are all ranked by how hard they throw
a period. And and that's just it, just it's broken.
(43:24):
It's horribly broken.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Tradio. That's the
voice of the Big Show. Kurt Shilling joining us on
the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me
your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just
seen him on the mound of Showy Tani as a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What's your eva?
Speaker 11 (43:46):
Uh, devastating. I mean, he's he's a he's a top
of rotation. Here's the thing that and the reason I
think it bothers the saber nutritions. They can't quantify certain things,
and when they can't quantify things, they discard them. Some
guys bodies are just not built to withstand the riggers
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of throwing the baseball, which is a very unnatural thing.
I put no farther than the Jacob de Gram who
is to me, had he stayed healthy, would have been
maybe the best pitcher in the history of the game.
He was Greg Maddox at ninety eight miles an hour
with wipe out off speed stuff. I don't know. And
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it gets into the science, but the bottom line is,
and there's a little medical lesson here. So you know,
our body's made up of collagen, which is connective tissue.
Some people's collagen is just stronger than others. And that's
why guys who break their ankle as opposed to another
guy on the same accident twist his ankle. Same thing
with pitching and no different. And you're watching guys who
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are max for every pitch and the body can't do that.
The body cannot do that. And those are the guys
who and that's what I said. You saw a couple
more guys go on the d L today. It's an
everyday thing now.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, it's basically like yeah, it's like, well they're throwing
ninety four mile an hour cutters, what like, there's a
reason that you can't throw it.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Can you do it? Yeah? But can your arms survive it?
Speaker 6 (45:19):
No?
Speaker 11 (45:20):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. First off, but people
identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're
talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches.
Nobody doesn't. It doesn't work that way. And most of
these guys are up there throwing three or four pitches
that move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to
all them. That's not how it works. Number one and
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number two. If you know the analogy I use. If
you take a very strong, thick piece of chain, right,
let's just say it has you have ten links in
a chain, and I swing it in a circle, and
I have momentum, right, the chain is fine, there's no
you know, I'm not out being stressed at any of
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the connections. If I take that same chain link and
I snap it like a whip, then you're stressing every
connection to the chain. Right. These guys are snapping the
whip every single pitch, and you can't do it. It's
just not possible.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Would you ever consider running a team?
Speaker 11 (46:20):
I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interested in
getting back in the game. Now. That's kind of a
recent thing, but I would love to walk in and
sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an
organization from scouting to drafting to developing Johnny Podrey to
who I think was the best pitching coach I ever
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ever was around. You used to have a saying, and
I believe, I believe will hardly you give me an arm,
I'll make you an All star because it's not hard
to teach. It just takes a different mindset. And I
don't see it. Uh, and it's it's gone. I mean,
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you have guys in the big leagues who are coaching
who've never pitched, who've never They the guys that I
don't know, is it drive line or these these velocity
clinics are getting hired by teams to talk to a pitcher.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
What is it?
Speaker 11 (47:15):
What are they going to tell me about pitching in
the seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs,
with the time run on third base? What are those
people going to give me? Throw harder? Because that's the answer,
And you know it's it's the two things directly correlate.
The more effort you put into a pitch, the less
command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well,
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there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's
an example. I used to talk about going to the well,
and it's going to the well for me with max effort. Right,
I could go to the well three times in a game.
After the third time, I was done. But if I
didn't have to go to the well till the fifth
or sixth or seventh innings, then I was okay. And
going to the well is like run around third and
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one out. I need a strikeout every pitch. It's just
going to be maxed effort. Right now. When I'm maxed effort,
I'm going from ninety three ninety four to ninety seven
ninety eight. These guys are maxed up. These guys are
going to the well every pitch number one and number two.
They're doing it in such a way that they go
from ninety six to ninety seven. That's not it, you know.
Greg Metick had a great line a while back. He said,
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when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving
ninety and the other's driving ninety one, can you tell
the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and one's
doing ninety five, you can. These guys are quote unquote
going to the well for and losing command, by the way,
and not getting any velocity every single pitch. It's just
not sustainable.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, yeah, but what would what would limit you from
getting back into the game would be that you've been
out of the game.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
So how would you go about it?
Speaker 11 (48:50):
I don't. I don't. Being out of the game, I
think has given me a bird's eye view of things,
and I think that there's a tunnel vision problem sometimes
where you know, you see baseball as athletics is a
game of copycat, right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god,
you guys are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think
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that there has to be an approach to pitching from
the outside looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock,
because it does need to be reset.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio, I did want your thoughts on
the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god,
and it's really interesting here. You have a young woman
in Caitlyn Clark who's legitimately legitimizing's but there have been
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other great players come to the WNBA. What there hasn't
been is the type of great players that brings mainstream media,
that brings moms and their daughters to the games. Families
to the games. That has a legitimate following for a
myriad of reasons. You know, four years at the same school,
success in college, being from the Midwest, girl next door,
(50:07):
et cetera. I just want your your thoughts. I'm not
going to change anyway. When you see Caitlin Clark and
what's going on in the WNBA, well, so, first.
Speaker 11 (50:15):
Of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to be had, right,
You've seen a ton of great NBA player WNBA players,
not many have been white, and that that is absolutely
part of this. I mean, Britney Griner basically said as much, right,
which is uncomfortable and stupid. It's so stupid. Nobody. I
(50:38):
can't think of any baseball player I was ever a
fan of where the color of their skin had anything
to do with my rooting for them. I can't think
of any athlete from you know people. I'll date myself,
but people will talk about the fact that, you know,
I talk about Barry Bonds and Mark maguire very differently,
and people say, well, one guy's black or one guy's white.
(50:59):
I said, no, one I was a good guy and
one guy wasn't. Period. I don't care about the other stuff,
and sports fans don't either. But the fact of the
matter is, I've never seen a sport try to commit
suicide so adamantly on a daily basis. And you know,
if you listen to the Fever coach the other night,
she said the thing that everybody's thinking, the rest suck.
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They have to get better because everybody else is getting
better and the eyes returning to the game. I was
thinking about this last night. Can you imagine what would
happen to the NBA she walked away today? Can you
fathom what would happen to that sport? And those women
are literally punching the gift horse in the mouth literally
(51:43):
and poking her in the eye. She is. There have
been superstars before, but there's never been I don't. I mean,
see Steph Curry with twenty feet more range. It's unbelievable
and it's fun to watch. And you know, God bless
Sophie Cunningham because she's now going to be one of
the most famous w NBA players that ever lived, and
(52:04):
rightly so. But I don't understand it right, think about this, Doug.
In our lives, we watched sports change the rules for players.
Michael Jordan, right Lebron James. The w n b A
is doing the exact opposite of all of those things.
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They're not trying to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL.
The w n b A is like saying, Okay, beat
the hell out of her, but we're going to call
all the other fouls and it makes.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
No sense she'll The only pushback I would have is
there is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan to it.
Remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on his
ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they end
up going on to three straight titles and then six.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Ultimately that happened.
Speaker 11 (52:52):
That happened under the purview of the rest who called
the fouls. I got no right because you and I
are You and I are watching the sport going okay,
she should be ejected, she should be tech, and none
of that's happening. In many cases. It's just it's almost like,
you know, there's a ton of people who say sports
are rigged, and you can point to a million things
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and say no, they're not. And then there are certain
things that happen, such as the team down thirteen kicking
a fifty yard field goal with two seconds left. There
are things that happen where you look at it and go,
wait a minute, maybe it is rigged, and this is
one of those things.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Kurt. We got to do this again, really really soon.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Check out check out Kurt podcast. It's called The Complete Game,
three days a week on YouTube. Download it, watch it.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, Kurt never shot
with his opinions. Kurt Shilling. Kurt, thanks so much for
joining us on Fox Sport Tradio. Take care big boy,
all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Kurt.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
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to the longest running afternoon radio show.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And we're old enough to remember.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Back in two ty sixteen when it was last game
Chevin in the NBA Finals. I remember it like it
was yesterday. Lebron James was magnificent. Show too. Is Kyrie
Irvy welcome in?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You know?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I think there's I you know, like I have friends
who are like, hey, find the dub of the day.
You know, you have a bad day, find the win
of the day. I think my win of the sports calendar,
because really, what happens after Sunday, that's the flipping of
the sports calendar, right, NBA Draft is next Tuesday, Cooper Flag,
(01:14):
couple others, but not really a huge but after that
we kind of flipped the sports calendar.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Some people say it's when you get to Baseball All
Star break right then that's why we have SP's because
it used to be the dead day. But it feels
like that's the And my biggest win is also probably
jay Stu's biggest win, right, jay Stu has us all
kind of an agreement that, you know, the NFL. I
(01:40):
don't know if it's the level of Zuopa the U
two album that was a wall.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wall, but.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
His win is getting us more over to the side of,
you know, quality of play in the NFL not great,
and my win is the opposite for basketball, which which
is despite the fact the ratings will be down, it's
been a fun series to watch and it's always interesting
on when now this is the influx of politics and
(02:11):
the political siding and that you can't be in the
middle or you can't agree with the other side on anything,
because you'll have people that I'm not watching, they don't
play hard, the playoffs last too long. There's just isoball,
there's no defense. There's this is that like you pick
(02:33):
apart every little thing, and then you actually watch this
series and both teams play fast. Indiana better at playing
fast last night. You have guys that come off the
bench and some of their stars that play incredibly hard.
The level of skill is tremendous. And yeah, there are
some form born players like Shay Gildess Alexander just to
(02:56):
name one, but there are also some stars like Darres
Halbert who are born in the States.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And so if your argument was.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Like, ah, foreign players like you can come up with
anything you don't like about something, and usually it's kind
of stacked behind the obvious thing, which is some of
the players were politically active or have been politically active
during these very strange political times. But my win of
(03:24):
the year is getting Jay stew to watch and go,
you know, kind of good hoop. Speaking of which I
thought Tyrese Halburton was outstanding. He was aggressive, he made
big shots. Here's what Alberton said about playing with a
bad calf.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
It's the finals. I, you know, all of us got
to get everything we have. You know, do you have
everything I have for this group in this locker room.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
So I'm just trying to come out here by the
best of my ability. My guys have had my back
all year and especially tonight, and that means.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
The world to me. It's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I got a couple, got a couple of days now
to take care of it, get it right.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And be ready.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
You know, we got one game, you know, all cards
on the table.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
He also did you hear the line? And I thought
it was almost speaking directly to either my daughter Harper
or to Jay Stuh that when he's at home, it's
before he throws on love love actually I'm not not love. Actually,
before he throws on Love Island, he's got to throw
some ice on the CAFs.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Did you hear that one? Jay Stu? On television?
Speaker 6 (04:26):
I saw a reference to Love Island. Yeah, so that's
that's what he was talking about. What he watches it
all the time, and he was he was nursing his
calf while he watched it.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes, or you know, I'm in him and his girlfriend
are you know they watched It's it's a like guilty
pleasure watch.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So that what that what it is?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
Yeah, that one's off my radar. I've been it's actually
actually been recommended to me that I watch it. But
I'm just I'm so dedicated to Bachelor and Bachelor in
Paradise first week of July starts up.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
For those wondering, ooh.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Ooh, that is an absolute poop show usually, right, I mean, really, it.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
Might be the best of the franchise.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
You know, it's amazing, Yeah, because it is.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
It is an abject disaster, but it's it doesn't it's not.
It's one of those no one even by Bachelor standards.
Everyone knows it's it's going to be a disaster, right everyone, everyone, everyone,
everyone knows. And because of it, you know, because of it,
(05:30):
you can't take it seriously. You don't have to take
it seriously. It's a very light watch. I would say
Love Island a similar type of watch for you. I
think different producers. Obviously, you have to find the different people.
Whereas the thing that you find with The Bachelor in
Paradise is you know these people from your years following
and podcasting about The Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And let's not get sidetracked.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The point is okay that I mean, I don't know
how you can't love Halliburton, right, And I almost like
him more because he was so bad in Game five
and he's been so good at other times, the game
winner in game game one, the performance last night, a
couple of fast breaks, off steals and passes.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That he made were outstanding.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's almost like if you hated the invincibility of Lebron
and some of these other guys, right because Lebron at
the end of the day. I mean, you go back
to some of the NBA finals, you know, subsequent years
where you know they lost to Kevin Durant and the
Golden State Warriors, like Lebron would put up gargantuan numbers,
(06:34):
and so even though I don't think Lebron played great
in the fourth quarter of those games, it was really
hard to argue with those numbers. So it seemed like,
you know, he's just he's that immovable object and irresistible force. Anyway,
point being, Halliburton seems very human, which is again all
new to us that we don't usually have this, Like
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Levery Bird didn't have games where he couldn't make a
bucket in the NBA finals. Not that I'm comparing, I
kind of did compare Tyres Albert and to Larry Bird.
Here's his head coach on Actually, let's go to Mark
dagnall mcdarg knows, the head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder,
his team who usually turns others over turn the ball
over a ton last night, here's the coach on his team.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
It was hard tonight.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
You know, Indiana was great and we were not. So
we have the same opportunity Indiana does on Sunday, scorell
by zero zero when the ball goes up in the air.
It's a privilege to play in Game sevens. It's a
privilege to play in the finals. As disappointing as tonight was,
we're grateful for the opportunity and we put in a
lot of work this season to be able to play
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that game at home, you know, which is exciting to
be able to do it in front of our fans. So,
you know, obviously disappointed tonight, but we'll regroup, get back
to zero, learn from it with clear eyes like we
always do, get ourselves as ready as we can be
to play Game seven on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Stut Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Trader. That's Mark Dagnoll's the
head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. Here's the Star
Shay Gilders Alexander, the MVP of this year's NBA season,
talking about how Game seven against the Nuggets Humble Bragg
was there, uh and that blowout went over the Nuggets
prepares them for Game seven Sunday night fee in.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
The back of our minds for sure. Now, we didn't
play like it at all, and that's why the night
went the way it did. We got exactly what we deserved,
what we earned, and we have to own that. The way,
like the way we felt in that series was it's
a three to three series zero zero. You have one
game to advance and the better team will win. And
(08:35):
I think it's the exact same thing because you try
to learn from and you try to put it all
together for one night and see where it takes you.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Stut Gottlieb Show, Fox Portray. That's Shake Gildas Alexander. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Here's my honest thought, buyer, this is This is as
honest as I can be. You ever have somebody Dan
who says I'm a huge sports fan. Oh you're Fox
Sports Trade listen all the time?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
What do you do there?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Like I've been there for how many years? You've been
a Fox Sports radio dad? Yeah, I'll get you. I
remember when I was working at CBS doing the tournament. Oh,
huge college basketball fan?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
It's what do you do? Right?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yes, you'll have if if you tell people I'm a
big sports fan. Hey, are you watching game?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Seven. Nah. Now a huge sports fan, right, I mean,
isn't that? Are we okay?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I yes, I'm okay shaming people who claim to be
sports fans. And you have two teams they don't carry
the If you don't like the ego of the Lebron,
the ego of the KD the iso of old school basketball,
you're like, you know, I like, I like tame ball better.
(09:53):
I just they don't play d like. If you don't
like all this, like, just watch the series. But regardless
of which, it's one game and decides who's a champion.
The crowds have been incredible in the crowd of Oklahoma City.
You know, it's loud city, It's it's a remarkable watch.
You don't have to know anything about anything. It's Game
seven NBA Finals on a Sunday night.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
What are you doing right?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You come in off the lake you're watching? I just
are you okay with me? I don't care if you
I mean, I don't I'm not going to change my opinion.
But would you share with me in the opinion that
it's a completely phony to say huge sports fan? You
don't watch Game seven?
Speaker 6 (10:31):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Well?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely?
Speaker 9 (10:34):
And I do think that there is there is a
parallel with people who don't want to do something. They
don't want to go to an event, and they'll have
four or five different excuses on why they don't want
to go to the event and why they can't make it,
and the reason is usually just one reason. And I
feel that's the same way with the NBA. Where my
(10:56):
problem and because I've complained about the NBA as well,
Doug here if the reg season is that so much
is made about the playoffs in championships, So that's what
to me diminishes the regular season. And I feel I'd
be a you know, a hypocrite if I wasn't invested
into the playoffs some and invested into the NBA Finals
(11:17):
and obviously invested into Game seven. Now, I mean I
have a dog in the fight on Sunday. However, I
feel like if you just weren't gonna watch, you weren't
gonna watch anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But and then you're just broadcasting and brag. But okay,
so people who don't, they'll always people. You know, I
like the NCAA tournament better won and done, well, that's
what you have. You literally have that it's one game.
You don't have to invest in the rest of it, right,
just one game, one game. I just think it exposes
people as as phonies. I just I hate the Like
(11:48):
a huge sports fan, I'm about beg sports fan.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
What do you do?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Ah?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And again, this series has given you a little bit
of everything.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Right, you had the unbelievable comeback and win in game one,
the uh snooze fest in game two, you had the
really surprising also comeback and win for Indiana. In game
three to come back and win for Oklahoma City, and
game four the once again dominance at home and you know,
(12:23):
and Tyre's Halbert looked like dude cut off the leg
shut him down in game five, and then the Pacers know,
you know, it's the old eighty six Bears. Weren't beating
them the you know, the showtime Lakers weren't beaten, weren't
beating the Pacers last night.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
They just weren't.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
They looked amazing, the defense, the transition, the athleticism, the
three point shooting.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It was, it was.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
It was really fun. It's giving you a little bit
of everything. And again, I'm not a Pacer fan. I
love the Thunder just because my time in Oklahoma, and
I do know people in both organizations. But that's not
it's about it's this is just about we talked about
earlier this earlier this week, and we talked about him
something last week, and now you're talking you don't use
a cliche, but there is a reason that that statements
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become cliche.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They are overused.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
But oftentimes they're overused because there's a ton of truth
to them, and the ton of truth to the NBA
Finals in Game seven on a Sunday. And we're not
a rights holder, okay, And I'm gonna be completely honest
with you. We never talked about the Indiana Pacers on
this show. For I don't think outside of the Malice
(13:34):
at the Palace, I don't think I've ever had a
segment talking about the Indiana Pacers ever. I've been doing
this a long time. And it's not out of hatred
or I don't like you, like nothing, It's just what
was the point I do national Radio. We talked about
the biggest topics today. They were outside of the mouse
of the Palace. That was the last time they were
the topic of the day. And yet I'm just gonna
(13:57):
tell you the cliche is true. It's kind of what
it's all about what it's all about. It's what all
of the pushback to Lebron's statements of you know, he's
not all about the rings, like, well, what do you
play for? This is what you play for, This is
what you dream of, this is what any kid who's
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ever dribbled a basketball and Dan I remember a couple
of years ago went to Mylin High School, which is
really famed Hickory, and.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Uh it was the yeah, who's your gym? Nightstown, Indiana?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Right, Okay, but it's the anyone who's ever picked up
a basketball and shot in their driveway or shot in
an empty gym has done either NCAA tournament, high school championship,
NBA Finals game in line game seven, ball goes in,
you're the greatest, ball goes ball goes around and out
and you're a complete dope. So yeah, I mean my
(14:56):
win for the year is getting Jay Studigo. You know,
I don't want to say this out loud, but NBA
playoffs without Lebron and Steph and Katie it has been
kind of good to watch, right, just like me coming
around to his You know, the NFL can be a
(15:17):
bit of a rough watch. Now, Look, it's never going
to affect the NFL's ratings because people bet on it,
they're so invested in it, and I'm not chasing ratings.
I don't care if the NBA rates, I really don't.
Doesn't affect me or our business or anything. All I'm
telling you is, don't come at me with a huge
sports fan. Got love your takes, but you know I'm
a big sports bob. I'm not watching game seven. Why
don't say you're a big sports fan when you have
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something a sport that is absolutely one of the three
biggest in the United States, easily one of the two biggest.
One game, likable teams, likable Watch, Competitive Series one team,
by all accounts, didn't everybody ESPN.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Pick them to win?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like everybody picked them most of them in six? It
goes game seven, and it does feel like anybody's ball game.
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Speaker 8 (16:27):
Freeman shot ready forficial just waiting to receive that pass.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Just beautiful execution lectric.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Go well. You can hardly ask for a better performance.
Speaker 10 (16:38):
Particularly given the fact that if you didn't play well,
your season would have ended.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
MJB.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
This team this in case you didn't though, NBA Finals
Game seven and they still have an opportunity to win
a championship.
Speaker 11 (16:53):
How cool is that?
Speaker 12 (16:55):
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Speaker 2 (17:03):
But you do gott leave show.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
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Speaker 2 (17:14):
Welcome in.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Thanks much for listening making us part of your day.
We truly appreciate it. Got some friars against the Dodgers.
A little discussion over that series upcoming. Daniel Jeremiah's going
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talk about the Padres Dodgers because he's our resident Padres
(17:34):
Homer Chase to our resident Dodgers Homer.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
More on that to come.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It's a Wednesday. Wednesday's the middle of the week. It's
one o'clock on the West Coast, generally middle of your day.
It's kind of the middle of our show. If you
haven't listened to the show before. We have a one
hour podcast that we drop at the at the As
soon as this hour the radio show completes the self
soerre's three hours. So middle of the day, middle of
the show, middle of the week. We get to something
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called the Midway.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
He's not getting here.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
It's time for.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Midway.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Midway can be kind of anything, sort of debatable topic,
interesting thing to expound upon, and it's kind of a
group of thing projects.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Jay s due where we land on.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
To thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
I wanted to discuss something or maybe do kind of
a retro retro look back to an hour ago. Dan
Byer made a point on this show, and it might
even it might even be more interesting than the topics
uh we discussed from the Midway Earlier. Before the show,
Dan made the point that it was interesting to see
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what Caitlin Clark's teammates reaction was to the confrontations last night.
So what we already covered the fact that the officials
are not doing a great job of protecting the star player.
We we covered the fact that that there are obviously
opponents with acts to grind with Caitlyn Clark. But what
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about our teammates and specifically a Leah Boston's role last night.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
Down I always look to see how the teammates respond,
and last night was the second time in a row
that I can remember that there was an incident involving
Caitlyn Clark. And what Aleiah Boston does is she goes
and tries to almost calm down the other person, the
(19:31):
other player on the team. So in the Angel Ree scenario,
when Caitlyn Clark had the heardtake foul and Angel Reese exploded,
Aliah Boston comes up and tries to hold Angel Reese back.
And then last night, when you see Maybury level Caitlin Clark,
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Aliah Boston comes in from behind, not to confront Maybury,
but almost to try to separate her. And so it's
it's very weird that there isn't a it's not a
running to Caitlin Clark to make sure that she's okay,
or running to hold her back, and it's not let's
get in the face of the person who just is
trying to attack my teammate or going after my teammate.
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There's none of that. It's a very weird thing. And
that's why I brought it up where the Sophie Cunningham
foul is look her own teammate has showed I've got
your back. Just like we saw last night with the
Dodgers and Padres right pitches, Otani gets plunked.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
There's a back and forth because teams. That's part of
the game.
Speaker 9 (20:34):
And I don't think all of Caitlyn Clark's teammates last year,
I'm not sure there are any. But this year, I
still am not sure that everybody is all in. I'll
tell you one thing, though, I know Sophie Cunningham is
because she's got her back, because she did what any
good teammate would do.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
So I was thinking, you know, the old close action
speak louder than words. What other examples can we think
of in the exact same game. I will say this
and you guys in the blanks. There was the actual
incident where the point guard that Sam Wester bring up
played at Ohio State poked Caitlin in the eye or something.
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Caitlyn pushes back to that teammate don't know her name,
and then her tear son j K Cy Sheldon j C.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
Sheldon.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
J C.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Sheldon's teammate, to Dan's point, came in and shoved Kaitlyn
Clark to the ground, the sacred cow of the league
in defending her teammate pushed her to the ground. Again,
actions speak louder than words. You see Aleah Boston and
Caitlyn Clark talk about how great teammates they are to
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each other, you see them in commercials, you see them
on the sidelines of games. But is all of that
just for show? Because I think what it comes down
to is we all work with people we dislike, and
I think our actions in moments when we can or
would defend them would speak wider than actual words.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I gotta say, I think it depends. I gotta say
I think it's because I can also process in my
mind if you're a Leah Boston and I don't Again,
we don't know anything about relationships with the opposing team,
with the Connecticut side, but there are certain women I'm
sure that they're not mad at Caitlyn. It's not that
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they don't have her back, they're just tired of all.
Like I mean, I've gotten to the place like we're
really like this, we're still doing this. So I do
think there's a part of.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
It like my nay has Bennett and I ain't in it.
I'm done.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
But generally, yeah, Sophie Cunningham, that's one she can be
in the you know, she can be in the pupp
tet with me as long as she wants, because she
clearly is on team Caitlyn. So it's not for everybody.
Everybody doesn't have to come to a defense. Everybody doesn't
have to be that teammate. I do like the more
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teammates than not. I agree with some of what Dan's saying,
but I also think we have to process that there's
likely some of those teammates you're just worn down by
the Are we still doing this?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
This is so dumb, so dumb, and.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Dan dockets just point from last hour.
Speaker 13 (23:20):
You know, he said something that I think a lot
of especially coming from being an Indianapolis or a guy
from Indiana. Caitlin's a bit of a flopper. And when
when Marina Maybrey hip checked her she kind of bounced
off her like rubber. So maybe Leah Boston was like,
oh boy, this again. But you know, I've Sophie cunning
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at all. Sophie Cunningham is a role player. She's a
bench player. She can assume the role of being a
bit of an enforcer. She can, she has fouls to give.
I think Boston can't be that enforcer role because she's
a prime part of the offense.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
She doesn't do anything. She doesn't but she doesn't even
come to Caitlyn Clark's Yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 13 (24:04):
I don't know the inner workings. All I can say
is from the outside everything, Doug, this is what went
on during the break is I have a question on
whether they're really friends. And we see this in postgame
press conferences Eleah Boston and Caitlyn Clark, and the reason is, listen,
there would be a natural rivalry rivalry just like there
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was with J. C. Sheldon Aleah Boston on South Carolina
when South Carolina beat Iowa for the National championship. Who's
celebrating with South Carolina Aliah Boston. She wasn't even on
that team. She was like, so she got celebrating the
year before. Yeah, correct by Caitlyn. So she's celebrating with
her team that she didn't even play for that year.
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I get she was a part of the program, but
now she comes in and she was the number one
overall pick before Caitlyn was there. She was supposed to
be the cats meow And now Caitlyn Clark comes in,
and there's absolutely so there's plenty of reason for jealousy.
Speaker 9 (25:00):
And to see a group of Fever players sitting courtside
in an NBA Finals game doesn't mean they're friends. It means, hey, guys,
I got you tickets. The team wants you there. I
think it'd be good, be good for the w Why
don't you all sit there and cheer on the Pacers.
And that doesn't mean like, hey, I got three tickets tonight, Ely,
(25:20):
I'm not going to invite other teammates.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
I want you to come. I don't think that we
can assume that.
Speaker 9 (25:25):
And I just seeing her, her reactions were lacked thereof
she didn't even do anything last night. She just kind
of stood there, and I felt like somebody who has
their back needs to at least take care of your
teammate or go and find somebody else to you know,
rough up with.
Speaker 13 (25:40):
But it has not happened, Dude. It sounds like what
Sophie Cunningham is to assume that. She sounds like she's
assumed that rule.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yes, and she hasn't even she's been on the team
for what two months this year?
Speaker 13 (25:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe maybe the way Sophie Cunningham
defends Kaylen Clark on the court is emblematic of their
greater relationship and the way that Boston not what you
do as a teammates. Yeah, but I mean there's a
difference between teammates and then being friends. Like I think
that I'm just saying in general, nothing has led me
to believe that there's any kind of issue between Caitlin
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Clark and Leah Boston.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
They've spoke glowingly about each other. They have good chemistry.
Speaker 13 (26:15):
I think that if they're coworkers there, they very much
get along and they're very productive together. So I think
everything's good in that in that in that sense, but yeah,
I mean, you could You're free to question Aliah Boston's
you know, actions after that. Why aren't you coming to
our defense more? Why don't you get in the face
of Sheldon or Maybury. And why did I take a
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player who just joined the team two months ago to
be able to do this?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, no, I you know, again we don't know the wiring.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And also like here's another thing, Aliah Boston, she played
an unrival that three on three league that I mean
again only saw in some of the low lights of
some of the others of Angel recent others.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
But the point is, I get this. This is the
biggest issue I believe with the women's game.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's there is so much jealousy, it's crazy, and it's
so bad that Dan, I'm with you.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
You're left to wonder, like, what's the deal there?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It may be very little, It may be I just
I don't do that whatever, But it also could be
very likely that she don't really like her.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
It's like playing with her, it's fine, but they're not friends.
And oh yeah, by the way, like, as you point out,
she was a.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Great college player, she'd been a good player, and you know,
now you know, think about Kinglyn Clark. She chose not
to play in the three on three league, right, but
some if you're playing on it now, hey listen, if
you're really about helping me, if I'm Eliah buston, you're
really about helping me and helping all women's sports play
in the three on three league. It'll bring all that
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attention to three on three league and we'll all get
rich because of it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So there's lots of different things that you could pick apart.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
We don't know, but it is fair to at least
make that assumption based upon her lack of reaction.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Isn't that amazing that she chose not to do and rival?
Speaker 8 (28:04):
Right?
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I think that was of all the things that Caitlin
Clark has done that kind of makes you smile and
you're proud when she just said, nah, I'm good. You
guys need me much more than I need you, and
you just left me off the Olympic team, so screw off.
There was a very forgettable reliever and this is just
(28:25):
a tangible sports example. And I think the reason why
this topic interests me is because I've been in the
locker room, right, I've been on a team. If you
play team sports, you understand this that you play with
teammates that you don't necessarily like.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (28:41):
So there was this very forgettable reliever for the Giants
named Hunter Strickland in a regular season game in twenty seventeen,
he decided to hit Bryce Harper on the back with
a fastball. His catcher Hall of Fame to be posey,
chose not to follow Bryce Harper out to the mound,
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who proceeded to throw punches at the reliever. To me,
that action spoke louder than any words you could ever
speak between those teammates, Right. That's that's that's that's a
teammate telling the world what he thinks of his teammate.
And that's why I think this is interesting, these little
enter dynamics between a Leah Boston and Caitlin Clark. And
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there's been other examples as well.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
You know, C. C.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
Sabathia is going to be a Hall of Famer this
summer when he gets enshrined. I think that's this summer.
I don't think it's already happened. The point being is
one of the things that we remember about C. C.
Sabbathia is the hat. I remember what he did with
the Brewers. He also had the opportunity to cash in
on a five hundred thousand dollars bonus to reach an
(29:51):
incentive in his contract, and instead threw at a hitter
and got ejected. Because both benches were warned and lost
five hundred thousand dollars on it, and because that's what
you do as a teammate. Last night, for a man,
as Dave Roberts was in the Padres Dodgers game and
about the warnings and whatnot, the one thing he did
(30:12):
can see was well, they plunked Otani in the leg.
That's it wasn't like they went for it wasn't a
cheap shot. He understood the game. We all understood the game.
Sophie Cunningham's follow last night happened with forty seven seconds
left when they're up by seventeen. How easy of it
would have been to just let her score run out
the clock, But no, I'm going to send a message.
(30:32):
Sure there was another player on the fever and I've
watched the different angle and it's Sydney Colson, who's apparently
been in the league for a while.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
And you know what she did.
Speaker 9 (30:43):
As soon as she saw Caitlyn Clark get hip checked,
she ran to the area and checked on Clark. She
didn't have to fight Maybray. She probably wouldn't have won
the fight, but at least she did something for a
teammate instead. Of why is Caitlin Clark sitting here laying
on the ground. She sprinted from the far corner and
actually got closer to Caitlin Clark than Leah Boston ever did.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That's a fair point.
Speaker 13 (31:06):
I just everybody does little different things to de escalate
a situation, right.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well, the other part is, and this is I always
felt like Shaq was like this too.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
One thing we have to realize is there are a
lot of athletes who have never been involved in a fight,
especially that of female athletes. Right, Like I always thought
Shaq was. You know, Shaq was all hup and buster.
He's so big you would push people, and I think,
who do you take a swing at Chris Dudley? Chris Dudley, Right,
But it wasn't like, you know, he'll take like a
(31:42):
Kung Fu stance or like a NATA Martial arts stance,
but he won't necessarily like most I'll just tell you
the rule. Most times, if you're going to fight, somebody,
fight the biggest dude on the court. Because in basketball,
those guys are like six eight to seventy tall. They've
never been in fights because nobody ever wants to mess
(32:03):
with them, so they legitimately, you watch them fight.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
A lot of those guys don't know how to fight.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Whereas you're a little guy and you just kind of
tackle them and just start kind of doing the Tasmanian
devil whirling Derbis thing, whereas somebody five ten to six
five they've been in fights, don't want to mess with them.
Sure that again, that's just my personal respect. Oh ahead,
Then you take the women's game, and I don't know
(32:29):
how many of these women never been in a fight.
All right, My guess is Kitlin Clark never been in
a fight until these you know, they kind of like
she's literally never been in a fist fight.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Just a guess. And Chase, du were you ever in
a fight when you were a kid?
Speaker 11 (32:45):
Never?
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Never want really?
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Dan?
Speaker 4 (32:50):
Just elementary school?
Speaker 6 (32:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Scuffle?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Where was it a after school?
Speaker 4 (32:56):
After school?
Speaker 6 (32:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:57):
But where was the location? Elentary?
Speaker 4 (32:59):
She was on the way on the way home from walking.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Is that what they say they'd say on the way
home or would they Because at Jordan Elementary it was
at the ditch the ditch. I'll meet you at the dish,
the ditch, the ditch, three o'clock, three o'clock, let's go.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
But I would go sun hid.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Ditch.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
My fight I thought was over when I pinned him.
Because I was in wrestling, I didn't know like how
it would end. So I just took the kid in
the headlock and threw him to the ground and then went,
oh yeah, I had him pinned for three seconds. I
had thought that I had won the fight because I
had pinned him, but there was no referee there to
claim You claim you as a champion. Oh no, no,
(33:40):
did not happen, and instead you let up and the
guy who just start swinging again.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yea meat Elementary was behind the kindergarten building that was
four through six, but k through third it was Jordan Elementary.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Is the ditch. Just want to point that out that you.
Speaker 13 (33:56):
At the ditch thatch the second recess of the day.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
We're going to settle the score.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Couldn't do second recess because he did second recess. Then
you had to leave campus campus during second recess.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
The ditch was slightly off campus.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, yeah, through through the gate on the way to
lbed Ina Library.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I just want to quick say one thing.
Speaker 9 (34:11):
I know we have to go, but I've watched this
video and Aliah Boston actually looks at Maybury walking away
and does nothing. She didn't do anything in all of this.
She honestly looked at her had an opportunity to do something,
and then just stood there. Sophie Cunningham, by the way,
she ran right to the fracas, right to it, right.
Speaker 13 (34:32):
To g into the fire. Yes, Dan's team, there's more
to this than there's more to this team.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
It's not that deep. That excuse me. It was Lexi Hall,
Lexi Hall, I'm starting.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I'm starting to get with Dan as well. I'd also
point out that she's Sophie Cunningham's not America, right she AUSI.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
I think she's American.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
She's American. I don't know. She's becoming an American hero.
Speaker 9 (35:00):
Lexi Holt was the one that also ran to so
and she's Sophie kind of Haymes from Missouri.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
From Missouri the Zurra, all right, becoming an American hero,
folk hero for multitude of reasons.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
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It's a Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So shad
Roth Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one.
And here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've
gotten pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday,
two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty
eight to fifty five, which.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
The police officer was in the right hand lane. I
came up into it went from sixty five to fifty
five and she was going like crazy slow, but got
off with the warning. And I guess my thing is
this in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a
great look. We've all had them, try to avoid multiple
(36:12):
speeding tickets, right, every speeding ticket is different. It's like
Peyton Mannle likes to say that every interception is a
story unto itself.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Right, you ever heard that Peyton has said that. But
what I find to be.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Fascinating fascinating is that Shador Sanders going over one hundred.
No one is going to argue the validity of that
ticket from this standpoint, right, like you're going and this
depends like if you're in southern California. I got pulled
(36:49):
over once on the fifty five freeway. The fifty five
freeway sort of by Sex, Orange County.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
It starts and it used to be actually eroad, but
starts on Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into being
the fifty five Freeway and goes all the way up
to the ninety one, which is like that takes you
into the Inland Empire, and so on the north side
or west side of the fifty five Freeway is basically
(37:20):
it goes like Central Orange County to North Orange County.
On the south side, it's the southern part of Central
Orange County in the South County right bisection. I gotta
be honest, I got pulled over. This is probably like
ten years ago, and the cop will be over and
he's like, do you know if estra're going? I was like,
I don't. I've never seen anybody get pulled over on
this road. And though eighty two sounds really fast, it's like,
(37:43):
what allowed you, outside of hitting your quota to single
me out, to point me out for going eighty two,
because everybody's going eighty two or eighty five? Right, But
if I say that with a very reasonable sense of honestly,
eighty five and below is whatever ninety is, your humming
(38:06):
is not arguing once you go over one hundred, you
have no defenders there just isn't there's no defenders over
hum now saying that, and of course Zach Eaedy got up.
Was it a one oh one or one hundred and
five in a fifty five?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Again, that's on some sort of highway. He's going way
too fast again, same thing. But Zach Edy, there's no
history of what people would.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Consider arrogance or entitlement.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And so I understand if you're sitting there going like, hey,
why would you say shador Sanders is entitled and acting
entitled by going one hundred miles an hour when you
wouldn't say that about Zach Edy. Well, that's because I
have two years of high major college football evidence where
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he's showing off his bling, he's trash talking and talking
down to people who come from lesser means or lesser
statue or what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families.
The way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready
for the NFL draft. Like if I said, like Shorro
Sanders went one hundred and one driving, and you know
(39:22):
he's driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh
one Bentley Range whatever, I don't even need to look
at what card is and all of us have some
sort of pr reputation, right, Like, I'll give you an example.
Dan works a lot, he works on Sundays, he works
(39:43):
in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm
going and he said I'm sick, and then somebody's playing golf, like, hey,
i'saw Dan Meyer playing eighteen, He'd be like, yeah, that
makes sense, right because Dan has a reputation of being
a golf guy, loves golf. Right Shador Sanders getting pulled
(40:03):
over for going one hundred and one, he has a
reputation surprises. Nobody feeds into the idea of entitlement fair unfair.
You have to know that's what human nature does. Doesn't
mean I cut him, but definitely points to that no
(40:24):
matter what he wants to say in front of the camera,
and many things in front of the camera have not
been contrite. That feels like more of an act. This
feels more like who store is. It's the Doug Gottlieb
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and who better to
catch up with during the dog days as we got
(40:47):
a bunch of baseball to discuss. Then three time World
Series champion, one of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in
our lifetime. Kurt Schilling and Kurt by the Way, has
a new podcast on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game
with Kurt Schilling. It drops Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday nights. Hey,
I want to ask you, Kurt real quick as we
(41:09):
get started. Pitching durability, right, I think the biggest, biggest
frustration in any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys,
They're constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay,
or how young the arms are or old the arms are,
it feels like these guys are more fragile again. It
(41:29):
feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay,
it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the
reality to pitching durability.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at
the base at the major league level, but it's broken
all the way down to the little league. There's been
a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane,
while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than
they ever have. And it's a direct result of this
massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in
(42:00):
the game, and it's broken. It really is. I've done
a lot of work over the last couple of months
on my show going over the draft, this coming draft
and the way, and I'm using air quotes the experts
have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of
all them. And the analogy I use is, twenty years
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ago you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen
nineteen different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers. You see
at guys in the same exact way, and it's these
these velocity schools that you know, come here, pay this
large exorbitant money and we'll show you how to throw harder.
Not an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're
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seeing it at the Big league Global It's it's like
I said, it's sport wide. It's broken and needs a
complete reset. And you know, I don't see anybody doing that.
And I'll give you a quick one if if somebody's
actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young
man named Chase. All of their pitches for the Rockies.
If you go back on YouTube and look at Chase
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all their pitching at Georgia and junior college, and then
at Tennessee and then at Colorado in the big leagues,
he is after four years, he is sowing the ball
the same exact way he did in junior college, which
is an absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And
these guys are all ranked by how hard they throw
a period. And and that's just it, just it's broken.
(43:24):
It's horribly broken.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Tradio. That's the
voice of the Big Show. Kurt Shilling joining us on
the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me
your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just
seen him on the mound of Showy Tani as a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
What's your eva?
Speaker 11 (43:46):
Uh, devastating. I mean, he's he's a he's a top
of rotation. Here's the thing that and the reason I
think it bothers the saber nutritions. They can't quantify certain things,
and when they can't quantify things, they discard them. Some
guys bodies are just not built to withstand the riggers
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of throwing the baseball, which is a very unnatural thing.
I put no farther than the Jacob de Gram who
is to me, had he stayed healthy, would have been
maybe the best pitcher in the history of the game.
He was Greg Maddox at ninety eight miles an hour
with wipe out off speed stuff. I don't know. And
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it gets into the science, but the bottom line is,
and there's a little medical lesson here. So you know,
our body's made up of collagen, which is connective tissue.
Some people's collagen is just stronger than others. And that's
why guys who break their ankle as opposed to another
guy on the same accident twist his ankle. Same thing
with pitching and no different. And you're watching guys who
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are max for every pitch and the body can't do that.
The body cannot do that. And those are the guys
who and that's what I said. You saw a couple
more guys go on the d L today. It's an
everyday thing now.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, it's basically like yeah, it's like, well they're throwing
ninety four mile an hour cutters, what like, there's a
reason that you can't throw it.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Can you do it? Yeah? But can your arms survive it?
Speaker 6 (45:19):
No?
Speaker 11 (45:20):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. First off, but people
identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're
talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches.
Nobody doesn't. It doesn't work that way. And most of
these guys are up there throwing three or four pitches
that move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to
all them. That's not how it works. Number one and
(45:40):
number two. If you know the analogy I use. If
you take a very strong, thick piece of chain, right,
let's just say it has you have ten links in
a chain, and I swing it in a circle, and
I have momentum, right, the chain is fine, there's no
you know, I'm not out being stressed at any of
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the connections. If I take that same chain link and
I snap it like a whip, then you're stressing every
connection to the chain. Right. These guys are snapping the
whip every single pitch, and you can't do it. It's
just not possible.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Would you ever consider running a team?
Speaker 11 (46:20):
I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interested in
getting back in the game. Now. That's kind of a
recent thing, but I would love to walk in and
sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an
organization from scouting to drafting to developing Johnny Podrey to
who I think was the best pitching coach I ever
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ever was around. You used to have a saying, and
I believe, I believe will hardly you give me an arm,
I'll make you an All star because it's not hard
to teach. It just takes a different mindset. And I
don't see it. Uh, and it's it's gone. I mean,
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you have guys in the big leagues who are coaching
who've never pitched, who've never They the guys that I
don't know, is it drive line or these these velocity
clinics are getting hired by teams to talk to a pitcher.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
What is it?
Speaker 11 (47:15):
What are they going to tell me about pitching in
the seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs,
with the time run on third base? What are those
people going to give me? Throw harder? Because that's the answer,
And you know it's it's the two things directly correlate.
The more effort you put into a pitch, the less
command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well,
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there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's
an example. I used to talk about going to the well,
and it's going to the well for me with max effort. Right,
I could go to the well three times in a game.
After the third time, I was done. But if I
didn't have to go to the well till the fifth
or sixth or seventh innings, then I was okay. And
going to the well is like run around third and
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one out. I need a strikeout every pitch. It's just
going to be maxed effort. Right now. When I'm maxed effort,
I'm going from ninety three ninety four to ninety seven
ninety eight. These guys are maxed up. These guys are
going to the well every pitch number one and number two.
They're doing it in such a way that they go
from ninety six to ninety seven. That's not it, you know.
Greg Metick had a great line a while back. He said,
(48:20):
when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving
ninety and the other's driving ninety one, can you tell
the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and one's
doing ninety five, you can. These guys are quote unquote
going to the well for and losing command, by the way,
and not getting any velocity every single pitch. It's just
not sustainable.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yeah, yeah, but what would what would limit you from
getting back into the game would be that you've been
out of the game.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
So how would you go about it?
Speaker 11 (48:50):
I don't. I don't. Being out of the game, I
think has given me a bird's eye view of things,
and I think that there's a tunnel vision problem sometimes
where you know, you see baseball as athletics is a
game of copycat, right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god,
you guys are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think
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that there has to be an approach to pitching from
the outside looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock,
because it does need to be reset.
Speaker 1 (49:24):
Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio, I did want your thoughts on
the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god,
and it's really interesting here. You have a young woman
in Caitlyn Clark who's legitimately legitimizing's but there have been
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other great players come to the WNBA. What there hasn't
been is the type of great players that brings mainstream media,
that brings moms and their daughters to the games. Families
to the games. That has a legitimate following for a
myriad of reasons. You know, four years at the same school,
success in college, being from the Midwest, girl next door,
(50:07):
et cetera. I just want your your thoughts. I'm not
going to change anyway. When you see Caitlin Clark and
what's going on in the WNBA, well, so, first.
Speaker 11 (50:15):
Of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to be had, right,
You've seen a ton of great NBA player WNBA players,
not many have been white, and that that is absolutely
part of this. I mean, Britney Griner basically said as much, right,
which is uncomfortable and stupid. It's so stupid. Nobody. I
(50:38):
can't think of any baseball player I was ever a
fan of where the color of their skin had anything
to do with my rooting for them. I can't think
of any athlete from you know people. I'll date myself,
but people will talk about the fact that, you know,
I talk about Barry Bonds and Mark maguire very differently,
and people say, well, one guy's black or one guy's white.
(50:59):
I said, no, one I was a good guy and
one guy wasn't. Period. I don't care about the other stuff,
and sports fans don't either. But the fact of the
matter is, I've never seen a sport try to commit
suicide so adamantly on a daily basis. And you know,
if you listen to the Fever coach the other night,
she said the thing that everybody's thinking, the rest suck.
(51:22):
They have to get better because everybody else is getting
better and the eyes returning to the game. I was
thinking about this last night. Can you imagine what would
happen to the NBA she walked away today? Can you
fathom what would happen to that sport? And those women
are literally punching the gift horse in the mouth literally
(51:43):
and poking her in the eye. She is. There have
been superstars before, but there's never been I don't. I mean,
see Steph Curry with twenty feet more range. It's unbelievable
and it's fun to watch. And you know, God bless
Sophie Cunningham because she's now going to be one of
the most famous w NBA players that ever lived, and
(52:04):
rightly so. But I don't understand it right, think about this, Doug.
In our lives, we watched sports change the rules for players.
Michael Jordan, right Lebron James. The w n b A
is doing the exact opposite of all of those things.
(52:25):
They're not trying to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL.
The w n b A is like saying, Okay, beat
the hell out of her, but we're going to call
all the other fouls and it makes.
Speaker 1 (52:35):
No sense she'll The only pushback I would have is
there is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan to it.
Remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on his
ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they end
up going on to three straight titles and then six.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Ultimately that happened.
Speaker 11 (52:52):
That happened under the purview of the rest who called
the fouls. I got no right because you and I
are You and I are watching the sport going okay,
she should be ejected, she should be tech, and none
of that's happening. In many cases. It's just it's almost like,
you know, there's a ton of people who say sports
are rigged, and you can point to a million things
(53:14):
and say no, they're not. And then there are certain
things that happen, such as the team down thirteen kicking
a fifty yard field goal with two seconds left. There
are things that happen where you look at it and go,
wait a minute, maybe it is rigged, and this is
one of those things.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
Kurt. We got to do this again, really really soon.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Check out check out Kurt podcast. It's called The Complete Game,
three days a week on YouTube. Download it, watch it.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, Kurt never shot
with his opinions. Kurt Shilling. Kurt, thanks so much for
joining us on Fox Sport Tradio. Take care big boy,
all right, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Kurt.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
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